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#1068: August 10, 2025

In this installment, Dan and Jordan check in for the day before Trump took control of the DC police, where they find Alex hungry for war with Mexico and not hungry for fake butter.

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alex jones
18:09
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dan friesen
39:48
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jordan holmes
25:33
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tara molina
01:05
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kathleen c alexander
00:12
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alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding us.
unidentified
So Alex, I'm a senior fan of Colorado Research.
I love your work.
Knowledge Fight.
alex jones
Not knowledgefight dot com dot I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes.
Like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Joe.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
unidentified
Jordan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
What's your bright spot today, buddy?
dan friesen
Why don't you go first?
jordan holmes
My bright spot is Alien Earth.
It's a new TV show.
alex jones
Okay.
dan friesen
In the Alien franchise?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
And it, we watched the first couple of episodes.
It's fucking great.
dan friesen
Does it take place on Earth?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
I think so.
dan friesen
Are there aliens there?
Yeah, there are.
jordan holmes
But they're from the future.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
But also the future is the eighties.
Because we're in the Alien universe.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
But also it's the future.
But everything's like, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep.
Kind of computers.
dan friesen
Can the aliens time travel?
jordan holmes
No, not yet.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
But maybe once they meet the Predator, because I'm pretty sure the Predator's time travel.
So Alien versus Predator has to be a time travel movie.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Which but it's already happened.
The Alien vs.
Predator has already happened.
jordan holmes
Hey, that's a good point.
This is dangerous.
dan friesen
We would have to time travel to go see that in the theaters.
jordan holmes
I think we can do multiverse.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's what we'll do.
What's going on?
jordan holmes
It's really good.
It was done by the guy who made Legion and Fargo.
Both were fucking really, really good and really interesting.
It's a good, like it's hard to make a horror TV show.
True.
Because you know, you're going to see the, you know you're going to see these people next week.
But man, that alien is so fucking scary that even if you know people are going to be alive, when that little thing comes out and just.
dan friesen
That's the magic of the game.
jordan holmes
It's solid, it's solid, yeah.
dan friesen
It's good stuff.
That's an interesting path that this person has carved out.
Because like Alien seems like a TV show that, like, it's a movie that's really good.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And people would be mad at a bad TV show.
jordan holmes
Fargo, exactly.
A movie that's really good.
That's the only reason it was almost like there's only one guy that we can reliably choose to make this show in a way that won't make everyone go, This fucking sucks.
And it's the guy who's done that exactly the same thing multiple times.
dan friesen
All right.
jordan holmes
It's just a weird skill this guy has.
I've never seen anyone do it before.
dan friesen
All right, let's get to Jurassic Park TV show.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Let's get some good stuff.
jordan holmes
This guy can finally make it's like he makes worlds inside it's like a diorama inside someone else's world.
It's really interesting.
dan friesen
Nice.
Maybe I'll check it out.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I would suggest it.
dan friesen
Sweet.
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot?
dan friesen
I've been dipping back into Legend of Zelda, Hyrule Warriors, Age of Calamity.
Okay.
The sort of Dynasty Warrior Zelda, Breath of the Wild.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
The whole thing.
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's fun.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's just a great art style and these characters are fun.
It's cute.
jordan holmes
Do you get to play as any of them that you want?
dan friesen
A lot of them.
Yeah.
You get to play as like Impa and Link and what kind of weapons are we dealing with?
jordan holmes
Who's our, who's our long range fighter?
dan friesen
That would be like Ravali, the bird guy.
jordan holmes
Okay, the bird guy.
dan friesen
He's got a bow.
jordan holmes
He's got a bow.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
All right, all right.
dan friesen
Link's, Link's got a sword, he's got a spear.
Yeah, I guess, you know, you could say that the fish, the fish lady.
unidentified
I've played so much in these games that I can't remember the names of the fish lady's deal.
dan friesen
What's the, who are those fish people?
jordan holmes
The fish, you know, the fish people.
dan friesen
I always just think, hey, they got the fish.
jordan holmes
They're fish people.
dan friesen
They're water people.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
She has like a trident.
So that's kind of Ray.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's fun.
dan friesen
Anyway, I played it when it came out and then I stopped and I'm glad I stopped because it's now pretty fun.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Those those are such great like scratch and itch games.
Somehow there's just an itch and then that game just hits it right and you're like, oh, I'm satisfied.
I don't know why.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'm enjoying it.
Yeah.
So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
We're going to be talking about august 10, 2025.
Okay.
11, 11 august, that's the day that Trump unleashed the federal troops upon DC.
jordan holmes
Right.
Everything's going great.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And so we're going to check in in and see how Alex is dealing with the anticipation of that.
And as that unfolds, we'll see how mister Police State responds.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, becoming everything that one has said they were against piece by piece over time is kind of fascinating to watch.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And in this episode in particular, it's such great timing because one of the funniest things I've ever seen happens.
And it revitalized me in a way that I can't even describe.
So I'm excited to get to that.
But first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new walls.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, Drew, you're a amazing person, even though you refuse to to listen to the best podcast signed Scuttle.
Thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
But I could be Scuddy.
Next, Lehman, Project Butter Pecan was created by the ice cream elites to keep people like us creamy and compliant.
We must resist.
Thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And sort me out, geezer, to Cobb, Love, Dumpling, and Grey Gray.
Thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
unidentified
Thank you.
dan friesen
And we got to take credit in the mixed order.
So thank you so much to Reese Rihannon Larsky.
There's a war on for your mind and you've just been drafted into the info war.
The truest of titty babies, but not for long.
Thank you so much.
You're an out-technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars.
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
alex jones
Someone, someone, Sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
Daddy Sharp, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump.
Jar Jar Binksh has a Caribbean black accent.
He's a loser little titty baby.
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much.
Just to let everyone know, we've been shoutouts for a long time.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
We're very grateful to everyone.
But I'm looking at it and we've been ahead for, or, you know, we've been behind a mont month for a long time and we're catching up.
So I was just thinking, if you want to send a joke shout out or something like that, you don't have to donate, but it would just be weird to go without shout out.
I don't know.
dan friesen
If anyone wants a shout out, I've sent an email to knowledgefight at gmail dot com dot Yeah, it's been like eight hundred episodes since we've done this, it would be interesting too, but yeah, send an email to knowledgefight at gmail dot com dot Sure.
Dip.
And try and trip me up with a little tongue twister.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
See what you see what you're trying to do it.
dan friesen
Send some Gaelic words.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
Siobhan's, get your engines going.
dan friesen
So Jordan can see me panicking.
jordan holmes
Don't panic.
dan friesen
So we have a little jump from our last episode to here.
And last we left off, Alex was, you know, he had his, his, with the Trump response to the Epstein debacle.
He was letting a Nazi take the high ground.
Sure, sure.
It was quite an embarrassing show.
And he was, he was a little turned off on Trump a little bit.
Sure.
There was a, there was a fair amount of, I'm gonna call it like I see it.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Maybe he's getting a ninety out of a hundred.
jordan holmes
I'm gonna call it like I see it.
This man's waffling.ler.
So waffles.
dan friesen
So where do you think he is now on a one to one hundred?
jordan holmes
I'm going with a 99.8.
dan friesen
You're in the right direction.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
I have seen a lot of really good actions against the globalists in the last week by Trump.
Six months ago, I would give him a 98, a month ago, I would give him about a 95.
He's already dollared back up to about a 97.
jordan holmes
Ooh, I'm so close.
alex jones
And anyone that isn't looking at all the positive stuff Trump's is doing and is just bitching and whining and complaining is not paying attention.
That doesn't mean we don't get on Trump's ass and people in his administration.
when they go the wrong direction.
No, we put him in there, he works for us.
They got national news constantly cherry picking when I criticize this or that.
Jones has deserted Trump.
Jones has abandoned ship.
Bull crap.
dan friesen
There's no difference between a 98 and a 95.
jordan holmes
I mean, I can't even understand why you would bother.
dan friesen
I don't know if there was that much media attention to the idea that Alex turned on Trump.
To the extent that anyone cared, it was really just people laughing at the situation he found himself in.
The whole time that Trump has been a relevant national level politician has been post Pizza Gate.
And his political movement runs on the satanic panic that arose out of that.
Watching the Trump propagandist scramble to find out what if they could afford to keep their connection with their power avatar has been funny.
And that's what any media outlet would have been covering.
Look at these guys squirm.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's hard not to look at it like that.
dan friesen
And here's the god's honest truth.
The only story here is that Alex didn't abandon Trump.
The fact is it's so revealing to what's actually important to him and it's not fighting corruption.
That is clear.
His number one brand is invalidated.
This is hard to articulate precisely, but there's a certain appeal that Infowars has that's built on not making excuses for politicians.
Why Alex repeats I'm not a lesser of two evils guy all the time?
Because this shows political identity is fundamentally opposed to that kind of thinking.
It's baked into the idea of like transcending the left-right paradigm, and it's central to why Alex backed Ron Paul in 2008 and 2012 instead of choosing a viable Republican candidate.
If you believe that you're fighting the devil and all your enemies have demons inside them, then you can't break out pros and cons lists to determine your allegiances.
If Trump's working with and aiding the devil on this giant thing and demanding you not question it, then it doesn't matter how many godly acts he might be doing on the side.
He's working with the devil, and that's what you're asking the audience to accept.
This is not sustainable in the long term, but it's not surprising that this is where Alex is.
jordan holmes
No, no, it's funny, it's very funny because, and even the tone that he's using, I remember this tone very well, I remember this tone very well because, and I think a lot of people will too.
Anyone who's still talking about Bernie is just getting in the way of Hillary winning this election, you know?
