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Sept. 19, 2025 - Knowledge Fight
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#1077: September 16, 2025

In this installment, Dan and Jordan check in to witness Alex demanding the federal government crack down on the left and kill people for their Discord messages.

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alex jones
12:10
d
dan friesen
28:24
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jordan holmes
14:28
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unidentified
Dan and Jordan, I am sweating.
alex jones
Knowledgeparty.com.
It's time to pray.
I have great respect for the knowledge fight.
Knowledge fight.
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys.
Shang, we are the bad guys.
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
I need money.
Riddler.
Andy and Pansy.
unidentified
Andy and Tandy.
Stop it.
alex jones
Andy and Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
unidentified
Andy.
Andy.
alex jones
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the airplane for holding us.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a fish in Colorado here today.
alex jones
I love your room.
unidentified
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledgefight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Celine, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
unidentified
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
Which bright spot today, buddy?
dan friesen
Why don't you go first?
jordan holmes
My bright spot, Dan, is I just recently finished this book just yesterday called King of Kings.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
And it's really, really good.
It's about Jesus.
No, it's about the Iranian Revolution.
And Ayatollah Khomeini and the Shah and all the big players, you know, the CIA, if you've ever heard of them.
dan friesen
Was that Chris Weber the King of Kings?
jordan holmes
Do you mean the Sacramento King of Kings?
dan friesen
Yeah, wasn't that one of his name?
jordan holmes
Who was that one of his nicknames?
dan friesen
I thought it was.
jordan holmes
That'd be fun.
dan friesen
All right.
Sorry.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
It's basically the same level of importance.
But it's really interesting and it's really great.
And I liked it.
And it is an exhaustive listing of how everybody involved in every possible way was stupid, except for Khomeini, who was like invited to take over.
It was wild.
It's wild if you read it.
But here's one of the things that it reminded me of.
dan friesen
That scene in Half Baked, fuck you.
jordan holmes
Fucking.
That one's great.
That one's great.
No.
It's that all of these books are written from like this main character point of view, right?
And at no point in time is anybody like, okay, well, if we wrote like 40,000 of these books about the people who are doing the rioting, and we could have just been like, oh, well, instead, we fed them.
Like, it never occurred to any of these people to be like, well, why don't we just feed people for a while and then we'll work this shit out?
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
It's amazing.
It's amazing.
dan friesen
That is a thought that gets lost in the shuffle.
jordan holmes
Never considered.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Never considered.
dan friesen
I think that it's time to create a new political party, and that is just bullying people into feeding everyone.
jordan holmes
I genuinely, here's what I think.
And this is what I was thinking about it.
Like, if you want to, the thing about feeding people is that if you want to feed everybody, along the way, you will wind up having to solve every major political problem we have to get there.
dan friesen
It ends up touching a lot of other ones.
Yeah, that is true.
And that's just a concrete fundamental thing that you can do is just give people food.
jordan holmes
All you have to do is feed people.
And somehow it's like, if you want to do that, you have to fundamentally restructure the entire United States.
dan friesen
And that teaches you a lot.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it does.
dan friesen
Well, I'm glad you enjoyed this book about Chris Weber.
jordan holmes
It was great.
Weber had a good career, a lot of injuries, but you know.
dan friesen
That's true.
jordan holmes
What are you going to do?
What's your bright spot?
dan friesen
My parents are in town visiting.
So we've been having a nice time.
Went to dinner.
Gonna go see a state park or something.
jordan holmes
Nice.
dan friesen
It's a nice time, you know?
Yeah.
Hey.
Families around.
jordan holmes
Can't see Chris Weber anymore.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
I've been assassing them a lot about how they're in the big city because they live in Kansas City.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And, you know, that's not a small town.
jordan holmes
It's not a small town.
dan friesen
But it's fun.
It's fun to pretend that they're Kansas City hicks coming to the big city.
jordan holmes
I don't know if it, I think, I think it, uh, it works.
Uh, maybe it doesn't deserve the moniker city, but you know, what are you going to do?
Kansas Town doesn't work as well.
dan friesen
Kansas City is big.
You underrate it.
It's a city for sure.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
All right.
I think, yeah.
jordan holmes
Wow, they got a football team.
dan friesen
Yep.
They do.
jordan holmes
But so does Green Bay, and that doesn't really count as a city.
dan friesen
And baseball.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
Green Bay doesn't have a professional baseball team.
jordan holmes
That is true.
That changes everything.
dan friesen
Kansas City's got it all.
Probably a soccer team.
Who knows?
jordan holmes
Does it have a restaurant by Alex Guernicelli?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
Well, then I guess it does.
dan friesen
Prove me wrong.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
I can't.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today we had an episode to go over.
unidentified
Interesting.
dan friesen
We're going to be talking about a little bit of September 16th, 2025.
And that's, you know, Alex was out of studio.
He was poking around, having a good time out there on the road, talking to Ed Martin up in D.C. All right.
Doing some other business.
jordan holmes
Trying to get it done.
dan friesen
And he comes back to the studio on the 16th.
And, you know, it's just bad.
It's just, it's just real.
It's just bad.
And we'll talk a little bit about it.
But first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So, first, Dan's playing knick-knack patty whack with St. Celine, the Quitsats Hotter Cat.
Thank you so much, Jernow Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
I do.
Next, sorry to my beautiful wife, Pernila, for breaking my toe and then listening to Knowledge Fight continuously on our honeymoon.
Also, hello, Alexander, from your loving father who didn't name you after Alex Jones.
Thank you so much, you're now policywonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
May do.
And Caitlin, hippie pappy, Bethesda, many happy returns from Brad and Batman.
You guys, does Alex know that shrimp are bugs?
Thank you so much, you're now a policywonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And we got to take credit at the mix, Jordan.
So thank you so much, too.
I was supposed to have this for Valentine's Day, but I'm the slacker, not Dana Jordan.
So happy Valentine's Day, birthday, and anniversary.
