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Oct. 17, 2025 - Knowledge Fight
01:42:10
#1085: Tucker, The Man And His Texan

In this installment, Dan and Jordan tune in for Alex's most recent interview with The Most Important Man In The World, which touches on important issues like how white people aren't racist enough and how the US should have stayed out of World War II.

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a
alex jones
18:58
d
dan friesen
48:43
j
jordan holmes
23:28
t
tucker carlson
08:47
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unidentified
Run alert alert alert alert knowledge fire Dan and Jordan I am sweating KnowledgeParty.com.
alex jones
It's time to pray.
unidentified
I have great respect for knowledge fight.
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys.
Shang me or the bad guys.
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
Need money.
Andy and Panzer.
And stop it.
Andy and Panzer.
Andy and Panzer.
And it's time to pray.
Andy and hands with sure on the airplane.
andy in kansas
Hello, Alex.
I'm a big thing.
dan friesen
I love your room.
unidentified
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledgefight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Zelene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today, buddy?
dan friesen
My bright spot today.
Uh might as well uh talk about MacGyver.
Might as well watch episode five.
jordan holmes
Alright.
dan friesen
Still strong.
Still going strong.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
One kiss.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Um, so he's up to seven.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Uh, still quite I mean, he's ahead of the game.
jordan holmes
Same.
I'm assuming it's a different lady.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
For for what in what context are we getting smooches this time.
dan friesen
I don't remember.
I just remember it happened.
jordan holmes
Okay, fair enough.
Fair enough.
dan friesen
Oh, no, no, I do.
Okay.
But the context that I would need to.
Okay, I'll just give it to you.
jordan holmes
Go for it.
dan friesen
They're sitting in the front seat of a convertible.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
That has fallen out of a plane.
And there's a parachute, a giant parachute, so they're like floating to the ground.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
And she's very excited, so they kiss.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
So I assume, and I assume they're floating flat as opposed to being vertical, as you would imagine.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
How it would go.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
jordan holmes
Alright.
dan friesen
Yeah, perfectly balanced.
jordan holmes
Perfectly balanced for a nice kiss.
dan friesen
Sitting there uh in a convertible with a trunk full of diamonds.
jordan holmes
Like a hot air balloon kind of situation.
That would be romantic.
dan friesen
Actually, in uh in uh the last episode, MacGyver did escape from a place in a hot air balloon.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Which I thought was so inefficient.
jordan holmes
It's a wildly boy.
It would be hard to it would be hard to chase somebody in a in a hot air balloon and not go like, well, I mean, let's have a picnic first.
We'll catch up.
dan friesen
So in this episode, a guy who runs a casino stole 200 pounds of diamonds.
That's a lot of fun from uh international aid.
It was supposed to like the money uh that involved with these diamonds was supposed to go to feeding uh uh famine country fuckers that uh is experiencing a famine, and so he stole it and uh he's gonna sell it on uh you know make uh make a lot of money.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah.
dan friesen
So McGyver has to break into his casino, find out where the diamonds are, and once he does find out that they're in the guy's private suite, he concocts an elaborate system where he pours the diamonds down a rain gutter uh and then they all go into the trunk of this car.
jordan holmes
Genius.
dan friesen
Yeah.
While the woman uh that he is working with is pulling off an elaborate distraction to cause a riot at the casino.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Um man, it's good.
jordan holmes
That's great.
dan friesen
It's just good stuff.
jordan holmes
That sounds great.
That sounds like fun.
It sounds like I I've I genuinely have forgotten what TV was like whenever it was just silly and fun like that.
Now it's either silly and serious about being silly, like, hey, we're absurd.
This isn't a joke.
This is crazy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Or it's all soap operas.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I'm still not sure who he is, what he does, or anything.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But there's something about 1985 that I fucking love, and that is that they do not quite care about lasers.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But they know they're powerful.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
So in one episode, he used a laser, like it's a mirror.
Sure.
And he reflected the laser back at itself, and then it exploded.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
That was great.
jordan holmes
Can't do can't lasers can't do that.
They know each they know they can't do that.
dan friesen
And in this episode, the guy has a penthouse.
jordan holmes
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
And he has like uh laser, like a trip alarm kind of thing.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
So if you walk through this doorway with the late the laser Alarm goes off.
So what MacGyver does is he takes a tube, right?
jordan holmes
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
And he puts the laser in one end of the tube.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
And then bends it.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
So he can duck under the lake.
jordan holmes
I don't think that's how that works.
dan friesen
He connects it at both sides, though, so the laser is is being directed through this tube.
jordan holmes
Right.
No, I get that.
I get that.
And maybe that is how that works.
dan friesen
It's great.
jordan holmes
But also maybe that would just trip out anyways.
unidentified
Oh, yeah, definitely.
jordan holmes
Probably just trip it.
dan friesen
It's silly, but it's also not like so it it it's not.
I believe someone could have thought that would work in 85.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, I mean, and the TV, yeah.
Those the premises were just always so great.
This guy has a helicopter.
The end.
That is the show.
This man solves problems using his helicopter.
Great.
dan friesen
Perfect.
This guy is just cool.
jordan holmes
He's just really good at stuff in a pinch.
dan friesen
And literally everything.
Yeah.
And good on him.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So what's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
Uh my bright spot is uh uh we talked about it uh a while back.
I was looking forward to Hades 2 and uh Final Fantasy Tactics.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And I was playing Hades 2 for a while, but then I got back into tactics, and man, it's just one of the it's just so great.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's so great.
And I was thinking about what makes it so great from a storytelling perspective, and it does have one of my favorite things to do, uh, which is the story is not the story.
Right?
You're playing somebody else's side character.
You've got your own whole thing going on, right?
But beside you is the is the actual King Arthur, the guy who's going to become the king, the guy who's going on that whole hero's journey to to defeat this guy and yada yada yada.
And you're over here, and your story intersects with the that one, like uh it comes in and out, you know?
It's always around you, but you're on this different quest entirely.
dan friesen
It feels kind of like Skyrim, the way that the like the world is existing in this civil war kind of thing, but then also you're doing your old dragon thing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's it's whenever you whenever you've got a straightforward plot where you start from one point and you end at another, right?
One of the great ways to make it feel like there's a lot of twists and turns if is if your setting is the plot of another book.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Right?
So it's like, well, I'm just I'm going from room to room in this house, basically.
Each room is like a new encounter.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
But the way it makes me feel like I'm twisting and turning on uh on the the ocean is because that other guy is just running by me going like ah and then he's gone.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's great.
dan friesen
Well, I I I know I told you I would play it, and I've I've yet to do that.
But one of these days I will.
I I'm I'm based on everything you said and everybody else has said, I I can't imagine how I would be disappointed.
jordan holmes
I don't I just don't know how to build it up more because if you don't like it, fine, whatever, you're wrong.
That's how great it is.
dan friesen
That's fair.
That's fair.
I have that feeling about some things.
I will I will hear no negative talk about it.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Um and I I respect that other people have their things.
jordan holmes
They can be done.
dan friesen
Um so I'll check that out.
Uh I've also been playing a little Hades too.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Uh, I'm enjoying it.
It's fun.
jordan holmes
It's good stuff.
It's like Hades, but it's more.
dan friesen
It's almost exactly like Hades, but more.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's great.
dan friesen
Nuts.
So uh Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And uh we're gonna talk about something.
But first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, uh, my partner is Alex and I'm Nick.
Lately, we've thrown countless white supremacist quotes on each other while y'all were talking about Jones and Fuentes, signed two wonks with unfortunate names.
Thank you so much, you're now policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Uh, next to the one and only Shub Nugaroth the first.
You have made us happy beyond what we thought was possible.
You've enriched our lives so much that we cannot express it in words.
We salute you and we'll forever be members of the cult of Shub Nugaroth the first.
We miss you, Anita uh Atina Roberto and Dalek.
Thank you so much.
You're now policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next Mickle, but oh God, don't say it like it rhymes with nickel.
It's pronounced like Michael.
Thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
I played along with that one.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Uh and we got a technical right in the mix, Jordan.
So thank you so much too.
Shout out to DJ Danarchy.
The opening still slaps on 1.5 speed.
Big up to uh to Dan's mom for getting uh him to keep the full version.
Jordan's wife for turning him into a wife guy is my permanent bright spot.
All meows be to Celine and Jordan, can I please get a throwback?
Hi, Carrie.
Thank you so much.
You're now technocrat.
Hi, Carrie!
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars.
alex jones
Someone someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
Daddy Sharp.
bom bom.
Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black action.
unidentified
He's a loser, little little kitty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
So, Jordan.
Big news uh this week around InfoWars.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
The Supreme Court once again officially refused to hear an appeal of Alex's defamation cases where he lost by default judgment.
In terms of the court, there are no more moves for him to make.
And for the most part, Alex is just kind of waiting for the other shoe to fall so he can get on with it.
In the current status quo, he has to keep InfoWars running for two reasons.
One, if he just abandoned the company and moved on to his new fake businesses, it would destroy the idea that he's operating in good faith in the bankruptcy court, and it could lead the courts to consider treating the new businesses, these fake businesses, as extensions of InfoWars, and thus they might end up becoming subject to the bankruptcy.
jordan holmes
You bet.
dan friesen
Two, the audience needs to see him be forced out of InfoWars, which is to say that he can't leave on his own.
His entire life has been a build-up to being Colonel Travis at the Alamo, and this is basically his only shot to capture those optics.
Alex can't afford to blow this spectacle, and he knows that his audience would feel pretty let down if he voluntarily left the studio, so someone needs to drag him out.
Interestingly, the worst thing that could happen to Alex right now is for this to go on longer.
Every day he has to keep InfoWars open is a day he's losing some amount of money on the crew and the overhead of that dumb studio, so he has to be really hoping that people come to seize his shit soon.
As I've said a bunch, the primary mission for Alex right now is customer migration and making sure that most people possible go to this new app and his new website.
If he can get a relatively close number of customers to make that jump with him, he'll be able to continue doing the same kind of bullshit he's been doing, but with uh the huge expenses that InfoWars brought with it uh limited.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Because he'll just be doing a podcast or lowering the overhead for his ridiculous business would make more sense than any other choice he could make.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And thus, it wasn't too surprising to see that Alex was out of studio earlier this week.
He has more important tasks than his own show right now, between the legal stuff and the need to drum up attention for the new site.
As Alex has become entirely untethered to any pretense of caring about his precious constitution, I'm sure the audience has noticed that I've had a little bit less interest in him too.
He's only a compelling figure so long as he's presenting a perspective that you can disagree with, but you have to accept is rooted in some sincere belief.
Once that grounding is taken away, then there's no standard to judge a person by.
Everything Alex says is a lie.
Not because it's all lies, but because if circumstances require it, anything he said can be disowned, and it doesn't matter.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
During the front uh first Trump term, Alex probably wanted Trump to do a lot of the shit that he's doing now, but the difference is he is doing it now.
In the abstract, with someone like Alex, it's hard to take his shit talk too seriously.
He sold shirts that said lock her up, but you kind of got the sense that if Trump legit arrested Hillary, Alex might have thought that was going too far.
January 6th is a perfect embodiment of this tension where he spent months leading Stop the Steel protests and screaming about how the election was stolen, but when the rubber hit the road and people were storming the Capitol, he was on a bullhorn trying to stop them.
The business always came first, and having a tyrant in office was bad for business.
Overthrowing the 2020 election and killing Democratic senators in a riot at the Capitol, that would have been bad for business.
And I think this is part of what's fundamentally changed.
Trump just is the business now.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is it.
As I've been losing my interest in Alex, I've simultaneously been picking up much more interest in Tucker Carlson, who's clearly decided that he wants to be the next Alex.
He's been attacked by a demon.
