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Feb. 6, 2026 - Knowledge Fight
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#1114: March 9, 2006

Jordan Holmes and Dan Friesen dissect Alex Jones’ March 9, 2006, episode, where he falsely claimed federal mandates like unisex bathrooms or DHS surveillance in Alaska (2,400-population Dillingham) would force cultural compliance, ignoring grants for safety. His "Liberty Tower" conspiracy and opposition to gender-neutral school terms were mocked as performative outrage disconnected from reality. Jones also pushed debunked theories—like Iran’s EMP devices or Orson Welles’ War of the Worlds as a government psyop—and pivoted on Bush’s impeachment, conflating treaty violations with selective hypocrisy while promoting fringe legal tactics like jury nullification. Their critique reveals Jones’ rhetoric prioritizes cultural control over constitutional principles, weaponizing resistance to manipulate audiences rather than defend liberty. [Automatically generated summary]

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alex jones
infowars 20:06
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dan friesen
37:13
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jordan holmes
21:42
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dan dewalt
01:23
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donald j trump
admin 00:40
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david swanson
00:23
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sean hannity
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andy in kansas
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larry in unknown
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Speaker Time Text
Say Hello to New Wonks 00:05:51
unidentified
Dan and Jordan, I am sweating.
alex jones
Knowledgeparty.com.
It's time to pray.
donald j trump
I have great respect for knowledge fight.
unidentified
Knowledge fight.
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys.
Shang, we are the bad guys.
Knowledge fight.
donald j trump
Dan and Jordan.
unidentified
Knowledge fight.
I need money.
Andy and Pansy.
Andy and Tandy.
alex jones
Stop it.
Andy and Kansas.
unidentified
Andy in Kansas.
Andy.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
You're on the airplane for all of us.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
andy in kansas
I'm a fish pin color.
I'm here today.
alex jones
I love your room.
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Knowledgefight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
I'm Jordan.
We're a couple dudes.
Like to sit around, worship at the altar of Celine, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed, we are.
unidentified
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
unidentified
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
I have a quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today, buddy?
dan friesen
Well, my bright spot today is that it's February, so you go first.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
Uh-oh.
Uh-oh, the bit has begun again.
unidentified
No!
jordan holmes
My bright spot.
dan friesen
That was a pump fake, is what I did on the last episode.
jordan holmes
That was a pump fake.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
My bright spot, man, you caught me by surprise.
I'm off balance.
No, I'll tell you what.
I don't have a bright spot.
dan friesen
Oh, shit.
jordan holmes
I'll tell you what my bright spot was going to be, though.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
If you recall, earlier on, my previous bright spot, one of which was bear pants, sweatpants that were fantastic.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
Amazing.
dan friesen
Very warm.
jordan holmes
Right now, my bright spot was going to be that my wife heard us have this discussion and she found out you did not have a pair of sweatpants.
dan friesen
Well, not the one that I'd fallen in love with.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
So immediately she was on the clickety clackety machine and she was like, oh, we're going to get them some of those pants.
They were supposed to be here last week.
dan friesen
Oh.
jordan holmes
They were supposed to be here earlier this week.
dan friesen
Well, shit.
jordan holmes
They were definitely supposed to be here by today.
But they're sending another pair because they got lost or whatever.
But also, they don't check.
They don't care.
They just know that they're not here yet.
So maybe you will have two pairs of sweatpants very shortly.
unidentified
Hell yeah.
jordan holmes
It is entirely possible.
dan friesen
This is like when I ordered a mattress and I got two and then you got a mattress.
jordan holmes
I took one.
Yep.
dan friesen
Awesome.
If we get multiples, that's going to be great.
jordan holmes
That's the way to do it.
dan friesen
That's the thought that counts.
And since it's still a little bright.
jordan holmes
Eventually it will be the sweatpants that count.
dan friesen
Well, I'd like to thank your wife in advance for whenever those come.
Those are very thoughtful, very nice things.
jordan holmes
It's supposed to be the bright spot.
dan friesen
Well, I would love to also make that my bright spot.
Ooh.
jordan holmes
But you can't.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
No.
What's going on?
What do you have instead of a bright spot today?
dan friesen
Well, because you gave a non-bright spot, I will also follow your lead.
jordan holmes
Ooh, uh-oh.
dan friesen
Unprecedented.
We were talking before the episode started about how I realized that I had never watched OJ Simpson's prank show Juiced, but I knew it existed.
jordan holmes
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
dan friesen
And so I watched it.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it is peering into the dark soul of humanity.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So it's my anti-bright spot, I guess, is that I actually watched that thing.
jordan holmes
And yeah, man, it is dark.
When you think about staring into the abyss, you know, and they're like, oh, worry about the abyss is going to stare back.
You're like, that's fine.
I would be cool with the abyss staring back.
But then it's OJ and you're like, that's, I guess I'm not cool with it.
dan friesen
Man, it's just rough.
And it's on YouTube.
And weirdly, the version on YouTube is full of tits.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Well, it's on YouTube.
jordan holmes
And it's on YouTube.
Why not?
dan friesen
Wild.
jordan holmes
What is it?
The algorithm is going to give it to kids?
dan friesen
No.
Hope not.
Anyway, Jordan, today we have an episode that we're going to go over.
And we teased at the end of our last episode that Alex in the present day, no good.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
So I had you pick a random date.
jordan holmes
You did?
dan friesen
And that was March 9th.
And we're going to talk about March 9th, 2006.
unidentified
Ooh.
jordan holmes
I'm excited.
dan friesen
Iraq wartime.
Sure.
jordan holmes
I mean, there are better things to remember about 06, but that's fine.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's Alex in a different spot in his career.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
And so we're going to take that in, absorb it, and see what we think.
But before we get to that, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
That's a great idea.
dan friesen
So, first, my bright spot this week is that you were on the pastimes with Dave and Gary.
Dollheads and Policy Wonks Unite.
Thank you so much, Jernhow Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, congratulations to Brian and his brother Kankles on breaking the curse.
Roman chivalry choirs are singing about this victory.
Thank you so much.
Not chivalry cavalry.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
And I ate a lot of acid and listened to Hocus Pocus by Focus once, and it was incredible.
Thank you so much, Jernhow Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And we got a technical credit in the mix, Jordan.
So thank you so much to For Dawn.
Please enjoy your Alex Jones-themed vocal stems from your loving wife.
Hail Satan and Merry Christmas.
Thank you so much, Jernhow Technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars.
alex jones
Go home for your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
unidentified
Daddy Sharp.
alex jones
Bomb, Jarjar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser, little, little kitty baby.
I don't want to hate black people.
alex jones
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Yeah, thank you very much.
dan friesen
So I think we are somewhat in agreement that what's happening in the present day on Alex's show does not really mean all that much.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It is a bunch of yelling, and the points that he's making don't a lot of them don't really deserve rebuttal or analysis.
And so the past is very, very attractive.
State vs Federal Laws 00:02:44
dan friesen
And so that is my answer to this question.
alex jones
Dan, why are you doing what you're doing?
dan friesen
I am doing it because you are insufferable in the present day.
So I must go back 20 years.
jordan holmes
Now I just, I want you to be on the stage with a puppet and just recorded Alex.
You should be the greatest ventriloquist of our age.
dan friesen
I will start working on throwing my voice.
So you chose after a couple of rejected dates, you chose March 9th.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
And I chose 2006.
jordan holmes
Multiples of three.
dan friesen
True.
jordan holmes
There we go.
dan friesen
369.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
No. 3-9.
jordan holmes
366.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's good enough.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It was one that we hadn't done.
And I thought this might be interesting territory.
And it turns out it is.
jordan holmes
Nice.
dan friesen
So we start off, and Alex is talking about how anybody, they can pass any federal law they want.
jordan holmes
Man, it's going to be a 20-year fucking word.
20 years.
It's going to be fucking wild.
Everybody strapping.
dan friesen
It's unfortunate when you go back to a random date and it's like, this is unfortunate.
This is weirdly prescient.
Anyway, he's saying, hey, globalists.
All right.
Let's see you enforce it.
jordan holmes
Let's see.
alex jones
We'll also get into what's happening with moves to impeach President Bush at the state level to get that ball rolling.
And there's also state legislatures that are now moving to pass laws to not allow the federalization of the state driver's license for the national ID card.
Oh, they can pass federal laws saying we get national ID cards.
They can pass federal laws saying force psychological testing and drugging of the American people.
But let's see them try to implement it at the state level.
If we simply get involved, they don't have a snowball chance in Hades.
dan friesen
So, right off the bat, you can hear how important state sovereignty is to Alex at this point in his life, where he holds the position that the federal government could pass any law it wants.
But as long as he and his buddies don't give up, it's going to be impossible for the government to enforce anything on the state level.
He's kind of right, but he's lying about it having anything to do with freedom or the Constitution.
The part he's right about is that as long as the extreme right wing will stay heavily armed and pissed off about everything, the federal government will not be able to do anything without risking violent reprisals.
So, he's kind of right.
jordan holmes
It does feel like we have reached the other side of, will this happen?
And have gotten direct to a, you better believe it.
Alamo Heroes Revisited 00:16:37
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, I think he's into the federal government saying things now and mandating some things.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, it was fairly easy, I'll say this, for the real ID thing to happen, right?
Everybody was just really, really annoyed, and then they got over it, and now we don't even talk about it.
You have to have a passport to drive 50 miles.
That's fine.
dan friesen
And that's fine.
