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#1099: November 17, 2025

In this installment, Dan and Jordan look on disappointedly as Alex tries to make himself feel better about still supporting Trump by having a full-on anti-Indian and antisemitic breakdown.

Participants
Main voices
a
alex jones
29:53
d
dan friesen
58:24
j
jordan holmes
28:31
Appearances
Clips
b
benjamin netanyahu
00:55
e
eric moutsos
00:58
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Speaker Time Text
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a fish tin color.
Saying I love your room.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
Knowledgefight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes.
Let's sit around, worship at the altar of Celine, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan, Jordan.
Quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today, buddy?
dan friesen
You go first.
jordan holmes
My bright spot is I threw away a trash can.
dan friesen
Oh, is this a bit?
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
That's someone's bit.
jordan holmes
No.
I mean, maybe.
dan friesen
How do you throw away a trash can?
Oh, that's like an old joke.
No, I. Steven Wright, man.
jordan holmes
I have.
It's possible.
Anyway.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Where'd you put it?
jordan holmes
There's a no, there was a trash can in my room.
It was the former kitchen trash can.
The main trash can, naturally, right?
But it's awful.
And so I had moved it into my room with the intent of throwing it away outside.
Several years have gone by.
So finally, a few days ago, I got rid of it.
I just grabbed it and got rid of it.
dan friesen
All right.
jordan holmes
You know, and I feel great.
It feels great.
dan friesen
Broken free.
jordan holmes
It's wild.
You know how things become geography?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And then you're like, well, I can't, I can't move.
dan friesen
It's like a mountain that's in my house.
unidentified
Yeah, I can't move like superior.
dan friesen
Oh, my God.
I can't do it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, that's part of the room.
Yeah.
But it's not, man.
You can just take it and get it out of there.
dan friesen
It's true.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I'm going to try and get rid of everything in that room.
Really fucking, does this bring me joy?
dan friesen
You know, the spark joy.
jordan holmes
That's what I'm saying.
And you know what?
dan friesen
Condo.
jordan holmes
I doubt it will.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I doubt it will.
dan friesen
I don't know if I should be admitting this, but I'm a little bit of a trash can skeptic.
jordan holmes
Wait, wait, wait.
Of you're skeptical of trash cans?
dan friesen
This is me.
This is on me.
Okay.
I get that I'm wrong.
jordan holmes
Whether or not they work?
dan friesen
Yeah.
Okay.
I have a garbage chute out in the hall of my building.
And so, like, I kind of just put things in trash bags and then throw it in.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, naturally.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You live a different lifestyle than us ground dwellers.
dan friesen
Whenever I have had trash cans, I find myself not using them and then just tossing things in a garbage can.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
Interesting.
dan friesen
And I know that part of that is my swing and bachelor lifestyle.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
dan friesen
I think I get that.
jordan holmes
Hey, what are you going to do?
dan friesen
You know, some of that is I'm living only for me here.
jordan holmes
We've all lived on a mattress and nothing else.
dan friesen
I got a bed frame, but I don't care for trash cans.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, I suppose ultimately the trash can is so when you pick up the bag of trash, especially if it's kitchen trash, you don't get your hands all covered in grimy bullshit.
dan friesen
Sure.
No, and I get it.
jordan holmes
I think that's about it.
I think that's really what it's there for.
dan friesen
Look, I respect it.
It works for what it's there for.
jordan holmes
Well, mine is in the garbage.
dan friesen
Hell yeah.
jordan holmes
Trash canned that trash.
dan friesen
You showed it.
jordan holmes
Hell yeah.
What's your bright spot?
dan friesen
So it is December 5th.
jordan holmes
You didn't do your bright spot.
dan friesen
What?
Yeah, no, I know.
I'm getting to it.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
Sorry.
dan friesen
It's December 5th when this episode comes out.
That means it's a day in December, which means it's time to have some of the things.
Oh, you're right.
jordan holmes
It is time for some cheese.
unidentified
East cheese and calendar.
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Katie.
jordan holmes
That was great.
unidentified
That was perfect.
dan friesen
That's a fucking jingle.
jordan holmes
That is the sting.
That is the sting.
We had this conversation before where there were some.
We've gotten some long songs.
dan friesen
You warned me about some of the things that you sent over, and I just chose one at random of the emails that you sent.
jordan holmes
I nailed it.
dan friesen
That is a statement.
That is a jingle.
jordan holmes
Yep, perfect.
dan friesen
Wow.
Thank you, Katie.
So today, the fifth, what we've got is a matured Gouda.
jordan holmes
A matured Gouda.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
So this is the part where you vampolate.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no, obviously.
Now, the fun thing that is coming up when you say a matured Gouda is I'm watching this show called Free Rin Beyond Journey's End, which is an anime, I admit, a little nerdy.
But what's interesting about it is it is the story after the story.
You know, like that classic hero's journey.
We start, we do the thing, we defeat the big demon king, and we do all that stuff.
Then what, then what?
Then what?
Right?
So you just kind of live a life.
And the point of the show ultimately gets back to if an adventure, you know, if you're on an adventure and you think about it, it's really just doing stuff.
So every time you're doing stuff, it's an adventure.
Right?
And so that's the attitude you got to take into it.
How does this matured Gouda follow up with that?
dan friesen
It is not a juvenile Gouda.
No, I mean, it's fine.
It tastes like a Gouda.
I don't know.
I'm not a.
jordan holmes
This could be an issue that you're not really a cheese guy.
dan friesen
No, I love cheese.
jordan holmes
No, I know you're not.
alex jones
But I'm not cheese.
dan friesen
I'm not a somalier.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
jordan holmes
You're not a cheese aficionado.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I'm not sure that would help with an Aldi cheese advent calendar.
unidentified
A new grocery store who shall not be named Advent Calendar.
dan friesen
No, but it's a good.
I like that.
All right.
It's mature.
I also think that my experience on my adventure, I was feeling like your vamping is a little bit desperate.
jordan holmes
I'm making up for last time, man.
dan friesen
You felt scared.
jordan holmes
I was making up for last time because last time I got zoned out and I went into a different world.
So this time I was coming up with material.
dan friesen
I think you focused so hard on it that, like, I mean, I think you came up with something good.
But it was distracting from the cheese for me.
jordan holmes
These are your backhanded compliment.
dan friesen
It took away from my experience of the Gouda, is all I'm saying.
jordan holmes
I rode the advent calendar.
Play a different jingle.
Jordan ruins the cheese song, is what we'll call this section.
dan friesen
Someone will send something in for that, I'm sure.
jordan holmes
I'm sure.
dan friesen
No, that was great.
Thank you for your contribution.
And thank you to the cheese.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much to Katie who sent in the song.
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.
Yeah.
It's not as mature as that cheese.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
dan friesen
It sucks.
This episode sucks.
Just get like, I'm getting out ahead of this thing.
jordan holmes
It sucks.
unidentified
Awful.
jordan holmes
It's awful.
dan friesen
So bad.
jordan holmes
Is it boring or is it really like somehow we hate more than the Indians kind of thing?
unidentified
Uh-oh.
Uh-oh.
jordan holmes
I don't like hearing that.
dan friesen
I think Alex might hate Indians now.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And no, it's a new low-ish kind of bad.
It's real, real, real bad.
He says some horrible stuff, and it's not pleasant.
jordan holmes
Then away we go.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So we'll get down to business on seeing how Alex deals with racism limbo.
But before that, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, Razm, Yazm, and the Gazm Chasm.
Thank you so much.
You're now Policy Wong.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, hey, Maddie B, did your ears perk up?
That's right.
It's swinging.
You're my number one little titty baby, and you will eat the entire vad of self-replicating salmon cancer goo.
Thank you so much, you and how policywonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And I'm still amazed that the only reads on this show have been Alex's shitty segments, and now I'm doing my part to keep it that way.
Thank you so much, Joanna Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And we got a technical credit, Mix, Jordan.
So thank you so much to Shoot2 Weed.
You and I Technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars.
alex jones
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
Daddy Sharp.
Bomb, Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
He's a loser, little, little titty baby.
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
So we enter back in.
We're here on November 17th, 2025.
And, you know, the world as it is, we're still in the middle of this Trump and Marjorie Taylor Greene having a meltdown at each other.
She hasn't retired from Congress yet.
Everything's bad.
People feel bad.
jordan holmes
Everybody feels bad.
dan friesen
It's ugly and gross.
Marjorie Taylor Brown was not a good insult.
jordan holmes
I'm going to tell you this right now, Dan.
It blows my mind.
But I think this whole Trump thing might have been a bad vote.
I think it might have been a bad choice.
dan friesen
This experiment is not going well?
No, it's not going well.
But at this point, I believe that Alex still has in his mind that this is just like every other thing that has ever happened.
We're just going to move along, and Marjorie Taylor Greene's going to be like, hey, sorry, boss.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Everybody will fall in line.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
All right.
There's a lot of recycling of news on the whole Epstein thing and Trump changing course again.
180, saying release it all.
We're going to get into that and get into his big fight with MTG and why that's important and why that's destructive and why that needs to stop with both of them.
But it's Trump that's really been saying the mean stuff like, you know, Marjorie Trader Green, he doubled almost last night.
And it's just not good, folks.
And I'm going to explain why.
And the American people don't like it.
And this just like running Elon out of there was really bad for Doge and for Trump's approval rating.
And that was the swamp winning.
dan friesen
It's interesting at this point, he's able to identify that this is mostly Trump's fault.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because there's still like low stakes at this point.
You know, Marjorie Taylor Greene not having quit yet has like a feeling of, hey, you know what, chalk up a little bit of fake blame on Trump.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
We'll take the load off Marjorie a little bit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
As long as it's a bend, not break situation.
Sure, we can bend it.
We can bend it.
You can criticize, but we don't break.
Once she resigns, that's breaking.
dan friesen
Yeah, or at least there's no reason for them not to treat it like a break.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Right.
And so, you know, this is the headspace that Alex is still in.
And I think that he thinks that Trump can come up with a way around his negative poll numbers.
All right.
And it involves scapegoating.
unidentified
All right.
alex jones
That's all these clips of Trump 10 years ago doing it.
So why doesn't he do that?
Because he's 79, folks.
And he's just said, I told you I moved on.
It's not me.
If you want to obsess over this, it's a distraction.
They're sucking you into it.
Move on.
Because he knows it's never going to come out on the other guys because they had all the evidence destroyed by Comey and his daughter.
Which is all true.
Then you have to say that every time you get asked.
Because this is a big issue.
Not say because your constituents are upset about this and want to see the Clintons and Bill Gates and all of them prosecuted for this.
You can't then say, no, there's nothing there.
You got to get up and order the Justice Department to do it, which you've now done.
And then when they don't do the right thing and start indicting these people, then you got to fire them and put some money in that will.
That's what we want.
And even if you can't get it done, they understand it's a rat's nest.
They've had time to cover it all up.
I talked to the hospital to the DOJ.
We still want the effort.
And I understand.
Spend more than 5% of your time on it.
You got a lot to do.
But the messaging has to be correct.
jordan holmes
Right.
alex jones
I mean, it knocks Trump down every time he comes out and says, if you're my supporter and you even care about this, you're an idiot and you're not MAGA.
Five, six-point drop.
dan friesen
So you're not mishearing that.
Alex Jones is telling Trump that obviously the Epstein stuff isn't going to come out, but the media apparatus that supports him can't do their job unless he pretends he's trying.
All Alex needs is for the leader to act like he cares and then he can do the rest as a media surrogate.
He can give him a participation trophy.
jordan holmes
It is hard to imagine giving up the game quite so easily.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I would want to be tortured.
If I was giving up an entire strategy for the team, I would want to be tortured before I gave it up as opposed to just being like, hey, guys, this is what we're doing, right?
dan friesen
And this comes off as like sad begging.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So in Alex's framework, if Trump pretended to care about prosecuting the people who were friends with Epstein, the end result is going to be the same as what he's doing now.
Nothing is going to happen.
The evidence has been destroyed by the evil Dem, so prosecutions wouldn't be successful even if it all came out.
So it's important to understand that Alex's point isn't about the actual issue being discussed, which is the Epstein stuff.
It's really just about Trump being an asshole.
The version of Trump Alex has conditioned the audience to see as the real one would never act this way about the Epstein stuff.
So the real world Trump needs to start acting like that caricature if he's going to expect Alex to be able to help him.
Basically, Alex is asking Trump to be more stateman-like, statesman-like.
Yep.
Be presidential, Trump.
jordan holmes
This is his version, the conspiracy theorist version of Let Them Eat Cake.
They're like, we'll never release Epstein.
Like, it's the same difference.
If you would just say it nicer and not reveal that this is a class issue where you can shit on our faces whenever you feel like it, then maybe we'd be cooler.
dan friesen
We could spin it.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
We could spin it.
God.
So sad.
So as Trump is attacking Marjorie Taylor Greene, Alex is saying, also, you're attacking your followers.
Your points are going down.
And he knows that there's one thing that Trump could do that, man, he can't afford to do.
jordan holmes
Doesn't have it.
dan friesen
Don't turn on Tucker Carlson.
Please, whatever you do.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
Don't be mean to Tucker.
jordan holmes
Right.
alex jones
And then you got Trump's perfect response to the corporate media trying to drive a wedge and ask Trump, oh, are you going to disavow Tucker Carlson?
He interviewed Nick Fointelette.
He's like, no, interview wherever you want.
I get interviewed on there.
