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#1097: November 15, 2025

In this installment, Dan and Jordan look on as Alex attempts to cover Trump calling Marjorie Taylor-Greene "Marjorie Taylor-Brown" because she wouldn't stop talking about Epstein, which even Alex has to admit looks a little guilty.

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alex jones
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dan friesen
36:33
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jordan holmes
18:46
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alex jones
I have great respect for knowledge fight.
Knowledge fight.
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys.
Shang, we are the bad guys.
Knowledge and fight.
s matthew liao
Dan and Jordan.
unidentified
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
I need money.
Andy and Pansy.
unidentified
Andy and Pandy.
alex jones
Stop it.
Andy and Pansy.
Andy and Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy and Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding us.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a fishpin color over here today.
jordan holmes
And I love your room.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
Knowledgefight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
alex jones
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
dan friesen
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, worship at the altar of Celine, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed, we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan, quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today, buddy?
dan friesen
My bright spot today, and I realize that I don't remember if I've done this before or just talked about it, but we're fucking doing it this year.
alex jones
Okay.
dan friesen
I got a cheese advent calendar.
Okay.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You want full cheese advent?
dan friesen
I've got a cheese advent calendar and I'm really excited about it.
And I would like to enlist anybody who would like to to make a cheese advent calendar type sting for me to play whenever I discuss the cheeses that are in the advent calendar.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
All right.
I could have just thrown this out to DJ Danarky, but I want there's 24 cheeses here.
Sure.
There's plenty.
jordan holmes
You want like a the zing of the day?
You want one of those?
dan friesen
Anything.
Yeah.
I'll talk about cheese.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Anyway, so if people would like to create those, send them to Jordan at knowledge.
Knowledgefight at gmail.com.
jordan holmes
Listen to them.
You know, here's my problem, and I think this is my problem as maybe a person living in society.
My instinct is to be like, well, how can you do a cheese advent calendar?
There's not 24 cheese calendars.
dan friesen
There's so many cheese calendars.
jordan holmes
There's like five cheeses because there's only that many colors.
dan friesen
So wrong.
So wrong.
So definitely wrong.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Now, here's also the exciting piece of this.
So if people want to put in these theme songs and want to make little stings, we'll all have a great time with it.
Yep.
But also, the 18th and the 19th are live show days.
jordan holmes
That's right.
unidentified
There will be cheese.
jordan holmes
We'll have to eat cheese on stage.
dan friesen
The 18th and the 19th are covered in this 24-day cheese advent calendar.
jordan holmes
You can't leave it at home.
dan friesen
The tension.
jordan holmes
Who knows what it'll be?
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Show day is going to be.
dan friesen
I'm going to give up on this cheese advent calendar.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
Because I'll have a room full of people screaming cheese at me.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you know, my now wife, we scheduled a trip only a few months into our relationship because it's like, hey, well, at least we'll be together until this fucking trip, right?
dan friesen
That'll work.
Sure.
So this is my means of accountability on cheese.
jordan holmes
Yep.
I like it.
dan friesen
And it's always fun to open up those little doors and find something behind it.
jordan holmes
I mean, I don't know why, but an Advent calendar is always surprisingly kind of fun.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So what about you?
What's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
My bright spot is today while we were recording is tea day.
Went and spent the afternoon with my family.
It was lovely.
It was great.
unidentified
They're great.
jordan holmes
It's good times.
We had food.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
We ate it.
There were children there.
dan friesen
Do you really want people to know that you celebrate Thanksgiving?
Do you really want your leftist credibility to be called into question?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I celebrate Columbus Day.
I celebrate it twice a year.
I want to make sure that Columbus is remembered appropriately.
dan friesen
Wait a second.
jordan holmes
Because he discovered America maybe four times.
dan friesen
I've got a bad argument.
jordan holmes
What's that?
dan friesen
If you celebrate Columbus Day twice a year, it kind of waters down the importance of Columbus Day, right?
So two is better than one.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
It's less special.
It makes both of them kind of weaker.
jordan holmes
Well, there's Christopher Columbus, and then really I celebrate Columbo Day.
So it's not the same.
It's a lot better.
In fact, there's one more thing about it: the food is better.
dan friesen
I'm just nodding aggressively.
jordan holmes
I sense it.
It's great.
It's really good.
dan friesen
I'm glad you had a good time with your family.
What's your side dish of choice?
jordan holmes
I'm a mashed potatoes man.
dan friesen
Of course.
Let's go deeper.
What's next?
After mashed potatoes.
jordan holmes
Let's see.
Mashed potatoes.
Then I go to corn.
I'm not an exotic Thanksgiving dish.
I don't like a casserole, my man.
I don't like a casserole.
dan friesen
I think corn's a little basic.
jordan holmes
I'm a little basic.
dan friesen
But I think, you know, stuffing cranberry sauce, all of any of those answers would have been kind of.
Don't do that.
jordan holmes
We don't do that.
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
We're not.
Listen, this is a family of not necessarily what you would describe as good cooks.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
We don't do the.
We have not stuffed anything in a long time.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But, okay.
Okay.
I was just going to say, here's what just happened in my brain.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I was going to say, hey, you don't have to be good cooks.
You can have that cranberry sauce in a can.
jordan holmes
Yes, you can.
dan friesen
And then my brain flashed back to Adam Carolla screaming about cranberry sauce in a can every year at Thanksgiving and about how it's white trash and how all you have to do is get some sugar and put some cranberries in a pan.
You can make your own cranberry sauce.
jordan holmes
Well, there is that.
dan friesen
Then my brain was like, I bet he did that rant this year.
jordan holmes
I bet he did.
dan friesen
I bet he's still doing the cranberry sauce rant.
jordan holmes
That's a bit.
Yeah.
That's his holiday bit.
Brutal.
I bet he doesn't even do it on holidays.
I bet he does it in February.
dan friesen
Yeah, get some cranberry in a can.
jordan holmes
And everybody's like, ah, yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, good times.
Holidays.
jordan holmes
Good times.
dan friesen
Wonderful.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So today we got an episode to go over.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
And we're going to be talking, hey, it's kind of fitting.
We're recording on a holiday.
That's when you should have the day off.
And we're going to cover an episode from a Saturday when Alex should have had a day off.
jordan holmes
Take the fucking day, man.
dan friesen
So it's November 15th, 2024.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
And we'll get to that here in a second.
But first, let's say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So, first, my daughter Skell.
She's been trawling through the back catalog in between working on her BA and curating.
I'm so proud of her, and it's great getting random texts like space leases or Lina Lina Lina Lionel.
Thank you so much, Joanna, Palsy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Blitzkleed bleep bleep blitzklieg und blaukraut bleep.
Come on, man.
You're now at policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you very much.
Next, Reese ceases Reese's pieces to join Big Thief featuring Chief Keith.
Thank you so much, Joanna Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Come on now.
jordan holmes
That one was pretty good.
You did a solid cold read on that one.
dan friesen
Well, the other one really appears to be German, and I don't know what those words mean.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
And I don't want to.
It was a tongue twister.
jordan holmes
It looked like German, and my first thought as I read it was: bleep, blip, bleep, blip, blue, blue, blue, blip, bleep, bleep, blip, bleep.
dan friesen
Yep.
Okay.
There's no spaces in this, so I'm going to give it a shot.
But we have a technocrat in the mix.
So thank you so much to Dan mocking Jordan, mocking Russell, mocking Alex.
Dear God, save me.
I'm crying and I can't breathe.
Thank you so much.
I love you, little loser titty baby from the mail from Tom the Mailman.
Thank you so much, Joan Howard Technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars.
alex jones
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
Daddy Shark.
Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bump.
Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser, little kitty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
That one wasn't so bad.
No.
Here's where my brain's weird.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I forgot that we did an episode that touched on Russell Brand.
So when I saw Russell in that name, the first thing that I thought of was Russell from Survivor.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And I'm like, when did we talk about Russell Hance?
jordan holmes
I don't think we did.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
I don't think we've ever talked about Russell Hans.
dan friesen
Yeah, he sucks.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, that's probably why we haven't talked about him.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, another person who sucks.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Jeffrey Epsey.
jordan holmes
Equally, equally sucks.
That's how crazy this guy sucks.
Russell Hans and Jeffrey Epsey, the only two at that level.
dan friesen
Jeff, Jeff did a lot of bad stuff.
jordan holmes
Yep, sure.
dan friesen
And I don't mean to minimize that.
