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#1088: October 19, 2025

In this installment, Dan and Jordan discuss Alex's show from the day after the No Kings protests where he tries to play down the crowd sizes, and speaks to a caller who learned the wrong lesson from getting hit by a car.

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alex jones
16:31
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dan friesen
35:56
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jordan holmes
16:37
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unidentified
Dan and Jordan, I am sweating.
alex jones
Knowledgepight.com.
It's time to pray.
unidentified
I have great respect for knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys.
Shang, we are the bad guys.
Knowledge and fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
I need money.
Riddler.
Andy and Pansy.
Andy and Pandy.
Andy and Pansy.
Andy and Kansas.
unidentified
Andy.
alex jones
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the airplane for all of us.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a fake pencil.
I'm a huge fan.
alex jones
I love your room.
Knowledge fight.
Knowledgefight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
unidentified
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Celine, and talk a little bit about Alex Joe.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dean.
dan friesen
Jordan?
jordan holmes
Dan?
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today, buddy?
dan friesen
Why don't you go first?
jordan holmes
My bright spot, Dan, is we groomed my dogs.
dan friesen
Yeah, you said it was a hassle.
jordan holmes
We groomed our dogs.
We groomed all three of them.
We shaved Fanny and Jake.
Took it out, took multiple dogs off of them, and now they are very cold.
dan friesen
They've been looking sharp, though.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they look great.
And here's why it's my bright spot is because Fanny is getting up there in age.
She's getting a little older, and she was very cold.
So we put a sweatshirt on her, and oh my god, it's the cutest fucking thing ever.
dan friesen
What sweatshirt?
Is it a fun does it have a fun message on it?
Like, fuck you, I'm a dog.
jordan holmes
Nope, it's a full pink sweatshirt with a little white paw on the bottom.
dan friesen
Oh, it's very sweet.
Wholesome sweater.
jordan holmes
And it was very much like you put it on her, and it was that moment where it was like the grandma.
Does anybody else feel cold in here?
And you're like, this is perfect.
dan friesen
Yeah, and you'd like to just leave that fur on, but you got to keep them groomed, keep them keep it tight, and then you got to replace it with a cute sweater.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
Sometimes, you know, you let it go too long because in the outside it looks good, but then when you shave it off inside, oh, you don't know what she's been hiding in.
dan friesen
Tangled mess of hair.
jordan holmes
And then it's gone and now she's wearing a perfect little sweaty shirt.
dan friesen
That is adorable.
It's beautiful.
I'd like us to see a picture.
jordan holmes
I don't have one with me right now.
dan friesen
Eventually you will.
jordan holmes
Oh, don't bullets.
Don't worry.
dan friesen
Yeah, I'll take a look at that.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot?
dan friesen
Well, I have selectively not told you something.
jordan holmes
Oh.
dan friesen
And it's because it's my bright spot.
Okay.
I went to the woods.
jordan holmes
You did?
dan friesen
Yep.
I have already made my first time.
jordan holmes
Motherfucker.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
You selectively didn't tell me that.
dan friesen
On Friday, I drove about an hour and a half out of town to a state park and hiked a good seven miles or so on a swampy kind of area.
And yeah.
jordan holmes
That's great.
dan friesen
It was a delightful time.
jordan holmes
That's awesome.
dan friesen
Yep.
I only hiked that long because I got lost and went off on a side trail that I wasn't supposed to go off on unknowingly and then had to backtrack.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but that's the adventure.
That's what you're out there for.
You're out there for getting onto a side trail that's wrong.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And at no point did I feel like, hey, I'm lost.
Actually, I immediately knew like, I'm lost.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But I didn't feel at any point like I was worried about being lost.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And not because I had Google Maps or anything.
I was just like, I can figure this out.
Yeah.
It's not that like, it's not that crazy.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And if I keep walking in some direction, I'll find a road.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that was great.
That felt great.
Even if I'm lost, I'm not lost.
Who gives a shit?
Out here in the wilds.
jordan holmes
I could not be more proud or happy for you.
In the past few weeks, you've gone from, I mean, this has been an incredible transformation.
I'm really proud of you.
This is awesome.
You've gone from like, how do I do this thing?
Which started with let's get a driver's license and then there was all this other stuff.
And now here you are having successfully done that stuff and then did the thing.
dan friesen
All the damn bureaucracy and like the, you know, I hate to sound like a libertarian, but the damn red tape.
jordan holmes
What are you going to do?
dan friesen
You know, of getting through the process of being allowed to drive.
Yep.
You know, it is quite a hassle.
And I thought that it wouldn't be honoring of making it through that and the help that I got from you and people like Angela Lampsberry and shit if I didn't make use of that.
And so on Friday, yeah, I had nothing really to do necessarily that needed to be done.
Right.
And so I just jumped in the car and bear bear.
jordan holmes
That's fucking awesome.
dan friesen
I did.
I did okay.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
This is the longest drive I've had at all.
jordan holmes
Yeah, 20 years.
Probably.
At least, yeah.
dan friesen
It was fine.
It was all very fine, except for two things.
One, I did not see one red light that was like 100 yards in front of another red light.
And so I had to slam on the brakes.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And I felt really scared.
Sure.
But no harm.
jordan holmes
No harm, no foul.
dan friesen
All right.
Learning experience.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
And then the second thing was that I had Google Maps directing me.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And I didn't realize that the cord that I had was not a power cord.
It was just an aux cord.
So at about 10% battery life, I was an hour from home.
And I realized that I was now in a race against.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
This is intense.
dan friesen
I had to find a gas station on the way to get the cord.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Or else I had a map in the car, but I did not trust my ability to figure out how to get back.
I realized how on the road reliant on a Google Map kind of thing I am.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And that was a little scary, but it all worked out.
Sure.
I found the cord.
jordan holmes
Yeah, man.
Can you imagine being back in those days where you were just like, I'll probably be fine.
dan friesen
I remember those days with like a Rand McNally.
jordan holmes
Oh, we'll stop at a rest stop and we'll sit there and I'll stare at this map and try and figure out what it is I'm even looking at first.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I lived those in road trips of times past, but like it felt so like it's so easy to have this robot just tell you where to turn.
jordan holmes
Yep, yep, yep, yep.
dan friesen
It's almost like a crutch that I can't resist.
jordan holmes
It does feel like you have just written the epitaph of humanity.
Like we could have, but it's so fucking easy to let this robot tell me where to go.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And they know.
jordan holmes
They know.
dan friesen
They're right.
jordan holmes
They probably know.
Or at least they're close to knowing all the time.
dan friesen
Well, they're one for one in terms of this trip.
They didn't lead me wrong.
So that's that's nice.
Yep.
I was, I met a nice lady on the trail who's MacGyver Style smooches or I was her child's age, let's say.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
But it was very nice.
We walked about a mile or so at the end of where I was getting to where my parking lot was.
And we had just a very nice conversation just about how hiking is good for the brain.
jordan holmes
Cat Stevens starts playing.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, it did.
I felt very worried when she was asking what I do.
And I said that I do a political podcast.
unidentified
Oh, no.
dan friesen
And I could get, I felt like a uh-oh.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But she was very nice.
She was someone who voted for Trump, but like was very kind and polite.
And didn't get into a fight or anything.
jordan holmes
I'll let you in on a secret.
Most people who are Trump voters are also very kind and nice.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's weird.
dan friesen
But it was very strange that I'm here.
I'm out in the middle of nowhere wandering through the woods.
And here's a social opportunity to talk to someone.
Like you think it's the most isolated place and then this person will just start, you know, someone just talks to you.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
Any moment now you're going to start talking about open door philosophy.
dan friesen
No.
I don't know what that is.
No.
I'll be friendly to people that I meet in the woods.
jordan holmes
All right.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
But I'm not.
Anyway.
Good times all around success.
