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Feb. 2, 2026 - Knowledge Fight
02:44:46
#1113: Tucker, The Man And His Awful Show

Dan Friesen and Jordan Holmes dismantle Tucker Carlson’s "white replacement" conspiracy, exposing his reliance on outdated census data (e.g., 1950 trends) and distorted claims like Pelosi’s grandson anecdote to push racist narratives. Carlson frames ICE protests as attacks on white Christians, ignoring Minneapolis’ 60% white population and Rigney’s ties to Idaho’s theocratic regime. Their analysis reveals his rhetoric mirrors fringe extremism—like Pat Robertson’s demonization of LGBTQ+ people—while masking authoritarian desires under pseudo-historical and religious justifications, ultimately proving his arguments are both illogical and dangerous. [Automatically generated summary]

Participants
Main
d
dan friesen
01:11:34
j
jordan holmes
41:42
t
tucker carlson
dailycaller 37:13
Appearances
a
alex jones
infowars 00:45
j
joe rigney
04:06
n
nancy pelosi
rep/d 01:00
n
nick sortor
03:19
w
william kelly
01:07
Clips
d
don lemon
cnn 00:26
s
stacey abrams
d 00:23
Callers
andy in kansas
callers 00:01
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Speaker Time Text
Dan and Jordan's Sweat Session 00:03:33
alex jones
Dan and Jordan, I am sweating.
unidentified
Knowledgefight.com.
alex jones
It's time to pray.
unidentified
And I have great respect for knowledge fight.
Knowledge fight.
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys.
Shang me are the bad guys.
alex jones
Knowledge my fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
I need, I need money.
Riddler.
Andy and Pansy.
unidentified
Andy and Pandy.
Stop it.
alex jones
Andy and Panzer.
unidentified
Andy in Kansas.
Andy.
alex jones
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas, you're on the airplane.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a fish ten coloring with you today.
alex jones
I love your room.
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Knowledgefight.com.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
I'm Jordan.
We're a couple dudes.
Like to sit around, worship at the altar of Celine, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
unidentified
Jordan.
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
I have a quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today, buddy?
dan friesen
Well, it is February.
unidentified
It is.
dan friesen
So that means I can go first.
jordan holmes
Oh, we've got it.
We've abandoned the bits.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
Haribo, you fucked up.
dan friesen
Yep.
alex jones
Yep.
dan friesen
The Advent calendar thing was fun for one month and then laborious for a second.
jordan holmes
Man, the Haribo.
I wonder there's an alternate universe where a perfect Advent calendar kept us going into February.
But sooner or later.
dan friesen
And we could have maybe made it through the whole year.
jordan holmes
Could have.
needed that momentum and the second month just yeah away but sooner or later haribo was gonna come and he was gonna haribo was gonna end this this bit This bit was going to run into a Haribo wall.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's unfortunate.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
And we bounced off it.
So many giant gummy bears.
So my bright spot is, I was telling you before we started recording, but I watched the trilogy of SNL 90s movies.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
Night at the Rocks Bear and Superstar and Ladies Man.
And I don't, I think it's an indication of me not being as much of a hater as I used to be that I kind of enjoyed them.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I had a decent time with them.
jordan holmes
The edges softened.
Age is harsh.
Age is harsh on us all.
dan friesen
I would say of those three.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's a hard call.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Superstar might be the best of the three.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I think Molly is just a fucking, she is a talent.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
She was underappreciated, still is a talent.
don lemon
Yeah.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Underrated by history.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So what about you?
What's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
My bright spot is the end of the Australian Open.
The whole tournament was kind of boring.
Not a lot of great matches.
The last three matches, both semifinals and the final, were three of the best matches you'll see in your life.
Nice.
Alcaraz and Zverev played for five and a half hours.
nick sortor
Whoa.
jordan holmes
Algoraz barely pulled it out.
Sinner and Djokovic played for five hours.
dan friesen
That's too long.
jordan holmes
And Jokovich pulled it out.
So then Alcaraz and Djokovic played in the final for about four hours, and it was just absolutely incredible.
dan friesen
I guess tennis matches are usually fairly long.
That still seems that seems on the long end.
jordan holmes
A regular tour match is best of three sets.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Right?
jordan holmes
So you're rarely going to go longer than two hours.
A major is best of five.
So you're usually going to find yourself in the three-hour range.
Anything over five is a test of psychology, human endurance, life itself.
dan friesen
It's Iron Man stuff.
jordan holmes
It is.
Why We Left 00:15:28
jordan holmes
It is.
Yeah.
dan friesen
I actually, I was watching the Royal Rumble and they had some commercials for the Australian Open.
jordan holmes
Ooh, fun.
dan friesen
And they did not have names.
And I realized that as I was watching it, I was like, oh, that might be Alcaraz.
I have no idea what he looks like.
jordan holmes
Doesn't matter.
dan friesen
I have no idea.
I've heard you talk about these people constantly.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's a good point.
dan friesen
And I realized that I had no face to put with a name.
jordan holmes
I will promise you this.
If you see Alcaraz, you'll go, that's a world-class athlete.
That is also an incredible man.
If you see Yannick Sinner, his only true rival now, you'll go like, hmm, who escaped from a weird German town and is not wearing the right clothing.
Like, he's a strange-looking fella.
dan friesen
But no one stuck out to me as a German runaway in the commercial.
jordan holmes
He's an Italian from that section of Italy where you're like Swiss and German and all those, all that kind of just hangs out in the same spot.
dan friesen
Yeah, I thought they all looked fine, and they looked like they were having fun out there.
jordan holmes
They were.
They did.
They had a grand time.
dan friesen
So we're not going to have a great time today, Jordan.
jordan holmes
I believe that.
dan friesen
We're going to be going over a little episode.
And yeah, it's Tucker.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Great.
Tucker, I'm sure, is going to step up.
dan friesen
As we were preparing to record, and as I'm now introducing the episode, I don't really think this is great.
But I also think that I had to look at it.
Yeah.
And I was shocked.
So I want to present it.
All right.
Even though I think it sucks.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And I think I don't.
It's awful.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Here we go.
dan friesen
Apologies to you and the audience.
So we'll get down to that in a second here.
But first, let's take a little moment to say hello.
alex jones
That's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, congrats to Kay and Cara on our future gay Antifa baby and could be savior of humanity.
Thank you so much, Joe and Iowa Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, happy birthday, Laura.
And I'm doing research in my brain to find you a better present than this.
Thank you so much, Joan Iowa Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And to Nick King, who loves Marks and hates Alex Jones.
Fuck Alex Jones.
Thank you so much, Joan Howe Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And we got a technical credit in the mix, Jordan.
So thank you so much to my spouse, Locke.
Between the state of the world and the losses we're continuing to face, this is hands down the worst year of our lives, but I know we're going to make it through this year because we're together.
Love Honey Bunny.
Thank you so much, Joanna Technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars.
alex jones
Go honking money and tell her you're brilliant.
Someone, sodomite, sent me a bucket of poop.
Daddy Sharp.
Bomb, Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
He's a loser, little, little kitty baby.
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much.
dan friesen
Bad news, this episode is not going to make your year better.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you know, here's the problem.
When I read that, I got inspired.
I was like, yeah, you know what?
We are going to make it through this year.
And now, knowing that it's on this episode, I'm like, God damn it, guys.
I don't know if we're going to do this.
dan friesen
Let's try to hold on to a little bit of optimism.
Like, you know, just for the sake of it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
We can do it.
dan friesen
So I wanted to get a little bit of an outside perspective because we've seen Alex's response to the ICE killings in Minnesota.
And I wanted to see the temperature of other things.
Sure.
And so I watched a couple of other content creators.
I was thinking about covering Nick Fuentes' response to it.
But that guy is, he's a troll.
And it's just, I don't want to cover a whole episode of his.
jordan holmes
I think we really need to engage with him.
dan friesen
No, and a lot of his streams end up being like super chats that are people asking him questions and answering questions.
And so I don't know structurally.
And so I thought, hey, Tucker's the other guy.
And so I found his video that is talking about the ICE protests.
Sure.
And the title of the video is something to the effect of what the ICE protests are really about and what it means for white America.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So that tells you right off the bat.
jordan holmes
I will say this.
I know a man who is now sure that he was against the Iraq war.
And I imagine 20 years from now, there will be a man I know who is sure he was totally against ICE.
dan friesen
Oh my God.
It's going to be like, can you believe they sold that to ICE?
jordan holmes
I can't believe people liked ICE at all.
That's crazy.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So he'll be fanning himself and be scandalized.
But for now, here is his little video.
tucker carlson
Oh, boy.
Good evening.
The single biggest political issue divide in the United States right now is ICE.
Minneapolis is a disaster tonight.
There is widespread violence, mob violence.
There is political turmoil, chaos.
Really, we're going to be going live there in a moment.
Nick Shorter, who's been covering all this and shot some amazing video, will speak to one of the pastors of the church that was invaded by lunatics, by anti-ICE activists.
It really is the mobilizing force on the left, and it's the focus of much of the right.
dan friesen
One of the first things you can see from that clip is the fact that Tucker is using Nick Sortor as his man on the scene, just like Alex.
Nick is the right-wing media's chosen guy who's willing to go to protests to get footage for them to be scandalized by.
His role was mostly played by Andy No in the 2016 cycle, and the two of them have almost identical scams.
They find places where tensions are high and there's a strong protest movement building.
They identify the side that's being protested against and subtly or not so subtly show allegiance to that side.
Andy would pall around with the Patriot Prayer guys and the Proud Boys in Portland, and Nick has been very clear that he's friends with and dining with ICE agents.
They proceed to post manipulative and biased footage that plays into the narrative being pushed by the side they're friends with, while all the while they pretend that they're attending these protests in the capacity of being an unbiased journalist.
Local activists often are pretty able to see through this game, and they treat folks like Andy and Nick with great disdain, which they then use to portray themselves as targeted victims out there against this evil mob.
Nick is kind of living it up now, but he should be very aware of how expendable he is.
The best thing that could ever happen for the folks he supplies content for, like Alex or Tucker, is for him to die.
If he just gets beat up, they can make some great content out of that, but he's not worth more to them healthy and happy than he is dead or paralyzed or something.
Yeah.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
I wouldn't volunteer to go to the front line of like the Battle of the Bulge.
dan friesen
Especially to fuck with people.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like to be an antagonist.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
You're not even fighting for anything.
No.
dan friesen
You're not really getting scoops.
You're just kind of pissing people off.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
You're just a piece of shit professionally.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
dan friesen
For clips.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
The situation Tucker is talking about where a church was invaded happened at a place called Cities Church in St. Paul.
Anti-ice protesters disrupted a service because one of their pastors, David Easterwood, is also the head of an ice field office.
This one's a...
That would have been a spit take, I think, if you had water in your mouth.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
Listen, this is a great world.
I think we are killing it.
dan friesen
It's a mix.
I mean, who says you can't have two jobs?
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
So to me, this is a little bit messy, and initially, I didn't know what I thought about it.
I absolutely don't think that the protesters did anything wrong, and they obviously weren't trying to invade a church.
But I can also see how a church would be pissed off about one of their pastors' out-of-church political activities becoming a disruption for the church itself.
The reason that I think that this is probably a reasonable stance is that for years, churches have been expected to remain apolitical as part of maintaining their tax-exempt status.
If that demand is made of churches, then it kind of makes sense that if this pastor deserves to be protested, the congregation doesn't need to be brought into it.
I can see that argument.
Sure.
I think the protester's point is completely correct.
And I imagine that they were hoping to drive home the message that working for ICE is incompatible with Christian values, but I don't know if it works tactically and maybe even from like a concept standpoint.
Sure.
I'm not sure, especially when I first heard this news, I was like, it feels dicey.
jordan holmes
If you know your pastor is an ICE guy, you're already in.
There's no protest that's going to be like, what?
This guy's an asshole?
Yeah.
You're there.
dan friesen
Yeah, maybe.
I think there's a lot of people who are eager to point out, like, you know, for someone like coming from where I'm coming from, where I'm like, I don't know if you want to go invade a church or protest at a church.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
People will point out that ICE has no problem with detaining someone in a church.
And that's true.
I can't argue that point, but I think that forming moral justifications based on what a bunch of monsters would do is probably not going to solve anything.
And it's not worth it.
Anyway, just off the bat, I empathize with the idea of these churchgoers, like the possibility that they could feel like this protest was an inappropriate invasion of their space.
But I wholeheartedly denounce the way that a person like Tucker is going to spin this like it's an attack on Christendom and what have you.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, in essence, that is the battle being held right there, right?
Is in a world, Christianity can also have an ice sky.
And in another world, Christianity is entirely against that period.
So in a way, it is an attack on Christendom if your belief in Christendom is completely antithetical to anything anyone would ever consider close to the Christ life story.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Hold on to those thoughts because we'll revisit them as we go along.
jordan holmes
I imagine so.
I imagine so.
I bet his view of the Bible and mine are fairly different.
dan friesen
Yeah, there's some diversions.
So the protests, they're about a lot of things.
But mostly it's about how many white people are around.
jordan holmes
That sounds true.
tucker carlson
And it's about a lot of different things.
On the surface, it's about, of course, who has authority over the borders.
Does federal authority mean anything?
It's about law enforcement.
To what extent can you pursue criminals in your own country?
It's, of course, about immigration.
ICE standing for immigration and customs enforcement, of course.
But big picture, it's about something much bigger.
And that's why it's become such a passionate divide.
The battle over ICE is really a battle over demographic change in the United States.
Who gets to live here?
Which is always and everywhere the fundamental question in any country.
Who lives there?
Who are these people?
What are they like?
And in our country, that question has basically not been addressed out loud for the past 60 years, even as the population of the United States has changed dramatically.
And that's one of the reasons the battle over ICE and its jurisdiction and what to do with all the people living in the United States illegally has become so passionate and so fraught because no one is saying out loud what exactly this is about.
And so as a first step to making things better, it would help to see things clearly.
dan friesen
Tucker is so correct here, but he's also wrong and a liar.
That was almost like a perfect Tucker Carlson sentence.
There are two sides to this moral question with the ICE protests and what have you.
One of them is represented by people like Tucker, and the other is represented by the protesters in Minnesota.
The protesters there don't really care about the percentage of the U.S. population that's white.
It's a non-factor in their lives, even if they're people who care a lot about social justice and racial equality.
The relative number of people who look like them is not the highest order priority for them politically.
unidentified
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
Conversely, the folks like Tucker are super anxious about the percentage of white people there are around, and their political interest in ICE's actions is not about them caring about rule of law or jurisdictions.
It's based on their desire to carry out an ethnic cleansing in America.
They know what they want is evil, and they know that if they would just come out and say it, they would deserve whatever horrible things the public would do to them.
Because they have to hide, they need to insist that the other side is actively trying to carry out a white genocide.
If that's true, then their genocidal inclinations are totally understandable and really just defensive survival stuff.
This is the part where Tucker is wrong and he's a liar.
He's mischaracterizing the side he's against in order to justify the side he supports carrying out atrocities.
It's basically exactly what he did during the Iraq war, except instead of targeting Muslims in another country, it's U.S. residents.
Almost exactly what Alex warned about for his entire career.
The part of this that Tucker is totally right about is that we've gotten to this point because people won't say out loud what it is they want, particularly his side.
They've all wanted a white ethnostate this whole time, but it's been career suicide to say that.
Folks like Richard Spencer jumped the gun on staking the position of being an unrepentant white supremacist, and because of that bad timing, he lost out on a huge career and a ton of money.
Stefan Molyneux had a huge show in 2016.
He was a libertarian darling, but he went white supremacist just a little too early to cash in.
These are just recent examples, but modern history is full of people who went a little too racist too early and they lost their careers over it.
And everyone in Tucker's position knows that.
They were raised in that world and they learned to talk on camera in that environment.
The world has changed now.
There's no real consequence for just being racist.
The political correctness wall has broken down and there's no reason to not just say what you mean with your whole chest.
The support for what ICE is doing is based on a white nationalist fantasy that people like Tucker want to make real.
And Tucker is correctly pointing out that the reason we're in this situation is because none of his friends would speak honestly in the past.
The irony is that Tucker is right that we wouldn't be here if people like him had been honest about what they want for like the past 50 years, but that's because we would have crushed him by now if he had been honest.
We would not have put up with the steps that ended up getting us here.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yep.
Allowing them a brown bag without question led us to a sense of like false security that has gotten us here.
I mean, you know, the other side of that though is we're doing great, right?
The present's awesome.
Everybody's just really, now that the political correctness is, oh, God.
Replacement Theory Misinformation 00:16:14
unidentified
Oh, God.
It's, oh.
jordan holmes
It's.
Oh, it's so awful.
dan friesen
It's so fascinating to be in a situation where like that whole thing is gone.
Like there is no political correctness that you need to follow.
And they're still fucking complaining about it.
jordan holmes
I mean, and the weirdest part is of all the things that has that it was weaponized, using it against us was one of the most effective weapons anyone has ever used.
dan friesen
Quite.
jordan holmes
So to somehow still be bitching about it.
dan friesen
It's fascinating.
jordan holmes
It is very annoying.
dan friesen
Yep.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, look, man, some people have said some things about a great replacement.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Now, this is a replacement that's big.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And maybe it's a theory.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Or maybe not.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Let's ask AI.
tucker carlson
Okay.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
tucker carlson
Let's talk about what exactly is going on in the United States and why it's led to the battles in, say, Minneapolis.