So what?
Yeah, that's the answer.
MTGs disagree with me on some things.
Say, well, I see what she's saying.
You know, I'm working on it.
I got a lot of deals I got to make.
I got to get Congress convinced of this stuff, and I can't get the votes for anything I need, but we're doing the best we can.
You know, I love MTG.
Instead, you traitor, you nutjob, you loony, it's not good.
But Tucker and Trump talk all the time.
So thank God he didn't take the bait on this.
Because of the neocons who have almost no supporter viewers, superior all of them are joke.
The billions of dollars pumped into him to force feed with the public totally failed.
The Israeli attempt to take over of the MA movement in the last eight, nine years did not work.
Instead, it's ignited this big obsession with Israel, which part of it's reasonable.
A lot of it's exaggerated.
The point is, is that it's been the worst money Netanyahu and Israel have ever spent.
It's backfired.
unidentified
Wait.
alex jones
And if Levin and all the rest of them can get Trump to attack Tucker, oh my God, if Trump attacks Tucker, 10-point drop.
And we need Trump to succeed.
Don't attack Tucker.
I know Trump knows this.
He's loved across the board.
What board?
The liberal media tried for years to get you to attack me and you didn't do it.
Wisely, good.
Don't, please, for God's sakes.
This is very heartening.
And the type of attitude we need to see from you, Mr. President.
dan friesen
Please don't fight with Tucker.
Please.
alex jones
Wow.
dan friesen
So there's two things that I think about that.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
One is that, like, I think Alex, what he's recognizing is that Tucker is bigger than Alex's space.
Right, right.
If there were actually a reason to fight with Trump, Tucker could do it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He could branch off on his.
I don't think he would ever really need to or want to.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
But he could.
And Alex realizes the danger of that.
jordan holmes
That's the type of, we don't know who's going to win, but at the end of it, everybody's going to be a lot bloodier than they want to be kind of fight.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Back when I was younger, fuck you money.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Tucker's got fuck you money.
jordan holmes
He really does.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He really does.
dan friesen
And I think that if he'd known that Marjorie Taylor Greene was going to quit Congress, he would have the same kind of feeling about like, don't attack Marjorie Taylor Greene.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
She's not playing.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's an issue.
dan friesen
And then the second thing I think is like, what does it matter if Trump takes the bait and attacks Tucker if the two of them talk all the time?
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You would presume that that's a playout.
jordan holmes
Like they would know.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
They would know if they were mad at each other during their conversations with each other.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Better than we would know if they were mad at each other through Facebook.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Or whatever.
dan friesen
Or if Tucker, or if Trump is tweeting something about Tucker or whatever, like maybe it's just WWE shit.
Maybe it's just a fake act to get the neocons off their back or whatever.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Wow.
Tucker is loved across the board is a really interesting statement.
And the reason it's interesting is because if it makes sense to you, then you have a different definition of board than I do.
dan friesen
It's spelled B-O-R-E-D.
jordan holmes
Right?
It is a very different spectrum.
If you're saying across the board is like, you have a very small board.
dan friesen
From the left to the right, everybody.
jordan holmes
See, that seems wrong.
That seems very wrong to me.
dan friesen
Well, people just like that Tucker is a straight shooter.
jordan holmes
I don't know if that's why people like Tucker, period.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
For the people who do like Tucker, let alone the people who don't.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I don't think a lot of people really don't like Tucker strongly.
jordan holmes
You could.
But whatever.
dan friesen
So on a recent episode, we saw Alex interviewing Elijah Schaefer.
Yes.
And that turned into a very strange attack on Indian Americans.
Yes.
And Alex felt very uncomfortable in that setting because it did not feel like he knew that Elijah was going to jump down this road.
Right.
Now, just a couple days later, Alex seems to be leading the charge against Indians.
alex jones
And I've got some news on India, man.
I tell you, India is the most populous country in the world.
I don't hate Indians, but India and business practices are as crooked as a dog's back leg.
And You know, 70% of all the H-1B visas are from India and just one place in India.
And so it's like a, it's not like it's like a mafia.
jordan holmes
So it's not really India that your problem is with or their people.
alex jones
And they're smart, so they come in, they know all the rules and regulations and they milk it all.
jordan holmes
That's just learning.
alex jones
And I'm not saying all the Indians, but I'm saying, I mean, here's an example.
I got videos coming up.
unidentified
Oh, God.
alex jones
And I saw this flying back from doing Tucker a month ago.
And I've noticed over the years of buildup where you see like two or three people in wheelchairs getting on the plane, being pushed in as they go to the head of the line.
And then 10, 20.
And now getting on my planes, there'd be like lines of 30 people in the wheelchairs, and they're like able-bodied men and women.
And a lot of them are young Indians.
I mean, look at these videos where it's like almost all Indians.
And to them, and their culture has been so poor, but they're all so smart.
They look at every system and what's legal.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
alex jones
Well, the chivalry thing is if you're not really handicapped, you don't show up at the airport, get out of your car, you see somebody gets out of their car all healthy.
It's not just Indians doing it, but now it's the majority.
And people just get out of their car or get out of a taxi or Uber.
They just go and they go, okay, they bring over a person.
You sit in a chair.
You go past all the lines.
You get on the plane first.
And it's just like, what is this?
You know, it's like a $500 fine to park in a handicapped parking space.
Well, what should the fine be if you're not handicapped doing this?
And I'm saying that's the mindset, and it's not compatible, folks.
dan friesen
This just, it feels like we've reached drunk grandpa levels of like incoherent bigotry.
alex jones
Yep.
dan friesen
You're just sitting at the dinner table and he's yelling about how Indians want to get in wheelchairs at the airport.
jordan holmes
What the fuck are you talking about?
What are you talking about?
dan friesen
It's very incompatible with our culture because they want to sit in wheelchairs to get on the plane.
jordan holmes
First off, you know you're doing a bad job with your racism.
If most of the people who you would be, who you are being racist towards in this conversation would go like, oh, well, you're not talking about me, obviously, because I'm not from wherever it is that you're talking about.
dan friesen
Sure, right?
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You're blanket talking about several billion people in the world.
alex jones
No.
dan friesen
Because there aren't seven billion Indian Americans.
He's not talking about people who are in India.
jordan holmes
Right, exactly.
That's the point.
What are you talking about?
dan friesen
He's talking.
jordan holmes
You're talking about every first generation immigrant in the United States.
It's the same story.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Every time it's, we're not coming here because shit's going great.
So I'm trying to make shit go great here.
dan friesen
It's the land of opportunity, blah, blah, blah.
jordan holmes
Right?
dan friesen
American dream.
alex jones
That's the whole idea.
dan friesen
So I also think that it's really not cool to just judge who does and doesn't deserve a wheelchair based on what you think they're.
jordan holmes
Oh, do you mean the color of their skin?
dan friesen
Well, no.
You assume that they're able-bodied and everything is fine, but maybe you're wrong.
Maybe you don't.
Maybe they have like a broken ankle and you see them walking and they appear to be fine, but you know, sit down, get on a wheelchair.
Mind your business, man.
jordan holmes
No, I was, we, my wife and I were listening to the, that show that Gareth does with Johnson.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Something or other.
And there was a woman who's, who's had, who's got like stage four cancer, and she always gets on the plane sooner, but she looks like she's totally fine, right?
And so everybody always gives her stink eyes and it's like, ah, she's had like bones removed.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But you can't see it.
So people are stupid.
dan friesen
Well, like the natural like progression that this goes down is Alex throwing someone out of a wheelchair.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
In an airport or something.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
And it's like, you look healthy enough to walk to me.
dan friesen
Yeah.
What the fuck is the point?
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
How is it possible that you can't just be like, oh, well, that person's in a wheelchair?
Good.
Good.
They're getting somewhere in a wheelchair, probably because they need to.
dan friesen
They're Indians exploiting our chivalry.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
Just walk.
dan friesen
So I thought that this was a bizarre and drunk grandfatherly kind of racism.
jordan holmes
This is the season.
alex jones
And I thought, oh, cool.
dan friesen
We're done.
Alex has done his little thing about Indians.
Right.
alex jones
No.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
Descends much further.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
But we project, oh, it's India.
We're devils.
We're America.
They're perfect.
No.
It's Indian culture and some of their groups to bathe in feces.
You want me to show it to you?
I don't want to be mean.
I've showed the rituals where they immerse themselves in feces.
jordan holmes
Why?
unidentified
What?
alex jones
I mean, a lot of people coming out of Mexico and Latin America have never been around a real toilet.
That's why you go in truck stops in nice places.
They have to have it in Spanish saying, put your toilet paper in the toilet.
No, there'll be a pile of anybody.
I guess it's all over the country now, so you've all seen it.
There'll be a pile of watted up toilet paper and feces.
This goes on here, folks.
So I'm just telling you, we might want to say, hey, we have American standards and you need to learn them and you need to follow it if you're going to come here.
And we brought so many people in that we've got to put a halt to this now and then assimilate.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
alex jones
I go to nice restaurants probably once a week or so.
I don't go like super fancy, super high-end or whatever, but I'll go to the nice restaurants, you know, good food.
And you can tell when the economy has problems, it was pretty dead under Biden, came back a little.
People hoped with Trump, but now it's even the ones that are always full aren't so much full now.
And I went to a really nice Chinese food restaurant about a week and a half ago at about eight at night, and it normally lines out the door.
And it was about 20% full, and almost everyone wore fancy clothes, nice, you know, Indians.
unidentified
Almost.
alex jones
And it was, you can always see the control, like an older, 70-year-old guy.
And he'd have the men with him.
And they usually weren't even women.
It was like business teams.
And you could hear him talking.
It was all about, you know, Dell and Microsoft and, you know, Apple and AI.
But I'm sitting there in this restaurant and I'm looking around and I'm like, wow, what's going on in the economy?
And then I went to an Italian restaurant last week.
Oh, God.
And half the people in there were Indians.
Now, it's not just that half the people were Indians because you go to the mall in Austin anywhere.
It's like half the people are more Indians now.
I mean, it's massive.
Airport, you name it around the country.
But there's not black people and white people and Hispanic people in the restaurants eating.
It's Indians because they got the jobs, folks.
dan friesen
It's really shocking to see how much Alex has pivoted into anti-Indian stuff since that little brush with Elijah Schaefer.
jordan holmes
Ridiculous.
dan friesen
While I never say that Alex is a fan of any group other than white people, it always seemed to me like Indian Americans were a low priority for him to hate.
I guess they have risen up considerably based on this episode.
So during the height of the COVID pandemic, there were some human interest stories that went around social media about how some people in India were trying to use traditional medicine to protect themselves from the coronavirus, which included taking a dip in a cow shit bag.
Sure, This wasn't something that all Indian people were doing, and it's based on a traditional belief about the sacredness of the cow, which is a little different picture than what Alex is painting.
Ultimately, if some people in rural areas of India want to try to protect themselves from COVID by using cow shit, I have no idea what harm Alex thinks they're doing.
Half of his revenue comes from sowing distrust about modern medicine and offering alternative solutions.
So it seems like he should be totally fine with that.
The guy who was responsible for Alex's supplement empire growing to what it is now, Dr. Edward Group, did a ton of interviews during the pandemic about how the solution was drinking your own piss.
So I don't know where Alex gets off here.
You can see in that clip how Alex's racism uses a pincer strategy to try to attack his target from both sides.
These Indian Americans are both so primitive and incompatible with the United States society that they don't know how to use toilets and they bathe in shit.
But also, they have all the good jobs and the fancy restaurants Alex goes to are often full of Indian men talking about the economy.
jordan holmes
So crazy.
dan friesen
The goal is to create a two-pronged fear that his audience can feel about Indian Americans, with one fear being based on them being a force of destruction in society and the other fear being based around them being a replacement for white people.
This entire display is just racism.
And it's not even racism that feels on brand for Alex.
This isn't a racism that he's passionate about.
It feels like backwash.
It feels, ugh.
jordan holmes
I mean, this is the economic racism of fucking blowing up Black Wall Street.
Like, that is the quintessential American racism.
You are inherently better than these people.
Here's why.
You are inherently better than these people and are being placed beneath them.
Here's why.
And it's like, that's what drives it.
That's what keeps unions from working.
That's what keeps everything from working.
Those two things.
If a rich person can convince poor people to fuck themselves like that, it's over.
dan friesen
And I think it's very interesting to see this upswing.
It's out of place.
It's just, it's something.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's like, come on, man.
dan friesen
And it goes on.
jordan holmes
Why?
dan friesen
Yeah, we continue.
jordan holmes
We've got enough plates spinning.
dan friesen
Nope, more plates.
alex jones
With all these computer plants and chip plants and stuff, and they're all over Austin.
And I've talked people that work in them, you know, like the security guards, white or black or whatever, but you go in there.
When the Indians get in, they only hire other Indians.
jordan holmes
What are we doing?
alex jones
That's why almost all the tech companies are run by Indians now.
It's just like with the trannies run Spotify.
Over half of them now are trannies.
Big, fat, ugly men with wigs on.
And they don't let you work there or get a job now if you don't show the shooting 100%.
Because they all come from one region in India.
Because even the other regions can't get in on it.
No, they got a toehold 50 years ago buying up the hotels.
Remember, that was the same tribe.
Look it all up.
There's articles on it.
I remember, you know, when I was a kid, I was driving across the country and I'm like, why are all the little hotels, little motels owned by Indians?
Well, that's the business and the gas stations.
