#1079: Knowin' Shroyer- Owen Vs. Babar
In this installment, Dan fails to bring Jordan something fun, and instead tunes in for an Owen stream thinking that it would be about Alex and Infowars, only to find it is mostly complaining about elephants.
Sept. 22, 2025 - Knowledge Fight
02:16:23
Participants
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| Speaker | Time | Text |
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| Dan and Jordan, I'm sweating. | ||
| Knowledgefighting.com. | ||
| It's time to pray. | ||
| And I have great respect for Knowledge Fight. | ||
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys. | ||
| Shang we are the bad guys. | ||
| Knowledge fight. | ||
|
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Dan and Jordan. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| Need money. | ||
| Andy and Panzer. | ||
| Andy and your stop. | ||
| Andy and Pan. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| And Andy. | ||
| It's time to pray. | ||
| Andy and Kansas. | ||
| You're on the air, thanks for holding it. | ||
|
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a big fan caller. | ||
| I love your room. | ||
|
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Knowledge fight. | |
| Knowledgefight.com. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| For a couple dudes. | ||
| Like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are. | ||
| Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Quick question for you. | ||
| What's your bright spot today, buddy? | ||
| My bright spot is uh my parents were in town for the weekend, and we had a nice time. | ||
| Uh on Saturday, we went to a Bigfoot Beach State Park in Wisconsin. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Notoriously where Big Put has been found in the past. | ||
| Well, no. | ||
|
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Oh. | |
| I well, look. | ||
| This is all second or third hand. | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| This is what my dad, I think, was reading in a brochure. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It has nothing to do with squatch. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It has to do with like a chief who maybe some white guy thought was named Bigfoot. | ||
| That makes a lot more sense. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that makes way more sense. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| I I should have just assumed racism. | ||
| Why didn't I do that? | ||
| I really, really thought it was Sasquatch, and the image of Sasquatch Beach State Park sounded so funny in my head. | ||
| How could that not be great? | ||
| Sasquatch on the beach! | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Trunks, the cooler. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Um, it was fine. | ||
| It's a lovely little park. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Some kids playing baseball, some people grilling and camping. | ||
| It really really gave me a charge. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Um, but we, you know, we we weren't staying the night uh or anything. | ||
| But um, yeah. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| Getting out of nature, having a good time. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| What about you? | ||
| What's your red spot? | ||
| Uh, my bright spot is uh rediscovering this band. | ||
| Uh stop me if you are already into this genre. | ||
| Familiar with it. | ||
| Tennis? | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Oh, that is a bad guy. | ||
| No, I know. | ||
| I was that is a band. | ||
| Uh uh, no, uh, you ever hear uh a lot of Australian instrumental rock? | ||
| Um, like uh the didgery do? | ||
| No. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Um, no. | ||
| So Dirty 3 is this uh I don't know what to describe it to you as other than like incredibly sad music for very specific music nerds. | ||
| Who are also Australian. | ||
| Uh no. | ||
| I'm uh just anywhere. | ||
| Yeah, weirdly enough. | ||
| Uh I don't think they're huge in Australia. | ||
| Uh Did you say Australia? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Okay. | ||
|
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Yes. | |
| Because you just made me think I imagined that. | ||
| No, I think I think I may have imagined them. | ||
| Um but they have so there's one thing about them that I particularly enjoy, which is that the violin uh we think of oftentimes in like the Vivaldi way as a very sweet, you know, kind of high-pitched, uh, you know, a very beautiful note. | ||
| But if you tune it down low and you kind of use a uh real kind of scruffed up bow, sure, you can get a really dark sound. | ||
| Like it this music sounds like if if you walked into a saloon, a ghost cowboy is listening to it. | ||
| Like, yeah, that's all right, here we go. | ||
| It's haunted with uh with a whiskey back. | ||
| Yeah, and and that that violin sound, it's just it's just like that that fiddle. | ||
| You know, it's that primordial, this is before violins were good. | ||
| This is dark. | ||
| This is deep. | ||
| This is what's in your heart, you old man. | ||
| Like, that's it's beautiful. | ||
| This instrument is bad. | ||
| I love it so much. | ||
|
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Oh god. | |
| Yeah, it's great. | ||
| Well, that's actually sold me. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That sounds interesting. | ||
| It's really good. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So uh today, something that is also shitty. | ||
| Yeah, uh, much like that violin is uh we have an episode to go over. | ||
| Oh shit. | ||
| And we're gonna go a little bit off the beaten path, but it's also still sort of on the beaten path. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And uh we'll talk about that here in a second. | ||
| But first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new walls. | ||
| Ooh, that's a great idea. | ||
| So first, my dog Pickles for always keeping it real and helping me plot my world takeover on these early 3 a.m. knowledge fight listen sessions. | ||
| Thank you so much, you're now policy walk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, what's your take on Enya? | ||
| Best artist of our generation or best artist of our lifetime. | ||
| Also, I love my wife Lily, and I might have pooped my pants at work. | ||
| Derek Woods, read my name, goddammit. | ||
| Thank you so much, you're now Paul's walk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| I would never have put his full name out there, but he literally said read my name, goddammit. | ||
| So yeah, I would have respected privacy, but then uh hey, what do you gonna do? | ||
| I got yelled. | ||
| That's a demand. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Also, I like Enya. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Um to Bill, sorry but not sorry for the twice weekly 7 a.m. today on Knowledge Fight texts from the treadmill. | ||
| Thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Okay, and we got a technical credit next, Jordan. | ||
| So thank you so much to to my wonderful wife Alex. | ||
| Thanks to you uh for joining my knowledge fight i5 commute obsession. | ||
| Love you. | ||
| Dan, please pay play the little breaky drop, because I think my wife will find it hilarious. | ||
| Shit. | ||
| I still don't remember which one it is. | ||
| 5050 shop. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| I have risen above my enemies. | ||
| I I might quit tomorrow, actually. | ||
| I'm just gonna take a little breaky down. | ||
| A little breaky from me. | ||
| And then we're going to come back and I'm gonna start the show over. | ||
| But I'm the devil! | ||
|
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I gotta be taking off here up in all this. | |
| Fuck you. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| I got plenty of words for you, but at the end of the day, fuck you and your new world order and fuck the horse you rode in on and all your shit. | ||
| Maybe today's gonna last broadcast. | ||
| Maybe I'll just be gone a month, maybe five years. | ||
| Maybe I'll walk out of here tomorrow. | ||
| And you never see me again. | ||
| That's really what I want to do. | ||
| I never want to come back hearing you. | ||
| I apologize to the crew and the listeners yesterday that I was legitimately having breakdowns on air. | ||
| I'll be better tomorrow. | ||
| Nope. | ||
|
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Nope. | |
| It won't be. | ||
| But we won't know. | ||
|
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Oh. | |
| Because on our last episode, Jordan, I made a promise. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And by that I mean I uh stray uh mentioned. | ||
| You obliquely mentioned, yeah. | ||
| That I might look for something fun to do today. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so I did. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I I didn't want to just cover Alex's boring uh response uh and continuing uh hysteria around uh Charlie Kirk. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And so I was like, ah, let's let's look what see what Jim Baker's been up to. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so I found an episode where a lady escaped from hell. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And I was so close. | ||
| I was like, uh, this could be this could be great. | ||
| Are you kidding me? | ||
| But then I watched it, and it turns out all she did was run. | ||
| What? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's it! | ||
| She found herself in hell. | ||
| There was a giant skull. | ||
| She started running, and before she knew it, she was back in her body running. | ||
| God damn it, woman. | ||
| Fucking zhuzh it up a little bit. | ||
| If that is true, which of course it's not. | ||
| Why even bother telling it without shitty way? | ||
| Well, because she was she was talking about how she did a lot of drugs, and maybe that is what she experienced or something. | ||
| You know, like I'll I'll give her a pass on like seeing a skull and imagining something. | ||
| The courts of heaven guy. | ||
| That guy commits. | ||
| He's not just gonna run. | ||
| He's going to build a whole backstory. | ||
| He's gonna do some parkour. | ||
| The man is going to get out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And and when I have like uh in front of me the title, I escape from hell or whatever, and five minutes into the episode, I'm bored by how you escape from hell. | ||
| No bad sign. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| So I I kept poking around a little bit. | ||
| Just trying to find something other than Alex's show. | ||
| And I saw that Owen Troyer had re-entered the fray. | ||
| Oh no. | ||
| And as much as I said that I didn't want to talk about him anymore, I was drawn into watching his stream. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| There just hasn't been anyone that I can think of that's been in the situation that he's in. | ||
| Other people have left InfoWars in the past, but not tried to continue being right wing media figures like Jakari Jackson. | ||
| People have disappeared from InfoWars, but not on like overtly hostile terms, like a Paul Joseph Watson. | ||
| Some people have left InfoWars on hostile terms and wanted to continue in right wing media, but they were dead in the water, like David Knight. | ||
| I can't think of anyone else who has the combination of attributes that Owen currently has. | ||
| He wants to continue being a figure in this media space. | ||
| He left InfoWars in an ugly public spectacle, and he isn't David Knight. | ||
| I've seen a lot of things in my time, you know, covering The info war, but this is actually new, even if Owen himself isn't very compelling. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| And so a sick part of my brain needed to see where this is going. | ||
| How he ends up playing this really weird hand that he's been dealt. | ||
| Like, there's an obvious way to do it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which is destroy Alex. | ||
| And eat from his bones. | ||
| Here's the problem is that I don't I don't want to follow up with him because I strongly suspect no matter what it is he chooses to do, I will say what you should be doing is something completely different, you fucking idiot. | ||
| Yeah, and I think you that might be where you end up at the at the conclusion of this episode. | ||
| But uh on September 16th, he released a stream titled The Elephants in the Room. | ||
| And if I were guessing based on the title, I would bet that this would be about Alex going off on him and accusing him of extortion and being a demon and being a snitch. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| The proverbial elephant in the room is that he left a media job of almost a decade, and his former boss is burning him on air a ton. | ||
| Regularly. | ||
| Losing his shit. | ||
| Constantly. | ||
| And to the point where he's using the staff and Owen's old friends against him. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| What a great divorce. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Maybe it's because Alex's coverage of the Kirk shooting was so distasteful that I wanted to put him in time out. | ||
| Or maybe I'm a messy bitch who lives for the drama, and I wanted to see Owen hit Alex back. | ||
| But for whatever reason, I checked out this stream, and it wasn't quite what I expected. | ||
| But it did tell me a lot about how Owen is choosing to define himself in this new right-wing media ecosystem. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And I think it's worth reflecting on a little bit. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Even if he does still suck. | ||
| Spoiler alert, this isn't gonna be like amazing. | ||
| Yeah, no, I I I strongly suspect. | ||
| Here's what I'll even go so far as to guess. | ||
| I strongly expect he has not understood what the phrase elephants in the room means, and he is not talking about the actual literal elephant in the room. | ||
| Um he's no. | ||
| It's I mean, uh like it's it's infuriating. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Um but he starts off as he has uh in past streams with a song that he's gonna get sued for playing if he tries to monetize these episodes. | ||
| Ladies and gentlemen, Owen Schroyer Live, episode 11. | ||
| The elephants in the room. | ||
| Damn, I miss you, Chester. | ||
| The elephants in the room. | ||
| This one's gonna be pretty epic. | ||
|
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But first, brand new Limp Biscuit. | |
| Brand new Limp Biscuit. | ||
| Still making great music. | ||
| Almost as unbelievable of everything else. | ||
| That we're being told to believe. | ||
| New Limp Biscuit as the audience gets live with us here. | ||
| Enjoy. | ||
| Look, I've been on record for a long time that Limp Biscuit is not as bad as people want them to be. | ||
| Fred Durst was a little embarrassing, and a lot of their humor doesn't stand the test of time. | ||
| But I will argue that they are a better band than the punchline that most people remember them to I think Owen's being sincere here, though. | ||
| I think he does like Limp Biscuits. | ||
| I agree 100%. | ||
| It's a strange thing, though, because Limp Biscuit's been pretty clear that they don't like people like him. | ||
| New metal has an aesthetic that's very right-wing coded, mostly because of the you know, right-wing figures in the media. | ||
| They like to pretend that they have a monopoly over things like masculinity, aggression, poverty, and being white. | ||
| Underneath a lot of those surface level things, a lot of the time, these figures are more progressive than they appear to be. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| For instance, after the 2016 RNC, Limp Biscuits guitarist Wes Borland came out and directly told Trump fans to go fuck themselves and stop following him. | ||
| Owen plays Limp Biscuits' new song, which is called Making Love to Morgan Wallen, a title he strangely never says. | ||
| Weird that he doesn't bring it up. | ||
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Weird. | |
| The first line of that song is Damn I miss you, Chester, which is a reference to Lincoln Park's lead singer Chester Bennington, who died of suicide in 2017. | ||
| I love Lincoln Park's first few albums, and if you could listen to their music and ever think that they would like Owen Schreuer, you're insane. | ||
| If you can't pick up on the subtext of their songs, Chester did tweet in 2015, quote, Donald Trump is a greater threat to the United States than terrorism. | ||
| This is a remarkable song choice for Owen because it reveals how shallow his analysis of everything around him is. | ||
| He sees Fred Durst and assumes He's just a cool racist like Kid Rock, but he's the guy who directed the rearranged music video. | ||
| Owen is one of the people watching Limp Biscuit get drowned in milk, and he doesn't even realize it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's metaphorically the people that they want to break their face. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, I know. | ||
| He Owen could not, the moment he said it's new Limp Biscuit, he he could not more be the guy he is. | ||
| That is exactly what he should say. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like Fred Durst's done interviews about how, like, man, all the people that I would have hated are now dressed up like me at my concert. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And how surreal that is. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And that's Owen. | ||
| Yeah, I can't what is it? | ||
| What was it the throbbing gristle who deliberately dressed like Nazis is is like the inverse of that. | ||
| Like people, if you do uh stuff like that, then they start dressing like you, so they dress like Nazis in order. | ||
| It was very strange. | ||
| It didn't make a lot of sense. | ||
| I feel like now I don't want to get into Rommstein again. | ||
| But didn't they they had some weird like sort of aesthetics, but that might have just been like darker. | ||
| Yeah, I think that was more like they were doing a thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know. | ||
| Yeah, I also was thinking about this. | ||
| Like Fred Durst was doing the red cap before Trump. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| He's gotta feel pissed off about that. | ||
| He's lost a lot of money to the Trump caps. | ||
| Yeah, and yet somehow he still kept rolling rolling rolling. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Uh I made that joke on the last episode. | ||
| I know. | ||
| We're gonna keep doing it forever. | ||
| He stole it. | ||
| So uh he comes uh back from uh the Limp Biscuit and there's big news at the Owen stream. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Brand new Limp Biscuit tonight. | ||
| How about that? | ||
| I hadn't heard that either. | ||
| We're both hearing it together for the first time. | ||
| I thoroughly enjoyed that. | ||
| Owen Shroyer Live, episode one hundred and sixteen, the elephants in the room coming to you as always through the Owen dot gold microphone, become a member of the club at Owen.gold, the only membership that pays you back in gold. | ||
| All right. | ||
| We're gonna address the elephants in the room tonight. | ||
| So it looks like Owen's plan to get sponsors for all the little aspects of his show is well underway, with his microphone having its own sponsor. | ||
| Owen dot gold is bringing you this microphone, which is incidentally the same microphone that he was using last time. | ||
| Isn't that crazy? | ||