But Russell Hans burned people's socks on Survivor to make them less comfortable.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's a bad dude.
jordan holmes
That's a real dick move.
unidentified
So anyway, moving on.
dan friesen
We start off the show, and there's more shit coming out, obviously.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
There's more trouble in paradise for Alex.
And he's just like, you know what?
I fucking hate.
I hate people who make deceptive headlines and make deceptive tactics about it.
jordan holmes
Sure.
Don't we all?
alex jones
See the headline, though, oh, Trump with unnamed girl in new emails.
And then they black them out so that you have nothing but innuendo.
That is a tactic of deceivers.
And that's what pisses me off when people do that and cherry-pick things and just leave a vague, esoteric, Gnostic thing out there that people can then project whatever they want onto.
And it's the same.
Now, the Republicans are responding tit for tat, though they say the bill will be passed by next week to release just hundreds of thousands of documents.
There's already 20,000 that they have released.
And reading over it last night in the day, hours of it, it's just all complete crap.
And that's because even the stuff on Democrats isn't very bad, even though 99% of us are Democrats, because the Comeys and all the rest of them have already gone through all this stuff when they controlled the files.
dan friesen
Alex shouldn't be saying that the stuff that was revealed in the emails that have been released so far aren't that bad.
He still talks about how bad the Pizzagate emails are, and making those into a villainous plot requires all kinds of imaginary code languages and made-up details, whereas these emails are pretty fucking direct.
Leave all the rest of it to the side and consider that in 2018, Epstein and Steve Bannon were exchanging emails and texts about making a documentary that was meant to clean up Epstein's public image.
They were discussing possible directors for the project, and Bannon suggested someone who could make a, quote, potential hagiography.
Like a saint or some shit.
That was in 2018.
Trump was already president, and Epstein already, he actually messaged Bannon saying, quote, Trump wakes up in the middle of the night sweating when he hears you and I are friends.
These emails and messages are not a dud, and they paint a very damning picture.
It's just not a picture that Alex can sell to the audience.
His credibility in this stage of his career is wrapped up in Trump.
And by proxy, his mainstream Trump credibility is reliant on his connections with Steve Bannon and Tucker Carlson.
Openly acknowledging that one of these people was good friends with Epstein in 2018 and wanted to help him rehab his public image is very personally threatening for Alex.
To admit that's true would require him to go scorched earth on Bannon, and Alex knows that he can't afford to do that.
Yeah.
So he's just, yeah, no big deal.
Nothing that bad in there.
It's all good.
jordan holmes
Has Bannon taken any serious heat or is everybody just like, this guy's such a psychopath?
We already knew he would do this shit.
dan friesen
Think he's taking some serious heat, but in the way that, like, Bannon is Bannon.
jordan holmes
Yeah, right?
Like, everybody's like, you're a bad guy.
And he's like, yeah, man.
That's where.
Did anything change?
I was a bad guy earlier, too.
dan friesen
No, I don't.
Yeah, I think his status quo is reasonably.
jordan holmes
Yeah, everybody already hates you.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Well, there's something to be said about that.
dan friesen
And there's already been a season where the people who love Trump hated him.
Right.
So, like, he's gotten the hate from all around.
He knows that the public's mind is fickle.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I think he's rich and doesn't give a shit.
jordan holmes
That is, that is the problem with where we are now: is that if you've got enough money, you kind of know that there is another side that you can punch through.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And like ultimately, trying to make an image rehab documentary for Epstein, like that's not illegal.
It just means you're a piece of shit.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
It's not illegal.
jordan holmes
I mean, I guess it's not a lot.
Listen, I like free speech as much as the next guy, but some limits should be turning a horrifying monster into a saint.
Maybe that's actually a thing I'm against.
dan friesen
So it's illegal to hear both sides of a story.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
It 100% is illegal to hear both sides of this story.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
So I think that maybe Bannon's less worried about that because it's like there's nothing legal.
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
Yep.
So Tucker Carlson lately has been doing more monologues on his show.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Doing some, hey, here's what I think.
jordan holmes
Haranguing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Stepping on a soapbox.
dan friesen
Is anti-Semitism bad, actually?
jordan holmes
That's a good question for evil.
dan friesen
So this has gotten some comments from like Mark Levin has been like, look at this guy doing more monologues.
jordan holmes
Look at this Nazi.
dan friesen
So Alex complains about Mark Levin complaining about Tucker Carlson and then ends by demanding to see Mark Levin's dick.
jordan holmes
All right.
alex jones
By the way, I'll just go neocons, just a side point.
I've heard a bunch of them like Shapiro and Mark Levin and others are like, look.
Try to do Levin's voice.
Look.
Did you see?
Now he's addressing his audience and lecturing them up there doing monologues.
He's never done that before.
Now he's not just doing his podcast.
He's doing a nightly show a lot of nights because he knows he's in trouble and his show's falling apart.
Tucker's numbers have never been bigger.
They're 10, 20 times bigger than Fox in the aggregate.
I encouraged Tucker, along with others, years ago, to do more live shows, to do more monologues, because that's what he was famous for at Fox.
When he left Fox years ago, the show came back.
I said, I like the podcast.
I like the news thing, but I said, I'd like to see more monologue.
And he told me in Florida eight months ago, he was going to bring it back.
And then he said, yeah, I'm doing them two or three nights a week, but it takes a lot of preparation.
I just said, do more of it.
You know, skin of the pants there, see your pants.
And so again, he never did monologues before.
Oh, he's just totally famous for that.
It's just all lies.
They take everything he does, just like they do with me, and turn it into some victory for them.
So now addressing people directly is weird.
That's what you do on your radio show, Mark.
Are you a lunatic?
But again, they take everything and turn it into something.
I've been talking for 40-something minutes here.
Teleprompter free.
I can go for 10 hours.
Do I need to be put in a rubber room?
Is it because I'm desperate?
Now you're not just doing a podcast or interviews.
What is this?
What is this weirdness?
You're lecturing us and talking at us.
That's weird.
Well, then does the exact same thing.
I mean, a bunch of them have done this.
It's just, it's weird.
And our numbers are all up.
Their numbers are been in the tank.
That's on record.
Well, then, I got a bigger show than he does.
And I see him in person.
He better watch out.
Wow.
My dick's bigger than yours, Tucker.
Really show us then.
Actually, we want to look at it.
Come on, we want to look at that dick.
jordan holmes
You know what?
Let me ask a question.
And I feel like this is not a question that's been brought up often enough.
Have people ever just like measured their dicks, and then that's the end of it.
You know, like it's just like, hey, man, you got an inch on me?
I guess I'm going to get out of here.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
You know?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Or even metaphorically.
dan friesen
It's always been a conversation about something else.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, so even if you're shown to have a smaller dick or a bigger dick or whatever, whatever those feelings you are having don't go away.
So I think, no, it's.
jordan holmes
Then I feel like we shouldn't even have dick measuring contests, Dan.
Yeah.
I feel like they don't accomplish anything.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, that's going to upset the economy.
jordan holmes
That's probably true.
dan friesen
I think that there's just, I think there's a fun tension in me telling you ahead of time that this is going to get to a dick.
And then as you're listening to it, you're like, how does this get there?
jordan holmes
How does this land?
dan friesen
So it should also be an indication of how kind of dull all of this is that he said, I'm 40 minutes into the show.
jordan holmes
Let's 40 minutes of whining.
dan friesen
Nothing happening.
jordan holmes
We're 40 minutes before I asked you to see a dick.
dan friesen
Let me see that dick, Mark.
Come on.
jordan holmes
Is that maybe a way of measuring how boring or what type of news day are we having?
Is the length of time it takes Alex to get to I Want to See Your Dick?
dan friesen
I think if you ever get there, you're not, it's not good.
jordan holmes
It's not a good day.
dan friesen
It's not a good day.
jordan holmes
No, you're fair.
You're right.
dan friesen
So I pulled this clip, but I'm actually going to skip it because it's very long and I realize that it's actually grosser than it is worth.
But I will discuss what happens because it does take up a long portion of Alex's show.
jordan holmes
I assume he treats the victims of many people with a lot of respect and care and absolute understanding and empathy for what they're going through.
dan friesen
No, he says some horribly offensive things about sexual assault and rape.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds about right.
dan friesen
But he's doing it mostly to attack these podcasters who are the hosts of I've Had It.
It's a podcast.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I've had it.
jordan holmes
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
He's talking about a different fucking podcast?
dan friesen
Well, yeah, because it's hosted by women.
jordan holmes
Motherfucker.
