Dan Friesen and Jordan Holmes dissect The Empire Claps Back episode, where Alex Jones weaponizes Owen Schroyer’s firing—despite his $200K salary—to paint himself as the victim while mocking "censorship" claims. Jones escalates with childish insults ("snake," "rat") and bizarre theatrics (vowing to abandon culture), ignoring years of workplace abuse, including unprofessional call recordings and forced content. Schroyer’s alleged demands (more pay, a week-long return) expose Jones’ manipulative tactics, while his refusal to debate live reveals performative outrage over substance. The episode underscores how Jones’ cult-like control thrives on manufactured conflict, gaslighting employees into silence while clinging to a delusional "strongman" narrative. [Automatically generated summary]
Well, here's the other good thing about it, right, though, is that Djokovic is—so no matter what happens, it'll be either Alcaraz or Djokovic in the final, which means either I'll get to see the ascendant young superstar who can perform magic or the single greatest tennis player that has ever lived and I've never seen before.
On our last episode, we talked for three hours about Owen Schroyer quitting at InfoWars and doing a five-hour stream where he complained and insulted the shit out of Alex, but seemed to think he wasn't.
Yeah.
And today we are going to see what happens the whole day on InfoWars.
And if you watch that episode of The War Room, they just go to commercial.
And when Owen comes back, he's doing a really anti-Semitic character with a tinfoil yarmulke talking about how Alex attacked him because he'd converted to Judaism.
Well, I mean, that makes sense since part of the reason that Owen did the whole thing was because when he went on the hiatus, he came back and he had the exact same problem.
So, I mean, one-to-one is, you know, usually you say the exact same problems and you figure, you know, it's kind of the same kind of problem.
It feels like that is the exact same thing that happened.
So on our last episode, we discussed the earth-shattering news that Owen Schurier had left Infowars and covered his five-hour stream talking about how he was going to be the next Rush Limbaugh.
It was a painful look at a man completely given over to unearned confidence.
And our take on it was generally that Owen deserved to get fired, but that Alex was obviously creating a hostile work environment that Owen shouldn't have been subjected to, and it's wrong.
From a human resources standpoint, it wasn't really all that complicated, but from an emotional and psychological level, it was a mess.
Owen clearly felt undervalued, and he believed that he could launch his own network and that he was entitled to be allowed to promote it on InfoWars, even after he'd stormed out on his own show and made some pretty unreasonable demands from his boss.
That boss, Alex, just told him to get lost and not come back.
So Owen did the only thing he could.
Try to launch the network on his own by creating a media moment out of leaving Infowars.
And he really, really fucked up.
But when we were recording the last episode, it wasn't clear how badly he'd fucked up yet.
Whether or not he'd fucked up relied on how Alex took his comments.
Owen had hoped that Alex would be chill about it and not respond.
Maybe they could just both move on and be classy towards each other.
Owen thought that he was being magnanimous in his stream and definitely said that he didn't have anything bad to say about Alex multiple times.
But underneath the surface, he was constantly insulting Alex and promising that his new show wasn't just going to be wall-to-wall ads and permanent going out of business sales.
He was trying to elevate his future show by defining it as an alternative to InfoWars, where InfoWars is all just manipulative advertising.
He also totally fucked up in terms of answering questions about Alex controlling his content while he worked there.
If he wanted to make a clean break and expected Alex to be cool about it, he needed to toe the party line and just say, Alex never told me what to say.
I was free as a bird.
Anything short of that is suspicious.
And because Owen gave answers that acknowledged things like how Alex would be mean to him at work because he was too negative about Trump, the stream left viewers with the impression that Alex exerted a very strong, but maybe passive-aggressive editorial influence on his staff.
Owen thought he could say the words, I have nothing bad to say about Alex a bunch, and that would make up for his actions, which were intensely negative towards Alex and Infowars.
And it almost worked.
On the morning of September 2nd, Alex woke up to find that Owen had made this quitting video, and it probably wasn't a huge surprise to him.
Owen did that stream after having a call with Alex, so Alex knew that he had quit.
And they exist in a media space where it's like you have to act fast.
Owen saying that he hoped Alex would just say nothing and move on.
It's sort of an offer of a deal.
It was Owen saying, I'm not going to burn you if you don't burn me.
And I can imagine Alex seeing that opening couple minutes of the Owen stream, hearing that and thinking, I don't need to watch five hours of this shit.
These kind of moves have highlighted the ultimate truth that Owen never understood.
And that is that Alex is InfoWars.
All of the other people who are there are just performers and they are replaceable regardless of how important they might feel on the day-to-day basis inside InfoWars.
The only thing that matters is Alex.
If he's there, then it's InfoWars.
On day one, it was just him, and that never changed.
Ask Paul Joseph Watson how important he really was.
Ask David Knight, Jason Burmes, Aaron Dykes, Leanne McAdoo, Jakari Jackson.
All of them are replaceable props.
And it's silly to think anything else because a fair number of the past crew, these people, they got their jobs by winning a contest.
You enter the InfoWars raffle.
You might win a truck or you might get your own job.
So we begin in the early hours with Harrison, the little Nazi who's just begging to be stuffed in a locker.
Coming to you live this Tuesday morning, 2nd of September, 2025.
You don't know what's really weird?
You want to know a really weird thing?
Is when the internal vicissitudes of your business life are completely public.
You know what's a very weird feeling that I still haven't gotten used to is being a minor celebrity.
It's very weird.
It's very bizarre.
I was telling this to my mom yesterday.
Because she used to work for this company and recently the company went through a lot of changes, people leaving, new people coming, changing sort of who their market base was.
I said, now, imagine if at every move during that whole saga, you had thousands and thousands of people all over the internet commenting about it.
I totally understand where Harrison's coming from.
Like, it's very strange as a feeling to go from total obscurity to someone people are posting about online.
I empathize with the boy, but he has to understand that he is working for a media figure who's pretending to fight a holy war against the literal devil who raffles off trucks and jumps at every opportunity to get attention.
That boss is also a complete Twitter addict.
So the last few months have just like they've all been about trying to maximize the amount of exposure he can get on that platform.
So when something major happens with his company, no shit, people on Twitter are going to be talking.
I don't know where Harrison's wife works, but I imagine if it was an extreme right-wing conspiracy bullshit TV network run by a man who pretends to talk to God, their staffing changes might get tweeted about a little more.
He's living in a high attention gravity situation.
Yeah, if she has a real job and everyone's tweeting about their staffing changes, how is looking at that going to help her navigate those staffing changes?
So at this point, no one at InfoWars had apparently watched Owen's stream.
Or if Harrison has, he's decided not to rock the boat.
If you watched what Owen did, it would be impossible to not come away with the impression that he was saying Alex applied censorious pressure on him and that Alex uses fraudulent marketing tactics disguised as content.
