In this installment, Dan and Jordan get to enjoy watching Alex continue to try to profit from his friend's death, and discuss his unrealistic goal of getting the Supreme Court to save his business. Tickets now available for our December 18 show in Portland
So we'll check in on how all these dynamics are playing out.
But first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new walks.
Ooh, that's a great idea.
So first, Jack would like to shout out to Solitary Knight, an awesome LGBTQ positive Twitch, and Facebook streamer who plays odd and uncommon and goofy video games.
But last we left off, Charlie Kirk had been shot and killed at a speaking event he was holding at the campus of Utah Valley University.
Alex had exploitatively aired the video of the shooting on a loop and had vowed to do his own college tour in Charlie's honor mere hours after it had come out that he had died.
No one had any information about the shooter at that point, but it was reported confidently that this was a leftist assassin from Antifa and that this shooting was part of the Podesta Revolutionary Plan that was crafted in 2020, but was put on the shelf for four years because Trump lost that election, so there was no need for revolution.
It was all a disgusting display, but nothing too surprising to see from Alex's show.
When we recorded our last episode, we didn't know anything about who the shooter could be either, and I tried to be pretty clear about how it was unwise to jump to any conclusions.
The person could easily have been someone motivated by left-leaning political ideology who hated Charlie, but Charlie had a lot of enemies on the far right as well.
Someone from that world could have killed him, or the killer could have even been apolitical in their motivation.
I push back on Alex's assertions that it was a leftist shooter, not because I know that to be incorrect, but because I know that Alex is making that accusation baselessly.
And it's the kind of response that he embodies does nobody any good and can only cause trouble.
Now that we're here and a little more information is known about the shooting, details are still a bit sketchy.
A 22-year-old man named Tyler Robinson has been arrested for the shooting, having allegedly confessed to his dad, who then was involved in helping turn him into authorities.
It appears that Robinson's father was torn about what he should do once he figured out that his son was the one who had committed the murder, so he consulted with his church leader.
Should he turn in his son to face a possible death sentence or stay silent about his son's guilt in order to save his life?
It was a moral dilemma that the dad faced, and it turns out that the church does not have a no-snitching policy.
was gonna say I feel like just by doing that you have already decided which one you're gonna do you know yeah I think you're well I you know it's interesting because I do think if you were thrust into that situation it might be good to seek counsel of some kind I I agree.
But I think if you're going to talk to somebody like a priest, you're hoping that they'll take the responsibility off your shoulders.
So law enforcement has identified Robinson and also released information about messages that he'd allegedly written on the bullet casings.
In the case of the assassination of the United Healthcare CEO with Luigi Mangione, there were messages inscribed on the bullet saying, delay, deny, and depose.
The meaning of these words were clear as they described the strategy that insurance companies use to avoid having to pay for people's medical care.
Without endorsing anything that he did, these words being put on the bullets represents a coherent political message that could explain the killing.
In this case, the messages that were on the bullets were essentially shit posts, and they don't really point to any definite ideology.
One said, quote, hey, fascist catch, then arrows indicating up, right, down, down, down.
This is uh, you know, there's an instinct to say that this is an indication of like some anti-fascist tendencies on the part of the shooter, but this is just a reference to the video game Helldivers 2.
Sure, the messages that were inscribed on the bullets don't point to a coherent motive, but point to a familiarity with being too online.
These were jokes that have an irony to them, and anybody taking them literally or at face value is not on the right track with this.
And, you know, it's you can't, you can't, um, you can't look at this without sort of decoding it through online culture.
No, I mean, anytime back in the past, and I'm talking about the past before the QAnon, anytime something from 4chan leaked out, it was like, guys, don't get it.
So while it doesn't indicate whether he was on the left or the right politically, this sends a clear message that the shooter is not a sincere communicator and that he was likely a person who came of age surrounded by shitty internet irony.
As it stands, I still don't know enough to have strong feelings about the motive of the crime.
I think a lot of people want to jump to conclusions that he's a leftist or that he's a Nick Fuentes fan.
And while all of these things are possible, I don't see anything concrete about it as of the time that we're recording.
There's a there's a shifting of like uh the understanding of motivations that we need to absolutely we need to take into account political ideology is far more fractured.
