#1067: July 30, 2025
In this installment, Dan and Jordan watch Alex desperately beg a youthful antisemite to say it's okay to still love Trump, despite his clear mishandling of the Epstein issue.
Aug. 18, 2025 - Knowledge Fight
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| Knowledge fight Dan and Jordan, I am sweating Knowledge fight dot com, it's time to pray. | ||
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I have great respect for Knowledge fight. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
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Dan and Jordan. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| Need money. | ||
| Andy and Kansas. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| Andy and Kansas. | ||
| Andy and Kansas. | ||
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Andy. | |
| It's time to pray. | ||
| Andy and Kansas. | ||
| You're on the airplane for a little bit. | ||
| Hello Alex. | ||
| I'm the same color I wish you were today and I love your room. | ||
| Knowledge Fight. | ||
| Not knowledgefight dot com dot I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple of dudes. | ||
| Like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jordan. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Quick question for you. | ||
| So, what's your bright spot today, buddy? | ||
| My bright spot today is actually kind of a dark spot. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| This Popeye thing was a big mistake. | ||
| Oh no. | ||
| It's bad. | ||
| It's bad? | ||
| Bad stuff. | ||
| How bad? | ||
| I've watched one. | ||
| I've had time to watch one of them. | ||
| And I've watched Popeye's Revenge. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And it doesn't follow any of the mythology of Popeye. | ||
| That's not hard to believe, but okay. | ||
| We start off the movie and first problem. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's in the UK. | ||
| And This doesn't make sense to me. | ||
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No. | |
| This seems very wrong. | ||
| Yeah, everyone has British accent. | ||
| That's a terrible idea. | ||
| Yeah, very You've already failed. | ||
| That didn't feel great. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because also he's like Popeye's in a sailor, man. | ||
| The Navy. | ||
| Yeah, so he's a kid who has giant arms. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then he's like, he kills someone at school and then the town kills him. | ||
| They're like, ah, Frankenstein, pitchforks. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| They come after him and they try to kill him. | ||
| Okay, okay. | ||
| So the kid has monster forearms. | ||
| Big arms. | ||
| Tennis arms. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Smash someone and then the village is like, He doesn't know his strength. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| He's just a Frankenstein's monster. | ||
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He's a boy. | |
| Yeah, they're okay. | ||
| I got you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So then he comes back as a spell? | ||
| Yeah, his parents locked him in a basement and he has a sister named Olive Oil who's also locked in the basement. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| And then the town kills them and then he comes back for revenge. | ||
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Sure. | |
| On these people who have done I guess. | ||
| I mean, yeah, yeah, no, whatever. | ||
| You have you have to do something with your life. | ||
| It's fucking dumb, but I was watching it and I was like, okay, I got a checklist. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I've got to have a pipe. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| No pipe. | ||
| There's a pipe. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He has a pipe. | ||
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Okay. | |
| I'm like, check. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Corncop? | ||
| No. | ||
| There is a can of spinach that makes a brief appearance. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But he doesn't have to eat spinach to be strong. | ||
| So that sucks. | ||
| So they're showing the spinach for the real Popeye heads there. | ||
| It's like an Easter egg for the people who know the Popeye story. | ||
| One of the kills involves him throwing a canister through a window, and it's a spinach can. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Like it's a gas can or something like that, but it's spinach. | ||
| Fucking stupid. | ||
| He doesn't say any, like, I am what I am. | ||
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No. | |
| Or any of that. | ||
| Nothing like that? | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| And there's no Brutus. | ||
| There's no Wimpy. | ||
| It's, uh, Olive Oil was forced. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| As a sister, not a love interest. | ||
| It seems very forced, because that's kind of the idea, is that she's a love interest, but, you know, in that 40s way. | ||
| And I thought, I thought like, this is going to be fun. | ||
| It wasn't. | ||
| It wasn't fun. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| But I think I'm still going to watch the other ones. | ||
| I think I still am going to, but I regret. | ||
| Are they separate or is this the ongoing tale of Popeye the British non sailor boy? | ||
| These are they're all separate. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And I think that's what makes me interested in it. | ||
| The anthology nature of this character being put in a bunch of different situations. | ||
| Well, no, I think okay. | ||
| So, all of them are going for a cheap pop. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Right? | ||
| They're all like, it's legal to make a movie with Popeye. | ||
| That's what we're doing. | ||
| So, all of them are doing that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they're hoping that this shit will just coast on the fact that it's like, it's a horror movie with Popeye in it. | ||
| Isn't that cool? | ||
| You didn't see that coming. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, one hundred percent. | ||
| Except, like, they're not the only ones doing it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, you know, if there were four different Sharknado movies at the same time, yeah. | ||
| you would have to judge them against each other. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, that's true. | ||
| That is the one thing about copyright IP is that it's like there's at least one person or at least one vision behind this thing. | ||
| As opposed to being a bunch of people creating their own visions to fight in a death match. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But more to the point, like, if there was one person who was stealing this IP and getting away with it, then they could just be like, well, it's the Popeye horror movie. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| There's a bunch of them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Now it's like, well, you might not be as good at ripping this off as someone else. | ||
| That would be a real or it would be a hit to the ego if you weren't already doing something that should be a hit to the ego, right? | ||
| Mmhmm. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like, by virtue of making a Popeye book, like, Oh shit, it's in the public domain. | ||
| I gotta make it. | ||
| I gotta make it. | ||
| It's kinda like, well, I'm not creating my own characters. | ||
| No. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's British. | ||
| It's not in the Marines. | ||
| It's in the Navy. | ||
| It's in the world. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, it's called the Navy. | ||
| It's not called the Royal Navy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Popeye would not be, he's not British. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We know one thing. | ||
| He's not British. | ||
| No. | ||
| He's not on the HMS fucking anything. | ||
| He doesn't respect the Queen. | ||
| No, no one should. | ||
| So what's your bright spot? | ||
| My bright spot, I'm going to have to go with tennis. | ||
| Oh boy. | ||
| No, the Cincinnati Open has been weird. | ||
| Is there a Cincinnati Open? | ||
| The Western and Southern Open. | ||
| That feels such a downgrade from some of the other open. | ||
| Do you mean like Monte Carlo? | ||
| Or Madrid or any number of other cities. | ||
| But I'll tell you this, I went there for a year and it's a lot of fun. | ||
| I got to see Serena, I got to see Federer. | ||
| It's really cool. | ||
| It is, of course, tennis in Cincinnati, Ohio, so you get what you get. | ||
| Cincinnati doesn't suck. | ||
| It's not like a terrible city or anything compared to Madrid. | ||
| What are you talking? | ||
| Come on. | ||
| I even like Cincinnati, but not like Madrid. | ||
| Yeah, tennis to me seems like something I associate with some kind of like pretty rich local. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| That's why it's weird. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But yeah, no, it's great been a real kind of weird one. | ||
| The heat is making everybody die naturally. | ||
| Tennis has a long future ahead of us for about five years until climate change ends it forever. | ||
| It will all be endorsed. | ||
| It will all be endorsed. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But yeah. | ||
| And then in the final though, we're getting Alcaraz in center. | ||
| And it's happening again, it's going to happen over and over again. | ||
| It's the two of them versus everyone else in the world. | ||
| How long does that stay interesting for you? | ||
| Forever. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Djokovic and Rafa played like fifty times and the two of them playing was always going to be one of the most amazing things because it is. | ||
| It is only ever possible to play as good as the person you're playing against. | ||
| You know, like if you want to play the best, you have to have a partner who can equal you. | ||
| And so every time they have to try and equal each other and in so doing, they have to create something that hasn't been there before. | ||
| Right. | ||
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And it's just fantastic, true rivalries. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| You can see them a hundred times. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| Absolutely, because you're not, you're, you're like, this person made this great shot in another match and that's cool. | ||
| But in these matches, this person made this great shot and then this person got it back. | ||
| And so they have to then up their game. | ||
| even more in order to make that next shot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right? | ||
| And so that's the level that you're never going to see against anyone else. | ||
| That second, oh, it's great. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I can do it all the time. | ||
| What is Cincinnati, is that like one of the top tier? | ||
| It's an ATP 1000, yeah. | ||
| Like, how many are in that tier? | ||
| I think somewhere in the like 10 to 15 range. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So there's the, there's 250s. | ||
| Those are the lowest levels for your still professional tour. | ||
| Below that is the challenger level. | ||
| That's where you're not in the actual cool kids' table yet. | ||
| That's where it's like CT. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You have to get your points up to get in there. | ||
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there. | |
| Yeah, basically. | ||
| Playing against turbos right there. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Then there's 500 S and then there's a thousand S and then right above that is the majors. | ||
| So yeah, it's pretty cool. | ||
| Ten to 15. | ||
| So there's like Madrid, Monte Carlo, Cincinnati, Dekalb. | ||
| It might be, it might be more like six or seven, but it could be, I don't know, I'm having a weird, I don't even know how many months there are in the year any more. | ||
| I think eight. | ||
| Oh shit, so many. | ||
| Jordan, today we have an episode to go over. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| We're going to be taking a little bit of a jump from where we were and because we have the world is in such a place that we can't dwell forever in Alex. | ||
| I've been watching the Bell forever and Alex's back and forthness on Epstein. | ||
| Although as much fun as it would be to see him try and waffle around and figure out how to play every single breaking ball. | ||
| For weeks. | ||
| We are jumping to July 30. | ||
| And this is a monumental day where Alex has a debate. | ||
| And we'll check in on that here in a second. | ||
| Does ChatGPT have a new model out that we're debating? | ||
| I wish. | ||
| That would be amazing. | ||
| ChatGPT, should I leave Trump? | ||
| Does he love me? | ||
| Yes and no. | ||
| ChatGPT, what is love? | ||
| So we'll get down to this, but first let's take a little moment to say hello to some new womps. | ||
| That's a great idea. | ||
| So first, mr splat mark RJ. | ||
| Some call it globalism, I call it sling blade. | ||
| Thank you so much, you're an owl, Pollywonk. | ||
| I'm a policy womp. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| Thank you, next winner big ding dong adult. | ||
| Thank you so much, you're an owl, Pollywonk. | ||
| I'm a policy womp. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| And foxle, as in pixel or voxel, not like the Spanish he the. | ||
| Thank you so much, you're an owl, Pollywonk. | ||
| I'm a policy womp. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| And we get a technical credit in the mixture. | ||
| So thank you so much to. | ||
| You're now a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Four stars. | ||
| Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. | ||
| Someone, someone, Sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. | ||
| Daddy Sharp. | ||
| Bump, bump, bump, bump, bump. | ||
| Jar Jar Binksh has a Caribbean black accent. | ||