Excellent.
Hooray.
jordan holmes
That's great.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's fantastic.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over, which is less fun.
jordan holmes
I was going to say, that's almost anticlimactic to actually do what we're doing now.
I'm really kind of high off of you having gone.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I wish that there was something a little bit more exciting as a story other than just like I met a nice person and walked for a while chatting about life.
But that is really great.
It's just not like, it's not as exciting as I saw a bear.
jordan holmes
No, we're old now.
That story is fucking edge of your seat thrilling.
You met an adult person outside.
Get the fuck out of here.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So I'll keep people apprised of my adventures.
I'm sorry that I did not have time to watch an episode of the guy.
jordan holmes
That's what I'm really bothering.
dan friesen
This is all really just me making an excuse for not watching.
jordan holmes
I can see that.
I can see that.
dan friesen
So we're going to be talking about October 19th, 2025.
This is the day after the No Kings protests.
Where nothing really happened.
I mean, people protested, but there weren't any bombings.
jordan holmes
There were no bombings that I was aware of.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so we'll see what Alex's take is and how he's doing.
But first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, happy 10-year anniversary to my wonky wife, Natalie.
I hope Knowledge Fight never goes away so I can continue to wish you happy anniversary every three years.
See you at 13.
Love Corney.
Thank you so much, Jeremiah Policy Walk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
I go.
Next, Wallace E. Ponk the Cat.
The E stands for Emerich.
Thank you so much, Jeremiah Policy Walk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
I don't want to tell tales out of school.
And I don't know if this is actually a cat's middle name, but they misspelled Emmerich.
Ooh.
Next, shout out to me, a unicorn, and my partner, Snack.
We are from Marietta, Georgia, and we both listen and love y'all show.
Thank you so much, Jeremiah Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
The real question is, does Marietta have a bunch of pyramids?
jordan holmes
That's what I was wondering.
dan friesen
We know Atlanta is lousy with pyramids.
jordan holmes
You can't fucking throw a stone in Atlanta without hitting a pyramid.
dan friesen
Yeah.
We also got a technical credit in the mix, Jordan.
So thank you so much to shout out to Jordan for confirming that I've been pronouncing nadir correctly since I read it in a book.
Thank you so much, Jeremy Democrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars.
alex jones
Go home for your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
Daddy Sharp.
Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb.
Jarjar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser, little, little kitty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Did I pronounce it correctly?
jordan holmes
Yes, you did.
You did great.
Man, actually, the moment that was written down, I was like, hmm, Nader's Nadir.
That would be a good book to write about Ralph Nader's fall from grace.
dan friesen
The seatbelts.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Was that the Nadir?
No.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Not 2000.
The election public.
That would probably be it.
So we're talking about the left being in a nadir right now.
Yep.
Because Trump is at the peak.
jordan holmes
Yes, he is.
dan friesen
He is doing great.
jordan holmes
He's killing it.
dan friesen
I think that, you know, it's October 19th, and there's a lot of shit that Alex should be pretty mad about Trump for.
jordan holmes
Can I ask a question?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Are we just still blowing up boats places?
dan friesen
Periodically.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
Just wanted to be clear on that.
dan friesen
Hey, what are you going to do?
They got drugs on him.
jordan holmes
I feel like sometimes when people just say, oh, yeah, we occasionally blow up boats outside of other countries and nobody cares.
It's weird.
dan friesen
It is strange that that's a dangling thread that's going on and Alex is not mad about.
You know, Trump has said that free speech doesn't include flagbury.
He has decided himself the sole arbiter of our freedoms.
He has also said he's not going to heaven on Air Force One.
Right.
Which was so fucking weird.
jordan holmes
Didn't seem necessary.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
That was the problem, I think, with it, is that it was really unnecessary.
dan friesen
No one asks him, are you going to heaven?
jordan holmes
Hey, buddy, you going to heaven?
dan friesen
I don't think I'm going to make it.
jordan holmes
I agree.
dan friesen
I don't think I'm heaven bound.
jordan holmes
Guess what?
Neither did anyone else on this fucking planet, man.
dan friesen
But it's really bad for Alex.
He should be like, of course you just say you're going to fucking diesel.
jordan holmes
It would be weird to have God's chosen agent of saviorhood go to hell.
Even if he's a piece of shit, it's like, well, God made you do it, right?
dan friesen
I guess so.
jordan holmes
You kind of have to.
You got to get grandfathered in, if you will.
Godfathered in, if you will.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And so at this point, it's strange.
It's strange in a not strange way how much like, ah, Trump's doing great.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's doing great.
dan friesen
He's so good.
alex jones
It's Sunday, October 19th, 2025.
I'm your host, Alex Jones.
We're on the 27 day of the return of the Trump administration.
What an incredible time to be alive.
I want to open the phones up tonight for folks to call in and give their prognosis 11 months into the return of the Trump administration to give us your take on where you see the direction of the country going and whether or not you think Trump's getting a B plus and A plus and what do you think he can do better?
Just quite frankly, Trump's doing better than I thought he could do.
Still, it's very frustrating, knowing what he's working with, to see the bad guys we know are in the DOJ slowing down the prosecution of the deep state because this isn't about vengeance.
This is about survival of the country.
I mean, the crimes that Obama and Hillary and the rest of them, Clapper, Brennan, committed are just insane.
But hey, we got the first big three indictments, and a lot more are coming.
dan friesen
So he's prosecuting his enemies.
You know, he's not firing Todd Blanche from inside the DOJ, who was so cruel to not let Alex go after the Sandy Hooker.
Could he?
So, yeah, Trump's doing good.
He wants to check with the callers if it's an A plus or a B plus somewhere in there.
jordan holmes
I mean, nobody, nobody likes a brown-noser, not even the person, you know, like that's part of it, is that you're not brown-nosing to make that person happy.
They're happy to see you brown-nose.
dan friesen
Yeah, they're happy to see you brought low.
Yeah, you bring yourself low in subservience.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, you don't need to go this far.
No, you can pull it back at least a little bit.
dan friesen
It's glaring at this point, the level to which this is Alex's life compared to the guy with a bullhorn on the streets.
Yeah.
It's pathetic.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you've gone from a guy who is capable of giving an F grade to a B plus to A plus only.
dan friesen
So he, you know, he used to be the guy with a bullhorn out there protesting.
And now he's the guy who's like, fuck these stupid protesters.
alex jones
I don't want to take your calls.
A lot of calls tonight.
It's not that tonight's a slow news night.
I mean, just for horror value and entertainment value, comedic value.
The No Kings protest that were all over the country.
They were in small towns all over Texas, not just in the big cities.
I mean, I talked to friends and family and just listeners on the street saw them everywhere.
It was in the local news that just towns all around Austin had them.
But if you estimate the numbers, about 7 million people out of 350 million that went out and protested.
And the corporate media call it the biggest protests in U.S. history.
That is absolutely preposterous.
There have been protests for 50 million people.
And the 60s were estimated hit the streets, and that's when we had 100 million less people.
And they've also been running old MSNBC protests for 2017 when Soros really had all that U.S. aid funding and saying, oh, look, this is in Boston.
unidentified
Nope.
alex jones
They confirmed 2017.
So they're running a lot of fake stuff.
But let's just give the Krabenstein brothers put another video they claim is Chicago.
Kind of looks like the immigrant illegal alien migrant caravans under Obama and Biden done it, doesn't it?
But it's not.
That's not illegal aliens, most of them know.
No, we've got ground footage in Chicago and ground footage in Austin, and I saw it moan eyeballs and ground footage in LA and Seattle and New York.
We've got the ground footage.
And we know that 95% will show you a bunch of these videos coming up.
That's when I'll describe them.
When I say 95% are white at these things, that's being lenient just to kind of throw in some black or brown people because I really can't find them in almost all the videos.
jordan holmes
Beautiful.
alex jones
It's all, I mean, 95% white people.
