#1074: The Empire Claps Back
In this installment, Dan and Jordan review the tape of Alex's response to Owen Shroyer's "Why I Left Infowars" video, which ends up involving a rampage through three different shows on September 2.
Sept. 5, 2025 - Knowledge Fight
03:11:26
Participants
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| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes. | ||
| Let's sit around, worship with the altar of Celine, and talk a little bit about Alex Johnson. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are, Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
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Dan. | |
| Jordan. | ||
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Quick question for you. | |
| What's up? | ||
| What's your bright spot today, buddy? | ||
| Why don't you go first? | ||
| My bright spot is absolutely tennis. | ||
| It is that I will be going to the United States Open final. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Tomorrow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're going on a little vacation. | ||
| Tomorrow. | ||
| Yeah, we're going to New York. | ||
| My wife and I are going to the New York City. | ||
| Tomorrow, Jokovich and Alcaraz will play, and Yannick Sinner and Felix Jose Aliassim will play. | ||
| And hopefully at the end of it, that means that I will get to see Yannick Sinner versus Carlos Alcaraz in real life. | ||
| That's pretty wild. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Yeah, but unfortunately, you've now just given out your assassination coordinates. | ||
| Yes, I will be at Arthur Ashe Stadium for the finals of the United States Open. | ||
| If you are looking to murder me, that is where I will be. | ||
| So, yeah, I mean, like, hey, good luck surviving. | ||
| I mean, I assume that the only time I've really thought about New York City in movies is in the Highlander. | ||
| So I'm assuming that there will be sword fights. | ||
| That is just what I imagine has to happen. | ||
| Yeah, I imagine there will be swords. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Katana's beat. | ||
| Katana's left and right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Little known fact about Arthur Ashe. | ||
| Katana Master. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| What's a tennis racket but a katana with strings? | ||
| Everybody says that. | ||
| How disappointed will you be on a scale of one to three if it's not that matchup? | ||
| Well, here's the other good thing about it, right, though, is that Djokovic is—so no matter what happens, it'll be either Alcaraz or Djokovic in the final, which means either I'll get to see the ascendant young superstar who can perform magic or the single greatest tennis player that has ever lived and I've never seen before. | ||
| So that'll be magical anyways, right? | ||
| Like that will be a moment for me. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| That's great that there's the optimism or like it just almost can't be bad. | ||
| It can't. | ||
| Unless you get murdered. | ||
| I mean, well, but if I get murdered, then it can't be worse. | ||
| You are just a glass half-full kind of guy. | ||
| This is what we need for the bright spot. | ||
| Everybody says that about me all the time. | ||
| Well, I hope you have a great trip. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And incidentally, that is a good way to say we're not going to have an episode on Monday. | ||
| Wait, wait, wait. | ||
| But hey, whatever. | ||
| Yeah, what you going to do? | ||
| What's your bright spot? | ||
| I guess my bright spot is that it seems pretty clear that this isn't fake between Alex and Owen. | ||
| I think I've come down on the side of this is not a staged thing. | ||
| There's no work going on here. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| My sense of it is I think that this is a real bad time for everyone involved. | ||
| Classic mistakes being made by left and right. | ||
| Yeah, these guys. | ||
| I believe it. | ||
| So I guess my bright spot is that something is happening. | ||
| Implosion is imminent. | ||
| Yeah, it feels like it. | ||
| So today, that's what we're going to be talking about. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| We're going to be talking about the response. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Alex is, well, I mean, what does Alex have to say about this? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| On our last episode, we talked for three hours about Owen Schroyer quitting at InfoWars and doing a five-hour stream where he complained and insulted the shit out of Alex, but seemed to think he wasn't. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And today we are going to see what happens the whole day on InfoWars. | ||
| I bet, and I mean, listen, I've been wrong in the past, but I think he pulls it together on this one and acts real classy. | ||
| Well, I know that Owen wanted him to maybe be classy. | ||
| I mean, he said, hey, maybe Alex could just not even talk about it. | ||
| Alex could just ignore it. | ||
| I bet Alex will just be a classic dude. | ||
| Like, they've worked together for a long time. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| Bygones be bygones. | ||
| It's all good, right? | ||
| Have you heard any of the response? | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Great. | ||
| You're going to love some of this. | ||
| I bet. | ||
| Listen, I don't need to hear the response to know in advance that it is terrible. | ||
| I'm just interested in knowing what exactly terrible it is. | ||
| It's a bunch of different kinds. | ||
| I bet. | ||
| I believe it. | ||
| So we'll get down to business on this, but first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks. | ||
| Ooh, that's a great idea. | ||
| So first, Connor says, blah, blah, blah to his wonderful partner, Marie. | ||
| You're the best sea monster. | ||
| Thank you so much, Junior Policy Wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| So next to my amazing partners, Demi, Crash, Joe, and S.H.I.E.L.D. | ||
| I'm so sorry I've rotted my brain with conspiracy theories and now y'all have to hear about it. | ||
| Love Ashley Strange. | ||
| Thank you so much, Junior Policy Wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| And to my deep state globalist, Sarah and Steve from the vaccine terrorist Jen. | ||
| Much love to you both. | ||
| Thank you so much, Uni Policy Wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Yeah, and we got a technical credit of the mix, Jordan. | ||
| So thank you so much to Leo. | ||
| This shout out is for you, the guy who is everything I wanted and everything I didn't know I needed. | ||
| Hopefully this episode will have Lionel in it. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| So Jordan will sing the theme song, or maybe Leo Neo DZX Clark will pop up again. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| You are not a loser, little titty baby. | ||
| Thanks for being my husband from Blaze. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
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Four stars. | |
| Go honky and mother telling you brilliant. | ||
| Someone, sodomite, sent me a bucket of poop. | ||
| Daddy Sharp. | ||
| Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb. | ||
| Jarjar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. | ||
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He's a loser, little, little kitty baby. | |
| I don't want to hate black people. | ||
| I renounce Jesus Christ. | ||
| It's too bad that I'm cold reading these because otherwise I could have loaded up the Lionel theme song. | ||
| Nah, that would have been good. | ||
| But oh, well. | ||
| Well, you can't have everything with a cold read. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| But Lionel, Lionel. | ||
| Lionel, Lionel, Lionel. | ||
| What a great song. | ||
| What fun. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So before we get to this episode, I'd like to play for you an out-of-context drop from today's show. | ||
| She didn't push out and lie about your people, man. | ||
| No. | ||
| Well, I mean, they say stitches get stitches. | ||
| They do. | ||
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They do say that snitches get stitches. | |
| I bet he's doing great. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I bet he's doing great. | ||
| That was a more circumspect and subdued part of the day. | ||
| So that should give you some sense of where we're going. | ||
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All right. | |
| We're not going to be pronouncing words all the way. | ||
| So before we get into anything here, I need to clear up something that's caused a little bit of confusion. | ||
| There's a clip that people have posted online of Alex standing behind Owen, where he's interrupting the show and being an asshole. | ||
| And at the end of it, Owen is clearly pissed off, and he tells the show to the crew, like, we're going to rebroadcast. | ||
| Some people have posted it claiming it was the last day that Owen was there, and it is the blow-up and the walkout. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But that's not correct. | ||
| In that video, Owen's wearing a black shirt and Alex is in a t-shirt. | ||
| But this is from before Owen's hiatus. | ||
| That clip is from the war room on August 7th. | ||
| This was one of the other times that Alex has barged in and annoyed Owen during his show, but it wasn't the day that Owen walked out. | ||
| It's very understandable that people would think that that was the event because it looks exactly like what Owen described, but it's a different day. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And if you watch that episode of The War Room, they just go to commercial. | ||
| And when Owen comes back, he's doing a really anti-Semitic character with a tinfoil yarmulke talking about how Alex attacked him because he'd converted to Judaism. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, like, they were doing a bit. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The annoyance and Owen saying, let's go to rebroadcast, I don't think was a bit. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But they turned it into a bit. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| Well, I mean, that makes sense since part of the reason that Owen did the whole thing was because when he went on the hiatus, he came back and he had the exact same problem. | ||
| So, I mean, one-to-one is, you know, usually you say the exact same problems and you figure, you know, it's kind of the same kind of problem. | ||
| It feels like that is the exact same thing that happened. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You can, I'm sure if you were to dig through the war room archives, you could find other instances of this, too. | ||
| Like, I'm sure that that wasn't the only time. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But yeah, some people have, I've seen some posts that are along the lines of like, Dan said nothing happened, and this looks like something happened. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And it's a different day. | ||
| There are a lot of things on this camel's back. | ||
| You know, over the years, if you work with Alex, you're going to have a lot of things on the back. | ||
| That day, August 7th, is an avatar of the day he walked out. | ||
| It's the same thing. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| It's just not that day. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So on our last episode, we discussed the earth-shattering news that Owen Schurier had left Infowars and covered his five-hour stream talking about how he was going to be the next Rush Limbaugh. | ||
| It was a painful look at a man completely given over to unearned confidence. | ||
| And our take on it was generally that Owen deserved to get fired, but that Alex was obviously creating a hostile work environment that Owen shouldn't have been subjected to, and it's wrong. | ||
| From a human resources standpoint, it wasn't really all that complicated, but from an emotional and psychological level, it was a mess. | ||
| Owen clearly felt undervalued, and he believed that he could launch his own network and that he was entitled to be allowed to promote it on InfoWars, even after he'd stormed out on his own show and made some pretty unreasonable demands from his boss. | ||
| That boss, Alex, just told him to get lost and not come back. | ||
| So Owen did the only thing he could. | ||
| Try to launch the network on his own by creating a media moment out of leaving Infowars. | ||
| And he really, really fucked up. | ||
| But when we were recording the last episode, it wasn't clear how badly he'd fucked up yet. | ||
| Whether or not he'd fucked up relied on how Alex took his comments. | ||
| Owen had hoped that Alex would be chill about it and not respond. | ||
| Maybe they could just both move on and be classy towards each other. | ||
| That'd be nice. | ||
| Everyone can take the high road. | ||
| I mean, we've worked together for 10 years. | ||
| There's no way I would know that he wouldn't do something. | ||
| There's so much room on the high road. | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| It's wide. | ||
| That's for everybody. | ||
| Owen thought that he was being magnanimous in his stream and definitely said that he didn't have anything bad to say about Alex multiple times. | ||
| But underneath the surface, he was constantly insulting Alex and promising that his new show wasn't just going to be wall-to-wall ads and permanent going out of business sales. | ||
| He was trying to elevate his future show by defining it as an alternative to InfoWars, where InfoWars is all just manipulative advertising. | ||
| He also totally fucked up in terms of answering questions about Alex controlling his content while he worked there. | ||
| If he wanted to make a clean break and expected Alex to be cool about it, he needed to toe the party line and just say, Alex never told me what to say. | ||
| I was free as a bird. | ||
| Anything short of that is suspicious. | ||
| And because Owen gave answers that acknowledged things like how Alex would be mean to him at work because he was too negative about Trump, the stream left viewers with the impression that Alex exerted a very strong, but maybe passive-aggressive editorial influence on his staff. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Owen thought he could say the words, I have nothing bad to say about Alex a bunch, and that would make up for his actions, which were intensely negative towards Alex and Infowars. | ||
| And it almost worked. | ||
| On the morning of September 2nd, Alex woke up to find that Owen had made this quitting video, and it probably wasn't a huge surprise to him. | ||
| Owen did that stream after having a call with Alex, so Alex knew that he had quit. | ||
| And they exist in a media space where it's like you have to act fast. | ||
| If you're surprised by this, you haven't been alive for your entire life. | ||
| Yeah, Alex had to know, like, well, he's a free agent. | ||
| He's going to do what he needs to do. | ||
| He's probably going to make a video. | ||
| But Alex didn't watch Owen's video, and he thought it was just a quitting announcement. | ||
| So he posted a response on Twitter at about 6:30 in the morning. | ||
| Quote, Owen has wanted to go for a while. | ||
| He told me he was quitting yesterday afternoon. | ||
| He told me if I needed him another week, he would do it. | ||
| And I said, no, it's that simple. | ||
| I built InfoWars to be a radio talk show on TV. | ||
| The office is a newsroom, so when big stuff would break, I and others would bring stuff to the show producers. | ||
| That's as far as me standing over his shoulder went, except maybe twice a month walking onto the show. | ||
| That's what we have always done on the shows, including mine. | ||
| I've known Owen for over nine years and love the guy. | ||
| That said, when I started to watch what he said last night online, it was sad, and I stopped. | ||
| I wish Owen all the best for his life and the great work he does fighting evil and promoting freedom. | ||
| I never censored him and agreed with 99% of what I saw him talk about. | ||
| I only encouraged him to be more positive and general about the fact that humanity has come a long way in the Great Awakening. | ||
| Bottom line, he wants to start be his own captain, and I think that's great. | ||
| I'm surprised by the censorship claim he's hinting at, but if he thinks he needs to say that to build his own show, that will be on him. | ||
| As for me, I'm taking the high road and will continue to promote Owen when I see cool stuff he does. | ||
| Godspeed to Owen. | ||
| Okay, so that was kind of what I thought he was going to say. | ||
| You know, I thought he was going to be really cool about this. | ||
| I thought he was going to be nice. | ||
| I thought they were going to have a nice clean break. | ||
| I mean, it's a good thing that he does this in the morning. | ||
| First thing gets it out of the way. | ||
| That way he just puts it out of his mind, doesn't think about it, and we just move on, right? | ||
| No big deal. | ||
| Because he probably just thought that what Owen's stream was, was like, hey, I'm launching my own thing. | ||
| No disrespect. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| I'm going to be cool about this or whatever. | ||
| He hadn't watched any of it. | ||
| He had no idea. | ||
| And that made it a disappointing response. | ||
| It's a little bit adult, but it's kind of professional. | ||
| So people are going to let him know that he should not respond that way. | ||
| It's offering slight pushback on the points that are unacceptable, but it's clear that whatever Owen said didn't get under Alex's skin. | ||
| It looked like Owen was going to get what he wanted for the two men to just be able to move on. | ||
| But I stress, when Alex wrote that tweet, he hadn't watched what Owen said. | ||
| It's clear that someone had just told him some general impressions of the video, so Alex probably thought it, yeah, it wasn't so bad. | ||
| It'll be all right. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Owen did say that he had nothing bad to say about Alex and he hopes they can keep it classy at the beginning of the stream. | ||
| So maybe Alex saw that part and he understood the message that Owen was trying to send. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Owen saying that he hoped Alex would just say nothing and move on. | ||
| It's sort of an offer of a deal. | ||
| It was Owen saying, I'm not going to burn you if you don't burn me. | ||
| And I can imagine Alex seeing that opening couple minutes of the Owen stream, hearing that and thinking, I don't need to watch five hours of this shit. | ||
| He's clearly indicating that he's playing ball. | ||
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Yep. | |
| But Owen said shit in that stream that he can't take back. | ||
| And later that morning, Alex finally got around to watching some of the stream. | ||
| And let's say the reviews were not good. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Today, we're walking through September 2nd on InfoWars. | ||
| All the shows, or as I'm choosing to call it, The Empire Claps Back. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Oh, God. | ||
| The day begins at 8 a.m. when Harrison Smith checks in for the American Journal. | ||
| Harrison is basically the only main on-air talent remaining at Infowars other than Alex, now that Owen and Chase are both gone. | ||
| But it would be a mistake to say that the other two guys leaving has made Harrison the number two guy at the network. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| As the talent has disappeared, there have been some other shifts going on. | ||
| One of the more noticeable ones being that Alex's son, Rex, has been popping up a lot more. | ||
| That painfully boring Good Morning Infowars show with Brianna Morello has started on Saturdays. | ||
| And that weird guy from Twitter, Nick Sortor, has taken over Chase's Sunday night show that would air after Alex's Sunday show. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| So he's got an InfoWars show now. | ||
| All right. | ||
| These kind of moves have highlighted the ultimate truth that Owen never understood. | ||
| And that is that Alex is InfoWars. | ||
| All of the other people who are there are just performers and they are replaceable regardless of how important they might feel on the day-to-day basis inside InfoWars. | ||
| The only thing that matters is Alex. | ||
| If he's there, then it's InfoWars. | ||
| On day one, it was just him, and that never changed. | ||
| Ask Paul Joseph Watson how important he really was. | ||
| Ask David Knight, Jason Burmes, Aaron Dykes, Leanne McAdoo, Jakari Jackson. | ||
| All of them are replaceable props. | ||
| And it's silly to think anything else because a fair number of the past crew, these people, they got their jobs by winning a contest. | ||
| You enter the InfoWars raffle. | ||
| You might win a truck or you might get your own job. | ||
| So we begin in the early hours with Harrison, the little Nazi who's just begging to be stuffed in a locker. | ||
| He comes in. | ||
| He's hosting the American Journal. | ||
| Do you know what it is? | ||
| All of this, all of the other shows, all of the studio, all of this exists to serve Alex's ego that he is a newsman. | ||
| We're going to talk about this a little bit later. | ||
| You are 100% right. | ||
| That's the whole thing. | ||
| Your job is to make Alex feel like he's in the news. | ||
| But it's a two-way street. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You feel like you're in the news. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We're going to talk about this because it's something that I think Harrison fully understands. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Harrison's going to make it. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Yes. | ||
| Good for Harrison. | ||
| I think one of the theses that I'm going to work out here is that Harrison knows his damn place. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And it's kind of funny. | ||
| I get my little Nazi spot and that's it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So he starts off on his show and he feels really weird about everything. | ||
| Like everyone on Twitter is talking about Owen and quitting and he's like, well, this is my friend. | ||
| Welcome to the American Journal. | ||
| I'm your host, Harrison Smith. | ||
| Coming to you live this Tuesday morning, 2nd of September, 2025. | ||
| You don't know what's really weird? | ||
| You want to know a really weird thing? | ||
| Is when the internal vicissitudes of your business life are completely public. | ||
| You know what's a very weird feeling that I still haven't gotten used to is being a minor celebrity. | ||
| It's very weird. | ||
| It's very bizarre. | ||
| I was telling this to my mom yesterday. | ||
| Because she used to work for this company and recently the company went through a lot of changes, people leaving, new people coming, changing sort of who their market base was. | ||
| I said, now, imagine if at every move during that whole saga, you had thousands and thousands of people all over the internet commenting about it. | ||
| Wouldn't that be weird? | ||
| Wouldn't that be kind of crazy? | ||
| I totally understand where Harrison's coming from. | ||
| Like, it's very strange as a feeling to go from total obscurity to someone people are posting about online. | ||
| I empathize with the boy, but he has to understand that he is working for a media figure who's pretending to fight a holy war against the literal devil who raffles off trucks and jumps at every opportunity to get attention. | ||
| That boss is also a complete Twitter addict. | ||
| So the last few months have just like they've all been about trying to maximize the amount of exposure he can get on that platform. | ||
| So when something major happens with his company, no shit, people on Twitter are going to be talking. | ||
| I don't know where Harrison's wife works, but I imagine if it was an extreme right-wing conspiracy bullshit TV network run by a man who pretends to talk to God, their staffing changes might get tweeted about a little more. | ||
| He's living in a high attention gravity situation. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he's doing it backwards. | ||
| He's doing it the way Alex does it. | ||
| Like, listen, you don't want to be on there to hear what people have to say. | ||
| That's not going to help you. | ||
| You say inflammatory things and then run away and they can all yell at each other. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You don't need to take any of it personally. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Drop a bomb and then mute it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, think about your own analogy. | ||
| Imagine if your wife was somebody who is being talked about, but she didn't know. | ||
| There's no difference. | ||
| Yeah, if she has a real job and everyone's tweeting about their staffing changes, how is looking at that going to help her navigate those staffing changes? | ||
| It's not. | ||
| It's going to get in the way. | ||
| It just means nothing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Owen quit. | ||
| Good for him. | ||
| And I think that Harrison's take on it, at least at this point in the morning, is that he did it pretty classy. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Obviously, the big news is last night, Owen Schroyer announced he left InfoWars. | ||
| And if you want to know why, I suggest you go watch the stream that he did last night. | ||
| Something like 200,000 people watching simultaneously. | ||
| It turned out to be a bit of a news story. | ||
| Bit of a big deal. | ||
| I think he handled it very well. | ||
| Do you? | ||
| You know, he could have very easily made up drama, which, without naming names, others have done in the past. | ||
| So at this point, no one at InfoWars had apparently watched Owen's stream. | ||
| Or if Harrison has, he's decided not to rock the boat. | ||
| If you watched what Owen did, it would be impossible to not come away with the impression that he was saying Alex applied censorious pressure on him and that Alex uses fraudulent marketing tactics disguised as content. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Owen took big shots at Alex, but you'd have to watch the video to know that. | ||
| And it's five hours long. | ||
| By the next morning, there hasn't been any nuclear bombs on Twitter from the stream. | ||
| And so I think that's giving the false impression that Owen didn't stir the pot that much. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I think that that's where everyone feels like, okay, we can do this. | ||
| As long as it remains buried within you have to watch five hours, who gives a shit? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But if it's consumable in a Twitter clip, now we're in a fight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And as long as there isn't something that is like virally and I don't think that any like little moments from Owen were so inflammatory or whatever that people were posting it and like Alex must respond. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| And the fact that it was kind of tame on that level, I think, false sense of security for these guys. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It seems like that's what they're dealing with. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But as much as Harrison thinks that Owen did it a little classy, he also doesn't get it. | ||
| He thinks that this is not a great idea. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It's weird having thousands of people comment on what happens, you know, with your friends. | ||