What the fuck?
dan friesen
Yeah, it's weird.
unidentified
We are here.
dan friesen
I know.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
God damn it.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Fuck me.
dan friesen
But they're mean to Trump and their women.
jordan holmes
Well, that's fair.
dan friesen
I think he saw a meme that involved casting them in the part of like the sea hag in Popeye.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
So Alex spends a lot of time talking about them.
And I don't know.
It's a mess and it's really, really disgusting.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's horrifying.
dan friesen
Great.
And also, they're both blonde.
Sure.
And the sea hag is not from Popeye.
jordan holmes
That's a very good point.
dan friesen
Come on, guys.
jordan holmes
This is the real issue that we need to get to the bottom.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Come on.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, look, we all know that misogyny runs rampant throughout this world.
But who knows what color people's hair are?
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And she always wears a scarf.
jordan holmes
Which is like, I get why you don't all instantly know the color, right?
That makes sense.
dan friesen
Anyway, we'll skip ahead from there and we get to another really important thing, and that is Alex complaining about how no one appreciates him.
alex jones
These people are a joke, but because the general public, even though the quasi-awake public, is still illiterate all this, and I don't blame you.
My God, the thousands of hours I've spent on Epstein, I must have spent months and months and months and months of my life on this.
And we already know what it is: a Mossad CIA MI6 operation.
We know Maxwell's dad ran it for the Mossad and MI6.
We know about all the stuff.
My God, I was 30 years ago with Ted Gunners exposing giant industrial CIA child kidnapping rings with snuff films and devil worship.
Oh, nobody wants to talk about that.
Or the Franklin cover-up back when Republicans were involved in this stuff.
Ain't no Donald Trump in that.
With Larry King and the rest of them, I don't mean the Jewish talks and hosts CNN, the Black Larry King.
jordan holmes
Wait, what?
I'm sorry?
What are we doing on all fronts there?
alex jones
You know, I've been the first person to air a BBC documentary that they fought like the devils and never air.
And I heard it in 1996 and 1997.
And you know what I got for it?
Conspiracy of Silence in Final Arlena.
I got death-threated, and then five dudes attacked me in a parking lot and broke my nose.
Telling me to shut up.
Stop talking about it.
See, I get attacked in parking lots for exposing this decades ago.
I know more about this than, and it's not about me.
I'm sick of like seeing comments on my ex-feed.
Why don't you talk about the USS Liberty?
I've talked more about the USS Liberty and interviewed more people than anybody else.
You know why?
Because most of the people are dead now, so nobody can interview them.
See, I'm a real person.
My name's Alex Jones.
dan friesen
He's just like mad that people on Twitter don't put respect on his name.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And like, it's just calm down, man.
Who cares?
You're talking about something that didn't happen 30 years ago.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You didn't get beat up in a parking lot.
And if you did, it was probably because you're an annoying racist.
Probably wasn't because of airing conspiracy of silence.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
And like, I would just say that if Alex, if any of this shit was real, why doesn't he get beat up in parking lots more?
jordan holmes
Man, there are so many parking lots and so many people who want to beat him up.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And remote, like, it's not like he always traveled with a bunch of armed guards.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Like, when we saw him at the Sandy Hook case in Austin, he had like a flank of security, but that wasn't the case five years prior.
Someone could have beat the shit out of him at that chicken restaurant when everyone was just yelling at him.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
There are so many opportunities where he should have had his ass kicked if like anyone really wanted to whip his ass for his truth.
If or whatever.
jordan holmes
It is abundantly clear the lack of violence in the hearts of most men insofar as Alex Jones is still walking the earth without a black eye.
alex jones
Yep.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
A constant black eye.
jordan holmes
Constant black eye.
A black eye on top of a black eye that he has to explain away because he was in two parking lots on the same day.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He really is kind of a good embodiment of like how not violent most people are.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
alex jones
Yep.
dan friesen
So someone who is violent is his hero, Trump.
Yep.
jordan holmes
Very much so.
dan friesen
And he's taking out his violence on Marjorie Taylor Greene.
Great at this point.
jordan holmes
Good stuff.
dan friesen
Because she has come out and said, hey, we should get that Epstein stuff released.
jordan holmes
I like having a president who's really willing to just be a piece of shit.
You know, what are you going to say?
dan friesen
Well, then you got it.
jordan holmes
What are you going to say?
unidentified
What do you want?
jordan holmes
The man is a real piece of shit.
dan friesen
So at this point, Green hasn't retired.
She hasn't said, I'm out.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
But she has been like, hey, we got to release this stuff.
Right.
And then she put out some texts that she had sent Trump And they did not go well.
And that's what pushed her over the edge to be like, you know, we got to fucking do this.
And then Trump attacked her and called her Marjorie Taylor Brown.
Because grass turns brown when it rots.
unidentified
Oh, man.
dan friesen
Andrew says that in a parentheses after he says Marjorie Taylor Brown.
jordan holmes
I wish he were more clever, though.
But those two go hand in hand.
If you're a true piece of shit, you aren't gifted with the ability to do good.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You know?
dan friesen
And in the political space, we didn't have like before 2015, you didn't have someone who's like, little Marco.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This guy's sweaty.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Or whatever.
And like, that was good enough.
jordan holmes
It's cat skills comedy because nobody had stand-up yet.
You know, that's what you got first banana, second banana.
dan friesen
Now, here's the problem.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Ron DeSanctimonius is good.
Everyone shit on that.
jordan holmes
And that's strong disagree.
Strong disagree.
Strong disagree.
dan friesen
Marjorie Taylor Brown is a huge whiff.
jordan holmes
That is the same thing.
dan friesen
Ron DeSanctimonius.
That lives on in my heart.
Anyway, she's been trying to get these files put out, and Trump is attacking her.
And Alex is like, boy.
alex jones
Now, this is a bridge to what we're going to cover when we come back.
Trump making a big mistake, but I know what he's doing.
He does this all the time.
And it's just what Trump does.
And that is a piece of shit at Bathwater.
But MTG is a great lady, good friend of mine.
And 90% of the time she's saying good stuff about Trump.
Just like me.
But on the things she disagrees with, she comes out and criticizes the administration's course correct.
And then the media cherry picks to Congress and says she's attacking you.
She says you're covering up.
She says you're bad.
He then believes that and says she's excommunicata.
She's nuts.
I'm done with her.
I've got a statement here coming up after the break.
But she's absolutely right.
Don't cover it up.
They're going to use the cover-up to then claim you're there.
The only thing to do is release it, even though it hurts a bunch of these big rich people that behind the scenes told you to make a deal with them.
dan friesen
So there's so many background assumptions that are built into how Alex is talking about Trump attacking Marjorie Taylor Green.
One is that Alex is totally fine with the idea of Trump making horrible attacks against a sitting member of Congress from his own party based on something someone else told him about what she said.
In Alex's version, Trump is lashing out at her because someone else misconveyed what MTG was saying, and this led to Trump calling her a traitor.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Just based on this behavior, Trump isn't fit to lead.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, that's the guy I want.
Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
dan friesen
No, that guy sucks.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he does suck.
He's a real piece of shit.
dan friesen
A second here is that Alex knows that he has to downplay the sincerity of MTG's convictions on the issue of exposing child sex traffickers because if she's treated like a sincere person, it reveals how deep Alex and Trump are in terms of being fine with the cover-up, as long as they can argue that the cover-up is better for their team.
Her position on the Epstein Transparency Act is consistent with principle, and that contrast shows that Alex is not.
And that's why he has to frame it in this way of like, she's trying to get Trump to course correct.
It's not a sincerity of belief.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I'm enjoying this.
I think it's turning into the rake effect for me.
I'm starting to enjoy, again, his many different ways of being.
She says that nice things 90% of the time.
Now, 10% of the time, he's a pedophile billionaire who's destroying the world.
But sure.
unidentified
And sometimes in that 10% times, he deserves a little bit of a bad thing.
dan friesen
Sometimes he needs a pushback.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but not that much.
dan friesen
So the third background assumption here is that Alex has to know that the fact that Trump doesn't tweet all kinds of crazy shit about him is an indication that Alex and Infowars are irrelevant.
When MTG has a criticism of Trump, it causes a shitstorm because she has the type of power that means something to Trump.
There are Twitter meltdowns about weird stuff Alex says because all of it doesn't matter.
Everyone who listens to Infowars could turn on Trump tomorrow, and it wouldn't change anything for Trump's relationship with the power that he has access to.
