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Dec. 29, 2025 - Knowledge Fight
01:25:11
Participants
Main
a
alex jones
infowars 10:18
d
dan friesen
46:38
j
jordan holmes
21:02
Appearances
d
donald j trump
admin 00:46
i
ivan raiklin
01:20
l
laura loomer
00:41
p
pete hegseth
admin 00:46
Clips
k
kandiss taylor
r 00:27
Callers
andy in kansas
callers 00:06
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Speaker Time Text
donald j trump
I have great respect for knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys.
alex jones
Shang, we are the bad guys.
Knowledge fight.
donald j trump
Dan and Jordan.
unidentified
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
I need money.
unidentified
Riddler, rattler, riddler.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
Andy and Tandy.
Stop it.
Andy and Kansas.
unidentified
Andy in Kansas.
Andy.
alex jones
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding us.
andy in kansas
Hello, Alex.
I'm a fishman, Colin America saying I love your room.
unidentified
Knowledge fight.
Knowledgefight.com.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around.
We're just put the altar of Celine and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
I have a quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today?
dan friesen
What date is it?
jordan holmes
It is.
I actually don't know.
Is it the 30th?
How many days are they?
29th?
December 29th.
Right.
dan friesen
All right.
jordan holmes
Well, that means that it's my bright spot first.
dan friesen
You've learned.
jordan holmes
How about that?
It only took us till December 31st.
dan friesen
Yep.
unidentified
And now we're going to flip it back to normal.
jordan holmes
Well, my bright spot is the reason that we are recording this early on Monday instead of Sunday.
I spent the weekend with my family and had a lovely post-Christmas celebration kind of thing.
dan friesen
Nice.
jordan holmes
It was great.
We all got along fine.
dan friesen
Almost died in the fog.
jordan holmes
Here's, well, the way home.
Yeah, the other bright spot is surviving it.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
On the right back, apparently, 80 was destroyed by a freezing cold winter hurricane thing, which covered in fog and rain and all that stuff.
And we barely escaped it, barely white-knuckled our way home, got our pups and made it into Chicago, and we're fine.
It was great.
Other than being terrifying, right?
It was like, you know, it's edge of your seat.
It was a roller coaster ride.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's like a boss battle that you finish with a sliver of life.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You're like, I did it.
I don't know how or why.
dan friesen
Now I got to go healing potion my ass.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
I'm going to go rest at the campsite.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
That's the plan there.
dan friesen
That's nice.
I'm glad you had a nice little trip.
jordan holmes
It was wonderful.
Absolutely.
And how about yourself?
What day is it?
dan friesen
It is the same day.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
And because of that, we are still in December, and I'm celebrating cheese even though the advent calendar ended on the 24th.
Right.
And since we're so close to the new year, I got a special cheese for the new year.
alex jones
I wake up at like 3 a.m.
God wakes me up and tells me something.
And then he says, it's, you know, time to get cheesy.
And I say, yes, yes, yes.
unidentified
God gives you the options.
alex jones
Cheddar cheese.
Please, pepper jack cheese, cheese, please, Swiss cheese, cheese.
unidentified
Give me cheese, Shagilly Death.
dan friesen
Thank you to Garrett for that one.
jordan holmes
That one was solid.
dan friesen
That's fantastic.
jordan holmes
That was great.
dan friesen
Yep.
So today, I've got a special.
I would say that this is New Year's themed a little bit.
This is champagne cheese.
unidentified
Ooh.
dan friesen
Champagne cheddar.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Is it from the Champagne region of France or is it just named champagne cheese?
dan friesen
Now, here, here's the thing.
jordan holmes
What is the thing?
dan friesen
It says it's imported from England.
I've got red flags even on that.
I'm not sure that that's true.
But if it is, then it's not champagne.
It should be sparkling cheese.
Sparkling cheese.
Yes, yeah, yeah.
So I'm going to open this up and give it a try, and Jordan's going to vamp.
jordan holmes
Wonderful.
Here's the thing about vamping today: I'm going to use this time instead to tell everybody that my niece, the second child of my brother, has finally smiled at me, and she even said a word to me.
She said hello.
She also screamed at me a couple of times, and she made eye contact.
This little girl has made eye contact with everybody else in my family.
Up until yesterday, it was me alone who had nothing, who had no relationship with her.
And so it was a bright, shining thing that happened to me.
While at the same time, also, she's three years old.
So I don't know if any of this is going to last.
Tomorrow could be, she's forgotten my name entirely, but I won one.
And so I'm going to take it as a victory and call it a day.
dan friesen
I raised my cheese to use.
jordan holmes
Yes, absolutely.
A champagne cheese clink.
dan friesen
Yeah.
That's great.
I don't know.
I don't taste champagne in there at all.
The whiskey cheddar had more of whiskey to it.
This is not, I don't know.
unidentified
It's just a regular cheddar that they're trying to make celebratory.
jordan holmes
No, it tastes probably fine.
dan friesen
Always eat a cheddar.
jordan holmes
You'll always eat a cheddar.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Keep it sharp.
jordan holmes
I mean.
What is the sharpness on cheddar actually mean?
Like, there's extra sharp cheddar.
There's sharp cheddar.
There's that.
I don't know what that means, though.
I don't eat cheese.
dan friesen
You know what?
I don't either.
But I do.
jordan holmes
Hey, you were looking at me like I'm crazy.
unidentified
And then.
dan friesen
No, I was looking at you like that because I was worried.
jordan holmes
But you don't know either.
dan friesen
It's a tartness.
There's kind of like a soury, it's a more heightened.
One of the reasons I struggle with answering this question is sharp feels like so right.
It's the right word.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay.
See, that's the thing.
I don't like cheese on the whole.
So I don't understand your cheese lingo.
dan friesen
You know, with spiciness, you know, you've got the Scoville unit.
Sure, sure.
So you can kind of discuss it in that.
I don't know if there is the equivalent.
Is there a cheesel unit?
There might be.
I just don't know.
But yeah, I like really sharp.
I like a sharp cheddar.
jordan holmes
You like a kick.
All right.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
I'll take it.
dan friesen
So this cheese is a little bit of a dud, but that is good because I have a second bright spot.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
And that is that we could not end the year off without another episode of MacGyver.
unidentified
Oh.
dan friesen
Back on my bullshit.
jordan holmes
All right.
First question: smooches, no smooches.
dan friesen
This episode is decidedly not about kissing.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
No kissing.
jordan holmes
No smooches.
dan friesen
Nope.
You know what I should have done when I opened the cheese and vamped?
You should have tried to guess what the plot of this MacGyver is.
jordan holmes
I mean, here's the problem.
Once you have established that already we could just be mad at ants, that leaves everything open.
I wouldn't be surprised if there was an episode where it was like, is that actually an alien stealth move?
And then at the end, they just kind of disappear and you're like, could be.
dan friesen
So this episode is about a guy who's going to testify against his brother who runs a drug operation, a coffee thing.
jordan holmes
Snitch!
dan friesen
Yeah, but he has a, you know, he's doing it because a kid that he works with got hot shot and he died from drugs.
jordan holmes
Oh, man, that's rough.
Hard to make that decision to snitch or not to snitch there is difficult.
dan friesen
I think that the way that this episode plays out, snitch is the right option.
jordan holmes
Justice sucks.
dan friesen
The brother sucks.
jordan holmes
Right.
Fair enough.
dan friesen
So he goes over to MacGyver's house to meet up with the federal marshals.
So now we know where MacGyver lives.
He has an apartment in California, which he, I swear to God, he lived at a planetarium in the first episode.
This makes no sense.
So he goes over there to meet up with the guy.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He ends up getting kidnapped while MacGyver's getting him coffee.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
dan friesen
MacGyver's got to go save him.
Of course.
And return him to the Marshalls.
But he wants to go talk to his mom for the last time.
His mom's in the hospital.
And so he's like, I got to go talk to my mom.
And the marshals are like, no.
Your brother will be there.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that would be how it works.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And so he's like, MacGyver, go talk to my mom.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
So MacGyver has to go talk to his mom.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
He delivers this message from her son.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And she's like, I'm dying.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
dan friesen
I know I'm dying.
jordan holmes
Did he go through the window?
Did he like have to sneak in there or just front door?
dan friesen
MacGyver walked in the front door and is having a great time with her.
jordan holmes
I was really thinking he would have to climb in through the window of some sort.
dan friesen
It seems like they hit it off to the point where later he tells the guy, Give your mom a kiss from me.
So maybe there is some smooch.
jordan holmes
So there is a smooch there.
Yeah.
dan friesen
No remote smooch.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
dan friesen
But there is.
So, yeah, MacGyver's talking to her.
She's like, I'm dying.
I know it.
I want to talk to my son one last time.
Can you bring him here?
No.
So MacGyver's like, I got to bring the kid here.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So he goes to the Marshalls and he's like, I got to get this message to the witness.
His mom wants to talk to him.
And the marshals are like, no.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
What are we doing here?
dan friesen
So MacGyver has to kidnap him.
