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#1075: September 3, 2025

In this installment, Dan and Jordan tackle the first episode of the POI (Post Owen Infowars) Era, where Alex continues to complain about his buddy leaving and contemplates cutting off his leg to stick it to China.

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alex jones
23:02
d
dan friesen
52:58
j
jordan holmes
25:06
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kirk elliott
01:51
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alex jones
Knowledge fire Dan and Jordan Knowledgefight.com.
It's time to pray.
I have great respect for Knowledge Fight.
Knowledge fight.
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys.
Shang me or the bad guys.
Knowledge and fight.
unidentified
And endure.
Knowledge fight.
Need money.
Need money.
alex jones
Andy and Panzer.
Andy and you're Andy and Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
And Andy.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're only here.
Thanks for the link.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a thick cam calling here at your fan.
alex jones
I love your room.
unidentified
Knowledge fight.com.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes.
Like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today, buddy?
dan friesen
Why don't you go first?
jordan holmes
Well, I think mine is fairly obvious.
alex jones
Welcome back.
jordan holmes
The uh New York Mail or mayoral rate is basically beaten up.
dan friesen
You got a first hand glimpse.
It's on the ground politics.
I know that you did some man on the street interviews talking to people about Cuomo.
jordan holmes
Uh no, it wasn't Cuomo.
It was uh uh uh what what's his name?
dan friesen
Mom Donnie?
jordan holmes
Yes, Mom Donnie.
That's what it is.
Because he was on a town hall with Bernie Sanders, and they were talking about stuff that real people think is important.
dan friesen
Good.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that was good.
It's it's good.
dan friesen
As a as a resident of Chicago, the New York mayor is important to you.
jordan holmes
Huge.
You know me.
I've always been like a big mayor head.
Uh I was just like mayors all across the yeah, yeah.
No, uh the US Open was great.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It was fantastic time.
dan friesen
You had a nice trip.
jordan holmes
Yep.
Fantastic.
dan friesen
Couldn't have gone better.
jordan holmes
Could not have gone better.
Everything we we Mr. McGood our way through everything where it just seemed like as long as we just move forward and don't bother anybody, everything will go smooth.
And it did.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It was perfect.
dan friesen
You're not gonna fall off the side of this building because the beam is gonna land.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
It just goes right there, and we just keep walking.
As long as you as long as you don't stop.
Because once you stop, then stuff is gonna hit you.
You just gotta keep going.
dan friesen
I can't imagine that Mr. McGoo is a relevant reference for anybody.
jordan holmes
Do you mean do you mean a cartoon that was irrelevant when I was young?
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
I think I think that is a three generations removed cartoon that I really like.
Jim Backis, ladies and gentlemen.
Is anybody want to really get into Tex Avery's uh they make a Mr. Magoo movie?
jordan holmes
Uh they could not possibly what could possibly sustain a movie for Mr. McGoo.
dan friesen
Him doing a bunch of crazy dumb shit.
Mr. Beaning it up, but he's also an old man who laughs around a little bit.
jordan holmes
I feel like he's got one defining characteristic.
He's blind and he moves forward.
dan friesen
Um yeah, no, but you see, is he blind?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Isn't that the idea?
dan friesen
I guess he is.
jordan holmes
Well, well, he's not fully blind.
I guess that's why it's okay for us to not make fun of him or or something.
dan friesen
Yeah, there was a movie.
jordan holmes
What happened?
unidentified
Um was it live action?
dan friesen
It's starring Leslie Nielsen.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
dan friesen
From 1997.
jordan holmes
Wild.
dan friesen
A myopic billionaire defeats Jewel Smugglers in his usual bumbling manner.
That's the description on IMDB.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
dan friesen
Uh Mr. Magoo, a nearsighted elderly gent whose visual impairment leads him on all sorts of adventures and odd situations.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That's uh another description.
jordan holmes
I appreciate again that the plot around which this entire character is based is that he cannot see well, and so things happen.
dan friesen
He's nearsighted, so he gets into all sorts of scrapes.
jordan holmes
I think that's why I've I have just identified with him my entire life, is I am also very nearsighted, and I get into a lot of scrapes.
dan friesen
It's I'm seeing I'm looking up this uh this movie.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
And we also are featuring Ernie Hudson.
jordan holmes
Hell yeah.
dan friesen
Steven Taubolowski and Malcolm McDowell.
All three people who featured on heroes.
jordan holmes
Do you know what I like about Malcolm McDowell in that era?
dan friesen
He'll do anything.
jordan holmes
Everywhere.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He will be anywhere.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
He was great.
dan friesen
He was available.
Um yeah, he he played Mr. Linderman on heroes.
Just re-watch that.
That was a lot of fun.
jordan holmes
I believe you.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
What was your bright spot?
dan friesen
Um, I don't know.
Uh I got uh you know, I got to re-watch heroes while you were gone.
Hence why I have Steven Tobolowski, Ernie Hudson, and uh Malcolm McDowell on the brain.
Um no, it's uh that that was fun.
I got uh I took a little bit of uh me time while you were on your trip to New York and just did some dumb shit and checked out of the uh the InfoWars world.
jordan holmes
Nice.
dan friesen
Like I've told you before we started recording, I dipped my toe back into Path of Exile 2.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'm having some fun with that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Watched heroes.
Uh yeah.
jordan holmes
No, it's great.
It's it's funny that there's this weird incentive I have to take vacations because as long as I'm gone, you will finally not be listening to InfoWars.
So it's uh it's a dual purpose thing.
I get to not be here and I finally get you away from the it's like a mental health break.
dan friesen
Well, it's you have an opportunity for me to get away from it.
I don't always take that opportunity.
jordan holmes
That is true.
dan friesen
But this time I did, and um yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Nice.
dan friesen
Good times.
jordan holmes
Good times.
dan friesen
But now we're back.
jordan holmes
We are back.
dan friesen
Yes, we're back.
And uh we were spoiled uh right before your trip.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
With uh with a wealth of Owen Troyer has quit and everyone has feelings about it content.
unidentified
Yep.
Yep.
dan friesen
Um and now we're back to the real world.
We're you know, the dust is settled.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Uh we're gonna be talking about September third, twenty twenty five today.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And that is the next day.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
This is day one of post-Owen InfoWars.
jordan holmes
We've moved on.
We're in the P.O. box, if you will.
Okay.
dan friesen
We're we're in poi.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Post-Owen InfoWars.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Uh jam up that tarot route.
We're making poi.
jordan holmes
We're making poi.
All right.
dan friesen
Um, so we'll uh check in and see how Alex is emotionally dealing with the fact that his buddy is gone.
jordan holmes
Probably great.
dan friesen
He's so good.
unidentified
He's cool.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Doesn't care at all.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Um but first, before we get into this, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, welcome to the family, Tapache, and good luck for this winter season on the slopes of Nasico.
Your wonderful little rabbit deer monster, and you'll help Tom in Tokyo karate chop Alex right in the neck if you ever dare show his face out here.
Pull up, fess up, and don't be a fuck up.
Thank you so much.
You're an outpology wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
I believe that they karate chop you in China when you get off the plane.
jordan holmes
Some places.
dan friesen
Yeah, this is the lore is wrong here.
jordan holmes
Not everywhere.
dan friesen
Not in Tokyo.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
Completely different.
dan friesen
Uh next, come to Atlanta, you Yankee cowards.
Thank you so much, you're an Iopolsy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
I'm gonna come and find those pyramids.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
It we this will happen eventually.
jordan holmes
It's probable.
dan friesen
Uh next, safe in the tentacles of Jesus.
Thank you so much.
You're an Iopolic wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And we had Technocrat in the mix, Jordan.
So thank you so much to the big black bug bleeds black blood.
Fuck the government, support fine folks like Jordan and not the landlords like Hassan Piker.
Love from a knowledge fighter in China.
Thank you so much, you're now technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars go on to him on and tell you brilliant.
alex jones
Someone someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
Daddy Sharp.
Bomb bomb bomb bump.
Jar Jar Minksh has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser, little little kitty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
To be fair, I just want to be clear.
I cold read these uh shout outs that Jordan sends me.
I don't know enough about Asan Piker to have a strong feeling.
Please do not take that as a sentiment that I want to start a fight with him.
I don't know anything.
jordan holmes
Here's what I take away from this is that if we do a live show in China, there will be people who are waiting and they will karate chop us.
dan friesen
I think I was Tom from Tokyo with the karate chop.
The China person, uh the the Chinese listener uh was they know what they're doing.
Uh Hasan.
jordan holmes
They're ready.
They're ready.
Oh.
It's always there.
It's always available.
dan friesen
Um, yeah, so I guess we'll be in uh Wuhan and Atlanta in the future.
jordan holmes
That's possible.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So um, like I said, this is the first day of uh the rest of Alex's life.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Right.
Uh it's just him and Harrison left.
Uh bunch of losers hanging out on a sinking ship.
Uh but I think that Alex tries to be poised.
And he tries to be like, well, I have a job to do.
jordan holmes
Right.
I yeah.
dan friesen
So let's do a show.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
They had ninety-eight point nine percent until Trump got back in.
And in just seven months, now it's down to about ninety-seven.
By the end of the year, there's gonna be about ninety percent control.
dan friesen
He's talking about the Chinese government and control of the rare earth minerals uh in the world.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Then another year at acceleration rates, it'll be in the 70s.
So that is something very strategic Trump's doing.
And for new listeners or folks that are leftists or whatever.
Minerals is all of the different alloys and all the all the different compounds and all the different uh things that go into electronics.
jordan holmes
The rare ones.
alex jones
And China has 97% control.
dan friesen
So from that clip, I really feel like Alex knows what rare earth minerals are.
He definitely doesn't sound like someone who's decided to condescendingly explain something and then immediately realized he doesn't know what he's talking about.
Rare earth minerals are a group of seventeen metallic elements that are generally used in technological applications.
Their name is kind of misleading because they all aren't super rare.
Some of them are, but they're not all uh crazy rare.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
They're all just structurally similar to an element called a lant uh lathanium or lathanum.
Scientists were working uh on a newly discovered ore and trying to isolate cerium, and in the process they discovered l uh lanthanum.
Uh so it got its name from the Greek verb that means to lie hidden.
That's what lanthanum comes from.
unidentified
Gotcha.
dan friesen
Uh the elements that have similar properties to lanthanum are likewise seen as sneaky, like they're hiding behind other elements and compounds, which is where the name rare earth uh elements comes from.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
Rare uh like uh like hidden as opposed to rare as some of them are super common, like cerium, but they're difficult to extract and refine into usable forms.
China has absolutely cornered this market, partially through some pretty exploitative deals with foreign countries, but also through a lack of robust competition.
The only example Alex gave in his uh clip there was silver, which isn't a rare earth mineral.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
All of the rare earths uh their silver in appearance, which is where this confusion probably comes from, and Alex sells silver.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
It's on the brain.
dan friesen
Rare earth mineral production and refinement is an expensive process and one that no one really wanted to do.
It wasn't worth the investment when these things didn't have profitable applications, so China was able to build up what is now an effective monopoly over the course of decades.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
In the eighties, there was less need for elements that would make iPhone screens possible.
So there weren't a ton of people trying to fight China over what appeared to be an investment that wasn't making a good return.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Like countries just kind of got into a place where it's like, well, that's a money hole.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And if China is gonna make enough of these things at a loss for them that we can still buy the thing from them.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That's worth it.
Right, right.
It's perfectly explainable through market forces.
jordan holmes
I bet this will never come back to bite us.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex is just making up numbers about China's control over the rare earth mineral market, going from ninety-eight percent to ninety-seven percent.