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He's a loser little, little titty baby. | |
| I don't want to hate black people. | ||
| I renounce Jesus Christ. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| Yes, thank you very much. | ||
| So last we left off, Alex was he had made it pretty clear that there wasn't really much that was going to shake him from supporting Trump. | ||
| He doesn't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater. | ||
| Can't. | ||
| He'll throw it whenever he needs it, although that F will have no consequences or meaning whatsoever to it. | ||
| No, he's gonna get a participation trophy for President Day. | ||
| 100% of the time. | ||
| And that's good enough and that's criticism. | ||
| So we experienced a good ten days of Alex trying to figure out what he was gonna do, how he was gonna thread this needle. | ||
| Trump called him stupid. | ||
| Trump called everyone who he's I don't want your support anymore, you fucking idiots who care about Epstein. | ||
| And Alex was able to get past that. | ||
| So it seems like just a little blow up, just a little dust up, you know. | ||
| Yeah, he was a little mad. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Since this point, things have deteriorated even more. | ||
| I can't believe that. | ||
| We have such things happening as Ghislaine Maxwell is talking with the Department of Justice. | ||
| She's been transferred to a minimum security prison. | ||
| Well, she's a good person. | ||
| Against the wishes of Epstein victims' families. | ||
| There were no victims' families, I believe, if I recall the FBI correctly. | ||
| It's well, I don't know if they said there were no victims, but there was no actionable things for them to do or something like that. | ||
| But either way, she is. | ||
| is dangerously close to a pardon. | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
| And that's pretty tough. | ||
| Simultaneously, Trump has come out and said that he stopped hanging out with Epstein because he stole Virginia Gaffrey from him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He phrased it incredibly poorly. | ||
| No, it's great. | ||
| That's what you want to hear from the sitting president. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He phrased it in a way that her family was a bit shocked and dismayed by the idea that the president was aware that their child was stolen. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So everything's bad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Alex is trying to stay above water. | ||
| And there is one person who's delighting in all this, and that is the person that Alex has unfortunately made too good friends with. | ||
| Oh, God, it's Fuentes, isn't it? | ||
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Oh, it is. | |
| Oh, my God. | ||
| So on the 30th, in the evening, Alex sits down for a special debate with Nick about what do we do? | ||
| What do we do? | ||
| Actually, you know what? | ||
| That's a fair, that's a fair debate. | ||
| I would actually be much more fine with more debates if they were just like, what the fuck is happening? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, yeah. | ||
| Alex has a situation where Nick has this fuck Trump attitude. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Alex kind of wishes he could get there. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But also can't. | ||
| So the two of them are going to have a little conversation where they hash out all the beats of what to do. | ||
| This is the most like Nazi version of it's fine to be a punk whenever you're young, but I have kids at home to feed, so I can't do all this stuff. | ||
| But also you're Nazis. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And also I really want to do all that punk stuff. | ||
| I really want to be a cooler Nazi. | ||
| Oh, also I forgot the other thing that has happened is that the Wall Street Journal published a letter that Trump allegedly wrote to Epstein, which was a little drawing of a naked lady. | ||
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Yep. | |
| And the pubes were his signature. | ||
| Yep, yep, yep, yep. | ||
| And did you, did you actually read the contents of that note? | ||
| I did not read the contents of that note. | ||
| You didn't? | ||
| No. | ||
| Listen, what am I going to do with it? | ||
| I'm already, I'm already sold. | ||
| Like once you, once you've sold me, you can stop selling me. | ||
| I was way past Trump was a pedophile a long time ago. | ||
| There's no amount of words that are going to make that even better or worse. | ||
| Okay, so I'm going to read this to you. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| Because I think you need to confront this. | ||
| Okay, fine. | ||
| So it's written as a dialogue. | ||
| The note The note. | ||
| That's for Epstein's fiftieth birthday. | ||
| The note written by the president allegedly. | ||
| We have to say allegedly because he did sue the Wall Street Journal for publishing this. | ||
| Oh God, so All right, let's do it. | ||
| Voice over. | ||
| There must be more to life than having anything. | ||
| Everything. | ||
| Donald, yes there is, but I won't tell you what it is. | ||
| Geoffrey, nor will I, since I also know what it is. | ||
| Donald, we have certain things in common, Geoffrey. | ||
| Geoffrey, yes we do, come to think of it. | ||
| Donald, enigmas never age. | ||
| Have you noticed that? | ||
| Jeffrey, as a matter of fact, it was clear to me the last time I saw you. | ||
| Donald, a pal is a wonderful thing. | ||
| Happy birthday and may every day be another wonderful secret. | ||
| So yeah, it's a little suspicious. | ||
| That is it's okay, weird. | ||
| That is a note that could only be written by somebody who is a fictional globalist in Alex Jones' worldview twenty years ago. | ||
| That note doesn't exist in the real world, so I assume that we have been transported into some sort of last action hero version of reality where everything is an amplified version because that cannot be real. | ||
| It's one of the weirder things that's ever ever been published. | ||
| And they've stood by their reporting. | ||
| Of course they have. | ||
| What else are you going to do? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Look at it. | ||
| And so, you know, if real, that's one of the most fucked up things. | ||
| It's all the more believable because of how bad and stupid it is. | ||
| You would have to be an insane person to write that. | ||
| You couldn't fake it because that's in that's that's so specifically insane. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You cannot fake that. | ||
| I couldn't. | ||
| A million monkeys writing a million typewriters. | ||
| We'd get to Shakespeare, but not that shit. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
| People have said that, you know, there's some great scripts out there that have been written. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They capture something. | ||
| Yeah, this is very Czechovian, I would say. | ||
| Impossible. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Alex is in, you know, these are the things that are swirling in the background. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That people are talking about and Alex is like, ah, fuck it. | ||
| Ah, shit. | ||
| So why not have Little Baby Nazi come in to Now's the time. | ||
| Look right. | ||
| So Alex starts off and the position that he's coming into this with is like, ah, jury's out on Trump. | ||
| I don't know about it. | ||
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23, 24 days ago, Trump put out that Justice Department memo. | |
| I said, Trump's behind it. | ||
| People said, Oh, you're attacking Trump. | ||
| And then he came out later and said, No, it's me. | ||
| Don't ask questions. | ||
| Shut up about it. | ||
| I said, This is incredibly suspicious. | ||
| And now they're running around with the Justice Department meeting with Giselle Maxwell. | ||
| It looks bad. | ||
| But people take what I've said out of context when I'm wargaming this because I think they would have used information against Trump if they had it before. | ||
| But that said, now the jury is out on Trump. | ||
| The jury is in on the Democrats and Epstein Island and Bill Gates and Larry Summers and all the rest of it. | ||
| So I'm not an apologist for Trump. | ||
| All I get is persecuted and attacked for supporting President Trump. | ||
| And I've seen clips of Nick. | ||
| I played it earlier before he came on. | ||
| And I'm not saying it's a wrong criticism, but out of context, you could see it. | ||
| No, I'm looking for the truth. | ||
| And my issue is, do we throw out Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Tulsi Cabot and all the good things that are happening? | ||
| If stuff comes out that he's screwing kids with Trump, of course, I'm going to expose it. | ||
| I mean, I'm not tied to that wagon. | ||
| But in the larger issue, is the Epstein issue, the only issue, and it's not like Nick Fuentes just came out and said, I'm against Trump now. | ||
| He said it a year and a half ago. | ||
| He was a big supporter early on. | ||
| So I met him nine years ago. | ||
| I think Nick is a smart guy and agree with most of the things he says. | ||
| Disagree with Trump. | ||
| So we are having a large discussion. | ||
| You call it a debate here, but I want to be one hundred percent clear. | ||
| I will go where the facts lead. | ||
| I'm not an apologist for Trump. | ||
| But at the same time, we need to recognize that the Democrats and the ADL and the Republicans joining him do not want this discussion. | ||
| They do not want Jay Fuentes on Rumble. | ||
| They do not want Alex Jones on X or InfoWars. | ||
| They don't like this tonight because they don't want you to hear a real unfiltered discussion. | ||
| So the fact of the matter is that Alex can say he's not an apologist for Trump, but the framing of this conversation, in itself, is apologetic to Trump. | ||
| He fundamentally can't get away from this. | ||
| Like, do we the conversation is, do we give Trump a pass? | ||
| Do we allow him to hold on to power because it's better for us, even though this very obvious shit is disqualified? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Craven? | ||
| No Craven. | ||
| Which side are you on? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that to like is, there is no option within there that is like, let's deal with this as it is. | ||
| I mean, it is, it's one of the more annoying things that I think people of Alex's like do, of the like, I'm not this guy, but for the time being in this situation, I'm going to be this guy. | ||
| But I want you to know that that doesn't make me that guy. | ||
| It just means that as long as we're in this situation, the situation that if I were that guy, this guy would be doing what I'm doing. | ||
| Thus, I would be that guy in this situation, but I'm not that guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I'm only being that guy in a war gaming context. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Now, if it works, I'm going to keep being that guy. | ||
| I mean, I'm going to keep being that guy, but that's only because it works. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Now, if it doesn't work, I'm going to disown that position and claim I was just war gaming. | ||
| I was never that guy. | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| Crazy? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| It's so manipulative and shitty. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So Nick comes on, and he has a completely different position from Alex. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Alex is like, we need to have a discussion. | ||
| Do we throw Trump out with the bathwater? | ||
| And Nick's like, why are we even talking about this? | ||
| Nothing matters if Trump is doing this. | ||
| Now, that gets to my biggest criticism of Trump. | ||
| And you know, he said this a moment a moment ago, and I understand where you're coming from. | ||
| You say, are there other issues besides the Epstein issue? | ||
| I've heard a lot of people say this. | ||
| They say that for the MAGA base, which I consider myself a part of, even though I didn't vote for Trump, I'm the demographic. | ||
| If the MAGA base is in revolt over the Epstein files, people say, are you throwing out the baby with the bath water? | ||
| What about the secure border? | ||
| What about the progress that's being made, as you say, by RFK Jr., by Tulsi Gabbard, the good things that are happening at the administration. | ||
| Is it worth it? | ||
| In other words, people say if he's failing on one narrow issue like Epstein, which people say realistically doesn't actually affect people's daily lives, they say, is that a mistake? | ||
| Now my position is that you can't compartmentalize these issues contrary to that take or that defense. | ||
| I don't think you're capable. | ||
| I don't think it's possible to separate and cordon off the Epstein issue and say that's over here and immigration and foreign policy and the rest of it is over there because the proposition of the first Trump campaign going back ten years ago in 2016 or even in 2015 when Trump ran in the primary, | ||
| he said that the reason that our politicians had failed us over thirty years on both sides, Republican side, Democrat side, the right and the left., he said, is not for lack of trying, not for lack of will. | ||
| He said it's because the system has failed us. | ||
| It's because of corruption. | ||
| They can't deliver a real victory because they're not beholden to the people. | ||
| Instead, they're beholden to foreign interests, special interests, donors, political packs, and there was a suggestion of blackmail. | ||
| There's a suggestion of a shadow operation happening behind the scenes. | ||
| So Nick is basically explaining to Alex why, like, hey, this is why this issue is supposed to matter to us. | ||
| There is the emotional visceral disgust.ust at these crimes. | ||
| Yes, that's absolutely true. | ||
| But then there's also the whole thing that we've built up that is, if this system exists, it's being used to control and manipulate power. | ||
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Right. | |