| Owen.gold takes you to a webpage for a company called Wolfpack.gold, which is unsurprisingly a gold sales operation. | ||
| Wolfpack Gold is an online precious metals and bitcoin shop, which is owned by another company called Wise Wolf, which is a precious metals physical uh store with locations in Branson, Missouri, and Denison, Texas. | ||
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Okay. | |
| I think that gold companies are kind of inherently sketchy, but when they have multiple similar aliases, that should be a big red flag. | ||
| So Wolfpack.gold offers nine levels of membership. | ||
| Already out. | ||
| Ranging from the lowly thirty-five dollars a month Wolf Cub all the way up to Zen Wolf. | ||
| Thirty-five dollars a month for what? | ||
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Gold. | |
| Oh my god. | ||
| You know how much Zen Wolf is? | ||
| They don't tell you. | ||
| Twelve hundred dollars. | ||
| It's starting at two thousand a month. | ||
| Get the fuck out of here. | ||
| Starting. | ||
| You guys are thieves. | ||
| That's the floor. | ||
| My God. | ||
| So each membership level has a different rarity of coins or medals that you get sent each month, which is almost like printing money. | ||
| As long as you never give members more value than the membership costs, it's a perfect way to make a scammy business even shadier. | ||
| That's the s that's the scammiest thing I've ever heard in my entire life. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You give us an actual value, and we will give you a possible value. | ||
| Now, if you understand capitalism, guess where we make money. | ||
| Um, in that possibility. | ||
| In that possible range. | ||
| Yeah, because if you're, you know, you're paying ten bucks for something you give the you get 35 from somebody for you're making twenty-five. | ||
| How do you not That's great? | ||
| How do you not understand that that is a scam immediately? | ||
| Yeah, it's so perfect. | ||
| What an asshole. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| So the privacy notice on Wolfpack.gold's website informs people who go to it that the company is run by an entity called Wise Wolf Digital Strategies L L C A Wise Wolf Bitcoin. | ||
| This is an operation run by a guy named Tony Arr uh Arterburn Jr., a longtime cryptocurrency promoter who's from Rockwall, Texas, the same Dallas suburb where Alex grew up. | ||
| That sounds right. | ||
| Tony Arterburn Senior's name appears on a ton of filing documents with the Secretary of State uh of Texas For what appear to be gas stations and check cashing places. | ||
| Whereas most of junior's businesses appear to be like in the crypto field. | ||
| This is a fucking family business. | ||
| It's stealing money from regular people. | ||
| But I think it goes deeper than this, but I just couldn't quite pull the thread. | ||
| Yeah, you think they're full on mobbed up kind of level. | ||
| I don't no, I don't think so. | ||
| But I think it's there's a weird family thing going on. | ||
| Alright, all right, all right. | ||
| I I I couldn't figure out the relationship, but I think that they're related to Steven Arbor Arthurburn, who's the founder of New Life Ministries, one of the most profitable Christian organizations in the world. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They have the same last name, and Steven's from Ranger, Texas, which is also just outside Dallas, which makes me think that they're probably related. | ||
| Could be, but I'm not totally sure. | ||
| I couldn't get to the bottom of this. | ||
| Uh Steven wrote a book. | ||
| Like Tony Sr., I think would be the age to be Steven's brother. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And he wrote a book about how his brother died of AIDS in 1988. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And he has another brother, but I can't find his name. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Oh man. | ||
| And everything, all the interviews, the only information I could find about the third Arbor. | ||
| Archer Byrne. | ||
| Arthur Burn brother is that he was also gay. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And so that makes me think that it's not Tony Jr. | ||
| It could be because possible. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| No, anything is possible. | ||
| Anyway, with the Archer Burns. | ||
| It's too uncommon of a name, I think. | ||
| I mean, I of all the things to share, and then to also be scammers. | ||
| It feels like genetically, there's some sort of connection there. | ||
| So either Owen's microphone sponsor is part of the uh well one of the most influential Christian families in the country, or he's a crypto enthusiast who has the same last name. | ||
| Either way, bad investment, uh, but perfect scam. | ||
| Ten out of ten. | ||
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I mean, it's just it's just amazing. | |
| It really is amazing that you can do it. | ||
| I just you know, I feel like at a certain point we were making movies about con people that took pride in their work. | ||
| You know, like not this is this is just uh like trap fishing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's all this is. | ||
| This is just putting a line out and waiting until you've got fish. | ||
| It's a smash and grab. | ||
| Yeah, this is this is not the the cultivating a long-term relationship only to pull the rug at the very final second. | ||
| Yeah, and you you know, there's a there's a buck sixty-five, he's a Canadian rapper. | ||
| Where he's just talking about the process of shining a shoe. | ||
| You know? | ||
| And you know, they don't do it like they used to. | ||
| You gotta take pride in your work, no matter what that work may be. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's selling gold, you gotta do better than that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it's it's such an interesting thing where it's like, okay, he's learned from Alex. | ||
| Like, this is this is him mirroring Alex's behavior. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But also doing a version of it that is so transparently a scam. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That like, I feel like Alex wouldn't do this. | ||
| Uh I mean maybe earlier on. | ||
| At the very least, he would be less like a straight-up radio man about it. | ||
| You know, Alex would try and find a way to put it into a different context of like, here's a thing that is happening. | ||
| This is also my sponsor, as opposed to I'm talking into this microphone sponsored by scams. | ||
| Yeah, he would desperately try to make sure you knew it was in your best interest. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Whereas Owen's like, the gold membership that pays you back in gold. | ||
| Fuck off. | ||
| Oh, it sounds too good to be true. | ||
| I I just can't. | ||
| I'm proud of him. | ||
| So this uh the elephants are in the room. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I was like, what fucking elephants? | ||
| Are you gonna get into this? | ||
| Are you gonna talk shit on Alex or what? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Step up. | ||
| Instead, he starts talking about Charlie Kirk. | ||
| God damn and how he's dead. | ||
| You know, this this story has obviously gone in many different directions. | ||
| It's it's captivated the political world for obvious reasons. | ||
| And I think now it's gonna force this this entire movement to confront the elephants in the room. | ||
| And that's what we're gonna talk about tonight. | ||
| We're gonna talk about the elephants in the room, because what I see coming is let's call it a come to Jesus moment. | ||
| No pun intended. | ||
| But I think we're staring down? | ||
| So in case you're curious, the elephants in the room are like Jewish people and they're being a Zionist occupied government. | ||
| Of course it is. | ||
| Owen's gonna try to play semantic games and pretend that he's criticizing the Israeli government or Zionism, but there's a reason that he feels the need to call out the come to Jesus pun aspect of this because it's about Jew. | ||
| Okay, so now I get where it's a pun. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| I should have I should have assumed that that's it. | ||
| That's an anti Semitic pun. | ||
| See, I didn't get that. | ||
| That's the elephant in the room. | ||
| That's what I didn't. | ||
| I didn't know that you could just do like loose anti-Semitic puns in the dit from a distance. | ||
| You can. | ||
| If you're Owen when you got a gold. | ||
| When you got that gold. | ||
| So, um I think that Owen has an interesting level of insight into the community that he's a part of. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Although I don't think he's processing it well. | ||
| Everything we're going through here, everything we've been through together, all the moments that have led to this, all seem to be building up to where we're about to be. | ||
| And and this moment that we're about to have all of us together is gonna be the big come to Jesus moment. | ||
| And and I think everything after that tells us where we're really at. | ||
| And sometimes, you know, maybe you feel this way about this one story or that one story, or one person does, or a couple. | ||
| This one, everybody seems to be kind of on the same frequency. | ||
| On the same vibe. | ||
| Now, things might be going different directions, but everybody kind of feels this. | ||
| Everybody kind of feels that we're we're about to have this moment together. | ||
| And it's gonna be the most telling moment of where we're really at politically. | ||
| And where we're really at with this Trump administration. | ||
| That moment is now directly in front of us. | ||
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| And the Kirk assassination has forced us now all into the room together. | ||
| And there are elephants in the room. | ||
| There are elephants in the room, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| Baba bar, king of the elephants, right over there. | ||
| So Owen, I think, is more or less right about what he's describing here. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| The MAGA movement has to decide whether it's the Fourth Reich or not. | ||
| And pretty much everyone in his media space gets that they've fucked up the game and they're gonna be forced to show their cards. | ||
| On a basic level, the Patriot nationalist movement that Owen is describing, it's a mutation that grew out of two ideologies. | ||
| One, the South should have won the civil war, and two, communism is the greatest evil in the world. | ||
| The natural combination of these two strains gets found in the belief that like the civil rights movement was a secret communist plot to overthrow Christianity. | ||
| And, you know, when these come together, good things happen. | ||
| Peanut butter and chocolate comes together. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Their worldview is based on being mad when society comes together to agree to stop beating up particular groups of people for being different, which is why their big tent includes so many racists and Nazis. | ||
| Whether or not they agree on everything, they have basic causes in common, like maintaining what they believe is the natural social hierarchy. | ||
| At a certain point, it became poor form to express their views publicly because they sucked, and the basic point that they were trying to make was something that our culture had already rejected. | ||
| They couldn't push their ideas about racial supremacy without risking being beaten up or ostracized from polite society, so they adapted. | ||
| They used codes that allowed them to communicate their bigoted ideas while appearing to say uh be saying something more socially acceptable. | ||
| So they could have their cake and eat it too. | ||
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| They didn't realize that they were sitting in a boat on a calm lake where they got to signal to racists and energize their audience with direct appeals to racist shit while pretending that they were talking about politics, because that lake was artificially propped up by the damn that is political correctness. | ||
| Right. | ||
| In their zeal to tear down all the annoying aspects of PC culture, they didn't realize that if everyone can just speak freely, then no one will buy their half-assed racism anymore. | ||
| In the past, it was completely plausible to think that someone like Alex was secretly talking about the Jews when he said globalists, but he knew that if he spoke freely, he'd be taken off air. | ||
| But now, it's pretty clear you can say whatever the fuck you want, and no one's gonna stop you. | ||
| If you insult Trump in a way that pisses him off personally, you might be in trouble, but no one can possibly believe that anyone is holding their tongue out of fear of being called a racist anymore. | ||
| Like that's insane. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So that environment requires facing some elephants in the room. | ||
| The time is fast approaching when these guys are gonna have to put up or shut up, and I think Owen realizes that. | ||
| And if he reads the comments on his videos, then he also realizes that when that moment of truth comes, he's gonna have to go Nazi to keep an audience. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like there's not enough people who are wanting the code. | ||
| Well, I mean, that's that's what I don't understand. | ||
| I understand why he's doing this because this is the classic mistake that people like him make every single time. | ||
| Okay, I just fucked up and lost this thing. | ||
| I'll just go recreate the same thing somewhere else. | ||
| Nobody wants that. | ||
| Nobody wanted it at the thing that you were at, but you were propped up by that thing. | ||
| Yeah by Alex. | ||
| Yeah, right. | ||
| But now you're actually free. | ||
| Part of the reason that you were mad at the old place was because you weren't allowed to do or say that you know, don't do this shit. | ||
| Do something different, evolve, change, grow. | ||
| But I mean, if you're a Nazi, you can't really do that. | ||
| Not really. | ||
| Everything's backward facing. | ||
| It is everything is trying to claw back like uh things that you perceive as losses of your power. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so like there is there is no real like experimental growing. | ||
| That's why his show would be called the Owen Report. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And you have a roast segment sponsored by a coffee brand. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, he's not creative. | ||
| No, I mean, the entire philosophy is based on what is mine, I shouldn't have to go get because it's already supposed to be mine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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| So, yeah. | ||
| And uh, I think I think that there's this really bizarre tone that he strikes, which is like, I think he reads this correctly in terms of like his media space, their game has like there's a hole in the boat. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's sinking to do something. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I think that he is misdiagnosed this as like I can just use a little bit further code. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't have to go all the way. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I can st I I can just be a little bit edgier. | ||
| I'll be like the the reverse Lincoln project. | ||
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| I'll be like the conservatives who are like a little bit liberal, so they get a free pass, I guess. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| Yeah, I think I think he wants that and doesn't realize that like no, no, no. | ||
| The point of the hole in the boat is that like you don't have supplies to patch it up. | ||
| You're not, it's not gonna work. | ||
| Yeah, he has the he has the the like survival instinct of of working at InfoWars for a long time, but he doesn't have the ability to think through what is actually happening. | ||
| He just knows like there's a tingle on the back of my neck, something's up, that kind of thing. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, and and uh like there's almost there's almost like an analytical ability, but then a complete absence of any like wherewithal. | ||
| Like Alex had always been the the uh the locomotives the engine, right? | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| And Alex, because Alex was never a true believer, was always able to, you know, like eh, maybe I'm not supposed to do this, but here's where I go, and now I'm making a lot of money. | ||
| Let's get back to those true believer ideas a little bit later in this uh this episode. | ||
| So um there's elephants in the room. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Pack a derms. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Um and Owen starts to talk about some of these these elephants. | ||
| And now, because of the Kirk assassination, we're all put into the room together, and we have to confront these elephants. | ||
| So how can they be ignored? | ||
| They can't anymore. | ||
| The elephants in the room. | ||
| You've got the Iran Israel war, the Iran strikes. | ||
| You've got the continued war in the Middle East, and you've got Israel bombing at least seven countries this year alone. | ||
| I think it might have just gone up to eight, actually. | ||
| You've got the Ukraine-Russia war continuing. | ||
| And you got the United States still involved in every single one of these things. | ||
| Every single one of these things, the United States of America is still involved in. | ||
| And this is not what we voted for. | ||
| This is not what we want. | ||
| Owen is making it seem like the elephant in the room is that the GOP is eager for war, which is a fair point, I guess. | ||
| It's absolutely what they voted for, though. | ||
| Like these dipshits wanted him to take over Canada and the moon. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's not an elephant in the room. | ||
| Tons of people are criticizing the Trump administration for being too hawkish, and even in right-wing media circles, that's not an edgy position. | ||
| This isn't the point that Owen is making. | ||
| This is preamble. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is this is laying track for what the elephant is. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| The specific regions that we're talking about. | ||
| Why is America in those specific areas probably from the somebody else's influence and blah blah blah blah blah. | ||
| And if those somebody else's happen to have two-way citizenship, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| And if we start to like name more elephants, maybe patterns emerge. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So the continued war, the continued funding of war. | ||
| This is an elephant in the room. | ||
| This is an elephant in the room. | ||
| You've got the MAGA movement. | ||
| The MAGA culture, the MAGA media, the MAGA politics. | ||
| It has now been co-opted by never Trumpers and Israeli loyalists. | ||
| That's a fact. | ||
| A victim of an anti-Semitic speech gets more direct access... | ||
| And Hart felt welcoming to the White House than a purple heart veteran that was persecuted for January 6th and spent years in jail. | ||
| That's a fact. | ||
| Well, I mean, you dumb shits tried to overthrow the country for the guy. | ||
| Like, why would he want to hang out with you? | ||
| Do you think that if you fight a war, then you get one get out of jail free card? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Is that how it works? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Unless you're a dem. | ||