And so this one tribe for the last 70 years came in, invested, brought their people, and they're loyal to their tribe.
I'm not saying they're bad.
But you don't get a job at that Best Western or Motel 6 if you're an American that is an Indian.
And that's normal to them.
They're tribal.
dan friesen
So Best Western is a subsidiary of BWH Hotels, founded by a guy from Texas and currently run by a board of mostly white dudes.
Motel 6 is owned by a parent company called OYO Rooms, which is a company that is run by an Indian CEO.
That company just bought the Motel 6 brand in 2024.
So the timeline that Alex's racism is following doesn't quite match it at all.
So this is a shocking display of hate content directed towards trans people for a little bit, but mostly at Indians.
Even for Alex, I think this is low.
You may notice that Alex is saying that it isn't even just people from India.
It's people from one region who are all one tribe.
He doesn't specify what that region or tribe is because it's just something that he skimmed from a Breitbart tweet.
Sure.
He doesn't even have any details about this.
It's all just racist vibes.
alex jones
Great.
dan friesen
I've been banging the drum about how the Iran bombing and the Epstein files debacle have been critically separating elements of Trump's base, probably permanently.
And I'd like to add the immigration issue to that at this point.
Each of these issues are things that a segment of Trump's base cares passionately about from an extremist position.
Trump's bombing of Iran is something that the Nazi faction and the base cannot justify.
The Epstein shit is something that the satanic panic conspiracists cannot justify and also pisses off the Nazis.
The idea of continuing H-1B visas is something that the white nationalist nativist types cannot justify.
Each of these things are examples of Trump taking actions that are entirely out of step with the way that he was sold as a candidate to these extremist factions of the right wing.
Along the way, while they were accruing power, it was very easy for the Trump surrogates to appeal to these extremist factions by pretending that they were going to be all in for their issue.
They gave these groups that belief, and these factions can't be blamed for thinking that Trump was going to be their guy.
That's what all the talk about extremists feeling emboldened after the election was.
Trump had clearly signaled to these people that he was going to follow through and do what they wanted if they supported him.
And now he's doing things they cannot accept.
And it's leading to his base steadily eroding.
Each of these examples represents an issue where the populist leanings of the Trump's audience were exploited.
And now that he's got all the power, he's showing his allegiance to the elite power structure that his fans thought he stood against.
This one, the question about things like H-1B visas, that's going to be the most difficult one for Alex.
Being anti-immigrant is a core issue for InfoWars, and it's pretty hard to imagine anyone listening to this show who isn't pretty extreme in that direction.
The base and the audience want Trump to stop all immigration and deport even legal immigrants to the United States, but he's not going to do that, and he's never going to.
It's not going to happen.
He'll terrorize immigrant communities, and he'll capitalize on the racist inclinations of the base, but Trump isn't going to risk crashing all of his friends' businesses by chasing out all the skilled immigrant labor that they rely on.
And that's the problem.
jordan holmes
And the unskilled immigrant labor that they're relying on.
dan friesen
I think he'd be much more willing to terrorize folks that he would consider unskilled labor.
But this is the problem for Alex.
His audience wants Trump to do that.
He wants them, Trump to chase everyone out.
They want him to prioritize their wants over the wants of his friends, and he's never going to do that.
jordan holmes
It's almost like he's in a different class.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I think on some level, Alex realizes he's weak here, and he's decided to defend Trump's actions no matter what, even though his audience will not accept any kind of compromise on immigration.
Because he can't go anywhere on a policy front without directly condemning Trump's positions, he needs to descend into pure racism like this, and it's gross.
I think this is the only option that he has available to him because if he just turned on the lights and got real with himself, he'd have to be like, well, I'm supposed to be against what Trump's doing.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
I'm supposed to be far more extreme than this.
I'm moderating in a way that is out of step with who I'm supposed to be.
jordan holmes
Yep.
Yeah.
I mean, at a certain point, you can't pretend to be a populist while you're wearing a crown.
You know, like.
dan friesen
And you can't be a populist propagandist influencer if you're supporting the crown.
jordan holmes
It is, it is so much, as long as we are all talking shit, we're in accord because we're all shit talkers.
Yep.
As long as we're all tech and shit.
But when it comes to actually doing stuff, none of us want any of us to do anything.
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
Because we're shit talkers.
We just want us to talk shit.
dan friesen
And I think Alex is in a unique position among all these shit talkers in that he's been in this game for 30 years and a lot of it on the fringes.
He knows these fucking extreme types.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
He spent a lot of his career either hanging out with them, making apologies for them, pretending they're not so severe.
Like, he knows they're not going to have any interest in compromise.
He knows this is futile.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Their one defining factor is willingness to walk away from the negotiating table, even if you're supposedly on the same team.
Yeah, that's what they've got.
That's their one power that you don't have.
dan friesen
Yep.
And I think we're going to see that fractioning off.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I think the people who are those fractioned off groups that I think they're going to be awful.
You're going to see really, really horrible splinters.
jordan holmes
It's going to have to be.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So anyway, this gets worse.
alex jones
Sure.
dan friesen
Alex talks some more about how bad Indian.
Wow.
jordan holmes
Like for real, this long.
dan friesen
Oh, it goes on really long.
jordan holmes
Why?
alex jones
Why is it all from one tiny region?
Because they got the toehole.
They're making the political contributions.
They got it.
And when they get nothing but Indian men working at these things, there's not going to be complaints to corporate.
There's not going to be any political correctness.
And they'll do whatever the corporation needs.
If you know what I mean.
Because it turns out this particular tribe in India has the highest rate of burning their wives to death for gallery killings.
jordan holmes
Good stuff.
alex jones
The cliché is that Indians rape people at a higher rate.
jordan holmes
Is that the cliche?
Who's?
alex jones
You have to pay to be a woman to get a man in a dowry, not the other way around, like it is in Europe.
And so a way to make money is usually your mother will do it.
That's just seen as a customary deal.
And when they've had the wife a few years, gotten the dowry, whatever, they're ready to get another one.
He'll usually have a real wife, like two or three down he wants.
And that's already set up.
But they want to make some money first.
So you get like a coffee can of gasoline.
He'll just take them down the stairs and you just throw gasoline on them and light them on fire.
And there's no prosecution.
Totally legal.
I mean, it's illegal, but you're allowed to.
It's just not come on.
It's a custom.
How liberal and loving.
And all the liberal women love their yoga and their Kama Sutra and their Ying Wang Chow.
I mean, fine.
I think a lot of interesting stuff out of India.
All right, let's go.
jordan holmes
Let's do it.
alex jones
Just fucking people and population-wise.
jordan holmes
Throw the gloves.
alex jones
I'm just saying, I don't have to sit here and bow down to it.
And I said, let's see what Cash Catel does.
It's not that he's Indian that I don't like him.
Okay.
dan friesen
It's almost disrespectful to not throw a swing at him.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
He's trying to get you to fight him.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
Fine.
This is just bullshit.
You know what?
If that's what you want, fine.
Let's just stop talking.
Let's stop using words to do what you need my fist to do, which is beat the shit out of you.
dan friesen
So bride burning is a thing that's happened in India, and it's not as widespread a thing as Alex is claiming, but it is still a thing that is a remnant that happens.
But it's also a crime.
People do get convicted.
Not every case of spousal murder that goes to trial results in conviction there.
But the same can be said of the U.S. justice system.
unidentified
I mean, there's imperfections.
jordan holmes
Anybody, anybody who looks at any part of this world from any other part of this world will go, oh, they're abusing women because every part of this world is always abusing women in some form or fashion.
So there's no win or lose.
dan friesen
No, and I think that that prism is a much more useful way to look at this than be like, these fucking people are all done.
jordan holmes
You know what?
Let's do that.
I'll join your team if you just go with dudes are trash, but then you have to admit you're trash too.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I don't think you're going to attract someone like Alex over to your side with dudes or trash, but also you're not going to get him over to your side with a more nuanced hey, there's a trend towards the exploitation and commodification of women in the world, and maybe we're trying to grow through that.
jordan holmes
Let me tell you something.
I don't want trash on my side.
How about that?
How about that?
I don't need Alex.
dan friesen
He's trash.
jordan holmes
Get away from me.
dan friesen
Knuckle up, buddy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, right.
Come on.
If you're not going to talk about us, at least let me beat the shit out of you.
dan friesen
So there's a lot of horrible stereotypes that someone could bring up about rural Americans.
And you could use anecdotes and data to pretend that you're making a valid point and pushing those stereotypes.
But really, all you're doing is trying to defend your own prejudice.
I know that Alex understands this as it relates to white rural Americans.
And he would never want all white people to be judged by some of the more complicated traditions that linger in those areas and abhorrent crimes that some people commit based on misapplying things that might be part of tradition.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
What I'm getting at here is he understands what he's doing.
He knows what he's doing.
And this is just weaponization of racist shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, it is like, what the fuck?
What was it?
It was the, I think it's like a Rick and Morty episode where they do a three-layer getting somebody to believe in hypocrisy or whatever.
And it's like, of course, you know what it is.
You're the one explaining it about something else.
You know, I don't need you to be like, oh, I'm confused on this racism.
You have explained to me what it's like to be treated like this.
That's your thing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
You have imagined this persecution in every instance of your fucking life.
jordan holmes
And it is, and it's been described in such clear detail as to why it's wrong.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
How do you not turn and look and see?
dan friesen
And I have even been, like, as one, I would say probably Alex, one of his biggest critics.
Sure.
I have been sympathetic to the stereotypes about like southern people being based in a certain form of prejudice.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
I'm sensitive to that.
I understand that.
I don't think that's an invalid point.
No.
So maybe he should grow up a little bit.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
I would accept just a little bit.
I would accept the tiniest amount of this going away.
dan friesen
Well, unfortunately, you're going to get more.
alex jones
But when you have 70% of the visas in the world from one region in one country, that's a mafia, folks.
And I've watched these people.
Not the ones at the gas station or the, that's the lower caste of this group.
They just send the money back to their bosses.
It's all run literally by bosses.
And then I go to these restaurants and I watch these guys.
It's military meetings.
They're in suits, everything else, you know, fancy, you know, $20,000 watches, pulling in, you know, $100,000 Mercedes.
And there's those guys sitting like this.
And this guy's like, they'll go back and forth in English and back into Indian or whatever.
And I just see it everywhere.
I mean, I'm just everywhere I go.
It's like mechanized forces of Indians marching around in charge, taking everything over.
jordan holmes
Mechanized forces.
alex jones
I mean, I know a military takeover when I see one.
dan friesen
Oh, wow.
I thought the Hispanic Central South American was an invading army.
I guess we got another one.
And Hezbollah Sleeper Cells.
We got so many fucking invading armies.
jordan holmes
It's almost like, honestly, there are more invading armies than there are places to invade at this point.
Right?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, where even would you go?
dan friesen
I don't know.
And who would you expect to find?
jordan holmes
Like, what do we, at what point do you have an invading army in like Nebraska where you go, like, we already won?
dan friesen
I would suggest also if there's like this many invading armies active right now, then having a bunch of invasions happening at the same time is shockingly stable.
jordan holmes
It is good.
It is a wild.
dan friesen
Everything's not on fire.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
Hmm.
You would think that that many armies running rampant would at the very least come into conflict with each other.
Sure.
And there would be collateral damage.
dan friesen
Or they'd all be working together.
jordan holmes
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Yeah, we've already invaded.
dan friesen
So I was listening to this.
I'm like, this is going on.
jordan holmes
Too long.
dan friesen
This has taken a while.
jordan holmes
Too long.
dan friesen
And the only thing I could think is, like, man, Elijah's check cleared.
alex jones
Like, it cleared the bank.
dan friesen
It must be a situation where, like, Alex is just doing this on his behalf, or it's a situation where Alex is so fucking lazy that he just got pushed a little bit in that direction.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And now he's like, fuck it.
jordan holmes
He looked at the bank account go up and he was like, you know what?
I do dislike Indians.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I don't, I don't know how this makes any sense.
But yeah, they're taking over.
alex jones
And I go to North Austin.
I go to West Austin.
I know to Central Austin.
I know to downtown Austin.
And man, you walk in to the fancy steakhouse.
And I mean, just a couple years ago, it was everybody in there.
There's a space bar.
But now it's India.
Money.
And then you don't think all those guys getting those big paychecks aren't kicking it back up to the bosses who kick it in politically, just like the Muslims work.
They're tribal.
You get up to 10% in your town, they take over.
Yes, how's that?
Because you're all divided.
They're 10% together.
They rule you.
And they'll say, and Dearborn, if you're a Christian, get out of here.
I've got dozens of clips today of them all over the news saying we're taking over.
You bet your ass we are.
You're weak, you're done, and your women belong to us.
That's how the rest of the world works.
But we've been taught to have no identity, no nothing, and so we're wide open.
We're like a body that doesn't have an immune system.
dan friesen
So the key thing to understand is that when Alex says that we're like a body with no immune system, the we he's talking about are white people, and the immune system he thinks we should have is white identity-based racism.
If Dearborn, Michigan were in fact trying to kick out Christians or ban Christianity, then it would get a very swift and aggressive response from all sides, and that would never fly.
The image that Alex wants to present is that we're all too blinded by our multiculturalism and bowing down to worship minorities that we're unable to see the dangers that are right in front of us.
But that's really just racist fantasies.
The dangers he sees are exaggerated racist cartoons that he's demanding everyone else take seriously.