And presumably, Trump could overturn that.
jordan holmes
Obviously.
Why not?
dan friesen
He kidnapped a foreign leader.
jordan holmes
The foreign leader didn't have his ID with him.
dan friesen
Oh, that could be that's what happened.
He didn't even know that.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
So it's a special day in March.
When you're in the beginning of March, you're celebrating an anniversary.
Yeah.
Do you know what I'm talking about?
jordan holmes
No.
Caesar?
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Not the Ides.
jordan holmes
Not the Ides.
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
March 9th.
dan friesen
It's actually a couple days before March 9th, but it's fresh in the mind.
jordan holmes
March 18th.
dan friesen
Nope.
It's the fall of the Alamo.
And Alex is thinking about this.
jordan holmes
What a fucking wild day.
Yep.
alex jones
But before I do that, I want to read this article written a few days ago by Chuck Baldwin because the anniversary of the Alamo siege has come and passed, come and gone.
And it's just as important as Lexington or Concord or what happened at Bunker Hill or at Trenton, New Jersey.
And so I want to just spend a few minutes and read this article before I get into all the world news and cover what's happening here domestically as well.
This is by Chuck Baldwin.
It's up on prisonplanet.com.
Alamo heroes appear foolish today.
It is that time of year for me to remind my readers about the magnificent stand by the defenders of the Alamo back in 1836.
dan friesen
So Chuck Baldwin has written this article about the brave men who fought at the Alamo.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
Maybe the foolish men who fought at the Alamo.
dan friesen
Maybe they look fucking foolish today.
jordan holmes
Maybe they do.
dan friesen
They're idealistic.
They believed in freedom.
Well, I mean, that's the essay is arguing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's an interesting choice to say they believed in freedom because it's a very specific type of freedom for themselves and not others they believed in.
dan friesen
That is true.
The essay does not get into that.
jordan holmes
I imagine not.
dan friesen
But it does have some pretty interesting ideas and complaints about PETA.
alex jones
Liberty is an easy word to say, but it is a hard word to live up to.
Freedom has little to do with financial gain or personal pleasure.
Accompanying freedom is her constant and unattractive companion responsibility.
Neither is she an only child.
Patriotism and morality are her sisters.
They are inseparable.
Destroy one and all will die.
Early in the siege, Travis wrote these words to the people of Texas.
Fellow citizens and compatriots, I am besieged by thousands of Mexicans under Santa Ana.
The enemy has determined a surrender at discretion.
Otherwise, the garrison are to be put to the sword.
I have answered the demand with a cannon shot, and our flag still waves proudly from the walls.
I shall never surrender or retreat.
Victory or death.
P.S.
The Lord is on our side.
As you read these words, remember that Travis and the others did not have the ACLU, PETA, and people for the Un-American Way and the National Education Association telling them how intolerant and narrow-minded their notions of honor and patriotism were.
A hostile media did not constantly castigate them as a bunch of wild-eyed extremists.
As schoolchildren, they were not taught that their forefathers were nothing more than racist jerks.
dan friesen
Because they were the racist jerks who would go on to have four children that would be taught about their racist jerkery.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's the idea.
dan friesen
I think their forefathers were racist jerks, too, but.
jordan holmes
Well, if you win, you're not a racist jerk.
That's how it goes, right?
dan friesen
Well, they lost.
jordan holmes
Wow, that was their fault.
Right.
dan friesen
Santa Ana had too many men.
alex jones
Yep.
dan friesen
And no one came to help old Willie Travis.
I think it's cute to hear someone complaining about PETA.
I just think that's low stakes.
jordan holmes
I just had a flashback where I was like, man, remember what the Dixie Chicks did and how mad people got?
And then now, now we're alive.
We just kept on going.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
I'm not saying that it's a direct line in my memory from people being mad at the Dixie Chicks to January 6th, but it feels very depressing.
dan friesen
There were some diversions along the way.
Sure, sure, sure.
If you zoom out far enough, it's a straight line.
jordan holmes
Once you get mad at the Dixie Chicks, January 6th is going to happen.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, like, liberty's tough, even for these brave men who didn't have the ACLU and the PETA yelling at them by their racist and they beat dogs or something.
Crazy.
alex jones
Oh, man.
jordan holmes
You know what I loved about the Yalamo story?
No PETA.
That was the main thing.
Also, no Greek food.
So it all worked out all across the board.
dan friesen
So Alex continues to read from Baldwin's essay.
alex jones
The brave men at the Yalamo labored under the belief that America and Texas really was the land of the free and the home of the brave.
They believed God was on their side and that the freedom of future generations depended on their courage and resolve.
They further believe that posterity would remember their sacrifice as an act of love and devotion.
It all looks pale now.
By today's standards, the gallant men of the Alamo appear rather foolish.
After all, they had no chance of winning, none.
However, the call for a pragmatism and practicality was never sounded.
Instead, they answered the clarion call, victory or death.
And in closing, please try to remember the heroes of the Yalamo as you listen to your gutless political and religious leaders calling for compromise and tolerance.
Try to recall the time in this country when ordinary men and women had the courage of their convictions and were willing to sacrifice their lives for freedom and independence.
jordan holmes
Is that what they were doing then?
alex jones
One thing is certain.
Those courageous champions did not die for a political party or for some lesser of two evils mantra.
They fought and died for principle.
So did the men at Lexington and Concord.
This is our heritage, our birthright, my friends.
And on second thought, don't they look foolish?
Or do we look foolish?
And I flummox that there at the end on second thought.
Do they look foolish or do we?
Not a newsreader, folks, like Peter Jennings.
dan friesen
So when I have the derisive and disgusted tone about Alex in the present day resorting to lesser of two evils arguments in order to justify Trump's actions, that's why.
jordan holmes
It's hard not to think maybe that guy wouldn't do that.
dan friesen
It's easy to lose sight of this because he's entirely lost his shit.
But in the past, Alex was a total blowhard about integrity and principle and all that shit.
jordan holmes
He loved it.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's crazy.
jordan holmes
I mean, now, Rick, there needs to be some sort of time travel situation wherein we can see how, you know, like, this is a, and it's a wonderful life situation, right?
We're all in the simulation of what would happen if Alex did whatever he did, you know?
Like that person in 2006 is the only person who's actually alive.
We're all living the dream, and then in a little bit, whenever it goes real south, that person's going to wake up and go, I guess I'll have to change my life.
That's what I think is happening, right?
dan friesen
I hope not.
But I will say, you know, it's not exactly the same thing.
Yeah.
But I wonder if Alex got a call from his future self later in this episode.
There is a caller who sounds a little bit like he has a criticism of Alex that would come from his future self.
alex jones
Oh, my God.
jordan holmes
Fantastic.
dan friesen
But we'll get to that a little bit later.
jordan holmes
Fantastic.
dan friesen
For now, Alex has to complain about how, like, you can't be pushed around by the feds.
jordan holmes
No.
alex jones
I just want to set the stage with that and understand that when you have an attitude that you're willing to fight and die and you're not going to be pushed around or shoved around, you get left alone.
You have liberty.
And then you're able to produce plenty.
And then you become happy.
And then your children become decadent.
Their children become even more decadent.
Their children become cross and corrupt and evil.
And then you get tyranny.
And then you go right through the cycle again if you're lucky.
Normally, the cycle isn't broken, and you just live in abject slavery and tyranny.
And countries fail.
They're not productive or powerful or well-known.
The real empires of the world were forged through a zenith, through a genesis, through a beginning of liberty, at least more liberty than their neighbors.
It didn't matter what color they were or what culture they were, where there is liberty, there is freedom, there is happiness, there is productivity.
dan friesen
This is all great stuff, but it's a lie.
This is all built on a lie.
The greatest myth that folks like Alex sold to their followers is that they just want to be left alone.
And the reason that's been so damaging is it's totally understandable.
A lot of people just want to live their lives in peace and sincerely don't care what other folks get into in their private lives.
So when Alex dresses his beliefs up that way, it's really relatable.
But Alex and his ilk don't want to be left alone.
They want to impose a culture on all of us that makes them feel like they're being left alone.
It bothers them if a teacher at their kids' school is gay, so they want to outlaw that.
It bothers them to see mixed-race couples on TV.
So they want a culture that doesn't include that.
For most of us, when we hear the government should leave us alone, we can nod along thinking about weird taxes or how they shouldn't arrest you for weed.
But that wasn't what Alex was ever talking about.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
And he got a lot of mileage out of people thinking that he was.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, you know, we probably should have, we probably should really put together the thoughts of like somebody who's like, we're really into the Alamo because we want to be left alone.
And then think, like, maybe the Alamo wasn't about being left alone so much as being suddenly very alone in a land that's not yours that you now get to keep.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I think that what it all comes down to is Alex is 20 years on.
I think he's shown that don't let yourself get pushed around.
There's something to it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, it's a bummer when you go back and you listen to him say things that sound like they're useful because in our world, right, and in the world of people listening to this, when they hear somebody say words, right, they associate that person with the meaning of those words, as opposed to somebody who is using those words like a whip or a tool to lie to you.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, and so when you hear it from Alex, you go, those are the words that I think are true, right?
But they're not coming from that person because they're not.
That person stole words that were good and used them to hurt you.
dan friesen
Yeah.
A person who's operating from a place of like good faith and good intention could say the same thing and it'd be like, eh, all right.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I hear you.
Yeah.
But yeah, but Alex is lying.
