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Sept. 12, 2025 - Knowledge Fight
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#1076: September 10, 2025

In this installment, Dan and Jordan witness Alex do as bad a job as is possible covering a very dark day in the Infowar.  (Content warnings all around).

Participants
Main voices
a
alex jones
15:47
d
dan friesen
45:50
h
harrison smith
06:16
j
jordan holmes
24:23
Appearances
c
charlie kirk
01:31
Clips
k
karoline leavitt
00:08
s
stewart rhodes
00:28
Callers
andy in kansas
00:05
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
Dan and Jordan, I am sweating.
Knowledge party.com.
It's time to pray.
unidentified
I have great respect for knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys.
Shang me or the bad guys.
Knowledge and fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
Need money.
Andy and Panzer.
Andy and Stop.
unidentified
Andy and Panzer.
alex jones
Andy in Pansh.
Andy.
It's time to pray.
Andy and Cans was sure on the air place for a moment.
andy in kansas
Hello, Alex.
I'm a third time color.
unidentified
I love your room.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes.
Like to sit around, worship at the Alder of Celine and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
What'd you bright spot today, buddy?
dan friesen
My bright spot is that last night I was over at uh Angela Lampsberry's place.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
We were watching uh little little John Cena flick.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Watching the uh the heads of state.
jordan holmes
One of the greats.
dan friesen
Yep.
And uh ordered culvers for myself for dinner.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And uh did not get a butter burger.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But what I did get is they have a Lucky Charms concrete.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
Okay.
dan friesen
Like a shake, but with uh with uh uh custard.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So fucking good.
jordan holmes
Was it really good?
dan friesen
So good.
jordan holmes
Lucky Charms concrete?
dan friesen
It was so good.
jordan holmes
Did they have mushrooms?
Yeah, mushrooms.
Did they have mushrooms in the porchino?
No, marshmallows.
Yes.
They had the full-on marshmallows.
dan friesen
Oh yes.
Dang.
And they did not skimp on the mix in.
You know what I'm saying?
You know, like sometimes you'll get like a McFlurry or whatever.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
The little tiny top layer, and then you mix it in yourself, and it's like, that's practically just vanilla ice cream.
dan friesen
It was a healthy amount of lucky charms.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And uh so I tipped my cap.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
I was going in with uh the the hope of being surprised.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Uh, and I was.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I loved every second of it.
So good job, culvers.
jordan holmes
I remember that I remember when a culverse came to my small town uh in central Illinois, and it was everybody was fucking buzzing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Can you believe it?
A culverse here?
dan friesen
Right.
They have they have seen us as worthy of uh giving us this slightly upgraded dairy queens.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
I was like, okay, all right.
dan friesen
That Dairy Queen's shit.
Weird culvers is for the classic.
jordan holmes
We're doing it, huh?
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
You know, it's strange because I do I think that it felt the same in Columbia.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I think that when culvers came, people were like pretty excited about the I have I have never seen a quality difference that would suggest excitement would be valuable whatsoever.
dan friesen
No, but there was buzz.
jordan holmes
There was buzz.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
How did they do it?
dan friesen
You can't deny the buzz.
jordan holmes
People in the past were a lot easier to handle, I think.
dan friesen
And now I've got buzz.
Because I there's other cereal concrete they have.
There's like a cinnamon toast crunch one instead of think I gotta get it.
jordan holmes
The cereal sweet.
dan friesen
If Raisin Bran is one of them, I can skip that.
Yeah.
But uh what you gonna do?
So uh what about you?
What's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
Uh my bright spot is Dan.
Sometimes we do live shows.
dan friesen
That is true.
jordan holmes
Have you noticed that uh we do live shows?
dan friesen
We brought one up, but it sold out pretty quick.
And so we didn't bring it back up again.
jordan holmes
Friends, it sold out in six hours.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Which was a little bit surprising.
Because it's not a small play.
jordan holmes
It's it's weird.
There's a lot uh yeah.
Um, but the the positives isn't that we have sold it out.
I think for a lot of people that would be the bright spot.
For us, that's not a bright spot.
It's in oh in a way.
dan friesen
It's inconvenient.
jordan holmes
It's it's frustrating because what if somebody wants a ticket?
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
And well, now it's sold out.
But the good news, the bright spot is what if somebody wants a ticket?
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
There's a new date.
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
We're doing You're just telling me now.
jordan holmes
We've added another date.
Uh we've decided to do Thursday, December 18th as well.
dan friesen
You keep springing these things on me on air.
jordan holmes
No, I know.
I'm really sorry about that.
dan friesen
I okay, I'm okay with this.
jordan holmes
Are you okay with it?
I I mean it was a unilateral decision.
dan friesen
Yeah, we did talk about it.
I'm just pretending to not know.
But yeah, that's uh that'll be fun.
A different show.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Totally totally different.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Same venue.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it won't be we I don't think we we've never even considered doing the same show ever.
dan friesen
No.
I think we did try to do the secret of twenty seventeen one time.
In the beginning of twenty eighteen.
We tried to use the same clips and it felt awful.
Um so yeah, that'll that'll be a lot of fun.
A little bit of extra time in Portland.
Uh so Chuck Polanyak, you're on notice.
jordan holmes
We got another day, motherfucker.
dan friesen
Yeah, you can dodge me for one day, but two not enough.
jordan holmes
Not enough.
Yep.
dan friesen
Um, but because the first one did sell out, I guess it probably feels like if you want to come to both, great.
We'd love that.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Um but if you wanted to come and didn't get a ticket, I would hope that people would give you a little bit of a window.
jordan holmes
I want to try and express the strangeness because I don't think that anybody in any sort of media except us can feel quite the way we do about this.
We're not that big.
We're not at all famous.
There is in no way any way that we should be selling out of place in six hours.
Period.
And yet we do, and because we do, somehow, we're also, again, not famous enough to do any of this stuff, but we're also like, hey guys, don't buy tickets too fast.
What are who are we?
dan friesen
Don't rush in.
jordan holmes
Right?
We're absurd.
We're absurd.
Do your best.
Everybody that wants to get a ticket should get a ticket.
Is what we're trying to say.
dan friesen
That's the point.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yes.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
So uh today we have an episode to go over, Jordan.
We're gonna be talking about some shit.
jordan holmes
Oh no.
dan friesen
We're gonna be talking about September 10th, 2025.
And it's a bad day.
This is uh not not gonna be great.
jordan holmes
Not gonna get it.
dan friesen
We'll get through it.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
But uh first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Oh, what a great idea.
dan friesen
So, first, to the disgraced comedian and rat hole man.
Gatorade shall never be thick enough for restless souls like us.
Love from Captain Haha.
Thank you so much, you're not policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, my daughter just made her high school tennis team, so this shout is uh parentheses excited, Jordan yelled.
unidentified
Tennis!
dan friesen
Thank you so much, you're now polsewonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Teddy.
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Uh next, sorry, Jordan, as the unappointed voice of asexuals, I'm here to report that we don't all watch porn from Special K. Thank you so much, you're now polsewonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, and fair enough.
dan friesen
Fair point.
jordan holmes
Fair point.
dan friesen
Um we got a technocrat in the mixture.
So thank you so much to Clyde the Wide Ride says, get it to all the couples who use knowledge fight as foreplay.
Thank you so much, you're not a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Four stars.
Someone someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
Daddy Sharp.
Bomb bom bom.
Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black action.
unidentified
He's a loser, little little kitty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Yeah, thank you very much.
dan friesen
And a little note to uh all you folks uh getting ready to fuck out there.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
dan friesen
Come back to this episode later.
This ain't the one for you.
jordan holmes
This ain't the one.
This ain't the one that's gonna do it.
dan friesen
No, this is not forgetting in the mood.
jordan holmes
This is a down air.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So obviously there was some big news in the world of right-wing media and propaganda this week, as the head of Turning Point USA, Charlie Kirk was shot and killed at an event he was holding on the campus of Utah Valley University on Wednesday.
An incident like this can be really difficult to address, and this case in particular is even more messy than some other kind of similar events that have happened in the past.
As soon as news broke of the shooting, tons of politicians from both parties came out with statements denouncing political violence and offering condolences.
Simultaneously, lots of people with large social media accounts released some pretty inflammatory responses, with many people mocking Charlie Kirk, and others saying that his shooting was pretext for little literal war against the left.
Sure.
In the broken media space that we all currently live in, all of this messaging blends together, and everything becomes a confusing stew of shit.
In most online spaces, anonymous ship posters have as much or more reach than PhD holding journalists.
So who can keep track of who's saying what?
It's all just being bombarded at you.
Personally, I think everyone who listens to this show knows exactly what I would say about Charlie Kirk as a media figure the day before he was shot, and his getting shot doesn't change anything about how I feel about the toxic bullshit he disseminated.
However, as much as I may have hated everything he stands for, I wouldn't have wished death upon him.
At the same time, now that it has happened, I'm not particularly interested in caring that much about it or scolding anyone for responding however they feel they need to respond.
As of the point of uh we're recording this episode, we don't know who did the shooting or why, so deconstructing what led us to this point is a little premature, and I think that we can deal with more of that as we learn more.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
To be totally clear though, I do think that delighting in someone else's death, even someone who sucks, is not good for you as a person.
And I think people would be wise to avoid doing too much of that.
Beyond that, I don't want to get into a thing where I'm saying that people should take the high road, and I also don't want to engage in people wallowing in mocking death.
Both of these responses feel hollow to me.
People naturally have made a lot of assumptions about who could be behind the shooting, and it seems like folks in the right wing media have decided that it must be a left wing person, possibly Antifa.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
It's possible that the shooter will end up being someone with left leaning politics, but it's also just as likely that that's someone from the far right.
As much as someone like me may have not liked Kirk, the people who were further to the right hated him even more.
Nick Fuentes and the Gripers infiltrated Korks or uh Kirk's organization, and they've tried to unseen him for years, largely because he's not anti Semitic enough for their tastes.
That particular branch of the right wing really hates Kirk, and the idea that someone with those beliefs would kill him, that's not impossible.
On top of that, Kirk has been a huge media figure that's gone against other ends of the far right in recent months, notably being one of the big influencers who said that he was gonna trust his friends in the Trump administration when they told everyone to move on from the Epstein stuff.
He also wasn't opposed to Trump attacking Iran, and has been a solid supporter of Israel throughout the genocide in Gaza, which naturally has made him an enemy of people on the left and right who oppose that.
Ultimately, I can't answer the question of who did it or why they did it, so I don't want to take a ton of time speculating about that here on the show.
I heard about the shooting pretty soon after it happened, and I saw on Twitter that there was a video that was taken from pretty far away, a pretty far away vantage point.
I watched it and it looked like Kirk might have just been hit, and it looked like it might have been survivable.
Then, before I knew it, there was another video from much closer, and I really wish I hadn't seen it.