| And now Trump has signaled that he is fine with being a part of that or covering that up. | ||
| Right. | ||
| We were having a great time whenever we thought that it was fun to just talk about stuff like this happening. | ||
| Now this is happening and it's our guy. | ||
| So it makes us feel real fucking dumb. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Real dumb. | ||
| And that's where Nick has this freedom of like, he's not my guy. | ||
| No. | ||
| I've always wanted someone way worse than him. | ||
| I have always wanted someone way worse than him. | ||
| This guy is too fucking flip-flopy to be Hitler. | ||
| Hitler didn't change his mind. | ||
| Final solution. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so I think that this is a really tough position for Alex to try and deal with because he's cutting to the core of like, what does the Epstein situation mean? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What is the importance of this? | ||
| And Trump's acting in a way that is violating why we care. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| As opposed to it just being a superficial thing. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And because of that, you can't just cordon it off and be like, he's bad. | ||
| here, he's good here. | ||
| It's all bad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, it's it's it's already more interesting out of the gate, simply because in general, most of these debates and most all debates in general, end with two people talking about a thing but never actually addressing the thing. | ||
| And then going off in different areas so they don't actually have to address the thing. | ||
| This is very clearly like, there's only one thing. | ||
| Either this is or isn't. | ||
| We've run out of everything else. | ||
| So now let's try reality. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it sucks that this like Nazi asshole is the person who's being that voice on Alex's show the position that Alex has put himself in. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Where he has to look like a real idiot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Next to a horrible person. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It is not because of Nick Fuentes' positive traits that this is happening. | ||
| It is entirely because of Alex's negative traits that this is occurring. | ||
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| There is no need to worry about giving it up to the Somali pirates in this regard. | ||
| Yeah, we're fine. | ||
| It's a bind that is kind of a necessary or an inevitable thing with this kind of media space. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| So Nick, one of the other things too is that he is not uncomfortabletable with taking Alex's points. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| While I don't think it works the other direction. | ||
| So like Alex's only real argument for keeping Trump and looking beyond the Epstein stuff is like all the other stuff that's happening, you know, like border stuff. | ||
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Sure. | |
| And Nick, Nick is fine being like, no, that stuff's not good to answer. | ||
| Maybe the big defense of Trump and I agree with you. | ||
| We have to steal man the other position. | ||
| We may not even agree with it. | ||
| We might stay it, state it simply to entertain it. | ||
| If the pro Trump side is saying, if their argument is, well, don't throw the babyaby out with the bathwater. | ||
| The Epstein thing is a narrow singular issue. | ||
| If that's the primary defense, I would have to say it's not good enough because if he's named in these files, then everything is compromised. | ||
| Everything is touched and poisoned by the corruption. | ||
| And when this cover up is going on, unfortunately, we cannot assume that he is not touched by it. | ||
| We actually have to draw a negative inference. | ||
| That's sort of the whole point. | ||
| And I like you. | ||
| I actually don't believe that Trump is necessarily guilty. | ||
| I think that's an assumption. | ||
| I think that's an inference. | ||
| I don't even think it's necessarily true that Trump was on the island or that Trump was raping kids or that there's a videotape of Trump. | ||
| I don't think that's even likely. | ||
| But when he has covered it up in the way that he has and as he's dug this hole deeper and deeper, having the DOJ cover it up, asking the FBI to look for his name, they told him his name was in there. | ||
| Now he says his name was planted in there. | ||
| He says the whole thing is a hoax, you actually have to draw a negative inference and assume if he's covering it up, there must be something there. | ||
| If there wasn't something there, they would release the files. | ||
| And so that's why I think this whole thing has disqualified him completely. | ||
| I don't think it's one narrow issue, a singular issue among others. | ||
| And even if it were, it's not a minimal issue. | ||
| I think it touches everything. | ||
| So I mean, there's almost just a sense of like, don't be stupid that he's Yeah. | ||
| And not in so few words, but that's kind of like, why the fuck would this be happening? | ||
| If we, you know, a negative inference is required at this point. | ||
| He called you stupid. | ||
| You are stupid. | ||
| You are stupid because he called you that and now you're behaving that way. | ||
| There's no other way to describe it. | ||
| So I feel like he's Nick's already essentially dispensed with the best weapons that Alex has. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which is like the don't throw the baby out with the bath water. | ||
| We're getting some good things. | ||
| RFK's good, Holman's good. | ||
| If it were not for them, it could be someone worse, yada, yada, yada. | ||
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Right. | |
| We've already been there. | ||
| And Nick has essentially disarmed all that. | ||
| We've been doing this for twenty years. | ||
| We're past it. | ||
| And now Nick goes on the offensive, even just in his opening, like Volley, and is just like, and also Trump sucks. | ||
| And to your point about what comes next, because that's a very good question. | ||
| A lot of people wonder if Trump is failing or that's the perception on many of these issues, like the foreign policy, like immigration, like the Epstein cover up. | ||
| Question is, well, what comes next? | ||
| Are we supposed to just be buried under Zoran Mandani's and Kamala Harris's and race communists and Sharia law and this sort of thing? | ||
| What I'm at the same time is this simple adage, when you come at the king, you can't miss. | ||
| And what does that mean? | ||
| Obviously, we all understand what that means, it means that when you come for the king, you have to finish the job. | ||
| You can't take half measures. | ||
| It's actually worse to take a half measure because if you come at the king and you miss, all you do is make the king mad and the king has an army and the king has power. | ||
| So if Trump and when I say the king, of course I'm not. | ||
| even referring to Trump. | ||
| I'm referring to this left wing political system. | ||
| Is that it? | ||
| If Trump has been coming at the king for ten years with this 16-year campaign, with January 6, with the revenge campaign in 2024, if that is a ten year campaign going after the king and he's missing over and over failing to purge the bureaucracy, | ||
| failing to implement Project 2025, failing to fire 50,000 employees, have the mass deportations, if it's this slow, if it's so unambitious, if he's already compromising and walking back and people having to come up with defenses for it, well, what are we doing? | ||
| All we're doing is pissing off the people that really run the world. | ||
| And if you miss, they get the next reply and they're going to come after all of us hard. | ||
| Trump, you, me, the supporters, the people in the administration. | ||
| We learned that the hard way after January 6. | ||
| So now Nick has put Alex in a position where he needs to be like, well, the deportations are good enough or something. | ||
| Alex has to play that like, well, it's good enough. | ||
| And Nick be like, no, it's not. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Trump is ineffective. | ||
| He's not doing the things that we all wanted him to do. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that puts Alex in a. | ||
| just fundamentally weak position. | ||
| Yeah, no, I this is fascinating. | ||
| I find this very fascinating because, first of all, what Nick Fuentes has described is a fiction that I would never have imagined. | ||
| Like the complete rewriting of who Trump is, like, that's crazy. | ||
| If you think if you think any of those things were ever happening, that's crazy. | ||
| Like, this is crazy. | ||
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Do you believe, like, I'm wondering if this is in the campaign? | |
| Yeah, I wonder if he actually believes anything of what he's saying or if he's trying to say the things that he thinks Alex is, Alex believes, and that way we can have a communication in there. | ||
| Like, I'm going to step into your world. | ||
| I think it's a also a little bit of sort of authoritarian myth building. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, like Trump has waged this campaign and even that wasn't good enough. | ||
| And so therefore we must have Hitler. | ||
| It's like, man, what a fucking lunatic, if you see the world with that point of view, that I'm flabbergasted. | ||
| That's what the word flabbergasted was invented for, finding a worldview like that wherein Donald Trump has been cruciating on your behalf. | ||
| Well, I think it's probably the most effective way that someone in Nick's position can use Trump. | ||
| Yeah, I would say so, yeah, as a, as a, as a crusader. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Yeah, and as a failed, uh, sort of, uh, like, uh, extreme ish option. | ||
| Too weak. | ||
| Too nearly extreme. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And it's also a way, like you're saying, to bridge the gap between people who are Trump fans and get them to lean a little bit closer to, you know, what Nick is offering. | ||
| It's, it's kind of like a, uh, a way to not humiliate the people you want to recruit. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, it's just, it's just so wild because I, I get what he's saying. | ||
| You say it, but like you understand that he was in the Yeah. | ||
| So the two of these guys could not come out different, more different. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Nick seems like a sharp guy who's willing to confront difficult questions. | ||
| He's ready for all. | ||
| He's ready for blood, and Alex sounds kind of like an old drunk. | ||
| And for the purpose of this debate or conversation, we could dispense with the rhetoric and just talk in practical terms. | ||
| Where do we go from here? | ||
| Because, like you said, we're very short on answers, and it's left us with a lot of questions. | ||
| So that's kind of where I'm at. | ||
| That's powerful ten minutes, Nick. | ||
| And I agree with everything you said. | ||
| So I'm in full harror. | ||
| They will indict me for sure if they get back in. | ||
| I want Trump to be successful. | ||
| And then I watched him 24 days ago literally come out and say through that memo, Don't investigate. | ||
| He killed himself. | ||
| It wasn't human trafficking, though his co conspirators are in jail for it. | ||
| And then they said, I got attacked by all the MAGA influencers saying, You're a traitor. | ||
| And then Trump comes two days later, Yeah, I'm behind it, shut it down. | ||
| So I'm in full harror mode. | ||
| Let me ask you this question. | ||
| So I'm not going to spend ten minutes countering back here. | ||
| I really want to hear what you have to say. | ||
| How could Trump, even he was raping kids, which he said there's some evidence of that? | ||
| It's obviously the CIA, Mossadis made a deal. | ||
| That's what I've been told by the White House. | ||
| They're like, hey, we have to make a deal. | ||
| It's national security. | ||
| I'm just telling you folks, that's what it is. | ||
| At least that's what they told me. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| Why then would they bring attention to it and behave like this? | ||
| Well, he's 79. | ||
| He has been in nine years basically as president. | ||
| I couldn't handle it. | ||
| It's a 51. | ||
| And the truth is, is that Trump doesn't give up. | ||
| He doesn't break down, but he cracks up. | ||
| Okay, so this is kind of apology for Trump, you know, like this is kind of apology. | ||
| Do you mean, do you mean like whenever you say, ah, I accuse this man of doing this thing and then I say, I'm sorry. | ||
| He is sometimes very stubborn. | ||
| I'm sorry, he's very old. | ||
| I'm sorry, I understand that your criticisms are accurate. | ||
| I am apologizing on his behalf, giving you an excuse or reason that doesn't actually address your criticism at all. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And leads you away from the obvious conclusion. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That Nick is clearly pointing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That sounds like what an apologist would do. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I think that there's such a vibe here. | ||
| I don't know if Alex and his old buddy Tito have reunited. | ||
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No. | |
| Or if it's just in the evening and Alex is tired. | ||
| Could be. | ||
| I'm not, I'm not totally sure. | ||
| But the vibe that you get is Nick being like, let's cut through the rhetoric, no bullshit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Let's just talk about what we can do moving forward for the authoritarian fascist movement that we obviously both support. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And Alex is like, how could Trump do this to me? | ||
| Right. | ||
| He sounds like a guy who's been broken up with who's drunk. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Trying to commiserate with Nick about like, why didn't Trump love me enough? | ||