And I'd say that 95%, 80% are above 60.
And this is a white supremacy problem.
It is true now.
The number one threat facing America is geriatric, leftist, communist, moron idiots who happen to be white, who've been running around trying to get a race war going so they can still feel like they control America.
Talk about a group of morons.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
If they existed, they would be a group of morons.
That would be a very strange choice of thing to be.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think Alex is a little off here, but whatever.
Tad.
So, but he's saying that these No Kings protests were a dud.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Right?
dan friesen
Like, that's on when you get past the weird white stuff.
jordan holmes
I mean, sure.
dan friesen
It's a dud.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And you'll have to ask yourself, what would have had to happen for Alex to consider the No Kings protest an effective protest?
It's almost like they would have been a total dud unless some kind of violence broke out.
And if some kind of violence broke out, it would be a false flag carried out by Soros and Podesta agitators.
This is the thing with protests.
How do you assess their effectiveness?
A large turnout is one way, but there's also a lot of intangible things like community organizing and using the large turnout as a platform to boost awareness of advocacy groups that folks going to the protest might have been previously unaware of.
Reflecting on a protest is tough because there's no single metric that you can tell if it made a dent or not.
And I think that territory is really easy for shitheads to fuck around with.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
As for the fake images from the 2017 thing, Alex is just lying.
Right-wing dipshit Twitter accounts started accusing MSNBC of running footage from 2017 and claiming that it was the current No Kings protest in Boston.
And this claim spread, going so far as to having Ted Cruz retweet it.
He would go on to delete this post because the footage of MSNBC, they were running it.
It was from 2025.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But it didn't matter.
The damage had already been done.
These folks wanted a way to invalidate the size of the protests and the media at the same time.
And they found an easy way to do just that.
Just lie about the media using old footage and pretending that it's current.
In response, media outlets looked into it and found that the footage was current and that these people were making shit up.
So they offered debunks and corrections.
And in response to this, the folks who lied to get their way in the first place just ignored all that shit and kept with their original lie.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
audience doesn't care whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa yeah shocking Obviously, it wasn't almost all white people at these protests, but this is not a meaningful argument to engage with.
I would suspect that the overall diversity of the protests was lower than it would be if there wasn't an ongoing state-sponsored terror campaign aimed at detaining and arresting people they suspect of being immigrants.
I think there's probably a lot of people who don't feel safe outside their homes right now, and that might be a factor, but I'm not going to argue the demographics of this protest with Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, at a certain point, when you look around and you say the slave catchers are out, don't be surprised at what you see outside.
dan friesen
I would be almost sure that attendance at every parade is lower than it would be in other years other than like 2021 when COVID was at its peak.
jordan holmes
Here's what we need to be talking about because a lot of that was fucked up, admittedly.
But what's really important is that by removing the US aid money, we are getting smaller protests.
That's what Soros needed that money to give us the big protests.
I don't understand.
Was that money like a one-to-one thing?
Like, oh, the U.S. aid money goes directly to protests.
It's not like it doesn't go to his bank account or to an organization.
Straight to the protests.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think so.
I think that's how we have to conceive of it.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Which is kind of stupid because if Soros really cared about these protests, he's got money.
I mean, he doesn't need that USAID money.
He bankrupted the UK.
It feels like crashed the British banks.
jordan holmes
Somebody would have had to go to him.
In much like this situation, he's behind his desk and I'd be like, oh, man, we lost the USAID money.
What are we going to do?
How do we make it up for the protesters?
dan friesen
Who cares?
I'm a fucking billionaire.
jordan holmes
Who gives a shit?
See, you would have to say no.
Fuck them.
If you don't get the USAID, you don't get the protests.
dan friesen
That means you didn't believe in this to begin with.
And Alex is supposed to be pitching these villains as people who really believe in trying to bring about worldwide communist tyranny.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
If you're an evil globalist, hell-bent on taking over the world, to not receive government funding to protest the government seems absurd.
dan friesen
But it's all, I mean, it's a setback.
jordan holmes
It is, yes, at best.
dan friesen
But you got to keep moving.
jordan holmes
You got to keep moving.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Nonsense.
Anyway, this No Kings protest, there was another one back in June.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
If you recall.
jordan holmes
I do recall.
dan friesen
And there were some murders the night before.
jordan holmes
Let's go talk about that one.
dan friesen
Yeah, let's talk about that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
alex jones
All right, let me give you a little overview of what we've got here this evening.
The globalist Soros, Democrat, Communist, Pedo, Satan worshiper, New World Order, No Kings, overthrow of Trump, ridiculous demonstrations, also known as the No Brains.
jordan holmes
Got him.
alex jones
Rally.
They had the last big one on June 14th.
And then a agency board head for Tim Walls in Minnesota's operation went and killed a state rep state senator shot their spouses and then got caught and said he was doing it in a false flag for Tim Walls.
Who knows what happened there?
It'd be very suspicious, but that was about it for violence.
I mean, the left attacked a bunch of people, beat up people, shot a few people, set some fires, but still not the earth-shattering garbage they promised.
dan friesen
You might notice that Alex has no new information about this case, which he's reporting as a very possible false flag operation run by Tim Walls, where the person carrying it out has survived and seems willing to talk.
That's strange.
He's so incurious about this case, which should be maybe the only thing that a person who is like what Alex pretends to be would focus on.
For all of his other primary failings, Alex has a decent business instinct, and he's not curious about digging further into this story because he knows that he's got everything he needs out of it.
And asking more questions will only reveal how dumb it was to pretend that Vance Bolter was carrying out a false flag for Tim Walls.
Yeah, if Alex actually believed this guy was working for Walls, but realized that he was being set up, so he reached out to Cash Patel to spill the beans, then Alex should be doing everything in his power to advocate for him to get a public hearing and the largest platform possible.
He would be trying to do interviews with him while he's in jail and sending his reporters to Minnesota.
He would have to do that because if he believes any of this stuff, then Vance Bolter is one of the only people in the world who's a legitimate dangling thread of a globalist false flag operation.
He would represent the holy grail for Alex.
Like if one of the 9-11 hijackers had survived and wanted to talk about how Cheney had hired him.
Like that's the level of importance of this guy.
jordan holmes
You bet.
dan friesen
Alex doesn't behave this way for two reasons.
One, he knows Bolter is full of shit and has no interest in risking letting the audience see that.
And two, he knows that the more that anyone looks into the case, the more they'll likely find that Bolter is a Trump fan and an Infowars listener who did exactly what Alex has preached was the thing that the smart right-wingers would do if a civil war kicked off.
And they'll also find Alex and Matt Bracken talking about how the civil war was kicking off at the No Kings protest in June and that Bolter told his wife and kids, quote, Dad went to war last night.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Alex doesn't care to dig into this story because on some level, he knows that it leads back to him.
These are the real-world ramifications of his fake world bullshit, and he doesn't want people to treat him like they are.
He doesn't want to treat, he doesn't want to have to be held to account for like, this is part of what you want people to do, you dip shit.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And well.
jordan holmes
He has to run forward and make a lot of noise because if he stops and people look back, then what he's left behind him is going to catch up.
dan friesen
But the problem is that the noise that he's making, if you believe conspiracy theory ideology at all, the noise that he should be making is all eyes on Bolter.
Everybody, like, because if you can unravel this, it unravels so much.
alex jones
Right.
jordan holmes
Here's what I like to think of Alex as: like the old, if we're both being chased by a bear, I don't have to outrun the bear, I have to outrun you.
You know, like the things that he does are there so he can keep running while you're talking about that thing in the past.
Like, oh, you're doing that.
I'm past you.
I'm gone.
You're dead.
You're eaten by the bear if you're stuck talking about that.
dan friesen
You know, yeah, he's good.
He all he has to do is distract you enough to keep a little distance.