And it's like, man, for the longest time that was the bonus of being someone who wants to get away from the political system but is on the far right, you're not going to hearar that.
You can just scream like a lunatic and people will eventually do what you say.
But now, finally, you guys have to deal with Hillary.
That's what you're doing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Trump is your Hillary.
dan friesen
Alex has turned himself into a blue no matter who kind of guy.
100%.
But he wants to still think that he's I'm on the vanguard, I'm a big strong boy, but blue no matter who.
But the blue is Trump.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Yeah.
So Hillary and Trump are the same person now.
dan friesen
Trump no matter what.
jordan holmes
Oh my God.
dan friesen
So the Russians, yeah.
They got a summit coming up with Trump.
jordan holmes
I think it's going to go great.
dan friesen
Yeah.
In Alaska, they're going to meet up.
and maybe there'll be some false flags.
alex jones
And the Russian foreign ministry, Laborov, has come out and said there will be titanic efforts to prevent peace with Ukraine.
And they go into what those efforts will be, false flag attacks.
And again, you heard that from me first, I don't follow the Russian talking points.
They just always, days or weeks after I say something, say the exact same thing, because they see the same thing going on.
And quite frankly, listen to me.
But they're not the only government that does.
That's just a fact.
That's the level we're at by the grace of God.
dan friesen
So this is, I think, is a good illustration of what Alex can't let go of.
Appearing close to Trump and seeming like he's connected to that power is just one expression of Alex's addiction to playing this role of the most important person in the world.
Multiple governments take their cues from him, so if you really think about it, Alex Jones dictates foreign policy.
His rants, they move armies, they change history.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
There's a grandiosity to this position that he's put himself in for the show, and to reel it in at all would reveal, it would threaten to reveal how thin it is and how fake it all is.
Sergei Lavrov didn't say what Alex is claiming in that clip.
This is actually something that a Russian investment envoy named Kirill Dmitriev posted on Telegram.
He didn't say that false flags were going to be done to stop the Trump Putin summit, but that there was disinformation being pushed to try to derail it.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Dmitriev is the head of the Russian Direct Investment Fund, which is a ten billion dollar sovereign wealth entity created by the Russian government.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
More concerning for Alex is that he used to work for Goldman Sachs and was a World Economic Forum Young Global Leader.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
It's probably best to just pretend Lavrov said false flags are coming.
Let's not unpack this too much.
jordan holmes
Let's move on from that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Lavrov appeared at a thing with Alex.
jordan holmes
Here's what I like about an Alaskan peace conference or whatever.
Mm hmm.
Right.
If something happens.
What?
In Alaska?
That's crazy.
But why would anything happen?
Because it's Alaska.
That would be crazy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Right?
dan friesen
All bets are off.
jordan holmes
It's genius.
It's the best place.
It's the most obvious place to do something movie like crazy.
And that's why no one would ever do it.
dan friesen
If one of them didn't make it out, yeah.
You would be like, wow, the wild's going to be.
jordan holmes
Exactly, exactly.
unidentified
It would be the wild, like it's The cold, untamed frontier.
jordan holmes
Because what it needs to be is identical to John Cena and Idris Elba in that World Leaders movie, except it's Trump and Putin trying to survive in the Alaskan wilderness.
I think they would crush it.
And the only way to know is to give it a shot.
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think they have a little bit less charisma than Cena and Elvis.
Maybe a little.
Yeah.
So Alex is, is, is excited about this summit.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
That's great.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's excited about some other things that are going on.
jordan holmes
Probably racist based.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I think you might be able to make an argument.
There's talk of Trump sending the military in to Mexico.
Sure.
to take out all the cartels.
jordan holmes
Can they do that?
I feel like they can't do that for many reasons.
For so many reasons.
dan friesen
I will say that the Mexican president is opposed.
jordan holmes
Shouldn't that have something to do with why they can't do that?
dan friesen
Yeah, because it would be a military invasion.
jordan holmes
It would be invading a country, yeah.
dan friesen
Alex is into this.
jordan holmes
Of course.
alex jones
Oh, Mexico says that the United States has announced that it's going to invade it.
No, NATO has invaded Russia.
Mexico and China have invaded the United States.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
When Trump stood up with these tariff deals, he was not attacking people, he was retaliating to the attack.
Mexico is run by the narcoterrorist states, Venezuela, other countries.
It's run by the cartels on record, and Trump's given them seven months to stop the activities and shut down the cartels and they haven't.
So Trump is saying, I'm getting ready to have the US military, as he did four or five months ago, designate them terrorists take action against the cartels that are better equipped than even the Mexican military.
So translation, Trump has declared war on the cartels.
He warned them all and now they haven't taken action.
And so now Trump is getting ready to go after them.
And I'm not for invading Iraq or Syria or Russia.
And I've been against all these past wars because it was globalists run, globalists started and not in our interest.
I 100% support President Trump.
If he decides to engage in military strikes against drug cartels in South Mexico.
dan friesen
This is the anti war guy.
jordan holmes
There is, okay, now I think I understand why people would think he's the anti war guy.
But you have to understand, he's also from Texas, and that means he thinks most of Mexico should be theirs.
True, yeah.
dan friesen
True.
jordan holmes
Like they just took it once, why can't they take it again?
It's kind of their belief system.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
And as I was going through this, you know, listening to him, I started to realize that like his war philosophy is just like, no, no, too far away.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, one hundred percent, one hundred percent, too far away for now.
dan friesen
He's for wars that are close.
jordan holmes
Absolutely, because I can then I can have that., now I can have that.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
If we can't have Iraq, Iraq is not going to become the fifty first state.
How are we going to get a highway there?
dan friesen
Well, he considers himself like Confederate royalty and his family founded Texas and they did that by stealing it.
jordan holmes
Stealing Texas.
I mean, one could say they took a giant piece of land from people who were on it.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
So I think he likes that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that's kind of why he's down with Russia invading Ukraine.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's close.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
You get more stuff.
It makes sense.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I want your stuff is a reason to fight a war.
dan friesen
So this guy is anti war.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's super anti war.
jordan holmes
But he's a big into be and ease.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
For a country.
dan friesen
Yeah, country be and ease.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And this one would be good, man.
This one would be so good.
alex jones
I don't like war, but we have millions of dead from fentanyl.
We have millions dead from the crime waves and all the stuff of the past decades.
We have a physical invasion.
We have Mexico helping continue the invasion.
We are under attack, we didn't start it.
The Marines and the Army have had to go into Mexico in World War One when Mexico sided with the Germans and attacked us.
And before that, and if the Marines need to go into Mexico City, so be it.
dan friesen
This is almost indistinguishable from the people trying to defend Bush's warss after 9/11.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex says, consider the people who died of fentanyl.
While, you know, back in the day, they were concerned about the Taliban growing poppy and how they were responsible for all the heroin deaths.
jordan holmes
It's drugs.
It's drugs.
It's just us.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Alex says that there's a physical invasion, but back in the day, they had the physical attack of 9/11 to terrify people with.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
People say, Alex says that Mexico is enabling the invasion to continue.
While back in the day, it said Saddam is facilitating terrorism around the world.
jordan holmes
He sure did.
dan friesen
Alex is saying, we didn't start this and the Marines, you know, they've had to go into Mexico before.
And back in the day, they could point to the first desert storm as a piece of history that normalizes this march to war.
jordan holmes
There you go.
dan friesen
For someone who's built their career on the kind of ground that Alex has, this is pathetic.
This is so wrong for him to, like, he's got, the people have got to feel betrayed, right?
I mean, like, his audience has to feel like, what the fuck?
jordan holmes
It's, it's hard not to imagine that this will never, like, okay, do you just, do you think Texas should own everything south of Texas?
I think that's a genuine question now.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, sure, once you make Mexico safe.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you're going to have to take.
dan friesen
Gotta keep going.
jordan holmes
I'm going to take you're going to have to take Nicaragua.
You're going to have to take Guatemala.
You definitely need the Panama Canal, so you might as well take everything in between that and there.
And then once you're at the Panama Canal, go for Brazil.
Absolutely.
Brazil has so much things.
It's big.
Yeah.
dan friesen
And by that point, it's close.
unidentified
And frankly, we'll all be Mexican then.
dan friesen
I just I feel like you can't have lived through the Iraq War period and had the kind of mentality that Alex has seemed to have.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And put forth this kind of argument.
jordan holmes
I have been sold to war the same way for my entire life.
And it's probably never gonna stop.
dan friesen
And Alex has built his career on being the opposite of the people who are selling you that war.
And now he's trying to, you know, create support for invading Mexico.
jordan holmes
Listen, I'm a hardliner except for the situations where I want things the way I want them.
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's just fucking strange because he seems to actually want war with Mexico.
unidentified
Great.
alex jones
So I 100% support a measured, strategic rollout.
And look, the cartels may do terror attacks.
They may kill Republican leaders.
That's what get it out in the open fight here.
That way, it's not kids dying of fentanyl overdoses and stuff.
We'll send in the men and we'll fight your men and we'll see who wins.
jordan holmes
This makes sense.
alex jones
This is on the United States of America.
And this will also send a message to the rest of the world that America's back.
dan friesen
Yeah, man, it will send a message.
It will invade our neighbors.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Now, if I understand correctly, warfare has not evolved ever.
We'll send our men, you send your men, we fight the end.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That has that okay as a system.
now, historically as a system, has that worked out for us?
dan friesen
You know, it's got us where we are.
So no.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
There we go.
dan friesen
I can't see this as anything other than a little sabre rattling.
jordan holmes
Okay, so let's play this out.
Let's war games this from a very literal standpoint.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Right, so we invade Mexico.