The first thing I thought when I saw the closer video was that dude is gone.
It was a horrible thing to see, and just I think that seeing death and killing in particular causes a certain amount of emotional trauma to a viewer, and it really struck me how uh uh uh how huge of a psychologically resonant event this has to have been.
I may think Kirk sucks, but he had a ton of fans and people who look up to him within turning point, and they were seeing that person that they admired die in front of a crowd.
Sure, maybe they shouldn't have looked up to him, maybe that was dumb of them, or they chose a bad person to admire, but they did.
And the sight of him being killed has to have hurt so many people in a way that's gonna be really hard to process and predict.
Predict what the outcome of that's gonna be.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
I feel for those people, and the people who didn't like him who may have also accidentally watched something they really shouldn't have on Twitter and i are feeling something about it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
When I say something like that, I can imagine some people saying uh uh getting the impression that all this uh the death and horrible sights, they should be censored from social media, like that's my perspective.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Um, and that my position would mean banning documenting atrocities that are carried out in Gaza or in other parts of the world.
But I want to make a distinction clear.
When people see documentation of human rights violations and war crimes somewhere like Gaza, they're gonna have a certain amount of emotional trauma that comes from that.
However, in that case, they can take that trauma and make it something productive.
They can find like minded people and through community with these people, it's possible to funnel those feelings of trauma into advocacy and action.
It's meant to stop these atrocities and ideally limit them in the future.
That isn't possible with videos like the one of Kirk being shot.
The trauma that this type of video inflicts on you can't be redirected towards something good.
There isn't a real advocacy that can be fueled by the awareness that this trauma brings.
It leads just to pain, and then that pain can be misdirected pretty easily against whoever someone wants to target.
unidentified
For sure.
dan friesen
To sum this up, I hope everyone's taking care of themselves.
It's not normal for public figures to be shot at events And for graphic videos of them dying to be distributed around the world immediately.
So if it that feels weird and fucked up to you, that's okay.
unidentified
It is.
dan friesen
That's a very normal response.
jordan holmes
How it works.
dan friesen
I wrestled with whether or not we should do an episode about this today because there's just so little information available, but we can still cover Alex's response to this breaking news without knowing a bunch of the underlying details of what happened.
We can still view his behavior as as it is.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And and know that he doesn't really know anything.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and we can we can be aware that he doesn't care.
Yeah, while we do.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex's show begins like any other day on InfoWars.
Uh there was news about Russian aggression, this time flying drones over Poland.
So Alex is calling that a false flag where Putin's a victim.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Russia claims that these drones are attacking Ukraine and didn't violate Poland's airspace.
Well, Poland has said that they documented 19 incursions into their airspace and that quote, it simply defies imagination, it could be accidental.
Sure.
It seems like a lot of experts believe there wasn't any intent on Russia's part to attack Poland, but there was a desire to test boundaries.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
This kind of thing doesn't mean the end of the world is upon us, but it's a bad sign.
Anyway, it's an issue involving Russia, so Alex believes Putin's the good guy in the whole situation, which is that's not a surprise.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's not really all that interesting.
jordan holmes
I like the idea of thinking you're the good guy who's like, hey, here's how you know I'm the good guy.
I'm sending in a bunch of stuff to test your defenses when you're not paying attention.
You know, right?
Like the good guy does.
dan friesen
See if you'll get your NATO buddies involved.
jordan holmes
Here's what I'm gonna do.
I'm gonna annoy you until I test whether or not you're going to start some shit, and then maybe I'll take your stuff.
Like the good guy.
dan friesen
It's it's really what a hero does.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So about halfway through the show, Alex leaves.
jordan holmes
Right.
And he just Oh, what a day for him to leave halfway through the show.
I bet he's gonna come back.
Dan, I bet he's gonna come back.
dan friesen
Maybe not.
alex jones
Harrison Smith is loaded from bear.
He's got the latest coming in right now on the Russia situation, and I cannot stress to you.
Enough is so insane.
My dad's doing great.
I'm about to go get him out of rehab, right now.
So thanks for your prayers on that.
Whatever you do, share the live feeds at InfoWars.com forward slash show.
And on video.
And Relox shows on X. And follow us at AJN Live on X. We'll be right back.
Staying with us, Paul Rears.
dan friesen
Today's the best day of my life.
God, I know when to get my dad.
jordan holmes
I can't tell you exactly I can tell you exactly how it feels to be having such a great day that suddenly turns horrible immediately.
dan friesen
Just a semi-truck comes out of nowhere to Bonezu.
jordan holmes
There we go.
Okay, here we are.
dan friesen
So Alex leaves to well, I don't he actually doesn't end up leaving for a little bit.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
He intends to leave.
And Harrison Smith takes over uh the show.
And as he's trying to minimize this news about Russia sending drones.
jordan holmes
No big deal.
dan friesen
Yeah, they're kind of like dumb drones.
jordan holmes
Eh, what are the lazy drones?
dan friesen
Yeah, uh Harrison gets the news.
jordan holmes
Uh-oh.
harrison smith
Uh but what they are is very cheap sort of distraction drones.
It's a cheap long-range drone, which Ukraine intelligence says is made of materials like plywood and foam and assembled at Russia's vast Yellow Booga uh facility.
Yellow boogie can be used as a decoy, drawing the attention of air defenses away from much pricier Shaheads.
Which often carry powerful warheads.
However, analysts say that since its introduction, other versions of the Garbera with light warheads or reconnaissance equipment have emerged.
So for the most part, these are just sort of huge uh you know model airplanes, like Balsa wood airplanes that they send out in a first wave or send out along with the actual armed expensive fancy attack drones uh as a way to you know confuse air defenses.
Because they can shoot these sort of useless drones out of the sky and it doesn't cost them anything, and it allows the you know actual payloads to be delivered.
Poland has asked NATO to invoke Article 4.
Officially at this point, Warsaw wants consultations with block members after an alleged violation of its airspace by drones, it identified as Russian.
Whoa, what?
Charlie Kirk just got shot.
jordan holmes
Fuck.
harrison smith
Sorry, the crew just came in my ear and said that Charlie Kirk just got shot on video.
dan friesen
So there's a there's a naturally a disbelief of like what?
What do you what are you saying?
I'm in the middle of talking about these drones.
jordan holmes
What a day.
dan friesen
Right.
He had no idea this is, you know, what he much like on January 6th.
Except on January 6th, he probably kind of had an idea.
jordan holmes
Completely different.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Slightly different circumstances.
dan friesen
Harrison is once again thrust into the position of being on air during something huge.
Poor guy.
jordan holmes
I bet when he was a baby, like he was briefly uh like carried on screen as the Twin Towers fell.
Like he's just always there.
He's somehow always on TV whenever a disaster happens.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's the forest gump of oh shit.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
So uh Harrison is being alerted that there's video.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
Um that's probably no good.
dan friesen
But it's still at this point, this is still the video that's far away and isn't all that graphic.
harrison smith
Oh my god.
Okay, so we're just getting this news.
It looks like Charlie Kirk was doing one of his debates that he does at college campuses, and the video that we were just seeing for our radio listeners was shot from a rooftop overhead.
There's a huge crowd.
You see Charlie Kirk.
Uh can we can we play it again, guys?
So let's just keep that on a loop.
Um because it's not very it's not graphic, but you can see him sort of jerk and twist uh and you see everybody running away after the shots were fired.
Oh my god, I hope he's okay.
So we don't know if he's alive or dead.
We don't know how serious the damage is.
dan friesen
This is a really tough situation to be in, obviously.
And I think that um, you know, I'm not gonna say uh tip tip my hat to Harrison or anything.
Sure.
But like at least there is a clear uh feeling of of like, well, there's this is news.
jordan holmes
Shit just got actual real.
We're not doing info wars bullshit right now, guys.
I think something's real.
dan friesen
I think he's trying.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And I don't think he's gonna succeed, but of course not.
There is a feeling of like, uh oh, this is real life.
alex jones
Right.
jordan holmes
Everybody drop the drop the facade.
We actually need to talk to people like they're real people for five seconds.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
And at this point, um, you know, like that video that he is playing is the one that's far away.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And so the mind he's playing it, yeah.
But the mind doesn't I don't think it's as horrified by that because it's very abstract.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It's so it's so.
jordan holmes
We've all seen movies.
dan friesen
We it's like a Clint Eastwood version of shooting a guy where they go, uh And like I said, there's entirely like you could come away from the wide angle version of this, you know, this other clip as like he might have survived.
Right.
That is not like it's not horrifying.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Uh I think once you see the other clip, it's crazy.
jordan holmes
No good, no good.
dan friesen
I well, anybody I think seeing that is just like nope, nope.
I understand that.
Um and I'm not saying this is where it's difficult.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I still think you shouldn't play this on your show.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
I think it's I think it's not helpful and probably a negative influence.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But it's more defensible definitely than the other one.
jordan holmes
Than the other one.
dan friesen
Yeah.
The other one, there's no excuse.
jordan holmes
You know, I here's the fun thing.
Uh, and it's not fun.
But just from like a let's step back and remember where and what we are and what we're doing.
You shouldn't be there's no possible way you could ever have evolved to be fine with seeing something like that.
The species has only been around for 300,000 years, and none of them has been able to deal with that shit.
There's no reason to think that you'd just be instinctively fine with it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You should not be fine with it.
dan friesen
You've got the chillist genes.
jordan holmes
This is fucked up.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So as much as Harrison is like kind of trying to uh you know be a newsman, um, he does.
I mean, the info wars does does creep in.
harrison smith
And it looks like everybody looks to the right as if the gunshot came from over there, which was really far away from the stage.
And there you see everybody running.
Uh whatever you guys have on this, go ahead and bring to me or uh any more videos we can bring up.
I'd like to look more at that.
I guess I can hop on X here, but uh that is very horrifying.
And not exactly unexpected with the increasing leftist violence.
Charlie Kirk has just been shot at an event in Utah Valley University.
dan friesen
Yeah, you can't not bring it into the the conversation about leftist violence, of course.
You know, jumping to the these conclusions, sure, building the narrative, as it were.
Uh But I the sense that I got from this is that Harrison's a bit rattled.
Like as much as that leftist violence, you know, slip in is there and the info war is there.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I d I don't think that he's fully like there.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
harrison smith
Committed to lying and some more video coming out from this.
Oh my god.
Yeah.
There, it looks like he was sh oh my god, it looks like he was shot in the chest.
Holy.
I hope he was wearing a bulletproof vest.
I can't believe what we're seeing here.
Uh, so it looks like he was shot in the chest.
The people in that video all look to the right as if somebody was shooting from by them.
I mean, that would be a very far shot.
It looked like two or three hundred meters.
unidentified
Uh, if that's the case.
harrison smith
So this was in Utah.
All right.
When we know more about this, we will uh bring it to you.
But I mean, obviously, this is I mean, this is the way things are going.