| It is literally just sitting here being like, listen, Yeller's going out bad back. | ||
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But I love old yell, old yell, he's so good. | |
| He's he's not even feeling good. | ||
| He's not feeling good. | ||
| We have to do the right thing. | ||
| I'm taking Yellow out back. | ||
| Come on, you don't want to take him out back. | ||
| But it sucks when it's the kid convincing the dad. | ||
| I know, I know, like this is drunk dad being like, nah, it's fine. | ||
| Yeah, the story is supposed to go the other way. | ||
| Very much so. | ||
| So Nick talks about this point that Alex has made, this cracking up. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And I think it's fascinating, this framework. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| If Trump is failing us, if he's failing as a guy, and I agree with you., there's some sympathy with it. | ||
| You don't say it to be mean. | ||
| You don't say it even necessarily to be critical, but just descriptively, this is an old man. | ||
| He has been fighting for a long time. | ||
| He is tired. | ||
| And you can see that he can't handle it. | ||
| You can see that it's a crack up, that he can't handle these questions. | ||
| And you watch these press conferences, these interviews, it's extraordinary the way he keeps digging, the way he gets asked about it and puts his foot in his mouth with this sort of, oh, well, we need to just stop thinking about that. | ||
| And it's a democrat hoax. | ||
| And you say, how is it even possible that he's fumbling this, so much so that people are saying, maybe it's calculated, because it is not possible to mess it up this bad. | ||
| See, this is why I find this really interesting is like, why is he fumbling this so bad? | ||
| Why does he keep digging his heels in? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is what Trump does with everything. | ||
| Every single thing, what are you fucking talking about? | ||
| Since he's appeared in life, this is him. | ||
| Yeah, there is no cracking up. | ||
| There's not like, this isn't different in any way. | ||
| The only thing that's different is he has found one issue that this media space doesn't want to go along with. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| All the other times, every other example that they can come up with of like, times where like that Trump didn't act like this. | ||
| He was he acted the same way about Russia, about Stormy Daniels, about all these other things. | ||
| It's just that the You guys thought it was fun. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You wanted to play. | ||
| You don't want to play this time. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It was a lot of fun whenever he was making fun of a journalist with physical ailments. | ||
| But it's not fun now whenever he's making us feel like we're complice in the raping of children. | ||
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| Well, that's no fun. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So there's like an inability to recognize that, like, this is what this guy does. | ||
| This is in line with his past behavior. | ||
| Well, I mean, if you if you acknowledge it for one second that this is his MO, then it works retroactively. | ||
| Then you have to go back and go, oh fuck, oh shit, oh fuck, fuck, I'm an idiot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, yeah. | ||
| It unravels a ton. | ||
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| It's more convenient to just be like, you know, it's ironic because Nick is saying, you know, like, you can't compartmentalize this, if Trump's covering this up, it touches all of these other things. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And meanwhile, he's trying to compartmentalize this in terms of like Trump's response being somehow different. | ||
| I mean, whenever you get to the place where someone says something along the lines of like, it has to be calculated because there's no way someone could could do this. | ||
| It's they actually saying this. | ||
| If they're smart, I'm smart. | ||
| If they're dumb, I'm dumb. | ||
| And I don't want to be dumb. | ||
| No. | ||
| So they have to be smart. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So this dumb thing can't be dumb, otherwise I'm dumb. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Nick has a position that I think Alex doesn't like to hear, and that is that there's no way to fix this with personnel changes. | ||
| Can we get a new running back? | ||
| Yeah, you're not going to be able to get anything because like it's basically exactly what we wanted and it still sucks. | ||
| And he's totally exuberant has this like God complex situation. | ||
| And so we're kind of strapped in for the next three years. | ||
| And I would say eight years ago, what I would have said, what is our course of action? | ||
| I would have said, we have to fight for the personnel. | ||
| We have to get a new chief of staff. | ||
| We have to get Suzy Wiles out. | ||
| We have to get control of the White House, wrest control of it from the bad personnel, get the good advisors in. | ||
| But we did that already. | ||
| And even now, I don't think it's possible. | ||
| I think that this is just how it's been the whole time. | ||
| And Trump, if he knows he knows how to get in touch with you. | ||
| He knows how to get in touch with all these people that are critical. | ||
| He won't do it. | ||
| And by the way, the people that are at the FBI, it's Cash Patel, it's Dan Bongino, it's Tulsi Gabbard, RFK Jr., Elon Musk was on the team. | ||
| So you would say, who would he call to get him out of the mess? | ||
| Who would be the Dream Team personnel that could steer the ship away from the rocks? | ||
| Well, they're already kind of there. | ||
| I mean, what could we have better? | ||
| You know, if we're thinking about MAGA personnel that you could plug in that could solve the problem that represents the base, could you do much better than Cash Patel and Dan Bongino? | ||
| Could you do much better than Vivek? | ||
| And not to say that these are the best people ever, but these are pretty mag MAGA people. | ||
| These are pretty outside the system people to bring in. | ||
| So you want to think. | ||
| And I want to, like, I just have to say this. | ||
| I got a bunch of calls the last three weeks. | ||
| And the calls go like this. | ||
| What do you want? | ||
| And I've never asked for anything. | ||
| What I want is good policy. | ||
| I always want to be the outsider. | ||
| And I'm just like, what do I want? | ||
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Heads. | |
| We want heads. | ||
| I want Make America Great Again. | ||
| I want America First. | ||
| So there's a real understanding in this administration that we're it. | ||
| We're in charge. | ||
| This is the way it is. | ||
| And the fact that I get these callss like the top of the administration, and they're just cutting, they're cutting drive. | ||
| What do you want? | ||
| And I'm just like, uh huh. | ||
| If you're Nick, you're just going to be sitting there like, sure you do, man. | ||
| What is, what is happening? | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| Go to bed. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So what are we doing now? | ||
| I was telling you about something, but now you're just Nick was making a very good point. | ||
| That is, who are you going to replace with someone better or someone weirder? | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's impossible. | ||
| You've already got all these fucking people who have been in these places. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And Alex is like, the White House does call me. | ||
| None of it is real. | ||
| The White House calls me and they say, What do you want? | ||
| And the implication of the White House calling him and saying, What do you want? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's kind of like they're saying, Hey, what's going to take to shut you up? | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| Thus making a quiet backroom deal with the media. | ||
| It feels like you're getting positive coverage despite reality. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I feel like that is actually worse. | ||
| That makes things look worse. | ||
| It doesn't make things look good. | ||
| No. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Alex is like, he's in a position where he's like, I I have to run. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, that's an acceptable response. | ||
| I'll take that. | ||
| I have to run away. | ||
| I'll take it. | ||
| South America's calling. | ||
| Yes, go. | ||
| He's negotiating with Russia and China and North Korea and Iran. | ||
| And just a week ago had a meeting with Zelensky and said, Maybe we'll give you heavy bombs to bomb Moscow. | ||
| And now they may throw Zelensky. | ||
| So you get this idea that it's like this swirling, crazy town. | ||
| And you have last week the CI director at that meeting they had, that cabinet meeting and Ratcliffe. | ||
| literally leans back and goes, Turtles are like demonizing out in the media, and I'm just like, I'm literally looking at places to run to in the southern hemisphere for nuclear war. | ||
| And I'm not the kind of guy that runs. | ||
| My instincts are, run, run. | ||
| And the Democrats want to defeat Trump, and the Democrats want to rape our kids, and I know they're bad. | ||
| And then you got all this crazy Trump delusion, and I smell death. | ||
| And so you're up in Chicago, I'm in Austin, big cities. | ||
| This is real world stuff. | ||
| So at this point, I just want listeners of yours to know. | ||
| Let me ask you this thing. | ||
| Comment to just the Armageddon flavor of this, but then larger issue, is there any way to extricate Trump? | ||
| Is there any path in your view out of this? | ||
| Do you use a meltdap? | ||
| Do you use a meltdap? | ||
| Can we save Trump? | ||
| He keeps asking him like over and over again, can we keep Trump? | ||
| Is there a way out of this? | ||
| It can't be clearer. | ||
| If all three of us are standing on a cliff top, it is your and my responsibility to push him off that cliff. | ||
| That's what Nick is saying. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And Alex is like, I kind of want to hold on to it. | ||
| Hey, hold on to no, no, remember all the things you don't remember all the things you're saying. | ||
| I can be quiet. | ||
| I can be dead silent. | ||
| Remember all those things you're saying. | ||
| That's why we're pushing him off. | ||
| He is precious to me though. | ||
| I understand all those things but that actually including that. | ||
| That also includes why we should push him off. | ||
| He's too precious to you. | ||
| He Alex asks Nick that probably twenty times in the interview because it's clearly the conversation that Alex wants to have. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, is there a path? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And every time Nick is like, no. | ||
| I mean, it's it's metaphorically essentially like, well, can't I keep doing what I I'm doing? | ||
| No, no, no, you can't. | ||
| You change or die. | ||
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| Yeah, we have identified a fundamental problem. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Can I act like we haven't? | ||
| No. | ||
| So yeah, Alex desperately wants to keep Trump and keep things as they are because there's a lot of proximity to power built into that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But Nick's, Nick's coming in, he's just like, it's time to think about the future. | ||
| What's next? | ||
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| What do we want after Trump? | ||
| Because when he leaves office and most likely pardons himself, you and I will still be here picking up the pieces. | ||
| And even to the extent that we criticize Trump or have criticized Trump, it will make no difference when the left persecutes us. | ||
| So even though I didn't vote for him, even though you've been fair and objective and critical, it will make no difference when the Democrats come in and clap back on all of us on the entire right wing and we will not get a presidential pardon. | ||
| So we'll be sweeping up after him one way or the other. | ||
| We have to start thinking, what is our lives? | ||
| What is our political movement? | ||
| What is MAGA, the populist America First movement? | ||
| What will it be when Trump sunsets? | ||
| And I think he's already in a meaningful way sunset it. | ||
| There's just nothing new there. | ||
| It's not dynamic. | ||
| It's not dynamic, it's not progressive, it's not forward thinking. | ||
| It's just kind of static and waiting to be resolved, waiting for him to exit stage left. | ||
| We have to start thinking in 2028, what is the next phase? | ||
| What is the next booster rocket after Trump decouples? | ||
| What will that be? | ||
| So let's go back to what I'm saying. | ||
| What is the next phase because Trump did not defend freedom of speech when I got taken off and you got taken off and everything. | ||
| Elon, because I only give credit where Sue is the champion of that. | ||
| They ran him off, Susie Wallace didn't like him. | ||
| But we're all living under that umbrella. | ||
| Trump wouldn't have gotten in without Elon in my view. | ||
| What is your view on that? | ||
| And so what is the Elon wild card there? | ||
| Well, what is interesting about Elon is introducing this America Party. | ||
| I'm actually interested to see where that goes. | ||
| So Alex, it's kind of like, can we just transfer this to Elon? | ||
| Can we just do that? | ||
| Maybe we can just pretend that Elon is Trump, man. | ||
| And Nick's take on it is not as cut and dry as the end of that clip might make it seem. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He thinks that Elon has some good potential as a guy who likes white people. | ||
| Right. | ||
| A lot. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But also he's essentially an oligarch. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Is he going to be any different? | ||
| Probably not. | ||