What does that even look like?
Do we have cars?
Do we have tanks?
Are there are planes?
Are people getting bus over the border?
Like, what are we talking about when we invade Mexico?
dan friesen
Well, Alex has said that the cartels have better technology than the Mexican army.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So it would be a greater challenge than just invade Mexico.
That's a bigger challenge than just taking over Mexico.
jordan holmes
Right, absolutely.
dan friesen
So that's number one.
So you would need tanks, I would assume.
jordan holmes
Yeah, okay.
So we got that.
dan friesen
He did say measured.
jordan holmes
But there's so much distance you would have to drive a fucking tank.
It's a tank, you'd have to drive it forever.
That's a lot of gas.
This is an expensive war before we even have gotten there.
dan friesen
Right, and that's why you send a man on foot.
jordan holmes
I mean, is that what he really wants?
He's like, let's just do the Alamo, man.
We'll get a bunch of guys.
I have guns.
dan friesen
Are you asking if Alex wants to do the Alamo?
jordan holmes
I think Alex wants to do the Alamo.
dan friesen
That's all he's ever wanted.
I think you might be right.
I would I just think that this is a crazy position for Alex to have.
Like, we should fuck it, man.
They're going to kill Republican leaders.
unidentified
Good.
jordan holmes
I mean, I don't know if this maybe this exists for everyone.
Maybe we're all like, listen, this I'm against this, but fuck that guy, that guy's a piece of shit.
Let's go get him.
dan friesen
Like, I hate President Shane.
jordan holmes
Is that what we are?
dan friesen
I don't know.
So I thought this was strange and it only got worse as Alex began to discuss the idea of Trump taking over DC.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
And will it be next?
Will it be horrible?
Will it be disgusting?
Yeah, it'll be better than surrender and millions of our people dying quietly.
And the illegal aliens run over people and the drunk drivers and the car jackings and my reporter getting killed and all the home break-ins and all the rest of it.
So these criminals, just like the thugs all over DC, car jackings ten times a day, murders, everybody getting robbed, home invasions and Trump's like, I'm putting feds on the streets and we're going to federally charge people.
I mean, look, you've got to do something.
The communists, the globalists, he funded the police.
They want to make us a failed state just like Mexico.
Trump is doing what he has to do.
And on this, I 100% support.
dan friesen
So that's a fundamental betrayal of everything Alex is supposed to stand for.
jordan holmes
Literally everything.
dan friesen
Everything.
jordan holmes
Every single one.
dan friesen
Trump is attempting to whip up support for his idea of federalizing the police in Washington, DC.
And the only justifiable way to argue in favor of this is technicalities involving the Home Rule Act of 1973.
DC isn't a city and it's not a state.
So it doesn't fit the same mold as other municipalities in terms of offering its residents full self government.
They have a mayor who acts similar to a state's governor and their council is their legislature.
Because the center of the government is there, the federal folks have an outsized influence.
Congress has to sign off on all the bills that the council passes, and the president retains a lot of powers that would normally go to a governor, like taking over the police in in the case of an emergency.
jordan holmes
Sure, fuck it.
dan friesen
Section seven hundred forty of the Home Rule Act allows the president to take over the municipal police department if there's an emergency, but also they're only supposed to be able to do that for 48 hours.
By that point, the president is required to justify the use of force to Congress, unless Congress is adjourned when they do it, in which case they have 30 days.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
It may surprise you to learn that Trump invoked this while Congress was adjourned.
jordan holmes
Huh?
How about that?
dan friesen
So in the real world, crime is down significantly in DC, so it doesn't seem like there would be a good argument to say that this was an emergency that required this kind of action.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But that didn't stop the Trump administration from pretending that everything was out of control.
On august eleventh, after Trump officially took over the MPD, the White House published a statement titled quote fact, yes, DC crime is out of control.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
It begins, quote, Washington, DC should be a symbol of pride and patriotism for the American people and a safe location for tourists, residents, and public servants.
Unfortunately, while fake news, journalists and politicians go out.
of their way to claim otherwise, the reality is that our nation's capital is anything but safe.
That tone is not what I love to see.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
So the first thing they cite in this statement is a study from the Rochester Institute of Technology, which they accurately claim shows DC having a murder rate of twenty seven point three people per one hundred thousand residents.
In the very next sentence, they use this study again to claim that DC has the quote, fourth highest homicide rate in the country.
Sure.
This is based on that same study in that and it was correct based on that, that DC is the fourth highest among the municipalities that that paper looked at.
But that title, the title of that study is quote twenty twenty four homicide statistics for twenty four US cities.
Their data only included twenty four cities, which were selected because they were the same cities that this professor, Ershad Altheimer, used when they did the same analysis in twenty nineteen and twenty twenty.
This paper isn't about homicide rates full stop.
It's really about homicide rates in Rochester, New York and how they compare to trends and averages in other US cities.
The researchers chose twenty three other places in the country and that just became their data set.
It doesn't include some cities with notable homicide rates like Baltimore, Birmingham, Cleveland, and Jackson, Mississippi.
The Trump administration is using this paper to make the claim that can't be supported by the source.
And by the end of the statement that they put out, their citation for carjacking statistics is a link to a tweet.
Like this is very clearly trying to build the argument for why there's an emergency as opposed to showing an emergency and then responding to it.
jordan holmes
Right.
Everybody accidentally got it backwards.
What you need is an exact number for when you can do it.
And then everything else is when you can't do it.
So like what's the number?
number?
Like, is it one thousand per one hundred thousand?
And then you get to do that?
Okay.
But you have to have a number.
You can't just be like, twenty seven is enough.
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes
When?
Is forty too many?
Is ten enough?
What, like, what's the number?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, you have to work backwards.
dan friesen
Well, but yeah, twenty seven point three is an interesting number, and, you know, there's a lot of discussion you could have about it.
Sure.
But saying that it's the fourth highest city in the country is just a lie.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
It's not true based on the context of the source that it's using.
This is using a lie to push a narrative.
jordan holmes
Right, absolutely.
dan friesen
So who cares what the twenty seven is?
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, they shouldn't be able to do it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And if there's one thing that Alex's career has centered on, it's the idea that a tyrannical leader will exploit and fabricate crises in order to expand their power.
Whether he did nine hundred eleven or not, Bush used the public's fear around the attack to pass the Patriot Act and go to war, and Alex sold himself as being important because he was the voice who could interrupt the globalist plot.
Their evil plans to seize power rely on building that fear up because the public's fear is what drives the public to demand and accept actions that the tyrants couldn't get away with in other circumstances.
It's all part of the Hegelian dialectic, the problem reaction solution model of social control.
The globalists tell us there's a problem, and we react by demanding that the government take care of it.
They respond by offering a ready made solution, which was the reason that they got us all scared about that problem to begin with.
A perfect example of this from Alex's career is the body scanners being put in airports.
He said that on numerous occasions that they wanted to install these all over the place and the contractors stood to make a ton of money from that overhaul, but the public wouldn't have gone for it.
Instead of arguing that the scanners were a good idea, the globalists false flagged a flight with the underwear bomber, and just like that, people were demanding that the government protect them from that threat, even if it meant an invasion of our privacy.
jordan holmes
Hey, what are you going to do?
dan friesen
If you've listened to Alex's show and internalized the point that he's making, there's no way to interpret Trump's actions around DC as anything other than a tyrant creating a pretext to seize control.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
It's like, it's cookie cutter.
jordan holmes
There's no way to describe his own behavior earlier as anything but that.
Right.
Like, but, oh, Fentanyl, let's take Mexico.
It's very, yeah.
dan friesen
But, but now it's like, so.
jordan holmes
What are we doing?
Right.
He made the city a fortress.
dan friesen
Alex is saying feds on the streets.
Yeah.
That's something that he's saying.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, it's not even the Arkansas Department of Transportation.
No.
We have gone up several levels of scary and it's fine.
Yeah, well.
dan friesen
And here's the point.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
In the past, Alex has existed as a figure on the outside of the problem reaction solution dynamic, pretending to just observe the demonic plots of his enemies as they unfold and warning people.
But now he's part of the dialectic.
He's trying very hard to get his audience to be a part of the reaction that justifies Trump's solution.
He can't possibly be the figure that he's pretended to be all these years and not understand that that's what he's doing.
So he was either faking that shit all the time or he's now knowingly trying to calm the audience.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that's sad.
jordan holmes
Well, according to him, he's had talks with the White House where they say, What do you want?
So maybe he's got what he wants.
dan friesen
And, you know, he's had talks with God.
jordan holmes
Well, there's definitely that.
Absolutely.
dan friesen
It's just a mess, man.
jordan holmes
They got it.
Okay.
Now, I understand it's scary and stuff, you know, that he's taking terrifying from a metaphorical standpoint, but like, what is he doing with them?
You gotta arrest a congressman, right?
You gotta use the police to have a fake investigation and then arrest someone powerful and terrify the rest of them into submission, right?
Otherwise you're just kind of, you know, general vibe scary, you know?
dan friesen
Well, yeah, I mean, like we're pushing the boundary a bit.
jordan holmes
Sure, yeah.
dan friesen
You know what I'm saying?
You gotta push the boundary a bit.
I mean, well, I'm just gonna keep going.
jordan holmes
No, no, nobody's kicking doors down, is what I'm saying.
We're not yet quartering soldiers, which is nice.
That's a great amendment.
And I think it's going to hold up for quite some time.
But, you know, like, it's scary.
But what do you?
You got to do something with it to really give that punch, you know?
dan friesen
Well, actually, a little bit later in this episode, and I'm making this up, so don't take this seriously.