He's building a media empire funded by bizarre low rung but loyal sponsors, and right now he's in the middle of releasing a five-part documentary series about what really happened on 9-11.
jordan holmes
That actually is Alex Jones.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's Alex's whole thing.
dan friesen
He's wearing his skin.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's crazy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And if Tucker succeeds in the pivot that he's In the middle of, Alex will officially be entirely obsolete.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
He will just be a guy who's bald who's doing Tucker.
Tucker will have stolen his entire spirit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, because he used to be he used to be able at the very least to do something that Tucker could never do, which is throw hatchets at shit.
dan friesen
Be free.
jordan holmes
Right.
But now he can't even do that.
dan friesen
Not really.
jordan holmes
He's weak.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's it's like um, you know, Glenn Beck can uh pretend to be me, but he will never be me.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Now it's like Tucker is just you.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
You're you're pretending to be you.
If anybody's pretending to be you, it's you.
dan friesen
Damn.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
So I've been watching more Tucker, and guess what the fuck happened?
Alex popped up as a guest again.
jordan holmes
Damn it.
dan friesen
I'm trying to get some space from this ding dong, and he won't leave me alone.
So today we're gonna talk about uh Alex uh being on Tucker.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, great.
dan friesen
He just I I understand that I do a podcast about Alex Jones.
Sure.
But I feel like he's following me.
jordan holmes
That's yeah, it shouldn't be that way.
It's supposed to go the other direction at at worst.
dan friesen
I'm trying to like get some breathing space by going and like going to a different bar than they usually go to, go over to the Tucker bar.
Alex just ends up showing up with some other friends at the Tucker Bar.
God damn it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I've never imagined imagine the idea of somebody like lightly stalking you, and your response to that is just being like, Oh, you think you know how to stalk, motherfucker?
I'm in your bathroom and just going way too hard on it.
dan friesen
It's like that uh that uh uh episode of uh Tenacious D, the old uh HBO show where they have a fan who they think is a stalker, and then they end up stalking.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yep, yeah, I remember that.
dan friesen
Um so uh we start off uh Tucker saying hello to Alex.
unidentified
Welcome him to Demented Mayberry.
tucker carlson
Alex Jones, ladies and gentlemen, I'm really glad to have you back.
alex jones
It's always great to be with you and your wonderful crew in Florida, but Maine is my favorite.
This is truly a little slice of Mayberry.
tucker carlson
Mildly demented Mayberry.
Um, thank you.
dan friesen
Gotta love that guitar.
jordan holmes
Man.
He should not be allowed to steal that down home country ass bullshit.
dan friesen
Yeah, let him have it.
I don't give a shit.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
So uh the most of the beginning of the episode where they where they jump in is talking about Russia.
Sure.
Talking about how uh NATO is bad and Russia is uh very good.
jordan holmes
They're great.
dan friesen
Um and so I they they come to a position that I think is really interesting, and that is that supporting uh the Ukraine is actually anti-Europe.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
alex jones
And then now, as I predicted, it was the next move, NATO claims that Russia is going into the zero phase or zero hour, and that uh NATO's now putting out propaganda the last 48 hours, that Russia has pre-positioned undercover special forces all over Europe preparing terror attacks and mass casualty uh events, and that Russia is preparing to attack Europe proper, which of course is completely insane uh to to do that offensively.
And and and so that's the pattern of the preparation for false flags uh that will then be blamed on Russia as the pretext uh uh to invoke the articles in NATO that ranks NATO directly into war, and then if the United States is still part of NATO, uh that will drag us directly into war with Russia that will quickly escalate the thermonuclear war in every major war game there is, twice with Elon Musk and Senator uh Lee that it's time for us to get out of NATO.
tucker carlson
Immediately.
If you take three steps back, so Europe has no reason to fight Russia at all.
Europe has every reason to cooperate with Russia, at least on energy, but on a lot of things, probably it refuses Russia's now formed an alliance probably permanent with China.
And so it and Ukraine, of course, can't win.
They don't have the manpower.
Um they never could.
So if you're escalating the war at this point, if you're promoting the war at this point, it seems to me your goal is to destroy Europe.
dan friesen
So obviously a huge part of this show is how great Russia is and how bad Ukraine is, because that's an important piece of Alex and Tucker's politics right now.
Tucker's argument is fine if you take out the part where Russia invaded Ukraine and Ukraine is our ally.
They aren't in NATO, but we and other countries in Europe have relations with them, and they were invaded.
He can say that Europe has no reason to fight with Russia, but they actually do.
In order for Tucker to hold this position, he has to think that it's fine for countries to invade their neighbors and that it only makes sense to provide aid to allies if they're gonna win a conflict.
Tucker just supports Russia and Putin, but he's not willing to own that position because he knows he couldn't defend many of the points he'd have to deal with if he just came out with it.
So he does bullshit like this and pretends, oh, there's no reason why they would uh have a problem with this this invasion.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, and I would say to to the last point, um you know I would argue that the Taliban won.
So I think really at a certain point it's just to like as long as you spend a lot more money than you can realistically afford to spend trying to take over an hour of our uh you know, an hour of driving space.
I think you probably lost.
dan friesen
I think Tucker has interesting and evolving positions on the Taliban over the years.
jordan holmes
I bet I bet he does.
dan friesen
So Alex is uh he's like this Russia stuff, uh Israel with all this stuff.
No, no, no.
We should focus on China.
It's gotta be China.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
It was been the policy in the United States since the fifties, right through Nixon, right to Reagan, right through Herbert Walker Bush, right until uh just the last five years or so to split China from Russia.
tucker carlson
Of course.
alex jones
And that is a very good policy, and you have China that is actually expanding all over the South China Sea, just cut off 95% of rural minerals to the world, including the US.
Serious act of war, absolutely vital in everything we do for folks who don't know.
Nothing works.
Cell phones, computers, uh avionics and aircraft, everything, satellites is based on those.
That's all their question.
How is China allowed to position itself for ninety-five percent plus control of Earth minerals?
That's a serious act of war.
So their expansion is taking islands of the Philippines, taking drilling rigs, uh, you know, off the coast of uh Vietnam.
All that's happening.
They just put a communist government or trying to fully in South Korea.
So China is on the move, and everything should be focused on them.
It is a strategic blunder of biblical proportions, uh to be roped into the Soros NATO war, but NATO and the EU unelected commission has said from years that Europe's demographics and finances are the worst of any first world nation or sector.
And so they say their business model is a 20 to 30 year war, conventional with Russia, that they believe will allow them to stay on a war economy and will finally break Russia, and then they will break Russia into five parts.
That's official EU commission policy.
dan friesen
So right here would be a good time for a sincere interviewer to ask Alex where he was getting this twenty to thirty year EU commission policy from.
It's stated policy, so there must be a primary source that Alex is pulling from, right?
You'd think he'd be able to produce this quite easily.
jordan holmes
It would ha it otherwise it wouldn't be stated.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
The stated part means that it has been stated.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
The EU commission is a real body that puts out white papers, so if it's their policy, then it should be super easy to back this up.
jordan holmes
Especially if they stated it.
dan friesen
The EU commission put out a white paper titled European Defense Readiness 2030, and I'm kind of suspicious that Alex took the 20 and 30 from there.
It's the year 2030.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that uh that I wish that didn't sound so right.
dan friesen
It's about how the EU uh countries need to enact a plan of defensive rearming in the face of Russia's invasion of Ukraine, but it doesn't say that they need a twenty to thirty year war for economic or demographic reasons.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
The idea that the EU was planning a twenty to thirty year war with Russia is a big deal.
And if Alex could prove it, it would go a long way towards proving that the EU side here doesn't have pure intentions in the conflict.
So that's something that Tucker should be eager to show everyone.
You notice that he doesn't ask a follow-up about this or press Alex on it because he knows that Alex is bluffing all this shit, and it only works if you don't question it.
Just go along with it.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Act like, oh my God.
jordan holmes
Because it doesn't matter if it's true or not.
You're not interested in the truth of what you're saying.
The only thing that matters is I am saying this, Russia good, Europe bad.
This is the bullshit I'm making up.
You say it later to somebody else.
It doesn't matter.
I don't care.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And uh Alex has a posture too of just like he's just saying just saying stuff.
You know, like it's just dull.
He wants to be taken seriously.
Right.
And Tucker having to sit there and play straight man to that is awful.
It's it's just an embarrassing setup for both uh participants.
Um, but you know, they talk about what they need to talk about, which is that uh, you know, Christendom is under attack.
jordan holmes
Of course it is.
alex jones
Then the question is why is the unelected commission and the US neocons and left fully supporting this commitment to totally because they want to destroy Christian civilization.
tucker carlson
That's why.
This is why they got behind the first and second world wars, and it's why the lesson that they taught us in school was that it's dangerous to have a big white Christian country, which it's not, actually.
And I don't think they taught you that lesson.
alex jones
And Russia is a very Christian nation, very pro-Western, and the left hates that.
And so now they they exactly.
How do they turn over the chessboard when the Hollywood satanic globalist black rocket leader failing is you kamikaze, the Russians in America and Europe, uh, into a giant clumactic war while the globalists sit back and watch us all kill each other.
tucker carlson
That's totally right.
I think that's totally right.
Why are we participating in it?
Why would the U.S. government ever send long-range missiles?
Why would that basically if we send those munitions to Ukraine, we're an open war.
We've been at war with Russia for three and a half years, as you know, but that would just be open war.
Why would why would we go along with that?
dan friesen
So you can see from this clip that the conversation that they're interested in having is one about white Christian identity, not anything about geopolitics.
So let's just dispense with that illusion.
As for why the U.S. might be sending Tomahawk missiles to Ukraine, that's a question for Tucker and Alex's chosen leader.
Biden didn't do that.
The globalists didn't do that.
Their daddy is the one who's talking about that, which is weird considering that he had that whole PR spectacle like six months ago where he yelled at and humiliated Zelensky in the White House.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Seems like this Trump guy is inconsistent and dangerous.
Oh well.
Probably the globalists' fault.
jordan holmes
I wish there was some sort of mechanism that it would be like, hey, listen, you'd have to be an idiot looking at the the history of humanity and not think, well, we're gonna give an idiot too much power, right?
That happens 100% of the time in all historic governments, we're gonna give an idiot too much power.
So what we gotta do is we gotta build into our system a system that will correct for when that idiot gets into power.
Well, just have it there if it needs to be declared, I'm sure people will have the backbone necessary to declare it.
dan friesen
In case of idiot break glass.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yep.
Yep.
dan friesen
Well, you know, like fires happen, and that's why you have sprinklers and uh extinguishers.
jordan holmes
Yep.
It is it sucks.
It sucks knowing that we have a fire extinguisher, but everybody around it is like, it could get hot.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And it sucks that you're having to watch people like Alex and Tucker, who were like set the fire and started screaming about burn, burn!
Yeah, and they love the fire.
jordan holmes
Oh, they love it.
dan friesen
And now they're pointing out that there's a fire.
jordan holmes
Well, it's not our fault that there's a fire.
dan friesen
Yeah, fuck you, dude.
jordan holmes
Fuck you.
dan friesen
So uh the U.S. uh continues to recognize Zelensky as the leader in Ukraine, but like why?
tucker carlson
Why would the U.S. government continue to recognize Zelensky, who's an unelected dictator who's worked for years to destroy Christianity in Ukraine, which is a Christian country and has always been, why would he be invited to the White House this week?
I don't understand.
He does not have a democratic mandate.
He's not an elected leader.
He's a murderer.
They've sold our weapons to some of the worst terror groups in the world, and we're treating him like he's a head of state.
Like, why are we doing that?
alex jones
And just what a few weeks ago, three weeks ago, he was back at the White House, and Trump then posted true social.
