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#1066: July 17, 2025

In this installment, Dan and Jordan take in the spectacle that is Alex trying his best to move on from the Trump/Epstein cover-up by yelling about Trump's feelings about piss and continuing his slide toward more overt antisemitism.

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alex jones
24:42
d
dan friesen
43:55
j
jordan holmes
21:56
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donald j trump
01:02
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karen bass
01:07
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andy in kansas
00:06
jason in ohio
00:21
matt-2 in ohio
00:18
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alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
unidentified
Andy and Andy.
alex jones
Stop it.
Andy and Kansas.
unidentified
Andy.
Andy.
alex jones
It's time to pray.
Andy and Kansas.
You're on the airplane for all of us.
andy in kansas
So Alex, I'm a freshman colored with you, Dan.
unidentified
I love your word.
alex jones
Knowledge Fight.
Not knowledgefight dot com dot I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
andy in kansas
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes.
It's like to sit around, worship at the altar of Sleen, and talk a little bit about Alex Jordan.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
unidentified
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today, buddy?
dan friesen
My bright spot today is not a bright spot per se.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But it's one of future problems.
A future promise.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
A potential bright spot in the future.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
That I haven't had time yet to look into, but I'm very excited about.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
So, I don't know if you know this.
jordan holmes
I don't.
dan friesen
But Popeye has become public domain.
jordan holmes
Popeye the character.
dan friesen
The Sailor Man.
jordan holmes
Yes, okay.
dan friesen
And I was on I watched something on Amazon at one time and they suggested that I watch some movie called like Popeye's Revenge.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
People are able to make horror movies now just with Popeye.
jordan holmes
Oh, I heard about that with like Winnie the Pooh.
I think they made one and stuff like that.
dan friesen
Not interested in Winnie the Pooh?
No.
But I am interested in Popeye.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
And I saw that there were like three or four of them.
jordan holmes
Damn.
dan friesen
Yeah, people are cranking them out because this character is just public domain.
jordan holmes
Why wouldn't you?
dan friesen
Yeah, so I'm going to watch all of them.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I'm going to watch every single Popeye horror movie that these dumb mills can crank out.
jordan holmes
I think what's funny about that is it never would have occurred to me, but now that I think about it, I think Popeye would be a great horror movie villain.
dan friesen
Those arms.
jordan holmes
Those arms, they look like he eats spinach and then he pops your head clean off.
He was always so nice.
dan friesen
He's so not scary when he doesn't have spinach though.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no.
dan friesen
And I wonder how these horror movies are going to de deal with that.
So yeah, I'm very excited about watching this garbage.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think they're going to be very bad.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But man, man, what a waste of creativity and resources.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
Why?
Because it's there.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
That's why humans do stuff.
dan friesen
Because it's technically legal now.
jordan holmes
Thank you.
dan friesen
So what's your bright spot?
unidentified
My bright spot is we went and saw a movie.
jordan holmes
That was a lot of fun.
Had some popcorn.
Sure.
It was great.
dan friesen
Went to go see Weapons.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it was a great time.
It was a, it was a good movie.
dan friesen
Yeah, it was fun.
jordan holmes
You liked it less than I did.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I afterwards we were talking about it and I worried that I might have yucked your yum a little bit or brought you down because you were more positive and I was a little more Meh.
jordan holmes
Meh, I mean, I like to come out whenever I come out of a movie theater in general, I tend to love the movie except for the last Skywalker.
The Star Wars one.
Yeah, the Star Wars one.
That really bummed me out.
I've been fucked over by Star Wars in the movie theater four, yeah, four times.
dan friesen
Name them off.
jordan holmes
Well, the prequels and then That was three of them.
And then the Rise of Skywalkerker.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Force Awakens?
All right, serviceable.
And in a cinema?
Great flick.
dan friesen
But did you see the special editions when they were re-released in the theaters?
jordan holmes
Oh yeah.
dan friesen
Of the prequel?
No, of the four, five and six.
jordan holmes
Oh yeah, of course.
dan friesen
So you weren't disappointed by those?
jordan holmes
Fuck no, I've seen four, five and six more times than I can count.
dan friesen
But the special editions.
jordan holmes
When I, my very first actual Christmas gift that I loved was the three VHS box of Star Wars.
dan friesen
I remember that box.
jordan holmes
Those I ate up.
I watched those so many times, even though they had that goddamn extra scene on Tatooine.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
With the little Brontosaurus guy.
dan friesen
That almost ruined it.
jordan holmes
That almost ruined it for the whole movie.
dan friesen
I admire your positivity and I like that you keep a bright attitude coming out of a movie.
I I often do.
Yeah.
But yeah, I just, I sometimes I'm like, what am I doing here?
What was this?
And that when we left that theater, I was in a what was that kind of Yeah.
jordan holmes
mood.
No, I think that's fair.
I think that's totally fair.
I think it's just, it's got that different for me, it's the difference between like a passive entertainment and an active entertainment and active entertainment.
If I'm at home, there's always a certain amount of passivity to it.
Like, oh, I can go get something or look at my phone for like five seconds or something like that.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
But in a movie theater, I'm in.
I have to be.
I've chosen to do this, you know?
dan friesen
There's more of an event element to it.
Although we did go, we went to the Alamo Draft House.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it was a baby day screening.
jordan holmes
It should not be.
dan friesen
The premise of that is insane.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That there's a baby day horror movie screening.
I I don't know.
I don't know about this.
Yeah.
I don't have kids and I don't know how to be a parent.
So maybe I'm wrong about this, but it seems I don't I wouldn't want a kid in one of these movies.
jordan holmes
I wouldn't understand it at all, but I mean, I guess the idea is that there are people at home with their babies who are like, if I stay inside for another five minutes, I'm going to murder this whole world.
dan friesen
And I have to go watch a upsetting movie.
jordan holmes
That's what I have to do.
I have to take my baby.
So this is what we do now.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Baby doesn't know enough to be upset.
jordan holmes
That's I mean, that's that remains to be seen.
dan friesen
This baby doesn't know about plot holes.
jordan holmes
I don't know how babies work.
Maybe later on that will be the thing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And I I want to say also, I recognize the hypocrisy of me being like, eh, on this movie and being also like, I can't wait to watch this shit with Popeye.
jordan holmes
Popeye!
Nobody's saying that your movie reviewing has to be anything.
It can be whatever you want it to be.
An eclectic, I think is great.
unidentified
Okay.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Well, thank you.
Yeah.
So, I have a review to share with you.
What was that?
Today.
And that is of an episode of Alex Jones' show.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
How's it?
dan friesen
It's bad.
jordan holmes
Ah, shit.
dan friesen
It's July 17, 2025, and the ongoing saga of Trump really fucking up his response to the Epstein files.
Yeah.
Last we left off, there was a demon.
The sixteenth was real tough because Trump had tweeted out, I don't want you as my fans anymore.
Go fuck yourselves.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And Alex had to deal with that on the fly.
Yeah.
But it's been a day.
You know, it's the seventeenth now.
jordan holmes
Sure.
Now you've got you've had time to process it.
You've gone home.
You've had dinner with some of your kids, probably.
dan friesen
Rogers beat the shit out of you.
jordan holmes
Rogers spent a long time on the phone with you.
dan friesen
Uh huh.
Sharing weird pictures of him with dictators in foreign countries over the years.
jordan holmes
How would you feel if this, uh, this dictator I know, talked to you for a second?
dan friesen
Yeah.
I know people.
unidentified
I don't know.
dan friesen
I don't know what happens.
But Alex's tone has changed a little.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
And it's exciting to see how it's not.
That's bad.
But we'll get to that here in a second.
First, though, let's take a moment to say hello to some new wow.
jordan holmes
That's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, I've been listening for a couple of years now and love the show.
Also, Jordan, if you're enjoying the Gathering Final Fantasy crossover, I highly recommend trying the Final Fantasy TGC.
TCG.
It's super fun and you can make decks around some of your favorite games.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wok.
alex jones
I'm a policy wok.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
I looked into that because you brought it up, the Final Fantasy one.
I saw that there's a Spiderman one coming.
Oh, yeah.