Multiple witnesses have told police they've done interviews that they saw people come clan there and talk about one thing and they did and the people asking the questions kept looking back at the roof.
Then they started celebrating.
This was organized.
There are people online in the town saying he's dead tomorrow.
This is sick.
This is a real cult that believes it owns our children.
It's all financed by the globalists.
And we have hours of celebration on the Internet under different hashtags we'll be giving you.
Hundreds and hundreds of people, mainly school teachers and lawyers and doctors saying, good, now kill Trump.
So Alex is pitching a story here that involves people debating Charlie Kirk being in on the murder, which seems wildly unlikely.
I'm not sure exactly what the selection process is for the guest debaters at these events, but if more than one of the people who got through in the time they had before the shooting were conspirators, that indicates really bad event management.
Also, it doesn't seem to benefit anyone to have conspirators be involved in debating Kirk while the murderer gets his shot ready.
Kirk was going to be sitting in the same spot arguing regardless of who picked up the mic to debate him.
If what Alex is saying is correct and the people were constantly looking toward the roof where the shooter was, that would only hurt the conspiracy's chance of being successful.
It feels like anyone who were actually planning something like this wouldn't plant people to debate Kirk because there's no upside and a bunch of risks.
I'm thrilled that Alex is upset about people posting distasteful stuff on social media, but it's just hard to take his angle on this seriously.
I thought free speech was back.
And as far as the Constitution is concerned, there's nothing illegal about saying that you're glad someone's dead and that you hope someone else gets killed.
It might be unhealthy for public discourse to be at a point where that kind of thing is as normal as it is, but that's not the conversation Alex is having.
And if it were, then we might find some agreement that, like, yeah, it sucks that this is the way people act now.
I'm tired because I lived through the time where they got to yell about it from one side, and now I'm living through the time where they're trying to yell about it from the other side.
And incidentally, Pete Hankseth, Trump's Secretary of Defense, or maybe war now, I'm not sure, has said that people will be fired if they have been found to have tweeted negative things about Kirk in the wake of his death.
And that's not just something that's happening at the Pentagon.
NPR reported on 33 cases of people who were fired because they posted something that was seen as celebrating Kirk's death on social media.
I don't see firing people for making these kinds of posts as some kind of horrible violation of free speech rights, but Alex definitely should.
He's always championed people who faced social consequences for doing something racist.
And he's always been able to pretend that he's only doing that out of concern for the precedent that it would set about chilling free speech.
I only know who Count Dankula is because Alex had him on a bunch because he lost his job after posting a video of him teaching his dog to do a Nazi salute.
If Alex took any of the shit he said seriously, he would need to be defending these people who are getting fired for tweeting jokes about Kirk.
And the fact that he's not should make it pretty clear that in the past, he wasn't interested in defending free speech.
He just wanted to help create a world where racists don't have to fear any consequences for their racism.
It reminds me of something Douglas Adams said about the serious cybernetics corporation or something, where it's like the superficial design flaws are so frustrating, they mask the fundamental design flaws, which was like, that feels like what was going.
We were so focused on the superficial shit, we haven't been able to really process how fundamentally bullshit this has always been.
If Alex said this was the Rosa Brooks plan or the Nils-Gilman plan, it wouldn't evoke all the scary associations of child trafficking at Comet Ping Pong.
I do appreciate the echoes of how stupid things can be that being from another bullshit conspiracy that didn't make any sense from the past just makes you like in a voting reality show game where like if you get voted out on the first day, everybody's like, well, we're voting you out again.
Like you're just socially, it's okay for us to pick on you.
It's like how Soros can be slotted into like literally every conspiracy because the audience has a da-da feeling about discovering that he's behind something.
I don't know what kind of trans news networks Alex is talking about, but if he was able to find all this chatter that illustrates pre-planning of the shooting, then two things have to be true.
One, we should be seeing tons and tons of arrests of people involved in the conspiracy by this point.
And two, Charlie Kirk's security team should have flagged this in advance.
This person is a guy named Hunter Kozak who's since publicly discussed his experience.
I know that Alex could just casually accuse random people of being involved in murder plots and there aren't any consequences, but that doesn't mean that I'm going to stop pointing out how horrible and dangerous this behavior is.
