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#1098: November 16, 2025

In this installment, Dan and Jordan tune in to hear Alex describe Trump as a grumpy old man, explain how the world is like Dune and expound on how the United States is the new Rome.

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alex jones
18:27
d
dan friesen
32:14
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jordan holmes
16:28
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
I have great respect for the knowledge fight.
Knowledge fight.
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys.
Shang, we are the bad guys.
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
I need, I need money.
Andy and Pansy.
unidentified
Andy and Pandy.
alex jones
Stop it.
Andy and Kansas.
Andy and Kansas.
unidentified
Andy.
alex jones
It's time to pray.
Andy and Kansas.
You're on the airplane for holding us.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a fish pin color.
Like you're just saying, I love your room.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
Knowledgefight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
alex jones
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Celine, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are.
Dan.
dan friesen
Ah, Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
I have a quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today, buddy?
dan friesen
Why don't you go first?
jordan holmes
My bright spot today, and let's just get this out of the way.
This is about my wife, but this is not about any sort of marriage-related related or love-based or even partnership-based thing.
dan friesen
Everybody out there, if you want to send in a wife guy thing.
jordan holmes
No, here's what's great.
Here's what's great, right?
I never have to shovel snow.
In Chicago, it just poured inches upon inches of snow.
dan friesen
It did.
It was.
They said it was going to be about 10.
I'm not sure if it got there, but it was a lot.
jordan holmes
It was a lot.
And my wife always shovels the snow.
And it's not in like a, she likes to shovel snow, but we could, because we're partners, we could like, you know, I could give her a thing.
She fucking loves shoveling snow.
It is a zone shit.
Like, it is Michael Jordan's flu game.
Every time she goes out and shovels snow, she's gone.
She's just in the zone.
Then the snow's gone.
It's incredible.
dan friesen
I can relate to that.
I think certain chores, you know, people just gravitate towards that.
Like, I remember I loved mowing the lawn.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It just, I would, my parents did pay me to do it.
Sure.
But I also, like, I would have done it for free.
Yeah.
There's something fun about it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
No.
dan friesen
I wish I had a lawn to mow.
jordan holmes
It is totally that.
It is.
If I tried to go shovel snow, she would physically attack me, take the shovel away from me.
She said, she said about this.
She was like, I was really in my shovel.
That's when you're in it, man.
Whenever you're not even using words, you're removing words to just be in the thing.
dan friesen
She was in the shovel zone.
jordan holmes
She was in the shovel, and it's like, man, you do it.
So it's amazing.
It's amazing for me.
dan friesen
That's great.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'm happy for you.
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot?
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today we're recording this still in November.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
But this episode's coming out on December 1st.
jordan holmes
It is the beginning.
dan friesen
And that means one thing and one thing only.
alex jones
Everything dairy.
Cheese, milk, cream, yogurt, butter.
What do you think that does to Wisconsin?
dan friesen
It's time for the cheese advent calendar to begin.
Thank you.
That was a drop that came from the cheese board soundboard, which was sent to us by Alma.
Thank you so much.
I believe there's a nickname here, the garlic honey and yammy mug cozy and crocheted mini Tyranny Crusher Wonk.
Sent over an interactive soundboard.
So that's a great place to start.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
We've got a lot of cheese-based theme songs.
jordan holmes
There will be some songs.
There will be some songs.
Believe me, there were some songs and there will be some songs.
dan friesen
So it is time to engage in Advent calendaring.
jordan holmes
Excellent.
dan friesen
So we got day number one here.
This is the Aldi.
Oh, wait, I'm not supposed to shout them out.
jordan holmes
This is the unnamed grocery store that is helpful in a lot of different ways.
Let's take a look at this.
We've got little squares.
He is opening the cheese.
What kind of cheese does it smell like?
dan friesen
I will tell you this.
It smells like cheese.
jordan holmes
It smells like cheese.
dan friesen
I actually saw what it is, so this isn't going to be a huge surprise, but let's take it in.
jordan holmes
Yeah?
Is it a Gruyere?
Sorry.
I was just feeling the intense fucking anticipation.
It's unbelievable.
I lost it.
I swear to you.
I was just staring at you.
Take bites of that cheese and it roll around in your mouth.
And I was absorbed in the most fucking unbelievable.
It was crazy.
dan friesen
You're a performer.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
You're used to filling chocolate.
jordan holmes
I am a man who watches cheese spin around in a mouth today.
That's what happened.
dan friesen
You have hosted uncountable comedy shows that, like, you know how to keep momentum going.
jordan holmes
Hey, no.
dan friesen
Here you are with a mic in front of you.
You saw me take a bite of cheese and you were just like, oh.
jordan holmes
You know what it is?
You know what it is?
I can't eat cheese, right?
I never eat cheese.
I just hate it.
I'm just watching you in amazement as you took a bite.
You just took a bite.
unidentified
Love it.
jordan holmes
And it spun around in your mouth.
What kind of cheese was it?
dan friesen
Isn't my mouth as like a dryer?
jordan holmes
I believe it's more like a cement mixer.
As you're moving, it just spins around.
dan friesen
That was a truffle cheddar.
All right.
I don't.
It was fine.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
It tastes like a cheddar.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, you know.
It's not like the best Advent calendar.
unidentified
It's not.
dan friesen
It didn't blow my mind like a truffle is supposed to, right?
It's supposed to be like this really refined, high-class thing.
jordan holmes
What is truffle.
Boy.
Truffle is more than one thing, right?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
There are truffles.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But then there's truffle.
And truffle is not necessarily truffles.
dan friesen
Wow.
jordan holmes
Truffle's a mushroom.
Yeah.
But truffles can be a chocolate.
dan friesen
Right.
It's a type of chocolate.
Like, it's a form of chocolate.
jordan holmes
It's a mushroom chocolate?
dan friesen
No.
unidentified
Oh.
dan friesen
There's a harder outside shell and a softer inside interior.
That's a truffle for chocolate.
jordan holmes
Is that like a mushroom?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
If you cook the outside, then the inside's probably softer.
A mushroom.
I don't know.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
But yes, and like truffle oil and all that stuff is made from the mushrooms.
Okay, I got you.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
On that shit.
And they're hard to find, and you need pigs to sniff them out or something.
Okay.
But yeah, I don't think it's that confusing that there's a chocolate truffle and a both go with cheese, apparently.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
You can have chocolate and cheese and you can have cheese and mushrooms.
dan friesen
Yeah, they recommend you pair this with a chocolate advent calendar, which I will not do.
jordan holmes
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
They're selling you another advent calendar with an advent calendar?
dan friesen
They have a curated wine and chocolate advent calendar.
And there was actually a second cheese advent calendar that was there, but it only had 12 cheeses instead of 24.
So I was like, nah, nothing.
jordan holmes
I bet the profit margin on advent calendars is crazy.
dan friesen
It's got to be.
Yeah.
But it's fun.
jordan holmes
It is fun.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, what a start.
What a start to the truffle cheddar?
One day down.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
One cheese stronger.
jordan holmes
We'll remember to speak during your eating next episode.
dan friesen
Can't believe it.
jordan holmes
It's just, I don't know.
dan friesen
What a pro.
unidentified
It was amazing.
jordan holmes
It was amazing.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
We're going to be talking about the 16th, November 16th, 2025.
But this sucks.
This really sucks.
Honestly, and it led down a dumb path for me to go down.
But, hey, what's new?
jordan holmes
What's new?
dan friesen
So we're going to talk about that here in a moment.
First, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So, first, Alex eats fruity and cocoa pebbles combined and likes it.
Thank you so much, Uranio Pozziwonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you very much.
Next, I'm a demon possessing a human body, and I got to tell you, this is pretty terrific.
Thank you so much, Jeron Howe Polyziwonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And you can't leave me.