Well, not love Trump overall, but Trump started doing a 180 from saying we need to get out of this, is saying, well, we're out of it, but we'll sell whatever weapons to Europe you want.
And I feel like Ukraine's gonna win and maybe not just get back its territory, but get more territory, meaning Russia, uh, which is an extremely uh provocative and escalatory statement to Russia.
dan friesen
That's your guy, asshole.
Like if Trump didn't want to recognize Zelensky as the leader of Ukraine, he could just do that tomorrow.
It's pretty clear that he can just do whatever he wants, and then the government has to play catch-up to decide if the things that he did were legal, and then that's mostly just paperwork for posterity.
I guess the question I would ask Tucker is if Zelensky isn't the president of Ukraine, who is?
Is there another person there who claims to be the leader or is the head of the opposition party who wants to be recognized?
Or do people actually support Zelensky?
There are a ton of political parties in Ukraine, and Zelensky has gotten some heat for banning 19 of them.
It's debatable whether or not this is appropriate, and under ideal circumstances, you wouldn't want to do this, but these were parties that had ties to Putin and Russia who were in the middle of invading Ukraine.
The other accusation about him being anti-democratic is that the planned election in 2024 was canceled.
Pretty much every leader in Ukraine, pro Zelensky or not, agrees that in a wartime condition like the one they're in, it would be impossible to hold a free and fair election.
jordan holmes
It would just be logistically impossible.
dan friesen
Yes.
A poll conducted by sociological centrist Sosis in uh February 2025 found that 63% of Ukrainians did not want to hold an election until the war was over.
You can say that not having an election is undemocratic, but there's also an argument that in this position it's the most democratic thing you can do.
jordan holmes
I mean, the idea of trying to hold an election while another country is actively inside your country would suggest that they could probably do some serious damage to the accuracy of your vote count.
dan friesen
It would be impossible to poll certain places.
tucker carlson
Right.
jordan holmes
Which is like, well, then we're not having a free and fair election.
dan friesen
No.
So in terms of being anti-Christian, that's also not true.
In 2024, Zelensky's government passed a bill that outlawed organizations that maintain ties with Moscow and Putin.
This included religious organizations, most notably the Ukrainian Orthodox Church.
Members of the UOC have been charged with uh storing weapons for Russian troops and churches and revealing Ukrainian troop movements in sermons.
Certainly the Ukrainian Orthodox Church is a large entity, and not all of their members are covertly supporting an invading country, so this tension between the UOC and Ukraine's government is probably larger than it needs to be.
At the core of the issue is that the UOC has removed their connection to the Russian Orthodox Church from their charter, but the Russian Orthodox Church hasn't removed them from what they consider to be their constellation of churches.
Ukraine considers them to be an offshoot of the Russian Orthodox Church unless that status is removed and the UOC believes that they've done everything that they need to do on their part.
So it this isn't as simple as Tucker wants it to be.
Like with pretending that Zelensky is anti-Christian, but it also would be unfair to say that Zelensky's move here doesn't deserve some criticism.
tucker carlson
Sure.
dan friesen
It's always a dicey move to have a state oppose a church from a just purely strategic standpoint.
You're not going to be able to get the church get rid of it.
jordan holmes
It's always tough.
dan friesen
It's follower the followers aren't just gonna go somewhere else because you told them to.
jordan holmes
When people challenged the Pope because they thought they had all the power, they learned a lot of bad things about how much power they had.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's not a good idea.
Even if you think everything with the move of like being like this church is out, this is correct.
Even if you think that's cool, you're creating a like increasingly hostile religious entity inside your borders.
And in some ways that could make the initial problem that you were trying to solve worse.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So it it it may be a no-win situation that Zelensky finds himself in.
Yeah.
But those actions are not an attempt to crush crush Christendom.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Or whatever the fuck uh Tucker and Alex are going on about.
jordan holmes
No, it's what's funny about it is that it's the inverse of what we were told on okay, so Russia's doing in Iraq right now, essentially, right?
And we're hearing about uh Iraq from uh places that aren't the United States.
So we're not used to that, right?
But essentially, like there's there's no difference between that thought of like, oh, they're gonna meet us as as uh meet us as uh uh liberators, right?
Okay.
So if you feel like you've got an unelected government that's taking over and fighting a war with the warriors of the other team in your house, join them and get rid of your government.
They're already there.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That's yeah, and it's not a coincidence that uh Tucker was in favor of the Iraq war.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Because they're gonna greet us as liberators.
And now is like, well, these people are uh toiling under an unelected government.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Seems like he's good at this.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
So uh like I said though, too, like the fundamental problem that he's seeming to have, this question is why why do we continue to recognize Zelensky?
And it's like your guy can do anything.
jordan holmes
I mean, we're past the point where you can say, like, I don't know what the government like, you know, back in the day you could be like, oh, Congress is telling the president not to do it.
dan friesen
All this red tape.
jordan holmes
Or the Supreme Court, we have to wait until the Supreme Court rules next year.
Or we have to do this.
And now it's like, nope, your guy just said it, and then people did it, so it's on you.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And then everyone is chasing behind trying to pick up pieces and shit.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Um, yeah, and like I I think it would be a lot more compelling for Tucker to have this kind of position that could be a little bit out of step with the Trump administration if he didn't share the stage with half of the administration at Charlie Kirk's funeral memorial service thing.
Like if he didn't call Trump daddy on the campaign trail, like all this bullshit.
jordan holmes
It's about making change from the inside, Dan.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex asks Tucker an inconvenient question.
And uh almost like clockwork something happens.
alex jones
And we know that Putin agreed actually to the framework of what Trump wanted, but Zelensky and NATO have refused.
And so we have to ask the calculus of why the president, who's you know, Mr. Peace Prize has done a great job helping in seven other conflicts, which I totally support.
Why is he suddenly uh changing course, Tucker?
You know a lot better than I do.
tucker carlson
So did you know that before the current generation, chips and fries were cooked in natural fats like beef tallow.
That's how things used to be done.
dan friesen
Okay.
In professional media circles, this is what's known as a strategic commercial break.
Tucker is not on TV or radio, so he doesn't have to cut to hard breaks.
It's entirely at his own discretion.
He chose to go to a commercial there because Alex just asked a direct question that implicates Tucker's inside knowledge of how the administration is justifying supporting Ukraine, and Tucker doesn't want to answer uh that question.
He doesn't want the he doesn't want the connective tissue of whatever he says next and that question.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
This is a basic misdirect.
It's an inconvenient and uncomfortable question.
So throw an ad in there, and when you come back, you can pick up wherever you want.
You can just jump to an entirely different part of the conversation, or you can play Tucker's answer, knowing that the audience will have largely forgotten what Alex asked because they were just sold beef tallow.
So we come back from commercial, and here's what Tucker's answer to that question appears to be.
tucker carlson
Fertishop in person in October.
Moss is going to be available at your local Sprouts Supermarket.
So stop by and pick up a bag before we eat them all.
And we eat a lot.
Why the attraction to Zelensky?
Why does our foreign policy class or donor class have this fixation on Zelensky?
He's a hero.
By the way, I've tried to interview him like twenty times.
He he refused to interview with me, but he he's you know, everywhere in the United States, basically American at this point.
Why the what's the appeal there?
alex jones
I think it's the money laundering appeal.
dan friesen
If that is the answer that he gave to Alex's question, it would feel jarring.
Uh that question being asked and then him just asking a question back.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I would strongly suspect something was cut out there.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it was it felt a little bit like we were in a car following another car, and then that car crossed over some train tracks, and then the train crossed over, and it's like we're just stuck there waiting to see what happens.
I don't know where we're gonna find this car again, but we're gonna we're not gonna find it where it's supposed to be.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I think that if uh Tucker didn't have a long and documented history of editing things that are inconvenient for the message that he wants to put out, I'd be less suspicious of that very suspicious commercial.
jordan holmes
Yeah, so you know the guy.
Why is he doing this stuff?
Cut to commercial.
dan friesen
So um they start talking about 9-11, because Tucker's doing a five-part series on 9-11.
jordan holmes
Never forget.
dan friesen
And uh Alex talks about how the uh the neocons they did it.
tucker carlson
Oh.
dan friesen
Uh Tucker was a neocon.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he was super a neocon.
alex jones
Yeah.
If he really studied 9-11, and at the end of the day, it was an alliance of Israeli neocons and US neocons that bare minimum used an attack to build a larger attack around it for the Project for American Century to take us into the past Americana war in the Middle East, and of course, and that's where we, you know, ten trillion dollars later, whatever it is, I think it's eleven trillion or more, are in this.
tucker carlson
That's not a theory.
I was there.
I I mean, I shared an office space for the Project for New American Century.
It worked at the weekly standards.
jordan holmes
You sure did?
dan friesen
Yes.
tucker carlson
Uh that is just a fact.
That happened.
dan friesen
This is a huge problem.
If Tucker was sharing office space with the Project for a New American Century and he can vouch that they were plotting 9-11 as a false flag in order to justify a wider war because he was there and he knew these guys, then Tucker's actions supporting the Iraq war aren't really an error in judgment anymore.
If what Tucker is saying is true here, then he was a witting and fully aware conspirator acting in the media to convince the public that 9 11 was a real attack and that it justified going to war in Afghanistan and Iraq.
In order for Tucker to present himself as an authority in this space, he unfortunately will need to confess to some much bigger sins than he's willing to take on at this point.
If you're sitting across the table from someone who's saying stuff like this, and you've already said that Tucker has been in the CIA for his entire life, you should probably be concerned about what he's trying to sell you.
I I know that it feels cool for like Alex to be like, oh, Tucker wants to pay attention to me.
tucker carlson
Yeah.
dan friesen
But by Alex's own telling of the story, he's a lifelong CIA agent, second generation.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Uh somebody who is now saying that he was around and hanging out with the guys who did 9-11.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Yeah, if that were even remotely true, or even kind of like if you put yourself into the headspace of somebody who, in reality, uh was there while they planned 9 11, uh, did nothing about it, then actively helped create a narrative around 9-11 that caused the further deaths of millions upon millions of people, I would kill myself.
dan friesen
It makes you think that Tucker is lying here or he's in some real deep shit.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Like he's he's so much more involved with things than like Alex should be running away from him.
jordan holmes
Yeah, if if this is even yeah, if even this if this is even like an iota of truth in this, this man is worse than any serial killer you've ever watched a TV show about.
Yeah, because this man has killed millions of people.
dan friesen
Yeah, but he's cool now.
jordan holmes
I don't think so.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's cool.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
So look, if you if you call people neoconservative, sure.
You say they're neocons.
Yeah, everybody tries to say that that's anti-Semitic of you.
jordan holmes
Is it?
dan friesen
Eh, not really, but kind of okay.
alex jones
But you know they call if it neocons are if you talk about neocons, that's anti-Semitic.
Well, yeah, about half the neocons were Jewish, but the fact is they're crazy warmongers that believe the end justifies the mean, and you want to get further back, Trotsky got kicked out by Stalin and he ran to Mexico.
Stalin had him on and down and killed by an assassin with an Isaac, and then all of his chop people came to the US, became the neocons, and said, We're gonna take over the Republican Party and we're gonna go to war with Russia to get back control of what's ours, because Trotsky was supposed to replace Lenin when he died, but instead he got kicked out.
And so it is a fact, historical fact, even the Wall Street Journal twenty years ago wrote about it, uh, that when you look at the weekly standard and you look at the neocons, uh, they are they are literal uh Trotskyite communist from a Russian derivation that set up a neoconism, and then you had Cheney and Rumsfeld and and others that weren't Jewish, but were uh large parts of the neocons system.
And so that's why Netanyahu plugged into that so nicely, because he came out of the neocons uh in the 1970s and eighties.
tucker carlson
No, that's that's all just a fact.