And sure, if people were chanting kill Charlie Kirk at his event, that's not good.
But it's also ridiculous to think that that would be connected to any actual murder planning.
I don't mean to sound callous or anything, but in pro wrestling, there's a famous story that The Rock, he ended up turning heel because he was trying to play a good guy and the crowd hated him.
They would chant Die, Rocky, Die, when he came out, and the bosses realized that the audience wasn't connecting with The Rock as a hero, but they might respond to him as a villain.
Pro wrestling isn't about good conquering evil or evil conquering good even.
It's about slotting people into good and evil characters to maximize the audience engagement and investment in them to tell quality stories and sell merch.
The media ecosystem that Charlie Kirk thrived in operates pretty similarly.
He's a good guy to the folks on his side, but he really only occupies that space because he's a villain to the other side.
His fans hate the left and he basks in the negative attention that he gets from the left in order to play up the image that he's a villain to them, which makes him a hero to his side.
What I'm saying is that if I were Charlie, I would love hearing kill Charlie Kirk chanted at one of my rallies.
The fact that these people who his audience hates would hate Charlie so much validates the idea that he's an important hero for them.
And without those optics, this whole brand falls apart pretty quick.
I mean, like, how much can you do a prove-me-wrong debate if the people who you want to yell at you don't show up?
And the people who are coming and chanting kill Charlie Kirk are, I mean, I'm not saying that they like Charlie, but there is an element of it that they want to engage as the voice that's chanting them.
Well, I mean, there's, and there's just a certain part of it.
You know, when you say love to hate, it's not a pleasure to hate so much as it is like a, well, it's not a coincidence that Tucker Carlson's voice is also so fucking annoying that it gets inside your head.
Well, of course they like him more because you hate him more.
I wasn't going to be here today because I have multiple missions that are critical to the Republic.
So I'm leaving a little bit later.
I'll leave it at that.
But I will be doing work from the road and I will be in multiple locations on the East and West Coast in the next three days.
I'll just leave it at that.
But things are coming to a head, and it has been recognized by folks in the administration that we have the best analysis of what's going on and what's going to happen next and how to counter them.
So I will be consulting with different organizations and groups in the next three days.
So I will not be phishing when you don't see me here.
So Martin landed on his feet and he took a role as the pardon attorney for the Department of Justice, spearheading what Alex likes to call the weaponization task force that's supposedly investigating DOJ weaponization against people who were too loyal to Trump.
So what's going on here is essentially that Alex is desperately trying to beg for the Supreme Court to overturn his.
And so he's going to lobby, basically, to Ed Martin and whoever will listen to him in D.C. Great.
I have no idea why he's going to the West Coast, though.
My gut was going to be like he's going to go be on a podcast, but it feels like all the big podcasts he would be on are hosted by people who followed Rogan to Austin.
Yeah, but I think that anybody who's going to be in the conversation to put up that kind of money to buy this would recognize how dull an investment it is.
Anybody else could just start their own supplement labeling company.
Okay, now this is news that you don't keep up with.
But my friend, Kawhi Leonard, all right, he was signed to the Clippers, and they just found out that he got a no-show endorsement deal from just some random company for $25 million outside of the pay package that he had from the Clippers.
But this company does it exist?
Probably not.
So it was used as a way to give him a bonus because the NBA has a hard salary cap.
I mean, just the more this happens, the more I feel like we're inching closer and closer to the weirdest possible future where Chase owns all of InfoWars because he's accidentally signed so many papers that they just default go back to him.
And then he's like, well, if I own it, I might as well do it.
He's saying that the left is super scary and planning all these crimes and unrest, which Trump is going to have to put down with the military.
Because Trump knows that this is right around the corner, he's starting to use the military for domestic policing so citizens get used to the idea of military police.
That's fun and all, but this is exactly what Alex has always said the globalists do.
I can't count the number of times he's used the analogy of a frog in a pot of water and how if the heat goes up gradually, you don't notice.
Humans have a normalcy bias.
These are the things that he talks about all the time.
Alex is describing Trump using psychological tricks that he's been very clear or tyrannical strategy to ease the population into slavery, and he's in favor of it.
Other talk show hosts could probably get away with pretending to be ignorant of these dynamics, but this is a cornerstone of Alex's worldview.