It ain't that easy.
R.I.P. D'Angelo.
Thank you so much, Jeron Possewonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
Thank you.
dan friesen
And we had a technocrat in the mix, Jordan.
So thank you so much to Andy in Ohio.
You're on the air.
I love you.
Can you believe we got married?
Love Stinky Wife.
Thank you so much, Jer and Iowa Technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars.
alex jones
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
Someone, sodomite, sent me a bucket of poop.
Daddy Sharp.
Bomb, Jarjar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
He's a loser, little, little kitty baby.
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Thank you.
jordan holmes
Yes.
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
So this is a Sunday episode, and Alex, you know, I think there's a lot of times where Sundays live a little bit outside of the continuity of his weekday show.
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
This is one of those examples.
Like, I think that this is him trying some things on.
jordan holmes
Soft launch.
dan friesen
Yep.
But, I mean, he is still the same person.
alex jones
You notice in my many years on air, I'm out of worn camouflage four times.
This is the fourth time.
And like I said on air yesterday in that special Saturday broadcast, let's get everybody's attention that the war has reached its peak.
Cultural, spiritual, informational, military.
It's hit the peak in history, and it's about to get even more insane.
So that's just a symbol to everybody about how hardcore the situation is, okay?
Now, if I wanted ratings, and I've been number one talk show host, podcaster, English-speaking person in the world for at least two years at one point, I'm always in the top five.
If I wanted to be absolutely number one all the time, I know what people want, I know what populists want, the majority of you, even though you're somewhat awake, not fully in my view.
But I refuse to give it to you.
The edge-lording.
They're doing nothing but bitching.
They're nothing but tearing Trump down.
dan friesen
Alex is just refusing to accept what's happening in the media space that's surrounding him.
And it's leading to a rise in the edge-lording avant-garde Nazis that he hangs out with, gaining a much bigger piece of the pie than they should have.
In Alex's mind, he always has to be right, but he's wrong a lot of the time.
The best way to pretend that you're right about something when you're very clearly wrong is to pretend that everyone who thinks you're wrong completely misunderstands the point.
And if they weren't so dumb, they would see that you're right.
The issue right now that everyone is struggling with is that Trump sucks.
According to Alex's own standards, he's an enemy of free speech.
He's engaged in gun grabbing.
He's abusing his power to use executive orders.
He's violated posse comitatus, and he's actively involved in covering up a child sex trafficking and blackmail ring because the globalists asked him to look the other way.
At the point when this episode is being aired, Trump has called Marjorie Taylor Green a traitor and threatened to help primary her and other Republicans who have helped pass the Epstein Accountability Act, which is insane behavior.
On top of that, Trump is clearly not ending the long-standing wars around the world that Alex is supposed to care a lot about and is committing war crimes by blowing up boats that are alleged to be narcotics trafficking boats in a clear attempt to trigger a war with Venezuela.
Trump sucks, and a lot of Alex's audience and Trump's base are starting to understand that.
Trump's numbers are dropping, and Alex hears a lot of people saying, You gotta move on from this guy.
At this point, Alex's mind is already made up.
For whatever reason, he's not going to be against Trump.
So, his move is to find a paradigm where that is the right thing to do.
Continuing to be a Trump media surrogate is the right thing to do if all the people who are criticizing Trump are just doing it to chase ratings.
If being an edgelord and being negative about Trump is just the hot new thing in the dipshit media, then Alex maintaining his position of supporting Trump is actually a sign of him having integrity.
That's why he has to present the situation like this, where the people who can accurately assess that Trump sucks, they're all sellouts who are chasing an audience.
One of the interesting dynamics here is how this attitude is useful in the moment and helps Alex feel better, but it is a big net negative.
The longer he keeps up this delusional Trump is totally cool game as Trump continues to do indefensible shit, the more his audience is going to get confused about how this picture doesn't match up.
Alex's take on this stuff, it just seems very biased.
And even if you're dumb, you're going to see that.
That's fine when Alex is the only game in town, but now that dipshit media that he's in, it's so full of different voices, and there are plenty of other options for an audience that wants to see an impassioned crypto racist pretending to analyze tweets.
In the past, people might have had to just suck it up and accept Alex's weird soft spot for Trump, but now he has competition in a meaningful sense, and his refusal to get real about Trump is doing those people a huge favor.
And he's complaining about them at the same time, all of his actions are only giving them more access to an audience, more money, more influence.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, I mean, the only way that it makes sense is if three years from now, all of those people are like, ah, we're going to vote a new president in office.
And Trump is like, no, you're not.
Then Alex is prime spot.
That's where you want to be the moment the no, you're not happens.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Otherwise, he's fucked.
dan friesen
No, I agree.
I agree.
But I also think that even if that is how things go, Alex is fucked.
Because probably.
Like, I think you kill Alex.
I don't think.
I don't think you bring him in as your head of propaganda or something.
He is a wily loose cannon who reveals his sources on the air while saying, I don't reveal sources.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Like, he, no, he, he's, he's a cab.
jordan holmes
But loyalty is far more important.
dan friesen
But I think that he can't be loyal because of tendencies that he has.
jordan holmes
Yeah, loyalty really is impossible for him.
dan friesen
He can be loyal in terms of like, I'm not going to flip on this guy.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
But I will betray you by virtue of me existing as myself.
dan friesen
I have to gossip.
I can't keep secrets.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'll betray you in some way that I don't mean to.
jordan holmes
You're my source for things that you're off the record on.
Of course.
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's a liability.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, really, you just clean house.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
You're right.
So Trump is trying to clean house with people who care about Epstein.
And he's attacking Marjorie Taylor Green.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And Alex isn't cool with this, but he's also like, come on, it's drama.
jordan holmes
It's going to do.
alex jones
And I know it's a fun drama to have him calling MTG a traitor and her shooting back the targets on her back.
I talked to her today.
Just like, oh, it was fun when Elon got kicked out and ha, Trump's the king.
And I said, not good.
And Trump lost six, seven, eight points in King Constituency from that and did never really get it back.
He had his hospital rating ever then.
And Doge was just wrecking the establishment.
jordan holmes
It sure kind of was.
alex jones
And then you had Trump, worst misstep ever, telling his constituents, if you care about Epstein files, you're not MAGA.
I mean, if I was trying to come up with a plan for Trump to destroy himself, that would be it.
So this is bad, folks.
And I want to also explain what happens if we let the Democrats back in.
Because all you having fun attacking Trump right now, which I'm saying I understand why you do, just still realize.
jordan holmes
At the end of the day, you got to fall in line.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Trump fighting with MTG and Elon are not fun dramas.
They're concrete examples of how he's too immature to lead and incapable of dealing with a government organization where other people are allowed input.
His comments about the Epstein files weren't a huge misstep.
They were his natural and understandable response and an indication of how corrupt a guy he really is.
This isn't fun drama.
It's embarrassing.
And at the end there, you get the bottom line for Alex.
The enemy is always worse.
So criticizing Trump in any way that threatens his hold on power really just makes it more likely that the enemy will take power.
So there's nothing Trump could ever do to deserve real consequences.
In effect, Alex is saying the exact same thing that Trump did when he said that people who care about Epstein aren't real MAGA.
You are not real MAGA if you want to make a big deal out of something that could lead to the Democrats or the left gaining power.
So any meaningful dissent means you're off the team.
You're supposed to give shallow performative critiques to some of the stuff Trump does, but then make it someone else's fault and fall in line.
That's what Alex considers holding Trump's feet to the fire.
And anyone who's doing more than that is helping the Dems.
And they're not part of this.
jordan holmes
Man, the power of you're helping the Dems.
What a wildly powerful thing for these people.
You don't even want to know what happens when the Dems get back into power.
What's happening now?