The only way to really understand this is that Alex should see what's going on with MTG, and it should scream at him that he's spineless and compromised on his core issues, and that nothing he does matters in a way, anyway, to the people that he sold out for.
All he could have done to be valuable to these people is die.
And it's kind of too late for that because Charlie Kirk is a way better martyr than Alex ever would have been.
He's got no use to any of these people anymore.
Roger is just going to treat him like shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, I don't think it's easy to recognize when you're in the capture spiral that because it happens for everybody, you know, that like, well, I disagree with what my party's doing now, but, you know, that kind of concept and how that will always lead to a downward spiral of, if I can take you for granted, I don't care about you.
Right?
Like, that's just how it works.
dan friesen
If you will go along with this, then I know that whatever words leading up to this and a little bit past it that you have are they're without teeth.
There's nothing here.
I can just act with impunity.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there's a personality type that is obsessed with getting you.
And then once they have you, fuck off.
Meaningless.
You don't mean anything.
And that's the entire capture spiral.
You know, you get so much of that love bomb at first, and then it's all gone.
dan friesen
Sure, there's some aspect of that.
But then I also think that there is a for Alex, I think it's less of that.
And it's more like he was really useful in 2016, even into, you know, maybe in the 2020 time.
I think during COVID, you know, any port in a storm, people can use, you can use stuff like this.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But because he did all that stuff, he doesn't really have use to Trump anymore.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
He's the guy who did all that stuff.
Yep.
jordan holmes
Best to not be that guy in the present.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because that guy only works in the past.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So here's the thing.
jordan holmes
What's that?
dan friesen
With Green and Trump.
Trump's kind of acting a little bit guilty.
jordan holmes
What?
Can you believe it?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
This is unprecedented.
dan friesen
So Alex even can't really deny that.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
dan friesen
But he's not guilty like that.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
alex jones
She said, listen, you're making a mistake on Epstein.
You need to do something.
And Trump's gone crazy.
So I'm just going to say it.
I have to.
He's acting guilty.
Now, the corporate media will take that out.
He's acting guilty.
Jones says he's acting guilty.
Jones turns right.
No, there's nothing there.
I'm an expert on this.
All the victims say nothing.
All the evidence.
So, so why?
Because they came to him and said, sir, it's the new Russia gate.
They've sprinkled in all the disinfo about you.
And he's like, fine, move on.
jordan holmes
Is that what happened?
alex jones
Not good.
dan friesen
Even if that is what happened, guilty.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Sorry.
jordan holmes
I mean, wild.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I like the idea though that he's like, boy, this behavior smells bad, but not that bad.
unidentified
They're going to.
dan friesen
That's Alex Jones in 2025.
jordan holmes
That's the thing.
The media is going to take this out of context.
Whenever I said he's looking guilty, they're going to be like, oh, Alex says he's looking guilty.
But I was only saying that he was looking guilty.
Now he's looking not guilty.
See, that's how it works.
dan friesen
Come on.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
So we get to an ad, and Alex is doing some sales.
And I kept this.
jordan holmes
Trying to get that green.
dan friesen
Well, seaweed.
alex jones
Yeah.
Oh.
dan friesen
I think she'll be green, too.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But Alex gets a little bit distracted.
alex jones
And this is the fifth flip blade we've had come in, and it's my personal favorite and Scott's got some bear ones that are great too.
Only problem is 600.
And I haven't checked, but I bet they're already sold out the auxilistore.com.
So a lot of supplements and things that sell out at the auctionstore.com, they'll still be over at realshows.com because they hold back inventory there for that site.
And that is a critical place for those of you who want to support the broadcast at realogshows.com.
So whether it's ultramethylene blue or there's the trilogy, the Irish sea monster.
Yeah, there it is.
HD shot.
Look at that.
That is a.
And what I like about it is a black cockatoo.
I know cockatoos are white, but look at it.
It looks like a bird.
Like it's got a little beak right there.
But it also looks like a bird right here.
That way, too.
unidentified
See?
alex jones
I just really like it.
I like it a lot.
I like it.
I look it a lot.
dan friesen
Sold.
I'm going to buy this thing that looks like a bird.
jordan holmes
I feel, okay, if I'm up at 2 a.m. and I'm watching an infomercial and they're doing a whole thing.
And then all of a sudden they're like, we're going to bring on our knives, guy, right?
To sell these knives.
We've only got an hour.
These knives sell out always so fast.
And then the knife guy comes out and he's just like, oh, this one looks like a bird.
But also, but look at it.
It looks like a bird this way, too.
I just really like it.
I just really like this knife.
dan friesen
I think he's talking about seaweed or trilogy.
I'm not sure.
I don't think he's even talking about the knife.
It looks like a bird.
But either way, I'm buying.
So the other thing that I thought was interesting in there is he's saying that you should go to the realalexjones.com as opposed to the alexjonesstore.com.
Right.
I was like, that's what he used to do in terms of the Alex Jones store and InfoWars store.
Right.
And that was because he doesn't own one of them.
Right.
And I think this has to be, I have to believe that he gets a bigger cut from the realaxjones.com than Big Lee gets more from the Alex Jones store.
jordan holmes
Well, there's only one reason to push one one way and the other the other way.
dan friesen
Right, because it's all coming from the same thing.
It's not like one sells out and the other still has stock.
No.
It's all the same shit.
jordan holmes
They don't keep them in different warehouses.
Yeah.
dan friesen
No, it has to just be like a margin thing.
And yeah.
jordan holmes
I can't.
I can't imagine a situation where having multiple businesses with your name and saying that you don't own them is going to go well in a bankruptcy situation.
dan friesen
Yeah, especially one that has real in it.
Yeah, that one.
jordan holmes
That one's real tough.
I mean, but you know, only in a court of law can something like that be meaningless.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So you got to give it up to them.
dan friesen
They know what they're doing.
Your honor, the real Alex Jones store is fake.
jordan holmes
Oh, so you can't call things real now without them being real.
What are you going to do next?
Are you going to take away my right to say fire in a crowded theater?
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex, he thinks that Trump.
There's a solution.
jordan holmes
Sure.
Just go back in time.
dan friesen
Well, maybe.
And the only way you're ever going to get back in time is support Elon Musk.
jordan holmes
That makes sense.
dan friesen
Because he might make a time match.
jordan holmes
That sounds true.
alex jones
Elon Musk came in.
Mark Mitchell and other top pollsters confirm what I saw with the grassroots.
Doge was super popular, doing an amazing job.
There was some vestiges of the Republican Party, blue blood, a corrupt establishment left.
And they were successful at running Elon Musk out.
And you've seen things go downhill since then.
I mean, Elon's ready to spend billions on U.S. elections, local elections, city, county, state, Senate elections.
We need him.
And now Trump's giving him the NASA head he wanted and backed off some and ain't enough.
And it's the same crap.
I get Trump's got to be super confident and just goes with his instincts, and that's good overall 90% of the time, but it's not some of the time.
I've been proven on the Epstein stuff.
dan friesen
So it's interesting because one of Alex's main problems with the U.S. federal government in the past is that the president wasn't really the president.
They were a figurehead, and they were theoretically in charge, but decisions were made by committee.
And all the expert advisors around the president were really the ones guiding the government.
These were the unelected bureaucrats who formed the permanent government or the deep state.
They were unaccountable to the public because they weren't voted into office and they had no ultimate loyalty to any political party or ideal since they knew that even with their side out of power, there's still money to be made somewhere in the government and in Washington.
This is a huge selling point that Alex has used to excuse Trump's shittier behaviors.
Sure, he may be a total asshole and he seems like he's freaking out of people on social media, but at least he's really in charge.
We finally have an actual president, one who doesn't listen to the whispers of all the globalists around him, one who doesn't care what the international community says.
For better or worse, he is the guy.
The buck stops over there.
jordan holmes
The whole idea to cut through all the red tape to do everything.
A strong man, a man who is strong.
dan friesen
But now it seems like Alex is saying that Trump should listen to unelected bureaucracy and billionaires whose money they need to win elections.
jordan holmes
Like a weak man.
dan friesen
It feels like it's a liability for Trump to be his own man and actually want to lead.
He needs to let a committee lead.
It just has to be a different kind of committee.
jordan holmes
And an unelected one.
dan friesen
All of Alex's complaints about the elites and the unelected bureaucracy were never sincere.
He never cared about the actual dynamics that these things imply and uphold, but they were very socially acceptable ways for him to attack the prevailing system without having to make it about what he actually cared about a lot, which is white Christian identity.