And that's, it's just pathetic.
I really think that this is a good case point where like his behavior would be so different if he wasn't full of shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Just based on what he's supposed to believe.
He should be like trying to live in that cell with Bolter.
jordan holmes
Sooner or later, Carrie knew that Mark Richards was full of shit, but she still went to that jail because you got to go to the jail to talk to that guy.
dan friesen
You got to keep up the brand.
jordan holmes
You got to do it.
dan friesen
And Alex is letting his own brand down.
Yep.
So these protests were big.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Maybe the biggest ever.
jordan holmes
Maybe.
dan friesen
But who cares?
That's small.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
alex jones
They're all over the corporate media.
New York Times, CNN, MSNBC.
Oh, biggest demonstration in history.
And their own estimates are 7 million in over 2,500 locations.
And I have no doubt it was in thousands of locations because I talked to people in Bassdrop and Dripping Springs and Waco and towns out Arlington, Texas.
I got calls from friends and family.
And, you know, got a guy at the gas station says, I live in Dripping Springs.
200 of them blocked the road.
We're beating on our windows this morning.
So, I mean, the local news said basically every town of any size in Texas even had it, not the cities.
And they were all over downtown.
I was down there doing a podcast Saturday morning on Sean Johnson's podcast.
It's come out a few days at his studios.
And I saw Palestinian demonstrators and saw antifa even at 10 a.m.
And then I came out of the podcast about 12:30 and saw even more.
So there was a lot of them, but there's 350 million people in this country.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
So if 7 million demonstrated, that's 2%.
jordan holmes
Yep.
alex jones
But the headlines are: the Republicans are scared.
Ooh, MAGA, man, Trump, you better watch out.
Why the majority of Americans are angry and they march?
No, two percent, even though a lot of them are paid to do it.
dan friesen
This is so dumb.
It reveals the kind of elementary school playground shit Alex is involved in.
If this is the largest protest in history and it's only 2% of the entire population of the U.S., then 2% of the population is the largest mass gathering in history.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
2% of the population may seem like a small amount in a poll, but apparently it's a gigantic number of people in terms of getting them out on the streets demonstrating.
Alex would frequently bask in the exaggerated numbers of folks who were showing up to the Stop the Steel protests and how many folks were at January 6th.
And all that's fine to do.
It's just pathetic to try to have it both ways.
If it's embarrassing to get 2% of the population out to these protests, then you have to accept that your protests got way less than that.
And also, Alex screams about like 3% of the population caused the civil revolutionary war.
jordan holmes
Aren't your buddies called the 3%ers telling you about how important 3% is?
You should be thinking 2 is too close.
dan friesen
Man, it's a big percent, the big difference between one or two and three.
jordan holmes
I feel like, but your point is that there's not that big of a difference between zero and two percent, so it can't be that big of a difference between two and three percent.
dan friesen
Well, see, zero and two is easy.
jordan holmes
I feel like that's not true.
dan friesen
Big jump.
jordan holmes
You know what?
Maybe that is true.
Maybe the first two percent is a lot easier than the next third.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, you know, it's like batting averages.
You know, like that little, that last little bit is the difference between a great player and a legend.
jordan holmes
Right.
That's true.
dan friesen
Yeah.
That different.
I'm slipping in and out of my album.
jordan holmes
What sort of wins over replacement protests?
dan friesen
2.2.
2.2.
jordan holmes
That's what we're looking for.
Okay.
dan friesen
Everyone knows it.
So Alex mentioned in that clip that he saw like Antifa and Palestinian protesters.
I mean, he talks here a little bit about how he believes that none of these people should be collaborating because like Muslims hate gay people.
jordan holmes
So we should be fighting each other.
dan friesen
He thinks probably that's what should be happening.
jordan holmes
Ah, man.
dan friesen
But everyone gets together because they hate white people.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
The podcasting studio was in the middle of downtown, and F1's here and a bunch of other festivals.
So it's really bad traffic shops sitting there like 30 minutes driving three miles an hour into downtown to go on that podcast.
And I was saying, okay, they got Palestinian flags.
Okay, they got Black Lives Matter flags.
Okay, there's some Antifa.
20 here, 15 there, 40 here.
I was like, where's a black person?
Didn't see one.
Now, at the Palestinian throngs, some looked like they were Muslim, but it was mainly white people.
Throngs like they had gay flags mixed in with the Palestinian stuff.
I mean, they always do.
It's like, what?
They're going to throw you off a damn building, you dumbass.
I mean, it's just, it'd be like Tweety Bird for Sylvester.
What it'd be like Tweety Bird standing there with a sign saying, I love Sylvester.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
Standing in Sylvester's mouth.
I mean, it's just, or more serious note, it'd be like a fly flying around a black widow's web saying flies for black widows.
jordan holmes
It's, you know, is that more?
alex jones
It's or think of another one.
Um, chickens for weasels, chickens for foxes, uh, sheep for wolves.
I mean, I don't know.
Uh, mice for rattlesnakes.
That's what rattlesnakes eat.
By the way, infrared, pit viper.
jordan holmes
Thanks.
alex jones
Um, seals for great white sharks.
Sure.
I just, I just don't get it.
jordan holmes
Name more praise slash pleasure.
alex jones
Hates America so they'll coalition with anybody that hates the West, hates Christianity, and hates white people.
That's the sacrament of the left.
But just like the crooked pull it up, all those big famous Black Lives Matter deals where you'll have the black Israelites or whatever, that crazy group saying, lick my boots, bitch.
And there's just thousands of white people bowing down going, oh, we worship you and FBI agents and cops doing it and people licking black people's boots.
And again, that's all funded by Soros to create division, obviously.
But again, it's 95% white.
That is such a big takeaway.
dan friesen
What a takeaway.
So his crew pulls something up based on, you know, what he's talking about.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like the licking black people's boots.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And the thing that they can find is the guy who runs Chick-fil-A.
Cleaning a black person's shoe.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
And Alex is like, you know, that's more like Christ-like, though.
That's like washing people's feet like Christ would do.
That's totally fine.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
That was funny.
So being pro-LGBTQ and pro-Palestinian are not incompatible positions.
If a group is facing a genocide, then you don't have to agree with all of their social and political positions in order to oppose the continuation of that genocide.
Even beyond that, it's foolish to pretend that all Palestinians or all Muslims would want to throw gay people off buildings.
That's something that's the territory of religious extremists.
And while it may not be as flashy as throwing someone off a roof, Alex supports things like conversion therapy, which is in many cases just torture.
If you were LGBTQ, you have a good reason to fear Islamic fundamentalism.
But Christian fundamentalism poses the exact same threat.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And Alex understands that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Another trend that we're seeing in Alex's content in recent days that is reflected here is there's an increase in him starting to villainize white people who he might have called race traitors in the past.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
This is an unsurprising development because it's kind of how racist movements evolve to start attacking the people who are of your in-group, who are not loyal to your in-group.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, they were there whenever you needed them, and now they're not necessary, so you can take them out.
We've never seen any kind of poems written about something along these lines.
dan friesen
No, and I think that it's like I'm saying, it's an unsurprising development, but unsettling nonetheless.
jordan holmes
It's no fun.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
It's no fun.
I wonder how many different, like, what would have happened if he had gotten stuck on Snake and Mongoose?
Like, would he have just shorted out?
dan friesen
He didn't eat.
Oh, no.
He had Snake with.
jordan holmes
But in my head, I imagine he's going like seal and great white shark.
Snake and Mutt.
unidentified
Wait.
jordan holmes
Mongoose and Snake.
No.
Snake and Mutt.
No.
Mongoose and Snake.
No.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
I feel like maybe we...
Have you read that book, Bear vs. Shark?
jordan holmes
I have read Bear.
Chris Beck Elder is amazing.
dan friesen
Yeah, we should just give that book to Alex and freak him out.