| But it's especially weird when you're the only guy on the internet that's kind of bummed something is happening. | ||
| It feels a little bit weird to have like everybody online be like, great job. | ||
| Congratulations, Owen. | ||
| Like you're going to kick ass. | ||
| And it's like, yeah, I'm sure he is. | ||
| And I'm happy for him too. | ||
| At the same time, you know, we are the team that he's leaving here. | ||
| So it's a little bittersweet. | ||
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Is it? | |
| So it feels a little bit weird. | ||
| Being like, that's great. | ||
| That's good. | ||
| That'll be great. | ||
| Where everybody else is just like, yeah, great job, Owen. | ||
| Go kick buttons. | ||
| Like, that's great. | ||
| It's good. | ||
| That'll be good. | ||
| Frankly, I don't understand it. | ||
| I don't think it's that great of an idea. | ||
| And I don't really, I don't know. | ||
| Have the same issues that apparently he does or did. | ||
| For all of his faults, Harrison seems to understand where his bread is buttered. | ||
| He knows he doesn't mean shit to anyone and that he's completely unemployable outside of InfoWars. | ||
| He doesn't get what Owen's doing because he gets that Owen was a big fish in a fake pond. | ||
| And it's probably true that Harrison wasn't getting the same kind of treatment from Alex as Owen was, but that was most likely because Harrison was on the fucking bottom. | ||
| And as much as Owen didn't matter, he mattered less. | ||
| An abusive parent will sometimes direct their abuse towards one child in a way that their siblings are somewhat oblivious to. | ||
| I suspect that Alex treated Owen quite differently than he treated the rest of the folks at Infowars. | ||
| And with him gone, Harrison might see some of that attention directed his way in a manner that it hasn't previously. | ||
| It's probably like, he'll be fine. | ||
| Because Rex is coming around a lot more, and he would be a perfect candidate for Alex to replace Owen with in terms of the guy he can push around. | ||
| It's his own son. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I mean, he was born for the job, basically. | ||
| So maybe Alex can continue to not really care about what Harrison's doing. | ||
| Yeah, man, I mean, Harrison's so right on, like, that's unlistenable. | ||
| Like, even him trying to say a regular sentence is like, I'm going to have to change the channel on this shit. | ||
| And it's a regular sentence that's actually fundamentally kind of interesting. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| Because he's saying, I don't think this is a good idea. | ||
| Can't even do it. | ||
| No. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Can't deliver it in a way that is interesting. | ||
| It's fine. | ||
| It's wild that he has a job, but it's even wilder that he's self-aware enough to know that this is the only place that it exists. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I think that self-awareness keeps showing up. | ||
| I don't personally understand the drive to individualize because I think we're going to start seeing a lot more of this. | ||
| I think you're going to start seeing some big personalities from other media outlets going independent very soon. | ||
| And I personally don't understand that. | ||
| I don't get it. | ||
| I think what, you know, what is the, at what point is the market saturated with dudes in their spare bedroom talking to a webcam? | ||
| I mean, honestly. | ||
| Good call. | ||
| How many of them do we need? | ||
| And I'm just being honest. | ||
| That's if I've ever thought about like, whoa, what would I do if InfoWars shut down? | ||
| It's like, oh, God, I'd just be another dude. | ||
| I'd just be another dude in my spare bedroom talking to my camera with my hot takes. | ||
| Like, I don't even want that. | ||
| Who would even want to do that? | ||
| The cool thing about InfoWars is that we have a studio and a crew and incredible guests and people come in from all over the world and you can call in and I don't know. | ||
| It's a bigger thing. | ||
| It's something powerful and long-lasting, storied, and legendary at this point. | ||
| Harrison gets it. | ||
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Yep. | |
| He's nothing without InfoWars, and he's dangerously close to explaining why. | ||
| There's no quality difference in terms of the information between Harrison alone in a bedroom talking to a camera and Harrison in the studio at InfoWars. | ||
| There's only a presentational difference and a huge money difference. | ||
| InfoWars is a vehicle that allows dipshits to play dress up and pretend that they're something more than guys talking into cameras in their spare bedroom. | ||
| The studio, the lights, the staff, they're all there to trick viewers into thinking there's a reason to take Harrison Smith any more seriously than you would a random guy in his bedroom. | ||
| The visual cues denote investment. | ||
| Like someone is spending a lot of money to present this guy as a host. | ||
| And our brains are trained to think that if someone is spending money on something, there must be value to it. | ||
| The value to Harrison being on air is just that Harrison is on air. | ||
| His audience is minuscule, and I'm not sure he's the top pill salesman at InfoWars, but the fact that there is a show before Alex's makes the whole thing feel legit, like you were saying. | ||
| Alex has built the studio to give the appearance of credibility to these dumb dums, and they kill time on air so Alex can create the appearance that he's running a large network of shows. | ||
| He lets them feel like professional broadcasters, and their existence allows Alex to feel like a mogul. | ||
| It's a cycle of enablement that they're involved in. | ||
| There's a symbiotic relationship between the two, and I think Harrison kind of gets that. | ||
| Yeah, I mean... | ||
| Why individuate? | ||
| Why seek individuality and outside of this thing? | ||
| Right behind the leader. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't – here's what I don't appreciate about this. | ||
| While it does appear that there is some sort of weirdly sustainable bubble of illusion that these men have been able to create, we have not been able to contain said bubble, and that it touches our world makes me very angry. | ||
| Because they get to live in a world where it doesn't. | ||
| They get to live in an imaginary world. | ||
| And I don't appreciate that at all. | ||
| I guess so. | ||
| I mean, and like, but I think that their lived experience isn't like that bubblish because I think their existence is bubbly. | ||
| Well, but I mean, like, in the same way, it's not the same. | ||
| What I'm trying to say is, like, they're miserable. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| No, I understand. | ||
| In that bubble, just realities of life make them miserable. | ||
| Right, absolutely. | ||
| Like, someone with a weird haircut walking down the street pisses them the fuck off. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, like, that's what I'm saying. | ||
| It's not really a bubble. | ||
| They're, they're, but they're, that's part of the bubble. | ||
| The problem with the bubble is that it's not perfect. | ||
| That's why Alex is going to the, going freaking out at seeing Muslim women in a pool supply store because the perfect bubble doesn't have those women. | ||
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Right. | |
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| I think, yeah, I think I get what you're saying. | ||
| But I also think that bubbles are, like, supposed to be peaceful. | ||
| You know, they're supposed to be like, I'm secure and safe in this bubble. | ||
| And their bubbles are anger. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that's the problem. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| It's a bad bubble. | ||
| It's a shitty bubble. | ||
| It's a shitty bubble. | ||
| You ever see Bubble Boy? | ||
| I have seen Bubble Boy. | ||
| Wait, which one? | ||
| The Jake Gyllenhaal one? | ||
| Is there? | ||
| No, the Seinfeld episode. | ||
| Oh, no, I haven't seen that one. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Moops. | ||
| It's a reference. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So Harrison is thrilled that no one is taking sides on this thing. | ||
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I bet. | |
| It's chill, man. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| It's very strange for me to be in a situation where, like, you got hundreds of thousands of people all over the world that want to know about my co-worker quitting. | ||
| It's just. | ||
| It's strange if you think about it. | ||
| My ex-co-worker, that's right. | ||
| He's not even my co-worker anymore. | ||
| It's very sad. | ||
| And you know what's funny about it is that everybody I saw online is like, you know, you're going to do great, Owen. | ||
| Congratulations. | ||
| You're going to go, you know, everybody support this guy. | ||
| He's a great human being. | ||
| But also we love Infowars. | ||
| Like, it's weird that it feels like there should be some beef. | ||
| It feels like there should be, people should be taking sides, but nobody's taking sides. | ||
| Everybody loves Owen, and everybody loves InfoWars, which is great, which is really awesome. | ||
| It is awesome. | ||
| So if you want to see people taking sides, I'd suggest checking out the Rumble comments section on Owen's video and the places where Alex's shows are posted online. | ||
| It's horribly divided territory. | ||
| Most of the comments are, fuck Owen, I love Alex, or fuck Alex, I love Owen. | ||
| And an unsurprising amount of them mentioned the Jews or make references to noticing. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| Harrison's delusional if he thinks that there's no beef in this split and he's not going to be able to pass off this bullshit for much longer. | ||
| About an hour later on his show, reality crashes in. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| It's such a mess. | ||
| Man, you know, you just want... | ||
| Listen, I would prefer to wait until like one in the afternoon to deal with that. | ||
| You know, we're still in the morning. | ||
| It is. | ||
| I can't hang. | ||
| I can't hang. | ||
| It's coffee time. | ||
| Right? | ||
| 9 a.m. | ||
| Get the fuck out. | ||
| I'm not handling this shit at 9 a.m. | ||
| But that's why it's so great that Alex tweeted that classy thing. | ||
| It's 630. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| It allows everyone to feel like let's just take in. | ||
| It's coffee time. | ||
| It's just coffee time. | ||
| Hey, let's take in a little bit of coffee, right? | ||
| Which happens to be the sponsor of my new roast segment. | ||
| It's perfect. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Wake up. | ||
| Wake up. | ||
| Wake up, people. | ||
| Hockey puck. | ||
| So everything is chill. | ||
| And Harrison reads Alex's tweet about this. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And it seems like things are going to be. | ||
| As for me, I'm taking the high road and will continue to promote Owen when I see cool stuff he does. | ||
| Godspeed Dowen. | ||
| Honestly, that's a great response. | ||
| That was a six this morning. | ||
| And look, I agree. | ||
| And I'm upfront about it all the time. | ||
| I mean, Alex does not tell us what to cover. | ||
| Like, I don't tell Owen what to cover. | ||
| I personally think it's hilarious when Alex, like to me, he doesn't come in. | ||
| I'm like, maybe I'm not doing that great. | ||
| I mean, it's a compliment whenever he comes in because it means he's excited about whatever you're talking about. | ||
| I guess we see that differently. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But it's that type of stuff that, you know, Owen didn't. | ||
| He never, he said very clearly, he's like, I was in creative control of my show. | ||
| You know, I just didn't like when Alex would like criticize me. | ||
| I kind of think it's funny. | ||
| Again, I'm upfront about this. | ||
| If you watch American Journal, I talk about this all the time. | ||
| And again, I don't know what other company or industry is like this, where we talk to each other through the shows in a weird way. | ||
| Like I'll tune into Alex and I hear him going, you know, the other guests are really down on Israel. | ||
| And I'm like, all right, I get your point, Alex. | ||
| And then I come on the show and I say, look, Alex is saying that we talk about Israel too much. | ||
| Here's why I think I'm talking about it. | ||
| Here's why I'm talking about it so much today. | ||
| And, you know, I justify it or whatever. | ||
| But we do it like almost through the show or through the audience. | ||
| It's all so upfront. | ||
| It's almost like comical. | ||
| What Harrison is talking about is unprofessionalism. | ||
| Barging into people's shows when they're supposed to be hosting is pretty funny, but it's also not appropriate. | ||
| It shows a lack of impulse control that used to be a really worrying behavior to see in someone. | ||
| It's also super unprofessional for these guys to be sniping at each other on air. | ||
| They're adults and they shouldn't be projecting this conflict onto the audience. | ||
| Things that make the audience worry that the interpersonal fighting between Alex and Owen or Alex and Harrison, if they're worrying about it, that's inappropriate. | ||
| The correct thing here would be to talk off air and figure out a way to cover Israel in a way that both parties can agree to. | ||
| If they aren't able to find that agreement, then Harrison needs to quit because whether he wants to admit it or not, Alex is imposing censorship on him. | ||
| And even if Harrison is choosing not to deal with it or just to ignore it for the time being, that doesn't mean that it's not there. | ||
| The passive aggression that they engage in, where Alex complains about his co-workers being too negative about Israel on air, and then they whine about how their boss is wrong on their shows. | ||
| It creates a dramatic environment that's counterproductive to delivering real information. | ||
| But this is pretty good for InfoWars as a whole because it creates manageable levels of conflict, and that's good for audience retention. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If Alex is being too soft on Israel, then instead of leaving the revenue stream entirely, maybe you find yourself watching Harrison's show and you feel like he's saying what you're thinking, that Alex is soft on Israel. | ||
| Instead of immediately losing a listener to another broadcaster like Nick Fuentes, you've created a little delay where they might stick around a little bit longer, buy a few more pills, and that's good. | ||
| The issue is that that conflict is only useful as long as it's pretty small. | ||
| And Harrison knows that he exists in a position where he can engage in these petty uprisings against Alex, but if he wanders too far, it's Alex's way or the highway. | ||
| There's no ifs, ands, or buts about that. | ||
| Alex complaining about Harrison on his show is Alex's passive-aggressive way of enacting censorship because he's a bit too much of a coward to do it more directly. | ||
| It's the same as what Owen talked about, where Alex would make fun of him about being too negative about Trump. | ||
| These are dynamics of an abusive, dysfunctional working environment that Alex creates to keep these folks in line. | ||
| At this point, Harrison doesn't care, and maybe that passive aggression doesn't bother him. | ||
| But if he ever decided to stand up for himself in a meaningful way, it would go badly for him, and he would find himself self-censoring or unemployed. | ||
| And it's ridiculous to imagine otherwise. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm a big fan of when people go like, ah, it doesn't work like this at other places. | ||
| And it's like, yeah, yep, there is a reason. | ||
| There is absolutely a reason. | ||
| There is a lot of reasons. | ||
| You're experiencing those reasons as we speak right now. | ||
| No, other places don't work like this. | ||
| They continue to exist. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A tenure employee who is the second in command, basically, leaves in a really dramatic fashion and releases a five-hour stream about why they left. | ||
| Right. | ||
| This is a byproduct of your bad work environment. | ||
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Right. | |
| That's what's going on here. | ||
| Like Wells Fargo gets a $1.5 billion judgment against them because one, they probably won't ever have to pay it. | ||
| And two, they're a $10 trillion company, not just an asshole. | ||
| And that's kind of where we're at. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I think that Harrison tries to rationalize a lot of this with like, hey, you know, like whatever we're dealing with, it's not as bad as at the Blaze or something like that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like, stop comparing yourself to these shitty, like, scam operations. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Start shooting for professionalism. | ||
| Isn't that the idea? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Compare yourself to an actual business, an actual media entity as opposed to fraud. | ||
| I will compare myself to anything that says the status quo is the best. | ||
| So Harrison does not understand Owen's complaints about the ads and stuff. | ||
| Why would you? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so he's just like, what we do is normal. | ||
| And then just when I'm reading the plug sheet, you know, one of the things like Owen was complaining about that. | ||
| I was like, I just want to do, you know, normal where just you have sponsors and you read the sponsor's plug and it's like, that is all we do. | ||
| We just have one sponsor. | ||
| It's yalexionstore.com. | ||
| But we just, we, you get a plug sheet and you read the plug and you say, if you want to support us, go to thealxnonstore.com slash Harrison and purchase a product. | ||
| I mean, it's very sort of traditional how we fund this. | ||
| It's a unique twist to it, but it's, we just do live reads in the same way radio has forever. | ||
| It's like, would you rather be selling, you know, sports betting websites and VPNs? | ||
| I mean, you want to read their copy verbatim? | ||
| Does that really sound fun? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I just don't get it, man. | ||
| To me, the instant I think about, you know, going independent, I'm like, I got to talk to companies. | ||
| I got to get ad reads. | ||
| I'm going to have to deal. | ||
| They're not going to pay me on time. | ||
| I'm going to have to track them down. | ||
| It's going to be, that just sounds miserable. | ||
| I mean, that is the benefit of, I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| That's like the greatest thing about working in voice. | ||
| I don't have to deal with all that crap. | ||
| Why you would volunteer to deal with all that crap? | ||
| That's on him. | ||
| I just don't get it. | ||
| Nailed it. | ||
| I just don't get it. | ||
| If Harrison is worried about that, let me be the first to assure him that if he went independent, he wouldn't definitely not have to worry about advertisers paying him. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| He wouldn't have to worry about chasing checks and them coming in late because there wouldn't be any. | ||
| I get what he's saying, though, and I'm glad that we're able to be independent and not worry about any of that stuff. | ||
| I have maybe never talked to an advertiser outside of like a rejection email of stop emailing me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yep. | |
| I'm not interested. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| It's almost as if Harrison isn't even able to imagine a life of real independence. | ||
| Like, all he really wants is to have this company taking care of him and enabling him to pretend that he deserves the slot that he's in. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I don't think, right, anybody can disagree with the idea that having a blanket of safety is good. | ||
| Yeah, it's cozy. | ||
| This is the cozy. | ||
| This might as well be a fire during the winter. | ||
| This is cozy shit, man. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Because it's cold outside, Harrison. | ||
| Oh, Harrison, you are going to starve and freeze. | ||
| He's insane if he thinks that InfoWars advertising model is normal. | ||
| It's convenient that he's not addressing Owen's actual complaint, which is that Infowars relies on the permanent going out of business sale and the buy this or you're going to die strategies to scare people into buying products, and that's an inherently dishonest model. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I don't watch enough of Harrison's show to know for sure, but it's possible that he just reads the ads like a normal radio broadcaster. | ||
| It's possible. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And that would explain why his sales and viewer numbers are where they are and that Alex doesn't give a fuck what he does. | ||
| That would explain it all. | ||
| Because he's not aspiring to be the best. | ||
| He's just here and he's going to pick up his paycheck on time and go home. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He's languishing in a stew of mediocrity and lies. | ||
| It's a sinecure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's perfect. | ||
| So Harrison, he has Rex on. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Rex Jones, son of Alex. | ||
| Right. | ||
| First of his name. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
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Okay. | |
| So he has him on, and he's like, hey, man, what do you think about Owen's little thing? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Let's just start with the drama everybody's interested in. | ||
| What's your take on Owen leaving? | ||
| Well, you know, we all go through stages of life, and I think he really wants to be a radio broadcaster. | ||
| I think, like, you look at his golden microphone. | ||
| He's always been a huge Rush Limbaugh fan. | ||
| I think that's his future, and I support it. | ||
| I donated to his Give, Say, Go, and I encourage other people to do the same. | ||
| So I think that's a nice response. | ||
| Very classy. | ||
| Very mature. | ||
| Very amorning response. | ||
| At some point during Harrison's show, Alex watched some of Owen's streams. | ||
| Uh-oh. | ||
| And he was very unhappy. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| He posted that classy tweet at six in the morning. | ||
| And, you know, you're seeing the after effect of that. | ||
| Rex thinks we're just going to play nice. | ||
| They're talking to each other through their shows. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The dam is about to break. | ||
| Harrison and Rex are hosting, talking about their viewpoints on global conflicts. | ||
| And mid-sentence, Alex comes barging into the studio, and here's what happens. | ||
| You know, I'm still positive and hopeful that we can get an end to the Ukraine war. | ||
| Gaza, I'm pretty blackpilled on. | ||
| They're going to do a new Trail of Tears there. | ||
| I think that's pretty clear. | ||
| But with the Russians, they're still trying to work with us. | ||
| And we look at these weak sisters, these European allies that talk tough and want to go after them and punish them and attack them forever and ever and ever. | ||
| It's not going to end too well. | ||
| I'm here to censor. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| He's here. | ||
| We've crossed the line. | ||
| You should launch a new independent show and claim that I censored you for years and get a million viewers and betray me. | ||
| You're allowed to lie about me any way you want. | ||
| You know, I love you. | ||
| Look, let's reject the Glack. | ||
| Let's reject the Grabbler. | ||
| This is a. | ||
| I'm using this as a case point. | ||
| You understand that? | ||
| How much have I come in and censor you over the years? | ||
| Yeah, not enough, frankly. | ||
| I say something. | ||
| Yeah, we missed you. | ||
| Have I ever censored you? | ||
| Never once. | ||
| Literally never once. | ||
| Hey, but hey, if you want to quit and have a publicity stunt and lie about me, I forgive you, okay? | ||
| I know. | ||
| I expected. | ||
| Hey, David, and I did it. | ||
| Owen's done it. | ||
| I kind of was taking the high road until I started watching it. | ||
| He's like, Skywalkers become a bitch. | ||
| Can we sing a song? | ||
| You stabbed your brother in this operation in the back, and you're a fucking liar. | ||
| Can we sing a song? | ||
| Can we sing a song? | ||
| We're going to take a little break and we're going to sing a song. | ||
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Oh, my God. | |
| Angry. | ||
| I've had enough of these people. | ||
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They're a bunch of Christian murdering scum running giant death factories, keeping babies alive. | |
| A couple quick points here. | ||
| Harrison and Rex sing most of that Bony Ver parody song, and they harmonize decently. | ||
| The two of them actually. | ||
| That's what they're singing. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It was one of the few times I've actually listened to something musical on Inforz and being like, their voices are actually hitting. | ||
| They're not. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no, no. | ||
| They're on pitch. | ||
| And they know all the words. | ||
| That's weird. | ||
| More than I do. | ||
| That's creepy. | ||
| So the second point: when Alex tells Harrison he can quit and lie about him for a publicity stunt, Rex makes a finger gun and pretends to shoot himself in the head. | ||
| That's fun. | ||
| He realized in an instant while on live TV that everything is fucked. | ||
| That morning, it looked like they were going to be able to get through this without too much ugly fighting. | ||
| But now, by storming on air and calling Owen out, that's not happening. | ||
| I listen. | ||
| He knows his dad. | ||
| I'm starting to think that maybe Alex isn't going to take this well. | ||
| No. | ||
| He started watching it and he realized, motherfucker. | ||
| There is nothing I love more than Ed. | ||
| I'm going to take the high road that turns into, you know what? | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| The high road's for losers. | ||
| I'm taking the motherfucking low road, Dickwad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The high road was my pretend response before I knew what you said. | ||
| Now that I heard what you said, I'm not taking the fucking high road. | ||
| I was never going to take the high road. | ||
| I was going to take no road because you were going to leave me alone. | ||
| The high road was never in question. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| But then I came into work and I saw what you said, and man, I'm burning your road around you. | ||
| So they sing that Bony Ver song. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And then everybody's happy forever. | ||
| By the time they are finished singing, Alex Barge's back in. | ||
| Great. | ||
| I have them on video. | ||
| They literally sing. | ||
| Creepy, weird sick stuff, man. | ||
| People don't believe me that we sing this song. | ||
| Everybody knows this song by heart. | ||
| They know it by heart. | ||
| And it's a truly beautiful thing. | ||
| I don't realize how upset Alex was ever. | ||
| It's tough, you know. | ||
| Look, I mean, it's kind of a Batman Robin situation. | ||
| I really think they're both going to go on to do great things, but it's just difficult. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I mean, I didn't really tell you. | ||
| That's really normal. | ||