That sounds fun.
Yeah, I might have to get some of those cards.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's a Spiderman crossover.
dan friesen
Get out of here.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Come on.
Next, Joe from London says his friend Eric in South Carolina always knows what time it is when he wakes up.
Thank you so much, you're an hour palsy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you so much.
dan friesen
And Karin, not Karin, the spirit of Dunkin' Donuts shining in the eyes of every child longing for deliciousness in Paragon City.
Thank you so much, you're an hour palsy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you so much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And we got a technical card in the mix, Jordan.
So thank you so much to Sarah.
The globalists keep draining the fishing hole.
I don't know how it's nefarious yet, but together we can figure this out.
Extra love for my boy Sox.
Thank you so much.
You're now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Someone, someone, Sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
Daddy Sharp.
Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam.
Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser little, little titty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
So in our last episode, we left off with Alex saying that like a year ago Trump put on the ring of Soron.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And then he started engaging with his masculine flesh too much.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And a demon probably got in him and now he's Dark Trump.
jordan holmes
Like the good guys.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And now you have to deal with that.
He's going to cr be Doc Trump.
jordan holmes
There's nothing you can do.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So 24 hours later.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Here we are on the 17th.
alex jones
I really prayed about the Trump situation.
I've analyzed everything.
And I know exactly what's going on.
I know the truth.
And President Trump is telling the truth.
And I understand why he's enraged.
I've also talked to sources.
And I was so dumbstruck twelve days ago.
jordan holmes
So long.
alex jones
By that memo and then, and then knowing Trump was behind it.
And then his response saying shut this down, stop investigating without any clarity.
And then coming out Sunday, seven days later, and saying, no, no, they've had the file.
They filled it full of BS, Brennan, Clapper, Comey.
Of course, that's who controlled the file.
And that totally makes sense and is true.
That's their MO.
That's all they do.
But Trump has done a F minus.
I mean, my God, it's worse than an F. I mean, it's like a zero on the Strisand effecting and not having clarity and flip flopping back and forth.
It's just been horrifying.
But that said, I've had a lot of clarity last night and this morning.
And I have some congressional reports out.
They've now saved over thirty thousand children in sex slavery and slave labor.
You only hear about it here and there because under law they can't reveal, you know, three year olds, ten year olds, fifteen year olds because they're juveniles.
But when you see the raid on the big pot farm and now it's fourteen kids, some as young as eight working in slave labor and God knows what, you're able to learn about that little window because they attacked them with clubs and guns.
They've been shot at them and cinder blocks, smashing out their SUV windows, attempted murder.
dan friesen
So just a day before this, Trump had posted on Truth Social that he didn't want the support of people who were still talking about Jeffrey Epstein.
That's not a bad handling of a breaking story or unclear communication.
Like Alex is trying to present this as a PR debacle.
jordan holmes
Right.
Right.
dan friesen
That's not what this is.
This is a lunatic lashing out against the lunatics he's corraled into a fan base.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Yesterday it looked like Trump had put on the one ring after getting shot in Butler, and he had gotten too absorbed in the raw masculine power that it created, which made him susceptible to a demon taking over his mind and body.
But today Alex has prayed about it and I guess everything's fine.
What this indicates to me is that he thinks that things are just going to go back to normal.
In the past ten days since the FBI memo came out, Alex has been trying to figure out what the best positioning was for him and what narrative was going to allow him to straddle the line between not pissing off Trump and Roger and saving face with the Save the Children crowd, needed to serve both of those interests.
The way he's talking here makes you think that he's decided that it's safe to downplay this and he's banking on being able to pacify the Epstein child trafficking hardliners by appealing to the ideas that Trump and ICE are saving all these children from slavery.
The pot farm bus that Alex is talking about is a really complicated case, and I think that it absolutely shouldn't have happened like it did, but I don't mean to say that there wasn't any potential wrongdoing, especially from like a labor front on the farm's part.
The raids were carried out on two farm locations run by Glasshouse, the largest legal weed growers in California.
In the ensuing chaos, a man trying to run from Ice fell from a roof and died.
Around three hundred sixty people were detained, including four US citizens.
When immigration agents showed up to the farm, they were met by protesters who were a separate group from the workers who were being targeted by Ice.
ICE is exaggerating the violence involved, but there are reports of things like protesters kicking a can of gas back at the officers who threw it at them and an allegation that someone fired a gun.
Whatever the case is here, this was not violence being carried out by immigrants, which ICE is then responding to with violence.
The law enforcement are the instigators of the violence in this confrontation.
In the raid, the police found ten minors, but it's unclear what that means.
The children may have been the offspring of people who worked at the farm who couldn't afford daycare for their kids.
We don't know what the specifics are here, but it would be unwise to assume that they were all child laborers.
There's also another sticky issue here, which is that the BBC reported customs and border patrol saying that the youngest miner they found was fourteen.
In California, it's legal for people to work in agricultural jobs over the age of twelve, which is something Alex has been very in favor of in the past.
His position has always been that in the country you start work early as a way of life, and laws that prohibit that are meant to be attacks on the rural community.
However, even though it's legal for fourteen year olds to work in agricultural settings in California, you have to be twenty one or older to work on a cannabis farm, and so that still could be an issue.
But it gets even messier because the Glasshouse farm in question was their location in Camarillo, California.
According to the Associated Press, when they bought that farm, there were six greenhouses there that were used for tomatoes and cucumbers.
Quote, to date, two of the greenhouses have been converted to grow cannabis.
Workers' relatives said tomatoes are still being grown in other greenhouses at the location.
The point is that we don't know if these ten miners were even working at this farm, and if they were, it's possible that they were employed in a capacity that people their age in California can legally be employed in.
I'm not saying that there's no problem here, just that the problem is more of a workers' rights issue than an immigration one, just on its face.
An ice raid doesn't do shit to address whatever underlying problems may exist from a labor perspective on that farm.
But Alex knows that Trump has made himself really vulnerable to accusations that he's covering up child trafficking, and no matter what the people in the media try to say, Trump will not stop making it worse.
Alex can't spin any of that shit that he's doing, so he needs to change the conversation entirely.
Sure, Trump is acting super weird about this Epstein stuff, but did you see that raid on a pot farm?
It's not going to work, but it's a decent attempt at misdirection.
And you see on this episode a pretty heavy interest in that.
Misdirect, redirect these feelings and the attention that people have.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, I mean, you have to because the only option other than that is the right one, which is to say I'm out.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, like when your only option is to say I'm out, then you make up a story that helps you say the other.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, and I, I mean, it's regular behavior that we all engage in very often, so I think it's fine, except for, you know, it's horrifying.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's ridiculous for Alex, a guy who's fighting the devil and shit.
There's such a clear choice to make, and he just refuses to make the one choice.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's just like, hey, like I, I work at the library and I've got a bad supervisor.
That sucks, but you'll probably be fine.
No big deal.
This motherfucker, you're supposed to be fighting the goddamn devil.
You're the tip of the spear.
dan friesen
Yeah, is the war with the devil just something that, yeah, we'll get used to it?
I don't think you can do that.
I don't think you can operate that way.
And that's clearly what he wants to do.
jordan holmes
I mean, there is to be, or on the other hand, maybe there's something very deep about this.
This war between the devil and God has been going on for a while.
You know, probably going to keep going long after you're dead.
So calm down, relax about it.
Oh, the devil's doing stuff.
He's getting he's always getting to stuff.
dan friesen
Sure.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Sure.
I'm fine if that's your take.
That's not Alex's.
If that were consistent with if he had a laissez faire take on the devil.
jordan holmes
What are you going to do with this devil?
He's coming.
dan friesen
Yeah.
If that had been his longstanding position, then I'd be like, Hey, cool, man.
That is what you're all about.
jordan holmes
That would be a different show, though, I imagine.
dan friesen
So Alex has come to the conclusion that Trump, he's more good than bad.
alex jones
The point is, is that they are doing so much good, dismantling the deep state and all the rest of it.
that I just find it impossible not to back Trump.
I'm going to be very critical of him when he's doing wrong, but I just can't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
And that's where I stand.
dan friesen
So that's where he stands.