No, we know that from being 20 years ago.
jordan holmes
Because now we're here.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So we know this isn't sincere.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, 20 years on now, one of the things that I think that we're seeing is a great deal of centralization of power.
You have Trump taking on the end.
Sure.
That administration is, he seems to be, you know, pulling some strings.
jordan holmes
Pretty hard in charge, yeah.
dan friesen
You'd be surprised to learn that this was bad for Alex his whole career.
unidentified
Huh?
alex jones
So it's time to throw off the left-right paradigm, to realize we're all in this together as humans, and to realize that any centralization of government, whether it's under some left hood or some right hood, that is whatever hat you put on it, it is still the same creature, and centralization allows corrupt elites to dominate and control.
The answer is decentralization.
We must bind the lesser areas of human nature.
We must restrict the dark impulses.
And to deny them is to invite certain ruin.
dan friesen
Didn't mean any of that shit.
jordan holmes
Nope.
Not at all.
Does he even know?
You know, I wonder, does he even know what those words mean?
You know, now that we live in the present, can we then go back and think maybe he just genuinely didn't understand what words meant?
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Because I think that then there would be some like absurdist sentences that had eventually you'd get something that was like an AI hallucination kind of thing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you're right.
dan friesen
You'd have an episode that was like Lynchian.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I don't think that's happened.
I think it's intentional.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
And I think that part of it is deeply rooted in in 2006, Alex never thought that his side would ever have any power.
alex jones
Nope.
dan friesen
They were destined to be the guys at the Alamo, and that's why he's behaving like this.
If he ever thought that there was a chance that Ron Paul was going to win, he'd probably act like he does with Trump, with Ron.
So you remember that guy, that Citizen Kane guy, that Orson Welles fella?
jordan holmes
Sure.
I was going to say, actual Citizen Kane?
Isn't that that guy who is the newspaper?
unidentified
Hearst?
jordan holmes
Hearst, yes, William Randolph.
dan friesen
This actually does eventually get into newspapers a tiny bit.
All right, all right.
But Alex is talking about how there are some news pieces that he's seen about Iran having EMPs.
alex jones
Ooh.
jordan holmes
Exciting.
dan friesen
He takes issue with these news reports using footage from like Ocean's 11 or Independence Day to illustrate like big bombs going off and stuff.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
And so he complains that this is just like War of the Worlds.
This is just like Orson Welles.
jordan holmes
I gotcha.
dan friesen
Which was a psyop.
alex jones
So, what are the teachers doing?
What are the brainwashers doing?
What are the social engineers doing?
All over television, they say terrorists are going to attack you.
They've got these weapons, and then they cut the space aliens blowing up U.S. cities, flying saucers.
And that is War of the Worlds.
We know that was a psychological warfare test, Tavistock Institute, with Orson Welles carrying it out for H.G. Wells.
I even got an interview with it on KTSA.
jordan holmes
Do you think they're related?
alex jones
Years after they staged their operation, years later, give me an interview here in San Antonio, just south of me where I sit in Austin.
And Psychological Warfare Operation, government involved, to test it out.
And they said aliens are attacking.
They're killing us.
And the people panicked and freaked out.
They know it's these base fears.
dan friesen
So Orson Welles was absolutely not doing the War of the Worlds radio play on behalf of H.G. Wells, who was trying to run a PSYOP for the Tavistock Institute.
jordan holmes
It would be strange.
dan friesen
Wells and Wells are very similar last names, so I can see where Alex is making that connection, but this is fucking dumb.
CBS faced a number of lawsuits over the broadcast, some entirely frivolous, but at least one led to depositions that got into the roots of how the show came to be.
That case had to do with who had rights to the radio play since it was derived from War of the Worlds, but it was a reimagining of the story as a telecast.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
Probably unsurprisingly, Orson Welles' testimony wasn't about how the Tavistock Institute had enlisted him to freak everyone out.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Also, history has shown that that whole thing about people freaking out when Orson Welles did the show is a bit of a myth.
There was not widespread hysteria, and almost no one listening actually thought aliens were invading.
Liberty Tower's Echo 00:10:14
dan friesen
There weren't that many people listening total to begin with.
What ended up happening is that a very small number of people called the police or the newspaper to make inquiries about the things that they were hearing on the radio.
This thread was picked up by newspaper journalists who went on to publish stories about how people were duped by the radio in the next day's paper.
And from there, the legend grew and fed upon itself.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
dan friesen
In hindsight, a much better explanation for what happened is that in 1938, radio was rising in prominence as a news and entertainment medium, and it was taking advertising money away from newspapers.
More traditional media latched onto what was basically a non-story in order to attack a new emerging media platform, which was at that point far less centralized than print.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
This is kind of just what happens with media when there's money involved.
Radio was a threat to print, TV was a threat to radio, the internet was a threat to TV, and now we're living in a space where the internet's been rendered mostly bullshit by oligarchical interests like Elon and Amazon.
And who knows where there's going to be ad revenue in the future?
jordan holmes
Now it's just a threat to all of us.
Yeah, it used to be that they would fight amongst each other and we would be hurt by it.
Now it's just them against us.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Until they can figure out how to beam ads into your brain.
jordan holmes
I'm excited.
That'll be so much easier.
You know, when you have to press the skip button now and it's like, ah, there's too many ads.
Beam it into my head.
I'll go do something else and then I'll come back.
dan friesen
It'll be great.
So I think that, you know, it's fun to think about Orson Welles being so convincing that people actually thought aliens were invading.
jordan holmes
It is fun.
dan friesen
And like everyone was looting.
It's a fun image.
And I just, it's not real.
jordan holmes
And in retrospect, it also reaffirms your like, oh, those people were cavemen kind of beliefs.
dan friesen
Everyone's so stupid.
jordan holmes
Of course they would believe that.
alex jones
They don't know anything.
jordan holmes
They don't have TV.
They're just now discovering that you can hear voices through the sky.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex has this piece of propaganda that's going around.
This video about Iran and an EMP is basically just War of the World.
jordan holmes
It's basically War of the World.
dan friesen
And then, holy shit, Bush, he misspoke.
alex jones
Uh-oh.
And then now this.
Now, this latest bit of propaganda.
By the way, Bush called it the Liberty Tower.
It's never been called the Liberty Tower.
It's not named the Liberty Tower.
No one's called it.
But I guarantee you, Rove just said, listen, Liberty has a better effect in people's brains.
You've heard his speeches.
Well, he'll say Liberty 35 times, tyranny 20-something times, liberty versus tyranny over and over again.
They liked it.
Liberty's being attacked.
It's symbolic.
It's subconscious.
It doesn't matter if it's not named that.
They're so dumb.
Our people at Fox are ready with the images.
You just call it Liberty Tower.
Doesn't matter if it's called Library Tower.
The news then began calling it Liberty Tower.
Okay, the Emperor renames the building.
They didn't even question it.
This building is Liberty Tower.
dan friesen
Bush was kind of famous for fucking up words and speeches.
Yeah.
I don't know if this was a grand propaganda move that everybody had to workshop and Rove had to be behind.
Alex is saying that Bush called Library Tower Liberty Tower, and then everyone just fell in line and started calling it that, but that's not true.
You can find tons of articles from the mainstream media about how he got the name of the building wrong in his State of the Union speech, and the White House issued a correction almost immediately after he misspoke.
It's interesting, though, because Alex is imagining a media that's in total lockstep with Bush, where he misspeaks, and then they report the thing he got wrong as if it were actually correct.
That wasn't true, but it's true of Alex and his crew now.
Listening to this, it kind of feels like Alex is saying that the media is acting this way because it's what he thinks his role is.
The media exists to reinforce the message of the people in power.
And in 2006, he felt like he was nowhere near power and never would be.
Whereas in 2026, that's changed.
If Trump were to call Library Tower Liberty Tower, it would be Alex's job to convince people that was the right name, which is why he assumes that the mainstream media is doing that with Bush.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's crazy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, if you stop thinking about him as reacting to reality whatsoever and instead think about him as being one part of the same reality, right?
So instead of that whole concept of predictive programming or anything like that, Alex is telling you what the enemy is doing because that's what those people are supposed to be doing.
So if Alex is in that position, he's going to do what they're doing.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, that's what you're supposed to be doing.
White literally said that's what I would do if I were in there.
jordan holmes
That's what I would do.
But it is like, well, you're not thinking of it as a literal, like, oh, no, he thinks that's what you're supposed to do in that position.
So it's insane.
He's not predicting anything.
He's just revealing how he would have done it the whole time.
dan friesen
And then imagining other people are doing that and criticizing them for it.
jordan holmes
And because of him normalizing that insanity, it allows you to actually do it.
Wild.
dan friesen
Yep, it's been a weird 20 years.
jordan holmes
It's been a weird 20 years.
dan friesen
But guess what?
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
Some stuff never changes.
unidentified
It never changes.
dan friesen
Some stuff's the same.
jordan holmes
Uh-oh.
unidentified
Don't worry.
This show is documented.
Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
I fell into a burning ring on fire.
alex jones
Got a report right here.
They still do some good.
And I have linked through to the proposed rule changes in California and confirm that it is accurate.
It's on a WorldNet Daily.
Mom, dad to be axed from school textbooks.
And there's a move to not allow the name mother or father, mom, dad in textbooks.
They're saying it's hateful and very abusive, makes people feel bad.
You see, it isn't just that people, quote, want equity.
They want to destroy the existing forms.
They want to force us to live the way they do.
That's the big rub.