| And do any window that you've been censored and controlled and got to go because you're talking about Trump and the stuff. | ||
| And then later, hours later, oh no, he didn't censor me. | ||
| All set up to boost himself off of lying about me. | ||
| I don't ever get involved in influencing, but I've known somebody 10 years and they've been my friend, but he's gotten really dark, didn't talk to the crew the last two years. | ||
| And so it's like, it's just like a different person. | ||
| I'm not here to be the villain for somebody's lie. | ||
| So, wait till you hear his phone call to me. | ||
| I said, he literally talked to me like I was a cracker. | ||
| He was a pep. | ||
| He's like, yeah, well, if you're desperate, pay me more. | ||
| I'll stay. | ||
| But I'm going to promote my new show on InfoWars, huh? | ||
| Let's talk to Hyro. | ||
| I was like, man, this is really hurting my feelings, dude. | ||
| No, it's all right. | ||
| You don't have to come in. | ||
| I hung up, started fucking crying. | ||
| And then he goes on fucking air and life about me. | ||
| Fuck you, you fucking piece of shit. | ||
| I won't fucking take people stabbing me in the back anymore. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| Get ready. | ||
| So, because that'll be clipped, you can follow me at Rex Jones News on Twitter. | ||
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All right. | |
| Rex Jones News with a Z. Nice. | ||
| Very important that you follow me on Twitter. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Emotions running hot. | ||
| Rex gets it. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| My Twitter thread went viral. | ||
| You can follow me at blank, blank. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Smooth. | ||
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All right. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, that's a great way to try and. | ||
| That's like when someone flips off a camera to make sure that they're not included in a piece or something. | ||
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Yep. | |
| It's like it's a bombing, some photo bombing. | ||
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Yep. | |
| I have no idea what the truth is about that phone call, but no matter what, everyone here in this sounds stupid. | ||
| Alex has a history of recording people's calls. | ||
| With the last CRO, like he had in his bankruptcy case, he played their call on air without permission. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| If you're Owen and you're having a possibly contentious call with Alex and you don't record it yourself, you're asking for trouble. | ||
| Huge mistake. | ||
| Alex will lie about it, and he might be recording it himself so he can release portions of it later to make you look bad. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Him saying, wait till you hear the call or whatever. | ||
| It's like, oh, you had to see that coming. | ||
| Yeah, I already, like, one, I already knew what he was going to say about the call. | ||
| I already know what the lie was going to be. | ||
| That's that's easy. | ||
| The only question is, how much can he back it up? | ||
| Because if he plays the whole call, obviously everybody's going to go, well, none of what you said happened, happened. | ||
| Well, at this point, you know, he's leaving it open of like, am I going to show these cards? | ||
| I mean, is he going to play the call? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| He barged back out of the studio. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| One of my favorite things is just the door closing. | ||
| You know, you can hear the door slamming. | ||
| This is like, this is like a weird farce. | ||
| This is like a play. | ||
| This is, and he's, and he's busting in and out. | ||
| This is a classic farce. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| There's a series of doors that he's appearing in and out of. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Fucking hell. | ||
| So my sense of this whole thing is largely unchanged. | ||
| Owen wanted more money, or failing that, he wanted to do one more week to promote his channel to a larger audience. | ||
| Alex said no to both, and that's that. | ||
| Owen did his stream, and Alex didn't watch it, but thought that Owen was being classy, so he decided to release a classy tweet. | ||
| Now Alex has watched some of the stream and realized that Owen fucked him. | ||
| So he's losing his shit and his son has to beg him to take the high road. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| After pantomiming, murdering himself on it. | ||
| I mean, of all the this is a contender for maybe the single most unprofessional place I've ever seen. | ||
| Oh, crazy. | ||
| Right? | ||
| And wait, wait till we get through the rest. | ||
| So not just bursting in and out. | ||
| That's fine for him. | ||
| That's part of it. | ||
| Not, you know, he owns the show. | ||
| No big deal. | ||
| He's not bothered. | ||
| But then his son is also there, which, like, why is your son there? | ||
| Your son shouldn't be there. | ||
| That's nepotistic. | ||
| And then on top of that, it sounds acting like the adult. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It is the least professional thing ever. | ||
| It's horrible. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| It's fantastic. | ||
| More. | ||
| More into my veins. | ||
| So Harrison and Rex try and deal with what just happened to them. | ||
| Doing great. | ||
| I said earlier, and I'll say again, I'm glad Owen didn't go, you know, say, well, you know, I wanted to say this because he could have gone way overboard and made a big thing out of it. | ||
| I don't think he did that, but he did insinuate that like. | ||
| He was forced to cover things he didn't want to cover or have guests on that he didn't want to have on. | ||
| It's like, that's just not. | ||
| Maybe it was different with Owen, but that's never happened with me. | ||
| Nobody ever tells me what to cover or, you know, comes in and says, you know, you're not talking about this enough or your tone isn't right on this. | ||
| It literally never happens. | ||
| So I'm just a guest. | ||
| I'm just a guest on my favorite shit. | ||
| Yeah, right. | ||
| I'm just here since the beginning. | ||
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I'm like the little kid with a lollipop and the propeller hat and the parents. | |
| I mean, I feel that way a little bit too, to be honest with you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is not appropriate. | ||
| These assholes are supposed to be fighting the literal devil. | ||
| So I feel like the audience shouldn't be getting emotionally caught up in drama between one of the hosts and his boss to the point where another host and the boss's son are on air describing it as mom and dad fighting. | ||
| I think that these guys just don't understand how unprofessional the environment they're in is because they've never been in professional settings. | ||
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Right. | |
| Like they've never been somewhere that would give them a context and a baseline for like, this is the kind of stuff that is like major lawsuits. | ||
| No, they're not other places. | ||
| They're not reporters. | ||
| No. | ||
| They don't understand the concept of journalism. | ||
| Like we've seen them try and describe what it is so many times and they've never been able to get it right because it's not like they've ever worked in a newsroom. | ||
| The way that they operate is very much like that never land. | ||
| They are just like in this weird place where they don't have to grow up or work hard or be professional. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| It's all just make-believe. | ||
| It's a bubble. | ||
| And they don't realize that Alex is Tinkerbell. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| He's sprinkling the fairy dust that lets them do their stuff. | ||
| That's because... | ||
| But, I mean, Alex doesn't realize that he's... | ||
| He's... | ||
| He's... | ||
| I mean, they just... | ||
| They just deserve each other when... | ||
| We just don't deserve them. | ||
| The world doesn't. | ||
| You and I do. | ||
| Yeah, we've committed. | ||
| I've committed my crimes. | ||
| I got it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I deserve this. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| We can handle their nonsense. | ||
| But like, yeah, the world shouldn't have to deal with the repercussions of this abuse. | ||
| Their listeners and their viewers shouldn't have to deal with it. | ||
| That's what we do. | ||
| Yeah, that's very unfortunate. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But hey man, they got blue liquid out of it. | ||
| They got blue liquid out of it. | ||
| So Harrison breaks down what he thinks is going on. | ||
| And they just kind of come to a conclusion that Owen wanted to be number one. | ||
| And that's fine. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| It just can't happen here. | ||
| No. | ||
| I think he wants to be the number one. | ||
| And there's nothing wrong with that, to be honest with you. | ||
| Yeah, no, I think it's mostly born out of ambition. | ||
| That's what I said about sort of the difference between Owen and I is he always wanted to be a talk show host. | ||
| He wants to be Rush Limbaugh. | ||
| And InfoWars was his vessel for doing that. | ||
| I come from it at a different angle because it was never InfoWars. | ||
| Yeah, I wanted to be an InfoWars. | ||
| So yeah, so I'll do whatever position I need to be in because InfoWars, to me, is a literally legendary thing. | ||
| I mean, because what happens is, you know, when you look back in history, everything gets kind of consolidated where like, you know, you look at ancient Roman history and they'll say like, all these a million things were all in about this one guy because it just sort of, you know, all the other people involved kind of filter down. | ||
| You eventually lead with. | ||
| So to me, like in history, when people look back at this, the transformative media landscape that we're in right now, Alex Jones is the dude that's going to be in the history books. | ||
| Alex Jones in InfoWars is the force that ushered in everything that you're seeing come behind. | ||
| He created alternative media. | ||
| He created alternative media. | ||
| Rogan created alternative podcasting. | ||
| Alex created alternative broadcasting. | ||
| And Alex, of course, was the one that woke up Joe Rogan in the first place. | ||
| So Joe Rogan, Tucker Carlson, they're all downstream of Alex Jones. | ||
| So that, you know, that's where that's where I want to put my effort in. | ||
| So there's two wild things about that clip, and I actually wonder how much these guys recognize what they're saying. | ||
| The first thing is that Harrison's putting forth this fascist strongman interpretation of history. | ||
| History only remembers the strong individuals who get to have movements attributed to them. | ||
| And Harrison views Alex as that strong man. | ||
| So his number one goal is clinging to that dude's coattails. | ||
| This interpretation of history is dumb because it hero worships people who were just people. | ||
| But the side implication of believing in it is that almost all of us aren't those strong men. | ||
| Most of us will be forgotten by history. | ||
| And Harrison's way of dealing with those feelings of insignificance is to make himself into the strongman's minion. | ||
| And that's sad. | ||
| He's basically recognizing that he doesn't have the goods. | ||
| I mean, you know, I think that's what all these guys do. | ||
| They're just, they're just monkeys and they think Elon Musk is the biggest monkey who can find them the most food. | ||
| On some level, that is probably part of it. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| I don't understand wanting to be a henchman. | ||
| And I think part of them doesn't either. | ||
| You know, they're like, ah, I get it. | ||
| Owen wants to be the number one. | ||
| Fucking, I'm not being the joker. | ||
| I'll dress like a clown, but that motherfucker's crazy. | ||
| You know, I just work here, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which is like, yeah, that's fair. | ||
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You're a henchman. | |
| I'm a henchman. | ||
| I might not be on the assignment where they get him. | ||
| They kill the joker. | ||
| I might survive this thing. | ||
| He's not. | ||
| I'll just go hench for another guy. | ||
| It's no big deal. | ||
| It's just a career opportunity. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And that touches on the second thing that they're talking about that I think is really crazy. | ||
| And that is that they recognize that Owen wanted to be number one, and that makes sense, but they don't feel that way. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Owen had ambition, whereas they don't. | ||
| Owen wanted to be excellent himself, whereas they just want to be cogs in the machine supporting the strongman that they view as being historically relevant. | ||
| Incorrect as he might be, Owen aspires to be the strongman himself, while Rex and Harrison are content being followers because they know deep down they aren't excellent. | ||
| And what Rex wants isn't even the same thing. | ||
| He just wants to make his dad proud. | ||
| Rex is having a grand time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like Harrison. | ||
| So Owen wants to be number one and wants to be Rush Limbaugh. | ||
| Harrison wants to be involved in InfoWars because the ceiling on his potential is being a minion for a strong man. | ||
| Rex wants to deal with his daddy issues. | ||
| Like these three are all coming from different places and it's all a mess. | ||
| I think Rex probably sees himself in like an a new documentary in like five years where he's given interviews about how weird it is to have a dad like that. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| I think he sees himself as some champion returning or something. | ||
| Oh boy. | ||
| I kind of admire their perspective a little bit in that like Harrison clearly knows his place. | ||
| Without the cameras and the fancy desk, he'd just be another racist dipshit talking into a webcam. | ||
| And Infowars allows him to not have to deal with how much of a bummer that is. | ||
| He's more interested in clinging to that validation than he is in personal or professional advancement. | ||
| So I would say he's exactly where he should be. | ||
| Like, I don't know. | ||
| I think he sucks, but like, it seems to me like this is the best place you could possibly be. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Alex is not going to bother you if you're not bothered by him. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And if you think he's a hero that history is going to remember, great. | ||
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| No, I mean, you had it. | ||
| You had it perfectly. | ||
| Like, there's no difference in the content. | ||
| The only difference is I am not in a basement. | ||
| Like, I've just been moved to a different place. | ||
| I don't have to look into the mirror accurately. | ||
| That illusion is enough for me. | ||
| And I would rather choose that illusion where there's no difference in substance but all image than ever consider the substance of what it is I'm saying or doing. | ||
| Which. | ||
| And I never want to try to be better because if I do, I will fail. | ||
| And when I fail, I'll have to deal with the fact that I'm not good enough to be better. | ||
| In every way, my life will be worse if I acknowledge it as it is. | ||
| So congratulations. | ||
| I mean, it's the smart move. | ||
| It's the smart move. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So they end their show, and that means it's time for Alex to take over. | ||
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Oh, God. | |
| Alex has got to get on his show. | ||
| He is threatened. | ||
| He said it's going down. | ||
| Get ready for it, Troyer. | ||
| Oh, bye. | ||
| You're getting it. | ||
| So here's where we begin. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| This is going to be an absolute must-watch. | ||
| Listen, share. | ||
| Transmission. | ||
| It is Tuesday, September 2nd, 2025. | ||
| I'm your embattled host, Alex Jones, your chronicler. | ||
| Thank you so much for joining us on all the radio stations, TV stations. | ||
| So Alex has been trying to brand himself as the chronicler ever since he remembered that opening scene from Conan. | ||
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Yep. | |
| The idea is supposed to be that he's a storyteller, watching the events of the world unfold and retelling them to you, cutting through the lies and spin. | ||
| He's trying to give himself a detached vibe, like he's outside the stories that he tells. | ||
| The reason he's doing that is because the stories he's been telling the audience for the past decade are falling apart. | ||
| He created a fake version of Trump the Conqueror to sell his audience, and the audience isn't buying it anymore. | ||
| He created a version of himself that relied on him being the crusading hero of a new satanic panic, whipping up hysteria about child abuse. | ||
| But now he's shown the audience that he'll stay with Trump even if he's actively involved in covering up Epstein stuff and calling people who care about it stupid. | ||
| The fake version of himself and the leaders he's convinced the audience to support are falling apart, and there's no way to put them back together again. | ||
| The only thing Alex can really do now is pretend to be above it all. | ||
| And you can't be above something if you're a part of it. | ||
| You have to be detached. | ||
| Thus, the chronicler persona arises as a weak attempt to place himself in a position where he's not held responsible for any of the frauds he's perpetrated on the audience for the past 10 years. | ||
| Don't blame Alex. | ||
| He's just the storyteller. | ||
| He's just an observer. | ||
| It's almost an impressive level of cowardice from the guy who pretends that God chose him as a child to fight the devil. | ||
| Just this whole like, oh, no, don't look at me. | ||
| You know what I've always, here's what I've always loved about historians, chroniclers, writers, journalists. | ||
| What I've always loved about them, tip of the spear. | ||
| Tip of the spear. | ||
| They're the ones in the action, not the people writing about it and talking about it later when the action's already concluded. | ||
| You know, they're in it. | ||
| That's what's great about it. | ||
| The chronicler is also the person who revolutionized media and changed the world and got the first American dictator elected. | ||
| Yeah, as opposed to being just somebody who chronicles things. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It would be ridiculous if the chronicler was just some sort of thing that was named itself. | ||
| I think of what I'm doing as slightly chronicly-ish. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| In the sense that I'm taking Alex's stuff and we're discussing it and chronicling it. | ||
| Yeah, you're chronicling. | ||
| But I wouldn't say that that's what I am because I did get involved with the Sandy Hook trial. | ||
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Sure. | |
| And like, I did poke the bubble or whatever. | ||
| I'm not just a chronicler. | ||
| There is a part of this that I'm engaged with. | ||
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Right. | |
| So, like, I'm the clowniker. | ||
| Yeah, that's fine. | ||
| But Alex is delusional. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Alex is delusional. | ||
| Like, he's just like, oh, you can't be outside this behavior. | ||
| So anyway, the wheat, say goodbye to the chaff. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Y'all are getting split up. | ||
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Okay. | |
| All right, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| Everything is coming to a head around the world. | ||
| The quickening is here. | ||
| A cascade of crescendos and finales that only trigger larger explosions of awakening and incredibly powerful counter-explosions of evil. | ||
| The goats are being separated from the sheep, the wheat from the chaff, the gold from the pewter. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That is the great time that we live in, my friends. | ||
| All right. | ||
| This is a total information overload transmission. | ||
| I must cover it all. | ||
| Let me tell you what's coming up. | ||
| First off, betrayal. | ||
| One of the most despicable things there is. | ||
| I've got so much news to cover today, and starting it off, betrayal sucks. | ||
| News break. | ||
| I can't get enough of the idea of somebody else at any news station just being like, all right, we have got a great show today. | ||
| Our top story, betrayal! | ||
| That guy who used to work for me sucks now. | ||
| Anderson Cooper opens up his show shitting on Don Lemon. | ||
| Oh, this is, there's so much news going on. | ||
| First and only, I'm going to personally bash this dick. | ||
| What? | ||
| Don Lemon is a snake. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| God, yes. | ||
| Yeah, it's a little, it's fun. | ||
| So you also heard the coming back from break music at the beginning there. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And that's because Alex waited until after the first five minutes to get into Owen's stuff. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| He killed time during that part that isn't on radio stations or whatever. | ||
| Nobody cares. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He knows what the people want. | ||
| I don't want you to miss my great I hate Owen takes. | ||
| Or he doesn't want to repeat himself five minutes into the show for the benefit of people who aren't watching online. | ||
| God, see, this is what needs to happen. | ||
| And what's probably not going to happen because it's not how real life works, right? | ||
| But the thing that would happen is he would try and cover the straight news, but no matter what he did, things would pop out, right? | ||
| But I think he's just going to go straight for it and do nothing else, right? | ||
| What if he does both? | ||
| Okay, I'm listening. | ||
| So he, betrayal? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Betrayal is bad. | ||
| But you know what's worse? | ||
| Nuclear war. | ||
| Premeditated betrayal. | ||
| First off, betrayal is one of the most despicable things there is. | ||
| And particularly betrayal that is carefully crafted. | ||
| And that is premeditated. | ||
| To know that someone who acts like they're your friend is plotting and scheming and Manipulating and to just disregard it because you're a loyal person, and then to see that individual betray not just you, but the crew and the idea of what we are and how embattled we are and to try to cast us as the villains and he as the hero and the victim. | ||
| I will not put up with it. | ||
| So, Alex gave away two games in that clip, all while he thought he was sounding poetic and really composed. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The first is that he's complaining that Owen wanted to make himself the victim. | ||
| There was a little bit of that, but I honestly felt like Owen was a bit restrained on that front. | ||
| He could have gone way harder if he wanted to be the victim. | ||
| Should have gone. | ||
| He went to jail because of Alex. | ||
| He could have just yelled that over and over and over if he wanted. | ||
| Conversely, as soon as Alex decided to attack Owen, he barged into the American Journal set while they were live on air and started rambling about Owen's phone call with him the day before, which Alex described as being like between a crack whore and a pimp. | ||
| Owen was extorting Alex for more money and being an asshole, and it almost made Alex cry. | ||
| Like he's the one who's making himself a victim. | ||
| I, I mean, that first off, all right, if you here's what Owen is thinking: like, I gave him 10 years, you'd think he would be happy that I'm ready to set off on my own and all that stuff. | ||
| Because he's never, I guess, heard of people who have been in a situation before, because this is how it always goes. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| The person that you're working for is incapable of viewing you as anything other than something that must be destroyed now because you will try and take something from him. | ||
| And he's the only person who has anything that should be, you know, he's the only person that matters. | ||
| But like, honestly, because of that 6 a.m. tweet, I honestly think that Owen was close. | ||
| You think so? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think he was close to managing whatever they were going through into being a amicable divorce. | ||
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Sure. | |
| But he said things on that stream that I don't think he realized were as offensive and inflammatory as they were. | ||
| I think I agree with you. | ||
| I will say this, though. | ||
| I would also say that if there wasn't anything really inflammatory or even inflammatory at all, I still think if Alex watched it, he would find something to hate. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like the only way you get away is if he never watches it. | ||
| Yeah, if somehow he gets distracted today or like at seven after he had tweeted this classy thing, if like, I don't know, Trump bombed somebody or whatever, then maybe his attention's diverted somewhere else and you manage to like, I'll never get around to watching that five hours. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I think, I think even, I think just being forced to watch five hours would make Alex angry enough to destroy it. | ||
| That's probably true. | ||
| So Alex is describing his own impulses here. | ||
| He likes to paint himself as the hero and victim in every situation because he knows that if he inhabits those roles, he can dodge so much deserved criticism. | ||
| The Sandy Hook cases are a perfect example of this tendency that he has, where he's the valiant hero standing up for free speech and against judicial tyranny. | ||
| And he's also the victim in the whole thing. | ||
| How many times has he whined about how no one remembers Adam Lanza's name and how everyone thinks he did the shooting? | ||
| The valiant hero role allows him to insist that the audience needs to keep buying his shit to enable the inevitable victory. | ||
| And the victim status allows him to deflect criticism about how he's in the situation he's in because of his actions. | ||
| He knows how powerful this hero-victim combination is, which is why he's attacking Owen like this. | ||
| It's ironically the best way for Alex to claim the status of hero and victim in this exchange by pretending that that's what Owen's doing. | ||
| The second thing that Alex reveals in that clip is right here. | ||
| I'm going to play a little snippet again. | ||
| To see that individual betray not just you, but the crew and the idea of what we are and how embattled we are. | ||
| Alex is particularly upset that Owen betrayed the business and the idea of how embattled they are. | ||
| Owen broke Kayfabe and he exposed the business. | ||
| Owen shouldn't be critical of permanent going out of business sales if Alex was always sincere about being this close to going out of business. | ||
| Owen shouldn't think the buy this pill or you're gonna die type marketing is manipulative unless he knows that the stuff Alex sells is all bullshit. | ||
| Owen shouldn't want to create a new show that's not just all ads all day if he really believed that the way that Alex was operating was above board. | ||