He kidnaps him from federal custody to get him to the hospital to say goodbye to his mom.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But the other brother has taken the mom out of the hospital and put her in his fortress of a home.
So now MacGyver with the witness has to break into the mob guy's house in order for the guy to say goodbye to his mom, which everyone knows is a trap.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's the most obvious trap there's ever been.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So the guy's got to get in there to say goodbye to his mom, and then MacGyver's got to break him out.
Right.
What excitement.
jordan holmes
I say this: I have, I struggle with plots that I feel are entirely self-inflicted.
You know, like that's that's one of those things where if I watch a plot and I go, you guys should just not be doing this and it would be fine.
That's it, that's a bummer.
I tend to turn it off.
dan friesen
I was riveted.
I thought it was fantastic because the stakes of it are so like, I just want to say goodbye to my mom.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I want to do the right thing in terms of testifying against my brother.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But I got to say goodbye to my mom.
jordan holmes
There is a higher justice.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And everything is so fucking stupid.
Like the way that MacIver does all this stuff is, you know, it's parodied for a reason.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's crazy.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
How does he are we are we at paperclip level?
Because I feel like solving things purely via paperclip wasn't until later on.
dan friesen
No, he has to hack or hotwire a car using just a paperclip in this.
But he also clears out a federal courthouse using dry ice, pop rocks, and soda in the air valves, which is great.
jordan holmes
I mean, I do like that he solves problems with creativity.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
You know, that is the best part.
dan friesen
And I think that there's a lot of like one of the unsung pieces of why this show works is you're often watching him solve problems and he's silent.
And you're like, what the fuck is he doing?
Yeah.
And then it all pays off together.
You know, like that, that kind of like he builds these contraptions.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And you're having fun watching him do it.
And you're like, how's that going to do anything?
Ah.
jordan holmes
In a way, it's like, in a way, MacGyver is the precursor to MythBusters.
dan friesen
It's the reason it's necessary.
Those guys wouldn't have a job if it wasn't for MacGyver.
jordan holmes
That is true.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So one other thing: there's no kissing, but we did learn something about who this guy is.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And the MacIver is.
Right.
jordan holmes
His backstory.
dan friesen
Present story.
jordan holmes
You're right.
dan friesen
The Marshal is telling the witness, you're going to testify.
We're going to have you at a safe house during the trial, and then MacGyver takes over and he'll give you a new identity.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
So, MacGyver is working with the federal government in a capacity that he's able to make people disappear and give them new identities.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
So, it might be that his job is that he's a witness protection guy.
Yeah.
But then I don't know why he's doing the ant thing.
jordan holmes
I mean, I appreciate, I appreciate a jack of all trades.
My problem here is: I wonder what his LLC is like.
How does his contracting work?
Because we're talking about sums of money from the government and also from overseas, presumably.
Yeah.
So, his, I would not want to try and itemize that.
And then you're talking about travel expenses purely.
Like, is he running game?
Is he having like business lunches?
You know what I'm saying?
Like, what's this man up to?
dan friesen
You're trying to expense the coffee.
Exactly.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Can you trust MacGyver with your corporate one last thought that I had while watching it was like, I love this world so much because there's clarity.
If you are a bad guy in this world and you see MacGyver, give up.
Like, it's awesome.
He doesn't hate you, but you're not going to win.
It's like, it's so clear.
Everything's so clear.
Everyone's stupid if they think that they're going to get one over on MacGyver.
jordan holmes
Okay, let me ask you this question.
I'll ask you one question about MacGyver.
All right.
Maybe we'll do this every time.
Maybe I get one question about MacGyver every episode.
dan friesen
I'll allow two.
jordan holmes
Okay.
When we're dealing with MacGyver, all right, as compared to like a CSI or a like, I'm in the FBR show, you know, one of those.
And there's always that moment in the FBI where it's like, I'm all about this.
We got to get that guy.
Is MacGyver more detached?
Like, I'm out here just trying to do my job, buddy.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
He's not just trying to do his job.
He seems like he's annoyed a lot of the time, or almost like more interested in the little machines and the little tricks that he can do.
So, like, there's a, there's one thing.
Here's what I would say.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This answers your question, and it doesn't.
jordan holmes
Okay.
The best kind of answer.
dan friesen
The opening of MacGyver is a bunch of clips from episodes.
And it ends, the intro music ends with him going like, like, letting out a sigh of like, like, it's a good thing I'm done with that.
Yeah, and that kind of feels like what that feels spiritually like that's his vibe.
jordan holmes
I just gotta, I just gotta get through this, and then I'll be like, whoo.
All right, now back to true crime.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think, I think that there is a feeling like he must have hobbies that you would rather be doing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Okay.
dan friesen
But his hobbies might just be like improvising devices and stuff.
jordan holmes
All right.
I like it.
End of question.
dan friesen
And compared to all those other shows, like he clearly doesn't act like a cop.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like he does not have any problem breaking into places and stuff.
So like he just kind of feels like I am that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I was.
dan friesen
I'm the best.
jordan holmes
No, I was.
I'm thinking about this because I was watching a little bit of fringe.
I was re-watching a little bit of fringe.
Man, those people just pop out guns all the goddamn time.
Just boom, gun.
dan friesen
Scientists.
jordan holmes
Just all the time.
There's a gun in everybody's fucking face.
dan friesen
But to be fair, that the lady is an agent.
jordan holmes
She is an agent.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I just feel like everybody's got a gun into your face.
dan friesen
Yeah.
John Noble never has guns.
jordan holmes
No, no.
All the best characters in all of these shows do not use guns.
dan friesen
Astrid doesn't use guns.
jordan holmes
Nope, not once.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
The cow doesn't use guns.
jordan holmes
The cow does use guns, I think.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah, that's true.
I forgot about that episode.
That was a weird episode.
jordan holmes
It was a weird episode.
dan friesen
Utter gun.
jordan holmes
Utter guns.
Utter gun.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So today, Jordan, we have an episode to go over.
We're going to be talking about December 3rd, 2025 on Alex's show.
I think we are beginning something that will probably take up the next months of our lives.
There is a trajectory that Alex has set himself on that I think is in a large part a reaction to those moments, those big inflection moments that we've been talking about and Charlie Kirk's assassination.
I think that these things have set a course and now they're starting to come to fruition in Alex's destiny.
And we'll talk a little bit about this episode, but first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So, first, why can't the French count to four?
They always run into the tree.
Thank you so much, Jeron Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Isn't it troi?
jordan holmes
I have no idea.
dan friesen
Is it a joke?
I feel like it's supposed to be a joke.
jordan holmes
Right.
Well, I mean, it's a joke on tree and three, presumably, but in French, it's trois.
Yeah.
Which is a tree also a trois?
dan friesen
Well, the cat is up in the troi.
Next.
jordan holmes
Moving on.
dan friesen
Custler Hustlers, the world's only Dirk Pitt podcast.
Would love to hear Dan rap Neil Cicarega's song, Wow, Wow.
Thank you so much, Jeron Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
No.
We just had our first child and named him Owen Sawyer, which my brother thinks is a little too close.
Also, Alex's voice is surprisingly soothing to fall asleep to for me, not the baby.
Thank you so much, you're an awful policywonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan.
So thank you so much to Knowledge Fight is Our Post-Sex Cigarette.
Thank you so much, Jeron Technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars.
alex jones
Go home to your mother and tell it you're brilliant.
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
Daddy Sharp.
Jarjar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
He's a loser, little, little kitty baby.
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
You're nasty.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But thank you.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Gross.
Yeah.
So today, we start off on December 3rd, where Alex is starting off, and it is about them boats.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Them boats.
jordan holmes
All right.
unidentified
If you are receiving this transmission, you are the resistance.
Live from theinfowars.com studios.
It's Alex Jones.
alex jones
317 days into the return of the Trump administration.
We are now at the moment of truth.
If they can take out Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth for following Trump's legal and lawful orders, then they will obviously then launch impeachment against Trump for war crimes the UN will pile on.
We know where this is all going.
Obama blew up thousands and thousands of people on the seas and in their homes and at weddings and said that they had the executive power.
Now, you can argue those were war crimes, but what Trump is doing is light years more constitutional.
dan friesen
This is a bad argument that Alex is making, and it's only one he has to make because of the horrible bed that he's made for himself to lie in.
The attacks that Alex is talking about with Obama were awful, and he's right to be critical of them.
But unfortunately, now he's gotten himself in a situation where he needs to find a way to justify the guys he likes doing the same kind of stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
At the core, what Alex is expressing is that he doesn't really care about killing non-combatants.
He's neutral at best on whether or not the military should commit war crimes.
The only relevant variable is whether or not he likes the people doing the war crimes and if he feels personally connected to the power that those people hold.
If it's Obama doing it, Alex is able to grandstand about how wrong these kinds of attacks are.
If it's Trump and Hegseth doing it, the attacks are actually very constitutional.
Here is where this kind of argument lives or dies.
It's now Alex's responsibility to explain the difference between what Obama was doing and what Hegseth is doing.