What's happening in the United States is a wholesale change of who lives here.
Total demographic change.
Now, some have called this replacement.
And the question is: is it really replacement?
So we thought we would look it up.
If you were someone following along at home, trying to figure out, you know, what is everyone so mad about?
What is this great replacement theory?
You might go, as almost everybody does, first to Google and just type in great replacement theory, and AI would come up with the following result.
This is hot off Google AI.
Here's what it says if you look up great replacement theory on Google.
We're quoting.
The Great Replacement Theory is a debunked, meaning untrue, far-right, meaning Nazi, white nationalist, meaning racist, conspiracy claiming that white populations, particularly in Europe and the U.S., are being deliberately replaced by non-white immigrants and minorities, often orchestrated by replacist elites, leading to demographic shifts and cultural erosion, fueling extremist violence and anti-immigrant sentiment.
That's one sentence, by the way, a run-on sentence, but it is AI.
And it's quite a sentence.
dan friesen
Tucker did a video defending the great replacement shit before he got fired from Fox.
So this whole like, let's Google this thing to learn about it act is fucking stupid.
jordan holmes
Fuck off.
dan friesen
Seriously, he sounds like a dipshit kid who's doing a book report trying to pad their word count and sound smarter by let's quote Miriam Webster.
Fucking opening sentence ass.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
dan friesen
Everyone already knows that he believes this shit.
So it comes off a little dishonest for him to pretend to not have deep knowledge about white replacement theories.
The reason that Tucker is taking this tone is at least partially because he knows that he's trying to sell the audience Nazi shit and he's afraid to be blunt about it.
Because if he is, then people might start throwing bricks at him.
jordan holmes
I guess.
I mean, personally, I'm offended at that man trying to get mad at anything for a run-on sentence.
How fucking dare he?
How fucking dare he?
He is a less competent writer than a non-existent non-person Googling fucking bullshit.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And one of the reasons that that ended up being a run-on sentence is he kept adding clauses to it.
He kept adding his own like editorial little aside.
jordan holmes
Oh my God.
I want to fight everybody.
I want AI gone now.
I realized something.
I was just trying to buy a thing, right?
I was just trying to buy a thing.
And they wouldn't keep a goddamn chatbot away from me.
It was just like, no, fucking talk to this thing.
And I was like, no, it all makes sense.
It all makes sense.
Herbert was totally right.
I thought it was kind of funny, the idea of a butlerian jihad where you have to destroy all AI.
And now I am 100% at the forefront.
I will kill all AI.
dan friesen
Every one of them.
Yeah, look, I'm not on, I'm not sold, but I'll join you.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I mean, I don't like.
jordan holmes
I will leave this charge.
I just want it gone.
Leave me alone.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
I mean, the chatbots are annoying.
So, also, the most recent episode of the Zach Quinto woke house show had to do with AI psychosis.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
dan friesen
I hate all of you.
Very worried about it.
unidentified
All of you.
dan friesen
So, look, man, they just want you to be afraid of thinking that the great replacement theory is real.
So, AI is trying to scare you away from it.
jordan holmes
Right, that makes sense.
tucker carlson
And it tells you point blank, this is not true.
Anyone who believes in it is deranged and is stoking violence simply by believing in it.
And it goes on to explain how this works.
The theory, quote, posits that mass migration, declining white birth rates, and political agendas by elites are intentionally replacing white populations.
It has inspired numerous acts of mass murder, violence, with perpetrators often citing this theory.
Research shows that endorsers of the great replacement theory often hold anti-social traits, authoritarian views, and negative attitudes toward minorities and immigrants.
In other words, once again, believing that the population of this or any other country is being manipulated by people in power and the people who are born here are being replaced by people who weren't, believing that is not only wrong, it's misinformation.
It's been debunked.
It's also dangerous.
You can kill people by believing that.
Well, how does that work exactly?
dan friesen
Run on sentence, ass.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
So I want to draw a sharp focus on the way Tucker is using language.
He says that this AI-generated explanation is saying that you can kill people by believing the great replacement theory.
He's phrasing it this way because he's lazy, he hates his audience, and because he needs to make this idea sound stupid.
Obviously, it's weird to think that you holding a belief alone could hurt someone else, but no one would argue that holding a particular belief can like not motivate you in your actions.
It could include hurting someone.
jordan holmes
Come on.
dan friesen
One idea is silly and easy to mock.
So it's what Tucker pretends this is saying because he sucks.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He really fucking sucks.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I would be interested to know, like, here's one of my problems, right?
So this AI thing has this whole fucking baba ba semery bullshit, right?
But it doesn't touch on the truth of American history, which is that ultimately, when it comes down to it, the great replacement theory is about keeping labor costs out.
It's about terrorizing illegal immigrants so they never can feel comfortable enough to ask for more money.
It's about forcing people into situations where you can exploit them over and over and over again because the other option is violence.
dan friesen
That's at least a big part of it.
jordan holmes
It's America.
Labor costs are America.
dan friesen
So what I'm hearing is that you think we need a more insightful AI.
jordan holmes
That's what I'm hearing.
dan friesen
So we need to go to work on this.
jordan holmes
I guess so.
I guess so.
dan friesen
Well, I think you and Tucker might find some agreement then.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
dan friesen
He also has some criticisms of this AI.
I bet.
And one of them is that it's too emotional.
It sounds emotional.
unidentified
What?
tucker carlson
It's also dangerous.
You can kill people by believing that.
Well, how does that work exactly?
It doesn't sound like a cool, objective analysis of the theory of replacement.
It sounds instead like, well, a political screed, but maybe even more than that, it sounds like an article of religious faith.
You're not allowed to believe this.
Only bad people believe it.
It's apostasy.
It could lead to death believing that.
And that seemed a little emotional for us.
dan friesen
Man, the AI blurb, too emotional.
This is loser shit.
And yes, I'm sorry to break this to Tucker, but people who hold nonsensical racist beliefs also tend to have other negative traits.
It sucks for people like him, but that's kind of just how it goes.
The reason this happens is because this kind of racist shit never exists in a bubble.
No one's a perfectly well-adjusted, totally tolerant, happy-go-lucky person who also believes that a shadowy group who totally aren't the Jews is trying to replace white people.
Holding beliefs like that ends up penetrating the other areas of your life, and it will end up alienating the people around you, except the people who hold those same nonsensical beliefs.
The belief that white people are being replaced is based on a gigantic level of aggrievement, and that's something that ends up applying to everything in your life.
Every aspect of your life, there is a way that you can blame other people for the situation that you're in not being as good as it could be.
And the great replacement shit catches all of those feelings.
It will cover all your bases.
Tucker's trying to pretend that people are saying that you can't hold these beliefs, but no one's saying that.
We're just saying that the shield of political correctness is gone, and no one's going to pretend that you're not a racist if you believe explicitly racist shit.
Yeah, you threw away the paper bag, buddy.
jordan holmes
You chose this.
dan friesen
Yeah.
This is your life's work.
jordan holmes
And now, so here's another thing that AI can do.
Now AI can provide the bullshit fake answer that Tucker gets like he doesn't even have to look around the internet for some asshole to say something like this.
Now he can just query an AI and be like, oh, can you see what this asshole wrote?
It's an amalgamation of nothingness.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think that in the past, he just paid someone to do that.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And then now he pays someone to check the AI.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
dan friesen
So it really is the same thing.
jordan holmes
It is basically the same thing for him.
That's fair.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
It's just a robot is doing his interns work.
jordan holmes
No one is even real in here.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So look, I think that we need to figure out what's going on here with this replacement.
Sure.
And so the only thing we can do is look at the census.
Let's check out some numbers.
jordan holmes
What world does that?
Fine.
Fine.
You know what?
Let's look at the census.
That's great.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
That's great.
tucker carlson
And that seemed a little emotional for us.
So we decided instead to consult the science because obviously we believe the science.
And the science, as always, begins with numbers, things that are quantifiable, that are measurable.
And one of the ways we know the truth about who lives here is through the census taken every 10 years.
It's in the Constitution.
And that provides us not precise numbers, but a pretty accurate general picture most of the time and certainly over time of who lives here.
So let's start, because it's an easy and obvious place to start, the beginning of the post-war era, peak America, 1950, the first post-war census.
And I think everyone would agree, whether they're right or wrong.
jordan holmes
No, I won't.
I already don't agree with you.
I don't agree with you, you piece of shit.
tucker carlson
1950.
dan friesen
All right.
We need to play that back because this is a guy who believes in the science.
tucker carlson
You know, I think everyone would agree, whether they're right or wrong, that this is a period remembered as the best time in America, 1950.
dan friesen
He's saying that everyone would agree that the 1950s were the best time in American history, and that some of them might be wrong, and some might be right.
They might be wrong, but everyone would agree.
This show must be written by AI because it's a fucking dumb sentence coming out of his mouth.
Everyone does not agree that the 50s were the best time in America.
That's fucking dumb.
White supremacists, like, they were mad back then, too.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
I'm excited to hear about the census, though.
Like, what kind of insights are we going to find?
jordan holmes
They were mad during slavery that there wasn't enough slavery.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
They were mad that black people could move up 150 miles and not be slaves anymore.
Fucking crazy.
These people are angry.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's imagining some kind of like, oh, fantasy world of like regressive.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
He's like, no, no, no.
You would be so mad back then, too.
You'd be so mad.
Don't worry about it.
jordan holmes
You would be angrier that somebody was drinking out of a water fountain.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Which, at the very least, I wouldn't have had to hear about it because they didn't have enough radios back then or some bullshit for you.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
dan friesen
Your particular things that we were mad about would be a little different, but you'd be the same.
jordan holmes
But the same.
Yeah.
Identical in every way.
dan friesen
So look, the 50s, man, they ruled.
tucker carlson
That this is a period remembered as the best time in America, 1950.
The United States is an industrial power.
It's the leader of the West, if not really the world.
And America domestically is pretty harmonious, thriving, happy.
dan friesen
So the U.S. was an industrial power.
That's fair enough.
The domestic harmony part doesn't really fly, though.
Emmett Till was killed in 1955.
Prown versus the Board of Education was a case heard in 1954.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Rosa Parks was arrested in 1955.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
It's just stupid to say that there was domestic harmony in the 50s, but that's part of the racist fantasy that's trying to rewrite history.
The 50s were the last time that a white supremacist could reasonably think that their side was going to comfortably stay in power.
So it's remembered with this wistful fondness that Tucker is expressing.
They view the social developments of the 60s as an uprooting of the natural order of things because that was when people started fighting back in a meaningful and effective way.
And the 50s were the last time before that.
unidentified
Yep.
Yep.
jordan holmes
The beats got their ass beat.
And that was why they enjoyed it.
dan friesen
Most of the things that you would look back on as like disharmony are things that are being foist upon vulnerable groups in the 50s, whereas in the 60s, you start to see people making headway, pushing back.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the power of standardized history can never be, can never be underestimated because the amount of people who know what actually happened a short period before they were alive is so few.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's so few.
dan friesen
You know what?
It sucks, though, because I think we're learning that there's an equal downside to unstandardized history.
Sure, sure, sure.
jordan holmes
No, there's absolutely a like, well, you know, at least we all shared it.
Sure, it wasn't true, but at least we all had it.
Well, you know.
dan friesen
Yeah.
At least there were some things that were right.
You know, right, right, right.
You could dig deeper and find more.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Whereas now, start digging deeper on this, you're going to fucking get into race science real fast.
jordan holmes
All American history textbooks are about to become the same as like creation history evolution books.
dan friesen
No, it's going to be like the bell curve.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we're gone.
It is all pretend from here on out.
dan friesen
So we look at the census from 1950.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And we see that big cities were mostly white back then.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
tucker carlson
Let's take a look at who lived in America in 1950.
And let's do that by taking a closer look at the population of the top six cities, which at the time were, and this tells you a lot right here, redlined.
New York was number one.
Chicago was number two.
Philadelphia was number three.
Redline.
Los Angeles, number four.
jordan holmes
Very red line.
tucker carlson
Detroit, number five.
jordan holmes
Red line.
tucker carlson
Baltimore, number six.
jordan holmes
Crazy.
tucker carlson
Kind of hard to imagine, but in 1950, not that long ago, within living memory, those were the numbers.
So here's what they were.
The biggest city in the United States then and now is New York City.
New York City in 1950 was 90% white.
71 million New Yorkers out of 7.9 million were white.
Chicago in 1950 was 86% white.
Philadelphia, over 80%.
Los Angeles, 94% white.
94%.
That's almost an ethno state, actually, at that point.
Detroit, Detroit, Michigan, home of 4GM and Chrysler, 84% white.
Baltimore, steel and shipping capital of the mid-Atlantic, 76% white.
That was 1950.
You know people who were alive in 1950.
Maybe you were.
Here are the numbers today.
90% White: New York 1950 00:06:40
tucker carlson
Baltimore, 27% white.
Detroit, about 10% white, down from 84.
Los Angeles, again, 94%, about 37% white.
Now, Philadelphia, 36%.
Chicago, less than 30%.
And New York City, again, the biggest city in the country, is now around 30% white, down from 90% in 1950.
So you think to yourself, well, maybe these cities have just shrunk, and a lot of them have.
Baltimore, Detroit, Philadelphia, Chicago, all much smaller than they were.
What's interesting is that New York is bigger than it was, but a million people more live in New York than they did in 1950.
And yet the proportion of whites has declined, well, from 90% to 30, but so is the absolute number.
dan friesen
So there's a couple things to consider with the census that Tucker is talking about here.
The first is that if you go consult the forms that were used to collect the data, the race options that were available to choose from were white, Negro, American, Indian, Japanese, Chinese, and Filipino.
jordan holmes
We knew all five people back then.
dan friesen
These categories are obviously not precise.
And as it happens, 1950 was also the last census where the decision of what race someone was got taken by the census taker.
They made the decision.
Starting in 1960, people were allowed to self-determine their race.
But prior to that point, it was up to the person filling out the form.
So it's very possible that a lot of people who Tucker would not consider white were called white in the 1950 census.
jordan holmes
I very much suggest that to be the case.
dan friesen
And what I'm talking about is just for people who use the P1 form, which was used by enumerators when they were able to make contact with homeowners and actually interview them.
For many people, they didn't speak to census takers and they just filled out a P2 form, which only allowed two race options of white or Negro.
What is true is that the population of the United States was a higher percentage white in 1950, going by whatever definition of white we want to use.
But Tucker's playing games a bit and census data is exactly the right statistics to use for that.
This is like just right in his sweet spot for bullshit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, and the level of exploitative awareness is fucking ridiculous because, of course, even accounting for that, then you've got fucking the reason that those places were those places was because they kept people out.
And then whenever they couldn't keep people out anymore, because of people like Tucker, they were like, oh, black people are going to move here.
So they moved away.
They moved away from the cities.
dan friesen
Suburbs.
jordan holmes
Because of you.
If you want the cities to be more white, don't be you.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
dan friesen
It would help.
Yeah.
No, that's definitely true.
But I think there's even more just like fundamental problems.
He's saying he trusts the science.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think you're making a great argument, but that's not the science.
Or actually, it might be.
jordan holmes
But hold on.
That made me, you know, okay.
So we've accepted on Alex's world, there is no continuity, right?
But it is still instinctively ingrained within me anytime we go outside of Alex's world to be like, no, you can't say that because I was alive in the past.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And you are not allowed to even say like the word science.
You have to say the magic I believe in.
That's what Tucker gets to say.
Yeah.
He does not get to say science.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
We've all had to know who you are since like I was, I don't know, 17?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Probably like Tucker's been a public figure that whole time.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, come on.
jordan holmes
Climate change isn't real.
Fuck you.
This is bullshit.
dan friesen
Trust the science.
jordan holmes
Come on.
dan friesen
But that's just troll shit.
That's just baiting.
That's just trying to get a cheap pop out of the audience about how they don't like COVID vaccines.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
Trust the science.
dan friesen
So look, New York lost a fair amount of whites.
They're down.
jordan holmes
Tragedy.
dan friesen
Down like 4 million gross whites.
jordan holmes
So many whites.
tucker carlson
New York has lost about 4 million white people, even as it gained a million people in population.
What is that?
jordan holmes
Now, in some of these cities, incoherent.
tucker carlson
There are economic reasons for this, right?
A lot of African Americans moved up from the South to work at the auto plants in Detroit, to work at the harbor, at the shipyards of steel plant in Baltimore, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
But not all of it.
And in New York City, almost all the demographic change is the result of immigration.
And that began in 1965, which is definitely within living memory of a lot of people watching this right now.
So that's another and very long way of saying the great replacement is not only real, it's the realest thing there is.
And it's provably true.
dan friesen
So Tucker has presented census data from 1950 and more recent demographic estimates to illustrate that there was a higher percentage of white people in the six largest cities in the United States back then compared to now.
He's then explained that economic motivators like the auto industry in Detroit and the ports in Baltimore attracted black laborers to come to the city.
But then Tucker has just decided to assert that all of the shift in population in New York is because of immigration.
jordan holmes
They never had any stuff to do.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's crazy that New York would have like jobs.
dan friesen
That's like what he's saying isn't true, and he's not even trying to justify his claim.
jordan holmes
No, no, it's ridiculous.
Yeah.
dan friesen
But it's been said.
So now this is the case for the monologue that he's in.
And even if we accept what he's saying, how is all of what he's presented so far supposed to show that the great replacement is the realest thing in the world?
The great replacement requires intent on some shadowy group's part to replace white people with people from other places.