| And like I said on our last episode, the fact that Owen said that shit multiple times on his stream was a direct insult to Alex. | ||
| You can say he's a dumb alcoholic and he'll roll with that punch. | ||
| But if you're his number two guy who just quit abruptly, you can't call out the sales tactics Alex uses without risking the audience starting to see through them. | ||
| That's unacceptable. | ||
| And I honestly suspect that this is a large piece of why Alex is mad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, you can't fuck with the business. | ||
| Yeah, you're going to cut into the bottom line. | ||
| The business is the best. | ||
| Like, what are you going to? | ||
| Oh, he's ugly. | ||
| Yeah, of course I am. | ||
| I don't give a shit. | ||
| But you're going to take a dollar away from me? | ||
| I'll fucking kill you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| I think that he, when he says he, they betrayed the idea of how embattled we are. | ||
| It's like, okay, man. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| He said we were doing okay. | ||
| How could he? | ||
| How could he? | ||
| Our entire business relies on us barely scraping by every single second of the day. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| So Owen also wanted to create the picture that he was censored because censorship is really attractive to these people. | ||
| It is the holy grail out there to be censored because when you really are censored, people want to streis in effect, find out what's been censored. | ||
| And I've been really censored. | ||
| I've been really attacked. | ||
| And so is Infowars. | ||
| But I've never accused people of censoring or oppressing me who didn't do it. | ||
| And we had another talk show host about six years ago post on Twitter that we were censoring him. | ||
| He didn't say what. | ||
| I came into him and I said, what did we ever censor? | ||
| What did we ever do? | ||
| And he said, I'm not talking to you about it. | ||
| You know you're censoring me. | ||
| And I said, how? | ||
| I said, listen, do it again. | ||
| You're fired. | ||
| And about a year later, they were uploading his morning show. | ||
| And this happens, you know, every once in a while. | ||
| And only the first hour went up. | ||
| And he flipped out and went online and said that he was being censored by us. | ||
| And I called him up and he started yelling at me. | ||
| Don't you give me that. | ||
| And I said, the guys, all the time we upload stuff everywhere. | ||
| They'll upload it. | ||
| I mean, what were you talking about? | ||
| He was bashing Trump. | ||
| And I said, that's it. | ||
| You're fired, man. | ||
| Not because of what he was saying about topics. | ||
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| But because he was saying we were censoring him. | ||
| And that was David Knight. | ||
| So I've got a real problem with this. | ||
| And I took the high road on that because I wasn't very close to David Knight. | ||
| And he was kind of the grumpy old man and was just frustrated that his show wasn't as popular as mine. | ||
| And I promoted it and just had a chip on his shoulder. | ||
| And I mean, I did stuff like, you know, give him hundreds of thousands of dollars when he had a heart attack and hire both his sons and kiss his ass. | ||
| And the more I was nice to him, the more he just got angry and hateful. | ||
| And then he's gone out since then and disgraced himself and said that just I flat out censored him on things. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Show the proof. | ||
| Not true. | ||
| I mean, this is ridiculous. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I have zero interest in Alex relitigating his relationship with David Knight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| That clip is telling, though, because Alex is speaking some real truth when he says that being censored is the holy grail for him. | ||
| It's the most powerful marketing tool for non-listeners. | ||
| The idea that someone isn't letting him say what he wants to say, that there's some kind of truth he's offering that the man doesn't want you to hear. | ||
| That's the kind of allure that draws in curious minds. | ||
| And that's really all Alex needs. | ||
| If 95% of those people end up watching the show and seeing that he's kind of boring and repetitive and it's mostly ads, all he cares about is that 5% of them who tuned in didn't immediately see that he was a scammer and might watch again. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| There are potential customers that he wouldn't have reached any other way. | ||
| And the best way to draw them in is with the promise of forbidden information that's being kept from you. | ||
| It's why Alex put duct tape on his mouth outside his trial in Texas with the word censored on it. | ||
| He was doing a marketing stunt because without the appearance that he's revealing hidden information that the system doesn't want you to know, it would be almost impossible to attract anyone to this dumb show. | ||
| The thing I think is funny is that Alex is explaining that Owen said that Alex censored him because being censored is the holy grail. | ||
| So obviously you want to fake being censored for attention. | ||
| And then Alex immediately realized that he needed to make sure no one thinks that he does that all the time. | ||
| He had to get very defensive about that and then start complaining about David Knight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| I mean, just the idea that, I mean, no, they probably don't. | ||
| They don't understand the concept. | ||
| Like, they don't understand that CBS News and Paramount, like, settling the lawsuit and just doing that whole thing. | ||
| That is censorship. | ||
| It's not, I understand that you think it has to be like, you can't say this, but just the soft power of knowing what, who's who, knowing who's got the choice at the end of the day is censorious. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And there is a big spectrum of what is censor. | ||
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| Like, there are so many versions of passive censorship that people engage in that they may be aware of, they might not be. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so many of Alex's actions and the way he treats his staff are wildly censory. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And just because he doesn't say, don't say that, or whatever, it doesn't, it doesn't matter. | ||
| Right. | ||
| No, and he's right. | ||
| The censorship that you want is the bullshit. | ||
| It's the censorship that makes you uncensored. | ||
| You know, it's the censorship. | ||
| He doesn't want. | ||
| It's why everyone's comedy special is called canceled or whatever for a couple years. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You don't want the censorship of just regular ass being ignored. | ||
| That's worse than anything else. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| So, you know, Owen, you know that guy? | ||
| I've heard of him, although I really, I don't remember him being involved with Infowars, to be honest. | ||
| I think, what? | ||
| He just showed up one day. | ||
| He's there for a cup of coffee. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| He's also a fucking liar. | ||
| Well. | ||
| Owen Schroyer has now done this, and the way he did it is particularly deceptive. | ||
| Like, he thinks I'm stupid. | ||
| Got a very aggressive phone call from him with him yesterday. | ||
| And then he ran off and did his publicity stunt at my expense, the crew's expense, at this institution's expense. | ||
| And I mean, just lie after lie for life. | ||
| I mean, I've got, and we're checking with lawyers right now, but I've got his tax filings. | ||
| I've got what he's paid. | ||
| I've got everything here. | ||
| Said he hadn't had a raise since 2018. | ||
| Since 2018, he's had multiple raises of $80,000 on top of what he was paid before and huge bonuses. | ||
| Have them all right here. | ||
| Who these people think they are? | ||
| Man, this is reckless stuff. | ||
| Owen's claim and Alex's threat, all reckless as hell. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| This is ugly. | ||
| I do, I do like, I'm going to call lawyers, and then immediately I'm willing to tell people about your salary again. | ||
| This is on TV. | ||
| I'm going to give vague ideas about your salary. | ||
| Not going to say too many specifics. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Big pauses to make you think that I'm really telling the truth about it. | ||
| Jiggling around this paper. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| You know it's true. | ||
| Dude. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| So Alex wasn't going to watch the stream. | ||
| And I believe that based on his 6 a.m. tweet. | ||
| Five hours. | ||
| Yeah, it's too long. | ||
| I think he was just going to let bygones be bygones. | ||
| But then people kept asking about it and he had to respond. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| I didn't do any of these things. | ||
| And to watch the way, and I couldn't watch the whole five hours. | ||
| I wasn't even going to watch it. | ||
| People kept sending me clips and my phone was blowing up and all these text messages. | ||
| And is this true? | ||
| Is that true? | ||
| And I started watching it. | ||
| And notice it's why I'm leaving Infowars. | ||
| Not I quit or I was fired leaving a nebulous, but just get him on the screen. | ||
| I can't look at him. | ||
| And he's like, oh, I understand why he didn't want me talking about Trump. | ||
| He'll have his access cut off. | ||
| That's why I've got to go. | ||
| Oh, I understand the things I was doing were really causing the problem. | ||
| No, they weren't. | ||
| I never told him you ought to do this or that. | ||
| I said, hey, you should, you can attack Trump all you want, but hey, we also need to stay on top of the Democrats here. | ||
| I said that on air. | ||
| I never even said that to him in person. | ||
| I said on air. | ||
| That's what talk show hosts do. | ||
| I started out on talk radio. | ||
| Other shows on the same station, the morning show talks about the afternoon show, and they disagree and agree, and they have debates. | ||
| That's normal. | ||
| We're not in a cult here. | ||
| I'm not censoring somebody because I say I'm not throwing the baby out with the bathwater. | ||
| I have Nick Fuentez on who says he's totally done with Trump. | ||
| And I say, you're making good points. | ||
| I can see why you say it, but I disagree on this, this, and that. | ||
| And Nick doesn't go, oh, my God, you're censoring me because you disagree with me. | ||
| That's not what that is. | ||
| And I talked to Nick this morning, and he obviously thinks that, or I even told him what went on, that, you know, Owen handled it completely wrong. | ||
| Nick likes me. | ||
| So it's not normal for the afternoon show on a station to have a beef with the midday show. | ||
| In fact, it's a feature of a very unhealthy work environment. | ||
| A major problem that Alex refuses to acknowledge is that he's the only person with any power at Infowars, and he's also the main slash only talent. | ||
| He runs a terrible company that sucks to work at, and his content is shit. | ||
| So he only attracts potential employees that have nowhere else to go. | ||
| Once they start working there, they quickly realize that their careers and media are over and no one will hire them again. | ||
| So Alex essentially has them trapped. | ||
| They're low talent figures doing jobs that are out of their reach anywhere else. | ||
| And if Owen is any example to go by, then they're getting paid way more than they would in any other position that they're qualified for. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| The only way to survive in that environment is to fly under the radar, have deep loyalty to the king, or find some blackmail on him that'll ensure that he leaves you alone. | ||
| He may think that he's not censoring anyone because he doesn't bleep stuff or because he doesn't write no talking bad about Trump on the wall. | ||
| But in his position in the company, doing things like making fun of Owen, ostracizing him, or having an on-air feud with him is meant to send a message. | ||
| The power imbalance that exists in that office is absurd. | ||
| And I'm certain that everyone there knows exactly what that means. | ||
| I mean, it's so clear just by the way that Owen did his five-hour live stream, how much power is still being exerted over him. | ||
| He's still restrained. | ||
| He's still being like, well, I don't have anything bad to say about Alex. | ||
| Why? | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| He's never going to like you. | ||
| This is going to happen, right? | ||
| So fucking go. | ||
| There's a like 98% chance that this is going to happen or worse. | ||
| How could you not know that? | ||
| Right. | ||
| You're betting on this 2% chance of not Rocky Waters or Choppy Waters. | ||
| And it's just, it's insane. | ||
| And you've been there for so long. | ||
| You would have to be able to do that. | ||
| I think Alex is fucking scary. | ||
| Right, I get that. | ||
| But that's the only way to take the power imbalance back is to fucking go scorched earth. | ||
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| And instead he tried to be an idiot. | ||
| But I bet working for him for 10 years would leave an impression of like the way he behaves. | ||
| The psychological scars are what keeps him somehow still in line, even when he's free. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| Spubber. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| So one of the problems that Owen had was Alex trying to force guests on him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And Alex talks about that here. | ||
| It was as I started this morning. | ||
| I didn't do my workout because I was busy and I decided, okay, I'm going to go ahead and watch these clips. | ||
| And I sat there and what made me really mad was he was acting all sad and hurt and oh, you know, this happened. | ||
| And well, it was like innuendo for hours and hours. | ||
| And at the end, oh, Alex never censored me. | ||
| But he stood over my shoulder. | ||
| Yeah, like, what, once a month, come in to give me something? | ||
| Which when he was hired, that was part of the thing. | ||
| That's why there's microphones in the control rooms. | ||
| I want everybody to get on air. | ||
| Hey, breaking news. | ||
| I'll come in and hand them a, did you see this on Fox? | ||
| This just happened. | ||
| Go tell Owen. | ||
| Doesn't mean have him on. | ||
| He was mad. | ||
| He told the crew that I'll have a guest on and say, hey, you're here. | ||
| You're a huge guest. | ||
| Nick Fuentez is an example. | ||
| Or whoever, Roger Stone, whoever it is. | ||
| Hey, did they book you? | ||
| Hey, call Owen, see if he wants them on. | ||
| Owen told the crew that that was me controlling a show, just helping a newsroom. | ||
| Hey, you want to go on another show? | ||
| Let's see if they can have a slot for you. | ||
| That's what he's got. | ||
| So I've heard what Alex is describing happen a bunch of times, and it's not always with people who you would call big guests. | ||
| He'll be talking with someone, and they'll be a good fit for the rhythm, and he'll offer them a spot on Owen's show without asking Owen. | ||
| Presumably during the next commercial break, Alex would run it by Owen. | ||
| But now he's put Owen in a terrible position. | ||
| He has to say yes to this booking, or he has to say no and make Alex rescind the invitation that he's just made to someone on air. | ||
| It's unprofessional and disrespectful to Owen's ability to run his own show, particularly because this would usually be at like an hour or two before Owen's show is supposed to start. | ||
| And in theory, he would have done some prep for the show. | ||
| So you're asking him to toss out whatever he's done in order to have this guest on. | ||
| That's rude. | ||
| Alex has to understand that this behavior is not him making a request of Owen. | ||
| It's a demand. | ||
| And because it involves guest booking, it has a heavy influence on the content of the show that Owen will end up doing. | ||
| I can get how Alex would think that he's not forcing Owen to do anything, but a functional business wouldn't tolerate this kind of management style. | ||
| If this is something that Alex has done a bunch and Owen has made it clear that he doesn't like it and he would like Alex to stop, the fact that Alex doesn't stop sends a clear message that he doesn't care about Owen's preference and he doesn't respect his autonomy as a show creator and host. | ||
| All of this could be solved with the human resources department or some therapy. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Like this is not that complicated. | ||
| It's just Alex running a bad workplace. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Do you remember how in the 70s they would have like on TV on talk shows, they would have the psychiatrists or therapists or whomever, you know, amateur scientists with case studies and they would bring like a child on because they'd just written a book about how weird this kid was and everybody was like, this is totally okay to broadcast. | ||
| When Alex tries to describe events where I know what happened, seeing how it gets turned into what he says happened would make for such a great 70s case study. | ||
| Like as a kid, he should have been abused by being forced to be on TV and talking about how strange he is to everybody. | ||
| That would make more sense than this. | ||
| Yeah, this is rough. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I think that, you know, the stuff that I'm describing about the terrible ship that he runs, I think it's evidenced by the fact that he's doing this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, this is a bad leader. | ||
| How could you not know this was going to happen? | ||
| You've seen it happen before. | ||
| Right? | ||
| And it gets so much worse as we go through. | ||
| This is still kind of coiled spring for Alex. | ||
| He's still not letting loose. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So everyone out there, they just want to pretend that Alex is a censor. | ||
| They just want to pretend that he's all like controlling everybody. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| That's what he's got. | ||
| That's what David Knight had because they need to be censored. | ||
| They need me to be the villain. | ||
| Oh, my gosh. | ||
| One time they only uploaded the first hour of his show instead of three. | ||
| And so the evil people that just uploaded everywhere and 99% of the time get it right, they made a mistake. | ||
| Finally, Alex Jones censored me. | ||
| Finally. | ||
| Oh, finally, it's so good. | ||
| It's so I'm a victim. | ||
| I'm the best. | ||
| He's bad. | ||
| See, he was evil. | ||
| I was good. | ||
| How you doing? | ||
| That's why people that bash me, and I've talked about this a lot on air, you see it all the time. | ||
| I'll have a guest on and we go to break. | ||
| And they post it and go, look, when they talked about this subject, he went to break. | ||
| And they don't show that coming out of break, we always come back to it, or that the breaks have been set for 27 years at the exact same time. | ||
| Got one coming up in 14 minutes, 20 seconds. | ||
| Set your watch by it. | ||
| It's an atomic clock. | ||
| They censor by not showing you what they said after and then invert it and say, I censored. | ||
| That's what other people do because this is the whole thing to manufacture censorship. | ||
| I don't know what guests Alex is talking about in particular, but I have to assume he's talking about us. | ||
| I can't imagine any other news company making fun of when Alex goes to break abruptly. | ||
| Like, that's crazy. | ||
| Yeah, that is weird. | ||
| That seems like something we have done. | ||
| I find it strange to imagine he is not talking about, or at least fictional us. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Like, whatever it is he thinks has happened, it's not because the New York Times was doing it. | ||
| No. | ||
| So it is true that Alex's radio clock dictates when he has to take a break, but his show doesn't run smoothly off that. | ||
| There's times when he skips unessential breaks and he stormed off his set plenty of times when it wasn't commercial time. | ||
| That said, I feel like there have been times when an uncomfortable conversation has happened just before a break and we've made fun of how awkward it feels. | ||
| I definitely know we've done that. | ||
| In some of those cases, a topic might get picked up again after the break, but I can tell you for sure that it doesn't always. | ||
| No. | ||
| A lot of times they just leave it alone. | ||
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| I mean, we've seen him know that a break is coming and be like, you know what? | ||
| I'm just going to wait out the clock on this one and you'll just get like 30 seconds of time. | ||
| Talking your way out. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And then just we're done. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You can see here, though, that Alex is definitely invested in presenting himself as the victim who's being censored while complaining about how Owen is trying to present himself as the victim who's being censored. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Keep in mind that these are the guys who would make fun of minority groups for engaging in what they call the oppression Olympics. | ||
| Like these guys are clowns. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Boy, I think you are giving up the game when you're saying anybody is trying to manufacture censorship. | ||
| Because that's, I mean, he worked for you. | ||
| True. | ||
| Right? | ||
| He learned from the best. | ||
| I mean, yeah, what else is there to say? | ||
| He's revealing, again, your business practices. | ||
| That's why you're mad at him. | ||
| Your actual practice, you know, all of these. | ||
| He's breaking Kayfabe. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's almost as easy as that. | ||
| And then probably also just some personal. | ||
| I think they hated each other for a long time. | ||
| Or at least a while. | ||
| I don't think they like each other much. | ||
| He won a contest for being the cock destroyer. | ||
| Yeah, it wasn't a formal contest. | ||
| But yeah, it might as well have been. | ||
| I'll say this. | ||
| It would have really galled me to give that man a raise at all. | ||
| I would have tried to fire him immediately. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because, you know, you got to fire him. | ||
| Because if you don't, he's going to lie about you on stream like he did. | ||
| He's a fucking liar. | ||
| That's what other people do because this is the whole thing to manufacture censorship. | ||
| And so you can have a Streisand effect. | ||
| Oh, there was bad stuff going on. | ||
| Yeah, I had to go this and that. | ||
| And I mean, like, we're not human. | ||
| That's very sociopathic. | ||
| We're not human. | ||
| And to boost yourself so you can get a million live streamers watching and hear it is right here. | ||
| You know, couldn't do that on regular news topics. | ||
| Though Owen's done some great stuff and done great works. | ||
| Why I hired him. | ||
| No, no, no, but for whatever reason, if I can just get that hit again, I'll just come out and attack Alex Jones and play victim and act sad the whole time. | ||
| And it's not true. | ||
| I will not be stepped on. | ||
| I just, I think that his response is at this point a bit boring. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because he's not letting himself feel it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| This is still like trying to hold back a little bit. | ||
| You can see a little moment of yelling here and there, but not like bah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| His tie isn't bursting off. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| The Kool-Aid man needs to burst through the wall. | ||
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| Because I'm sick of this shit. | ||
| And it will happen. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But first, there's still a little bit of a lull. | ||
| And in that lull, Alex threatens to reveal Owen's salary. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So, Owen, tell us again you hadn't had a raise since 2018. | ||
| Is $80,000 increase in three different raises? | ||
| Is that a $80,000 on top of what you're getting paid? | ||
| Tell people what you are paid? | ||
| Too much. | ||
| Got the clips. | ||
| How about telling people, how about telling people about the bonuses? | ||
| Or the Hellcat I gave you? | ||
| Just as a friend. | ||
| Here, have my Hellcat. | ||
| It was worth about $60,000 on game team. | ||
| It was $85,000 when I bought it. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Tell me all about how bad I am again. | ||
| So if somebody will lie about people he said was his friend for 10 years like that and so nakedly. | ||
| That's a really nice person. | ||
| So I didn't play a clip of it on our show, but Owen claimed in his stream that he hadn't gotten a raise in years and he's living basically paycheck to paycheck. | ||
| That's obviously not true unless his mortgage and car payments are comically high. | ||
| And Alex is ready to call Owen's bluff. | ||
| This could be pretty bad for Owen because it would be him getting caught in a very clear lie if he's lying about this. | ||
| But it could also cut both directions. | ||
| This could be a really bad move for Alex too, because if people find out what Owen was making at Infowars, they're going to start to understand the level of money they were bringing in. | ||
| And then Owen's criticisms of the marketing strategies start to look a lot more sinister. | ||
| If Owen is making more than $150,000 a year and he was getting bonuses, it really starts to look like Alex could have done some belt tightening if he was really in such financial trouble instead of just lashing out at the audience and doing constant ads and programming that looks like it's sponsored. | ||
| This threat that Alex is making is close to mutually assured destruction. | ||
| If you can give someone a $60,000 car and it doesn't really matter, it doesn't really affect you all that much, then you're very rich. | ||
| And I think Alex's audience likes to imagine him as doing good, but not that good. | ||
| Not I can give away a car and not think about it good. | ||
| I think in Alex's defense, that car is not his and probably might eventually be sold anyways. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's a lot easier to give somebody a car if you already owe one and a half billion dollars. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know when this did or didn't happen. | ||
| So like, I don't know if it was part of the great car giveaway with his dad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| And if that's the case, obviously less charitable. | ||
| Less magnanimous. | ||
| But I also think that, you know, like when he raffles off a car, you know, like you can know that this is the business doing it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| This isn't his money. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Or whatever. | ||
| This is theoretically InfoWars money. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so like, it's easier to detach from that than him just giving Owen a car. | ||
| And I think the harsh reality of like, these people are fucking rich. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think that would hurt their image. | ||
| I can't. | ||
| Listen. | ||
| Owen, I understand he was paid that money through an agreement with InfoWars, and that's fine. | ||