And we've coddled that shit for far too long.
I assure you that if someone was trying to ban Christianity, I would be on Christianity's side, even though I'm not a Christian.
That having been said, I will not accept someone saying that Muslims existing somewhere is proof that Christianity is being banned.
So this all goes back to a guy in Dearborn named Ted Barham, who went to a city council meeting to complain about a street being honorarily named for a famous journalist from Michigan, Osama Siblani.
Ted said, I feel like having that sign up there is almost like naming a street Hezbollah Street or Hamas Street, to which the mayor called him racist and said that he wasn't welcome in the town and that he would celebrate the day that dude decided to move away.
jordan holmes
Yay.
dan friesen
In the aftermath of this interaction, the video of it went around right-wing media where it was really played up that that guy was a pastor and they pretended that that's why he got the reaction from the mayor as opposed to it being a response to what he said.
unidentified
Nice.
dan friesen
It may not have been an appropriate reaction from the mayor, given you're in office, you're an elected person, maybe that's a fun reaction from a person, but maybe it doesn't suit the office.
I don't know.
But the narrative that's being sold by the right-wing media is complete bullshit.
So Dearborn has become a hotbed for anti-Muslim agitators in the recent weeks because at this point, I think the racists understand that there's a workable strategy that they can use against cities.
If you can cause enough of a problem somewhere and plausibly scapegoat a minority group, there's a decent chance that Trump will send federal forces into that city to keep the peace and terrorize those people.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
There are a lot of Muslim and Arab American folks in Dearborn, and that makes folks that hate Muslims mad.
So they've made it a target.
According to an article in The Guardian, quote, popular conservative influencers like Cam Higbee, Jake Lang, and members of Charlie Kirk's Turning Point USA partook in the 18th of November rally at which they shouted racist abuse, unfurled a banner that read Americans against Islamification and smacked a Quran with a slab of bacon.
They're engaging in wholesale incitement, hoping to spark some kind of violent confrontation where they can play the victim.
It's a coordinated strategy among the right-wing media provocateurs, and we've recently seen how effective it can be with Trump, like at his Antifa roundtable.
To think that these people aren't somewhat aware of a baiting strategy that they can use, and they have an unhinged person in charge who's willing to use state force against whoever, you know, it's just, it's fucked up.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, there are like, okay, we've been doing this whole society thing quite some time, right?
And then we've been doing writing for quite some time too.
And almost since the very start of it, we've had a very clear blueprint for how to organize a mob, get them to murder people, and then get something from it.
Like, that's what we've like, it goes back to the fucking slavery, it goes back to the Crusades, goes back to fucking Zoroaster or whatever it fucking is.
Like, this is how you do it.
How do we not, as a species, have how have we not all gone like, oh, yeah, this is what they're doing?
We've been doing this for too long.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's been so long.
dan friesen
It's exhausting.
jordan holmes
It's been so long.
dan friesen
And the thing that I think sucks so much is like, you know, something like slapping a Quran with a bacon.
jordan holmes
It's hilarious, objectively, in the right context.
dan friesen
No, I don't think it's hilarious, but it's like, that's free speech, I guess.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, like, I don't think the state should stop you from doing that.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But also, as people, you can understand that it's meant just to insult somebody.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's meant just to offend and try and provoke a reaction out of somebody.
So if you were a Muslim who was there, I could not really fault you for punching this person.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
But if you punch that person, that is kind of giving them what they want.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And helps them further a narrative that the Muslims in this town are out of control.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
It's all just this awful rage trap.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
No, I mean, and also if God can't handle a little bacon on his book, you're in trouble.
You don't have a good God.
You got to deal with that.
dan friesen
Leaving that aside, I'm talking more about the impulse to do it.
jordan holmes
I know.
dan friesen
And that's meant to piss someone off.
jordan holmes
It is.
It is.
dan friesen
Fucking hell.
jordan holmes
It's meant to start childish fights.
dan friesen
Anyway, I think a lot of this has to, I think this was spurred on a lot by Alex seeing a meme of Indian guy in a wheelchair at an airport.
Sure.
So he plays that video and then he complains over it.
alex jones
And then they're like, what?
You get a free porter?
You get pushed around with all your stuff and don't have to walk?
That's from a caste system, too.
A lot of these folks are from the lower caste.
So for them, because other places to be pushed around and all this, this is like royal treatment.
unidentified
Oh my God.
alex jones
And there's no one there to tell them.
You poop in the toilet.
Not on the floor.
And you don't want to tell them because that's racist.
Maybe we should all do like people from Latin American farms that don't know what toilets are.
Maybe to be more hospitable, we should start just shitting all over the floor too.
I'm sure just walk into just walk into McDonald's, walk up, and just start dumping right in front of the cash register.
Oh, you'd be arrested, though, because you know better.
These open borders are a suicide pact.
dan friesen
Alex is working himself up into a frenzy where he's complaining that the white man can't shit in public anymore.
You, the white, white, you white guy, you know better.
So you're going to get in trouble if you go down to the store doing shit.
jordan holmes
This is like a child.
This is like a child.
This is what a child would say about another child getting candy.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
dan friesen
Or getting away with something.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, like I got in trouble, but he got away.
It's fucking idiot-brained and just racist.
It's shocking.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know what happened.
I don't know what happened, man, but whining is top of the list in things people do.
Way up there.
This is 2025, and the wine is coming.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And it's not matured wine.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, it's not aged well.
It is straight off a foot and a grape.
It's disgusting.
dan friesen
So JD Vance has come out with an idea.
He's floating around.
jordan holmes
That it's great.
dan friesen
It has to do with only Americans and citizens being able to own land.
alex jones
Great.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
And JD Vance is like, you should have to be a citizen to own a house or land.
Yeah, they got that rule in Mexico in places.
They got that rule in India.
But he knows they're pushing these open visas, and he knows that's not the case.
So it sounds good.
Great.
Let's actually see it.
Oh, they have that rule in India.
They have that rule in Mexico and everywhere else, but we can't because we've got to give everything up.
We've got because we're white devils, folks.
Oh, my God.
We're going to break.
Remember, I need your support.
I'm not funded by the globalists.
I'm funded by you.
I will tell the truth.
dan friesen
So Alex let it slip a little bit there.
I know he likes to pretend that all of his grievances and his anger is about how mistreated the American people or people who are part of the West are, but it's just painfully obvious that he means white people.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
JD Vance's idea about citizens being able to own land and houses in the United States is an interesting suggestion and definitely something that would require large-scale expropriation to put into place.
The government would have to take so much shit from people.
Seems like the kind of thing that Alex of the past would be super against the government doing, but I guess it's fine.
Yeah.
Also, you could go buy a house in another country if you want.
jordan holmes
I mean, also, the idea that this government would take the billions upon billions of dollars of rich people from not America stuff.
Ridiculous.
dan friesen
Well, this is mostly about taking assets from China, like Chinese Americans and businesses and stuff.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
But I even don't think that that would work.
jordan holmes
I mean, ultimately, if anything like this was applied by these people, it would be useful only insofar as they would pick out who they didn't like who had like five things and then kick them out of the country and steal their shit.
dan friesen
It would be large-scale asset forfeiture.
jordan holmes
It wouldn't be like, oh, well, the fucking CEO of Google now doesn't have a job or a place to live.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's not how that's going to go.
dan friesen
And anything that would even be approaching done for the public good, let's say, like seizing assets of billionaires and shit.
Like, let's say the left were to try and do something like that.
Alex would call for everyone to get their guns.
jordan holmes
It would be, they would hire a fake man.
Like, Steven Donziger just like won a court case against Chevron and they kept him at his house for five years or whatever it is.
You know, like if you actually did damage, rich people would fucking murder you.
dan friesen
At least try.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So like, it's just, he just needs to get right with God, ironically.
You know, like, he's just, this makes no sense.
jordan holmes
Somebody needs to slap his Bible with some bacon.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Or just give him a little chin check.
alex jones
I mean, give him a little.
jordan holmes
I, yeah, man.
I don't know.
People.
People are out of control.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
People are wild.
dan friesen
You know what?
I think I remember back when I was a kid.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
At school, people would like, ugh.
They'd like get in your face.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
There'd be a lot of monkey behavior.
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
They'd like, we're going to test you.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
I'm going to see what your reaction to.
jordan holmes
Intimidation.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I think Alex needs to get that more.
jordan holmes
Two for flinching.
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, people need to like just maybe not punch him.
You know, I'm not saying be violent, but act like you're about to.
So he realizes that that's something that can happen.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, there is something to be said about the way that a predator-prey relationship has been kind of created out of people being deferential just of like politeness, you know?
And it's like you can't break a predator-prey relationship unless the prey stops being prey.
And that's hard to do because that requires a lot of people having a lot of conflicts.
dan friesen
Yeah, or it can involve, you know, natural selection.
jordan holmes
Yeah, evolving angels.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
We could do that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I'll grow some fucking antlers, man.
I'll do it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Run towards this dumb fucking asshole.
jordan holmes
Hell yeah.
dan friesen
So on our last episode, we learned about old beef.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Old beef.
And we learned about Alex's feelings about New Rome.
America being the new Rome.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And Dune.
Right.
Unfortunately, this continues on to the next day's episode, which is where we are here.
Right.
And so Alex gets back into his sort of scholarly mode.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Much like he views Dune as having lasted too long, so will this continue.
dan friesen
Yes.
Okay.
And so he gets into how Jewish people are mad at Rome.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And it continues to this day.
jordan holmes
Why not?
alex jones
The entire Old Testament is about God saying, I've chosen you as a priest class as my messengers, and I'm going to hold you to a higher standard.
And if you don't do exactly what you're supposed to, I'm going to put you in this judgment.
That's a big with great power comes great responsibility.
Like Spider-Man.
dan friesen
Just like Spider-Man.
jordan holmes
Just like Spider-Man.
alex jones
And then you have to understand that what, there's all these different Jewish factions and groups, and they are fighting with each other.
So it's not ever fair to say it's one conglomerate.
But there's a close majority.
There we go.
jordan holmes
So there is one conglomerate.
alex jones
Rabbinical groups.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
That Netanyahu definitely is empowered by that all because Titus, the son of the Roman Emperor, in a four-year war, when the zealots, that's where the term zealot comes from, Jews were trying to kick him out of Jerusalem.
And I'm not on the Roman side 2,000 years ago.
I'm not on the, I'm just saying, it's a history book to me.
jordan holmes
A white history book.
alex jones
The Romans had a big problem.
And it took them four years, but they finally conquered Israel, who they'd already been in control of.
And they were in control of everything around there.
And yeah, because they didn't give up, Titus said, if you don't give up, I'm going to burn your temple to the ground and not one stone will be on top of the other.
He didn't even know Jesus has since 70 years before.
Before this generation's gone, 75 years, generation, not one stone will be left on that temple because you didn't follow God's commandments.
And that's the whole Old Testament.
Jesus said, I'm not here to get rid of the Old Testament, but to fulfill it.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
alex jones
And so the original books of the Jews of Abraham is when we don't do what we're told by God, we are judged.
And the Bible explains, and all other nations as well.
But I hold you first in responsibility.
That's the Torah that I've read backwards and forwards.
Oh, my God.
And then I see countless videos.
I've seen these for decades.
You know, I'll be showing these about Texe Marrs 20 years ago.
And I mean, like, Texas are too obsessed with Israel, but he was quite a scholar, pastor, space Teranox professor.
And he would explain all this.
dan friesen
So we've talked about this a bit in the past, but Texe Marrs was an outright anti-Semite.
Yep.
Alex can pretend that he was just a little bit out there or had some problems with Israel, but that's bullshit.
His history is clear.
It's published.
And anyone can see for themselves that this guy who Alex is appealing to in his rambling lecture about Jewish history is a fucking bigot.
I'll just read to you here a little bit from his April 2003 newsletter.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that one was a good one.
dan friesen
Quote, the goal of the Jewish Masonic elite is to establish dictatorial Illuministic communism and to enslave all of mankind under the thumb of a Jewish master race led by the world Messiah who's to come from Jerusalem.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
dan friesen
He goes on to say, quote, the Jews are beset with an unbridled ambition, a consuming desire to acquire global power and establish once and for all their long-delayed Zionist kingdom on planet Earth.
jordan holmes
A little overwritten, I admit.
dan friesen
Yeah, the acquire global power.
What is it?
Consuming desire to acquire.
Come on, man.
jordan holmes
Yeah, come on, buddy.
Edit it up.
Edit it up.
I read a book the other day that had eight hads in one paragraph.
dan friesen
Too much.
Too many.
I find myself in exactly that pickle a lot.
jordan holmes
You got a active voice, my man.
dan friesen
It makes sense that Alex doesn't think that his positions are based on stupid anti-Semitism, and he thinks that he has access to some enlightened truth.
But if he refuses to accept what Texe Marrs was all about, I don't think he can be trusted to know the difference.
Like, I just don't think he's an accurate self-critic.
jordan holmes
I mean, didn't you, this is what, like, this coming up brings me back to something he said earlier where he was trying to reframe how fucking anti-Semitic everybody is by saying that Israel tried to infiltrate the MAGA movement 10 years ago, and because they failed, now we have a problem with Israel.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
As though this was like a, oh, it's only been 10 years.
He's bringing up text fucking Mars.
dan friesen
Yeah, and his whole career has been surrounded by Nazis.
jordan holmes
He's literally, Texe Marrs just said, I hate Jews all the time.