It can't just be the natural flow of people drawn to the place that brands itself as the land of opportunity, who has a big statue of liberty bragging about how we take in the world's needy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that would be just evolution.
dan friesen
There's a leap that folks like Tucker need to make, and it's one that they're not quite ready to make, which is that they need to disown and attack some of America's primary myths.
If they truly believe that there's a shadowy conspiracy meant to replace all white people, then they need to consider the Statue of Liberty as a giant part of that plot.
In order to achieve the state of affairs they want in the present, they need to tear down most of what was used to make us feel good about ourselves in the past and just lay bare that this country is a white identity colonial project.
Like they need to shut that shit down of send me your sick, you're downtrodden.
jordan holmes
Apartheid or apartheid?
Leveraging Myths vs. Reality 00:07:39
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And they're not ready to do that because they love Americana.
jordan holmes
It must be like I try and imagine believing things like this.
And I just don't, it feels like if somebody was walking around and like with a wand thrown out of out of cadavers, assuming people are going to die.
Because it's like, none of this is real, man.
Like, it's not real.
It's not.
It's pretend, man.
You get the wand doesn't do shit.
Even in the world, it's probably the power inside of you.
Like, get over yourself.
What is happening?
dan friesen
Yeah.
And I think that that's one of the reasons that I ended up like, well, we should probably just do this episode.
It's like, it's shocking.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's legitimately shocking.
Yeah.
I've listened to Tucker and he shocked me, you know, here and there.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I listened to Alex and I'm like, this guy's a dumbass.
This is like sincerely crazy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it is.
It is.
It sounds insane.
Yeah.
It sounds like for you to believe this, there also has to be a serious psychological damage somewhere in your brain.
dan friesen
Yeah.
He has to have brain damage from being attacked by that demon or something.
Like it's crazy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and I wouldn't accept any kind of neurodivergence.
I can only accept actual physical brain damage as an explanation for why you would say this out loud where other people can hear you.
dan friesen
Yeah, it has to be some acute event because like he was able to keep his shit together when he was on TV for the most part.
jordan holmes
Yeah, crazy.
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Anyway, the politicians, they just sit around and think about like, how are we going to change the demographics?
They just sit, that's their primary concerns.
jordan holmes
They got weird problems.
tucker carlson
Emerging change is a constant through history.
And it is almost always mass demographic change, turnover replacement.
What?
jordan holmes
Where?
When?
tucker carlson
Almost always.
The result of human choice.
Populations change because leaders decide they should change.
Population demographics, the question of who lives within the borders of a country is not only a concern of leaders, of governments, it is the main concern.
It's the main thing they think about.
So the rest of us imagine that the government concerns itself with collecting taxes, schools, national defense.
And those are all concerns, but we are thinking way too small.
The people who run countries, who map out the future of civilizations, think in much larger terms than the rest of us.
This is not a guess, by the way.
This is true.
They think in terms of who lives here, what do they like?
How many of them are there?
And there are plenty of levers that they can move to change those numbers.
dan friesen
So it may be true that certain aspects of demographics are very important concerns for civic planners and politicians, but not in the way that Tucker means it.
Whether or not the population can find housing is a matter of demographics, in the sense that there's a certain stock of housing that can either meet or fail to meet the number of people in a given area.
Whether or not the schools can accommodate all the children in a particular area, that's a matter of demographic concern that matters a lot to leaders.
But the question of whether or not there's enough white people around, that's less important to people who aren't really racist.
Also, you can say that demographic change is always a choice, but not in the way that Tucker is saying.
There aren't levers that shadowy elite, shadowy elite, shadowy elites.
That seems, that feels wrong.
jordan holmes
Shadowy elites.
dan friesen
There aren't levers that shadowy elites can pull to cause demographic change, but there are definitely things that we can choose to do to stop it.
If we just drive out the non-white people that try to come to a town, then we've made a choice that resists demographic change.
And when Tucker is saying that the elites have chosen to make the country less white, what he essentially means is that the government hasn't done that.
They haven't imposed laws and policies to ensure that America stays 80% white.
And because they haven't, they've chosen to replace white people.
Tucker needs to stop being a coward and just come out and say that he wants segregation.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like it's getting tiresome.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
You know, I've long toyed with this idea, and it's never able to come kind of clean or to any kind of fruition.
But there is something in my head about people like Tucker and this kind of thought process that I do think has something to do with like, listen, we genocided the fuck out of the people who were here before.
That means it could happen to us.
Always be aware.
Always be aware.
Never give an inch.
Never let them have anything because we'll kill you.
So they'll probably kill us.
That's somewhere in there.
dan friesen
Hold on to that thought.
Guys, Tucker might literally say that later.
jordan holmes
See, this is the problem.
I can't come up with a theory because I don't live inside of it.
Tucker is the theory.
dan friesen
Because that's coming up in 10 years.
jordan holmes
There we go.
It all makes sense.
dan friesen
So anyway, there's like these levers for demographic change.
Sure.
Like a slot machine or something.
And like, you know, they're, you know, like birth control.
unidentified
Sure.
tucker carlson
And there are plenty of levers that they can move to change those numbers.
Obvious and not so obvious.
War being the most obvious.
Killing people, unleashing pandemics on them.
Obvious.
Less obvious?
Encouraging different ways of living.
Encouraging birth control or abortion.
Scrambling the genders.
Encouraging women to work outside the home.
has one of the largest effects on demographics, of course.
Because women who work during childbearing years are much less likely to have lots of children.
In fact, many won't have any children.
And that has proven true over time across the world.
We're excited to tell you about a new project from Amazon MGM called Melania.
For years, the people in charge have tried to tell you who she is.
dan friesen
Yeah, man.
They're trying to tell you who she is.
Seems like those levers are really just things that give people greater freedom and make them less easy to control.
It's a cool hat tip to the COVID bioweapon crowd there, though.
unidentified
Yeah, that was nice.
dan friesen
Well done.
jordan holmes
That was nice.
dan friesen
I can't say how sad this Melania plug is.
This is a real bummer.
Amazon paid like $75 million to release that movie, and no one wants it.
No one wants a documentary about Melania.
jordan holmes
Why would you?
dan friesen
Who cares?
jordan holmes
Why would you?
dan friesen
Also, fun fact, it was directed by Brett Ratner, who hasn't worked since 2014 because six women came out and accused him of sexual assault.
tucker carlson
Right.
dan friesen
Such an interesting choice for a director, considering he's never done a documentary before.
His fucking creep is directing a documentary about Melania while Trump is still in office and Tucker is just happily taking up Amazon ad money to do a commercial for it because he's a fucking clown.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is ridiculous.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think there would be a really interesting documentary to make about Melania insofar as like, what is the psychology of a person willing to truly make a deal with the devil of this type?
You know, like, there's no other way to describe the business relationship that is her and Donald Trump, right?
So there would be something really interesting there.
I don't think Brett Ratner was going for that, though.
dan friesen
No, probably not.
jordan holmes
I suspect not.
dan friesen
I watched, I mean, because of this, I watched the trailer for it.
And I will say, I don't really, I don't know what's up with her.
jordan holmes
Probably not.
dan friesen
I had no idea.
Ireland's Conquest Narratives 00:12:34
jordan holmes
Why would you?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Why would anybody want to?
dan friesen
It made me less.
It made me.
Okay, here's what it did.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It made me less sure of the picture that I had in my head.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But it also made me less interested.
And that's not good for a trailer for a documentary.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Every time I think about her, I feel sad.
She just seems like a sad, empty, soulless husk.
dan friesen
I also feel incurious.
jordan holmes
What is there inside a soulless, empty husk?
Nothing.
It should just blow away in the wind.
dan friesen
So governments, you know, they try and get rid of white people and replace populations.
jordan holmes
When, where, who?
dan friesen
So many times.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
We'll get to that later.
jordan holmes
I'll take care.
dan friesen
So they do this for economic reasons, but it's also to conquer, conquer the whites.
jordan holmes
Sounds true.
dan friesen
The Christians.
jordan holmes
Sounds true.
tucker carlson
So why would governments do this?
Well, that's kind of the more complex question.
They do it.
They've always done it.
They would do it for a couple of reasons.
One, to meet a short-term economic goal or even a long-term economic goal.
Short-term might be who's going to pick the grapes in California.
Oh, better get some Mexicans.
Understandable.
Most people are familiar.
jordan holmes
Understandable.
tucker carlson
Others might be longer-term adjustments to changes that no one can really control, like AI.
Oh, wait a second.
We're not going to need as many people here because machines are going to do a lot of the work.
How are we going to support these people?
That might be another reason.
And of course, there might be darker motives or more basic motives, like the innate human desire to conquer other people to replace your group with my group.
That's not a conspiracy theory.
That's the entire story of history.
Mass movements of people by force has been a constant since the Babylonian captivity and probably before, unrecorded.
That is the story of history.
And it's all around us, but we don't even notice.
The history of Ireland is that story.
Ireland, which is an island near England, was after Henry VIII Catholic.
England was Protestant.
The English took over Ireland.
It was their colony.
And in order to make it more compliant and to control the people there and to impose their culture on a foreign peoples, they moved many thousands of foreigners into Ireland.
There were the Anglo-Irish or Brits who moved to Ireland.
That was the ruling class of the country.
There were the Scots-Irish who were moved from Scotland into Ireland.
And in so doing, a Protestant region of the country was created called Ulster.
It's still there.
It's still at least half-Protestant.
dan friesen
So there's a fundamental delusion that the West has been in, which is now becoming totally clear.
It's a delusion that I grew up believing.
And a lot of these folks like Tucker all used to pretend that they believed it too.
That delusion is that we learned from the past.
I grew up believing that we could look back at things like colonialism and the Crusades, and we could see horribly misguided people trying to solve problems the wrong way.
We had the gift of hindsight, and we knew that the world wasn't perfect, but creating a better future meant leaving that kind of shit behind.
When I listen to Tucker ramble about Henry VIII and stuff that happened 500 years ago, it sounds insane.
Like he's trying to argue that this is the way things have always been and always will be.
Like, and it just, I don't know what to do with it.
jordan holmes
I mean, it is, it is always a fascinating thing to me because so many, like, you know, Tucker's, Tucker's an obvious white nationalist and stuff.
But there are so many books written by people who are very enamored with their own intelligence.
But when you get down to it, it's like, oh, you only know white people.
You only know white history.
You only know European history.
You only know that is what you think humanity is.
And it never occurs to them that that is not even close to the case.
And that's not even the most the highest percentage or ratio or whatever.
dan friesen
I mean, they're super into like, I don't know, Muslim history, whenever they have to say that, you know, white people weren't the only ones doing slaves.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
You know, they're really into broader world history.
jordan holmes
Tell me about fucking dynasties in China.
Tell me about fucking the Pacific Islanders traveling before we even had boats that could travel that far, inventing shit like that.
Tell me about all of that stuff.
No, it's just white people who fucking lived between 1500 and now.
dan friesen
Yeah, and since the 50s, we have in America, apparently, we have refused to be vicious enough in protecting our majority states or something.
jordan holmes
It makes sense.
It does.
dan friesen
It's fucking nuts.
tucker carlson
Yeah.
dan friesen
So anyway, Tucker does not like, you know, Black Lives Matter or like Pride because he thinks that those are the elites trying to shove the conquering that they've done in his face.
jordan holmes
That sounds true.
tucker carlson
Not only did they move all kinds of foreigners into Ireland to change the demographic mix to effect a great replacement, they began to change the national monuments.
Oh, that's weird.
Have you seen that before?
St. Patrick's Cathedral in the middle of Dublin, got to be one of the biggest Catholic shrines in Ireland.
They made it Anglican.
No longer Catholic.
It's Anglican now.
Jonathan Swift preached there, actually, an Anglo-Irishman, and so did many others.
But in the center of this Catholic country, the colonial power moved non-Indigenous people in in order to make the case this is ours now.
And you see that everywhere.
When the street across from the White House gets repainted in Black Lives Matter colors, it's kind of a species of that, right?
When the Confederate statues are torn down in Richmond and New Orleans, is it really an effort to improve the lives of local black people?
No.
Of course, it didn't work, didn't have any effect.
No, it was a matter of cultural imperialism.
We run this now.
Down with your monuments, up with ours.
It's Pride Week.
It is the most recognizable pattern in history.
It's one people conquering another.
It's what the Mongols did.
dan friesen
So the underlying assumption here that Tucker knows he doesn't even have to speak is that there are people who are being conquered by Black Lives Matter and Pride Week.
They're straight white men.
He doesn't even have to say it.
jordan holmes
It's just under attack.
Everybody knows that we're under attack, obviously.
dan friesen
They're the indigenous population of the United States, and the shadowy group that's totally not the Jews, he didn't say that, and I can't believe I would suggest he did, are celebrating the conquer of white men by waving all this diversity around in his face.
This is dramatic loser shit, and it just sounds nuts.
jordan holmes
It is the description of a Dungeons and Dragons game.
Like if somebody was explaining, like, oh, okay, so you got to roll to get a six here, otherwise this group of people is going to attack you.
And I'm just going, like, that's fine.
I'm sure that this makes sense wherever you're from.
But out here, you have to live with us, man.
You can't just live in there.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You can't.
dan friesen
And hey, sure.
You know what?
Taking down Confederate statues certainly maybe it didn't do enough to materially help people's lives.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
You know, like people, what is keeping them up doing?
jordan holmes
I mean, what is fascinating about that is the underlying understanding that statues are political.
Like they are not anything to be about what happened, and they're everything about what you want to be.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You know?
So there is an element of like, hey, you know why you're keeping up all those Confederate statues.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know that.
dan friesen
In order to make this argument, Tucker has to shed the naivete he should need in order to defend.
jordan holmes
It's just American history.
It's about our history.
It's not about, you know, we're just celebrating Robert E. Lee because he was such a great strategist.
That's what we care about.
It's definitely not a way we want to own people.
dan friesen
So he's like, I would say like deeply all in on this replacement stuff.
jordan holmes
Sure.
tucker carlson
But it's also real.
And it's happened throughout history.
One people conquering another.
And these are decisions not made organically.
Not like millions of people get together and decide, let's change the demographics of a continent, a region, let's destroy a people.
These are decisions made by leaders each and every single time.
China takes Tibet.
What's the first thing to do?
Move Han Chinese into Tibet.
Why do they do that?
Well, to subjugate, to make a point, ours is a superior culture to yours, but also to control.
Once again, this is not a conspiracy theory.
This is the story of recorded history, and it's a story of the present day.
Obviously.
And only a country completely divorced from history, from human nature, from reality itself, could ever fall for, ooh, it's a debunked far-right white nationalist conspiracy theory.
Really?
No, it's not.
It's just the opposite.
It's the realest thing that ever happened.
dan friesen
So Tucker believes that there's a plan being carried out by a shadowy group of elites who are making choices to conquer the white man and replace him with foreigners.
And that's not a conspiracy theory.
That's the realest thing ever.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So why isn't he calling for murder of every person involved in carrying this plan out?
I don't mean that flippantly or say it to be an asshole.
If what he's saying is true, then there's no compelling moral argument against fighting back by any means necessary.
jordan holmes
The only thing you can do is destroy your enemy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
That is an existential matter for you at that point.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
There is no choice.
It is life or death.
So either you're strongly implying go murder these people or you're a big coward trying to jangle keys away from people looking at what's very obviously a murder.
dan friesen
Yeah, so you can go sell tickets to the Melania documentary.
jordan holmes
Oh, fucking hell.
dan friesen
At Amazon.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So like, yeah, I just think that there's like, okay, great.
You believe this dumb shit and you're preaching it.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Don't fucking tell me you want to arrest Soros.
Shut the fuck up.
jordan holmes
What kind of trial?
Yeah.
What kind of trial would you even imagine being worth having if you think that he is secretly replacing white people everywhere?
First off, you can't have a trial because he could secretly stack it.
You don't know who he's connected to.
dan friesen
He knows all the Jesuits.
jordan holmes
You don't know who he's.
Yeah, exactly.
You have to independently murder this man because he is killing everyone.
That is your only option.
dan friesen
Yeah, because he legitimately runs the world.
Yeah.
And yeah, systems impossible to hold him accountable.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Trump controls all of the power in the United States now, and he's not been arrested.
jordan holmes
And you have centered it on one man.
And I don't know if you know this about one man, but he is eminently killable.
One dude is so killable.
dan friesen
He's so old.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
He's the old.
You could knock him over.
Like, why even bother staging a suicide?
You could trip him and he'd be dead.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So what I'm saying is that like Tucker would be more compelling and make more sense if he was like just saying he should be going on a jihad.
So look, the goal here is to get non-white people into the country.
jordan holmes
That sounds true.
dan friesen
And send them around places so they can control all the votes.
tucker carlson
Mandate Palestine, what's now Israel, was about 80% Arab.
The next year was what, like 32% Arab the next year, after the War of Independence in 1948, I'm not attacking anyone at all.
But the point is, Israel was a majority Jewish country on day one.
That was the whole point.
And it worked great.
Everybody.
We're here now.
Voter ID Controversy 00:15:34
tucker carlson
You're gone.
It was a lot of people.
jordan holmes
Imogenous nationalism is a win.
tucker carlson
Not casting aspersions, just saying all wars are in effect that.
They're all that way.
Oh.
Every one of them.
Okay.
Including the one that we're living through that is undeclared that no one will admit is happening because it's a conspiracy theory, but it's the realest thing that ever happened.