Devin, thank you for being amazing to our Raptor Princesses and the emotional sport pelican to Mr. Roper.
Thank you for introducing me to this podcast and for not losing your mind, even when you binge the entire back catalog.
Thank you so much, Jernao Democrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Someone, sodomite, sent me a bucket of poop.
Daddy Sharp.
Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser, little, little kitty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
I like to imagine that that was from you, but then I realize your wife has never backed Brutus.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, not at all.
dan friesen
And it would be funny if she introduced you to the show that you do.
jordan holmes
It would be difficult for that to occur.
But I mean, it would have temporal implications, I think.
dan friesen
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah.
So obviously, the thing that is taking over most of the media's attention at this point is Charlie Kirk being killed.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And the ongoing attempt to demonize people based on it.
jordan holmes
Everybody's doing great.
dan friesen
Yeah, so good.
I thought one sign of how deeply fucked up the world is that JD Vance hosted a bit of Charlie Kirk's show after he died.
And you know, I think that there's a line between tribute and inappropriate.
And when the vice president of the United States is hosting your podcast.
jordan holmes
Here's what I love.
Here's what I love about this: quite the opposite, I believe, of what everybody has been trying to do.
It has been made crystal clear that no one gives a fuck about Charlie Kirk.
No one gave a shit about Charlie Kirk.
This is purely for whatever everybody can use it for.
dan friesen
It's dangerously opportunistic.
jordan holmes
It is hilarious.
dan friesen
Ah, man.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's sad.
dan friesen
What we come down to all the time is like the stuff that we see these people do and that we witness by virtue of doing this show is fucking hilarious in a script.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it is not in the real world.
In the real world, it's scary as hell.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there were a lot of things in King of Kings that were very funny, but only because we are now in the future.
dan friesen
Yeah, if they're not happening and people aren't heard by them, it is kind of funny the idea that the vice president is hosting a shitheads podcast because he got killed.
jordan holmes
How do you even properly convey the like not give a shit about this human being?
Like if I'm the person that I would feel worst for would be a Charlie Kirk who had tried to Tom Sawyer his own funeral and saw all of this happen and go, fuck, no one cared about me at all.
dan friesen
I'm very useful right now.
I did not exist.
Awful reason.
You know, I was trying to think of an analog even, and I couldn't come up with, like, if Terry Gross got murdered and then Kamala Harris hosted fresh air.
It's only possible.
jordan holmes
It's only possible in a murder of crows.
You know, like only these only these beasts in specific would even be capable of doing something like this.
dan friesen
I thought that was really funny and shocking and a sign of like how deteriorated expectations are.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like the vice president should not be doing this.
Whatever we think about, you know, left or right or anyone's political stuff, like that's not, that's unbecoming.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Well, and I think also it points to the viewpoint he has of himself, which is equal to the one that we all have, which is that he's not a real person.
You know, like you're not, I understand that you're the vice president, but you're not real.
You don't matter.
You're a meaningless vestige.
So, of course, go ahead and host this podcast.
dan friesen
You're a thing.
You're an idea.
jordan holmes
Right?
Can you imagine Joe Biden in the middle of fucking Obama's presidency while they're murdering Bin Laden?
Just being like, hey, also, I'm going to host this show real quick.
dan friesen
What?
Yeah, I'm going to host WTF.
What?
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
That doesn't even track because there's no left-wing Charlie Kirk.
jordan holmes
Nope.
There's nothing like him.
dan friesen
I guess maybe some streamer or something like that.
Like Hassan gets killed and then Biden steps in on his show.
alex jones
I guess.
jordan holmes
What a weird world.
What a weird world.
Crazy.
dan friesen
Anyway, everything's a mess.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So Alex is back and he's talking about how this was Antifa.
Sure.
Antifa done did this.
jordan holmes
Why not?
alex jones
Thank you for joining us for another historic, extremely important broadcast.
Remember, you are the Paul Revere's.
No matter where you live in the world or what color you are, you have red blood and God made you.
You can resonate with the truth or you can tune in to the demonic channel and serve evil.
As for me, in my house, we choose God.
It doesn't mean I'm perfect.
Doesn't mean I have all the answers.
Doesn't mean I'm not a fallen creature.
Doesn't mean I don't have my struggles.
But at the end of the day, I choose God and I choose the truth.
And it's that decision that opens the door for Christ to come into our hearts and daily expel the temptations of the evil one and the system that many of our fellow humans have partially or completely fallen to wickedness.
This is a demonic battle that we are facing.
All right.
The bottom line is this: Charlie Kirk's execution last Wednesday in front of the world is a shot heard around the world.
It is a thousand times more powerful than the sad death of George Floyd because it was deliberate and it was done through hate and it was done by a system of open mind control created by the CIA at MI6 that is the trans/slash antifa movement.
dan friesen
So I guess trans and Antifa are the same thing now, which feels like sloppy messaging on Alex's part.
But to be fair, he doesn't really have any reason to be precise.
He's created a show where everything he likes is godly and everything he doesn't like is demonic.
So everything blurs together and who gives a shit?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Since we last recorded, there have been some developments on the Kirk killing story.
And each step along the way, the folks on Alex's side of the fence have been desperate to try to find a way to blame trans people for the shooting.
Sure.
The first attempt was just to say that the shooter was probably trans themselves because they like to pretend that there's a giant trans terrorism problem and the people debating Kirk, when he got shot, the guy who was debating him was discussing how Kirk is part of pushing a hysteria around this issue.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
So they're going to push a hysteria around it.
alex jones
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
When the shooter was arrested and it turned out he was a cis white man, there were some other attempts to turn this into the kind of story they wanted it to be, ultimately landing on focusing on the shooter's roommate, who's allegedly a trans woman, who he may have been in a relationship of some sort with.
Great.
As far as information that I've been able to see so far, there's no evidence that this person had any foreknowledge of the shooter's plans.
And in fact, there's some strong indications that when they learned what he was doing, they were shocked and upset.
The FBI has said that they're cooperating with the investigation.