| I mean, yeah, your option is like, can we love bomb an oligarch into doing more whiteness stuff? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But eventually we'll run out of the same things to talk about and he'll be like, I was on Epstein Island too and we're right back where we started. | ||
| It's not a long term solution, but it might be a band-aid. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It might be a little bit of a way to pivot over into the actual next leader. | ||
| We'll see. | ||
| So I think that Alex, you can tell is like, this sucks. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He fucking hates it. | ||
| He's been drinking again. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| He might just be really tired. | ||
| He could be. | ||
| Preserving judgment. | ||
| This feels very similar to the way that we have heard him speak in our previous episodes wherein he had indulged. | ||
| Yes, that is true. | ||
| There is a There is a flavor. | ||
| There is a similarity, yeah. | ||
| But I'm not convinced just yet. | ||
| I want to see some hatchets. | ||
| I get you. | ||
| I'm, hey, I'm on your team. | ||
| But he's bummed out and like this is the worst. | ||
| Nick, on the other hand, is trying to explain to him, Buddy, this is good. | ||
| This is the best day of our lives. | ||
| We can get people so much further to the right. | ||
| If we just play our cards right here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| With Trump disintegrating, it's actually presenting a real opportunity, especially in the way that he's disintegrating. | ||
| So wait, are you an acceleration?ist or what do you say? | ||
| I don't know that I'm an accelerationist. | ||
| I'm not rooting for the country to break apart, but I do believe that Trump occupying this seat is holding back something more right wing. | ||
| I think that Trump is, I'm maybe a political accelerationist. | ||
| And what I mean by that is I don't want the worst case scenario to happen for America to collapse so that then I'm not an accelerationist in that way. | ||
| But in terms of the GOP, you want to wake up. | ||
| You want to have the wake up call. | ||
| Yeah, I think the controlled opposition needs to be defeated. | ||
| We need to accelerate the political controlled opposition. | ||
| So let's look at it this way. | ||
| Why do they want you off the air? | ||
| Let's just say it. | ||
| The NEO runs it. | ||
| Let's see. | ||
| Why do they what are they afraid of? | ||
| We're not trying to bring ourselves into this, folks. | ||
| We're not Hunter S. Thompson, but it's true. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Why do they want you off the air? | ||
| Why do they want me off the air? | ||
| What are we doing that the power structure fears? | ||
| Well, what they don't like about you is that you are an independent media outlet. | ||
| You have too big of a studio, too big of an operation, too big of an audience. | ||
| They want to control that. | ||
| I think with me, I never had an operation as big as yours. | ||
| We got into it at different times and different circumstances and things like that. | ||
| I think what they fear about me, and I've seen it even on TikTok the other day, there was like this liberal kid and he goes, the left is not talking about the rise of Nick Fuentes and that's a problem. | ||
| The left is starting to like Nick Fuentes because he criticizes Trump. | ||
| I know, and I hate saying my own name. | ||
| I think it sounds like narcissistic, but what they fear about me is that what I am proposing is a novel and truly reactionary alternative to what we get even from the GOP. | ||
| You know, in 16 they used to say, and maybe you remember this, but in 15 and 16 they would say they hated Ted Cruz more than Trump because they said. | ||
| Ted Cruz was a true believer. | ||
| He's a true radical, a true Now, I don't think that's true, but there is this premise that they never feared Trump as much because they recognized that Trump was a deal maker, would make concessions. | ||
| They recognized that Trump was not an ideologue. | ||
| He really was a demagogue the whole time by definition. | ||
| Whereas me, my movement being very young, being very fanatical and being very radical, we do represent a threat in the sense that when all of these fake ideologies disintegrate, what will be the strongest ship? | ||
| What will be the Noah's Ark? | ||
| Well, that's why. | ||
| the NSA and Documentsman and Leaks, they fear anyone they don't control if you get a group together. | ||
| So they feel leaders, period. | ||
| So let me ask you this. | ||
| What is your prediction? | ||
| I know it's all dead reckoning for Trump. | ||
| What is the best scenario? | ||
| What would you do to try to because he's here for three and a half years. | ||
| What is the best path out of this? | ||
| How do we save Trump? | ||
| I have to ask you again. | ||
| What is the best path? | ||
| I have to ask you again. | ||
| It's de here for another three and a half years. | ||
| It doesn't have to be. | ||
| Man, you dick. | ||
| I have got an exciting new solution that nobody has ever thought of before. | ||
| It's called, and you're gonna listen, I think you might react to this, but it's brand new. | ||
| It's never been tried before. | ||
| It's called apartheid. | ||
| Yeah, it's the thing from the past, this novel idea. | ||
| The brand new idea of us being a homogeneous social class above all others that we dominate and are extracting wealth from. | ||
| You know, brand new. | ||
| brand fucking new. | ||
| And I think that the danger here. | ||
| is that Nick's criticism of Trump is kind of correct. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, The criticism that he's a piece of shit and he is not an ideological pure hard right wing person is true. | ||
| It's just that he's putting himself in as a proxy as the alternative. | ||
| And in doing so, he's not really being clear that he's like, oh, also, when you get over to my side, I hate the Jews. | ||
| I hate Jewish people fundamentally. | ||
| And that is something that we are going to act on. | ||
| We're really going to be, yeah. | ||
| This new novel, reactionary kind of brand new. | ||
| It involves getting rid of all those Jewish women. | ||
| Well, I mean brand newly, though. | ||
| In a brand newly way. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's presenting the pure alternative to the Trump disappointment. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| as himself. | ||
| That's the, but that's like, that's the Alex trick, right? | ||
| Everybody, if you make the argument, this thing is not the thing it says it is, then yes, you're making accurate points. | ||
| Whether I like the thing it says it is, it is not that thing. | ||
| So we're in agreement,, right? | ||
| We're not arguing about what the thing is though. | ||
| Because once we argue about what the thing is, then we're not talking about whether or not Trump is what he says he is. | ||
| We're talking about whether or not it's okay to eradicate the Jews. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that's a different conversation. | ||
| That's what Nick is trying to get people over to his side. | ||
| He's not what he says he is. | ||
| He's right. | ||
| I agree with him. | ||
| You're a good dude. | ||
| I'm not let's kill the Jews. | ||
| God damn it again. | ||
| Oops. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And fundamentally like what Nick is talking about, like about this being a big opportunity. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Is that it's we can canal a ton of people much further to the right into these spaces if we just exploit this implosion correctly. | ||
| And Alex, I think that he's a little bit outplayed if I want to be as generous as possible. | ||
| If he doesn't want that to be what happens, then he's being outplayed severely. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I guess there is the possibility that just like he's kind of crashing his own ship in order to move things over to Nick. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| is possible it feels very much like i don't know if that's on purpose but it feels like this is alex's proxy way of talking about himself of of being like is there any way to save me yeah is Because I can't, I can't do the thing that I have been doing. | ||
| Your thing is clearly working better at this point in time. | ||
| That's why we're still talking. | ||
| That's why we're talking. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You're crushing it. | ||
| I want some of that crushing it. | ||
| Can I get it without changing anything about me? | ||
| Right. | ||
| And it's a shocking invers of the relationship that he and Nick had earlier, where Alex was trying to convince him to speak in code and stop hanging out with Yay and, yeah, just cut it out with the Hitler stuff and we can make some money together, buddy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Now it's the roles have essentially reversed. | ||
| Never, oh man. | ||
| Time passing? | ||
| Ah, it never makes you feel good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You look back and it's like, that's not how it was supposed to go. | ||
| So Alex is bummed out. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, this is a disaster. | ||
| So, so, Nick, there's a lot of questions there. | ||
| Why do you think he covered it up? | ||
| What do you think should have come out? | ||
| How the Democrats think they can only limitedly expose him when they're heavily involved. | ||
| Where do you see that going? | ||
| I agree. | ||
| I think they're going to keep pushing it, you know, because this is the first scandal that's really hurt Trump. | ||
| All the other stuff nobody really believed the Russia gate, the Stormy Daniels, for the most part that never left a mark because there was this assumption among the base that, look, the left is going to lie about Trump. | ||
| They're going to try everything. | ||
| They're throwing everything other than the kitchen sink and the rest of it. | ||
| But this is something that it's just unavoidable. | ||
| I mean, the Trump base, these people like Cash Patel, they played up the Epstein files for years. | ||
| It's so brazen. | ||
| So this is going to leave a mark. | ||
| And now that the left has found something that is so effective, super effective, they're just going to hit this all day long. | ||
| Now, fortunately for Trump, there's this summer recess for the Congress. | ||
| So they can punt this. | ||
| I don't know that was even the best idea, Because when the Congress reconvenes, guess what they're going to do? | ||
| They're once again going to force the issue. | ||
| So we're going to pick up in September in the next legislative session on this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I think that I think that Nick is fundamentally missing a point, but I think it's somewhat intentional. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And that is that like the left has not discovered something that works. | ||
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No. | |
| You guys just don't, you're not playing this time. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| All of those like, like, I mentioned earlier, all those other scandals that Trump, you know, navigated fine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| was because he has a robust, well funded media machine in place that distracts everybody and's like, oh no fake news is a democratic hoax. | ||
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Yep. | |
| If they had just had message discipline and done that from the beginning on this, this probably wouldn't be hurting Trump at all. | ||
| The only it's not the left, it's you. | ||
| Yeah, every single fucking time, all of you have been in a losing position. | ||
| Your move has been, ah, that guy's a pedophile. | ||
| That's your move. | ||
| That's been like the in my back pocket. | ||
| I've got the call that guy a pedophile. | ||
| That move is taken away from you if your guy is a pedophile. | ||
| And it doesn't matter if he is or isn't because it didn't matter if what what you were calling a pedophile was or wasn't. | ||
| What matters is, would it sound like it was in a conversation where I'm arguing with someone? | ||
| And now it, you're going to lose. | ||
| Yeah, it's just, they've reached the Mendoza line of what the right wing media will do. | ||
| And this is fully within their power. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is all, I mean, in a way, you could also say, like, here's how we keep him from getting blackmailed. | ||
| We say it's okay for him to do whatever he wants it to do. | ||
| It's one, it's one easy trick that could solve everything. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So again, Nick is trying to explain to Alex that the glass is half full here, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm opportunity. | ||
| I'm loving this. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You know, some people look at this as dreadful. | ||
| I look at this as kind of like momentum. | ||
| This is an explosion of energy that can propel maybe something even more anti establishment into the fore. | ||
| You know, and people like liberals were pointing out Trump is losing with the younger demographic. | ||
| Trump's approval among the eighteen to twenty five is crashing out more than any other demo. | ||
| The old people don't care, but the young people are furious about this. | ||
| And the left said, oh, this is rebel and this is the main issue. | ||
| And he thought he had the political cachet to say, shut up. | ||
| And a person with a 70 IQ would have known that was a disastrous move, which is the low-level acuity of him and his advisors. | ||
| But in particular with the young people, he and I agree because he thought he could do it, but he didn't. | ||
| The young people are leaving and the left is telling us, oh great, Trump is losing the youth. | ||
| This is a great day for the left. | ||
| But Trump is losing the youth not because the youth are going to the left. | ||
| He is losing the youth because they are more right-wing than Trump. | ||
| Trump has created a generation of Nick Fuentes and Groyper. | ||
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That's one thing. | |