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
I think Harrison kind of cares.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, like he's still uh an InfoWars employee.
So some of the knee-jerk reactions and responses of narrative building and like how are we gonna make this work?
Sure, they're still there.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But also some human response is there.
There is there's a feeling of concern.
There's a feeling of like um I I'm thrown off my game by this because it's a human to me.
And I maybe he cares about Charlie.
Maybe he knows him or you know, thinks of him as friend.
jordan holmes
I mean, what's what is interesting, I mean, I don't know, I don't know.
I don't want to say like great.
I think what's what's human about that is that it reminds us that all of the other reactions to it are reactions of thought, are reactions of second consequence.
Your first instinct is the same as every other fucking person, except for I guess psychopaths or whatever, because I've read about them.
dan friesen
But this kind of oh my god.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of like, no, this is not an okay thing to happen.
It doesn't all of the shit you've talked up until that point, whether or not you believed it at the time or not, in that moment, you are reacting like a human being.
dan friesen
Yeah, there's something you're you're startled, you're uh uh put off.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You're it and I think that that's w what I'm trying to uh describe is almost like unsure footing.
Yeah, you know, like he he has actually uh almost like you know taking a punch uh and is is is a little dazed.
No, you're you're and that's human.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean it's it's ironic, but like a well thought out reaction from a good right thinking person hours later is identical to Harrison Smith's well thought out, horrifying reaction.
What's also identical is that you're a good person and Harrison's horrible person reaction in the moment is fucking shit.
Fuck me.
dan friesen
Well, but you know, yeah, and honestly, uh like I don't know how you could respond to this live on air as you know, like a peer of his or whatever.
You know, like I don't know how you possibly could have something that that even sounds composed.
jordan holmes
Did you know that there was a time whenever something like this would happen and they would go like we're gonna we're just gonna turn the TV off for a few minutes while we figure out what the fuck is going on.
dan friesen
And then there's a little little symbol would come up.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that doesn't happen anymore.
Now you have to be on the moment, in the moment, always.
dan friesen
Yeah, and if you're too unsure in your footing, and you're not really you know really you're not really selling it, you're run the risk of Alex barging in.
unidentified
Fuck.
harrison smith
Kirk was reportedly shot near the neck while seated during a live QA session.
Eyewitnesses say he fell from his chair, his shots were fired, an evacuation of UVU campus was initiated following reports of an active shooter.
U.S. Senator Mike Lee posted that he's monitoring the situation, urged prayers for Kirk.
Uh Alex, yeah, we're just hearing about this.
alex jones
Absolutely.
I was grabbing lunch for get my dad of the hospital.
Uh Fox News, they can back it up right now.
They've got more details.
And I'm telling you, Charlie is doing such a great job getting people registered as Republicans.
He puts himself out there every day.
My God, the left, the the trans shooters, the the stabbers.
Wow, looks like he gets shot.
Wow, right in the chest.
My God.
Probably have a parking garage.
Just as I've been predicting the left would do.
unidentified
Wow.
alex jones
Yeah, that hit him right under the heart.
Hold on, hold on, let me turn around.
Let's see, that's the heart side.
unidentified
Wow.
alex jones
That was a professional.
They shot right.
It looks like it hits him about two inches.
That'd be the lower heart.
My God.
dan friesen
When I said earlier that Harrison sounded unsure in his footing, I meant that he had the opposite of that energy.
Alex storms onto the set, slamming the door behind him and immediately asserts a couple kinds of authority.
He's far more assertive about accusing the left and trans people of the shooting.
And I wouldn't be too shocked if part of Alex's instinct to come in so quick was because Harrison wasn't pouncing on blaming people fast enough.
Alex directs the coverage to uh treat the shooting video as a bit more of a spectacle.
And in the process, he's dehumanizing Charlie Kirk a little bit.
He's amazed at the accuracy of the which seems more interesting to him than the fact that his supposed friend is dying in front of him.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
The second major thing Alex does here is put his stamp on the story by making sure to point out that the shooter was probably in a garage and that Alex predicted that.
It's good for info wars if the story is that a high profile conservative figure was killed, but it's great for info wars if the headline is that Alex predicted it.
He's marveling at a video of his comrade being killed, and one of Alex's first thoughts is to make it about himself, which is what you'd expect.
And that's the only reason that Harrison's response is in any way notable to me at all.
It's the lowest of bars, but because Alex immediately fails it.
jordan holmes
It's it's it is so much like let's just replace that question.
You know that question where they're like, oh, so the guy meets a girl at the funeral, uh, and then the next week he kills her dad.
And you're like, oh, because well, that doesn't make sense, but if you're a psychopath, you meet girls at funerals.
It makes perfect sense.
Sure.
Like it could just be like, are you Alex Jones?
That's another great way of doing the psychopath question.
Is like, are you Alex Jones?
dan friesen
Can you watch a video of someone who is a friend being shot?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And what a great shot.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Whoa, man.
jordan holmes
You're a you're a you are a psychopath.
dan friesen
You know there are cameras on too.
jordan holmes
Of course.
No, you love that there are cameras on.
dan friesen
Oh, it's just such an awful response.
jordan holmes
Man, I feel like ants have it right.
I feel like there's like ants have it right insofar as when something goes on.
dan friesen
You didn't mean like your parents' sister.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
Ants ants as a species.
Like when something like this goes on, sometimes just a bunch of ants just jump on top of another ant, and they're just like, nah, none of this.
None of this.
Can't be dealing with this.
Like you see something like that, and you're like, nah, whatever, whatever needs to be done to get that out of here.
dan friesen
It's real dark.
jordan holmes
That's gotta go.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's crazy.
dan friesen
So Alex rambles a little bit here and then uh ends up saying a prayer, which is not performative at all.
alex jones
Okay.
My God.
Man.
Oh my goodness.
This is absolutely devastating, ladies and gentlemen.
Oh my god.
Oh my god.
Looks like a shot from higher up too.
You couldn't shoot through the crowd from lower.
This is slow that down.
Wow.
Boom.
Oh my god.
harrison smith
And it looks like everybody looks over to the right as if yeah, it was coming from that parking garage.
alex jones
Yeah, that's what I'm telling you.
The attacks are gonna come from the parking garage.
Wow.
Okay, I'm gonna go get my dad in the hospital.
I said I'll do it.
But I'm I'll be back.
Great job.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
Stuart Rhodes, everybody's coming up.
Uh fuck.
Do on the war room.
Uh this is just Stuart Rhodes coming next to our wow.
Everybody, let's say a prayer right now for Charlie.
By the way, everybody says censorship when I come in the show.
Everybody knows I get hired here.
I'll run down with breaking news.
Yes, puts you on my show too.
Our heavenly father, Charlie Kirk has done such an incredible job getting hundreds of thousands, if not millions of young people to register to vote for Republicans.
He is a game changer and puts himself out there every day as a warrior on the field as a man in the arena.
And we pray, Father, that you send your angels of protection and miraculously heal him.
And we pray that you raise him up and it's in your will that he live.
And if it's in your will that he die, he will then be a martyr for the truth and justice.
We pray for Charlie Kirk right now in the name of your son, our Savior, Jesus Christ.
Amen.
All of us together, we pray for Charlie Kirk in the name of Jesus Christ.
Amen.
harrison smith
Amen.
alex jones
Dog it.
Oh man.
unidentified
Wow.
Wow.
alex jones
Let me tell you.
Trump, every day to his cabinet says this is a war.
We need to be totally committed.
And Trump's doing way more good than he's doing bad.
Way better than Kamala.
They want to kill Trump too.
They want to kill us.
There's a reason I don't do a bunch of public events.
Not that I'm a wimp.
They're not important enough to rest my life.
I guarantee you I'd be dead right now if I did what Charlie Kirk does.
He is an incredible person.
He's under massive attack on the left and others.
And uh wow, this is unbelievable.
Pray for him right now.
This is a war.
dan friesen
It's an info war.
Again, Alex is trying to make this all about himself.
He's insistent on bringing up the parking garages thing because it's validating his own sense of importance.
Charlie's death proves Alex right again, which is the important thing to Alex.
Even more disgustingly, when Alex is getting ready to pray for Charlie, he has to take a minute to get defensive about how he barged into Harrison's show because that's something he's getting a lot of criticism for with Owen leaving.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
No one's mad that Alex stormed in now, and it actually would be strange if he didn't.
alex jones
Yep.
dan friesen
This is a massive breaking news, and Harrison's filling in for him on his show.
So the fact that this is something that's in the front of his mind is weird.
That's fucked up.
This is an awful way to cover this news.
Alex has reinserted himself into the show, made someone else's death about himself, got defensive about stuff his former employee said, did a very performative prayer, and then started whining about how Trump is good.
In the minutes after the shooting, countless Democratic politicians, ostensibly Charlie's great rivals, posted messages of condolences to his family and denunciations of political violence.
News companies went out of their way to be pandering in their coverage to the point that MSNBC fired one of their political analysts, Matthew Dowd, after he commented on air that Kirk was a divisive figure who promoted a ton of hate in his career, and that quote, I always go back to hateful thoughts lead to hateful words, which then lead to hateful actions.
That got him fired.
And I think that speaks to the tame or even muzzled response you saw from institutions in the wake of this shooting.
Kirk's old nemesis, Nick Fuentes posted on Twitter, quote, This feels like a nightmare.
One of the most horrific things I've ever seen.
I feel absolutely gutted and devastated.
Pray for Charlie Kirk's soul, his young family, and our country.
The violence and hatred has to stop.
Our country needs Christ now more than ever.
A few hours later, he posted, quote, given the cravity, uh the gravity of today's events, I will not be doing a show tonight.
Instead, let us all say a prayer for the repose of Charlie Kirk's soul and for his grieving family.
jordan holmes
That's the move.
dan friesen
How we choose to respond to this watershed moment is profoundly important, and we should all sleep on it.
All of this really illustrates how Alex has become a man entirely ruled by his impulses and his addiction to chasing attention.
To the point where, you know, this guy, Nick, who hated uh Charlie, yeah, can see what he should do in this situation.
jordan holmes
Like he has the wherewithal to recognize that I mean, you know, it's but it's the difference between a smart junkie and a dumb junkie.
You know, like he's a he's doing that because he's chasing attention in the smartest possible way.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, like you can be a Wall Street junkie.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know.
dan friesen
Yeah, no, that's that's true.
That's a fair, that's a fair way to put it.
Um, but but it really does look bad for Alex.
jordan holmes
I mean, man, that's just I wish it, you know, sometimes in moments like this, I wish that I was still a Christian, because I would be grateful for Alex as being like a perfect test of true faith.
If you believe there is a God who gives a shit, and that man's still alive, it takes faith to get there.
It takes faith to get there the next day.
That man and a god at the same time.
Get the fuck out of here.
dan friesen
Yeah, a lot of the stuff that Alex seems to do taunts God.
jordan holmes
A ma good work, God.