Fuck, you don't want to know that either.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's something that I think holds a lot of us captive to not being able to recognize a better way, a better future that's possible.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you're right.
dan friesen
And Alex sucks.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's definitely true.
dan friesen
So Alex is committed to the fight.
Sure.
Against the globalists, the devil, all that stuff.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
To the point where he doesn't watch movies anymore.
alex jones
At all?
dan friesen
Well, maybe once a month.
alex jones
Okay, well.
dan friesen
But he's doing it for work.
jordan holmes
Okay, good.
alex jones
I'm here to get you to look at the pieces of this and ask yourself, what do we need to do?
And I know what we need to do.
This is all I do.
I don't watch movies anymore unless I'm analyzing one, maybe once a month.
I don't do anything except spend a few hours on my shoulder today and work.
And all I do is dream about this at night.
This is what I do.
And I know what I'm talking about.
I know most of you understand that, but I just want to warn everyone to think second, third, fourth order here.
I have reached out to Trump and I've publicly done it as well.
And I've reached out to the people in the White House today.
And I've reached out to MTG and her boyfriend, her fiancé, who I love that runs right side.
I've reached out to a bunch of other people behind the scenes and I've given the same speech you're about to get right now.
Stop it.
dan friesen
Good speech.
It's a good speech.
jordan holmes
That is a good speech.
dan friesen
Stop it.
jordan holmes
What do you think the last movie he analyzed was?
dan friesen
I know what the next one he's going to is.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
You're going to love it.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
But the last movie he analyzed, I mean, he did bring up one battle after another.
jordan holmes
I was going to say, I wonder what his analysis of one battle after the other is.
dan friesen
We've heard a little bit of it, but I think he just saw the trailer or something.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It was about how bombing things is sexy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he hasn't talked about the Santa Claus Warriors or whatever it is.
dan friesen
Yeah, he doesn't have much exploration of text.
Yeah, that's fair.
I also don't think he's watching one movie a month.
But also, it's great that, you know, it's just totally fine that Marjorie Taylor Greene was dating the head of right side broadcasting.
jordan holmes
What are we doing?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
What are we going to do?
Are we going to be surprised at anything anymore?
Right?
I don't know.
RFK was the fucking attorney general.
unidentified
Shit gets weird at the American government, right?
dan friesen
RFK Jr.
jordan holmes
Yep.
RFK Jr. Jr.
He's going to be cool.
It skips a generation.
RFK wound up being cool.
RFK Jr., very not cool.
RFK Jr. Jr., gonna crush it.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
Because you have the melding of Cheryl Hines' ancestral DNA coming into the mix.
jordan holmes
How can you not become a super person between those two?
dan friesen
So Alex is really struggling a bit with the fact that Trump is really on the warpath against Marjorie Taylor Green.
He is going after her pretty hard.
Yeah.
And Alex has to he has to rationalize this.
And it is a lot of the lesser of two evils stuff.
Like Harris would be worse.
alex jones
So I'm sitting there watching him like an emergency surgeon.
We're all shot up fixing everything.
And then we're sitting there watching him and we say, hey, sir, what about this?
And he goes, shut up and backhands us.
And I understand his frustration because he believes he's on a mission and he's ultra confident now.
I mean, he used to be really confident.
Now he's like, does not give an F.
But he will listen to me and others.
Still.
If it comes from a position, and if you can get the message or talk to him, but he just hears MTG is attacking you.
And it's all cherry-picked out of a 20-minute interview where she says, 90% nice about him and says, I'm really concerned about this and that, trying to get him to do what she thinks is right.
Instead, he throws a fit on her and other people.
And then they all get their feathers in a fluff.
And then it's just like watching Banny Roosters fight.
Man, I'm going to ask everybody one more time.
Let's say that, okay, Trump's bad.
You're the America first.
He's a traitor.
He works for Benetton Yango, which he doesn't.
All of that.
So you want to go back in time, put Kamala Harris in?
dan friesen
He's just yelling at the idea of Nick.
alex jones
Yep.
dan friesen
Like he's just saying, like, America, oh, you're also America first.
You think he works for Netanyahu?
You've had him on the show.
You've had these arguments with him.
You've lost.
jordan holmes
Yep.
I hate him.
I want to be him.
I hate him.
But because I want to be him, I hate him.
I wish I was him.
dan friesen
I think that if you were somebody who was just a crass media figure who did not give a fuck about anything and just wanted to profit, it'd be very difficult to not choose Nick's position than Alex's at this point.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
Even Alex was pissed off about Bill Cooper and Bill Cooper was a fraud.
dan friesen
And old.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
And clearly self-destructive.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
You don't have to worry about him for too long.
This shit's not going away.
dan friesen
Nick presumably doesn't drink.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
He doesn't play with guns.
jordan holmes
He straight edges his way to living too long for the rest of us.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Maybe someone else will end up killing him at some point, but like he doesn't have the liabilities that Cooper did.
alex jones
Nope.
dan friesen
So Alex, you heard there, like, he thinks that Trump will still listen to him and some other people.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
But you got to approach it right.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You got to kiss his ass a little bit and shit.
Like, you can't be negative.
He doesn't like that.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He's a grumpy old man.
alex jones
So I'll ask people, what is your plan to withdraw support from Trump?
Do you think we put a bunch of pressure on Trump from a hateful perspective and that makes him come over to our side?
He'll dig his heels in.
He is more stubborn than the biggest jackass donkey you ever seen.
He has the stubbornness of a thousand mules and another 10,000 donkeys.
And you come out of that perspective.
No, you got to explain to him how he's being set up and how he's wrong.
And Roger went there, whatever it was, six months ago and was there at the White House eight days.
And Trump came out and gave press cover and said, no, it's not a hoax.
He's horrible.
And the Clintons and J.P. Morgan, the head of Arbor, and Larry Summers, all them, and great investigate.
And his approval rating went back up.
And he's asking press conferences later because, you know, Trump's 79.
He's got a lot going on.
And he goes right back to it's a Democrat hoax.
Meaning the attack, all of it.
And we've got the new emails out.
It is all recycled crap with him lying about it.
You actually read it.
It's all true what he's saying.
That's what's so frustrating is that we project on him that he is like Superman Clark Kent.
Mega mind.
And really, he's a 79-year-old man that works 20 hours a day.
And he's sick of it.
So he just goes, ah, screw you if you don't like me.
I'm trying to save the country.
And then, oh, sir, MTG's attacking you all over the place.
Well, screw her, the damn traitor.
He's a grumpy old man.
jordan holmes
Then fire him.
alex jones
But he's our old man.
dan friesen
See, that's unacceptable.
jordan holmes
Unacceptable.
dan friesen
He's our grumpy old man.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
I feel like this sounds like someone rationalizing someone who's keeping them hostage.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
This does not seem affirmatively good in any way.
It's just, yeah, he sucks, but I mean, the other side sucks more.
jordan holmes
We're trapped, but at least we're not being stabbed in the butt all the time.
That's not bad.
Well, I don't know if we would be if we weren't trapped anymore.
Let's just stay in the trap.
dan friesen
And I believe a lot of politics does end up coming down to making compromises that oftentimes do come off like this.
Like, this guy sucks, but the alternative is worse.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
I think in the real world, there is a lot of that.
Sure.
But Alex doesn't live in the real world.
Right.
And the thing that he's saying is better than the alternative is so bad.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, he's calling his biggest supporter a traitor because she won't give up the investigation into a sex trafficking network.
Like, it's so bad.
jordan holmes
No, I mean, you know, as you were saying, you know, there's a lot of compromises and stuff like that.
But eventually and ultimately, there are things that you cannot compromise on.
And I don't know.
That could be whatever it is for each individual.
But you know what?
You got to pick something.
dan friesen
And Alex, in the course of his career, has picked a bunch of things.
jordan holmes
You got it.
dan friesen
And Trump is violating a lot of them.
jordan holmes
Right.