That's why he just had, look, he said more words, obviously.
But all those words, when you boil them down and remove the rhyming ones, you get, I hate Jews.
dan friesen
Yeah, but look, he's a scholar.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
So anyway, that video that Alex did about the new Rome and all that stuff, that went viral.
Alex is excited about that.
So he's going to keep on down that path.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
alex jones
But I did a report last night that's gone viral.
unidentified
It's gone viral.
alex jones
And I noticed Jewish scripts are in there going, yeah, it was actually true.
And then the anti-Jew people are saying, see, we told you, even though most of them didn't even know this, that almost a majority, nobody knows, but it's a large minority, bare minimum, literally say Europe is the new Rome and America is the new Rome.
And so we must be destroyed.
And the communist Chinese will be the instrument of it because they didn't attack the precious second temple.
Meanwhile, you got Christian Zionists giving billions of dollars now in the last 20 years to rebuild the third temple, to do the red heifer.
I mean, my God, do you know the average Protestant literally worships Jews ahead of Jesus?
dan friesen
Does the average Protestant worship Jewish people?
Is that what he's saying?
He's saying that they worship the state of Israel.
He definitely said Jews there.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
But I think he wants to pretend that this point is like a political thing and it's not like he has a problem.
jordan holmes
He has a serious problem.
dan friesen
And that is that he grew up in a situation where he thought Texe Marrs was a legit guy.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because now he's here.
This sucks.
jordan holmes
No good.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
jordan holmes
What is...
Okay.
unidentified
So...
jordan holmes
So.
What is it possible for Israel to do?
This is my question, right?
Okay, I get it.
You guys have a lot of problems.
What is possible for Israel to do for you to be like, oh, shit, I was wrong.
Nothing.
There's no way.
dan friesen
Well, you know, Alex sidesteps that question entirely because his defense is just like, even if they are the most evil people in the world, they have nukes, so nothing's going to change.
jordan holmes
Then fucking shut up.
dan friesen
That sidesteps the entire question of like, is there ever a point at which your criticisms will rise to a point where you have to be more serious about it?
jordan holmes
You will forever move the goalposts because this is about you.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
This is just you, man.
dan friesen
And it's about shit talking and talking, talking shit.
Shit-talking and talking shit.
jordan holmes
Also, also, I have a point of order.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Isn't Europe the old Rome?
dan friesen
Part of it.
jordan holmes
Can't be the new Rome and be Europe.
Rome was in Rome.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Right?
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Rome is in Europe.
So the old Rome is Europe, right?
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
So you can't have the new Rome be also Rome.
dan friesen
But the new Rome includes other white folks.
jordan holmes
So all white folks are from Rome.
dan friesen
If they love the West.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
And by that, I mean, what a weird made-up rule.
It's very simple.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex has gone viral with his report from the night before.
Sure.
And he's getting, he's dipping back into this, but he wants you to know he's not just cherry-picking quotes and little clips of various people to build his argument that most Jewish people believe that the United States and white people are the new Rome.
jordan holmes
You'd have to be.
dan friesen
He's not.
He's cool.
alex jones
And then meanwhile, you have these powerful Jewish groups saying, yeah, when we're done with America, it's going to fall.
And this famous Netanyahu, where he got caught on video, was like, the camera's off, right?
He said a Jewish shot.
He goes, listen, we control America and we're done with them, you know, whatever.
jordan holmes
What a weird thing to put on camera.
alex jones
You're born here.
Like, like, you understand, like, and, but, but, but here's the deal: Netanyahu has always famously said, yeah, America's the new Rome, the capital, the fascia, the Senate.
That's the bundle of sticks.
You saw the U.S. Senate, U.S. Senate Fascia decorations.
That's the Roman symbol.
So, yeah, Greece, Rome, that's what we're based on with the Magna Carta and British common law.
That's what Thomas Jefferson fused together.
So we are the new Rome.
And we are the empire.
And it's an empire backing Israel and all the rest of this.
And Netanyahu then says recently, yeah, you're the new Rome and we'll beat Rome this time.
And then I got the rabbis.
And I mean, it's if I play a few clips and anybody says, oh, these are cherry-picked.
I could play you 10 hours of rabbis.
Top on.
jordan holmes
Top rabbis.
alex jones
I haven't forgotten.
jordan holmes
They're the best at rabbi.
alex jones
Destroying the temple, Titus in 7080, and you will be destroyed and nuked and burned to the ground.
God's going to curse you.
dan friesen
So Alex is doing far worse than just cherry-picking clips or quotes to make his point.
The source that he's basing all of this on this new Rome bullshit is a random asshole that he saw on Twitter named Eric Mutsos.
Eric posted a video full of other clips that he found on social media that were cherry-picked and taken out of context by whoever originally posted them.
And Alex is reporting on Eric's stitched together bullshit.
It would take so much more effort for Alex to cherry-pick quotes to base his show on, which is why he doesn't do it.
He just sees some dumb shit on Twitter and decides that the argument that's being made by the totally not anti-Semitic dude who loves Henry Ford is worth spending multiple days of his show covering.
This is all super pathetic.
But what I find most damning about this is that Alex doesn't even have the balls to be his own bigot anymore.
When he was freaked out about Muslim women shopping at a pool supply shop, I believe he had that experience.
Now he's doing this episode that's just wall-to-wall, like anti-Indian and anti-Semitic content.
And it's just because he interviewed a guy who hates Indian people and saw an anti-Semitic video on Twitter that he thought he could milk.
And I don't fully discount the possibility that this is also sponsored content.
It's always hard to tell with Alex because most of the things that make his show suspicious on that front can be explained by him being lazy and just needing fresh tweets to power the show.
jordan holmes
100%.
dan friesen
So his sort of cynical motivation, there's multiple ways that it could be expressed.
But how much of it is garbage?
jordan holmes
How much of it is just doing him a favor?
Oh, you made something.
You're doing me a solid man.
That way I don't have to work today.
dan friesen
Yeah, the difference between that and someone paying him to base shows to promote their content.
jordan holmes
Identical.
dan friesen
Yeah.
In effect, it's the same.
Yeah.
So I think that Alex, one of his main priorities is telling Israel, stay out of it.
Sure.
I'm coming for the globalists.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Stay out of it.
jordan holmes
So in this situation, I assume Israel, because they have stayed out of it so far, is going to continue staying out of it.
dan friesen
Probably not.
And I don't think Alex is even talking about Israel either.
alex jones
Well, here's a newsflash to the globalists.
All the old power structures are going down.
Anything seen as establishment, anything seen as New World Order's done.
And if Israel wants to try to come up with Netanyahu into this big fight, when we were talking about the WEF and the globalists and the UN and the NGOs, and that's the real power and dismantling it to get our sovereignty back, and you want to swoop in here and call all the political opposition Nazis and make it all about you to grandstand, that's a long-term, really dumb decision.
Not even long-term.
You can see it right now.
Like I said, Napoleon Bonaparte said, never interrupt your enemy when they're making a mistake.
Well, I don't see you as an enemy.
And that's why the people that only talk about Jews all day and have that one knowledge point and are mentally ill have a lot of legitimate concerns about AIPAC and those things and the bad things that's going on.
But you like conjured this mirror twisted form of yourself while you're playing victim all day and accusing people of being Hitler that aren't.
People go, well, I like Tucker that if he's Hitler, I'm Hitler too.
Tucker doesn't like Hitler.
unidentified
Hmm.
alex jones
And threatening journalists and Samarity platform you.
If I wanted to hurt Israel, I would do what Netanyahu and Ben Shapiro and Mark Levin are doing.
unidentified
Hmm.
alex jones
But back to this, because I've known this forever.
I mean, by the time I was a teenager studying history and all the rest of it, I knew that a lot of Jews in general are taught at synagogue that the West is bad because it's an extension of the old Rome.
And Rome crushed Israel in 70 AD with the Roman general Titus and destroyed the Second Temple.
dan friesen
Alex really seems to only be able to come up with Jewish people, often Americans, whenever he's ranting about Israel.
jordan holmes
Strange how that works.
dan friesen
Really needs to memorize some more Christian Zionist leaders' names so he can sprinkle them in sometimes to make this a little bit more defensible.
jordan holmes
It would be nice.
dan friesen
All the avant-garde Nazis that he likes so much, the ones he's calling Israel-obsessed creeps and idiots, they've figured out this very basic trick that somehow still eludes Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Is this really something that Alex has known since he's a child?
Kind of feels like he's just talking about something he's started thinking about recently because he saw Dipschitz video on Twitter.
jordan holmes
And kind of making it up as he goes along.
dan friesen
Yeah, with strong feelings about that.
So Alex has always hated groups like the ADL, and he's spun fanciful conspiracies about them all the time.
And I don't remember this being a part of the story.
They weren't trying to get right-wing radio hosts kicked off stations because they had an old beef with Rome.
It was because they were part of a communist conspiracy.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Like, this wasn't the window dressing that Alex had.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
And here's an interesting thought that I had while I was listening to this.
I think I understand why Alex is mad at these new cool anti-Semites.
Alex grew up in a period of political correctness.
The entire time that he's been on the radio and been a public figure, everyone had to speak in code if they were going to be able to pass their garbage off as political commentary.
So there were a ton of limitations about how far you could push things.
Alex's world was essentially a Nazi stew from early on, and many of his ideological forefathers in the John Birch Society wouldn't have used words like globalist or insiders if they didn't have to.
And so most of Alex's career has been a constant push and pull of him trying to put out thinly veiled bigot content and him getting yelled at by bigots who think he doesn't go far enough.
The very audience your content is meant to serve think that you're a wuss and you don't name the Jews as the real enemy.
You're a sellout.
If you're in Alex's shoes, you could come out and be as racist if you want if only that pesky standard of political correctness didn't exist.
If society didn't immediately want to ruin you and get you kicked off radio stations just for being overtly racist, then you could say whatever you wanted about anyone.
So perhaps unsurprisingly, the focus of so much of Alex's show in the mid-2010s involved the destruction of political correctness and the branding of anyone who wanted to be polite as a snowflake.
And it worked.
They won that battle.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And now there's no public consequence for being a racist, unless you want to accept responsibility and try to become a better person.
Then you can accept some consequences.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
But if you don't, who cares?
jordan holmes
Yeah, you'll be fine.
dan friesen
If you yell racist slurs at children and don't apologize, some people will take you on as a saint and they'll fundraise for you.
But now Alex is in a tough spot.
He's got a 30-year career of doing coded PC globalist type shit under his belt, and he's built up an audience where some of them actually probably think that it's not a code.
If he just drops the code now, he risks alienating a possibly large number of his fans, and he probably won't gain back the hardcore bigots who already hate him.
And plus, if he just goes full David Duke, it's going to be a lot harder to pretend to be friends with Trump, so that's no good.
But at the same time, Alex sees all these cool avant-garde Nazis like Nick and these really cool, explicit racists like Elijah.
And he's like a kid who's grounded, watching the other kids play outside on the street, and he can't join them.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's worked so hard to destroy the political correctness stuff, which is the only reason they get to play outside, and he doesn't even get to enjoy it himself.
He's bound by old rules that don't apply.
And in essence, he's a kid who's grounded himself.
And as time goes on, his show makes less and less sense because he's really jealous of these other kids and all the fun that they're having.
He wants to go play those games too.
So after seeing Elijah, he starts bashing Indians a bunch.
After watching Eric's Twitter video, he starts ranting about Jews and the new Rome.
But what he's doing isn't fun because the role that he's imposed on himself is to be the guy who has to explain why all this super racist stuff isn't actually racist, hoping that his audience will nod along and keep buying pills.
The other kids are playing and trolling and having a great time with their hate, while Alex is just stuck.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
I really get that feeling from him, and it's a bummer.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, I read something.
This person was going through generations and decades and that type of stuff.
And instead of just organizing it by timeline or something, he was going by, okay, well, this person was born between 1957 and 1962 or whatever.
So they were this age in blank, whatever.
So their experience of what life was is completely different from somebody who was born five years later, who at that time was hit by this recession or was hit by some other thing.
Like the idea of somebody being only 10 years apart and having a completely different view of what the world is supposed to be and what a generation was is very much there, right?
And this feels like that.
You came of age at the wrong time for now.
You came of age at the right time for when you came of age.
But these people didn't, they weren't around for that.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's time.
dan friesen
He came of age at the exact right time to exploit like the attention economy, early Twitter, early social media, early internet stuff.
But unfortunately, because of the massive strides that he was able to make, he is not equipped to address the current moment.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
The way that these other folks are.
jordan holmes
They trained their replacements more or less.
They were the guinea pigs upon which every like, oh, well, this is how thin I can veil it, and this is how thin I can't veil it.
Like all of those things were figured out by them finding the barriers.
And now they're gone.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's all they left.
dan friesen
As Alex has worked so hard to move the Overton window, it is now out of reach for him.
He is no longer near it.
jordan holmes
Yep.
You're not welcome.
dan friesen
No.
And I think that there's a resentment that he has.
And I think that it leads to this content just not making sense.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, there aren't many people who haven't gone obsolete over the years.
You know, it's, it's, we all age.
We all die.
That's life.
Yep.
But, you know, I wouldn't want to hang around like this.
unidentified
No.
Yeah.
dan friesen
No, being jealous of bigots and Nazis.
jordan holmes
Being jealous of child bigots and Nazis.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Many of whom will probably try and do a late career pivot.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
They won't even be racist in 10 years.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex is covering Eric Matsus and his video about the new Rome stuff.