That's a pretty clear position.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, I don't think I would ever want to say that out loud.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's impossible for me to change is a really fucked up thing to like say out loud, let alone truly believe.
dan friesen
It seems like what he's saying is that there's no situation where he's not going to make excuses.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm going to walk in on Trump having sex with my wife and I'm going to say, sir, I would like to ask you to leave,, please.
dan friesen
You have.
jordan holmes
And I'll see you next year.
dan friesen
Not even that.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Sir, you have.
jordan holmes
Don't fuck my wife.
dan friesen
Sir, you have proven that my wife is a bombshell because you only fuck bombshell.
jordan holmes
Right.
unidentified
There you go.
jordan holmes
Right.
It's a, frankly, it's an honor.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
It's an honor.
And he should also have prima nocte for my daughters.
I think that makes perfect sense.
dan friesen
So like, I think that Alex's primary issue is exploiting fears and sensationalizing abuse against children.
Sure.
Like, in order to fuel a lot of this propaganda and conspiracy narratives.
That's central to him.
And if he's willing to just be like, hey, Trump told us to shut up about this and he called us stupid.
If you're not going to throw that bath water out, that's there's not a baby in there.
That's just shitty bath water.
jordan holmes
No, you're fucked.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
There's no hope.
So look, it's about power, really.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think it actually is.
Yes, yes, yes, I do.
alex jones
I'm going to say this very clearly and very succinctly that I'm going to unpack it.
The American people want firings and indictments of the globalist deep state operatives.
Now we've already seen more of that than we've ever seen in modern history.
jordan holmes
Where?
alex jones
We've already seen on the big broadbrush things with policy Trump's got like the border and trade and pulling us out of the WHO and so much more.
We've seen bold, dramatic, amazing, spectacular developments.
And I have to balance that on the scales and then look at the bad stuff Trump's doing.
And nine times out of ten, when something evil is put in a bill and we expose it, it's pulled and it wasn't Trump.
And that's why they want this broadcast off the air and others like it, because they know as a populist movement we are more powerful than all the corporate media combined.
And we're now able to control the agenda.
When they had the UN treaty legislation in the spending bill, when President Trump was just president elect, pressure shot that down.
A few weeks ago, when the BBB, they had the majority votes to put in a AI dictatorship.
for ten years above the law.
It got shot down and voted down 99 to 1.
Now they've got the Genius Act that has a central bank digital currency pathway in it that Trump says he opposes.
We'll shoot that down.
So the point is we've got traction.
We're winning.
dan friesen
If you're keeping score, what Alex is saying is that working with the devil is okay if it makes you win more.
If you get what you want, then it doesn't really matter if you cover up sex trafficking in order to enable it.
You'll notice this with folks like Alex.
Where when they're in opposition to the main institutional power structure, they're all about principle.
Shit is very simple and red lines are super easy to draw because they don't really matter.
Ron Paul can make all kinds of demands based on principle, and then when nothing gets done, everyone can just move along.
But when they're close to power, that reliance on principle gets replaced by a lot of ends justify the means rhetoric, a lot of you have to take the rough with the smooth kind of talk.
This happens because once the people they feel close to are in undeniable power, those red lines actually start to matter.
When Trump's supposed to have Kash Patel release the Epstein stuff on day one, there's no real reason for that that not to happen.
When Ron Paul wanted to abolish the Federal Reserve.
Everyone knew that wasn't happening and he didn't have the power to get it done.
But now all of the right people have the power that they're supposed to have in order to achieve the promised result.
They have to shift to this kind of approach because if they stayed with the principled angle, they would have to alienate themselves from their perceived closeness to power.
The Alex that was supposed to have existed for the last thirty years would never accept this kind of thing from a politician.
Trump literally said that people who still cared about Epstein were stupid on TV.
Alex, like it can't be more of a like you suck.
Yeah.
We like to imagine that the old Alex.
would never have put up with that.
But in reality, I strongly suspect that if Roger Stone had thought Alex was a worthwhile investment in 2000, there's a good chance Alex would never have been a Bush did 911 guy.
Like, I don't, I don't think it's crazy to think that, like, he never would have gone down the 911 route.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
If someone had just made him think Bush liked him.
jordan holmes
No, the only way to become something that Roger Stone could use is to fake it until they're ready for you and then you get the job.
Build up your thing and whole, like, persona, and then when that persona is useful to someone in power to lie with, bang, there you go.
dan friesen
And in 2000, it absolutely wasn't.
jordan holmes
No, nobody needed that shit.
No.
No.
dan friesen
He seemed like a volatile weirdo on public access.
jordan holmes
Then all of a sudden, out of nowhere, there's a 911 and then Iraq War and then a black president, popularity shoots to the moon.
dan friesen
Weird.
So you have to take, you have to balance this stuff.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
The stuff that Trump's really good at and the working with the devil thing.
jordan holmes
Do you?
dan friesen
Apparently.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
dan friesen
You have to put them on the scales and see what happens.?
And everyone else wants you to have like two D thinking about this.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But Alex will not fall into that trap.
jordan holmes
Right.
alex jones
I refuse to be a dumb wit.
I refuse to engage in unidimensional and two dimensional thinking.
I could oppose bad things Trump's doing all day long and try to get him back on track.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
While at the same time supporting the overwhelmingly good things he's doing.
jordan holmes
Can you?
alex jones
So many people, and this is the way the corporate media does it, want to make it a black and white issue or a left or right issue or you're either totally doing whatever Trump says or you're a traitor.
or if you do, if you support anything Trump does, you're, you're bad.
And that's why stuff with Trump coming out over and over again last week.
Don't question Epstein or you're with the Democrats and you're an idiot and I'm done with you and we don't want you in our movement.
People say, well, he didn't write that truth social post and then he goes out and press conferences and says basically the exact same thing.
That is horrible.
But then out of the other side of his mouth, oh, they're going to appoint a special prosecutor, probably Ed Martin.
Great on the Epstein thing.
And so my frustration is the handling of this.?
When Trump came out Sunday, seven days in, and went, Comey, Brennan, and Clapper all had this file for decades.
They filled it full of disinformation.
It's another Russia hoax.
Because Trump didn't know, yeah, we're going to release it.
They go raid it.
Democrats wouldn't turn it over, but they probably leaked on themselves.
They get it.
And there's a bunch of unsubstantiated crap in there.
Guaranteed it'll be the five Jane Doe's that all turned out to be fake, saying Trump raped them and stuff.
It turned out those were all fake.
Remember that?
It's guaranteed FBI files on that.
That's what it is.
And I've been thinking that the last four or five days and I made some mistakes.
I've been here for four or five days and I've made some calls and people go, how do you know this?
We're not going to confirm that to you, but how the hell do you know that?
So that's it.
And it's not hard to know that.
What did they try before?
What did they do before?
dan friesen
Alex is really screwing himself over with this narrative and he doesn't seem to realize or care.
Like if the globalists can manipulate the Epstein files to try to set up Trump, then why couldn't the Trump people manipulate them to set up Democrats?
jordan holmes
Hmm.
dan friesen
If some piece of evidence ever does get produced about, let's say, Bill Gates, why should anyone take it seriously?
Alex has just invalidated the font from which this comes.
jordan holmes
But seeing you ask some very basic questions, I can understand now why Trump said, don't ask any more questions.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
That makes sense.
dan friesen
They're really tough.
jordan holmes
You don't want to answer them.
dan friesen
And what Alex is doing, I believe, is a move in the direction of nihilism.
And I think it's counterproductive for someone in Alex's position.
It's gratifying in the short term to get him out of this bind with Trump being really suspicious about Epstein, but it doesn't have legs.
So it's a gamble that depends on people moving on from the Epstein stuff.
If the base moves on, then Alex can play this game and move on too.
But if they don't, Trump keeps saying this indefensible stuff, then Alex is boxing himself into a position where he has to make excuses for that indefensible stuff Trump is saying.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It would be far better for him to bail because what has a potential to happen after this point is like Ghislaine Maxwell going to another, like a cushy prison.
jordan holmes
Love it.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
How is he going to spend that?
jordan holmes
By having a lot of fun.