That's the problem.
dan friesen
Hard to believe.
It's been 20 years of attacking mother and father.
alex jones
Man.
dan friesen
Wild.
jordan holmes
Man.
Still haven't gotten rid of it.
People still use those terms all the time.
dan friesen
Yeah, it really seems like we're about at the same place.
jordan holmes
Yep.
There are some things that do require like a tap, please tap the glass kind of thing, you know, where it's like, hey, buddy, the next time you say First Amendment, I'm going to have to tap the glass.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I was thinking about it, and this is such a great position to have when you don't intend to do anything about it.
If you're just talking shit and trying to rile people up, then something like a school district deciding to change the terms mother and father on forms to just parent is awesome.
It's in a state you don't live in.
You have no children who go to these schools, and it doesn't affect you at all, but you can print money complaining about this shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Once you have any real power, you have to either ignore this issue altogether or advocate for the state or federal government to stop local governments and school districts from making their own policies.
Some cities and states might decide that updating these forms is appropriate or even necessary, and you need to deprive them of the ability to do that in the name of upholding your version of the natural order.
And that's a consequence of you having power that you never really wanted to begin with.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Something that I think is really wild is how much more Alex cares about this than any gay couple that I've ever known or heard of.
I think that most LGBTQ folk are in favor of having things that make the world more welcoming and less stigmatizing to everyone.
But I don't know if there's anyone on the other side of this issue that's been so passionate for 20 fucking years.
jordan holmes
I mean, I've seen people be passionate from time to time.
And even people who agree with him go like, listen, it's okay listen.
Hey, hey, it's okay.
It's okay.
Fine.
We'll get rid of it.
Nobody cares enough to fight back against you.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's crazy.
The sign that you're tapping is, it says, you all right, man?
jordan holmes
Fine.
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, we want to get rid of mother and father.
They're not real.
They're all, they're just sounds, man.
They're just sounds.
Whatever you want.
dan friesen
It's unhealthy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, probably not good.
dan friesen
So anyway, Alex, he likes to go to cool man places to get his haircut, but sometimes he can't.
So he has to go to trendy hair salons.
jordan holmes
No!
No!
dan friesen
And they have unisex bathrooms, and that doesn't mean that's not a problem.
alex jones
I mean, it's the same thing.
And it will also make the children have unisex toilets, which are very destructive, very bad.
I mean, I have run in trendy restaurants, and I've even been having my hair cut at one of these fancy salons before because my regular place was busy and the little corner place I go to where an old man cuts your hair in five minutes for $5.
And, you know, you try to go to the bathroom and it's unisex and you're in there and there's women in the bathroom.
Hey, man, I don't want to be around women in the bathroom.
And it's not because I'm old-fashioned or weird.
That's how humans operate and how humans behave.
Women don't want to be in the bathroom with a man.
And then all over the country, they're putting cameras in the bathrooms under federal grants.
I just thought I'd mention this.
Another reason to get your children out of public schools.
These rule changers are going through.
dan friesen
I don't know if I believe he went to a fancy salon.
I don't think this happened.
jordan holmes
I actually, I agree with you.
He's heard about a unisex bathroom in a fancy salon.
dan friesen
He imagines that's where one would be.
jordan holmes
I do not believe that he himself has gone to one of these fancy salons and been like, can I use your bathroom?
dan friesen
There are women here.
Plot twist.
I also don't think he goes to a barbershop where they cut your hair for $5.
I think he's somewhere in the middle.
jordan holmes
I would say so.
I mean, I'm not saying he's not going supercuts.
He's not doing a maul haircut.
dan friesen
I wouldn't be that surprised.
jordan holmes
Ah, well, I mean, 06, I saw his hair.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He could be doing a maul haircut.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He could be doing just a bowl.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Bowl over his head.
Yeah, you're right.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I don't believe he's that salt of the earth and folksy.
Maul Haircut Mystery 00:03:27
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I also don't think that he's like, oh, I need a haircut so bad.
I got to go to the trendy salon.
jordan holmes
I don't know if I've ever seen anyone be in that level of haircut emergency.
I don't know how it's possible for you not to be like, oh, okay, cool.
Do you have anything available tomorrow?
dan friesen
I have myself right before we went and did those shows in Portland.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
I had a day to get a haircut.
But I just went to the same place, and the guy who I usually go to was booked.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So then you're just kind of a different person.
dan dewalt
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Didn't go to a trendy salon.
jordan holmes
Nah.
dan friesen
They don't even have a bathroom.
jordan holmes
I grew up.
I grew up in a place that had an old man who cut your hair for $5.
david swanson
Sure.
jordan holmes
And it was fine.
I imagine that he probably went out of business.
It's not a great business strategy, but it is.
dan friesen
You should have had a unisex bathroom.
jordan holmes
It is a cool way to hang out with people regularly.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So this real ID is coming in.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And when it does, you are going to get sent to a fucking holding cell at the mall, and they're going to ship you off to Alaska.
david swanson
Yeah.
alex jones
We read the executive order then.
You know what it said?
You know what it said then, Bill Clinton's executive order?
It said that they're going to take blood and DNA to get a driver's license in the next phase.
And this was for years down the road.
And they said that if you haven't paid all your tickets or have warrants or whatever, or you've got tax problems, they're going to arrest you for taxes there.
I mean, it's all in there.
It's a hellish system.
That's why they're going to have you retina scan and thumb scan when you get your kids from school.
That'll flag it the minute you've got a warrant.
Boom, the cops will arrest you.
They're at the school.
They're going to build holding cells in the malls, the schools.
There'll be little prisons everywhere just to grab you and throw you in.
You'll be thrown on a truck, taken to the airport, flown to a distribution center in Oklahoma City or in Denver, and flown to camps in Alaska or South Texas or overseas or Guitmo.
This is official.
You understand?
You understand?
I mean, just this is the new America.
dan friesen
All of that stuff happened.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Bill Clinton didn't sign an executive order that required taking blood for a driver's license or whatever insane shit Alex is ranting about.
What actually happened is that in 1996, Clinton suggested that teens should have to pass a drug test as part of the process of getting a driver's license, and he passed the idea off to his cabinet to research.
This was stupid and part of the war on drugs hysteria, but it also never got implemented because groups like the ACLU that are in league with PETA, they made it very clear that they would fight against this aggressively in court.
The Clinton administration found it to be an unviable option.
So instead of focusing on that, they went on to other things like tying federal funds to zero tolerance policies for underage drinking.
It's really great that Alex was the watchman on the wall for us.
So he didn't end up in a situation where the federal government is just snatching people up and sending them off to God knows where.
He really saved us from a dark timeline where technicalities are getting people swept up and booted to camps.
jordan holmes
You know what's ironic about it, right?
Is that the real ID, when we didn't have one, when we were trying to travel at the TSA, they didn't go like, ah, you don't got one.
Homeland Security's Camera Controversy 00:14:43
jordan holmes
We'll take you and throw you into a small prison and then mail you to Alaska.
They handed us a little thing that said like, next time, be sure to have a real ID.
And then we just went on.
dan friesen
And then they had to reopen the mall to have a holding cell in it.
Yeah.
Alex's prediction about the viability of malls was off a little bit.
jordan holmes
Yep, yep, yep.
The why is different.
The what is not as different as I would like, but the why is different.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
The why is very different.
dan friesen
Yeah.
A lot of the details.
So Alex mentioned that you're going to get sent off to camps like in Alaska.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And that reminds him that he's got some news about Alaska.
alex jones
Thought I'd cover that as well for their surveillance.
The Homeland Security in one horse town where there's, if you're lucky, one little old gas station where they might have cigarettes and three brands of soda pop.
I mean, I've gone to these towns where there's nothing, nothing but one gas pump.
And you go in there and there's cameras all over the town.
Homeland Security.
Got one here today.
Alaska Hamlet gets 80 surveillance cameras from DHS, Department of Homeland Security, which now has a faith-based initiative.
And it's cameras through the faith-based initiative.
This is out from about.com.
And it says it's worthy of a Golden Fleece Award.
Dillingham, Alaska, population 2,400 is installing 80.
I've been in towns where it says the population is 250, and there's at least 10 cameras you can see.
I mean, in neighborhoods.
Dillingham, Alaska, population 2,400 is installing 80 surveillance cameras around town courtesy of a $202,000 Department of Homeland Security grant.
I remember it says the town is so small it has no streetlights.
And it just goes on and on.
dan friesen
This is the point where Alex gives up on reading the news, and the rest of the coverage of this story is just his feelings.
jordan holmes
That's right.
dan friesen
The issue here is that the Department of Homeland Security wasn't installing these cameras in Dillingham, Alaska.
The local city council voted to install them and did so with grant money offered by the DHS.
jordan holmes
Just offered, not like forced on them.
They didn't get money shoved down their throats unless they spent it.
unidentified
No.
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And there wasn't like a church angle to it either.
That seems to be implying.
It's obviously unnecessary, but if you're trying to critique this story with an anti-DHS angle, the problem is that they offered the grant to begin with, not the excessive number of cameras that the city council decided to put up.
I read a bunch of shit about this, and it seems like they were just like, we've had a couple of people drown in the port.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so we wanted to put a bunch of cameras around so we could save people if they're drowning.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
I don't know if that's true, but that's definitely what they were saying.
jordan holmes
I mean, to me, I hear, oh, this is a camera.
This is a small town trying to make 80 cameras.
That's a violation.
But I'm hearing like, oh, they're only putting 20 cameras up, buddy.
dan friesen
Sure.