That's all just bluster.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
It was announced recently that China's exports of rare earths dropped three point four percent in August 2025, which may be what Alex is basing these numbers on.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But that's not taking into account that prior to that dip, China's rare earth exports hit record highs in July, going up 14.5% year over year from 2024.
In effect, their rare earth exports have increased since Trump took office, and Alex is reporting the opposite because he's a liar.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Um I mean it's a complicated issue.
It's it's not like uh it's not something that you know, a lot of things that Alex talks about are like, well, you don't even need to ever think about this.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But the the way that the you know, Chinese companies and you know, the government's influence through those companies has a pretty solid lock on a lot of these minerals.
No, I think that is it's it's a relevant world issue.
jordan holmes
No, it's it's I mean, I d I thought I've it's probably never gonna be relevant to me, uh, on account of my uh inability to understand most of it, but I find it very interesting.
I find it interesting nonetheless because it is one of those like how about that kind of stories of there are there's just a way things work, and then this unfolds, and now here we are, and we're like, ah, I wish it had gone differently.
It's fun.
dan friesen
It's not a world unending crisis, and it's not like, oh my god, China owns all the water.
Like we will have no water if they decide to not let us have some.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Um, but it is uh, you know, at least in terms of markets and production, it is kind of like a somewhat maybe we should, you know, diversify that market a little bit.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
I don't know.
What does it mean we pay fifty dollars more?
I guess that I mean that sucks.
I don't know what it I don't know what it actually does.
You know, right?
Like, I don't know what any of it actually means.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex is thinking about China and how they're screwing us over on every turn.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
And it just so happens that, you know, X got caught on a hot mic.
jordan holmes
Uh-oh.
dan friesen
Uh, and Alex is pretty excited about it.
jordan holmes
Okay, okay.
alex jones
Now G J Ping got caught in a hot mic, making a very vampiric statement to Vladimir Putin.
Talking about we have the video with subtitles about how we're gonna live forever.
Immortality through organ harvesting.
Replace it.
jordan holmes
Now we're talking.
alex jones
The organs.
She muses on living to 150 in rare hot mic moment with Putin.
Now again, I haven't been to the doctor about my Achilles in four years.
It was 80% blown then, it's 100% now.
I did have a doctor look at it, but I haven't been there to set up surgery.
jordan holmes
Wait, what?
alex jones
And I uh walk around Achilles ten and they don't believe until they actually see it on my right leg.
And I went to all his daughters, most of them said they won't even do the surgery, it's so reconstructive, so I waited so long to fix it.
Tenant's dead.
And I found one pretty prestigious one.
He's the top guy in Austin or close to it.
He said, I'll do it.
But he said, We're gonna you know that you don't want to use tissue out of the US, you want to use it out of China.
It's got the clean, fresh, good tissue.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
And I went, you mean a cadaver?
Achilles tenant.
He goes.
It's lab grown.
And I looked at him and I said, No, it's not.
He said, Do you want your leg fixed or not?
dan friesen
It this has the same energy as the guy who's like, don't pop those air bubbles.
Uh packing uh stuff is made in China that's Chinese air that's in those bubbles.
unidentified
Yep.
Yep.
dan friesen
Um so this is a fascinating story that Alex is telling, and I can't imagine how he runs into so many colorful characters all the time.
It's almost like he's making up almost everything about his life.
All these demons popping up and harassing him, all the prestigious doctors trying to get him hooked on that primo Chinese leg tissue.
jordan holmes
That's the stuff.
dan friesen
Alex got distracted uh while telling this story because uh he was talking about this hot mic moment uh where Z said that he was gonna become immortal through organ transplanting.
And in fact, that's one of the main headlines of the episode that Alex is doing.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Quote, she caught on a hot mic discussing o harvesting organs is the InfoWars title.
jordan holmes
That's good.
That's solid.
dan friesen
I thought that was an interesting headline because this hot mic moment that was caught, uh it was between she and Putin, but the coverage here seems to be really stressing the she part of it.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
And that's weird because it was Putin who was talking about organ harvesting.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, hey, you know, you one dictator says one thing and you say the other one says it, nobody's gonna think too hard about it.
dan friesen
So from Reuters, quote, as Putin and G walked toward the uh Tiananmen Rostrum where they viewed the parade with Kim, uh Putin's translator could be heard saying in Chinese, quote, biotechnology is continuously developing.
The translator added, after an inaudible passage, quote, human organs can be continuously transplanted.
The longer you live, the younger you become, and you can even achieve immortality.
Putin's translator was saying that in Chinese because they were translating what Putin said to G. Right, right.
Putin's translator wouldn't be talking in Chinese to convey something she said to Putin, or else why would you need a translator, though?
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
dan friesen
I watched the video and it's very clear that Putin is talking in Russian and the mic doesn't pick up what he's saying.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then immediately afterwards, the translator says the stuff about organs in Chinese to G. Wow.
The only way that Alex could report that she was saying this is if he's too lazy to look into any details about the story, or he's so ideologically bent on supporting Putin that he can't tell the truth about how this conversation happened.
jordan holmes
It has to be.
dan friesen
And either way, you're getting bad information from Alex about this hot mic moment.
jordan holmes
You know, I listen, I respect maybe there's it maybe there's a union.
Maybe there's a code.
Maybe there's something about being a translator that I don't understand that has a sort of like hardlined ridge of where and when and what to do.
But if I'm a translator and anybody I'm translating, specifically one who might have the ability to do something like this is like, you can always transplant organs and maybe live forever.
I'd be like, I gotta kill you right now.
dan friesen
The older you get, the younger you.
jordan holmes
Why did you tell me this information?
Shouldn't you have like a translator?
Shouldn't you have a a a mechanical translator if you're gonna be like, I'm gonna live forever by sealing this guy's organs, right?
dan friesen
You know that uh that uh first do no harm.
You know that kind of rule.
jordan holmes
That's the translator.
dan friesen
There should be a translator version of that, which is first don't say crazy shit.
jordan holmes
Oh crazy.
Don't say don't say crazy shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
If you're translating between two, let's say authoritarian dictator types at a military parade.
jordan holmes
Right.
Right.
dan friesen
Maybe don't translate the crazy shit.
jordan holmes
You know what?
I'm gonna let this one go.
dan friesen
I think that when it comes to harvesting organs to make yourself eternally young, yeah.
Let's let the language gap make it harder for these two to work together on that.
Let's not facilitate this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's huh.
How about that?
dan friesen
So Alex has a bad Achilles.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And this doctor wanted to give him Chinese tissue.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
And uh, like I think that Alex is burying the lead here because this doctor is smuggling organs.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And Alex doesn't seem too concerned about that.
jordan holmes
Well.
alex jones
And then I go to one of the, you know, top or the Pedic surgeons.
And he's just honest.
He's like, Yeah, I gotta deal with China, ship it all in.
And where do you think it's coming from, boys and girls?
These folks are getting prepped and ready with hoods over their head to be taken to the medical center.
Just came out what, four years ago.
So this is the real dilemma that we all face.
I'm seriously concerned.
We all face it at whatever point just cutting my right leg off as a symbol of commitment.
I'm serious, and I'll just put a peg leg on it.
In fact, I'm probably gonna go with amputation.
That's probably the best policy.
In fact, I'll have him film it, I'll put it on TV.
Because everybody needs to understand the commitment to this, because I already killed a bunch of my kids back when I was rationalizing it when I was a young man, and you believe the lie that it wasn't a human or it was a blob of tissue, and of course now I know that's not true, and I repented 30 plus years ago, and but I I'm just always committed that I'll never kill another one of my children.
And that's a pretty simple thing to say you're gonna do, right?
No hero there's well then would you kill somebody for their organ?
dan friesen
Please cut off your leg.
Please do that.
It would be so cool.
jordan holmes
It would be.
dan friesen
Like, think about like the C C P would probably just step down from power.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Why would you there's a man who cut off his own leg.
dan friesen
That defiance is such a powerful image.
jordan holmes
I mean, okay, look, you've got a man who's w ready and willing to peg leg to save I I uh how many unnamed Chinese people with bags over their head apparently having their organs removed on the regular.
I see like a line uh uh and a conveyor belt.
They're just getting too good at it.
But here is this man.
Walking, nay.
dan friesen
Hobbling.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
I think I uh first of all, I think there's something kind of right about old Alex having a peg leg.
Yeah, I think there's something right about that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And not not like uh, you know, a prosthetic replacement limb or anything.
It's gotta be a wood, like a broomstick.
jordan holmes
Old timey black beard, we're talking full-on pirate shit.
dan friesen
Yeah, I I I'm I'm into this.
I'm so into the idea of Alex as a sign of how sorry he is about abortion.
Yep, cutting off his legs.
jordan holmes
I'm really into it.
It would make me respect him a lot more.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Alex, you ought to win me over cut off your leg.
jordan holmes
Not a ton more, but at least a leg more.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, so the news at the core of this here is that she and Putin were caught on that hot mic discussing organ transplants.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And the kind of content that you get on Alex's show about it is him ranting about how his integrity won't let him fix his leg with possibly stolen tendons, so he's gonna give himself a peg leg as a political statement.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
In the process, he also made clear that his doctor is involved in an illegal organ smuggling operation.
Probably he isn't too concerned about blowing the whistle on that.
It's almost like he doesn't think about calling the police about this doctor because he's making up the whole organ smuggling part of this story.
Um in grandstanding about how he's gonna cut his leg off.
He's gonna do shit.
jordan holmes
I do like I do like the original conversation because there are some parts of it that I can believe.
Uh, such as him being like, it's lab grown.
And Alex would be like, no, it's not.
And then the doctor being like, Do you want the leg or not?
You know, do you want listen?
We're about to I know you.
I'm not gonna do the thing that you want to do right now.
Yeah do you want me to do the surgery, or do you want to go away?
dan friesen
Come downstairs and let's see the fish human legs that are growing with sad eyes in the tank.
Yeah, come on, man.
jordan holmes
Alex said it like that was that was the sinister part, and no, that sounds like exhaustion to me, and that's thoroughly believable.
dan friesen
It's but yeah, it's believable that someone's annoyed with it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
100%.
dan friesen
So um Alex has been getting some heat, obviously, because Owen left, sure, and then he screamed on air about it.
jordan holmes
He did cry, baby.
dan friesen
It'll yeah, and so he's he's been getting a little bit of feedback and he's upset.
jordan holmes
Oh.
alex jones
It's so fetishized in the West, because we know our establishment, we know our elite.
They're completely out of control and evil.
To just bash our politicians and leaders who need to be kept on a short leash and you know, put sent to prison for what they've done and things like that.
But the world's a very small place, so we don't really talk about China.
All these other tyrannical systems that are affecting us, because I notice whenever I talk about it, I see comments on InfoWars, comments on X, you name it.
It's not a lot of people, but it's still a sizable minority.
Why aren't you talking about the Jews?
I mean, I can talk about weather weapons and and and banning geoengineering and Bill Gates' plan.
And literally, there'll be a third of the comments sometimes.
Why are you coming up for the Jews?
dan friesen
Alex is feeling a little attacked about this at the moment because Owen Schreuer just quit, and a lot of the response that he's undoubtedly seen on social media is people saying that Owen was too critical of Israel, so Alex fired him.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
There have been a lot of variations on that theme, and it's clearly in Alex's head.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's something that's getting to him.
jordan holmes
Not complicated.
dan friesen
And if I were Alex, I would get ready to hear a whole lot more of this kind of stuff.