And as long as there isn't something that is like virally and I don't think that any like little moments from Owen were so inflammatory or whatever that people were posting it and like Alex must respond.
For all of his faults, Harrison seems to understand where his bread is buttered.
He knows he doesn't mean shit to anyone and that he's completely unemployable outside of InfoWars.
He doesn't get what Owen's doing because he gets that Owen was a big fish in a fake pond.
And it's probably true that Harrison wasn't getting the same kind of treatment from Alex as Owen was, but that was most likely because Harrison was on the fucking bottom.
And as much as Owen didn't matter, he mattered less.
An abusive parent will sometimes direct their abuse towards one child in a way that their siblings are somewhat oblivious to.
I suspect that Alex treated Owen quite differently than he treated the rest of the folks at Infowars.
And with him gone, Harrison might see some of that attention directed his way in a manner that it hasn't previously.
It's probably like, he'll be fine.
Because Rex is coming around a lot more, and he would be a perfect candidate for Alex to replace Owen with in terms of the guy he can push around.
That's if I've ever thought about like, whoa, what would I do if InfoWars shut down?
It's like, oh, God, I'd just be another dude.
I'd just be another dude in my spare bedroom talking to my camera with my hot takes.
Like, I don't even want that.
Who would even want to do that?
The cool thing about InfoWars is that we have a studio and a crew and incredible guests and people come in from all over the world and you can call in and I don't know.
It's a bigger thing.
It's something powerful and long-lasting, storied, and legendary at this point.
He's nothing without InfoWars, and he's dangerously close to explaining why.
There's no quality difference in terms of the information between Harrison alone in a bedroom talking to a camera and Harrison in the studio at InfoWars.
There's only a presentational difference and a huge money difference.
InfoWars is a vehicle that allows dipshits to play dress up and pretend that they're something more than guys talking into cameras in their spare bedroom.
The studio, the lights, the staff, they're all there to trick viewers into thinking there's a reason to take Harrison Smith any more seriously than you would a random guy in his bedroom.
The visual cues denote investment.
Like someone is spending a lot of money to present this guy as a host.
And our brains are trained to think that if someone is spending money on something, there must be value to it.
The value to Harrison being on air is just that Harrison is on air.
His audience is minuscule, and I'm not sure he's the top pill salesman at InfoWars, but the fact that there is a show before Alex's makes the whole thing feel legit, like you were saying.
Alex has built the studio to give the appearance of credibility to these dumb dums, and they kill time on air so Alex can create the appearance that he's running a large network of shows.
He lets them feel like professional broadcasters, and their existence allows Alex to feel like a mogul.
It's a cycle of enablement that they're involved in.
There's a symbiotic relationship between the two, and I think Harrison kind of gets that.
I don't – here's what I don't appreciate about this.
While it does appear that there is some sort of weirdly sustainable bubble of illusion that these men have been able to create, we have not been able to contain said bubble, and that it touches our world makes me very angry.
Because they get to live in a world where it doesn't.
It's very strange for me to be in a situation where, like, you got hundreds of thousands of people all over the world that want to know about my co-worker quitting.
It's just.
It's strange if you think about it.
My ex-co-worker, that's right.
He's not even my co-worker anymore.
It's very sad.
And you know what's funny about it is that everybody I saw online is like, you know, you're going to do great, Owen.
Congratulations.
You're going to go, you know, everybody support this guy.
He's a great human being.
But also we love Infowars.
Like, it's weird that it feels like there should be some beef.
It feels like there should be, people should be taking sides, but nobody's taking sides.
Everybody loves Owen, and everybody loves InfoWars, which is great, which is really awesome.
So if you want to see people taking sides, I'd suggest checking out the Rumble comments section on Owen's video and the places where Alex's shows are posted online.
It's horribly divided territory.
Most of the comments are, fuck Owen, I love Alex, or fuck Alex, I love Owen.
And an unsurprising amount of them mentioned the Jews or make references to noticing.
What Harrison is talking about is unprofessionalism.
Barging into people's shows when they're supposed to be hosting is pretty funny, but it's also not appropriate.
It shows a lack of impulse control that used to be a really worrying behavior to see in someone.
It's also super unprofessional for these guys to be sniping at each other on air.
They're adults and they shouldn't be projecting this conflict onto the audience.
Things that make the audience worry that the interpersonal fighting between Alex and Owen or Alex and Harrison, if they're worrying about it, that's inappropriate.
The correct thing here would be to talk off air and figure out a way to cover Israel in a way that both parties can agree to.
If they aren't able to find that agreement, then Harrison needs to quit because whether he wants to admit it or not, Alex is imposing censorship on him.
And even if Harrison is choosing not to deal with it or just to ignore it for the time being, that doesn't mean that it's not there.
The passive aggression that they engage in, where Alex complains about his co-workers being too negative about Israel on air, and then they whine about how their boss is wrong on their shows.
It creates a dramatic environment that's counterproductive to delivering real information.
But this is pretty good for InfoWars as a whole because it creates manageable levels of conflict, and that's good for audience retention.
If Alex is being too soft on Israel, then instead of leaving the revenue stream entirely, maybe you find yourself watching Harrison's show and you feel like he's saying what you're thinking, that Alex is soft on Israel.
Instead of immediately losing a listener to another broadcaster like Nick Fuentes, you've created a little delay where they might stick around a little bit longer, buy a few more pills, and that's good.
The issue is that that conflict is only useful as long as it's pretty small.
And Harrison knows that he exists in a position where he can engage in these petty uprisings against Alex, but if he wanders too far, it's Alex's way or the highway.
There's no ifs, ands, or buts about that.
Alex complaining about Harrison on his show is Alex's passive-aggressive way of enacting censorship because he's a bit too much of a coward to do it more directly.
It's the same as what Owen talked about, where Alex would make fun of him about being too negative about Trump.
These are dynamics of an abusive, dysfunctional working environment that Alex creates to keep these folks in line.
At this point, Harrison doesn't care, and maybe that passive aggression doesn't bother him.
But if he ever decided to stand up for himself in a meaningful way, it would go badly for him, and he would find himself self-censoring or unemployed.
And I think that Harrison tries to rationalize a lot of this with like, hey, you know, like whatever we're dealing with, it's not as bad as at the Blaze or something like that.
And then just when I'm reading the plug sheet, you know, one of the things like Owen was complaining about that.
I was like, I just want to do, you know, normal where just you have sponsors and you read the sponsor's plug and it's like, that is all we do.
We just have one sponsor.
It's yalexionstore.com.
But we just, we, you get a plug sheet and you read the plug and you say, if you want to support us, go to thealxnonstore.com slash Harrison and purchase a product.
I mean, it's very sort of traditional how we fund this.
It's a unique twist to it, but it's, we just do live reads in the same way radio has forever.
It's like, would you rather be selling, you know, sports betting websites and VPNs?
I mean, you want to read their copy verbatim?
Does that really sound fun?
I don't know.