You have tested the shit out of my faith.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex has left.
He barged back out.
Yeah, after saying this is an info war.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Um, and uh so Harrison just talking, just trying to fill some time.
harrison smith
That is horrifying.
And yeah, I don't even know what to say.
I mean, this The left is absolutely becoming radicalized to an insane degree.
This is not.
Honestly, it's I hate to say it's I've been unexpected.
I mean, they have they have Antifa members like one month ago or two months ago, setting an ambush outside of an ICE facility, lighting the building on fire, so they come out, and then snipers positioned, shooting at them.
Luckily, you know, they failed in that uh attempt, but I mean, they are on a war footing and they are out for blood, and they keep telling us that, and we keep not taking them seriously.
dan friesen
At this point, they know literally nothing about this incident.
They've just decided that it was a leftist who did it because that satisfies the storyline in their heads, so that's just become fact.
These kinds of details don't matter because when there are details that come out, they'll just ignore them.
If it turns out the shooter was a left-leaning person, they'll just continue with that storyline.
And if it turns out that they weren't, then it'll be a false flag or a patsy or a mind control wind up toy of the deep state.
It doesn't matter.
Also, this talk about leftist violence is great, but do you think that Harrison can remember the names of the Minnesota lawmakers who were shot in June?
jordan holmes
Doubtful.
dan friesen
I know it is supposed to be a false flag, but do you think he remembers their names?
I bet he can't.
jordan holmes
No, absolutely not.
dan friesen
I'm sh I'm certain.
And that's telling.
jordan holmes
I wonder if we're entering like a a weird subset of the dead internet theory where eventually all violence is carried out by like 50 guys to each other.
Cause I feel like no matter what everybody's talking about with left or right or anything like it, I don't feel like people are shooting from a couple hundred yards away unless they're already on their own kind of situation.
You know what I mean?
dan friesen
Yeah, I think there's something more going on there than uh than a left-right difference.
jordan holmes
Nobody's nobody with a a genuine ideological disagreement also has like two hundred yards away capabilities.
You know what I'm saying?
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
It it it um something else is going on.
dan friesen
It takes it takes a special uh kind of interest.
jordan holmes
It takes an elevation that I don't think normal not normal, but like the vast majority of us, regardless of what you believe, have.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
Especially people who are generally interested in politics, which has to do, you know, a lot about um organization and how uh like a city should run.
jordan holmes
You can't have a fun horse race politics idea of how things should work while at the same time being like, and you should shoot the horses before they finish the race.
No, I mean at the very least you gotta finish the race.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
It's uh it's it's it's a mess.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's a mess.
dan friesen
So Harrison thinks that he's gonna just uh have the rest of it show to himself.
Yeah, well, easy peasy.
jordan holmes
No big deal.
dan friesen
Except Alex Barges back up.
harrison smith
I I can't help but think that he had to be wearing a a bulletproof vest, right?
And of course he's not he's not an extremist.
He he's the most respectable person on the right wing as far as I'm concerned.
alex jones
Well, he's so successful at mobilizing people.
Let me just say people bitch at him he's on hardcore enough, that's how he gets the general people.
harrison smith
Yeah.
alex jones
The man's a hero.
Folks, I'm a big hunting enthusiast.
I'm I'm shot a lot of a lot of a lot of things on power rifles.
jordan holmes
Don't do this.
alex jones
And really pray for him because if you shot somebody with a handgun, it would not cause the shirt to have that ripple in the body to jolt.
That was probably a high powered rifle.
Probably not a five-five six.
He probably got shot with like a 300 wind mag or something, so I don't like to make predictions.
I hope he pulls through, but just it's it's bad.
I'm just telling you, I watched that footage.
That's high powered rifle.
harrison smith
He's gotta be wearing a bulletproof vest, right?
I mean, that would help.
alex jones
But a high powered rifle goes right through that.
unidentified
No tonks and cores.
alex jones
Now that it could have been a bulletproof vest, is why there's so much concussion.
That's a good point.
harrison smith
That's what when it's when his shirt jumped, that's what it's like.
alex jones
That could have created the bullet bouncing up.
Oh, let's print a non-millimeter.
Oh my god.
That good thinking.
Only a yeah, bulletproof vest could create that effect as well.
Roll it again.
Roll it again.
The left sure loves guns when it's for killing Catholics.
Christians.
Zoom in on this.
dan friesen
So that this is the war gaming that Alex does, trying to figure out bullets.
Um I wonder, like, there's a small part of me that wonders if it's uh almost even a coping mechanism.
Maybe like an inability to recognize this person uh dying in front of them.
jordan holmes
I mean, I don't you know, okay.
So in in a situation where it wasn't Alex and somebody who is like a really big gun enthusiast, like a gun nerd.
Yeah, that is like you're doing this because this is your point of view through which you can view the world.
dan friesen
This is like you holding someone's hand.
This is the way you can uh deal with this comfortably.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
With Alex, it's it's like it's a different kind.
It's the kind of like I'm not as interested in the gun that killed the pig as much as I am in seeing the pig get hit by the gun.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know.
dan friesen
Zoom it in.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
And that's gross.
jordan holmes
That's disgusting.
That's disgusting.
Every amount of hunter-ish, like we're part of nature is removed by the the leering, disgusting grin of look at this blood spurt.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
And and and like this kind of behavior, like the zoom in, let's play this again.
Yeah, like that in a room, like alone, where you're like trying to like get clues and get to the bottom of something is still kind of fucked up.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Doing it on air is grotesque.
jordan holmes
Nobody, nobody would watching like Kevin Costner do an Oliver Stoneflick is like Kevin Costner's the guy who's totally sane, right?
Yeah.
Like, no, he's yeah.
dan friesen
And Alex isn't even being met.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
Uh no, no, he's not being reasonable at all.
dan friesen
So um Alex uh takes off again and uh Harrison reflects on the radical left.
jordan holmes
Right.
harrison smith
And what have we been talking about for the last couple of days?
The fostering of extremism, the encouraging of the most radical and violent elements of the Democratic Party constantly telling this swath of mentally ill people that they're they're under attack, that fascism is coming, that they have to stand up and fight and arm yourselves.
jordan holmes
That's what you say.
harrison smith
Inevitable outcome, and that's what you say.
Pray Charlie Kirk is um is okay.
Uh, this is gonna change a lot of the calculus moving forward, I think.
Again, we're gonna bring anything that we get as soon as we get it.
But we're not gonna run with any rumors.
We're only gonna go with the uh confirmed statements.
dan friesen
Harrison's pretending that he's not gonna report rumors and he's just gonna stick to the facts, but the entire premise of his coverage is based on his feelings.
He's just uh just decided that the shooting was connected to the stories that he likes to tell about radical democrats being violent, and based on nothing more than that, this is how the news is being covered.
The foundation that this coverage is based on is opinion and emotion, not kind of any kind of factual reporting, and I don't think that he's even like aware of or understands that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But also, Harrison should be super careful about what he's saying here.
InfoWars is not supposed to believe that stochastic terrorism is real.
It's a very important tenet of Alex's ideology that violent words don't cause violent action, because if they did, he would be in big trouble.
What's Alex's business model built on, other than telling mentally ill people that they're under attack?
He rants about the globalists and commies instead of fascism, but what Harrison's whining about the Democrats doing is exactly what pays his bills.
Harrison doesn't seem to understand that the only reason that what he and Alex do is socially acceptable at all is because Alex says politically, after he graphically describes murdering someone, and then we all pretend that matters.
If we all accept that violent rhetoric leads to violent action, then Alex should be in prison, which is why InfoWars is not supposed to understand this.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Harrison should leave this angle alone, brings up too many questions.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Play dumb, buddy.
Come on.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
You know, the irony of everything that they are and everything that they do, right?
Is that if I'm to if I'm talking about somebody who's in the you know, not on the left or on the center or anything like that.
If I'm talking about somebody who's just a rational, clear-eyed talker about what we're talking about, and I say something like, oh, it's a false flag.
The response isn't like those never happen.
The response is those are usually a bad idea.
Like those don't work.
Those are bad ideas, right?
Only these people think that not only do false flags happen All the time.
dan friesen
Almost every day.
jordan holmes
But that they are a good idea.
dan friesen
They're super effective.
jordan holmes
In order to accomplish what you want.
So the irony of this situation is that, and I'm not saying that this is or is not a false flag.
But in terms of a situation like this, based upon the target that we're dealing with, there is a far more likelihood of this being somebody that likes him than not likes him in order to try and achieve the goals that he set out because of what they believe.
dan friesen
Well, sure.
Um it's weird.
jordan holmes
It's an ironic situation.
dan friesen
Well, don't worry.
I mean, it will be a false flag if it needs to be.
jordan holmes
Exact, but that's the problem.
Exactly.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Everything can be a false flag until it's proven not, but you don't want to use that when you don't need to.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
And in this case, they don't really need to yet.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
dan friesen
Uh with the Minnesota, they did.
Right.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Very important then.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So uh Harrison uh he thinks he's uh alone again.
jordan holmes
Of course.
Is he gonna be alone again this time?
Nope.
unidentified
Oh.
dan friesen
He uh starts ranting.
jordan holmes
Over how many hours are we popping it out?
Twenty-five minutes so he was supposed to be gone multiple times within minutes of the next statement that we're taking.
dan friesen
Okay it's pretty quick.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
All right.
dan friesen
I was coming back, it's again a farce.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
It's again an opening.
jordan holmes
Open door, open closing door.
Okay, all right.
dan friesen
Um so Harrison's ranting a bit about the left, okay, and now Alex has discovered the really awful footage.
harrison smith
So we're probably gonna end up seeing a lot of different angles of this.
I'm like feeling lightheaded.
This is uh This this is the inevitable consequence of the radicalization of the left in this country and the demonization of right wingers, even people like Charlie Kirk, who are totally respectable, totally Christian, totally informed by you know American ethos, and yet they have a target on his on his back.
alex jones
There are rumors on the internet he's dead.
I said if it's not a if it's not body armor causing that big concussion, it's a super high powered rifle, like 308 wind mag, something like that.
They're saying it's an old man, they say he's in custody.
That's what the police are reporting.
We have footage we're about to show your discretion advised.
A shot by cell phone, and you see blood shoot out of his mouth body, which would be you know you know hit in the heart, which is what it looks like to me on the video.
So pray for Charlie.
We'll be finding out as this unfolds.
Uh your discretion is vice.
Let's loop his footage a couple times.
unidentified
Not counting gang violence.
Great.
alex jones
I don't want this scene when they kill people.
jordan holmes
Oh fuck me.
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
There's no justification for Alex playing this footage.
It's disgustingly graphic, and you don't learn anything from it that wasn't already known.
It's exploitative and it's an act of harm he's perpetrating on the audience.