So then we get to the question of motive.
Like, why is this happening?
Why would you do that?
Why would you want to do that to people and erase them?
Well, the most obvious motive would be power.
And that's usually the motive or one of the motives.
And in this country, it's really clear that one of the reasons this is happening is because the Democratic Party and their overlords, who are not partisan, they're just the biggest shareholders in the country in the country.
And would like to have unprotected power.
And so if you let in tens of millions of immigrants, illegal aliens, over 60 years, you're probably going to reach a point where they just openly participate in the political system where they get a vote, thereby diluting, replacing the voters who don't vote for you.
This is clearly the plan.
It's always been the plan, part of the plan.
And Stacey Abrams, who is a perennial candidate in Georgia and somehow very famous, not exactly clear why, but had one sort of unique talent.
She was dumb enough to say this out loud.
Here's Stacey Abrams in 2018.
stacey abrams
The blue wave is African American.
unidentified
Yay!
stacey abrams
It's white.
It's Latino.
It's Asia Pacific Islander.
It is disabled.
It is differently abled.
It is LGBTQ.
unidentified
Yes!
stacey abrams
It is law enforcement.
It is veterans.
unidentified
Yes!
stacey abrams
It is made up of those who've been told that they are not worthy of being here.
It is comprised of those who are documented and undocumented.
tucker carlson
Yes!
She's rolling.
She's trying to remember who's in the coalition.
The abled, the, what do we call them?
Crippled?
No, no, no.
Differently abled.
Differently abled.
jordan holmes
She's like going through the litany.
tucker carlson
White, black, Latino, Pacific Islander, people from Fiji, the gays, sorry, LBGTPQ questioning, whatever.
The documented, the undocumented.
Oh, wait a second, Stacey Abrams.
Did you just say that illegal aliens are going to vote in elections, federal elections?
I think that's against the law.
No, whatever.
william kelly
You can't stop her.
tucker carlson
Stacey Abrams.
No one has the brass to tell her to slow down.
Hate to brag, but we're pretty confident this show is the most vehemently pro-dog podcast you're ever going to see.
We can take or leave some people, but dogs are non-negotiable.
They are the best.
dan friesen
Yeah, no shit.
You can take or leave some people, you asshole.
jordan holmes
Wild.
dan friesen
So Stacey Abrams wasn't saying that undocumented folk were going to vote in federal elections, just that they were part of the community of people who made up the blue wave or the backlash to the 2016 election.
Everyone knows that there are just going to be some undocumented people living in the country, and they're part of our communities.
Abrams had a position that a responsible government also cares about them, whereas Tucker's side has fully embraced the idea that the government's role is to carry out an internal military action to remove them.
You can see in that clip, too, Tucker's attempt at riffing and sounding funny.
He's uncreative and angry, so all he can really muster up when he's trying to be funny is repeating right-wing talking points about politically correct terms they feel like everyone is forcing them to use.
He's in the middle of an episode defending ethnic cleansing in the United States, and he's out here whining about how some people say differently abled.
It's like straight up loser behavior.
jordan holmes
No, honestly, sometimes I find it almost refreshing to hear slurs again.
Just like, well, at least I don't have to deal with you anymore.
Slur?
Good.
You say that.
That keeps you away from me because I can't get anywhere near you.
This is disgusting.
Fuck off.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
No, it's shameful.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
So earlier, Tucker discussed how there were these top six cities population-wise in the United States.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
They were really white before.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
How are they doing now?
What's going on?
Maybe they're trying to send all the non-whites in there to vote.
tucker carlson
One very obvious point that lingers in the air, you don't even want to address it because it's so depressing, is how are those six cities we mentioned at the outset doing today in 2026?
The six biggest cities in the country in 1950.
Again, it was New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, Detroit, Philadelphia, Baltimore.
I mean, there are nice places in some of those cities.
Some of them are just slums, actually.
And there are complicated reasons why manufacturing died.
Some of those are big manufacturing hubs, of course.
Immigration is not the only reason.
Nothing is ever the only reason.
But all of those cities were completely changed by immigration, and they all got way worse.
Much worse.
Like much, much worse.
Philadelphia, really?
Baltimore?
Detroit?
So it didn't help.
And in some places, like Los Angeles, it just destroyed the city completely and destroyed the state.
Completely destroyed the state.
You want to know what's wrong with California?
Too much immigration.
It was an amazing state in 1980.
I remember it well.
I'm sure.
You wouldn't want to live there now.
jordan holmes
No, it's terrible.
tucker carlson
Because the governor is like a white liberal.
You sort of forget that the people live in California look nothing like the people who lived there in 1980 at all, when it was the least corrupt and most functional state with the people.
jordan holmes
They were all Iranian back then.
tucker carlson
It was more poverty than any state.
It's got more immigrants than any state.
There's just a one-to-one.
So, and it's not an attack on the immigrants at all, many of whom are hardworking and nice.
Some of whom are not hardworking or nice, but a lot of them are.
Latin immigrants tend to be pretty great when you know them, enthusiastic participants in the economy.
But taken as a whole, immigration totally destroyed California, just flat out.
There's no other factor.
Meaningful factor.
That's the single biggest factor in the discussion.
jordan holmes
I can't think of any meaningful factors beyond that.
tucker carlson
Didn't happen.
Oh, but it did happen.
And one of the effects was, as noted, it gave Democrats complete control over the state.
It's a one-party state.
Period.
And you often run into Republicans from Santa Barbara or Orange County or up near Mount Shasta, from Redding, you know, and they're as conservative as anybody you've ever met in your life.
There's some real right-wingers in California, but they have no say in anything because they control nothing.
jordan holmes
Well, except the water.
tucker carlson
Literally that simple.
So it works.
And that model will be repeated unless someone puts the brakes on immediately across the country.
So there are 14 states plus D.C. as of tonight that have no voter ID laws.
And in some places, you're not allowed to ask for voter IDs, flat out.
But in 14 states, you need no identification in order to vote.
Why is that?
Well, so illegals can vote.
It's literally that simple.
It's not more complicated than that.
So illegals can vote.
And that means you have no power if you're a native-born American, if you're an actual citizen of the country, because your vote is being canceled and in places like California, completely overwhelmed by people who aren't from here who have no right to vote, but they're voting anyway.
dan friesen
So this video and the argument that Tucker is making is a very clear example of him trying to manufacture consent among his audience for ICE killing anyone they want and operating in any way they please in order to achieve the goal of stopping what he feels is white replacement.
The points he's making are dumb.
The data that he's using is flagrantly misinterpreted.
And the connections between ideas he's connecting are thin at best.
This is the case because Tucker's arguing a point solely based on the need to defend the conclusion instead of building from the premises.
Simply put, this is not a person saying that undocumented immigrants are voting, therefore ICE's actions are justified.
It's a person who believes that ICE's actions are justified.
So to defend that belief, he's decided to pretend that undocumented immigrants are determining all of our elections.
It's not surprising that Tucker is playing this kind of game because this is the school of media he comes from.
He's always had his talking points given to him and the spin that he's supposed to put on a story in order to serve the powerful interests that pay him.
He was doing it when I was in college during the Iraq War, and he's doing it now.
He's just changed his branding a little bit and made a lot of this racist shit way more explicit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's fucking insane.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, you could say that it's a gigantic worldwide competition between a small group of people who are obsessed with hoarding resources and everything that fucks the rest of us overflows directly from whatever they need to do to protect that competition from anybody else being involved.
Or, or, admittedly, it could be people who are very nice when you get to know them.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
Very nice when you get to know them.
But you have to admit, statistically, they all need to be lit on fire.
dan friesen
Now, I would like to join you in your fight against the elites.
I will.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But I'm going to have to meet up with you later because I have to record an ad for Amazon's new Melania documentary.
jordan holmes
It is difficult to fight the elites, but also check out.
Shadowy elites.
dan friesen
Check out this.
jordan holmes
Those are the shadowy elites.
These are the elites that you make documentaries about.
You can't be a shadowy elite if there's a documentary about you.
dan friesen
That's true.
jordan holmes
That's why Alex made all those documentaries about normal elites.
dan friesen
Like people doing DUI checkpoints.
Fucking elites.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
Man, the stakes used to be so low.
dan friesen
Rhodes.
Anyway, we're talking voter ID a little bit.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Some states don't have it.
unidentified
Why?
jordan holmes
I mean, because human beings are all human beings equal.
There's no, all of this is imaginary.
States shouldn't exist.
There's no such thing as a border.
None of this is real.
Race is not even real.
We're all one thing.
We're all just fucking bull.
Fuck all of you.
Could be that.
dan friesen
So close to superpower.
Could be that.
Could be that.
jordan holmes
It could be.
tucker carlson
And what's interesting is that of the 14 states with no voter ID law, three are in the top five biggest states by population.
Three out of our top five biggest states have no voter ID law.
That's enough to make those states Democrat.
By the way, for the record, those would be California, number one in all categories, Illinois, and Pennsylvania have no voter ID.
So that's enough to swing a presidential election.
Sorry.
It is.
And there's no way to stop it unless you were to ban and then enforce voting with no ID.
You'd have to enforce it.
dan friesen
You know what else is fucking crazy?
Five out of the five most populous states in the United States, they don't have grandfather clauses in their voting laws.
It's fucking nuts.
jordan holmes
That is crazy.
dan friesen
Can you believe that five out of five of the most highest population states, they don't enforce a poll tax?
jordan holmes
No.
Can you fucking believe that?
Can you vote if you are not a landowner in these places?
dan friesen
Five out of five states.
unidentified
Never.
jordan holmes
We're going back to 1950 when I think we can all agree things were better.
dan friesen
What about women?
jordan holmes
Which one?
dan friesen
So obviously Tucker is just interested in voter intimidation and suppressing people's right to vote.
And I don't care to argue that, but I want to draw some attention to a couple glaring holes in his argument.
Three out of the five most populous states in the country not requiring ID to vote doesn't imply causation.
Tucker is trying to imply that these more populated states don't require ID to vote.
And that's why they have higher populations.
But that's not based on anything other than racist vibes.
There are 14 states that don't require ID to vote, which means there's 36 that do require some kind of ID.
But Tucker needs to take into account when these states voted on putting in voter ID laws.
When did that happen?
jordan holmes
Interesting.
dan friesen
If his argument has any merit, then you would expect that the voter ID laws, you know, they're passed, then populations would flow from places with new laws into states that didn't have these laws.
jordan holmes
Right, exactly.
dan friesen
That's how this would have to work.
jordan holmes
That would have to be the case.
dan friesen
A very simple counterexample to that is Texas's population has been increasing and they have voter ID laws.
jordan holmes
What?
But how?
dan friesen
Whereas California's population has been decreasing and they don't.
jordan holmes
Well, at least we know that there are no non-white people in Texas.
dan friesen
The opposite of this dynamic should be true if what Tucker is saying is going on.
Also, one of those states without voter ID laws that Tucker listed, Pennsylvania, went for Trump in 2016 and 2020.
unidentified
Right?
jordan holmes
Like, what are we talking about?
dan friesen
So, how would that be possible if they could just have as many illegal voters as they is fucking stupid shit?
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah.
This goes back to your point earlier of like, I thought that the past we would be like, aha, that's back there.
Now we can see it, so we won't do that again.
But then it's like, man, have you, hey, think about all the laws we've had around voting.
Think about all the ideas you have for laws about voting.
Are they exactly like the ones we've already tried that didn't work?
dan friesen
So have been deeply studied.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
By a lot of people about how fucking racist they were.
Simply by asking for one of those rules, you are being a racist.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That is the definition of I would like to choose things based on race.
dan friesen
Well, at very least, what you're doing is hearkening back to a piece of a racist system that didn't work.
We got rid of.
And you're like, hey, let's try that again.
That's basically what you're doing.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
And that is, in and of itself, racist.
jordan holmes
Which is, yeah, which is fine.
Again, if you're like, hey, let's do this thing.
Why?
Because people like me were really, really treated well back then.
We got a first seat at every fucking restaurant we wanted to go to.
All that bullshit.
It's like, that's what you want.
dan friesen
Now, again, there might be something in a future clip.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
Now, he doesn't say exactly that.
jordan holmes
But he says about that.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It feels similar.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
dan friesen
So all of this, you know, Tucker's presenting a lot of information.
He's telling us a lot of feelings.
jordan holmes
He trusts the science.
dan friesen
He does.
And I think it leads us to just one inescapable conclusion, and that is they.
jordan holmes
Who's they?
unidentified
Well.
dan friesen
They hate whites.
tucker carlson
Which the second motive here, which is inescapable and it's almost, it is uncomfortable to talk about, but it is the subtext behind a lot of this, is racial triumphalism, is hatred, is loathing for the people being replaced, which doesn't make intuitive sense.
Why would you be mad at people you're replacing?
Well, it's not clear.
There are obviously spiritual components here, too, which probably no mortal understands, but they're real.
They're evident.
What is this?
Why would you do that?
Why would you make, would you totally change the population of Australia, New Zealand?
Why would you totally change Canada?
Great Britain.
Every English-speaking white country is becoming non-white.
dan friesen
So Tucker is anything but uncomfortable saying this.
I get that he's dressing this up in his dumbass TV show host voice, and he's trying to sound so sensitive and rational, but he is legitimately saying that there's a demonic force that's trying to wipe out white people.
Why Replace Whites? 00:14:34
dan friesen
Just 10 years ago, this would have rightly been understood to be racist garbage that belongs in the fringiest of society's fringes.
But now it's just normal.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we used to laugh about people on 4chan saying shit like that.
Yeah.
And that was 4chan.
dan friesen
And before that, it would be like a newsletter that your fucking excommunicated uncle would maybe have stashed.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
A chain email or some shit like that.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Also, if he's playing these games, and he probably shouldn't talk about demographic changes in places like Australia, New Zealand, and Canada being evil.
There's trouble down that road if he teases that thread a little too far.
Real shit.
jordan holmes
It is fucking infuriating to me how many stupid fucking little privileges just being white gets you that these people ignore.
Like, that is fucking crazy.
There shouldn't be any of them.
There should be no, like, oh, thank God your skin color is blank.
Like that shouldn't exist at all.
There should be none.
Not even like one.
Like, oh, well, this one's good.
And yet somehow they're like, ah, I still need more.
I still need more.
I need to be standing.
I need to, I don't want chairs.
I want a poor person to sit on top of.
dan friesen
And it's just weird.
I think that there's something very, very strange about how angry that kind of a conversation makes someone like Tucker.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because I just think he's incapable of hearing that kind of a point and understanding where someone's coming from with it.
That, to me, is the problem.
You know, like, we live in the world that we live in.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Decisions were made in the past that can't be changed in the here and now.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But you can decide how you respond to the world that we live in.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he's just incapable of hearing anyone and just gets mad.
It's fucking insane.
jordan holmes
It is deliberately obtuse because that's what you get to be if you're a fucking oligarch.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's deliberately obtuse, but it's also a little insane.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
It's both.
jordan holmes
I think you have to be insane to want to have as much money as those people have.
Like, there's, it's the same thing as, like, if you have too many newspapers, it's the same thing as if you have too much money.
It's a weird hoarder mentality.
It's insane.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's a piece of it.
tucker carlson
Yeah.
dan friesen
So earlier, you were talking about how, you know, you got to hold on to that majority because bad shit's coming.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I told you that it gets a little bit overt.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
Here's where that starts.
tucker carlson
Uh-oh.
So why would you do that?
And what happens when you do that?
Well, it's interesting.
And this is a feature of human nature.
And it's not just white, black, Hispanic.
It's probably all races, but this is just true.
Former majorities don't get treated well.
But you really can't think of a case where a people has gone from majority to minority and then was treated well.
It just kind of hasn't happened, including in this country, by the way.
The American Indians, not treated well.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tucker carlson
By hooted off to Oklahoma.
Had to walk, actually.
No carts.
What happened to the white minority in Zimbabwe?
They voluntarily relinquished power.
Then they were killed.
dan friesen
Oh, man.
This is incredibly honest, and it gets to the heart of Tucker's feelings.
jordan holmes
Wow, that's just the truest stuff I've ever heard.
dan friesen
We've come a long way from pretending to care about communism, and now we're getting to the point.
Tucker is working off two very racist presuppositions, one based on something real and one based on a fantasy.
The one that's based on something real is that Tucker believes that the white majority of the population has historically acted in ways that deserve payback.
The history of reservations, slavery, and internment are ugly things that white people in power enacted on people who had less power, and they are historically inexcusable.
The one that's based on a fantasy is that Tucker believes that all people who aren't white are unable to exist in society without compulsively needing to get that payback.
If native people got enough power, they'd put white people on reservations just out of spite.
If enough black people got into office, they'd enslave white people just to get even.
Tucker believes this of non-white people because in his mind, we're still in the days of colonialism and slavery.
It's just not been cool to say that since about 1950.
This has always been central to the extreme right-wing ideology.
They're terrified of what non-white people would do in positions of power because they know that they want to use their positions of power to oppress non-white people.
This is all very pathetic.
And I think when I was a kid, this kind of shit would be mocked off the air and some punk with a mohawk would kick the shit out of Tucker in a parking lot.
jordan holmes
It would be nice.
dan friesen
But at the same time, there's some sincerity to it.
And I guess that's better than not.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah.
dan friesen
It is also a small point.
But the apartheid state of Rhodesia did not give up power willingly.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
They were so nice about it.
They were polite about it.