But Alex does talk about how, like, you know, all of you people probably wanted to run a bed and breakfast.
jordan holmes
Right?
dan friesen
Quartering soldiers ain't so bad.
jordan holmes
It's not, it could be worse.
Yeah.
You know, you've, you've got enough to, it's not like in the, in the 1700s.
dan friesen
Don't you support the troops?
jordan holmes
You've got a refrigerator.
That's better than they did.
You can handle a quarter, you can quarter a troop.
dan friesen
Yeah.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, um, Alex is in favor of Trump federalizing DC.
jordan holmes
Why not?
dan friesen
And that's crazy.
Sure.
He's also seeming to be very enthusiastic about war with Mexico, right.
Which is just nuts.
alex jones
We're not starting a war with the Mexican drug cartels that run that country.
They started it.
We're just recognizing that it's going on.
And once America finds its instincts again and finds its genetic code, and I don't mean that like an American Eagle had about white people.
I mean its code, what it is, to not sit there and bend over and take it up.
If you're going to go over and take it up the ass all day by the whole world, this will turn around very quickly.
So go ahead, Mexican cartels, attack an US military base.
Go ahead, kill some marines, kill some army, watch what happens.
What's going to get your asses to hell.
So you want to fight, you better believe you're about to get one.
Because Trump is very focused and he looks at all the data he has of what's killing this country.
And one of the biggest things is that narco-terrorist state to the south of us with a bunch of arrogant drug cartels that have taken control of the government and bullied almost every bit of it.
And let me tell you something.
When they run against 21st century high-tech military, it's bye bye.
They're not guys with a bag of rice in AK 47 on the Ho Chi Minh Trail.
They are in compounds running towns and cities out in the open.
They will be vaporized.
I just told you their threat, their posture, what they've got, what they have.
They are a pushover for the US military, other than if they decide to resort to terror attacks and targeting US law enforcement leaders, which, which, hey, eggs have to get broken here.
jordan holmes
What do we do?
alex jones
We want to come up here.
What the fuck?
kill some federal agents and some judges or talk show hosts.
I know you have to hit out on me.
Well, that's what grows the Tree of Liberty, bitch.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
So if you think all Americans have had their balls cut off and if you think there's no Americans left, you're about to find out.
I predict war with Mexico.
dan friesen
This is insane.
jordan holmes
Who the fuck is the you in this scenario?
Do you know what I mean?
If you think that you're like, who is you?
Who is clamoring for war with Mexico?
Who in Mexico is like, it's time for us to take down the US?
dan friesen
The cartels.
jordan holmes
Yeah, what?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Are they a full on like conquering military?
Do we have a colonialist force of cartels?
dan friesen
Yeah., I think he's thinking of the Salamanca's or something.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we're in Breaking Bad.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.
dan friesen
I, here's the only thing I have to say about this.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Completely insane.
Yeah.
But also, I do like the, that's how you water the Tree of Liberty, bitch.
jordan holmes
That's how you water the Tree of Liberty, bitch.
dan friesen
And the reason I like the way Alex is using that, yeah, is constantly that Tree of Liberty needs to be watered is a threat.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Alex is talking about his own blood.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's like, Come kill me, cartels.
jordan holmes
I'll be liberty, I'll web wash that tree.
Yeah.
dan friesen
You rarely hear that in that tone.
And I, I admire it slightly.
jordan holmes
Like, okay.
Okay, I understand he has this concept of war because we've lived through wars that happen elsewhere.
All of our wars have happened elsewhere because it's really, really hard to cross an ocean to fight.
It's really far, right?
But to have a war that could happen, can you imagine if Mexico just like put a siege on Phoenix and all those old people just got too hot and died?
Like that would end the war immediately.
We'd be like, ah, okay, we'll just keep the border.
The Rio Grande actually makes sense, you know?
dan friesen
Like, yeah, that's even going to Arizona.
Let's keep it there.
Like, let's keep it there.
Like, El Paso is right there.
jordan holmes
It's literally right there.
We share it.
Yeah.
I mean, it's just we're not doing East El Paso, West El Paso.
dan friesen
This is not Germany.
Despite sincere desire for that apparently.
jordan holmes
Yeah, apparently.
dan friesen
On Alex's part.
unidentified
Oh my God.
dan friesen
So Alex predicts that Trump will be able to beat the cartels in a week, just like, you know, the Epstein.
Yeah, he's getting out day one and, you know, Ukraine's done.
That's over now.
jordan holmes
It would take a week to get there.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Those tanks.
jordan holmes
That takes forever.
dan friesen
So he starts talking a little bit about Russia and Ukraine.
Sure.
Now Trump is going to solve all those problems.
jordan holmes
I bet he is.
dan friesen
It is Alaska Summit, because he and Putin, they're the ones who have real power here.
Zelenskyy is just going to go along with whatever deal these two work out.
jordan holmes
I feel like he's kind of been clear on not doing that.
dan friesen
Yeah, but Alex thinks it's all going to work out.
And then he talks a little bit about history.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Russia said the United States can have Ukraine, which produced forty percent of the Cold War weapons.
It's their main industrial center.
Because it's on the border with Europe.
Russia has destroyed their own infrastructure.
Russia with the Ukrainians, that's the same, it's like co a German shepherd versus an Alsatian.
Just a different variety of German shepherd.
I mean, it's literally where Russia started a thousand years ago.
jordan holmes
They're all different varieties.
They're all the same.
You understand that, right?
alex jones
Or Russia or Ukraine or Georgia.
They're all called Slavs because of this one Orthodox priest that came in there and evangelized people.
Slav the Wise.
He came from Ukraine.
He came from Kiev.
And so again, that's why Putin, when he talked to Tucker a few years ago, just harped for like an hour on history, saying, Do you understand this?
I mean, do you know this?
dan friesen
Slav the Wise was not an Orthodox evangelist.
He was the grand prince of Kiev and became the prince of Novgorod and Rostov.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
The word Slavic doesn't come from his name and that collective name precedes his birth by hundreds of years.
jordan holmes
Oh yeah?
dan friesen
I do admit they sound similar though.
So I did see how Alex convinced himself of this.
But that mentality that he's expressing there with like Russia, they ruined their own infrastructure by attacking Ukraine.
jordan holmes
That's why we need to attack Mexico.
dan friesen
It's the same mentality that you're talking about.
He thinks Ukraine is rightfully part of Russia.
jordan holmes
Just there.
dan friesen
And he thinks that Mexico is rightfully part of the United States or Texas.
jordan holmes
Man.
I can't begin to describe what would happen to his brain If he was like, wait, but they're all just different versions of dog.
So they're all one.
So like, people are all just different versions of people, man.
Maybe we're not being nice to Mexico.
dan friesen
Dog is God backwards, man.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's also pretty serious.
dan friesen
I got to call Rogan.
unidentified
You're right, we got to take Ukraine down.
dan friesen
So there's some good news about Trump.
Yeah.
He made a big deal recently.
Yeah.
Big money deal.
jordan holmes
To do what?
dan friesen
Selling the EU energy.
alex jones
And he's taking everything away from from the EU.
These deals screw them even worse.
I mean, when it comes to hardcore business, Trump is dominating.
For you.
The people don't understand geopolitics don't even see any of this.
Trump just got a deal since NATO blew up their Nord Stream pipeline, the Russians, okay, now you got to buy your gas from us at a premium.
Six hundred billion dollars two weeks ago.
So believe me, Trump isn't sitting there giving Russia a backback massage.
dan friesen
So this six hundred billion dollar deal is between the EU and the United States, and it wasn't a situation where where the Nord Stream was blown up so the EU had to come to us for gas.
Basically what happened here is that Trump threatened way too high of tariffs on EU countries and things got a little bit messy.
Following through with his threats would severely impact the US economy, but giving up on them would hurt his ego, so the EU struck a deal where they would avoid ridiculously high tariffs and they would pledge to spend a bunch of money in the future on US energy.
There's no commitment and no enforcement mechanism for this pledge.
Most experts say it would be literally impossible to follow through on it.
One basic issue is supply.
The United States couldn't export enough energy to reach the numbers in this agreement.
Politico quoted a gas expert as saying that the arrangement is quote completely unrealistic.
The numbers are just beyond wild.
She also said it was quote never going to happen.
jordan holmes
Huh.
dan friesen
And on the other side of the equation, you have a problem with demand in that the EU itself, it can't force member countries or private companies to buy American energy products.
Huh.
So they're not in a position where they can dictate that.
jordan holmes
Weird how that works.
dan friesen
So just like forcing them to buy American energy is impossible.
jordan holmes
Right.
And the United States can't create enough to get to the number that is in the- I feel like you're trying to make some sort of point, but all I'm hearing is that Trump is crushing it.
dan friesen
He's so good.
jordan holmes
He's so good.
dan friesen
So Trump needed something to save face over the fact that his tariff demands were not going to fly.
So the EU agreed to a ridiculous thing that the US can't deliver on and they can't enforce, so everyone can just walk away feeling like winners.
That's nice.
I was reading a couple of takes on this that.
jordan holmes
Are there takes?
Do you need a take?
dan friesen
Well, yeah, I don't know.
But people had the interesting point of like, I think people have figured out how to deal with Trump.
Yeah.
And that is just don't lie.
Yeah.
He's lying.
jordan holmes
Why would you not lie?
Right.
I how many times have I been screaming this at people for how long?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Give him a fantasy that will make him happy and then everyone else can act like they're real.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
dan friesen
Fake capitulation.
It's like it seems like it could work.
Yeah.
This deal was like a really prime example that people had of like, Well, it kind of looks like the EU just agreed to something that was non binding and they definitely can't do and the US wouldn't want to do either.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we'll play pretend with you.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
That's great.