What is the critical difference that makes one act of killing civilians you've determined are terrorists a war crime, whereas the other one is a legal constitutional act.
jordan holmes
Parentheses are.
dan friesen
The best I think Alex can do is that they're closer to the United States.
And I don't think that works.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
When someone advances contradictory positions and can't explain to you the reason why these situations are different and how the circumstances make their position not contradictory, you should feel a complete freedom to not take them seriously.
This isn't the behavior of someone who's actually interested in ideas.
It's the mark of someone who's trying to justify something they shouldn't.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's a, I mean, after you can have the secret torture memo, you know, and it's like, why wouldn't you just do a secret memo for all the illegal and unconstitutional shit you want to do?
Get a constitutional lawyer to make some stuff up and then put it in a box and then tell nobody about it.
And then you can do whatever you want.
dan friesen
And I think that that's what Alex would do with this boat.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
The boat stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, I mean, you know, I have not seen any president in my lifetime not commit a war crime.
unidentified
None of them have been like, hey, knock it off.
dan friesen
Well, it feels to me like the Constitution and all this stuff exists as like kind of imaginary technicalities.
jordan holmes
It does.
dan friesen
And Alex cheers on people trying to get around them when he likes them and insists everyone follow different rules when he doesn't like them.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
It feels like the Constitution is more like you just need to put more effort into it to break those rules.
And so most people in the government are like a little too lazy to go that far.
It's just too much work.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
There's no rule that says a horse can't kick nuke.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Nobody wrote it down.
A dog can play fucking basketball, my man.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I saw that.
I saw that film.
It was good film.
It's film.
It is.
Make no mistake.
So the globalists are making their move on Pete Hegseth.
It's all, this is just critical.
alex jones
And you notice that this week, but tomorrow, they're going to release the Signal Gate stuff from the beginning of the administration.
Where he got set up with the CIA head and others trying to leak stuff out to make some of the strikes in the Middle East on the Houthis look badly done or that he's not following intelligence rules.
So that's all been set and now that's coming out in the next few days.
South Park produced it weeks ago, but has their special out about Hegseth this week.
And so here's the big news.
Let me just announce it.
There is a live deep state Pentagon coup going right now to remove Hegseth.
And if they're able to do that, they believe the path is clear.
The globalists will have control of the Pentagon with who they're trying to replace him with, and then they're going to make their move on Trump.
dan friesen
Alex is trying to paint the picture that the globalists are directing all of this attention against Hegseth because they're trying to oust him, when in reality, it really just feels like Hegseth is getting criticized for bad stuff that he's done.
The blowing up of boats shit is unacceptable.
His revealing of military actions in advance on Signal is sloppy and dangerous.
And Alex is exaggerating his importance to this season of South Park.
He's a bit player in the whole thing.
JD Vance and Peter Thiel are way more central characters, as is Satan.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well.
dan friesen
For the people he's invested in supporting, any negative attention they get will be reported by Alex as a sign of their virtue.
And that's a double-edged sword.
On the one hand, it makes his job easier with hand-waving away horrible things that his guys do.
But on the other hand, it limits his ability to engage with reality, and it makes him seem really out of touch to anybody who isn't already a fan of his.
And he needs to stop saying, making their move.
He says that too much.
alex jones
What?
jordan holmes
Okay, so they're making their move.
They oust Heg Seth, who can only be ousted presumably by Trump ousting him.
Right?
dan friesen
Maybe Congress.
Sure.
jordan holmes
Oh, well, let's hope an act of Congress would have an effect.
dan friesen
Then maybe Trump could then override or something.
jordan holmes
Let's hope a lot of stuff and let's hope it never gets tested.
Sure.
So then there's an interim guy that Trump has appointed, and then there's an actual guy that Trump has appointed.
So should Heg Seth be ousted, Trump will still be appointing the guy, right?
dan friesen
Right.
But maybe congressional approval is needed for that appointment.
jordan holmes
Sure.
Okay.
So the globalist plan includes somehow influencing Trump to then appoint another guy that would oust him?
dan friesen
Maybe.
Here's the basic sketch of it.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
The globalists under King Podesta, who is the greatest military planner of all time.
jordan holmes
I feel like that's not true.
dan friesen
Has come up with the movie Civil War and One Battle After Another, which Alex has not seen, but he has a feeling about.
It's a pretty good movie.
And these reveal the battle plan where they're going to create a civil war in the United States.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Now, the only thing that could go wrong is if the military stays loyal to Trump during the Civil War.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
They can't have that.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So they need to oust Heg Seth because he's loyal to Trump.
Right.
Anybody else, shaky, dubious loyalty at this, naturally.
So once they get him out, they can start trying to impeach Trump and in the process launch the civil war where the military won't be under Hegseth, who will keep them loyal to Trump in the coming movie that Alex hasn't seen.
jordan holmes
I'll say this for this plan.
Generally speaking, the military doesn't stay on one side in a civil war.
dan friesen
True.
jordan holmes
They split up.
Otherwise, you don't really have a civil war.
You've got one military massacring a bunch of people.
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it's dumb.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But it's what Alex has to do.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, no, it's fair.
This is the way that like everything has to be the domino that knocks over everything else.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Or else why are we talking about it so much?
Right, right, right.
Why did God direct you to do this episode?
Well, because if we don't protect Hegseth, then everyone's dead.
jordan holmes
Right.
Right.
There's no possible way of being like, hey, if you commit an illegal act, you should be justiced.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And you should have to go to a law place.
dan friesen
Yeah.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex is like, he totally got this Hegseth story on his own.
jordan holmes
He totally did.
dan friesen
He has a lot of sources.
But also Laura Loomer's been tweeting about it.
alex jones
And we've got a lot of people in the Pentagon that are obviously giving us information.
I'll leave it at that.
And so I was already planning to come on air today and say they're launching their full coup against Hegseth and explaining it.
Then Laura Loomer, and you know, say what you want about Laura.
She's really smart, does a lot of great investigative reporting.
I get mad at her because she infights and loves drama queening and stuff, which she thinks she's targeting bad people.
I think it's overall destructive.
They may lose the house now because MTG's leaving.
But whatever.
She's still a good person and means well.
And when she says she has the sources, she does.
Because when I read this, it's all dead on.
And I'm talking to her right now.
She's trying to get to a place where she has a good internet so she can come on.
I may just get her on via phone.
I was just talking to her five minutes ago.
Exclusive Secretary of the Army's office plotting a coup at the Pentagon to remove Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth and replace him with the Deep Staters.
It's a long post on X.
It's dead on.
I don't just believe her and her sources, and she's been proven to be dead on.
I already have most of this reverse engineered.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
You figured it all out.
jordan holmes
Most of it.
dan friesen
So the Secretary of the Army is someone who was appointed by Trump, went to college with JD Vance.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I don't know where the, I don't know, man.
jordan holmes
It is really hard to not take responsibility when there's literally nobody else there.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's really hard to do.
dan friesen
You kind of start after blaming the children.
Start blaming each other.
Find people who are on the edges.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Maybe like the Secretary of War.
jordan holmes
It is so funny how much these people just need there to be a solid and competent Democratic Party.
Otherwise, they just hate each other.
Because they're a bunch of idiots.
dan friesen
It's true.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Damn.
jordan holmes
It seems pretty obvious now.
dan friesen
So I think that Alex totally reverse engineered all this.
He's not just woken up and seen a tweet from Laura Loomer and decided, well, we're going to run with this.
Very, very, it's plausible and believable and cool.
Yeah.
And also, Alex has his own reporters at the White House, like Breonna Morello is over there at the White House.
He's talking to the Pentagon right now.
alex jones
No.
The Pentagon today has all these reporters with their chief accountant, our own Breonna Morello, is in three-hour meetings right now with the head accountant of the Pentagon with total transparency about where the tens of trillions missing is.
And Rumsfeld, two days before 9-11, gave a press conference about $2.2 trillion missing.
And then 9-11 happened.
Now it's over, what, $15 trillion or something?
Some numbers are $20 trillion.
I mean, our reporter is there right now, right now, in the Pentagon meeting on this.
You want reform?
You want transparency?
You got it with Eggseth.
dan friesen
It's interesting that Alex is saying this because just a week or two after this episode was recorded, news broke that the Pentagon had failed its eighth straight audit.
To explain what this means, I'll read to you from an article on military.com.
Quote, auditors examine whether systems accurately track spending, assets, liabilities, and inventory.
That includes everything from payroll to contracts to facilities, vehicles, aircraft, ships, and spare parts.
The process also evaluates whether internal controls are strong enough to prevent errors and ensure reliable reporting.
A clean audit opinion would signal that the Pentagon can consistently account for its resources and spending.
Failing the audit means auditors identified material weaknesses that prevent them from reaching that conclusion.
Alex is trying to present this image that Hegseth is running the Pentagon as some kind of fully transparent operation, but it's really as bad or worse than ever.
This is an administration that will happily associate with an Infowars reporter, though.