So from my perspective, I don't even think that naming this person is appropriate right now because I don't think they did anything wrong.
alex jones
Nope.
dan friesen
It's clear, though, that this story is now like, this is what this is going to be about.
The shooter's politics are a jumbled mess, and he's just a white guy from a Trump supporting family.
So there's not a lot for someone like Alex to work with.
But it appears that he may have been in a relationship with a trans woman.
So the guilt for the shooting is going to be transferred onto her no matter what.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that's bullshit.
jordan holmes
No, I think we're all doing great.
I think everybody is just really crushing it.
You know, it was, it was like, can you imagine this reaction if from any of these corporations to somebody on Fox News talking shit about George Floyd like the day it happened?
Do you remember some of the things that they said about that person on TV for 24 hours and then 24 more hours and then over and over and over again.
And now it is literally like, hey, guys, maybe stop screaming.
Let's go kill each other.
You're fired.
Like, it is insane.
It's insane.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, there does seem to be a lot of cancel culture going around now that seemed to be the worst thing in the world before.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
But oh well.
jordan holmes
Yep.
Perpetrated by corporations who have our best interests in mind.
dan friesen
Perpetrated or enabled.
Yeah.
Like, you know, whether or not, like, where the ball starts rolling is, that's a debatable question, but they're allowing that ball to roll for sure.
I believe it.
So, look, everything's fucked.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And Alex has determined that there is a group that planned this.
And he has all the evidence and all the Discord messages.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
It, of course, is now confirmed that he is the shooter, confessed to it, wrote manifestos on it, huge Discord chats with more than 20 people encouraging him.
Six people the day before in the town alone who were trans supporters or trans said he'll be dead tomorrow.
Just watch.
They went online after he was killed Wednesday and celebrated and said, see, I told you he'd be dead.
dan friesen
Alex is lying about these Discord messages that have been released.
There's no messages that have shown premeditation or planning of the attack.
All of the evidence that's out involves messages from after the attack.
One chat where the shooter confesses to his friends and another where he's joking around about how a doppelganger is trying to set him up.
Law enforcement has said that they want to track down the members of these chats, which is about 20 people, not because there's advanced knowledge of the murder, but because these people would be close to the shooter and possibly able to provide some insight into his motives.
Bottom line, Alex is just lying and making things up because it's way easier than having to prove something, and none of his ding-dong Septogenarian audience knows what Discord is.
So he can just say it's all on the Discord.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And great.
It's like the white papers.
jordan holmes
It is a fundamental disadvantage to even give a shit about what actually happened.
You know, like you're in the space where giving a shit about what happened is the absolute furthest thing from your mind.
It's how can I make this as much as possible?
dan friesen
Yeah.
And that's, you know, it's difficult to explain, but like it feels like we're in a situation where Alex has gone from like he would play defense about shit and make shit up.
And it was a pretty aggressive kind of defense.
And now he's playing offense.
And you can't play defense against his offense without playing the same game that he's playing.
You surrender your ability to care about what's actually happening in order to play a defense against this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
And I don't quite know how to articulate it, but it feels like it's a trap.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, what we're watching is all of these people dig gold out of Charlie Kirk's fucking coffin.
They're just digging as much gold out of there and trying to suck as much money out of his corpse as possible.
And then you have to pretend to play a game where they're like, oh, isn't it terrible what happened to them?
The game that we're playing is you guys are getting money from this.
That's what it is.
dan friesen
You guys are getting money and you are pushing hate a lot further than you were probably able to last week.
You know, there's the palpable demonization you're able to justify based on the stories you're telling about this.
And yeah, I just don't know what to do.
jordan holmes
I mean, until people are more uncomfortable with digging gold out of a corpse than they are with saying, fuck that guy, I don't think what we're going to do is anything different.
dan friesen
It's an imbalance.
Yep.
So Alex touches on the news of this roommate slash possible partner of the shooter.
alex jones
And you have the eyewitnesses and the neighbors of him with his trans boyfriend, both of them dressing like clown creatures, other gimp-like creatures in the house.
The town reportedly completely infested.
This is what's going on in the elementary, middle schools, and high schools.
This is the type of sick system that they're setting up.
Remember the CIA in the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s, over 30,000 children in West Germany given to convicted pedophiles to, quote, create a new family, a new culture.
Well, that's been done through this in the West as well.
And it is absolutely, totally, and completely backfired.
dan friesen
That clip is insane.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
It starts with anecdotal stories of the shooter and his roommate being dressed up like clown creatures and then gets extrapolated out into a claim that this whole town is infested, presumably by LGBTQ folk.
In his head, Alex connects this story to a headline he remembers about Germany, which he misremembers as being about sending 30,000 children to pedophiles.
That was a real story, but Alex is fudging some details and avoiding context.
And then he basically is saying that the same thing is happening here in our elementary schools and everything.
This is just an elaborate fantasy that Alex has constructed to reinforce his bigotries.
And man, it's a mess, just hopping from lily pad to lily pad.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it is so fucking, it's so frustrating.
It's so fucking frustrating to listen to this shit go.
Like, here's what I'm thinking of when I hear that shit, right?
I'm thinking of how at the end of World War II in Japan, right?
They had people going around with these cars with giant speakers before the Americans would come anywhere near them that was like, please don't kill your children and yourselves.
Americans aren't cannibals.
But because that's the propaganda, that's what you had to do.
You had to convince people of this level of shit.
Then you would see people who'd killed themselves and their own children to avoid being eaten.
And it's like, this is what happens if you convince people of such bullshit.
This is the same thing.
This is getting people hurt for bullshit.
dan friesen
It very much is and will.
and we need you know what sucks It's like, I don't feel like those kinds of trucks would be effective right now.
jordan holmes
No, absolutely not.
That's what cannibals would say.
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
That's exactly what they would do.
dan friesen
These fucking trucks are paid for by the cannibals.
unidentified
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
The cannibals.
When did the cannibals stop eating each other long enough to build trucks?
dan friesen
Yeah, that's a bummer.