And once that thing has been broken, that's it.
You can't otherwise don't pick anything.
Otherwise, don't believe anything.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, you just have to have at least one thing where it's like, nope, I've chosen this.
Fuck off.
I'm out.
dan friesen
Yep.
That's part of principle, which is a costume Alex has failed in wearing recently.
jordan holmes
Shit all over.
dan friesen
So Alex saw a video online.
jordan holmes
That's not good.
dan friesen
And this becomes most of the rest of the show.
Sure.
He saw a video where a guy is explaining that America is the new Rome.
Okay.
Israel was sacked by Rome.
And so Israel hates America because they're the new Rome.
And Netanyahu has said so.
jordan holmes
Go on.
dan friesen
Yes, I feel like you have a question.
jordan holmes
So you're saying that Israel can't tell the difference in time or in space or in, I guess, realities.
dan friesen
No, I guess they're correct.
We're Rome.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Okay.
I hate them.
dan friesen
They're West.
unidentified
You know?
dan friesen
It's the lineage of Rome and Greece.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
The Jews hates the whites.
Yes.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
There we go.
dan friesen
You got it.
jordan holmes
Why can't we just say the Jews hate the whites anymore?
dan friesen
Got it in one.
jordan holmes
Now we're here.
You get to say the Jews hate the whites, right?
dan friesen
So that's a large part of what is powering this person's content.
And Alex has seen a video of this guy.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he's like, yeah, it is just like we're the new Rome.
And so he talks about that a lot.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
So here's a club of Netanyahu, past and present, saying, oh, America's the new Rome.
And then he's like, oh, I'm reading a book about Israel's war with Rome.
He goes, we got to win the war with Rome.
And he says, America's the new Rome.
He tells you, America is his brand of Judaism's evil.
Why?
Because it's the most powerful.
It's Rome.
He knows history repeats.
jordan holmes
What?
Wait.
alex jones
So you don't know you're a Roman.
I love that line.
And Joe tweeted it once.
And I'm also a big fan.
I don't want a fan TV period, but the Sopranos.
And they ask the head Sopranos guy, they go, What do you think happened to the Romans?
He goes, What the fuck is it you're looking at?
But the point is like, the point is, is that we are the new Rome, guys.
This whole thing's Roman.
It's a Roman system.
unidentified
They got their Judaic system.
jordan holmes
Tell me about these systems.
alex jones
And they don't want to compete with it.
Trump is a Roman.
And he's trying to work with the Israelis, but they don't see him as that.
They see him as Titus.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
alex jones
They see him as Pompeo that sent Titus.
And it's literally look it up.
Pompeo goes all the way back to that leader.
jordan holmes
Wait, I'm sorry?
alex jones
It's the same thing.
You think of thousands of years ago?
It was a long time ago.
It's like two seconds ago, folks.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
alex jones
You're connected to your mother and father, them to them.
All the same blood, all the same connection, like electricity.
You go all the way back.
dan friesen
So Alex recently saw this video that was going around social media that framed world politics as being essentially Israel versus Rome.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
Where the U.S. and the West are now Rome.
The argument the person is making is a fundamentally anti-Semitic smear because Rome fell long before Israel was a state.
And this is just a repackaging of the idea that you so brilliantly pointed out that Jewish people are at war with the white man.
alex jones
There we go.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
All right.
jordan holmes
We got there.
dan friesen
Alex doesn't seem to understand or care how this new exciting position he's adopting is basically Nazi shit.
Instead, he's acting like it's some kind of enlightened place he's achieved through research.
According to this new framework that Alex spends a lot of the show on, some old civilizations have very long memories.
For example, the Chinese people are sending us fentanyl over here to kill Americans as revenge for the opium wars.
Sure.
Western, and by that Alex means white, civilizations are able to grow and escape from the petty need to pay other countries back for past offenses, but these other guys, they just can't move on.
jordan holmes
No, that's why we burned Iraq to the ground.
dan friesen
So the Chinese are sending us drugs, and the Jews are mad about Titus sacking the Second Temple in 70 AD.
jordan holmes
Are they?
dan friesen
I guess.
That's why you need to shut up about Trump covering up the Epstein stuff.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Throughout Alex's scholarly rant about how no one understands history, he keeps referring to Titus working with someone named Pompeo.
I thought that was really confusing because the Roman general who was involved in the sacking of Jerusalem was Pompey the Great.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Whose name wasn't Pompey.
jordan holmes
Do you mean Pompeo the Great?
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Do you mean Pompeo the Great?
dan friesen
So I was really confused.
And then later, Alex plays the video that he saw on Twitter that he's basically just built a show around, which includes this line, and then it all made sense.
unidentified
I've been trying to tell people on my channel that America is the modern day realm.
Over 350 military bases that are just spreading ourselves out, you know, to the deep state.
dan friesen
Anyway, watch this for a second.
unidentified
We had a moving visit today to the wall.
I can't resist from being in this problem.
I said to the secretary that the last time Pompeo visited Jerusalem didn't end that well.
But this is a different time.
dan friesen
So Netanyahu made a joke to Mike Pompeo about his name being similar to Pompey.
So Alex is just running with that.
This clip comes from a video made by a former Utah cop named Eric Mutsos, who ironically is exactly the type of person Alex has been yelling about this entire episode.
Shocking.
All of his fucking content is about Israel and how the U.S. is occupied by Jewish people.
He's the archetype of the guy who Alex is like, hey, why are you so obsessed with Israel?
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's all low-effort anti-Semitic slop recorded in his car, couched and pretending it's a criticism of the state of Israel.
Eric isn't a critic of Israel or someone making political content.
He posted a video the other day that was just about how great Henry Ford's international Jew was.
That was just a load of bigotrash that builds to him getting out of his car and revealing that he's driving a Ford.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
I completely for, I was like, because of the way that language works, right?
I had forgotten for a second that that was a piece of literature.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And instead, I was like, did he tour with someone?
alex jones
No, did not.
dan friesen
So I can't believe that I did this.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But in order to fully get a sense of where this guy was coming from and treat it fairly, I watched an almost two-hour video that he put out about six months ago called Who Are They?
Which I would love to watch Alex try to justify because it's you know who he thinks they are.
jordan holmes
I wonder.
I wonder who they is because it's really nice of him to lay it out for me.
There's no way for me to guess.
dan friesen
It's an interesting exploration that he has of dumb ideas.
So Alex is basing almost his entire show on this video that this Eric fella put out.
And Eric actually embodies something that I think is a huge problem in right-wing idiot media spaces right now.
His long deconstruction of who they are is just him sitting talking into a camera and playing short, deceptively edited videos that he found on social media.
Those videos often include fake quotes or things that are presented in a way to deprive context from the original source, but they're packaged smoothly for someone to consume on TikTok.
There's no research that's being done here.
Eric hasn't looked into any of this stuff.
He's just decided to believe that whoever made those TikTok videos has done the work and is telling the truth.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
The question that he's pretending to ask in that video is basically, are the Jews behind all the problems in the world?
jordan holmes
I bet they are.
dan friesen
And he's taking the question so unseriously that all he can be bothered to do is watch propaganda memes created by Nazis, which he then pretends is research.
He's not citing any books in this lecture, this two-hour video that he put out.
And anytime he brings up something like the Talmud, he hasn't read anything.
He's just referring to someone else tweeting something about it.
And here's the point I want to make.
Eric does not give a shit about this stuff.
It's just really marketable right now.
This is a big fucking question.
Whether or not a group of people is fundamentally evil and behind all the problems in the world.
So if you're setting out to answer that question, you have a responsibility to be a little bit serious about it.
If you appoint yourself someone who's making a comment on that kind of question, especially if your answer is kind of yes, you can't just be a dude skimming shitty videos on social media.