He's let the Nazis into the house by trying to chase Nick Fuentes' clout, and that's gonna come with the price.
Like the kind of people, the kind of audience that you're courting by being buddies with him, yeah, are people who are gonna demand that you be a Nazi or they're gonna complain that you're not a Nazi enough.
That's the game that that's what you accept when you ask them to buy your pills.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Absolutely.
You have joined an organization that is based, I mean, I guess entirely around purity.
alex jones
Yep.
jordan holmes
Don't be surprised that you're getting tested.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
jordan holmes
It's gonna be a constant thing.
dan friesen
Don't be surprised that you will fail that.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
You will never be pure enough.
That's the idea behind the test.
alex jones
Yep.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Jeez.
dan friesen
Let uh let the let the kid in the house and now he's letting in all his friends and who could have seen this coming.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But I I think that uh, you know, if you scroll through some of the comments on um on whether it's Owen's video or Alex's videos, very so much of that shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And, you know, it's not surprising.
jordan holmes
People, man.
dan friesen
Damn.
jordan holmes
Just just still doing it.
dan friesen
Yep.
So uh there's some news in uh Trump world.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Uh you know.
jordan holmes
What is he doing?
unidentified
Do great.
dan friesen
So cool.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Uh one of the cool things that he did was he blew up a boat.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry?
dan friesen
Did you hear about that?
jordan holmes
No, he blew up a boat.
dan friesen
Yeah, he blew up.
jordan holmes
Wait, what?
dan friesen
Yeah, Venezuelan boat.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
You know, Trump blew up this vessel that they tracked and knew who it was and were surveilling on the ground when it left, and they knew that it was the government-backed TDA narco-terrorist designation.
They've killed millions of Americans, and so Trump killed them.
Because they were trying to come into our waters.
And I think it's a hundred percent in his power.
I mean, that is a weapon system.
They tracked it, they knew they were loading it, they knew it was the gang.
They know what they bring in on the boats, the fentanyl, bringing in enough fentanyl to kill millions of people.
Boom, eliminate the threat.
dan friesen
So Trump posted a video on Truth Social bragging that he had blown up a Venezuelan boat that he claimed had Trend de Aragua gang members on it, and I guess Alex is cool with that.
In the real world, this is a very clear violation of international law and humans human rights conventions.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
The Trump administration has offered no evidence that this boat was full of drug traffickers, and even if it were, there's no justification for blowing it up and killing the eleven people on board.
jordan holmes
Probably not.
dan friesen
It's pretty wild that Alex is just fine with this.
If only for how much of the high ground he's giving up by signing off on it.
Even if you support the idea of killing alleged drug traffickers, this is a pretty simple this level of power could get out of hand thing.
I mean, I feel like if if it's just like, oh, the president said they were trendy Aragua gang members, and he's designated them as terrorists, then like I don't know.
Why were you ever mad about Guantanamo?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like the president said they were terrorists.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like he could have killed them all, right?
I mean, by this by Alex's justification.
Like, you just lose the ability to make so many arguments here.
jordan holmes
I mean, I I'm surprised that we are all a l like, okay.
It's already gotten too far.
Because we're at the level of being like, you know what?
I think we need to explain that the president having the ability to just disappear people with a point of a button and then post a video about it on social media is good or bad.
We're we're gone.
It's too far gone.
It's too far past it.
He shouldn't be allowed to just blow people up.
That's obvious.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
For so many reasons.
dan friesen
We we should live in a world where you do that and you're immediately impeached.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and then and then the social media aspect of it, posting a video, even if even if for whatever reason, maybe I'm an idiot and you can explain it away in like a moral or ethical or legal or defensive reason or any number of those things.
In no world do you convince me that it's totally okay for you to post the video on social media after that?
dan friesen
Posting a video and being like, ha ha, look at this boat I blew up.
No That's mad king behavior.
jordan holmes
That's insane behavior.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's uh yeah, but I guess it's acceptable now, and Alex thinks it's cool and within his power.
jordan holmes
There we go.
dan friesen
So there's other Trump news.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
Um I don't know.
I don't did you watch the Epstein Survivors uh press conference.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
So a number of survivors and uh their lawyers did a press conference, along with like Marjorie Taylor Green and like Rokana.
So it was like a he's a bipartisan representation of people in Congress.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Um, and they were talking about how uh uh Representative Massey had put forth a uh uh a petition, a discharge petition to get all the information about Epstein released.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And that's what they wanted.
They wanted like this disclosure, sure.
Um, and Trump was like, you motherfuckers.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Trump was like, hey, if you people are doing this, this is an attack on my administration.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, well, yeah.
Yeah.
dan friesen
And uh that that dissonance has caused a little bit of trouble.
unidentified
Oh.
dan friesen
Um, in the in the Trump world.
People are like, why are you saying it's an attack on you to demand disclosure of the Epstein stuff?
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
Um, and so Alex is trying to thread that in his so I've never seen any evidence of Trump doing something like that.
Plus, do you think Trump, it's all about being in control and being the boss.
Do you think he would go with a bunch of people and screw kids?
Yes.
Absolutely, just doesn't fit the MO.
That said, the White House came out and said that Republicans that sign on to this legislation to release it, that they are attacking the Trump administration.
So That is a big deal right there.
White House just slam the massey Epstein discharge petition as a very hostile act to the administration.
Like let's go ahead and play that clip first with some foreshadowing.
I'm going to tell you what's going on here.
We know Bill Gates went to the island a bunch, but it's it's it's going to implicate Bill Gates and a bunch of other people, the head of Harvard.
Trump's had the CIA with the Mashad beg him to not do this.
He's made deals off this leverage.
And there are some people close to Trump in his history, not family.
And I've I've had this from sources, but don't give me the specifics, that are on the list.
So Trump thinks it's gonna be a horrible distraction, to bring down the US economy, really discredit the US, and so he's he's made that decision.
dan friesen
So in a situation like this, it's really important to think about how much tone changes the point you're making.
All Alex is doing is describing the reality in front of everyone's faces that Trump is doing some kind of cover up as it relates to Epstein.
In the past, it would have been an accusation that a politician were hiding the truth about something because it would be too embarrassing for it all to come out.
But in this case, it's an excuse.
If we just accept Alex's premise that Trump made a deal with all these deep state folks to cover up the Epstein stuff because it would be too embarrassing and destabilizing for all of it to come out, then what are we supposed to do?
What cover up couldn't be justified by people in power saying that it would be too embarrassing for all the details to come out?
Alex isn't saying Trump is covering this up because he thinks it's too embarrassing, and fuck that.
We need to demand the truth anyway.
He's covering Trump's position as if it's a good position, effectively arguing that sometimes cover-ups are for your own good.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I know I harp on this kind of thing a lot, but this dude is gone.
Like he's lost the entire point of what his character was supposed to be based on because it wasn't sincere to begin with.
He wasn't grounded in an actual truth, and the crises and pressures of the the moment are just revealing it.
jordan holmes
You know, you're just revealing how naive you are.
You're not interested in real politic.
All right.
dan friesen
Could you say could you say real politics that is I could, but it won't.
You should.
I probably sounds cool.
jordan holmes
It's got a K. Uh maybe a Q if you believe in yourself.
Uh uh No.
It is It's so funny.
It's so funny, being like, Well, I mean, listen, it's just smart.
You would make the same that's with because the implied part of that is you would do it.
dan friesen
Who wouldn't cover up nine eleven?
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Exactly.
It is the implied part of that tone, which is like we can all understand we've all been in a situation where we've made compromises that maybe didn't make us feel good.
Now, admittedly, none of those was covering up the fact that you're a pedophile billionaire.
That'll change.
dan friesen
Like Alex's whole mission and like the intro music of like his his show, the bumpers are like he gets gets behind the truth of government corruption and cover ups.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It's like he's making excuses for government corruption and cover-ups.
jordan holmes
This isn't the info war, it's the info wine, my friends.
dan friesen
It's crazy.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So um I think that Alex might realize that Trump there's some bad information that could come out.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, how can you not?
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I think that he's realizing, like, fuck.
There's a lot of people who are not gonna accept a lot of these bullshit explanations we have.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I think we're gonna have to go with false flag on this one.
alex jones
So when Trump says it's gonna hurt a lot of innocent people, and it's a big mess.
The stuff in these grand jury files and the stuff in these FBI reports, a lot of it is hearsay, a lot of it is rumor.
A lot of it is, you know, we just accept too.
Oh, all these women are victims.
Some have been proven and certified, and I I believe them overall.
jordan holmes
Do you?
alex jones
But you've also got that.
So this is a can of worms, and I've studied this deeply for decades, just this case.
The point of hating it.
Because there's so many other even bigger things out there that people don't even care about when I talk about it.
They're just cut and dry, massive.
But I am an expert on this, and literally, I I s I start just going numb when I try to integrate all the pieces of it in.
dan friesen
Alex is emotionally preparing and trying to get the audience ready to attack Epstein uh victims.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
That's the long and short of that.
jordan holmes
Without question.
Sure he believes them and he believed them for many, many years, but guess what?
Now they're lying and they're paid for by yeah.
dan friesen
Well, no, and he still believes the ones who aren't saying anything about Trump.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But the ones who are saying things about Trump.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean those things.
dan friesen
Can we believe anybody?
They've been infiltrated, this group of victims.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they probably have been paid by Epstein.
dan friesen
Right.
The globalists got to him.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Um it's insane.
It's disgusting, and I think it's a sign of what's to come.
Uh the strategies that he's willing to uh uh embrace.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's fucked up.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you just gotta because the moment you do something like that, you and this is what people like this do when they're in the wrong space, right?
He was like, Well, you know, yes, I know what I've been saying, but it looks like maybe there are people who are not Trump, but people close to Trump, not his family either, but people close to Trump.
dan friesen
Do you mean Roger?
jordan holmes
There it may be those people, which is like you're just opening a little barrier somewhat, and that means that it's gonna get open further.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And it's worse than whatever like little glimpse, you're trying to do some sort of like uh we'll control the bleeding.
jordan holmes
I'll give you a little bit of something, so you think, yeah, you know what you're talking about.
I'm not saying you're crazy or anything.
You've got something to go on.
dan friesen
I'll give you a little bit, but it's like an info pacifier that he's trying to offer, and it's uh it's kind of insulting.
jordan holmes
You just made me realize that there is nectar behind you, my friend.
dan friesen
Yeah, and and when Alex says in that clip, like I've followed this story, and you hear that tone where he's like to the point where I started to hate it.
jordan holmes
I hate this story.
dan friesen
And I think that what that feeling is is like he does hate this story.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
And it's because he's in bed with people who are the villains of it.
Like he had a perfect position uh to launch the satanic panic shit uh previously in his in his career.
His positioning was like we can attack all these people, we're cool.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Um, but now his entire like professional and political identity is wrapped up in a guy who has to cover up.
jordan holmes
I mean the irony.
dan friesen
Yeah.
alex jones
I would hate the story too.
dan friesen
I hate it.
jordan holmes
I would I would not like to I would not like to be an example of irony.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
dan friesen
I don't want damn Alanis Morissette song.
jordan holmes
Right?
Ironic things have happened, but I've never been an example where it's like, well, cut and dried.
This is the definition of irony.
Uh measure all ironic things based upon this thing.
dan friesen
Would it be ironic if Mr. Magoo could see the future?
If he had the second sight.
jordan holmes
No, I think it would be the opposite.
I think that would just be explanatory.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Because that would make sense of all the things that would be ironic if he's.
dan friesen
Oh, because that's how he can fumble through life.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Uh, because he has already seen it.
jordan holmes
Because he's already seen all that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It turns it into something more poignant, I suppose.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So uh there's other poignant news in the world that doesn't have to do with Alex, uh Alex or Owen or Trump.
alex jones
And and there's just literally dozens of other huge stories.