So that's going to affect the kind of coverage that Alex gives them.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Which is pathetic.
jordan holmes
Wasn't that one of the first big things that people talk about Sanders doing on the national level is working with some other Republican guy to actually audit the Pentagon or the military?
unidentified
Probably.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Man.
Do you know how it went?
dan friesen
Not good.
No.
A lot of, like, there's just stuff that can't ever be done in the world that we've created for ourselves.
jordan holmes
No.
Somebody just described the military as like a big open money pit.
And they just keep throwing money in there.
Nobody knows how much.
Nobody knows where it goes.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Which is in there.
dan friesen
And you know what?
You not wanting to throw money in there makes me think that you don't like America.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
You want us to be vulnerable.
jordan holmes
And let me tell you something.
If you don't throw money in there, it turns out that thing eats people.
It eats people with guns.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I have interesting feelings about this, I guess.
That I don't think Hegseth is necessarily to blame for the Pentagon failing an audit.
jordan holmes
Kind of.
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's to blame for not demanding that they pass it.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
But it's an institutional rot kind of problem that we've just all gotten complacent about.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
If it were possible for him to, even should he be like, I demand we pass this audit, if it were possible, it probably would have happened in the past 50 years, at least once.
dan friesen
Maybe.
And it's theoretically possible.
jordan holmes
It is theoretically possible.
dan friesen
But I don't know enough to know what would have to go into how many secret projects would we have to put in richers.
jordan holmes
No, the amount of money they get is crazy enough as it is.
We don't want to find out actually how much money they get.
Jesus.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Maybe we would, but that's a band-aid coming off kind of moment.
jordan holmes
Well, you got to give them all that stuff.
Otherwise, people will eat.
dan friesen
Or those boats won't sink.
So Alex plays a clip of Trump discussing Hagseth sinking these boats and how he's fine with it.
unidentified
Of course.
alex jones
So let's go to a clip from yesterday where Trump does back Hegseth.
Well, you better back him.
You told him to do it.
I looked at the law of the Constitution, the precedent set by Jefferson.
100% you have that.
But now it's a perception battle, so you better keep backing him.
Here's a clip.
donald j trump
As far as the attack is concerned, I didn't, you know, I still haven't gotten a lot of information because I rely on Pete.
jordan holmes
How is that possible?
donald j trump
It was an attack.
It wasn't one strike, two strikes, three strikes.
Somebody asked me a question about the second strike.
I didn't know about the second strike.
I didn't know anything about people.
I wasn't involved in it.
I knew they took out a boat.
But I would say this.
They had a strike.
I hear the gentleman that was in charge of that is extraordinary.
He's an extraordinary person.
I'll let Pete speak about him.
But Pete was satisfied.
Pete didn't know about a second attack having to do with two people.
And I guess Pete would have to speak to it.
I can say this.
I want those boats taken out.
dan friesen
So you may notice that Trump brought up something about a second strike, which isn't a detail of the story that Alex has talked about yet.
This is in reference to an attack on a boat that Hegseth carried out, which resulted in a capsized boat and two survivors trying to cling to that wreckage.
Our forces fired on them again, which killed the remaining people.
Even if you believe that these people were narco-terrorists who were captaining boats full of drugs to the United States in order to kill Americans, there doesn't seem to be a justification to kill the survivors of the first attack.
There's no reason they couldn't have just been apprehended at that point and made to stand trial for whatever offenses they were accused of.
So firing on them again really just feels like state murder, which Alex is notorious for pretending to be opposed to.
It's just, it doesn't, you really, you really struggle to see the point.
jordan holmes
That is, that is the type of shit, like, it should be undeniable now.
It should be undeniable.
No one should be able to deny it.
Nobody should have a conversation about it.
Because in a movie like fucking, I don't know, Red Dawn or some shit, one of the most obvious ways that you make the bad guy appear the bad guy is they shoot defenseless people to death.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
That's us!
dan friesen
Yeah, and just, you know, so we're clear, let's make sure of all the details of what happened.
Sure.
But let's not, let's, let's not kid ourselves.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
If you shoot at people who are in the water, I don't know for drowning to be more the bad guy.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
It's over the top.
In movies, you go, Jesus, no one would behave like that.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's pretty bad.
jordan holmes
Well, there we go.
dan friesen
So Pete Hegseth, his whole thing is like, I didn't see it.
He signed off on the first attack, and then he went about his business, and he missed the later stuff.
pete hegseth
I watched that first strike live.
As you can imagine, at the Department of War, we got a lot of things to do.
So I didn't stick around for the hour and two hours, whatever, where all the sensitive site exploitation digitally occurs.
So I moved on to my next meeting.
A couple of hours later, I learned that that commander had made the, which he had the complete authority to do.
And by the way, Admiral Bradley made the correct decision to ultimately sink the boat and eliminate the threat.
He sunk the boat, sunk the boat, and eliminated the threat.
And he was the right call.
We have his back, and the American people are safer because narco-terrorists know you can't bring drugs through the water and eventually on land if necessary to the American people.
We will eliminate that threat, and we're proud to do it.
dan friesen
This story is obviously a bunch of bullshit, but I want to ignore that for a second just to bring into really sharp focus that listening to this explanation is insane.
Pete Hegseth seems to be justifying the use of the military to kill people based solely on their involvement in drug trafficking.
Are we in a very literal international war on drugs now?
Like, this feels like an entirely unacceptable justification for what happened, even if you have a sincere desire to have less drugs enter the country.
I can't come up with a way to say this strongly enough.
It's pathetic for Alex to support this kind of shit now.
Like, we understood that the war on drugs was a pretext for... Fucking over non-white people.
Sure.
Yeah.
And police to get away with a lot more.
Fucking over non-white people.
Yeah, no.
It has a subsidiary benefit of more tickets.
Right.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Totally.
dan friesen
There's a financial side to it, too.
We all understood that it was nonsense and it wasn't dealing with the issues that drugs represent.
Right.
And to imagine that we are now doing this internationally is so exhausting.
jordan holmes
My first response to both of these assholes is exactly what happens when we were listening to those fucking depositions and Rob Dew is like, I don't know about this.
You're not allowed to not know.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Even if you personally don't know or weren't there, you are representing the knowing of this.
dan friesen
Yeah, you have, you're the Department of Defense who has now renamed himself the Department of War.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You have an obligation.
If not you, then no one.
jordan holmes
No, and it's still your fault.
That's the whole point of that the system exists to hold the top accountable.
Not so both the top and the bottom could go, it's not really our fault.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You know?
dan friesen
And the ideal situation is that when there are problems in the lower areas of command, let's say, the higher area of command takes responsibility, but solves those problems.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Does not skirt responsibility.
It doesn't say like, hey, everything is actually cool.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
You say like, no, look, there's a problem here.
We're going to address this.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Somebody's, I mean, at the end of the day, it used to be, it felt like everybody understood sometimes heads roll and that's what keeps the people quiet.
You know, you make some asshole resign for shit that's not his fault, but everybody goes, see, they did something.
You know?
It doesn't even feel like they bother with that shit anymore.
They're just like, yeah, I murder people.
Whatever.
dan friesen
Well, fuck you.
It comes to what Alex is expressing with his Hegseth conspiracies.
He's like, we must defend Hegseth because if we don't, then the implication of him getting in trouble means that Trump should get in trouble.
And Hegseth is defending everybody beneath him because he knows if I don't, then it implicates me.
alex jones
Yep.
dan friesen
And no one will take responsibility at any point because of the implications of it.
Yep.
jordan holmes
Because they're just bad people.
dan friesen
Yes.
But Alex has a defense of Hegseth, and it sucks.
alex jones
I've studied the military, never been in it, but I've studied it from the top to the bottom.
I share military very well.
But again, Hegseth didn't do what they said he did.
If he did it, it's legal and lawful.
Obviously, they're trying to tell how it works.
You keep bombing it until it's totally destroyed and everybody's dead.
That's the mission.
Kill people, break things.
But they know the public doesn't understand this in general, so they're playing these games like everything else they do over and over and over again to do what?
To say Hegset's illegitimate, Trump's illegitimate.
Anybody that backs him is illegitimate.
dan friesen
This position that Alex is putting forward cannot be reconciled with his political beliefs when Obama and Bush were in office.
His mentality is in direct opposition with his previous philosophy about war, and it's hard to put it any other way than to say that he's a boot-looking warmonger.
The Geneva Conventions are very clear about shipwrecked people, even people who were active combatants prior to being shipwrecked.
Once their ship is wrecked, you can't just shoot them as they tread water.
It doesn't seem to be even disputed by Hegseth nor by Alex that they made a decision to kill the survivors of the first attack, which is a crime under international law.
People aren't upset about this or pretending to be just so they can have a reason to think that Hegseth or Trump are bad.
They believe that Hegseth and Trump are bad because they do bad things, this being a prime example of them.
There have been a lot of these kind of very clear moments in the past year or so, but this is another one of those.
Alex has lost his soul points.
The person he's pretended to be in the 90s and 2000s never would have accepted the U.S. government acting like this, let alone would he have been an active cheerleader for their attacks.