Right.
And going to the prison with her.
dan friesen
Trump saying that Epstein stole one of his victims.
jordan holmes
I don't you know what he's going to do?
Here's what's fun.
Here's what's fun about the little things that these guys reveal because they're stupid.
Right.
If your problem is with his handling of this.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
If you don't like this, right, then your problem is he either didn't lie right or didn't lie enough or both.
Or both to people.
Who they nominally like by handling it.
What they mean is your base will continue to like you, right?
So if you tell the truth and your base doesn't like you, then you're saying that handling is only successful if it's a good lie.
So you're saying, I don't like how they handle this is saying, I wish these people would lie to these idiots better.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's how we operate.
dan friesen
That's a big part sort of problematic thing where like, this is not really out of the ordinary for Trump.
Like Alex is saying, the handling of it is a problem as a kid.
This is how he handles a lot of shit.
He just runs out and calls people losers.
jordan holmes
How does it not occur to you that it is an insult to your friends to say that they are being handled appropriately?
Oh, he's handling you.
You're not smart enough to see through his bullshit.
He's handling you appropriately.
dan friesen
Yeah, he usually just doesn't yell at you.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And you're being yelled at now.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So, why does he make me look stupid?
Because you are.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So what do you think about that P tape?
jordan holmes
The old P tape that we remember from the past, the one that seems fairly likely to be at least basically true.
dan friesen
See, this is the issue that I have.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't think I've ever really fully doubted that it's possible.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That it exists.
jordan holmes
It's more important that it's that I'm not doubting it.
That's what's more important.
Whether it exists or not means nothing.
It's that it could.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm not going to stake a solid position on yay or nay on it.
Yeah.
But I will say that listening to this clip made me think, oh, it's probably real.
Uh oh.
I think Alex is convincing me.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
alex jones
Long before they tried to implicate Trump in all this crap, I know a lot of people that know him, including Roger Stone, and I asked him about New York Times articles in the nineties, and I told people they're very close to Trump, and I already knew Trump's proclivities.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
alex jones
And Trump, actually, this is a big secret.
About fifteen years ago, he actually went and did operant conditioning training for a while.
I don't know the details.
To be able to shake people's hands.
Because he's such a germophobe, neat freak.
It's come out before he was even political that he was a germophobe.
And I learned his proclivities.
Let's just leave it from that, from a lot of people.
And the type of women he likes and, you know, all of it and what he does.
So I research people before I get behind him.
And so yes, it's absolute total crap.
Yeah, Donald Trump's going to land in Moscow or St. Petersburg and go to a hotel and have women he doesn't even know piss on him.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
When Trump instructs, you know, tells his wives and when he's in a divorce, girlfriends.
You got your side of the house, you got your bathroom.
I don't want any, you know.
I knew this before they ever said the piss thing.
Trump doesn't like his wife or anybody, because you're married, your wife will sit out and piss in front of you, and I'll piss in front of my wife.
But Trump is so, Trump is so neat freak, he doesn't want to see his wife.
That's like, I don't want to see you in the bathroom.
So they come out with he wants to be peed on.
He's the complete opposite.
He loves golden furniture and crisp golf courses and has his staff sitting there.
jordan holmes
And showers.
alex jones
And steam and vacuum.um his suit on the plane while he's writing memos.
The guy washes his hands like fifty times a day.
But no, he's being pissed on.
dan friesen
So your argument about why Trump can't be weird about piss is because he's weird about piss.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
See, whenever people have an extreme reaction to something, there's no way that sometimes sexually that can turn into the opposite of such.
dan friesen
It's something that can happen.
No, I don't think so.
It's not a one to one, it's not always the case, but definitely can happen.
I'm fascinated by Alex's need to be like, he's afraid of P. He doesn't even like seeing a P. You're missing the whole problem with the tape.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Nobody's problem is the P. I'm fine with the P. Sure.
Pea on people.
Whatever.
If that's your thing, great.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You can't look online for longer than an hour without seeing someone pee on someone else.
That's just a fact.
dan friesen
Ooh, that might be, that might be, I mean, hey, listen, that might be your, hey, listen, I'm just saying, you're paying for the guy.
I can't spend an hour online, Googling people.
jordan holmes
Here's what I'm doing, handling people appropriately.
dan friesen
Yeah, no, it's a hand, it's a.
handling issue.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Trump's handling this poorly and Alex is handling this poorly.
jordan holmes
And the way that you're talking about it isn't like, hey man, if he gets pete on, he gets pete on, no big deal.
Here's a problem.
He's doing it in a random Moscow hotel and he might become president one day.
That's a problem, but even if there's no pete, even if it's just regular sex, that's still a problem.
dan friesen
Yeah, I guess.
I don't even really care about anything of it.
jordan holmes
No, I agree.
dan friesen
I just think that it's fascinating that Alex can't not care.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Like, he can't just be like., are we like, let's not talk about this dumb piss tape any more.
Exactly.
He has to have these elaborate explanations and secret information about Trump and what he does with his wives.
jordan holmes
Also, seriously, there's only two ways that I know a person occasionally likes to be peed on.
And that's if when I ask them, hey, do you occasionally like to be peed on?
They go, yeah.
Or they go, no, never, not once.
In fact, I'd love the opposite of being peed on.
Being peed on sounds disgusting to me.
I can't think of any grounds where I'd like to be peed on.
dan friesen
Yeah, to me, this, Alex has made me more suspicious.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that's great, he's doing his job.
So, you know, this is a guy who hates federal law enforcement.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
He's a state's rights guy.
Right, he's super into the, he's against the police state.
jordan holmes
Right, unless they're slave catchers.
dan friesen
Yeah, kind of.
And if they have quotas and Trump is in charge.
jordan holmes
I mean, that's great.
alex jones
I look at that and I look at a 96 percent drop in in smuggling across the border, they basically cut it off.
I'm really blown away that it's that successful, very impressive.
I mean, these federal agents are not sitting around playing ping pong or eating donuts.
And I've seen it from my sources that they are just 18 hour days, maximum output, guzzling energy drinks, just operating on testosterone and adrenaline.
And because Trump has told them through their bosses, you got quotas, you do it or you're fired.
You get massive arrests and massive kids saved, you get bonuses, you get promotions, you get overtime, you get everything.
So, I mean, you watch these raids.
I've seen them outside the office, ran into one a few weeks ago.
I mean, these feds are just running around like hunting dogs, just rabbing, just rabbing.
I mean, it's, I mean, it's, I mean, this is What you're supposed to see going on is it real energy so I mean I drove in the office like two weeks ago I told the story I didn't want to get out in the middle of it and I mean I'm talking 300 yards from the door to the office they got a Fed vehicle and then you got a state police they're backing them up and the feds are wearing masks and they're literally running back and forth and
they're packing like six people out of the back of this truck, a king cab truck, and they're illegal, it looks like illegal alien males and the feds because I pulled over the park and I wanted to watch them for about five minutes, were just running back and forth and just checking them.
It was like they were speeded up or something.
You know, like you watch those Kung Fu movies and they speed up the fighting.
I was just like, good God, running around like Piranhas.
So I don't know what they're giving them.
So this is a change.
The bad guys hate Trump.
dan friesen
That sounds awful.
That all sounds very awful.
jordan holmes
I never want to hear about Waco again for as long as I live.
Go fuck yourself.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Based on what you're saying, all of those people could have been shot in the head.
and you wouldn't give a fuck.
dan friesen
You shouldn't.
jordan holmes
Yeah, fuck off.
dan friesen
If you're okay with this, I mean, that's absurd.
Yeah, Alex's like, his telling of this story is like they look like illegals.
Yeah.
That's the only evidence you have to justify why they're being treated like piranhas is okay.
That is, you're telling on yourself.
jordan holmes
Everyone like this, but this is the problem with the past.
The past is a real piece of shit like this because things that are true also work retroactively.
Like everything that everybody said about the fucking Bundies doesn't count anymore.
Go fuck yourselves because this shit is truee now, then it's true retrospectively.