Can I just ask the question?.
All right.
So Trump is crushing it at business for you.
Now.
And you?
I feel like perhaps if he was crushing it at business for me, there would be some evidence that he had crushed business for me in the past at any given point in time, and considering he is a 90 billion year old man, we would have some evidence.
But he has only ever crushed it at business for himself.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's true.
It's not there weren't homes stakes.
jordan holmes
You can you can crush it at business for other people without being the president.
dan friesen
You definitely can.
Yep.
And this is such a weird example for Alex to be taken as, like, this big win, because like the numbers, like I said, they're ridiculous.
Yeah.
They essentially would require the United States, all of the energy that we export, Yeah, have to go to the EU.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then we'd have to make more.
Yeah.
In order to get to this agreement.
jordan holmes
Or we could just not give a shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
No, imagine if we just had a department of the government called the Coddling Department that made up a bunch of fun things for far right conservatives and those people to believe in.
And then everyone else just worked the rest of the day like normal people.
dan friesen
I honestly think that maybe it's at this point.
Is it a chronic condition we just have to deal with?
jordan holmes
Right?
I mean, we have to live with It's about pain management, not pain solution.
dan friesen
I don't know, maybe.
So the issue that Alex has is that we gotta be nice to Putin.
Of course.
We gotta be friends with Russia, because if we don't, they're gonna be friends with China.
And we don't want that.
So we need to drive a wedge between them so we can have all the business.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Because Russia and the United States, they secretly want to be.
friends.
But not China.
No, China's bad.
jordan holmes
Why?
What?
dan friesen
I don't know.
Okay.
But Alex says something towards the end of this clip that I just thought was, and it's just very funny.
alex jones
So I've always been here.
Just because we're getting people in government that aren't one hundred percent against our country, doesn't mean when, oh, and now I'm for China taking over, because I don't want the US elites to be in control.
There are elites now.
We're taking the country back and we're cutting off the Chai comms.
jordan holmes
Got it?
alex jones
We have power.
We hold the administration's feet in the fire.
We're in charge.
unidentified
Got it?
alex jones
What do you think we stand up to Communist China by putting the Democrats in?
Maybe.
Well, JD Vance is just trying to end the war with Russia because he wants to cut China off.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
Uh huh.
Exactly.
You know what China's doing in the South China Sea and everywhere else?
You know what they're doing, dominating the whole planet and what their agenda is?
You think the Democrats are bad.
The Communist Chinese make them look like angels.
And the Russians have got the biggest country in the world.
More resources than the whole continent of Africa.
The real strategy.
Strategy Pentagon documents going back to the 50s and throughout until now and the RAND Corporation and Carnegie said the ultimate alliance would be the United States and Russia geographically and resource wise and culturally and through soft power we would dominate the whole planet and have a true golden age.
And to radicalize the Middle East, Saudi Arabia is going that way and just stop it.
And then we can have the Judson's future but not under this current trajectory.
So yeah, I do support Trump and the security establishment beachhead we have that doesn't want to drive Russia in the arms of China and destroy the dollary the dollar in America's future.
Yeah, 100%, I'm in line with that, of course.
And stop the eugenics poisoning of our food and water and the Bill Gates plan and all the rest of it.
And the Hollywood demoralization of the country.
Trump's doing all the right things on that stuff, folks.
Securing the border, national sovereignty, all of it.
But the main danger is NATO attacking a nuclear reactor in eastern Ukraine, blowing up some NATO ships planned on Russia, firing some missiles into Poland or Romania or something like that.
We're in the prime zone right now for Titanic efforts, as the Russians say, to derail this peace deal.
Because Zelenskyy and NATO won't take it.
So Trump says, fine, I'm going to do a deal with Putin, offer it to them, and if they don't do it, we're out.
And it's going to happen.
And this brings down the whole globalist system.
And it cuts Russia off from China and drives them into our arms, which in all strategic analyses is the obvious best move for everyone concerned.
Empires that were smart didn't kill each other.
They made alliances.
They married their sons and daughters off.
That's what they did.
dan friesen
That's strange.
Certainly the guy who hates like feudal systems and kings and stuff is like, we should intermarry.
jordan holmes
No, what we should have is two large empires that control vast swaths of territory between the two of them.
You know, I think that's great.
dan friesen
Through like threats of extreme violence.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
It's because it would be a new golden age.
So people would just naturally go.
go along with it.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
You know, like when you deradicalize the Middle East, if you're America and Russia, what you're really doing is just talking.
It's talk therapy.
Look at us.
We got through it.
You guys can get through it.
dan friesen
I'm picturing Putin pulling up a chair and sitting back.
jordan holmes
Oh, absolutely.
Let's rap.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Guys.
dan friesen
That's what he's getting into.
That's how he's approaching the situation.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
I guess the more shocking part was actually at the beginning of that clip where Alex is like, The elites are our elites now.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that one, yeah, that one's crazy.
dan friesen
You kinda have to be stupid to try to pull that.
jordan holmes
In what world can you have your own elites?
They have you, that's the whole point of the word elite is they have you.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
They have their own intrinsic interests that don't include you.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I understand the British people think it makes sense that they have a king, but the king has them.
That's how it works, that's how kings work.
dan friesen
Yeah, and like I said, this is kind of the difference that Alex is finding himself in.
Like he's inside that.
conversation between the elites and the Now that I'm an elite.
The unwashed masses.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
As opposed to being someone who's like, This is how they're trying to trick you, man.
It's like, I'm trying to trick you.
jordan holmes
This is like the guy who was in the union, who's fucking fighting, who's crushing it, and then he's a rep, and all of a sudden he's like, You know what?
These guys are really nice.
I think if you just talk to them, we don't have to get everything we want.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Has that vibe.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So most of the beginning of this episode has been a large desire to go to war with Mexico.
Right.
Uh, signing off 100% on Trump putting troops in DC.
unidentified
Ugh.
dan friesen
And I thought like, we're off to the fucking races.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But then, halfway through the show, everything changes.
Fuck that shit, because we got to talk about beef.
jordan holmes
Oh my God.
alex jones
Well, the story has gone mega viral in the last two days.
And I'm so glad that the public is finally erupting with interest over this.
Because I've been focusing on lab grown meat and lab grown butter and lab grown milk and insect flour.
It's not flour, it's toxic chitin shells of crickets and things.
jordan holmes
Or flour.
alex jones
For decades.
But now all the big top food producers, Tyson, you name it, in the last four years have invested tens of billions of dollars and they've got factories, you pull it up, built all over the United States to have lab grown meat and produce all these insects and try to force you to eat it.
dan friesen
Now, at first I thought, all right, we're just doing eats the bugs..
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Again, we're just going to try and rehash that territory.
jordan holmes
Why not?
dan friesen
But Alex kept teasing and he kept selling this story.
jordan holmes
It's going to make it viral.
What?
I don't know what it is.
dan friesen
Well, I'll give you a hint.
It has to do with making fake butter.
jordan holmes
There we go.
Fake butter.
dan friesen
Yeah, there's a fake butter company and someone did a local TV news piece about it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Was it that they can't believe it's not butter?
dan friesen
I don't, I think they legally couldn't say that.
But they were dancing around it quite a bit.
jordan holmes
I'm finding it difficult to grasp that this thing is not what I expect it to be.
dan friesen
You have deceived me into saying that.
Yeah, so that's the, like, the kernel of the story.
Right.
Now, I would probably just ignore this, except for this leads to one of the biggest belly flops I think I've ever seen Alex do.
I love it.
And I think it, I think it'll pay off even if I hype it.
jordan holmes
The high dive.
dan friesen
So here we get into the beginning of the discussion of lab made butter.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Trying to just look at the lab made butter.
We're going to look at lab made beef, salmon, all of it right now.
A comedy called Batavia in Illinois is makinging butter in a way you've never seen before.
No animals, no plants, no oils.
The butter is made from carbon.
Oil.
The sustainability focused approach has the blessing and backing of Bill Gates.
CBS News.
So let's go ahead and roll this news report, then I'll give you the news behind the news, the rest of the story.
tara molina
It looks, smells and smacks like the butter we're all familiar with, but without the farmland, fertilizers or emissions tied to that typical process.
dan friesen
So this company isn't called Batavia.
That's a city.
That's the city.
Yeah, the city in Illinois.
jordan holmes
I've done a lot of comedy at Batavia.
dan friesen
Sure you have.
There's a company called Savor.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
They have a factory in Batavia.
A fund started by Bill Gates is invested in Savor, and he wrote a blog post about their butter product last February.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
This isn't news.
Alex just saw a bunch of idiots posting about this year old story.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That now, like, maybe a week before this, some local news did a thing about the factory.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Isn't it interesting?
They make butter.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, I can't I understand that there's like a lot of fear and stuff, because yeah, of course there is.
But I thought, I've always thought that the future had, part of it was just like, oh, we can rearrange atoms to make the thing., you know, like, oh, we can rearrange the air to make butter.
Great, perfect.
That's the future, right?
I don't need to ask questions.
dan friesen
Sure, I mean, someone should be asking questions, but it's not me.
jordan holmes
But not me.
Yeah, I'm not, I'm not going to help in this situation.
dan friesen
I do a podcast and I'm kind of interested.
Yeah.
But I also know that I'm not a butter scientist.
jordan holmes
Absolutely not.
dan friesen
So I will, I'll leave a lot of those should we do this questions.
jordan holmes
I'm barely a butter enthusiast.
Yeah.
dan friesen
I I accept the stuff that's below.
I can't believe it's above.