There's a little bit of a camera.
jordan holmes
The top is, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I think one of the other things about this town was that they had had, because it's a port town, and there's people coming in on ships and going, there was someone who died from falling off a boat, and they didn't know if someone had killed him or not.
jordan holmes
And so there was Ooh, that's tough Right That's tough.
dan friesen
And so the town kind of had this memory of like, well, we could have proved that one if we had cameras up.
jordan holmes
That one feels like hoods on us.
dan friesen
It's not a good excuse to put up 80 cameras, but it's not as simple as Alex is saying either.
jordan holmes
It is always fun whenever you hear about justice in a place where it's like, we don't get light here.
We don't have the sun.
So stuff happens at night and we'll never know.
We'll just never know.
dan friesen
And we're in a port in Alaska.
People could just go to the water.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they could just, it's right there.
And then we can't find them.
It's like a pool, but where it's invisible.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it's an international pool at a certain point.
Also, you can find hundreds of articles discussing this plan to install the 80 cameras in Dillingham, but you won't find many large outlets discussing the fallout of this city council of decisions.
Chris Napoli, who'd been the mayor since 1997, got so frustrated with the pushback that people had about the cameras that he stormed out of a council meeting and resigned.
jordan holmes
God damn yes.
This is bullshit.
This is what we need to have this enforced.
If you're one of these media outlets doing your complaining article, you have to follow it and follow up.
You have to.
It is a law.
You cannot do this bullshit.
I was in fear.
That's bullshit.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because it's a cheap, easy story.
Absolutely.
Like, you just see, oh, this is reported on something.
I'm going to repost it on the wire or whatever.
It's just.
It's more interesting.
What the fuck happened?
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Did this town turn into a camp?
No, obviously not.
What happened?
jordan holmes
Every time, every time there's some like, oh, can you believe this stupid group of people did this?
If you follow through with the story, it's like, one, they're making reasonable decisions based upon their own specific context.
Or, absolutely, everything's about to go ape shit crazy, and you're not even at the interesting part.
Yeah.
dan friesen
And oftentimes the ape shit crazy is like, aha, someone is pulling a scam here.
And it's not.
jordan holmes
Oh, somebody stole $2 million.
dan friesen
That's what happened.
It's not that the DHS is trying to religiously set up a spy camp in Dellingham, Alaska.
It's that someone wanted to siphon some money off the top.
jordan holmes
This is the most American thing ever.
If it sounds like somebody is doing something stupid or crazy, double check to see if they've stolen $2 million.
dan friesen
Allegedly.
I don't want to say anything about other people.
jordan holmes
Who knows?
dan friesen
So Alex, he's thinking about Rhodes.
Sure.
And he's just fucking mad that they're putting these, you know, they're going to charge you for how much you drive, right?
jordan holmes
That, yeah.
dan friesen
They're going to.
jordan holmes
I mean, technically, gas already charges you for how much.
dan friesen
Right, but they're going to put trackers in your car, and then they're going to tax you by the mile, of course, because they have to.
He's so fucking mad about this that he's like, you know what you need to do?
You need to find these people that I hate and stalk them.
jordan holmes
No, what?
alex jones
Just enjoy yourselves.
It's going to go in the trucks first.
It's going to go in the taxi cabs first.
But according to the law, they almost passed it beyond all our inspection stickers right now.
So they're just phasing it in on select groups and being the cops' badges and the cop cars.
Well, I'm getting tracked.
Why aren't you?
We're all in this same pit together.
And so just when you're getting charged that much, just remember I told you.
Remember, you could have gotten involved and gone to the city council or sued somebody or gone down to the county commissioners or gone and followed board members of these different tolling groups around and caught them.
I don't care if you go catch them cheating on their wife.
I mean, let's play hardball with these people.
Just burn them.
This is war, folks.
Just burn these people.
Burn them.
Don't do anything illegal.
Just a bunch of crooks.
So they're going to be involved in crooked activity.
Go hire a PI to follow them around.
They'll find all kinds of activities.
They come back 100% of the time and go, you can't believe it.
I just caught on tape.
You'll see them getting bags of cash in parking lots.
You'll see them dressed up like transvestites.
You'll see them going to whorehouses.
You'll see them buying crap cocaine.
And just start playing hardball with these crooks.
Stop playing games with them.
Scumbag trash.
This makes me so angry.
I'm sorry.
Just crooks taking over and raping us makes me mad.
dan friesen
That anger is so fake.
jordan holmes
So what?
I thought it was real.
What?
Yeah, I'm so mad.
dan friesen
I'm so mad.
Stalk these people.
Follow them around and catch them cheating.
Don't do anything illegal.
Don't do anything illegal.
Stalk them.
jordan holmes
First off, the first word, the verb word, the active word in that sentence, I believe is illegal.
So you've already broken one pretty solid rule that you established later on.
Second, I really don't know how many different ways there are to find somebody cheating on their wife and get video of it that are not technically illegal in some form or fashion, right?
dan friesen
Yeah.
I think that if you're saying, hey, show up at city council meetings, you're good.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's where you're, it's an agreed upon place for this discussion.
dan friesen
If you're saying follow people around.
unidentified
Nope.
jordan holmes
Not good?
dan friesen
I think you're in dicey territory.
Spy on them.
jordan holmes
Furthermore, if every politician, were they followed by a PI of some sort, would be discovered to be in illicit criminal activity.
dan friesen
So would Alex.
jordan holmes
Well, there's definitely that.
But also, why aren't PIs like our superhero legends?
Why aren't they just taking down politicians left and right?
Is it because they're in on it?
dan friesen
Yeah, probably.
jordan holmes
Are all PIs getting paid several million dollars?
dan friesen
I think so.
jordan holmes
Yeah, okay.
dan friesen
Yeah, they're the real elites.
Because they know how to snap pictures.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, wouldn't you just...
I'm not saying that this is what you should do if you're a PI.
But I feel like if this was available, you just got to blackmail like 40 or 50 politicians and you're all set.
dan friesen
I think you only need like five or six.
Depends on the size of the town.
But I think more importantly, Alex has had a little bit of a shaky history after this point with his fans stalking people.
jordan holmes
Either is that.
dan friesen
It sounds bad in hindsight.
jordan holmes
It does sound bad.
It does sound like, considering the number of people who are fans of Alex Jones, or at least have memorabilia and the like suggesting they are fans, a lot of them have been in crime situations wherein they followed somebody illegally.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
And this seems like this is exactly what he wants people to do.
jordan holmes
It seems like he told them to do it.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Pretty passionately and fake angrily.
jordan holmes
He's so mad.
dan friesen
So that anger continues as he talks about how these fucking people in Texas, they do not want toll roads.
jordan holmes
No, they don't.
dan friesen
And it makes him so mad.
jordan holmes
Toll roads.
alex jones
98%, 97%, 93%.
Never polls in Texas don't want toll roads, don't want the transponders.
They just say, doesn't matter what you want.
Foreign companies bought off politicians.
We're going to do it.
We got a whole bunch of men that wear black uniforms, military training, that got machine guns, call the police department.
And if you don't like it, you come out and complain and protest.
They'll come break your skulls in and take you to prison.
And we own those two.
We'll make some money off that and have you build in widgets in there.
So you keep your mouth shut, scum, and you take it.
You learn how to be a slave.
Now get on there and shut up.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
Wait till we get your guns.
You just wait.
Ha ha.
The real fight will start then.
We're the New World Order.
We've killed hundreds of millions last century.
And that was just a warm-up, you scum.
Now, that's their real attitude towards you.
unidentified
Nope.
alex jones
Just know that.
That's, I mean, in fact, that doesn't even begin to scratch the surface, the veneer of how evil they are.
That doesn't even pierce into the wickedness, but that's their attitude.
Just, you're my slave.
We're here to be fat on.
Shut up.
You idiots.
That's their attitude.
Remember that.
Remember, that's what the New World Order is doing.
Now, we're carrying the new citizen rule books for a dollar apiece, and you can get 10 packs, 20 packs, 100 packs of them.
jordan holmes
That's what that anger was there to sell, baby.
dan friesen
That character that Alex is doing isn't a depiction of some real enemy that desperately wants to fuck him over by having someone pay for roads.
That's the way he wants to treat people who disagree with him.
That's what he's channeling and venting.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
So the Citizen Rulebook is a little pamphlet that advocates for jury nullification.
Basically, it's a rant about how every juror is more powerful than all of the government because they can just say not guilty, even if someone is clearly guilty of a crime, but the juror disagrees with the law.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
It's a longer version of just saying, I know bombing an abortion clinic is technically illegal, but I think God wants me to do it.
That's what Alex is selling.
jordan holmes
It does feel very similar to that.
dan friesen
Yeah, there's a lot of quotes in it, too.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I believe that.
I appreciate when the stakes were this low.
I loved a good, oh, man, they're going to roll a toll road?
$4 for several hundred miles of driving?
Unacceptable.
Unacceptable.
dan friesen
Toll roads suck, and it's, you know, it's a bummer.
Roads have to be up capitalized.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah, they're.
dan friesen
We have to keep up these roads somehow.
jordan holmes
We understand the concept that we need these roads, and yet somehow we all agree that paying for them is terrible.
Whatever, fine.
I just can't imagine this being like, oh, toll roads.
And also, in case you were wondering, George Bush kidnapped the president of Columbia or something like that.
Whatever.
dan friesen
Toll roads.
jordan holmes
My HW.
dan friesen
Yeah.