I just don't get it, man.
To me, the instant I think about, you know, going independent, I'm like, I got to talk to companies.
I got to get ad reads.
I'm going to have to deal.
They're not going to pay me on time.
I'm going to have to track them down.
It's going to be, that just sounds miserable.
I mean, that is the benefit of, I don't know.
I don't know.
That's like the greatest thing about working in voice.
I don't have to deal with all that crap.
Why you would volunteer to deal with all that crap?
If Harrison is worried about that, let me be the first to assure him that if he went independent, he wouldn't definitely not have to worry about advertisers paying him.
He's insane if he thinks that InfoWars advertising model is normal.
It's convenient that he's not addressing Owen's actual complaint, which is that Infowars relies on the permanent going out of business sale and the buy this or you're going to die strategies to scare people into buying products, and that's an inherently dishonest model.
You know, I'm still positive and hopeful that we can get an end to the Ukraine war.
Gaza, I'm pretty blackpilled on.
They're going to do a new Trail of Tears there.
I think that's pretty clear.
But with the Russians, they're still trying to work with us.
And we look at these weak sisters, these European allies that talk tough and want to go after them and punish them and attack them forever and ever and ever.
So the second point: when Alex tells Harrison he can quit and lie about him for a publicity stunt, Rex makes a finger gun and pretends to shoot himself in the head.
And do any window that you've been censored and controlled and got to go because you're talking about Trump and the stuff.
And then later, hours later, oh no, he didn't censor me.
All set up to boost himself off of lying about me.
I don't ever get involved in influencing, but I've known somebody 10 years and they've been my friend, but he's gotten really dark, didn't talk to the crew the last two years.
And so it's like, it's just like a different person.
I'm not here to be the villain for somebody's lie.
So, wait till you hear his phone call to me.
I said, he literally talked to me like I was a cracker.
He was a pep.
He's like, yeah, well, if you're desperate, pay me more.
I'll stay.
But I'm going to promote my new show on InfoWars, huh?
Let's talk to Hyro.
I was like, man, this is really hurting my feelings, dude.
No, it's all right.
You don't have to come in.
I hung up, started fucking crying.
And then he goes on fucking air and life about me.
Fuck you, you fucking piece of shit.
I won't fucking take people stabbing me in the back anymore.
I said earlier, and I'll say again, I'm glad Owen didn't go, you know, say, well, you know, I wanted to say this because he could have gone way overboard and made a big thing out of it.
I don't think he did that, but he did insinuate that like.
He was forced to cover things he didn't want to cover or have guests on that he didn't want to have on.
It's like, that's just not.
Maybe it was different with Owen, but that's never happened with me.
Nobody ever tells me what to cover or, you know, comes in and says, you know, you're not talking about this enough or your tone isn't right on this.
These assholes are supposed to be fighting the literal devil.
So I feel like the audience shouldn't be getting emotionally caught up in drama between one of the hosts and his boss to the point where another host and the boss's son are on air describing it as mom and dad fighting.
I think that these guys just don't understand how unprofessional the environment they're in is because they've never been in professional settings.
Like we've seen them try and describe what it is so many times and they've never been able to get it right because it's not like they've ever worked in a newsroom.
Yeah, no, I think it's mostly born out of ambition.
That's what I said about sort of the difference between Owen and I is he always wanted to be a talk show host.
He wants to be Rush Limbaugh.
And InfoWars was his vessel for doing that.
I come from it at a different angle because it was never InfoWars.
Yeah, I wanted to be an InfoWars.
So yeah, so I'll do whatever position I need to be in because InfoWars, to me, is a literally legendary thing.
I mean, because what happens is, you know, when you look back in history, everything gets kind of consolidated where like, you know, you look at ancient Roman history and they'll say like, all these a million things were all in about this one guy because it just sort of, you know, all the other people involved kind of filter down.
You eventually lead with.
So to me, like in history, when people look back at this, the transformative media landscape that we're in right now, Alex Jones is the dude that's going to be in the history books.
Alex Jones in InfoWars is the force that ushered in everything that you're seeing come behind.
Owen wanted to be excellent himself, whereas they just want to be cogs in the machine supporting the strongman that they view as being historically relevant.
Incorrect as he might be, Owen aspires to be the strongman himself, while Rex and Harrison are content being followers because they know deep down they aren't excellent.
I think Rex probably sees himself in like an a new documentary in like five years where he's given interviews about how weird it is to have a dad like that.
And I would rather choose that illusion where there's no difference in substance but all image than ever consider the substance of what it is I'm saying or doing.
The idea is supposed to be that he's a storyteller, watching the events of the world unfold and retelling them to you, cutting through the lies and spin.
He's trying to give himself a detached vibe, like he's outside the stories that he tells.
The reason he's doing that is because the stories he's been telling the audience for the past decade are falling apart.
He created a fake version of Trump the Conqueror to sell his audience, and the audience isn't buying it anymore.
He created a version of himself that relied on him being the crusading hero of a new satanic panic, whipping up hysteria about child abuse.
But now he's shown the audience that he'll stay with Trump even if he's actively involved in covering up Epstein stuff and calling people who care about it stupid.
The fake version of himself and the leaders he's convinced the audience to support are falling apart, and there's no way to put them back together again.
The only thing Alex can really do now is pretend to be above it all.
And you can't be above something if you're a part of it.
You have to be detached.
Thus, the chronicler persona arises as a weak attempt to place himself in a position where he's not held responsible for any of the frauds he's perpetrated on the audience for the past 10 years.
First off, betrayal is one of the most despicable things there is.
And particularly betrayal that is carefully crafted.
And that is premeditated.
To know that someone who acts like they're your friend is plotting and scheming and Manipulating and to just disregard it because you're a loyal person, and then to see that individual betray not just you, but the crew and the idea of what we are and how embattled we are and to try to cast us as the villains and he as the hero and the victim.
He could have just yelled that over and over and over if he wanted.
Conversely, as soon as Alex decided to attack Owen, he barged into the American Journal set while they were live on air and started rambling about Owen's phone call with him the day before, which Alex described as being like between a crack whore and a pimp.
Owen was extorting Alex for more money and being an asshole, and it almost made Alex cry.
I, I mean, that first off, all right, if you here's what Owen is thinking: like, I gave him 10 years, you'd think he would be happy that I'm ready to set off on my own and all that stuff.
Because he's never, I guess, heard of people who have been in a situation before, because this is how it always goes.
The person that you're working for is incapable of viewing you as anything other than something that must be destroyed now because you will try and take something from him.
And he's the only person who has anything that should be, you know, he's the only person that matters.
I would also say that if there wasn't anything really inflammatory or even inflammatory at all, I still think if Alex watched it, he would find something to hate.
Yeah, if somehow he gets distracted today or like at seven after he had tweeted this classy thing, if like, I don't know, Trump bombed somebody or whatever, then maybe his attention's diverted somewhere else and you manage to like, I'll never get around to watching that five hours.