They were like, whoopsie, sorry we took over your land and murdered all of you.
dan friesen
How many white people does Tucker think there were in the country at the height of that apartheid government?
I wonder why.
jordan holmes
The census was 95, 94% white, right?
dan friesen
Probably.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
In 1965, Ian Smith and his government unilaterally declared themselves in charge of the country, which was never recognized by the international community.
The government was run fully by white people, though they made up about 5% of the population, which led to a 15-year civil war that resulted in Zimbabwe.
White people were never a majority in Rhodesia, so when Zimbabwe was founded, they weren't a former majority.
Tucker understands this, and he's giving up the game a little bit there.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
They weren't a former majority.
They formerly held all of the power in an apartheid white nationalist government.
jordan holmes
What are you trying to say?
dan friesen
That's different.
jordan holmes
How are those different?
dan friesen
But that's what he means.
Well, I mean, because that's what he's talking about.
jordan holmes
They sound different.
dan friesen
Yeah, when he talks about how he's worried about the United States becoming a minority white country, what he's saying is, I don't want to relinquish all the power that I have.
jordan holmes
You know, here's the thing that I don't get about the people who like Tucker.
Because presumably, what I understand them to be hearing, right, is Tucker saying, white people are better, right?
And the way we know we're better is because when we murdered everybody, we stopped.
And now, if we allow other people to have power, they'll murder all of us and they'll just never stop because they're all fucking chaotic monsters, right?
But at no point in time does the person listening to Tucker go, if you are painting with a broadbrush based on skin color, then you are currently doing the same thing to me as well.
I am not a person to Tucker.
I am a skin color, which means I am something to be used demographically to get what he wants.
dan friesen
Yeah, but you're good.
jordan holmes
Because race is real, man.
It's not real.
dan friesen
Yeah, when you're saying, like, imagining being someone who listens to Tucker.
Yeah.
And I wonder if he's like severely dropping off.
Like, I think that maybe getting into the shit with Nick Fuentes, I think that might be backfiring on him.
Because if you want to listen to shit like this, there's other people who can do it.
And Tucker has elevated them.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Why would you listen to this?
jordan holmes
I mean, it's not fun.
No.
And you don't even get like, what was it?
I think I saw something that somebody posted about Media Matters who listened to Nick Fuentes' broadcast and like wrote a little something.
Can you believe Nick Fuentes said this, a fucking idiot?
Fucking waste more of our lives with, can you believe?
But Nick Fuentes said some bullshit.
And then Media Matters talked about it.
That's fun.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's like, Epstein was cool.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
That's fun.
Of course, that's fun.
dan friesen
That gives you a little charge.
You still transgress that.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
Ooh, Media Matters, those dumb fucks are not understanding for the millionth fucking time.
Can't believe it.
dan friesen
Or even like, you know, I think Alex's show has dropped considerably in quality, but there's still like, he's still funny at all.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like, there's no value to Tucker's show outside of what I could see, which is like old people who watched him on Fox who don't want to go to the young Nazi.
jordan holmes
Now they don't get it.
dan friesen
But like, those people have got to be dead.
And it's not a growing audience.
jordan holmes
It can't possibly be.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think he's dead in the water in a lot of ways, and that's why you're seeing this kind of shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, it does.
This does track with clinging to the last vestige of what you have Your demographic is dead.
dan friesen
Being just willing to openly be like, hey, if we become a minority, we're going to get killed.
It's a little fucking silly.
jordan holmes
It's insane.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It is so insane.
dan friesen
Yep.
But it is what he believes.
And he goes on.
tucker carlson
South Africa, they're in the process of being killed.
They voluntarily, once again, voluntarily relinquish power.
They had nuclear weapons in 1994.
Gave up the nuclear weapons, gave up power, went to majority rule system.
It was a peaceful transition.
Declerk and Mandela, you remember the scenes from 1947?
jordan holmes
Where were they keeping Mandela?
Up until this point, peacefully.
Were they keeping him peacefully somewhere nice?
tucker carlson
The people formerly in power began very, very quickly.
How did it wind up for the Palestinians?
As noted, they were 80% of Israel in 1947, 30% in 1948.
How's it gone for them since?
Not well.
A lot have been killed.
And it's complicated.
They did bad things too.
By the way, the Indians scalped a lot of people, and apartheid was bad.
I mean, there are lots of lenses through which you could view this.
But if you stand back, former majorities who become minorities tend to be killed.
You hope that's not true, but it seems to be.
dan friesen
Tucker's trying to hide the football here a little bit.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah?
dan friesen
His entire argument is about why it's important that we don't allow white people to become a minority in the United States, which is why it's okay that Trump and ICE are acting flagrantly unconstitutionally.
But his examples are a mess, and they aren't actually examples of changing demographics.
No, they're about apartheid.
Rhodesia and South Africa weren't majority white countries that allowed black people to come in and change the demographics to the point where they became a minority.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
They were governments that came out of colonial projects that were based on all the state power being held by a minority, and that system came to an end.
They weren't white majority countries.
They were countries where white people had all the power.
If you understand what Tucker is saying correctly, this isn't about demographics at all.
It's about white nationalist power structures and how that's what he wants to maintain.
He's even lying about caring about demographics.
jordan holmes
No, I mean, it's crazy.
It is crazy.
It is like whatever it is he's saying is equivalent to being like, no, I really think Britain did a great job with the whole India-Pakistan thing.
I think they nailed it.
I mean, you may see some problems in the present, but think about what it could have been.
dan friesen
There's a lot of lenses.
jordan holmes
A lot of lenses.
dan friesen
There's a lot of ways you can peek from over here.
jordan holmes
The idea of anybody having any positive opinions about apartheid South Africa or especially Rhodesia is like, okay, you've given up the game.
Come on, man.
dan friesen
Quite.
jordan holmes
Come on.
dan friesen
Especially if you're trying to be like, hey, they were super chill.
jordan holmes
I think you should be able to.
I think you should be able to hit black people in the streets for 30 fucking years whenever the fuck you wanted for whatever reason.
And then whenever the fucking world finally went, hey, seriously, we have to either get rid of you or kill you.
They voluntarily were like, okay, we'll try not to be killed.
That's it.
dan friesen
It's kind of gracious and quite frankly, a mistake that the whites made.
jordan holmes
Obviously.
Obviously.
dan friesen
Holy shit.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
So anyway, Tucker's mad at other whites too, though.
jordan holmes
Thank God somebody needs to be.
dan friesen
Because they're not cool like him.
tucker carlson
And it's especially distressing when you look at the attitude of people in the United States who are pushing for mass demographic change.
And just to put a tighter focus on it, People who are pushing for an end to the white majority.
Oh, it's white supremacists to say that.
No, it's not.
It's an acknowledgement of reality.
And by the way, if you're looking for hatred, it's not a lot of white supremacists, well, even visible in public.
Where are all these white supremacists we keep hearing about?
But the people who are concerned about total demographic change don't seem like the hateful ones.
It's people espousing it who have a weird gleam in their eye and a detectable loathing in their voice.
And very often, and this may be the darkest feature of it, it's not just hatred, it's self-hatred.
And keep in mind that anyone who will hate himself will have no problem at all hating and hurting you.
dan friesen
Tucker has now moved on to the part of his screen where he laments the race traitors among the white ranks.
How insidious they are.
jordan holmes
I was feeling very race traitory during that fucking.
I remember a few years ago whenever I called people, I was like, ah, they're calling him a race traitor.
And people were like, hey, hey, hey, let's not go that far.
Fuck you all.
All of you.
Fuck all of you.
dan friesen
We just, we hadn't gotten to the point where, you know, that was apparently cool for Tucker to complain about.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So there's an irony here.
And that this is messaging.
It's legitimately no different than the stuff you'd see on Nazi message boards and newsletters 20 years ago.
It's just a little more politically correct.
He can complain about political correctness until he's out of breath, but the truth is that Tucker's the one who's still trying to mask his shit with some smooth language.
Just come out and chant the 14 words, you coward.
Political Correctness Masking 00:05:13
jordan holmes
Jesus.
dan friesen
Like, what are you doing?
This is, this is.
jordan holmes
You know what I've realized?
I've realized that we may have run into a serious problem with the superpowers, right?
Because Nightcrawler can only teleport to what he can see, right?
Isn't that the whole thing?
dan friesen
I guess.
jordan holmes
Or something along those lines?
unidentified
I don't remember.
jordan holmes
Like, if my power is teleportation, I can't see Tucker Carlson.
So I couldn't teleport to there to solve the problem.
dan friesen
You could in a series of teleportations.
jordan holmes
That's what I need to find out.
I need to find out if I – but here's the problem.
We're also recording high up in the air.
If I teleport now, we could be gone.
dan friesen
Hear me out.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
You see a plane in the sky?
Teleport into it.
unidentified
Can you?
jordan holmes
I wonder if what's Nightcrawler's range?
Have we ever established that?
dan friesen
No, we haven't.
jordan holmes
Can he just teleport across the world?
dan friesen
When you said we got to talk about the superpowers and we have a problem with the superpowers, I thought you were talking about Hulk Hogan and Macho Maine Randy Savage.
jordan holmes
No, no, I was not talking about those two guys.
dan friesen
I think you could teleport to Tucker.
I believe in it.
jordan holmes
That's a long.
That's several.
That's almost 2,000 miles, man.
Maine's a long way away.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Well, it's true.
And he's never coming here.
jordan holmes
No, he is not.
And it would be a wise choice.
dan friesen
I think so.
I mean, oh, hey, when I was in Pennsylvania at his show, I could see him.
I could have teleported on stage.
jordan holmes
See, this is why I told you I couldn't go.
I can't go because there would be problems.
dan friesen
There's a chance.
jordan holmes
Yep.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So these race traitors.
Let's talk about one of them.
jordan holmes
Let's talk about what's race trader number one.
Because I mean, obviously, we're going to be ranking them sooner or later.
dan friesen
Who do you think?
And I'll give you a clue.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
It's a lady.
jordan holmes
All right.
I was 100% sure it was a lady.
Yeah.
You did not need to add that part.
dan friesen
Do you want to?
Should I give you another?
jordan holmes
I mean, I don't.
Here's the problem.
It feels like Pelosi.
dan friesen
Boom, baby.
jordan holmes
It is not.
She's dead.
Or close enough.
dan friesen
No, that's fine.
jordan holmes
Oh, whichever one.
unidentified
Yeah, whatever.
dan friesen
She's retired, though.
Yeah, but yeah, she's number one.
jordan holmes
I'm just glad she can't hurt me anymore, let alone the rest of the world.
tucker carlson
Here's Nancy Pelosi.
A few years ago, keep in mind, she was the Speaker of the House, third in line to the presidency.
And this is part of a speech she gave on the House floor about demographic change.
Watch this.
nancy pelosi
I'm reminded of my own grandson.
He's Irish, English, whatever, whatever, and Italian-American.
He's the mix.
But he looks more like the other side of the family, shall we say?
And when he had his fifth birthday, sixth birthday, he had a very close friend whose name is Antonio, who's from Guatemala.
And he has beautiful tan skin, beautiful brown eyes, and the rest.
And this was such a proud day for me because when my grandson blew out the candles on his cake, they said, Did you make a wish?
And he said, Yes, I made a wish.
He said, Well, what is your wish?
He said, I wish I had brown skin and brown eyes like Antonio.
So beautiful.
So beautiful.
The beauty is in the mix.
The face of the future for our country is all-American.
And that has many versions.
tucker carlson
Imagine saying that.
unidentified
Kill her!
tucker carlson
Kill her!
Thought this through, but this is her own grandson.
And he turns to her and says, Grandma, I wish I wasn't born white.
I wish I was born with different eye color, different skin tone.
That's just something that I'm not.
I wish God didn't make me this way.
Imagine if your own grandson said that you would break your heart.
jordan holmes
Why?
What?
Huh?
tucker carlson
You would break your heart.
And it's only on this topic, I wish I wasn't white, that that's okay.
If her grandson had said, Grandmom, I wish I wasn't gay, she would have smacked him in the face with a ruler.
You were born gay.
Enjoy it.
But when he says, I wish I wasn't white, she says, you're right.
dan friesen
So this is a clip from an eight-hour speech that Nancy Pelosi gave in February 2018 when she was trying to stop House Republicans who wanted to get rid of DACA.
tucker carlson
Yeah.
dan friesen
This was two hours into the speech, which was mostly her reading accounts of people who benefited from DACA, hoping to illustrate for the GOP who their actions were meant to hurt.
jordan holmes
It's almost like they didn't care.
dan friesen
Nope.
It is true that Pelosi told the story about her grandson, but Tucker is playing this clip out of its full context.
She's saying this, it's not like out of nowhere.
Like she believes that there's something wrong with being white and there's something admirable about her grandson wanting to look like his friend Antonio.
That's not the point or the context.
This is a story that she tells after reading a letter from a DACA recipient who specifically talked about how stigmatized and alienated she felt in school because she had darker skin than her peers.
The point of Pelosi's story isn't that it's good that her grandson doesn't want to be white.
Darker Skin, Dangerous Context 00:02:46
dan friesen
It's that it's heartening to think that maybe children don't have as much bigotry being imprinted on them as the last generation did.
It's nice that her grandson sees a friend with darker skin and doesn't think that's weird or bad.
It's obvious why Tucker plays this kind of game with context, but the only thing that really matters is to understand that he's doing it because he wants the opposite.
He wants a world where his white children see kids at school with darker skin and think they're different.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
That's it.
jordan holmes
Thank God I'm not like them, the mongrels.
Which is basically, yeah, that's where we're at.
Why even bother with basically?
Just call, just say it, man.
I'm running out of gas on this motherfucker.
dan friesen
Yeah.
God damn.
It's a rough look.
I mean, like, that's what I was saying.
This is shocking.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
This, even, even by our standards, like, this is grim.
jordan holmes
I, I mean, I, I, I cannot imagine because I, because, you know, I've, I've thought about it.
I've thought about what it would be like to be in a George Wallace auditorium.
You know, like to be with those people, to be with people who are what we would call centrists now, frothing at the mouth hoping to kill black people, you know?
And it is, it is like, how?
How can you possibly fucking hear this and not go, this is a, this has to stop.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know?
dan friesen
I don't know how anyone could like hear this and not think you are fucking dangerous.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like this is dangerous shit.
Like try and displace yourself slightly in time and imagine listening to this 10 years after.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Like having some kind of hindsight and hearing, just imagining what kind of shit we might have on the horizon and how this is going to look in the prism of history.
It's just, I, I, I, yeah.
And it's all the George Wallace rally is comparable.
Yeah.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And it's all because one organ has less melanin and another organ, uh, a flesh tube that fills with blood is more preferable than a folds of flesh that filled with blood.
That's it.
That's our whole world.
dan friesen
That's a lot of it.
So there, I mean, like, I think that at this point, I think I should probably point out that like there is a part of me that worries that this is almost becoming like gore.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I, I wanted to look into like, okay, Alex had this response to Ice shooting someone.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
What's Tucker's response?
And then I hear it and I'm like, oh my fucking God.
I don't feel like I want to keep that to myself.
jordan holmes
Right.
Two Dads, One Reflection 00:03:55
dan friesen
But it feels like torture porn.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
After you've seen like three heads fly into the sky, there's, there's like, okay, we've seen enough.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You've said a lot of pretty explicit and overt stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
We're not trying to solve a mystery here.
jordan holmes
While still somehow in your own mind clinging to this wherever these white nationalists are.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Oh, I've never seen one.
jordan holmes
Motherfucker.
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
All my friends are so cool.
So anyway, Nancy Pelosi.
jordan holmes
How are we?
Fine, fine.
Let's do Nancy Pelosi.
unidentified
She sucks.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And man, it wouldn't work.
Like, she couldn't pull this shit if she was black.
tucker carlson
If she'd been black and gotten up and said, you know, my grandson said to me, my granddaughter had a white Barbie doll and said, Grandmom, I wish I had blonde hair and blue eyes.
All of us would say, well, that's awful.
God made you like this.
It's sad to want to be something that you're not.
You should be comfortable with the way you were made.
Isn't that a kind of foundational modern American belief?
Except when you're white, it's beautiful when you hate yourself.
That's what she's saying.
That's what she said on the house floor.
She became the speaker of the house twice.
dan friesen
That's not what she said.
This game that Tucker is playing only works because of the removal of context from Pelosi's clip.
She wasn't happy about whether or not her grandchild wanted to be white.
She was happy to see a reflection of tolerance in his acceptance of his friend.
Her grandchild doesn't see traits that would have drawn racist hate in the past as being bad and can actually imagine himself having those traits without being like, oh no, what would it be?
Oh no.
Conversely, the situation he's imagining where Pelosi is black and her grandchild says that she wants to be white, that's not a scenario that reflects tolerance.
That's a desire to be different than what she is rooted in succumbing to racist pressure.
It's a person giving up their connection to who they are in order to fit in.
It's easy to understand this if you just imagine like a situation where a kid has two dads.
In one version of the story, the kid has a friend who says, I wish I had two dads, which is pretty easy to understand, is not a reflection of that friend actually wanting his dad to be gay or a desire to be gay himself.
It's a kid whose friend has two dads who sees that as normal, saying the sort of stuff that kids say.
In the second version of this story, the kid with two dads says, I wish I didn't have two dads, which is very clearly a different thing.
That's a kid reflecting a desire to be seen as normal, where he thinks that having two dads alienates him from his peers.
They treat him differently, and he wished that wasn't the case.