| I mean, is that should that be how it works? | ||
| Like if you fight if you fight a if you get a purple heart, you can commit one overthrowing a government. | ||
| No. | ||
| No? | ||
| No. | ||
| You don't think so? | ||
| It can't be one-to-one. | ||
| I believe he's advocating for some level of that. | ||
| It's a weird system that he wants to have like credits. | ||
| It would be credits. | ||
| It would be a credit system for overthrowing governments. | ||
| So as Owen goes through the elephants that he sees in the room, you start to see a little bit of a thread emerge. | ||
| He's just saying that Israel runs our government, which is the same thing that the extreme right wing has been saying the whole time he's been alive. | ||
| When he was just a baby, the Aryan Nations people were yelling about a Zog, and Alex was running around suggesting they say globalists and making a buck off it. | ||
| He's trying to be both. | ||
| Yeah, I motherfuckers. | ||
| I was reading that Nick Fuentes New York Times piece, and you know what I was thinking? | ||
| David Duke was in the New York Times first. | ||
| We've been doing this for a long time. | ||
| Yeah, there's there's nothing really new about the uh attempt that Owen is is clearly like the line he's trying to walk. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Um it's just, I don't know. | ||
| It's uninspiring. | ||
| But there's more elephants. | ||
| I mean, really, the ironic part of this, of course, is that because Owen is Owen, there are really only two elephants in the room, Epstein and Alex, and he's probably not gonna talk about either of them, is he? | ||
| No, well, actually, you know what? | ||
| I mean, like, I think that is his uh it's not d in-depth talk about Epstein, but it he is very clear that like Trump fucked us on that. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And so, like, it I that's not even a question. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So he's pretty clear about that. | ||
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Like, Trump. | |
| I think he even says like Trump broke up with us over that. | ||
| So we're done. | ||
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Good. | |
| Good for him. | ||
| So, like, I'm not I'm not uh forcing him to wear Trump forever into the future. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| But he can't undo everything he's done up till this point. | ||
| That is kind of the idea. | ||
| Um But these elephants. | ||
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| Elon, kind of an elephant. | ||
| Okay, elephant adjacent. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You've got the fallout with Elon Musk and Doge. | ||
| Where's that going? | ||
| Throw in the audit of the gold at Fort Knox if you want. | ||
| What happened to Doge? | ||
| What happened with Elon Musk? | ||
| What happened there? | ||
| That's an elephant in the room. | ||
| And when you've got Netanyahu's campaign manager, Susie Wiles now running the White House, all of these things tie together. | ||
| That's an elephant in the room. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Susie Wiles uh one of uh Nick Fuentes' popularized her as a target of why there's infiltration in the White House. | ||
| She's the chief of staff. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Um, and so you know, he's just coasting on that kind of momentum of blaming her for why the deep state is there. | ||
| Wild. | ||
| Um, and so I mean, it's just, you know, more of the same. | ||
| Like pathologically incapable of taking responsibility for their actions or beliefs or anything. | ||
| Isn't that it's wild how stridently they are unwilling to take responsibility for the things they shout about all day every day. | ||
| Or reflect. | ||
| Why would you? | ||
| That is how you get killed. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it it's so weird because there is like the tiniest little bit of reflection. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And like Owen is manifesting that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The elementary school version of reflection where he's like, Wait, wait, wait. | ||
| There's no arrests happening. | ||
| Wait, wait, wait. | ||
| What what's going on? | ||
| I thought we were playing a game, guys. | ||
| Where are the deep state arrests? | ||
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Where are the deep state arrests? | |
| Don't look at me like that. | ||
| Don't look at me like that. | ||
| I can't see you. | ||
| You're talking to me. | ||
| I thought we were all in agreement here. | ||
| I thought we were all in agreement that the 2020 election was stolen. | ||
| I thought we were all in agreement that COVID was a weapon. | ||
| I thought we were all in agreement that January 6th was a setup. | ||
| I thought we were all in agreement that the Russian collusion hoax was a crime against this country. | ||
| I thought we were all in agreement that the Obama administration illegally spied on Trump and other Americans. | ||
| I thought we were all in agreement here. | ||
| I thought we were all in agreement that the Biden administration just allowed, facilitated, funded, led the way for an invasion of our country. | ||
| The biggest land invasion in the history of the world. | ||
| A permanent damage done to our country. | ||
| I thought we were all in agreement that that happened. | ||
| You can't convince me that Owen worked at InfoWars for almost a decade and thought they were taking this stuff seriously. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Sure, they all say they believe that dumb shit, but unless it's important to what's going on today, who cares? | ||
| Biden did a land invasion of the United States, but the anti-transhisteria is what's getting the audience excited right now, so that's when Alex's coverage is gonna be. | ||
| Owen is stupid, but I find it really hard to believe he could be this stupid. | ||
| If he is, that's dangerous levels of dumb. | ||
| I mean, I think he can be. | ||
| I think if you are in the same way that if Alex is has been enabled so uh so completely in such a way that you can see him behaving like this and will never stop behaving like this. | ||
| I think Owen has been uh uh enabled insofar as nobody's challenged him on how stupid he is. | ||
| Why would you? | ||
| Yeah, no, I mean that's fair. | ||
| It's been a long time since there has been like uh uh the like a grindstone to sharpen anything. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Like but like here's what I here's how I would put it. | ||
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| If he's that dumb, he thinks that that gold is a good deal. | ||
| Like he that's how dumb he has to be. | ||
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I I listen. | |
| I am not ruling out the possibility that he does think that that gold is a good deal. | ||
| Man, that's bleak. | ||
| I I'm uh listen, I don't have any respect for Alex. | ||
| Yeah, it's hard it's hard for me to pretend I do either. | ||
| But like he's talking about this like I thought we were all serious. | ||
| That's what I'm hearing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it sounds genuine. | ||
| Nah, it sounds at least like the performance of genuine. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| It's hard to tell exactly. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| But one way or another, he's gonna learn the hard way that there's a reason that Alex does what he does. | ||
| Actually, there's two reasons. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| One is that it's necessary in order to keep the show exciting and feel like the end of the world is constantly happening, which is the only way to push sales. | ||
| Alex's show was the profit driver of info wars because he didn't let yesterday's land invasion get in the way of today's panic. | ||
| The second uh thing is that if Owen tries to impose continuity on his narratives, everything is gonna fall apart. | ||
| Nothing in this world makes any sense if the past exists, and if you try to make the past mean anything, it means that you have to learn in the future. | ||
| Whatever amazing revelation you had today has to be part of your knowledge base tomorrow. | ||
| So you have to build from there, and that's fucking impossible if you're trying to play these dumb games. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Alex's strategy, which Owen is insulting, is the perfect fix for both of these problems with sensationalist bullshit propaganda, and Owen's gonna find out that without it, his show is gonna be boring and unprofitable. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's just it's it's like doing something without spice. | ||
| No, it sounds like he's it sounds like he's actually like you know what? | ||
| I think people want a dry new show. | ||
| Like from I'm America's anchor. | ||
| Yeah, like he just I I don't think he understands the space. | ||
| I think he's been given But that's the problem. | ||
| He's showing insight. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But I mean that but that's the thing. | ||
| He understands it's it is like it's like an AR game, right? | ||
| Like overlaid on top of reality is all of his bullshit on top of all of the total bullshit from the right wing that he's supposed to believe, on top of all of this stuff. | ||
| But once you strip away the layers and all that stuff, he's got nothing. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, that may be. | ||
| I I I wonder like how long it'll take. | ||
| Like for it to become clear that like this is uh not a market that has a lot of interest. | ||
| And you're going to just constantly be losing people out of boredom. | ||
| I I wonder if he's going to be able to or I wonder if he's gonna try and adapt in a terrible way. | ||
| Like uh like uh the news radio episode of uh real deal with Bill McNeil, right? | ||
| Where they're just going around like Chuck D and we can't do anything, so let's get let's just edit Seinfeld together and make it sound you know, just let's make up anything to be sensational. | ||
| Because if we do what we say we want to do, it's going to be a failure. | ||
| I think it will be a strategy that's considered. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It has to be. | ||
| So um there's a free speech crackdown going on. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| That's another elephant, baby. | ||
| You got now the crackdown on free speech intensified. | ||
| With some of the latest things that Pam Bondi has said. | ||
| We're gonna have that clip for you. | ||
| The crackdown on free speech now from this administration. | ||
| That's an elephant in the room. | ||
| And then the Epstein Files cover up. | ||
| Which continues, by the way. | ||
| Continues to this day. | ||
| Fact happened last week, happened again this week, probably gonna happen again tomorrow. | ||
| The continuation of the Epstein Files cover-up. | ||
| Now I won't even get into that. | ||
| Because that's its own story with new developments that doesn't make any sense. | ||
| You covering it up? | ||
| It makes perfect sense. | ||
| The Epstein Files cover-up is an elephant in the room. | ||
| So all these elephants have been in the room, but we've never really been forced into the same room together yet. | ||
| Everybody's kind of been off doing their own thing. | ||
| Some people in the honeymoon phase, some people growing a little sour, a little bitter. | ||
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Some people turning completely. | |
| Some people kind of floating around, grifting off what remains of MAGA. | ||
| Some people trying to co-opt it or bring it back together, some people focusing on midterms. | ||
| So we've all just kind of been, yeah, okay, we won. | ||
| Now we're kind of all doing our own little things and sometimes converging, but you know, kind of everybody spread across the map. | ||
| But now, after the Charlie Kirk assassination, we're all in the room together. | ||
| Here we all are here. | ||
| By the way, you know. | ||
| Just just like a funeral, which is coming up. | ||
| I think it's a little passive aggressive. | ||
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| Um, but in order for me to make the point that I want to make about these these elephants and what he's talking about, I need to jump ahead a little bit later in the show to when Owen actually plays this clip of Pam Bondy. | ||
| Okay, and we get his response to it. | ||
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| You're supposed to be draining the swamp, arresting the deep state criminals. | ||
| Instead, you're pushing to criminalize speech. | ||
| Anything, and that's across the aisle. | ||
| I I mean, look what happened. | ||
| Think about Josh Shapiro. | ||
| What happened to Governor Shapiro? | ||
| I talked to Josh multiple times. | ||
| Democrat governor, Jewish, they firebombed his house while his wife and children were sleeping upstairs. | ||
| It's a miracle. | ||
| Nothing worse happened to it's a miracle that nothing happened to Josh and he and his family are safe. | ||
| They're traumatized, but that's what's happened in this world, and we are gonna fight every step of the way to show that you will face the most severe consequences if you come after someone and you target someone for their political views or for any for any reason at all. | ||
| Wait, we will come after you free speech. | ||
| And of course, what is it all about? | ||
| Oh, it's all about anti-Semitism, of course. | ||
| We're sick of it, man. | ||
| We're sick of it. | ||
| Sick of a man. | ||
| I mean, I I assume that that wrecked burning ash of a building is pretty sick of it too. | ||
| Yeah, he's not sick of people being anti-Semitic. | ||
| He's sick of people complaining about things that are anti Semitic. | ||
| Isn't that funny? | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| So the reason this is particularly important is because it helps make clear that what connects these elephants he's complaining about is that they remind him of Jewish people he doesn't like. | ||
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| Not that they're connected to a criticism of Israel. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| The cover up of the Epstein stuff could just be like Massad and Israeli intelligence, but this complaint about Bondi has nothing to do with Israel. | ||
| In theory, it's about Trump's attorney general using an anti-Semitic firebombing to encroach on free speech, which he should be against. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But that not this way. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like his problem should be different. | ||
| He he doesn't seem to understand how he's supposed to play the ball. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He's throwing to uh third when the play is at first. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I say this with no love or respect, but Owen's not slick enough to pull this kind of shit off. | ||
| He just looks dumb. | ||
| And I it's like it's like he just doesn't understand that there's one pathway available to him. | ||
| And it goes in both directions. | ||
| That's the thing about the path he's on. | ||
| It can go in both directions. | ||
| He could firebomb everything, including the right wing media. | ||
| Do all of that shit. | ||
| Jonathan Schreuer sports guy. | ||
| Go fucking hard and then burn all the bridges, get rid of all the secrets, and then maybe people will see you in a completely different right light, right? | ||
| Or go the opposite direction. | ||
| Go hard, burn everything with Alex and InfoWars to the point of like somehow you're the top dog. | ||
| Talk so much shit that he wants to sue you over your speech. | ||
| Force him to take you to court. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then he's the guy who's supposed to be the guy. | ||
| And simultaneously see if you can outdo Fuentes. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Try and just make yourself the hardest thing there, and have the little feather in your cap of like, fuck you, Alex. | ||
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| In both cases, your only option if you're Owen is to be so strong. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So fucking hard in either direction that nobody can fuck with you. | ||
| Yeah, and you can't you can't do that with passive aggression. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| It's just it's gonna so Charlie Kirk got assassinated. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And this is the biggest elephant in the room. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And it's because it brings all the elephants to the room. | ||
| Because big elephants attract elephants. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Or something. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Anyway, this funeral is gonna be fucking full of elephants. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So here we are all in the room together. | ||
| All these elephants. | ||
| Now what's strange is they announced this and they made an ex post. | ||
| Turning point USA made an ex-post tonight. | ||
| This story came out on the thirteenth. | ||
| Public memorial for Charlie Kirk to be held at State Farm Stadium. | ||
| And then they announced tonight Turning Point USA announced that Trump would be speaking and Vance would be speaking, and Erica Kirk would be speaking, and then a ton of other huge names speaking, and then they actually erased the post. | ||
| They erased the flyer. | ||
| I don't know what that's about. | ||
| That just happened right before I went live. | ||
| But so now we're all gonna be in the same room for Kirk's memorial service. | ||
| And now the biggest elephant in the room will be with us with all the other elephants, which is the Kirk assassination strangeness of the whole thing. | ||
| And dare I even say cover up. | ||
| Boo. | ||
| That's that's now the biggest elephant in the room. | ||
| And we've already got a lot of elephants in the room, folks. | ||
| And now the biggest one just came in, and now we're all about to be in the room together. | ||
| Too many elephants. | ||
| That's just not enough space. | ||
| So Owen's trying to not so subtly suggest that Israel killed Charlie Kirk. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| All of these other elephants in the room are direct complaints about either Jewish people or Israel controlling the government. | ||
| And then the last one is Charlie getting killed, and it looks fishy to Owen. | ||
| If he's trying to say anything other than Israel did it, he doesn't make sense. | ||
| Yeah, it would be it would just be poor writing in every possible way. | ||
| And it's so clear that there's a preparation to this because he keeps saying that's an elephant. | ||
| We are directly to a point. | ||
| This is this is going somewhere on purpose. | ||
| So if you are at the end going somewhere else, you have failed. | ||
| He gave the episode a title in advance. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| But I think that he's right about this funeral idea and how they're stuck in the room with each other because of Kirk's death. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Charlie Kirk was so successful that both sides of the far right want to own him and claim him as theirs. | ||
| The racist Nazi types hated that he sported Israel, but loved how he would talk about how whites were superior to other races. | ||