I honestly wouldn't have even included the audio of that, except that Alex can be heard making an aside to Harrison that I think he thought was off mic.
He said, quote, they don't want this scene when they kill people, which feels like Alex making an excuse for playing this video.
It feels like uh saying that is an indication that Alex knows that he needs a reason to be airing a snuff film and even telling the crew to loop it.
Like it's fucking unacceptable.
jordan holmes
That's crazy.
dan friesen
I don't believe he doesn't understand that what he's doing is wrong and he needs an excuse.
Also, the police didn't say that an old man did it.
Twitter said that because there was footage of an old man being detained by the police uh at the university.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
This was a guy later identified as George Zinn, who's apparently a notorious local protester.
News coverage from Utah describe him uh as a libertarian who has a long history of misdemeanor arrests, and it seems like he was getting arrested because he told the police that he shot Kirk.
Right that they didn't know if he did or not, and they didn't read it.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And he didn't.
So as usual, InfoWars is reporting rubber and speculation, passing it off as official information from legit sources, the exact thing that Harrison said they're not going to do.
jordan holmes
Usually the cop when the cops say something, they announce it, they've got a whole thing, there's like things.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
When Twitter says something, they just go, the cops got him.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't I don't know if the cops and the FBI were had great message discipline around this as the day went on, but uh yeah, this one was a um this was more of a social media thing than uh you know, than an official announcement.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
unidentified
Man, fucking gross what a fucking It's fucking gross.
jordan holmes
What a group of people to think that this is okay.
Even not even okay, like to think that even in certain circumstances this is okay.
There's no need, there's no circumstances that justify this behavior.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
There just aren't.
dan friesen
No.
Because you don't need to I I wish I could add more editorial eyes in some way, but no, it's not.
It's it's disgusting.
jordan holmes
Yeah, like uh I don't know.
I don't know, man.
How do you how do people get there?
dan friesen
I I mean I think that you know, having you know, I I I didn't have autoplay on, so I can't I can't cop to that.
Yeah, I did not realize what it was going to be when I clicked on the video.
And having had that experience, I find it so repulsive.
Yeah that Alex knows what he's doing.
He's airing this, and he's like, loop it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's just unacceptable.
Like I he's an adult.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I I didn't see uh I've seen none of the videos.
At no point in time would I have been informed by any of the videos.
You could just say he's dead.
You could say he was just shot, and I would be like, I've lived a life long enough to where I know what the context of those things mean.
I don't need to subject myself to blood.
I don't.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yep.
Fucking hell.
jordan holmes
Fucking hell.
dan friesen
So anyway, Alex gets uh lost a little bit uh in discussing the mechanics of the shooting.
And uh it I think that's the most important part.
unidentified
To some see, you see the jolt.
alex jones
You see the jolt in the in the it's the juggler wouldn't do that jolt.
Oh, he could have hit the body armor and bounced up.
jordan holmes
Ah.
alex jones
Yeah, body armor bounces up.
So you see the bullet bounce up.
That might have been a pistol round.
Jesus Christ.
Man, Charlie, we love you, brother.
What a warrior.
What a Viking.
Well, if he does die, he's going straight to Valhalla.
That's a real warrior king's death right there.
harrison smith
Sword in hand.
Oh my god, that was how many, how many things like this are we gonna have to see.
alex jones
I'll just say this.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
This isn't gonna intimidate the populist movement, it's only make us stronger.
And if they think this top of stuff's intimidate us, they got another thing coming.
They think we're like them, a bunch of scum.
So only make us reable our efforts.
But I don't think it's a rumor he's dead.
If you're seeing that, it looks fatal.
Pray for Charlie Koch Cyril, folks.
Praise alive, but I don't think so.
Wow.
Stuart Rhodes is coming in.
harrison smith
Stuart Stuart Rhodes takes over, folks.
jordan holmes
Really?
harrison smith
This is why we're so into Donald Trump.
If he doesn't fix this, God only knows where it goes from here.
Things are getting out of control.
dan friesen
Quite out of control, I would say.
Um I felt like Alex was really trying to work up to if you want to fight, you better believe you got one.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Some catchphrase action.
jordan holmes
Fucking hell.
dan friesen
Um, yeah, I think that uh if you think that he's probably dead based on the video you just watched, don't air that.
At least you should think it's probably not what the family wants.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You should like I understand that you probably want to rile people up and you know, whatever, but there's a there's an inherent disrespect that I just feel like should be baseline.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
Oh well.
jordan holmes
I think this is this is a really great exemplar of the difference between talking and doing.
Like Harrison talks such a big game of being a Nazi piece of shit.
Alex is a Nazi piece of shit to his core.
dan friesen
Emphasis on piece of shit.
jordan holmes
To his fucking core.
dan friesen
Because I think that there's some pieces of shit parts of him that are Nazi-ish, and there's some parts that are different that are still piece of shit.
jordan holmes
You know, they're more.
They're there, there's a there's a an evolution of piece of shittery.
dan friesen
He's a dynamic piece of shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but it is like there are a lot of people in life who just talk shit and they they talk a big fucking game.
But when it comes down to it, like, that's a human life.
Alex is fucking not that.
He does not Alex is not that.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Alex does not give a fuck.
dan friesen
Yeah.
That's really the feeling that I got from this You know, albeit fairly brief uh time that they were covering this on the episode was that the Harrison has a slightly human response, and Alex does not care at all.
jordan holmes
Not even a little bit.
dan friesen
He's interested in guns and how he can use this.
jordan holmes
And Owen!
dan friesen
Yeah.
Well, he makes a Freudian slip a little bit later.
jordan holmes
Oh, he does.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So um they said that uh we got a guest host coming in.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
Of all the fucking people, Who do we gotta have?
We gotta have pirate uh murder talk over here.
dan friesen
Yep.
stewart rhodes
So we just heard that Charlie Kirk was shot in Utah.
Um our prayers go out to him.
Hopefully he'll make it.
So big lesson from that is is that we are already.
I'm hate to say this, but we're already in a civil war.
And it's been that way for years against the left.
Just FX up reality.
That they are waging war on this country, on this constitution, and on us.
And they don't they don't accept free speech from anybody but themselves.
That's clear from from what happened to Charlie Kirk today.
dan friesen
They have zero information about who did this shooting or why they did it, but now we have Stuart Rhodes coming in to whine about how this is part of the left's war on the country, which is already a civil war.
I often have moments where it feels like InfoWars is a full-on parody of itself, and this is a great example of that.
Charlie Kirk was just murdered at an event, and less than an hour later, the head of a paramilitary group that tried to overthrow the country four years ago is guest hosting, complaining about the left.
Even if you just leave out all of the January 6th stuff, leave that to the side.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
His history with the Oath Keepers is plagued with violence, pretending to be politics.
Stuart being the host on this particular day, it just feels like proof of assimilation.
I mean it's so surreal.
jordan holmes
I think I just did become a Christian because no amount of faith could ever overcome this.
Ironically making my complete lack of faith the only true faith that there could possibly be, proving that once and for all there is a god.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And like it's the you know, obviously Alex didn't plan all of this, like the show.
jordan holmes
You can't possibly you can't possibly have done that.
dan friesen
But it would explain how this has so much irony to it.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's steeped.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's steeped.
dan friesen
So one thing that is true is that Alex did need to go pick up his dad, I think.
Because he does not come back.
Um instead, I think he drops his dad back off.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
We were gonna go get some ice cream, but dad's sorry.
jordan holmes
No mass.
dan friesen
I've got to go film a special report.
jordan holmes
Oh god.
dan friesen
So Alex comes back to the studio and films a report about Charlie Kirk.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
alex jones
The Democrats just killed Charlie Kirk today.
They're desperate, they're losing.
They want to intimidate you and me and everybody else.
But we won't let the murder of our hero be used against us.
We'll use this death as an example to celebrate the life of Charlie Kirk and let the globalists know you did this out of weakness, and we're now gonna peacefully expose you and speak out publicly more than ever.
And then you criminals will be defeated and will be going to prison.
We're about to break it all down right now.
dan friesen
By this point, Alex has zero new information, but he's very confidently yelling about how the Democrats killed Charlie Kirk.
Getting things right doesn't matter to Alex.
All that matters is feelings.
It's important to understand that Alex is acting this way because he knows that emotions are super high in this moment, and that he needs to strike while the iron's hot.
A leading figure in their media space was just publicly killed.
So people are naturally pissed off and a bit scared.
If Alex were to get on air and say, hey, let's keep our cool and wait till we have some information before we jump to conclusions, he wouldn't be able to exploit those angry and scared feelings that the listeners have.
When someone is angry and scared, if you try to calm them down, you're looking out for their best interests, but you're gonna be less able to manipulate them.
On the other hand, if you tap into that fear and anger, you're gonna make the situation therein worse, but the energy that those emotions uh create can be redirected and pointed where you want to aim it.
This is a major trick that Alex has used throughout his career, where he exploits the audience's feelings of fear and anger, often around public tragedies, and then redirects their feelings towards things that bring him profit.
When you think about Alex's career, what do you think about?
Is it making shit up about horrible tragedies, or is it actually getting to the bottom of crimes and corruption?
Without the crutch of taking advantage of public trauma, we wouldn't know Alex's name.
Yeah.
Everything that's big in his career, 9-11, Sandy Hook, Waco.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Like all of it is exploitation of the pain that tragedy causes.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
And that's should be his legacy.
jordan holmes
His his talent is not for anything other than recognizing when speed is the most important thing beyond all else, beyond everything else.
Speed.
Get there fast.
dan friesen
And and uh other people's pain alchemy.
Yep, that's his uh that's his skill.
jordan holmes
He's got that.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So this was uh Shot heard around the world.
alex jones
September 10th, 2025 is a day where a shot was heard around the world.
Charlie Kirk was brutally murdered today in Utah while speaking to thousands at an outdoor event at a college.
And the left is everywhere celebrating it.
They're so happy.
They had witches in groups cursing him in the week before.
They had people in Utah releasing a song a month ago about killing him.
We'll get to all of that.
dan friesen
So there's that soft music playing, and if you're just listening to this show, you might think of this as some kind of a respectful tribute.
But the video that's playing just before Alex starts talking is Charlie getting shot in slow mo.
unidentified
Great.
dan friesen
It's horrific stuff.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
Also, I'm not going to try uh dwell on this too much, but when Alex says that Democrats are over all the that they're all celebrating Charlie's death, the only thing he points to is a couple of random people on TikTok.
It would be totally fine if he wanted to say that these people are acting distastefully and that he doesn't like it, but if he's going to say that Democrats are all out here celebrating, he should add a little note about how literally every mainstream Democratic politician posted a condolence and denunciation message on Twitter.
It feels like him not saying that and just posting like a few TikToks, that's him lying by omission.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And that it feels that way because that's what it is.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's doing this because he's a liar, trying to exploit his supposed friend's death before it's even been publicly announced that he's dead.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's gross.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, functionally, while I understand the impetus behind what's ever everybody's doing, right?