He just wants a white Christian identity prioritizing establishment.
He'd be totally fine with red tape and all that shit as long as he felt like white people had a special place in society.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he could practice his weird Christianity without people telling him it's weird.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, you know, I bet here's what I'll say, right?
I bet if we did go back in time and talk to Alex before he was placed in a situation where he had to choose, he would absolutely say, I will die for my beliefs and all of that shit, right?
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
It was only when he was put to the test that it was truly revealed he's a callo piece of shit.
Yes.
Right.
I mean, it's like it is hard to learn from that on a macro scale, but it does feel like there's something about if you haven't gone through that test and come out the other side, you shouldn't be trusted at all, you know?
dan friesen
Yeah, or at least trust should be a slightly conditional thing.
Sure.
You know, like there should be a, we'll see about this.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
But I think that I think that you can easily also take the wrong lesson from this, which is a little bit nihilistic and like think that, oh, everyone will fail that test.
And I don't believe that's true.
jordan holmes
I agree.
dan friesen
I think that looking back on Alex's career, he talked a lot of good stuff in a lot of ways.
Sure.
But he was pretty obviously exactly the type of person who would give up on a lot of the core principles.
unidentified
Absolutely.
dan friesen
If it meant maintaining some of these other things that are more visceral and emotional for him.
jordan holmes
Totally.
No, I mean, I think that's the nihilistic point of view is not that there aren't any people who would pass the test.
It's that none of those people will ever be in positions to validate it.
Maybe that's the thing.
People keep wanting the person who hasn't passed the test, you know?
Because maybe they will give them more.
I don't know.
dan friesen
Yeah, who knows?
Who knows?
I think that Alex is a real sad man.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's definitely true.
dan friesen
Hollow piece of business.
So he talks a bit more about the Marjorie Taylor Greene situation.
I'm sorry, Marjorie Taylor Brown.
Nice.
jordan holmes
He's growing on me.
dan friesen
He says that what Trump is doing is bad.
Great.
alex jones
And so MTG's like, no, I think for all these women abused, we need to bring it out.
I don't think Trump's in there, but I don't know what he's doing.
And then she's now released the text messages that piss Trump off.
She's like, hey, the Clintons are in there, man.
The deep steak.
They did it.
You got to go after them.
And he comes out and says, well, she's gone crazy.
You know, she's crazy, MTG.
And I'm going to support whoever primaries her.
Terrible.
Absolutely terrible.
So this is as big as saying you disavow your supporters that want Epstein investigated.
Really?
jordan holmes
Yes.
alex jones
So not involved with Epstein illegal, but now involved in the cover-up, now flipping out when they double-crossed you, the Democrats.
So now you want them criminally investigated.
Good.
jordan holmes
Good.
alex jones
Now you're on the right track.
See, I told you.
So he's calling Thomas Massey of Kentucky and MTG of Georgia who are good Americans.
real people who don't compromise like Ron Paul.
Trump calls Massey the mini-me of Senator Paul.
dan friesen
That's random.
alex jones
Who overall supports Trump, but hey, we're not a cult.
This is wrong that you're doing here on some issues.
And then Trump has all these people around him.
Oh, yeah, get him, ostracize him, kick him out, primary him.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's just like MAGA's gone crazy with Kash Patel using his girlfriend as the front, his law firm, FBI law firm, suing Kyle Seraph and the FBI whistleblower, who they said was a hero, now they hate him, and suing Elijah Schaefer.
dan friesen
Getting a little distracted here.
But the step that Alex can't make is that Trump is making all of this happen.
He appointed Kosh Patel, a known lunatic, to be the FBI director because he knew that it would cause chaos and make law enforcement targeting the higher-class criminals a joke.
He could fire him at any point if Kosh's official or personal issues become a problem for Trump, and he hasn't yet.
And there aren't people forcing Trump to threaten to support primary challenges against Massey and MTG.
He's doing that because that's how he acts.
He threatens enemies, and Massey and Green have made themselves his enemy by not just dropping the Epstein shit.
The only refuge Alex has left to justify any of the horrible stuff Trump is doing is to deflect and pretend that it's someone else's fault.
He's just calling MTG a traitor because someone else told him a warped version of what she said.
He's just threatening to help primary the Republicans who made the Epstein Transparency Act happen because other people are telling him to.
Alex knows that the only correct position is to burn Trump and get off this sinking ship, but for whatever reason, he can't do that.
So he's trying to create the impression that he's being critical of Trump by leveling very shallow criticisms against him, blaming other people for Trump's actions, and then saying that people shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
This is a genre of criticism that is actually support in disguise.
It's deflectionary criticism that is meant to make you forget why you're mad.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's essentially the idea of controlled opposition within that kind of criticism.
It's like, oh, see, look, we can disagree.
Now, admittedly, at the end of the day, my point is I will do and say anything it takes to keep this man in power.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
And the only way that I can give the appearance of like sort of peaceful disagreement is by making an entirely different point than has anything to do with what we're actually talking about.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
We're talking about Trump fucking blowing up Marjorie Taylor Green because she wouldn't stop it with the Epstein stuff.
jordan holmes
I mean, here's what boggles my mind, because it makes me think that people can't think, right?
It feels like a lot of people are like, ah, now that he's president, he'll change his behavior when it's like, why?
His behavior made him the president of the United States.
That suggests that it's usually pretty useful as a tool if it makes you the president of the United States.
So why in God's name would I do something different like you?
Not the president of the United States.
dan friesen
Yeah, loser.
jordan holmes
Right?
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, how does that not make sense to people?
Of course he's going to burn you.
He's good at that.
dan friesen
Right.
And it's a strategy that's effective and he's used his whole life.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And Alex even understands this.
I mean, listen to him describe his tactics.
alex jones
And now doing this to MTG.
And I know Trump's tactics.
He'll be mean to somebody for a while and then they course correct.
He's nice to him.
She ain't going to course correct Trump.
She doesn't want to be a darling on Bill Maher in the view.
What she won on Bill Maher in the view.
She said, I love Trump.
Overall, he's great.
I just want him to do better on these policies.
I'm trying to help him.
You call her nutty.
You call her crazy.
You do all that.
No.
No, what you're doing is destructive.
What you're doing is wrong.
And I'll defend you all day when you're right, just like I just did for two hours.
But I need you to succeed.
Big guy.
And so you're going to get no apologies from me.
If you don't like what Massey's doing or she's doing some things, just leave it alone.
dan friesen
Just shut up.
Don't be in the, like, it's just the cover-up thing.
Don't shut up.
But what Alex is describing about Trump's tactics is just bullying.
Yeah.
And he's correctly assessing that pretty much everyone in his political movement is vulnerable to being bullied, which is why this has worked.
But MTG is not.
Dweebs like Ted Cruz and Mike Johnson, they're the kind of figures who you can give them a good smack when they get out of line, and they'll be right back to calling you sir.
alex jones
You bet.
dan friesen
But it is clear that Marjorie Taylor Greene is not in for that right now.
She may be around other issues, but this one, it's not going to happen.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, the thing about it is at the end of the day, these people are going to fall in line.
So if Marjorie Taylor shitface falls out of line, who fucking cares?
Somebody who is going to fall in line will just take her place.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
And it doesn't matter, right?
dan friesen
Well, you know, yeah, I guess someone who will go along will come along.
Yeah.
Or a Democrat could win her seat.
Sure.
Which seems unlikely.
Probably.
But like, you know, whatever is going to happen is going to happen.
And that's why I think that like her decision to not allow herself to be bullied is good for her brand, her personal brand.
It's the right decision to make.
Sure.
Like in terms of all of this.
There's no way you're going to fight back and like unseat the entire bully worshiping side of the government.
jordan holmes
Well, and that's the only way to negotiate herself to a higher position is to prove that unlike these other guys, she's willing to step away from the table.
Because again, the other people at the end of the day have no negotiating position.
You're going to fall in line.
dan friesen
It's like back in the day, Cody Rhodes, son of Dusty Rhodes, was working at WWE.
He was made to be Stardust, a crazy space character.
And he said, nah, I'm out of here.
He left the company, made a name for himself on the indies.
Yep.
unidentified
And then his power grew.
jordan holmes
Now you've got bargaining.
dan friesen
Exactly.
Marjorie Taylor Greene needs to become Stardust.
jordan holmes
I agree with that.
Yes.