Ilon Omar's financial disclosure shows that in one year she had a three thousand five hundred percent increase in net worth from six million to thirty million, and of course she started out in Congress with a couple hundred thousand dollars in the bank.
You mean the daughter from a famous pirate family, pirate royalty in in Somalia?
Where human slavery and robbery and murder is the is the country's business, and they are the commanders of it.
You mean she might be a criminal?
Come on now.
That evil witch.
Absolutely insane.
dan friesen
So this is a huge story.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
If you only get your huge stories from things that get passed around on dipshit social media.
unidentified
Ah uh.
dan friesen
Ilon Omar's net worth increased dramatically between her 2019 disclosure and the most recent one, largely because she got married in 2020, and her husband runs a winery and venture capital firm.
I'm not thrilled about the idea of a politician Spouse being in the money management field because it's always gonna look a little bit suspicious, but that suspicious vibe isn't enough to prove that there's actual corruption there.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex is adding nothing to this story that you wouldn't get just from seeing the same tweet that he saw, other than the racist bullshit about Omar being pirate royalty.
Yeah.
But like, yeah, this is easily explained by she got married.
unidentified
That's tough.
dan friesen
Yeah, her net worth went up because it was a spousal uh shared I I listen, I understand the reality.
Your net worth went up when you got married.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Well, it went from zero all the way up to more than zero.
dan friesen
Yeah.
She owns a thing.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Look at all this thing she owns.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's way more than me.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Um, I I I understand the reality, but I don't think you're ever gonna make someone less cool by saying they're a pirate king.
dan friesen
Yeah, well, I you know.
Yeah, it's tough.
Pirates are tough.
jordan holmes
No, no, I know.
I know in intellectually, I know, and intellectually I can see the totality of the picture, and I can see where they fit as the puzzle piece.
Intellectually, all of these things are true.
But if you say the words pirate king to me, I am also going to see a pirate king, and you know the type that I'm talking about.
And that's gonna be cool.
dan friesen
You're thinking of like swashbuckling, of course, swinging on a rope and Tortuga.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Swelling uh score by No Masters, no kings.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I think that the image of pirate like that that comes up in your head is great.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
I think real world pirates are pretty bad.
jordan holmes
I know.
dan friesen
I think that Johnny I agree.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I agree.
dan friesen
Even back at the time that the image in your head is hearkening back to I think those were pretty bad.
Oh, like bad privateers.
jordan holmes
Oh, real bad dudes.
No good.
dan friesen
I don't I don't think it was as fun as Johnny Depp makes it look.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
I bet well, you know what?
I bet being one of the lost boys probably wasn't as fun as Peter Pan made it look.
dan friesen
You know what the problem is?
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
There's no magic.
jordan holmes
That is that does tend to be the problem.
I do agree with that.
dan friesen
Pirates of the Caribbean and that kind of stuff is really fun because there's magic.
jordan holmes
There is magic.
dan friesen
They're looking for buried treasures that have killable.
Yeah.
You know, like that's not real.
jordan holmes
You gotta have magic.
dan friesen
They were just stealing spices and killing people.
jordan holmes
Yep, yep, yep.
Anyway, okay.
dan friesen
There's other news.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Uh ICE is doing some bad stuff.
jordan holmes
I bet.
dan friesen
So Alex doesn't want to cover that.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
So we have stuff like that.
iSubtainsAxas Israeli-made spyware that can hack phones and cryptid apps.
unidentified
*laughter*
alex jones
Job Turkey Jasmine Crockett has adopted a new ghetto voice that compared to the others is absolutely different.
When she was younger, she sounds like a stepwood wife.
unidentified
Oh, hello.
alex jones
It's almost an English accent.
I'm Jasmine Crockett.
Now it's like, hey, hey, hey, I'm Jasmine Crockett.
Pretty funny.
dan friesen
That's pretty funny.
So that was a long pause there.
You might have noticed.
Seems like Alex doesn't really want to have a take on the ice doing all the police state shit that he's made documentaries about.
alex jones
Oh well.
dan friesen
I think that that clip is a perfect illustration of what Alex's show is right now.
He's supporting the guys doing the stuff that he's supposed to be against, and he can't even deny it anymore.
So he has to retreat to racist tabloid level shit about pretending a black woman's voice is fake.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Whenever he touches the big issues, Alex reveals himself to be a fraud.
Trump is covering up the Epstein stuff, but it's okay because it would be embarrassing if that all came out.
jordan holmes
It'd be rough.
dan friesen
ICE is spying on people's phones and invading privacy, but it's cool because they're only doing it to immigrants.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Every ideal that he used to pretend to hold up has been violated.
So all that's really left is this surface level racist entertainment, and it's pretty hollow.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And this obviously was like just an excuse for him to start doing some voices.
And so he does some pretty offensive voices for a while.
jordan holmes
You know what it here's what it feels like.
It feels like we're in they live, right?
But you know how in they live they have the the like slogans, and then you put the glasses on and you can see the actual stuff behind it.
At the very least, they went to the trouble of hiding the actual stuff behind it.
They went, you know what I'm saying?
And now we're living in a world where they're not even bothering to do that.
They're just it's like he might as well just be yelling, consume.
Consume, consume.
It's the same, yeah.
dan friesen
Submit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay.
I mean, okay.
I guess we're there.
That's fine.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I I for someone who likes they live.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And interviewed Rowdy Roddy Piper.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like Alex did.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Uh you'd think you'd be a little more subtle.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's like, oh, take the glasses off.
Uh but I mean it's because we don't need them anymore.
We're just gonna say the the truth at you.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex talks a bit about how the media is running a bunch of disinformation campaigns about the GOP wanting to cover up the Epstein stuff.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It's not true.
jordan holmes
Uh oh.
alex jones
That that's how they run.
This disinformation is cherry picking things out, short clips, so that people don't know what's happening.
And they went, Well, that Congresswoman or that congressman.
Why are they saying, okay, we're not gonna release it all right now, but we'll release it quickly.
They just cut there because the victims have asked us to.
But I go then find the full clip and sit there and watch it, and I have it for you.
The problem is if I show you seeing and lying and M SNBC lying, and then I show you the actual raw clip, it'll take hours.
And I gotta limit the proof.
It's just there's so much it takes hours just to watch it.
But you all saw it, you see it everywhere.
Oh, look, they don't want to release it now.
Oh, look, cover up.
I mean I've got the headlines here.
But when you actually go watch the press conference, the women said, Hold off, we want time to go over this, and then they said we will release the list.
So they're trying to kind of take control of it.
Well, how do we know these people haven't been infiltrated?
How do we know?
You know, a lot of the stuff we call them victims, I'm sure most of them are.
dan friesen
There's evidence of that, but you know, still So Alex has already made it pretty clear that Trump is trying to cover up the Epstein stuff, but it's cool.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So what he's doing now is trying to protect some of the GOP folks in Congress that he feels close to, like Marjorie Taylor Green, uh and the off chance that this uh attempt at disclosure isn't gonna work.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Um and and the you know, there's a likelihood that some of them will kowtow to Trump saying stop it.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Um and he'll need to kind of protect them.
So before this episode, a bunch of Epstein survivors had held a press conference along with some members of Congress like Green and Rokana, uh pushing for the passage of Massey's petition to release all the government's files about Epstein.
alex jones
Sure.
dan friesen
It was unambiguous that the goal was releasing everything, and it felt a bit like they were personally offended by the Department of Justice buddying up with Ghana Maxwell.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And Alex saying that they're like the the press conference was about like, hey, hold up.
Yeah, it's bullshit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's purporting to have uncovered a media disinformation campaign where they're showing incomplete statements by some GOP Congress members in order to make it look like they're trying to cover up the Epstein stuff.
But in the full context, they're just honoring the victim's wishes.
He has the edited clips and the full clips, but it would take too long to play them.
So instead, uh he's not doing that, and uh you know, if he did, he would clearly demonstrate the point that he's making in an indisputable fashion.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
There's no time.
So instead, he's gonna spend long stretches of this show doing racist accents and complaining about his Achilles tendon.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Like it makes sense.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
See, okay.
So if I have the overwhelming evidence, and you know I do, then it kind of makes the showing it to you part irrelevant.
Because I have it.
alex jones
Right.
jordan holmes
You know I have it.
So the only thing that we would both get at the end of me showing it to you is the same equilibrium we're at right now.
I would still have it and you would still know I have it, and I'm already right.
So in that case, I don't really need to show it to you at all, do I?
dan friesen
It's really a waste of time.
jordan holmes
It is a waste of time.
So you should just agree that I have it, you believe it, we'd move on.
Everybody knows that this woman's voice is blacker.
dan friesen
All he's doing, like if you listen to that clip and you listen to the tone, all he's doing is trying to create preemptive justification to attack these women.
Yep.
Like that's the entire game, he's trying to lay that track so it doesn't hit nearly as hard when he's forced to do that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it's disgusting.
jordan holmes
We're we're in a true crime documentary that has gotten past the point of stupidity.
Like there's so many true crime documentaries where you're like, oh, could it be this?
Could it be that?
Could it be this?
And then there's maybe an ambiguous ending, or maybe there's there's like we're clearly pointing towards one ending, or we're clearly we have our point of view on this.
Eventually, if you're in a true crime documentary and you're like, that guy did it.
That's the end of the document.
There can be no more uh evidence is show no, that guy did it.
We're all there.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
jordan holmes
He did it.
dan friesen
Did something.
jordan holmes
He did.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So uh somebody else who did something.
Oh, and Troyer.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He left.
jordan holmes
Yes, he did.
dan friesen
And Alex um You know, he he's uh he's upset still.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
The day before this, he was screaming on all three shows.
Right on InfoWars about how he's a snake.
This guy's a fucking piece of shit.
He's a liar.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Um and and the tone is, you know, uh the a lot of the feelings are still there.
Um, but Alex is a little mopier now.
And he's just kind of like sad that Owen was mean to him.
alex jones
And when we start the next hour, I'm gonna do an update on Owen Schreuer and why I got so mad, because it's personal.
And when I watched a lot of his five plus hour show he did Monday afternoon, evening.
jordan holmes
Still not all of it.
alex jones
Yeah, I I could see the plotting in it.
I could see what he was attempting to do, and of course it it was successful.
And I've got all the dozens of headlines.
I fired him, I'm a censor, all the stuff.
None of it true, but that's how he did it.
At least five times he said, I haven't had a race since 2018.
He would see he would then look down at his notes and go, well, let me check that.
And he'd look down on his notes and say these things.
Well, I know Alex doesn't like me criticizing Trump because he'll lose access at the White House.
But he never said I said that.
Don't lose access.
I don't even need it access to the White House.
I create the talking points in research.
I'm the dog, that's the tail.
So are you.
You're the dog.
It's the tail.
The more I bitch about Trump, the more they call up.
It doesn't work like that.
This isn't about access.
This is about truth.
And and so that's why I got so mad he called me up on the holiday and said, you know, I'm quitting.
And was very rude and and and very, you know, disperse.
Yeah, well, if you're desperate, pay me more, I'll stay.
And uh, and I and he said, Well, I guess I'll do you a favor and stay another week.
And I said, No, that's all right, Owen.
Have a nice day.
You really hurt my feelings.
Uh, we'll take care of it.
And then he spun that that, oh, I've been kicked out.
Oh, I see, I was censored.
You know, it's just it's it's disgusting.