All of those messages from Democratic politicians and the like are all reasonable things that they are saying to other Democrats.
You are not being heard by anybody on the right.
Yeah.
So if you're making that statement or or firing whatever his fuck is in the hopes of being like, this will send a message to the right that we're above this.
That message is unheard.
dan friesen
Yeah, there'll be a couple people on TikTok that will speak for all of you.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
And I mean, in the same way, if you're if you're like yelling at somebody about uh, you know, like, oh, this should happen because he he's a violent guy.
He commanded violence.
He said that the second amendment was fine.
That's also not being heard.
Just the two of you talking.
It's the Democrats saying we should be cool, and the Democrats saying, like, this guy had it coming.
They're talking to each other.
None of you are having a conversation with the right.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think they're doing their own thing.
jordan holmes
They're doing their own thing, and what you think is meaningless to them.
dan friesen
Except when they feel like they can use it.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
And that's what I'm saying.
jordan holmes
And you don't even need to actually think of.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex thinks that he's figured out why Charlie got shot.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Um, he was getting too close to uncovering the truth that crimes are happening against white people.
jordan holmes
Oh shit.
alex jones
But the reason it's a shot heard around the world is he came out a few days ago with the murder of the Ukrainian 23-year-old refugee, and the left trying to cover up that was racially motivated.
The killer says, I got that white girl, and they said he's the bad guy.
He's the fascist, he's Hitler.
karoline leavitt
On August 22nd, Arena Zarutska was stabbed to death on the rail system in Charlotte, North Carolina, by a savage career criminal.
unidentified
Her life story, I think, will be told uh both in the United States and Ukraine for years to come.
What do you think the importance of this story is most fundamentally?
charlie kirk
This was one of the coldest, most senseless murders I've ever seen.
She had no interaction with this guy whatsoever.
She was sitting money around business, and he just takes out a knife and just decides to stab her.
I do say this with some form of just um heaviness.
I don't like politicizing situations like this, but it just necessitates it because there are so many dynamics at play here.
Based on the information evidence we have, the attacker did say, I got that white girl.
The attacker racialized it in his own telling of this situation.
And we all know this.
Any honest observer of your program knows this, including Van Jones even knows this deep down, which is that, of course, if a random white person on a subway took out a knife and stabbed a black girl senselessly to death, there would be massive media coverage.
There would be policy changes.
There would be people having to apologize for this.
We saw this in George Floyd.
And yet, for whatever reason, this situation has not garnered even a fraction of that kind of outrage or backlash.
alex jones
And it's really captured people's attention.
dan friesen
So what happened in this case in North Carolina is a horrible tragedy, but I don't think that this very clearly a mentally unwell person muttering something that sounded like I got that white girl after stabbing a random person is enough to establish that this was a racially motivated crime.
I don't think uh that Charlie's claim that the killer, quote, racialized the crime is even defensible, because generally speaking, for a crime to be racialized, race has to be a part of a motivation for a crime, not something that was just said descriptively afterwards.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
Even assuming all the other details he's giving are correct.
jordan holmes
By pointing out his race and their race, I'm racializing the crime, and that must be what he was doing, racializing it.
Because otherwise I wouldn't be able to racialize it.
dan friesen
Further, the point that Charlie is making about how if it were a black woman stabbed by a white guy on the train, there would be tons of media coverage of it, and there would be policy changes.
But I would also just point out that there's tons of media coverage of the case he's talking about, and the president is using it to try to justify sending federal troops into states to squash crime.
jordan holmes
There you go.
dan friesen
This whole if the races were swapped game is just that.
It's a game designed to bait racists.
Charlie also says that uh this isn't getting the same attention as George Floyd, and I think part of the reason for that is that Floyd was killed by a cop who had him subdued.
The current story doesn't involve police brutality, which was a very central issue as to why people were protesting a lot about the previous case.
The reason that Charlie got blowback from this uh behavior that he was engaged in is because it was a little obvious how desperately he was trying to stoke racism with his coverage of the story.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I feel like him saying even Van Jones would have to admit is a little over the top because he's just using Van Jones as a stand-in for a black guy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean it's ridiculous.
dan friesen
It's I know it's not important, but this story has another deep irony to it, which is that the victim of this crime is someone that folks like Alex and Charlie do not like.
She was a refugee, which they don't want here.
Further, she was from Ukraine, a country that they both are cheering on Putin invading.
If she hadn't been killed, they would be happy to demand that she be deported back to Ukraine, and they wouldn't care if she was killed as a result of that.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
But because it happened here and how it did, they accept her as one of their own because she was white.
And they can use this story to exacerbate their audience's feelings of racial victimhood.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So it's all good.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no, no.
You don't understand.
Because uh what who what was it?
Like CNBC or MSNBC?
dan friesen
MSNBC.
jordan holmes
Yeah, because they fired that guy, the right is like, oh, okay, cool.
Well, we're all good.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
They nailed it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because they fired they were like, oh, you guys are clearly mad about how we cover this.
Uh this guy said something clearly simple, like, you know, hey, if you're dabbling in violence, maybe don't be surprised if violence happens.
Uh so we fired him, so now violence is ended.
dan friesen
Yeah, and that you clearly uh took that as a sign of good faith on our part.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
I'm glad we can have a respectful relationship moving.
jordan holmes
I appreciate that we're not gonna have to hear the right complaint about the MSNBC any more anymore.
Certainly because they've done the thing for him, right?
I'm sure it's fixed.
dan friesen
So Alex is he's suggesting that the reason that the globalists had to take out Charlie Kirk is because he pointed out uh race.
jordan holmes
A single instance of one Right.
dan friesen
The thing that they always do.
jordan holmes
The thing that they've done, I don't know if we constantly like one week has gone by in the past So that's at least fifty-two times in the past year.
dan friesen
Yeah, this is why.
jordan holmes
This is why.
Okay, gotcha.
dan friesen
Um, and so Alex complains a bit more about uh these people on TikTok, and uh they're they're the worst.
jordan holmes
TikTok.
alex jones
So Charlie Kirk will live forever.
And God bless his family and everything he's done.
But the left everywhere, literally celebrating this just shows you how sick these people are.
They want you dead because you're not a Satanist, you're not a pedophile, you're not a globalist.
And they're not gonna stop.
So you can't roll over the political correctness.
You can't hope they just go away.
You've got to stand up against them culturally, economically, spiritually.
dan friesen
The video that's playing over this part where Alex is complaining about the left celebrating is just people who posted stuff on TikTok.
There's no indication from what he's showing that they're even left-leaning people, but there's a bigger issue here.
What could be less politically correct than mocking someone's death right After it happened.
By definition, what these people on TikTok are doing is super politically incorrect.
And Alex is scolding them about it, which kind of makes him the guy trying to uphold some standard of political correctness.
These kids on TikTok are doing exactly what free speech loving iconoclasts would want them to do.
And Alex is playing the role of the stuffy censor in all this.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
He's doesn't even understand the what he's but he's who cares.
jordan holmes
I mean man, what are we doing here?
I it's it's one of those things where it's like, ah, God, I wish I could play that clip.
I wish I could play that clip of Alex being like, ooh, that wasn't a 556.
That was definitely like, oh, boom.
dan friesen
He said boom.
jordan holmes
Right?
I wish I could play that clip for anybody on the right and just be like, listen, I know what they've said.
But at the very least, everybody you think is evil on the left will go, I'm sorry you got shot.
They'll at least say that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You can't say that for Alex.
dan friesen
You can argue whether they mean it or not.
jordan holmes
You bet.
dan friesen
But Alex is gonna say boom.
jordan holmes
Alex is going to go boom.
Like fucking Madden.
dan friesen
He's gonna s uh slow-mo zoom in a picture of you getting shot and and the worst moments of the end of your life.
jordan holmes
If we have disagreements about taxes, I get it, buddy.
But if you get shot, I'm not gonna go boom.
That's not gonna happen.
We're buds.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Crazy.
dan friesen
So some people say that Charlie Kirk wasn't hardcore enough.
jordan holmes
That's where we're at.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
And Alex doesn't like those people, but he does because they're Nick Fuentes and Alex loves it.
Yeah, Alex has said that too.
alex jones
Charlie Kirk decided to be exactly where he wanted to be, standing up against evil.
Standing up against tyrants, standing up for free speech.
And some in the populist right wing movement could say, well, he wasn't hardcore on this, or he wasn't, you know, hardcore on that.
It didn't matter.
He was getting millions.
The last nine years, but three million in the last election.
Young people to break from the brainwashing on the campuses and to go out and vote Republican.
That is such a revolutionary act, and so he had to die.
dan friesen
The people who say that Charlie wasn't hardcore enough are the avant-garde Nazis that Alex likes a lot these days, and not hardcore enough is just a fun euphemism that Alex is trying to hide behind.
He needs to stop playing dumb games and just accept that his Nazi friends hated Kirk because it wasn't Nazi enough for them.
Also, I think it's really sad for Alex to be venerating some guy who was wishy-washy on the issues just because they were an effective partisan voter registration guy.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
If you're supposed to be above the left-right paradigm, this seems like a weird person to make a hero out of, but that paradigm wasn't real to begin with.
jordan holmes
They couldn't, they couldn't stop themselves if they wanted to.
This was going to happen.
It could have been fucking the most milked toast.
It could have been fucking Lieberman, man, and they'd still be like, oh, he was a hero of the movement.
dan friesen
Sure.
He had he had his moments.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
They had to that listen, we need somebody.
He's here.
This is what's happening.
dan friesen
He said something racist last week, and that's probably why they killed him.
jordan holmes
Close enough?
dan friesen
Yeah.
That explains it.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
So look, man, this is all part of the Podesta plan.
jordan holmes
Podesta plan.
dan friesen
Yeah, you remember that thing from 2020.
jordan holmes
I was not expecting it to be this part of his plan.
dan friesen
Oh, it's part of it.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
All right.
alex jones
That's the big message here.
The Podesta plan from August 2020 said if Trump could win and they couldn't steal it, public, they'd have blue states succeeded blue cities, create racial uprisings, and burn the country down and drive Trump from power.
Then they produced a few years later, the film Civil War that was released in the election year last year, fantasizing about the states coming together, marching on DC and killing Trump, who's only protected by a secret service, a Trump being figure.
So they've said they're going ahead with this plan.
dan friesen
Alex is making up all this shit about this supposed Podesta plan.
And the only way he could say this stuff about that Civil War movie is if he hasn't seen it or he's betting that everyone listening to the show hasn't.
jordan holmes
Probably not.
dan friesen
The goal here is folding Charlie's murder into the larger plot that Alex is making his audience scared about.
So the emotions that they have about this shooting become directed into Alex's revenue streams.