And that would freak him out.
He'll be caught in that forever.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that would freak him out.
dan friesen
So Alex likes to say that racist things are fake a lot of the time.
But he's got a little story about some racist flyers that were posted in San Diego.
jordan holmes
Oh, my.
dan friesen
And he's like, I don't always think things are fake when they're racist.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
By the way, somebody in California and San Diego and other places is happening is putting signs on people's cars under the windshield wipers saying, because Latinos are being kicked out by Trump, we're going to start killing all the white people.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
And when you watch the videos, I love how the whites, Hispanics, and others that find the signs are like, we got to find out who's doing this.
Is this real or is this somebody trying to stir up division?
See, that's it.
I don't see that go, oh, a Hispanic did that for sure.
The Hispanics are coming to kill us.
jordan holmes
Yes, you do.
alex jones
No, I immediately say that's probably a setup by some white supremacist group or some leftist group wanting to create division.
Who knows?
We should find out.
They should check the surveillance footage and find out.
This is happening all over the place in California.
I don't know who's doing it.
The point is, oh, look, this says Hispanics are going to kill white people.
You just don't buy.
And look, I know the audience gets for new listeners.
I'm attacked over the years because I'll always ask the same question.
Gee, did Jesse Smollett stage this?
And that goes both ways.
Different sides can do the same crap.
We'll be right back with that.
dan friesen
Alex's curiosity really never goes the other direction.
Every time there's a white victim of a crime, it was racially motivated as an attack, and it's proof that white people are the most persecuted people in the world.
jordan holmes
Well, he definitely is.
dan friesen
And every time that there's a black victim of a crime, Alex does his best to illustrate that the victim kind of deserved what happened and that the attack might have been fake.
alex jones
Wow.
dan friesen
He's still talking about Jesse Smollett, which tells you how rarely he's right about his consistent behavior of trying to invalidate racist violence.
So there was a person on Reddit from San Diego who posted a flyer they allegedly found on their car that starts, quote, we have a job for you, helping us kill white women.
alex jones
Yes.
dan friesen
It's a little incoherent as a whole, but it seems like the job that they're offering involves poisoning white women's drinks at restaurants so they'll overdose and be called drug addicts and no one will ever have to no one will come and arrest you because they were doing drugs.
jordan holmes
Here's what I love about this plan.
First off, that's a great plan.
My favorite part is the first step, flyers in people's car windows.
That's where you start.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
That was where you're like, I get that the plan ends very poorly, but that you started with flyers in people's windshields makes me less concerned.
dan friesen
Well, it's like trying to recruit people for telemarketing gigs and stuff.
You got to put it out there.
jordan holmes
It would be.
Okay.
So when we were running a show, nobody's there.
You got to bark.
You got to bark for some people.
You got to bark for a good time.
We're doing comedy.
Don't you want to be here?
And you know what everybody says?
No, of course not, because they don't want to be there.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
That's the same thing that's happening right here.
No.
Nobody's coming in.
dan friesen
You think that these people are putting these flyers out and no one is going to poison the white women at bars?
jordan holmes
If it is sincere, that's creepier to me than it's totally not sincere.
dan friesen
It's fucking so clearly fake.
It's signed at the bottom, attributing the message to the Family Health Center in San Diego.
unidentified
Nice.
dan friesen
Another user posted a flyer that they found that was clearly by the same person, but was looking for people to kill white men.
unidentified
Ooh.
dan friesen
Same kind of thing with a vague idea about what the job is, but it seems like poisoning food and drinks at restaurants is their consistent go-to.
jordan holmes
Well, you got to spice it up.
dan friesen
This one is attributed to the Amalgamated Transit Union.
According to commenters, there's a well-known character to people in San Diego that's doing this.
These flyers have been put on cars for a while and they tend to play into conservative fear-based talking points.
Someone must have tweeted about this.
Alex skimmed past it and then decided to use it as an example of how great his critical thinking skills are.
See, he didn't jump in headfirst and decide that this is La Raza recruiting for a race war.
He's a responsible, critical guy who can see this and be, oh, maybe it's white supremacists who are trying to false flag the Hispanic people.
It's a fucking idiot.
There's just a crazy person who's putting this on people's cars.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Yep.
I went down a little bit of a rabbit hole with this.
And I found a bunch of other flyers that people have found on their cars in San Diego that I suspect are the same person.
jordan holmes
Very similar point of view.
dan friesen
Kind of, but not enough that I can confidently say, like, I see the same sentences or whatever.
jordan holmes
All right, you're not unabombering it.
dan friesen
No, not necessarily, but I have a strong suspicion that there's just someone who's printing out a bunch of shit and putting it on people's cars.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Well, I mean, once, here's what I'll say.
Once you start doing that, it does seem to be a solution to a lot more problems than before you start.
Like, I've never thought, here's my solution to this problem: printing stuff out and putting it on a windshield.
But then you're kind of pot committed once you do it the first time because if you give up, then you have to admit that it was never a good idea in the first place.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So you got to keep on, you got to keep on doing everything.
dan friesen
Yeah, and you're able to like, you know, associate whatever these messages are with things like a community health center that provides care that you don't agree with or the amalgamated transit union that supports workers in the transit field.
So like you have these things you can target with your crazy lashing out.
And I think that's really more what's going on here than anything.
jordan holmes
I can't think of a worse thing to here's what I'll say in terms of recruitment efforts versus execution.
You know what I'm saying?
If you're going poison, I think you want to have a far more stringent recruitment.
You know what I'm saying?
Like you're not accepting anybody off the street if you're poisoning people.
dan friesen
Hear me out on this, though.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
It's not recruitment.
The phone number at the bottom is to this health center.
unidentified
I understand.
dan friesen
So like no one is ever going to be able to get in touch with you to get in on the poisoning gig.
I understand.
Because it's not real.
I understand it is to create racist conversation and people freaking out and thinking this is real.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Or, conversely, doing what Alex is doing and thinking it's fake and a false flag.
jordan holmes
Very smart.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Well, no.
jordan holmes
No, I meant that very.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
The goal is to have people talk about it as opposed to like, look, you're not.
unidentified
I know nobody's getting poisoned at the end of these flyers, man.
dan friesen
There's no paycheck.
jordan holmes
I get it.
I get it.
unidentified
Don't argue with me.
dan friesen
I feel like you were trying to talk yourself up to being like, I'm a good candidate for this.
jordan holmes
Listen, I'm not even.
No, I don't know.
I'm not a good poisoner.
I got a tremor, man.
Who knows?
I'm going to poison somebody.
Boom.
It's in my mouth.
I'm dead.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You never know.
dan friesen
Well, guess what?
No workman's comedy.
jordan holmes
See, there you go.
dan friesen
They hate the unions.
jordan holmes
That's why you gotta fuck with.
Oh, man.
You print stuff off and you put it on a windshield.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex has another story that he's dipping his toe into about a guy who got arrested 111 times.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
And so that's where the real violence is.
And I wanted to tie that into it because the real violence is Democrat judges, state and federal.
I mean, I've got news articles here where they're releasing people that have 111 arrests, dozens of them for violent cards, excuse me, 40 of them in one case, 40 carjackings and robberies out of 111 arrests.
And the Soros DA just keeps letting them out because they're black.
And then black folks are in the local news going, listen.
Lock these people up.
It's not hardly any of the blacks doing it.
It's just a small number.
Literally, when they arrested him for the 111th time, they got on his phone.
He was plotting to kill the police because he thought this is one case when I played because he'd be free to kill whoever he wanted if he could just go ahead and kill cops.
So he's looking up, what's the sentence for killing a cop?
dan friesen
Alex is making up the kid who did who he's talking about allegedly had looked up in the past, can you kill a cop?
What's the sentence for killing a cop?