| That's what they've all done. | ||
| But commensurate with his talent, that man was stealing money. | ||
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| That was a theft. | ||
| That was daylight robbery. | ||
| That's crazy that he's getting paid. | ||
| The idea that he's getting paid $80,000 as opposed like over time that it is now $80,000 is too much money for this man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So one of the big gripes that Owen had is the booking of guests and Alex trying to push guests on him. | ||
| And it turns out one of them was maybe more specific. | ||
| And so let me tell you what happened here. | ||
| I'll get to all the other news that's coming up. | ||
| Owen, last Thursday, I'm all stressed out. | ||
| My dad's had open heart surgery. | ||
| It went well. | ||
| I'm driving back up to Temple to see him, you know, driving back and forth. | ||
| Came down on Thursday to do the show in the morning, drove up here at like 5 a.m., do my show, get in the car, leave, and Kyle Seraphin starts texting me saying, hey, I just got sued by Cash Patel's girlfriend. | ||
| Plus, he found a secret J6 database to secretly persecute people on this man. | ||
| I go, well, that's huge. | ||
| I said, well, can you go on Owen's show if he's got a slot? | ||
| And he said, yeah, when? | ||
| He said, 4:30. | ||
| So I call up Rob Agueros, who's the producer at that time. | ||
| And I say, hey, see if Owen wants him on. | ||
| He's got a slot. | ||
| He can come on anytime after 4:30. | ||
| And then Rob calls back and he says, well, what's the topics? | ||
| And I said, well, just call Seraphin. | ||
| And I said, I'll send a voice memo to Owen. | ||
| So Owen, during the break, listens to it and says, that's it. | ||
| I'm leaving. | ||
| And says I'm controlling his show in a newsroom saying, hey, this is a big thing. | ||
| I can't do it. | ||
| Because, you know, I stay up here at 90 reports. | ||
| I'd have done it. | ||
| Here's this thing. | ||
| You know, we're a team. | ||
| And that's been like that ever since he was here and before he was here. | ||
| This is an element of the story that I didn't bring up on our last episode because it didn't seem all that relevant to Owen's side of the story. | ||
| But now that we're hearing Alex's side, it is. | ||
| On Wednesday, Alex butted into the Alex Jones show that Owen was hosting in order to bring in Kyle Serafin to talk about the mass shooter that they wanted to identify. | ||
| The next day, Alex was trying to get Owen to book Seraphin on the war room, which prompted Owen to walk out. | ||
| Alex included an interesting detail there, which is that Seraphin wanted to talk about how Kosh Patel's girlfriend is suing him. | ||
| And I think this might be part of what set Owen off. | ||
| Kyle Serafin is a dipshit right-wing media personality, but his claim to fame is that he used to be in the FBI. | ||
| So he's got all those connections and sources. | ||
| He's legit. | ||
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Right. | |
| Because of this credibility costume, he's one of the people that Alex is trying to use as like a new Steve Pachenek. | ||
| And you can tell that Alex is deeply invested in courting him. | ||
| Serafin does his own show, not on Infowars. | ||
| And on that show, he's accused Kash Patel's girlfriend of being an Israeli agent and part of a honeypot operation. | ||
| His assertion is that she seduced Patel under false pretenses on behalf of a foreign government. | ||
| And now that he's the head of the FBI, she's controlling him through blackmail. | ||
| Fun. | ||
| Serafin said, quote, he's got a girlfriend that's half his age, who apparently is both a country singer, a political commentator on Rumble, a friend of John Rich through Bongino, who also now owns a big chunk of Rumble. | ||
| And she's also a former Mossad agent in what is like the equivalent of their NSA. | ||
| But I'm sure that's totally because she's like really looking for a cross-eyed, you know, kind of thickish-built, super cool bro who's almost 50 years old and who's Indian in America. | ||
| Like it has nothing to do with the fact that we're really close to the Trump administration. | ||
| Anyway, I'm sure it's totally just like love. | ||
| That's what real love looks like. | ||
| This was after he directly said that Patel had, quote, his own little honeypot issue that's going on as of late. | ||
| What you going to do? | ||
| So unsurprisingly, Patel's girlfriend sued him for defamation. | ||
| If Alex was wanting to get Serafin on Owen's show, specifically to talk about how Patel's girlfriend is suing him for defamation, I can totally understand Owen not wanting to be a part of that. | ||
| It seems pretty clear that Serafin made defamatory claims about this lady, and there's no upside to Owen taking the risk of being involved. | ||
| The day before, when he and Alex had their last dance rushing to the identification of a shooter, it was for a cause. | ||
| That was a risk Owen was willing to take because it helped push transphobic propaganda. | ||
| But this? | ||
| Owen could get added to a new lawsuit just to help Kyle Serafin defend himself from the consequences of his actions? | ||
| That's no good. | ||
| If this is more of the reason of why Owen walked out on Thursday, then I think that was good thinking. | ||
| And he should have just not tried to come back. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like that's it's disrespectful for Alex to try and foist this on you. | ||
| I mean, any number of bad decisions have gotten us to where we are right now. | ||
| You know, I think everybody has responsibility for what's going on. | ||
| I mean, I think the most understandable thing in the world to get you to quit InfoWars is I'm tired of being sued. | ||
| And some suits you're willing to risk and some you're not. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But I mean, eventually, eventually, you just have to reach a point. | ||
| I've never been sued once. | ||
| I imagine being sued once too many times. | ||
| But if you're on like five or six, eventually it doesn't even matter what you're being sued for. | ||
| I'm just tired of being sued. | ||
| Yeah, but some of them are like, okay, I can spin this. | ||
| Like some lawsuits are a hassle and they're annoying, but they're like, you know, but you know what? | ||
| I can grandstand on this. | ||
| I could probably make a net positive out of it. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Like Kyle Seraphin is the kind of character that Owen has seen a thousand of come and go at Infowars in the 10 years that he's been there. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| There is no reason for him to stick his neck out in a position where the FBI director's girlfriend is suing him for defamation about very obviously defamatory things that he said about her. | ||
| So like, why get involved with that? | ||
| That's going to end up being not a net positive. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's just going to be a headache. | ||
| There is no, I mean, if you are looking at the current political climate and you're thinking, I think it's a good idea to go against anybody in the administration. | ||
| You are not understanding the laws. | ||
| Well, go against them on principle, but don't go against them on behalf of Kyle Seraphin wanting to talk shit about Kosh Patel's girlfriend. | ||
| Dumb, dumb. | ||
| It's a losing game. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So anyway, InfoWars is a bustling newsroom. | ||
| And Owen just didn't like that people would give him information. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| I mean, the guys are in there grabbing articles and videos and all, you know, when Owen's show is about to start, I run over there with stuff that I think is important. | ||
| Hey, you already have this. | ||
| I think this is pretty big. | ||
| You know about this? | ||
| That's what goes on in newspapers and TV stations and radio stations. | ||
| You know, it's like having a pig skin in a football game or a baseball in a baseball game or lights for a nighttime game or hot dogs and Coca-Cola being sold. | ||
| But see, in the world of victimhood, in the world of victimhood, that is like absolute, total censorship to give people information. | ||
| So that's not how all newsrooms operate, but it's how they're depicted in movies. | ||
| And so that's why Alex thinks there's paper flying everywhere and, oh, get this on my desk by three. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm also 100% certain that this isn't how Infowars operates. | ||
| Like most of Alex's content is dumb shit he saw on Twitter. | ||
| Like there's no people running around and like, boss, you got to go to look at this. | ||
| No, they've probably got a Slack channel that they all just post YouTube links into. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That's probably about the entirety. | ||
| A couple of TikToks here and there. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| They just get to their phones like, oh, this seems like you can yell about this for an hour. | ||
| And then they print them out. | ||
| They print out tweets. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So that, like, Alex is just doing a newsroom. | ||
| Right. | ||
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Totally. | |
| They're just giving people information. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's a pig skin or a hot dog. | ||
| I mean, yeah. | ||
| And that's called censoring. | ||
| But that's how he's been fake. | ||
| He was standing over me. | ||
| You know, actually, if we did our job better, I would be doing that every day, not bringing him something once a week. | ||
| Hey, in here on the computer, I just grabbed it off Fox off the satellite. | ||
| Hey, we have raw feeds too off satellites. | ||
| Hey, look at this raw feed. | ||
| Come get this. | ||
| That's so bad. | ||
| That's bad, isn't it? | ||
| Like, I'm running around at big TV screens with satellite feeds and saying, look at this, look at that. | ||
| I mean, that is just horrible. | ||
| I sit in the coffee room that's got satellite feeds and eat my lunch at three o'clock. | ||
| And then I sit there and text the crew. | ||
| Hey, this looks interesting. | ||
| That looks interesting. | ||
| Man, I want to apologize right now. | ||
| I mean, you're talking nasty evil, okay? | ||
| Being a newshound. | ||
| I mean, I want to apologize, actually, to Owen, for that. | ||
| But that's the type of sophistry where you go, oh, he would hang over me. | ||
| He would try to control the show. | ||
| He would whatever. | ||
| Total lie. | ||
| Classic sophistry. | ||
| Man, that's like seeing Coco the gorilla sign of word. | ||
| You're like, man, how did you do that? | ||
| Well done. | ||
| Sophistry? | ||
| So Alex doesn't monitor raw satellite feeds and buzz around telling everyone about interesting things he saw. | ||
| This is all just a Twitter recap show. | ||
| And imagining him looking for content anywhere else is laughable. | ||
| This clip, though, is a good representation of one of Alex's primary tricks. | ||
| He's accused of something, and then to defend himself, he creates a fake version of the accusation and then misrepresents what that fake version of the accusation is. | ||
| So in this case, Owen is basically accusing Alex of micromanagement. | ||
| He wouldn't let Owen run his own show and injected himself into things constantly in a way that made Owen feel uncomfortable. | ||
| Alex has created a fake version of this accusation, which is that Alex would come into the war room and give him important breaking stories. | ||
| That's not what Owen said. | ||
| But because Alex is pretending that's what the complaint is, he can take that and mock it by saying that he's being accused of censorship because he gave a guy information. | ||
| Alex does tricks like this because it's essential that he be able to maintain the hero and victim status. | ||
| He was just a heroic journalist doing his duty by monitoring these raw satellite feeds, and now his alleged friend is out there stabbing him in his victim back. | ||
| It's all the sophistry. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It is multiple layers of bullshit in order to confuse how like once you start dealing with one level of bullshit, you've already lost because you've got two more to get through before you can even start talking about the thing that you were actually talking about. | ||
| And by the time you get to number two, he's off to three different other things. | ||
| You're fucked. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're never going to catch up. | ||
| You either dominate or you lose. | ||
| That's it with Alex. | ||
| So Alex, he's talking about this, the subtle lies about censorship. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And I think that he starts to get his motor running. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He starts to feel actually kind of mad about it. | ||
| Now we're actually mad. | ||
| Now we're out of professional mad and we're into personal mad. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And I believe in this clip is kind of where the hinge point happens. | ||
| And then as all the articles come out and Jones censored Schoyer on Trump criticism and Israel. | ||
| So let's see if Schroyer comes out and apologizes for you. | ||
| Oh, no, he's going to say, I didn't really exactly say that. | ||
| No, no, you couched each statement perfectly thought out and looking down at your notes to be able to lie about us and try to hurt this organization for your benefit so you can be a hero. | ||
| You are a snake. | ||
| You are a rat. | ||
| You are a fraud. | ||
| You are a backstabber. | ||
| You are a handbiter. | ||
| You are a disgrace. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| All right. | ||
| So we've got the name calling starting. | ||
| Oh, we got about six names in there, but one of them was Handbiter. | ||
| Handbite art. | ||
| Well, I get it. | ||
| That's not going to, that's not going to carry you over the goal line, you know? | ||
| Handbiter's not going to do it. | ||
| Well, he said, you're a snake. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You're a rat. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You're a. | ||
| And I thought he was going to say fish. | ||
| I was. | ||
| I thought we were going to go all animals. | ||
| I thought we were going to go with fucking asshole, but I think it's a good idea. | ||
| So look, as this dam breaks, and Alex is like, I'm fucking name-calling now. | ||
| Fuck it. | ||
| I'm starting to feel mad. | ||
| Hell yeah. | ||
| He realizes, you know what? | ||
| I fucking hated Owen for months. | ||
| That guy was being a real dick. | ||
| Let's start from the beginning. | ||
| So now Alex starts rewriting this shit where, like, you know what? | ||
| Fuck that guy. | ||
| That sounds true. | ||
| And let me say something else about you. | ||
| About you. | ||
| Even before he went to prison for four months, and we did the crowdfunding, Rays, fought everything for him, all that. | ||
| He stopped talking to the crew very much and didn't have a good attitude, was pissed off all the time. | ||
| And then it got to where he wouldn't, he'd show up right before the show, wouldn't even talk to the crew. | ||
| He'd walk by me and say something like, you know, start laughing at me. | ||
| Again, I'm not in junior high, so it didn't hurt me at that level. | ||
| It hurt me that he was just like, yeah. | ||
| That sounds true. | ||
| Owen, we can go further. | ||
| When The Onion backed by Bloomberg did the fraudulent auction and got caught in all of that back in November on November 13th, and I said, we're not leaving. | ||
| This is a fraud. | ||
| I'm filing emergency motion. | ||
| The judge found it to be a fraud. | ||
| Had a two-day hearing on all that. | ||
| Owen just left and just called the producer and said, I'm done. | ||
| I quit. | ||
| Even though we have a backup studio, I told everybody, hey, it's going to be fine. | ||
| We have new backers. | ||
| All this stuff we can shut down. | ||
| He's like, I'm gone. | ||
| Starts announcing, is this the time? | ||
| Because it was me to shut down. | ||
| He thinks, announced his new network and funding and all this stuff. | ||
| And then we're back the next day and Owen just shows back up and does his show and walks in and just looks, I mean, looks at me with hatred and like slinks in there. | ||
| Because he really wanted me to fire him so he could be a victim. | ||
| And I confided just a few of the producers. | ||
| I said he wants to be a victim. | ||
| I said, I'm going to have love and say prayers for him and it gets better. | ||
| I'll be really nice to him, give him extra bonuses. | ||
| Maybe he'll pull out of it. | ||
| I try to talk to him. | ||
| He's never wanted to talk to me. | ||
| And I said, but I said, he's going to stab me in the back. | ||
| He's a new person. | ||
| So my favorite part of that clip is towards the beginning, when Alex is trying to come up with a mean thing that Owen allegedly said to him, his mind is desperately trying to find an insult that Owen could have said that isn't too mean. | ||
| He's put himself into a strange box where he needs to write a line for Owen to say that's shitty enough that it stuck out to him to the point where he'd bring it up now. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But not so shitty that it would require him to have fired Owen back then. | ||
| Alex can come up with nothing. | ||
| So he just decides to laugh a bit. | ||
| Owen was laughing again. | ||
| Beyond that, though, Alex sounds like a real solid dude. | ||
| It's just an amazing boss. | ||
| He's so patient and generous. | ||
| When his employees are treating him like shit and abandon him in his darkest hour, he doesn't fire them. | ||
| He prays for them and then he gives them more money, hoping that they'll see the light. | ||
| When someone talks about themselves this way, that should be a huge red flag that they are a huge piece of shit. | ||
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Yep. | |
| And that this is not true. | ||
| I mean, sometimes it's fascinating to me how people work, right? | ||
| Because of all the things that people do now that don't make sense to me, one of them is like, listen to a man say this and not intervene immediately. | ||
| You know, like just those words. | ||
| Those words have never been spoken by somebody who's not crazy. | ||
| Like, it's just never happened. | ||
| I don't believe that those words have been spoken by someone who did pray for someone and wished them well and gave them more bonuses and tried to resolve the problem. | ||
| That person who goes through all those actions doesn't do this. | ||
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Nope. | |
| It's mutually exclusive. | ||
| If just fucking fascinating. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| Put him on a TV show in the 70s. | ||
| Be like, how does your brain work? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| That's it. | ||
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That's perfect. | |
| Bio-dome. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So, Owen, there's a chance that he might be. | ||
| Oh, is he doing drugs too? | ||
| He's on that weed. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So Alex is so magnanimous to a known drug user? | ||
| We don't know. | ||
| It's just possible. | ||
| He might be on that weed. | ||
| And I don't know if it's his personal life. | ||
| I don't know if it's stuff he's smoking. | ||
| But I've seen a lot of people get paranoid, you know, the smoke pot and go nuts. | ||
| But I mean, I can just tell you this right now: that I'm not here to be shit on or stabbed in the back. | ||
| This crew isn't your punching bag. | ||
| And we did nothing to you but be loyal. | ||
| Nobody said anything about the crew. | ||
| It was a five-hour extravaganza of little puppy dog that doesn't know why. | ||
| And he just wanted to come back and shake my hand and be nice. | ||
| And then I kind of censored him and said, no, you don't need to host your show. | ||
| You want to hear what he said in the phone call to me? | ||
| I didn't record it. | ||
| Oh. | ||
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Oh, that's that's tough. | |
| I don't think you're going to tell me the truth then. | ||
| Yeah, that makes me worried about credibility. | ||
| But he might be on that weed. | ||
| Owen might be on that weed. | ||
| I mean, amazing. | ||
| Amazing to be like, I've seen a lot of people smoke weed and go crazy. | ||
| Get paranoid. | ||
| And quit their jobs in a huff. | ||
| That happens to everybody. | ||
| Do a months-long premeditated publicity stunt. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Betrayal. | ||
| That's a weed behavior. | ||
| That's totally what people who are just doped out do. | ||
| What was it that Drake said about Rick Ross? | ||
| He was loopy on the Munjaro. | ||
| That might be what Alex is. | ||
| Alex might be loopy on the Munjaro. | ||
| Something like that. | ||
| So Alex didn't record that call. | ||
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No. | |
| And that's tough because, like you are saying, it makes it very hard to believe the upcoming story of the phone call. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| You want to hear what he said in the phone call to me? | ||
| I didn't record it. | ||
| I was in the pool with my eight-year-old daughter playing with her Barbie dolls at whatever it was, four o'clock yesterday. | ||
| You know, a rare day. | ||
| I actually only came in and worked the office about four hours. | ||
| So I go back. | ||
| She's literally calling me. | ||
| Daddy, you're supposed to be home. | ||
| You should be home at 10. | ||
| I want to play in the yard. | ||
| So I'm sitting there about 4 o'clock, bobbing around. | ||
| And I get a text message. | ||
| Hey, I'll see you at 10 a.m. tomorrow. | ||
| Because remember, I called him Thursday when he just got up and left. | ||
| I said, hey, what's wrong? | ||
| And he's like, Monday. | ||
| I mean, because he's the commander. | ||
| And so I sent him a few texts later. | ||
| I said, hey, can we talk now? | ||
| Ignores me. | ||
| So Monday rolls around. | ||
| Talk 10 a.m. tomorrow. | ||
| I got the text right here. | ||
| And I'm like, that's kind of late, maybe 9:30, whichever. | ||
| I said, how about we just talk right now? | ||
| I go, it's pretty clear you're about to quit. | ||
| He goes, you really want to do this right now? | ||
| I said, yeah. | ||
| So he calls up. | ||
| And while I'm calling him, he calls me. | ||
| So I pick it up. | ||
| And he starts talking to me like he's literally a pimp and I am a crackhorr. | ||
| He's like, here's how it's going to be. | ||
| I'm leaving. | ||
| And blah, blah, blah. | ||
| Well, what's the problem? | ||
| What's the thing? | ||
| Well, I mean, what can we do? | ||
| I mean, you know, I don't understand. | ||
| He's like, well, it's just gone on too long and whatever. | ||
| But I'll tell you this: if you're really desperate, if you're really desperate, you can pay me more money. | ||
| But I'll tell you this. | ||
| I'm going to promote my new show on Infowars. | ||
| And I went, which again, I'm not even against him having a show. | ||
| If he was nice, I was just like, it was just kind of like, I was like, well, yeah, I said, in the bankruptcy stuff, I can't really give you a raise. | ||
| But I said, that's okay, Owen. | ||
| He goes, well, you know what? | ||
| You know, it's a favor for you. | ||
| I'll come in and do a week. | ||
| I'm like, no, that's okay, Owen. | ||
| And I'm not, that's fine. | ||
| I wish you well. | ||
| And I hung up and literally got a tear in my eye because he was just like, just like Patrick Bateman or something. | ||
| And so I go back and get the pool and keep playing. | ||
| Oh, that seems like what you would do. | ||
| I'm sure that Owen did say that if Alex gave him more money, he'd stay. | ||
| And I'm sure that he said that no matter what, he was going to promote his new show on Infowars if he stayed. | ||
| But I don't believe any of the way Alex is telling this story, except for the part where he's in a pool. | ||
| I believe that. | ||
| I would say that that is probably true. | ||
| Although I suspect that an eight-year-old doesn't play with dolls inside a pool. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| Alex better hope Owen wasn't recording that call. | ||
| One of the main things I'm taking away from this response that Alex is having is that he's confident that Owen doesn't know anything that can actually hurt him. | ||
| This shit is way over the top. | ||
| And if I were Owen, I would burn Alex so fucking hard. | ||
| Owen's stream was way more insulting than he probably thought it came off, but it was fairly restrained in terms of what he could have said. | ||
| Now that Alex is responding this way, there's really nothing stopping him from going to the bankruptcy court or the FBI and telling them all that he knows about Alex's shadow ownership of the Alex Jones store. | ||
| There's a lot of problems that he could create, but Alex's actions indicate to me that he's pretty confident that Owen doesn't have actual proof of anything. | ||
| Because if he does, this is a risky move. | ||
| I mean, what would, you know, I think that would be giving Owen a lot of forethought and competence that I don't think he has. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, it's possible, but I would strongly believe that Owen, it never even occurred to Owen that maybe on his way out, he should take a little something as an insurance policy. | ||
| No, I bet it didn't even occur to him. | ||
| You're probably right. | ||
| I'm just saying that Alex is taking a really interesting gamble. | ||
| I'm with you. | ||
| I wouldn't risk it if I were him. | ||
| I mean, it doesn't make sense to me to risk doing your live stream if you're not going to go after Alex, right? | ||
| Like, it doesn't make sense any of the things that these people are doing. | ||
| Well, I think that the live stream largely was desperation. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There's a relevance that will fast approach if you don't strike now. | ||
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Right. | |
| And I think that he thought he was being really, really polite. | ||
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Of course. | |
| I think he did not realize like he was kicking Alex in the balls. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And because of that, he couldn't have gone farther because he didn't mean to. | ||
| I mean, I know, but it's like, do you not know where and who you are? | ||
| These people don't understand. | ||
| Like, I don't, I hate that all of them make all of their decisions wrong. | ||
| But it makes sense because we wouldn't be here if they made good decisions. | ||
| It indicates a certain amount more of being in the delusion than we realize. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| And that's scary. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So now it's just shit talk time. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So then he races out and goes on air and is like, you know, I'm just leaving because, you know, I know I can't talk about Trump. | ||
| And, you know, I know it hurts Jones' access. | ||
| And, you know, he really, you know, all innuendo. | ||
| He didn't have the guts to just tell the pure lie that I told him to do stuff, which I didn't. | ||
| And a bunch of other stuff. | ||
| I haven't even watched half of it. | ||
| It's just so painful to watch. | ||
| He's sitting there manipulating and wriggling around like a snake, trying to make it as bad as he can, but skate, skate the edge so he can say, I never did that because he's got the whole crew knows it's not true. | ||
| He's got the other hosts that know it's not true. | ||