You kind of have to be stupid to not understand the difference between these thoughts.
And that's the act that Tucker's trying to pull off.
tucker carlson
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And what's even more important, not only that those two are different, is that they are both rooted in the same thing that Tucker is doing, which is that the reason we have a reaction to the kid in one direction is because white people are the overwhelmingly dominant destructive force in the world of the United States.
And the reason that we look at the other context and go, well, that's no good, is because white people are the dominant force in the United fucking states.
Both of them are just the same, are different reactions to the same thing.
dan friesen
Yes.
The system that he's desperate to maintain and clang on to is the thing that exacerbates the negative parts of both of all of this.
jordan holmes
If you weren't so fucking racist, no one would care in either situation.
If you weren't so fucking racist, when that kid said, hey, I wish I had browner skin and brown eyes, everybody would be like, fucking yeah, you wish you could fly.
Who gives a shit?
Yeah, or the other kid, I wish I had blonde hair.
Don't we all?
It's smooth.
unidentified
Whatever.
jordan holmes
Who fucking cares?
Right?
It's only because Tucker is a racist that it matters in either situation.
dan friesen
Yep.
God damn it.
So anyway, Pelosi.
Why Gold Scams Attract Fans 00:02:45
jordan holmes
Yeah, what's she up to?
dan friesen
Man, she hates those white people so much.
tucker carlson
And by the way, that's not compassion.
That's hatred.
That's saying to a six-year-old, no, you were born the wrong way.
You are fundamentally flawed.
There's nothing you can do about it.
You're not as good as Antonio.
jordan holmes
And you never will be.
You piece of shit.
tucker carlson
There's hatred.
That is hatred.
And it expresses itself.
By the way, Nancy Pelosi is from Baltimore, and she grew up there when it was 85% white.
How is it now?
She doesn't go back very often, apparently.
Things around the world are moving so fast right now.
It's impossible to keep up with all of the changes.
But we do know that when those changes happen, markets change too.
And nothing changes faster than the price of precious metals, gold and silver.
It just shifts in an instant because it is a reaction to and against what's happening in the world.
So timing is essential.
dan friesen
So this ad that Tucker is doing for precious metals is for a company called Battalion Metals, which he co-owns.
It's weird because I think that anybody who's actually serious about precious metals doesn't need a Tucker Carlson gold company to get into the market.
So the only people this is even going to attract as customers are Tucker fans who get scared by his content and think that gold will protect them.
It's basically impossible for me to see this company in this ad as anything other than an explicit and knowing attempt to scam people.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
There's no way around it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it is.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's a scam.
Look at these, look at these people.
I can scam.
It is putting a bunch of people into an enclosed space and being like, holy shit, can you believe how easy it is to shoot fish in a barrel?
It's crazy.
dan friesen
I'm selling you non-woke tobacco pouches.
Well, I'll selling you gold.
jordan holmes
I'll eat that.
I'll put gold on it.
I don't want to be woke.
dan friesen
Amazon movies about Melania.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
I saw one of the dog telemedicine.
What was it?
I think MGM, their slogan used to be movies for movies' sake.
And I don't know if it might be, but I was watching it and the opening came up, you know, and the title card and the MGM, and it had movies for movie's sake.
And then Amazon Studios shows up right over top of it.
And I was like, boy, you guys got to get rid of that.
The movies for movie sakes has got to be gone now.
dan friesen
Yeah, movies for tax write-off sake.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
God, garbage.
Just a bunch of shit.
So anyway, buy that gold.
Incidentally, gold and silver prices just went real down.
On The Wrong Side 00:15:44
jordan holmes
Way down.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I bet that really hurt Tucker and all of his listeners were fine.
So anyway, Mamdani, he's the mayor of New York now.
Sure.
And his, you know, that lady who works for him on the renters thing, the head of the renters.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
She hates white people.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
unidentified
Yeah.
tucker carlson
The new head, his new rental authority lady said recently, white people own too much.
They should rent like everyone else.
Really?
That's not justice.
That's not equity.
That's hatred.
That's undisguised hostility toward people for how they look.
But because they are increasingly a defeated people, that's not only okay, it's encouraged.
You don't want to be on the wrong side of that.
Not because you're a white supremacist and love only white people.
That's insane.
God made every person.
Every human being was created by God, period.
It's not a matter of loving only people who look like you, loving only whites or blacks or whatever.
It's a matter of not hating people on the basis of how they were born.
But these dynamics don't change much because there's something in people that wants to crush and humiliate the vanquished every single time.
And you'd like to think that this nation is exceptional in the sense that that wouldn't happen here, but there's no evidence of it at all.
As whites become a smaller proportion of the U.S. population every year, louder become the calls to hate whites.
More open becomes the hatred, the hostility, the threats of violence.
Crimes against white people, like, well, I don't know.
The perpetrator was black.
You're white.
Every single American knows.
jordan holmes
That's what you got.
tucker carlson
Those crimes are not punished as vigorously or as harshly as the reverse.
Everyone knows that and accepts it.
dan friesen
It's not true that crimes against white people aren't treated the same by cops or the courts, but it's how Tucker feels.
And more importantly, how he wants the audience to feel.
So he just treats this like an unquestioned tenant of faith.
And apparently that AI blurb from earlier was too emotional.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think this is maybe the most nakedly racist piece of content that I've seen from someone as high profile as Tucker in the time that I've been doing this.
It may be hard to remember at this point, but this is his response to ICE shooting a woman in her car.
This is kind of crazy that he's not really talking about the specifics of that at all, choosing instead to abstractly defend ICE's right to terrorize the population because they're upholding the natural order Tucker demands exist where white people are the majority and have all the power.
And in order to, you know, not talk about that shooting, he will talk about the church, but the church protest was in response to the shooting.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I mean, I guess it really is all about the pitch.
The pitch to people that Tucker is looking for is this.
Yeah, I know.
You don't like that.
But what's better than what's worse?
No order?
Is that what you want?
So, yeah, you get, sure, sure, we murder a bunch of brown people and you feel bad about that.
But that's why you get to have a fucking mall with coals in it.
That's what you get.
That's the trade-off.
We kill the brown people.
You get your mall.
That's the whole pitch, right?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's basically it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, like, later on, he talks to the pastor or one of the pastors who's associated with that church.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he's literally defending all of this and being like, it's either Christ or chaos.
jordan holmes
There you go.
Yeah.
unidentified
That's it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's the pitch.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I mean, like, this is like maybe the fourth time so far in the episode that you have almost on the nose nailed clip we're going to play later.
jordan holmes
What is the worst thing that somebody could say?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I'll try that out.
Oh, it's what he says later?
Surprise.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's what a clergy member says later.
Awesome.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's great.
Yeah, I think there might be a battle over Christendom that Christendom is getting their ass kicked on.
dan friesen
So anyway, whites are treated unfairly by the law.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And this Minnesota, this situation in Minneapolis, it's really showing that.
jordan holmes
Yes.
tucker carlson
If there's no such thing as equality under the law, if you can be punished more lightly or more severely based on your race, your ethnicity, your religion, we're all in trouble.
All of us.
First of all, we're all degraded because that's the definition of immoral.
Blood guilt is not real, despite what our leaders tell us.
And it's totally possible that you and your group, your community, are going to wind up on the wrong side of that someday.
But for right now, it's very obvious that whites are on the wrong side of that.
And you can tell by the scope of the people at the ICE protest.
So this was Minneapolis just a couple of nights ago.
This is a bunch of, of course, primarily white, because Minneapolis, one of the last big cities in America with a sizable white population, running into a church and threatening the prisoners in the church.
dan friesen
I would suggest that there isn't a right side of that equation to be on.
If Tucker is obsessed with this saying that whites are on the wrong side of it, you don't want to be on the wrong side of it.
You also don't want to be on the right side of it because it's fucking garbage.
jordan holmes
I have made up an equation that allows me to kill people.
Do you want to be involved in any part of this equation?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
You don't want to be on that side, though.
jordan holmes
No, you definitely don't want to be on that side.
dan friesen
It's great.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Cool, man.
jordan holmes
What part of the Nazi equation do you want to be on?
The one where there's no Nazis.
dan friesen
Yeah, I'm not playing.
jordan holmes
No equation with Nazis in it is good.
dan friesen
Yeah, Matt's bad.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So it's important to understand that Tucker doesn't care about people being treated fairly under the law.
This is just his current version of an inarguable point that he's using to mask his actual argument.
And taking it seriously means the joke's on you.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Tucker says that Minneapolis is one of the last big cities in the United States with a sizable white population.
And to that I say, excuse me?
So Minneapolis is about 430,000 people and it's about 60% white.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Here's a list of U.S. cities with larger populations and higher percentages of white residents.
Virginia Beach, Omaha, Colorado Springs, Mesa, Albuquerque, Portland, Louisville, Denver.
And there are a ton that are fucking close.
jordan holmes
I was going to say, I could name about eight of them.
dan friesen
There's way more that are like right about at 60 or a little bit below.
Yeah.
And this is just bullshit.
Leaving aside that what Tucker's saying is inaccurate, it's also just an insane way to look at the world and communities.
And I reject it.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it is something that like his inarguable point should be the sign, if you're listening to this, that you don't want to listen to this.
Like the idea of if we're not equal under the law, we're all in trouble.
If you're not equal in race, we're all in trouble.
It's the same fucking thing.
dan friesen
Yeah, he doesn't seem to want to look at the power dynamics that he's discussing and thinking about like how they're corrupt and how we don't need them.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Instead, he just wants to be the killer as opposed to the killed.
And I think that sucks.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's cowardly.
And, boy, you'd think that the like based on the rest of his career and yeah, you'd think you'd do this.
Never mind.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, no, this is exactly what you'd expect.
It's just going to be, it's going to be a real bummer how many people are going to be allowed to say they didn't say shit like this.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
That's going to be the bummer.
Yep.
And I don't know.
I think we've gone so many times through this cycle of like, well, I know you said that shit, but it's too hard to re-litigate now where it's like, no, fuck you.
You said it.
Go fucking eat it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Go fuck yourself.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
dan friesen
I was thinking about that, like, there's no bridge back.
You're gone.
jordan holmes
You're eating off a toilet seat for the rest of your fucking life if I have anything to say about it.
dan friesen
So look, these protesters that went into that church.
unidentified
Yep.
They fucking hate God.
jordan holmes
I bet they do.
dan friesen
And whites.
jordan holmes
No, I bet they do.
tucker carlson
This is a bunch of, of course, primarily white, because Minneapolis, one of the last big cities in America with a sizable white population, running into a church and threatening the parishioners in the church.
And you've probably seen footage of this, but listen carefully to the clip you're about to hear.
And you can hear effectively racial epithets aimed at white people.
jordan holmes
So.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
Oh, no.
tucker carlson
And they hate whites.
White Christians.
Now, that's familiar.
Very familiar.
There's a lot of hatred toward white Christians.
Now, where does that come from?
jordan holmes
The stuff they've done.
tucker carlson
Obviously.
Spiritual at its root, like everything.
jordan holmes
Hispanic.
tucker carlson
I don't understand exactly why that group is targeted around the world, but we know that it is.
Certainly, that's one of the primary motives in going to war against Russia, destroying Ukraine.
dan friesen
So I just want to take a moment to reflect on how Tucker is very clearly saying that he believes that the devil is trying to destroy white Christians.
jordan holmes
Yes, that is exactly what he is saying right now.
dan friesen
I think that's how he should be treated, as someone who believes that.
jordan holmes
The devil's trying to kill white Christians.
There you go.
dan friesen
Yeah, dude.
jordan holmes
What a weird devil.
You got a very strange devil.
dan friesen
It's interesting because I was thinking about this too while I was getting this ready.
Is this really that different than Pat Robertson saying that gay people cause tornadoes?
jordan holmes
Nope.
Not at all.
dan friesen
It's not really.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
But Tucker doesn't think of himself as Pat Robertson.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
We just need to.
jordan holmes
Everybody.
unidentified
No, he is.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
No, it is.
It is that like Pat Robertson is not saying something that is outside on the fringes.
Pat Robertson is saying something that is inside, and other people mask that by saying other things.
Pat Robertson's belief that gay people cause hurricanes is identical to any other belief of like, oh, well, the reason I don't like gay people is because they degrade society or because they blankety blank.
It's not real.
None of it's real.
What's inside is the idea that gay people are wrong.
dan friesen
No, no, no.
I got you.
I got you.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, but that's what I'm, I agree with you.
dan friesen
Reason that I'm drawing the parallel to the hurricanes thing is that like it's less about the you know the hatred that's underneath it and more about the willingness to be a public figure who's talking about magic.
Yeah, that's more like that was something that like that was that was a pretty niche set that we all kind of laughed at.
Yeah, and I think that's where Tucker's positioning himself.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
I have such a strange history with that because I remember being asked by my church librarian to read the first Harry Potter book to make sure that there wasn't too much satanic imagery for the other kids to read about.
dan friesen
I mean, if someone's going to get cursed by the book, it might as well be you.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's like that in my childhood when I was like nine or whatever, that was okay.
That was like, oh, well, that's a reasonable ask.
We got to make sure that these kids aren't seeing magic, right?
Like, two points.
dan friesen
Yeah.
One, I don't think you should use your upbringing as a fair point.
jordan holmes
That's a fair point.
That's all I'm saying is I don't have the correct perspective on this to share with the common man, if you will.
dan friesen
But my second point on that is, yeah, there was some magical nonsense and bullshit in my religious upbringing too.
And I think that it's fine for some of that stuff to exist in like niche, weird religious stuff.
But Tucker is pretending to be political.
jordan holmes
Yeah, go fuck with snakes, man.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know?
dan friesen
Go be Texe Marrs.
jordan holmes
Stay out of politics and just be like, look at me hanging onto these snakes.
Now worship me.
That makes more sense to me.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So anyway, the West destroyed Ukraine because it's too Christian.
jordan holmes
Because it's too Christian.
That makes sense.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I'll buy that.
tucker carlson
Ukraine was destroyed by the West, by the way.
It was destroyed by Washington and Brussels, who pushed Russia into this war.
They wanted this war.
They said they wanted this war.
They got the war.
Very few of their people have been killed in the war, but hundreds and hundreds, likely over a million, Ukrainians have been killed in this war.
You think Ukraine will be majority Ukrainian in 100 years?
You think the land in Ukraine will be owned by Ukrainians in 20 years?
No, of course not.
It won't be Russia that did that.
It'll be the West.
And you have to wonder why.
Well, the fact that Ukraine was white and Christian, one of the last big concentrations of white Christians on the planet, maybe that has something to do with it.
Of course it did.
Obviously.
That's not a far-right conspiracy theory.
It's the truth.
dan friesen
This isn't a far-right conspiracy theory.
It's just boring old white identity Nazi shit.
Like, it's not new.
It's not fresh.
It's not interesting.
None of this shit means anything that's worth arguing about.
Like, what does Tucker even mean when he says that Ukraine is one of the last big white Christian countries?
Percentage-wise, countries like Romania and Armenia have more Christians than Ukraine.
And if he doesn't think those places are the right kind of white, then Tucker can go ahead and explain Poland.
This is just a white supremacist show.
Yeah.
There's no ifs, ands, or buts.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and it is so like we, the world's too big for this now because you can't pull this shit without exactly what you're saying.
Like, stop it with white.
What even is it?
Once you leave the United States's fucked up Nazi version of white, you know, that we've lived with as though that's fine from our beginning, right?
Then now you get into the world of whiteness and it's like, that could be fucking anything.
That could be fucking anything.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Why is it?
Why aren't there Egyptians white?
Like, it's a fucking bullshit of all of this.
dan friesen
Well, it's absurd.
Let's approach this from another angle, too.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
dan friesen
What is Christian?
jordan holmes
Right?
I'll tell you what.
dan friesen
Some countries are 90-something percent Christian, and Tucker probably thinks it's like three.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because those aren't real Christians.
jordan holmes
I'll tell you what.
I would be shocked if I'm going to go through my book again.
I've read it a few times, but I've read the Bible a few times.
And I would be shocked if, oh yeah, and I should totally be a pastor is in there.
I'd be shocked.
dan friesen
You know what else is shocking?
How much of that book is about white people and how much they need to be in control of governments?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that was basically all of the 2 Thessalonians was about, right?
It was like, hey, buddy, whiteness over everything.
dan friesen
And everyone was shocked because first Thessalonians?
Don Lemon's Protest Clip 00:15:32
dan friesen
Naughty by the way.
jordan holmes
Not at all.
Like, it was like the letter that they sent back must have been fucking crazy because the one he followed up with, ah, crazy sophomore effort.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Tucker said that this protester who went into the church basically was throwing out some white epithets.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Throwing out some slurs.
jordan holmes
That's right.
I was interested to know which ones we were going to deal with.
dan friesen
Well, I'm going to, this clip is like almost three minutes long and I'm playing it in its entirety.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Not because it's interesting.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
But because Tucker said that and I don't want to look like I'm editing something out.
tucker carlson
So the same attitudes that did that, that are at work in Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and very much here in the United States were sort of distilled in the clip you're about to see from a church a couple of days ago in Minneapolis.
Watch this.
william kelly
Renee, good.
Renee good.
unidentified
Where are you?
william kelly
Where are you?
Where are your people?
Why are you not at Whipple every day fighting for the humanity, standing for our people?
Where are you?
You drink your coffee, you got your jewelry, you have your nice clothes, but what do you do?