That's an indication that you don't really care about this.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's a big question to not take seriously.
unidentified
There are so many books about Rome.
dan friesen
It's true.
jordan holmes
You can't fucking, how could you ever even consider saying like, oh, we're the new Rome without also having read at least one book?
dan friesen
Well, it's because that guy in his video that Alex watched plays a couple clips of Benjamin Netanyahu saying things that are like America is the new Rome.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
He didn't read like Asimov's The Rise and Fall.
He didn't read a book.
He didn't even read a textbook for high schoolers.
dan friesen
Well, in the clip that we just heard from that guy, Eric's video, it's Netanyahu is talking to Mike Pompeo.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he's saying the last time Pompeo was here, it didn't go well.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Just the sacking of the second temple.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And he says America, the new Rome, views itself as the new Jerusalem.
Right.
And so, like, this is in the context of Mike Pompeo going over after Trump had made Jerusalem recognized as the capital.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So, like, there's a lot going on.
He's not calling America the new Rome.
He's pointing out a similarity that actually reveals a difference between Rome and America.
Yeah.
And, like, I get taking that out of context, but that's where a lot of that comes from.
jordan holmes
Jeez.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I suppose if your entire worldview is based off of 30-second things that one guy said who happens to run Israel at the time, that's going to fuck you up.
You should broader kind of view.
dan friesen
Right.
And you heard the violin in the background of that Netanyahu clip, and that's because this guy didn't find that clip.
He didn't watch this whole speech.
He didn't source any of this stuff.
He found it in another TikTok video.
And now he's just building an argument based on bullshit.
jordan holmes
It's regurgitation.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It is non-stop.
It is like the hive mind throwing up into somebody else's mouth and then turning around and throwing up into another person's mouth.
dan friesen
And then Alex is eating that and throwing it up.
And if you want to be taken seriously on the subject of do the Jews run the world, this can't be your workflow.
It's insulting.
Just on the level of you don't even take this seriously.
You just watch TikToks.
jordan holmes
The world is so big.
It's so big.
dan friesen
Very dumb.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So the world may be big.
Sure.
But it also operates off old beef.
alex jones
Old beef.
dan friesen
Sure.
So this old beef that's going on.
Like everybody has got it.
jordan holmes
Ancient beefs.
Your great, great, great, great-grandfather killed my great-great-great-grandfather.
We're going to fight till the end.
dan friesen
Yeah.
alex jones
Thousands of years ago was a long time ago.
It's like two seconds ago, folks.
You're connecting your mother and father, them to them.
It's all the same blood, all the same connection, like electricity.
You go all the way back.
And you've forgotten all of this.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
And so you don't understand your identity.
Well, don't worry.
Other groups with long memories that got their shit together, they do.
And they see you as the enemy team.
It's not an attack on anybody.
Hey, you declared war on us?
We accept the challenge.
But I ain't going to spend all my time on the Lekudniks and they're hijacking Israel.
Because there's a lot of smart people over there that know where this is going and don't want to blow the world up.
Saudi Arabia is wanting to shut it down.
They got all these Muslim leaders coming up saying, hey, stop the invasion.
We don't want war.
We're going to kill everybody.
We're going to blow the planet up.
Major Muslim leaders in Jordan is hard like, hey, the Islamic invasion, they take no more Muslims.
We don't want it.
We're not going with Muhammad.
No, no, it's not.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry, Wait.
Can you do that?
Can you choose to not go with Muhammad?
alex jones
They think they have a right to rule.
They're like, we're 6,000 years old, bitch.
You think you won 10 quarters ago?
This is a 100-quarter game.
That's not quarters.
jordan holmes
That's not quarters.
alex jones
It ain't over till it's over.
The average Americans paycheck to paycheck, thinking about a Netflix show.
Well, your buddies playing pool, go to the beach, think about your next trip to Cancun.
GGP ain't thinking about that.
He's got 500-year plans.
jordan holmes
Maybe he should.
alex jones
Shwen Yahu's got 2,000-year plans.
jordan holmes
Maybe he should take a break.
alex jones
And you take somebody like me that knows all this, and I'm the bad guy, so I'll give you simple, mindless crap.
But that's why they want me off the air because these guys have read all the books and all the study, and they don't like hearing somebody go.
We got one that can see.
It's like in they live when the woman in the grocery puts the glasses on.
She goes, or she sees you put the glasses on.
She goes, she talks and her watch is like a transmitter.
i got one that can see all right here is uh this breakdown It's absolutely on target.
We play this like five times in a row.
And I guess we can give you a few rabbis saying we're going to destroy Rome.
You want to see that?
You didn't know you were Rome?
It'd be like the Crips, the Bloods, the 80s and 90s, killing tens of thousands of each other.
And then you're a black kid growing up in the year 2090 somewhere.
And somebody comes and shoots you because you're black and maybe your granddaddy was in the bloods.
I mean, it's that crazy.
You don't know what the bloods are in 2090 or what the Crips are.
Well, they do.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah.
alex jones
So this is how the world really works, boys and girls.
So you're seen as a Roman.
And you think, well, Western culture is the Gutenberg press and the King James Bible and the Magna Carta and common law.
Well, that ain't it.
jordan holmes
China invented all of those things.
alex jones
That's how the Chinese see it or how the Jews see it in Israel.
The ones that are in charge.
You ever notice Putin addresses America and the UK as the Anglo-Saxons?
The average person thinks they have a little bit of British history.
He goes, oh, I'm an Anglo-Saxon.
No, no, Anglo-Saxons are a Norse tribe that conquered Western Europe and then William the Conqueror conquered the British Isles.
And then Putin announces them as, well, we've had our thousand-year war because they invaded Russia as well with the Anglo-Saxons.
We defeated you from the West and the Mongols and the Muslims from the East later.
And so we'll defeat you as well, Anglo-Saxon.
It's old beefs, people.
dan friesen
Yeah, I get it.
jordan holmes
It's old beefs.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's old beefs.
That's all it is.
unidentified
Dan, it's old beefs.
dan friesen
History is all a race war.
jordan holmes
Listen, they're from there, which is close to there.
It's old beefs.
alex jones
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
Did you notice how they called him Anglo-Saxon?
If you cut that up, that's Anglo, that's Ang, from Avatar, The Last Airbender.
And then you have Saxon, and that's Sax, which is like a saxophone, which Lisa Simpson played in The Simpsons.
So you've got Aang versus The Simpsons.
The Avatar wins every time.
That controls all four elements.
dan friesen
This is bleeding gums erasure.
jordan holmes
This is old beefs.
dan friesen
This is bleeding gums erasure.
Saxophone, what you're talking about.
No, you're not.
You're right.
jordan holmes
You're right.
dan friesen
Come on.
jordan holmes
I know.
dan friesen
I know.
I find this to be pathetic.
alex jones
I don't know what else to say.
dan friesen
It's just you're listening to have had some stupid fucking shit.
jordan holmes
China's like, we're 6,000 years old, bitch.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
Great.
jordan holmes
What does that even mean?
dan friesen
What great geopolitical analysis?
Everybody's mad at each other.
jordan holmes
So different races.
dan friesen
So different places and they're mad.
jordan holmes
We were at the G7, right?
And China, man.
Wait, is there, are they allowed, are they in the G7 anymore?
Or was that the G8?
No, no, the G8 had Russia in it?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Man, I don't even know what people are doing anymore.
Guess what?
I guess that's as much as I know that China's like, we're 6,000 years old, bitch.
dan friesen
I think a lot of people are doing things without us.
Yeah.
Starting to talk about doing things without us, which is wise.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I would recommend that.
dan friesen
Yeah, I know.