Yeah, and you're always finding it.
dan friesen
Unless you are one, I don't know who would be an example of this, but someone who really, really cared about the Bundies and now is aggressively opposed to this.
jordan holmes
Must be.
dan friesen
Yeah.
If that person exists, then I suppose.
jordan holmes
So yeah, you have more power to you for follow through.
dan friesen
Yeah.
You've got consistency and good for you.
jordan holmes
Follow through is at this point in time, honestly, even if it's not great, follow through seems better than whatever it is I'm dealing with all these fucks doing.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's impressive in its own way.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex is like, he's, he's, you know, trying to get to this place where like, everything is fine.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Trump's cool now.
Yeah.
And I think he's kind of saying on air like, Hey Trump, thanks for clearing this up.
jordan holmes
Oh my God.
dan friesen
Thanks for giving us talking points.
alex jones
Oh my God.
I said this last week.
I said, you know, they really indict the globalist and keep saving the kids and all that and keep the border shut down.
In aggregate, it's, you know, thousands of times, a hundred thousand times bigger than Epstein's intelligence operation.
If for whatever reason, then the resources or it's old cases or whatever, I, people are not going to buy it, but I understand it.
unidentified
I understand the thinking.
alex jones
But for God's sakes, don't tell us that it never existed and these aren't the droids you're looking for.
Move along.
Just please.
You cannot say something worse to make everybody think you're guilty, Mr. President.
And I know you're pissed off.
Well, thank God you started telling us on Sunday, oh no, it's Brennan, it's Clapper, it's Comey, which did control the following record.
That's already known.
And of course they would do something like that.
I mean, I don't even think it's a question.
Of course they did.
dan friesen
Alex is effectively just thanking Trump for telling him what to say.
After a rocky start of a few days, Trump gave Alex something that he could work with when he lashed out against crooked Hillary, and Alex thinks that this is good enough to work.
Another interesting thing here is that Alex is trying to make a deal with the audience.
If they can just ignore this, if they can just literally.
Yeah, if they can just look the other way on this, then everyone gets to pretend that Trump is solving an even bigger evil problem.
Right.
And maybe in the end that balances out.
jordan holmes
Doesn't it?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Doesn't the imaginary ultimately trump the other imaginary?
dan friesen
It certainly does.
And so I think that Alex is like, okay, Trump, you could have, like, if there was message discipline.
We could have just gone with this from the start and we could have solved a lot of problems.
Right.
Instead, you had to be a dick.
jordan holmes
I mean, that's that's one of the things that they fucking they love that shit of like that forty chess and stuff like this.
And it's like, man, sometimes it's just either the truth or not true.
Sometimes the messaging is less important than if he had just gone, Here it is.
Right?
And if he doesn't go, Here it is.
That is an answer that's more important than anything that you might think about handling it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And I think even on top of that, little hat to put on top of that is if he's like, Hey, you're stupid for asking questions about this.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's that goes beyond the one's doing it or not.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I wouldn't have done that one.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Fucking mess.
jordan holmes
That's bad handling.
dan friesen
So there's big news out of the HHS Department of Health and Human Services.
jordan holmes
They've hired everyone back and they exist again.
dan friesen
No.
unidentified
Oh shit.
alex jones
You've got Kennedy purging the big government corporate run Pfizer, Eli Lilly, Johnson and Johnson boards putting in patriots and real scientists.
You've got them firing more people today that are globalists.
We'll be getting to that.
Maha Jacob, HHS Secretary R. K. junior fires two times top staffers and appoints new acting chief of staff, it's on.
dan friesen
So that's a great headline for Alex, but it's not true.
Kennedy did fire two people that day, but they were his chief of staff and deputy chief of staff for policy.
These were Heather Flick Mellinson and Hannah Anderson respectively, and neither of them were big pharma plants in the department.
They were directly hired by Kennedy himself in January.
At the time of her appointment, Politico reported that Mellinson's choice as chief of staff for HHS was an indication that Trump was looking to keep an eye on what Kennedy was up to because she's a Trump loyalist.
She was in the HHS in Trump's first term, so it was generally understood that she was a proxy to make sure that Kennedy didn't go too far off script and do things that were actually threatening to the business interests that support Trump.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Hannah Anderson was also a Trump loyalist and generally just a staunch anti abortion activist.
No one really has an issue with Kennedy firing or replacing these people that he's hired.
He has the right to staff his office how he sees fit.
But the reason that this is even a headline is because he fired two highly positioned people in the department, and some of the circumstances around it could look like it signifies a break between Trump and Kennedy.
And the media loves to report on that kind of stuff.
jordan holmes
Love it.
dan friesen
And so that's why this is a headline.
Alex is, he knows nothing about this.
He's reading a headline and telling a story.
Yeah, that's ridiculous.
And part of that is because he's confusing this with news from a month prior when Kennedy fired the whole advisory committee for immunization practices and replaced them with dipsets like Robert Malone.
So he's kind of just assuming this is more of the same.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's a fair assumption.
In his, in his minimal defense, it is a fair assumption that when you see one of these people firing someone, it's for some made up, dumb reason.
dan friesen
Yeah, and you can pass it off as, he's like, he's firing more globalists.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I got him.
They're because I have autism.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Go to sleep, audience.
I'm handling you.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'm handling you by telling you everyone's a globalist.
jordan holmes
You guys are the smart people who can see through all the bullshit.
And now I'm going to lie directly to your faces.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex talks about child labor and how the New York Times even had to come out and talk about it.
But they did it as a cover up.
They talked about it, but it was a cover up.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
Remember three years ago, the New York Times, just to cover its ass, did a couple of big reports with thousands of children as young as nine on average fourteen in the United States.
And tire factories, cereal factories, grain processing factories, textile plants.
And nothing against the North and places like Michigan and Illinois, but the North?
You notice you don't ever see this in the South just because there's still Christian values and there's some of it but not much.
It's in Illinois.
It's in Michigan.
It's in California.
And they're raping these kids too.
And they're not even going to school.
They're sleeping on m matches.
jordan holmes
So if there's anything that the South is famous for, it is not exploiting labor.
No.
That is their number, the number one thing I think of.
When I think of the South, I think, whoa, good thing those people never exploited people.
dan friesen
Christian values.
jordan holmes
Christian values.
dan friesen
So the New York Times has actually done a ton of articles about companies exploiting child labor.
In many cases, immigrant children who were made to work in dangerous conditions.
It's not just in the North where people have abandoned Christian values.
It's a longstanding, disgusting trend that's been allowed to go on because addressing the problem would involve punishing big businesses, and that goes against American values.
Paying people decent wages will attract qualified and appropriate workers to fill the jobs you need filled, but that also cuts down on profits.
So you can get around that by getting a ton of your labor from subcontracting companies who technically are the ones who are the employers of these people who are then being leased to you to do work.
You get someone to fill your position and you get to have plausible deniability if the people working in your factory aren't legally allowed to work.
Therefore, you protect yourself from any of the consequences you insulate the business.
jordan holmes
Wild how that very obvious thing you're doing somehow still works.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Republican lawmakers are strongly behind allowing this to continue, and one of the harsher examples of this is Sarah Huckabee Sanders, governor of Arkansas and Trump's former press secretary signing a bill in twenty twenty three that got rid of the requirement for children under sixteen to get a workers permit to get a job.
That requirement forced employers to verify a worker's age and make sure that their parents signed off on them working, but the GOP in Arkansas just got rid of that.
So to put it as simply as possible, Alex is a full fledged supporter of the team that is actively pushing for more child labor.
And he can do all this sensational shit around it that he wants, but his policies and the people he supports will lead to far more child labor exploitation.
jordan holmes
See, now this is what you say, but the man wants to bring back coal mines.
Are you telling me that there's a risk of exploiting children in small, tight spaces like that?
dan friesen
Uh huh.
jordan holmes
Oh my God, that's crazy.
Now, next thing you know, we're going to have a bunch of looms eating children.
Yeah, boah.
dan friesen
Yeah, I I just don't know how to put it more simply.
He gets his way.