And it's it it it it's a PR deal.
And it hurts me.
Because our integrity is everything, and the holy grail is to claim that Alex Jones is a bet bad guy.
And then I learned a lot more the crew never told me about Owen and how he's been behaving the last few years, and it was shocking.
So I'm gonna reveal it all coming up when we start the next hour.
dan friesen
This feels so weak.
Alex should just never talk about Owen on air again because this is this should be beneath him.
He's supposed to be fighting the literal devil.
He can't be taking precious time out of the show to whine about how an ex-employee was mean to him on the phone.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is so dumb.
jordan holmes
He was very rude on the holiday, Dan.
dan friesen
And Alex loves Labor Day.
jordan holmes
And he does, he supports workers' rights.
It's a it's a many, many thousands of people died to bring you the five-day work week.
And now we're just going to what?
Allow somebody to be rude to their boss.
dan friesen
I mean, it's not even a boss thing, it's my friend.
He was rude to me, and he was my friend, and I just feel hurt.
This is this is uh awful.
Also, I would say that if the more you bitch about Trump, the more they contact you, you might be being handled.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like maybe they feel the need to talk you down.
Uh it sort of, hey, let's soften the edge on this guy.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
Um maybe I would take a different message than Alex seems to be taking.
jordan holmes
Which suggests they think they can talk you down, which is you are talked downable, which means that what you have to say isn't really that important.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I think that um if past his prelude, then yeah, that's they have every reason to think that.
jordan holmes
Yep, yep, yep, yep.
dan friesen
You're just saying that it's cool to blow up boats now.
jordan holmes
You're covering up Epstein.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Lost.
Anyway, uh Alex comes back.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he does not immediately get to Owen because there's some breaking news out of Florida.
jordan holmes
All right.
alex jones
All right.
News just broke out of Florida that is spectacularly positive for team humanity and Maha and stopping Big Pharma.
And it dovetails with the historically amazing and positive and valiant activities of RFK Jr. and the huge successes dismantling Bill Gates' control of our medical system in just the last few months that's been crescendoing last week and this week.
And then it's not getting a lot of attention.
You just hear oh controversy, fights, wars, people walking out.
Kennedy's gonna kill everybody.
Kennedy's weaponized medicine, no, he's stopping the weaponization of it.
It's just fabulously good news.
Well something just happened in Florida that is a game changer.
Wait till you hear this.
This is such good news.
Now let me just stop.
Hammertime I want to apologize to the listeners and our radio stations and TV stations and everybody for the way I behaved yesterday.
dan friesen
He was apologizing.
Yeah.
I don't know why you should apologize for yelling on it.
Like it's the only thing that is interesting.
Like he should be apologizing for not going harder.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he really should ridiculous.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So the Surgeon General of Florida, Joseph Ladapo, made a big announcement that Florida was going to be the first state to make vaccines entirely voluntary.
Vaccines are already basically voluntary, so like what he was saying was the state wasn't going to allow institutions like schools to require vaccination for people to attend.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
That was fun and all the anti-vax folks got all pumped up about it.
But the rule change that he was talking about only included a couple of vaccines.
Like chicken pox, meningitis and hepatitis B. Other vaccines for like polio and tetanus they would still be required.
So this was kind of a hollow victory for these anti-vax folks.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Children are going to be severely hurt by this and public health in general will erode, possibly undoing miracles that we've been able to achieve with vaccine science.
And on top of that, these people are ultimately no closer to this fantasy goal they have of health freedom it's just it's awful.
jordan holmes
Just make up a vaccine and say that you've banned it.
You don't even need to ban real ones.
They don't care or no or understand what's happening.
dan friesen
Right.
Just start complaining about like LRNA like a completely new kind of vaccine and then ban it.
Give fake victories for these dipshits and then move on.
Yeah.
It's uh it's tough.
It's tough.
The the implications of you know the the eroding of vaccine coverage on on not just children but also on people who uh are you know compromised you know like it's it's a real fuck you to a lot of people.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And you can't ban uh requiring vaccines in Florida and not have it affect every other state.
I mean it's ridiculous the implic like you can't state lines don't matter in terms of public health.
jordan holmes
No, eventually we have to build a wall I don't think that would help.
dan friesen
I think it's time to build a wall around Florida So Alex apologized for his behavior.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Screaming about Owen and the the reality is he's just been holding his tongue for so long.
jordan holmes
Yes, of course he has.
alex jones
And I'm not going to cuss talking about it today.
It's just that I've bit my tongue about Owen Schroer the last two plus years and put up with a lot of arrogance and a lot of rudeness and not even the crew says hi to him, won't even say hi to him almost every day.
And I try to talk to him.
He just looked me up and down like I'm a pile of crap.
And that's only about 90% of the time now.
sometimes he's all going for a minute and funny and says a joke, but, you feel like it's all just a manipulation.
So I told crew you know I told Due and others in the last couple of years I said he wants me to fire him because he wants that stri's hand effect.
dan friesen
So I'm not sure if Alex realizes it, but this makes him sound a lot worse.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
What he is describing is a situation where he knew that Owen was a liar, an antisocial prick and a manipulator who was trying to get fired so he could use that victimhood against Alex.
It's one thing to discover this side of a person after the fact, but Alex is saying that he's been biting his tongue about Owen for two years.
And that's some childish shit.
Alex was the boss, and if he's biting his tongue and passive aggressively refusing to fire someone, then he's running a horrible workplace.
Alex is supposed to have been biting his tongue to not say bad things about Owen, but at the same time, he was giving him raises and Owen was hosting Alex's show a bunch.
Owen was the second in command at InfoWars, and he had the coveted post Alex time slot.
If Alex had these negative feelings about Owen, particularly that he was a liar and a manipulator, then he should not have been comfortable allowing him to continue being on air.
It seems like it's irresponsible to the audience who were supposed to be helping you fight the literal devil to expose them to him.
Now that things have gone the way they have, Alex is trying to save face, and the best way he can think to do that is to paint Owen as a bad guy.
That's fine.
And I'm sure Owen sucks, but Alex doesn't realize that any attack he tries to throw at Owen reflects poorly on him.
You can't say someone should have fired him long ago when you're the only person who didn't fire him.
At a certain point, it's on you.
You did this.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
If you're mad about this for two years, yeah, it's this is you, man.
jordan holmes
It's narcissistic psychopaths sometimes reveal by virtue of like, here's how I'm going to manipulate you into thinking that I'm a good guy, that they don't understand what make what it makes a good guy.
You know, like, oh, see, I'm the good guy.
I'm the guy who's giving this guy a job.
I'm the hero.
I'm forcing this guy to live work for me for two years, even though he wants to quit and I know it.
I've not created some weird psycho drama that makes every single day miserable.
No, I'm the good guy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Right?
dan friesen
It the the mission is so singularly to create an explanation where you come out looking good that you don't realize that the side implications of whatever excuse you're gonna come up with make you look terrible.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
And I think that he's trapped in that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And there I don't know if there's a way out, honestly.
jordan holmes
No, he's a bad guy.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think it's just inevitable.
jordan holmes
You just gotta own up to it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Owen, he quit back when uh the Onion bought InfoWars.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But then he castanzaed it.
jordan holmes
Oh.
dan friesen
He just decided to show back up.
jordan holmes
Show up, see what happens.
dan friesen
And that's not good.
alex jones
You know, he quit whenever Bloomberg said they would the onion had bought us.
And just didn't, you know, just said I'm done.
And then as soon as we didn't get shut down, he was right back, and we never even really talked about it.
He was just here.
And it seemed to only piss him off even more.
And then the crew pointed this out that on his ex account and places like that, he would melee promote his show a little bit, but never anything else we did.
He was ashamed of InfoWars.
He didn't like it.
And the more negative he got, listeners and viewers noticed it.
And the darker he got, we got constant, you know, complaints like, hey, Owen's not the same Owen.
Is he okay?
What's going on?
I just ignored it.
Because I plan with the new owners that are coming in, regardless of whatever's InfoWars ago twenty hours a day.
And I'm willing to keep Owen there.
dan friesen
In that clip, Alex is confessing to two giant managerial errors that he made that kind of help illustrate how things could have gone the way they did.
The first thing is that uh Owen quit when the Onion bought uh InfoWars, and then uh when the sale fell through, he just showed back as if nothing happened, and they never talked about it.
If Alex wants to play the role of a forgiving, understanding boss, it's conceivable that he could have given Owen his job back.
That kind of thing happens sometimes when a person quits in a fit of passion and they want to take it back, and then the you know, the boss is like, all right, it is what it is.
It's unacceptable management to not talk about it.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
If you're my boss and I quit, then show back up and act like nothing happened and you roll with it.
I have no respect for you at all.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
I've received the message that you are so conflict avoidant that I can get away with anything at work, and you're not gonna do shit about it.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
I run you now.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
And good luck getting me to do anything.
jordan holmes
Why would why would I listen to you?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Why?
dan friesen
You have shown that you are so averse to the idea of being responsible and professional That like you didn't even give me a hey man, like, hey man, like nothing.
jordan holmes
We just didn't talk about it at all.
Like, this is just a thing that happened.
Like, you just showed up and you didn't get a Owen.
What the fuck?
None of that.
dan friesen
The impulse to quit when the Onion bought it.
Totally understandable on Owen.
jordan holmes
Makes sense, totally.
dan friesen
The impulse to want to take it back, totally understandable.
jordan holmes
Practically the same thing that the whole company did.
dan friesen
The impulse on Alex's part to be like, I need you, sure.
Stick around.
Make total sense.
jordan holmes
You bet.
dan friesen
You gotta talk about it.
jordan holmes
You gotta talk about it.
dan friesen
You have to have a meeting where you're like, hey, you quit.
I'm we're gonna just pretend that didn't happen.
jordan holmes
Boundaries.
dan friesen
Totally fine.
unidentified
Yeah, boundaries.
dan friesen
You have to rebuild those boundaries.
jordan holmes
We have to set these boundaries.
These are the boundaries.
You have crossed this boundary, and I have chosen to forgive that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But these are the boundaries.
Yeah.
That's otherwise there are no boundaries, in which case, I'm fucked.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And when you don't have that conversation as a manager, you're uh sending a clear message that like it's up to you, man.
jordan holmes
Do whatever you figure it out.
Yeah.
dan friesen
The second thing that uh here uh is happening here in this clip is that uh listeners were bombarding InfoWars with messages of concern about Owen getting really dark and how they were worried about him, and Alex's instinct was to ignore it because he was gonna need Owen to fill more time once the new backers start giving him more money.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Alex isn't responding to this criticism and feedback as a competent manager, where he would see this as an indication that Owen's dissatisfaction with his job was becoming very obvious to the audience, and maybe this job wasn't a good fit for him.
Instead, Alex heard this feedback as the listeners like they were asking him to censor Owen, and he made a courageous choice by not doing that.
And instead, what he's doing is just emotionally checking out of any responsibility to be a leader.
jordan holmes
It's just no, I needed I needed hours to fill.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And he's a body, he's there.
jordan holmes
Listen, I think Owen might be self-harming.
Ah, I ignored that because I needed hours to fill, and maybe I would need more from him later.
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
Sounds shitty.
jordan holmes
That sounds like you're the good guy in this.
dan friesen
Yeah.
One of the things that I think is really interesting about the whole Owen saga is the insights that it's provided into how Alex thinks workplaces should run.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like what he appears to be presiding over is like a madhouse.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
With an idiot in charge that no one could possibly respect as like, yeah, he has outbursts, and like you're probably scared of him.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But like you're not scared of him in the way that you you fear a respectable boss.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like someone who demands the best of you.