This is oversimplification of a lot of stuff that serves just the racist purpose of creating the image that everybody is out to get the white man.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Which is the foundation of Alex's ideology, really.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So it makes sense that he would adopt this kind of framework.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, it was going to happen.
Because it's old beefs.
dan friesen
It's old beefs.
jordan holmes
He's literally existing in old beefs as we speak.
His racism comes from his parents and his grandparents and their grandparents before him.
dan friesen
Well, they are all the same.
They have the same blood.
jordan holmes
He is the old beef while at the same time, he's telling you how stupid old beefs are.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Amazing.
Amazing.
dan friesen
Well, I think that that kind of speaks to part of his old beef.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Which is that he views white people as the only people who are able to transcend old beef.
Right?
Like, he does not believe that.
jordan holmes
And he never stopped fighting about it.
Yeah.
dan friesen
China, Muslims, the Jews, they're all caught in their old beef.
jordan holmes
They're trapped in their old beefs.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
And I have to keep fighting those old beefs, of course.
dan friesen
But I don't think that's because they're going to be.
jordan holmes
Because they're going to fight those old beefs.
I have no investment in these old beefs.
What I'm trying to do is stop them from having these old beefs by eradicating them, admittedly.
dan friesen
I transcend the left-right paradigm by being super far to the right.
jordan holmes
Feels very similar to the beef.
dan friesen
So anyway, history is like one big race war.
And it's kind of like a movie.
There we are.
jordan holmes
Which movie?
dan friesen
Well, you'll love it.
Okay.
alex jones
So the Chinese want to get America.
Not the Chinese person on average.
I'm not going to the Chinese government.
And Europe because of the opium, the fentanyl they're doing.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
The Jews are pissed because the Roman general burned everything down.
And you're like, what?
That makes this mean.
Well, that's because you don't understand.
These people understand.
Have you seen Dune?
Have you read the book?
Frank Herbert's genius.
Later books aren't that good.
He's made money on House Atreides, House Arconin.
All these houses, they're thousands of years old.
And it's all about the beefs.
It's all about the wars.
It's all about how many times they tried to beat the other one.
And these empires are still there and they're pissed.
They've been battling and battling.
It's not that the Jews are bad or the Chinese are bad or the Anglo-Saxons or the Russians.
We all got our problems.
But these are the football teams.
And if you don't know the football teams, you don't know what's going on.
When Baron Harkins about to kill Duke Leto Atreides after 2,000 years of war.
jordan holmes
Not between the two of them.
alex jones
All because hundreds of generations before, his ancestor had betrayed the Harkonnens when they were the good guys.
He says, finally, your house dies tonight.
Your son, your wife, your concubine, your house, you're all dead.
Finally, the 2,000 years ends right now.
Your house dies tonight.
Last of the Mohicans.
This is based on true stories can possibly.
jordan holmes
Sorry, we were moving fast.
alex jones
It's the last Mohican there.
You got the tribe that's exterminated all those people because of hundreds and hundreds of years of war.
And he says, today your seed dies forever.
You are the last of the Mohicans.
I'm going to kill you.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
This is what it's all about.
This is what genetics is about.
It's what eugenics is about.
It's what Plato wrote about.
This is everything.
This is the real world, folks.
It ain't your football team.
The Titans versus the Redskins or the – no, that's all facsimiles.
The real war are these forces.
dan friesen
Races?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think that Alex is like, I don't understand if he knows what he's saying, but he really feels like he's arguing for ethnic purity.
alex jones
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
Like the maintenance of clean blood.
jordan holmes
I don't know how else to describe what it is he's describing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because that would, because by definition, what he is describing, should you have, say, a black person in your family tree, you would consider that race memory to be evil.
dan friesen
Or at least not part of your football team.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
But it's part of you.
So now you must be excised from the tree.
dan friesen
Well, it's very bad.
Like the ideas that he's espousing are very bad.
But I really, even, you know, however many years we are into this, like, I can't really tell if he understands what he is fully saying.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Or if he just watched this YouTube video and he's so lazy that it's just like, fuck, there's a day's show.
Who cares?
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
I suppose it's an interesting question, too, if you go back to like the 1800s, whenever you'd have like a scientist who is like, I've studied this and I'm going to say what Alex says is true, right?
Do you think they truly understood what they were saying?
You know, because they didn't understand what they were talking about.
They thought about it more, but they were fucking crazy, right?
So has he just put in so much thought in the wrong direction that he's a fucking lunatic?
dan friesen
It's possible.
Like, I think that these ideas are compatible with a lot of his career and his content.
Like, it could be what is behind a lot of his ideas, but he likes to pretend that he's not sort of race essentialist.
Yeah.
These things that he's saying, like, it's your football team.
You know, that kind of stuff is.
jordan holmes
You were born on this football team.
dan friesen
And it's about your blood.
jordan holmes
And the old beefs.
Relative purity of your blood and the old beefs.
dan friesen
It's crazy.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And the Dune part of it is even crazier.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, if you invoke Dune and you're talking about race science, you're not going to have a good time.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
It's going to be a bad idea.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
I wouldn't recommend it.
dan friesen
Alex should just become a worm.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, you don't want him to do that because the worm is God.
So you're saying that Alex should become God?
That's a terrible idea.
dan friesen
But isn't it kind of a curse?
jordan holmes
I mean, isn't Godhood kind of a curse?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Deep.
dan friesen
You know, it would be fun.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think a great curse for Alex would be God actually talking to him.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like actually being like, hey, cut it out.
jordan holmes
No, I mean, Alex, all of the right wing right now is living inside the most perfect, like ironic genie wish, right?
Like what they, they are getting what they wished for, and they're finding out that this isn't what they wish for.
Like this is this is classic.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's the, that's the thing that Alex can't internalize.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It's like a lot of the people who are around you who are starting to recognize that Trump sucks are ahead of you.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's ahead of the ball.
That's the way this is breaking.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's, you know, the bummer is.
The bummer, like, Faust doesn't end with Faust going like, you know what?
I don't think I did anything wrong.
And then the book is fine.
You know, like there is the moment where he goes, ah, shit, I fucked up.
We need, as a society, we need that moment.
Yeah.
We cannot live without a moment where Faust goes, this was a bad deal.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And even people who didn't choose to have Trump as the ruler or whatever, we still need to be an active part of that reckoning with how bad this period is.
jordan holmes
This was a bad move.
Let's enshrine how bad it is in fucking statues and shit.
dan friesen
Yeah, let's avoid statues.
jordan holmes
Statues are dumb, but you know what I mean.
Concrete someplace.
dan friesen
So I think a lot of Alex's early career and a lot of the stuff that he like that could have broad appeal.
Sure.
Like a lot of these, a lot of ideas involve like the CIA overthrew all these countries.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
You know, they're involved in, they're meddling in politics and all that stuff, and they shouldn't do that.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
So right now, Alex believes that the CIA is trying to overthrow Mexico.
jordan holmes
And they should totally be doing that.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's totally.
alex jones
You've got Mexico engulfed in a massive revolution.
Is the CIA involved?
Yes, probably, undoubtedly.
But it was already overdue.
Mexico is an incredible tyranny.
We'll get to that coming up.
This is about Trump reasserting American dominance in our hemisphere, securing Rome, going after Venezuela and its subsidiary Mexico.
It all ties together.
We'll get to that in a few minutes.
And it doesn't mean we endorse all of this.
We're just telling you what's happening so you can make your own assessment.
But I mentioned the Dune remake that's excellent.
The first is a two-part excellent book by Frank Herbert.
We understand esoteric systems, governments, intelligence agencies.
It's an archetype of what's happened in the last thousand years.
dan friesen
Sure.
alex jones
But Dune is set 3,000 years after the machines take over with AI, exterminate most of humanity, humans fight back in a jihad against the machines.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
The Both Lyrian jihad, memory serves.
unidentified
Orange Catholic budget.
alex jones
Because in the book, it's estimated that major exploration for space colonies is a bunch of Muslims, and then they're one of the main groups that fights against the machines.