He likes to paint himself as the hero and victim in every situation because he knows that if he inhabits those roles, he can dodge so much deserved criticism.
The Sandy Hook cases are a perfect example of this tendency that he has, where he's the valiant hero standing up for free speech and against judicial tyranny.
And he's also the victim in the whole thing.
How many times has he whined about how no one remembers Adam Lanza's name and how everyone thinks he did the shooting?
The valiant hero role allows him to insist that the audience needs to keep buying his shit to enable the inevitable victory.
And the victim status allows him to deflect criticism about how he's in the situation he's in because of his actions.
He knows how powerful this hero-victim combination is, which is why he's attacking Owen like this.
It's ironically the best way for Alex to claim the status of hero and victim in this exchange by pretending that that's what Owen's doing.
The second thing that Alex reveals in that clip is right here.
Alex is particularly upset that Owen betrayed the business and the idea of how embattled they are.
Owen broke Kayfabe and he exposed the business.
Owen shouldn't be critical of permanent going out of business sales if Alex was always sincere about being this close to going out of business.
Owen shouldn't think the buy this pill or you're gonna die type marketing is manipulative unless he knows that the stuff Alex sells is all bullshit.
Owen shouldn't want to create a new show that's not just all ads all day if he really believed that the way that Alex was operating was above board.
And like I said on our last episode, the fact that Owen said that shit multiple times on his stream was a direct insult to Alex.
You can say he's a dumb alcoholic and he'll roll with that punch.
But if you're his number two guy who just quit abruptly, you can't call out the sales tactics Alex uses without risking the audience starting to see through them.
That's unacceptable.
And I honestly suspect that this is a large piece of why Alex is mad.
That clip is telling, though, because Alex is speaking some real truth when he says that being censored is the holy grail for him.
It's the most powerful marketing tool for non-listeners.
The idea that someone isn't letting him say what he wants to say, that there's some kind of truth he's offering that the man doesn't want you to hear.
That's the kind of allure that draws in curious minds.
And that's really all Alex needs.
If 95% of those people end up watching the show and seeing that he's kind of boring and repetitive and it's mostly ads, all he cares about is that 5% of them who tuned in didn't immediately see that he was a scammer and might watch again.
There are potential customers that he wouldn't have reached any other way.
And the best way to draw them in is with the promise of forbidden information that's being kept from you.
It's why Alex put duct tape on his mouth outside his trial in Texas with the word censored on it.
He was doing a marketing stunt because without the appearance that he's revealing hidden information that the system doesn't want you to know, it would be almost impossible to attract anyone to this dumb show.
The thing I think is funny is that Alex is explaining that Owen said that Alex censored him because being censored is the holy grail.
So obviously you want to fake being censored for attention.
And then Alex immediately realized that he needed to make sure no one thinks that he does that all the time.
He had to get very defensive about that and then start complaining about David Knight.
I mean, just the idea that, I mean, no, they probably don't.
They don't understand the concept.
Like, they don't understand that CBS News and Paramount, like, settling the lawsuit and just doing that whole thing.
That is censorship.
It's not, I understand that you think it has to be like, you can't say this, but just the soft power of knowing what, who's who, knowing who's got the choice at the end of the day is censorious.
The only way to survive in that environment is to fly under the radar, have deep loyalty to the king, or find some blackmail on him that'll ensure that he leaves you alone.
He may think that he's not censoring anyone because he doesn't bleep stuff or because he doesn't write no talking bad about Trump on the wall.
But in his position in the company, doing things like making fun of Owen, ostracizing him, or having an on-air feud with him is meant to send a message.
The power imbalance that exists in that office is absurd.
And I'm certain that everyone there knows exactly what that means.
So I've heard what Alex is describing happen a bunch of times, and it's not always with people who you would call big guests.
He'll be talking with someone, and they'll be a good fit for the rhythm, and he'll offer them a spot on Owen's show without asking Owen.
Presumably during the next commercial break, Alex would run it by Owen.
But now he's put Owen in a terrible position.
He has to say yes to this booking, or he has to say no and make Alex rescind the invitation that he's just made to someone on air.
It's unprofessional and disrespectful to Owen's ability to run his own show, particularly because this would usually be at like an hour or two before Owen's show is supposed to start.
And in theory, he would have done some prep for the show.
So you're asking him to toss out whatever he's done in order to have this guest on.
That's rude.
Alex has to understand that this behavior is not him making a request of Owen.
It's a demand.
And because it involves guest booking, it has a heavy influence on the content of the show that Owen will end up doing.
I can get how Alex would think that he's not forcing Owen to do anything, but a functional business wouldn't tolerate this kind of management style.
If this is something that Alex has done a bunch and Owen has made it clear that he doesn't like it and he would like Alex to stop, the fact that Alex doesn't stop sends a clear message that he doesn't care about Owen's preference and he doesn't respect his autonomy as a show creator and host.
All of this could be solved with the human resources department or some therapy.
Do you remember how in the 70s they would have like on TV on talk shows, they would have the psychiatrists or therapists or whomever, you know, amateur scientists with case studies and they would bring like a child on because they'd just written a book about how weird this kid was and everybody was like, this is totally okay to broadcast.
When Alex tries to describe events where I know what happened, seeing how it gets turned into what he says happened would make for such a great 70s case study.
Like as a kid, he should have been abused by being forced to be on TV and talking about how strange he is to everybody.
And I think that, you know, the stuff that I'm describing about the terrible ship that he runs, I think it's evidenced by the fact that he's doing this.
So it is true that Alex's radio clock dictates when he has to take a break, but his show doesn't run smoothly off that.
There's times when he skips unessential breaks and he stormed off his set plenty of times when it wasn't commercial time.
That said, I feel like there have been times when an uncomfortable conversation has happened just before a break and we've made fun of how awkward it feels.
I definitely know we've done that.
In some of those cases, a topic might get picked up again after the break, but I can tell you for sure that it doesn't always.
You can see here, though, that Alex is definitely invested in presenting himself as the victim who's being censored while complaining about how Owen is trying to present himself as the victim who's being censored.
That's what other people do because this is the whole thing to manufacture censorship.
And so you can have a Streisand effect.
Oh, there was bad stuff going on.
Yeah, I had to go this and that.
And I mean, like, we're not human.
That's very sociopathic.
We're not human.
And to boost yourself so you can get a million live streamers watching and hear it is right here.
You know, couldn't do that on regular news topics.
Though Owen's done some great stuff and done great works.
Why I hired him.
No, no, no, but for whatever reason, if I can just get that hit again, I'll just come out and attack Alex Jones and play victim and act sad the whole time.
So I didn't play a clip of it on our show, but Owen claimed in his stream that he hadn't gotten a raise in years and he's living basically paycheck to paycheck.
That's obviously not true unless his mortgage and car payments are comically high.