| I saw you talk about this. | ||
| I like Charlie Kirk. | ||
| I'm on his enemy and I think he's been brought along. | ||
| But they're literally having struggle sessions now. | ||
| When you've been banned from their events, I've been there when you get taken out by police. | ||
| The fact that they tried to ban you from the building only made you bigger. | ||
| Do a little short thing about that. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Well, you know, last week they did this Turning Point struggle session on Israel. | ||
| And what I said on my show is that for many years back in 2019, I came at Turning Point USA as a critic from the right. | ||
| Turning Point was considered. | ||
| the rightmost youth organization in the country and they were the gladiators against the left. | ||
| They were the most pro-Trump, the most right wing. | ||
| Then here come the groiper's that are saying, You're not right wing enough on the social issues, on immigration, on identity, and in particular on Israel. | ||
| And their first response back in 1919 was to ban us. | ||
| They banned me from their events. | ||
| They spit the groiper's out. | ||
| They fired the groiper's that were sympathetic in their organization and they tried to ignore us. | ||
| They tried to purge us. | ||
| They tried to pretend we didn't exist. | ||
| Fast forward six years later, and their whole organization is filled with droipers. | ||
| Their events are filled with droipers. | ||
| The youth is about as right wing as me. | ||
| Maybe they're even more right wing than me. | ||
| And again, a quote from a chapter. | ||
| They had literally an event with their people about this, though. | ||
| He's tired. | ||
| He's a tired man. | ||
| You know, it's a classic quote, right? | ||
| You know, If you're not a raging conservative monster in your twenties, you have no heart. | ||
| But if you're not a pointless, nonfunctional liberal in your forties, you have no brain. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What if you're a washed up, sad, bankrupt guy whose business is about to be liquidated? | ||
| Go to South America. | ||
| Run. | ||
| Run. | ||
| Oh man. | ||
| I think that there's an indication in that clip of a talking point Nick wanted Alex to bring up. | ||
| I think he wanted to bring up the struggle session thing. | ||
| It's pretty specific wording that Alex introduces. | ||
| Nick clearly has prepared thoughts on this. | ||
| It kind of feels like, oh, this was part of the thing that we're going to talk about this. | ||
| I think that it's an indication of Nick calling some of the shots. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, there's I've I've practiced this in the mirror energy on some of the Yeah. | ||
| Set me up, team me up, Alex. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So there's also like a just a bummer of a reality that is like. | ||
| we've taken your stuff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We've taken these kind of center right things pretty far center right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like a turning point, like an info wars. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And we have infected all of it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We have now pushed everything. | ||
| We've exploited your obsession with free speech. | ||
| We've exploited fears around lockdown and pandemic and all this stuff in order to move everything super far to the right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We have forced you to become. | ||
| to bequeath power to us. | ||
| And now your god king, Trump, is shown to have no clothes, and we're gonna we're gonna take over now. | ||
| It is so much like, hey, you've been feeding these people some form of diet coke their entire lives, and if that's all you've had, then one sip of real coke is going to blow your fucking mind. | ||
| And that's what we're yeah, that's his pitch. | ||
| And so Nick is invested in not caring about Trump. | ||
| Instead, he wants to find basically the next Hitler. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yes, I don't think that Trump was all bad. | ||
| I'm not a Trump hater. | ||
| I think that he did a lot of good for the country, but he was never, in my opinion, he was always the first step. | ||
| He was always going to hand the baton to someone else. | ||
| He was planting a seed. | ||
| He was destroying institutions. | ||
| He was kind of like a necessary first part of a long story. | ||
| And so if we play our cards right and are smart, what happens next is we decouple from Trump. | ||
| And like he did, we imagine what is the next step of this? | ||
| What do we want? | ||
| And we take the baton from Trump and from this administration and we take it forward in 2028. | ||
| We take it forward in 2032 and we look for a young avatar of this new movement that can run for office. | ||
| Maybe he's a congressman. | ||
| Is there anyone else? | ||
| I don't know anyone in particular. | ||
| People say Thomas Massey. | ||
| I don't think he'll be the guy. | ||
| Dan Bilzerian has talked about running for office. | ||
| Maybe it'll be someone like him. | ||
| Maybe it's someone we haven't heard of yet. | ||
| It could be someone, this is big country. | ||
| It could be someone that nobody knows your name. | ||
| I think all he knows is the fuck word, man. | ||
| He is a little, yeah, he's a little jocular, but you know, I wouldn't overestimate him. | ||
| I'm not against him. | ||
| It's like, dude, you got a vocabulary? | ||
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You know, it's like, yeah, I know what you mean. | |
| Hopefully if he runs for office, maybe clean it up a little bit. | ||
| Certainly clean up a little bit. | ||
| What about you, Nick? | ||
| I might run for office at some point. | ||
| I think at this point in time, I see myself more as like a vanguard, and I think I'm maybe more powerful not in a campaign, because you get in a campaign, and then they turn it into, well, I got it. | ||
| You're more like John the Baptist out there. | ||
| So you're more John the Baptist. | ||
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Yeah, I get it. | |
| I get it. | ||
| Hey, Alex, I'm you. | ||
| I'm you, but harder. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| I feel like Alex was really trying to be like, could you announce a run? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Some sort of set him up like, oh, now we can, now we can get you out of my media space and put you in a place where you have rules on what you can and can't say. | ||
| Hey Nick, who were, who's the new exciting young candidate that you're interested in? | ||
| Let's pretend that you weren't Ye's campaign manager. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like a year ago. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like we know who you want to promote. | ||
| Come on, stop fucking playing games. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| So Alex is like, I need to take a break. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think he had to pee or something. | ||
| Yeah, that makes sense. | ||
| But they go to break and they come back. | ||
| Come back and Alex is like, this is not a debate, this is a wake. | ||
| I appreciate Nick Fuentes, really smart guy being with us tonight. | ||
| Nick J. Fuentes on Rumble and on X. We're going to end this in about thirty minutes. | ||
| We're going to take a few calls right now. | ||
| Call it a debate. | ||
| I mean, it is a discussion, I would say more of a wake. | ||
| And I don't want to agree with him totally that Trump's done. | ||
| I think there's some chance to extricate. | ||
| He's woke. | ||
| As I said, three plus weeks ago, before it even came out, this is Trump. | ||
| And going against what he promised to do, the Epstein thing has. | ||
| He has created a wedge the Democrats are coming after. | ||
| But that will get all the other issues and how he's so much better than them on others. | ||
| And I want to keep the House, I want to keep the Senate. | ||
| I want to hold on to this. | ||
| Please, Nick, tell me I can please, I just want to keep my Trump toy. | ||
| We're just never going to get to a point where it's like, guys, the Democrats aren't actually your enemies. | ||
| They've been nonstop trying to be like, can we live together? | ||
| I just want to live in the same space as you. | ||
| You guys are your own enemies. | ||
| Your imaginary enemies are your own. | ||
| Your real enemies are absolutely your own. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| You're going to eat each other alive with this Trump bullshit. | ||
| Yeah, and that's essentially what this conversation is actually about. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It is about, can we not destroy this fun costume we've been wearing? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The hats are fun. | ||
| And Nick's like, you gotta put away the hat. | ||
| You gotta put away the hat. | ||
| It's time to grow up. | ||
| It's weird to hear this from a nineteen year old Alex. | ||
| It's time to grow up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Nick, I think he has a point that is obvious but also completely invalidating of their entire point. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that is that, hey man, if Trump would just do more crazy shit. | ||
| We'd be fine with all this. | ||
| What? | ||
| You know, it's like you said, and we're kind of in agreement on this. | ||
| Even if all this has happened, if he went after his opponents like Clinton and Obama and Comey and Clapper, and if he raised some of these departments and agencies to the ground and he did the mass deportations, he would be forgiven. | ||
| You know, he's a lame duck and that could cut both ways. | ||
| You could say nothing new can come out of it. | ||
| He can't win again. | ||
| At the same time, you would say he could kind of burn the house down on his way out, meaning not necessarily destructive, but he could really go for it and he could really go for the institutions and really go for the people.. | ||
| And this is a crisis. | ||
| This is like a hot potato. | ||
| He has it, pass it to the next person, you know, double it and pass it to Hillary Clinton. | ||
| Why is he caught holding the bag and dying with the Epstein thing? | ||
| So essentially, Nick, his position this whole time has been when Alex was like, can we salvage Trump? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's like, no. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But his actual position is, yeah, if Trump would kick all the immigrants out of the country. | ||
| Right. | ||
| If he locked up all the semi powerful people on the left. | ||
| Right. | ||
| If he would destroy all of these parts of the government. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He would do that dictatorship shit, like, for real? | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| I wouldn't care if he's an Epstein file. | ||
| He can do whatever the fuck he wants. | ||
| I already want him to be a dictator. | ||
| Why would I give a shit if he's raped children? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| My problem is that he's not doing this other shit that I want him to do. | ||
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| So in effect, Nick is giving Alex the answer, how do we save Trump? | ||
| Trump could be saved. | ||
| Right. | ||
| If he would just be Hitler. | ||
| If he was, here's the thing. | ||
| In reality, there is no way to save Trump. | ||
| In fiction, if Trump were a different person, the person that we lied to people and said he was, then yes, I would have accepted anything he does. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's what we're talking about. | ||
| He isn't that person. | ||
| He's proved it beyond a reasonable doubt. | ||
| That's all we can say. | ||
| But it makes the caring about this seem a little bit stupid. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because you obviously don't care. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| about Epstein. | ||
| You don't care about what any of this pretends. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You you would forgive him. | ||
| Yeah, this is an opportunity. | ||
| You want. | ||
| And that's like, I think that most of the people who are attracted to Nick Fuentes, most of the people who are his fans, Yeah. | ||
| They understand that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They are not disillusioned by some, like, Oh, no, this is calculated. | ||
| Right. | ||
| No, it's ruthless practicalism. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I think that that is a place where he can say shit like this and it doesn't really matter. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| On its face, it's invalidating of pretending to care. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But his audience doesn't demand that he pretend to care. | ||
| Yeah, they don't, again, they don't really care. | ||
| No. | ||
| And even then, even what he's describing is like, here's what he could do. | ||
| Give heads. | ||
| People are calling for heads. | ||
| They want heads. | ||
| His head seems pretty obvious to take right now. | ||
| So if he gives people other heads, they'll maybe go away. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| On some level, that is basically the subtext. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So they take some calls and they get a call from a Nick fan. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Just forgive me a little bit. | ||
| I'm a little nervous because you guys are both my inspiration, especially Nick. | ||
| I just recently became a voyper. | ||
| I don't mean to take all of your time, but I'm stopped apologizing here on the air. | ||
| Just what's your point? | ||
| Okay, so my question to you, Alex, was if Nick were by chance to start a voyper war against like the Trump movement, like, would you be in, like, would you be a part of the movement? | ||
| Because I'm getting tired of these Judeo Catholics, Judeo Christians in the office dictating our government, and I just Let me respond to that. | ||
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What do I think of that? | |