I can believe it's not butter.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
This shit is not butter.
dan friesen
Nobody's gonna be tricked.
jordan holmes
Unmistakably not butter is the brand I buy.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So look, man.
They're trying to sell you fake butter.
jordan holmes
Also, where can I get to when can I get this fake butter?
Where can I get this fake butter?
dan friesen
It will come up later.
jordan holmes
Okay, good.
In the local news piece.
This is a very important thing because this is a local news piece from Batavia, Illinois that I'm supposed to view as a threat by the globalists.
dan friesen
In 2027, it might be in stores.
So get scared.
jordan holmes
Fear now.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But here's the thing.
They're trying to sell you this.
Yeah.
And they know the only way they can do it is to fucking get women to do it.
Because women aren't scary.
jordan holmes
Women aren't scary.
Yeah.
kathleen c alexander
Compared to the carbon footprint being much lower for a process like this, right?
The land footprint is like a thousand times lower than what you need in traditional agriculture.
tara molina
I know what you're thinking.
I think we need to taste this.
I would love for you to taste this.
How does it taste?
It's possible.
kathleen c alexander
I love butter.
alex jones
Notice how all the managers, all the reporters, oh my God.
are women with Stockholm syndrome.
Like they got their college degree in PR and science.
And so it's non threatening.
Oh, it's a woman.
It's always a woman.
Oh, we're going to teach your son to cut his penis off.
It's transgenic.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry, that's a joke.
alex jones
I'm a woman.
I'm not threatening because epigenetically, you're not threatened by a woman as being a tyrant because traditionally, men commit ninety seven percent of violent crime in every culture.
dan friesen
Okay, so I think Alex's point is supposed to be that the globalists have women sell you on these evil things like fake butter because nobody's afraid of women.
That's great, but Alex is super afraid of women and anything he sees as not masculine enough.
The globalists are not putting a female face on this.
The company's co-founder and CEO just happened to be a woman named Kathleen Alexander.
Alex sees a woman in this position and he needs to invalidate it somehow because she couldn't possibly be there because of merit and hard work.
She's only there because the globalists need a not scary face to sell you on fake butter.
And if they didn't need that, then a man would be in charge because that's the way nature intended it.
And I'm not afraid of women.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, I think the real issue here is that the magical science is finally being perfected.
Alchemy will come true in our lifetime.
We will be able to turn lead into gold.
And that is, that is, the reality.
is an achievement, right, that not even Newton, not even Isaac Newton himself could figure out.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
So now, it's amazing.
Now we can turn air into butter.
jordan holmes
We're just going to make butter from air.
That's, shouldn't that just be something that we all go, like, good for you?
Like, I'm not even, I'm not even stoked or against it or anything like that.
If you want to try and turn air into butter, fuck yeah.
dan friesen
Well, I think the real question is, once they do that, what will stop them from replacing all the air with butter?
unidentified
I mean, and then how do you So many, again, so many things.
dan friesen
Oh, they pretend to care about climate change, but they want to replace air with butter.
jordan holmes
So the butter is like a cat's cradle..
It's like Vonnegut's Ice Nine or whatever.
Once you fabricate enough butter, it will create its own butter chain reaction, and then we'll all drown in butter.
unidentified
You're crazy not far off.
dan friesen
I'm kind of joking, but Alex kind of thinks that lab grown meat is self-replicating in a way that it could take over.
jordan holmes
Right, fair enough.
That's what you're going to do.
dan friesen
Because they're growing this meat with human hands and souls.
tara molina
How does it taste?
unidentified
I love butter, so I'm going to take a really healthy amount.
tara molina
Admittedly, surprisingly.
alex jones
Back it up again.
Back it up.
jordan holmes
Back it up.
alex jones
I love butter.
It's all scripted, so I'm going to take a really big bite.
It's not butter.
How are they allowed to call bug protein chitin, very carcinogenic, their shells, flour?
How are they able to call human cancer cells beef?
How are they able to call human cancer cells, I'm about to get to it, fish?
Because you take a blob of fish and throw it in with Henrietta Lacks immortal cell line, and it grows a whole vat of it.
Cancer takes over those cells like the movie The Thing, and then reproduces a giant vat.
Some of these vats I've seen are the size of Olympic swimming pools.
Huge and you just put in blobs of Henrietta Lacks' cancer blob and you throw in some salmon cells, and a month later you got a big giant vat of salmon.
unidentified
Do you?
Yep.
dan friesen
Just throw it in the pool.
unidentified
Just so Henrietta Lacks cancer cells into some fish.
jordan holmes
I mean, this is not a great thing.
system, but if it works, you know, it works.
dan friesen
It's so funny, because I see the thought process in his head.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
I see it.
jordan holmes
It's how Clayface from the Batman Antimate series was created.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's amazing.
He's it's so dumb, but kind of beautiful.
jordan holmes
It is the way that a child would see how this would work, and it would be pure in its own way.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So throughout this, he's, you know, interrupting this local news story.
Right.
Teasing a lot that he's about to, he's going to get to the cancer cell part of it.
Henrietta lacks of it all.
jordan holmes
I could not love calling a local news segment acting more.
Like this is, have you ever seen a local news?
These are so, this is the most produced thing that this place is going to make that day.
And they loved it.
They fucking loved it.
Let them have their fun.
dan friesen
Yeah, to the extent that anything isn't taken over by like Clear Channel or whatever these big conglomerates that own all the stations.
Let these people do their shit.it.
jordan holmes
People just have their fun.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
So Alex is teasing.
He's teasing away.
jordan holmes
We're just like Mark.
tara molina
Another reason they say this makes an impact?
No palm oil, a significant contributor to deforestation and climate change.
That's not all.
Of the 51 billion tons of greenhouse gases emitted every year, seven percent is from the production of fats and oils from animals and plants.
So when could you get a taste yourself?
Right now, they're working directly with a friend.
alex jones
Oh, it's so wonderful, so delicious, and so healthy.
When can you get it for yourself?
That's what you asked.
jordan holmes
Yes.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's what I have.
alex jones
Don't worry, it's always the most trendy restaurants first, just like the fake salmon from human cancer cells.
We'll tell you about it in a moment.
Let's continue.
dan friesen
This is a guy having fun.
jordan holmes
This is great.
dan friesen
Some ladies are talking about fake butter and Alex is pissed off about it, so he's just interrupting this video over and over so he can blow off steam and keeps promising that right around the corner he's going to show us these lab made meats that are being grown with human cancer cells.
He sucks and this is stupid, but there's something about this that feels right.
This feels like home for Alex.
jordan holmes
When I was growing up, my grandfather spent most of his day, like starting at 10 a.m. or whatever., at this bar with these three other guys playing cards the whole day.
They were not drinking, they'd have maybe a beer.
unidentified
Like they were just there, that's where they were.
jordan holmes
And they were talking bullshit about each other.
Things that were senseless that could never happen, that will never happen, that wouldn't happen in anyone's mind but their own.
That's what Alex is meant to do.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
That's it.
dan friesen
He's meant to like sit there and talk shit and break down what secret messages the media is trying to tell you with this fake butter stuff.
jordan holmes
Interjected every now and then with it's your play.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's what it has to be.
dan friesen
And like he needs the staff to press the button and mac it up a couple of seconds.
He needs that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He can't do it himself.
jordan holmes
Uh uh.
dan friesen
So the local news hit ends.
And Alex is fucking pissed about her garderobe.
jordan holmes
Bullshit.
tara molina
I have information on food sustainability and how this could impact our food industry moving forward in the story that's up on our website right now, where you'll also find more information about this company.
Reporting inside Savers facility in Batavia, I'm Tara Molina, CBS News Chicago, investigators.
alex jones
Oh, and like the doctors wearing white lab coats, take the shot, you can't get COVID, you can't share it.
You'll get a nice heart attack cancer, though, and it'll destroy your immune system, and you'll get COVID much worse.
She's wearing a hard hat and safety glasses.
My God, I have to listen to her.
dan friesen
So Tara Molina has won both national and regional Edward R. Murrow Awards, holds a master's degree in mass communication from Arizona State University's Walter Cronkite School of Journalism and Mass Communication, and is overqualified for her.
Sure, she put on a hard hat and safety glasses for the sign off shot of this piece, but that's kind of like the level of quirk that they allow on local news.
jordan holmes
Local, this is what we're here for, man.
dan friesen
This is the human spirit that this uses to give in to corporatism.
jordan holmes
All of everything else that you could ever complain about mainstream media doesn't apply to this one section.
This media is perfect for what it is.
dan friesen
And it relies on that hard hat.
jordan holmes
Absolutely, absolutely.
dan friesen
The story is about a factory in Batavia producing this butter, so it's not like that hat is out of place, but more importantly, how is wearing a hard hat like people wearing lab coats so they can convince me to get vaccinated?
alex jones
Right?
dan friesen
I get that a lab coat is supposed to signal that I can trust those doctors, but are construction workers known for telling you what foods are safe?
or are they butter scientists?
jordan holmes
I mean, I have no idea.
Does that make me trust her more to be like, Oh, she's a blue collar person instead of the very qualified woman who's telling me about this?
dan friesen
I don't know, but he's mad.
jordan holmes
I mean, but don't you don't you see the beauty in a local news segment about imaginary butter you might see two years from now?
dan friesen
Maybe if you and you will never have to buy.
No, no.
You will never, it will never affect your life.
jordan holmes
You will probably never think about it again.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Almost certainly never, ever again will you think about it?
dan friesen
If you're going to hear it again, will you think about it?
The only reason you're thinking about it now is because someone tweeted something angry about this local news story and you saw it on Twitter.
jordan holmes
You're of the people who saw it in real time, you're one of maybe two hundred.
dan friesen
If that.
alex jones
Yep.
dan friesen
So, you know, you got these butter, fake butter.
jordan holmes
Fake butter.
dan friesen
Now, that's like a, you know, fatty thing.