And Alex is ready to call Owen's bluff.
This could be pretty bad for Owen because it would be him getting caught in a very clear lie if he's lying about this.
But it could also cut both directions.
This could be a really bad move for Alex too, because if people find out what Owen was making at Infowars, they're going to start to understand the level of money they were bringing in.
And then Owen's criticisms of the marketing strategies start to look a lot more sinister.
If Owen is making more than $150,000 a year and he was getting bonuses, it really starts to look like Alex could have done some belt tightening if he was really in such financial trouble instead of just lashing out at the audience and doing constant ads and programming that looks like it's sponsored.
This threat that Alex is making is close to mutually assured destruction.
If you can give someone a $60,000 car and it doesn't really matter, it doesn't really affect you all that much, then you're very rich.
And I think Alex's audience likes to imagine him as doing good, but not that good.
Not I can give away a car and not think about it good.
I'm driving back up to Temple to see him, you know, driving back and forth.
Came down on Thursday to do the show in the morning, drove up here at like 5 a.m., do my show, get in the car, leave, and Kyle Seraphin starts texting me saying, hey, I just got sued by Cash Patel's girlfriend.
Plus, he found a secret J6 database to secretly persecute people on this man.
I go, well, that's huge.
I said, well, can you go on Owen's show if he's got a slot?
And he said, yeah, when?
He said, 4:30.
So I call up Rob Agueros, who's the producer at that time.
And I say, hey, see if Owen wants him on.
He's got a slot.
He can come on anytime after 4:30.
And then Rob calls back and he says, well, what's the topics?
And I said, well, just call Seraphin.
And I said, I'll send a voice memo to Owen.
So Owen, during the break, listens to it and says, that's it.
I'm leaving.
And says I'm controlling his show in a newsroom saying, hey, this is a big thing.
I can't do it.
Because, you know, I stay up here at 90 reports.
I'd have done it.
Here's this thing.
You know, we're a team.
And that's been like that ever since he was here and before he was here.
This is an element of the story that I didn't bring up on our last episode because it didn't seem all that relevant to Owen's side of the story.
But now that we're hearing Alex's side, it is.
On Wednesday, Alex butted into the Alex Jones show that Owen was hosting in order to bring in Kyle Serafin to talk about the mass shooter that they wanted to identify.
The next day, Alex was trying to get Owen to book Seraphin on the war room, which prompted Owen to walk out.
Alex included an interesting detail there, which is that Seraphin wanted to talk about how Kosh Patel's girlfriend is suing him.
And I think this might be part of what set Owen off.
Kyle Serafin is a dipshit right-wing media personality, but his claim to fame is that he used to be in the FBI.
Serafin said, quote, he's got a girlfriend that's half his age, who apparently is both a country singer, a political commentator on Rumble, a friend of John Rich through Bongino, who also now owns a big chunk of Rumble.
And she's also a former Mossad agent in what is like the equivalent of their NSA.
But I'm sure that's totally because she's like really looking for a cross-eyed, you know, kind of thickish-built, super cool bro who's almost 50 years old and who's Indian in America.
Like it has nothing to do with the fact that we're really close to the Trump administration.
Anyway, I'm sure it's totally just like love.
That's what real love looks like.
This was after he directly said that Patel had, quote, his own little honeypot issue that's going on as of late.
So unsurprisingly, Patel's girlfriend sued him for defamation.
If Alex was wanting to get Serafin on Owen's show, specifically to talk about how Patel's girlfriend is suing him for defamation, I can totally understand Owen not wanting to be a part of that.
It seems pretty clear that Serafin made defamatory claims about this lady, and there's no upside to Owen taking the risk of being involved.
The day before, when he and Alex had their last dance rushing to the identification of a shooter, it was for a cause.
That was a risk Owen was willing to take because it helped push transphobic propaganda.
But this?
Owen could get added to a new lawsuit just to help Kyle Serafin defend himself from the consequences of his actions?
That's no good.
If this is more of the reason of why Owen walked out on Thursday, then I think that was good thinking.
There is no reason for him to stick his neck out in a position where the FBI director's girlfriend is suing him for defamation about very obviously defamatory things that he said about her.
There is no, I mean, if you are looking at the current political climate and you're thinking, I think it's a good idea to go against anybody in the administration.
I mean, the guys are in there grabbing articles and videos and all, you know, when Owen's show is about to start, I run over there with stuff that I think is important.
Hey, you already have this.
I think this is pretty big.
You know about this?
That's what goes on in newspapers and TV stations and radio stations.
You know, it's like having a pig skin in a football game or a baseball in a baseball game or lights for a nighttime game or hot dogs and Coca-Cola being sold.
But see, in the world of victimhood, in the world of victimhood, that is like absolute, total censorship to give people information.
So Alex doesn't monitor raw satellite feeds and buzz around telling everyone about interesting things he saw.
This is all just a Twitter recap show.
And imagining him looking for content anywhere else is laughable.
This clip, though, is a good representation of one of Alex's primary tricks.
He's accused of something, and then to defend himself, he creates a fake version of the accusation and then misrepresents what that fake version of the accusation is.
So in this case, Owen is basically accusing Alex of micromanagement.
He wouldn't let Owen run his own show and injected himself into things constantly in a way that made Owen feel uncomfortable.
Alex has created a fake version of this accusation, which is that Alex would come into the war room and give him important breaking stories.
That's not what Owen said.
But because Alex is pretending that's what the complaint is, he can take that and mock it by saying that he's being accused of censorship because he gave a guy information.
Alex does tricks like this because it's essential that he be able to maintain the hero and victim status.
He was just a heroic journalist doing his duty by monitoring these raw satellite feeds, and now his alleged friend is out there stabbing him in his victim back.
It is multiple layers of bullshit in order to confuse how like once you start dealing with one level of bullshit, you've already lost because you've got two more to get through before you can even start talking about the thing that you were actually talking about.
And by the time you get to number two, he's off to three different other things.
And then as all the articles come out and Jones censored Schoyer on Trump criticism and Israel.
So let's see if Schroyer comes out and apologizes for you.
Oh, no, he's going to say, I didn't really exactly say that.
No, no, you couched each statement perfectly thought out and looking down at your notes to be able to lie about us and try to hurt this organization for your benefit so you can be a hero.
When The Onion backed by Bloomberg did the fraudulent auction and got caught in all of that back in November on November 13th, and I said, we're not leaving.
This is a fraud.
I'm filing emergency motion.
The judge found it to be a fraud.
Had a two-day hearing on all that.
Owen just left and just called the producer and said, I'm done.
I quit.
Even though we have a backup studio, I told everybody, hey, it's going to be fine.
We have new backers.
All this stuff we can shut down.
He's like, I'm gone.
Starts announcing, is this the time?
Because it was me to shut down.
He thinks, announced his new network and funding and all this stuff.