And yeah, like, no, he might hit you.
That's probably what you're afraid of.
jordan holmes
That's probably yeah, no, more more likely you're afraid in the generalized sense of like this is somebody who I'm always flinching around, as opposed to like, oh, if I don't if I don't get this clip right, then I'm going to be in trouble, or my job is on the line, or something is important.
You're like, oh, I'll get yelled at, which is like, eh, not my not my first yell.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's an angry abusive dad as opposed to a dad who's building up and supporting and providing a good example for the people under him.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Where they can thrive.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Um, and that's uh that's his fault.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, the info war is people who work at info wars fighting each other.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And being terrorized by Alex's emotions.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So look, man, the problem was that Owen was arrogant, like Kamala Harris.
jordan holmes
Wait, what?
dan friesen
Yeah, he was that arrogant.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
The arrogance.
I mean, like, I've seen few people that can put on arrogance like this.
I mean, it's like Kamala Harris.
When you see how she's got that or Obama.
And he didn't used to be like this for about two years ago.
jordan holmes
Obama?
alex jones
He walks by and just looks at the crew, looks at you, oh.
unidentified
He'll go, just put his nose up.
alex jones
So everybody's like, man, what's his problem?
And I'm like, he's gonna quit.
He wants to be fired.
He's got a chip on his shoulder.
I don't know what his problem is.
Don't give him what he wants.
I'm busy.
dan friesen
He's too busy.
Alex is too busy.
jordan holmes
Okay.
All right.
So the second in command at my media company wants to quit.
dan friesen
Well, let's say at least like the second in command in terms of like public facing.
unidentified
Okay, all right.
jordan holmes
Let's Rob Dew is probably quote unquote second talent.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Alright.
Wants to quit two years ago.
All right.
dan friesen
Don't give him what he wants.
jordan holmes
That's your response that doesn't give him what he wants.
I'm busy.
dan friesen
Let's ride this out for two years.
jordan holmes
What does that even mean from a from a like managing strategy standpoint of like, okay, so if somebody wants something, I'm going to torture them for two years by not speaking about how I know they want it and how they know that they want it, but I'm not giving it to them somehow, even though it's all within their hands.
dan friesen
Yeah.
You know, the thing that I'm taking away from it really is that no one has tried to infiltrate InfoWars as an employee.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Um and been unsuccessful because of anything other than luck.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like bad luck, maybe you just didn't get hired or whatever, but like you could you could subterfuge this pretty easily.
unidentified
Absolutely.
dan friesen
As long as you just played emotional games along with the people who were fucking with you.
jordan holmes
I I think that might be I think that might be their ultimate uh defense against it is that it would bore you.
You'd be like, I've sabotaged it.
It's the same.
It's the same.
It's the exact same.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, like I think that someone could like they they appear like very vulnerable to someone coming in and taking information.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
But in terms of sinking the ship by being a like an a dysfunctional cog in the machine, I think that they're they're safe from that.
jordan holmes
Ship is sailed.
dan friesen
They are functional, dysfunctional.
And that's this is the kind of thing that ends up happening from that.
You have these Owen situations.
jordan holmes
It is a little bit like you know how what they're doing now, one of the only useful things they're doing with AI is like imagine things if from a point of view that just only a machine could imagine in terms of like no preconceptions like what if you built a car out of blah blah you know, all that stuff.
And it would find mathematical solutions that you would never uh can consider yourself.
Right.
Um It is like InfoWars is imagine the least capable but still functional machine that you possibly can.
Right.
And it's just a bunch of garbage, just like a caterpillar squirr, squr, square, square, just moving along and be like, but it works.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It moves.
dan friesen
Somehow it sells pills.
jordan holmes
Somehow it doesn't.
dan friesen
So in uh Owen's video, Alex was watching it and he's like, I know this motherfucker's insinuating shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But he's also hiding behind like denials.
Oh you know, saying, like, I'm not saying that Alex censored me, but also he's right.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And that pisses Alex off.
jordan holmes
Of course.
alex jones
Uh oh, and he was like, yeah, I got why he was mad.
You know, that was Christmas Trump.
He was losing his White House access.
None of that happened.
I never had that conversation.
But it was all just like I kind of got why.
And I'm like, he knows that's all gonna be taken as censorship.
But then he can deny it.
And then every hour after he said he was being censored and all this stuff, he would then say, Oh no, I wasn't censored.
But he knows how the internet works, and they're gonna pick that up and say that, because if you want to attack somebody with total integrity, like I have, that's the holy grail to finally catch Alex Jones and censoring, to finally catch Alex Jones and can you know, working for Israel to finally catch Alex Jones, you know, covering up for Trump.
And so I saw that and it was very, very painful.
dan friesen
That does sound painful.
So this was something that particularly pissed Alex off because if you accept that Owen was willing to insinuate some horrible things about Alex, but he's crafty enough to make sure that he's always doing it in ways that he can deny later if he gets in trouble.
It might make you start to ask where he learned those kinds of skills.
You start thinking about that too much, and you might start to realize that that's how InfoWars does the news.
I'm not sure what was in Owen's mind, and I'm willing to believe that he thought he was being more generous and gracious than he actually was.
But Alex is totally right descriptively about what Owen was doing.
He was saying the literal words Alex didn't censor me, and then describing situations that clearly indicate censorship, which looks like someone making an accusation and then trying to cover their ass.
The problem for Alex is that that is a hard strategy to counter.
If you totally blow up on him, it looks like an overreaction.
If you don't do anything, it could feel like you're taking these insinuations lying down and that you're weak.
alex jones
Yep.
dan friesen
There's no easy solution, but Alex's choice of path is a bad one.
It makes it look like he knowingly employed a manipulative sociopath for years at his media company as the host of his own show because he didn't want to give him what he wanted by firing him.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And that looks bad.
jordan holmes
That looks insane.
dan friesen
It looks worse than overreacting to the criticism.
It looks worse than looking weak by not responding.
jordan holmes
Right.
It it looks like someone who's but also you have to ask yourself the question of you're saying that you are not firing him, but allowing him to do whatever he wants because that's what he doesn't want you to do.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
But he's also manipulative, meaning that he is convincing you to do things by making them think that you're they're your idea.
Like can we put these together in some fa form or fashion?
dan friesen
Well, I think I think that um Alex gaslights his audience a lot by making clear statements and then trying to uh have his cake and eat it too.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Like trying to have plausible deniability with enough like I was attacked by a demon, blah blah blah or whatever.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
Well, I could say that literally or whatever.
Politically, I think, yeah, he does that enough that he sees that behavior in Owen, and he is fuels gaslit by his own strategy.
jordan holmes
Correctly.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yes, he correctly feels gaslit.
unidentified
Right.
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so his response to that is completely understandable.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Um, but calling out what Owen's doing, it's pretty risky.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
In terms of like if you you're aware of this strategy, Alex.
jordan holmes
You know, you know, at the end of the day, all he's really saying is, but you're not supposed to do it to me.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So look, Alex, he's a victim.
Uh, he put up with Owen for so fucking long, man.
jordan holmes
So long.
He's just been on because he because he wanted to psychologically torture Owen by not giving him what he wanted.
That's why he put up with Owen for so long.
dan friesen
It's one way to put it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
He's like, oh, I had a great time, great ride.
I love InfoWars.
Yeah, you just came and attacked the leader of it who's under total attack with Bloomberg and the Democrats trying to shut down, and this crew that works here that's stuck through all this when you cut and run in November and then came slinking back.
I knew you couldn't even emotionally have a conversation about it, so I just was like, okay, you're back.
Are you I gotta do network, raise money, I'm off the air.
Not a call, not worried about us, not what he can do, not speaking out about how they did this to us.
No, just I'm over here, I'm over here, I don't care.
They came in with a fake auction, did all this, and then when they tried to sit in the armed deputies and all of it, he didn't want anything to do with it.
Because he's not in the info war.
So we held our nose out of loyalty.
And put up with him.
dan friesen
I don't think that Alex realizes how much this makes him sound really bad.
If Owen was a piece of shit who wasn't in the info war for the past year or more, then Alex and everyone at the company's been lying to the audience.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Putting up with Owen isn't just putting up with an annoying employee.
You're supposed to be fighting the devil.
And if he's an asshole who's not in the war, then you're not committed to the fight either, putting up with him like this.
And again, Alex is painting himself as the world's worst boss.
He knew his employee wasn't emotionally capable of discussing the fact that he'd quit and then just showed back up for work.
So his solution was to act like nothing happened.
That's revealing that Alex is also emotionally incapable of having whatever conversation was necessary at that point, and he's the boss.
unidentified
Or maybe he's the only one who is emotionally incapable of having that conversation.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
No, I know.
They're both terrible.
dan friesen
It's his job to set boundaries and enforce them.
So this one is his responsibility because of the dynamic of worker, employee, employer, like that is a clear-cut instance where Alex dropped the ball.
If someone quits and comes back and you accept not talking about it.
jordan holmes
Nope.
I I for me, it's just so funny because it's like I can't even imagine I can't imagine working there and being somebody who watches them come in and not being like, You quit, you lunatic.
What are you up to?
Like I would be interested to know, like, let's have it out right now.
Let's what are you doing about it?
dan friesen
I imagine other employees probably did.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like I imagine some people who aren't Alex chopped the shit with him and went out for a drink and talked about it.
I imagine there's a lot of stuff that Alex isn't privy to.
But yeah, he he as as a boss, that's a failure.
jordan holmes
Crazy.
dan friesen
This clip also really sounds bad because he's saying that he put up with Owen out of loyalty for a long time, but now he's unloading.
This should make it clear to the audience that Alex is capable of that.
And maybe you're not gonna get the whole story about someone if he's invested in presenting them in a positive light.
It's essentially Alex saying that he's willing to lie, at least lie by omission, uh, and he's not supposed to be that guy.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is a contradiction of the character.
jordan holmes
It is it is impossible for all of these things to make sense if this employee is communicating with other people who are your uh customers or or whatever you like.
Your your listeners, your watchers, right?
For him to be doing this to them reveals any of this stuff that you think makes you a good boss to be actively harmful to the audience.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
So by virtue of you saying, like, see, I'm a good guy, you're also admitting, look at how I allowed this guy to abuse you for two years the same way I allowed him to abuse me.
dan friesen
Yeah, my negligence allowed somebody who was full of shit and probably a manipulator to host a show that I promoted heavily on my network for two years.
Yep.
Um, and I presented as the vanguard of the fight against the devil.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Um I allowed that person to make a connection with you.
jordan holmes
Yep.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
And uh to manipulate you in some in some some similar ways.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yep.
Yep.
And I I I uh used religion to do that.
jordan holmes
And you should think I'm the good guy here.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because Owen sucks.
jordan holmes
Because Owen sucks.
dan friesen
But the problem one of the problems.
Yeah, there's a lot of problems.
Well, but one of them is that the media is gonna hear what Owen says.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then they're gonna respond to it, and they're gonna cover his story in a way that hurts Alex.
jordan holmes
The fucking media.
dan friesen
And Alex has a perfect example of this.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
And so he thinks he's manipulating us.
I don't manipulate, I just straight shoot.
That's my superpower.
But that's why I got so mad.
And folks, I can show you hundreds of these.
I mean, just here's just a few.
Overhead shot, please.
This is salty cracker, nice guy, liking.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
Salty cracker.
alex jones
So shake up.
Alex Jones fires Owen Schroyer in ugly breakup over Donald Trump.
Massive lawsuit and plead info wars, whatever that means.
So I fired Owen.
Did you know that?