There will be a lot of kids who are working in dangerous conditions.
jordan holmes
Who needs fingers when you're nine?
dan friesen
Right?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's, you know what, it's the nanny state.
jordan holmes
It's the nanny state.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You're totally right.
dan friesen
So, um, one of the issues that Alex clearly is trying to move attention from the state.
From Trump's Epstein stuff over to Yeah.
Is the California fires?
Sure.
And the rebuilding effort on that.
alex jones
The article's up on infowars dot com with the video from John Bowen.
Another conspiracy theory comes true.
California bill passes to buy fire rabbage palisades for low-income apartments and pay you a fraction of what your property's worth.
They have issued, get ready for this, out of tens of thousands of homes destroyed, less than ten permits to rebuild.
But you remember the press conference back in January, late January, right when Trump came in with the communist mayor, I mean, she mentioned she's a communist, work for Cuba intelligence agency, Bass.
And people say, We haven't been given permits.
We need to be able to get in there.
And she goes, Oh, you'll get permits this week.
They've issued eight permits.
dan friesen
The bill that they're talking about doesn't do what Alex and John Bowen are claiming.
It includes a provision for the county of LA to purchase lots at a fair price and rebuild stuff that's in the public interest, like infrastructure or possibly affordable housing.
No one has to sell their lots.
And I'm not saying that this isn't something that could be taken advantage of and, you know, it's not necessarily a good thing, but it's not what Alex is describing.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Where they're just going to buy up your shit.
Sure.
From an NBC Los Angeles article published on July 8th, the county had received 1207 requests to rebuild, but they had only issued 90 permits at that time.
In that clip, Alex cited two completely incorrect numbers because he's just making this shit up.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Ten permits and then eight a little bit later.
jordan holmes
It's about the same.
dan friesen
So that number, the 90 out of 1207, that only reflects the requestests made to unincorporated LA County.
The LA Department of Building and Safety had received 360 requests and approved 70.
In an effort to make this process move more quickly, Gavin Newsom exempted fire building projects, the rebuilding projects from the fire.
He exempted them from the twenty twenty five building code standards, only requiring that they follow the twenty twenty two code, but it's still taking like fifty days for permits to be approved, which is too long.
But it's also not nearly what Alex is saying.
It sucks, and I'm sure that I don't know what the answer is to make it go more quickly, but I'm confident that it's not just lying about the situation in order to build conspiracy theories to distract the audience from Trump's mishandling of XD.
But like, it's nuts.
Those numbers are from nine days before this episode that Alex is recording.
He's just making shit up.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
You know what you could do?
And here's what I've learned from the movie Weapons, right?
Find a rich person's house, maybe brainwashing, maybe not, not important.
But you can fit a bunch of people in the basement.
Just go live in the basement.
unidentified
Hmm.
jordan holmes
You don't have a home, right?
Those rich people probably don't even live there.
It's probably empty.
Go live in their basement.
dan friesen
I don't think people were living comfortably in that basement.
jordan holmes
I mean, you know, but I mean, you got fifty days to wait for the permit, so it's better than Okay.
You know?
dan friesen
Sure.
Yeah.
Maybe that's what the movie was about.
jordan holmes
I think that's what the movie was about.
If these kids need a place to stay, keep them in the basement.
It makes sense.
dan friesen
So Alex is he's really trying to move the focus over to the communist mayor of LA.
Yeah.
Not letting anyone rebuild.
And he remembered that press conference.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
in the last clip.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And so he has one of the producers pull it up.
Okay.
And I think it's pretty interesting.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
But see, it's the perfect crime.
Drain the reservoir.
Don't send the fire trucks that night.
They said, we didn't send extra fire firearms, we sent them the next morning.
That's on record.
And everything else they did, not trimming the brush for years, the fire department begging for it, cutting the fire department, cutting DEI people, they're totally incompetent in charge, so they know what's going on.
And then administratively burning that sucker to the ground.
And then I said, he's going to appoint a task force, I'm at the head, he's going to declare a disaster, he's above the law, and they're going to build compact 15-minute city, high rises, 200-foot coffin apartments, because that's in the UNESG.
And now it's all been announced.
exactly as I said.
unidentified
Aye.
alex jones
Here is the clip back from six months ago, Herwood Trump saying, yeah, we're going to give you the permits right away.
And of course, it was all a lie.
Here it is.
karen bass
We're bringing our city departments together so that people don't get caught in the loop of going from one room to the next.
We want them all to be in the same room so that you can get busy rebuilding ASAP.
Absolutely.
Yes.
unidentified
Yes.
karen bass
And we will clear the lots.
Absolutely.
In the city and in the county, we are working together, both levels of government are working in unity.
matt-2 in ohio
Yesterday night, the four engineers had to be 80 months.
unidentified
Is it not 80 months?
Is it like we that's the answer we got and that's what we're all hanging on.
Yes.
jordan holmes
So if you're telling us now faster, is it six months?
unidentified
Is it I mean, all of our lives, rents, all this stuff is weighing on this.
donald j trump
Six months is no good.
karen bass
And the number one thing that we are going to do immediately, and you will see this happen, is to clear out the debris.
And you know, we're concerned right now over the weekend because of the potential rain, but we are going to move as fast as as we can, but we want you to be safe.
And we want you to be back in your homes immediately.
donald j trump
But the people are willing to clean out their own debris.
karen bass
It doesn't cost us anything.
donald j trump
You should let them do it because by the time you hire contractors, it's going to be two years.
unidentified
If a family people are willing to get are you negotiating with me right now?
donald j trump
And do it themselves and clean it out.
karen bass
And they can.
donald j trump
There's not that much left.
It's all incinerated.
karen bass
That's right.
donald j trump
And, you know, it's just going to take a long time if you can do some of it, but a lot of these people I know that guy right there that's talking.
I know my people.
You'll throw the stuff away and your site will look perfect within 24 hours and that's what he wants to do.
He doesn't want to wait around for seven months till the city hires some demolition contractor and it's going to charge your money 25,000 dollars to do his lot.
I think you have emergency powers just like I do, and I'm exercising my emergency powers.
You have to exercise them also.
karen bass
I did exercise them.
donald j trump
Because I look, I mean, you have a very powerful emergency power and you can do everything within 24 hours.
unidentified
Yes.
karen bass
And if individuals want to clear out their property, they can.
Yes, but you know that you will be able to go back soon, Mr. President.
We think within a week that's a long time a week.
donald j trump
I'll be honest.
To me, everyone standing in front of their house, they want to go to work and they're not allowed to do it.
karen bass
And the most important thing is that people are safe.
donald j trump
They're safe.
They're safe.
You know what?
They're not safe.
They're not safe now.
dan friesen
So Alex thought that clip was Trump and LA Mayor Bass arguing about how long it would take to get permits to rebuild after the fire.
But it was actually about the speed with which people could begin cleaning debris.
The reason that I think this clip is really important is because how Trump's mind shifts and the argument changes because he's a baby who's throwing a tanker.
Bass is discussing the timetable and logistics for when properties will be cleared so people can return to their homes.
And Trump first tries to pick a fight about how people just want to clean up the debris themselves.
They don't want to wait for the government to do it for them.
They're good, hard working people who just want to roll their sleeves up.
Bass tries to calmly explain to him that people can do that if they want.
They don't have to rely on the city or the county to remove the debris, but as it turns out, of the twelve thousand forty eight properties destroyed in the fire, the owners of nine thousand eight hundred seventy three of them decided to rely on the government's public cleanup program.
nineteen hundred and eighty two chose to do the cleanup themselves and nothing was stopping them from making that choice.
However, in the immediate aftermath of the fires, people were not allowed to go back to their homes, largely because of very easy to understand safety risks.
In the moment, Trump has lashed out and whined about how people should be allowed to clean up their own lots and not rely on the government, and Bass has tried to explain to him that they can.
She's like a teacher trying to deal with a child who's angry about a non existent problem.
Trump instinctively knows that he's lost at this point and he looks dumb, but he's also still angry, so he can't just say, okay, well, I'm glad everyone can choose whether or not to clean up their own property.
He has to wait for the next thing that Bass says and complain about that and pretend that that was the thing that he was really mad about.
This is a huge part of Trump's allure and part of what he and Alex share, which is the steadfast refusal to acknowledge being wrong and the will to just keep talking.