| The more mainstream right wing, the they're currently trying to sand down some of these racist edges, but even with all that, they love how he carried himself like a polite young man in a suit, and he pretended to be college-aged, so their views didn't look so archaic. | ||
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Yep. | |
| He was great. | ||
| He was a child. | ||
| Love that little boy. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| But both sides, they want to own his legacy and they don't want to share. | ||
| In life, Charlie was pretty successful at blurring the lines between these two factions. | ||
| So there's a small irony that his death threatens to make a bunch of stuff that they disagree on way too explicit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that I think is what Char or uh uh Owen's talking about. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Is like the funeral is gonna force us to be around each other, and we hate each other. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In essence, we have he's correctly described all the different ways people are trying to strip mine Charlie Kirk. | ||
| Everybody is doing their own version of this thing, but by doing so, they have once again removed all Charlie Kirkness. | ||
| So in this memorial service that they're supposed to be Charlie Kirking about, they all have to confront the fact that they've made up their own Charlie Kirks to bring with them to the funeral. | ||
| Yeah, like a superman comic. | ||
| And they desperately need Trump to validate their version of Charlie. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Or else they have to be like, fucking hell. | ||
| Trump's not on my side. | ||
| It would be it would be more interesting if this was like done in a reality show like The Apprentice, where they've got eight different Charlie Kirk uh ghosts, and Trump has to choose which one everybody's gonna go with. | ||
| At least then everybody would have a concept to go with instead of having to try and advocate for their own and then sound like lunatics. | ||
| Yeah, fired. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Is that a good impression? | ||
| That was a good I was a good dead Charlie Kirk impression. | ||
| Don't talk to me like that. | ||
| That's my own. | ||
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That's your don't talk to me like that. | |
| Don't look at me like that. | ||
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That's what he said. | |
| Don't look at me like that. | ||
| So the memorial service itself is really a tr like catch 22 kind of situation for Trump. | ||
| There's no win in this. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| The Kirk Memorial is September 23rd. | ||
| We're all going to be in the room together. | ||
| And this is going to be an interesting moment. | ||
| This is a very confronting moment for everybody. | ||
| And quite frankly, you know, I I don't even know, because I try to look at all the different angles, and I try to take all the different perspectives. | ||
| I don't even know what you do at this point if you're Trump. | ||
| Honestly, because it's like if you don't show up, you look bad. | ||
| But if you do show up and talk to people and don't address the elephants in the room, you also look bad. | ||
| So I I don't even know what you do in this moment. | ||
| But you let the elephants in the room. | ||
| And so now here we are. | ||
| So it's unfortunate, but it's true that now this memorial for Charlie Kirk. | ||
| And look, what we hope is the most important thing is that somehow his family, his friends, the turning point USA family, you know, the people that that are suffering from this. | ||
| His loved ones, the people that are actually suffering from this loss that saw Charlie every day, his children. | ||
| You know, the most important thing is for them to somehow get closure or have some some sort of a moment in that moment where people are respecting Charlie and everybody there together. | ||
| We're raising Charlie up, and we're raising the family up, and we're showing them how much Charlie meant to everybody, and how much we love them and we're with them, and so you really that's what this is all about. | ||
| But now you are a political event. | ||
| So this is what this is what you can count on America's anchor man for keeping it classy, you know, remembering the family. | ||
| You know, focusing on what it's about. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| It definitely doesn't seem on the top of his mind because this is like twenty minutes into his show, but it seems like he Thinks he cares. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I've got a really elegant solution for Owen's dumb dilemma that he finds himself in. | ||
| Don't elect a president who feels the need to make appearances at big media events like a spectacle memorial service for a podcaster. | ||
| His people could just say Trump wishes he could come, but there's important president stuff he needs to do, but no one would believe that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because there's nothing he needs to do. | ||
| No, he's always out golfing and shit. | ||
| It would be disrespectful. | ||
| I I mean, here's the thing that I love about these people, and that they'll never understand. | ||
| Or maybe that they do understand, but they have to dedicate so much brain space to denying. | ||
| But if you ask the question, what would Trump even do? | ||
| Whatever the fuck he wants. | ||
| You guys are dogs. | ||
| If you bark, it doesn't matter, you'll heal when he calls. | ||
| Shut up. | ||
| Shut up, you whiny little babies. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Owen's uh barking a little differently. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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But it's not do not care. | |
| So yeah, I mean, Trump is kind of screwed because everyone knows that he loves attention. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And would always go to something like this. | ||
| So if he doesn't go, then it's a middle finger to the Kirk people. | ||
| Probably turning point. | ||
| A lot of people who very rightfully can claim that they really helped him get elected. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But then if he goes and he doesn't like fucking tear down these mainstream right wing people and these fucking cowards, then the bigot side of the family is gonna be pissed off. | ||
| It's gonna be a bad barbecue. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Owen has accurately assessed a problem with the media ecosystem, which is basically that their code doesn't work anymore. | ||
| But what he doesn't seem to understand is that he's lost. | ||
| Turning point put out a list of confirmed speakers for this memorial, and it's a ton of Trump cabinet members, Trump's son, and Tucker. | ||
| Susie Wiles is giving a speech, and Owen just called her an elephant in the room. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So like I think he should recognize that he's not invited and she's a headline speaker. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| We're recording this before the memorial, but I'm gonna place a long shot bet that Tucker says something really weird. | ||
| I feel like people keep forgetting how insane he is. | ||
| Is that a long shot bet? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| No, because I'm talking real weird. | ||
| You think real weird. | ||
| You think you think are we going with uh after Daddy's spanking you? | ||
| Right, but kind of weird. | ||
| Are we talking like after life? | ||
| He's he's with us right now and he's giving us some sort of weird hand job kind of thing. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Ooh, man, I'd love it. | ||
| I would love it if he started speaking as Charlie. | ||
| You do not need to do a voice. | ||
| Like I I sincerely believe that people just like remember him being on TV TV. | ||
| Yeah, and they forget like if he gets a hot mic in front of him, he's gonna say something fucked up. | ||
| He's gone off the deep end because he can't. | ||
| He's so rich that he doesn't have to respect Kfabe, and like it does not matter to him. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| So, like, I think he's still a manipulative liar. | ||
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Sure. | |
| And he's still in this, you know, right wing game, and he's still trying to sell his anti-woke chewing tobacco or whatever. | ||
| But he's a thoroughbred weirdo. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like there's something about him that's like there's a it's like an old person just like in their underwear walking around the house. | ||
| I think he's in the I think he's in the late stage Roger Stone uh uh version of whatever he was, you know. | ||
| Like he's been rat fucking for his entire life. | ||
| Now he's he's in a retired rat fuck mode. | ||
| Like, I don't give a shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Who do you have to impress? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're so rich. | ||
| You live out in the middle of nowhere or whatever the fuck. | ||
| You do your dumb show, interview tyrants. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And then like, what do you who do you have a responsibility to? | ||
| Alex is supposed to be your friend, right? | ||
| He's calling you a CIA agent on his show. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And like, who fuck burn all these people? | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| Yeah, the only person that you genuinely have to be afraid of is Putin. | ||
| And you like that guy. | ||
| Well, and Trump probably. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| It's best to keep him mollified. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, like Saddam. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, but yeah, Putin probably would kill him if it came to it. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So um Owen starts talking uh a little bit about uh the assassination itself. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And man, he has got some theories. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| He this this next clip, he gives us what is the best case scenario. | ||
| The best case scenario. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Now I'll just say this quickly, and then we'll we'll get into the actual content. | ||
| This is where I'm at as far as the spectrum of possibility. | ||
| This is where I'm at a week after the Charlie Kirk assassination. | ||
| Uh uh Spectrum of possibility here. | ||
| I would say the best case scenario we have is that the FBI botched this job so bad. | ||
| The FBI leadership, local leadership, just the whole the whole thing, law enforcement. | ||
| They botched this thing so badly, and it is such an embarrassment how badly they botched this deal that they're just coming out here and and and and trying to package it and wrap it and deliver it to you and say just here it is, just take it and go. | ||
| Here it is. | ||
| Just take it and go. | ||
| Here's the text messages. | ||
| Yeah, they just conveniently perfectly tie up a lot of our loose ends here. | ||
| He just come on, just take it. | ||
| The security footage, the footage behind Charlie Kirk, all these other weirdness, these things going on, these other questions. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Just take this. | ||
| Please, would you just just take this? | ||
| Would you just take this, please? | ||
| That's the best case scenario. | ||
| Like, I don't think Owen has fully thought this through. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If this is what the FBI is doing, then it stands to reason that the texts and the evidence against the shooter aren't real. | ||
| Otherwise, they would be explaining a killer's actions, not begging the public to accept a version of the story to distract from how badly they fucked the case up. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't think this is a best case scenario. | ||
| Like I can think of about 20 scenarios that are better for Owen if he just is allowed to make up whatever he wants. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like, isn't a left wing shooter isn't that. | ||
| I thought that was that fine. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You're it isn't the official story exactly what you want, so you're allowed to unleash your horrifying belief system onto whomever is in your way. | ||
| That seems like a better scenario for Owen than the FBI is just lying about everything. | ||
| Now here they got the right guy, but they're making up a story. | ||
| This makes this raises an interesting question. | ||
| Uh because now we're in a situation where this is the best case scenario. | ||
| So everything has to be worse than this. | ||
| Which means we are in a soul searching moment. | ||
| Would you rather have an FBI that is ineffective or an FBI that is effective? | ||
| Which one is effective. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Which one is worse? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Bumbling idiots who are also evil or evil geniuses who are at least successful in what they do. | ||
| Yeah, I know I neither. | ||
| Like I no, I know, but that's why we're in the best case scenario. | ||
| Best case scenario is uh stupid dichotomy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But you want to know what the worst hell yeah. | ||
| Worst case scenario? | ||
| It's a s it's just an outright cover-up. | ||
| Oh, just a complete cover up. | ||
| I'm gonna go with aliens. | ||
| And I don't even know what other conclusions come along with that. | ||
| Like, was that the actual shooter? | ||
| Or not? | ||
| Who actually killed him? | ||
| How many people were involved, how many people had prior knowledge. | ||
| But that that that's where I see. | ||
| That's where I see it's at right now. | ||
| This is a great illustration of how useless Owen's analysis is. | ||
| Best case scenario, the FBI got the right guy, but they fucked up the case so bad they had to create fake evidence to convince everyone to just move along. | ||
| Worst case scenario, literally everyone in the world could be involved and have foreknowledge of the plot. | ||
| Owen's gut is saying it's somewhere between those two markers. | ||
| He's really narrowed it down quite a bit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Also, why is this the worst case scenario? | ||
| I can think of worse. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it's not this is it's not fundamentally really even that different. | ||
| It it's it's been uh practically speaking, like as a result, it's basically the same, right? | ||
| Well, I mean, there's a lot of details that are different and sure organizational things. | ||
| Sure, but I mean, like at the end of it where we are, where uh both of us have they're both substantial cover-ups. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I here's what I don't okay. | ||
| Do you know what this reminds me of? | ||
| This reminds me of in uh in the Daft Punk uh read access memory, random access memories, right? | ||
| There's a song called Giorgio by Morota, and it's about uh George Moro. | ||
| Javani Giovanni Jojo, yeah. | ||
| Uh and in it he says he's doing this whole little monologue about his his stuff, and in it he says, once you give up the idea of of harmony or of music being correct, you can do whatever you want. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's no preconceived notions, and no one can tell you what to do. | ||
| You know? | ||
| And it is like Owen is playing within these rules that don't exist for him. | ||
| Just give it up. | ||
| Give up the idea of needing to have a point. | ||
| Give up the idea of giving a shit about reality. | ||
| It was aliens who are covering it up. | ||
| You know, like go for it. | ||
| Well, here's where we come to that problem of you know what you were saying earlier about like he's been enabled for all this time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like he has seen such a bad example be successful. | ||
| And so he what can he do other than kind of emulate those same tendencies? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And what would Alex do? | ||
| He'd make up these best and worst case scenarios that mean nothing. | ||
| He really would. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Ugh. | |
| He's uh he's a dog who's gotten his training. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And if you're never if you're both never allowed to step out and never encouraged to step out, then why would you? | ||
| And what if you're also stupid? | ||
| You've got the Kirk Memorial, which is obviously going to be a huge event. | ||
| This is the biggest. | ||
| You could say this is the biggest political assassination since Martin Luther King Jr. | ||
| JFK Jr. | ||
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| I think Jr. | ||
| So this is not insignificant. | ||
| And then you've got the Kirk Memorial. | ||
| We're all going to be in the room with all the elephants in the room. | ||
| And then apparently the next week. | ||
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Netanyahu's coming to Washington, D.C. So JFK Jr. wasn't assassinated. | |
| And I think that Owen is forgetting some people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| RFK was assassinated after Martin Luther King, so I guess Charlie's more important than that. | ||
| Apparently. | ||
| Also, bad news, Harvey Milk, Fred Hampton, and John Lennon. | ||
| Sorry, friends. | ||
| Sit the fuck down, Benazir Budo. | ||
| Ooh, that's no good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're not gonna enjoy that. | ||
| No, you're not as important as uh Charlie Kirk. | ||
| Hey, how about this? | ||
| Osama bin Laden was a pretty important assassination. | ||
| It was political in a way. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, here's the here's the thing, too. | ||
| Like, you and I were talking right after the assassination. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And uh like you were of the mind that it was not as big a deal as I believed it to be. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| I am like you to Owen. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like the SAT kind of. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| No, I see what you're saying. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think he's taking this too seriously, but also it's more serious than I mistook the I I made the miscalculation of not realizing that you could take uh his corpse and run with it, you know. | ||
| I was I was under the laboring under the idea that they would have to engage with him. | ||
| I think you also underestimated the like level of attachment that a lot of people had to him because we think he sucks. | ||
| Well, I mean, I definitely wouldn't have expected uh ABC to fire Jimmy Kimmel, but hey, what are you gonna do? | ||
| Look. | ||
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Sometimes apparently ABC is really into Charlie Kirk. | |
| Sometimes jokes don't work. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| I guess A B Charlie Kirk. | ||
| That's what we're up to. | ||
| You know what they gotta do? | ||
| They gotta get the Ace Man in there. | ||
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They gotta ironically replace Adam Know. | |
| Why do we do it? | ||
| Just I'm I'm for it. | ||
| If you guys just want to go full right wing, bring the man show back. | ||
| Who gives a shit? | ||
| Jimmy Kimmel needs a job now. | ||
| No, get Rogan back. | ||
| Right, for sure. | ||
| Rogan and Stanhope. | ||
| Do the knockoff man show. | ||
| Can you blow it up? | ||