But that's how he implied it because he's like, if you really need me, I'll come in for the wig.
I'm like, no, man, that's that's okay.
You go on.
Oh my gosh, I just wanted to shake his hand after I sat there and talked to him like you know, like he was a piece of crap with a very you know, yeah.
Okay, yeah, well, I'm not coming back.
unidentified
Nah.
alex jones
I was like, whoa, is this a real Owen Schreuer?
I was sitting there going, man, plus like he's demon possessed.
dan friesen
It was just Oh man, salty cracker tweeted something.
jordan holmes
Can't believe Salty Cracker would say that.
dan friesen
Can you believe it?
jordan holmes
Salty Cracker has been close to me for a long time.
dan friesen
And when I think about like media critics, yeah, who see through the bullshit, yeah.
You know, people who aren't gonna buy the spin, they're gonna tell they're gonna hear I would expect someone of Salty Cracker's level of talent.
Yeah, to see that Owen video and be able to, you know, like cut through the the the fog.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he he even said Owen got fired.
I'm I he was even misled.
jordan holmes
I'm just waiting for the Washington Post to reveal their new ombudsman, Salty Cracker.
Because somebody's gotta keep this paper in line and keep them honest, and only my man Salty Cracker can handle that.
alex jones
Right.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Salty Cracker dies in darkness or something.
jordan holmes
Or something like that.
dan friesen
If I were if I were Salty Cracker, here's what I would.
I I kind of know who he is.
I've heard the name before.
In the same way that I kind of know who Cat Turd is.
But like uh, but it also kind of feels a little racist because uh salty cracker.
Um but the um if I were him, yeah.
I'd have a show where I'm like fucking ranting.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I'm salty.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Right?
jordan holmes
But is that what his name's supposed to be?
dan friesen
I think so.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
But Then I would do a show where I'm talking about things I like and it's unsalted.
jordan holmes
Right.
Right, right.
dan friesen
That's what I would do.
jordan holmes
Right.
Uh sodium free.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I like that.
dan friesen
You had high blood pressure.
This is the unsulted criticism.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Let's talk about jazz.
jordan holmes
So his name is supposed to be a play on words, insofar as it's a salty cracker, something that you enjoyed to get.
dan friesen
A white guy who's a little cranky.
jordan holmes
As well as a white guy who's cranky.
dan friesen
Yeah, no, I th that's the sense that I get.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Maybe I misread the whole thing, but that was the that was how I've always understood his name.
jordan holmes
It makes sense.
I I think what happened for me was like once gamer tags became socially acceptable as like a subculture kind of thing, uh, then kind of all bets are off.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, like I guess that guy can call himself that, and I have to take him seriously, but at the same time, that guy's called Salty Cracker.
Do I have to take everybody seriously?
dan friesen
Yeah, the first time someone tricked like the news into saying uh fart dick 420 or whatever.
Very funny.
jordan holmes
Great.
That was awesome.
dan friesen
Then it's off a cliff from there.
jordan holmes
Downhill ever since.
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'm not impressed by salty crack.
jordan holmes
Just go by pick a name that's not also a dinner item.
dan friesen
But but he he got tricked into you know following Owen's dumb script.
jordan holmes
What's you gonna do?
dan friesen
And look, the issue again, there's a lot of issues.
But one of the issues is won't you think of the crew?
jordan holmes
I've been thinking of the crew nonstop this entire time, and it feels like they have been underrepresented.
dan friesen
They are the real victims in this along with Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Won't you think about them how how Owen is treating them like not humans?
jordan holmes
I will.
alex jones
But what about the crew?
jordan holmes
What about the crew?
alex jones
Who never talk crap about him?
So then I talked to the crew yesterday, and they just said no, Owen used to be a funny honest guy to about three years ago, so we're getting mad, and now cynical, hateful, won't talk to us, looks us up and down like we're piles of crap, exactly what you've seen.
So see, to Owen, all these people that literally backed him and worked so hard for him and committed to him and loved him, they aren't even people to him.
Rob Aguero, Scott, all of them, they're not even people to him.
And that's why I got mad.
And I felt like I have to warn people that in my view, this is a bad person.
A selfish person.
They're like, you don't know how OCD he is?
You don't know he has to have everything exact and his whole life is scripted.
Every minute where he goes, what he does, he's all booked out.
I was like, well, God, how do you ever work here?
So then I think, oh, maybe it's that, like some type of spectrum.
I'm not diagnosing, I'm just saying a maybe he is just autistic.
I don't know.
But I know this, buddy.
I'm a real person.
And they're real people.
And you don't get to treat us like that.
So you had your little scripted schemed up thing.
You wanted to get me pissed off.
You got it now.
You got exactly what you're looking for.
So look at these headlines.
Did you know I fired Owen?
That's what he scripted it with little provisos.
I just wanted to be there and he threw me out.
And you quit.
dan friesen
Again, Alex is revealing his incompetence as a manager here.
If we believe the things Alex is saying, then we have to accept that he was so out of touch with his staff that Owen's been being a dick to them for three years and he never noticed.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
There was a complete breakdown of workplace harmony, and it didn't come up as a problem that could be addressed.
This would lead you to suspect that no one feels safe coming to Alex and bringing up workplace complaints, or they just know that he's not gonna do anything.
It's all shitty leadership.
These are indications of no one being in charge.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Further, Alex is revealing how little he ever cared about Owen.
I'm gonna ignore the labels that Alex is throwing around, but if Owen was a rigid planner and followed a tight schedule, that's something you'd expect Alex to notice in the ten years that they knew each other.
Clearly, this is something that the crew picked up on.
So it seems strange that Alex, who's repeatedly said that he and Owen were good friends, would be this oblivious.
Beyond that, this is a classic abuser tactic where you're trying to weaponize other people against your target.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
Alex would feel too vulnerable, making his feelings just about how hurt he is, so he needs to pretend to be hurt on someone else's behalf.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And use that uh use them against it.
jordan holmes
Once again, he is a good, he's the good guy in this.
We're not just now finding out that he's spoken to the crew about Owen for the first time in multiple years.
dan friesen
But also Alex noticed this for the last two years and he's been biting his tongue.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Fuck this.
jordan holmes
This is a this is ridiculous.
Come on.
dan friesen
So one of Owen's main complaints was that you know Alex texts him stories and hangs over, stands over his back and like tries to control the contact.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But like Alex texts everyone these stories.
jordan holmes
That's true.
alex jones
And I never censored him.
Oh, he was hanging over me.
You mean sending you articles?
I was told in the last few months he would get enraged if I texted him news articles.
That's all I do everywhere to people.
Hell you see, Joe Rogan talk about it.
We exchanged probably 10 texts today stuff we sent each other.
I mean, I I exchange text with Anna Paulina Lunum, Luma and MTG and you know a bunch of other people in the White House.
Do they go like Alex just sent me a link to a video?
He's trying to control me.
I just had my boo-boo butt.
unidentified
Thank you.
Hmm.
alex jones
I mean, so that's what he did.
I watched him go look all sad.
I'm so sad.
dan friesen
I think if I were working there, I probably would take this and be like, hmm.
He might do this if I quit.
jordan holmes
You know?
dan friesen
You know, like I I don't think that this would be inspiring rally around the uh boss kind of uh behavior.
jordan holmes
Nope, nope.
dan friesen
I don't I I think that I'd feel unsafe as an employee.
jordan holmes
This this would be the moment where it goes from like uh th this is where it turns into personal responsibility.
You know, up until this point, you can say whatever you want or about how you expected Alex to behave in any form or fashion.
At this point in time, anything that you allow to happen from here on out, that's totally on you.
You should quit right now.
Everybody should leave right now.
dan friesen
I definitely think everyone should quit.
jordan holmes
Everybody should quit right now.
And anything that happens after you listen to this shit is on you, man.
dan friesen
Well, at very least, the risks are clear.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Uh of what what is coming?
unidentified
You're making a decorative choice to be there.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And this this kind of thing where he's like, hey, you know, Rogan doesn't get mad that I text him all this stuff.
Does Rogan work for you?
Like that do you think that your relationships are all the same?
I think they're not.
jordan holmes
Uh boy.
Funny how that works.
dan friesen
So uh we wrap up this Owen uh talk with uh Alex declaring that he never wants to see Owen's face ever again.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah.
dan friesen
But also he's gonna be watching him very closely.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
alex jones
I'm glad he's gone, and I don't I hope I never have to put my eyes on him again in person.
Uh because I Owen's really funny, nice person.
He was a different person, and it it's painful to me.
It's not that I don't ever want to lay eyes on him because I hate him.
I I mean I actually got tears in my eyes when he talked to me like a gangster and a pimp.
And I immediately knew he was, you know uh trying to muscle me and slap me around and I was very nice.
And I was gonna be nice to him.
But not now.
No, Owen, not now.
And every time you say something wrong, and I see it every time you tell him other line.
I'm gonna come after you, buddy.
Because you're a bad man in my view.
You're a big bad wolf.
Guess what?
I'm the sheepdog.
jordan holmes
Right music choice for this.
alex jones
You got one now.
Stand up good out.
dan friesen
Call him a man eater.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Come on.
That's or call yourself a man eater.
I mean, one of the two.
jordan holmes
It's there.
dan friesen
Jesus.
jordan holmes
It is there.
alex jones
Ugh.
jordan holmes
Frustrating.
dan friesen
Handbiter.
jordan holmes
Frustrating.
dan friesen
Hand biting is the first step of eating, man.
jordan holmes
It's the very first step.
You might but before you can climb a mountain.
You must first eat a single hand.
dan friesen
Yes.
We all know this.
unidentified
That's uh the Zen poem.
jordan holmes
The very strange sect of Zed Buddhists that were also cannibals.
It was a real weird one.
dan friesen
Some uh some of those temples got disconnected from trade roots or something.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So um I think that this is about where I'm no longer all that interested in Owen and Alex.
I think that it was really fun and the drama was exciting.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Um, but this has petered out.
And unless Owen does something really interesting, I can't imagine caring uh anymore.
jordan holmes
They boy, they both really seem to have fucked this up by being a combination of bad at what they actually do.
And also just like genuinely uninteresting.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know?
dan friesen
Yeah.
And I think that they also probably both know that the other knows some shit.
Probably.
Like I think that they both have good reason to not nuke each other.
jordan holmes
Right.
Um we're mad at each other.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But we're not going where we need to.
dan friesen
It's real bad.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And we were probably never going to talk for sure.
Like we're not going to go below the belt.
jordan holmes
If I mean funnily enough, as Alex has pointed out about the the globalists many a time, is that if you're both complicit in something, oftentimes that means it's off the table should you argue about things later.
You know.
So I feel like maybe we might be in this kind of situation here.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I think that you know what I said on the last episode about Alex seeming to believe that Owen doesn't have any concrete proof of anything.
I think that might be true.
But it makes me think that like he's had private conversations with him about all how like this is all bullshit or something like that.
And Owen knows that and could talk about it.
jordan holmes
Maybe one that happened a couple of years ago at the beginning of Alex Owen's change.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
When Alex sobered up.
So uh Alex moves on and he has a uh emergency surprise guest on the show, and that is his gold sponsor.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
dan friesen
Uh Kirk Elliott.
jordan holmes
Hey, buddy.
dan friesen
So Kirk is uh he's around uh he wants uh obviously it's just like let's talk about how great gold and uh silver are and how you should buy it for me.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Uh but they also uh get into tariffs.
jordan holmes
Right.
kirk elliott
And this is what the stupid, stupid court system and judicial activism.