ICE is out there on the streets.
Okay.
Toll roads.
jordan holmes
Toll roads.
donald j trump
Huh.
dan friesen
So I mentioned earlier that I believe that it's possible that a time rift occurs on this episode.
unidentified
It's possible.
dan friesen
And future Alex calls in to scold past Alex.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
And that's not because of the similarity of voices or anything.
But this caller has a very interesting criticism.
alex jones
I'm told, skip ahead to him because I'm told Larry disagrees with me.
Larry, go ahead.
larry in unknown
How are you going to Alex?
jordan holmes
Good.
alex jones
Go ahead, sir.
larry in unknown
All right.
Well, just to let you know, I'm not a neocon, but I do disagree with some of the things that you've been saying by the last week or so as far as the Muslims.
It seems like you're giving them a free pass on all of this and making them out to be victims.
And you've also stated that Christians and Jews get along fine in their country.
And I have to disagree with that.
alex jones
I listed specific countries, sir.
And I mean, the idea that the Muslims will kill any Jews or any Christians is false.
Are there radical sects that would try to do that?
Yes.
Should our government fund and finance that after World War II to try to beef those groups up?
That's publicly available.
Even in the Washington Post admits that.
And the claim that they're going to kill all of us is as fake as claiming they've got EMP bombs and flying saucers.
Christians and Continuity 00:03:36
dan friesen
That sure is different.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Since we know that God is working through Alex and telling him what time it is at night, the only explanation I can come up with that makes sense here is that God was chiller about Islam in 2004.
jordan holmes
Way chiller.
That wasn't even a problem for a while.
dan friesen
Apparently not.
jordan holmes
Apparently not.
dan friesen
This caller is being like, hey, man, you're being too soft on the Muslims.
jordan holmes
I think there should be.
Okay, so you know how there's a continuity supervisor on a movie where they're like, ah, that glass of whiskey was too full or whatever.
You know what I'm saying?
Or you were wearing a different shirt, something like that.
We need a continuity enforcer.
For all media, there needs to be somebody there to enforce what you said a few months ago.
dan friesen
I don't actually think that because people can change their minds.
jordan holmes
Sure, they can change their minds, but that also becomes a demarcation point where you then have to be responsible to that at that moment moving forward.
You know what I'm saying?
dan friesen
True, true.
It's hard to explain literally everything.
The problem that I have and where I'm going to agree with you is if you believe you're on a mission from God, then you need continuity.
jordan holmes
You need continuity.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Or at least God needs continuity.
dan friesen
It's a low bar to demand.
jordan holmes
If God is 100% super cool with everything that Alex has been doing, then we're now in like trickster god territory.
Like we're in low-key territory.
And if that's the case, none of us had a chance.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
That dude's a fucking liar.
dan friesen
So this caller has scolded Alex about being too nice to Muslims.
And so he decides to explain that Islamophobia is bullshit.
jordan holmes
Great.
alex jones
I don't even know what to say to this anymore.
You know, this whole religious belief and this whole fake hoax subculture that it's got the Muslims creeping around everywhere wanting to kill us in most Muslim countries.
I had Darjah Malon.
He's a Lebanese Christian.
He's an American, multi-generational Texan, but he's a Lebanese Christian.
And I know a lot of Lebanese who are Christians.
I know a lot of Egyptians that are Christians.
I had a friend growing up who was Egyptian, who was an Egyptian Christian.
And I've had Shiite Muslim friends who were from Iraq, who I went to high school and college with.
Really nice people, people I lived at weights with.
And then they weren't foaming at the mouth.
They had Christian friends.
I'd go over to their house for dinner and they'd have Christians over.
It is not true.
Okay?
I mean, have there been Christian countries who use it as a political excuse to go kill their neighbors?
Yes.
Is it the minority of Christians?
Yes.
dan friesen
Is it you?
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
To be clear, Alex now says that Islam is incompatible with the West.
This is quite, quite a shift.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yep, with no known demarcation point or change, just however the wind blows.
Maybe just being in Texas for long enough will get you there.
dan friesen
Well, I think it's that at the time, Alex didn't really care.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It was just like, hey, let's not do this Islamophobia stuff because it could blow back on us extremist fundamentalist Christians.
jordan holmes
I will say whatever is tactically and strategically appropriate at any given point in time, regardless of whether or not it contradicts what I just said two seconds ago.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I think that one of the things that makes it worse with that is that you now, like, he has expressed tolerance.
Anti War Sentiments in Congress 00:15:56
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He has expressed an understanding that cultures get along.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
People of different backgrounds can break bread together.
jordan holmes
Yep.
There's some assholes everywhere.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think that a lot of hatred and bigotry, it makes more sense if someone just doesn't know.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
If they're just like, I've never met a Muslim.
Sure.
Or whatever.
jordan holmes
It's easier to be lied to about the unknown as opposed to something that you're physically aware of and tactically.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So for Alex to retreat to a bigot position from a place of understanding is it's more intentional.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yep.
Yep.
dan friesen
So Alex has a doctor on.
I think Dr. Breeding is his name.
And I looked him up and he looks silly.
jordan holmes
I believe that.
dan friesen
He doesn't believe that mental health is real.
jordan holmes
Probably not.
dan friesen
And mental illness is all fake.
jordan holmes
That sounds true.
dan friesen
And I don't care.
So he's sitting silently while Alex has some other guests on.
jordan holmes
Dr. Brooding.
Yes.
dan friesen
So he skipped past his main interview because it's basically just like, it's all fake.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
What else is he going to say?
dan friesen
Yeah.
And meanwhile, he seems insane.
But Alex has some other guys on, a couple of dudes who are trying to impeach Bush.
jordan holmes
Ooh, I like it.
alex jones
We are joined by Dan DeWalt and David Swanson.
And, of course, we have after downthestreet.org, one of their folks on with us and Vermont Selectman, Dan DeWalt, to discuss recent developments in campaigns to impeach Bush and remove his cronies from office.
And don't think this can't happen.
And I know Bush is just a puppet of these global interests, but still, we need to impeach him, to punish him, to let everybody know and other presidents know he is not the law.
He is not dictator, regardless of what his White House says or what he says.
And for those that don't know, he's really declaring that he is a dictator.
dan friesen
One of the guests Alex has on is a guy named Dan DeWalt, who had gotten some media attention because he was a selectman in a town called Newfane, Vermont, population 1,680, who had put it to a vote at a town hall meeting whether or not Bush should be impeached.
The motion passed 121 to 29, and it meant nothing.
jordan holmes
Oh.
dan friesen
The town selectman of a tiny town in Vermont does not have the power to impeach the president.
And Alex should know that if he's such a fan of the Constitution that he's always talking about.
It's great for DeWalt to do this kind of thing, and there's a symbolic meaning to it, and I'm not going to shit on that.
But pretending this has any different or more official than someone carrying around a petition is ridiculous.
And Alex is trying to pretend that they're like, oh, this is going to be a big deal.
jordan holmes
I like the idea that one of it, like those old anachronistic laws, like, you know, you can't have your donkey out before two on Friday.
You know, one of those kinds of things could also include like, and actually this guy can impeach the president.
I don't know.
We wrote it wrong.
It was 1794 and somebody just got a bug up their ass in Vermont.
dan friesen
Yeah, this guy in Vermont can make a new crosswalk and impeach the president.
jordan holmes
And impeach the president.
dan friesen
Wild.
jordan holmes
Two things he's imbued with the power to do and marriages.
dan friesen
So this other guy, David Swanson, is an anti-war activist who Alex would absolutely hate now.
jordan holmes
Yep, yep.
dan friesen
He recently wrote a piece for his website called, quote, ICE is at War with the United States, and he is aggressively anti-Trump.
I don't think I agree with him about everything, but Alex would want to fight Swanson now.
And the reality is that Alex would have wanted to fight him back then, too.
It was just advantageous for him to play nice and pretend they had common ground, hoping to lure in some of his audience.
In 2002, Swanson wrote his vision for a positive 2050, and it included the following things that Alex hates, even in 2006.
Quote, a ban on discrimination due to sex, sexual preference, or perceived cultural background.
A ban on union busting and on right-to-work laws.
Increased taxation of corporations and the super wealthy.
Investment in central cities, universal public health care, universal public child care, universal transportation provision, guaranteed basic income, institution of the separation of church and state, increased aid abroad, amnesty for immigrants, a ban on private gun ownership, a ban on hunting and fishing, and the list goes on with all the things Alex would hate.
Good luck, buddy.
And to be fair, Swanson isn't just like some left-wing dude.
He wrote an article arguing for Biden's impeachment a couple months after he was sworn in, and it starts like this.
Quote, since the presidency of Richard Nixon that I was born during, and since long before that, there's not been a president who, in my view, should not have been impeached, removed, and banned from holding office.
unidentified
Fair.
dan friesen
There also has not been an impeachment I supported up until the very most recent one.
So I'm excessively pro-impeachment or overly selective, depending on your perspective.
jordan holmes
Fair point.
dan friesen
He defends himself against people who'd say it's too soon to impeach Biden by arguing that Congress should impeach the most recently available person they can.