And I think he thinks this is journalist.
unidentified
This genius.
alex jones
Netanyahu, the U.S. is the new Rome.
The last time Pohunda visited Jerusalem did Ninwell, he told Serre Pompeo in 2009, representing Roman General Pompeo's concrete Judea in 63 BC.
And then there was an uprising three years later that went on for three, four years, and that ended with the destruction of the temple.
Israel has to win the next war versus Rome, he now says.
And that looks like a new clip.
I don't know if they just clip it together in one clip.
That would be good.
But I have this fella.
Did a good job reporting it.
Eric.
Matos says, let's go ahead and play that clip I played last night.
They'll get the new clips.
eric moutsos
So the second and third video you're about to see is really alarming.
I'm going to show you the first in a second because we know how Benjamin Netanyahu likes to project.
It's called the Revelation of the Method.
dan friesen
Selex doesn't have a ton of work and clips here.
He's just poaching this shit from Eric's video.
And Eric isn't reporting on anything.
He's just compiling a ton of out-of-context shit that he's seen from other dipshits posting on social media.
He didn't go and watch Netanyahu's speeches to see where the clips he's using came from, which is the bare minimum you would expect from someone in his position.
He's just taking other memes that he's seen and jamming them together in order to rationalize, hey.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's okay.
All right.
The board with the red string, right?
You know, all of that stuff.
You got your pictures pinned up.
You tie the string.
You get there.
You do the whole thing, and you people look crazy.
You know, you do the it's always sunny face with Charlie.
But you can't walk up to somebody else's board and do that.
That's bullshit.
Right?
That's what this is.
That's you walking up to somebody else's conspiracy board and being like, I like my red thread over here.
Fuck you.
Make your own board.
dan friesen
Well, maybe I think that you have sort of accidentally described a lot of what Alex does to smaller creators.
jordan holmes
Yeah, make your own fucking board.
This is bullshit.
dan friesen
So Alex plays a bit of this video, and I have a really sad explanation for it afterwards.
eric moutsos
I've been trying to tell people on my channel that America is the modern day Rome.
Over 350 military bases that were just spreading ourselves out, you know, to the deep state.
Anyway, watch this for a second.
benjamin netanyahu
We had a moving visit today to the wall.
We can't resist repeating this, but I said to the secretary that the last time Pompeo visited Jerusalem didn't end that well.
But this is a different time.
Rome and Jerusalem clashed over values with a great tragedy for the Jewish people.
But the new Rome, United States, views itself as a new Jerusalem.
eric moutsos
Now, do you think it's just coincidence that this random person just came up to him and asked him, what are you reading, BB?
We want to know what you're reading now.
benjamin netanyahu
What I'm reading?
unidentified
Yeah.
benjamin netanyahu
It's a book by a historian by the name of Barry Strauss.
unidentified
It's called The Jews Against Rome.
benjamin netanyahu
The Jews Against Rome.
eric moutsos
What made you pick it up?
benjamin netanyahu
Well, we lost that.
I think we have to win the next one.
eric moutsos
Yeah, so that's definitely not a threat, huh?
Definitely not threatening President Trump and the United States of America.
It has nothing to do, I'm sure, with the Epstein stuff, the satanic pedophiles they're trying to cover for, or the genocide that they're doing.
Want to keep funding these fake wars.
Anyway, losing.
Anybody's having a good day today?
I am.
I still am.
alex jones
And Netanyahu, 100% is saying we're at war with America.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Is that I okay.
dan friesen
I don't want to sound mean here, but the problem that we're running up against is just that Eric is dumb and he doesn't have reasoning skills that are needed to accomplish basic literacy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this is bad.
dan friesen
He doesn't know what words and thoughts mean, so he can only try to connect things that sound similar and then act like he's deciphered a great riddle.
We talked about it on the last episode, but the first Netanyahu clip he plays is from when Mike Pompeo went over to Israel after Trump recognized Jerusalem as the capital in his first term.
He's making a joke about Pompeo's name being similar to the Roman general Pompey and expresses a sentiment of connection between the United States and Israel.
He refers to the U.S. as the new Rome, but makes a critical distinction that the conflict that existed between Jerusalem and Rome has been replaced by an agreement about values today between the United States and Israel.
When he's saying that the U.S. is a new Rome in that clip, it's just a reflection of a world superpower status.
He's not saying that the U.S. is somehow metaphysically Rome or that Rome's legacy is continued by us.
It's just that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it would be insane.
dan friesen
In the second clip, Netanyahu was asked what he was reading, and he responded, Jews versus Rome by Barry Strauss.
This is a historical retelling of the period between 63 BCE and 136 CE, which is characterized by Jewish uprisings against Rome and includes the sacking of Jerusalem.
Netanyahu is saying that the Jewish people lost when the Second Temple was destroyed, and that he would like to make sure that they don't lose next time.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
He's not saying that he's preparing for yet another showdown with America, formerly known as Rome.
This is stupid.
That book was published in August 2025.
So that question and answer happened pretty recently.
Whereas the clip with Pompeo, that's from March 2019.
If I'm to understand Eric's argument here, Netanyahu said that he was reading this book recently as a coded threat against Trump, which is totally obvious.
If you misunderstand something he said six years earlier, right?
It's all there.
jordan holmes
I mean, that would be a crazy message, coded or otherwise.
dan friesen
It all makes sense.
Netanyahu sucks, and I have no interest in defending it, but Eric's a fucking idiot.
He doesn't have the curiosity that it takes to track down where the clips he's seeing on social media come from, and he doesn't have the literacy it requires to spark that curiosity in the first place.
He's a self-satisfied dipshit, reinforced by a media ecosystem of other dipshits wallowing in their own shit, and Alex doesn't seem to have the talent to set himself apart from them.
It sucks.
jordan holmes
That's the most damning thing that you've ever said.
dan friesen
Which part?
jordan holmes
He doesn't have the talent to separate himself from that fucker.
That's not good.
dan friesen
He sees that and he's like, I want a peace.
jordan holmes
You're right.
You're totally right.
dan friesen
He said at the end, oh, it's so clear that Netanyahu's at war with America.
jordan holmes
He did.
dan friesen
He's a fucking idiot.
jordan holmes
Right.
So let me, okay.
Right.
So presuming all of this is true, and Netanyahu has been waging a war against the new Rome.
Okay, so now Netanyahu is bringing people on, right?
Can't do this by himself.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Sooner or later, somebody's like, hey, baby, what the fuck are we doing here?
This seems very crazy.
Your objectives seem very strange.
It's almost like you have a very specific plan in mind.
Could you explain it to me?
And then he goes, aha, several thousand years ago, some people I didn't know murdered a bunch of people that really probably are only barely related to us.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
In a region that's kind of like where we are right now.
So I'm going to kill America.
dan friesen
So why are we just talking about this now, Alex?
Like, why the, like, this isn't a new plan.
jordan holmes
He's a brand new.
He just got elected, right?
That's not like Netanyahu's been here in the world stage before.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
It's not like he's got a track record of being on the world stage.
dan friesen
Oh, but that clip of the guy asking what Netanyahu's reading did just happen.
So that's probably why I'll, yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, do you mean recency bias of some sort?
dan friesen
Opportunism.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that does sound right.
dan friesen
But it's embarrassing.
jordan holmes
It is embarrassing.
dan friesen
It implies a level of awareness that Alex has had about how much Israel is the enemy of the West or whatever.
jordan holmes
For so long.
dan friesen
Yeah, that he's just been lying about or something.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
Why have you been like, hey, don't be mad at Israel if they're at war with us?
dan friesen
Because of the temple.
This is fucked up.
And it really undermines his entire career and makes it all a lie if he believes this.
So I would advise him to not stand by this stuff because it really looks bad.
jordan holmes
Nope.
That would be insane.
dan friesen
So look, dude, four power blocks.
jordan holmes
Four power blocks.
dan friesen
That's all that exists in the world.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
That's all that matters.
jordan holmes
Four power blocks, right?
So you got, I'm going to go with, let's go with the West.
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
Right?
How about the South?
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
The North?
dan friesen
Nope.
Nope.
Not Cardinal Directions.
It's ethnicity.
alex jones
Ah, goddammit.
You know what shit we're the new.
We're on the New Atlantis.
The Russians call us the New Atlantis.
The Jews call us that.
You don't even know who you are, folks.
It's like House Harkin and House Atreides feuding.
There's the Chin, the Chinese.
There's the Russians.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
Oh, my God.
alex jones
The Anglo-Saxons.
And there's the Jews.
There's four power groups.
jordan holmes
You're right.
I shouldn't have assumed myself.
alex jones
The thing is, I don't hate the Chinese, the Jews, the Russians, the Anglo-Saxons.
Let's be adults.
Like, we're watching Dune.
Frank Herbert wrote nonfiction books explaining it.
His masterpiece book is a cosmology of how secret societies and real power groups work.
And you have the emperor, who's the British Empire World War II, playing the Harkins, the Nazis, off against the Russians, who are House Atreides.
He wrote articles saying that was kind of his allegory.
Just like Lord of the Rings.
jordan holmes
A little bit.
alex jones
Is an allegory of World War I. Or is it?
And the different power structures.
jordan holmes
Or is it.
alex jones
J.R. El Tolka that was in World War I.
jordan holmes
But is he?
alex jones
As a Christian allegory like C.S. Lewis' books.
So I know all this.
dan friesen
This guy's a fucking reader.
jordan holmes
He knows all of this.
dan friesen
He knows it all.
jordan holmes
He knows it.
dan friesen
So the power blocks in the world are the Anglo-Saxons, the Chinese, the Jews, and the Russians.
I feel like I kind of want to dissect this, but who gives a shit?
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Alex wouldn't defend this if you asked him really basic follow-up questions.
jordan holmes
How could you defend this?
dan friesen
Like, what about the Muslims?
jordan holmes
Like, any number of questions.
dan friesen
You spent half of the show complaining about Indian people.
What about them?
Are they in this power block?
jordan holmes
Do you mean the one-fifth of the world population?
Those people who I was complaining about.
dan friesen
Are they the Chinese to you?
jordan holmes
They're not in the weird how that works.
dan friesen
This shit's so dumb.
But it's obvious that he's making this up as he goes along.
And once again, we see what happens when a pompous dick lacks basic literacy skills.
I mean, it's fucking outstanding.
jordan holmes
That is the power blocks.
The confidence with which to say it is something that you can't teach people.
You can't train people.
Like, we were watching some show.
We were watching Brockmeyer and Joe Buck is on there.
And it's like, Joe Buck has been on TV for almost his whole life.
His dad was on TV.
He's on TV.
This man knows how to be on TV.
Cannot act for shit.
Can't act because acting is hard.
Lying and being confident about it is very hard.
That is unteachable.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's crazy.
Broadcasting and stuff like that.
A lot of that has to do with momentum and fluidity, flexibility going along.
jordan holmes
Singing, mute music.
dan friesen
Acting is hard.
jordan holmes
Acting is hard.
dan friesen
Acting is a different muscle set.
jordan holmes
It is.
It just is.
dan friesen
So while you're complimenting Alex about that, I'm something like complimenting him.
He's singing.
You can't teach it.
jordan holmes
You can't teach that.
That's true.
I wouldn't teach it.
dan friesen
But it's also not like, it's not always going to work.
jordan holmes
No, it is not.
dan friesen
So he starts talking about the old beefs between these four powers.
jordan holmes
Let's hear some old beefs.
dan friesen
And I really want you to reflect as he's talking how confident do you think he is?
Like, how much does he buy his own bullshit while he's talking?
alex jones
And then you've got the ChiComs that are pissed at Europe and America because of shipping opium in to control them in 300 years.
And they openly say we're going to do this to you because you do this to us with the fentanyl.
It's all the same crap.
Have these rabbis saying, yeah, China's got the same beast with Europe and the U.S.
We can't wait till the dragon destroys them.
It's literally revelation.
But these rabbis can't read it.
You are sent into slavery like everybody else when you forsake God.
Because God's in control, right?
So, when you try to blame people 2,000 years in the future, wait.
I mean, even if you blamed Italian Americans who said you wanted to kill all them, what do they even know about this?
Well, these guys are foaming at the mouth.
They're going to kill us.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
No, this is not all Jews.
But the point is, everybody sees this stuff now on the internet.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
So, people you know who New Yet Nyager represents, he represents these guys who have a big heart on not for Russia, not for China.
Because the rabbis say, well, we're not going to get them.
They do think to us.
All because a Roman Emperor and his son destroyed your temple.
I've got to take poison shots.
That's what it's all about.
I got to fit in though.
I got to get my son's penis cut off.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
alex jones
I'm not, I mean, you know, I get it.
We're the new West, we're the new Rome.
But I mean, you know, like, what you think once we're gone, the Chikoms are going to pat you on the head and be nice to you because they didn't blow your temple up 2,000 years ago?
This is cuckoo town.
unidentified
Fuck you.
alex jones
But I got to hand it to the Jews.
At least they keep a lineage of their people in the history.
dan friesen
Holy shit.
unidentified
Ah!
dan friesen
So there's a fair amount of, like, you can hear a bit of hesitation in his voice, almost like there's an uncertainty about, like, where he's going.
Like, it's it made me feel like I was back at an open mic where someone lacked confidence in their own material.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And they only realized it once they had to say it.
jordan holmes
It's tough.
It's tough when you say it out loud.
dan friesen
So that was the first thing.