This is legit all exploitation.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Trying to own his death.
jordan holmes
Yep.
Yep.
I mean, it's the it's the fucking fishing email of uh eulogies.
Like this is fucked up.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's we're like, I never expected it to be good.
Like whatever his response, but it's worse than I thought.
jordan holmes
I really didn't.
I think this is what we're experiencing.
We're not psychopaths.
Like, this is it genuinely makes me feel like I passed a test.
Is like that response is crazy.
I didn't even expect that response.
That's how not a psychopath I am.
dan friesen
Yeah, and it really sucks because you know, we were coming off a time that was a little bit back to having some fun with Owen leaving and all that stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And now this is like real, it's a real splash of cold water on your face, reminding you that this guy is one of the most fucked up people who've been allowed in front of a camera.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
It's crazy.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
So on the back of this killing, the globalists are probably going to launch some racist false flags.
alex jones
It's a very good chance that off of the murder of Charlie Kurt, they've got some white supremacist drugged out MK Ultra people ready to truck bombing illegal alien demonstration or shoot up a black college or something in their future, and then they're going to try to create the clash and conflagration out of that, and that's why they're pushing this violence.
And so that's why this is so incredibly important right now that you understand this is a bellwethered event.
dan friesen
This is another important piece of Alex's agenda, which is giving a preemptive storyline to any racist acts of violence that may come in the near future.
Charlie had an audience that included a ton of racists and other brands of bigots, and the fact that their leader was just killed couldn't cite some kind of a response up to and including other acts of violence.
Alex and everyone in this media space understands that the odds of that have gone up because of this shooting.
So if that happens, it's important to have reminded the audience in advance not to believe anything like that could be real.
It's all fake.
It's all the globalists, don't worry.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
And what Trump's doing is cool.
jordan holmes
How is this at all involved?
dan friesen
Well, I mean, like Charlie Kirk got shot, right?
That's a crime.
Trump's stopping crime.
unidentified
Ugh.
jordan holmes
Right?
dan friesen
With all the police state stuff.
But it's not police state.
alex jones
Oh.
Because they're losing, they need violence.
Because the world is waking up.
They need to create the chaos and have the mass uprising like we're Nepal or something and manipulate the youth to burn down the country, so there's a smokescreen to remove Trump and bring in their tyranny.
Trump has deployed military in a few cities because of the Soros stand down defunding the police and the Soros DAs.
It's not a police state.
In an emergency, you do that, and crime is already plunged 90% in DC.
That is a protective measure ahead of what they know is coming.
dan friesen
Even if we accept everything about what Alex is saying, if we accept it, stipulate that it's true.
Is this an acceptable justification for a police state?
There's gonna be a lot of crime in the future, so Trump has to move towards martial law.
That doesn't sound very convincing coming from a guy like Alex.
If this is all that it takes to justify using the military or National Guard for domestic policing, most of the work he's done in his entire career falls apart immediately.
jordan holmes
It's just like um I mean the the irony of that is that it is actually disrespectful to Charlie Kirk's memory and what he believed in.
Like there's a subtle there's a subtle problem with people pointing out his his quote of the the second amendment thing.
Is because they're subtly saying, well, he didn't actually believe that.
Because if you wanted to say, like, this man actually believes that, then part of this is respecting that this is what happens.
He believed that this is what happens.
To take him honestly and seriously is to say, this man is a result of what he believes in.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's being honest about what he believed in.
For Alex to then take that and use it as justification for, let's say, overriding the second amendment and allowing the the National Guard to come into people's houses and grab their guns.
dan friesen
What is Possi Comitatis?
jordan holmes
Maybe that's denying the memory of the person that you're trying to venerate.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I I mean, hey, shit's crazy.
jordan holmes
Right?
dan friesen
Nothing matters anymore.
jordan holmes
In the in even a greater sense, I am respecting his memory by not calling for the end of the second amendment in a way that Alex Jones isn't.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
You're passing a test, weirdly here.
It's awful.
jordan holmes
It's awful.
dan friesen
So Alex passed a test, too.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that was not being mean To Charlie when everybody was so mean to him.
jordan holmes
That was nice of him.
dan friesen
Except he was.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he was.
alex jones
But in closing, I just want to say we love you, Charlie Kurt.
We wouldn't have gotten Trump in both times without you.
The enemy knew that, and that's why you were target number one.
We saw Charlie Kirk the last six months being the number one target other than Trump in the corporate media and by the Democrats.
And I said publicly, Charlie Kirk, need to pray for him because he's in a lot of danger.
And for people that spend all their time criticizing him because on foreign policy disagree with him, that wasn't his job.
His job was getting people registered to vote Republican, which isn't perfect, but it's night and day compared to the Democrats.
And that's why I'm pleased that I follow my gun instinct and didn't join the bandwagon to attack Charlie Kirk.
dan friesen
That's a hundred percent not true.
I mean in 2019, Alex was joining with Nick in attacking Turning Point and Charlie Kirk, and even got into an argument with his then employee Millie Weaver about his use of Nick's branding of the term conservative Inc.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Then in 2020, Owen got kicked out of CPAC, and that led to them feuding a bit with Kirk and Turning Point because they were seen as the anointed conservative media who are gatekeeping and keeping uh info wars out.
So all through that time, that he definitely was joining in.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Over time, it is fair to say that Alex softened it on Kirk, but it's shameful for him to pretend that he never got into the mud.
It's ridiculous.
jordan holmes
I mean, you know, when you see somebody like exploiting the death of just like a regular coworker in a way that's really uncomfortable, where you're like, oh, I knew him so well.
We knew each other pretty well.
And you're like, I don't know if you dude.
But whatever.
dan friesen
Yeah.
That's that's that's kind of distasteful, but it's a way of grieving a little narcissistic.
jordan holmes
Also, the stakes are about as low as they can get.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Right?
This is don't do this.
Don't do this.
dan friesen
Would you believe it gets worse?
jordan holmes
My advice to people don't do this, and whatever's going to happen next, definitely don't do that.
dan friesen
Yeah, we can all preemptively just say, don't do what Alex going to say later, even having not heard it.
So um Alex, you know, he he talked to Charlie.
Sure, pretty recently.
They were just shooting the shit about like Trump and Epstein and stuff.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
I talked to Charlie just a few weeks ago.
And about a week ago before that.
We talked about our children, we talked about our families, talked about the voting drive he was doing, talked about how Trump's doing, talked about how Trump was handling Epstein wrong.
We talked about how it didn't matter because we were creating the new generation of leaders for local, state, and federal government, and that that was the secret that long after Trump's gone, we were creating the new generation of populist Christians who will restore and empower this republic.
Now don't tell that story to run Trump down.
That was just a conversations about, yeah, we're telling Trump.
Charlie's like, man, he called me.
We talked every month or so, but he called me a few times about a month and a half ago.
He was just like, man, good job, keep it up.
People at the White House totally agree with you.
He's gotta stop saying it's uh it's a hoax.
We know he means what they put in the files that they left behind is he's the guy who blew the whistle, but my god, it's a disaster.
Yeah, you know, keep it up.
We totally agree with you.
Great, keep it up.
They were just encouraging me, and I was like, hey, come on the show, yeah.
We both got busy, didn't happen.
And he called me back about you know other stuff, but he's dead now.
dan friesen
Yeah, and it is notable that he wasn't on the show, isn't it?
jordan holmes
Pretty notable.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Almost glaring in its notability.
dan friesen
Nick was on a lot, huh?
jordan holmes
He was on a lot.
dan friesen
That's weird.
jordan holmes
Claring in the number of times he was on.
dan friesen
So the two of them agreed that Trump mishandled Epstein's stuff, but it's cool.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
Now it's cool.
dan friesen
Oh.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, the now part is pretty doing a lot of heavy lifting in the it's cool.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's disappointing.
I also don't believe any of this.
I mean, I maybe believe that they have communicated in the past, but I don't believe that they were talking once a month and he was saying, hey, Alex, love what you're doing.
jordan holmes
Absolutely not.
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes
How could you, you know, like you know those people who don't have pain who don't experience pain for whatever reason they have some sort of thing, and you're like, oh, I bet that would be but it's a horrible existence where if they get cut, they might bleed out without even knowing about it.
Yeah, like that kind of thing.
Every now and again you feel like, man, I wonder I wish I wouldn't feel so hard for other people.
Yeah, you do.
Be stoked about it.
Because otherwise you've got this.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And Charlie also he kind of feels like I I don't know what his personal relationships were like, but he seems like the kind of guy who knows, like, all right, I'm gonna keep Alex at a distance.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I smartly.
I might talk to him, but I'm never gonna be seen.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
I don't want to be seen.
Alex can come yell his catchphrase as a turning point.
Uh because Tucker said he was cool.
But uh I'm not happy about it.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
So look, here's the problem with populists.
They don't complain enough.
jordan holmes
That does sound right.
alex jones
As populist, as conservatives, as Christian, as common sense, just kind of throw back cavemen, you'd call us.
We don't want to cut our son's penises off.
We don't want world government, we don't want to die of fentanyl, we don't worship the devil.
We still fly old glory down at the courthouse.
White lightning is still the greatest thrill of all.
It's not because we haven't seen the other stuff or done the other stuff.
We just know that the classic stuff that is what we are is what is good.
It's classic because it's what works, it's what we are.
But as populists, as Christians, we're we're we're manly.
And you know, growing up with my dad and his dad and my mom, all of their they were tough.
And you complain.
Eating wine, you didn't cry with broken bone or your eardrum blown out with you know, worst pain ever.
Just you man up.
Come home, get your ass kicked when you're 10 years old by three or four bullies who are older than you.
Your dad says you better fight harder next time.
And then my dad would back me up when I put him in the hospital years later.
But the point is is that we're not victims, so we're not professional whiners like the left.
dan friesen
About 40% of Alex's show is whining.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And just complaining about bullshit.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And then an extra 20% is him talking about not complaining.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And how he doesn't complain enough.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So he can uh this is a shocking lack of self-awareness.
jordan holmes
I know I think I think uh maybe maybe the dead internet theory is is the secret.
Like maybe we're at the point now where conservatives are only ever complaining about themselves.
And they just say the left.
dan friesen
Yep.
Or yeah, uh, or and the media when they say that, they just mean Twitter.
jordan holmes
Yep.
Like it's it's like they've just they things have funneled so tightly into a space where you're like, I don't even feel like I'm represented by what you hate anymore.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think the left does not exist to them.
It uh they have become so cloistered for the only thing that like things that pierce the or people that they can make caricatures out of Zoran Mamdani, they can make a like Muslim socialist kind of character out of him.
And so, like, ooh, we'll bring this in.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there's no like, oh, this is how you know that the left is there is because they're interested in rent control, and that's how you know they killed a guy.
No, it's like, oh, they're all these things we are.