So you really have to be delusional to not get that he understands what he's doing.
The difference is just that Alex supports this police state in the same way that he would support the police state in the 50s and 60s that tried to put down the civil rights movement.
When there's a world order that's trending towards liberalism, the state is the greatest evil imaginable.
But when the powers that be start prioritizing inequality, that calculation changes.
It can change because he was never against tyranny or state oppression to begin with.
He just wanted it not to threaten him and groups he feels like he's a part of.
Through his formative years, Alex's dad was a John Birch society idiot, so he was raised with a lot of those influences.
And then when he was becoming an adult, the militia movement of the 90s was in full swing.
Ruby Ridge and Waco happened, which solidified an impression that the state was targeting white Christian separatists, which was topped off by the OKC bombing, a clear false flag meant to convince everyone that white Christian separatists were a legitimate threat.
And Alex has lived in that mode for his whole life.
Everything is in conversation with this feeling.
Bush did 9-11 in order to start a war and demonize foreign terrorists, but the end goal was really using the expanded powers they gained in order to fight those terrorists against white Christian separatists.
All of the false flag mass shootings that have been done to erode the Second Amendment, all of that is just an attack on white Christian separatists because they love their guns and might need them to overthrow the country at some point.
Everything that seemed important to Alex on a conceptual level really hasn't been important at all.
And it's plain to see all that stuff slipping away now.
Conspiracy and false flag accusations are a tool, and Alex's recent actions help illustrate how this is really all it's ever been.
The power structure is now clearly on the side of white Christian separatists.
So instead of using conspiracies and accusations of false flags to attack the power structure, Alex is using them to bolster the power structure.
Alex is saying that Trump is using federal troops as police in order to acclimate the population to the site of military on the streets.
And the justification is that he needs to do that because the left is planning all these horrible attacks that need to be stopped.
So from that, we can say that it's possible for an incoming threat to necessitate a president to use the military as domestic police, an act that violates a fundamental part of the Constitution for Alex.
There is an example case where that is appropriate.
If that's true, then it's pretty simple to say that Bush should have been able to use military as police if he felt that terrorists posed a big enough imminent threat.
Obama should have been able to use the military as police if he thought that domestic extremists posed a big enough threat.
If it's possible that a potential future threat justifies despotism, then the only variable that matters is what the president considers a future threat.
And that can be an acceptable argument for someone to have.
I would expect that a lot of the right wing during Bush's presidency would argue that sometimes protecting against extreme threats requires curtailing rights.
I mean, if you believe anything that you've ever said, then the moment you say, like, oh, Trump did this because of a threat he sees coming, then you have to then make the next step, which is, oh, well, Trump is the creator of this threat.
He's creating the threat in order to do, that's your whole life.
Yeah, yeah, because the general idea behind belief systems is it's very helpful to kind of predict later on what somebody's going to do in given situations.
You know, for the most part, belief systems are just social clubs.
They're just a place to get around and to be with people.
And you say similar stuff to each other, so you create that bond, right?
But then you choose that belief system because when you need to do something about it, that's when you go, oh, I rely on the Bible.
I would do this blank thing, but I'm going to do what the Bible says.
And like, when you make a belief system that's based around some kind of virtue and shit, it's like, okay, I'm great because I'm not killing someone right now.
So on the day of the shooting, Elizabeth Warren posted that she was praying for Charlie and said, quote, political violence has no place in our country.
It's never okay.
However, right-wing dipshits, like the hosts on Fox News, immediately started running with the narrative that Democratic rhetoric was to blame for the shooting because all the Dems are so violent with their speech.
Fox News's spin on the story created an opportunity to trap Warren in a situation where no matter what she says, it plays into Fox's narrative.
If she responds like this, they can say that she refuses to take responsibility for the violent rhetoric of the left.
If she's conciliatory and says that both sides are heated, they can say that she admitted that the left is too violent.
This is a game.
And even when someone like Elizabeth Warren goes out of her way to be polite and respectful, it doesn't matter.
People are shitheads who are just going to lie about you.
As for the prayer in Congress thing, Alex is lying about that.
The House observed a moment of silence in Charlie's honor that was respected by even the evil Democrats.