| He hosted the man show. | ||
| What a fucking world. | ||
| I still can't believe the man show happened, let alone that it got another iteration. | ||
| I was a man show defender for a little longer than I should have been. | ||
| It happens. | ||
| I thought some of those uh segments were fun. | ||
| Not not a lot of them. | ||
| I, you know, the girls on trampolines and all that stuff. | ||
| I'm like, I'm here for Adam Corolla going to the like the lumber store. | ||
| No, I get you. | ||
| I get you. | ||
| I hey, listen, I defended win Ben Stein's money for a lot longer than I should have because I didn't know about Ben Stein's political history. | ||
| Didn't know he was a Nixon uh speechwriter? | ||
| No idea. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| But that kind of does make it better when people win his money. | ||
| It does. | ||
| So Owen is real dumb. | ||
| Um and in this next clip, he kind of gets close to feeling like somebody that you might want to agree with in some ways. | ||
| And I think that it's a mistake. | ||
| So it's so crazy. | ||
| I sit here and and you know, you've obviously got the the Q people that still believe that this is all some grand scheme. | ||
| And now I'm sitting here like, you know what? | ||
| This is so crazy. | ||
| Maybe it is. | ||
| That's how insane this all is to me. | ||
| Or Or maybe a whiff of hopium comes into the room, and I'm like, can we get our country back? | ||
| Can we get the Donald Trump we supported through three election cycles back? | ||
| Can we get him back? | ||
| Where is he? | ||
| Can we get it back? | ||
| And I think this is the closing event. | ||
| Netanyahu arrested in Washington, D.C. Yes. | ||
| For crimes against the United States. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Now we're talking. | ||
| Lying to American Congress, tricking us into wars. | ||
| Trump is going to arrest Netanyahu. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| When he comes to Washington, D.C. Do it. | ||
| Couldn't help it. | ||
| The thought came into my head. | ||
| Because it's outrageous. | ||
| It's outrageous. | ||
| That Netanyahu would be welcomed into our country, our White House, at this time. | ||
| It is offensive. | ||
| It is unbelievable. | ||
| It is disgusting. | ||
| And it will be the final straw for many people. | ||
| Politically, with the right wing's obsession with Israel. | ||
| And quite frankly, this administration putting Israel first. | ||
| It will be it will be the last draw in that political movement. | ||
| And they'll just be totally done. | ||
| And you can already see and you will see Trump's approval rating continue to go down. | ||
| So Owen's not wrong about the idea that Netanyahu coming to the United States at this point is offensive. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And something that Trump definitely shouldn't do. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it's confusing why he thinks Trump would act any differently. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Owen's speaking to a real feeling that folks in his sphere have, which is that if Trump meets with Netanyahu at the White House now, they will have to admit that the version of Trump that they've been supporting for the past three elections was fake. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's a really that's a crisis moment. | ||
| It's a bummer. | ||
| That he can see coming. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is the tension of Owen outside InfoWars. | ||
| He's bad at being a pundit, and he looks really stupid when he tries to play Alex style conspiracy games, but at the same time, he's speaking to a real feeling that the far right is experiencing. | ||
| Alex is more entertaining, but he's going through the motions. | ||
| Whereas Owen sucks at showbiz, but he can kind of read the room. | ||
| It makes Owen's show like I think it's a higher quality product that no one wants. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like a really well-made fruit cake. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| I mean, you know. | ||
| Except it's Owen's shitty fruit cake. | ||
| Yeah, but it's better. | ||
| It's better than Alex's shitty fruit cake. | ||
| Bingo. | ||
| Yeah, it's not, yeah, no, I get it. | ||
| If you're stuck with, let's say, uh uh best case scenario where the FBI's covered up how much Owen sucks. | ||
| And a worst case scenario where the FBI's covered up how much everybody sucks. | ||
| I guess that we go with the best case scenario? | ||
| Also, I want to make a note of this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When he starts doing his roast segment, yeah. | ||
| Fruitcake jokes. | ||
| He does not do a roast segment, does he? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Not on this one. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But like when he does fruitcake jokes, fruit cake jokes. | ||
| Bring them back around. | ||
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| I think that's a good call. | ||
| We haven't done fruitcake jokes in a long time. | ||
| They used to be very prominent. | ||
| It used to be so annoying the idea that someone would bring a fruit cake. | ||
| How could you bring a fruit cake? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I guess we beat it. | ||
| I guess we beat the fruitcake back. | ||
| Bring it back for the roasts. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| So Charlie was a very pro-Israel person. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Or was he? | ||
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| Netanyahu and the Jerusalem Post had Kirk's death story before anyone else, any other publication in America, or even President Trump. | ||
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That's just a fact. | |
| Here is Netanyahu in the aftermath of Kirk's death on Fox News. | ||
| He said he wrote me a letter on May 2nd this year. | ||
| He said, one of my greatest joys as a Christian is advocating for Israel and forming alliances to defend Judeo-Christian civilization. | ||
| A few weeks before the tragedy yesterday, I I called him and I spoke to him and I said, please come to Israel. | ||
| I invited him to Israel. | ||
| And sadly that visit will not take place. | ||
| Now here's what's interesting about this as well. | ||
| You know, there's this big back and forth about conversations that were happening between Kirk and Netanyahu and a bunch of big donors that are Israel supporters. | ||
| And they're trying to deny that it all happened and the different context. | ||
| I mean, does that not confirm it? | ||
| That confirms it right there. | ||
| Netanyahu invited Charlie Kirk to Israel and he didn't go. | ||
| He said no. | ||
| Well. | ||
| So doesn't that confirm a lot of those reports? | ||
| Does for me. | ||
| That's dumb. | ||
| Uh Netanyahu didn't say that Kirk turned down an invitation to go to Israel. | ||
| No. | ||
| He said that he invited Kirk, but the murder happened before he could make the trip. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Owen's pretending that Netanyahu said that Kirk turned the invitation down because the goal is to make Kirk an anti-Israel anti-Netanyahu figure now that he's dead. | ||
| This is about the factions of the far right fighting over Charlie's corpse, and the real inconvenient reality for folks on Owen's side is that Charlie was a public supporter of Israel to the point where Nick Fuentes tried to destroy him over it. | ||
| Last month he was on Megan Kelly's show and he said, quote, I think I have a bulletproof resume showing my defense of Israel, both on campus, on social media, to great mockery and scorn sometimes because I believe it. | ||
| I believe in the scriptural land rights given to Israel. | ||
| I believe in fulfillment of prophecy, and again, I'm not a theologian, but I'm a Christian. | ||
| My life was changed in Israel. | ||
| The spiritual energy there is so amazing. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| His life was changed there because he's already visited Israel multiple times. | ||
| There's a video of him from 2019 in Jerusalem speaking to Im Turtuzu, uh, which is a Zionist organization. | ||
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| He's speaking in front of a backdrop that says, quote, building the Zionist dream. | ||
| Well, I found the video of that lecture that he gave through a Times of Israel article. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And insanely, it's an hour and a half talk that Charlie Kirk did in Jerusalem in 2019 that has 700 views on YouTube. | ||
| I don't know what the fuck is like if this is privated or something. | ||
| Is this real? | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
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Weird. | |
| So anyway, here's a clip from that that I'd like Owen to respond to. | ||
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| These these IDF, they're doing God's work. | ||
| I really believe that. | ||
| Have such unbelievable self-restraint. | ||
| And they they have these maniacs with these cameras right in their face, trying to provoke them, trying to profile them. | ||
| And I think to myself, if they only knew the self-restraint, if they only knew the moral conduct that the IDF operates with every day, get down the terrorists of Hamas and Hezbollah. | ||
| I mean, and anyone who dares make a moral equivalency between the co the conduct and the behavior of the IDF and Israel, which is a moral superiority. | ||
| What the Western media tries to do is they try to make it some sort of equal playing field in the conversation. | ||
| That Hamas and the IDF, they're somehow both on the same playing field. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| The IDF is righteously and correctly defending the nation-state of Israel. | ||
| God's chosen people in the holy land. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Well, here's another clip. | ||
| Um, and then we flew down and we saw the barrier to the Gaza Strip. | ||
| Um, which was very eye-opening to me as well. | ||
| And one of the biggest mistakes that Israel has made is getting out of the Gaza Strip. | ||
| And somebody fire Jimmy Kimmel over this. | ||
| It has become a terrorist jacuzzi. | ||
| Was that worth saying twice? | ||
| I love I love that in general, I think everybody would fire Charlie Kirk for what Charlie Kirk has said about Charlie Kirk after Charlie Kirk's assassination. | ||
| Yeah, Charlie Kirk is in poor taste. | ||
| I mean, just uh frankly, the I have a bulletproof reputation. | ||
| That is just in poor taste for this current climate right now. | ||
| So this is a wild 90 minutes, and it actually shows how much Charlie improved over the past six years. | ||
| Like he's kind of unsteady and giving off open mic vibes at points during during this talk. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| My main point here is that Owen is trying to rob Charlie of his identity. | ||
| That's such a bigger insult than anyone making fun of his death. | ||
| I know. | ||
| It's so awful. | ||
| I know people just let him have his legacy. | ||
| I would I would so I don't under like now that we're here where we are. | ||
| I don't understand people not understanding that Charlie Kirk would be happy with the people who say, good riddance. | ||
| I hope you're dead. | ||
| Charlie Kirk is fine with those people. | ||
| Charlie Kirk is not fine with people being like, you know what? | ||
| He actually hated Israel. | ||
| Charlie Kirk would hate that. | ||
| People being like rest and piss you dork or something like that. | ||
| Hell yeah. | ||
| Fuck yeah, turning point's gonna make more money. | ||
| This is gonna be great. | ||
| We're fighting. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Like it people be like trying the Nazis trying to overtake his reputation and the whole thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It it's it's counter to what he was building. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And like, it doesn't make turning point more money. | ||
| No, everybody everybody is reacting in the worst possible way to this situation, from the corporations doing everything stupidly to the right wingers making this the most exploitable thing that they've ever done to everybody who's like, oh, we shouldn't be this or we should do that. | ||
| It's just man. | ||
| Just let it go. | ||
| So um Owen he's he's listening to Netanyahu speak uh about uh uh Kirk's death. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he gets uh a little little offended by word. | ||
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| He was he was a defender of our common Judeo-Christian civilization. | ||
| He was so sick of the stuff. | ||
| Unbelievable excited to walk in the footsteps of Jesus here. | ||
| He uh he valued our bond, the bond between America and Israel. | ||
| Listen to this guy. | ||
| Uh you know, he uh uh did so many things to defend free speech. | ||
| He had his truth, he stood up for it. | ||
| Oh, you oh, you're for free speech. | ||
| Sure you are. | ||
| You can come and debate me. | ||
| He invited that debate. | ||
| I like to imagine that that was Netanyahu saying, Owen, come to be. | ||
| Come debate me. | ||
| So why does Owen hate the word Judeo-Christian? | ||
| If his complaints are about Israel's government and Netanyahu and all this, what's the beef with acknowledging the two religions shared history? | ||
| He hates Abraham. | ||
| Hates him! | ||
| It seems like such a weird thing to get hung up on if your problem isn't rooted in anti-Semitism as opposed to political critique. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Oh well. | ||
| Yeah, seems like you're less interested in the continuity of uh, you know, lifestyle and living space, and instead more interested in how the Jews killed your Messiah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Netanyahu, um, he made the assassination about Israel. | ||
| Like, there's a lot of people who like they're being accused of accusing Israel. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| But they're not. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They're just responding to the fact that Netanyahu made this all about himself. | ||
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Folks, we were all there. | |
| The first day, it was all about how it was a violent leftist. | ||
| And then Netanyahu came out and made the statement and made it all about Israel. | ||
| And then people said, What's up with this? | ||
| Gee, he posted about it first. | ||
| Gee, the Jerusalem Post had the story first. | ||
| Gee, here's all these clips of Charlie Kirk kind of changing his stance on Israel. | ||
| Gee, here's what other people are saying about some behind the scenes stuff. | ||
| And now it all adds up, and now it's all confirmed. | ||
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They say, Oh, the the radical right made it about Israel. | |
| No, he didn't. | ||
| Well, Yahoo did. | ||
| So Charlie Kirk was a friend of Netanyahu's and a staunch Christian Zionist. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| There is no reason that Netanyahu wouldn't release a statement about Kirk's death. | ||
| That's not making the story about Israel like it's not like he posted a shaggy meme with Kirk getting shot, and then he's in the background saying it wasn't me. | ||
| Right. | ||
| What Owen is Which would have been great. | ||
| Poor taste. | ||
| Well, I mean, for a head of state. | ||
| Honestly, not as in poor taste as what I think that people like Owen are doing. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| What Owen is describing here is motivated reasoning and the process that he went down to build the case that he wants to make. | ||
| There's a faction of the far right that wants to say that Israel killed Kirk because Kirk's death is a deeply traumatic event for a large group of people, and that energy can be exploited. | ||
| In order to pull off that kind of a theory, you need to come up with an explanation for the whole problem that Kirk is super pro-Israel. | ||
| Yeah, I mean like super pro-Israel. | ||
| So Owen plays around with the idea that Israel was the first to know about the murder. | ||
| Then there's some cherry pick quotes that are taken out of context to make it appear that he was turning On uh Israel recently. | ||
| Add in a little bit of anonymous gossip that Kirk and Netanyahu had a fight, which is corroborated by making something up about Charlie turning down an invitation to come to Israel. | ||
| It does make sense. | ||
| You got it. | ||
| You baked a cake. | ||
| You put it all together. | ||
| This is just Alex shit. | ||
| All the way down to him saying that it's all confirmed. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's i the the the image that I had in my head is like he's a guy who's watched someone bluff for ten years and thinks they can play any poker hand. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And it's just like, no, you don't have the confidence to pull this off. | ||
| I you're so clearly bluffing. | ||
| You have to, like, okay. | ||
| If you want to get better at something, you have to overcome challenges along the way. | ||
| You know, like that's just part of it. | ||
| If you want to be a better comedian, you have to bomb. | ||
| You have to fail to grow, right? | ||
| And he has been in such a situation where he's coddled and protected from actual consequences that he's never built muscles. | ||
| He's never built the muscles to do this shit. | ||
| Well, the last time that he did, it was 2016 when he was out yelling at libs at uh protests. | ||
| Like that was probably the last like serious challenge. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Like uh ever since Paul Joseph Watson became less prevalent at InfoWars, like, what is he? | ||
| Yeah, and even then, if it's if it was time to rise to the moment, Alex broke in. | ||
| You know, like there was he didn't even have the chance to rise to the moment. | ||
| And that's why uh Owen was pissed off. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| So um there's a there's some other news stories that he uh uh elephant-y. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Kind of elephant-esque. | ||
| So then that created a series of thoughts, let's say. | ||
| And then you've got the House just passed a bill punishing politically motivated boycotts of Israel. | ||
| That happened right after Charlie Kirk was assassinated. | ||
| So you're over here looking at this story. | ||
| House passes a bill punishing politically motivated boycotts of Israel. | ||
| No one else gets that privilege in this country, just Israel. | ||
| Republicans block Senate vote to release Epstein files. | ||
| You heard that. | ||
| Republicans block Senate vote to release Epstein files. | ||
| This happened right after Charlie Kirk was assassinated. | ||
| Guess you're not talking about that. | ||
| I have no idea what Owen uh like is surprised about with this house bill. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Marco Rubio sponsored a similar bill in 2019 during Trump's first term, and he's the Secretary of State now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is uh what they voted for, and they should know that because this is what Trump's folks did the first time. | ||
| Lauren Boebert championed this bill this time, and while it is a bad bill, it's not banning all politically motivated boycotts of Israel. | ||
| It only applies to federal contractors, which is still bad, but it's not as broad as what Owen is making it seem. | ||
| Bigger picture though, why am I supposed to believe that these things are connected? | ||