That's not I mean, there's nothing hidden or creepy about it.
dan friesen
That's a little creepy.
So it's not always anti-Semitic to call someone a neocon, but it is used as a code in some circles.
It's the same thing as globalist.
Some people use these words sincerely, and some people have found that they're very useful ways to hide what they're actually saying, and so getting into an argument about whether or not calling someone a neocon is uh bigoted or anti-Semitic, it's counterproductive.
tucker carlson
Yeah.
dan friesen
Neoconservatives weren't just the students of Trotsky who decided to come to the United States and take over so they could reclaim Russia.
That's fucking stupid.
In reality, they were mostly disaffected liberal types in the 60s who hated the anti-war protests and the counterculture that was being embraced by the left.
They were the Dave Rubens of their time, the like why I left the left crowd.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
They're more Joe Rogan than Leon Trotsky.
jordan holmes
I liked fucking, but now there's gay people.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I this, but no further kind of left uh.
During the Reagan administration, there was a spit but uh split between the neoconservatives and the paleoconservatives, as the neocons began to rise in power and the old guard lost some of it.
Figures like Pat Buchanan and all of Alex's ideological heroes were on the losing side of this exchange, so a lot of their ideology took shape around the idea that there was a conspiracy to usurp them and that the neocons were secret leftists.
A lot of Alex's ideological heroes were also super anti-Semitic.
So a lot of this gets jumbled up in a way that's really difficult to unpack.
I guess Tucker was a secret Trotskyite CIA agent who was promoting war on TV wearing a silly bow tie for most of his career, though, based on what he's saying.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
That's cool.
jordan holmes
What is the worst thing like that can be implied about you specifically that you'll just go, that's facts to, right?
Like, what could you like?
Hey, you know what it's like to murder millions of people.
That's facts.
Like, how do you respond to that shit like that?
You're just a psycho.
dan friesen
It was a gig.
jordan holmes
Eh, fair enough.
dan friesen
What are you gonna do?
jordan holmes
That's facts.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
So evil, um What about it?
It won't they want to destroy Christian society?
jordan holmes
I think they were hand in hand.
dan friesen
Um, well, maybe, but have you considered where your beef comes from?
jordan holmes
I have not considered that.
alex jones
This is what you do if you want to destroy America.
And I agree with Tucker.
At the end of the day, it's because the evil forces above this want to destroy the West.
jordan holmes
Sure.
tucker carlson
Here's something you may not have known.
Back in 2015, the Congress of the United States repealed something called the country of origin labeling act.
Now, why is this relevant to you?
Well, it means among other things that when you buy beef at the supermarket that says made in the USA, it may not actually be.
In fact, it could be, likely is, from a foreign country.
It means that repackaging foreign meat can be enough to get the made in USA designation.
It's a lie.
It's an absolute lie.
Most people don't even know what's happening.
So how can you be sure that the meat you're eating is from the United States and has been raised with the highest quality standards and is the tastiest, is truly made here.
Well, it's simple.
You can go to our friends at Merryweather Farms.
Merryweather Farms is an American small business.
It's based in Riverton, Wyoming.
We know the people who run it, and they're great people.
And they have great.
jordan holmes
That makes me trust them so little.
dan friesen
Makes me think it's not beef.
tucker carlson
Directly to your doorstep.
It's delicious.
We eat it a lot, including at this table.
These are Americans.
These are American-made products.
They are the real deal.
Again, we eat that meat at this table from Riverton, Wyoming.
They're the best.
MerriweatherFarms.com use the discount code Tucker10, and you get an extra 10% off.
Again, that's Merriweather Farms, M-E-R-I, W E T H E Rms.com.
It's worth it.
Christian civilization, of course.
The first second world wars where that was it.
That's not pro-Hitler.
I'm anti-Hitler, just for the record.
Very anti-Hitler.
Um, but the effect was very anti-Hitler.
The most beautiful civilization ever created by far in history, all history.
And this is the final blow.
Uh it seems very, very obvious, very obvious to me, and we should be aware of that as we proceed.
When gold crosses 4,000, I don't understand why that's not like front page news.
Like, because to me, that maybe you're better at this than I'm, but that means that the cumulative effect of everything we're discussing has been to destroy the US dollar.
dan friesen
It's a little jarring to listen to this show and them talk about like how evil wants to destroy Christianity, then cut to a beef commercial and then cut to Tucker mid-sentence talking about how you know evil want the World War One and two.
He doesn't like Hitler, but they very anti-Hitler.
Yeah, but evil forces wanted to destroy Christian society.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
It's just bizarre.
jordan holmes
What are the stakes?
dan friesen
Do you mean stakes like beef?
jordan holmes
I sure do.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
But also I mean stakes is there's multiple.
I was using multiple entons of the meaning of the word.
But what it that's kind of my question here, right?
So evil.
dan friesen
Oh.
jordan holmes
It's gonna kill us all, right?
But also I should worry about the dollar.
I feel like those two things can't exist simultaneously.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Definitely.
jordan holmes
Okay, good.
Moving on.
dan friesen
Definitely real beef.
jordan holmes
No way.
That there the number of times you told me it was real, it was from the United States, and that it wasn't made of some sort of fucking horrifying uh mutation thing.
Makes me convinced that it is one of those three.
dan friesen
Yeah.
This would be like someone at a you're at a restaurant and someone's like, This is real beef.
jordan holmes
You didn't need to tell me it was real.
Why did you tell me it was real?
dan friesen
Like very suspicious of you.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that you've you've made me feel like you're lying to me.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But I just I think that there's something to this, like the triviality of this, like, buy my beef, and then also like World War One and two, we're meant to destroy God.
jordan holmes
I also like the idea that the way you're selling it is like we you don't want any of this foreign beef and not like buddy, you probably shouldn't have meat traveling around the world.
I think that's probably a bad idea.
Even if it's from like your town, but then it travels around the world one time before it gets to you, that's still probably not good.
dan friesen
Meanwhile, these motherfuckers are so mad at farm to table local agriculture sustainability.
Climate change is a host.
jordan holmes
I want Chinese beef now.
dan friesen
So it's time to get hardcore.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And um the explanation for how to get hardcore is is interesting.
alex jones
And the UN the globalists say we're bringing back feudalism, neo-feudalistic capitalism is what they call it.
But really, it's just slavery.
And that's what we're opposing.
And that's what the relaunch of the West is about.
That's what Elon Musk understands.
That's why this is a do or die existential threat to everybody.
People should just get on board and get hardcore or uh be absolute feudal slaves if you're lucky.
tucker carlson
How do you get on board?
alex jones
You understand, and you research the Great Reset and you reset uh research Larry Fink, now the head of the World Economic Forum.
You realize three years ago the UN made the World Economic Forum coequal to its governing body and its councils, and you understand if you actually read their writings, the future isn't human, people are bad, families are bad.
Uh we're gonna have these AI gods that take over.
I mean, it is just the wildest thing that Lex Luthor in a s in a in a comic book couldn't come up with.
This is beyond supervillain stuff.
This is real super demon stuff, and you have to identify the attack you're under and then it's deliberate, then you have to mobilize and get good legislatures and governors and others elected.
dan friesen
So all that stuff Alex is saying isn't true, and he hasn't researched any of this shit.
Most of it is catchphrases he's memorized from memes, and ultimately it seems like his definition of getting hardcore is just believe stupid shit and vote for Republicans who are subservient to Trump.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
That's hardcore, man.
jordan holmes
I I find it wild to live in this world now where Alex is saying literally, get out and vote.
dan friesen
Yeah, the electoral system is the way to go.
jordan holmes
Fucking crazy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
jordan holmes
Great.
We're doing great.
I didn't like it whenever people who are reasonable and who might have been telling the truth said shit like that.
I definitely don't like it when Alex is saying shit like that.
dan friesen
Yeah, but you you need to also believe crazy stupid shit along the way, right?
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, that would also get you to thinking that just vote is gonna do it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And ah, God.
So I think that there's something really interesting about Alex's position, even as he's not interesting and he becomes like this sort of organ that has outlived its usefulness.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He's like a quaddo.
dan friesen
There's still something very interesting about the fact that he's able to take things that I would in some other circumstances totally agree with and make me like, I don't I don't want your help with this.
Just stop.
So he starts talking about BlackRock.
jordan holmes
Great.
alex jones
Uh populists are getting elected all over the world.
People are really waking up to this, and we have uh now these attorney generals winning court cases or Texas and other places uh where BlackRoy to come in and say we're not gonna have any investment in your state uh if you don't get rid of fossil fuels.
And we and then Texas sued Kimpax and said this is racketeering, this is illegal, and they won the court cases, it is.
Uh, because Larry Fink says this is about control.
We're gonna control you.
dan friesen
So Alex's version of this story is entirely made up, and it illustrates how little he understands these issues that he's supposed to be championing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Texas, through Ken Paxton, did sue BlackRock, along with State Street and Vanguard over accusations that they engaged in monopolistic practices.
However, Alex is saying that the case involved BlackRock saying that they wouldn't invest in anything in Texas if they uh didn't get rid of fossil fuels, which is inaccurate.
The claim is that these three investment firms acquired a large amount of shares in nine large coal producing companies, with ownership stakes ranging from about eight percent to thirty-four percent.
It's alleged that all three of these investment firms have agreed that they're not gonna invest in coal companies that have plans to expand production.
So the idea is that these firms have gathered influence in these coal companies and are restricting the production of coal, which is anti competitive and subject to antitrust laws.
Recently, BlackRock State Street and Vanguard asked the court to dismiss the case on the grounds that there isn't a serious accusation being made.
Essentially arguing that even if everything the case claimed was true, there still isn't any crime or wrongdoing.
That motion to dismiss was denied.
So the case can still be heard later on in court.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
The court didn't rule on the merits of this case, but Alex is lying and pretending that they did.
He's also lying about what these firms did, claiming that they said that they wouldn't invest in anything in the state if they didn't get rid of fossil fuels.
This is such a great illustration of Alex's worthlessness.
It may very well be the case that these investment firms are engaged in some monopolistic practices that should be stopped, but he can't help but lie about the situation in order to make his job easier and make his argument more exciting.
And that's not an ally you need.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
If you're actually opposed to the monopolistic practices, uh the idea of that that BlackRock could be engaged in this.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex is gonna ruin your ability to push back against it because he's gonna make you look like an idiot.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this is one of the things that happens, and it's one of the things that happens every time with unions, especially.
But it's it goes like this, right?
You and I both know that the system is injust.
We need to get rid of it.
We need to change the system, right?
So we go after the system.
We get into a conflict with the system, and the system's like, whoa, you guys are winning, and it talks to your buddy, and your buddy is suddenly on the board of BlackRock, and now you've lost.
You don't want your buddy, your buddy is the reason that you're going to lose.
Right.
He says that you're the one, you're gonna go fight the system and shit, and then the moment it's time, you're fucked.
dan friesen
Yeah, the person who's not serious is gonna end up supporting Trump and uh his uh quashing of free speech.
jordan holmes
You bet.
dan friesen
So uh I I don't want Alex's help on this.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
He can't grasp the issues that are at stake and doesn't care.
jordan holmes
Yep.
And putting him on my side just means I'm losing by having him on my side.
dan friesen
It's a vulnerability, not an ally.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
So uh here's some uh words out for you about freedom.
tucker carlson
You you can't have different systems, radically different systems in a globalized world.
Can you?
alex jones
No.
Exactly.
So there's a fight between do you want the 1984 civilization, or do you want the 1776 civilization?
1776 isn't going back.
It's back to the future.
It was the flower of the Renaissance and the greatest expression of hundreds and hundreds of years of the Great Awakening and of the of the enlightenment.
And so it's a continuation of that.