And then we're back the next day and Owen just shows back up and does his show and walks in and just looks, I mean, looks at me with hatred and like slinks in there.
Because he really wanted me to fire him so he could be a victim.
And I confided just a few of the producers.
I said he wants to be a victim.
I said, I'm going to have love and say prayers for him and it gets better.
I'll be really nice to him, give him extra bonuses.
Maybe he'll pull out of it.
I try to talk to him.
He's never wanted to talk to me.
And I said, but I said, he's going to stab me in the back.
So my favorite part of that clip is towards the beginning, when Alex is trying to come up with a mean thing that Owen allegedly said to him, his mind is desperately trying to find an insult that Owen could have said that isn't too mean.
He's put himself into a strange box where he needs to write a line for Owen to say that's shitty enough that it stuck out to him to the point where he'd bring it up now.
Right.
But not so shitty that it would require him to have fired Owen back then.
Alex can come up with nothing.
So he just decides to laugh a bit.
Owen was laughing again.
Beyond that, though, Alex sounds like a real solid dude.
It's just an amazing boss.
He's so patient and generous.
When his employees are treating him like shit and abandon him in his darkest hour, he doesn't fire them.
He prays for them and then he gives them more money, hoping that they'll see the light.
When someone talks about themselves this way, that should be a huge red flag that they are a huge piece of shit.
I don't believe that those words have been spoken by someone who did pray for someone and wished them well and gave them more bonuses and tried to resolve the problem.
That person who goes through all those actions doesn't do this.
One of the main things I'm taking away from this response that Alex is having is that he's confident that Owen doesn't know anything that can actually hurt him.
This shit is way over the top.
And if I were Owen, I would burn Alex so fucking hard.
Owen's stream was way more insulting than he probably thought it came off, but it was fairly restrained in terms of what he could have said.
Now that Alex is responding this way, there's really nothing stopping him from going to the bankruptcy court or the FBI and telling them all that he knows about Alex's shadow ownership of the Alex Jones store.
There's a lot of problems that he could create, but Alex's actions indicate to me that he's pretty confident that Owen doesn't have actual proof of anything.
I mean, it's possible, but I would strongly believe that Owen, it never even occurred to Owen that maybe on his way out, he should take a little something as an insurance policy.
So then he races out and goes on air and is like, you know, I'm just leaving because, you know, I know I can't talk about Trump.
And, you know, I know it hurts Jones' access.
And, you know, he really, you know, all innuendo.
He didn't have the guts to just tell the pure lie that I told him to do stuff, which I didn't.
And a bunch of other stuff.
I haven't even watched half of it.
It's just so painful to watch.
He's sitting there manipulating and wriggling around like a snake, trying to make it as bad as he can, but skate, skate the edge so he can say, I never did that because he's got the whole crew knows it's not true.
He's got the other hosts that know it's not true.
So he wants to pull a David Knight.
I mean, Harrison Smith says whatever he wants.
I walked this morning.
I said, have I ever told you not to say something?
He goes, no, it's actually, I'm surprised you haven't.
I'm kind of out of control.
But I like you're a good guy.
Just say whatever you want.
So, and I've got all the producers and all the people I've said on air, I think Owen's too blackpilled as an example and that we all should be more positive.
I don't think that Owen was being cagey and he was just too afraid to be direct about his complaints about Alex.
It felt more like he thought he was taking the high road, but didn't realize how bad what he was saying sounded.
This is the guy who is saying that he's going to be America's anchor man.
He's not working from a place of self-awareness.
So I can see it very easily be like, I just didn't realize.
Alex is being unfair to Owen's comments, like as unfair as he could be.
But that's his right.
Owen stepped a little too far, whether he was aware of that or not, and it pissed Alex off, and now this is happening.
But Alex also needs to recognize that what he's describing is an emotionally abusive workplace.
Alex is the only real boss at the company, and he's saying on his show that one of his employees is too blackpilled.
That's not a conversation or an interesting debate.
It's a public scolding that's meant to change Owen's behavior.
When Alex barges into Harrison's show and asks if he ever censors Harrison while they're live, what does he really expect Harrison to say?
That guy is an unambitious follower, so he would probably say no, sir, no matter what.
But anyone in that kind of situation is being put in a high-pressure position.
You have to say no, or else it's going to be a fight.
This guy owns the network.
He's your boss.
He just stormed onto your show uninvited and asked you if he censors you.
If you say yes, what do you think is going to happen next?
This is an emotionally manipulative tactic where Alex is demanding validation in a high-intensity public setting in order to all but ensure that the person responds the way he wants them to.
It's like someone proposing to a partner they're not sure will say yes on live TV or at a show.
The thinking is that they might say no privately, but if there's the pressure of the crowd, it's more likely they'll say yes.
Saying no requires you to publicly humiliate another person, and most people really don't want to do that.
It's the same with Alex's tactic.
All you need to know is that his son mimicked shooting himself in the head with a gun, with a finger gun while Alex barged into the studio earlier.
That says more than Harrison's like, no, you never censor me.
But like, I think that you look at that scenario with like, with Harrison, and like, if Alex is censoring them, him asking him on air, do I censor you?
So Owen, one of the things that he was doing in his stream was really playing up how hurt he was that he didn't get to shake Alex's hand and go out positive.
And he should also be saying some prayers that Owen didn't record that call because if he did, Alex is committed to a story and that could be pretty bad.
Now, any perhaps prior knowledge of me or evidence of me that you might have seen during that time would have me be explosive, emotionally unsupportive, inconsistent, and maybe fucking crazy and mean.
If he goes on there and repents to Jesus and apologizes for being demon-possessed or whatever it is he is, then we won't forgive him.
Will you?
He thinks that he would like absorb us as a launch pad and lie about us to make himself a victim so he could project himself and launch his own show when he cut and run and didn't even call me or didn't even say anything or didn't even say, hey, what can I do?
He just cut and run and said, I'm done with you people when Bloomberg and the Onion came in here and ransacked this place and we stood up to him and won thanks to your backing and God's providence.
If you're a boss and you're publicly claiming that you didn't fire a wildly insubordinate employee because they just wanted to play the victim and you didn't want to give them what they wanted, you are the problem.
Leadership sets a tone in a workplace.
And as a wise man once told me, whatever you accept becomes acceptable.
The expectations that Alex sets on his staff are incoherent, and that's his fault entirely.
The Onion thing was months ago.
And if Alex is saying that Owen was a totally different person since at least then, that's nine months of salary that he's paying this guy just so he wouldn't get the satisfaction of feeling like a victim.
That's not leadership, and no one can thrive in that environment.
That's the only part of this that's even a little bit complicated, I think, to deal with.
Like, Owen sucks, and after he walked out on Thursday, it's insane for him to expect that he's entitled to come back the next week and continue his job.
Basically, I think it's important for me to stress that I'm not taking either person's side in this, but I'm placing far more blame on Alex for how it went.