I was taken aback by that clip.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then the second thing I want to point out is that the globalists are not one of the power blocks from Alex's old beef chart.
And it really feels like he's just saying they're the Jews.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
If he's not saying that, then why is he blaming the Jews for the poison shots?
Why is he saying that trans people existing are a part of the revenge for destroying the second temple?
That's all supposed to be globalist plots, not Jewish plots.
This really doesn't make sense.
And the more he talks, the more clear it is that his conception of the world is one that would be generous to call racist.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex isn't saying this directly, but I'm left to assume that he views people who aren't from one of these four power blocks as less than human.
They don't really count, and they don't get to be considered in terms of old beefs.
jordan holmes
There are zero black people in all of his cosmology.
dan friesen
There's zero people from the Middle East, Africa, South America, and indigenous people from all over just don't count.
Their history is unimportant.
jordan holmes
It doesn't matter.
dan friesen
They don't come from one of the big four houses.
Yeah.
Further, he's blaming the Jews for things that have been very long-standing and clear globalist plots.
If you were listening to this show in 2010, the poison vaccines were definitely not something that had to do with the second temple.
By adopting this framing, Alex is conceding every argument he's ever had with a Nazi who was just begging him to stop saying globalist.
He is giving up.
Whether Alex understands what he's saying or not, that's an open question.
And I'm sure none of this lore will be important once he gets distracted by some other dipshits video on Twitter.
But he should have to own this.
This isn't something that you just like, oh, whoops.
jordan holmes
Yep.
I resent greatly anybody who makes up a stupid plan, gives it to their enemy, and then is like, God, I wish I weren't the fucking subject of such a stupid plan.
Why should I have to suffer for the sins of these people several thousand years ago?
No one's asking to you to.
You're making it up in your own brain.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yep.
And it speaks to the level of gymnastics he has to go through in order to satisfy his own persecution.
I mean, just it's ridiculous.
jordan holmes
How you could possibly wind up making up a completely nonsensical motivation like America is thought of as the new Rome by some folk, so this guy is going to destroy us because of old Rome's problems several thousand years ago.
dan friesen
And it's proven by these two clips that I saw on Twitter.
jordan holmes
And you know what?
I don't think we should have to suffer for the sins of our father.
Like, shut the fuck up.
Yeah.
What are you talking about?
dan friesen
Knuckle up, buddy.
jordan holmes
What are you fucking talking about?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Goddamn.
dan friesen
So, look, there's a war.
Sure.
jordan holmes
Which one?
There feels like a lot of wars going on right now.
dan friesen
Jews versus Alex.
jordan holmes
That's a big one.
alex jones
The Jews.
At least they keep a lineage of their people in the history.
Everything basically in the Bible, they've dug up and found it there.
And so this guy had that guy, and this person begot that person.
It's like, okay, I'll get it.
Most people in America, whether they're black or white, don't know who their great-great-grandparents were.
I'll give it to you.
You definitely keep a note of things.
And I guess in your compendium, I guess I'm guilty for what Titus did.
Oh, okay.
Well, people now know you've declared war.
And I don't think it's going to work out good for you or anybody else in this fight.
So can we just stop this schizophrenic insane asylum behavior?
The problem is with high intelligence comes more men alone.
God these rabbis are completely inbred.
They're putting the stuff out.
They're lunatics.
And so you're getting the real 35,000-foot view.
You're also getting the deep dive here on how this works.
dan friesen
This is toxic shit, even for Alex.
He's yelling at his audience about how the Jews have declared war on the United States over this old beef regarding Titus.
And mysteriously, all the globalist plots are part of their attempt to get revenge.
unidentified
Crazy.
dan friesen
This legitimately does not make sense unless you assume that he's thought the globalists were the Jews all along and he just didn't want to say it because he was afraid of being seen as a bigot.
It's the only way this makes any sense.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Because there's a trap here that Alex has put himself in.
He's laid out a theory of world history that includes four ethnically defined power groups and none of them are the globalists.
If the movements of these power groups are what's defined the events in history, then it seems like the globalists aren't really that important.
And Alex can't say that the globalists are just some new team on the scene that popped up a couple hundred years ago with Adam Weishop and the Illuminati or whatever.
Their plans trace back to the literal devil.
jordan holmes
The devil.
dan friesen
This problem is made worse by the fact that Alex has routinely defined the globalists as a group that's distinct from the Russians and from the Chinese.
Russia is an enemy of the globalists and the Chi Coms are in an uneasy alliance with them.
They're a real relevant power block that's distinct from the Russians and the Chinese and seems to want to kill the Anglo-Saxons with poison shots so that kind of leads you to one fucking conclusion.
jordan holmes
There's really only one.
dan friesen
So maybe the globalists aren't one of these ethnic power blocks, but instead they're a group where members of any block can choose to join.
That would get Alex out of an uncomfortable spot, but he would put him in a new one.
Because if you can just choose to join a group like the globalists who are the villains of all history, then maybe those ethnic power blocks weren't really that important to begin with.
But Alex does think that stuff is super important.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
The whole point of this old beefs rant is that you, the listener, don't know you're a Roman, but the Jews do.
And they want to kill you for sacking the temple.
Whether you're aware of it or not, they're coming for you because of who you are.
These old beefs are relevant.
These four teams are relevant.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
He can't.
jordan holmes
It's insane.
And his ultimate point is you don't have a choice but to be on this team because they're a team.
If they are a team, then you have to be a team because they think you're on the other team regardless.
unidentified
Right?
jordan holmes
So his whole thing of like, this is why it doesn't matter if I believe that racism is real or that races are real.
What matters is they believe races are real.
So naturally, I do believe races are real because they don't exist and I'm me.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's a cheap trick.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And it's fucking garbage.
And I can't stress enough, like, I really don't think there's any way that this makes sense unless it's Alex saying Jews are Globless.
jordan holmes
It has to be like there.
You can't.
The thing about tracing something back to the devil.
Right.
Is that that means that the plan has to be long.
And if the plan is really long, there are going to be some changes.
There's going to be some twists and turns.
But nobody's going to panic every other fucking month because things aren't going well.
This plan is in several thousand year stage.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You're not going to be like, oh, shit, it's November.
We've got the midterms coming up next year.
dan friesen
But the devil didn't count on Alex.
jordan holmes
Right?
dan friesen
Fucking garbage.
jordan holmes
The devil counted on new Rome?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I guess?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
So I think that, you know, I think we're reaching something of an inflection point for Alex.
Sure.
This is content that is.
Right.
Be a racist or don't.
And I don't think he can take it back unless he does.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
So here's just two rabbis.
Let's play them back to back.
I can play you 10 hours of this.
Meanwhile, the Christian Zionists are giving billions to try to get the third temple built.
Their religion is not Jesus.
It's Judaism.
And meanwhile, the rabbis are like, keep sending the money, schmucks, because China's going to nuke you off the face of the earth.
Weird, rabbit.
Because you have a debt to owe.
Weird.
Because you destroyed the temple.
Meanwhile, the whole Old Testament's telling Israel, you don't follow what I say because I've given you the knowledge.
Like having, I saw talk shows.
He's absolutely right.
Dark Waters.
You got an older son and a younger son.
One, you've instructed, you've told about something.
You've forgotten to tell the other.
The younger one goes and does the wrong thing.
He gets in trouble.
But if your older son has been told and trained and does it, what happens?
He gets in 10 times the trouble of the one that doesn't know.
And nobody's not saying you're not the center of history and done amazing things.
I actually respect Jews.
jordan holmes
What are we doing here?
alex jones
I understand it.
Do I know about it?
jordan holmes
What are we doing?
alex jones
I know we've got to figure this out.
That's God's plan.
I don't think if we sent you all to Mars, we'd fix the problems.
I'm just reasonably reaching out to you and saying, you know, the whole world's watching this stuff.
And most don't even understand what they're watching.
I do.
And I'm sorry, I'm not Titus.
I didn't do what Titus did.
It's like reparations.
Most Americans have no ancestor with slaves.
Most Americans that are white ancestors immigrated here after slavery.
How does the white people owe money for reparations?
Well, shoot, the black folks, some of them want reparations for 160, 70 years ago.
You want reparations for something 2,000 years ago.
That's crazy.
dan friesen
If Alex means anything he's saying in that clip, then I have zero qualms of saying that he's an explicit anti-Semite.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
This isn't political.
It has nothing to do with the state of Israel.
This is arguing that the Jewish people have a 2,000-year-old war against the white man that continues to this day and mysteriously involves a bunch of stuff he always used to attribute to the globalists.
If Alex believes this shit, then he's an anti-Semite who built a career on a lie.
If he doesn't believe it, then he's welcome to apologize.
There isn't a third option.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
Also, that story about the disobedient older child, Alex attributes it to a host called Dark Waters.
And this is a guy.
He's got a YouTube channel that's full of a lot of anti-Islam content.
But also, he frequently makes videos about reptilian shapeshifters.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
Well, that's nice.
dan friesen
His channel started out as a place where he would just read scary stories about ghosts and Bigfoot.
And then a year and a half ago or so, it became more political clickbait.
jordan holmes
Isn't it crazy how that happens?
dan friesen
Yeah, it's funny to me that this is a channel Alex watches and would name check on his show.
But the truth is, this episode that we're listening to recorded on November 17th.
And on November 16th, Dark Waters posted a video titled Alex Jones Was Right Again.
So I'm sure Alex just watched that so he could feel smart and validated.
And that's why he knows this guy's name.
jordan holmes
Oh my God.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Oh my God.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I, I mean, I, okay.
So when you use the ears of the world to masturbate, it bums me out.
It just really bums me out.
You know, because this is fucking disgusting.
Not least of which, because it's made up, attributed to like this, this whole fucking racism of like, no, actually, I respect you.
I respect you for the qualities that remind you of me, who I obviously respect.
And because of that, because you are like me, but not me, I am totally okay with killing you.
Is the craziest fucking shit that you could possibly think or say.
And yet somehow this guy does it and then gives a little at the end of it.
Fuck you.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Fuck you.
dan friesen
No, I agree.
Fuck him.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
And the entirety of what he's basing all of this on.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Is Eric Matsus' video.
jordan holmes
Somebody else is bored.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And then there are two clips of rabbis that he plays that we'll get into in a little bit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But that's the entirety of what he's saying.
Jews have declared war on the new Rome over.
Like, it's fucking stupid.
alex jones
Yep.
dan friesen
It's so far beyond the pale of what should be acceptable.
jordan holmes
I mean, period.
dan friesen
So Alex seems a little bit mad in this next clip.
Sure.
Because the Jewish people, they didn't like, they rejected Jewish.
jordan holmes
They're going to keep doing it.
alex jones
And what did Hitler have in common with these Jews?
Obsessed with one thing, Jews.
I'm sorry.
Did you put yourself in the center and things?
I got to start talking about it.
But God almighty, can you focus on something other than yourself all day?
Because when you do that and you say you run everything, though you do run a lot, you say we're going to censor you.
If you complain, we'll censor you more.
Or if you say we censor, we'll censor you.
Literal speeches by Jewish leaders.
We control the censorship.
And if you say we censor, we'll totally destroy you.
And you actually don't actually control everything.
You got a lot and you want it all.
And it's like, do you know what comes with that responsibility?
And you think some perfect Messiah is going to come and it'll work out.
You already got your Messiah and you refused him.
And I, in modern parlance, have studied all this.
Only Christianity builds success and unity for everybody to come under 110.
Yeah.
What you were supposed to do in God's covenant was to produce the Messiah to create the unity, but you rejected the Messiah and are now creating disunity.
jordan holmes
Are we back to Dune?
dan friesen
Yeah, might as well be.
Yeah, this sucks.
I mean, this isn't, this is just, you know, I, I, yeah.
I mean, what response do you have other than like swing?
jordan holmes
I don't even know what, I don't even know where crazy would, like, where words would suffice.
This is too nuts.
dan friesen
Well, and it's just like explicitly anti-Semitic.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's, it's not even, there's no even like ambiguity about it.
There's no, there's not some wiggle room where he can be like, I'm just talking about Netanyahu or whatever.
There's no, there's no area to be like, this is politically about the state of Israel.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
There's nothing.
It is just Jewish people by definition are heretical.
And they failed God by denouncing his Messiah.
Yep.
And then became the globalist, I guess.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you know, I suppose it's not so much that I want things censored as it is if you are saying the words, I hate Jews, I hate Jews, I hate Jews, but you've got a bunch of different words to say around those.
I wish you didn't say those other words.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Just like this is just him saying in many different ways, I personally hate Jews.
And Jews aren't even real.
They're not who they are in real life.
They're this fictional character that I've made up to justify all the weird fears that I have about my own fucking body and sexuality.
dan friesen
Yeah, but all of those weird fears that he's projecting and all of that stuff onto the quote-unquote globalists, his imagined group that he has in his head, the ramifications of that are borne out by actual Jewish people in the world and in America.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
And it's the same thing with the Indian shit that he's doing at the beginning of this and all of his pretty consistent dehumanization of Muslims and trans people.
And like, it's not okay to just be like, hey, you're projecting your fantasies.
That does not get him off the hook.
jordan holmes
It's unreal.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's unreal.
dan friesen
And I think one of the reasons, like, you know, maybe taking this a little bit more, like, you know, there's a point to it more than a lot of his like everyday, I hate fucking Muslims stuff is that this is not in his lane.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
This is abnormal for him.
jordan holmes
This is, I mean, it's not that racism is abnormal.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
This racism is abnormal.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I think that that's notable.
jordan holmes
It is notable.