| Was Charlie killed in order to take attention away from the Republicans voting against Epstein releases? | ||
| That seems stupid, since it's pretty clear at this point that Trump's fans are cool with that cover-up, so you don't need to distract from that. | ||
| It's a wasted assassination. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or was he killed to distract from Lauren Boebert's bill? | ||
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Huh? | |
| If you kill somebody to distract from anything having to do with Lauren Boebert, you're in the wrong. | ||
| Which is just like a rehash of something they did six years ago. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Like it did they kill Charlie last time? | ||
| This is just poorly performed, Alex. | ||
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Right. | |
| It's basically like these things when he tries to actually get to something. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And cover a story. | ||
| It's just he doesn't know how to do it any other way. | ||
| And even then, who k who gives a shit if federal contract if you're in a college and you talk shit about Israel, they just fire you. | ||
| You know, like it who cares. | ||
| You're you're already fired for talking shit. | ||
| That whatever changes are made by that bill are not good. | ||
| Yeah, but they are uh there's other things. | ||
| Yeah, they're at most they're a codification of something that's already been happening. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So um Owen wants to kill some time here on the show. | ||
| How can you want to kill time on a show that no one is forcing you to do? | ||
| Well, I think that gold guy might be fair enough. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| He he plays the video of Kirk getting shot a bunch. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| And he's going over like angles and what appears to be a reflection of a muzzle shot. | ||
| Motherfuckers. | ||
| So there's like a little flash, and he's like, is there a second shooter? | ||
| That kind of stuff. | ||
| And I really feel like this captures the vibe. | ||
| Alright, let me just kind of get this picture real quick in my head. | ||
| Before I go back. | ||
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To the other shot. | |
| It's still so hard to tell because I don't know. | ||
| It's so hard to tell. | ||
| Because it actually now, well, no, that can't be it. | ||
| That can't be it because it's a longer window. | ||
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If it's a window. | |
| Yeah, that one's a little tricky. | ||
| That one's a little tricky trying to determine where it came from, actually. | ||
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Hmm. | |
| um Well, we're not trying to solve the crime here tonight, but my point is that's another anomaly. | ||
| That's another video that is I'd say pretty important. | ||
| Pretty important. | ||
| I have nothing to say about this. | ||
| I'm just gonna hmm a bunch and come to no conclusions. | ||
| He is delusional enough to think that he's America's anchor man and he can just do this no effort reaction stream type content. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like he's fucked. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Like there's so many more interesting people who are already in that space. | ||
| He doesn't work at InfoWars anymore. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It is, it is the lack of confidence is if you're if I'm doing one of these streams, it is what I say it is. | ||
| I don't care what it is. | ||
| I don't care if I'm looking at this camera and I'm not seeing what I'm saying. | ||
| It is what I say it is. | ||
| Whatever you see is irrelevant. | ||
| Whatever I see is irrelevant. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah, it should still be uh uh a work. | ||
| Yeah, you know, like it's still have a performance aspect to it, even if it is like, hey, it appears that we're all just hanging out, having a good time, sitting around you're with your old buddy Owen. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Like you want to create that feeling. | ||
| Yeah, but if that's all you're doing, someone else is doing that better. | ||
| Yeah, and if you're if yeah, you want somebody to come back next week, you have to say, it was two guys. | ||
| I know it was two guys. | ||
| Because look, and it doesn't matter if I see what you are showing me, you've said it was there, so I'm gonna trust you. | ||
| I'll see you next week. | ||
| That's what people want. | ||
| Yeah, there's a little bit of a boring uncertainty to to this that doesn't work with his media. | ||
| You can't be uncertain. | ||
| Uncertainty is the only thing you cannot be. | ||
| Yeah, and unfortunately, it looks like this dude is 6040. | ||
| Oh god. | ||
| I'd say that's that's the worst thing is that the left wing did it. | ||
| And either the FBI botched it so badly that they're trying to cover up some elements of the botch, or they just don't even know much. | ||
| They're just they're it's just it's just that incompetent. | ||
| So the story doesn't make any sense, but the but the conclusion might be right. | ||
| I'd say I'd say all things considered, that's that's where I would lean. | ||
| All things considered, I'd say I'm maybe 60 60% that they have the conclusion right, even if the story they gave us to get there is complete bullshit, which obviously it is. | ||
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What? | |
| So the conclusion might be right, but the story to get there complete bullshit. | ||
| So how can you trust it? | ||
| But I would say that's the odds on. | ||
| And then what then let's just say I'm not even gonna land on a conclusion of who, but let's just say 40% someone else hired him, intelligence agency, whatever. | ||
| It was it was a professional job. | ||
| I'd say 40% professional job, 60% left wing, left wing terror attack, left wing assassination. | ||
| But you know, one thing that kind of the one thing that kind of says hold not so fast is it just it just screams professional hit to me. | ||
| Single shot right after the transgender thing was mentioned, Single shot, right to the jugular, guaranteed kill shot. | ||
| It just feels professional. | ||
| It just screams professional. | ||
| And from what we know about the suspect who's denying it, uh, he was no professional. | ||
| Didn't apparently didn't even know how to put a sight on a rifle. | ||
| And then the caliber of the bullet, we don't have these answers. | ||
| So that's when you start to say, well, no, now it looks like a Patsy. | ||
| That's why I'm not so confident. | ||
| But I'm like, I'd say I'm over fifty percent. | ||
| It's probably just a left-wing assassin. | ||
| But I'm not that confident. | ||
| This is such a shitty Alex impression. | ||
| Like, one thing that you do notice when you watch enough of Alex is that he has an effortless ability to make up numbers. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And he makes it feel like it means something. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He has a knack for floating contradictory theories and just being like, eh, let's juggle all this bullshit. | ||
| Alex just talks shit. | ||
| And Owen isn't talking shit. | ||
| He's trying to think of something. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wrong. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wrong. | ||
| 85% sure. | ||
| I'm 85% sure. | ||
| I'm 95% sure all the time, because I'm always right 98%. | ||
| There is no difference between 85% and 60% in this situation. | ||
| In both cases, you have just admitted you have no fucking clue, and you're guessing you're just guessing. | ||
| So guess big. | ||
| No, the only thing you're saying is 100% I don't want to be held to this. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| You know what you do? | ||
| You guess so big that if you're wrong, who cares? | ||
| And then the next thing exactly. | ||
| There's hey, I'm Owen and I'm gonna be milk toast for the next hour. | ||
| Go fuck yourself. | ||
| I'm America's anchor man. | ||
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Shut up, man. | |
| Let's listen to Limp Bizgate. | ||
| 64? | ||
| I'm over 50%. | ||
| That is the worst. | ||
| That is the worst thing you could say. | ||
| Yeah, and it's it feels way too much like Alex. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It feels but shittier. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Alex, but shittier is not a sales pitch. | ||
| No. | ||
| No. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| So um there's some weirdness with this assassination. | ||
| Like, there's anomalies, much like you know, Alex Foundry. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| All of the false flags that he uncovered in his story. | ||
| As always. | ||
| Well, actually, I guess let's go to this weirdness first. | ||
| Maybe, because we're gonna kind of move off the assassination story for a second. | ||
| I mean, how look at this. | ||
| It's just it's just weird. | ||
| I don't know how else to describe it. | ||
| Here's Michael Maur. | ||
| Congrats to my good friend Robert Axon on his election as chair of the Utah GOP at University, excuse me, at Utah Valley University today with a terrific job with George Zinn. | ||
| With George Zinn. | ||
| This guy's really active on that campus and Republican Party politics. | ||
| Who's Michael Maurer? | ||
| The senior advisor of community outreach and intergovernment relations for Governor Spencer Cox of Utah. | ||
| Who Charlie had a bit of an issue with, by the way. | ||
| It's not that weird that this guy has a picture with George Zinn, who's the old man who was arrested at the Kirk shooting for saying that he'd done it. | ||
| And people uh immediate in the immediate aftermath, there was misreporting that he was arrested for. | ||
| But he was like a guy. | ||
| Yeah, he's a longtime libertarian protester and troublemaker in local Utah politics. | ||
| And Owen could have read about the many times he's been arrested for misdemeanors in the past if he cared to look into this at all. | ||
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| This dipshit just sees a picture of someone and like he has to stop himself from trying to find context. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's the only explanation for this. | ||
| He's just he's actively incurious. | ||
| You would I I couldn't, I couldn't look at like okay. | ||
| The last time I even saw a name, I looked it up. | ||
| Like the the last time I saw a name, somebody sent us an email, and I saw this name, and I was like, I just gotta look this name up. | ||
| But they're for no reason. | ||
| Yeah, especially if you're engaged in like that's that's no reason. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Now let's imagine that you're doing a show. | ||
| Exactly where you're speculating about a murder. | ||
| How many, how many pages of notes do I do for an interview where I ask four questions? | ||
| Like it's crazy, and yet this guy, nothing. | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| He's got a picture with this guy. | ||
| How is it possible you're not like, well, let me learn more about this guy? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Dumb. | ||
| That's the first thing you would think, right? | ||
| I'd I I would think. | ||
| So Kirk had been critical of uh Spencer Cox in The past for not being conservative enough. | ||
| But does Owen think that Cox was involved in a conspiracy to kill Kirk with his advisor and George Zinn? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Does this picture from a GOP event that was posted on Twitter two years ago really tell us anything? | ||
| This is meaningless information being presented as if it's evidence of something. | ||
| Owen can like do this act where he pretends like, oh, I'm uncovering these details and oh, it looks so weird to me, but it's just not convincing. | ||
| No. | ||
| Alex seems lost in his own shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And Owen doesn't. | ||
| Yeah, and even if even if you're like, okay, first off, who cares if it's convincing in the traditional sense of convincing? | ||
| What it needs to be is convincing in the sense of ah in a theater way. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Like, even his, even is that a oh, Spencer Cox, eh? | ||
| Like, that's not selling it. | ||
| That's that's the fucking masterpiece theater shit. | ||
| Like, oh, have you read this? | ||
| But fuck you. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Right? | ||
| There's an advisor to the governor who posted a picture with a notorious ne'er do well around town in GOP and libertarian politics two years ago. | ||
| And Owen thought, like, jobs done. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I'm just gonna take this to air. | ||
| You gotta do more. | ||
| You gotta make up a story. | ||
| What if they went golfing together? | ||
| What if any number of possible details? | ||
| Or one little thing that you pull from some other document, and that's like, oh, see, this is what connects the three of them. | ||
| Any number of things. | ||
| Or be visited by a ghost. | ||
| How many times? | ||
| Tell me a dream. | ||
| I am so mad. | ||
| I am so mad from time to time that whatever a thing allows these people to do what they what it is they do is is not within me. | ||
| Because I feel like they all suck at it and I could fucking kill it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I could crush this space. | ||
| If you could just drop like how bad it feels to lie to people about ghosts. | ||
| Yeah, if I could just be a monster, I would be the best monster. | ||
| You'll get there one day. | ||
| I don't think I will. | ||
| It's hard to be a monster. | ||
| I th I think it's hard. | ||
| Yeah, that should be. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So um, you know, there's this this non-convincing air that's going throughout this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I think that this next clip really embodies this, like, come the fuck off, man. | ||
| And then this is just the stuff where you're like, okay, throw everything out. | ||
| I'm in a damn simulation. | ||
| Throw everything else out the window. | ||
| I'm in a simulation. | ||
| When this stuff happens. | ||
| These connections keep getting weirder and weirder. | ||
| So right at the end of this press conference where Cash Patel announces that they caught Charlie Kirk's killer, Tyler Robinson. | ||
| Cash Patel ends it with Charlie Kirk, I'll see you in Valhalla. | ||
| Lastly. | ||
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To my friend Charlie Kirk. | |
| Rest now, brother. | ||
| We have the watch. | ||
| And I'll see you in Valhalla. | ||
| Now, what's interesting is that one of the pictures that they put out of Tyler Robinson shows Tyler Robinson in his bedroom next to his computer. | ||
| On the computer is a picture of an island. | ||
| That island is called Goat Island, and it's located in New Zealand. | ||
| That has a retreat called Valhalla. | ||
| Isn't that isn't that isn't that weird? | ||
| No! | ||
| That's just weird. | ||
| No! | ||
| These connections keep getting weirder and weirder. | ||
| That's not weird! | ||
| No, how yeah. | ||
| Again, I'm in a simulation or is it Q? | ||
| Is it time for me to accept Q? | ||
| If that's enough for Owen to start questioning if he's in a simulation, then he's just looking for any excuse to talk about how he's in a simulation. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Gun to my head, I wouldn't be confident whether the video he's playing is a sincere conspiracy theory or someone doing a parody of what dumb shit conspiracy theorists consider evidence. | ||
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Yep. | |
| So let's assume that all of it's true, and it all means something. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| In that case, Cash Patel said see you in Valhalla in his press conference as a wink to this picture of the shooter who was once photographed with a picture of an island on his computer screen that has a resort on it called Valhalla. | ||
| So now what? | ||
| Who's going yeah, that's what I'm saying? | ||
| Like, who's going to Valhalla? | ||
| Is the killer going to Valhalla? | ||
| Is it is are all of them going to Valhalla? | ||
| Is Charlie Kirk not dead and he's going to Valhalla? | ||
| And then Kashmatel, after he retires or something or gets fired, is they gonna move to uh uh do all of them move to Valhalla? | ||
| Is Goat Island sold. | ||
| That's what I'm saying, man. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It doesn't mean anything. | ||
| If all of this is true, if we stipulate all of it, yeah, does that mean that the shooter is a Patsy? | ||
| Did they fake the shooting? | ||
| And Patel is telling Charlie to meet him on that island so they can debrief it. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| If it's a clue about something, what does it point to? | ||
| There's nothing. | ||
| It's just dumb information. | ||
| And also, you're leaving out the obvious answer, which is that Kashmattel is a dork. | ||
| He and he's a white nationalist dork. | ||
| That is it. | ||
| He's a dork who said Valhalla from the fucking president's desk or whatever shit he's doing. | ||
| Yeah, and pretending he's uh Jon Snow on the wall as well. | ||
| What are you fighting? | ||
| You've got what get the fuck out of here. | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| Yeah, loser. | ||
| Jesus Christ, you're the head of the FBI. | ||
| It's embarrassing. | ||
| Fuck off. | ||
| So the picture on the shooter's computer screen is a getty images photo of the shore of a small island off the coast of New Zealand called Goat Island. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Valhalla isn't on that island. | ||
| God damn it! | ||
| It's actually back on the main North Island of uh of New Zealand. | ||
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Sure. | |
| If the guy making this original video isn't just trolling people, then he's lying about the circumstances to make it seem more unlikely that this coincidence could possibly happen. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's not the same place. | ||
| And even if it were this is a desktop computer, and it's entirely possible that this was a picture that was licensed from Getty Images for like a screensaver package. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Even if you assume all of the information that's being presented to you is accurate, you still have to be a real dipshit to jump to simulation from this stuff. | ||
| Like there's so many exploits it's so not interesting. | ||
| I I okay. | ||
| So as far as spy craft and such is concerned, you know, people recognize the the codes, the the dead drops, you know, the like hide the little sheet of paper under a rock, some dirty backs. | ||
| That kind of stuff. | ||
| I do not think I have ever heard anybody be like, oh, did you know they talk to each other through getty images? | ||
| I don't think that's a smart way of doing it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I also don't know when that photo is dated from. | ||
| So, like, what is it what if it's like a 10-year-old photo or something like that of him in front of his his computer. | ||
| This is ridiculous. | ||
| If if you and also what? | ||
| No, stop. | ||
| No, you stop. | ||
| Don't look at me like that. | ||
| If Owen is going to do this, yeah, he must explain what it means. | ||
| Obviously. | ||
| He has to be like, okay, so he said Valhalla because X. Yeah. | ||
| He can't he can't just be like, eh? | ||
| Do what you will with it. | ||