It's all about momentum.
It almost doesn't matter what he's saying to Bass, but folks like Alex will just see this and celebrate the fact that he kept being a dick to her.
He didn't let being wrong keep him down.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
He just still kept punching.
jordan holmes
Yep, and what's most important is that she gave up.
dan friesen
Yeah, or acted like an adult.
Or acted like an adult.
Yeah.
Like, you know.
jordan holmes
Up to her.
Yeah.
dan friesen
No, I'm, but, like, I think in the moment, a lot of people probably wouldn't be able to really even recognize that, like, I have made my point, you have made a dumb rebuttal, and we're talking about something else now.
Like, we've moved on from this point, but you're pretending that we're still in the same argument.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, most, I think, I think someone in Bass's position probably is used to dealing with, like, people who are operating as adults.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, this isn't.
But I mean, that's why they lost.
That's why everyone lost.
That's it.
So, I mean, I guess keep doing it.
dan friesen
I guess the alternative is you just have to treat babies like adults.
I guess.
Well, not literal babies, but metaphor babies, Trump babies.
Anyway, this episode takes a turn for the worse.
jordan holmes
Sounds right.
dan friesen
Alex has a guest who is going to come up, named the old John Kariaku.
He's a FBI, CIA whistleblower, fella.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Clearly paying for time on the show.
He's coming on, and Alex has seen him on some other shows talking about how Israel is taking over the United States.
Okay.
unidentified
And so now that's a real angle of what we're doing.
alex jones
John Kiriakou is former head of counter terrorism, CIA, in Afghanistan and other countries.
Very famous, very prestigious, very documented what he said was true, exposing illegal torture programs and more.
I've interviewed him a few times and he did a great job, but he has been on fire with Patrick Ben David and Tucker Carlson on Israel really trying to take over the United States, not just foreign policy, and so much more.
So very impressed.
And again, he's not anti-Israel folks.
And I want to be clear, I don't say that as like wink, wink, dog whistle, I love Hitler, you know, but oh, I don't really hate all the Jews.
It's just the Zionist crap.
unidentified
It's just the Zionist crap.
alex jones
I'm a somewhat of a historian.
dan friesen
Somewhat of a historian.
jordan holmes
Fuck off.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, somewhat is a very heavy word in this equation here.
dan friesen
I think if you take it seriously that you're not dog whistling and trying to hide beliefs behind this kind of shit, you really have a responsibility not to hang out with and promote people who are and are very explicit about how that's what they're doing.
And I think that Alex, he does not pass that test.
jordan holmes
Okay, so here's my question, right?
Israel, they take over.
Ah, we've been taken over by Israel.
But I mean, but what does that look like?
What does that mean?
Do we, do all churches close?
dan friesen
I mean, to people in the more extreme ends of Alex's audience, I think they probably think that that's happened a long time ago.
jordan holmes
Sure, but I mean, like you don't even have enough people to administer a local government.
Israel government, if you're Israel, you can't possibly deal with a bureaucracy the size of the United States.
You're a country of like ten million people.
You would need more than that to run the government.
dan friesen
Sure.
And that's where blackmail comes in.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Okay, fair.
dan friesen
I have no idea.
jordan holmes
Okay, I'm just saying that there's no like I get it that it's scary, but also that there's nothing to do.
dan friesen
Well, sure, but I mean, like, how many globalists were there in Alex's conception?
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
I mean, it changes.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
A lot.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But I mean, you have like the Council of Twelve.
jordan holmes
I've been in that.
They've been in the back burner for a long time.
dan friesen
But that's a really small amount of people.
jordan holmes
That isn't many.
dan friesen
Right.
So I mean, you can, you know, people, motivated folks can get things done.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I guess.
dan friesen
So Alex is, he's, you know, talking about how he's going to have this guy on and he's complaining a lot about Israel and Jews.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
A bit interchangeably and unfortunately, he starts complaining about how everyone thinks that he's antisemitic and he doesn't do a great job of convincing me otherwise.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
If I could hit a button right now and send all the Jews to Mars, I wouldn't do it.
But at the same time, I am extremely sick of the ADL and the left and just my whole career on air being called anti Semitic if I say there's globalist and there's a World Bank and the Federal Reserve is private.
Oh, that's a secret code word for Jews.
Well, I mean the Rothschilds, when they set up the Federal Reserve was the only audit owned something like eighty percent of the shares in it.
So yeah, Jews own the Federal Reserve.
Okay, you can't own something that's shadowy and basically runs things and then get mad if I say Jews control the Federal Reserve.
I mean, again, it's a fact.
dan friesen
Okay, so I think Alex defeated his own argument.
there.
He's like, yeah, I don't, you know, I can't be called anti Semitic when I say globalists, but now the Jews do run the center of the globalist power structure, so I guess I guess I am kind of Semitic.
jordan holmes
I was using coded language before, but now that I think about it, I was using coded language before.
donald j trump
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Maybe I should just use regular language.
dan friesen
It's fucking crazy, these kinds of thoughts spilling out of his head.
jordan holmes
I'm a huge fan of this benchmark for racism.
unidentified
Mm.
jordan holmes
Would I send all of them to the moon?
dan friesen
I think that's a specific ben callback to a conversation he had with Nick Fuentes.
Right.
Nick said He would.
jordan holmes
Right.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So he's trying to be like, well, I mean, Nick's really, really antisemitic.
Right.
I'm not moon Jews.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I'm going to tell you something.
I'm going to tell you something right now.
It doesn't matter if you send all of them to the moon or just one of them, if it's for the crime of being Jewish.
dan friesen
Yeah.
The intent is Yeah.
Important.
jordan holmes
That one's the hard part.
dan friesen
So Alex, I think, reveals a little bit too much.
And I think that one of the things that he reveals is I think he's jealous of Israel.
alex jones
And that's a whole other thing.
I can't sit there and watch Israel be an ethnostate.
jordan holmes
And not Miss Rhodes.
alex jones
Well, Jews can't marry non Jews in Israel.
And I'm like, fine, you're allowed to have an ethnic State.
I'm not even saying people can't have that.
But then if some white Christians just want to be white separatists and preserve their culture, the ADL, the Jewish lobby and all of that attacks them and says they're Nazis, well why do you get to have an ethnic State and white people can't?
Oh boy.
jordan holmes
I mean, this is like a good National Men's Day conversation.
This is one of those really good, like, I understand that you think, aha, my answer that there's no National Men's Day will defeat you.
But in fact there is., and I think if you really dig down into a lot of countries, you'll see a lot of white ethnostates.
If you really look for them.
dan friesen
Sure.
But I also think that something that's fascinating about this is like making an argument like this reveals more about you than it does about the United States, about Israel, about anything.
jordan holmes
No, it's about fairness.
I want a national if there's a national women's day, all these women having days, right?
Then there should be a national men's day.
And I think the same thing is true for ethnostates.
unidentified
Cool.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Great.
Yeah.
So Alex brings up some memories.
And I think that this John Kyuryaku guy, I think he's in maybe, maybe a little bit of an orientation period, a feel out process to be the new Steve Pocenick.
jordan holmes
Okay, all right, we're auditions.
dan friesen
I think so.
Because he has like this intelligence background, he has some kind of appearance of credibility.
Whistleblower is clearly interested in talking to Alex.
He wants to push his agenda on Alex, which he's fine with.
And so I think Alex is thinking about Steve.
jordan holmes
And he probably wants to pay more than Steve.
dan friesen
Maybe, I don't know.
Steve had a nice Florida condo, right?
Anyway, he Alex, I think he's thinking of Steve.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
And of course, Hitler double crossed them all at the end.
That's why Madeline Albright's dad, one of the main Jews running the operations, the Nazis rounding up Jews, he was at the top.
Soros was at the bottom.
If you had people like Steve Pachinick, who's Jewish or half Jewish, I guess the dad's Catholic, the mom is Jewish, that makes him Jewish.
High level CIA at the time, a long time ago.
Really smart guy.
But he would go off on it all day long about how the Jewish leadership made a deal with Hitler and all this and knew about the persecution coming and had a deal to send to Palestine.