| Three weeks ago, I came out day one and said, This is BS within hours of a break. | ||
| And I've tried to figure it out since. | ||
| So I am in war with the Republican establishment trying to control Trump. | ||
| So it's not, do I, I would, if Nick launched some war against Trump that he kind of already has, I would then gauge it and say, Do I agree with it? | ||
| He kind of already did it. | ||
| So I think you're kind of like behind the curve here. | ||
| I think we're already here. | ||
| And we're saying, We want to get Trump steered back. | ||
| Can he be saved? | ||
| We're having a discussion about this. | ||
| That's not the discussion that's happening. | ||
| And what this caller is asking is essentially a take MAGA and kick the Jews out. | ||
| That's the Groeper War. | ||
| That's what we're here for. | ||
| Are you in favor of that, Alex? | ||
| And Alex can't not understand that these are the conversations that are being had. | ||
| This is what this caller is asking him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And listen, we're all people, but I don't believe that. | ||
| Should we purge non people from our group? | ||
| Cut to six months later. | ||
| You know, we purge a lot of these non people from our group, but I'm starting to think there's some more non people in here. | ||
| Let's get rid of these guys too. | ||
| And there you go. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I think that Alex is either delusional about what the conversation he's having on the show is or he wants it to be this. | ||
| And either is unacceptable. | ||
| I think that's an interesting, like if he does mean kind of what he's saying, then he would have some intentionality behind this of being like, I'm not openly saying I'm on the groiper side of the war. | ||
| But do you see me having this conversation and saying, You're totally right, Nick. | ||
| I think you're right. | ||
| I think you're right, Nick. | ||
| Nick, I think you're right. | ||
| Like, you would understand what's happening now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's a there's a feeling of hedging. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A little bit. | ||
| It's disgusting. | ||
| So, Nick, I mean, look, for whatever, I've been thinking about continuity so much. | ||
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Okay. | |
| And Alex is completely disconnected from continuity. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Nothing matters, tomorrow doesn't exist, yesterday is an imagination. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But Nick kind of has to live in reality. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And so Trump said, I don't want your support. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that doesn't go away just because you want it to go away. | ||
| And so Nick's like, I'm going to remember that. | ||
| My first inclination is we have to punish them, you know? | ||
| And I know people didn't like my tactics last year, But my first instinct when I heard this is when Trump said, I don't want your support. | ||
| My first thought is that needs to be on billboards, that needs to be projected at rallies. | ||
| Come to the midterms, people need to say and remember that, I don't want your support. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| Our only hope is killing his humor. | ||
| Like if there's money saving him, which is actually working some. | ||
| He tried to say, Oh, take the vaccine. | ||
| People backlash. | ||
| He backed off. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Is Trump gut level? | ||
| Is Trump salvageable? | ||
| No gut level. | ||
| No. | ||
| That's like I would say probably the twentieth time he has asked that. | ||
| It's just repetitive, please. | ||
| I mean, this is such Alex being that kid whose daddy does everything for him. | ||
| Like even listening to it now is like, I know, but I'm gonna ask you again, because maybe this time the answer will be different. | ||
| And do you know why I do that? | ||
| Because eventually it will be different. | ||
| Eventually I'll wear you down and I will get to ride on that little fucking horse because you'll give me that quarter. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's going to happen. | ||
| I think that that's one very good possibility. | ||
| That he's just like, I think if I just keep asking it will change. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or he really, really wants this to look like a conversation where there are possible, like right, right, right. | ||
| viewpoints. | ||
| Is it a both sides conversation? | ||
| It is not. | ||
| He just keeps saying the same thing over and over again and Nick keeps saying, No. | ||
| Is there any way the climate is not changing? | ||
| No. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Now I like that, but is there any way the climate could not be changing? | ||
| No. | ||
| And that we brand this conversation as a debate on climate change. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's it's it's it's either really, really stupid or an expression of him just like, I'll get my way eventually. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But like, I think there's something so interesting about Nick being like, we got to put this on billboards. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And Alex is like, yeah, that'll get Trump in line. | ||
| And Nick's point is not, let's get Trump in line. | ||
| We'll not get him in line. | ||
| We'll get another leader. | ||
| We are punishing him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| For failure. | ||
| We call holding somebody accountable. | ||
| We will use that against him to boost someone else. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| We are not helping Trump do anything anymore. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So Alex is like, but what about the dems? | ||
| What about the dems? | ||
| Do they even exist right now? | ||
| Not to Nick. | ||
| How do the Democrats try to connect him to Epstein when they're completely convictedicted of it. | ||
| It is a he without sin throw the first thumb. | ||
| I don't know that that applies. | ||
| I mean, if they're all guilty of this, then they all have to go. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, we could say the Democrats are hypocrites, but then we could say Trump is a hypocrite. | ||
| I agree, but how do they use Epstein on him when they're confirmed involved? | ||
| Yeah, again, I think it depends on what's in the files, which we don't know. | ||
| But at the same time, Trump runs the DOJ, so the onus is on him. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I'm really just not interested in that. | ||
| When people say Democrats and Republicans, I say you're repeating yourself. | ||
| You're talking about the same people. | ||
| So Republicrips and Democrats. | ||
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Yeah, there we go. | |
| Republicans, Republicans. | ||
| Yeah, Jesse Ventura's back, baby. | ||
| Yeah, this is a unfortunate instance where, like, uh oh, Alex, you can't really argue with this. | ||
| This is what you say. | ||
| According to what you say, this is what you say. | ||
| Yeah, this is what your career is based on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the person throwing your shit back at you is saying, Who cares? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is almost like a murder interrogation. | ||
| There's just, there's just so much like, you know, we know. | ||
| You know, we know, right? | ||
| Yeah, but what if I, you know, I don''t think I was there that night. | ||
| You were. | ||
| We know. | ||
| We know, you know. | ||
| You know that. | ||
| I don't think I was. | ||
| You should ask for a lawyer. | ||
| That's what you should be doing. | ||
| Barnes, exactly. | ||
| Barnes is offering for a lawyer right now. | ||
| So one of the biggest allure, obviously, of Trump as a political figure is this idea that he is anti elite, is anti oligarch. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Gold toilets, having people tend to be anti oligarch. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so Nick points out the very obvious thing that Trump is a fucking oligarch. | ||
| Oh, what? | ||
| On the trade, on cutting deep state funding. | ||
| I mean, there's a lot of good happening, Nick. | ||
| That's what's so painful about this. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| I like, I said, I don't think you can treat it as a singular issue. | ||
| And we talk about oligarchs. | ||
| I mean, Trump by definition is an oligarch. | ||
| He is a billionaire. | ||
| I mean, look at his cabinet, Linda McMahon, Howard Lutnick, Scott Bessant. | ||
| Scott Bessant comes from Soros. | ||
| He worked for Soros. | ||
| I mean, if they're not oligarchs, then who is Peter Thiel, JD Vance? | ||
| I mean, look at the people that supported Trump getting into office. | ||
| It was Silicon Valley, Wall Street, the Israel lobby. | ||
| And then Trump hired all of them. | ||
| I mean, all the people in the DOD and the Pentagon are Musk people. | ||
| If Elon Musk and Peter Thiel are not oligarchs, who is? | ||
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Who is so much the same as Trump split? | |
| I mean, that looks pretty real. | ||
| Oh, I think it's real. | ||
| But, you know, that's just another oligarch. | ||
| I think that has nothing to do with what's going on. | ||
| At least Elon Musk was calling out the Epstein stuff on June 5. | ||
| Well, was it? | ||
| I saw you say he owed an apology. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And I said it and you said it too. | ||
| The day it happened, I said Elon is right. | ||
| He has no reason to lie. | ||
| And everyone said, Oh, that's fake. | ||
| Trump deflected from it. | ||
| So, yeah, absolutely. | ||
| But, you know, this whole thing about, Oh, Epstein's one little issue. | ||
| It's about the Republic or whatever. | ||
| First of all, we don't have a Republic. | ||
| Second of all, Trump is the oligarch candidate, if there ever was one. | ||
| He is the congenital oligarch, if there ever was one. | ||
| But MAGA people need to wake up. | ||
| This is what I'm talking about. | ||
| These are like the mind raped. | ||
| These are the brainwashed people that bought into this scam and they think that Trump is carrying the banner forward. | ||
| It's like, look around you. | ||
| I mean, they'll negate that. | ||
| Towards your database. | ||
| I mean, they see the good appointments and things better than Democrats. | ||
| I don't do the lesser, you know, of two evils. | ||
| But overall, the lesser, all Trump supporters just, some of the cutards, well, now they're waking up too. | ||
| It's just, it's hard to look at the Democrats and then just totally turn against Trump, but I understand what you're saying, it's a bad sign. | ||
| Let's take a few more calls. | ||
| That's a weak, weak response on Alex's part. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because what Nick is doing is directly confronting what Alex does. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He is the person who's blindly turned, you know, like Trump into this, like a meme. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or whatever. | ||
| Like that's the bread and butter of Infowars. | ||
| And he's just saying, no, your shit is hollow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's empty and I'm going to poke a hole in it. | ||
| People like lies, but now is not the era for lies, I guess. | ||
| I guess that's what we're saying. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I think that Alex wants his last sort of retreat is this idea of like, let's fucking latch onto Elon Musk. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And Nick is even kind of like resistant to that, or at least not signing off. | ||
| He's an oligarch too. | ||
| He's one of No, no, Nick is very much like, Oh man, this revolution's going really well. | ||
| Oh no, why am I getting decapitated? | ||
| God damn it, Robespierierre. | ||
| It's just him, man. | ||
| It's just the way these people operate. | ||
| It's never going to be enough. | ||
| There's never going to be enough heads. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So they go to some more calls. | ||
| And I think that one of the arguments that I've made, and I've been saying pretty much since Alex started fucking around with Nick, is that the way that this media space works is you're just someone who stumbles over some kind of conspiracy content like Alex's. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And you're like, oh my God, this is interesting. | ||
| This guy is very convicted. | ||
| He sounds very sure of himself. | ||
| He pretends that he's read all these things. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And you get interested in that. | ||
| And eventually, it becomes unsatisfying. | ||
| Because something like this Trump thing happens. | ||
| And you're like, oh, wait, Alex is full of shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I need something harder. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so you go to Nick. | ||
| And then, before you know it, you're blaming Jews for all the ills of the world. | ||
| That'll happen. | ||
| And so this caller essentially followed that exactly same path. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Hey, so I just want to say, like, really just shout out to both of you guys. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| Really liked the way this conversation went. | ||
| Because I was almost a little concerned on Twitter when I thought it was gonna be a debate because I love you guys both. | ||
| Started off listening to Alex Jones, moved on to listen to Nick Fuentes. | ||
| Really, it's not much of a question. | ||
| It's more of a comment. | ||
| I just personally don't really understand why so much of the Trump base is giving him even a shadow of a doubt. | ||
| I mean, he's literally broken almost every fucking promise, at least since 2024, let alone 2016, right? | ||
| And I feel like there's a level of almost like, you think that eventually he'll like honor his promise and he'll live up to what he promised. | ||