It's crazy.
The fact that he's saying that he didn't do this, and if he did, it's nothing wrong.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's crazy.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's the parody of justification and spin.
jordan holmes
These people, it's hard for them to, they just don't understand how things work in reality.
Like, the Geneva Conventions, to them, they think of as limitations on what it is they're allowed to do.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
As opposed to a global agreement that if you wage total war on someone, you are opening yourself to total war being waged upon you.
dan friesen
True.
jordan holmes
So the idea is: if you want to fucking fight each other, go to fight places.
Otherwise, it's totally fine for us to murder whomever the fuck we want and burn your shit to the fucking ground.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's what a lot of the people who are discussing, you know, like people who write essays about the commentary about the second strike aspect of this.
jordan holmes
No, absolutely.
dan friesen
That's one of their main points.
It's like, why would anybody ever follow rules of engagement against us if this is the way that we're behaving?
jordan holmes
Absolutely not.
No, go fucking.
dan friesen
Such a dangerous precedent to set in terms of like how, and sure, we're not perfect.
Sure.
And we've breached things a lot in the past.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
But when you're brazen about it and you're like, no, this is just how we do things, that's a different countenance.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's absurd.
Like, the idea, we live in a world where fucking, because somebody shot at somebody in Iraq, Trump drops the mother of all fucking bombs.
You know, like, that's...
dan friesen
That's his first term.
jordan holmes
Yeah, whatever.
dan friesen
That was chill trouble.
jordan holmes
But the thing there is, we have already accepted that for this, this is the response.
If you then do that to Venezuela, it is okay for Venezuela to go fuck you up.
That is the implied thing that we have lived under the entire time.
dan friesen
Right.
And there's really, I mean, I'm not saying they should, obviously, but there's no reason that we would have a moral high ground if they did like a chemical attack or a terrorist attack of some sort.
Absolutely not like the international structures of agreements and things that we use to like say what is right and what is wrong are things that we are violating wantonly.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
If Venezuela bombed Jacksonville, we'd have to go like, yeah, well, that's what happens.
It's our fault.
dan friesen
I definitely wouldn't, but you know, you'd, you'd, what do you say?
unidentified
Right?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Hey, don't.
dan friesen
Yeah, I would say don't.
jordan holmes
I would say.
dan friesen
From an international perspective, you're like, what the fuck else are they going to do?
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
Don't is a reasonable response.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Fuck.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Laura Loomer comes on.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
She's got so many meetings, and Alex is able to get a hold of her to come in and do a little coverage.
alex jones
Laura, thank you for coming on.
This is very urgent.
I just wanted to get this out right now.
Gibbons, a boil down.
unidentified
Yeah, well, thanks so much for having me on, Alex.
laura loomer
People can review this report on my ex account, and I broke a story the other day, the first day of the Pentagon Press Corps orientation about this coup against Secretary of War Pete Hegseth.
kandiss taylor
And my sources, high-level sources here inside the Pentagon, have told me that the stories that are being planted against Secretary of War Headseth are coming from inside Secretary of Army Dan Driscoll's office.
unidentified
And, you know, people have been following my reporting over the last few months.
laura loomer
They know that I have called out the Army Secretary multiple times for some of his behavior since he has been the Army Secretary, including going jogging with Eugene Binman, one of the architects of the impeachments against President Trump.
He colluded with his brother, Alexander Binman, as you know, also to highlighting and platforming a Medal of Honor recipient who spoke while in his uniform at the DNC convention in 2016, bashing President Trump.
unidentified
And we know that's a violation.
You're not supposed to engage in artisan political behavior while you're in uniform.
dan friesen
Y'all are grasping at straws.
unidentified
Brutal.
dan friesen
Do you remember Trump's military parade?
jordan holmes
Man.
dan friesen
This is all very sad.
Yeah.
And one of the big pieces of evidence is this picture of him jogging with Vindemann's brother.
Stop.
Just stop.
That's not evidence of a coup.
I mean, Trump put the Secretary of the Army in.
He nominated this guy.
The guy went to college with Vance.
jordan holmes
I don't know what to say other than, you know, you should stop this.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Right?
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Listen, you've heard your words before.
They're being recorded right now.
dan friesen
Yeah, this is such silly levels of scapegoating that you're trying to engage in that all it really reveals is how deep underwater you are.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, it is, I mean, again, like, it feels like I don't know how to go low.
I don't know how to go lower because I think creatively we are reaching the point at which evil is absurd for like pop culture.
You know, like for me to write a novel wherein this is the main character, people would just go, oh, come on, man.
It's cartoonishly evil, this person you're making.
I can't relate to them as a moral being at all.
It's almost like they're fucking inhuman.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Well, it's, you know, I resist that line of thought because that's how down that road there be devils.
jordan holmes
I'm not talking about in real life.
I'm talking about in fiction.
I'm talking about literally writing it.
People's, the review would be, I cannot relate to these villains.
dan friesen
See, this is where the distinction I'm trying to make.
Think I can because everything makes sense from the position of being desperate for money and jockeying for position in a new power system.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Like the right-wing media that's evolved since Trump, and especially since Trump won in secretly won't be.
jordan holmes
Whatever all of what we've been doing for a while is.
dan friesen
Yeah.
This media space is like something that they all need to carve their peace out of.
And the villainy and all this shit, like all the actions that you're saying wouldn't make sense, they do make sense.
jordan holmes
I'm not saying that it's not that they don't make sense from a direct line-to-line point of view.
It is that if you're engaging with it, then your immediate reaction is revulsion.
And then this behavior is that of a serial killer.
This is a psychopath.
dan friesen
I think I know what you mean.
It's that this is not a compelling villain because their actions don't make sense outside of a villainous motive.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
You have to be out there going for evil to do this shit.
dan friesen
A good wrestling heel, you kind of think like, they have a point.
They're going about this wrong, but they have a point.
Like Alex in the past, maybe.
jordan holmes
No, absolutely.
dan friesen
Whereas this heel shit is just like, this isn't compelling.
They know they're bad.
They're being bad.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, it is the difference between The Last Jedi and The Rise of Skywalker.
The Last Jedi, yeah, the old needs to be destroyed in favor of the new.
What you do to go about that is the difference between heroism and villainy.
Whereas the rise of Skywalker is trash, just like this administration.
dan friesen
I tuned out because I've forgotten those movies.
Fair enough.
So Alex and Loomer, they are on the same page about one thing, and that is that we must defend Pete Hegseth at all costs.
alex jones
This should be maximum red alert.
If they can get Hegseth claiming he's a war criminal without any evidence, it'll kill all the investigations.
Then they're going to try to impeach Trump when they steal the midterms or even earlier, come in with this war crime thing.
They are full court press right now, so I know you've got to go into another meeting.
unidentified
Well, they want to get somebody who's sympathetic with them in his role.
They want to replace, the Democrats want to replace Pete Hegseth with Dean Driscoll, which is why.
alex jones
This is a Pentagon coup.
I mean, exactly.
Before they can do the larger Podesta plan Democrat coup they've been calling for civil war saying Trump's Hitler, the military needs to revolt.
Well, you start your revolt by removing the loyal Secretary of Defense.
I mean, this is simple.
He's the top domino.
Hegseth and the Pentagon's the Aces Page.
I mean, this is maximum, absolute, everybody needs to be defending Hegseth.
And instead, they're making their main move against him, Laura.
And other people, it's like crickets.
Thank God you're always there.
Sometimes.
kandiss taylor
They want to replace him because they want somebody who's not as conservative and pro-Trump as Pete Hegsep.
Because in order for them to be successful in their coup, not just against Hegseth, but against President Trump, they need to stop the militarization of the borders.
unidentified
They have to stop the deployment of the National Guard to deal with Romans.
alex jones
Which is all constitutional, which is all constitutional, which they've said is illegal.
dan friesen
It's not even a possibility that Alex can consider that maybe Pete Hegseth did something wrong.
There are negative stories about Hegseth and the media, and the only possible reason for that is that someone is trying to take him out so they can more easily take out Trump.
Once again, the InfoWar has mostly become a gossip show by palace intrigue and people speculating on the fantasy coup plots that are going on behind every closed door.
This happens when there's no credible villain for propagandists to deflect anger toward, and they refuse to accept that their side has all the power.
Nick Fuentes doesn't have to do gossip shit.
He can actually criticize the actions of the members of the Trump administration based on the things that they've done.
And a major part of that is his willingness to accept that his side has all the power.
Alex cannot do that because once he accepts that, his show means nothing.
He's not in a political struggle.
He's in a war against the devil.
So if his side has all the power and they don't vanquish the devil, it's pretty obvious that they aren't in that same war with the devil.
Or maybe they're working with the devil.
jordan holmes
Or maybe they suck.
dan friesen
In a political struggle, you can acknowledge that you have control of all three branches of the government and still have a reason not to force your agenda through.
You could think that it could be seen as tyrannical or it might backfire or whatever.