It's like a fat, oiled, sharpid kind of thing.
jordan holmes
I mean, if you can create it on an atomic level, I suppose you can't call it fake butter.
It's just, it's actual butter.
dan friesen
I don't believe it.
unidentified
I don't know.
dan friesen
I don't want to litigate that.
I don't really care.
I'm just using fake butter as a proxy because Yeah, no, I was just being real.
It's real enough for me.
Yeah, I don't care.
Absolutely.
But they also got fish.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
They got salmon.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
They got some salmon that had grown in swimming pools.
alex jones
I mean, everyone is rejecting this crap.
But you notice, oh, they're putting it in food companies that don't tell you what's in the ingredients.
Like, well, they said that's coming in 2017.
Really?
It got approved last year, and now it went on the shelves this week at restaurants at the most trendy Haitian restaurant in San Francisco.
Oh, lab grown salmon introduced by Bay Area based cultivated seafood company, wild type.
So it's not wild, but they tell you it's wild salmon when you Oh, it's wild, but it's not, it's not even salmon.
jordan holmes
Yeah, man, right.
dan friesen
So there are literally news stories about this brand of salmon being lab grown.
So I'm not sure what point Alex is trying to make.
The only reason he's even heard of their name is because someone wrote a press release about it being served at this restaurant and then folks like Alex follows on Twitter got mad about it.
There's no trickery here.
And the only reason this even happened is because Trump's FDA approved their salmon for public sale back in May.
jordan holmes
Oh my God.
dan friesen
So the wild type name of a company.
Nobody's being tricked.
They're trying to actually get more people to the restaurant.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
By advertising, hey, we got this fake salmon.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Can I ask you a question?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay.
These swimming pools of fake salmon.
Do you see yourself being able to, like, if you were giving a guided tour, would you be able to grab a spoon and be like, take a little spoon?
Like, have a, have a taste of salmonmon for yourself.
unidentified
Texturally, mm, spork.
jordan holmes
But yeah, I think that's wise.
dan friesen
Yeah, I'm actually kind of imagining, like, does Alex think there are fins?
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That's what I'm thinking.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Does he think you still need to clean it?
jordan holmes
What level of recreating fake salmon does he think?
I mean, obviously we know that it's not like they're putting it in salmon shaped molds.
And then, you know.
dan friesen
They're not also recreating scales.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But does he think that?
dan friesen
Right, yeah.
That's the million dollar question.
And I don't know.
jordan holmes
I don't know either.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So they they use this name, wild type, to try and trick you.
Because they want to trick you into eating this fake meat, and that's why they use the women.
jordan holmes
Don't they have on the menu, like fake salmon, or even a press release that's probably available that they put them, they themselves put out.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
They made a big deal out of it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
Area based cultivated seafood.
Seafood.
It's not seafood.
It's grown in a lab.
Cultivated seafood wild.
What did they call their company with the fake butter?
Savor.
It's savory.
Everything.
Listing again a deadly poison like cyanide is applesauce.
Lab grown salmon is now FDA approved.
Here's why this one restaurant is putting it on the menu.
It's the hottest restaurant, the Haitian restaurant.
Wow, Haitians are definitely done with their cuisine.
Well, they're black, we better eat it.
dan friesen
So that's quite a point of leap.
jordan holmes
What are we doing?
Whoa.
dan friesen
So this company, Wildtype, makes lab grown salmon products, and a completely separate restaurant decided to incorporate it into a dish after the FDA approved the salmon.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That restaurant serves Haitian cuisine, which Ellis is a good one.
It's a French cuisine, which Alex associates with black people, so it must be a ploy to stop people from questioning the meat.
This is a dude who thinks that women are trying to trick him into eating fake butter and he'll be called a racist for not eating fake salmon.
Yeah.
This is sad.
jordan holmes
You know what?
This reminds me of when I was growing up, there was a certain type of dude who you would be out with and maybe you'd just be walking and then you'd be talking and then he'd do like a nut tap where he'd just smash you in the balls real hard, right?
That hit of racism at the end, that was a nut tap to me.
That was exactly like, Jesus man, ow.
Like, what the fuck just happened?
There's no need for that.
dan friesen
No.
No, there's not.
jordan holmes
No, don't be that guy.
dan friesen
I love that this show has deteriorated to Alex being so suspicious about black people and women trying to make him eat fake foods.
jordan holmes
What in the world could you possibly why would they what?
dan friesen
Well, we might we might have an answer a little bit later.
jordan holmes
All right, so we're in the meeting, right?
Where we're trying to sell people fake salmon.
All right, we're people who are in the real world thinking about how the real world works, right?
Our is our first thought like, oh, America responds well to black people and women.
dan friesen
They're not afraid of women.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And they don't want to turn down fake salmon from a Haitian restaurant because they'll be called racist.
jordan holmes
You know what?
If I was going to work with McKinsey Consulting, I doubt that would be their decision.
dan friesen
Probably.
jordan holmes
Just saying.
dan friesen
So here is what I would say is one of the finer moments of recent memory on Alex's show.
Alex is talking about he finally is done with the complaining about the ladies and the men.
jordan holmes
We're free.
We're free of that.
dan friesen
Talked about the salmon a little bit.
Yeah.
Now we got to talk about cancer cells.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
We got to talk about the immortal cell line.
jordan holmes
Right, Henrietta Leck.
Yep, yep.
alex jones
It's not me.
That's false advertising.
Who's afraid of lab grown meat?
Yeah, what's your wrong, pussy?
Science created immortal human lipid cells.
Now let's talk about in most of these companies how they're producing it.
Growth hormone, immortal cell lines.
And then they just emulsify the cells of whatever it is they want to copy.
And then the cancer grabs it and then uses it.
The vitamin water, basically, I don't mean the actual company, vitamin water, but vitamins and sugar, and then it just produces this giant cancer blob, and then they call it beef.
unidentified
Beef.
dan friesen
That's such a good explanation.
That's good.
jordan holmes
I imagine getting so many degrees, working so hard for so long, learning so much, and then being at like a dinner party and just having to try and do something.
and explain even the slightest bit of it to Alex and then just going, fuck it.
You know what happens?
We put some stuff into a little Petri dish and then it goes, and then you get meat.
That's what happens.
dan friesen
It would go the opposite direction.
Like Alex would be like, oh, you think you're so smart with what you do at your job?
It's just a.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's fair.
That's fair.
dan friesen
Try and alpha you.
jordan holmes
Oh, you use syringes.
We all use syringes.
dan friesen
So Alex has quite a headline there about immortal human lipid cells being created by these scientists.
unidentified
Yes, absolutely.
dan friesen
So lipids are a group of chemical compounds in the body that take a bunch of different forms, but...
One of the main ones is fats and oils.
Sure.
This is why the news about the butter is so important.
Because they claim they're just coming up with this fatty oil out of nowhere, but isn't it just a coincidence that scientists created an immortal human lipid cell line?
It's almost too big of a coincidence to ignore.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, in a sense it is a coincidence, but also at the same time, in a sense it's more that one is not possible without the other being true.
dan friesen
Well, I have other news for you.
jordan holmes
Uh oh.
dan friesen
Alex misread the headline.
jordan holmes
Oh no.
dan friesen
The actual headline is, quote, scientists have created immortal human lip cells.
Lip, not lipid.
This is about researchers at the University of Bern successfully immortalizing a lip cell line for the first time, which is a big breakthrough and has nothing to do with fake meat.
jordan holmes
No, that seems cool.
dan friesen
This is art.
Alex has been teasing this immortal cell shit for the whole episode, and then when it's time to pull out the source, he misread a headline.
But he's in too deep to bail.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
I want you to listen to this moment again.
alex jones
Scientists have created immortal human lipid cells.
Now let's talk about He knows that didn't say lipid.
unidentified
Fuck.
jordan holmes
I do like it whenever his pa pauses are swear words.
Yeah.
That's nice because we've We've seen it a lot, especially when trying to read where he just go fuck silently.
I appreciate it.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
dan friesen
This, like, that's poise though, too.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's a guy who realizes, like, can't go back.
Can't go back now.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
If I stop running at full speed, I'm going to No.
jordan holmes
A lot of people would have read the word, hit a brick wall, and then have scrambled.
Like they would have panicked.
They wouldn't have been able to pull it off.
That plane is getting crashed into that mountain.
This was, this was fantastic.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Sometimes it's just good.
dan friesen
Just a little pause.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That you can clearly tell.
I'm well, yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh boy, if I keep running I'll never fall.
dan friesen
Yep, yep.
So why not keep running?
jordan holmes
Why not keep running?
alex jones
CNN, lab grown meats cleared for sale.
Go read about immortal cell lines.
unidentified
Just type it in.
jordan holmes
Type it in.
alex jones
Henrietta Lacks and one other person, their cells never die.
You mix with anything, it just copies them.
unidentified
You mix with anything, it just copies them.
alex jones
They call her cell line, her family gets paid a patent on it, Hila.
Henrietta Lacks.
jordan holmes
Yeah, man.
alex jones
Millions and millions of tons every year of her cells created.
Henrietta Lacks, immortal cell line.
Here she is right here.
She came in, a couple of weeks, this blob grew, ate her whole body, this giant amiibo sitting there on the wait.
Hospital bed.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
alex jones
See what this does.
And now you eat it.
A spontaneously immortalized muscle stem cell line from brown marbled grouper for cell cultured fish meat production.
You can just read all about grouper and salmon and everything.