What do you do to stand up for your Somali and Latino communities?
unidentified
I'm not going to comment.
william kelly
You have no comment.
unidentified
Exactly.
william kelly
Rene, good!
All these comfortable white people who are living lavish, comfortable lives while children are dragged into concentration camps.
You're living real life, nice lives with your lattes, doing absolutely nothing for your Latino and Somali brothers and sisters.
You come here to a man wearing a suit is a preacher?
Did Jesus wear a suit?
Did Jesus profit off the words?
unidentified
No.
william kelly
Jesus would die within others.
You can die.
Touch me.
You can touch me again and see what happens.
unidentified
Hey, you can't leave me.
william kelly
You are a fake Christian.
Why are you not standing with your Somali and Latino communities?
Why do I not see you out at Whipple every day protesting this attack on humanity?
Where are you?
You're sinners.
You're pretending to be Christians.
But we know you live an easy life, don't you?
A very easy life while people are starving.
Shame.
tucker carlson
Man.
Is that man capable of violence?
Well, he's committing it, of course.
Disrupting a church service, people who are committing no crime.
We've done nothing wrong, screaming at him for being white Christians.
That's it right there.
That's it right there.
And you should know that that's not the last clip like that you're going to see, not just tonight, but in the future, because that's the animating spirit behind what you're watching.
No one is making an economic case for mass migration.
Nobody is making an economic case for keeping tens of millions of illegals in this country because there isn't an economic case for it.
There is no case that begins with, let me tell you how this will make our country better.
No one even makes that case.
The case they're making is we are replacing the people who founded this country, who built the system for themselves, by the way, with a brand new people who have very little in common with those people.
And why are we doing that?
Because we hate those people.
dan friesen
So, epithets.
jordan holmes
I was expecting at least a honky.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
I was expecting a honky.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because a cracker is not even.
That's not.
That doesn't even count.
dan friesen
I was underwhelmed.
jordan holmes
That was pathetic.
dan friesen
If Tucker thinks that's racist against white people, then the only thing I can say is that Tucker is the softest little baby on earth.
jordan holmes
Yeah, come on.
dan friesen
And I made clear earlier that I think that a protest disrupting a church service is a dicey call, and I can respect some criticism of that.
So my feeling about his softness is even taking that into consideration.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I feel like I'm saying it after every clip, but it's just like, it feels shocking what Tucker is like.
He just thinks he can get away with anything because he can.
jordan holmes
I mean, come on, man.
It is, it is like, how, what is it?
What is it in the brain?
Because there's got to be something.
What is it in the brain that will allow you to be primed?
You know, like that, that Tucker saying, oh, they even shouted racial epithets towards white people.
And they fucking didn't.
But after that clip was played in its entirety, everybody who's a fan of Tucker listening to it was like, I can't believe they would shout such white racial epithets.
dan friesen
You know, I felt scared.
jordan holmes
Like, there is a priming somewhere that I just, I don't have it, man.
dan friesen
No.
And I think that, yeah, I think slick media is good at getting you to think whatever you have just heard or whatever you're hearing is like confirmation of what was just said.
Yeah.
And yeah, I don't know.
I mean, I think it's just his gift.
jordan holmes
And then there's that appeal to authority where it's like, well, he said it, so I maybe misheard it because he's the authority on the whole thing or whatever it is.
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And you know what?
Like, I'm willing to say that that priming element is part of it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I think some of it, people like in his audience, just would think those were epithets.
They really are just that soft.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they're weak.
That's that.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I think I'm going to skip this clip because it's Tucker complaining about Don Lemon because Don Lemon was along to the protest.
He was reporting on the protest.
jordan holmes
All right, fine.
dan friesen
You know what?
No.
I'm calling it all.
I am going to play it.
unidentified
Good.
dan friesen
This Don Lemon guy hates white people.
jordan holmes
All right.
tucker carlson
And it's not just deranged protesters who are making that case.
So our former CNN anchors.
Here's Don Lemon, who was part of that protest.
He was covering it in the way that journalists often cover events.
They help organize.
jordan holmes
Not like Nick Sorts' events.
tucker carlson
They're their foot soldiers.
We're just covering it.
Okay.
Here's Don Lemon going on some podcast with angry middle-aged rich ladies to talk about how virtuous it is to scream at whites in Minneapolis.
Watch this.
don lemon
There's a certain degree of racism there, and there's a certain degree of entitlement.
I think people who are, you know, in religious groups like that, it's not the type of Christianity that I practice, but I think that they're entitled and that entitlement comes from a supremacy, a white supremacy.
And they think that this country was built for them, that it is a Christian country when actually we left England because we wanted religious freedom.
It's religious freedom, but only if you're a family.
It's not a Christian and only if you're a white male.
unidentified
Huh.
tucker carlson
I mean, it's hard to, you don't ever want to take Don Lemon literally because he's disconnected from reality.
And you can say, well, actually, he's got a white boyfriend and he lives in the Hamptons.
Who's entitled here?
But it's fruitless, and it diminishes you to rebut a Don Lemon rant to some facelift lady on the specifics because the specifics don't matter because it doesn't make any sense.
It doesn't need to make sense.
All you need to understand is the spirit behind it, which is hate.
Hate and resentment and the desire for revenge.
That's what this is.
And there's no other explanation that anyone's even offered up of the desire for revenge yourself.
And so, really, it's time to just be completely honest.
This is an act of hatred and aggression toward the population of the United States, American citizens, people who were born here, people whose grandparents were born here.
They are hated by the people in charge and have been for a long time.
And the plan, which is pretty close to completion, actually, it's not a distant goal.
It's like almost here, is to replace them, render them powerless.
And if people like Don Lemon have any say over it, hurt them.
Just listen to what they say.
You don't have to conspiracy theorize.
Just open your eyes and listen, and you can tell what they have planned for you because it's happened in a lot of places.
It always happens.
And so these are fights worth having, actually, because it's not about preserving racial purity.
It's about preserving your country in recognizable form, preserving your life and the lives of your children.
dan friesen
It's fascinating how explicit Tucker is comfortable being now.
He feels like having less white people around him is somehow doing him harm.
And there's no reason that a person should have to harm themselves.
So he's entitled to support forcefully removing immigrants from the country.
At the end there, Tucker says that this isn't about racial purity.
It's about preserving the country so it's recognizable for your children.
This isn't him saying that he disagrees with the people arguing for racial purity.
It's him giving a slightly different spin.
If you want to forcefully impose a white majority on the population so the blood stays pure, that sounds racist.
But if you want to forcefully impose a white majority on the population so you can keep power away from people who look different than you, that's cool and political.
I do agree with him, though.
This is a fight worth having.
It's not an argument worth having, but if he wants to fight, I think I'd fight him.
jordan holmes
Well, if one argument, if we're having an argument and on one side, somebody says, see, white people are like Bill and the rest of the world is Beatrix Kiddo, then the other side of the argument is, go home, go home, stay there, and just watch your movies by yourself.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I also love, I fucking can't get enough of like, Don Lemon lives in false reality.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
I was attacked by a demon.
I'm so connected with reality.
I woke up with claw marks from the devil on me.
jordan holmes
I just, I just, I, like, I chose the moment you said Tucker to try and avoid the, even at the beginning with his run on sentence, to try and be like, hey, listen, this pot calls kettles fucking black.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
You just got to let that go.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Move on.
This is a black pot calling that kettle black as shit.
That's what it is.
That's what we're doing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
There's a lot of real projecting gaslight on.
jordan holmes
Oh, man, you gaslighting piece of shit.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Also, Don Lemon got arrested for reporting on that church protest.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, there you go.
dan friesen
I have no idea what higher consequence Tucker wants the government to impose on him beyond violating his First Amendment rights.
You know, those rights that were so important back when Tucker needed to defend his slur buddy.
jordan holmes
Super important.
dan friesen
Yeah, man.
unidentified
What is this?
jordan holmes
Can you imagine demonetizing somebody's YouTube channel just for something they said?
Just for something they said.
And now look, now look at what happens.
Now I can cheer as the government beats Don Lemon up for a day.
Great.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Because he hates white people.
jordan holmes
Because he hates white people.
Jesus Christ, man.
dan friesen
So anyway, a white guy comes on.
jordan holmes
I swear to you.
I swear to you.
I hate white people more than anybody else.
dan friesen
Nancy Pelosi?
jordan holmes
Way more.
unidentified
Wow.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Nick Sortor comes on.
Yeah.
And he's got some breaking news that actually he kind of debunks himself.
tucker carlson
Nick, can you, first of all, thank you for doing that.
This is a true public service, I think, to bring this to the public.
What did we just see?
Can you give some context?
nick sortor
Yeah, so Tucker, what I'll tell you is this happened not far from downtown Minneapolis.
So there are police everywhere all the time, right?
I mean, it's a pretty concentrated area with police.
And these rioters had two hours, two hours to go through multiple FBI vehicles.
There's another vehicle that was parked right behind this one where they were able, they had enough time and they weren't worried about Minneapolis police showing up.
So they took a toe strap out of the back of a pickup truck, mounted it to and tied it around the weapons locker in the other vehicle, mounted it to the pickup truck and yanked it out that way.
And they're not worried at all about any repercussions from Minneapolis PD.
As soon as it happened, I went over to Minneapolis PD, who I figured out were about a block away from there, and I gave them the information.
I gave them the description of the individual.
I gave them the video.
I let them take a picture of the person's face.
I gave them the license plate number, as well as the car that he was in.
This guy that just stole not just a rifle, but a select fire rifle, an automatic rifle from an FBI vehicle.
They chose not to go after the vehicle that they could see down the street.
He hadn't even left yet.
But these cowards that are at the higher ranks of MPD, they're under people like Jacob Fry, who was basically Mayor's soyboy.
That's what I prefer to call him at this time.
unidentified
Got him.
nick sortor
Got him.
They've been cucked.
I don't know how else to say it, Tucker.
If you knew in a city in, let's say, rural Georgia that somebody just stole an automatic rifle and you see them in your sites, those sheriff's departments are going to go after them immediately.
They're not going to let them get away.
dan friesen
So by the time Nick is doing this interview, the guy who stole the gun in that video had already been apprehended.
He's over here on Nazi chat shows whining about how no one's doing anything and all the lib cops are cucked when someone had actually done something already.
Also, it was an FBI guy's guns.
This may be a federal crime.
It might not be something that the local cops could even deal with.
jordan holmes
I mean, so many problems.
dan friesen
I get that Nick Sortor is very scandalized by this crime, but it's not that uncommon for guns to get stolen from cops.
The Trace reported in 2018 that they'd reviewed records from, quote, more than 100 law enforcement agencies and found that they had collectively reported the loss or theft of at least 1,781 guns between 2008 and 2017.
Four of those guns were fully automatic machine guns.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
One of the guns, not one of the machine guns, just one of the guns, was actually taken from a high school bathroom where a cop just left it.
jordan holmes
That'll happen.
dan friesen
In a high school bathroom.
jordan holmes
I mean, you can't train everybody.
dan friesen
Of all those 1,781 guns, the outlet could only confirm that 239 of them had been recovered.
tucker carlson
Sure.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
So a lot of those went missing.
jordan holmes
I think the point we're trying to get here is there's just so many fucking guns that the government can lose a thousand of them and be like, eh, we'll replace it.
dan friesen
I'm not saying that if you steal a gun from a cop's car, you shouldn't get arrested.
It's just not something that requires suspending the Constitution unless you're a fucking baby or you're just desperate to try and find the justification to suspend the Constitution.
Nick Sortor sounds like a fucking baby.
In fact, I know somebody in Missouri from when I was growing up.
jordan holmes
Who stole a cop's gun?
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Stole a gun right out of a cop's car.
And here's the thing: I was thinking about it, and I don't remember how that story ends.
So I think he got away with it.
Why Most Crimes Aren't Dramatic 00:05:06
dan friesen
I mean, because I think he'd be dead if he didn't.
jordan holmes
We should write it that he did get away with it.
dan friesen
I don't think he's dead.
jordan holmes
Then there we go.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Works for me.
dan friesen
I feel like there would be a dramatic end to the story if he didn't get away with it, right?
jordan holmes
I mean, I don't know.
Most people don't.
Listen, most crimes aren't that bad.
Like, if that makes sense, you know, like, even with most crimes, you could still have a conversation with somebody and they'd be like, yeah, you're right.
I probably shouldn't have fucked up like that.
dan friesen
Oh, dead.
jordan holmes
Like, that's most crimes.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
This guy was like, what the fuck did I do?
Like, very quickly after.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
If somebody had come up to him and been like, you steal that gun, he'd have been like, it was a huge fuck up.
I am so sorry.
That's most crimes.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Very few people who commit crimes are also like, yeah, and I'm going to fucking kill you.
dan friesen
Nobody does that.
Not a lot.
Anyway, what I'm saying is that maybe he should look at things in perspective.
jordan holmes
Maybe.
dan friesen
And now, granted, I think that I try to be as fair as I can.
And if there were some kind of like, you know, right-wing protest that was going on and like they had stolen a gun out of like at the Malhur Wildlife Refuge.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
If they'd stolen an FBI agent's gun, I don't think you need to send in the military.
I think you probably should arrest that person.
That's a crime they committed, but like, I don't know.
jordan holmes
I mean, most crimes could probably be solved the next day by like knocking on their door or calling ahead, being like, hey, come on, we know you committed that crime.
You want to negotiate this better?
dan friesen
Yeah.
Can we just mulligan this one?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, hey, listen, you get to give us the gun back, and we get to give you not a 10-year criminal sentence.
How about that?
dan friesen
We all fucked up.
jordan holmes
You stole the gun, and I shouldn't have let you steal that gun.
dan friesen
Boom.
jordan holmes
That is on me.
dan friesen
So, anyway, I'm going to cut through some of Nick Sortor's bullshit because basically he's just wanting the army to come in.
Sure.
jordan holmes
Well, that'll help.
dan friesen
Crush everyone.
unidentified
Yeah.
Right?
nick sortor
I mean, these FBI agents that are out there, like FBI agents, DHS agents, they're not trained in crowd control, right?
That's not their job, but there are federal resources to handle that.
And we're not using them.
We're putting them on standby.
And I'm sorry, like, I'm a big supporter of the Trump administration.
I think they're doing a fantastic job, but I'm a little worried that we're sleeping on what's actually going on in Minneapolis because some polls came out saying that, oh, well, some people don't approve of what's going on with ICE operations.
And so, like, the administration is a little bit fearful, I think I'll say, of deploying troops into the streets to restore order because they don't like the poll numbers that are coming out.
And you know what?
80 million people voted for this to happen, right?
I personally think maybe those poll numbers, if they're even real, some of the reason that people say they're not approving of the job that ICE is doing is because they're not deporting enough people.
unidentified
Oh, of course.
nick sortor
Right?
You go and talk to people in Middle America.
I'm from Kentucky originally, Tucker, right?
So I gauge my dad, who's an HVAC technician down there and all his friends.
I try to get their opinion on just people that are just normal, everyday blue-collar people.
And they're all saying the same thing.
Like, they're not seeing any arrests.
They're not seeing the deportations that they were asking for.
So if the poll numbers are dropping, that has a lot to do with it.
Not because people think that ICE is being too aggressive.
So I think those numbers are being misinterpreted.
dan friesen
See, this is how you can tell that Nick Sortor is a journalist who does the work.
He gets the big picture.
Trump's poll numbers are going down after federal agents shot a woman in the face.
And his suspicion is that maybe the approval rating is dropping because they aren't being aggressive enough.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that's not just something he imagined.
He talked to his dad and his dad's friends in Kentucky to really gauge the average American, see what they think about this.
jordan holmes
Because you can't trust those polls.
No.
They're fucking selectively biased.
They choose a specific group of people who all share a very similar background and region and growth and skin color and my dad.
dan friesen
Yeah.
These polls fail to capture the related to me demographic.
Fucking asshole.
jordan holmes
If they're even real.
I talked to my dad and he said, great.
You know, I was thinking about this, listening to those two talk, and then I thought, like, all of our movies about World War II have the Nazis, you know, with their uniforms and looking very imposing.
But I'm listening to them and I'm thinking, the reason you got to have a Hitler or a Trump is because the rest of the people are fucking dorks.
They're these dorks.
That's who the Nazis really were.
They got a lunatic to headbang for a while, and that got people on board.
But these are the dorks.
These are the dorks who get concentration camps and shit like that.
Little whiny, like, I talked to my dad.
Fuck off.
These are the dorks.
Choice Between Christ or Chaos 00:15:06
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Steve Miller.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
All downstream.
Just fucking dorks all the way down.
jordan holmes
Losers.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yep.
So I'm going to skip past this next clip because it's just Tucker being like, where are the people who took out Maduro when you need them?
Like, what?
jordan holmes
Wow.
Well, all right.
So we're doing that.
dan friesen
You can overthrow Venezuela and you can't suppress a city.
You can't take over an American city.
jordan holmes
Come on.
It is actually pretty hard to take over in an American city.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So after Nick Sortor leaves, Tucker has another guest.
And it is this guy from that church.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
But not really.
unidentified
Oh.
dan friesen
He's a guy who started that church and then now isn't there anymore.
joe rigney
Oh, that's smart.
tucker carlson
Can we played you that footage of the protesters attacking people in church for being white and Christian?
That was in St. Paul, I think, City's Church in St. Paul, Minnesota.
Joe Rigny is one of the founders of that church, I believe.
And I hope he'll pardon me if I've mangled any of his bio, but he joins us now.