But the point is that it's an archetype of what's actually happened.
And so you have a couple thousand-year war between House Harkonnen and House Atreides.
They're the two top royal dynasties interplanetary under the emperor, and he wants to play the two off against each other to take out House Atreides and then later take out House Harkonnen.
But it all backfires on him.
But here he is after he's turned over spice production, the key living station technology, to House Atreides from House Harkonnen was really a sneak attack plan.
And Baron Harkonnen.
jordan holmes
Are we doing this?
alex jones
Floating along on his anti-gravity.
jordan holmes
Are we doing this the whole time?
alex jones
To kill Diglito Atreides, announce after thousands of years of attacking you and wars, it all ends today.
He chomps on his poison tooth and dies.
The Baron's able to put on his shield and go up to the ceiling and survive.
Sure.
But the point is, is that when you see these movies and things, these are archetypes of history.
So why does Baron Harkonnen care about 2,000 years ago, the Atreides, who were, you could say, bad at the time, betraying Harkonnen?
They then become corrupt over time.
And off of this hatred become 20 times more evil than the Atreides.
And over 2,000 years, the Atreides become the good guys.
It shows how all these things change over time, which is true.
Here's a clue.
jordan holmes
Which is true.
unidentified
There you go.
Lord Baron.
alex jones
But how did he get the tooth?
dan friesen
Alex has so much detail in the setup for this scene.
And yet he doesn't even bring up Dr. Yui.
jordan holmes
He doesn't.
He doesn't.
And to break a sick doctor's training.
Right.
I mean, that's the whole thing.
dan friesen
Yeah, but he had to think of his wife.
jordan holmes
Oh, it's the wife every time.
dan friesen
Nothing about Duncan Idaho.
Yeah.
So that's how the world works.
jordan holmes
That is, you know, I wonder, here's what's interesting to me, right?
I find it interesting that these people are talking about Rome while thinking about Dune as opposed to the correct sci-fi, which would be Asimov's foundation.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
You know, like you're right there.
If you're going to do sci-fi, if you're going to do Rome, boom, there.
It is what it is.
dan friesen
Yeah, Alex is more of a Dune guy, though.
jordan holmes
Ah, but that's crazy.
There's psychics in the foundation.
You'll get some psychic powers.
dan friesen
Yeah.
You know what?
It's interesting.
I think he just wasn't an Asimov guy.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Weird.
dan friesen
I don't feel like he references.
You know, my Asimov isn't as deep as it could be.
jordan holmes
You're not a Caves of Steel guy.
No.
dan friesen
But he is more in the Dune childhood Zen.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Yeah.
These are more his touchstones.
jordan holmes
There are so many of these guys who it's like, if you traced it back, it's bad sci-fi or it's sci-fi at the wrong time or the wrong kind of sci-fi at the wrong kind, you know?
And there's so many people where it's like, if you had just switched this book out for this book, would we have a completely different universe?
dan friesen
Or if you'd had a friend you could talk to about what you're reading.
jordan holmes
Or if you had a friend.
dan friesen
If you had a sounding board to help you understand literature a little bit better.
Yeah, yeah.
Maybe.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I would say that his understanding of Dune, much like his understanding of the real world, surface level only.
dan friesen
We're not quite done.
Oh, does he have more?
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Great.
alex jones
It was a 2,000-year war.
And House of Trade is just like the Greeks or the West.
So, again, it's all archetypes of this.
And so, just like them trying to kill Trump and shut us down, that's the years in the desert we come back stronger.
You can't give up when you lose phases of this thing.
We have to transcend the Anglo-Saxons and the Russians fighting, the Chinese attacking what they see as the West, the new Rome, the Jews attacking the new Rome.
It's the same stuff, and this is what they talk about in their councils, folks.
So be a dumb.
jordan holmes
Wait, I'm sorry?
alex jones
I know all you so-called Jew experts that think if you're like, well, we never heard any of this because you're dumb.
I'm sorry, you're idiots.
dan friesen
So that's like Nick.
And ironically, the guy who made the new Rome video that Alex is basing all of this off on?
jordan holmes
That is him.
dan friesen
Yeah, they're the people Alex is saying are dumb.
jordan holmes
Right.
The people that he's saying do a great job.
He is also saying are fucking stupid.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And you shouldn't listen to them.
dan friesen
That's a problem.
jordan holmes
They do a great job, though.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Come on, man.
jordan holmes
It's very difficult to parse.
It's very difficult to parse.
dan friesen
It's just stupid.
It's just stupid.
It's poorly planned.
It's lazy.
It's sloppy.
And Dune.
jordan holmes
And Dune.
Okay.
So.
dan friesen
That's how the world works.
jordan holmes
I mean, man.
Just the Jews are trying to kill us all.
That's your whole interpretation of the world.
No, no, no.
America's the new Rome.
And because Rome wasn't nice to Jerusalem, which was not Israel at the time, that means that the Israelis, who are not necessarily the Jews of that time, somehow have an old beef with a country that did also not exist at that time.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Because they kind of think that it's a lot like that country now.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I think that you're oversimplifying things.
The Chinese also want to disrupt.
jordan holmes
That's right.
They're 6,000-year-olds.
dan friesen
Come on.
jordan holmes
No, you're right.
You're right.
dan friesen
It's not just one.
jordan holmes
No, it's China and everybody non-white.
Let's face it.
dan friesen
Yeah, also everyone in South America.
jordan holmes
We would say African names, but he doesn't know any countries in Africa.
dan friesen
Yeah, Muslims.
jordan holmes
He doesn't believe Egypt is in Africa.
I bet he doesn't.
I bet 50 bucks he thinks Egypt is in the.
Yeah.
dan friesen
No, he knows geography.
Okay.
So we get out of the dune section of the show, which, like, I just really think that it's demonstrably race essentialist garbage.
Yeah.
I think that he's drifting into a territory that he can't, he can't keep that going without becoming like a clan.
jordan holmes
No, absolutely.
No, you have to have pure white blood is where we're at now.
dan friesen
If he continues down this line and doesn't drop this, that's the end of this road.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we're looking at like, hey, can you give me your genealogy up to the 12th generation?
And if I find anything I don't like in that million people, you're dead.
dan friesen
But it's only because the race memory, we need to have, you know, our football team.
jordan holmes
It's got to be quizzats hotterock.
dan friesen
We can't have someone who's playing for the other team on our team.
jordan holmes
Right.
Because that would be crazy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So anyway, we get out of that section of the show.
And Alex is like, hey, God, Marjorie Taylor Greene, she should be nicer to Trump.
jordan holmes
Do you mean Marjorie Taylor Brown?
alex jones
I'm not attacking MTG or Tim Dillon.
Just examples I'm giving.
We're piling on against Trump.
It gets viral.
Everybody loves it.
Criticize Trump where he's wrong, but talk about the Democrats.
Talk about the Globalists.
Talk about the larger issues.
Talk about the good Trump's done.
unidentified
So people can make a decision.
alex jones
I can snap my fingers and sell out to the Globalists right now.
jordan holmes
Do it.
Do it.
Snap.
Do it.
alex jones
They want to make me one of their top generals.
jordan holmes
Become one.
Do it.
dan friesen
I dare you.
alex jones
And they couldn't believe all the times they offered me the deal.
I said no.
Because I don't feel good doing that.
I feel good out here in the desert.
Or use the analogy from the great Millis work.
Apocalypse now.
Well, the Green Berets in the hotel room getting drunk with hookers getting weaker.
Charlie's out in the jungle squatting with an Aggie 47 eating rice getting stronger.