So Trump's reciprocal tariffs, you know, not the not the sectional tariffs that he put on copper and aluminum and things like that.
We're talking about the across the board reciprocal tariffs where Trump said, Hey, other countries around the world, if you've got tariffs on us, we're gonna give you a tariff back.
jordan holmes
Right?
kirk elliott
He's within his authority and power to do so.
But the federal courts on Friday struck that down as being illegal.
And it's like, how could it be illegal?
President can slap a tariff on anybody if he wants to, and and especially countries that have a tariff on us.
There's nothing wrong with that.
dan friesen
So the courts ruled that Trump's actions in terms of placing huge tariffs on trading partners was outside of his power and that the tariffs were illegal.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because of these rulings, Trump's Treasury Secretary Scott Besent uh estimated that refunds the government would need to give importers could be between 750 billion to one trillion dollars.
That's money that would be being paid back to companies, not consumers who ended up carrying a lot of the burden of many of these tariffs as companies just passed on the prices uh down to customers.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
The courts uh rejected Trump's argument that he had authority under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act to justify uh his tariffs on anybody he wants whenever he wants.
They said that the law required that there be, quote, unusual or extraordinary threats, and that this standard was not met.
jordan holmes
Yeah, obviously.
dan friesen
Naturally, Trump has appealed this to the Supreme Court, and he wants them to get to the case fast.
If they stall, the government might have to start paying back these tariffs in the meantime, and that would be a huge problem.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
If Trump has to pay back a trillion dollars, then the whole declaring the launch of the tariffs liberation day could end up becoming his version of Bush's mission accomplished.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that looks really bad.
Well, so they don't want it, they don't want that to happen.
jordan holmes
Probably not.
It's a good thing that they have control of the Supreme Court.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I'm not super optimistic that the Supreme Court isn't going to side with I think Amy Coney Barrett's gonna step up to this one.
jordan holmes
I think it's time for her to really show her true colors.
dan friesen
She may.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Who knows?
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's possible.
dan friesen
I will say that Kirk is a little bit worried that the Supreme Court might rule that these things are illegal.
unidentified
Ooh.
kirk elliott
If they decide that these tariffs for whatever reason are illegal.
jordan holmes
Probably the law.
kirk elliott
This this is gonna be ugly for the economy.
Now, I'm not saying that they're gonna say that they're gonna be illegal.
I'm just saying there's a chance because the Supreme Court's been squirrely lately.
Right?
So So if they say it's illegal, this is the main mechanism for Trump to make America great again.
To have other countries pay our taxes.
So he can actually have policies that say if you make under $200,000 a year, we're we want to eliminate your taxes to actually reduce our tax rates to be able to hopefully reduce the amount of printing because other countries are putting the bill.
dan friesen
Why should other countries pay our taxes?
What does that even mean?
I mean at the point where you're saying that, you're not even really talking about taxes anymore.
You're just saying that we deserve to live at the expense of people in other countries.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is all such fraudulent argumentation, though, because one tariffs are never going to replace taxes, and two, tariffs are gonna be paid primarily not by other countries and corporations.
Those prices uh just gonna be passed down to the consumer, and Kirk understands this.
He knows that increased prices are going to flow downhill.
You have to profits go up, expenses go down.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But there's another point here, and that is that no one is saying that the tariffs themselves are illegal.
And if Congress had imposed them, then the courts wouldn't have struck them down.
The tariffs aren't illegal.
It's illegal how Trump imposed them.
He didn't have the legal authority to do what he did.
So he committed a crime.
He stole like a trillion dollars.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
That's the problem.
Not the tariffs themselves.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
These dipshits really need to stop pretending that they don't understand basic aspects of the stories they're covering because this looks embarrassing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, but that's only because it is.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
In every possible sense, embarrassing to have to pretend like this embarrassing monster that you've created isn't an embarrassing monster.
dan friesen
We thought he was going to get away with this trillion dollars thing.
Right.
jordan holmes
Right.
It genuinely didn't occur to us that this could go wrong.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I think that uh there's a little bit of a moment of slight honesty here on Kirk's part.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
dan friesen
And that he's kind of clear that he just doesn't want the consequences of this.
kirk elliott
If they deem it as illegal, you can't have other countries put the bill for our expenses.
And and worse, we're gonna have to pay it back.
All the revenues that came in from the tariffs are gonna have to pay back.
So let's pray that the Supreme Court has more than half a brain.
And they say this he's in his right to do this, because if they don't, the economic consequences are gonna be pretty nasty from that.
dan friesen
But what if Trump, like what he did was illegal and outside his power?
This is the ultimate question for the InfoWars character.
If what Trump did was illegal, would you rather the Supreme Court sign off on his crime or stand up for the law despite the consequences that may come?
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
This is the dividing line between what InfoWars used to pretend to be and what it's fine admitting to being now.
In the past, the rule of law handed down by the founders and the Constitution was sacred, and it had to be followed to the letter.
But now the Supreme Court better let Trump get away with this, because if they don't, we'll have to pay back the trillion dollars he stole.
jordan holmes
It's gonna fuck up all of our stuff.
dan friesen
People are all fucking worms.
jordan holmes
I mean I don't I don't know how you couldn't recognize that even saying a sentence like that means that that person shouldn't be in power.
By virtue of being in this situation where you are saying if what this person did is illegal, if what this person did is illegal, then it will cost us one trillion dollars.
You're an idiot.
dan friesen
Yeah, there's an open question about the legality of this action that he capriciously took that could cost a trillion dollars.
And that's a trillion dollars of government money that where is that going?
That's going to companies.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
That's going to importers, that's going to businesses.
jordan holmes
Gonna have a great year.
dan friesen
That's a free flow of money that a lot of it comes from us and redistributed money.
jordan holmes
No, they're gonna pay the dividend to all of their customers to.
No, they're gonna make them whole.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's the whole idea here.
That's why the government is gonna do this.
They're gonna it's gonna be.
dan friesen
I read an article about this, and uh one they talked to a guy who's like uh like runs an importing company, and he's like, Man, if that uh if the Supreme Court upholds this, we are gonna double our claims department because We are gonna be getting so much of that back.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
It's just uh everyone's getting fucked over, and these people are cheering it on.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah.
Yep.
dan friesen
Anyway, there's some good news that we can end this episode on.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
And that is um Alex has been talking about how the globalists are trying to kill his dad by suing them.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Um, and uh it's you know, because we've brought this up, yeah.
I feel like it's my responsibility to also play this clip of Alex discussing how his dad is doing better.
jordan holmes
Oh, good.
alex jones
I mean, I haven't talked to him about this because it makes me cry.
My dad had happened as brainstem blocked, and they said he had the order about to blow, massive ballooning, and they said look, you have to have the surgery, but it can also block the other part of your brain when your blood slows down during this four-hour surgery.
You've got to sign waivers to do this.
They said this is elective, even though it would normally be absolutely critical.
So when he had the car wreck and they scan him, and they saw this five months ago, they said, Oh my god, you have to hurt it right now.
But then they found the brainstem block, they did all the die tests and things and catch cans.
And the doctor, top cardiologist said, but there's a good chance once the air is fixed, it's gonna build pressure back up the brain.
And they're doing the scans and stuff tomorrow.
He's now in a rehab.
They thought he'd be in the hospital a month because he was in such bad shape and barely walk.
His color all came back, he's already out of the hospital, and it's like my my old dad the genius.
Thank you for the prayers for my father.
Um, and this is just incredible.
They were surprised he can even walk with half his brainstem blocked on the side that does motor controls.
Um did a bunch of scans, a bunch of tests, a bunch of neurologists.
So there's that.
But I've been so focused on all this, I haven't plugged.
I need your support.
I need it bad.
The products are incredible.
dan friesen
I'm I'm sure they are.
jordan holmes
Oof.
unidentified
Oof.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
I mean, on the one hand, I guess I'm glad his dad's doing better.
Uh just on a human level, people shouldn't be uh, you know, in pain and suffering and what have you, but like uh that sucks.
It's pretty shitty.
jordan holmes
I would just like for more of the worst person in the world's dreams to come true.
What I would like is for them to be showered with ponies and ice cream and happiness at all turns.
That's it makes me feel good watching all the suffering that occurs to the people who I know are, you know, and then oh what you gonna do?
That's just I hope somebody's dreams come true.
alex jones
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So take just to take the slight edge off.
alex jones
Great.
dan friesen
Here's uh the a little clip from the the ad that follows this.
jordan holmes
Okay, okay.
alex jones
Plus, we are very excited to announce the launch of the Alex Jones war bonds.
Get your war bonds now for a hundred dollars at the AlexoStore.com with each digital certificate in the mail with a promo code for a hundred and ten dollars in store credit.
So you support the broadcast and get even more store credit.
So for 100 bucks shit, 110 dollars.
And then you have the little framable war bond, that's a cool piece of art.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's cool piece of art.
This this sounds like things are good.
Yep, things are going great.
You give me a hundred dollars and I'll give you a hundred and ten info war bucks.
Oh, wait, I can't use that name.
Alex Jones Bucks.
jordan holmes
We've uh uh printed off uh uh little little certificates that say one free hug from InfoWars.
Uh they're very nice.
Hundred bucks each.
Uh, but you also get a ten dollar discount at a store that sells trash.
Oh, wow.
dan friesen
Um I think that the war bonds aspect of this it's tough to sell.
And I think part of the reason for that is because you are currently embroiled in an argument about how you passive aggressively didn't fire your employee for two years.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
So how much of that salary, like if you bought a war bond, yeah, how much of that war bond is going towards possibly the salary of someone who six months from now you'll remember sucked for the last two years.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Like, what kind of confidence can you have that this money is going to the war?
No, that this war bond is for?
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Like it's just trash.
jordan holmes
This is what I'm saying about the like this ship is sinking, and yet somehow this pile of trash is orchestrated in such a way that it can just caterpillar its ass across the top of a maelstrom.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
This is insane.
dan friesen
It's a Magoooya.
jordan holmes
It is Magoeyan to full circle this shit.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But I mean, eventually he's gonna fall off that that uh girding.
jordan holmes
We all do.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That God's girding at the end.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I hope that, you know, I I think that Alex is a little insincere in the like, I hope I never talk about Owen ever again.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But I I sincerely uh I kind of hope we never talk about Owen ever again.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That'd be fun.
dan friesen
We had our fun, and I'm glad we did.
But uh the I hope this chapter's over.
And now we can just watch Alex, I guess attack Epstein victims on behalf of Trump.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the first and last interesting thing Owen did was quit.
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I think it also like it showed me a dark thing about myself.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that is that, like, you know, when Alex does these really disappointing, horrible things that are like invalidating of all of the principles he's pretended to have for years.
It's kind of like, oh yeah, that's what you expect.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then when there's a little uh slap fight, I got really excited.
jordan holmes
I mean, it was really exciting though.
It was really exciting.
dan friesen
That doesn't speak that highly of me.
jordan holmes
No, it's just a matter of deprivation.
Listen, you're you're naked and afraid, you're hungry, you haven't eaten for 12 days.
Boy, that tiny little uh bottom feeding catfish, that might be the most delicious meal you've ever had.
dan friesen
Yep.
So thanks for that, Owen.
Thanks for being a bottom feeding catfish.
jordan holmes
You piece of shit.
dan friesen
Um we will be back with another episode to see where Alex uh see how he finds the bottom.
Uh but until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
And D we do, it's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Yep, we'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo, I'm DZX Clark, and the mysterious professor.
unidentified
Woo!
Yeah!
Woo!
Yeah!
Woo!
jordan holmes
And now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy and Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex, I'm a first time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your work.
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