If you're in a war against the devil, you kill the devil if you have the chance because it's the devil.
Subconsciously, this is the struggle that whatever audience Alex has left is going through.
They're suffering from horrible cognitive dissonance about why the guy they elected to kill the devil seems to be working with the devil all the time, even though he has all the power.
It doesn't make any sense why Trump hasn't arrested or killed Bill Gates or Fauci.
Obviously, the Constitution and law would stop him, but law is a human invention, and they're working for the devil.
The devil doesn't have due process rights like the fucking people on those boats.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
As the audience has to deal with seeing Trump not defeat the devil and as they watch Alex support him as he works with the devil, it requires them to come up with new explanations for why this shit is happening.
Alex is hoping that he can redirect people's attention with the Palace Intrigue and by replaying the hits of the deep state days, but he has much stronger competition in the bullshit media space now.
This shit is just not going to fly.
This is probably the worst way that Alex could play the situation because Trump space is pissed right now and they're asking questions.
The only audience that the Palace Intrigue stuff appeals to are entirely passive folks who are ready to accept any explanation someone gives them.
To any person listening critically, Alex's angle on this raises more questions than it answers.
And that's strategically really bad for him.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, if your response to this guy can murder people because he wants to is it's constitutional, you've misunderstood.
Even if that's the case, your response is, so we need to change the Constitution.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Right?
Like, whether or not somebody has ever said this okay is meaningless to me because it is not.
dan friesen
Right, but we short-circuit that and we get around it by saying like, you know what?
You're not even actually mad about that.
They're just tricking you into thinking that you're mad about that because the Secretary of the Army wants to coup Pete Hegson.
jordan holmes
I love it when other people tell me what I'm thinking in my own brain.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And what you're mad about.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's really nice of them.
dan friesen
But if you do that, you're able to get around the visceral feelings you have about like, well, maybe we should change things so you can't just murder people on boats.
jordan holmes
Murder's bad.
dan friesen
Right.
You know, like when there are mass shootings, they get around whatever human feelings you have about it by being like, you only feel bad because the gun rights people are trying to attack the Second Amendment.
Yep.
Yeah, that's how you get around that.
jordan holmes
Heading down the Mariana Trench, and we're going to see how far that motherfucker goes.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Pretty deep.
jordan holmes
Pretty deep.
dan friesen
So Alex explains that, like, some of his audience, they're just not realists.
They don't get that Harris could have won.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
alex jones
We just have a right to expose what they're up to, what they're engaged in, and how they're trying to undermine and act like Trump's a dictator when he's not.
It's the Democrats that want to sell this country out.
The Republicans, you know, have got their own problems.
They've been a horrible party until recently.
But we have formed a beachhead in the country, in the government, of real reform.
And that's what's exciting.
So, again, there's this paradox of people that have woken up who aren't realists that don't have any depth or context.
The appointees, by and large, of Trump have been excellent and are dismantling the globalist system.
Trump's made major mistakes.
His DOJ is a disaster.
We're critical of that.
And are you?
I'm talking about put this out.
I see Comments on X like, oh, he's defending himself for being, you know, sucking Trump's weenie or whatever.
It's not about that.
I don't say that to convince you that my position's right.
I know my position's right.
I'm asking you to be a realist and say, would you rather have Kamala Harris in right now?
dan friesen
The answer that InfoWars should have to the question, would you rather Harris be president, is probably yes.
Absolutely.
From Alex's perspective, it would be way easier for him to make money if there was a credible opposition he was pretending to fight.
But the real reason I say this is because of the philosophy that this show is built on.
Electoral politics is not supposed to matter.
The left-right paradigm is an illusion that the globalists weaponize to control the public.
Politicians are stage actors and they're all controlled except Ron Paul and anyone who gets canceled for saying something really racist.
What matters for the InfoWar is you, the listener, the individual is the most important thing.
You're capable of making the changes that need to be made to save the world.
And all the government can do is either get in your way or stay out of it.
In terms of furthering the goals of waking up the public and uniting the team, I think that Alex's audience would be way better off if Harris had won.
When Biden won, they all got together and stormed the Capitol.
In 2024, when Trump won, there wasn't that kind of unity.
All the attention economy scammers went into overdrive, trying to carve out their own piece of the pie, and a giant civil war has broken out in their media, largely surrounding Israel and the Charlie Kirk murder.
Right now, the only way Alex can use his time is trying to patch up holes in Trump's sinking ship.
You know, explaining that Eggseth's illegal actions are totally legal, trying to spin fun threads about palace intrigue.
It's all rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
Conversely, if Harris had won, all of these right-wing influencers would understand the importance of them working together and not trying to cannibalize each other for the sake of slightly increasing their own audience.
Their coalition is made up of people who fundamentally do not like each other.
So ironically, their best case scenario is to be chasing power, but never actually having it.
Once there is actual power, it makes no sense to let these other folks you hate have a chance at grabbing that power so the attacks ultimately turn inward.
Candace Owens hates Laura Lumert.
Nick Fuentes momentarily hated Tucker until he got on his show and humiliated him.
The list goes on and on with these feuds, and the result of their fighting is a boost in negative headlines towards Trump world figures that each of these people sees as unaligned with themselves.
Mix that up with actual journalists reporting on horrible things that Trump administration figures are doing, and you have a lot of holes that Alex has left running around to patch up, which leaves his content seeming really stupid.
Some of these right-wing media figures have been able to position themselves so that Trump winning is better for them, but most of them are people who are not connected personally to Trump and are free to attack him.
That's the people who benefit the most from Trump winning.
I would say that there are only people who should actually be glad that Harris didn't win are those folks.
Everyone else, including the right-wing movement in this country, would be way better off if the presumed greater of two evils had won and maintained a status quo that wasn't inwardly destructive.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, it turns out getting together a bunch of whiny babies who can't think one year ahead is not a good long-term governance strategy.
I can't believe that.
It's just so shocking.
dan friesen
Right.
And trying to put a patchwork together of groups that all essentially define themselves by exclusion means that once there's a power that is attainable, they will want to use it to exclude the people that they want to exclude.
And sometimes that's contradictory to what another group wants to exclude.
And that's really where their coalition just can't work.
Yep.
And we're all forced to live through it.
jordan holmes
We all hated the same thing until that thing is now out of our way.
Now we all find out we hate different things.
dan friesen
Great.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Thrilled.
So one of the things that I think is a note that we've had and is awful is this idea that Alex has become just like this hack.
He's just a political hack, vote blue no matter who kind of asshole.
Yep.
And he explains in this next clip why that is.
And I do appreciate him actually addressing it.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's nice.
alex jones
Since really the 70s when they got rid of Nixon, and Nixon had his issues, but he was really the president.
jordan holmes
What were Nixon's issues?
alex jones
Decisions are some bad.
jordan holmes
Big?
alex jones
It's all been declassified.
The CIA removed him because they wanted to be in charge.
But we really, after Kennedy got killed and Nixon got removed, the deep state was in charge.
And so the Republican leadership at the top would just share power.
They all intermarry together.
It was all staged.
Uniparty.
That's why I said the left-right paradigm's false.
I coined that term, the false left-right paradigm.
Look it up, I coined it like 29 years ago.
It's picked up at University of Tex now, you name it.
People go, well, wait a minute.
Now you're saying we're Republicans.
Now you're saying we're right-wing.
Back then, it was totally controlled.
And all these terms mean nothing.
Thomas Jefferson was a liberal.
He'd be an ultra-right-winger today.
Terms change.
Liberal used to mean less taxes and more guns and more property and more freedom.
Liberal now means communism and cutting your son's wiener off.
Means transhumanism.
But there really wasn't two parties to speak of until Ron Paul and the Tea Party and everything you and I did together to try to reform the Democrat and Republican parties.
And it turned out we were able to reform because it was Christians and others.
The Republican Party party and perfect, but it's day and night to pair the Democrats now.
And they're just digging in, getting more communist, more satanic, more globalist every day.
dan friesen
So this is helpful.
And I'm really glad that Alex explained this.
So there were multiple political parties up until around the time JFK was assassinated or when Nixon resigned.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
There were 11 years separating those two events, and I'm pretty sure that LBJ did a ton of stuff Alex hated, but whatever.
jordan holmes
His penis was too big to be mad at.
dan friesen
It's not important to nail down an exact date here.
unidentified
True.
dan friesen
In either 1963 or 1974, the deep state took over the country, and then there was a uniparty.
This uniparty was a Cold War-era communist fantasy of the Democratic Party where the Dems were steering the ship and the Republicans had entered into a power-sharing agreement with them.
The Republican Party was essentially controlled opposition, obscuring the fact that the commies had all the power.
This was the state of affairs until Ron Paul came along, but it wasn't Ron Paul that changed the world.
It was Alex and his dumb radio show.
In Alex's telling of the story, his support of Ron Paul created the Tea Party, which took over the Republican Party and has now morphed into the Trump movement.
In effect, he was able to wake up the masses to the existence of the Uniparty by attacking the fraud of the left-right paradigm, which let the Tea Party create a new political party that wasn't based on the GOP of old.