| So he wants to pull a David Knight. | ||
| I mean, Harrison Smith says whatever he wants. | ||
| I walked this morning. | ||
| I said, have I ever told you not to say something? | ||
| He goes, no, it's actually, I'm surprised you haven't. | ||
| I'm kind of out of control. | ||
| But I like you're a good guy. | ||
| Just say whatever you want. | ||
| So, and I've got all the producers and all the people I've said on air, I think Owen's too blackpilled as an example and that we all should be more positive. | ||
| That's my opinion. | ||
| It's not an attack. | ||
| It's a discussion. | ||
| I don't think that Owen was being cagey and he was just too afraid to be direct about his complaints about Alex. | ||
| It felt more like he thought he was taking the high road, but didn't realize how bad what he was saying sounded. | ||
| This is the guy who is saying that he's going to be America's anchor man. | ||
| He's not working from a place of self-awareness. | ||
| So I can see it very easily be like, I just didn't realize. | ||
| Alex is being unfair to Owen's comments, like as unfair as he could be. | ||
| But that's his right. | ||
| Owen stepped a little too far, whether he was aware of that or not, and it pissed Alex off, and now this is happening. | ||
| But Alex also needs to recognize that what he's describing is an emotionally abusive workplace. | ||
| Alex is the only real boss at the company, and he's saying on his show that one of his employees is too blackpilled. | ||
| That's not a conversation or an interesting debate. | ||
| It's a public scolding that's meant to change Owen's behavior. | ||
| When Alex barges into Harrison's show and asks if he ever censors Harrison while they're live, what does he really expect Harrison to say? | ||
| That guy is an unambitious follower, so he would probably say no, sir, no matter what. | ||
| But anyone in that kind of situation is being put in a high-pressure position. | ||
| You have to say no, or else it's going to be a fight. | ||
| This guy owns the network. | ||
| He's your boss. | ||
| He just stormed onto your show uninvited and asked you if he censors you. | ||
| If you say yes, what do you think is going to happen next? | ||
| This is an emotionally manipulative tactic where Alex is demanding validation in a high-intensity public setting in order to all but ensure that the person responds the way he wants them to. | ||
| It's like someone proposing to a partner they're not sure will say yes on live TV or at a show. | ||
| The thinking is that they might say no privately, but if there's the pressure of the crowd, it's more likely they'll say yes. | ||
| Saying no requires you to publicly humiliate another person, and most people really don't want to do that. | ||
| It's the same with Alex's tactic. | ||
| All you need to know is that his son mimicked shooting himself in the head with a gun, with a finger gun while Alex barged into the studio earlier. | ||
| That says more than Harrison's like, no, you never censor me. | ||
| Yeah, his son was, ugh, kill me. | ||
| And it's just a lesson that I don't understand why people never learn. | ||
| Like, it doesn't matter if you say that he told you what to say or you imply that he put pressure on you to say things. | ||
| When Alex says it, you are going to say that he censored you. | ||
| You are lying about him. | ||
| That's what's going to happen. | ||
| Whatever you say, there's no thing that you say that won't result in Alex going, he's telling people that I told him what to say. | ||
| Even if you were like, sometimes Alex gave me a pizza if I did good. | ||
| He'd be like, he's telling me that, you know, fucking guy is a globalist. | ||
| If you're going to fight with him, then just fucking say it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| And say something that's going to get him off his forest. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| But like, I think that you look at that scenario with like, with Harrison, and like, if Alex is censoring them, him asking him on air, do I censor you? | ||
| The answer is going to be no. | ||
| And it's part of it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Right. | ||
| That's part of the censorship. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| So even if the answer is yes, the answer is going to be no on air because it's just, I don't know. | ||
| Do you know, do you know what, so a lot of slave owners, right? | ||
| They would ask people, they'd be like, do you like being a slave? | ||
| And the slaves would be like, we love being a slave because you murder us if we say we don't. | ||
| Yeah, it's an unreliable query. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're just forcing me to participate in my own humiliation. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Owen, one of the things that he was doing in his stream was really playing up how hurt he was that he didn't get to shake Alex's hand and go out positive. | ||
| He did play that up. | ||
| And Alex makes fun of that. | ||
| That's a good call. | ||
| Probably rightly. | ||
| That's a good call. | ||
| He then runs on air and is like, I just wanted to come back for a week and shake his hand. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| But he doesn't want to be my friend. | ||
| Let me tell you how it is. | ||
| I mean, literally. | ||
| Yeah, no, it's all over. | ||
| You can't get me back. | ||
| I tell you, though, if you're really desperate, and he said that, and I went, excuse me? | ||
| There was more. | ||
| And he goes, well, I mean, if you want to do something really desperate, and he was really getting off on it. | ||
| And I'm like, going, this is an evil son of a bitch, man. | ||
| Wow, I had a snake around here. | ||
| I had no idea. | ||
| And I literally started getting tears in my eyes because he was burning down like an old house. | ||
| It burns up in like two minutes. | ||
| He's burning down. | ||
| I'm just like, oh, and I got to go, man. | ||
| And I literally stumbled in the pool and I was just like, and I was like, I'm going to take the high road. | ||
| I called the crew. | ||
| I said, let's be nice. | ||
| Let's be sweet. | ||
| And then I started seeing the clips. | ||
| And Owen, man, you're a piece of crap, brother. | ||
| All right. | ||
| And if I was anybody, I wouldn't turn my back on Owen Schroer. | ||
| So, I mean, he took Snake to the next level. | ||
| So, Owen Schroyer's dead to me? | ||
| Oh, damn. | ||
| You mean to tell me that the cuck destroyer is unreliable, opportunistic, and maybe not to be trusted? | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| So Alex is completely out of line, and he's all over the place here. | ||
| But that whole, like, I just wanted to shake his hand thing, that was bullshit. | ||
| Yeah, no, good call. | ||
| Yeah, Alex is right to make fun of that. | ||
| Fuck that guy. | ||
| He should calm down, though. | ||
| This is all a little crazy. | ||
| And he should also be saying some prayers that Owen didn't record that call because if he did, Alex is committed to a story and that could be pretty bad. | ||
| Yeah, we'll see. | ||
| So, you know, now we've gotten into a territory where, like, for months, Owen has been a piece of shit. | ||
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Right. | |
| And I've hated him around the world. | ||
| We've established this. | ||
| And even though this story coincides with me being so nice that I've offered him multiple raises within this time period. | ||
| Only because he was in such a funk and I didn't want to. | ||
| Look, the truth is he just wanted to be a victim, and I didn't want to give him what he wanted. | ||
| Now, any perhaps prior knowledge of me or evidence of me that you might have seen during that time would have me be explosive, emotionally unsupportive, inconsistent, and maybe fucking crazy and mean. | ||
| That's my on-air character. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Behind the scenes, I'm a saint. | ||
| Just completely different. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So Alex talks about how, like, I would have fired him, but he wanted me to. | ||
| Owen Schroyer's dead to me. | ||
| If he goes on there and repents to Jesus and apologizes for being demon-possessed or whatever it is he is, then we won't forgive him. | ||
| Will you? | ||
| He thinks that he would like absorb us as a launch pad and lie about us to make himself a victim so he could project himself and launch his own show when he cut and run and didn't even call me or didn't even say anything or didn't even say, hey, what can I do? | ||
| He just cut and run and said, I'm done with you people when Bloomberg and the Onion came in here and ransacked this place and we stood up to him and won thanks to your backing and God's providence. | ||
| And the whole time, he was trying to cut and run. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| But then when he figured out that, oh, it's still there, he slunk back over and I never even came to him. | ||
| I said, hey, it's good to have you back, man. | ||
| Glad, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| Just, yeah. | ||
| Okay, sir. | ||
| It's like, people say, why was he swimming around like that? | ||
| Because I wasn't going to give him what he wanted. | ||
| But I was going to give him raises. | ||
| Knew what he was going to do, but I wanted to make sure. | ||
| It's one thing to know what somebody's going to do, but it's another to wait till they do it. | ||
| And he did it worse than I thought. | ||
| What about your prayers? | ||
| Owen thinks this new franchise is going to be talking crap about me. | ||
| He thinks his new franchise is going to be running down this fabled operation, this incredible crew and our supporters that are the Infowar? | ||
| Well, guess what, buddy? | ||
| You can piss up a rope. | ||
| No matter what happens to this office of the name Infowars, we're going to go on forever. | ||
| Thanks to the listeners and the viewers. | ||
| God bless you all. | ||
| If you're a boss and you're publicly claiming that you didn't fire a wildly insubordinate employee because they just wanted to play the victim and you didn't want to give them what they wanted, you are the problem. | ||
| Leadership sets a tone in a workplace. | ||
| And as a wise man once told me, whatever you accept becomes acceptable. | ||
| The expectations that Alex sets on his staff are incoherent, and that's his fault entirely. | ||
| The Onion thing was months ago. | ||
| And if Alex is saying that Owen was a totally different person since at least then, that's nine months of salary that he's paying this guy just so he wouldn't get the satisfaction of feeling like a victim. | ||
| That's not leadership, and no one can thrive in that environment. | ||
| That's the only part of this that's even a little bit complicated, I think, to deal with. | ||
| Like, Owen sucks, and after he walked out on Thursday, it's insane for him to expect that he's entitled to come back the next week and continue his job. | ||
| Ridiculous. | ||
| Anyone should expect to be fired for that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But at the same time, Alex has created a workplace where who knows what you can or can't do. | ||
| There is that. | ||
| Alex does whatever the fuck he wants, and you can't expect to have the same liberty. | ||
| In an environment like that, you often never know where the line is until you cross it. | ||
| And that's an abusive way to run a workplace. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Basically, I think it's important for me to stress that I'm not taking either person's side in this, but I'm placing far more blame on Alex for how it went. | ||
| Owen is delusional, and he seemed to not understand how incendiary what he said on his stream would be. | ||
| But Alex created the work conditions that Owen had to put up with, which are fundamentally unfair and wrong, and why this happens. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So it's on him. | ||
| We are all where we are because of the decisions that have been made. | ||
| And none of them have been in a positive direction. | ||
| And the person who had the most agency to make better choices is Alex. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| And him not recognizing that is just a mess. | ||
| So you also, so not only are you not going to fire this guy because that's what he wants, you're going to give him raises because that's what he doesn't want. | ||
| And you're going to pray for him because you hope the Lord, because you also hate this guy already. | ||
| You hope the Lord makes him repent, but also you'll still hate him. | ||
| But also. | ||
| Well, you hate the sin, not the sinner. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| This is the idea of portraying yourself as this person is so funny. | ||
| I mean, it's like, why are you talking? | ||
| You're crazy. | ||
| Well, I think it's because Alex needs people to know he's great. | ||
| You know, hey, somebody has to. | ||
| And so Owen, he's dead to him. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| He's a handbiter. | ||
| All of this terrible stuff. | ||
| But Owen, he should know that Alex is holding back. | ||
| There's other bad stuff that he has to say. | ||
| There's more hands to bite. | ||
| And by the way, I'm going to say this to tough guy, Owen Schroyer, the smartest guy in the room. | ||
| Mr. Know-It-All thinks he can run a publicity stunt to hurt our operation for his own gain. | ||
| I didn't bring out the bad stuff. | ||
| So go ahead and run your mouse some more. | ||
| And go ahead. | ||
| You got some bad stuff, Sabbath? | ||
| Just more. | ||
| Just do it. | ||
| Let's go. | ||
| Let's go. | ||
| Like Elvis says. | ||
| Let's go. | ||
| Well, if you're really desperate, pay me more. | ||
| But I'm going to promote my new show on your station. | ||
| And I just said to him five minutes before, well, if you're doing something new, great. | ||
| You know, with these new backers we've got, if they shut down Infowars, we're going to go to 20 hours a day and like to work with you again. | ||
| I went, nah, I don't think so. | ||
| And I was just talking to Harrison out in the hall during the break, and he said, yeah, we thought Infowars was going under because the crew didn't really believe me we were going to beat them. | ||
| And we also have a backup, which we do. | ||
| Now they know that. | ||
| I understand that they didn't know back then now they really believe it because we survived a bunch of these attacks. | ||
| He said, oh, Owen, that's great. | ||
| Well, I'd like to work with you, man. | ||
| We should do a show once a week together and kind of keep the old team together. | ||
| Somehow, Owen's going, no, I'm working alone. | ||
| And that was the attitude was he wouldn't even talk to anybody for years here in the office. | ||
| And years? | ||
| Just went completely cold. | ||
| I'd be like, hey, let's go out and get a steak sometime. | ||
| Nah, it's all right. | ||
| And he'd pull up in the parking lot, just get out, and just look at me like, I mean, literally. | ||
| Like a demon? | ||
| He walked by me and just go, look at me from the feet up. | ||
| He's going. | ||
| Like a liberal? | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, you talk about an arrogant person. | ||
| Yeah, pretty arrogant, maybe slightly liberal. | ||
| So it feels like Alex has to be pretty sure that Owen doesn't have proof of anything damaging. | ||
| And he clearly thinks the worst that can come out of this is a big public fight that brings him more attention. | ||
| He's now resorted to using Harrison, allegedly saying things to him in the hall as a weapon. | ||
| So the emotional abuse has escalated to trying to sow division between friends. | ||
| And no one should be surprised by that. | ||
| No, your little brother loves me. | ||
| I don't understand why you're listening to what your mother has to say. | ||
| You're poisoning us. | ||
| Nick sided with me. | ||
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Yep. | |
| But for real, if Owen hadn't been talking to people at work for years and was being an asshole to everyone, then this is Alex's fault for not addressing it appropriately. | ||
| You can't run a workplace like this or else it sends the message to everyone working there that you don't matter. | ||
| Owen being a dick to people and not talking to anyone, if that's even true, is a sign of him not feeling like part of the group. | ||
| It's antisocial behavior and ignoring it and allowing it to continue is just bad management. | ||
| The ideal thing to do is to find a way to reincorporate this person into the group and make them feel included. | ||
| But if that's not possible, then you need to fire them for their own sake. | ||
| Some people are just a little antisocial by nature, and that's one thing. | ||
| But this is someone whose personality changed years into working somewhere, which is a strong indication that something isn't right about this job situation. | ||
| If they can't get back into the team and you can't figure out ways you might be able to accommodate them, you have to fire them. | ||
| If you don't, you send all your other employees a subtle message that you don't care if they're miserable. | ||
| It's bad for morale to keep someone like that around because of the obvious bad vibes, but also because it's not addressing their needs. | ||
| The job they're in has become a source of misery. | ||
| So enabling them to stay in it, even though they're miserable, isn't helping anyone. | ||
| For Alex to allow Owen to continue working there through years of not talking to anyone, what message could other employees possibly take from that? | ||
| You have nothing. | ||
| You have no support from management. | ||
| Like it's a hostile, hostile environment. | ||
| I mean, that's, but you know what? | ||
| I will say that that's entirely. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| If you go to InfoWars and you think you're not going to get a hostile environment, I don't understand you as a person. | ||
| Yeah, no, I 100% agree with that. | ||
| But at the same time, like. | ||
| I'm with you. | ||
| If you are drowning in your bathtub, that's horrible. | ||
| But, you know, that's an accident. | ||
| Something's going wrong. | ||
| If you can't swim and you go into the middle of the ocean and just hang out, that's kind of on you, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm mixed feelings. | ||
| So Alex is like, you know, you're a backstabber. | ||
| You fuck. | ||
| You're dead to me. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And he seems to think that he's taking the high road in this whole thing. | ||
| He is. | ||
| I've been stabbed in the back so much and people lie about me so much that I've taken the high road every single time. | ||
| And this is the high road. | ||
| Every single time? | ||
| Because if I let him sit there and tell all those lies he did, he'll just make a cottage industry out of it. | ||
| That's what these people do. | ||
| Former employees say that, you know, there's a fishbowl and I grab the fish out and eat it. | ||
| Has there been a fish or fishbowl here? | ||
| And, you know, just all sorts of insane crap. | ||
| And I just put up with it. | ||
| But here's the difference. | ||
| I wasn't friends. | ||
| I mean, I liked him. | ||
| I knew him, but I didn't hang out with them hundreds of times at restaurants and bars. | ||
| I didn't go on trips with him everywhere. | ||
| I didn't shake their hand and laugh. | ||
| And he was a funny, nice, sweet guy. | ||
| But even before he went to prison, he turned nasty. | ||
| And all I can say is he's unrecognizable from the old Owen Schroyer. | ||
| And I got all this other big news to talk about. | ||
| People tune in on radio stations all over the country to hear about the news and information. | ||
| And I was so excited yesterday about today's show and all the good things the Trump administration is doing. | ||
| Oh, damn. | ||
| I wish I could get to the news. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| No one's people are tuning in for that. | ||
| They want to hear you. | ||
| They want to hear you yell about Owen. | ||
| That's what we're all here for. | ||
| How dare you act like the Trump administration matters. | ||
| I want to hear about what Dan Bongino is up to. | ||
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Nope. | |
| Oh, Pam Bondi did something. | ||
| He's a handbiter. | ||
| Handbiter. | ||
| He's a handbiter. | ||
| So there's an issue at InfoWars. | ||
| And that is, who's going to host the War Room? | ||
| There is a... | ||
| That's... | ||
| I mean, Alex is. | ||
| Well, sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But not permanent. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| Yes, I got you. | ||
| So we got to figure out who's going to slide in there. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| Right. | ||
| I will be hosting the war room today, 3 to 6 p.m. with Jonathan Greenblatt, Owen's replacement. | ||
| That's a joke. | ||
| Actually, Nick Fuentez and Ye have agreed to host the War Room. | ||
| Nick Fuentez and Ye will now be the hosts of the War Room weekdays, 3 to 6 p.m. Central Standard Time. | ||
| So look for that. | ||
| We are very, very excited. | ||
| And David Duke is the producer. | ||
| So we want to please the listeners, give you what you want. | ||
| I'm joking. | ||
| Hey, I would actually, if Ye and Nick want to host the war room, actually, this is not a joke. | ||
| I'm publicly inviting Nick Fuentez to host the war room 3 to 6 p.m. weekdays. | ||
| Now, bring out the GIMP. | ||
| What? | ||
| The GIMP sleeping. | ||
| Well, you just have to go wake him up now, won't you? | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Somehow I feel like Ali Alexander will be wearing the GIMP mask more than Ye, though. | ||
| What? | ||
| The reference was because Ye came on with the show. | ||
|
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Oh, that's right. | |
| That's right. | ||
| I got you. | ||
| So that stuff about Nazis taking over the war room and David Duke producing the show is something that Alex wants to play off as a joke, but there is a large portion of his audience that would really want that. | ||
| Hiring Nick would be the worst mistake that Alex has ever made. | ||
| So there's a part of me that hopes he does it. | ||
| I'm pretty sure Nick would say no, though. | ||
| That's just not worth the point. | ||
| That part at the end there with the GIMP stuff is Alex making a fun joke about how Ali Alexander would be the one wearing the mask. | ||
| It's funny because Alex and Infowars loved Ali Alexander and promoted him constantly. | ||
| Roger even made him the leader of the Stop the Steel 2020 campaign. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And then everyone pretended not to know him after it came out that he was sexting underage boys and trying to leverage sexual favors from them by offering political access. | ||
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Right. | |
| Apparently, a lot of people knew about this, but looked the other way because he was a popular right-wing provocateur. | ||
| And Alex took him along on the Stop the Steel tour to all the state capitals. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| Maybe he was picking up underage boys during that. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Alex making a joke like this should tell you everything you need to know about how seriously he takes the idea of people he's been friends with and worked closely with being child predators. | ||
| This is fucking disgusting. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Anyway, fuck him. | ||
|
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Yep. | |
| So Alex taunts Owen a little bit about how you're going to fail. | ||
| You're going to fail. | ||
| I mean, yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, Owen's going to have a lot more time now. | ||
| Go out and just show us what, show us all the success. | ||
| Show us the total victory. | ||
| You know, now that you're not held back by the evil InfoWars crew that just backed you and supported you and did everything for you. | ||
| Now that you're free of the chains of me lording over you and sending video clips to the crew a couple times a day or handing out, I mean, you know, the crews is bringing me stuff, but the morning show brings me stuff. | ||
| Matt comes over that produces that show and says, hey, this guest was good. | ||
| Do you want him? | ||
| And I go, dad, that's a great guess. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| And I'll go, oh, my God, Matt. | ||
| You're trying to run my show. | ||
| That's all he had. | ||
| And the last few months, like, I'd be like, hey, you ought to have this guest on. | ||
| And he would just ignore me. | ||
| Later, say, oh, he blew up about that. | ||
| Hey, Stuart Rhodes is here today. | ||
| We lock him on. | ||
| Steve Owen wants you on. | ||
| That's censorship right there, man. | ||
| It's pretty shitty for Alex to just be taunting Owen about how he's going to be a failure, but I get it. | ||
| Hurt people, hurt people. | ||
| And it's funny. | ||
| I mean, it couldn't be more of a different daddy relationship than Nick Fuentes being told he's just like Alex when he was younger and Alex telling Owen that he's going to fail miserably because he sucks. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's crazy because Alex is inhabiting like this weird, abusive parent role, but also a child like where Owen is his dad, also. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Like it's, it's, it's weird. | ||
| It's ugly. | ||
| But this clip provides a helpful example of how Alex's thinking about relations is flawed. | ||
| The producer of his morning show is a subordinate to Alex. | ||
| So him suggesting a guest Alex could have on is a suggestion. | ||
| If Alex suggested a guest to that producer, they wouldn't take it as a suggestion. | ||
| They would rightly view it as a request, at least. | ||
| Alex doesn't have a boss, so he can't understand the position that his employees are in when he talks to them. | ||
| He wants to just be another one of the guys, but he's not. | ||
| He's an emotionally unstable, very angry man-child who owns the company and can fire any of them at will. | ||
| He doesn't understand the way that communication is different between boss and employee and employee and scary boss. | ||
| Well, what he would like is to be treated as though he's one of the guys, but for them to also recognize if they step out of line for a single second, retribution will be quick and devastating. | ||
| But he shouldn't be alienated just because he wields that power over them. | ||
| No, I'm just another one of the guys. | ||
| However, if you step out of line, devastation. | ||
| But I'm a cool bro. | ||
| I'm a cool bro. | ||
| Let's go get a steak. | ||
| What did you just say? | ||
| Devastation. | ||
| So Alex, he does get to some news, and he talks about like RFK doing a great job with vaccines and stuff like that. | ||
| But, of course, the mind drifts. | ||
| And by the third hour, Alex is in a fucked up headspace. | ||
| He is furious. | ||
| I guess he just kind of got bored. | ||
| Like, Trump was doing a press conference. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You know, he was holding a press conference to announce like he's putting Space Force somewhere. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And Alex was just kind of bored by it. | ||
| I think he's stewing. | ||
| And it just leads to him being like, all right, the rest of the show, I'm just going to freak out. | ||
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Okay. | |
| All right. | ||
| And so he decides to cut what I would describe as an iffy wrestling promo. | ||
| All right. | ||
| And I just will not have my identity stolen. | ||
| I'm going to let Owen wear my skin so that he can be the hero and the censored one. | ||