| And every time, it's like how many fell for it again awards are they going to win before they realize that he's controlled opposition in my opinion? | ||
| Well, this is where I can actually debate, Nick, and I appreciate your call. | ||
| They dismantled border enforcement, they've scaled up. | ||
| And yes, it's less than Obama did and less than he did before because they didn't have enforcement. | ||
| They, from what I've seen in my sources, they're really trying to scale that up. | ||
| So 96% shutdown on the border coming in, scaling up deportation. | ||
| Is that really a fair attack on Trump? | ||
| I mean, he is saying, oh, we're going to keep people here with, you know, for farming visas and things. | ||
| So he has gone back there. | ||
| But I mean, in general, is Trump really breaking his promise on the border, Nick? | ||
| 100%, yeah. | ||
| And the reason why, I mean, look, I agree with you. | ||
| It's miraculous what he did at the border. | ||
| Border crossings are like zero, which is unheard of. | ||
| And that would have been good in 2017, but it's 2025. | ||
| A lot of people don't have the perspective that you and I have. | ||
| Illegal immigration was so bad then, ten years ago, that we elected Trump. | ||
| Then we had four years of Biden where ten million people come in. | ||
| Now they close the border. | ||
| That's too little, too late. | ||
| He promised mass deportations, closed border. | ||
| That should have been a given. | ||
| That should have been a given from the beginning. | ||
| Now they've given us closed border. | ||
| They promised mass deportations. | ||
| We're six months in. | ||
| They haven't even started. | ||
| And they go, well, you know, that's going to happen later. | ||
| I mean, when is that going to happen? | ||
| And by the way, here's why people are concerned. | ||
| Maybe you'd be willing to say, well, you'll do it. | ||
| next year. | ||
| They'll do it in a couple of years. | ||
| Will they in the middle of the midterms? | ||
| Joe Rogan says, well, we only want the criminals out. | ||
| The All In podcast, the tech bros, they're going to say, we only want the criminals gone. | ||
| Look, suffice to say, it's not happening. | ||
| Alex and Trump essentially, and, and, you know, so many of these other figures in that media space have created a disillusionment machine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And eventually, a lot of people will end up in the same kind of position as this caller. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Who gravitate towards trying to find something harder. | ||
| And they find Nick and he's calling in. | ||
| and Alex is like, fuck, maybe I can still appeal to this guy. | ||
| Trump's doing pretty good on the border. | ||
| He's doing pretty, you know, he's trying to do his talking points of why you don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater. | ||
| And he's hoping Nick will just be like, yeah, you know what? | ||
| That is one good thing about Trump. | ||
| But instead, he's like, no, no, a hundred percent Trump has not lived up to this campaign promise. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's why he appeals to these people who have been disillusioned by Alex's shit. | ||
| I mean, to go back to the beginning, he's right. | ||
| You know, when you come at the king, you have to go all the way. | ||
| You can't be like, I think it's bad that the king did this, but I'll forgive him. | ||
| You have to go after it. | ||
| You have to go all the way. | ||
| So, no, it doesn't even matter. | ||
| Yes, no, I don't even care. | ||
| I threw the glove down, so now we fight. | ||
| There is no, like, but I'm pretty, right? | ||
| No, I don't care. | ||
| We're fighting now. | ||
| Yeah, how does it serve my interests in any way to be like, yes, this is good enough? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| No, I we're fighting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, we get another caller, and this guy was on hold for an hour just to kind of bababooey them. | ||
| Except with a kind of antisemitic thing. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Go ahead, Sean, go ahead. | ||
| Hey, good evening, fellows. | ||
| Hope you guys are well. | ||
| Just want to say, Christ is King, Mary is the Mother of God, and we pray for the conversion of the Jews, all heretics and infidels. | ||
| Okay, I think that was it. | ||
| Well, that was a good call. | ||
| He held for like an hour to say that, Nick. | ||
| Wow, based. | ||
| Yeah, very based. | ||
| We got that out of the way. | ||
| We should have started with that at the beginning. | ||
| Okay, Nick in Arizona, your hotel gunner, go ahead. | ||
| That last guy is going to be hard to follow. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, so I mean, Alex is just letting his show become a sort of carnival of We're just saying the Nazi catechism or whatever it is now. | ||
| That's just what we're doing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's either very interested in this becoming what his show is acceptable on his show or he has entirely lost control of like what's going on. | ||
| There's almost no other explanation. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I mean, I could I can definitely just see him like, Where do you go? | ||
| Run. | ||
| Run. | ||
| Go to South America. | ||
| You have gold buried somewhere. | ||
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Take it. | |
| Get out. | ||
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Just go. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| There's nothing for you here. | ||
| There's only got wounds with his fucking teeth. | ||
| And if you run, there's a hammock somewhere. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And sandals. | ||
| Oh my god, the hammock sandals. | ||
| Yeah, I want to run right now. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And Nick Fuentes isn't even nipping at your heels. | ||
| No, not even bothering me. | ||
| So I think that this has been, Alex has described it as a wake, I would describe it as humiliating. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And Alex is, like, just really bummed out about all this stuff that's going on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he's talking to a borderline giddy, Nick Fuentes, who's like, we can use this, this is going to be so good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's not the energy Alex needed. | ||
| Um, and so as they went on. | ||
| As they wrap things up, I think he's going to he's trying to feel good about something. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so he decides to make fun of the Q people. | ||
| Great. | ||
| And he got it. | ||
| He seems to be talking about himself. | ||
| Oh, god damn it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So in congressional hearings about Epstein, does Trump keep doubling down? | ||
| I mean, how, how bad is that going? | ||
| How Trump plays it is up to him. | ||
| But I don't see him, if he hasn't done anything different yet, I don't think he'll do anything different in the future. | ||
| So I think he'll try to punt it. | ||
| I think he'll try to pass the hot potato. | ||
| And I think it's just going to become a big shitfest, just like the Ukraine thing, the Ukraine call, the Russia game. | ||
| He's never been particularly good at this stuff. | ||
| So I think it's just going to be a big, ugly mess. | ||
| And the only strong point is the queues saying he was going to expose all the pedophile rings. | ||
| They don't know what to do now with this. | ||
| Are you sure? | ||
| They still have their theories. | ||
| I still get it on X. I still get people saying, There's no yellow fringe on the flag today. | ||
| You know what that means? | ||
| And we're like, no, what is that? | ||
| No, they're like, you know, he's going to bust the pedophiles and now they don't know what to do with this. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Wait, that's what that's your whole thing. | ||
| Literally, your thing was he was going to bust like all the pedophiles in the world. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, and now you don't know what to do with this. | ||
| No, because he's a pedophile. | ||
| You're talking about yourself and claiming it's the Q people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then Nick is making fun of like the fringe on the flag. | ||
| That's sovereign citizenship. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's Alex's maritime law. | ||
| That's Alex's bread and butter from way back. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| They're just making fun of what Alex is and pretending it's someone else. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't think this is good for anyone except Nick. | ||
| Yeah, that's coming out way ahead. | ||
| That's exactly right. | ||
| That's exactly right. | ||
| In this, in this world, Nick is playing it the way that you should play it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In this media space., what Alex represents is kind of a vestigial thing. | ||
| He was really helpful when you needed to speak in code. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And you needed to worry about social acceptability and people, you know, just being like, I don't want to give you any money. | ||
| You're a bigot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that has gone. | ||
| That is no longer necessary. | ||
| That beetle was really important when the wasp was a larvae, eating it from the inside out in order to gain all that strengthth. | ||
| But then once it becomes a wasp, it doesn't need you anymore. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And it flies away. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And like, you know, Lee Atwater has said, you know, the Southern Strategy and, you know, busing and, you know, state's rights, all that stuff was meaningful code because you couldn't just yell slurs. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that is a statement, I think, that is archaic now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And Nick knows how to surf these waters clearly. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And, yeah, Alex is going to get just kind of outrun. | ||
| People are going to change. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And I think that, honestly, that doesn't I don't know how much it changes the calculus for Alex. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Because most of his audience is probably at this point old people who don't know what, like, the internet is. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, it feels like what is dead can never die levels of territory of like, yeah, he's a walking corpse, but also he will never stop walking. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think that whoever is there is there. | ||
| And I don't think that they're like, they're not the young kids who are going to take over turning point meetings or whatever. | ||
| And so Nick is almost, it feels almost more like he's doing this for sport., then there's a practical like poaching that's going on. | ||
| But Alex, I think, believes that he has a possibility to poach Nick's audience. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like he thinks it's going to go that direction. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But that's Nick's advantage, right? | ||
| It's going to happen and that's why he's doing it. | ||
| That's why it's smart to do it now. | ||
| Because it's going to happen to the next guy. | ||
| Alex will no longer be the target once Nick gets to a certain point. | ||
| Then it'll be the next guy. | ||
| And the next guy will be the target. | ||
| And the next guy will not be Alex. | ||
| So there will be at least a little bit of a higher standard of quality when it comes to trying to steal his shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Anyway, this is a bummer, but it's kind of exactly what the progression of how the Epstein case, the mishandling of it on Trump's part. | ||
| It's wild. | ||
| The right-wing media implosion around it, this is how this goes. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And I don't know. | ||
| Man, just watching it, just watching it, it's like. | ||
| You know, you just don't think it's real. | ||
| You just don't. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| playing out like a movie would, but it's not a good movie. | ||
| No. | ||
| No. | ||
| No, and it's, you know, you want it to, you want it to not be real because there's something kind of funny about these people as characters. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| But it is unfortunately real and involves the president. | ||
| It is funny. | ||
| That's the problem. | ||
| The problem is it is funny. | ||
| It is kind of funny. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's just also horrifying. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The stakes are awful. | ||
| But it's a little funny. | ||
| But we can't dwell in this forever. | ||
| And there is ultimately no fundamental truth, I don't think, that is to be found from Alex's Can I please Keep Trump stand. | ||
| Like there isn't, there isn't some deeper truth behind that. | ||
| And as it stands in the present day, we're in a situation where the courts have ordered that the liquidation of Infowars can move forward. | ||
| And Trump has essentially sent federal troops into DC. | ||
| So we've got to move along. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And we've had our fun with the Epstein stuff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I I I bid Alex adieu with this horrific attempt at damage control. | ||
| But we'll be back with another episode. | ||
| Indeed we will. | ||
| Until then though, we have a website. | ||
| Indeed we do. | ||
| It's knowledgefight dot com. | ||
| Yep, we'll be back. | ||
| But until then, I'm Neo. | ||
| I'm Leo. | ||
| I'm DZX Clark. | ||
| I am the mysterious professor. | ||
| And now here comes the sex robot. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
| So Alex, I'm a first time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. |
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