And they just they just splice it in with her and just call it that.
So did you know you're eating a black woman's cancer cell?
dan friesen
So that article that Alex thought was about lipid cells but was about lips talks about how the researchers were able to create that line from donated cells from two people who are currently alive.
The name immortal cell line sounds like something overworldly or magical, but it's really not.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Alex thinks that there are only two cell lines that have ever been immortal, which, which come from Henrietta Lax and some unidentified child.
Because he thinks all immortal cell lines come from these two sources, whenever he sees those words, he assumes that it must be about human cells from one of them.
The headline that he reads off there about Grooper is from a 2024 article in the journal Communications Biology titled A spontaneously immortalized muscle stem cell line from brown marbled Grooper for cell cultured fish meat production.
This is about fish muscle cells.
It has nothing to do with Henrietta Lax.
This is crazy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, maybe, maybe.
Okay, so if I'm looking at two options, all right, tell the truth wherein very smart people have figured out all kinds of very smart things and I look like an idiot, or lie my balls off and call people cannibals.
dan friesen
There are reasons to be wary of technologies like this.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
You don't have to be stupid to be skeptical.
And it's so funny that Alex can't.
He has to be stupid.
jordan holmes
Just be, just it's fine.
It's fine.
If you're going to get poisoned by fake butter, there's no way you're going to be able to stop it.
Right?
Like, if you can see a fake butter poisoning coming, then they shouldn't even do the fake butter plan.
Right?
dan friesen
Sure.
I mean, I think, again, we get to the issue of all air being replaced by butter.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And the scientists will be bitten by the snake they tried to charm.
jordan holmes
The butter singularity is going to happen.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So anybody would, you know, you'd not start the process because you'd know that this is inevitably what's going to happen.
jordan holmes
My wife loves the butter.
That would be her chosen way to go.
The butter singularity.
Yeah.
dan friesen
I mean, look, it's savory.
jordan holmes
It's that's what they want you to think.
dan friesen
Sure.
So Alex starts to think about this.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's like, Okay, I have just described the blob.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
And Exactly.
dan friesen
It absorbs everything and becomes bigger.
And so Henry Delacque's whole body became a big old blob.
jordan holmes
If I understand correctly, that's what he said.
dan friesen
And then they just started adding it to things.
jordan holmes
That.
dan friesen
And then like, oh, hey, we can make beef.
So he started to think about this, and I believe at some point, live on air, Yeah.
He realizes, why would it ever stop?
jordan holmes
Good question.
dan friesen
So if I'm buying a steak, yeah.
That is this.
jordan holmes
That self grows.
dan friesen
It's going to, if I leave it in the fridge or whatever, it's going to become two steaks.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And then four, and then eight, and then sixteen.
jordan holmes
That's how it works.
dan friesen
And then we're going to get into that grain of rice thing with the prince.
jordan holmes
It's going to be a problem.
dan friesen
Chessboard.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, it's going to be a problem.
dan friesen
And so Alex is like, you better just cook it.
I mean, that'll stop it.
unidentified
What do we call cancer shells?
alex jones
Blobs.
We're going to sell them tumors of hyperactive cancer cells that take over everything.
Well, you, oh, you, I'm just thinking here.
You better cook this lab.
grown meat really good, because if you absorb, well, this just hit me, if you eat, Say it.
A living, undead, uncooked, immortal cell line that takes over any cells around it.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That means.
alex jones
Oh my God.
What's the Covid shot doing?
It goes in and turns off.
Causes cancer, my God.
Good Lord.
I mean, and then, and then, and then you've got all the big, big pharma companies saying, Oh, cancer is about to rise five thousand percent.
Oh, my God.
It's going up right now.
You know, straight up, and you're like, And everybody's going to be eating this.
Oh, honey, let's go out and have some wild salmon tonight.
Mm.
I only paid fifty dollars for this.
This is wild cod.
unidentified
Oh, good Lord.
dan friesen
He's cracked the code.
He's figured it all out.
jordan holmes
I don't know what to do with that.
Oh, good Lord.
dan friesen
See, here, I want to talk about that specific moment with you because I really don't know if Alex is taking himself seriously in that moment.
jordan holmes
Hundred percent.
dan friesen
Has he given up on himself?
jordan holmes
It was I, I, because the tone is problematic.
The tone sounds fake.
The tone sounds incredibly fake.
The tone sounds like fucking Adam West is saying, Oh, good lord, the Joker is out again.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
It's tongue and cheek, but at the same time, Oh, no, no, no.
dan friesen
I don't know.
alex jones
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I don't think his is tongue and cheek.
I met Adam West.
dan friesen
Sure.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Right.
His, but his has the similar tone to that, which makes it difficult for me to say that it's a genuine.
Oh, good lord, as in fear of this brilliant plan that he stumbled upon.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Like, I think what it feels like to me is someone.
who hasn't convinced himself.
Right.
And he can't really even get it up to.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
Just like, uh, Ooh, hey, if you eat the beef, it'll give you cancer in the, because it'll, the cells.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And the COVID shot was to wipe out your immune system so you couldn't fight the beef, the fake beef.
jordan holmes
You're right.
Is this him being like, I can no longer get it up?
This is my ED.
This is what it looks like.
This is what it looks like.
This has never happened to me before.
I can't get it up for this.
I guess the meat is going to become everything.
Bullshit.
dan friesen
I think, I think some of it has to be.
because of the lipid thing.
jordan holmes
No, you're right.
dan friesen
I think that even though he valuably fought through that headline.
He gave it a shot.
Even though he didn't show any sign of losing his momentum in the moment, I think it took its toll.
I think the friction of that has got him to the point where, like, I don't want to overcommit to this because by tomorrow I'm not going to be able to use this headline anymore.
No.
unidentified
So.
jordan holmes
I shouldn't have used it today.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
The beef is going to take over.
jordan holmes
The beef is going to take.
dan friesen
Oh, good Lord.
Oh, God, you guys.
jordan holmes
I've, ah, I can't I fucked up.
I fucked up guys.
This one's this one's on me.
Maybe try the butter.
It's probably gonna be fine.
unidentified
That's but I feel like this is Okay.
dan friesen
And here that.
Oh, good lord.
unidentified
Oh, good lord.
dan friesen
That's why you storm off.
That's why you're right.
When you have that headline, you pretend that there's a tech problem and you just get off air.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Regroup because you're gonna end up in a situation where you're like, better cook that.
Cook that beef.
Well, you better cook that cancer.
jordan holmes
Well, that's where you ended up.
Better cook that.
You better cook that.
Well, we've already established that you've bought the fake meat.
You're fucked.
According to Alex, you've already bought the fake meat, but you've got the fake meat.
You've been tricked by the globalists.
dan friesen
It's called wild time.
jordan holmes
You're like, oh, well, but then the globalist plan can be foiled by proper cooking, if I understand correctly in Alex's worldview.
dan friesen
But yeah, yeah.
You have to get a meat thermometer.
jordan holmes
But you have to have it, it has to be well done.
We can no longer have a meat thermometer.
It's all shit.
Oh good Lord, oh good Lord.
dan friesen
They're trying to, they're trying to change everything.
It's not a meat thermometer.
jordan holmes
It's a cancer thermometer.
It's a Hila thermometer.
dan friesen
Oh boy.
So anyway, that was a lot of fun.
And I'd like to remind you that this episode started with him encouraging war with Mexico.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And then turned into a tirade about fake butter based on a misreading of a headline.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
You know, I will say, you know what I would say?
I would say this, you know, like when you think about reading history books and they tell you the things that happened, it's sometimes hard to put yourself in the mind of someone who's living through the thing that happened, right?
So you can find out that all these characters are actually ridiculous characters later on.
But in the moment you're like, this is the government saying, this is the Emperor of Rome saying something, right?
It's hard to imagine living through...
unidentified
...
jordan holmes
The vat of pool, of salmon stuff being real.
And then just, oh, I guess that's fine.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Just throw a little bit of, throw a little salmon steak into the pool in your.
jordan holmes
Just a pool sized vat of undulating salmon cancer cells.
dan friesen
And it had to be a pool too, because he's thinking about swimming.
Yeah.
As a fish.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, like, you wouldn't have a pool full of beef.
jordan holmes
Why?
Why would you have a pool full of beef?
Isn't barrels, don't they exist for a reason?
dan friesen
Yeah, barrel beef.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's got to be a barrel.
It's got to be a barrel.
dan friesen
Fish are in a pool.
jordan holmes
You could grow it in casks., we could have like aged fake meat.
Yeah, that's the way to do it.
dan friesen
But that's the thing.
Once they crack that nut, yeah, it's all over.
You can age immediately.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You can age that meat.
jordan holmes
You're right.
You're right.
There's just no, there's no end to it.
And that's why the poison will be in the butter, obviously.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because you put a little butter on your fake steak.
jordan holmes
It's good that way.
dan friesen
Double dead.
jordan holmes
It's good that way.
dan friesen
Oh, dear God.
jordan holmes
Oh, dear God.
dan friesen
So, uh, anyway, Trump has taken over DC.
jordan holmes
That's the take away from this episode in particular.
dan friesen
And Alex is spending his evening talking about butter.
We will check back in to see how Alex reacts once Trump actually has deployed some of these forces.
And Alex is forced to justify and defend this.
But until then, we have a website.
Indeed, we do.
jordan holmes
It's knowledgefight dot com dot Yep.
unidentified
We'll be back.
dan friesen
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I'm the mysterious professor.
jordan holmes
Woo.
unidentified
Yeah.
Woo.
Yeah.
Woo.
jordan holmes
And now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy and Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
jordan holmes
So Alex, I'm my first time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your work.
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