Anyway, there's a satanic trans organization that is behind this murder, apparently.
And Alex has cracked the case.
Got it.
alex jones
All right.
Thank you for joining us today.
We're now getting a crystal clear picture of a trans anti-fuck devil cult in Utah that was absolutely behind the murder of the great Charlie Kirk.
And we have ongoing, continued mass celebrations, not just here, but around the world by leftist demons, pastors and members of Congress, and just thousands of teachers as the main group, lawyers, doctors, scientists, absolutely celebrating Kirk's death.
dan friesen
This celebration stuff is still just Alex whining about social media posts.
I just want to make it clear that Alex doesn't actually want to play the guilt by social media association game.
If he thinks that people posting TikToks joking about Kirk's death are distasteful, wait till he sees what fans or guests of his show have posted in the past.
Because I don't think he would enjoy that much.
If he was forced to take responsibility for the shit these other people have posted, please.
jordan holmes
I think I recall him being in a courtroom taking responsibility for some of these things, and he didn't do it.
dan friesen
You know what?
And it was big of him to take responsibility.
jordan holmes
It was, wasn't it?
Yeah.
dan friesen
Also, he seems to be setting himself with a really difficult case that he now needs to prove.
He has literally nothing to go on other than vibes, and he's claiming that there's a full-on satanic trans cult behind Kirk's shooting.
This is just dumb, but it doesn't matter.
His audience is never going to demand that he prove this.
unidentified
It's just, yeah, of course there's a devil cult.
jordan holmes
And it's not even like they care if it's actually a devil cult.
They could even just be like, oh, yeah.
No, don't worry about it.
That's just his way of saying normal trans people, which is worse.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yep.
Yep.
So Alex wants fucking arrests.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
And big ones.
He wants the federal government to fucking crack down.
jordan holmes
Sure, onto everybody.
dan friesen
Yeah, it makes sense.
alex jones
We have thousands of innocent J6ers arrested, old ladies, drug off to prison for walking between the velvet ropes being waved in on J6.
Those people were innocent.
With the left, they're openly terrorist, calling for violence, engaging in violence.
And when they break the law, they need to be absolutely prosecuted to the full extent of it.
And if I don't start seeing serious arrests, and I mean within days, I am going absolutely ape against Pam Bondi, Cash Patel, and Dan Bongino.
If I don't see some action to protect the American people, then you are aiding and abetting it.
I've seen a bunch of foot dragging on everything else, and I know they've been blocking your appointments and suing you and everything you do.
And I understand you're got an uphill battle.
But on this, it's cut and dry.
I want you to do your job right now.
And I'm giving the FBI and the DOJ and Trump's on their ass.
I can tell you that.
I was just in D.C. He's yelling at them.
dan friesen
I'll tell you, someone who started doing their job, the person who does the delay button.
jordan holmes
It was surprising not to hear shit.
dan friesen
Yeah.
He's gotten real loose with swearing.
jordan holmes
I feel like I've heard some swears.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
So if there aren't any big arrests soon, Alex isn't going to war with Bondi or the FBI.
This is such an empty threat.
But I think he also definitely means what he's saying.
Sure.
He feels this way.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But there's never going to be any follow-through.
The things that Alex wants the Trump administration to do are illegal on a basic level.
He wants to use the idea of the Kirk killing to be used as a pretext to clamp down on tons of LGBTQ organizations on the pretext that they're supporting the, quote, trans ideology that was behind the murder.
Alex wants to see the largest crackdown of civil rights and the largest violation of those rights in the modern era.
And he knows that kind of thing has to happen fast or it won't work.
His whole career has been about screaming about the Hegelian dialectic and how the globalists create chaos so they can bring in their preferred form of order.
That order wouldn't be appealing to the public if the public weren't being terrorized by the chaos that the globalists created, which has the effect of corralling people to their chosen solution.
jordan holmes
As they look for safety.
dan friesen
In the past, Alex has pretended to be opposed to this kind of leadership, but it's clear that he's neutral on it at best.
And if you're going to usher the population around based on manufactured crises and that you want to use as focal points, it's important that you act quick.
It's not a coincidence that the Patriot Act was passed about a month after 9-11.
There was momentum.
And if they waited much longer, some of the stuff they wanted to put in that bill might have run into trouble and not passed.
This isn't really all that different.
Alex wants a huge, very illegal response from the state, and he knows that the window of opportunity to use Charlie's death is slim.
As horrifying and shocking as it was, we live in a world where passions die down fast and attention moves on to some other very pressing story.
Alex is demanding immediate action within days because delayed action isn't an option.
He knows that you got to strike while the iron's hot.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
We didn't do anything about Epstein.
dan friesen
He didn't either.
jordan holmes
I think we, no, that's what I'm saying.
Like, if I'm any of these people, I'm going, well, all of the Epstein stuff, we lost pretty hardcore on every possible front.
So, one, this is, again, very – thank you, Charlie – Thanks for helping.
This makes us all feel a lot better about ourselves.
dan friesen
Thank you for reheating the iron.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
Really did not strike while that iron was hot and demand any change.
We said we were going to really demand a lot of change.
unidentified
Absolutely.
dan friesen
And then we whiffed.
So you've reheated the iron and we're going to demand again.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
And then later probably be like, ooh, next time.
jordan holmes
I mean, the idea of after Epstein, after all of that, to then be like, now we're going to put pressure on Patel and Bonte.
unidentified
Guys, you're under their boot.
jordan holmes
Be done.
dan friesen
When we're talking about clown creatures, you all have to do yourselves.
Yeah, it's almost impossible to take any threat of Alex with any kind of like, oh, this time I'm going to be mad.
Sure, you are, buddy.
jordan holmes
No, he's best friends with the baby raper.
dan friesen
You're fine.
If you're not out now, no amount of leverage exists.
You're just a real ding-dong following along.
alex jones
Yep.
dan friesen
So Alex has decided that he wants the death penalty for not just the shooter.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Everyone in those discounts.
alex jones
Everyone.