By creating this new entity and using it to power the right wing of the Uniparty in the United States, they were able to take control of the party apparatus.
So now they are truly a separate party.
There finally are two parties in the United States government thanks to Alex.
jordan holmes
I ask this question.
Why were rich people on the same party at the end of it?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
No, weird.
dan friesen
It's a coincidence.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it must be.
dan friesen
So there's such an awesome fantasy here for Alex to have.
And it's such a great way for him to rationalize how pathetically he's descended into team sports in terms of his political views.
It makes him one of the most important figures in American history.
unidentified
Very important.
dan friesen
It gets him off the hook for how obvious it is that he can't engage with the news past Lesser of Two Evils ideas anymore.
Without sarcasm, I say that this is a great effort on his part.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Could be worse.
dan friesen
It's inspired work.
I think, you know, he makes a lot of really bad moves, and it's fair to call out when one is pretty good.
jordan holmes
You know what's interesting to me?
He brought up something that I hadn't really put together, but now I'm starting to see a constellation here.
All right.
Alex, more fun drinking.
More fun when he's drunk.
Nixon, awful person.
He was a drinker, though.
Right?
Trump, no drinks.
This is the problem.
These right-wing monsters are just better when they're partying.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
They're less, or at least they're less damaging to the rest of the world.
dan friesen
If they're teetotalers, they're going to fuck around and start a world war over Trump.
jordan holmes
Teeth cannot be allowed anywhere near the government.
You need to be fucked up and be like, I shouldn't do this.
That's what you should feel.
Most of the time when you're in government, you should be like, I'm too high for this.
dan friesen
But then, again, we have like Pete Hegseth is a notorious drunk.
So maybe he's too far.
Maybe he's too somewhere between Trump and Hegseth is the right level of drunk.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
We need to figure this shit out.
People need to do drugs, but the right amount.
dan friesen
There's a math here.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there is.
dan friesen
So the problem with Alex's idea here is that it's transparent bullshit.
This is an explanation that's meant to justify his change in behavior, not an actual shift in American politics.
He didn't give up on the idea that the left-right paradigm was a fraud.
He just fixed the problem.
So it makes sense that he's a political hack, not a partisan dork.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
It's fucking nonsense.
jordan holmes
Everything made sense until I changed, and then it made sense again, but in a different way.
dan friesen
What about Reagan?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, I was reflecting on how trapped Alex feels in the present day and how the show just feels like a guy spinning his wheels and trying to rationalize becoming the thing he's supposed to hate.
And I think I came up with as good a theory as I can with the information that's available.
I think that Alex is trapped simply because his debts aren't dischargeable through bankruptcy.
Infowars and free speech systems can go out of business, but he'll have that debt hanging over him no matter what.
So no business he tries to run in the future is going to be free from that.
He's gotten around this by setting up the Alex Jones store with Bigley and putting Chase Geyser's name on the filing for the Alex Jones Network.
So in effect, he's owned.
If Bigley says you have to support Trump no matter what, what else can Alex do?
He's unemployable at any legitimate business in the media.
He can't start his own thing without it being subject to his debts.
So there's nowhere he can go.
As much as Bigley stuff has been the escape parachute that'll allow him to be rich for the rest of his life, it's also a cage.
And in Alex's field, these kinds of optics are a really big problem, whether they reflect reality or not.
It could very well be the case that Bigley doesn't give a shit what he says on air, but the fact that he's their employee affects how an audience sees what he does.
It starts to give them more reasons to question the sincerity of the positions he puts out because quite literally, he's no longer independent.
I think that Alex is inspiring a lot of these kinds of questions in his listener's head, which is he's seeing it expressed directly back at him on social media.
They're seeing his behavior as being exactly what he would have called being a sellout earlier in his career.
So Alex knows that he has to explain why what he's doing now is totally cool.
Electoral politics used to be bullshit and all the politicians are actors, but Alex fixed that all.
So it's important that you vote straight ticket for Republicans in the midterm or else the devil might get you.
It just feels very defensive of the, like, I don't know if his bosses now are telling him, our brand is Big Lee.
That's a Trump reference.
jordan holmes
That is a Trump reference.
dan friesen
We are a Trump business.
You cannot be on the Alex Jones store and break with Trump.
jordan holmes
Our hats say Trump is super great.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I don't know if that's the case, but the fact that Alex is behaving in exactly the way you would if your bosses told you you have to continue this, I think it's causing concern in the audience's minds.
And he's now in a position where nothing can be felt as truly free.
Nothing can be truly sincere.
And the downside of this, I think, is obviously there's one explanation that is Roger knows some shit that Alex doesn't want out.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
There's one explanation of this that is Bigley's marketing and their whole business is based on Trump.
So our big guy.
That's one explanation.
But I think the explanation that is way more attractive for the conspiracy audience is to create another conspiracy on top of it.
And that is that he now works for Israel.
And I think that that's the danger and a lot of the negative stuff he is responding back to.
And that ping-pong, that back and forth between him and the audience, I think it only gets more toxic as it goes along.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, it really is an example of that.
Like, you know, nobody gives a shit what you say until you do something.
You know, and it is like back in the day, sure, he took ads.
Sure, Marty Schachter is allowed to do fucking limericks and shit like that.
But he was doing the stuff that you would do if you don't have a boss.
He was doing the stuff you would do if you're independent.
He was doing the stuff you could do if nobody could really give you consequences.
This is not that.
This is not the behavior.
And that we can see other people engaging in the behavior you would do if you didn't have consequences is so stark.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That even if he's not being owned, even if he's not being run by anybody, he's acting like he is.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And, you know, there's the other explanation that that leads to, which is just the he is such a guy.
He's blinded by the closeness that he feels to the president and the, you know, the structure of power that he can't even see how contradictory he is.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, he just wrapped up too much of his own ego in it, and now he's trapped.
dan friesen
And that's a completely possible explanation for everything.
Sure.
The fact that the behavior is so like, ugh, it leads you to look for other explanations.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And I think that the ones that are conspiracy ones are escapist.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And the ones that are kind of like business-y related are more plausible.
Sure.
That's kind of where.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Either way, you're on the wrong fucking side.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex has a guest on to talk about his Loomer shit and the coup on Pete Eggseth.
unidentified
All right.
alex jones
All right, let's go to Ivan Rakeland.
Green Beret, Defense Intelligence Agency, lawyer.
Does great work with General Flynn.
I appreciate him joining us from the road.
I wanted to get his take on Laura Loomer, whose intel I've matched with mine, on a Secretary of Army deep state coup, trying to drive Hegseth out, and that will implicate Trump claiming it's a war crime, blowing up these boats.
dan friesen
I like to imagine that there were some people sitting at home listening to Alex and Loomer talk, and they were on the fence on the credibility of what they were saying.
But then Ivan Rakeland's going to come push them over the hump.
jordan holmes
There you go.
dan friesen
Having him on is pretty funny, particularly about there being a deep state coup against the Secretary of War, because Ivan was supposed to be the Secretary of Retribution when Trump got back in office.
He made a big deal out of offering globalists amnesty if they confessed by a certain date.
And now a year into Trump's second term, he's doing a call-in from his car on Alex's show to talk about dumb shit Laura Loomer tweeted.
Reminding people that Ivan Rakeland exists is embarrassing.
It seems like a net negative for Alex.
I would just cut him loose.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, you can't do deep state anymore.
That's not doable.
You can't do deep state.
You can still do globalists because at least they're maybe not in the government.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
But you can't do deep.
Everybody is deep state.
They all work for the same guy.
It's crazy.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I think that when you have all branches of government and you can create something like a doge and you can get away with these things, there's no excuse for a deep state existing because you can just stop them.
jordan holmes
You can literally kill them.
If you know them, you can go kill them.
And people will have to eat it.
You know, like they won't even be, they'll be like, shit.
dan friesen
It's silly now to talk about this kind of shit.
Ooh, this guy was jogging with a guy.
jordan holmes
Oh, so then we shot him because that's what we can do now.
dan friesen
Right.
Right?
It's a little much.
It's crazy.
So Alex asks Ivan about this, the takeover here that's going on at the Coup, and what have you and uh, I I think Ivan's petty they can get control of the Pentagon.
alex jones
Then they're green lit for their main move against Trump, which will signal for the left to do their national uprisings.
Then, when Trump tries to call the military, the leadership will say no, and then we're set up right.
ivan raiklin
Not only are they stopping at not trying to block accountability for all the transgressions of the Austin years, like you're saying uh, they're going above and beyond and at the end of the day, I mean what stops them from doing it?
So far, the first Trump administration, there was no accountability.
So far, almost a year into it, there's been no accountability.
So at this point in time, if I was talking to president Trump, he's got to look himself you know himself In the mirror and decide for himself, is he going to be a wartime, a domestically wartime president?
Because we are at the, I'd say, the apex of the 1770s meets 1860s, meets 1960s, and they're trying to escalate that on steroids.