Because then she will definitely not be brown.
dan friesen
I'd like to see her do a match with Dustin Rhodes.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I'd like to see her.
jordan holmes
She's wiry, though.
She looks like she doesn't have much, but she's got long limbs.
She's got a long reach, and it feels like she's got some forearm muscles, you know?
I bet she could do some damage.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Her ground game is probably shit.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, look.
unidentified
Do you think she's a high flyer?
dan friesen
She's going to do a hurricane rock.
jordan holmes
I think she's a top rope lady.
I think that's.
dan friesen
Shooting Star Press.
Absolutely.
So, Alex, like, I think that there is a desire to be on Marjorie Taylor Greene's side.
Sure.
But Alex is really too afraid.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
He can't really make it work.
And he makes a big mistake.
And that is he starts reading the texts.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
alex jones
So she put up these text messages and said, this is when he really got pissed.
Check the flight logs of Epstein's playing, Bill Clinton on there like 26 times.
Hillary II, for many of us, at least the Epstein files has always been for the women who are victims.
She says same thing on Aaron of Jeffrey Epstein, but also because we believe that Democrat bad guys like the Clintons will involve with him.
dan friesen
What happened there sounds a lot like sketchier than it is.
He just tripped up on the word entangled because it was split between two lines in the text message.
And so he just got confused.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
alex jones
Epstein was a spider that wove the web of the deep state.
Lean into it.
In every single interview I have done, I have defended President Trump.
I've said over and over again, the women say he did nothing wrong, and their attorney says he's the only one who helped.
And the Democrats had four years to release the files, but did nothing.
Stop ignoring the women.
Many of them literally voted for Trump because, and to say so publicly.
Yeah.
Like, why would you do this and hurt yourself and the country?
Why would you do something like this?
It's just terrible, Trump.
Lightweight Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene, green grass turns brown when it is to rot, betrayed the entire Republican Party when she turned left, performed poorly on the pathetic view, and became the rhino that we all know she's always was.
But not Lindsey Graham.
Just another fake politician.
Why do they have JD Vance in the new South Park having sex with Trump?
He's like a baby too.
It's like pedophilic.
Because they're scared of Vance.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
Why didn't South Park do one with Trump and Lindsey Graham?
Instead of Satan getting pregnant from Trump, Lindsey Graham is going to have the anti-crush with Trump.
jordan holmes
That's a good note.
alex jones
Oh, see, South Park doesn't want to attack Lindsey Graham.
dan friesen
So as Alex is cold reading these texts and Trump's response, he's kind of realizing on air that this is way worse than he thought.
He got a basic storyline in place that he felt that he could sell based on general vibes, but he forgot to check the primary sources before getting on air.
jordan holmes
Forgot is a very generous term.
dan friesen
No, because I think he sounds a little surprised.
There really isn't a way to see MTG's actions and Trump's response and not think, wow, that's a strange response for an innocent person to have.
If Trump's not hiding something really bad, his actions seem pretty weird.
Alex made a mistake by reading this stuff.
And in the moment, he tries to save the ship by complaining about Lindsey Graham and South Park.
I think that Lindsey Graham isn't all that relevant right now, just big picture.
So a broad satirical comedy show doesn't really have a place for him in the story.
JD Vance isn't really a baby on the show.
He's very clearly tattooed from Fantasy Island.
And some of the baby imagery that Alex is alluding to is because he's really short and Trump wears a diaper in their love story.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right, gotcha.
dan friesen
Either way, what's happening on Alex's show right there is that he's realized that the information he's presented requires him to have a particular stance and that he cannot have that stance.
The stance he needs to have is MTG is just and righteous as a voice fighting against the sex traffickers in the globalist cabal, and Trump is clearly attacking her for pursuing that, which can only mean that Trump is on the side of the sex traffickers in the cabal.
Alex cannot have this position, so he chooses a distraction path.
Trump called MTG a rhino, so he riffs on Lindsey Graham being a rhino, not Marjorie Taylor Green.
This is a horrible distraction path because it reminds people that Trump is currently being very nice to Lindsey Graham and not calling him a rhino, whereas he is attacking MTG and calling her that.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Alex instinctually understands that this path goes in a bad direction and makes Trump look worse.
So he starts rambling about South Park and how they're not making fun of Lindsey Graham because the globalists aren't afraid of him the same way they are of Vance.
And so he continues on this riff, hoping to distract you from where it started.
alex jones
Oh, see, South Park doesn't want to attack Lindsey Graham.
President Trump, have you impregnated Lindsey Graham with the Antichrist?
President Trump, have you been with Lindsey Graham in the Lincoln bedroom?
Is he like Rosemary's baby chest dating the Antichrist right now?
Inquiring minds want to know, President Trump, are you secretly in a relationship with Lindsey Graham?
That's a joke, folks.
jordan holmes
Fuck off.
alex jones
Corporate media will take it and run with it.
jordan holmes
That's fuck you.
alex jones
My point is: politically, Trump is in bed with a goblin.
My famous rant: pull up Alex Jones' rant in bed with a goblin.
They made music videos out of it.
Pull up Alex Jones' goblin music video.
And I explained as a Mordor analogy: we don't expect Trump going into Mordor to not get some goblin blood and slop and vomit on him while he's cutting him up.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
We don't want to catch him kissing a goblin or catch him in bed with a goblin.
And in the case of Lindsey Graham, we have caught President Trump politically in bed with a goblin.
And as bad as it is, it may be Trump that's pregnant with the Antichrist, sired by Lindsey Graham.
In Trump's colon, right now, may be growing the Antichrist.
A combination of Trump and Lindsey Graham and the neocons.
In fact, this is a polyamory.
dan friesen
So just to be clear to anybody who's not watching the current season of South Park, a large part of the plot is that Donald Trump is dating Satan and he has impregnated Satan.
He's going to give birth to the Antichrist.
And JD Vance is trying to get an abortion to happen to stop the Antichrist from being born.
And JD Vance and Trump fucked.
jordan holmes
Right.
We're going with a new kind of ironic, sincere obviousness that is maybe not going to work very well.
dan friesen
Sure, but I'm just saying, like, if you hear this stuff and you haven't watched those episodes, that makes no sense.
What Alex is saying makes no sense.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
The idea of him having the Antichrist's baby in his colon and all that.
jordan holmes
That is fair.
dan friesen
So keep in mind, this whole thing, this conversation, it started with Alex reading texts that Marjorie Taylor Greene sent to Trump and the beginning of Trump's response to her.
The topic that's on the table is Trump calling Marjorie Taylor Greene a traitor because she wouldn't leave the Epstein stuff alone.
And because Alex has realized that this is an unspinnable situation, he's decided to delve into a completely unrelated gripe about Lindsey Graham, full of distractions, like people making songs about his famous goblin rant.
Through this diversion, Alex feels like he's come to a conclusion that seems like it's criticizing Trump.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
He's been caught in bed with a goblin in the form of Lindsey Graham, which is supposed to be the line that Alex can't accept him crossing.
But this is why it's important with a bullshit artist like Alex to keep track of what he's saying.
He's finding this negative thing to say about Trump because it's really a negative thing about somebody else.
It's an attack on Graham, and Trump's only crime is associating with him.
Trump can correct this by being mean to Lindsey Graham.
And then Alex's audience should be fully placated.
jordan holmes
Done and done.
dan friesen
It's meaningless criticism.
Conversely, the thing Alex is trying to distract from is that he accidentally made it way too clear on air that Trump is acting like someone personally invested in covering up the Epstein stuff.
He's acting guilty and not in the way Alex wants to pretend.
So even if he has to do this very funny riff about Trump impregnating Lindsey Graham, that's preferable to the audience remembering what topic we're actually discussing.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because it started really bad and entered unsavable territory.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is all distraction and deflection.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, I get it.
Because, I mean, to a certain extent, I think a lot of people really, really want distraction from this kind of thing because it's impossible not to look at the government as it stands, filled with both parties protecting Epstein's friends.
You know, and not be like, well, if powerful people on all party sides, on in every aspect of government, are like, we don't want everybody to know what we've done, that's pretty disillusioning as far as who should be in government.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yep.
I don't know what to say, but yep.
unidentified
Yep.
alex jones
Yep.
jordan holmes
What you going to do?
dan friesen
What I am going to do is I am going to let Alex help us understand.
unidentified
Gotcha.
dan friesen
That's what I mean.
jordan holmes
That would be nice.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Let's see.
Let's see where he goes.
alex jones
My point is politically, Trump is doing what the neocons are doing, going after his own party for being true and trying to keep on straight and narrow.