We have to get back to the future, back to the avant garde, back to what produces the most freedom, the most wealth, classical liberalism of Thomas Jefferson.
Now, modern liberalism is totalitarian, anti-family, anti-speech, uh, anti-self-defense, anti-provate property.
Modern liberalism is a totalitarian death cult, transhumanist poison to sabotage human civilization.
It's a depopulation program.
1776 is the is the ultimate most successful push of humans to produce the very best atmosphere of liberty and freedom and competition and empowerment.
The problem is in the cycle, as you know, hard times make strong men, strong men make good times, good times make weak men, weak men make bad times.
The problem is is that are we good enough?
It was Benjamin Franklin, right?
If they finally uh, you know, uh years later, after the declaration of independence and the bill uh constitution, uh, you know, finally got the Bill of Rights done, and he was walking out the newspaper reporters said, Mr. Franklin, you know, do we now finally have our nation?
And he said, Yes, you have your republic if you can keep it.
dan friesen
Alex made up some of the details of that story, but uh all of that meant nothing.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
This is just word salad that Alex can basically pull out from muscle memory, but he has no connection to what any of this shit means.
He hates the left.
It's so anti-free speech, yet he's quiet on Trump's very clear attack on speech.
jordan holmes
Whenever he said, We're getting rid of your freedom of speech.
dan friesen
Yeah, we just decided this isn't a bad thing.
jordan holmes
Whenever he literally said the words, we're getting rid of your freedom of speech.
dan friesen
And because the courts won't let me, I'm just gonna do it.
Yep.
Also, these dudes seem to want a world government, but just one that has a big 1776 sign on it.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like maybe a world government under Trump, uh Trump Empire or something like that.
Maybe that would work.
jordan holmes
Great.
Bunch of dicks.
Well, at least it would be actually it wouldn't.
That's the problem.
That's the fucking problem with the world government under these assholes, it wouldn't be easier to travel anywhere.
They it's not easier to travel in the inside the United States because of these fucking people.
dan friesen
Yeah, they'd make it make everything way, way, way.
unidentified
Right?
jordan holmes
Like at the very least, you'd think if there was one world government, sure, maybe they're oppressive and shit like that, but you can get from one place to another because there's nobody in the way.
unidentified
Wrong.
dan friesen
Not these guys.
jordan holmes
Not these guys.
dan friesen
No.
There's always that's a different world government that cares about it uh infrastructure spending.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
dan friesen
Shit like that.
jordan holmes
What an amazing thought.
dan friesen
So um there are moments in life where someone sounds really fucking stupid to the point where if you're talking to them, you should feel embarrassed that you're not uh stopping them.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I think that this is one of those moments uh where Alex starts explaining the pedesta plan to Tucker, and he has to do the open mouth, like, oh my god.
jordan holmes
That's facts.
dan friesen
Oh my what?
alex jones
And the next place I wanted to go was the Podesta Plan.
tucker carlson
What is the Podesta plan?
alex jones
Well, when I talk about chills because in August of 2020, Reitbart wrote about it.
The Daily Caller wrote about it.
But the New York Times wrote about it first.
And Podesta does this big Democrat Party war game.
tucker carlson
Which Podesta, John.
John Podesta, former White S chief of Steph, yep.
alex jones
Absolutely.
And then then and then later the climate czar for Biden or giving up the climate money, stealing it.
Uh he uh he comes out of this huge report that they published the whole thing.
And I'm I'm reading like this, what's it's like 70 pages or something.
And they say, Ibn Trump wins in 2020, which is in August, months before, which they were able to steal it, so he didn't.
He said, We're gonna have Western states secede.
We're gonna have blue cities secede, but we'll start with the Western states, California, Oregon, and Washington.
jordan holmes
Because they're further.
alex jones
At first, which they're not doing.
I'm getting chills because it's all happening.
jordan holmes
Like a report.
alex jones
You go to a play and you're reading, oh, the next act is this.
dan friesen
It's chills.
jordan holmes
It's not how you read plays right there.
alex jones
And they say, if he wins, we will say it's illegitimate.
We will have blue states first secede and that they're gonna be sanctuary cities for the illegals.
Then when uh there's civil unrest, which they'll furnish, Trump will send the National Guard, and then there'll be a massacre of the migrants, uh, and then we will kick off a civil war, then all the blue cities across the country will secede, then New York, Massachusetts, and others will secede, and we'll form what we call the Western Alliance, and we will then the the US military will be with us, because they they control the generals, people that think that don't think otherwise you're that was Trump's big mistake he found out.
Most of them are globalists at the top, not your enlisted, they're great people.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
And that they would then form a military alliance if Trump didn't stand down and they would march on DC.
And then they made a movie produced two years ago they released last year called Civil War, that is the last act of the Podesta Plan.
That's that's in a two plus year civil war race-based.
At the end, they go and you know, the black female sergeant kills the Trumpian figure in the White House.
Sure.
And that's because evil white people are not massacring brown people across the country.
So the US military reconvenes under a Gavin Newsom's command, uh type, and uh then then they uh come in and then they take over the country and then they re-educate all the evil right wingers and evil white people.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
If you're Tucker and you're on Alex's side, you still have to think that he sounds like a complete idiot.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That sounds so dumb.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
None of the stuff that he's saying about the Transition Integrity Project report is accurate, and none of the stuff he's saying about the Civil War movie is accurate either.
Like, if you've seen that movie, you'd be like, nah, you're wrong.
Tucker has met Tony or uh John Podesta, I'm sure.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Like he has to be sitting there like, what the fuck are you talking about?
jordan holmes
I mean, it's amazing.
dan friesen
Because Alex is trying to be calm and sound like someone you should take seriously, he's not employing all of his standard flourishes and theatrics, which makes him just sound like a delusional person who should be talking to a social worker.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is all just half-remembered details from news stories he didn't read and a movie he didn't watch.
Uh to Alex is combined into a race war fantasy.
He says in that clip that the Podesta report includes states forming a group called the Western Alliance, but in the report, the group that comes together in one of the scenarios is called Cascadia.
Alex pretends the name is the Western Alliance, and that's used in the report because in the movie they call it the Western forces, and he absolutely knows that Tucker isn't gonna push back on this.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Another point is that the Civil War movie goes out of its way not to explain why the United States is in a civil war, because it's a story being told through the viewpoint of conflict journalists whose job requires them to maintain a distance from the horrors that they're witnessing.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
The movie is trying to force the viewer to see things through their eyes.
And if you knew why the war was happening, it would be very easy to take aside, and that moralizing would take away from the fundamental point Alex Garland was making with the movie, which has to do with PTSD and how hard journalism is.
It wouldn't work.
jordan holmes
No, it wouldn't make any sense.
dan friesen
Alex didn't see it, so it doesn't really matter.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that it that does help.
dan friesen
Alex is under uh he's unable to deal with complicated ideas and art.
So he just crafts his own fantasy to live in where movies and TVs uh shows that secretly trying to whisper codes to him.
He's insane.
And Tucker is just sitting there while he spouts this shit.
It's it's embarrassing.
The the it there's a reason that it used to be harder to get on TV.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Uh, because when there's no standards, you just end up with stuff like this, and people sound very dumb.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I like the idea of seceding.
Right.
Because I like the way that these guys think of it.
They think of it like we're out, friends.
Bye.
And that's like the end of it.
But if if the if there was even a possibility of California seceding in like a peaceful way, it would be Brexit times a thousand.
Yes.
There's so many resources, there's so much money, there's so much tied up, there's so many foreign investments in there.
The idea of trying to just negotiate your way out of it, it would make more sense for the United States government to just murder everybody in California and then resettle it than it would to try and negotiate out of it.
dan friesen
Right.
You know, uh, just even on like a really really basic level, yeah.
The power grids are connected.
I mean, it would be between California and neighboring states.
jordan holmes
It'd be insane.
dan friesen
Right.
It's but maybe a city would just be like, no.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, and that'd be funny.
dan friesen
They just hit a button, right?
And then a dome comes down on him.
And they're like, We're our own thing now.
jordan holmes
It's so much easier to secede in the eighteen sixties because nobody it's like everything was done by paper.
Sure, it could have been three months before you had to pay that bill because it took that long to get there.
Now you gotta close it by the end of the day.
dan friesen
Right.
And they didn't have power grids that were connected.
jordan holmes
No, but they didn't have power at all.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's um it it's stupid.
jordan holmes
It's very stupid.
dan friesen
And and I think that Tucker, I I don't know.
I obviously I don't think that he wants Alex to look stupid.
Yeah, but like by allowing him to talk uh for long stretches, he just re kind of reveals that Alex is an idiot.
jordan holmes
It would be I would be very if if I started going about uh uh that far off the rails of just being like, all right, let me let you in on my pedesta plan.
dan friesen
I've made up all this stuff, and this movie is the last act of it.
It's telling me secretly that a black woman is gonna kill Trump.
Right.
jordan holmes
At a certain point, I would hope that the person across would be would be like, no, no, no.
You're on you're on.
unidentified
We're live.
dan friesen
Yeah, we're about or at it.
jordan holmes
Just edit around this or something.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I'm gonna hey, uh sidebar, cut out all of that.
dan friesen
This is embarrassing for me to be associated with you.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
dan friesen
Oh well.
So Alex talks a little bit about uh uh the shooter in uh in uh mini uh Minnesota whose name he does not remember, I'm sure uh and how he was a dirty leftist who worked for Tampa Tim.
jordan holmes
That'll happen.
alex jones
You have the Soros NGO funded No Kings events, like they had on the 14th of June when the guy that worked for Tampon Tim went around reportedly, you know, uh killing senators and state reps there at the state level.
He later told the FBI wrote a letter saying, No, I did I I did this for the Democrats as a false flag, uh so so so that Tim Walls could, you know, play victim.
He supposedly had a bunch of accomplices, but they didn't help him.
They caught his wife and a bunch of people with passports, guns, and money, you know, fleeing the area.
Uh, but within two hours of the attack, they had his roommate on TV saying, Oh, I he loved Trump and Alex Jones.
Isn't that interesting?
It's all very scripted.
Uh, but but but my point is now you have the No Kings this Weekend.
Uh, and and and we now have Schumer um on Monday, went on MSNBC and said we need to have a forceful Uprising.
We need to have a forceful uprising.
Uh what's the exact quote?
My so this is this is chilling.
dan friesen
My producers over there will tell me what he saw on Twitter.
So I think in a fair and just world, Alex should be sued by Vance Bolter's wife and the roommate uh just for that last minute.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Like he can't say shit like this.
He can't say that the dude's uh comments were scripted.
That implies involvement with the murder of a public official.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
He can't say that his wife was fleeing with guns and a bunch of people when it was her kids and she legally was able to have guns.
Like he can't do this shit.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
He's accusing people of being involved in political assassination murders.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Um, and uh it just doesn't matter.
jordan holmes
I am I here's what I uh here's what I'll say about our legal system, right?
Let's just add a little amendment at the end, right?
And we'll call it we'll call it the Sonic the Hedgehog Law, right?
Once you've exhausted all the rings, all bets are off.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, if you got we've gone through all these sonic rings, all of these things have bounced out of him, and now we've got zero rings left.
One more hit, and this man's gone.
Right?
So we're there.
We've got all the rings out.
Alex is done.
Like the entire country just goes, no.
dan friesen
All of the rings have like blinked out of existence.
jordan holmes
It's all gone.
You can't collect any more rings.
You've lost all your rings.
The last hit is the one that kills you.
Boom, you're done.
dan friesen
Let me propose another sonic rule.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Chili dogs.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Remember when Alex ate all that chili and couldn't remember his kids' teacher's name?
jordan holmes
I do.
dan friesen
That's cool because Sonic likes chili dogs.
jordan holmes
I did not know that.
dan friesen
It's in the Constitution now.
jordan holmes
I did not know that there was lore regarding chili dogs with Sonic.