| You know, Nick Fuentes is really getting censored and attacked. | ||
| That's why he's interesting, entertaining, and informative. | ||
| I don't really say, but that's why he's successful. | ||
| He's covering topics, news, saying witty things, and he gets censored and attacked. | ||
| Those are real attacks. | ||
| But don't you, don't you turn me into a springboard for your bullshit and my crew that's so embattled when you weren't here when the auction happened and all the stuff happened and you bailed and didn't even seem to care. | ||
| You're a baby. | ||
| Owen Schroyer is a baby sucking on a pacifier. | ||
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All right. | |
| In love with himself. | ||
| And if he apologizes for everything, I still wouldn't turn my back on him. | ||
| But I'll, you know, but I mean, that's it. | ||
| And of course, oh, I'm nothing but love for InfoWars. | ||
| Good. | ||
| Come out and talk about how you innuendoed you were being censored. | ||
| Talk about, talk about how you sat there and did that. | ||
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How about you do that? | |
| And if you don't, that's fine. | ||
| You're big. | ||
| You're tough. | ||
| Ben, you're smart and everybody. | ||
| I'm sure you're not going to have a problem. | ||
| I mean, look at all the enemies Alex Jones has got. | ||
| I'm sure I'm going to get taken down soon, right, Owen? | ||
| Yeah, let's just pile on to Alex. | ||
| Let's pile on to the crew. | ||
| Let's, you know, let's not be there with a fake auction. | ||
| Let's just quit right away. | ||
| Talk to the crew like, we want to talk crap. | ||
| But yeah, it's true. | ||
| I mean, most days we come in and say hi. | ||
| He wants him to say hi to us. | ||
| Yeah, he's an asshole. | ||
| He's an elitist, arrogant dirtbag. | ||
| Owen Schroyer is scum. | ||
| This happens so fast. | ||
| You want more? | ||
| You think I'm here to be shed on? | ||
| Do I look like a fucking toilet to you? | ||
| This is the dark Alex Jones. | ||
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There's no more filter. | |
| It's gone. | ||
| Anybody who sucks with me is going to get the full truth and nothing but it, so help me, God. | ||
| Because all that matters is I go down swinging and I don't pull any punches and I don't play any games. | ||
| And I have censored. | ||
| I have lied by not going full hardcore myself and telling you what I really think. | ||
| I didn't censor anybody else, but I censored this guy. | ||
| I never lied to you, but I lied to myself. | ||
| And that's over. | ||
| You think Alex Jones, the last 12 months, leveled up? | ||
| Well, guess what? | ||
| The next level's here. | ||
| And if you want to fight, you better believe you got one. | ||
| Anybody. | ||
| Anybody? | ||
| He did the catchphrase. | ||
| But if you've sucked off my kits. | ||
| Like the wolf that fed Romulus and Remus, and I've done nothing but giving you support. | ||
| And make no mistake, for 10 years, Owen Schroyer's been sucking off the InfoWars kit. | ||
| And you want to try to stab your mother in the back because you're a big boy leaving the nest. | ||
| Well, guess what? | ||
| You know what your mother is going to do? | ||
| Piss on you. | ||
| Wait, what? | ||
| What? | ||
| How is that what Mom's going to do? | ||
| Here's what's so funny about this. | ||
| Earlier, like an hour ago, when he was talking about the InfoWars place in there, I kept thinking, you know what InfoWars is like in the media? | ||
| They're like the Hills Have Eyes. | ||
| You know, Alex is this deformed mother who's got adult sons sucking off her. | ||
| And here we are. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's saying it. | ||
| He's saying it. | ||
| And you know what else the Hills Have Eyes people do? | ||
| They pee on each other. | ||
| And they founded Rome. | ||
| And they founded Rome. | ||
| The Hills Have Rome. | ||
| I think I follow a lot of what Alex was saying there, but then right at the end, I'm so lost. | ||
| Why is mom going to pee? | ||
| Mom is going to piss on you. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I mean. | ||
| All right, dude. | ||
| Ah, that's. | ||
| Does that say something about you that we need to know about? | ||
| I think it says more that like he just ran out of steam. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He didn't know what the next words were. | ||
| The emotions were taking over. | ||
| He's getting into this promo. | ||
| He's talking shit. | ||
| Now, I think that an argument could be made, and I think it would be a solid argument, that some of this has been a little bit underwhelming. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Like, there was a blowup during the American Journal. | ||
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Sure. | |
| And then Alex did a little bit of a restrained, like, boring. | ||
| We haven't gotten any hatchets. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| This is starting to be a little bit of hatchet terrorist. | ||
| We're getting close. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We're getting close. | ||
| And so it goes on. | ||
| And I think the point that Alex wants to make here is that he's not hurt. | ||
| No, not at all. | ||
| He's pissed. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And he would be a fucking liar if he came on air and tried to pretend that he was hurt, which is also what he planned to do until he decided to be mad. | ||
| Right. | ||
| In fact, I was so ready to cover what Kennedy's doing, just slaying the tyrants politically. | ||
| And then I was going to come on air and say, I'm hurt and, you know, do that. | ||
| But, you know, that's fake. | ||
| No, I'm pissed. | ||
| I mean, I was hurt when he, when Owen first did what he did. | ||
| But then when I heard what he did, I got pissed. | ||
| So I just made the decision this morning. | ||
| I said, no, I'm just going to let it all hang out. | ||
| Because I don't deserve this. | ||
| And my crew doesn't deserve this. | ||
| And this is emblematic of the spiritual rot that he would treat us like we were Legos to build what he wanted. | ||
| Thought he was going to say piss. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| If I say Alex censored me and play victim, I can boost my new operation off of that. | ||
| And it's like, man, I've known you 10 years and did nothing but you be your friend. | ||
| And I put all your arrogance last few years. | ||
| And then you sat there and you did that. | ||
| That's an enemy. | ||
| And if I don't say that's an enemy, I'm lying. | ||
| So you can post your little videos about always a great ridal of InfoWars. | ||
| No, you don't. | ||
| You tried to use us and our goodwill to propel yourself. | ||
| You're a liar! | ||
| And so I declare war on you. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Oh, somebody's been declared war upon another active war that's going on. | ||
| Sony wars. | ||
| See, this is the thing that Roger Stone understands, right? | ||
| It doesn't matter that he went to prison for Trump. | ||
| None of that matters. | ||
| What matters is right now, I am saying something nice about Trump. | ||
| That's the only thing that matters. | ||
| The moment I am not doing that, Trump hates me forever. | ||
| The end. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| There's no loyalty. | ||
| Well, there's no meaningful loyalty. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Well, their loyalty only goes one way. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| And I like the whole premise that Alex, he's trying to be like. | ||
| I'm being very serious. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And this is for real. | ||
| I'm pissed. | ||
| And in order to drive that home, I want to tell you that I was prepared to lie to you all and say that I was hurt. | ||
| I was going to cry. | ||
| I was going to fake cry. | ||
| I'm totally going to fake cry. | ||
| I was going to emotionally manipulate you all so I could play the victim. | ||
| Yep. | ||
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Nope. | |
| I'm pissed. | ||
| I was going to take the high road by being hurt, but instead I'm going to take the high road by declaring war on you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I was going to pretend to be hurt when I hadn't heard what he said. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then I heard what he said, and now I'm mad. | ||
| When I thought he said nice things, I was going to lie about how I was hurt by them. | ||
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But now I know they're not nice, so I'm going to lie about being hurt by them. | |
| Yeah, so it's war. | ||
| It's war. | ||
| And you know what happens in war? | ||
| You go to the room. | ||
| No. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Mr. Nice Guy goes away. | ||
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Oh, right. | |
| And he's replaced by a Germanic berserker. | ||
| So Owen Schroyer thought he'd launched his little war as a publicity stun against us and that we would roll over because we're so nice. | ||
| He took our kindness for weakness. | ||
| No, now is the time for Godzilla to rise from the sea. | ||
| If you thought the last 12 months of Alex Jones was dark Alex Jones, you see nothing yet. | ||
| I swear to God, no more filter. | ||
| Because I've lied to you. | ||
| Not about big issues, not about things that matter. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I've been too kind. | ||
| Nick Fuentes said last week, I saw the clip. | ||
| He said, you know, I'm Irish and Italian and Mexican, so I don't have the filters. | ||
| What's wrong with these Germanics? | ||
| Why do they roll over? | ||
| Why are they so nice? | ||
| Because we're containing our power. | ||
| He said that. | ||
| He was right. | ||
| He said it's time for Viking berserkers. | ||
| Well, guess what? | ||
| I was already literally thinking about being a Germanic berserker because I was so attracted to that as a young child reading about it. | ||
| And that's what I did later in life. | ||
| That I was so sad. | ||
| I'm going to be a berserker. | ||
| I'm going to absolutely have no filter. | ||
| And then I get a clip and Nick Fuentes says his exemption. | ||
| And I'm like, that's all I need to see. | ||
| That's a sign. | ||
| So let me give everybody a little news flash. | ||
| The gloves are off to all of you. | ||
| No more Mr. Nice Guy. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| What a shock that Alex was super inspired by his white supremacist friend talking about how white people need to become berserkers. | ||
| That's totally a sign from God. | ||
| It's hard to believe that Alex has taken the gloves off now and that there's no more Mr. Nice Guy because he said that maybe a thousand times since we've started this show. | ||
| He's always finally going to tell it like it is with no filter. | ||
| And then the adrenaline slash booze wears off and it's back to distracting the audience with something he saw on Twitter and selling pills. | ||
| But from where I'm sitting, I say do it. | ||
| Drop that filter and let it rip, baby. | ||
| Alex is supposed to be the tip of the spear, but it turns out there's a little plastic nub over the tip so no one pokes themselves on it. | ||
| Let loose, Alex. | ||
| Berserk to your heart's delight. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| That's what everybody wants from the right now. | ||
| There's only two things for Alex and Owen to do. | ||
| There's the smart thing, fight loud and mean and make all the attention and make big noises and all that shit and make it really hurt, right? | ||
| Or do anything else and fail. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Move on and diminishing returns. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Or fight and also diminishing returns. | ||
| Probably get a big boost. | ||
| You'll get a big boost right away. | ||
| And then hopefully you can do something with that. | ||
| I mean, obviously you can't, but you hopefully will be able to. | ||
| That's what you have to do right now. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So Alex declares that it is time he's going after everyone who fucks with him. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| If you thought Alex Jones was dangerous before, you've seen nothing. | ||
| Because I only focus on the IMF, the World Bank, BlackRock, the globalists, the UN. | ||
| But all of you people that think you can snipe at me and attack me because it makes you get some credit. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| You want to be attacked? | ||
| You want to attack me? | ||
| You're going to get it. | ||
| And everybody likes that. | ||
| We'll make the whole show an entertainment broadcast as I vaporize. | ||
| It is! | ||
| Because I'm true. | ||
| I'm real. | ||
| The evidence, the facts are all there. | ||
| And I will no longer let lesser men try to build their resume by claiming I'm a traitor when they're scumbag Benedict Arnold's pieces of shit want to be elitist arrogant scumbags. | ||
| I'm not arrogant. | ||
| I'm a power trip. | ||
| I'm in a total commitment against evil. | ||
| I'm pouring out my guts, my soul, my family, everything I've got committed to this, and I will not have pieces of fucking shit lie about me and say I'm not true. | ||
| I will fucking destroy you, scub! | ||
| All of you! | ||
| Fuck you! | ||
| Okay, that's how you do it. | ||
| Jordan's response. | ||
| That's how you do it. | ||
| Jordan's response was just shrugging. | ||
| But that's how you do it. | ||
| Like, this is why listening to Owen's thing is such is so stupid. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, you've watched this your whole career. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do this. | ||
| If you thought eventually this wasn't happening, you're hoping. | ||
| You're out of your mind. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're on that week. | ||
| I hope we can just be amicable. | ||
| But what are you fucking talking about? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The reason that Owen had to do it that night was so Alex couldn't do this before he did. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then he ruined his opportunity to do it. | ||
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| So I think that it's great when Alex is doing that voice and the rant is getting all intense, but it's always important to remember that he's also looking around the room to make sure he's positioned at the right camera. | ||
| Right. | ||
| This is performance. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Pure and simple. | ||
| I'm shocked that we haven't immediately gone into a sales pitch by now. | ||
| No, I think he's. | ||
| I don't know if he's drunk. | ||
| Like, I'm still not fully committed to, like, this is indicative of him being drunk. | ||
| I could see him being. | ||
| But he shifted. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He definitely, his tone and his vibe has shifted. | ||
| And now he's just mad. | ||
| Well, he looks pissed. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| When he's looking at the right camera. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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He looks real pissed. | |
| Nice. | ||
| So anyway, I guess everyone's going to get it. | ||
| So does that include us? | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| Turns out Alex is the best and smartest guy in the world. | ||
| That is not true. | ||
| Well, I mean, he just said that Owen's on a power trip and he's not. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But apparently he's just the best. | ||
| I think he prays. | ||
| Oh, God, no. | ||
| Yeah, he prays for God to make him a weapon. | ||
| And I told everyone two weeks ago, I'm leveling up. | ||
| And it's scary. | ||
| Because I'm a scary person. | ||
| I can outfake and outmaneuver all these people. | ||
| And I just keep trying to get the general society to wake up and win. | ||
| But I guess it does lie to me. | ||
| I guess I am the smartest. | ||
| I am the best. | ||
| I am the fastest. | ||
| The fastest? | ||
| The problem is. | ||
| Probably the fastest in the brain. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| Interlocking into this information is very frightening. | ||
| So this must be done. | ||
| So I will do it. | ||
| I'll never watch another movie. | ||
| I guess I have to become celibate because I can't get my energy up to sex. | ||
| That's a big strain on me because I'm a man. | ||
| There is no more pleasure. | ||
| There is no more pain. | ||
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Sure. | |
| There is no more art. | ||
| There is no more culture. | ||
| There's only war. | ||
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Okay. | |
| And I commit myself to total war against Satan. | ||
| And I ask God to lead God and direct me and commit me to his arms and a component of the deplete vessel of warfare against this operation. | ||
| And I repent for all my sins. | ||
| And I ask now before everyone that you lift me up to be an absolute battering ram against the enemy and God's will. | ||
| In the name of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, amen. | ||
| So everybody be on notice. | ||
| I'm on notice. | ||
| I've noticed something in you. | ||
| I think that when I used to be religious and I would go to church all the time, I would growl a lot after I prayed. | ||
| It does tend to happen. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I start to sound like a demon. | ||
| I remember saying the Lord's Prayer and being like, give us this day our daily bread. | ||
| And then at the end of it, going, all right, everybody, who's fucking next? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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I'm better at smarter and faster than all of you motherfuckers. | |
| Hold on. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| I'm better and stronger faster than the Holy Mother. | ||
| Lord, I submit myself to you. | ||
| I am humble before you. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Amen. | ||
| Fuck you, you fucking pieces. | ||
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Hold on. | |
| Lord. | ||
| Lord, I apologize. | ||
| I'm committing a couple of the deadly sins. | ||
| I may have. | ||
| And I'm going to do it again. | ||
| Well, but only because I'm right to do it. | ||
| And even though you said not to, I think you agree with me. | ||
| I will be honest. | ||
| I laughed so hard the first time I heard him say there are no more movies. | ||
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Oh, my God. | |
| I will not watch it. | ||
| I will not watch any more of it. | ||
| And then, as it happened again, I had forgotten. | ||
| And I laughed anew. | ||
| So great. | ||
| That's such a ridiculous thing for him to say. | ||
| I will not fuck. | ||
| No more movies. | ||
| I do, but oh man, the fucking is second. | ||
| First thought. | ||
| There's no more movies. | ||
| Yeah, I think maybe he says that he took his daughter to a movie the day before. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Like right after Owen's phone call. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So maybe movies are on the brand. | ||
| It's been a long time since he's had sex. | ||
| Movies very close to present day. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| No more art. | ||
| No more pleasure or pain. | ||
| No more pleasure or pain. | ||
| So we get towards the end of the show, and Alex has deteriorated to the point where he is now accusing Satan of taking over Owen because he could not be corrupted. | ||
| That sounds right. | ||
| Alex was too good to be corrupted. | ||
| That sounds true. | ||
| God, he just gets worse and worse in a minute. | ||
| Does he? | ||
| Every evil move he makes it. | ||
| Make a deal with the devil? | ||
| But that's why getting close to me has that effect. | ||
| Because, see, I didn't sell out. | ||
| Because the devil can see where we were going. | ||
| But you start getting in proximity to me, you're going to have some run-ins with some things. | ||
| And if you're really not having Jesus in your heart, you can't stand against it. | ||
| And when you fall to Satan, become an agent of Satan. | ||
| But I'm in a war. | ||
| And if you're called to fight tyranny, you better have Jesus. | ||
| Because I'm not your priest. | ||
| I can't sit there and spiritually guide you. | ||
| I think you can. | ||
| All I can do is offer the truth only more. | ||
| Like Morpheus says. | ||
| No more movies. | ||
| So I think that he's orgasmed from the rage. | ||
| You know, like he had the blow-up, and now this is. | ||
| This is Lepiti Moore. | ||
| Yeah, this is him after that. | ||
| And he should go home. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He had his outburst. | ||
| He doesn't need to stick around and talk about how he's so uncorruptible that the devil attacks those near him. | ||
| And it's just, go home. | ||
| What an amazing amazing way to live your life of being like, people can't stand to be around me unless I monetarily reward them for it. | ||
| And then whenever I stop doing it, they're always really mean to me. | ||
| And do you know why? | ||
| It's probably because I'm a good person. | ||
| Too good. | ||
| Too good. | ||
| Because Satan will need to attack me. | ||
| That's the only thing that makes sense. | ||
| I'm too good for Satan to attack directly. | ||
| He knows he can't do it. | ||
| Obviously. | ||
| He has to get the people around me to attack me for him because they're corruptible. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I just want to remind you: we're not a cult here at InfoWars. | ||
| Not at all. | ||
| Not at all. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| So I think he should have gone home. | ||
| I'm hearing in the tone of your voice that he did not. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| He decides to stick around for the war room. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| And the first 15 minutes of the show are just him repeating the same complaints lazily about Owen before going to break. | ||
| So here on his show, he co-hosted with Roger Stone eight years ago, nine years ago, here we are not putting up with it. | ||
| And so he thinks he's going to get his publicity. | ||
| I don't care whether this helps or hurts Owen. | ||
| He has to know that I'm on a toilet and the crew's on a toilet. | ||
| For him to cast us a bunch of censors, we needed no such thing. | ||
| We fully backed him. | ||
| We took care of him. | ||
| We supported him. | ||
| We raised him money. | ||
| We got illegal defense and he shit all over us. | ||
| Well, guess what? | ||
| It's over. | ||
| This moment contains a perfect encapsulation of the problem with Alex's response. | ||
| He's on Owen's show the next day doing a 15-minute rant about how Owen's a piece of shit to start the show. | ||
| Alex can do that. | ||
| He controls the company and access to the airwaves. | ||
| Owen does not. | ||
| There was never a moment where it might be possible that Owen would just pop up hosting Alex's show on September 2nd, talking about how Alex sucks because Alex owns everything. | ||
| I get the barging into the American Journal to feel pumped up for the main show, and I get Alex doing all the shit he did on his show, but this feels needlessly petty. | ||
| The fact that Owen isn't hosting the show is proof enough that Alex is in control. | ||
| He doesn't need to host it himself and use that time to bash Owen. | ||
| More than anything, this just makes Alex look childish and weak. | ||
| And honestly, he feels like he ran out of steam. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like this feels excessive and like a guy who's like just won't go home. | ||
| Yeah, the move, if you're going to do that, the move is to skip your own show and just do Owen's show and then shit all over him for three straight hours. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Non-stop. | ||
| That's a choice. | ||
| That's the pettiest, but also the most satisfying form of pettiness. | ||
| But this is not good. | ||
| No, what you're describing would be a better kind of being a hater. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And this just feels like dumb. | ||
| You know me. | ||
| I'm all for excellence in all things. | ||
| And that would be an excellent hatred move. | ||
| That's the way to do it. | ||
| So Alex is there with Rob Dew, who's now going to be the fill-in host. | ||
| So now Rob Dew and Alex are on the war room. | ||
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| And Alex is like, hey, man, do I ever censor people? | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| So I want to move on from Owen, but we were just talking to the crew. | ||
| They said, no, for like four years, he doesn't talk to us and acts really weird. | ||
| So it's like his brain got replaced back then. | ||
| We just put up with this crap. | ||
| Dude, I know you're not an infighter, neither am I, but I am not going to sit here and be accused of censoring anti-Trump news and any of this stuff. | ||
| I never told him, don't talk about Trump. | ||
| I never told him, don't talk about Israel. | ||
| That is, I came in once when Nick 200 is a joke and said, don't talk about Israel. | ||
| That was a joke, folks. | ||
| Nick said that. | ||
| It was a joke. | ||
| But Rob, you're the news director here. | ||
| Have you ever seen me? | ||
| Because I hire people because I like them. | ||
| I like the debates and stuff. | ||
| Have you ever seen a censor? | ||
| No, you come in and you'll send, you send stuff, but we all send stuff. | ||
| You know, you're texting stuff, hey, send this to the guys. | ||
| It's just broke. | ||
| And so I send it to the guys. | ||
| Hey, play this video. | ||
| Yeah, I don't care what Rob says, quite frankly, on air of Alex being like, hey, do I censor? | ||
| Again, when would the answer to that be yes? | ||
| This is ridiculous. | ||
| Also, just that, what are you doing? | ||
| He's not going to bring an energy, right? | ||
| Rob Dew is. | ||
| Rob Dew is here going like, you know, sometimes people leave companies. | ||
| That's normal. | ||
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| And honestly, what you're describing, it goes worse than you'd imagine. | ||
| Like he's a negative energy to the equation. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Also, now the staff is saying that Owen sucked for four years. | ||
| It's so great of them to continue hyperbolically exaggerating exactly when Alex wants them to. | ||
| That's so great. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And also, that means that you paid him like half a million dollars in salary over that time to suck. | ||
| Yeah, to teach him a lesson that he's not going to get what he wants out of you, which is to be fired. | ||
| Yeah, because so he can be a victim. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Because that's what you really want. | ||
| So Owen, he was like a demon on the phone when he was talking to Alex. | ||
| And then they talk about his salary. | ||
| I can't describe how predatory he sounded on the phone. | ||
| It was like talking to a demon. | ||
| It was bad. | ||
| And I took him like 15 minutes. | ||
| I was just like, I was like, hey, how do we make this right? | ||
| What have I done wrong? | ||
| I'm going to talk about that. | ||
| I'm done. | ||
| But if you want to, you know, pay me more money and let me promote my new show. | ||
| I'll be with you. | ||
| I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, thanks, dude. | ||
| I was like, man, God. | ||
| So we have these clubs want to move on from Owen. | ||
| I have right here his 1040s all of it. | ||
| You want to move on? | ||
| He wants to fight this. | ||
| We'll do it. | ||
| He's got all his little lawyers, all lawsuits. | ||