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
But Alex is creating a fun little story about like, if I kill cops, then I could kill anybody.
That's all from his imagination.
jordan holmes
That does make sense.
dan friesen
So his story here is that there's someone who's been arrested 111 times, 40 of which were for carjacking.
And every time he's gotten released and not charged because he's black.
The 111 number is pretty specific.
So it's easy to find the case that Alex is talking about.
This is about a 15-year-old in Charlotte, North Carolina.
Because they're a minor, none of their information can be released publicly.
But police sergeant Todd Martin used him as an example at a press conference arguing for why catch and release policing doesn't work.
According to Martin, the kid actually has been involved in 55 car thefts.
So Alex is low on that number.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And he got busted for weed once.
It's hard to tell how many distinct events this kid is involved in, but it doesn't seem like there's 111 separate arrests.
More like maybe there's 111 different crimes.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Either way, there's no indication of these 15-year-olds' race.
So even if Alex is correct, he's just making up that he's black.
jordan holmes
It would be illegal for him to know that he's black.
dan friesen
Right.
And from the available information in the reporting that Alex is relying on, that's not a piece of the information set that's available.
So Alex is just making that up.
jordan holmes
It's almost like he's making a racist judgment based upon, you know, hmm.
dan friesen
And he's kind of soft playing the fact that this guy's 15 in order to make it look more like he's black.
And that's why he's gotten away with all of these crimes, as opposed to the juvenile justice system works in a certain way.
I don't know.
I don't think you should be arrested 111 times, but I think that I would look at a broader reason around this for how this happens.
jordan holmes
I mean, you know, to my thinking, anything that you don't want to have happen that you allow to happen 111 times, somewhere along the line, you could have gone, maybe there's a different solution to this problem.
Maybe we try something else.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Who knows?
Yeah.
Oh, well.
jordan holmes
What you're going to do?
dan friesen
So Alex plays some videos of people at the protests.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
And he gets mad at them.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And I think he wishes Owen Schroer was around to go destroy these cuts.
You know, like back in the old days.
jordan holmes
He doesn't have anybody to do man on the street.
dan friesen
No, Savannah Hernandez is a woman, so Alex wouldn't let her do it.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
She's doing it for someone else.
We heard him say that.
We heard him say that out loud.
dan friesen
So she quit and decided to go work for someone who would treat her like a person.
Right.
jordan holmes
Harrison Smith would be found in the toilet with his head under.
Yeah.
He swirlied in a heartbeat.
dan friesen
Yeah, Chase doesn't really work there anymore, so he's not doing it.
jordan holmes
And he's too important.
He owns the shit.
He's not going out there.
dan friesen
Yeah.
No, I don't think he has anybody.
jordan holmes
No, he's fucked.
He has to carry a cam with him and harass people on his own, and he just can't do that anymore.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So instead, just watch other people's videos and then make assumptions about people and get mad about them.
alex jones
So they're the worst of the worst.
White government bureaucrats at every level that think they're the ruling class, and all they are are the minions that sold the country out that now want violence because they want to cloud and pivot and collapse everything.
And they think they're going to come out on top of the wrecked country.
I mean, look at these smiling, idiotic young women.
You know, they've all got two or three college degrees, and they've all got government jobs.
I'll bet my right arm, you ask all those women, what do you do?
Well, I work in the Department of I work of the social media.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
And how many times a month are you going to work?
Well, I sit at home with my thumb up my ass.
And they got these big, stupid Cheshire grins on their faces while they hope for everybody's death that they don't like.
She's hoping Trump's going to have a heart attack.
She didn't lose some weight.
I bet she's had so many Pfizer shots else.
She'll probably be dead in a few months.
Idiot.
dan friesen
Alex is just making up all of this stuff to get mad at about a random person.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And she did say that she wanted Trump to have a heart attack.
That is true.
That's fair enough.
But all the stuff about like, she probably works at a job.
She's going to thumb up her ass.
All that stuff is just from his imagination.
jordan holmes
You know, it's hard to believe women whenever they say things are tougher in the workplace.
Whenever you hear stuff like that, you know, that's a man just saying that this is a highly educated woman who went into public service.
See?
dan friesen
He's mad about it.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, he seems pretty mad about it.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, what do you expect her to do?
She can't be a man on the street reporter because it's too dangerous.
He's got to get into public service.
jordan holmes
It seems almost like her being competent makes him hate her more.
dan friesen
It definitely is not something he likes.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that seems like a problem.
alex jones
He should shesh her cat grin.
jordan holmes
How dare she be happy with trying to help people?
dan friesen
So Alex said that he was going to take some calls.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And he was going to see what Trump's great.
jordan holmes
C plus A plus.
dan friesen
Somewhere in there.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Someone does end up giving him a C-minus.
Now she's not happy about that.
jordan holmes
Oh, mother.
dan friesen
But he gets one call that I thought was fascinating.
This is a woman who got hit by a car at a protest.
alex jones
All right.
dan friesen
And her complaint about it is not great.
unidentified
Okay.
angela in florida
But there was an incident yesterday that I'm a little upset about because it happened to me.
I went to Fort Myers, is where I live at, and on 41 and Daniels, this will give a picture to everybody that lives around here.
I was trying to make it to the end of the crowd so I could come back and start asking questions.
So you could also see how people here in Florida are reacting.
And I didn't even get to make it to the end of the crowd.
One, it was so large, but two, I was going through the crosswalk, and a guy came through, swerved around in between the curb and another car and hit me with his car because of all the rhetoric that is going on.
He thought that I was with the people at No King.
He found out later after the cop came and we filled the report out.
I told the cop, I said, you need to go over there and tell him that I am a Trump supporter and that's who he hit, not one of these people.
He hit a Trump supporter.
So the cop told him that.
And the guy and the cop came back and he said, you know, he's really sorry and would like to talk to you.
And I didn't go over there and talk to him because, one, he didn't get arrested because he was a retired police officer and he should have been.
And two, because I was so upset because of all the rhetoric.
I can't even walk down the street legally in a crosswalk without somebody thinking something and they just want to do whatever they want to do.
And it hurt my feelings more than anything to think that one of my own people hit me with their car and I can't even go and talk to anybody else.
alex jones
Well, listen, listen, hold on, hold on, Angela.
I believe you, and I've been surprised we haven't had Trump supporters do stupid things when we know there's been some of it.
We know about 99% of all the violence has been the left.
But, I mean, I have no doubt that this happened to you.
Are you sure he tried to hit you on purpose?
angela in florida
Yes, I have it on video.
dan friesen
So it really feels to me like this caller thinks that if this retired cop who hit her with a car had hit a leftist protester with the car, it would have been okay.
The only problem is that she is a Trump supporter, so she doesn't deserve that kind of thing.
And the rhetoric in the country has gotten so heated that the people on her side aren't being careful enough about who they hit with their cars.
Instead of feeling like this person is saying, don't hit people with cars, it definitely comes off like her point is, you're hitting the wrong people with cars.
It's fucked up.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't, I can't see any way to listen to that and not go, wrap it up.
Everybody, wrap it up.
We've reached the end.
The number of things that she has inadvertently revealed, along with the fact that she's not even that concerned about the rampant corruption of a retired officer being able to murder people.
dan friesen
Well, she's not happy about it.
jordan holmes
She's bummed about it.
But you know what?
He's also a Trump supporter, so I guess it's fine.
dan friesen
One of my own people.
jordan holmes
I mean, that's see another one of those things.
One of my own people.
That's a real problem.
Wrap it up.
Wrap it up.
That's a wrap, everybody.
We gave it.
They called America the grand experiment.
It's a fucking failure.
You fucked up, you shit founding fathers.
dan friesen
Fuck off.
At the end of all of this, like teasing out all of these threads, I believe that what is under this is her believing herself to be a person and the other people not to be people.
Yeah.