What does he do with the chili?
dan friesen
He eats them.
jordan holmes
Where did he get chili dogs?
dan friesen
Well, it's not in the video games, I don't think.
It's in the like cartoons.
But it's it's a part of his lore.
Chili dogs are an important.
jordan holmes
All right, all right.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I didn't know that there was a cartoon.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I should have assumed.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
That's on me.
dan friesen
So uh Tucker, you know, he's you know, Alex has told him all about this scary guy who was working for Tim Walls.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And like all this violence.
Schumer wants a forceful uprising.
And so, you know, Tucker has no choice but to say that uh Trump should probably just like have the military do shit.
jordan holmes
You don't think that's okay.
tucker carlson
If you really believe that widespread civil unrest preparatory to civil war is coming, if Chuck Schumer, you know, one of the senior senators, um, is calling for it, then you really need to make sure the military is under control, that it's not politicized, that it's not, you know, that it reports to the president as a politicizing too.
No beer.
alex jones
Yes, and I loved Heg Sus speech, and that's the right direction, but we need more of that.
And a lot of the generals were rolling their eyes, giggling, uh, putting their heads in their hands, and I guarantee you just go, okay, who's that guy?
Look at his record, he's gonna be a commie, a leftist.
tucker carlson
Wouldn't you I mean it would be uh an almost an emergency situation.
You would need to make certain that the general officers in your military were loyal to the constitution.
alex jones
Exactly.
And and and the left and the corporate media act like if Trump wants prosecutions, he's not supposed to do that.
No, he's a chief law enforcement officer.
We elected him for that.
We elect one man in the general election.
You know, all of us vote uh have an ability to vote for only one position.
And so it's not Trump's right, it's his duty.
dan friesen
No, Trump's supposed to appoint uh attorney general who is uh not just doing his bidding.
Yeah, they're supposed to be separate.
jordan holmes
That is one of the biggest things is that we can't let one guy do it thing.
That was huge.
dan friesen
Man, I think yeah, if the president can just direct prosecutions, then like I I don't like I I don't know what Alex could ever be mad about like a government doing.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah.
dan friesen
I the his standards are so low.
jordan holmes
Hey, listen, once once we all have accepted, which I feel like we have, maybe I'm wrong, maybe people have not gotten there yet, but we essentially live By decree and uh whoopsie law.
Auto whoopsie.
I decree that we do this.
Sometimes, whoopsie.
We don't do that now.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
That's it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
All these people are fired.
Oh no, they were the people.
unidentified
Whoopsie.
jordan holmes
You're back.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, like we needed you.
Once we realized that decree and whoopsie can exist simultaneously, we should have been like, nah, nah, no, no.
dan friesen
Yeah, this is some goofy shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, get out of here.
Come on, come on, come on.
dan friesen
So Alex is so scared uh because of all the Antifa and all this stuff.
jordan holmes
The totally real Antifa.
dan friesen
He's not even staying in his house.
Except he is.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But he lies about it.
jordan holmes
Oh.
dan friesen
And then Tucker is like, You're not staying in your house.
And Alex gives up on his lies.
jordan holmes
Oh my God.
alex jones
And these other groups have targeted lists that have come out of whose houses they're going to.
Governors, talk show host.
Everybody.
Tucker is on the list.
I'm on the list.
We've caught him outside my house, folks.
Okay.
I'm just going to leave it at that.
I haven't stayed at my house in much.
It's gotten that bad.
I stay there.
tucker carlson
Stayed at your house?
alex jones
I don't stay at my house anymore, Mike.
I stay there as much as my children, no.
Because I mean, they're there.
It's targeted.
As soon as they kick this off, there are people that are first on the list that they're planning to come get.
Because I'm not trying to, you know, this you're smart.
When they really launch this, and it's not going to be them knocking your door down in DC.
It's going to be a you know group of meth heads rolling up with Moloff cocktails.
And and and they've got these undercover videos in Austin and Portland and everywhere.
Hours of them.
And it shows inside these warehouses where they give them drugs and money and food and the NGOs.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
And they're just all in there ramped up and ready with guns and weapons.
unidentified
Big wagons.
alex jones
Just as soon as they give them the green light, they are gonna just pile in their vans and come to kill.
Well, think of Helter Skelter times 10,000.
Think it's the Manson family times 10,000.
They've got Manson family groups in every major city and in most small towns, literally that would make the cast of Chainsaw Massacre look like choir boys ready to go.
tucker carlson
Right.
Yeah, of course.
I mean, these these are the shock troops of whatever the nihilists, the atheists, of course.
jordan holmes
Sure.
tucker carlson
And that's always the way it works.
dan friesen
Yeah, of course.
Of course.
There are so many fucking armies just hidden uh in the streets.
I mean there's gangs and Antifa and Trend de Aragua and uh Iranian sleeper cells.
jordan holmes
Don't forget MS 13 is always around the corner.
dan friesen
They got replaced by Trend de Aragua.
jordan holmes
Oh shit.
dan friesen
God damn it.
Yeah.
Trump got it was more exciting to talk about them than it was to talk about MS 13.
jordan holmes
So I think one of our one of my big problems with Antifa as laid out by Alex.
Poor operational organization.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
You shouldn't be keeping all of these things in the same warehouse.
dan friesen
And it's so funny.
Speaking of operations, just real quick.
I I agree with you.
You should have different things.
jordan holmes
Different.
I mean, at the very least, you have your junkies and your guns in a different place.
Yeah.
Yeah.
dan friesen
And they have contracts where like people sign them.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That seems unnecessary.
I mean, you've That's bad operational security.
jordan holmes
At what point when you sign a contract and at the end at the other side of that contract is somebody giving you a lot of drugs and then convincing you to start a war or something.
dan friesen
Sign here.
jordan holmes
At what point is it more incriminating for the person who made the contract than for your signature?
dan friesen
Right.
No, but why that's what I'm saying.
Is why are they signing?
jordan holmes
Right, exactly.
What do we do anything?
dan friesen
This is dumb.
jordan holmes
You don't need my signature.
You're drugging me.
dan friesen
And I don't need yours.
jordan holmes
I don't need yours.
I love drugs.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So yeah, I think I think this is stupid.
Manson family times 10,000.
Oh no, Trump better be able to use the military however he wants.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Great.
Back to Alex.
He was saying that he he uh doesn't stay in his own house.
I think that it's really funny that almost no pushback made him give up on that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Because it wasn't even pushback.
Tucker was trying to be like, oh my god.
jordan holmes
Tell me more.
dan friesen
Give me stay in your house.
jordan holmes
Escalate.
Tell me why.
Yeah, one of my windows got broken into.
Exactly.
dan friesen
And Alex immediately was like, I can't sell this.
Well, because he shoots video of himself cutting like a Hitler mustache.
You know, like shaving his uh face into uh in his house.
jordan holmes
So like your personal trainer is staying in your house.
He can't be that scared.
dan friesen
Yeah, he clearly is just like, oh fuck, I can't pull this lie off.
jordan holmes
It's yeah, that one's that one's kind of silly anyway.
dan friesen
That's like Tucker doing a fucking behind the back no-look pass and Alex catching the ball and throwing it out of bounds.
jordan holmes
Can't do it.
Don't like it.
This ball sucks.
Give me a new ball.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So there's an attorney general race in uh Virginia.
And uh Alex uh thinks this guy is just like all about killing all the white people.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
And then and then you know, take this uh attorney general candidate that's been in the lead, Jones in Virginia.
He said the same thing they keep saying.
The same thing that people said about Charlie Kirk's wife, kill her and her kids and her parents because they're all racist, because they they So he's in the kill the whites, is he said.
Well, he said, he said, kill these legislators, and he said by their names and kill their kids.
tucker carlson
All white legislators.
alex jones
All white.
He said, Yeah, kill these white people and kill their kids.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
And then to teach their wife a lesson.
jordan holmes
That'll teach him.
alex jones
So he says, we're literally going to leave your white women.
tucker carlson
This guy's running for attorney general.
And I think he's still getting, you know, 45% of Democrats supporting him.
alex jones
And they won't decry him.
And the reason I go back to that, folks, is we've been so taught it's totally a lie that only whites can be tribal.
All humans are tribal.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry?
tucker carlson
And because whites whites don't seem tribal at all.
jordan holmes
I was about to say, I'm sorry.
alex jones
Whites have had it bred out of us to not be tribal.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
alex jones
We're like a dog.
What?
You know, they pull up at Galapagos Island.
There's this giant bird twice the size of a turkey.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
alex jones
Never had a natural predator.
And within a few years there were no more dodo birds.
Anybody's ever been around a sanctuary that has big fences around deer that have ever been hunted, they just walk right up to you.
tucker carlson
Oh, yeah.
alex jones
It's the same thing.
So that's how white westerners are.
It's literally like deer being dumped out in northern Canada with wolf packs.
tucker carlson
Yeah.
I'm not tribal.
I don't feel tribal really at all.
I never have thought that way.
I mean, in fact, I've sort of tried not to think that way, because I think it's I don't know, bad.
It leads to the trial.
I will tear your eyes in war, but yeah, no, they're the only ones who are that way.
Everyone else is totally tribal, openly tribal.
They're encouraged to be tribal.
dan friesen
So this is cute.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
But this is gonna have the desired effect that Tucker wants.
The racists in his audience will laugh about how over the top his incredulous tone is about oh, I can't imagine any white people being tribal.
jordan holmes
Tribal white people.
dan friesen
Yeah, there's a wink that the racists will see.
And then the older people who don't want to accept that they're watching Nazi propaganda will be reassured by the very sincere way Tucker's voice sounds when he gets so quiet and serious talking about white people not being tribal.
The story Alex is talking about here involves Virginia Attorney General candidate Jay Jones, who texted someone three years ago that if he had a choice between shooting Hitler, Paul Pot and former House Speaker Todd Gilbert, quote, Gilbert gets two bullets.
jordan holmes
Boom.
dan friesen
He also said that it would take Gilbert's wife holding their children after being shot to get him to act on gun legislation.
Sure.
That kind of sucks, but Alex and Tucker are definitely lying about this in order to turn it into a racial thing.
tucker carlson
Yeah.
dan friesen
Oh, the whites, he wants to kill all the whites.
jordan holmes
Get over yourself.
dan friesen
And it's probably because they're deeply tribal about their whiteness.
jordan holmes
Seems like it.
dan friesen
And by that I mean they're fucking racists.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
Woof.
Man.
In Deadpool, right?
You remember in Deadpool.
dan friesen
I've not seen it.
jordan holmes
You've not seen Okay.
In the first Deadpool, this is before he becomes Deadpool.
And they're like, we're going to find out how your mutation works by putting you under extreme duress.
And then your mutation will kind of come out.
Right.
And then it turns out that he can uh heal himself in infinite indefinitely or whatever.
Sure.
After torture, after just the worst things that's going to ever happen.
And I've realized through this show that I am not a mutant at all.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because if I were, it would have come out through that man saying, Whites aren't tribal at all.
I tried to seem bad.
I tried to grow Wolverine Claws out of my head.
I was like, no!
And they wouldn't come.
dan friesen
You did stand up.
jordan holmes
I was so mad.
I was so mad.
I tried to use powers.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Sorry.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Well, it's gonna get worse.
jordan holmes
I'm not an X-Man.
dan friesen
Because uh, well, we'll see if this one gets you to turn blue or see if I can become an X-Man.
Yeah.
So what do you think about meritocracy?
jordan holmes
Fuck me.
unidentified
You fucking.
alex jones
Christianity and technical skills and what you brought off the table and a meritocracy.
tucker carlson
Yeah.
alex jones
And so we and so Christians are like, hey, we can bring in other groups if it's a meritocracy, which you can do.