| He loves to follow these people following on us, buddy. | ||
| We're really afraid of that. | ||
| But he was given $80,000 in raises since 2020 for a total of almost $200,000 a year as his base pay. | ||
| Not to mention, by the way, I called you yesterday. | ||
| You complete you and Blake Rowdy with HR. | ||
| So tell me what the numbers here. | ||
| I don't have them in front of me. | ||
| I'd rather not get into specifics right now. | ||
| I would like very much to be no part of any of what you just did. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| $200,000 a year. | ||
| Fucking hell. | ||
| It's too much. | ||
| That is such the right amount of money for Owen to become completely delusional on because it's not that much. | ||
| It's really not that much. | ||
| It's so much for him. | ||
| It's so much. | ||
| For like what you, like the value of your labor. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| It's so much. | ||
| But, you know, I've seen people suddenly get way too much money too fast. | ||
| And it's like, it's overwhelming. | ||
| But for him, he's totally going to think he's the greatest because he's making this much money. | ||
| And it's hilarious to me. | ||
| It's perfect. | ||
| It's perfect. | ||
| So Rob, Rob Duke, he wants to stay classy. | ||
| Of course he does. | ||
| He wants to keep a little bit above the, you know, the. | ||
| He's a music man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's a jazz man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's a drama major. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But he doesn't like the drama. | ||
| He doesn't like drama. | ||
| But Alex is he's mad about something Owen tweeted. | ||
| Who behaves like this? | ||
| I let him say two and a half years ago. | ||
| He wouldn't even talk to me. | ||
| And I asked the crew, they said, Yeah, he doesn't talk to us. | ||
| I mean, it was just, I'm surprised we put up with this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I like to remember the guy that stood up in Congress and shouted them down. | ||
| And that's, you know. | ||
| Yeah, why do you think he put a video out this morning? | ||
| Oh, I love Infowars. | ||
| It's been a great ride. | ||
| What a nice, friendly guy. | ||
| If he had five hours of millions of viewers saying we're censors like, like, I'm some whore that a pimp runs, and I don't forget he just, you know, metaphysically broke our jaw. | ||
| Like, it's funny. | ||
| It's funny to him. | ||
| So, I mean, I just have no idea. | ||
| I mean, look, this is what he posts. | ||
| Put it back up there. | ||
| Look at this narcissistic bullshit. | ||
| Oh, yeah, you wish the best for Infowars after you went on air and implied we censored you on Israel and Trump and all the rest of it, but it was all a lie. | ||
| Rob clearly doesn't want to play this game. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| No one wants to play this game. | ||
| This is not a fun game for anyone. | ||
| Alex is the only one who wants this to be a game that everybody gets to play today, which, proving why this is a horrible fucking workplace, everybody has to go along with. | ||
| Rob, sit next to me while I do this shit. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Rob, humiliate yourself on TV with me. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| So Alex is like, all right, I'm thinking about David Knight. | ||
| I'm mad about him too. | ||
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| I'm going to take some shots. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm going to complain about David Knight a bit. | ||
| See if Rob wants to get in on this. | ||
| Yeah, why not? | ||
| You know, David had that heart attack. | ||
| He bought like $110,000 on top of his spaceship. | ||
| He's gone six months. | ||
| He comes back. | ||
| He goes, Hire my other son. | ||
| I heard it's not the son. | ||
| We have a rule of dyslemas, but I do it. | ||
| What about your son? | ||
| And again, different rules. | ||
| This is just all about settling accounts right now. | ||
| This is about, I'm a villain. | ||
| I'm this master censor. | ||
| But really, what's happened is they're trying to cast me and the crew as villains when we've done no such thing. | ||
| No one said anything about the crew. | ||
| You saw the interview, his show. | ||
| He's like, oh, I he'd say, oh, God, I know Alex doesn't want me to crush Trump. | ||
| He'll lose his thing. | ||
| Oh, Israel. | ||
| But later, oh, he didn't censor me. | ||
| See how he makes it worse? | ||
| Because he knows hours. | ||
| Oh, God, none of that's true. | ||
| And he's like, oh, later, oh, no, I didn't say that. | ||
| So he can play victim. | ||
| That's not right Rob But to me The depressing point is This is the collapse of civilization Because Because people sociopathically look at other humans as if they're just things to exploit. | ||
| That's why I'm at. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| So, let's go ahead and throw it in. | ||
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Not interested. | |
| Unreal. | ||
| That is unreal. | ||
| The response of just that's crazy. | ||
| That is, that is a very uncomfortable man. | ||
| That's as close to a just stone wall as you're going to do. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| God, that's fantastic. | ||
| Alex not doing the best job reading the room. | ||
| But oh, well. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know if he's drunk for sure, but this definitely has the energy of like a late night drunk. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If this wasn't a show that was going on at like three in the afternoon, then I would be pretty sure this is a guy who's like, if it was three in the morning, this makes sense. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Then it's like, this guy is at the end of a long night. | ||
| I mean, I'm, I am what? | ||
| I think I think Alex understands something in a way that all these other ding-dongs don't, right? | ||
| Which is that history is only important in the context of it allowing me or justifying what I'm doing now. | ||
| History doesn't mean anything. | ||
| What happened? | ||
| Meaningless. | ||
| What matters is that what happened is what will make it okay for me to do what I'm about to do. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So all of this stuff, all of Owens, why would you make a we wish Infowars the best video? | ||
| That's just more evidence in the that's what happened in order to make it okay for me to scream that you're a fucking liar today. | ||
| None of what you say is actually meaningless, meaningful. | ||
| None of it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| None of it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that's, but why? | ||
| Why? | ||
| I mean, like in a world with no continuity where nothing matters, then why not treat the past like that? | ||
| Right, exactly. | ||
| Everything is justification. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So if you're going into that world, why are you acting like if I make an InfoWars was actually cool video, it's going to make any difference. | ||
| Well, because I think that maybe you might have some misgivings about what you're actually involved in. | ||
| Because I think it would be probably pretty hard to like live in that space. | ||
| Like, you know, looking in the mirror and recognizing like I am the second banana for a lunatic, narcissist, racist piece of shit who just wants to sell pills abusively to a captive audience that he's made scared of everything. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like if you really had to recognize that, it would be really hard to know that you did that for 10 years. | ||
| Some of the best years of your life. | ||
| He was 26 when he started. | ||
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| You know, like that's got to hurt. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you don't want to accept that. | ||
| And so instead, you're like, hey, look, we have differences of opinion. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He likes to do things this way. | ||
| I like to do things this way. | ||
| Let's move on. | ||
| Insane. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Insane. | ||
| It's a coping mechanism for Owen. | ||
| Become the second banana to a lunatic because you actually had skill. | ||
| No, he got there because he wasn't like a bully. | ||
| You were where you belong. | ||
| He was a bully yelling at people at protests. | ||
| And unfortunately, because he got a job from that, he grew up during the time that he worked at Infowars. | ||
| And during that time, I would imagine he matured some. | ||
| Like, it's just natural as a part of getting older. | ||
| And I bet Durham. | ||
| You're a psychopath like Alex. | ||
| Sure, but he's matured in some ways. | ||
| And the ways that, like, cheese matures, you know, like. | ||
| He stinks. | ||
| But, like, Owen went from like 26 to 36. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, in this time. | ||
| And during that, I think he probably doesn't want to just be a guy who got a job at an abuse factory because he's a good abuser. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And unfortunately, there wasn't anything more than that. | ||
| This is going to be like his life is going to be like coming out of a prison after you've done a dime. | ||
| Like, that's what we're talking about. | ||
| Ironically, it's more than him actually coming out of the world. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| He has no idea how the real world works whatsoever. | ||
| And because of how all this is going down, I really don't think that he's going to have as much of a cushion as he thought he was. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| Because people are now going to be like, well, if I talk to Owen, Alex is going to be really pissed off. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And if I want to engage with Alex's economy, then I can't do that. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So he's alienated this entire section of people unless he somehow makes peace with Alex, which I don't know how he's going to do it at this point. | ||
| No. | ||
| No, because, well, I mean, he could. | ||
| I'm sure he's not. | ||
| He doesn't have anything to offer. | ||
| Well, he has one thing to offer, which is Alex will be able to step on him like a chair for the rest of his life. | ||
| Yeah, okay. | ||
| That's valuable. | ||
| That is valuable to Alex. | ||
| Alex would really like to be able to use his face as toilet paper for a long time. | ||
| Yeah, but that's the thing, for a long time. | ||
| For a long time, until he gets bored. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know how much value that has, but that's about all Owen's got. | ||
| That's all he's got. | ||
| So, you know, there's a lot of people who have a lot of ideas about what Alex did and didn't do and censoring and all this stuff. | ||
| But have you considered that Alex talking shit about his employees on his own show is free speech? | ||
| And so, again, this is just the classic. | ||
| And he's like, oh, no, he never censored me on that. | ||
| No, he's just like, I understand why Alex is upset I'm bashing Trump. | ||
| No, I simply said on air to him, we're upset about Trump. | ||
| We want to get him right. | ||
| But I think it's part of a debate, you know, what shows do that we should support the good he's doing, like Kennedy wrecking Bill Gates right now and attack the bad. | ||
| That wasn't a censorship of Owen. | ||
| That was me. | ||
| I'm allowed to have free speech. | ||
| I'm allowed to have my views. | ||
| That's what David Knight would say to the current. | ||
| He's like, I heard Jones today disagreeing with me. | ||
| I wasn't watching the show, but he'd heard me say something he didn't like. | ||
| He thought it was about him. | ||
| So you have to understand, me talking about what I believe, me giving my views is given them that censorship. | ||
| Ah. | ||
| I thought a lot of Alex's defenses that he's offered so far are pretty stupid, but this is another level. | ||
| He thinks that David Knight and Owen Schroer are trying to suppress his free speech to disagree with them on his show. | ||
| That's remarkable. | ||
| If Owen says Trump sucks and is disappointing, then disagreeing with that statement would involve Alex saying that Trump is doing some good and we should celebrate those victories. | ||
| That would represent a difference of opinion. | ||
| That's not the same thing as Alex going on his show and saying that Owen is too negative. | ||
| That's Alex critiquing Owen. | ||
| And maybe it's rooted in a disagreement over the underlying issue, but it's taking that disagreement and making it personal. | ||
| I'm sure Owen did the same thing on his show and said that Alex was too optimistic about Trump, which isn't professional either, but Owen isn't Alex's boss. | ||
| Like, you can't, you can't disentangle that from this equation. | ||
| No. | ||
| You're his boss and you're going on air and shitting on him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's not like, sure, you have the free speech to do that, but you're abusing your work relationship. | ||
| So with work relationships, you know, like sexual relationships, one of the biggest things, power imbalance makes it very difficult to extract the dip, you know, and maybe impossible, right? | ||
| Somehow, this is worse than that. | ||
| The power imbalance and the abuse are somehow both so weirdly tied up in what I think might be sexual ways, not consummated by the two of them. | ||
| I don't know if it's worse or better or how to rate any of that, but it's certainly really messy, at least as messy. | ||
| And part of it is because it involves the feelings of the audience. | ||
| Like they are turning each other against each other in some weird parasocial game. | ||
| And it's like, this is, you guys can't do this shit. | ||
| Like, even beyond the horrible content and like racist shit and all that, like, you can't operate this way. | ||
| I'll tell you what. | ||
| You can't do it if you're going to be America's anchorman. | ||
| That's for sure. | ||
| That is not. | ||
| This is not the first page of the American Anchorman's autobiography does not begin with. | ||
| So Alex was screaming about, oh, I'm a handbiter. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then he ran out of steam and hosted my show lazily. | ||
| So look, Owen, he is America's newsman. | ||
| He's America's Anchorman. | ||
| But he's also fucking coward. | ||
| He's afraid of Alex. | ||
| And he runs on air. | ||
| God, I quit, but he's censoring me. | ||
| I wanted to shake his hand. | ||
| He doesn't want to shake my hand. | ||
| He's a coward. | ||
| The guy hates me so much, he shakes around me. | ||
| I should have known. | ||
| I knew it years ago. | ||
| I was like, dude, this guy acts like a, like, he literally acts like the lawyers that have sued me in person. | ||
| He just looks like he goes, when he gets from me, he's just like, oh, oh, oh. | ||
| I was like, I mean, I don't know what Owen's problem is, man, but he's got problems. | ||
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Thanks, Rob. | |
| He wants now. | ||
| So I'm not going to sit here and be his whipping boy. | ||
| I'm going to play his villain. | ||
| Okay, man. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Rob, just let Nick. | ||
| I Rob is crushing it today. | ||
| Yeah, he's as good as I've ever heard. | ||
| So I think at this point, it's malpractice for Alex to have not watched Owen's stream. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I understand he's mostly been on air complaining throughout this time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And how would you fit five hours in? | ||
| Impossible. | ||
| But at that point, you kind of have to be like, it's kind of embarrassing that you're doing all this without having watched any, like the whole thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I'm going to let you take over Mike Adams is coming up. | ||
| But I wanted to come in here today and just get it on record the attempts that went on, the exploitation that went on, the attempts to claim we were censors and did things we didn't do and frame us as villains that were engaged in all this activity. | ||
| It's just outrageous. | ||
| And, you know, watching part of the show, Owen did five hours of it. | ||
| I was sent clips too. | ||
| It was just absolutely horrible. | ||
| All couch, well, you know, I know he doesn't want me attacking Trump, so I'm leaving. | ||
| Never told him that. | ||
| It's just like meant to literally play victim as a PR student. | ||
| So he's probably very happy. | ||
| He's probably sitting there with his turtle and his daughter, you know, here in South Austin, just sitting there like, oh, boy, I got publicity. | ||
| Yeah, you're going to get publicity, man. | ||
| Is your Benedict Arnold? | ||
| So, turtle shout out, first of all. | ||
| I love that. | ||
| Second, I don't think Owen has a daughter. | ||
| I was going to say, if he does, then it's private, and I don't think that's a public thing. | ||
| And Alex might be saying something pretty inappropriate here, putting someone's family business where it doesn't belong. | ||
| Or maybe Alex misspoke. | ||
| I have no idea, but I don't know Owen to have a kid. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, if considering the level of what we're allowed to talk about on InfoWars, at least some point you'd think that he would have let slip that he is doing something for his daughter or he's doing something because he has a daughter or this is not okay, yada, yada, yada. | ||
| I'm aware of women existing, you know, any number of those things. | ||
| But he's never brought it up so far as I can. | ||
| Not that I know of. | ||
| And granted, I will admit that I'm not the world's foremost Owen Troyer scholar. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So if he has brought it up, then that's one thing. | ||
| But I'm not aware of that. | ||
| I haven't heard him ever talk about a kid. | ||
| Then if he hasn't brought it up, he's done it on purpose. | ||
| Know, like, Chase Geyser brings up his kids. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Harrison brings up his kids. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Alex talks about his kids. | ||
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| Like, I know all of them to have families because they have talked about them. | ||
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| I have not heard Owen. | ||
| Anyway, Rob, he is a little critical of some things. | ||
| And this is about as close as he gets to really playing ball with Alex. | ||
| I too think it's funny that he said he's going to do three hours of news when he would come in here. | ||
| And I think every show for the last month was bitching about, you know, the bills and the standard of living and people can't afford houses. | ||
| You know? | ||
| And here's what I'm going to come back to that. | ||
| The thing, the environment has changed. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Everybody's carrying around supercomputers. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Everything's moving faster. | ||
| You know, when we used to have to wait to go watch a movie at the movie theater, now you can just snap your fingers and get a thousand movies at the tip. | ||
| So it's a different world. | ||
| You have to learn how to live differently in that world. | ||
| And the fact that you're younger, I think, is even easier. | ||
| You've lived in this technological world from more of your beginning than having to adapt to it after you've learned how to read a map, for instance. | ||
| There's a lot more advantages, I think, to the people who were born earlier. | ||
| And that's not a problem. | ||
| You have to learn how to live differently. | ||
| You have to share your ideas and not be, you know, but if you're going to be negative all the time, the negativity is going to come through. | ||
| I just wake up and this guy won't talk to me for years and I'm this villain censoring him. | ||
| And I'm like, dude, I ain't the villain. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| Like, what the fuck is your problem, dude? | ||
| What the? | ||
| Like, I'm a villain, the crew's villains. | ||
| We don't deserve this, man. | ||
| Okay, go to bed. | ||
| I think he's doing great. | ||
| If this is where Rob is coming from, he's fucked with capturing any younger audience. | ||
| Owen complaining about homes being too expensive is exactly the kind of thing that will appeal to listeners under 50 because it's a reality that they're dealing with. | ||
| They'll hear someone like Rob say that they should just calm down because they have an iPhone and immediately tune out because this guy is so out of touch with their real needs. | ||
| It's a simple question of like the hierarchy of needs. | ||
| An iPhone and all that supercomputer stuff is nice, but it's not an essential building block of life. | ||
| Shelter is. | ||
| If shelter is unaffordable, it doesn't matter how cool the kids' phones are these days. | ||
| They're being set up to not be able to create a stable life. | ||
| Plus, this whole network was screaming their asses off about inflation being the biggest problem in the world and how Biden was making eggs too expensive in order to push Trump in the last election. | ||
| So it seems a little dissonant for Rob to just be blunt like this in his hostility toward people not being able to afford the basic things that they need to survive. | ||
| This is a shitty take for him to have, and it actually makes Owen look better. | ||
| Yeah, that's why I enjoyed it. | ||
| I really think that at the end of it, he went about as far away from being angry or unhappy with Owen and more like, you know, here's some things that you should take with you on your way. | ||
| Kids can't afford anything now, but they have it good. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Awesome. | ||
| Things change. | ||
| Old asshole. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| All right. | ||
| But I like that Alex too is just like, I'm not even going to address that. | ||
| That shouldn't. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm just going to complain about how I don't deserve to be treated like this. | ||
| No, we all agree. | ||
| There is nothing to say back to Rob Dew on that one. | ||
| Rob, that was in a vacuum. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| So Rob wants to talk about the news, and he wants to talk about Dues news. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| He wants to talk about the vaccines and all this stuff. | ||
| And Alex will not stop bringing it back to Owen. | ||
| But the Grace Act aims to restore religious exemptions to student vaccination requirements in all 50 states. | ||
| Right now, I think West Virginia, you have to get the vaccines. | ||
| There's no, and there's, it's West Virginia in one other state where you have to get every vaccine. | ||
| And Kenny's going after him. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Imagine Owen, like, he took past behavior. | ||
| I was trying to be nice to him. | ||
| You think he would get this response? | ||
| No, I don't think he was going to that, especially if you listen to your rant. | ||
| And I think the third hour. | ||
| I don't think he expected that. | ||
| Oh, what did I say? | ||
| Oh, you went, you did a say goodnight to the bad man, but like a hundred times better than what that was. | ||
| It was a good rant. | ||
| I don't know if you guys have it. | ||
| You guys probably don't have it, but that was. | ||
| Well, I only take betrayals so much. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, we did nothing to him but kiss his ass. | ||
| And that actually, we created the monster. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We created this primadonna narcissistic monster. | ||
| Well, he did do some good things. | ||
| Well, I challenge, but it's how it gets. | ||
| I challenge Owen to come down on the show tomorrow at high noon and debate me while I'm on air. | ||
| Let's see if he'll do it. | ||
| Debate me, you coward. | ||
| Debate you about what? | ||
| You're going to scream about how I'm a traitor. | ||
| Debate me about a hug. | ||
| I am not going to debate you about anything. | ||
| It is going to be one-sided screaming about all the ways I've ever failed you, fictional or non. | ||
| I'd like to debate you about hugging. | ||
| I take the affirmative. | ||
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| Not after this conversation. | ||
| Yeah, this is so sad. | ||
| There is also, I could have cut out more long pauses where Dew doesn't respond. | ||
| They're delightful. | ||
| And there was one even where Alex just says something. | ||
| There's nothing. | ||
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| And then Rob's like, am I supposed to take over? | ||
| Just because it's, I don't want to do this. | ||
| I am not here for it. | ||
| I want to go to the war room. | ||
| I don't want to get in the mud with you assholes. | ||
| I'm tired of old. | ||
| The kids have smartphones. | ||
| Kids have computers. | ||
| You never know. | ||
| You got to adapt to the way things change. | ||
| So after the first hour, Alex taps out and he leaves the war room. | ||
| Smart. | ||
| And I guess probably takes a nap. | ||
| I mean, based on the way he was speaking in those last few clips, his choice was not involved in the nap that occurred. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't, like, I still, maybe it's just because, you know, we've had a period of sobriety that I'm not used to, whatever these rhythms are and stuff. | ||
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| All right. | ||
| It feels to me like that felt way too fast for an extreme amount of drinking to peak and then hit this valley. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It feels just like a guy who got really amped up on his adrenaline and his anger, and then now he's in the refractory period and it's just like, ugh, I got no energy left. | ||
| I spent all of it on the berserker thing. | ||
| It's possible. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's possible. | ||
| But the man has been betrayed. | ||
| He can only take it. | ||
| When a man has been betrayed, there are some things that are necessary. | ||
| And one of those is oftentimes a stiff drink. | ||
| Snitches get stitches. | ||
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| I don't know. | ||
| I'll take it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So we'll see if high noon comes around and the gunslingers show up for a debate. | ||
| They don't. | ||
| But we'll see if this is the end of their drama and see if Owen responds. | ||
| That would be nice. | ||
| And if not, we'll see if we can move on to some other topic. | ||
| But I'm glad that we got to enjoy this before your vacation. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I hope you have a good time and you reflect on biting hands. | ||
| Yeah, I'm not a handbiter. | ||
| No. | ||
| Of all the things that I am, handbiter is not one of them. | ||
| I have many criticisms, and that is not on the list. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| I deserve most of them. | ||
| But if you call me a handbite, that's the only thing that I take personally. | ||
| This is a man who bites no hands. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| I just put my own hand. | ||
| If you've recorded that, all right? | ||
| I want people to know that you bit your own hand. | ||
| Do you bite your thumb at me, sir? | ||
| Isn't that from Romeo and Juliet? | ||
| Anyway, we'll be back with another episode. | ||
| But until then, we have whips. | ||
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