We have armies of scum forming, celebrating murder, celebrating death, giggling, laughing.
It is absolutely out of control.
This is their John Podesta-funded insurrection.
This is the main crisis for our republic.
So I want action, and I want action yesterday.
I want it now, now, now, now.
jordan holmes
Glenn?
alex jones
And you got your warrants?
Now.
I even got mad.
I love our riders of our crew, but they always want to be very restrained.
Oh, it appears there were people with prior knowledge in the town.
It doesn't appear.
They're like, he'll be dead tomorrow.
Watch the day they kill him.
See, I told you you have prior knowledge.
You're aiding and abetting.
You didn't call the police when you got told your buddy in your cult was going to kill.
Turns out he knew these people, not just online.
At least 20 in the Discord, at least six in the town.
You knew he was going to kill Charlie Kirk and, God forbid, shoot other people that weren't even the target.
And you didn't do anything.
You are an accessory to capital murder.
I want them arrested.
I want them indicted.
I want them tried for aiding and abetting in capital murder as accessories.
And I want them to be given the lethal injection.
I want them dead.
unidentified
Huh.
alex jones
That's what we do to people like that.
unidentified
Protect the Christian American people.
alex jones
Arrest these terrorists.
Give them fair trials and then kill them.
Kill them.
A federal government.
Do your job.
Kill them.
Kill them.
unidentified
All right.
alex jones
We're not taking it anymore.
dan friesen
So, yeah, put that on his.
jordan holmes
Wait, who's not taking it?
If you're telling the government to murder people, I think we are taking it.
dan friesen
Look, it's disorienting because of Alex's entire life.
But him screaming that the federal government needs to kill people.
unidentified
Kill them.
jordan holmes
Where are we?
What?
dan friesen
Do you know what?
We're where we were all along.
It's just there's no pretending anymore.
jordan holmes
For sure.
dan friesen
He's not pretending to have some kind of like.
jordan holmes
I'm just.
No, now I'm just interested in the logistics.
Okay, so now we're past it.
Right.
Obviously, the government's just going to start murdering people left and right.
Right?
dan friesen
No, just left.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
What are the logistics, though?
You know, like, how are we doing this?
Are we doing?
dan friesen
I hate to sound like a broken clock or whatever, but Daleks with guns.
jordan holmes
I mean, that's, I feel like firing squad is the way to go.
Let's go classic.
dan friesen
Especially with Daleks.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
Well, I think it's an evergreen idea.
jordan holmes
AI AI is now to the point now where we have to put Daleks with guns in there.
dan friesen
And of course, the dreaded Soylent Green trucks that Alex has said were coming with COVID.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm going to go with blindfold and cigarette.
I'm fine with that.
I'll go out like that.
dan friesen
These days, it's going to be a vape.
jordan holmes
The motherfuckers!
dan friesen
Blindfolded.
jordan holmes
Finally, finally, there's a reason to hate modernity.
dan friesen
You know what it's going to be?
It's going to be VR goggles and a vape.
jordan holmes
You know what?
That's, hey, listen.
You watch a little VR port and you get shot in the head.
dan friesen
Oculus and fucking jewel.
jordan holmes
God damn.
What a world.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think that there's something just inherently fucking embarrassing about being Alex Jones and yelling that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, I don't know.
jordan holmes
There's something embarrassing about being anybody who says that the government should kill people just on account of like, think about what governments do when you're like, hey, kill people.
Not good.
Never.
It's never gone good.
dan friesen
It's so funny because Alex takes credit with popularizing the term democide.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Murder by government.
He's such a fucking loser.
God damn.
jordan holmes
You know, here's the thing that gets me about people who really do kind of tend to know the Geneva Conventions.
How willing they are to throw them aside at any moment's notice.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, collective punishment is wrong.
How about, hear me out?
What if we killed everybody who was nearby at any given point in time?
dan friesen
That's the only way to be safe.
jordan holmes
That's the only way to be safe.
dan friesen
Damn.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
So Alex wants a crackdown on the left because of course you will do your job and you will protect the American people or we will have your ass removed and we will find people that will do their job.
Quite frankly, most of the feds are running around arresting illegal aliens and gangbangers that are illegal aliens.
That's good, but I think half of those should be cut back now and put on domestic terror operations for the avowed left saying they want full.
I mean, in the MSNBC had headlines.
We've done major polls.
Majority of Democrats want blood, want war, want to kill.
Yeah, we know.
What?
We know.
jordan holmes
What show is this?
alex jones
So do your job.
Yeah, there's Nordine.
Famously, when Andy tries to hit him with a metal baton that can kill you, he knocks the guy out defending himself and they call him terrorist for that.
Oh, you're a terrorist.
Somebody tries to hit you in the head with a metal baton.
unidentified
Boom.
alex jones
That's what they don't like.
Well, that's what the constitutional federal officers under Trump's command have a right to do.
It's symbolic as Nordine.
They're swinging at us.
They're killing us.
They're attacking us.
This is what you do through the courts, through law enforcement.
That's what law enforcement needs.
That's what the Trump administration.
That's what the FBI must do now.
This right here.
dan friesen
So to be clear, when Alex mentions Nordine, he's talking about Ethan Nordine, one of the proud boys who was charged with seditious conspiracy for trying to overthrow the election on January 6th.
Sure.
Prior to that, he was a street fighter guy in the Proud Boys.
And, you know, that guy was coming at him with a baton because he had already assaulted people.
Right, right, right, right.
Do you remember his nickname?
jordan holmes
Based sick man?
dan friesen
That was a different guy.
jordan holmes
Oh, I don't know.
Was it just Baton Man?
dan friesen
No.
Rufio Panman.
jordan holmes
No, it was that guy.
dan friesen
Ethan Nordine was Rufio Panan.
jordan holmes
He has a name?
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
They should have taken it from him.
alex jones
Yep.
dan friesen
Rufio Pan Man is the model for federal police.
jordan holmes
This is what they should have done from the beginning.