The fastest and quickest way to do that is you have to bring in people that have already proven up and rejected the tyranny of the last four years, bring them into senior-level positions so that they are ready, willing, and able to destroy this communist takeover.
dan friesen
See, at the end of the day, it's Trump's fault for not making me Secretary of Retribution.
alex jones
Okay.
jordan holmes
Here's what I'm thinking.
All right.
We, everybody who's into it right now, we dig a really big hole and we stay down there for a couple of years.
And then when we get up, I imagine this place will be empty.
dan friesen
Yeah, you know, I do think I don't like bunker thoughts.
jordan holmes
I'm having bunker thoughts, man.
It feels like these guys just need to be left alone, and then there'll be a problem that solves itself.
dan friesen
They will destroy each other and themselves.
But we all will be heard in the process.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
We got to find a space base or something.
Like, we can wait this out.
dan friesen
I don't think that.
Talk to Elon.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think space base is going to be rough for the roughly five and a half billion people who hate these guys.
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think, you know, like, obviously, yeah, let's dig a hole.
Sure.
But we just got to mitigate whatever damage they can do.
You know?
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I guess.
dan friesen
I think it's really, really funny that his take on it is basically like, if he would have put me in, I would have stopped this.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
These people need accountability and retribution.
jordan holmes
Hey, you know what I'm good at.
I like saying accountability from him.
That's a fun word to say from the Secretary of Retribution.
dan friesen
It's Trump's own fault.
He should have looked in the mirror and made me part of the cabinet, and then we'd be cool.
Instead, I'm calling into Alex's show, apparently from an airport.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Good times.
jordan holmes
It's like he wants to be a superhero, like the retributor, you know, like the Punisher version two.
dan friesen
Yeah, he wants to be something.
So here's something stupid, they say.
ivan raiklin
Right, and he needs to be flanked by those members of the administration that are not playing ball if he's going to keep them in place.
I mean, I know one thing he's like, oh, Kash Patel's doing great.
Pam Bondi's doing great over on Fox News.
Well, if you're going to keep them, Mr. President, why don't you have them flank you and address exactly what their responsibilities and roles are to the American people in order to support the mandate that we're doing?
alex jones
That's right.
We need to see public loyalty pledges because this is all about not being loyal to the president and who the voters voted for.
unidentified
Exactly.
ivan raiklin
Absolutely.
Because that way he can directly speak to the people.
He can't do this by himself.
dan friesen
They want Trump to make appointees and cabinet members have public loyalty pledges.
jordan holmes
That's a great idea.
dan friesen
What the fuck are they talking about?
jordan holmes
Well, okay.
So when, let's say you're in 1350.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
So you're in 1350 and you've got a Duke or an Earl who kind of you thought about seeing what's going on.
Absolutely.
Duke, Duke, Duke.
And then you see him marry somebody and you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
That person is connected to these people.
You got to come to the court.
You got to publicly pledge your loyalty to meet Neil, and then I'm going to chop your wife's head off.
dan friesen
Right.
I mean, like, honestly, it does feel like Alex is like, okay, Kash Patel can stay as head of the FBI if he takes the knee.
Yep.
If he will renounce being king in the North.
unidentified
He's got to take the black and he's got to go to the wall.
dan friesen
It's fucking insane.
Like, what?
What world are we living in?
jordan holmes
I don't know.
These people are literally children.
It's so hard to imagine.
dan friesen
They probably rightly complain about dictators making people do loyalty.
Public humiliation rituals meant to create a dominance.
jordan holmes
So here's what we need to do: we need to get everybody in the country to get in a room, and then Trump's going to bring a goat in there and say it's a deer.
And whoever doesn't say it's a deer gets shot in the fucking head, and then we move on with our lives.
dan friesen
It's the only way to make sure that the public is loyal to the person that the public voted for.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
Remove the concept of reality and just lick his boots.
dan friesen
So I had some other clips.
They're mostly dumb, and I don't care.
One of them is Alex lying about being shaken down by Canadian cops.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
The most shakedowniest of cops.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But it doesn't really matter.
Nothing really matters that much after you hear this next clip, which is just like, go retire.
alex jones
You're in an airport.
We want to come back in two minutes.
Yeah.
I mean, they brought us here.
They're doing it.
They're the ones that want martial law, not us.
But in response to them, we have martial law.
dan friesen
I mean, who cares, man?
Give up.
jordan holmes
They want martial law, not us.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So we're doing it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
To stop them.
We must do martial law in order to stop martial law.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Great, man.
jordan holmes
Once you've reached that circular logic, it's over.
dan friesen
He's made documentaries about how the globalists will argue that they need to do martial law to stop martial law.
Yep.
Fucking idiot.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
What the fuck is wrong with you?
jordan holmes
I don't know what else there is to say.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Right?
That's nuts.
unidentified
That's what villains say.
Yep.
jordan holmes
To protect you from yourself, I have to kill you.
There's only one way to keep you safe, and that's to bury you in the ground.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yep.
I think that it's quite clear that whatever is Alex's current operation and his system, it is not the same thing that it was.
No.
And I think that we have to get to a point where we let go of the past and stop holding him in the present responsible for things in the past.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Not like to say he's off the hook for everything, but like pretending that there is a consistency that is demanded.
I think at a certain point, we're pointing the finger mostly at myself here.
I have to realize that that's just meaningless anymore.
Be like, oh my God, you want martial law?
You're saying the same thing that you say the globalists would say.
Oh, look at you, you fucking hypocrite.
You're in favor of sinking these boats.
It doesn't really matter.
What he is now is a new thing.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And we may just have to accept that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, I would say it is a new thing that is the result of the totality.
You know, in the same way that you can't be, whenever Mitch McConnell was pulling his shit, you know, you can't be like, oh, you're a hypocrite.
No, I was, will, and will always say anything I need to say to get what I want.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
The fact that what I want is maybe different than what it used to be has no effect on what it is I'm going to do to get it.
dan friesen
Or I was obscuring what I wanted behind the facade of another goal prior.
Yep.
And now that is no longer necessary.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
I was always seeking to create a white nationalist imperialist state under a racist dictator.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
I always wanted that.
But that wasn't acceptable for me to advocate for in the past.
So, I pretended I love the Constitution.
jordan holmes
And you better believe that if it becomes unacceptable for me to do so in the future, I will tell you I never did.
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And I think that that is a framework that we can look at him through.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But I do just think that there comes a time when the trappings of his pretend character in the past have to just be dropped.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I'm getting closer and closer to that.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like this image of Alex as being the same person to gone.
unidentified
Nope.
jordan holmes
Nope.
Can't be.
dan friesen
And I think that we're embarking on a little bit of a path with Alex that is going to culminate in, I don't know.
It's still playing out even right now at the end of December.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like how this episode is going to unfold.
But we're dipping our toes into some bad water right now.
jordan holmes
I definitely feel very uncharted.
I feel like this is a whole new thing.
Not because it's so unexpected or the events themselves are unusual for humans.
Like this is the same stuff.
It's just all the toys are so different.
You know, all the stuff they can do.
It feels like one of the big things that kept us from all the horrifying stuff in the past was just possibility.
If it takes two weeks to get a message somewhere, you can't be as dictator-ish as if you can be in everybody's home at the same time.
You know?
dan friesen
And I think that certainly we've not experienced someone who's so willing to just be like, oh, yeah, the court said that.
Fuck that.
Yep.
Because I think a lot of people thought, hey, you're going to get taken out.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
You'll be removed from office somehow.
But apparently not.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
It is Uncharted.
And I really wish that I remember the protagonist of that game's name, but I don't.
jordan holmes
Uncharted.
Nathan Phillian.
No.
unidentified
No, that's not.
jordan holmes
Nathan.
Lane.
dan friesen
Drake.
jordan holmes
Nathan Drake.
Or just Drake.
dan friesen
Oh, Drake feels right.
I played that game a long time ago and forgot about it.
Okay.
Anyway, Uncharted.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It was also a movie.
Maybe starring Nathan Phillian.
jordan holmes
No, it was starring Spider-Man.
dan friesen
Which one?
jordan holmes
The Kid Spider-Man.
dan friesen
Garfield.
unidentified
No, no, no, no.
jordan holmes
That was tall Spider-Man.
unidentified
Oh.
jordan holmes
What's his name?
The Current Spider-Man.
dan friesen
McGuire.
jordan holmes
No, that was old Spider-Man.
That was a personal favorite Spider-Man.
unidentified
Holland.
jordan holmes
Yes.
Current Spider-Man.
dan friesen
We found it.
jordan holmes
Not animated Spider-Man.
dan friesen
Anyway, we'll be back with another Spider-Man breakdown.
But until then, we have a website.
unidentified
Indeed, we do.
jordan holmes
It's KnowledgeFight.com.
unidentified
Yep.
We'll be back.
dan friesen
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I am the mysterious professor.
unidentified
Woo, yeah, woo, yeah, woo.
dan friesen
And now here comes the sex robots.
unidentified
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
alex jones
Thanks for holding.
andy in kansas
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first Tim Color.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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