I'm noting it.
dan friesen
So Alex plays this the first clip of a rabbi.
And he seems really mad.
alex jones
I bet.
Even if you want to kill Edom, let's just say we do deserve it.
Hypothetically, which I don't agree with.
You have the most demonic look on your face of pleasure and hatred.
talking about killing everybody in America.
At least Hitler knew how to hide it and not smirk about it.
jordan holmes
Is that an at least?
alex jones
Do Jews think that guy is going to deliver you?
Or is love and coming together going to do it?
Does this sound like somebody that serves a Messiah?
Or does what Christ wrote sound like the Messiah?
Is what Christ said, obviously in all the research, just politically the answer and the only way out?
Yes.
Is this guy that wants to blow up America the answer and says, thank God we're flooding Europe with Muslims?
They'll destroy the Edom?
unidentified
No.
alex jones
This guy is a deranged lunatic.
And you heard Netanyahu agreeing with him that his enemy is America, the new Rome.
Play the clips.
unidentified
A far-off land is going to come and go after the Western allies.
Westerners are fighting.
And they're going back and forth.
And then this far-off country comes and Edom falls.
Falls.
They lose.
The Western countries lose this war.
In fact, they lost in Vietnam.
No, very much not like that.
Because it's all their armies, everybody.
Everybody, their whole son.
Their sovereignty is going to be gone.
They will no longer be a superpower.
God's going to come and save these China, whoever it is.
And wipe out the Christian countries.
Why?
Because they destroyed the second temple.
Meaning, while you were all rooting for the West this whole time, you forgot about the fact that they have made your debt to pay.
And that is they destroyed the base of Mikna.
dan friesen
So Alex plays this clip, but there's no source.
There's no watermark where this came from or who to track down to figure out the context of what this guy is saying, which is a big problem because there's cuts in the video.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
It's unclear if he's relaying something that he believes to be prophecy or if he's telling other people in the room a belief that other people have, which they're then laughing about.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
There's no way to know what the context of this clip is.
And even assuming the spin Alex is putting on it is correct, there's no indication that this isn't an incredibly fringe guy.
There's no reason to assume that he speaks for a major Jewish position.
I have no idea where Alex even found this video.
I could only find it posted on a YouTube channel that has mostly titles in Arabic and has under 100 views on this video.
alex jones
Wow.
dan friesen
It was posted four months ago, and it's pretty much the only place I could find it.
jordan holmes
Weird, because isn't that the whole Israeli plan to destroy the world that they're talking about or something?
dan friesen
It is strange.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It seems really unlikely that this is where Alex would get it from, but it's edited exactly the same way as the one Alex plays, and it starts at the exact same spot.
jordan holmes
Weird.
dan friesen
So either Alex took it from here or they got it from the same place, but there's no information to go on about who this is or anything.
Right.
I spent way too much time scrolling through Nazi Rumble pages, and I have no better idea where this comes from or anything about it.
And the fact that I couldn't find any more information, it tells me that this guy's views are very mainstream.
And he is a super prestigious rabbi who's very famous and important.
jordan holmes
I mean, I don't know if you can find less of a thing.
That is very difficult to do.
There are so many different people saying so many different things all the time.
dan friesen
And I watched a fair amount of video compilations that Nazis had put together of rabbis saying various things that they didn't like.
So I feel like this would have been in one of those compilations.
jordan holmes
You would have, yeah.
dan friesen
But it wasn't.
I don't know where this came from.
jordan holmes
I love the idea of listening to this broadcast, right?
I'm a Jew.
I'm out here and I'm going like, this is the first I've heard of a lot of this stuff, but if it's true, very concerning.
dan friesen
Quiet.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
And then at the end of it, Alex goes, Don't you want to be like me?
A bastion of love?
Right?
Like, that's what I'm going to get away from all of this is Alex's entire broadcast proves to me the power of love.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
If you convert to my correct vision of how God is, then you one day might be able to get rich selling supplements, whining on air about how white people can't shit in public anymore.
Yeah.
It's an aspirational vision.
jordan holmes
That is fair.
That's a good point.
dan friesen
Fucking piece.
jordan holmes
I hadn't considered that.
dan friesen
Fucking trash.
jordan holmes
We all have to have dreams.
dan friesen
So Alex plays that clip of the rabbi.
Gets mad.
And he has a second clip of rabbi.
All right.
unidentified
And a sham is going to cause that.
And like I told you, it's going to happen in many different ways.
My clear advice to any normal American is get pack your bags and leave.
I've been saying that for 10 years already.
alex jones
Imagine what he says off the record.
Imagine a horrible, demonic, hateful lunatic.
Whether he was a Catholic, a Protestant, a Jew, a Hindu, whoever he was saying that, I'd say, this is a bad person.
I can show you hours of this.
You say, well, that's just fractions.
That's just crazy groups.
And I would say that too.
Decades ago, I've seen these clips.
I've read these things.
And people show me this stuff like Texe Marrs.
I'm like, oh, come on, Tex.
That's not the.
He goes, no, that's the majority.
Come on.
At least the thinkers.
And then I have Netanyahu saying America's New Rome and all these speeches I just showed you.
And then this year saying, I'm reading a book because we were going to beat Rome this time in Rome's America.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
Why do you want to fight me?
dan friesen
He thinks the Jewish, all of the Jewish people want to fight him.
jordan holmes
You made this up!
Don't then have a conversation with them as though they're the what?
dan friesen
Yeah, it's stupid.
jordan holmes
Oh, I can't believe it.
These Jews want to kill all of us.
And it's like, huh, I can't believe that.
Why?
Like, fucking they, what?
God damn it.
dan friesen
I can't believe I was able to uncover this nefarious plot just by watching a stupid guy's video on Twitter.
jordan holmes
You know, it is so much like, I think, as a species, as a group of people, if there's no reasonable thing that you can, if you can't find a motive for something, if you genuinely are like, I don't know why anyone would do this, there's a really, really good chance no one's doing it.
dan friesen
That's one thing.
And then second, I think people who would be listening to this content and they hear this, and they're like, huh, this doesn't, this feels a bit out of sync with what Alex is usually up to.
There's a lot of stuff that's a little off the beaten path.
You might want to start to think about like, what bad stuff does he not want to take responsibility for?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
What kind of stuff is going on in the world that the guys that he promotes are unacceptably a part of?
Yeah.
And I think that tells you all he does.
jordan holmes
It tells you a lot.
dan friesen
So that second clip Alex plays is of a guy named Rabbi Alon Anava, who's a mystical character who's ways outside the mainstream of Judaism.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
I found the two-minute clip this originally comes from, but Alex has to have taken it from somewhere else, probably TikTok, because there's music added underneath it that's not in the original.
But more importantly, Alex is so far past the edge here.
It's embarrassing to see him like, how is he going to go back to normal after this?
Like, how do you do that?
Old beefs.
jordan holmes
I guess.
dan friesen
They've got old beefs.
jordan holmes
No, I guess.
dan friesen
They don't go away tomorrow.
jordan holmes
I guess old beefs only exist for old beefs.
New beefs, we don't have time.
It's like new business, old business.
You know, we've got to settle our old business before we can even begin with new business.
So this beef clearly is going to go away tomorrow.
dan friesen
Hasn't yet.
Weird.
In 2,000 years.
jordan holmes
It's weird.
We got to start some new beefs.
I think that's what I'm really hearing: is that Drake and Kendrick need to get their shit back on.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Kickstart another feud.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, I guess Drake, not Drake anymore.
He doesn't have a shot.
We got to get somebody else to fight with Kendrick.
dan friesen
I would like to propose Taylor Swift.
jordan holmes
Taylor Swift?
Yeah, that would be good stuff.
Man, I bet Kendrick would really call her a pedophile.
dan friesen
He'd have some thoughts, I'm sure.
So I think that this episode, you know, the first half, very disgustingly anti-Indian shit.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
And then the second half, I think that there's no way to slice it that doesn't end up with a result of that is anti-Semitic trash.
This is not about what you pretend your political geopolitical view is.
This is out of sync with the character you've pretended to be all of your career.
And it really, unfortunately, includes instances where Alex is saying that the Jews are doing what the globalist conspiracies were.
That really is damning.
And I think that obviously he would want you to think that he's not talking about Jewish people.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It's not all Jews.
Yes.
And so he does sign off the show with a little bit of a, hey, not all Jews.
Sure.
jordan holmes
Great.
Thanks.
Hey, thanks for catching us up on that one.
alex jones
And it's not the only issue out there, but because Israel through Netanyahu is making its move on us, I'm going to go ahead and take the gloves off.
That's just the way it is.
Here's Netanyahu.
benjamin netanyahu
Barry Strauss.
It's called The Jews Against Rome.
Jews against Rome.
unidentified
What made you pick it up?
benjamin netanyahu
Well, we lost that.
I think we have to win the next world.
alex jones
You lost the last one, you got to win the next one.
And he says in earlier speeches, it's America.
Wow, dude.
Wow.
Okay.
You've declared war.
I accept the challenge.
But only against the people that actually follow your death cult.
Not Jews in general.
All right, I'm out of time.
Please remember today is the last day to get one bottle of Irish C Monster, incredible supernutrient compound and get one bottle free.
That's how we follow this operation.
I'm fucking about you.
dan friesen
Fucking meaningless.
But I do think that Alex is unfortunately giving away a little bit of the game because he's saying the gloves are off.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Now, when gloves are on, what does that do?
That's padding.
That's, you know, bare knuckle fighting is a lot more dangerous because you don't have the gloves on.
Sure.
You know, you get hit with a real fist, does more damage.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And so Alex is saying that throughout his career, he's had a glove on.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
And now the glove is off.
And that glove was pretending globalist.
That was the glove.
alex jones
Yep.
dan friesen
If anything he's saying on this episode means anything, if this isn't just some kind of weird racist outburst that he's having, if this reflects anything that he truly believes, then that's the only conclusion you could come to.
jordan holmes
Yep.
I was thinking about it as he racisted in the verbig of the word.
Political correctness existed, and I think they believed it existed as like handcuffs for them.
You're keeping me from doing what I want to do, right?
Which I think they allowed all of us to kind of put that framework over it.
dan friesen
Well, because it was partially true.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
But the reality is political correctness existed because the both of us have to live in the same space.
And I don't want to have to keep fucking fighting.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Is that what it is?
So instead of put a fucking brown bag on your liquor and then you can be a racist and I can be not a racist and we can just live in the same space.
dan friesen
1 million percent.
jordan holmes
Doing this.
Now I have to fight you.
I have to.
That's what I believe in.
I believe in eventually I have to fight.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know?
dan friesen
1 million percent.
Yeah.
That is a thought that I was having while preparing this episode a bunch that just like the political correctness thing of like, you know, using states' rights instead of slurs and stuff like that.
Yeah, obviously it's a masking strategy that racists use to, you know, mainstream their ideas.
Yeah, yeah.
But it was also a way that we didn't have to punch you.
Yep.
And if you don't realize that the stripping away of the political correctness, one of the cascading effects of that is I will now have to punch you.
jordan holmes
It was yours.
dan friesen
You say states' rights.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it was your state.
dan friesen
I have to assume that you're being racist.
The PC shit is gone.
jordan holmes
D-E-I.
No, no.
You said the N-word.
Now we fight.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Now we fight.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's how it works now.
dan friesen
It's unfortunate.
The protection or the hedge of protection that political correctness provided is gone.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Fuck you.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it is so hard for people who are just so fucking entitled and so unwilling to face even the slightest challenge to getting whatever the fuck they want to understand that I am giving you a shield from me, not the other way around.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yep.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And they have bequeathed that shield.
And I think they don't care because there's overwhelming force in weapons.
Yep.
So anyway, I'm disgusted.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
I'm utterly disgusted by Alex.
I think that this episode is a new low.
He keeps managing somehow.
Yep.
jordan holmes
God damn him.
dan friesen
But, you know, you really do wonder, like, is this something he can keep up?
Or is he just going to get distracted?
jordan holmes
I mean, I don't even know if you.
I don't know how people keep up this level of racism beyond like the people that he's cribbing from, right?
Like, their power to do this racism is their banality.
Like, how bored that guy sounds by, like, hmm, isn't that weird?
He's fighting with, you know, like, that's what they are.
dan friesen
But also, their power is that their brands aren't beholden to that critical correctness history.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And they can just run around free.
jordan holmes
Sure, but also they don't have to be entertaining.
You know?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, Alex has also got to be part of his job is entertainment.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, and he's, you can't be entertaining just being that aggressively racist all that time.
dan friesen
I think you can.
I mean, it takes, it takes some work, but I think that it's also like that guy is primarily making like short TikTok content and stuff.
So it's a little easier than a three-hour show.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
Doesn't really require as much thought.
Yeah.
But that's why Alex makes a little more money, probably.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's good to have some Rasmataz.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Which Alex apparently doesn't.
jordan holmes
Not anymore.
dan friesen
Shit sucks.
jordan holmes
Shit sucks.
dan friesen
So we'll see how much worse this can get.
But until we do, we have a website.
unidentified
Indeed, we do.
jordan holmes
It's KnowledgeFight.com.
dan friesen
Yep.
unidentified
We'll be back.
dan friesen
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clerk.
I am Mysterious Professor.
unidentified
Yeah, and now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your work.
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