Owen is delusional, and he seemed to not understand how incendiary what he said on his stream would be.
But Alex created the work conditions that Owen had to put up with, which are fundamentally unfair and wrong, and why this happens.
So you also, so not only are you not going to fire this guy because that's what he wants, you're going to give him raises because that's what he doesn't want.
And you're going to pray for him because you hope the Lord, because you also hate this guy already.
You hope the Lord makes him repent, but also you'll still hate him.
But I'm going to promote my new show on your station.
And I just said to him five minutes before, well, if you're doing something new, great.
You know, with these new backers we've got, if they shut down Infowars, we're going to go to 20 hours a day and like to work with you again.
I went, nah, I don't think so.
And I was just talking to Harrison out in the hall during the break, and he said, yeah, we thought Infowars was going under because the crew didn't really believe me we were going to beat them.
And we also have a backup, which we do.
Now they know that.
I understand that they didn't know back then now they really believe it because we survived a bunch of these attacks.
He said, oh, Owen, that's great.
Well, I'd like to work with you, man.
We should do a show once a week together and kind of keep the old team together.
Somehow, Owen's going, no, I'm working alone.
And that was the attitude was he wouldn't even talk to anybody for years here in the office.
And years?
Just went completely cold.
I'd be like, hey, let's go out and get a steak sometime.
Nah, it's all right.
And he'd pull up in the parking lot, just get out, and just look at me like, I mean, literally.
But for real, if Owen hadn't been talking to people at work for years and was being an asshole to everyone, then this is Alex's fault for not addressing it appropriately.
You can't run a workplace like this or else it sends the message to everyone working there that you don't matter.
Owen being a dick to people and not talking to anyone, if that's even true, is a sign of him not feeling like part of the group.
It's antisocial behavior and ignoring it and allowing it to continue is just bad management.
The ideal thing to do is to find a way to reincorporate this person into the group and make them feel included.
But if that's not possible, then you need to fire them for their own sake.
Some people are just a little antisocial by nature, and that's one thing.
But this is someone whose personality changed years into working somewhere, which is a strong indication that something isn't right about this job situation.
If they can't get back into the team and you can't figure out ways you might be able to accommodate them, you have to fire them.
If you don't, you send all your other employees a subtle message that you don't care if they're miserable.
It's bad for morale to keep someone like that around because of the obvious bad vibes, but also because it's not addressing their needs.
The job they're in has become a source of misery.
So enabling them to stay in it, even though they're miserable, isn't helping anyone.
For Alex to allow Owen to continue working there through years of not talking to anyone, what message could other employees possibly take from that?
So that stuff about Nazis taking over the war room and David Duke producing the show is something that Alex wants to play off as a joke, but there is a large portion of his audience that would really want that.
Hiring Nick would be the worst mistake that Alex has ever made.
That part at the end there with the GIMP stuff is Alex making a fun joke about how Ali Alexander would be the one wearing the mask.
It's funny because Alex and Infowars loved Ali Alexander and promoted him constantly.
Roger even made him the leader of the Stop the Steel 2020 campaign.
Sure.
And then everyone pretended not to know him after it came out that he was sexting underage boys and trying to leverage sexual favors from them by offering political access.
Alex making a joke like this should tell you everything you need to know about how seriously he takes the idea of people he's been friends with and worked closely with being child predators.
Go out and just show us what, show us all the success.
Show us the total victory.
You know, now that you're not held back by the evil InfoWars crew that just backed you and supported you and did everything for you.
Now that you're free of the chains of me lording over you and sending video clips to the crew a couple times a day or handing out, I mean, you know, the crews is bringing me stuff, but the morning show brings me stuff.
Matt comes over that produces that show and says, hey, this guest was good.
Do you want him?
And I go, dad, that's a great guess.
Thank you.
And I'll go, oh, my God, Matt.
You're trying to run my show.
That's all he had.
And the last few months, like, I'd be like, hey, you ought to have this guest on.
I mean, it couldn't be more of a different daddy relationship than Nick Fuentes being told he's just like Alex when he was younger and Alex telling Owen that he's going to fail miserably because he sucks.
Well, what he would like is to be treated as though he's one of the guys, but for them to also recognize if they step out of line for a single second, retribution will be quick and devastating.
I'm going to let Owen wear my skin so that he can be the hero and the censored one.
You know, Nick Fuentes is really getting censored and attacked.
That's why he's interesting, entertaining, and informative.
I don't really say, but that's why he's successful.
He's covering topics, news, saying witty things, and he gets censored and attacked.
Those are real attacks.
But don't you, don't you turn me into a springboard for your bullshit and my crew that's so embattled when you weren't here when the auction happened and all the stuff happened and you bailed and didn't even seem to care.
And he would be a fucking liar if he came on air and tried to pretend that he was hurt, which is also what he planned to do until he decided to be mad.
What a shock that Alex was super inspired by his white supremacist friend talking about how white people need to become berserkers.
That's totally a sign from God.
It's hard to believe that Alex has taken the gloves off now and that there's no more Mr. Nice Guy because he said that maybe a thousand times since we've started this show.
He's always finally going to tell it like it is with no filter.
And then the adrenaline slash booze wears off and it's back to distracting the audience with something he saw on Twitter and selling pills.
But from where I'm sitting, I say do it.
Drop that filter and let it rip, baby.
Alex is supposed to be the tip of the spear, but it turns out there's a little plastic nub over the tip so no one pokes themselves on it.
If you thought Alex Jones was dangerous before, you've seen nothing.
Because I only focus on the IMF, the World Bank, BlackRock, the globalists, the UN.
But all of you people that think you can snipe at me and attack me because it makes you get some credit.
You know what?
You want to be attacked?
You want to attack me?
You're going to get it.
And everybody likes that.
We'll make the whole show an entertainment broadcast as I vaporize.
It is!
Because I'm true.
I'm real.
The evidence, the facts are all there.
And I will no longer let lesser men try to build their resume by claiming I'm a traitor when they're scumbag Benedict Arnold's pieces of shit want to be elitist arrogant scumbags.
I'm pouring out my guts, my soul, my family, everything I've got committed to this, and I will not have pieces of fucking shit lie about me and say I'm not true.
So I think that it's great when Alex is doing that voice and the rant is getting all intense, but it's always important to remember that he's also looking around the room to make sure he's positioned at the right camera.
So we get towards the end of the show, and Alex has deteriorated to the point where he is now accusing Satan of taking over Owen because he could not be corrupted.
This moment contains a perfect encapsulation of the problem with Alex's response.
He's on Owen's show the next day doing a 15-minute rant about how Owen's a piece of shit to start the show.
Alex can do that.
He controls the company and access to the airwaves.
Owen does not.
There was never a moment where it might be possible that Owen would just pop up hosting Alex's show on September 2nd, talking about how Alex sucks because Alex owns everything.