I'm sending them to prison.
Terrible idea.
Jay Sixers, remove their names.
dan friesen
Make sure to go by their stupidity.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
Your name is done.
dan friesen
We have removed it.
Yeah, so I mean, I think that Alex is showing a little bit too much of his ass.
But what are you going to do?
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Do you know what?
Okay, look, I love that the feds are out there trying to catch all people they suspect of being immigrants.
jordan holmes
I mean, obviously.
dan friesen
I love that they're doing that.
jordan holmes
Of course.
unidentified
Now, half of them should start building FEMA camps to put the left in.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah.
dan friesen
I mean, honestly.
jordan holmes
Obviously.
dan friesen
We need to maximize our resources.
jordan holmes
Here's what I don't get.
Right.
This is, again, this is the thing that I just don't get.
I mean, I understand.
Oh, we're all so angry.
Yeah, that's fine.
But this doesn't actually accomplish your goals, right?
You know, like if your goal is to get rid of the left or whatever, the FEMA camp thing historically always just makes people like hardened, and then there's a terrorism, and then there's a revolution, and then we do it all over again.
dan friesen
Right.
Unless you learn from the lessons of the past and be harsher.
jordan holmes
No, that's the opposite of how it works.
dan friesen
Right, maybe.
But I think that you have to look at this from like a sort of there's a bifurcated goal.
Sure.
And there's the, you know, working towards a society that crushes the left.
Sure.
And also Alex making a lot of money.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And this is a lot of this is more in service of that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that is a good point.
dan friesen
He's like speaking to an audience that wants to hear this.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that's more, like, obviously it's closer to where his heart is also.
Sure.
But he's now living in a world where you don't have to pretend that it's like, oh, so scary.
The government.
Oh, no.
They're going to get new world order.
unidentified
Oh, no.
dan friesen
You don't have to do that shit anymore.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You can be like, we run this shit.
We're in control.
Rufy Opan Man is a hero.
jordan holmes
I find it strange to think that somebody, because we're of the age, right?
So somebody's in the army right now or whatever who's my age.
Like this guy grew up when Limp Biscuit was on TRL, right?
And then now he's going to get an order that's like, start killing regular people.
And then he's just going to do it.
Like, that's crazy.
dan friesen
Well, he just got to keep rolling, rolling, rolling.
Exactly.
jordan holmes
That's what I'm saying.
Like, what a wild thing.
Why wouldn't you just be like, really?
No, I don't think so.
dan friesen
You know what I would say?
Those orders got passed down.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Give me something to break.
Trying to think of some other limpisters.
jordan holmes
I was going to say, I ran out of gas immediately.
dan friesen
When fascism rises, we are all in together now.
We are all limp biscuit.
So the media, everybody, they want to flood the zone with all this fake stuff about Charlie.
Trying to make him look bad now that he's dead.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
Right?
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, Nazis tend to look bad.
dan friesen
But only if you make up stuff about them.
If you don't, then they get to be angelic little cherubs forever, like Charlie deserves to be.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
But let me tell you something else we're doing.
I'm going to do it a little bit later.
They are flooding the internet, just like with Trump, with fake quotes.
Remember Trump?
I hate all Mexicans.
Never said anything close to it.
Remember Trump?
I think the KKK are very fine people.
Remember that?
He said the opposite.
He said the KKK are not very fine people.
Overhead shot, Omar should rule this, please.
They are flooding the internet with stuff like this.
Black women do not have the brain processing power to be taken seriously.
You have to go steal a white person's slot.
Charlie Kirk, July 23, never said anything close to that.
Absolutely not true.
dan friesen
So Alex says that Charlie said nothing close to that.
But here's what he said on his show on July 13th, 2023.
Quote, if we would have said three weeks ago that Joy Reed and Michelle Obama and Sheila Jackson Lee and Kataji Brown Jackson were affirmative action picks, we would have been called racist.
But now they're coming out and saying it for us.
They're coming out and saying, I'm only here because of affirmative action.
Yeah, we know.
You didn't have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously.
You had to go steal a white person's slot to go be taken somewhat seriously.
The unfortunate reality is that Charlie Kirk was a racist.
And he recorded him saying a lot of the stuff that takes away from the saintly image that Alex and his ilk want to create now that he's dead.
These statements in his career remain.
They're real.
So, in order for Alex to deal with that, he's just decided he's going to lie and pretend like, oh, he didn't say that stuff.
No, he did.
He absolutely said that stuff.
jordan holmes
That's what that's the problem.
That's my point about all of this: is that what all of these people wish they could do now is remove everything that made Charlie Kirk a human being and just simply have their version.
Yep.
Like, essentially, they want to, I guess, kill Charlie Kirk.
dan friesen
He is, if they're able to sanitize his image in the aftermath of this, he is worth so much more to them dead than alive.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
As alive, he just goes to more of these college events and argues with people.
Yep.
And he makes a lot of money.
And, you know, period, there are gains that are made in terms of, you know, conservatism on college campuses, having a stronger foothold.
There are benefits to his continued push.
But for folks like Alex, especially, like, this is far more useful now.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, they love that he's dead.
Which is ironic how their entire thing is about being mad that people are like, hey, it's fine that he's dead.
dan friesen
But here's the ironic thing, too: is that like Alex agrees with what Charlie Kirk said in that quote.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
But he knows that I have to make him out to be like the most middle-of-the-road person who was killed for his really tame speech.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
And just polite disagreements that he was having with people.
So in order to sell him as this martyr, Alex has to deny things that he agrees with Charlie about.
jordan holmes
Everything that Charlie Kirk was, everything that made Charlie Kirk Charlie Kirk needs to be sanded down until he is a fucking store mannequin.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And they can dress him however they like.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
So if anybody's killed Charlie Kirk, you got it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
They're actively involved in killing the memory of what he actually was.
jordan holmes
I would, as a person, you would be like, don't do this to me.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, I think that it's making a misrepresentation of his history to pretend he was wearing a swastika and yelling slurs all the time.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
Like, that's a caricature of him.