Charlie Kirk, the you know the fake quotes are black women can't fly planes, they're dumb.
Said nothing even close to that.
No, he said we don't have a big enough pool of black women Trying to be pilots.
If we had a big enough pool and enough training, they're just they're great, but you can't lower standards.
That's not black women are dumb and can't fly planes.
dan friesen
So Alex is mixing up the racist things that Charlie Kirk has said over his career.
The black women thing was about them not having the brain power to do jobs in government meant for white guys.
The stuff about pilots was about black people in general, not just women.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
He said, quote, if I see a black pilot, I'm gonna be like, boy, I hope he's qualified.
If Charlie sees a white pilot, he doesn't have that same thought because to him, a white pilot is qualified by default.
If you're white, you deserve to be in whatever position you're in.
If you're not, then you need to prove that you deserve to be there.
jordan holmes
Feels very tribal.
dan friesen
Even if your education, training, work experience, etc.
has already proved that.
jordan holmes
Huh.
dan friesen
You not being white makes Charlie nervous.
And it's your job in a meritocracy to pacify his nervousness.
See, it's not racist at all.
It makes total sense.
Also, what Alex is saying about there needing to be larger pools of applicants for jobs, but uh like he's saying that, but he's totally full of shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He and Tucker are huge enemies of DEI, which is a term that means diversity, equity, and inclusion.
Hysteria around DAI was a big part of their sales pitch for Trump in 2024, and they promised that if he got in, he'd undo all that stuff.
The thing is, a lot of DEI requirements are just about widening the recruitment pool for various jobs.
It's not about setting hiring quotas.
It's mostly about making sure that a wide variety of candidates are aware of job openings and have the opportunity to apply.
If Alex were interested in any kind of merit-based system, as opposed to one based on conspiratorial racism, he would have a much more nuanced position on DEI.
jordan holmes
I mean, just the very simple idea of hey, if we only let people in a certain class in a certain area who have access to certain things know about this job.
We're only going to get people from a certain area from a further certain class who have awareness of this stuff.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
It's very simple.
dan friesen
It's quite simple.
jordan holmes
It's not complicated.
dan friesen
And uh Alex's policy preferences believe like this uh open-minded interpretation of Charlie Kirk's beliefs.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Fuck that shit.
jordan holmes
No, everything makes sense as long as everybody's white.
But once I realize that non-white people are also people because no, there's no such thing as white or non-white, then everything I believe goes to shit.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And see the globalists.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
What they want to do primarily.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Biggest thing they want to do.
jordan holmes
What do they want to do?
dan friesen
Kill white farmers.
jordan holmes
Obviously.
alex jones
In 1917.
British intelligence working with a lot of uh Russian immigrants to New York, put a hundred thousand men into Russia, and send Stalin's train of gold in.
And they took them years to control the whole country, but they got control of the capital city.
And then they just sent out the commissars to the peasants who thought they were being liberated from the czars and feudalism, and instead they said it was 20 times worse, and they just raped and killed and murdered tens of millions of them.
And so at the end of the day, whatever the deal is with the left, they want to kill Christian farmers.
And they want to kill Christian white farmers.
But you saw the UN and...
tucker carlson
That is true.
It's facts.
I spent a long time not wanting to admit to myself that that's true, but then you just look globally, what is this?
Like, what connects everything?
It's a hostility to that group.
I don't know where that hostility comes from.
Pretty it's a flawed group.
All people are flawed.
Every group is flawed.
But that's a you know, on par pretty peaceable group, actually, kind of nice people.
Like why the hatred?
And I think it's Christianity.
I really believe that.
dan friesen
Yeah, I really believe that.
This guy's a fucking prick.
jordan holmes
No psychic powers, no ability to transform anything.
Just nothing.
I heard that man say those things, and I didn't apparate into a new country.
Nope.
dan friesen
Nothing.
jordan holmes
Just sitting here, those words happen, and then we move on.
Wild.
dan friesen
Well, maybe is yelling your power?
No, because I didn't like hit the wall or anything.
jordan holmes
It is done zero for me in any way.
dan friesen
See how the left uh they just want to kill white Christian farmers, man.
jordan holmes
In to what end?
dan friesen
They hate food.
jordan holmes
So imagine okay.
You know what?
Fuck it.
Let's do it.
The left wants to kill all white farmers.
Now, imagine I'm on the left, and imagine I did it.
I got All of those fuckers out of here.
Now what?
dan friesen
Um I guess that now you can control the food supply easier or something and make people dependent, so then they have to be communist, and then uh God is dead.
jordan holmes
Makes sense to me.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I don't know.
Uh these people are just they're just race.
jordan holmes
That's just what a wild thing to just throw out.
There's not even that many farmers.
Even if there are even if there are tons of farmers, it all their seed, it's not like they're getting their own seed.
Monsanto is our farmer.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
If you want.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
You know?
dan friesen
Yeah, I think that uh corporations and big business have done much more damage to farmers than globalists.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we've nobody no leftist has ever been like, hey man, we're gonna sell you seed that dies next year.
Not once.
dan friesen
Nah.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
So um it's not just white farmers, though.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
They also just uh they kind of hate maybe black farmers too or something.
alex jones
The farm, the earth, it's not just kill white uh Christians.
That's the main target.
Look at the Rwandan massacre, which the UN actually ran if you study it in the Clintons, you were there, and it was the tiny it was a minority of blacks were Christian because they were Christian, they had all the prosperity and were successful.
Yeah, they all got exterminated and wiped out, a couple million of them, and and and and and now all of the world are they're pressing.
tucker carlson
Is that true?
I didn't know that.
That there was a religious component to the two Twitch.
I didn't know that.
alex jones
And the animists did it, yeah, and the UN oversaw it.
They they put him in the refugee centers.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
Oh, yeah.
The UN helped murder them all.
tucker carlson
So the Tootsies were disproportionately Christian?
alex jones
Yes, yes, the minority group that was killed was disproportionately Christian.
tucker carlson
Yeah, by the Hutus.
alex jones
Yeah, and the Hutu's were animists.
tucker carlson
Why have I never heard that before?
alex jones
That that was that was what I had guessed on at the time it was going down and covered it, yeah.
tucker carlson
That was 31 years ago.
I didn't know that.
dan friesen
Oh my God.
Alex, you're enlightening me.
So this is bullshit.
It wasn't a religious thing that separated the Hutu and Tutsi and uh Ronda.
Obviously, the story is far more complicated than being able to distill things down into one quick answer, but a large part of the conflict traced back to Belgian colonial times, where the Belgians viewed the lighter skinned Tutsi as closer to white and thus gave them an elevated position in the colonial state.
The Belgian colonists state codified their identities as either Hutu or Tutsi, and over time the majority Hutu were ruled by a mostly Tutsi elite.
And this was one of the primary drivers of the genocide.
Uh, but oh my god!
Alex, you're blowing my mind.
How could I have never heard this?
jordan holmes
You know, Dan, sometimes when you look back at the history of colonialism and you see these non-tribal white people uh who are very peaceful and uninterested in taking resources from other people, and whenever they just decide who's in government, they do a great job.
Didn't you ever notice that?
Like, if we didn't have the Brits, where would India and Pakistan be?
They'd just be what?
A group of people not trying to kill each other all the time?
dan friesen
Uh stupid.
It's it's just a shame that they don't teach history.
jordan holmes
It's exactly right.
Because Tucker doesn't even know about all these things.
dan friesen
He doesn't know about all this stuff that Alex just talks shit about.
jordan holmes
I hate this life.
dan friesen
It's so enlightening.
I just I you just picture Tucker's dumb fucking face while Alex tells him this stuff, and he has to fucking pretend to be like, oh my god, you've blown my mind.
jordan holmes
Uh when I was a kid, when I was real young, uh I was I used to read the Dragonlance novels.
And I'm sure that there will be right now, as those words were spoken.
There are people listening to this who are like shitting in their cars, just going like, I did that too.
Right.
So there was this character named Racelin uh Majeer, right?
And his curse was that he had hourglass pupils because all he could see was what would happen, the decay of the end of the world, right?
That's what I see whenever I look at Tucker Carlson.
I see his face like melting away and becoming a corpse.
Like it like in Indiana Jones and the fucking Last Crusade.
That's what I see, because that is disgusting.
dan friesen
I see him a little bit after the show is done taping, and he's talking with a friend while drinking a highball.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And they're laughing about how stupid Alex is.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
It seems too stressful for me to even like I would need to like wind down.
I would need to have that highball, and a friend would need to have like his hand on my shoulder And just going like it's gonna be okay, buddy.
You're gonna do it tomorrow.
dan friesen
Do you do you do have you seen uh these clips of to uh of Trump uh talking about how he's not gonna make it to heaven?
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
Yeah now what's happening.
He's a couple times talked about how like uh he's probably going to hell.
jordan holmes
I'm a pedophile.
I'm an evil monster.
What are you gonna do?
dan friesen
And I think that freedom is what Tucker actually feels.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that's why he doesn't really give a shit.
And whatever you're talking about, like the anxiety and the stress is all gone because he's fucking stupid rich and uh knows that he's insulated from the problems that he's exacerbating that other people have to deal with.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't think it's possible to make a human free of all consequences also be a good guy.
dan friesen
It's tough.
Yeah, it is very tough.
So um I for one calls people racists.
Right?
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
And Tucker, he he only who was used to be confused by that.
jordan holmes
He was so confused.
dan friesen
Yeah, but then he realized, oh my god, it's to make me not be racist.
unidentified
That makes sense.
tucker carlson
And the funny thing is, you know, they've been preemptively preparing us for this by doing this whole white you're a white supremacist, and you know, you're a racist, and when I first heard that, I was con I never met a white supremacist in my life.
I still don't know any, actually.
And I don't Mirror.
There are so few racists in this country, at least in my time, 50.
alex jones
They're labeling you.
tucker carlson
What they're doing is they're taking your defenses down exactly, so you can't fight back.
And I didn't I didn't get that.
I my first thought was why do you see everything in racial terms?
I didn't grow up thinking of things in racial terms at all, like at all.
And they do, and they do because they're targeting a group.
I mean, of course, and even now.
alex jones
And when you're targeting a group, the first thing you do is teach the group they can't defend themselves.
I mean, it's so I mean, look at Europe.
The Cardinal Sin are here, defending yourself if you're white.
tucker carlson
Yeah, I know.
Yeah, I know.
I wonder what that is.
alex jones
Nick Sordor gets beat up by Antifa, and then he gets arrested in Portland.
tucker carlson
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
What was Nick Sorder beat up because he is white?
What the fuck are we talking about?
jordan holmes
I have no idea.
dan friesen
So I feel like these guys are just bending themselves into knots trying to explain why it's good to be racist.
Apparently it's a defense strategy that is useful.
jordan holmes
Try anything you like.
dan friesen
I can't believe these guys won't just come out and say what they mean already.
I get that they're old and they've lived with a need for PC code their whole lives, but they can just be racist now.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
The more they try to couch their shit in other defensible terms and ideas, the more they just look like cowards.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like this doesn't make sense.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You believe a certain thing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And you're trying to wear a hat.
jordan holmes
Well, the the reason is because they're hedging their bets.
They've lived long enough to think, well, the pendulum's gonna swing back.
I don't want to have a uh, you know, now that we're in the future, let's look back and see all the people who fucking really went for it and go after them.
But that now is just being a coward.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because the future's not gonna be we're gonna hold you accountable for this shit.
dan friesen
I I d I I don't know if it is, but like um the the way that everything has broken.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
dan friesen
Uh particularly, you know, over the last number of years, but especially, you know, it's accelerated.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Um I don't feel like you should have any expectation that there is a normal that ever will exist again.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like 2028 is presumably another election.