And that's wrong.
We take you now live to the year 2016.
As the president-elect Trump is about to take office, we said we don't expect you to not get dirty, but just don't kiss goblins and don't get in bed with a goblin.
unidentified
I don't want to see him kissing goblins.
Well, you know, this is a serious criticism.
dan friesen
Goblins, goblins.
Yep.
Nice.
jordan holmes
I would like it.
I would like it.
Because here's what I think.
I think that would open up goblin relations in a way that we haven't seen since Nixon in China.
You know, like goblins aren't inherently evil.
They live in the mountains.
They kind of keep to themselves.
And if you show up, maybe they eat you, but it's their home.
If they come to your home, they're not going to eat you.
No, they might eat.
dan friesen
Stand your ground.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
alex jones
Exactly.
jordan holmes
Eat your ground laws.
dan friesen
Here's a couple of things.
One, goblins aren't real.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
If they were, I would agree with you.
unidentified
Yeah.
Okay.
jordan holmes
Well, that's nice.
Thank you.
dan friesen
I also, because I've listened to this stupid fucking show for a long time, I've heard about 50 times Alex has said, already he's kissing a goblin this time.
He keeps doing this.
Pretending that Trump isn't constantly doing goblin stuff.
jordan holmes
And I think goblins have a queen, so that's fairly progressive.
dan friesen
They don't exist.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
I understand what you're saying.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Neither does the sword that lights up when they're around.
jordan holmes
Shit.
I was headed there next, man.
What about the spider?
dan friesen
Yeah, the spider's real.
alex jones
Okay, good.
dan friesen
Too real.
jordan holmes
Too real.
Yeah.
dan friesen
And by that, I mean he'll just tell you truths that you don't want to hear.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
It's too real.
Oh, shit about your family and stuff.
Oh, your mom was actually your sister.
dan friesen
You're like, no!
Right, right.
But even stuff like your mom doesn't have your best interests at heart.
jordan holmes
That's just right.
dan friesen
You know.
jordan holmes
You know it's true.
There's no looking away from the truth, and you don't necessarily want to know it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Sometimes you need to lie to yourself to get through the day.
dan friesen
And that's why you got to avoid that cave.
jordan holmes
You got to avoid that fucking spider.
What a dick.
dan friesen
So Alex plays a bit of the South Park episode.
jordan holmes
Why not?
Why fucking not?
unidentified
Fox News is live at the White House.
Yo, hey.
dan friesen
So what's happened in the episode is that Peter Thiel has bugged the White House.
s matthew liao
Sure.
dan friesen
And so he has video, like surveillance videos of everything.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So he has leaked video of Trump and Vance fucking.
Right.
And also the B plot of this episode is that there's a war going on between the boys and girls at the school because of deep fake AI videos that they can make of each other.
jordan holmes
Right.
That makes sense.
dan friesen
So this footage of the two of them fucking has been released, and Fox News is being forced to cover sex video.
s matthew liao
Uh-oh.
unidentified
Definitely disheartening news here.
Why the president would do this to Satan with a baby on the way?
And we don't know.
s matthew liao
Sorry.
Sorry.
unidentified
We got to interrupt you there.
We just got word that the president is calling into Fox and Friends.
Are you there, sir?
alex jones
All right, that's enough.
I mean, this is all they got, folks.
But in reality, spiritually, he's out of bed with MGG more and more in the American people.
And he's in bed with Benjamin Netanyahu and Lizzie Graham.
dan friesen
So in the episode, Trump calls into the Fox and Friends and just tells them that it's fake.
And the joke of it is that they're all really sad reporting on this video.
And then he says it's fake, and then it totally changes.
jordan holmes
Yeah, Of course.
dan friesen
Everyone just goes fully along with him just saying it's fake.
Yep.
And so it's kind of funny because that's like what Alex does.
Right.
jordan holmes
And he's probably pretty fucking aware of that.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
dan friesen
But that's all they got.
jordan holmes
This is all they got is that's a pretty funny way of I okay.
I would say this.
Previous This Is All They Gots have included tan soup, right?
This This Is All They Got is the president is fucking Satan and other topical things.
dan friesen
No, well, it's less about him fucking Satan.
It's more about him cheating on Satan with JD Vance.
unidentified
Right, right.
dan friesen
Oh, there's a baby on the way.
jordan holmes
That's a little bit.
dan friesen
Not everybody knows that it's the Antichrist.
unidentified
That's a little bit.
dan friesen
A lot of the American public just thinks it's a baby, and they're very excited.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, they would be that's kind of how the Antichrist would work.
He wouldn't be like, we all wouldn't be like, ah, shit, we caught him.
He's got to be pretty cool.
dan friesen
Yeah, so I don't know.
I get the idea of Alex not fully enjoying South Park.
And I think that he has some reason from much earlier in his career to think that those guys would be cool with him.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because I think they would have been cool with him in like 2005, 2006.
I think who he pretended to be back then was in line with what the South Park guys were when they were younger.
jordan holmes
Right.
When all three of them were pretending to be libertarians, a word they didn't really understand at the time.
And now here we are.
dan friesen
And the two of them have grown up and matured in some strange ways, and Alex has become the piece of shit.
Oh, well.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I'm going to give you a choice.
alex jones
All right.
dan friesen
There's a clip.
No.
Oh, okay.
jordan holmes
Sorry.
dan friesen
There is a clip about a bioweapon.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
It's two minutes long.
Do you want to hear it?
You can or not.
jordan holmes
Is the bioweapon going to be revealed to be a dick?
dan friesen
It rhymes with dick.
Now I have to play it because I said something about rhyming.
alex jones
Now, here is the scientists.
Remember the bioethicists, they teach us the ethics of science and medical stuff.
Matthew Lau called for the bioengineering of humans to make them allergic to meat in exactly the manner caused by the lone star tick.
He said this should be done to save the planet from climate change because cows are bad because they fart methane, you fart methane.
And they've also said in public service announcements in the UK and Europe, we need to ban your dog and cat because they're bad too.
So it's not just natural gas and oil that we get rid of.
It's everything.
It's total control teaching you carbon-based life is bad.
And so now it's here.
And oh, we better not eat beef.
Oh, God.
You get bit by this tick, you all die.
And who knows how they'll get this into it?
It's not just a tick.
They can fly over and spray this on you.
And then now you have this autoimmune response that issue violently ill or kills you.
And now you can't eat beef.
You can see the plan.
It's bioweapon attack.
And why is Bill Gates still not in prison?
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
So here he is bragging about the plan announced here.
s matthew liao
So I'll give two examples.
So one is that people eat too much meat, right?
And if they were to cut down on their consumption on meat, then it would actually really help the planet.
But people are not willing to give up meat.
Yeah, you know, some people will be willing to, but other people, they may be willing to, but they sort of, they have a weakness of will.
They say, wow, this steak is just too juicy.
I can't do it.
I'm one of those, by the way.
So, you know, but so here's a thought, right?
So it turns out that we know a lot about, so we have these intolerance to, so I, for example, I have milk intolerance.
And there, some people are intolerant to crayfish.
So possibly we can use human engineering to make it the case that we're intolerant to certain kinds of meat, to certain kinds of bovine proteins.
And there's actually analogs of this in life.
There's this thing called the long star tick, where if it bites you, you'll become allergic to meat.
I can sort of describe the mechanism.
So that's something that we can do through human engineering.
We can kind of possibly address really big world problems through human engineering.
alex jones
Yeah, the same guy says they can genetically engineer babies to make us smaller so we don't eat as much.
Maybe we can live in a shoebox.
These guys are on a total, absolute control freak operation.
dan friesen
We want tiny people.
We want shoebox people.
jordan holmes
I mean, listen, normally I never am against pushing the limits of biofucking around with people, right?
But this is the worst idea.
And if this guy is a bioethicist, he should be shot into the sun.
What are you talking about?
dan friesen
Well, I think he's discussing a possibility for people who would like to give up meat but are tempted and would want to give themselves some kind of like incentive not to eat.
Still, all within the realm of choice, not like forcing people to become allergic to me.
jordan holmes
I'm sure that they would never be done.
dan friesen
Right, but I'm also.
jordan holmes
I'm sure that chemically they would never just castrate people without their knowledge.
dan friesen
On a wide scale, they would never be able to do it.
jordan holmes
Bummer, bummer, ooh, yeah.
dan friesen
But I'm more worried about that other thing.
s matthew liao
Sure.
dan friesen
About tiny people.
jordan holmes
See, that's the thing.