| The thing about Alex is that, and I guess this is something that again, Owen may not have learned is that when Alex makes an implication, that's a third of the way through what Alex is going to say, which is he implies something happens, then he explicitly says this is why it happened, then he returns to the implication. | ||
| You have to explicitly say that the implication you said is true, and then kind of walk it back. | ||
| And then frequently say, I'll leave it at that. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I'll leave it at that, with everything I have implied being 100% true. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'll leave it at that. | ||
| You make your own decision. | ||
| I'm sorry, sir. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
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I'll leave it at that. | |
| I'll leave it there. | ||
| So Owen, like, you know what? | ||
| He's just not sure at anything, which is great. | ||
| Good, good show. | ||
| Yeah, go host. | ||
| But it's like, I don't know. | ||
| What conclusions can you really reach? | ||
| I'm not convinced that we're getting the full story. | ||
| I'm not convinced. | ||
| I'm not entirely convinced that the guy that they're telling us it was did it. | ||
| I'd say no. | ||
| At this point. | ||
| Despite, okay, it's left-wing terror. | ||
| I just I don't know. | ||
| None of it adds up. | ||
| None of it makes any sense. | ||
| So, okay. | ||
| Now you're kind of getting into why there's this whole move against Israel in in right wing politics where normally they remain strong. | ||
| It's just gone too far. | ||
| It's just too much now. | ||
| Whether it's whether it's what's going on in Gaza, whether it's our Congress just went to Israel. | ||
| I mean, talk about distasteful. | ||
| Our Congress was in Israel this week. | ||
| As all of this is happening, our Congress is in Israel. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| Kissing the wall. | ||
| Wearing the hat with Netanyahu. | ||
| The hat. | ||
| And then here comes the APAC money afterwards. | ||
| I mean, it's just like, good lord. | ||
| It's just so over the top. | ||
| And the continued wars. | ||
| It's like, hey, you know, America ain't doing that great. | ||
| But people here are struggling, man. | ||
| And we're sick of seeing our country taking foreign money and going to foreign nations and doing foreign holy rituals. | ||
| Where you know, we're just kind of sick of it. | ||
| I think he got lost in a thought. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Also, fun fact, at the end of the episode, he explains that uh the Owen Schreuer network or the win network or whatever the fuck he's this dumb whatever he says. | ||
| It's on hold a little bit. | ||
| It's delayed because he needs to buy a new house in order to start the network. | ||
| That'll happen. | ||
| Which is really really makes it feel like he's in touch with the We're hurting, man. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. | ||
| I love the the moral authority that he puts behind the uh I'm gonna need your money to do a show and also I'm gonna buy a nicer house for me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I I in order for me to do this podcast that I'm already doing, I need to buy a house. | ||
| I would love to hear that I gave somebody money to make something and then they decided to buy a house. | ||
| And they tell me I don't know anything. | ||
| I don't know when that's gonna happen. | ||
| And also I don't have any information to share with you. | ||
| What you have given me is money, and what you have expected is something in return, and I have taken more money than I have given you value in return. | ||
| And that is why I would like to sell you gold, my friends. | ||
| But I'm kicking the tires around. | ||
| I'm seeing how it feels to say stuff. | ||
| You'll get it. | ||
| You'll get it. | ||
| I'm just tasting words. | ||
| So I just want to say that if Owen is not 100% sure about the shooting and what the FBI is telling us, that's totally cool. | ||
| He's not adding anything by grazing on all this bullshit and pretending it's analysis, though, so he can just not speculate if he doesn't know anything. | ||
| Yeah, he doesn't have to do this. | ||
| That's always an option. | ||
| I will give him lessons. | ||
| I will do consulting for $10,000 an episode. | ||
| Every time if Ellen if Owen wants to get a good show where he's a real piece of shit, I will teach you. | ||
| But I think that's $10,000. | ||
| We're now invested in doing. | ||
| We're doing punch-up. | ||
| We are doing punch-up for him, aren't we? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But that's the thing about it is that he can't take our advice because he's too stupid. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He thinks he knows better than us. | ||
| He's America's anchor. | ||
| He's America's anchor. | ||
| Well, I mean, America knows better than us. | ||
| He knows America. | ||
| And he is America. | ||
| Yep. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Just we America. | ||
| So as for Congress members going to the Western Wall in May 2017, Trump became the first sitting U.S. president to visit the wall. | ||
| And Owen went to jail for trying to get him elected in 2020. | ||
| Ouch. | ||
| My apologies if this sounds a little hollow and stupid now. | ||
| Fucking asshole. | ||
| I that's one of those things where it's like, guys, we just sometimes just forget about team sports. | ||
| There are some times where you just forget about team sports. | ||
| Like fucking Obama did the thing and Netanyahu showed up and went to Congress without him and did the whole I'm insulting you thing. | ||
| We've had Israel's Netanyahu has insulted every president while I've been alive. | ||
| Um, yeah, I think so. | ||
| But also, like, I I think that if you're trying to present this as a position where you have like a fundamental problem with Israel's politics. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And you don't like Benjamin Netanyahu. | ||
| Why are you saying the hat? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Fuck you, dude. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You're giving away the the entire premise here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You don't have a political problem. | ||
| And like he's saying the right is usually like holding tight with Israel. | ||
| Not half of it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, that's not been that's not been the case, brother. | ||
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Nope. | |
| Nope. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| Owen thinks that he's getting some bad tweets from Israeli agents that are being paid to spam him on social media. | ||
| I can't believe they would be paid that much. | ||
| Nah. | ||
| Now I don't take anything in politics personally, but huh. | ||
| I can here sit here and notice a trend and report on a trend. | ||
| And so I'll use this as a starter. | ||
| I'll use this as a starter. | ||
| This is a um big pro-Israel account. | ||
| This guy's constantly nipping at my ankles with all the others. | ||
| I've got like five to ten just pro-Israel, probably probably agents, quite frankly. | ||
| Probably paid to do it. | ||
| Uh that just sit in my comments and spam me all the time uh when I do Israel stuff. | ||
| So this guy's one of them. | ||
| And he's out at college campuses now doing doing uh the Charlie Kirk stuff at a table. | ||
| Oh, like your old boss. | ||
| This doesn't sound like someone who takes things personally. | ||
| Hmm. | ||
| Um it doesn't sound like the kind of guy who would do a five-hour stream about how he left his job at InfoWars. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| He never takes political stuff personally. | ||
| But maybe he probably should more often if he's going to jail for shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I would take that personally. | ||
| I think there's something intensely personal and grandiose about assuming negative tweets are the another government fucking with you. | ||
| That does tend to that I would imagine that something that uh tickles your ego that much is probably pretty personal to you. | ||
| It's a level of harassment that is uh uh special for America's anchor. | ||
| Because I was mean to somebody on InfoWars a while back, they are now watching my stream along with all other 50 people to really make me feel like uh the government is after me. | ||
| They're on a foreign payroll, gotta be too dangerous. | ||
| Gotta be. | ||
| So um Owen, I think tries to do something, and it's empty. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Uh, but he does try to make a distinction between Israel and Jewish. | ||
| Ooh, let's hear this. | ||
| Which I mean, at least he's kind of trying. | ||
| I'm excited. | ||
| And there's this huge propaganda movement to convince you that Jews and Israel are basically the same thing. | ||
| So that that way, when you say anything about Israel, they can just accuse you of being an anti-Semite, therefore discrediting your opinion, censoring you, debanking you, removing you from the Trump movement. | ||
| That's what they do. | ||
| But there is obviously a distinction. | ||
| And and it's beyond just the obvious distinction that a Jewish person, whether in America, Israel, anywhere, a Jewish person is an independent person, they can think whatever they want. | ||
| And from my experience, Jews are very diverse in their thoughts. | ||
| Some are very pro-Israel, some are very anti-Israel. | ||
| Some are very deep into their faith, some have completely abandoned their faith. | ||
| That's my experience. | ||
| So no, they use this movement, this this pro-Israel, whatever this thing is, this Netanyahu regime, this this Zionist movement, they use Jews as cannon fodder, as like a public communications body shield. | ||
| So I I do think that a lot of this is Owen's side's fault. | ||
| I think that there is so much conspiracy and so much uh bigotry and anti-Semitism that's built around the idea of dual loyalties. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Um, and the idea that every Jewish person has the right of return to Israel. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So they can commit crimes anywhere and then flee back so they can never possibly be loyal to another country. | ||
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| That is such a huge part of the cultural melding of Jewish and Israel. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And the fact that he can't really understand that or doesn't take that into consideration as a part of the the world that he's marinated in for his entire career, makes this a empty explanation. | ||
| Um I think I think that it's good, I guess. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| That there is a message of like, hey, I don't mean Jewish when I'm trying to make this about Israel. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I'm trying. | ||
| I mean I can't, but I'm trying. | ||
| But the fundament the fundamental thing that they exist within is that the three-headed nature of an ethnicity, a religion, and a nation. | ||
| Which means that you can find somewhere for most people that they'll have something, you know, like, well, I'm a Christian, so the you know, yada yada, or or racists, or just uh nationalists or or any number of those things. | ||
| You can find a way, and then when you blend all three together, it doesn't matter which you're using that to code for the other two. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, you know, Nick Fuentes has a lot of uh sort of uh just generalized bigotry uh towards Jewish people that can be Covered as I'm just a Christian. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I don't want uh the other people of other religions to I just don't think that they're right about God. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You and me, we're both religious, so I'm telling you that I have an objection over religious grounds, and you're like, well, maybe I agree, maybe I don't, but religion is what we're talking about here. | ||
| But we're really not. | ||
| No. | ||
| We're also talking about ethnicity and nation. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And I think that that complexity of like the where all of this conversation lives is something that Owen is incapable of dealing with because he needs to exploit it. | ||
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Right. | |
| It is it's our tool. | ||
| It's our weapon. | ||
| The weapon we use is this three-headed dog. | ||
| You know, so that's where we're at. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So earlier, I think um, I I look I look back on a little bit earlier in this episode, and I feel like I didn't fully explain or deal with when Owen said that Netanyahu coming here is a disgrace. | ||
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Right. | |
| And how people might be drawn towards hearing something like that and being like, yeah, I do think it's offensive that Netanyahu's coming here at this point. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I think a lot of the reasons that people would have those feelings have to do with Gaza. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't think Hitler should visit either. | ||
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Right. | |
| There is there is there's a genocide that's ongoing. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And uh the person who is the head of state cannot come here at this point. | ||
| Just say no. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That is the explanation that a lot of people would feel. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so your brain kind of makes you think that Owen cares. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And it kind of makes you think that he's speaking to issues that you care about. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But he doesn't. | ||
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Nope. | |
| It's important to remember he doesn't give a shit. | ||
| And by the way, there are plenty of Jews that don't agree with Netanyahu. | ||
| And there are plenty of Israeli Jews that protest Netanyahu every day in the streets, and that movement is growing. | ||
| So she comes out, and and and you can agree with the Palestine thing or not. | ||
| I'm not involved in it. | ||
| I'm not on any side of it. | ||
| I'm on the America side. | ||
| It has nothing to do with me. | ||
| I went out. | ||
| I don't want anything to do with it. | ||
| I don't want to see a single foreign flag in my country anymore. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| Not my problem. | ||
| You guys figure it out. | ||
| And if you're so obsessed with that, then go live over there. | ||
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If you want to come live over here with us, this flag is a foreign flag. | |
| And you're gonna leave that over there because we don't want it here. | ||
| But now it is here. | ||
| And it's and it's and it disgusts me. | ||
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And it breaks my heart. | |
| So but she makes an obvious statement. | ||
| It shouldn't even be radical. | ||
| Hey, you know, criticizing the Israel government or military or Netanyahu regime, you know, Jews are a different thing than that. | ||
| Oh, yeah, thank you. | ||
| That's obvious, but okay, thank you for distinguishing that might be a problem. | ||
| And you can see why. | ||
| And you can see why. | ||
| She's been attacked. | ||
| She gets attacked. | ||
| And I can't understand why people would do this. | ||
| Just straight propaganda. | ||
| Here's a couple examples. | ||
| If you're a Jew and you don't understand that Judaism and Jewish culture is inexplicably tied to Israel, then you really don't understand anything about being Jewish. | ||
| Oh, so you just want her to own what the Netanyahu regime is doing. | ||
| You just want her to own what's going on in the Gaza Strip with you. | ||
| And you just want to throw her like a human body shield in front of you for PR. | ||
| So he's reading a tweet about how at the Emmys, the best supporting actress in a comedy series winner, Hannah Einbender, uh, she ended her speech saying, quote, fuck ice and free Palestine. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Later backstage, she said, quote, it's an issue that's really close to my heart for many reasons. | ||
| I feel like it's my obligation as a Jewish person to distinguish Jews from the state of Israel because our religion and our culture is such an important and long-standing institution that is really separate to the ethno-nationalist state. | ||
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Sure. | |
| So she got some uh heat back from that. | ||
| Um and Owen's response to this is like, duh. | ||
| And then also, I don't care about Palestine, I don't care about this shit. | ||
| I mean, okay. | ||
| I only shut the fuck up. | ||
| I only care about America. | ||
| I I do love a good. | ||
| I do love a good. | ||
| I don't want to see any foreign flags in my country. | ||
| Like, man, the flag itself has 50 stars on it because there are 54 countries that make up the one country. | ||
| Man, the learn learn a thing. | ||
| And learn a thing. | ||
| And and I say fuck you, you're a liar. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Pretending that you have like this uh Oh, people don't know how to differentiate. | ||
| Oh, but even even like the pretending you have some kind of enlightened take on like uh hey, what goes on in another country, uh I don't care. | ||
| All I care about America. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You're full of shit. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| That's not true. | ||
| You're just dodging having to deal with any of this. | ||
| Even from earlier in the episode, it's not true. | ||
| You were giving more care to other places. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Like you're only avoiding this one because you know there's a very obvious problem here. | ||
| Why do you care about Russia and Ukraine? | ||
| Right then. | ||
| It's yeah. | ||
| Oh well. | ||
| Can't be any difference. | ||
| So um he's saying that this uh this uh Hannah Unbinder, uh, she like is being made to like accept uh all of like Netanyahu's actions. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's what people are trying to impose on her. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That like all Jewish people should love Israel. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Right? | ||
| It's just they're one in the same, basically. | ||
| Right. | ||
| According to most Nazis, yes. | ||
| Well, and Charlie Kirk in 2019. | ||
| Ah, one of the most ironic things I have to do every single year is I go to college campuses and I have to tell Jews why they should love Israel. | ||
| No, it's one of the most unbelievable things I've ever done in my life. | ||
| Where I have to tell Jews that this is a moral and good country. | ||
| Um I'll let you guys all figure out why that is. | ||
| I'm not gonna try to tell you that. | ||
| There's a lot of different theories I have. | ||
| I actually still haven't totally figured it out. | ||
| But American Jews are some of the most anti-Israel people that I've come across in the States, actually. | ||
| It's it's absolutely unbelievable. | ||
| Um militantly anti-Israel, too. | ||
| It's incredible. | ||
| I mean, Bernie Sanders is technically Jewish. | ||
| Um, so you reaffirmed. | ||
| Oh God. | ||
| Uh you you get what yeah, so I'm I don't mean that as a slight. | ||
| I don't think he practices Judaism. | ||