If he had hit somebody who was an Antifa protester or whatever with his car, they probably deserved it.
jordan holmes
Hit a cockroach.
dan friesen
Yeah, even if you want to pretend they're people, they probably threw something at his car.
They deserved it.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
Or whatever.
unidentified
But not me.
dan friesen
I'm a person.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
I'm a Trump supporter.
jordan holmes
I mean, honestly, that is like, boof.
Why ever think that we're the good guys if that woman is here with us?
You know what I'm saying?
dan friesen
Yeah, the thing that sucks so much is that there are kernels of like, I get it.
Like, it sucks that this former cop didn't face any consequences for intentionally hitting you with a car.
jordan holmes
No, exactly.
dan friesen
Like, I would want to agree with you about that.
jordan holmes
No, but you're misunderstanding that by virtue of the first part of your complaint, the second part of your complaint is inevitable.
If you are mad about these no kings people, you have guaranteed yourself getting hit by a cop in some form or fashion sometime.
dan friesen
Yeah, at very least, you're facilitating it, making it more likely.
And it's unfortunate you shouldn't be hit by cars.
But this mentality is crazy.
jordan holmes
Man, I just really think we got to go back to the Nuremberg trials and just be like, sorry, guys.
We had no idea how bad we are.
dan friesen
I think we just need to like, we really need people to understand concepts as opposed to just surface level stuff.
jordan holmes
They just don't.
dan friesen
Yeah.
You know, literacy should make a comeback.
jordan holmes
I mean, Florida is probably the place where we should start.
dan friesen
So Alex gets another call from somebody who has some questions about Charlie Kirk and Israel.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it doesn't go well.
jordan holmes
Uh-oh.
dan friesen
And he goes to commercial and he comes back and he's just like, I don't want to talk about this stuff anymore.
alex jones
All right, let me go back to your phone calls.
And I noticed a bunch of people on the board are calling in about Israel, which is fine.
I'm a big critic of what goes on in Israel.
I heard every time there's an event, there's a pressure campaign to say it's Israel and then to bully people that don't say it's Israel and then a bunch of fake stuff getting put out to make people believe it's Israel.
Israel's got enough bad things it does then to make stuff up.
That's not the department I'm in.
And I don't fake anonymous videos when I see it.
I mean, it is anonymous, what the lady was just talking about.
But look, I don't talk about all the behind-the-scenes stuff I know.
Anytime I want to go to the White House, Marlago, TPS, TPUS event, any of it.
Okay.
For Kirk Daddy, he said, why aren't you calling us?
Why don't you try to come on?
Why don't you come on?
We've reached out.
Why don't you come to more of our events?
I'm like, well, the bankruptcy and family, and I feel like I can do more here.
And, you know, you're doing a great job.
Charlie Kirk has been listening to me for 15 years.
jordan holmes
Is he still?
alex jones
His wife, huge listener, huge fan, super hardcore.
Way more hardcore than you would see them on TV talking about.
Okay.
unidentified
And that's the reality.
alex jones
I was having breakfast with Tucker last Monday up in Maine for a while on the show, and we were talking about he's about to get on a plane that night and flop to have dinner with the vice president and Erica Kirk.
And he was just talking about all their concerns and how hardcore they are and how the battle and how they're confused by a lot of stuff going on.
And I know how, I mean, J.D. Vance five years forever ran for the Senate.
You know, was doing newspaper interviews defending me and talking about the First Amendment, how he loves my show and been listening since he was in college.
I mean, these are real people.
And I know it's fashionable to just say everything's fake and this isn't real or that's not real.
No, these are real people.
dan friesen
So just before this, a caller had asked Alex about a video that she saw on Twitter where a guy with a blurred out face had alleged that Erica Kirk has been working for Israel and it's all part of a larger conspiracy that she was his handler.
alex jones
Okay.
dan friesen
Alex ranted a bit in response to this caller about how anonymous blurred face videos mean nothing and how you have to be more careful with your sources, which is real fun.
It's very, very fun.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's fashionable for people to think things are true.
dan friesen
Right, and they're fake.
jordan holmes
They're old false flags.
dan friesen
I was going to play that initial call, but it ends up being about 10 minutes long, and I'd need to play it uninterrupted, and it's not really worth it.
Suffice it to say that Alex is very offended by this caller suggesting that the anonymous video should be taken seriously.
This is what leads into this clip where Alex is coming back from break and basically saying that he doesn't want to talk about Israel and that everyone in power is cool.
All of these people are great and heroic because they make Alex feel important.
JD Vance is a good vice president because he makes Alex think he's a fan of his dumb show.
If anyone were a longtime listener of Alex's show, or even like kind of brief time listener, they would know that he's severely vulnerable to flattery.
Steve Pachenik explained it to Alex's face how he was a guy who could be compromised by people validating his sense of importance.
Roger Stone essentially took over Infowars by playing into Alex's grandiosity and need to be like a central spoke in the wheel of history.
Alex is an open book in terms of how you can manipulate him.
So I find the argument that these people are great because they pretend to like Alex a little bit thin.
And honestly, I think it makes more of an argument that they're bad actors, that they are evil people, that they are flattering Alex.
If I were Alex, I would be much more worried about that than he is.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
These people are making me feel important.
That's a red flag.
jordan holmes
I mean, just from a purely simple social construct, right?
If I'm with this person and we feel good together, but then whenever I take what I'm with this person out and give it to other people and they get mad at me, but they don't get mad at that person, I'm a shield.
I am not a real person.
I am a wall to protect that person from any kind of criticism.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And like if JD Vance is telling you, hey, I love you.
I've lived, listened to you since college, and like he will go and like host Charlie Kirk's show after he gets killed, but doesn't associate with you in public at all.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
If Trump is supposed to love you and think you're the best, but hasn't appeared publicly with you since 2015, like you gotta kind of ask some questions.
If all of these people, like Benny Johnson and Tucker, they got invited to speak at Charlie Kirk's Memorial and you didn't even get in.
You weren't even invited.
What does that say?
It says you're not in.
jordan holmes
It does.
dan friesen
They're fucking with you.
jordan holmes
It does say that.
It says exactly what a PSA about school bullying would say if you were in sixth grade.
dan friesen
And here's the deal, too.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
If I'm a guy who cut his teeth and made the brand about questioning everything, and being a guy who's like, I smell through the bullshit, I fight corruption.
I find false flags.
I would never trust anyone in power who said they liked me.
jordan holmes
It would be ridiculous.
dan friesen
Because in order to live up to what I am, I can't trust you.
So if you're trying to butter me up, you know that I can't trust you.
Yep.
It's suspicious.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, I don't think that it's always a positive, but having a fairly solid knee-jerk reaction to any sort of flattery as being, what the fuck do you want?
It hasn't hurt me too bad in my life, and it's probably served me pretty well in a lot of situations.
dan friesen
It impedes your ability to connect with people, I think, but it also, in terms of politics, I think is a good instance.
jordan holmes
You're not going to get me.
I think you look well today.
You motherfucker.
No, I don't.
dan friesen
I'm wearing a headband.
jordan holmes
Sorry, sorry.
unidentified
My bad.
My bad.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I was overreacting a little bit.
dan friesen
So, Alex is furious about this video that that caller had brought up.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
This blurred face anonymous video.
And he goes on a bit of a rant about how he could just make his own fake video if he wanted.
jordan holmes
No, he couldn't.
dan friesen
And it's mostly killing time because he doesn't want to take more calls that are mostly about Israel.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
And he is just, fuck.
alex jones
The proof is in the pudding.
Not in anonymous videos with blurred out stuff saying horrible, defamatory things about somebody.
When you see that, it's automatically suspect.
Then you listen to it and how obviously fake it sounds, it's a bad actor.
You know, again, tonight or tomorrow, I can have one of the crew with an iPhone film me.