After the moment of silence ended, Republican Representative Lauren Bobert protested that, quote, silent prayers get silent results and demanded that the House let a verbal prayer be said.
Saying an impromptu verbal prayer isn't allowed by House rules, so she was essentially asking for special privileges and that's what caused the problem.
She was demanding things that they can't allow her to do.
Naturally, this was a bit humiliating for Bobert since he represents Colorado in the House.
So fellow Republican and former Turning Point USA employee Ana Paulina Luna came to her defense saying, quote, you all caused this.
Order broke down a little bit, and Speaker Mike Johnson struggled to get the House back on track despite doing a lot of shushing and gavel work.
But finally, they did come back into the center.
This is, like the Fox News coverage with Elizabeth Warren, a trap.
Lauren Boebert is a U.S. representative, so she should know the rules and be aware that she can't just say a verbal prayer on the House floor whenever she wants.
But by making that demand and having the other members of the House grumble and shoot her down, the story is no longer that Bobert made an inappropriate request.
It's that the Democrats yelled over Charlie Kirk's moment of silence.
That isn't true.
And no matter how anyone reacted in this situation, the babies get their way.
Yep.
And it's important to understand how much of their strategy is based on that.
Like, this doesn't seem like anybody is really there's it doesn't feel like led no you know I mean I don't know fucking Palpatine dissolved the Senate who fucking knows what's going on now Lord knows what could happen right shit's crazy do you think Lauren Boebert is Jar Jar is she the one who's gonna usher in a never-ending dark side empire probably so yeah I think that means it's uh she's Jar Jar okay yeah so
And I didn't announce this through bravado or to act tough.
I publicly said I don't do a ton of public speaking engagements because I know I can do more digitally.
And his work was important.
It had to be done at the colleges.
And I admired him for his courage and said that.
I said, he's doing that job.
He's got that lane.
If he wasn't doing it, I'd be doing it.
They won't even let me on the colleges.
They riot so bad.
We tried.
But I now have a responsibility and so do all of you to peacefully speak at city councils, county commissions, school boards, colleges.
I don't care if it's 100 people or 1,000.
All of you have to go out and speak out on the street corners, at church, everywhere.
Because this is an attempt at intimidation and to shut down our access to speech and a chilling effect.
So I'm getting all these calls.
When are you doing it?
Where are you going?
I've got to get it organized.
I've got to talk to different groups that sponsor it.
People can reach out to me that do this.
I will go with turning point.
And I'm going to go out there.
And I'm not going to wear a bulletproof vest.
I'm going to do a nationwide tour because that's what this is about.
It's not about sticking your head in the tiger's mouth just to act tough.
We don't have a choice.
And we have to lead by example here.
Now, I'll tell you this.
If I walk out somewhere and there's 3,000 people and the police haven't stuck people on the roofs, you know there's a stand down by their managers that told them not to.
And if I walk out and I see nobody on the roofs, well, then I'm going to come out and point that out and be looking for it.
And I'll be like, there's a shooter.
There's a shooter.
All right.
It was a setup.
Seriously.
That's what it's because I'll be waiting.
I'll be watching when I'm speaking.
Oh, there's the shooter right there.
All right.
Get yourself a good shot there, big man.
the time I'm gonna come out of the bat cave into the third dimension I come out when they got lockdowns going they're shutting down the parks and the bridges and the restaurants I come out when I'm at January 6th trying to stop people going to the building I come out when I'm needed at key points and I'm coming out of the cave you can kind of see the scripting of what Alex wants to do Here, he's making it a little too obvious that he wants to go out and pretend that someone is trying to shoot at him.
I mean, one of the simple things to recognize about saying something like, I'll go do this thing because I'm better than him and I won't get shot implies that it's his fault.
You know, it implies that if Charlie Kirk weren't Charlie Kirk and were instead Alex Jones, somehow this never would have happened.
So when Alex is talking about the times that he comes out of the cave, he wants the image to be that when shit gets serious, he takes to the streets.
But the reality is a little bit different.
When easy attention is available, Alex is willing to leave the studio.
That's all this is.
When the COVID restrictions are starting, Alex could make a video being a huge rebel by going to Barton Swing Springs for a swim.
He could pretend to be a revolutionary by yelling at an underpaid employee somewhere who was wearing a mask.