I get the barging into the American Journal to feel pumped up for the main show, and I get Alex doing all the shit he did on his show, but this feels needlessly petty.
The fact that Owen isn't hosting the show is proof enough that Alex is in control.
He doesn't need to host it himself and use that time to bash Owen.
More than anything, this just makes Alex look childish and weak.
Yeah, the move, if you're going to do that, the move is to skip your own show and just do Owen's show and then shit all over him for three straight hours.
Yeah, why do you think he put a video out this morning?
Oh, I love Infowars.
It's been a great ride.
What a nice, friendly guy.
If he had five hours of millions of viewers saying we're censors like, like, I'm some whore that a pimp runs, and I don't forget he just, you know, metaphysically broke our jaw.
Like, it's funny.
It's funny to him.
So, I mean, I just have no idea.
I mean, look, this is what he posts.
Put it back up there.
Look at this narcissistic bullshit.
Oh, yeah, you wish the best for Infowars after you went on air and implied we censored you on Israel and Trump and all the rest of it, but it was all a lie.
Alex is the only one who wants this to be a game that everybody gets to play today, which, proving why this is a horrible fucking workplace, everybody has to go along with.
He's like, oh, I he'd say, oh, God, I know Alex doesn't want me to crush Trump.
He'll lose his thing.
Oh, Israel.
But later, oh, he didn't censor me.
See how he makes it worse?
Because he knows hours.
Oh, God, none of that's true.
And he's like, oh, later, oh, no, I didn't say that.
So he can play victim.
That's not right Rob But to me The depressing point is This is the collapse of civilization Because Because people sociopathically look at other humans as if they're just things to exploit.
If this wasn't a show that was going on at like three in the afternoon, then I would be pretty sure this is a guy who's like, if it was three in the morning, this makes sense.
Well, because I think that maybe you might have some misgivings about what you're actually involved in.
Because I think it would be probably pretty hard to like live in that space.
Like, you know, looking in the mirror and recognizing like I am the second banana for a lunatic, narcissist, racist piece of shit who just wants to sell pills abusively to a captive audience that he's made scared of everything.
Right.
Like if you really had to recognize that, it would be really hard to know that you did that for 10 years.
And he's like, oh, no, he never censored me on that.
No, he's just like, I understand why Alex is upset I'm bashing Trump.
No, I simply said on air to him, we're upset about Trump.
We want to get him right.
But I think it's part of a debate, you know, what shows do that we should support the good he's doing, like Kennedy wrecking Bill Gates right now and attack the bad.
That wasn't a censorship of Owen.
That was me.
I'm allowed to have free speech.
I'm allowed to have my views.
That's what David Knight would say to the current.
He's like, I heard Jones today disagreeing with me.
I wasn't watching the show, but he'd heard me say something he didn't like.
He thought it was about him.
So you have to understand, me talking about what I believe, me giving my views is given them that censorship.
I thought a lot of Alex's defenses that he's offered so far are pretty stupid, but this is another level.
He thinks that David Knight and Owen Schroer are trying to suppress his free speech to disagree with them on his show.
That's remarkable.
If Owen says Trump sucks and is disappointing, then disagreeing with that statement would involve Alex saying that Trump is doing some good and we should celebrate those victories.
That would represent a difference of opinion.
That's not the same thing as Alex going on his show and saying that Owen is too negative.
That's Alex critiquing Owen.
And maybe it's rooted in a disagreement over the underlying issue, but it's taking that disagreement and making it personal.
I'm sure Owen did the same thing on his show and said that Alex was too optimistic about Trump, which isn't professional either, but Owen isn't Alex's boss.
Like, you can't, you can't disentangle that from this equation.
So with work relationships, you know, like sexual relationships, one of the biggest things, power imbalance makes it very difficult to extract the dip, you know, and maybe impossible, right?
Somehow, this is worse than that.
The power imbalance and the abuse are somehow both so weirdly tied up in what I think might be sexual ways, not consummated by the two of them.
And I'm going to let you take over Mike Adams is coming up.
But I wanted to come in here today and just get it on record the attempts that went on, the exploitation that went on, the attempts to claim we were censors and did things we didn't do and frame us as villains that were engaged in all this activity.
It's just outrageous.
And, you know, watching part of the show, Owen did five hours of it.
I was sent clips too.
It was just absolutely horrible.
All couch, well, you know, I know he doesn't want me attacking Trump, so I'm leaving.
Never told him that.
It's just like meant to literally play victim as a PR student.
So he's probably very happy.
He's probably sitting there with his turtle and his daughter, you know, here in South Austin, just sitting there like, oh, boy, I got publicity.
Yeah, I mean, if considering the level of what we're allowed to talk about on InfoWars, at least some point you'd think that he would have let slip that he is doing something for his daughter or he's doing something because he has a daughter or this is not okay, yada, yada, yada.
I'm aware of women existing, you know, any number of those things.
I too think it's funny that he said he's going to do three hours of news when he would come in here.
And I think every show for the last month was bitching about, you know, the bills and the standard of living and people can't afford houses.
You know?
And here's what I'm going to come back to that.
The thing, the environment has changed.
All right.
Everybody's carrying around supercomputers.
Okay.
Everything's moving faster.
You know, when we used to have to wait to go watch a movie at the movie theater, now you can just snap your fingers and get a thousand movies at the tip.
So it's a different world.
You have to learn how to live differently in that world.
And the fact that you're younger, I think, is even easier.
You've lived in this technological world from more of your beginning than having to adapt to it after you've learned how to read a map, for instance.
There's a lot more advantages, I think, to the people who were born earlier.
And that's not a problem.
You have to learn how to live differently.
You have to share your ideas and not be, you know, but if you're going to be negative all the time, the negativity is going to come through.
If this is where Rob is coming from, he's fucked with capturing any younger audience.
Owen complaining about homes being too expensive is exactly the kind of thing that will appeal to listeners under 50 because it's a reality that they're dealing with.
They'll hear someone like Rob say that they should just calm down because they have an iPhone and immediately tune out because this guy is so out of touch with their real needs.
It's a simple question of like the hierarchy of needs.
An iPhone and all that supercomputer stuff is nice, but it's not an essential building block of life.
Shelter is.
If shelter is unaffordable, it doesn't matter how cool the kids' phones are these days.
They're being set up to not be able to create a stable life.
Plus, this whole network was screaming their asses off about inflation being the biggest problem in the world and how Biden was making eggs too expensive in order to push Trump in the last election.
So it seems a little dissonant for Rob to just be blunt like this in his hostility toward people not being able to afford the basic things that they need to survive.
This is a shitty take for him to have, and it actually makes Owen look better.
I really think that at the end of it, he went about as far away from being angry or unhappy with Owen and more like, you know, here's some things that you should take with you on your way.
It feels just like a guy who got really amped up on his adrenaline and his anger, and then now he's in the refractory period and it's just like, ugh, I got no energy left.