That's how you know the left.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So listen to this clip very closely.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I I would say even Mike Down for this because there's a real subtle moment where Alex makes his Freudian slip.
alex jones
But we're not gonna forget Charlie Kurt.
We're not gonna forget all the other people the left's killed.
We're not gonna forget how they tried to kill Trump.
We're not gonna forget the poor Ukrainian rep they murdered.
Because I understand being a winner.
When bad things happen to me, I learned from it, but I don't talk about it, I move on.
Because I don't live in my bad experiences.
dan friesen
Did you say you move Owen?
jordan holmes
Move on.
When shit's going bad, I get rid of Owen.
dan friesen
I move over.
jordan holmes
Move Owen.
dan friesen
Interesting.
jordan holmes
That's funny.
dan friesen
So um when I said earlier that uh what Alex is gonna say is even worse.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
We have reached This is where we're at.
We have reached that point.
This is I mean, I don't I don't know how you could be more just a piece of shit.
alex jones
And we need to celebrate, not not not just remember Charlie Kirk and others, because oh, they killed our guy, they're bad.
No, we need to remember what he did and what he stood for.
charlie kirk
I'm Charlie Kirk, founder of Turning Point USA and Turning Point Action together, the largest conservative grassroots organizations in the country.
Thanks to our work, I talk to a lot of young people on campuses, at our events, on my radio show, podcast, and social media.
Said differently, I visit college campuses, so you don't have to.
alex jones
That's why I pledge to do a college tour and a dozens of locations the next year.
You know, we tried them before they'd protest, the schools would ban us, whatever.
I don't care if the schools do ban us, I'm going on them.
Because I can't watch his example and then have them kill him and think that intimidates the rest of us.
I have to do it.
dan friesen
I'm gonna wear your skin.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Wow.
That one physically hurts me.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah, I don't even know what to say.
I I'm I'm gonna do your thing now.
You died today, and I'm gonna do your thick.
I'm gonna steal your I'm gonna steal your bit.
There's a space in the market now for someone.
jordan holmes
I feel like the number one reason that I have now for proving that ghosts aren't real is because conservatives would be haunting the shit out of each other left and right.
Like if I'm Charlie Kirk, I'm haunting Alex.
dan friesen
Yeah, but maybe once you die, you get like that perspective where you can see how funny it is that Alex is doing.
jordan holmes
That's what I'm thinking.
I'm thinking that that's why we don't think that conservatives haunt other conservatives.
Because we don't realize that once you're dead, you have the distance to be able to look back and go like, oh, that guy was actually the fucking problem the whole time.
dan friesen
Yeah, you can you can see the mortal joke.
jordan holmes
You don't have the yeah, you don't have the like bile and the adrenaline in you that's going like, yeah, that white person's cool.
No, you're dead.
So you can be like, ah, that guy was an asshole.
dan friesen
Well, it's a lot like how the older people on the challenge aren't so violent because they have low testosterone.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
CT's got a gut.
It's too we can't be violent.
I'm not that quick.
dan friesen
The testosterone levels have dropped.
unidentified
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Everything is a little chiller.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
When these racist dicks become ghosts, they don't have those chemicals and stuff in there.
jordan holmes
I appreciate getting older for that reason.
I like not having those things.
Alex is older than me.
Fucking get a handle on yourself.
dan friesen
I think it's a supplement.
jordan holmes
It's probably the supplements.
dan friesen
And by supplements, I mean drugs.
jordan holmes
We should do we should do drugs, is what we're saying.
dan friesen
So um Alex he talks a little bit more about uh his plan to wear Charlie's skin around.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
So I I had talks with Kirk about how he thought they were gonna kill him.
jordan holmes
No, you didn't.
alex jones
So but he lives forever, folks.
Viking king, sword in his hand.
And I don't say that as a bravada.
I say it that I strategically held back.
All of us.
You might just be a local doctor or a or a or a dentist or a school teacher, whoever you are.
You should go speak your city council cash, but you're not gonna kill you.
Once you get big, they'll try.
All of us.
Remember the FBI coming after conservative Catholics criticizing DEI and all that stuff.
Remember coming after parents that were protesting?
That's because they they're scared of you.
So don't let Charlie Kirk's death be in vain.
They were scared of that.
Let's do more of that.
But I commit to you.
I'm doing the Charlie Kirk celebration tour.
Because I can't let somebody out there put more skin in the game than me.
It's not a competition.
It's about an example.
About a challenge.
And it's about them not intimidating us.
dan friesen
Um, this is about your feelings, and you are gross.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
I kind of hope he does do this or plant get like through the planning stages and put a lot of money into it, and then the family sues the shit out of him or something.
jordan holmes
That'd be a delight.
dan friesen
Can't call your fucking thing the Charlie Kirk tour.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
I mean This is on the same day.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this is the same day.
This is not like, oh, I've had some time to think about this.
Here's a way to memorialize.
dan friesen
This is impulsive.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
It's gross.
jordan holmes
When you okay, so if you're watching like naked and afraid, or something like that, you know, and they see they show you a carcass and it's being eaten by the by the wild.
You know, there's bacteria, there's bugs, there's there's scavengers, there's little things, there's all of this stuff going on, right?
What if instead it was just one giant hideous mucus-covered fungus that just landed on top of it and sucked everything of value out of it and then bound it off to Do it again to somebody else.
That's basically what I'm watching.
dan friesen
Right, but actually you're not, because that that fungus or whatever you're describing doesn't have the ability to be disrespectful.
jordan holmes
Right, right, all right.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
There's an added layer.
jordan holmes
It's not an attitude.
It's a fungus with an attitude, like, also I don't care.
Like, fuck you.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I'm I died to feed you.
At least care.
dan friesen
I'm a fungus that's kind of a dick.
jordan holmes
Oh, you're a prick fungus.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I'm gonna pretend to be you in your honor.
jordan holmes
Oh my god, what an evil piece of shit.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
You couldn't make a movie character do that.
Like every time they make Go ahead, sorry.
Oh no, I'm just saying every time they have like a a fucking uh Spider Man, you've got your your J.K. Simmons doing the whole thing.
It's like, no, no, you don't fucking know.
dan friesen
Yeah, you the parody is to fit this movie.
Yeah.
The version of a real parody of him does not belong in any proper movie.
jordan holmes
Anywhere near a movie.
dan friesen
No.
No, no, no.
I will I will say this.
Ooh, I don't know if I want to say this.
jordan holmes
Go ahead and say it.
Too late now.
Or we can edit this part out.
dan friesen
I think I would follow him if he goes on a college tour.
jordan holmes
Are you committing?
dan friesen
I'm not committed.
But I think I might show up and just like get high at all of the campuses.
jordan holmes
We gotta do something.
dan friesen
I don't even smoke weed, but it would be like a going back to college kind of thing.
jordan holmes
I mean, if we're all gonna steal something from Charlie Kirk, let's do drugs.
dan friesen
If we we should tailgate at Alex's college tour.
Look, I regret that I didn't go on the caravan.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Like I didn't go along with the caravan.
So I if this happens, I do have to make up for pest mistakes.
jordan holmes
I I I would bet a lot of money that you'll be safe.
But who knows?
dan friesen
I don't think he's gonna follow through with this.
But if he does, I would love to just show up at each stop and give him a my man.
jordan holmes
Here's how much I will here's how much I will bet.
dan friesen
I will finance the I won't I won't argue with him or do anything like except for yell my man.
jordan holmes
Yeah, my man.
Alright.
Hey.
dan friesen
So uh Alex signs off and gives a salute uh to Charlie.
unidentified
Oh my god.
dan friesen
And uh yeah, it is it is what it is.
alex jones
So I'm just proud to know Charlie Kirk.
And we salute him for everything he did and the hard work he committed to, and he lives forever.
And we finally have ch turned the page in this chapter of the world being so dark and and fighting this generation's tyranny.
We'll look back and he'll go down the history books as one of the top generals in the fight for America and the future of the world.
For myself, the whole InfoWars crew and the entire audience.
Charlie Kirk, the answer to 1984 is 1776, and you've got a salute from me, brother.
You're a real man and example to all of us, and we won't let you down.
dan friesen
And then he plays three minutes of ads.
The fitting tribute.
Like somewhat speechless, uh it feels.
And I I can understand why.
I mean, it's just a disgusting display of uh of a person.
Like I never I'm never super comfortable with you know, especially in the immediate aftermath of something like this happening.
Yeah, because it's so out of hand, it's so out of control, and the the pieces of it are moving in such a way that like whatever information was available when we started recording might be different than what is when we're done.
unidentified
Absolutely.
dan friesen
And so it's it's really easy to make assumptions and get out ahead of yourself.
And I don't want to do that, so it's it's tough.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But this it really feels like it's important, and at the same time, I I can't believe what Alex is doing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I've I've watched this guy for a decade and been shocked.
And I I've made many jokes about will he ever find the bottom.
And I don't know.
Because I'm I'm surprised by this.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
I'm surprised how distasteful this is.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think maybe we got lulled into a false sense of security because he was just so shitty.
dan friesen
And sober.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
That you're like, well, I hadn't Really considered plumbing the depths of how awful you could be sober.
dan friesen
Yeah, no, I I do think that there was a boring period and uh and it might have uh maybe we just needed a reminder of like what an exploitative piece of shit this dude is.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Um so we got it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I just I I feel for I feel for people pre-watching this, you know.
And then I feel if people can't see this and step into the light, uh then what but then you're you're there, man.
That's where you are, and that's where you're going to stay.
Because probably too late.
That's just that's just that.
If you can't see that, I don't know what to show you.
dan friesen
Yeah, and that's another element of this that makes me like slightly uncomfortable because at a certain point this episode kind of does feel like me just being like, hey, look at this awful person.
And you know, playing clips and it it could have the feeling of being being like, I'm better than this guy.
And I know I don't want to wallow in that or dwell on that.
But like to some degree, you can just play this and look at it and be like, well, it speaks for itself how yeah, how awful this is.
jordan holmes
If there is anything that we should all say, again, like this is this is such a such a Harrison Smith talking shit moment, you know, like regardless of all the shit people talk, if there's anything that we can do as a society, it's be better than that.
dan friesen
True.
jordan holmes
And it shouldn't even be that hard.
dan friesen
It's a low bar.
jordan holmes
Harrison can pass it.
dan friesen
Yeah, and he kind of did.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
A little.
jordan holmes
A little bit.
dan friesen
Yeah.
If only because uh uh Stuart Rhodes took over.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
He because he was mercifully cut short.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So we'll be back with another episode, hopefully one that people can do foreplay to as opposed to this bummer.
unidentified
Boo ba.
dan friesen
But uh until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
Indeed, we do, it's knowledgefight.com.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
We'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm DZX Clark, and the mysterious professor.
alex jones
Woo!
unidentified
Yeah!
Woo!
Yeah!
Woo!
jordan holmes
And now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy and Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
andy in kansas
Hello, Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your work.
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