Sure.
But Alex is doing the opposite.
Like, he's making a character in the other side where he's just like a good Christian boy who just wants to pray and everyone hated him for it.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And both are insulting versions of his memory.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Anyway, Alex gets to talking about how Antifa, you know, those guys.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
They need to be terrorists.
Trump needs to treat them as such.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
Let's go to Trump.
This is Trump asked if we should designate Antifa and other radical groups as domestic terrorist.
Yeah.
They literally call for the violent overthrow of the government, call for violence to shut people's speech down.
They've killed a bunch of people.
They're literally funded by Soros.
They've been killing a bunch of people in Europe.
Now, 10 members of AFD that were in the lead have died in the last two weeks.
It was four, five, six, seven, eight.
Now it's 10 magically died.
Antifa just attacked a bunch of them over there violently.
It's an international terror group.
dan friesen
Yeah.
alex jones
Absolutely lootly.
And 40% of them on average are crazy trainees.
jordan holmes
Great.
alex jones
I mean, this is just nuts.
dan friesen
So there have been seven AFD candidates that have died in the run-up to their election, but that isn't as statistically crazy as it might sound.
Nine non-AFD member candidates have also died.
And a lot of this is because this number includes all the local elections and really minor races.
There were over 20,000 candidates in the elections that these candidates came from.
And maybe that number of deaths seems a little bit high, but on its own, it doesn't prove anything other than it looks high.
The German police have said that there's no sign of foul play in these deaths, but I guess Alex knows better.
And why waste an opportunity to pretend that you're a victim?
Sure.
Incidentally, just today, as we're recording, Trump did decide to designate Antifa as a terrorist organization, which is to say that he put a message out on social media.
alex jones
Okay.
dan friesen
The king has made his decree.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Quote, I'm pleased to inform our many USA patriots that I'm designating Antifa, a sick, dangerous radical left disaster, as a major terrorist organization.
That was all caps after Antifa.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's nice of him.
dan friesen
Yeah.
This just makes me think of all the fun we had with Alex and the Mayak report and how scandalous it was that the government could even acknowledge that some people within the militia movement were domestic terrorists.
That was the bread and butter of this show.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And none of that was sincere.
unidentified
No.
alex jones
Nope.
jordan holmes
Not even a little bit.
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
But at least everybody wasted a lot of their time arguing with it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's crazy to me because I think there's a good faith reason to possibly have humored some of Alex's stuff.
Sure.
But like, I think that because a lot of people weren't paying attention, maybe people took it too seriously.
And it festered into a lot of this.
We see here.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's better to argue about something that's fictional than to deal with the truth.
That's kind of, that's America's epitaph right there.
It's better to argue about something fictional.
dan friesen
And you know, there's another deeply ironic thing, and that is that, like, Alex's whole thing, his whole FEMA camps and like, oh, they're going to lock us up, all us patriots and all this.
That was based on Rex 84, which was a plan to lock up leftists and communist subversives.
So, like, Alex now wants to do Rex 84, which was the plan that he pretended was a target on him.
Anyway, he should go to hell.
He's a real piece of shit.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Yep, yep, yep.
You better believe it.
dan friesen
But one thing you can't take away from him is that he's always right.
alex jones
My North Star is the truth.
What I really believe is what I say.
And that's why I'm right 98% of the time, more than anybody else out there.
That's what I told you was a trans cult that did this.
We had questions.
It looks like there might have been a group piggybacking on it.
I'll get to that later.
Now that we've had time to ferret into it.
There is evidence there was a shooter behind him at about 70 yards.
We'll be getting to that later.
And when the globalists and different groups are in the discords, they can piggyback with their wind-up assassins like crooks in Pennsylvania.
So I go where the facts lead me and where my deep knowledge of all the different facets go.
I'm the guy that taught the public about false flags.
When I first talked about false flags 31 years ago, no one, I mean, 1% might have known about them.
But now people think everything is a pure staged event.
Well, you can also hype up these movements and basically take MK Ultra style control from beta to through the culture, through the drugs, through the media, through the Discord channels, and create basically the same thing, but then have plausible deniability.
Vindicated again.
dan friesen
That's a bunch of word salad, but like, I think that Alex is right about one thing.
And he's also wrong about it at the same time.
But that, like, he taught everyone about false flags.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But it's not teaching.
alex jones
No.
dan friesen
He exploited the idea that things could be a false flag.
Right.
And then made everyone think that everything was a false flag until proven otherwise.
And now he's snakebitten.
He has cultivated an audience that's like, well, everything's fucking fake.
Yeah.
And he doesn't want that mentality applied to things that he wants to be real.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
He doesn't want this Charlie Kirk assassination to be viewed through the same prism that he would treat something like Sandy Hook or the Boston bombing because that gets in the way.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Now it's not helpful.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
No, it is interesting because what he's taught some people is how to use a tool to get money.
Right.
And other people, he's taught how to turn anything that they're afraid of or don't want into a fictional story.
dan friesen
Right.
And the double side of that is he's taught some people how to make money with this tool.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he's taught other people to accept this as explanation or a useful way to look at the world.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So these people can make money off of it.
jordan holmes
He's created a customer base.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
He built a product and then now everybody uses the product and a lot of other people make the product better than him.
And he's like, well, but I was the one who built it.
That's it.
dan friesen
He is.
jordan holmes
Capitalism, man.
dan friesen
Yeah.
He's the victim of his own shit.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
He created something that is a shortcut and is empty calories, basically.
And someone's come along with a better version.
That's exactly right.
Yep.
And you should understand that.
jordan holmes
I mean, It seems like if you're super into capitalism, the one thing you should understand is when you're getting a capitalism done to you and when you're doing a capitalism, right?
dan friesen
Yeah, and I don't know what amount of like sort of rear guard action Alex is going to be able to do to retain any kind of relevance.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Shit moves on.
We all die.
That's life, man.
dan friesen
Yep.