Presumably.
jordan holmes
I I can't see why.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
I can't see why there would be one.
dan friesen
Right.
Like what kind of rallies are gonna be allowed.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Like that aren't gonna be considered riots on Trump's part.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, yeah.
dan friesen
Like what what you know, the pendulum that you're talking about, like it it's all or nothing.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Now to pretend that it's not is silly.
jordan holmes
It is.
dan friesen
And that's the pretend that like the hedging that you're talking about is them living in a reality that no longer exists.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Um and and to me, it just it it comes off like I don't really sponsor.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think I might if I'm racist uh fully, then my beef sponsor might go away.
jordan holmes
Yep, it's it's the biz.
dan friesen
So uh Tucker uh expresses something that I was pretty surprised uh by, which is a mentality that uh should have stayed out of World War II.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Um great.
tucker carlson
I feel like we really missed our our chance to exercise genuine American exceptionalism.
You can say, you know, in 1941 and say we're just not for totalitarian systems.
We're not gonna support well, it would have been in 1939.
We're not gonna do Lendlee's, we're not gonna support your totalitarian system, Joseph Solon.
Sorry, we're not for Hitler, we're not for Stalin, we're America, we're for us.
Like I that didn't seem to occur to anybody other than Charles Lindbergh and the majority of the American population that supported that plan, and they've been slandered as a few.
What else occurred to Charles Lindbergh ever since?
alex jones
And they kidnapped Limberg's baby and all of it to teach him.
So imagine the Russians and the Germans would have just spit each other out.
They would have exhausted each other, the Soviet Union probably would have fallen.
The Nazis would have fallen, I would imagine.
Imagine which is an expeditionary force at the end of it, cleaned it all up as liberators, but instead we got right in the middle of it.
tucker carlson
Yeah.
Or how about you tell like the family, you know, the moms in this town what their son their son died fighting alongside Stalin's forces?
I mean, really so hateful.
What happened to Kanye?
Do you still talk to him?
alex jones
No.
Um he uh I don't think he's a bad person, but he's disturbed.
tucker carlson
Yeah.
alex jones
And I think he got screwed over in business.
I think a lot of what he said was true.
dan friesen
See, this is fun because Tucker also interviewed Ye when he was having his anti-Semitic meltdown, and he edited tons of stuff out of the interview in order to present Ye as not hating Jewish people.
He just had interesting ideas.
See, Tucker bringing up Ye is funny because he was part of trying to facilitate Ye's whole Nazi thing by editing out egregious parts of their interview so he looked more palatable to naive viewers.
And that's great that we finally get to this part where Tucker is just saying we should have stayed out of World War II.
Great.
Cool, man.
Uh also the Lindbergh baby kidnapping happened in 1932.
So that seems unrelated to his anti-interventionist position in World War II.
jordan holmes
There he is.
dan friesen
But whatever.
Go off.
Uh historical expert.
Fuck a bunch of dumb dicks.
They're talking about how we should have just uh stayed out of World War II and Lindbergh has been wrongly smeared as uh supporter of Nazis and and what have you.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
And then without missing a beat, he's just like, hey, how's how's Ye doing?
You can still talk to that Nazi?
jordan holmes
It is what it is immensely frustrating to actually give a shit in the presence of these people.
That just that concept of giving because they are play acting giving a shit as a as a fucking uh uh goddamn condom.
This is bullshit.
dan friesen
They give a shit about something that is very abhorrent.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And because they don't want to be seen as giving a shit about that thing, because it's for their entire lives has been pretty socially repugnant.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Um, they have to pretend to give a shit about something else that is socially acceptable.
Unfortunately, their behaviors have illustrated that they are fine with not going like they don't give a shit about those things.
jordan holmes
I mean, the very concept of what he just said to him doesn't deserve a second thought.
But the idea of, well, we should have just gone after the big fight is over and mopped up and been the heroes.
That is so absurd, so insane and selfish and fucking just absolutely psychopathic.
You know?
dan friesen
Right.
And I I think that you know, relitigating history like that is also it it's always so fraught.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Because we know a lot now that we didn't then.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Um we know a lot about the scale of genocide that was going on.
If we hadn't entered the war when we did and things gone the way that they did.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
There would have been so much more extermination of various peoples.
jordan holmes
Almost certainly.
dan friesen
And for Tucker to have the awareness of hindsight and still be like we should have stayed out of it.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Means that he would have been fined with uh any level of industrial genocide that was being carried out then.
jordan holmes
Yep.
It it it's uh it's I mean, just the idea of like, hey, how about instead we should have started a war when they built an oven?
dan friesen
So anyway, yay um uh yeah uh Alex says some stuff about this that like very unacceptable.
alex jones
He just goes on and says he loves Hitler over and over again, which I guess it like presses on the nerve of edge lording.
tucker carlson
Yeah, no.
alex jones
So it's like I'm being bad, I'm being bad.
That only goes so far.
And uh then I think I understood why he was wearing the mask.
tucker carlson
Why?
alex jones
Uh well after the show, he goes back there and pulls the mask off to eat salad.
And the pupils were just pure black.
tucker carlson
Oh what's that from?
Just being high, someone comes out.
alex jones
Just being sex, yeah, I think my dude.
Um I don't know.
I didn't have I mean, I was like, he was uh I mean, I've never seen anybody with pure black pupils.
unidentified
Really?
alex jones
He was yeah, he pulled it off.
It's like glowing.
He was just shh, and I was like, he said there eating a salad and I went, oh, now I now understand what's going on.
I mean, I I don't know, maybe uh maybe a bunch of methamphetamine mixed with acid they say could do it.
I don't I don't know.
I I looked it up and it's it's hardcore drugs can do that.
Wow.
Um I'm trying to be mean to him.
I felt like I was actually.
tucker carlson
Oh no, you're not being mean to him.
alex jones
I felt like I was being abusive, even letting him on air, you know, when it was because he was obviously out of his mind.
tucker carlson
And that was kind of the la that was the last anyone really really heard from him.
That was it.
Kind of.
That was the end of Kanye, I think.
alex jones
He's like, I'm gonna take the mask off now.
unidentified
And he just pulls it off, and I was just like put an album out after that.
alex jones
Boardroom thing, table heart.
dan friesen
Song called Hail Hitler during the shit.
alex jones
And I'm watching him just like and I was like, wow.
tucker carlson
So there was no one around him who cared enough to keep him off the air in that state, it sounds like definitely not you.
dan friesen
Um yeah, the guy who's going around to all the media hits and uh yelling about Jews and talking about how he loves Hitler and how we're not gonna be mean to Nazis anymore.
How could you ever possibly think that he would be unfit to be on air, shows up in a ski mask and uh wants to look, Alex, I get it.
tucker carlson
Sure.
dan friesen
It's embarrassing.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
That interview is embarrassing.
It is, shouldn't have done it.
tucker carlson
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Looks real bad.
You can't save it with this now.
Being like, oh my god, I didn't know he was on drugs.
You had pretty good reason to assume that he is unwell.
His behavior was entirely unwell, but there's a lot of ratings you can get out of having him on the show.
It's gonna drive clicks.
It's a good spectacle.
Of course you're gonna do it.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
Even if now you have to pretend like, oh my god, I was being so mean to him having him on.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Yes, you were, and you should have known then.
And guess what?
He was on with Nick Fuentes, who you still have on regularly.
jordan holmes
He didn't seem to have Kanye's best interests in mind in in the way that Tucker kind of put it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Hey, Tucker, you interviewed him too, dipshit.
Well.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he did.
dan friesen
Alex 1000% would still have Ye on any time if he would show up.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
He's having Nick Fuentes on all the time.
He doesn't give a shit about any of this.
Whatever would get attention would be fine.
And then if he has to perform some kind of idea of penance or uh regret later, he'll do that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
It's way easier.
Way easier to fake like this than uh not do it and lose money.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So uh we have one last clip.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But this may not be the end, but something happened in this clip.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And then I I kind of got distracted.
tucker carlson
Uh I know you hate talking about this, but I'm just I wanna I want you to explain what's happening with what I think is Let me do this first, because I got the great Tucker Carlson here.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
alex jones
I'm always little Star Trek.
I love you so much.
How much time do we got?
Because I want to hit the real building seven.
I also want to hit some transhumanism, AI stuff.
How much did we play?
I know you're busy.
tucker carlson
I'm not that busy.
alex jones
You got super huge important meetings.
tucker carlson
We got like an hour.
alex jones
Okay, good.
So can I take a five-minute uh break?
Gots to, and then I'm gonna answer every question you got.
I I want to answer them all.
tucker carlson
Perfect.
Thank you.
dan friesen
Yay.
So Alex needed to go to the bathroom, and then I realized I gotta go to the bathroom too.
And so I went to the bathroom and then I forgot to get back to the episode.
And I was really busy this week.
So there's more of this interview.
jordan holmes
Uh is there?
Does it matter?
dan friesen
When I realized that there was more to the interview, right?
I did ask myself that question.
Is there more?
jordan holmes
Is there?
dan friesen
Is there we're relitigating World War II and talking about how Ye was uh whacked out of his brain on seven hits of acid when Alex did his dumb shit interview.
Right.
Uh talking just justifying racism.
Is there more?
jordan holmes
Is there?
Was there anything to the interview?
dan friesen
I think Alex wanted to like in that clip.
Tucker is trying to pivot over to the bankruptcy.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
That's clearly what he's the road that he's starting down.
Right.
Because the primary goal of this is to get people to Alex's new website.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's to get rid of the InfoWars brand and get people to Alex Jones store.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And so that's the direction that Tucker is trying to take this in.
Um and Alex is like, oh man, I want to talk more about building seven.
We gotta talk about he he's uh I think he's getting a little excited.
jordan holmes
He wants to be the conspiracy theorist guy.
He doesn't want to be the guy who's got a business that's falling apart because the government and stuff, and he's gotta yell about shit, and he's gotta do this whole thing, and Owen doesn't love him anymore.
But here, it's you and me, Tucker.
We're talking about building seven, buddy!
dan friesen
I I just my best.
jordan holmes
You've got whiskey.
Give me some.
dan friesen
Or something.
So um we may cover the rest of this on the next episode.
jordan holmes
Possible.
dan friesen
We might not.
jordan holmes
Probably not.
dan friesen
We're probably gonna do it.
Okay.
jordan holmes
Oh, something'll come up.
dan friesen
So um anyway, uh, fuck these dudes.
Uh just the worst.
unidentified
I can't even like they didn't even get into demons.
jordan holmes
I don't I don't God, I hate it that they get to talk about shit that's real, but they you do it in the exact same way that they talk about demons, but then they don't talk about demons, which would be fun.
dan friesen
And I'd like them to talk about demons in the way that you or I might talk about a bill that's being introduced into Congress or something.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Talk about demons' names.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
So we'll check back in, see if they get down to that eventually.
But uh till then, we have website.
jordan holmes
Indeed, we do, it's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
I'm really rooting for you to have superpowers.
jordan holmes
I don't.
dan friesen
Um I don't.
jordan holmes
I've gotta let it go.
dan friesen
But we haven't finished the interview yet.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
That's a good point.
We gotta finish this interview.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Maybe the uh the the slow boil of meeting powers.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
What it is is that the real torture is that I've suddenly been let go of the pain for only just long enough to forget how truly bad the pain was.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And that moment of realization will kick start the mutation, and I will become, I guess, a cloud.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I am uh uh Neo, I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I am running Weapon X. What?
Yeah!
Woo!
unidentified
Yeah!
Woo!
jordan holmes
And now here comes the sex robot.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
andy in kansas
Hello, Alex, I'm a fish, Sam Coller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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