So my point is this dude is not a lesser of two evils guy.
jordan holmes
No, it doesn't seem like it.
loves the idea of impeaching it does it does feel like he's yeah i mean i think i'm i think i'm the only other person i know who said we should probably just get him off I think that other people have said it for sure.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Not a lot of the folks that we run into.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think, you know, without being an expert on this and not knowing him too much, it seems like he really is anti-war.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, he seems aggressively so, to the point where I did watch a video where he was arguing against thinking that World War II was something that was good for us to do.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But not from the perspective of endorsing the Nazis.
unidentified
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
In a, like, hey, the war when it started wasn't inevitable.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
There were things we could have done before that that we should have done.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Anyway, I think he just hates war.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, once you, if you really establish, and I actually am against all wars position, what flows from that politically, you'll find goes in a lot of weird places.
dan friesen
It's true.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And Alex doesn't have the stomach for it.
No.
So Alex, he's talking to them about why Bush should be impeached.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I think it's interesting.
alex jones
Well, I hear one of the reasons should be not just lying premeditatedly about WMDs, which we now even have the White House memos on, which are even more damning than Downing Street memos, in my opinion, is his counsels, his lawyers, saying he's above the law and him concurring.
He needs to be removed right now.
dan dewalt
Yeah, it's way more than like, you could even love the word Iraq and still want to impeach Bush.
We're bound.
When the United States signs a treaty, we're bound by that treaty as the supreme law of the land.
And we've broken the treaties on treatment of civilians and prisoners of war.
alex jones
Torture.
dan dewalt
And the FISA Act very specifically stated the president cannot go beyond the bounds of the FISA Act.
alex jones
Five years in prison for every person that's like that.
He's admitted that.
dan dewalt
So you've got breaking national law, breaking supreme law by virtue of breaking your treaties.
You don't even have to think about the idea.
That's enough to impeach right there.
alex jones
Well, I agree with you.
dan friesen
Alex should not agree with this guy that the president is bound by international laws like treaties.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
There may be a utility in not going back on agreements we've made, but he just agreed with someone who said that there's a supreme law that functions internationally and isn't from God.
It's interesting how Alex is saying that Bush should be impeached because he thinks that he's above the law, but what he really means is that Bush should be impeached because Alex doesn't agree that he's above the law.
Time has clearly shown us that he does not have a problem with presidents thinking they're above the law when he likes how they violate the law.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's the real issue.
jordan holmes
Yep.
Yeah, it is hard not to, it's hard not to go like, hey, if we had stepped up once you find out a president lied you into war and we'd been like, nope, can't do that.
Well, then we're definitely not here.
We're definitely not here.
This is, we get to hear several steps after you let the president lie you into a war.
That's how bad it gets after you let the president do that.
dan friesen
Yep.
And ironically, Alex is going to argue exactly that in a couple clips.
Great.
But first, he makes the point that cities need to impeach Bush because Congress is afraid of him.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
alex jones
We need to get every city out there to move for impeachment.
jordan holmes
Congress is afraid of everything.
alex jones
This is a group openly trying to set up a dictatorship, and Congress is scared of him.
That's the biggest reason you're not seeing more resistance.
That's why 95 members of the Senate voted for the Patriot Act expansion this week, last week.
Now Bush is going to sign it this week or next week is because people are scared.
I mean, this isn't a joke.
Bush is openly building concentration camps.
dan friesen
So what if a bunch of Democratic cities just decided to impeach Trump?
Do you think Alex would be like, yeah, they're probably doing that because Congress is afraid of him?
jordan holmes
Probably.
dan friesen
It's fucking silly.
jordan holmes
I bet he would respond to that favorably, especially if somebody brought up that it was his idea.
dan friesen
It's not even hypocrisy.
It's just nuts.
jordan holmes
It's nuts.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Hypocrisy doesn't exist.
We're well past hypocrisy into the absurd territory of fucking saying a person's name backwards to get them to disappear into a different dimension.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I've never been good at pronouncing things, especially backwards.
jordan holmes
Especially backwards.
dan friesen
So Alex warns that government, they're going to just like start arresting protesters and stuff.
Well, they're going to get out of control.
dan dewalt
They're going to start absolutely determined to do what they think they want to do.
And I think whatever it takes, if they can do it without a dictatorship, that'll be good.
If it takes more, I don't think they're going to be able to do that.
alex jones
Well, they've got Republican Senate chairmans of committees saying war protesters are fifth columnists and need to be arrested, and all their mouthpieces are on the radio and TV saying it, and fire teachers that criticize no free speech.
I mean, that's dictatorship.
And when they claim they're above the courts and above the Congress, well, the New Patriot Act has a whole new classification.
dan dewalt
I think they call them harassers or something.
alex jones
It has a national police force, unlimited jurisdiction for Secret Service or their designants, and no protected official need be around for them to instantly declare that you were in violation of the safe zone, and you get a year and a half in prison starting.
dan dewalt
Yeah.
That's no joke, and it's today.
alex jones
And Democrats, of course, overwhelmingly help pass that.
dan dewalt
That's why we need to take upon ourselves as citizens to deal with this.
We need to put so much pressure on even the Democrats.
dan friesen
So Democrats obviously deserve criticism, and it's not wrong for these guests to voice those criticisms.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
But in hindsight, it's very easy to see the way that Alex is using them.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
This horrifying fantasy that Alex has about the National Police Force, who can declare magical safe zones where they can just do whatever they want to protesters, is exactly what he supports now.
You cannot have the positions he's pretending to have in 2006 and then support ICE doing whatever they want just because they say that the people they fuck up are impeding them.
The only way this is possible is either to accept that the 2006 position was a lie or for Alex to explain why he gave up on liberty.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's it.
I don't see a third option.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, it is leading me to develop my he who smelt it dealt it theory of Alex Jones.
Insofar as if he's smelling fascism, he's going to be dealing fascism.
So that's where I've stopped so far.
That's the end of the theory.
dan friesen
It's an interesting theory.
I think we've tested it.
So both of these guys, Dan, David, two guys who are anti-war guys.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
One impeachment advocate from Vermont all the way.
The other an anti-war guy.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
They're trying to have a little bit of a discussion about the dehumanization that comes along with war and the intersection of that and profit and corporations.
Sure.
And Alex can't really engage except by being a gross kid.
jordan holmes
Great.
david swanson
Right.
And these vets are wonderful people with their family and friends, but they justify doing that to Iraqi families.
And there's a group of Iraqi women now traveling around this country telling their stories, and it's stuff that you have never heard in the American media.
And it just confirmed.
alex jones
I mean, it's been all over foreign mainstream press where they get video of it or take photos or are there as it happens, and they're just shooting women with children for fun.
They're just going to watch me splatter this bleeper.
And the head just splatters, and they all hoop and yell and do high fives.
And the woman's holding a three-year-old as they walk down the dirt road trying to get food, and the baby just looks there standing over their splattered head, and there's a bunch of animals rolling around basically getting sexual pleasure off of it.
And those pieces of psychopathic trash are going to come back here and be cops, and they're going to man the concentration camps.
That's what these wars are about, is growing sickos.
And gentlemen, what about Halliburton and the camps for the citizens?
dan dewalt
I think when you're talking about the evil in the Bush administration, I think you're missing a large point, which is way different than just somebody's psychology.
That is, corporations in this country have not only the Bush administration, but the Democrats in their pocket.
And whether they're evil or not isn't even the question.
This is a matter of business.
It's important for the corporate.
alex jones
No, you're right.
They don't look at what they do.
They don't get down there in the baby brains and the piles of rotten dead bodies with the maggots all over them.
They sit up there in their $50 million houses with their three mistresses all oiled and pampered smoking Cuban cigars while this country's going to hell in a handbasket.
david swanson
Yeah, I think that you're exactly right.
dan friesen
See, they're trying to discuss dehumanization.
They're trying to discuss the alienation of this is a corporate thing.
It's not even a matter of good or evil.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
And Alex is dehumanizing.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
He's being grotesque and childish and gross about these things.
He can't engage with the ideas, so he has to put on the performance of anger and say gross shit.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
It's crazy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it feels like the subtext is like, hey, man, I don't need your help.
And Alex being like, clearly you do.
You're making very rational points.
What you should be doing, screaming, screaming about nonsense and calling people cockroaches.
dan friesen
It has the feeling of a kid's table.
david swanson
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like he's at the kids' table and these other two are adults.
jordan holmes
And the aggressive interruption of, if I have to listen to you, I'm not going to understand you.
So I'm going to take things where I can understand them.
And then you'll just baby brains.
And you'll be like, I guess I agree with you, Alex.
dan friesen
I guess so.
That's your show.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And again, I want to say, I didn't, I don't know who these guys are.
And if they suck in the last 20 years, I apologize.
jordan holmes
It's been 20 years.
We're not doing this.
There's plenty of people who suck over the past 20 years.
dan friesen
So that thought that you had earlier about how the consequences unfold if you don't punish a president for doing the kinds of things that the presidents have done.
Day One: The Wrong Clip 00:02:18
jordan holmes
Will happen.
dan friesen
Alex literally says that.
jordan holmes
Huh.
alex jones
This was all done by design.
They're going to let the Republicans become the image of a demon, and they're going to put Democrats in later who will continue carrying out the policies.
And then so-called conservatism itself, things that are important, like the Second Amendment to protect ourselves from these tyrants, and other things are going to be demonized further.
And it's all set up by design.
But we have got to punish the executive now because clearly the elite wants an imperial executive.
Bush is just their puppet.
This is the globalists want this dictatorship of their own control.
And this is classical.
I mean, Bush is announcing he's a dictator.
You know, the jokes of 2000 and 2001, if I was a dictator, you know, things would be a lot better just as long as I'm the dictator.