We'll put it through a voice changer, blur it all out, or blacken my face out, even though I've told everybody I'm going to do it.
Put it out with horrible allegations made up that are 100% false about some Republican official.
And then I could air it on the show.
And right after Eric says that's fake, this is an example of what is bad.
And the media will still clip out what I said and not have the part where I explain it and use my good for evil.
So I'm not even going to do it.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
I probably had 20 phone calls about that video the last four days.
And it actually made me get angry.
Because I've had the same type of stuff done to me.
Anonymous made-up crap by cowards that won't actually stick their face up there to say something to the public.
jordan holmes
I will.
alex jones
I mean, anonymous accounts, anonymous people hiding, and people take that is always the best.
Oh my God.
I just want to go with absolutely unproven, blurred out, obviously fake.
I want this.
I want fake.
I want to be lied to.
I want to be deceived.
dan friesen
Maybe, maybe our mistake is that we have not been anonymous.
Yeah, I think that makes maybe the fact that our names and faces are public.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
We've been on TV.
jordan holmes
Pretty findable.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Maybe that's the problem.
Maybe there's not enough mysteriousness behind us.
jordan holmes
He hates those anonymous guys.
dan friesen
Yeah.
If only we were anonymous, he would probably have a big problem with our podcast.
jordan holmes
I think if we were lieutenant colonels, he might be our fans.
dan friesen
Well, see, that's see, now that's interesting.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because Alex is so mad about these fake fucking videos.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
This is fake video.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
That's kind of his business model.
jordan holmes
It is exactly his business model.
dan friesen
Fake lieutenant colonels telling him things.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
The TFA documents that he's found online.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's like his real problem is that it's an evolution of just saying, I know this guy who says this stuff.
Now you have a fake video of a guy saying this stuff.
dan friesen
Well, and I think not only that, it's also that Alex recognizes it as the thing he does.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he knows that there isn't really a good defense to it because fighting around with it gets you in the mud.
jordan holmes
He would know.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
And he exploits that for his own gain and resents this idea that someone else could be doing something that is he knows to be nebulous and unfightbackable.
unidentified
Mudman, no fight, mudman.
jordan holmes
That's the law of the jungle, right?
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think it's interesting how angry he is about this.
jordan holmes
I mean, it sucks because you're like, oh, this is what everybody says about me.
And that's really not easy to say.
dan friesen
I also think that most of it is him killing time because he doesn't want to take these other calls.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, that sucks.
dan friesen
He thought he was just going to get to talk about how Trump has a really high score, and instead people are like, hey, what's up with Israel?
jordan holmes
What bums me out is that this is like the learning opportunity for these assholes.
This is the number one learning opportunity for them.
Life is so much more fun whenever you've got like a Hillary to yell about.
You know, you're not having fun.
You're not having fun defending yourself about Israel.
What are you talking about?
It's Hillary's fault.
Let it live there.
Don't try and get power ever.
You're bad at it.
dan friesen
I think, especially, yeah, if you're someone who's in the lane that Alex is in, the lengths that you're going to have to go to to turn like left-wing protesters into the most powerful entity in the world.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like that the devil is running.
Like it's no good.
You should always be out of power or else your whole game looks fucking stupid.
jordan holmes
The most famously toothless thing that people have done for the past hundred odd years, you're going to try and turn into a Soros run genius operation.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
It's implausible, stupid, and like you're saying, it's not fun.
He's not having any fun.
jordan holmes
It's no fun.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
It's no fun.
I get that you want to feel like it's real, but it's not.
So just have fun.
You know?
dan friesen
Well, unfortunately, reality does, it does exist.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that is a problem.
dan friesen
And one of the realities that Alex is going to have to deal with is that he has a boss now, and that's Chase.
jordan holmes
Uh-oh.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I mean, it's not official or anything.
jordan holmes
It's not official.
dan friesen
But there's things that you see.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And really, this last clip is kind of where I want things to be.
I want us to think about this.
Chew on this.
jordan holmes
Okay, okay.
alex jones
I'm out of time.
You know what?
I bet Chase wants me to hold over.
He always invites me to hold over.
Ask Chase if he's good with that.
If not, I don't care.
It's fine.
He's got a loaded show, though, and tons of clips of news.
He went out and showed No Kings protest himself and got incredible footage you're about to see, Chase Geyser.
But see if Chase wants me to hold over because I'm going to go to Kenny on No Kings.
dan friesen
Chase is hosting the show after Alex, and Alex needs to ask permission.
Alex has a subservience to Chase.
He would always be like, I'm going to take the first half hour from Owen.
I'm going to hold over.
He never had that kind of courtesy for other people.
jordan holmes
What a wild.
And this is one of Owen's biggest complaints.
This motherfucker would just walk onto my show, whatever, and now he's listening to Alex and go, Chase, can I stay?
Can I stay over?
My parents says it's okay.
dan friesen
I don't think he's going to mind, but run it by ask, you know, maybe Chase will let me take these calls on his show that I didn't take on mine.
jordan holmes
And Chase is totally prepared for it, too.
He's done his own little videos.
God, Chase is going to run InfoWars in two years.
dan friesen
Maybe already.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's just going to have the whole thing.
dan friesen
I get the feeling of subordinates.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
From that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
That's not free, Alex.
jordan holmes
That's not steamrolling, Alex.
That's not this.
All of this network is my time.
I give you this time, but it is my time to take away.
Oh, that's Chase's time.
So I must ask if I can have some of it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I think that it's reflective of whether or not Chase is actually his boss.
Alex is captured.
Alex is entirely at the whim of Bigley and by extension, Chase.
And it's kind of funny in a sense, because I think what I hope the next evolution of his show is, is a combative relationship between him and Bigley.
That would be like back in the old days of radio, he'd have like Howard Stern and.
jordan holmes
My boss just say I can't do this, but you know what?
unidentified
Here we go!
Exactly.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And that's fucking good radio.
jordan holmes
It is good radio.
It is good radio.
dan friesen
If we can sort of navigate into a territory where like Chase is the program director who's just like, oh, Alex, you got to clean up your act.
If we could do that, that would be so good.
jordan holmes
Like a late night.
Okay, all right.
I got you.
dan friesen
Chase is the suit.
jordan holmes
Chase would be fun.
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's a guy who's like, Alex, you swear too much out here.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's like, fuck you.
I'm going to.
jordan holmes
He'd be Ripped Torn and Larry Summers.
That's who he'd be.
The Larry Summers show.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Or Larry Sanders.
dan friesen
Or he could actually have his Howard Beal network kind of thing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, he could live this.
jordan holmes
He could.
dan friesen
With his own employee being his boss.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Here's what I would also accept, right?
I would also accept him going away and then Chase turning it into like a weird buttercream gang version of InfoWars, where he's just kind of way more wholesome and just doesn't really touch on too much, likes to give British Baking Show reviews, like does the whole thing.
Just like pulls it all back.
dan friesen
And then two years from now, what's that smell?
Oh, that's Tito's.
unidentified
Uh-oh.
dan friesen
Door gets a kid.
jordan holmes
What?
Now that's what you got to do.
You got to go away to come back, kid.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I just hope he has a miserable working situation in the future and that it turns into that.
That's kind of my fantasy for what could be interesting out of this content.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I like him seething uncontrollably while Chase Geyser has no idea that it's going on at all.
dan friesen
And him not being able to really give voice to it because he realizes how screwed he is.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
How out of control he is of his own career and his own business.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
That'd be fun.
jordan holmes
That would be fun.
dan friesen
So we'll see if it goes down that path.
Let's hope.
But, you know, until then, when we check in next, we have a website.
jordan holmes
Indeed, we do.
It's KnowledgeFight.com.
dan friesen
Yep.
We'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I am the mysterious professor.
alex jones
Yeah, woo!
jordan holmes
Yeah, woo.
dan friesen
And now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your work.
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