And when you die, people will try to make a lot of money off you by wearing your skin and doing college tours.
unidentified
Yep.
Yep.
jordan holmes
That's great.
dan friesen
Good stuff.
Oh, God.
It's going to be 2016 all over again with these shitheads trying to steal Charlie's thunder.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
We're still going to keep going.
dan friesen
Free speech tours.
jordan holmes
Still going to keep going.
dan friesen
And then there's going to be a whole new wave of people being canceled and having specials called triggered and stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Great.
jordan holmes
I would really, I tire of people saying, well, how about let's run it back?
Because I feel like that's my, that's what we're getting a lot.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Getting a lot of that.
dan friesen
Let's run it back is fun for a nostalgia, like, let's get the dream team back together and have them shoot some hoops for a commercial.
jordan holmes
Michael and Scotty, get them all up there.
Maybe even Larry Bird.
Fuck it.
dan friesen
Charles Barkley's like, can I play?
jordan holmes
Absolutely not.
dan friesen
We all have a great time.
This isn't what we want to run back.
jordan holmes
This is no good.
dan friesen
Sucks shit.
Nope.
So we got one last clip here, and it's Alex just saying that, you know, like, hey, if there's any racist violence, it's fake.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anything that happens that's inconvenient for me is going to be fake.
alex jones
Great.
And then Destiny says, oh, what if he gets killed?
Well, somebody might kill him and blame us.
That's what we're talking about here is the incoming false flags that are the final ingredient.
Remember, I told you all this when Trump got back in.
They pre-programmed it.
Now they're going to engage in terror attacks on traditionally black colleges, black churches.
That's what they've already programmed, and illegal alien demonstrations and say it was done for Charlie Kirk.
And now they've evacuated the black colleges saying, oh, Charlie Kirk's a white supremacist.
Not true.
The white supremacists called and made threats and bomb threats because of Charlie Kirk.
So when there's an attack, everybody's pre-programmed.
Oh, the school told us that Charlie Kirk supporters were coming to kill us.
See how the frame job is already done.
Just like they put out all these fake quotes.
Notice, never video.
Just an image of Charlie saying black women are stupid and should never be able to have a job.
Said nothing even 1% close.
unidentified
Doesn't matter.
alex jones
I mean, you know, the NGOs, you know, anti-fur of the leftists called in the death threats and bomb threats at the black colleges and it's happening at the churches.
And then they say, we got to evacuate.
The whites are coming to kill us.
Ahead of the attacks.
It's just that simple.
dan friesen
It's that simple.
So there's an element of this that I think is really weird that is like, I feel like Alex is taking agency away from racists.
You know, like, I think like if I were someone who is a big old racist and maybe I had some violent tendencies, I would see Charlie Kirk and I'd be like, there's a racist.
alex jones
Yep.
dan friesen
And I might be mad that someone killed him.
I think that there's a chance that I would want to commit some kind of violent act and retribution.
jordan holmes
It's generally how it works.
dan friesen
Alex is taking away their ability to do that.
It's just not even a possibility that some racist would be like, hey, they killed a big racist.
I'm mad now.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Which is one of those things where it is like on, it's so many, it's the two levels of conversation that are being had, right?
There's the, this is how you make money.
And then there's the believe this shit and give us money, kind of that.
In the same way, there's this like, I'm running cover for you so you can do this stuff.
But unfortunately, because of the way we talk to each other, you only hear people don't do this stuff.
You know, like if I explain to you clearly why saying that you won't do it is allowing you to do it, then I would also have to explain all the other shit that I don't expect.
dan friesen
It gets in the way of me being able to get this message across to the real people that it's for, which is the people who are going to continue giving me money who might stop if they recognize that like a big part of what I'm doing is running cover for someone to go attack a black church or something.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
It's a big tent of people I'm lying to.
None of whom understand each other and all of whom are participating in the own lie that they believe in.
dan friesen
Yeah.
This messaging is laser focused on people who would never do anything like that, but would start to maybe question what they're mixed up in and what their ideology is really about if they, you know, saw things like Patriot Front and Nazis marching saying, do our own.
jordan holmes
Are we the good guys if we have shock troops who murder people indiscriminately just because they belong to some group that's kind of like somebody?
dan friesen
Don't worry about it.
It's fake.
jordan holmes
There we go.
That makes way more sense.
So we are the good guys.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
We're so good that people have to pretend to be us and do bad things in order to make you think that you're bad.
They're making you question yourself by playing dress up.
jordan holmes
You know what?
It would require serious, motivated reasoning to believe any of that, which is great for me because I have all of that motivation.
I believe it all, baby.
dan friesen
I mean, if you can sell people this like blue drink, then I think that you can probably go ahead and get people to believe everything's fake.
jordan holmes
Ain't that the truth?
dan friesen
And then complain about how everyone thinks that everything's fake.
Bunch of assholes.
jordan holmes
Oh, burn it.
dan friesen
Anyway, this is a little bit of a shorter episode, but I got family in town.
jordan holmes
It's family.
It's family stuff.
dan friesen
You know, I got time to spend with family.
And we'll be back next week with.
You want some longer bullshit?
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm sure we'll have some more long bullshit.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
But one last thing.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
We do have some.
So for everybody, we have not yet sold out the December 18th show, so there are still tickets.
dan friesen
So if you were holding back out of courtesy to allow other people to snatch some tickets up, you can, if you want to come to both, open season.
jordan holmes
Yep, and it will sell out.
So just do it whenever you got time.
dan friesen
There'll be a link in the description.
You bet.
So yeah.
Anyway, we'll be back with something so fun.
jordan holmes
A different universe.
We'll be building a time portal.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And we'll be traveling to a different section of the world.
dan friesen
That's what I'm going to do.
I'm going to sit down and I'm going to be like, let's find something fun.
I think that's a great idea.
I will fail.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But we'll be back.
Until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
Indeed, we do at ZollageFight.com.
unidentified
Yep.
We'll be back.
dan friesen
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I am the Mysterious Professor.
And now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your work.
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