In fact, grab that clip.
Scott, can you find that and get that ready?
I want to play that audio for folks.
dan friesen
Let me just grab that for you.
sean hannity
You are promising America tonight you would never abuse power as retribution against anybody.
donald j trump
Except for day one.
sean hannity
Except for he's going crazy.
donald j trump
Except for day one.
Meaning, I want to close the border and I want to drill.
sean hannity
That's not all.
donald j trump
That's real.
sean hannity
That's not retribution.
donald j trump
I'm going to be.
unidentified
You know, he keeps.
We love this guy.
donald j trump
He says, you're not going to be a dictator, are you?
I said, no, no, no, other than day one.
dan friesen
Oh, sorry.
Wrong clip here.
This is the right one.
donald j trump
So the line is that I'm a dictator, but I stopped crying.
So a lot of people say, you know, if that's the case, I'd rather have a dictator.
But I'm not a dictator.
I just had to stop crying.
dan friesen
Oh, shit.
Wrong clip.
Hold on.
Here's the right one.
donald j trump
We had a good speech.
We got great reviews.
I can't believe it.
We got good reviews in that speech.
Usually they say he's a horrible dictator type person.
I'm a dictator.
But sometimes you need a dictator.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So maybe Alex was right that if we didn't punish the executive branch for its misdeeds in 2006, we were heading for a dictatorship.
I'm willing to say that his instincts were correct on that, but I say that with one major caveat.
If we accept that Alex had this level of clarity and insight, then we have to also accept that his actions in the recent past are a clear-headed support of dictatorship.
It's a situation where him being kind of right about something actually makes him way worse of a person because there's no way to plead ignorance.
Saying Something True 00:07:49
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You fucking know what you're doing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, I'm just, I'm thinking about the power of saying something true and attributing it to they.
You know, like, of all the things that you could do damaging in this time period, it is to associate any like actual truth with, and it's because of the evil overlords, you know, like to shittify being honest, right?
Just to make, to make, like, hey, man, this is a very reasonable point.
And that's because we don't deal with the demon aliens that are taking over.
dan friesen
Are you trying to describe a turd in a punch bowl?
jordan holmes
A little bit like a turd in a punch bowl.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Somebody who would like take something that seems reasonable.
dan friesen
Like punch.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
And then put a turd in it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That would be Alex.
dan friesen
He's described other people like that accurately also, by the way.
jordan holmes
Well, you know, they've all, they're all the turd in a turd bowl.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And that's the problem.
dan friesen
So those guys who want to impeach Bush leave, and Alex is left alone with his weird doctor.
jordan holmes
Who's there the whole time?
Why?
dan friesen
He pipes up a couple times.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
He's there.
He stays because he and Alex are buddies.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he's never been in studio before.
jordan holmes
Oh, that makes sense.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
I gotcha.
dan friesen
But yeah, he's having a bit of a ride along.
He's taking it in.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
I gotcha.
dan friesen
The other guys were on the phone.
So he didn't have to give up his.
jordan holmes
Why not just hang?
dan friesen
Hey.
So then they take some calls and the doctor guy is still there.
jordan holmes
Uh-oh.
dan friesen
And this is a great, great Alex moment.
unidentified
The other thing is, I don't know.
dan friesen
Do you know about Michael Edward Bell from Kenosha, Wisconsin?
dan dewalt
He was shot in the head by the KPD police department.
alex jones
Yeah, they admitted it.
He should lay on the ground.
He laid on the ground and I've got the report and they shot him in the head.
And then the cops of the government said we're allowed to kill you.
dan dewalt
Yeah, I was just wondering if you knew about that story or not or if like you have put.
alex jones
Yes, I actually have it here in front of me and I believe we did post it.
Thanks for the call.
Dr. Breeding comments on that.
unidentified
It's unspeakable.
larry in unknown
So we're speaking it.
You speak the truth, declare the truth.
dan friesen
This caller has to know that neither Alex nor his doctor friend know anything about this case that he brought up.
There's no reason that Alex would have this story in his stack of news to cover that date because the shooting happened in 2004.
unidentified
Ooh.
dan friesen
Alex also has basic details of the story wrong, like the fact that the police had Bell against his car when they shot him, not on the ground.
Further, they didn't claim that they can just kill people.
The police argued that Bell had tried to grab one of their guns, which was later proven to be forensically impossible since none of his DNA was found on that gun.
What you hear in that clip is Alex being aware that he should know something about this case that the caller is bringing up.
The character that he plays would know about it.
So when confronted with the question, he has to bluff.
Not only does Alex know about this story, he's getting ready to cover it today before this caller even brought it up.
jordan holmes
That's crazy.
He was there when the caller woke up this morning.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
He broke this story.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
That happened yesterday and not several years ago.
dan friesen
One of the big tells here is Alex throwing it immediately to his guests to buy time.
But unfortunately for him, that dude knows even less about the shooting.
The other tell is Alex getting the guy off the phone immediately.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, that one was quick.
dan friesen
Hanging up on the guy and then being like, hey, weird doctor, what do you think?
jordan holmes
Also, the level of unpreparedness that this doctor was, that's not fair.
That's not fair to do to him.
dan friesen
Are unspeakable truths when you speak the truth.
jordan holmes
Honestly, that was terrible and insane, but it wasn't as bad as it could have been.
That guy is thrown into an impossible position to try and make something up about something he doesn't know he's got to try and make something about that he doesn't want to try and make up something about.
dan friesen
Yeah, he gives off the vibe of someone who is like, all pharmaceutical drugs are evil, but also I'm on a Kwalud.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
Absolutely.
All pharmaceutical drugs are illegal.
There's some good ones.
There's some good ones if you know what you're doing.
dan friesen
So I just thought that that is a perfect little moment for Alex.
And I'd like to leave us on that feeling.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because the rest of the show isn't really all that interesting.
But, yeah, Alex knows the character he's supposed to play.
And you see it throughout this episode.
And it's in very stark contrast to who he's become.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, it is like watching it 20 years ago, watching it 10 years ago, watching it now, all of that stuff.
For people, I think, who get a slice of it, you know, little slices here and there, they go, is it real?
What does he actually believe?
All of that stuff, you know, and those questions.
But if you look at it in the totality, it's all real and it's all not real.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He believes all of it and he believes none of it.
He is always only ever playing the character that the moment requires him of, you know?
dan friesen
Reality does not matter, but the reality of his priorities does.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And his priorities are essentially about maintaining what he believes to be the natural order.
Yep.
jordan holmes
And as taught to him by JBS people on his dad's knee.
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he wants you to stalk people.
That's the other part of it.
jordan holmes
Man, 20 years, man.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's the other thing, too.
You got to think about it.
He's like 31, probably.
You know, it's that's crazy.
jordan holmes
It is crazy.
I mean, then there's also the possibility.
There's also the possibility, and we'll never be able to know for sure until after he's dead, but he could have a brain parasite.
dan friesen
True.
jordan holmes
You know, something could have crawled inside of his brain.
We don't even know what parasites do what.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Maybe this is what happens with the really bad toxoplasma Gandhi, you know?
Like the really bad stuff turns you into a fascist.
dan friesen
I have an argument to make, and I think it's a bad one.
So I'm going to warn you right now.
jordan holmes
Let's get it.
dan friesen
If we allow for full-size demons, what would stop one of these little things that go into your brain from being a little demon germ?
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's a good question.
dan friesen
Germs could be demons.
jordan holmes
That is definitely true.
dan friesen
So that's probably what happened.
jordan holmes
I would assume so.
dan friesen
Alex has a demon parasite of some sort.
And that explains his drastic shift.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's probably got the mushroom thing from The Last of Us.
That's probably what happened.
dan friesen
This checks out.
Also, it makes you hate Muslims.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's a weird part of the mushroom.
It's crazy how prejudiced those mushrooms are.
dan friesen
Yep.
I hate going back to a random date and it feeling present.
You know, like it feels like it's in conversation with the present.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I wish it would have been a little bit sillier, but still fun.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, I think the problem there is just no matter how.
Okay, we're always going to be getting older, and the past is always going to be what it was.
So anytime you add like 20 years to that, you're going to be like, ah, fuck.
That's in conversation with the present.
dan friesen
No, not if we'd randomly gone back to the day where someone stole a chicken or whatever the fuck.
Yeah, that's true.
jordan holmes
That would have been a good day.
That would have been a good day.
You never know when somebody's going to steal a chicken.
dan friesen
Alex had a movie review or something.
Like, you know, that would have been a nice little piece of randomness.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
March 10th, he will.
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jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Maybe we stay in 2006 until it starts getting wrong about the present.
dan friesen
The water is nicer.
jordan holmes
It is a lot nicer.
dan friesen
And you know what?
unidentified
I think.
jordan holmes
Stakes are toll roads, man.
dan friesen
But you know what?
We have to get back to the present.
alex jones
And why are you doing what you're doing?
dan friesen
Good point.
We'll stay in the past.
jordan holmes
I think that's a good call.
So more ventriloquism, please.
More ventriloquism.
dan friesen
I love it when he has a guest name for him.
Anyway, we'll be back with another episode, probably from the past.
But until then, we have a website.
unidentified
Indeed, we do.
jordan holmes
It's KnowledgeFight.com.
dan friesen
Yep, we'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I am the mysterious professor.
unidentified
Yeah, woo, yeah, woo.
jordan holmes
And now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
unidentified
Thanks for holding.
andy in kansas
So, Alex, I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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