| Is that correct? | ||
| Okay, so that's why I say that. | ||
| Um, he's he's a Marxist. | ||
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| And so I will say that the left is driven by hatred and anger. | ||
| Do you realize how angry these people are all the time? | ||
| Big open mic energy. | ||
| That was I will say the left is driven by anger and hatred. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| What else do I call what do you guys want me to close with? | ||
| I got two bits. | ||
| I got two bits, I'll let you choose. | ||
| That's a good save you just pulled out of his back pocket because he slipped on a banana peel on stage talking about who's good Jewish people to people in Jerusalem. | ||
| You know, what I love most about these last two clips is there is nothing I love more than a uh bigoted white dude really just telling other people how to relate to their own ethnicity and relationships and religion and and everything. | ||
| Because they can't know they're Jewish. | ||
| Yeah, it's too complicated or something. | ||
| It's almost like the virtue of what you think by itself is in its nature anti-Semitic. | ||
| So another thing that Owen, you know, like Owen is trying to say, like, hey, it's so obvious that criticisms of Israel aren't anti-Semitic. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Right, just by it's not definitionally the case that that is unfortunately Charlie Kirk in 2019. | ||
| Uh seemed to conflate the two. | ||
| I I I am as in the conservative movement as one could probably be. | ||
| Um who is even a smidgen anti-Israel or anti-Semitic has no place in the American conservative movement. | ||
| Nowhere. | ||
| And I denounce them, and so do all of our leaders, every elected representative. | ||
| Huh. | ||
| Well, that's weird. | ||
| Um you're sure being mean to the s uh corpse of Charlie Kirk today, huh? | ||
| No, I'm not. | ||
| I'm letting him have his perspective. | ||
| Right, but that's that's really mean because if you look at him for who he is, you kind of think, well, fuck that guy. | ||
| I might think that guy, but I thought that when he was alive. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I didn't like him to begin with. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It's almost like everything after he's dead has been very performative from everybody. | ||
| From a lot of these fucks. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So um Owen's playing some clips of Netanyahu and just trying to make himself mad. | ||
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| Yeah, why not? | ||
| It's just it's such bad Alex shit. | ||
| You know, about that tech. | ||
| About that tech. | ||
| Where's the money really coming from? | ||
| Where is the investment really coming from? | ||
| Quibono. | ||
| Where are the production standards really being propped up from? | ||
| Uh, BB. | ||
| This is business expenditure on RD funded from abroad. | ||
| So this is by country. | ||
| How much is funded from abroad in your economy? | ||
| Well, this is clearly the winner of the United States, naturally. | ||
| This is an absolute price. | ||
| It's 2023. | ||
| Let me tell you. | ||
| So in other words, we just we prop up your entire tech industry. | ||
| So Netanyahu admits it. | ||
| The United States props up the entire Israel tech industry. | ||
| We prop up their military. | ||
| We prop up their security, we prop up their health care, we prop up their education, we prop up their tech industry. | ||
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So that's you needing us. | |
| Is it? | ||
| Wait, wouldn't it be nice to have those expenditures right here at home? | ||
| You know, that's what people are realizing. | ||
| We're struggling. | ||
| Our infrastructure's collapsing. | ||
| Our streets are getting more violent. | ||
| Our homelessness and poverty rates are rising. | ||
| And yet we keep sending all this money overseas. | ||
| The biggest benefit uh benefactor of which being Israel. | ||
| People are just sick of it. | ||
| People are sick of it and they need a new house to podcast from. | ||
| I mean, man. | ||
| So in that clip that Owen plays, Netanyahu's standing in front of a chart that's titled, quote, Most Major Tech Companies Have Their Largest RD centers outside the United States located in Israel. | ||
| Then there's a subheadline, quote, business expenditure on RD funded from abroad. | ||
| On this chart, the US is the top by a wide margin, which reflects other countries investing in RD centers in the United States. | ||
| That is money that's coming into the United States. | ||
| What Owen's complaining about is exactly what he wants it to be. | ||
| I mean what the title of this graph is saying is that other than the United States, Israel comes in second in terms of RD centers, and it's not close. | ||
| Owen is entirely misinterpreted the graph, uh what it says. | ||
| And even if it is true that the US invests a lot of money in Israel, which we do, the source that he's using doesn't say this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he forgot to crop out the I-24 news Chiron at the bottom of the screen that says, quote, Netanyahu addresses Israel's economic isolation. | ||
| This is just like on its face, no effort. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, and kind of a lack of understanding of a lot of stuff, because uh in in my experience, uh, generally speaking, if you have been giving several tens of hundreds of billions of dollars consistently over the past my entire lifetime, it's probably because you get something out of it more than it is them. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And then, you know, there's there's reciprocal uh uh investment on both countries' parts. | ||
| Like I'm I I'm not sitting here saying that we don't have a lot of money that goes to Israel in many ways from you know, whether it's public stuff or from private corporations. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| All I'm saying is that the source that Owen's trying to use here says the opposite of what he's pretending it says, and he doesn't seem to realize it. | ||
| It's just that's all. | ||
| It's just he can't make a good point because he sucks. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, and they they can't you have to look for two seconds and think and that like how do you not just go, I wonder if that actually says what I think it says. | ||
| I usually ask myself when I see something, what does this mean? | ||
| Right? | ||
| And that's foreign to that. | ||
| Ask myself that on street signs in Chicago, where I have lived for the past 20 years, right? | ||
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| Yep. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| For years. | ||
| The guy who signs Owen's checks, he just like took dumb shit that he saw on Twitter and made up stories about what he thought it meant. | ||
| And so, like, why wouldn't Owen think he can too? | ||
| Like, he has seen greatness in sloppy, lazy, no effort bullshit, and he thinks like I got the goods too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You don't. | ||
| Sorry, man. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| You know what he should try and do? | ||
| He should try and start a feud with us. | ||
| That would be a move for him. | ||
| No, because we're trying to help him. | ||
| I know, that's the problem. | ||
| He'd be like, ah, these guys just talk shit about me. | ||
| And it's like, no, man, we're we're giving you good feedback. | ||
| Constructive workshop criticism. | ||
| I I genuinely wish we had gotten some sort of feedback of this uh level in quality. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Keep that gold sales. | ||
| It's literally printing money. | ||
| It is it could not be more of a you give me ten and I'll I'll give you five. | ||
| Yep. | ||
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God, it's good. | |
| Yeah, it's good. | ||
| So we get one last clip. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I would say there's a fucking elephant in the room. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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And that isn't talked about Alex. | |
| There's one big elephant in the room, and there has been this whole fucking show. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And guess what? | ||
| He doesn't really talk about Alex. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| But boy, does he explicitly talk about Alex in this next clip? | ||
| Check out these coughs that are strategically placed. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Everybody, everybody can sense that something is still not right. | ||
| Everybody can sense that there's something really dark and sinister hovering now over this administration. | ||
| Everybody can sense it. | ||
| Everybody can feel it. | ||
| Everybody knows it. | ||
| And believe this. | ||
| A lot of the big MAGA accounts that you see out there that are pushing the pro-Trump, pro MAGA stuff, pro-Republican stuff. | ||
| These are paid promotions. | ||
| These are just political commercials on social media now. | ||
| Behind the scenes, folks, they know. | ||
| They know. | ||
| But it's their job. | ||
| It's how they make their money. | ||
| It's how they make their living. | ||
| It's how they make their income. | ||
| But behind the scenes, they know. | ||
| They know. | ||
| And, you know, I guess I'll actually say this in closing. | ||
| Because I'm telling you, this pressure cooker with free speech, folks, they can't have it. | ||
| There's there's too much pressure. | ||
| There's too many conversations. | ||
| It's threatening the establishment too much. | ||
| I I think something big is coming in response. | ||
| But it's funny because I watch. | ||
| You can kind of see now. | ||
| And I'm not, this is not to say somebody is better than the other. | ||
| I'm just this is just I'm just telling you what's happening here. | ||
| And you can, and if you really pay attention, you can see it. | ||
| You have people in let's say the independent media, the new social media, okay, that do political commentary and everything else. | ||
| And you have people in that realm that are totally bought and paid for. | ||
| Totally bought and paid for. | ||
| And even you could even say in the larger political, in the larger political media body, you have people that are literally just bought and paid for. | ||
| Who knows what their politics are? | ||
| Their politics are whoever pays them the most. | ||
| And that's why there are different instances you can see of people being on the right and then people being on the left, and then on the right, and then on the left. | ||
| It just depends where they're working or or or who they're working for. | ||
| So there's a ton of these people out there. | ||
| That they just they just work for whoever pays them. | ||
| Their politics just land at whoever's paying their bills. | ||
| They don't really have any principles. | ||
| And you're seeing a lot of these individuals really getting defensive, aggressive, because they know that the gig is up. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| There's an elephant in the room. | ||
| Um, and I think if you're in Owen's position and you're talking like this, yeah, and you don't explicitly say, I'm not talking about my boss that I just had a really ugly breakup with. | ||
| Yeah, I think it I think you're saying that it's you're talking about him. | ||
| I think it's pretty clear. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, in in this space, in this like hyper male-centric space, right? | ||
| It always fascinates me when people don't understand when you have to do the man stuff. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like you can't be in this space and go, somebody, you know, somebody who's maybe a right? | ||
| Like that's no. | ||
| Alex is like, I'm gonna eat you. | ||
| I will fucking kill your family, and then I will burn them underneath my goddamn cat. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I and and the when when I have uh when I have vanquished your bloodline. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| I will spark a fire with your bones. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| You have to recognize that the man thing in your world is crushed your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the women. | ||
| And take that like it's true. | ||
| Like you're fucking cash patel, and it makes sense to go see in Valhalla, Dick Watt. | ||
| Like you're crazy. | ||
| Yeah, it's like um there Is a dominance display that has happened. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that is Alex screaming at you and being like, you fucking piece of shit, you got a demon in you. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And like what you're doing is you're signaling that you've lost. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's a bird, and that bird is gonna fuck Alex. | ||
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| And you are gonna go back to your little hole and you're gonna cry. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You are not the bird that gets laid. | ||
| I don't think that the world works this way. | ||
| And I really, really don't like it. | ||
| And I don't treat people this way. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But this is how their world is. | ||
| This is your if you're going to live cook destroyer. | ||
| He's the cook destroyer. | ||
| He's acting like a cuck. | ||
| You are a cuck. | ||
| You got destroyed, you little cuck. | ||
| Oh God, just scream at Alex. | ||
| That's all like there's no win if you're gonna do this. | ||
| But I do think it's really funny. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think I think the clearing the throat is so funny. | ||
| I I don't understand the lack of awareness for when you are participating in your own humiliation. | ||
| You know, like if you're going to not be humiliated in this way, just don't do the stream. | ||
| I wonder if Alex has like tapes from security cameras and InfoWars of like Owen saying the N-word and like all kinds of crazy shit. | ||
| Anything. | ||
| Like I wonder if there is just that, and he's like, ugh. | ||
| And Alex is spiteful and crazy enough to just throw him out there. | ||
| And he's also protective enough to not do that if he doesn't have to. | ||
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Yep. | |
| If he can just scream that he's gonna eat you. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| He'll do that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He'll dominate you as opposed to risking like tainting the info wars, the whole workplace. | ||
| And if anybody can see when that Alex's dominance bullshit is hollow, it should be you. | ||
| You've sat next to him and Nick Fuentes is Alex like supplicates himself. | ||
| Yeah, he's he's a he and uh uh Paul Joseph Watson sat next to him while uh Alex was wasted on air rambling, making no sense. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| And and like he's even kind of saying in that clip that it's hollow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like he's saying that he's bought and paid for and and look, he doesn't say this is Alex, right? | ||
| But he also isn't saying it's not. | ||
| It has to be required to say that in this circumstance. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Or else a fucking elephant in the room. | ||
| All these people are the fucking same anyways. | ||
| Right? | ||
| How could I how could I guess even from that description which one is which? | ||
| Oh, some of them are bought and paid for. | ||
| They are all behaving identical. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right? | ||
| For the most part. | ||
| So maybe the ones who are stupid are the ones who are doing it for free. | ||
| Or for gold memberships. | ||
| All right, Dan, seriously. | ||
| Give me ten dollars, and then next month I will mail you eight dollars. | ||
| This is too good to pass up. | ||
| I feel see what I like about this is getting mail. | ||
| I think that's part of it. | ||
| I think that is part of it. | ||
| It feels good to see something addressed to me, even if it is of lesser monetary value than what I I paid for it. | ||
| I still think of the if do you remember the Taskmaster season where the guy revealed that he had a cloud of the day subscription and he paid like a dollar a month to and they email you a picture of a cloud every morning. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that was it. | ||
| And I was like, that is that's dumb. | ||
| That's terrible value, but you know what? | ||
| It's curated for you, that's fine. | ||
| It's it's to make you happy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And this is by design a scam. | ||
| So uh we will be back for another episode. | ||
| I I have this weird feeling that like I kind of may do more Owen. | ||
| I think Owen's gotta Owen's gotta change. | ||
| Owen's gotta grow. | ||
| Owen's gotta do something. | ||
| He does, but he has a slight awareness that there's that need. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| That's what's interesting about him. | ||
| Is like he is at a crossroads. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Where we could see him like take on a challenge, or we could see him continue to do whatever this is. | ||
| I mean, I I would find it really interesting if I thought for a moment that there was the possibility that we would see an egg hatch into an eagle. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But I don't see any possibility of that, especially after a little coughing fit here. | ||
| Yeah, no, it seems it seems incredibly unlikely. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But there's a chance. | ||
| It would it would actually be an interesting thing to witness. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| to see him go from being the pathetic loser that this is to being something more than that. | ||
| Well, I mean, the alternative is just, you know, like keeping on watching Alex all the time. | ||
| No, I'm I'll take I'll take this as a little bit of a diversion. | ||
| I want them to fight. | ||
| For fuck's sakes. | ||
| Grow up and fight like babies. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Fight like a true Limp Biscuit fan. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Speaking of which I forgot to mention this. | ||
| He does play that Limp Biscuit song again. | ||
| I believe it, though. | ||
| I believe it. | ||
| The show. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because he's that dude. | ||
| Well, one good turn deserves another. | ||
| He's that dude. | ||
| He's just that dude. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So anyway, we'll be back uh with the now Owen Schroyer branded podcast. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But uh Oh, we call it no and Troyer. | ||
| That's not bad. | ||
| It could be worse for something that I've just thought up in zero seconds. | ||
| It's definitely better than the Owen report. | ||
| Anyway, we'll be back. | ||
| Uh until then we have a website. | ||
| DV2 until we'll be back. | ||
| But until then, I'm Neo. | ||
| I'm Leo. | ||
| I'm DZX Clark. | ||
| I am the mysterious professor. | ||
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Woo! | |
| Yeah! | ||
| Woo! | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| Woo! | ||
| And now here comes the sex robots. | ||
| Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
| Hello, Alex. | ||
| I'm a first time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |
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