Joe, thanks so much for doing this.
Tell us about what happened at that church.
joe rigney
Yeah, so that's my former church.
I was a planting pastor at the church.
I'm no longer there.
I live in Idaho now.
dan friesen
So I take back what I said earlier about the protest at that church being an iffy choice.
I fully take it all back.
There clearly was more of a reason that they chose that location for a demonstration than meets the eye.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Joe Rigny is a pastor who came to some national attention for writing a book about how empathy can be a sin and also for getting the boot from the Bethlehem College and Seminary for his ties to Christian nationalism.
Sure.
After that, he moved to Idaho where he now works with another pastor who Tucker has interviewed named Doug Wilson.
And they run what Politico has described as a, quote, theocratic regime in a small town there.
jordan holmes
That's nice.
dan friesen
If this is the guy who founded the city's church in Minnesota, then it's very clear that that's a place that preaches Christian nationalism.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And that makes it much more of a political target for a protest than a regular congregation.
Yeah, I was willing to give all kinds of latitude, and it is not earned.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, you put a swastika in a church.
That's on you.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It is no longer deserved.
Nope.
The care and concern that I was trying to give this story.
Or maybe I'm wrong.
jordan holmes
You could be.
dan friesen
Because this Joe guy.
jordan holmes
Well, let's see what he has to say about it.
dan friesen
You know what he has to say about it?
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
This is a normal church.
jordan holmes
Oh, good.
dan friesen
So normal.
jordan holmes
I bet it is.
joe rigney
And so you see the escalating violence on the left of normal Christian people.
And I just want to think I want to underscore that piece of it.
These are not political activists.
This is not a political church.
These are normal Bible-believing evangelicals.
The mission of the church, the way that they talk since the beginning when we planted the church and they've continued this is real basic.
They have a number of very clear priorities, what they care about.
And if you asked any of them, they would say, we're here because we want to worship Jesus.
He's the most, he's real.
Jesus is real.
And he's the most important person in the universe.
He's the only hope of the world.
There's salvation in no one else.
You're going to want to tell you that.
And then they're going to say, we want to love each other as Christians.
And then they're going to say, and we're here to seek the good of these cities.
We've not given up on these cities.
dan friesen
And we're normal.
I hate that this is a situation we're in, because I was more than willing to give the benefit of the doubt that this is kind of no good to protest in a way that disrupts a church service.
But this guy's laying it on too thick for this not to be trolling.
One thing that normal churches don't usually say is we're totally a normal church.
That's usually the kind of thing you hear from big-time weirdos and creeps who are hiding behind religion.
I'll be the first to admit that I don't know enough about the city's church to make any kind of authoritative statement on what does or doesn't go on there.
But the criticism that they've received over the years and the criticism that Joe Rigny has received about his theology does not just come from the left.
He was part of a Baptist organization and he preached a couple things that were out of line with standard doctrine.
One of the issues was the Christian nationalism piece, but another major problem had to do with baptizing children.
Child baptism is a messy question among different Christian faiths because regardless of whether or not you think it's important, you kind of have to think that the other side is damning children to hell.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
No matter which side you're on, you're like, oh, those people.
Many Protestant denominations support child baptism, but the Baptists typically hold to the belief that there's not something magical about baptism and that a person is saved by God's grace before or after baptism.
It's all the same.
So it's reserved for a person after they can make a credible affirmation of their own faith.
jordan holmes
It's a social thing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's for demonstrating to the community that you have become one of them.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's what it is.
dan friesen
Rigny has supported the recognition of child baptisms, which is out of step with the Baptists and was part of him having to run off to this cult in Ohio.
unidentified
Yeah, that was.
dan friesen
Or Idaho, excuse me.
I've dug around a little bit and I've come to the conclusion that everything points to this is a political church.
The criticism of it long predates this protest.
The people who are pointing fingers at this guy who seeded, planted the church.
It's not all just coming from left-wing people.
There's Christian criticisms as well.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
America's history with Christianity is really interesting because it is a massive amalgamation of like low-level cults, left and right.
But the only way to get through American society with your cult intact is to say that you're Christians.
You know, like the Mormons somehow got through the like, they got over the hill because they almost got murdered.
dan friesen
Yeah, there are a ton of groups that all consider themselves Christians that have less in common than social clubs and a Christian organization.
Totally.
jordan holmes
100%.
dan friesen
It's a very, it's a, it's a tough, it's a tough adjective now.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Tucker is like, hey, man, this, this protest, they were trying to attack Jesus.
jordan holmes
Sure.
tucker carlson
But and I don't think we should make a mistake.
Jesus was the target.
It's not that they're an ICE agent who they could have hassled at his house or at his job or whatever.
jordan holmes
White Jesus, to be clear.
tucker carlson
I'm sure you've seen the famous photograph from the Spanish Civil War, the opening months of the Spanish Civil War, where the communist forces surround a statue of Jesus and open fire on it, a statue, because they were more straightforward then.
Like, that's the enemy.
And I do think it puts it in the right frame.
dan friesen
To Tucker, this probably makes total sense.
These protests were targeting and trying to take down Jesus because to him, one of Jesus' most important issues is protecting the feelings of white dudes.
tucker carlson
Of course.
dan friesen
It's attention-grabbing and maybe a bit sensational to protest at a church, but it's also not something that never happens.
Regardless of whether or not the act of protesting at a church service is acceptable, the protesters in this case were there to confront Christians with their own standards.
These were Christians saying, how can you profess to hold this faith and do nothing while this shit's going on?
The aim wasn't to tear down Jesus.
It was to tear down the idea that Jesus would support ICE.
The disconnect is that Tucker and his ilk genuinely think that Jesus would be a white nationalist and that Christians who don't agree with them aren't really following Jesus.
Protesters saying that Jesus wouldn't support ICE is the same to him as them saying Jesus isn't real.
It feels the same to him because they're both a refutation of something he holds sacred.
And until he deals with that honestly.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you know, we've talked about this, I think you and I off air more, but it is a fundamental disrespecting of somebody else's beliefs to not meet them where they are.
If you are coming to somebody who believes that Jesus was a white nationalist, it is exactly as disrespectful for you to be like, well, that's not what your God believes as it is for them to say that it's not what your God believes.
You're just realizing that you're in conflict and that there is no getting over it.
So the choice is either to conflict or to leave.
There's not a like, no, you're just misunderstanding your God.
Buddy, they are not.
dan friesen
Yeah, and it would be silly for us to sit here and be like, all right, you're expressing the points that you're saying.
And here's what I think you really mean by that.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You know, like, no, you're, you're expressing a whiteness that is essential to your religious and spiritual identity.
And that is, I have to take you at your word.
jordan holmes
That's what you say.
dan friesen
Because it's awful.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
You're the one willing to say it, so I'm willing to believe it.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So this pastor, he goes on to say what I mentioned earlier, which is this idea that he has that it's either Christ or chaos.
tucker carlson
So if I'm hearing this right, chaos just by itself is a marker of evil.
joe rigney
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
It's Christ or chaos.
Those are the two options.
Like those are like the basic options in America today.
It's Christ or chaos.
You either get the decay, the disorder, the lawlessness, or we turn to Jesus and he puts everything back together.
Like he puts you back together individually.
Like you get forgiven for your sins and you get sanctified.
You get made holy.
You get healed and restored.
And then he puts together our families, the brokenness there.
He puts together our communities.
He puts together our nation.
You know, listening to your monologue at the front of the hour, it just struck me.
You're describing sort of the balkanization of the United States and this mass demographic transformation.
I think that's a subject that many evangelicals are uncomfortable with, quite honestly.
I've been an evangelical my whole life and it's uncomfortable for them to even think about or talk about.
But thinking about it, it's like, what's the hope then?
And I think the only hope is, well, everybody needs to turn to Jesus and then we can sort it out.
But if we don't turn to Jesus, we're just going to fight and we're going to devour each other.
unidentified
Is that?
joe rigney
Because that's what you're doing.
unidentified
I'm sorry.
joe rigney
Apart from Christ, that's what human beings do.
Is that where envy, rivalry, pride, selfish ambition, that's human nature in its sort of sinful state?
And so the only hope is we got to turn away from that.
And then, okay, now we've got millions of people from different ethnic groups and we've got all these things.
How are we going to sort it out?
Well, Jesus has to be at the center of that or it won't happen.
It can't happen.
All you're going to get is more of this violence.
Like, that's the basic hope.
dan friesen
Oh, man.
I wonder what Jesus will say later.
jordan holmes
Man, whenever he was like, hey, do I not feed the birds?
Do I not clothe them?
No, I fucking don't.
I only feed the white ones.
You massage my feet.
That sounds right.
dan friesen
I mean, honestly, I laughed when I first heard this play on the episode.
Like, let's make everyone Christians, then we'll figure out the right stuff.
jordan holmes
I mean, like, what?
What in God's name do you think you are saying?
dan friesen
Man.
jordan holmes
It's because.
It's pretty remarkable.
That is gaslighting of a behavior that I've never even seen before.
You really do have to become a full-on theocrat of your own small town in order to get to, listen, I love everybody who's Christian.
So if we just make all the races Christian, I'll only get rid of four.
You know, like, get the fuck out of here, man.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It sounds incredibly stupid if you're listening to this and you're not a member of that congregation.
jordan holmes
But if you, if you're one of a few hundred people who are terrified that this guy is going to exile you or worse, then that sounds genius.
dan friesen
Sure.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So we got one last clip here, and it's this pastor fella making an appeal to the prodigal among the audience.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
Come home.
unidentified
Okay.
Come on.
jordan holmes
I've been gone a long time.
tucker carlson
Buddhism is a product of nature.
It's the default setting in people.
It inevitably becomes violent.
It's a sadomasochistic dynamic always, and someone is on the wrong end of it.
And the only way to avoid that is Jesus.
That's my view.
joe rigney
That's absolutely true.
It's absolutely true.
And it's the solution to the kind of mob violence that we see, right?
People always look for scapegoats.
They want to find someone to blame for all their problems.
And because they have problems, and they don't want to, if they can't admit that the biggest problem in the universe is me, like my biggest problem is me, right?
Like I think I heard someone say that one time.
And my biggest problem is me.
And if they can't admit that, then they're going to start blaming everybody.
And eventually they get enough people sharing their grievance that they're going to go take it out.
And we saw that on Sunday.
And so the only hope is own it, acknowledge like I'm the problem and God still loves me.
He sent Jesus to die for my sins, for goodness sake.
And so he's welcoming me back.
Like you can be the prodigal.
And I, and I just, again, as a pastor, thank you for having me on.
And I just want to say to the people listening, like, if you're the prodigal, if you're running away, whether you're a leftist or right-wing or non-committal or whatever, I don't care.
Like, if you're the prodigal running away from God, like you can come home.
Like he left the light on.
He's got a really nice robe.
unidentified
Ah.
jordan holmes
He's a seating calf.
joe rigney
He'll throw a big party because he loves you.
So you can just come back.
You don't have to keep running.
And if everybody would do that, like if God would be gracious to this nation and people would turn back to Christ, and I mean, turn back to Christ.
Then we could, then we could talk.
Then the political stuff, it wouldn't work itself out.
It'd still be bumps.
And we'd still have to work it out.
unidentified
Amen.
joe rigney
But we'd have a foundation to build on.
And so that really is the basic, the basic choice before us individually, the basic choice before us as a nation.
It's Christ or it's chaos.
There is no third option.
There isn't one.
That's all you got.
tucker carlson
It's true for every person.
Joe Rigny, thank you.
I really appreciate you coming on and putting that into perspective.
And I appreciate your wisdom.
Thank you.
joe rigney
Hey, thanks for having me, Tucker.
I appreciate it.
tucker carlson
Thanks.
dan friesen
So I agree with some of the stuff that Joe's saying there.
I just think that all the ways he describes the left apply much more closely to Tucker.
If there were only two options and they're Christ or chaos, then in all meaningful ways, Christ is synonymous with order.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Christ is the same as submission to the state because to rebel or protest against things Trump's government is doing, that would be an act of sowing chaos.
It's Christ or chaos.
There is no third option.
jordan holmes
You can't choose chaos because that's choosing not Christ.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
It's evil in and of itself.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
This is not the kind of argument you heard much when Obama was in office or during COVID.
jordan holmes
Weird.
dan friesen
When the CDC was recommending you wear a mask and social distance, it wasn't a choice between Christ or chaos.
And in fact, a lot of folks like Alex and Tucker believed that it was a Christian's responsibility to stand up and be chaotic.
Christ Or Chaos 00:04:03
jordan holmes
So weird.
dan friesen
On and after January 6th, it wasn't a choice between Christ and chaos.
I have no ill will towards people who are religious, but this isn't religion.
This is using Jesus as a weapon against people who are inclined to seek comfort in faith.
If you want to make your religious convictions about maintaining the white birth rate and carrying water for federal agencies terrorizing immigrants, that's your prerogative.
But I don't think you can expect people to not call your beliefs a racist cult.
Christianity isn't a racist cult, but your shit is.
Christians are trying to call out these people as not representing what they believe Christianity to be.
And you hear a lot of that in the wake of this church protest.
It's my feeling that as a non-Christian, it would be pretty condescending for me to think that I can police their community and say what's acceptable for them or not.
But with the rise of this kind of Christian nationalist white identity theology, we have been seeing like responsible Christians step up and try to draw a line.
I'm not sure if it's all been successful, but there are people who are voicing that.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And I think that's great.
There's something kind of encouraging about that.
Like Nancy Pelosi's grandson not wanting to be white.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
You know, it's an encouraging sign.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, it is, it is a, it is a shitter get off the pot time, right?
Like if you want to have a like quote-unquote Christianity that stands for a specific set of values, then you have to personally go get your boys.
You can't be having Christians out there doing shit like this.
dan friesen
Or there has to be a very clear, like, seismic break in the church.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
There has to be a new religion.
jordan holmes
Either you have to say, these guys are not us and we are kicking them out for good, they're excommunicated, or you have to leave.
If these are the people in charge of your religion, it is not your religion.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Those are your options.
dan friesen
I don't know if I agree with you totally because, like, what do you do?
Like, how can you leave if you truly believe in the Christian faith?
jordan holmes
Anywhere two or more of you gather, my man.
dan friesen
Oh, well, okay.
If you mean leave that church where there's a nice pastor, well, you gotta leave.
jordan holmes
You gotta leave the concept of the Christian heterodox, if you will.
dan friesen
I think that that's a more, it's easier said than done.
jordan holmes
I agree with it.
dan friesen
It's very complicated.
So I don't want to be like, I don't want to be telling people their business.
Sure.
But I do agree that you're at a fork in the road.
Yeah.
And down one side is religion, and down another side is using religion to justify this white nationalist Christian identity bullshit.
And I, you know, I've said it a bunch of times already, but like this episode was fucking bad.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's bad.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Well, I mean, but that's that's the problem, right?
And that's the reason that it is a Christian's responsibility to police Christianity.
Because I can't, I'm not going to trim the hedges for you.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's not my job.
I'm not here to tell you what is and is not Christian.
And if you are going to be a Christian bloc and those people are in charge, then they are using you as a majority.
The only reason that we have a religious right in this country is because 10% of the religious people exploit the 90% who don't really give a shit about any of that.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
You know?
dan friesen
I agree with just the caveat that I don't want to pretend that people aren't doing that.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Aren't trying to do that.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
I'm with you.
dan friesen
Yeah.
That's the only thing I want to make sure we're not, you know.
jordan holmes
I'm not saying nobody's trying.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
No, absolutely not.
I'm just saying that those are the options.
You know, like you have to make a choice.
No choice is making the choice to support those guys.
unidentified
Hmm.
Make A Choice 00:01:55
dan friesen
Yeah, maybe.
I don't know.
It's complicated.
unidentified
It's tough.
jordan holmes
It's tough.
dan friesen
It's fucking tough.
jordan holmes
It is fucking.
I don't envy anybody.
Anybody who is still within the faith with these people around them, I do not envy you.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Because they're going to get worse.
Yeah.
So anyway, I apologize.
I'm sorry I did this, but I had to.
And I don't know.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
unidentified
Curtain's on a plane.
dan friesen
Try to find something that doesn't suck.
Maybe we'll go to the past.
jordan holmes
I mean, we got to go to the past.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
There's got, there's a, there's a better place for us.
dan friesen
Do you want to choose a date?
jordan holmes
Do you hardcore?
Like, okay.
dan friesen
I mean, I'll pick the year, but you tell me a date during the year.
jordan holmes
Okay.
August.
dan friesen
No.
I don't want to do summer.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Spring.
jordan holmes
March 18th.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But I do like March.
jordan holmes
March 9th.
dan friesen
Love it.
jordan holmes
Okay.
3-903.
Or 1933.
unidentified
I'll choose.
dan friesen
I don't know what we've covered before.
So I'll choose a year and I'll find a March 9th that works.
But I also really, really like saying no for no reason.
I know.
jordan holmes
I appreciate it.
dan friesen
All right.
So we'll be back with March 9th of something.
jordan holmes
Maybe.
dan friesen
Anyway, fuck Tucker.
This is garbage.
Show unacceptable on every level.
We'll be back.
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
Indeed, we do.
It's KnowledgeFight.com.
unidentified
Yep.
We'll be back.
dan friesen
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I am the Mysterious Professor.
unidentified
Woo, yeah, woo, yeah, woo.
jordan holmes
And now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
andy in kansas
I'm a first Tim Color.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your work.
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