It was an attention and publicity feeding frenzy because people were scared and desperate for anyone who was projecting confidence.
When Alex gets more engaged with the world outside his studio, it's either because he's desperate or because he sees a huge opportunity to put in minimal effort and gain big amounts of attention.
Right now, it's probably both.
Yeah.
And yeah, who cares if you're exploiting your dead friend to do it?
It is so strange because I understand why people think the way they do.
I understand why they do the things that they do.
But I don't understand how you could fire somebody for being like, hey, man, this guy sucks and not also understand that Alex is saying far worse things about him through what he's saying.
You know what I mean?
Like, I understand it's not explicitly Charlie Kirk sucks, but around this.
Yeah, I think that there's a, you know, there's a debatable, like, better or worse hierarchy to, I think it's great he's dead and I'm going to profit off his death.
But I'm saying if I'm looking at the two of them, I'm going, one of those is a person getting out some stuff and the other one is a person who's going to destroy human society.
It is interesting to think that maybe this whole conservative ecosphere is congealed around the only people who could possibly behave the way that they do.
So if I were Alex, I'd be fucking embarrassed by this.
For one thing, he said that Grok had confirmed this news, which is really, really sad.
But more importantly, we do this every time there's a tragedy that Alex can exploit.
There's always some time stamp that mysteriously shows someone reporting on a thing before it happened.
Some idiot will post something like this on social media every time something happens, and Alex will report it as fact each time, and he's always wrong.
AI bots were wrong about so much in the wake of the shooting, and Grok was even telling people that the video of Kirk being shot was fake and that he was okay for a while.
Those tools aren't meant to determine truth.
They just scrape information from places that the person running them tells them to get it from.
If Elon Musk is feeding his robot all the dumb shit people post on Twitter and who knows what other disreputable message boards, it's going to just regurgitate that information.
It's not confirmatory.
It doesn't have that value.
And the fact that Alex is saying Grok confirmed this, it just shows how much he's given up.
I think a lot of these people have the conception of AI in a like more imagery framework, right?
So they view the internet.
Imagine the internet is a big landscape, right?
Then you have the AI, which is like a person, like a concierge.
But what it really is, is just all of the internet squished into a square, and you're trying to find the even smaller part from the square, and that doesn't help you.
You know, like it's making it conversational because you don't want to read multiple things.
Right.
And great.
That's that you found a shortcut for that, but it's inconsistent and you're going to get bad results.
The irony is that Alex's view of what this stuff is is just it's the same as the AI con people who are trying to treat it like it's a god of some sort.
I mean, I, I, you know, I was scrolling through the list of recipients and, you know, like General Wesley Clark got one back in the Clinton administration.
I didn't even talk about our case being at the Supreme Court, it being all over the news yesterday, because this Russia escalation with the drones looks like a false flag was so big when this happened.
But even mainstream media goes, wow, Jones was found guilty by judges.
Looks like it wasn't fair.
Oh, my God.
Looks like the Supreme Court's going to take it.
Didn't even get to that because we're busy covering the other big issues for everybody else out there.
But remember, we need your prayers.
We need your support.
And we need you to financially go to the AlexanderStore.com because I am, again, right on the edge of the red.
I've got seven lawyers, top ones suing the hell out of the Democrats, the law firms, deposing them, finding all the stuff they did.
It's been referred to the Justice Department.
Justice Department is investigating it.
I can tell you that.
And I'm going to stop right there.
That's why I'm going to be gone the next few days.
It's part of my mission I'm on.
But I'll be on air, you know, popping in.
The point is, I got swatted last night.
I don't make a big deal about it.
It's happened so many times.
They just come by and make sure everything's okay.
But I'm obviously a target just like Kirk.
Just understand, we're doing this because, not because we hate the globalists, but because we love America and our families.
We don't fight because we hate the enemy.
We fight because we love what we're defending.
That said, this isn't a game.
You've heard me predict they're gearing up for the Podesta plan to launch mass civil unrest and political assassinations.
Next, they're going to hit their own people in a false flag.
If it wasn't a First Amendment issue, then it's not now.
Right.
And as much as cynical as I can be about these courts, I still think just the fact that they didn't hear it before means there's probably not traction now.