I go the opposite.
I've loved tiny people.
I'm all for tiny people.
Yeah, that's great.
dan friesen
Okay.
Well, I was digging into it.
Okay.
And these ideas, they go back a ways.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah?
dan friesen
There was a little old lady who lived in a shoe.
Ooh.
And the plan's been there the whole time.
jordan holmes
It has been there the whole time.
dan friesen
Ever since that piece of, I don't know where that comes from.
Folklore?
jordan holmes
I believe it's a just child's nursery rhyme.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Right.
Predictive programming.
Trying to get kids used to the idea of living in a shoe in order to give they have to give consent because they didn't argue with the nursery rhyme.
jordan holmes
All right.
Here's another one.
This is this is bullshit, right?
We have been trained since children to believe that an authority figure falling from a great height should be put back together again.
Bullshit.
That egg should be fucking dead.
I hate this putting shit back together again.
dan friesen
Well, no, no, hold on now.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
What was Humpty Dumpty's role?
Because I don't know if he was an authority figure.
It was the king's men who tried to put him back together.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
Well, I mean, I just assumed that the king's men wouldn't just be like putting eggs back together all the time, that he was the king.
dan friesen
Right.
But I mean, he's a sentient egg, right?
jordan holmes
That's what I'm saying.
I didn't want him to be king in the first place.
He's not seems to be a terrible idea.
dan friesen
He's not a sentient egg king.
I'm saying that the king had one sentient egg in his kingdom, and that's why he put special attention on trying to put it back together.
jordan holmes
Listen, I get where you're coming from.
But from a standpoint of training children, I think it's the wrong message.
dan friesen
Do you think Humpty Dumpty was like a Duke?
s matthew liao
Oh, man.
jordan holmes
See, now I struggle.
I would say that it's harder to rhyme Duke, so I doubt it.
dan friesen
Puke.
jordan holmes
Cuke.
That doesn't, none of those seem like they're fit for a nursery rhyme.
dan friesen
Cucumber, the little cuke.
jordan holmes
You're going to say cuke.
dan friesen
No.
Nuke.
jordan holmes
Standby cuke.
What's Nuke going to do in your nursery rhyme?
unidentified
Oh, well, I'm.
dan friesen
You could be talking about a microwave.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's fair.
I think we're still talking about the egg, though.
dan friesen
Do you want to microwave the egg?
alex jones
I don't think you can.
jordan holmes
Can you microwave the egg?
dan friesen
You can.
I can't microwave the egg.
I saw a product on an infomercial that explains.
jordan holmes
Is it a knife that looks like a bird?
dan friesen
Yes.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
So we have one last clip here, and it's Alex.
The one thing that I want to really stress about his response, particularly to everything in the Epstein shit, but with Marjorie Taylor Green, is like this is all deflectionary.
Trump can't take any responsibility for any of the things that are happening.
So Alex tries to be like, I guess the Trump administration is fucking us, but not Trump.
He's good.
alex jones
And so now you got Patel going after MAGA.
You've got Trump purging MTG.
This is a horrible turn of events.
This is a MAGA Civil War.
Not against rhinos, but against the real people that can't be bought or controlled.
So remember, Trump is still doing an overall good job.
We support him.
But we don't rise and fall with Trump.
Populism is winning everywhere.
We fight on.
Trump showed up on the scene 10 years ago.
We've been there 31 years.
I need your support, your word of mouth, your prayers.
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dan friesen
Buy my knife.
Yeah, so I mean, like, if populism rises and falls with or without Trump, then y'all need to get rid of him.
jordan holmes
I mean, come on.
This is very.
I mean, it's just rising to the level of pure silliness.
Just the like, at what point is it even possible to do this anymore?
Like, he's doing everything.
He's been escalating over the time that we've been watching this.
He's slowly been more and more willing to just be like, yes, it's obvious.
dan friesen
Trump's doing a cover-up.
jordan holmes
But, but, you know, like he's, he's been doing that.
And it's like, at what point can you literally not do that anymore?
dan friesen
I think everyone's different.
jordan holmes
You know, like, I agree, but I wonder, is there a universal bottom?
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, I would say so.
Okay.
I would say that there will be a point at which anyone who tries to walk across ice will fall.
unidentified
Will fall.
dan friesen
Okay.
Like, it's not going to be every time you walk across ice, but if you keep walking on ice, eventually you're going to fall through that ice.
jordan holmes
Especially if a lot of people walk on the same ice.
Right.
dan friesen
And if it's bad ice.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
If it's Trump ice.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Shit ice.
jordan holmes
If Trump branded ice.
dan friesen
I think that one of the reasons that I think it is inevitable is that Alex is doing this wrong.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
There's a way to do this, but he has to have never admitted that Trump was in on the cover-up.
Once he made that step, oh, the billionaires came to him and asked him to do this, and so he got in on the cover-up and now it's blowing up in his face.
Once he conceded that kind of a point, everything else is like this bizarre, spiraling, idiot rationalization of things.
And then every other person who's acting in ways that they should, like Nick Fuentes, like Marjorie Taylor Greene, all of these people existing just highlight how stupid Alex is.
And so that, I think, is the push and pull tension that is going to cause the break.
But if he would have just, you know, behaved a little bit differently, gaslit a little bit harder at the right place, I think that he'd have a thicker ice to walk on.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
There is that.
There is that thing where there's a certain type of person that never takes responsibility for anything.
Trump.
You know, like exactly.
You know, it's always somebody else's fault.
It's always somebody else did something.
It's always somebody else.
Even when it's my fault, it's only because of them.
So it's not even me.
If they weren't there, I wouldn't have done it, right?
I don't have to take responsibility for that.
And as long as you don't have to take responsibility for it, you can do whatever you want, right?
Because it's everybody else's fault.
But once you have one thing that you did, it all falls apart from there.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because that is, because a doing of a thing leads to another doing, leads to another doing.
dan friesen
And the problem of this for Alex is that he has done a thing in like, okay, whether or not Trump agreed to be part of this cover-up, Alex has done a thing, which is not leave.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
That is not his breaking point.
And that is an active decision on his part that I'm sure he wants to disguise as a passive decision, but it's not.
Nope.
And yeah, that requires him to do other things and do other things.
And yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, once you do something, then, you know, like once Trump was, once Trump really was like, hey, fuck all you people who are still looking for Epstein, then it's like, it's no longer you can blame other people.
He said, fuck all of you.
He did that.
So everything that did follows from that point.
You know, every action follows from that point.
You can't blame somebody else.
Somebody else didn't write the tweet, you know?
dan friesen
Right.
And like, you should conceivably expect similar kinds of things to be done by him in the future as long as he can.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Once he can't, maybe he won't, right?
But as long as he can, he's going to keep doing that kind of shit.
jordan holmes
It's made him the president.
dan friesen
And you have nothing to offer in terms of an incentive to get him to stop.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex can yell all he wants.
He could do all this.
He could do whatever dumb shit he wants.
He could even say, hey, Trump, you're the best.
unidentified
Please, sir, could you please just not do anything?
Yeah.
dan friesen
Could you please shut up about this cover-up?
That wouldn't do anything.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
He could kill Roger and it wouldn't do anything.
Yep.
jordan holmes
It is a pure lack of understanding that it's just him and his audience now.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
He just doesn't get that.
dan friesen
Which is freeing.
jordan holmes
It should be freeing.
It's freeing for us.
It's just us.
They don't even, he doesn't even talk about us.
It's just us and the audience listening to us.
There's nobody else in the world.
unidentified
Yeah, he talks to other, he talks shit about other podcasters, but not us.
jordan holmes
We're not real.
dan friesen
I think that he should lean into that freedom.
Yeah.
But he doesn't.
alex jones
Nope.
dan friesen
And it's sad.
jordan holmes
Freedom is a fear.
Yeah.
dan friesen
We'll see.
We'll see when this ice cracks, when it breaks, whatever.
Or, hey, you know what?
Maybe the Duke boy will get out of it.
jordan holmes
Maybe that General Lee can slide on.
Maybe you put some skis on the General Lee and it goes right across the ice real smooth.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And we'll find out how it goes.
unidentified
Indeed.
dan friesen
But until then, next installment, we have a website.
jordan holmes
Indeed, we do.
It's KnowledgeFight.com.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
We'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I am the mysterious professor.
alex jones
Yeah, woo!
jordan holmes
Yeah, woo.
And now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your work.
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