No, it feels good to be with humanity.
dan friesen
This is the image of a guy who does not watch movies or think about them a lot.
So Marjorie Taylor Greene is about to resign from Congress, but that hasn't happened yet.
So Alex is still kind of in this headspace where he thinks that this is a fun game and everything is going to be all right.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But more importantly, the globalists would never want Alex now.
His value as a sellout is completely gone because there's no way he could credibly sell the idea of selling out to whatever audience he has left.
The whole idea is that the man wants you to sell out because you have a talent, and that talent will lure the audience you can gather in the direction the man wants them to go.
Your value as a sellout is completely contingent on how well you can sell out without alienating the audience that you're supposed to bring with you.
Alex is a valueless commodity on this front.
He could sell out to the man tomorrow and the man would see no benefit from it.
It's a tough position for him to be in, but Alex needs to recognize that as he exists now, no one has any use for him.
Trump doesn't care about his support and Alex could completely turn on him and Alex probably wouldn't even get to have a fun nickname.
Like Trump wouldn't even insult him out of it probably.
At the same time, all of Alex's imaginary enemies don't really care that much about what he's doing either because there's a hundred more younger, more extreme Alexes out there in the world.
If anyone's going to get a sellout offer, it's someone who could actually make a dent and drive some followers in the desired direction.
And Alex isn't that.
I've come up with a three-pronged plan to get Alex his groove back.
And I think if he does these things, he could have a shot.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
One, stop talking to Roger Stone and ban anyone who's a Trump partisan from the show.
It's fine to have people around who want to have positive feelings towards Trump, but Alex needs to cut it out with buddying up to political hacks.
He's supposed to be the guy in the wilderness, not the guy who's friends with insiders.
And that image needs to stop now.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Two, get back to the chaotic roots with people like Leo Zagami, Daniel Estelin, Alan Watt, Larry Nichols, Steve Pachanik.
Some of these people are dead, but they're the kind of energy Alex's show needs.
Like the show itself has become overrun with meme-creating dipshits and folks like Nick Sortor.
Where are the Dawn de Grand Prix?
Where are the Daryl Hamamotos?
This show doesn't have the right balance of good lunatics, and it's suffering because of it.
Three, do the painting show.
I joke about it a lot, but it's actually one of the best ideas he's ever had.
jordan holmes
It really is.
dan friesen
Alex's whole ranting about tweets thing is getting really stale, and it would benefit him a lot to explore different presentations.
One of Alex's biggest marketing tools in the past has been hijacking absurdity and getting people to laugh at him.
And there's a possibility that an angry-ass painting show or a show where Alex sits down with a film critic and discusses what he thinks a movie is about, that could attract a big new audience.
They might just be watching to laugh at him, but that's always been a part of it.
From the bullhorning days to the gay frogs, all this shit.
Alex takes himself too seriously these days because the whole fighting the devil thing.
But there's a small window left where he might be able to trick people into watching him by being the butt of the joke again.
And if he would do that with the painting show or whatever kind of presentation, you could trick a lot of people into being like, isn't this guy fun?
jordan holmes
I mean, the painting show is just so, it's so right there.
It is like you, you, he starts painting.
He's going to get distracted and he's going to get angry when he fails at painting and he has to keep going.
Or what happens next is the greatest.
dan friesen
Or the other possibility is he's kind of decent at painting and that's fucking weird.
jordan holmes
That would be crazy.
dan friesen
He's still angry about everything.
jordan holmes
And what if he was just nicely explaining how he likes to paint?
dan friesen
No, that won't happen.
jordan holmes
That would be insane.
dan friesen
I've seen him walking around in nature and he's furious now.
So like, you'd still be angry, but it would be fucking awesome if he was good at painting and he's screaming about the devil and painting.
jordan holmes
And what would he start painting when he wasn't thinking about what he was painting?
In the middle of the rant, would he continue painting and what would appear?
You know, would his Rorschach tests appear as a picture?
Yeah.
dan friesen
And like movie recap shows are kind of like, you know, they're a dime a dozen.
There's a ton of them out there.
But something like someone who actually cares about film, sitting down with someone like Alex, who's fucking insane and sees things that aren't there in every piece of media, like that would be an interesting angle on that genre that he has the possibility to do that no one else could do.
If he started exploring lanes like that, got rid of the Trump loyalists and got interesting weirdos again.
Like I think he could make a go of it, but he's not going to do any of that shit and it's a bummer.
jordan holmes
No.
Again, ironic genie, for fuck's sakes, admit you made a bad wish and let's move on with our lives.
Right?
You made a bad wish, now make a painting show.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Wish for a very specific painting show and don't get your ass Twilight zoned into be a Trump fan.
Yeah.
dan friesen
You need to, and all of these three prongs, one of the things about them is reasserting yourself as like your own thing.
Yeah.
And I think that's a large part of like what's missing.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I mean, he's subsumed into everybody else's bullshit.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it's not cool.
It's not fun.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
So we have one last clip here, and it's Alex discussing how he didn't get to any of the news.
alex jones
And look, I didn't get all these articles here as a prop.
I didn't have all these stacks here.
Just to look like I had a bunch of information.
I covered two stacks out of one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23.
Not to mention all the clips.
But it's okay.
Because I had to research it all and have it there in case we need to cover it.
And, you know, there's a lot to hit here.
And my biggest frustration is not getting to all this.
But I think the larger discussion about history and how the different elites see each other and what's going on is kind of important.
And a lot of you probably tuned in.
A lot of you tuned in and knew what I was talking about.
A lot of you probably didn't know what I was talking about.
You're like, well, what is this?
Well, that's how the establishment thinks.
dan friesen
Through blood purity.
That's how they think.
I got all these stacks of paper here.
They're not props.
They're totally real.
And I didn't get to.
jordan holmes
A single one of them.
dan friesen
Well, I got a couple, very low percentage because I got distracted by yelling about Israel and Rome and old beefs.
jordan holmes
See, that is pullback.
That should be the description of something fun and interesting, especially in this context.
That you could say that in a broad stroke and then be like, but don't.
It's the most boring shit you could imagine, is disheartening.
That's fucking stupid.
You could riff so much fun shit just off of Israel and Rome are real now and hate each other back then.
And now we've got old beefs.
There's a lot of fun, weird shit you can do.
But instead, he's just a racist.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And I think that there's also, like, from a content perspective, ways you can make racism much more interesting.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
If you're not trying to be evasive about what it is you're saying.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Like, if Alex would just fully lean into it, then it would be more interesting content.
Yeah.
But he's not even able to do that, which may be for the better in some ways, because certainly don't want his show just to become a like, let's hunt down people who have other blood.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I wonder, man, he should watch Kingdom of Heaven.
That's a great movie.
I love that movie.
unidentified
Well, a really, really long version is good.
dan friesen
Well, I'm sorry.
He has actually seen a movie this month, so it's going to be a while until he can get around to it.
Anyway, this sucks.
I thought this was trash.
I regret wasting time watching that other guy's videos.
jordan holmes
I bet he loved Benicio Del Toro in one battle after another, though.
dan friesen
The former Utah cop.
jordan holmes
I would have gone with Alex, but yeah, the former Utah cop, too.
dan friesen
Yeah, they all love him.
jordan holmes
Benicio was too good.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So we'll be back with another episode and check in on how Alex is continuing what is a deeply destructive stretch of time.
Yeah.
And I think it is very funny the way he's still not recognizing that Marjorie Taylor Green isn't bluffing.
Yeah.
And how hard that that pill is going to be to swallow.
But hey, we'll see how he does it.
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
Indeed, we do.
It's knowledgefight.com.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
We'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I am the mysterious Professor.
alex jones
Woo!
Yeah!
unidentified
Woo!
alex jones
Yeah!
dan friesen
And now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
Hello, Alex.
unidentified
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your work.
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