But in the middle of it, the Germans lost control of North Africa and the Middle East and they said, no, you're just going to kill all of you know.
And then they, of course, rounded up even in Paris, one of the Rothschilds was running a bank with all the stolen Jewish money they took from their own people.
Wow.
They killed them.
So it's true, even a couple of Rothschilds got killed.
Oh, you mean Hitler double crossed you?
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
You got out criminal.
Rothschild, try this.
Try this, try this game.
Rothschild bad, Hitler bad.
See, you're not supposed to go Rothschild good, Hitler bad, or Hitler good, Rothschild bad.
No, Rothschild bad, Hitler bad.
See how that works?
Cyanide bad, arsenic bad.
It's bad to be shot with a shotgun.
It's bad to be shot with a 37 Magnum in the head.
dan friesen
If Alex wants to bring up stuff that Steve used to tell him, then he should probably also remind the audience why Steve isn't allowed on the show anymore.
Steve wouldn't stop going along with the QAnon type narratives about how the 2020 election was run with watermarked ballots and that Trump would be installed as president any day now.
And it just didn't work for the direction Alex's content was going.
In order to navigate out of that kind of trouble, Alex decided that Steve was still working for intelligence agencies and was feeding him misinformation.
Essentially, he was a globalist trying to distract Alex and his audience with this fake hope so they wouldn't do the hard work of trying to support Trump in his real battles.
If that's possibly true, then it should call for a full scale reassessment of the other things that Steve has brought into the mythology of info wars, but that audit is more elusive than the one Alex wants to do on the Federal Reserve.
What he's spouting here is just antisemitic trash, and I can't really imagine that Alex doesn't understand that.
He's really gone out of his way to avoid being too explicit about a about a lot of this stuff in the past for a reason, and it's because he's aware of that large section of his audience that are just straight up Nazis waiting for him to come out.
When Alex said earlier that he wasn't dog whistling, he was doing that because he knows that a bunch of his friends like Nick are, and it caters to a specific part of his audience.
It's great that Alex thinks he's operating on some higher level by saying that Hitler and the Rothschilds are bad, but he's actually just infantilizing this issue by pretending that there's an equivalent scare.
And it's bad.
It's real bad.
And I don't think that it's not things that he's thought name all the things that are bad and equalize them with Hitler.
jordan holmes
Traffic.
Traffic bad.
Hitler bad.
dan friesen
In traffic.
jordan holmes
Many people are saying that Hitler good.
Traffic bad.
Traffic good.
Hitler bad.
You can do both.
See, these are the same things really, so if you're complaining about the Holocaust, you're really just complaining about traffic.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Honestly.
dan friesen
And I think that Alex is trying to play that game where he's acting like this is some kind of complex higher level thinking that he's engaged in and it's not, it's baby shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, I will say that I agree with Alex about one important point that he makes is not a closet racist.
And that's because there is no closet.
alex jones
I mean, Soros is still alive and was helping round up Jews for the Nazis.
And I'm just like, and then you fun groups call me a Nazi?
Fuck off, man.
Because I know all about Hitler and don't compare me to you and your boss.
That's why the Nazis don't lie to me because they love Hugo Boss uniforms and the formations and the geometry and the architecture.
And it makes them feel powerful to see a bunch of mainly homosexual men in black uniforms marching around.
Oh yeah, the Nazis were just., come on, come on.
I just know too much.
Just like Niles Barkley says, I have gone crazy.
I just know too much.
jordan holmes
Just like Niles Barkley.
alex jones
So no, I'm not a closed anti black person.
I'm not a closed anti Hispanic.
I'm not a closed anti Jew.
But what I am is openly against racist black people, and that's not even most of them, but they're out there, and I will not bow to them, and I won't bow to Jews trying to make me feel guilty to them, and I'm not going to bow to anyone, and I'm proud to be white.
And there's only seven percent of the world that's white, and there's all these movements to not be white and don't have a white wife.
And I mean, hell, if you love somebody of this other color, I'm attracted to people of all colors.
But my point is, is it by always telling me it's bad that I'm white all day, I'm like, well, hell, I better get some more white babies around here.
jordan holmes
Is that what you think?
alex jones
Polar bears would go extinct.
dan friesen
Yeah, man.
So anyway, I agree entirely that Alex is not a closet racist.
There never was a closet.
It's, it's, uh, no.
This is not a racist.
jordan holmes
I'm not a Nazi.
I know Hitler.
I've studied Hitler.
I know exactly what he's doing.
And that's why whenever I say that ICE is going to these places, tearing people from their homes and then putting them in pins, I'm telling you that I don't like Hitler.
dan friesen
Yeah, because you know, Hitler, he just liked shapes and gay uniforms.
jordan holmes
He was just, you know what?
That's the problem with liberals is that you say, Oh, I'm going to round up all these people and then they whine at you and tell you that it's bad to be white.
dan friesen
Right, and they try and imply that you're a gay guy with a uniform.
jordan holmes
Exactly!
I'm not.
I'm not gay.
I'm just a racist.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So it's not like that Alex has ever really been trying to hide his racism per se.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
It's more that his ideology is built on a foundation of racism, anti Semitism, and Tycoon worship to the extent that it just feels natural to him.
jordan holmes
Mm.
dan friesen
On top of that, he's a coward, and throughout his career he's known that if he let this side of himself be more explicit on air, it would basically fuck over any chances he had at making money.
So he's been pretty vigilant about speaking in his code.
He clearly doesn't feel like that matters anymore, and he's making an obvious play to try to win over some of Nick's fans.
It's not going to work though, because Nick's fans don't want this.
They want someone saying we need to send the Jews to the moon, right?
I mean, like they are beyond this.
jordan holmes
Listen, all right.
You have oatmeal.
You eat a lot of oatmeal.
You like oatmeal.
Then you have Lucky Charms.
You're not going back to fucking oatmeal.
You're not going back.
Extreme sugar is going to keep you there.
dan friesen
Unless you have, like, a heart attack or something.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
Well, yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Unless there's a crisis and you need to go back to Oatmeal.
jordan holmes
Right.
Unless you have to, you won't choose to.
dan friesen
It's unlikely.
Yeah.
And I think that Alex is chasing something that is just not achievable unless he finds a way to go more extreme than Nick.
And I don't think there's a way for him to credibly do that given his thirty year track record.
jordan holmes
I mean, he knows Hitler.
That's where you have to go.
dan friesen
Hitler tells me what time it's at night.
jordan holmes
That would fight if it turned out to be the ghost of of Hitler.
That would finally make sense of everything.
dan friesen
Uh huh.
jordan holmes
Right?
dan friesen
Uh huh.
jordan holmes
When was he born?
He wasn't, he was born in the 50s, right?
dan friesen
Alex?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
1974.
jordan holmes
1970 God, it feels like he should be so much older.
It still bums me up every time I find out how old he is.
I'm like, that can't be true.
dan friesen
It's rough.
jordan holmes
That can't be true.
dan friesen
He's lived a tough life.
jordan holmes
Oh my God.
dan friesen
A hard life full of spirits.
Well, spirits.
jordan holmes
Okay, well, I mean, it okay.
How long would it take if you were a spirit to walk from Germany to Texas?
dan friesen
Probably.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I would say exactly the distance.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So I'm trying to find a way to make this work with the Gene Hackman of it all.
jordan holmes
Hitler killed Gene Hackman.
I think we all know that.
No.
Okay.
dan friesen
God is real.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And he was trying to get Alex to go to Gene Hackman.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Because Alex is animated by the spirit of Hitler.
Hitler, the demon has gotten in him.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Gene Hackman had a spirit in him.
Okay.
Whoever was running Operation Valkyrie.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
So he's trying to lure Alex.
jordan holmes
So we have the ancient H, the never-ending battle between Valkyries and Hitler.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So he was trying, God was trying to lure Alex to Gene Hackman, so Gene Hackman could finish the job.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
That I mean, it would make, here's what makes more sense, right?
Hitler and the Valkyries guy, actually spirits who have been around since the dawn of human civilization.
They've always been fighting and possessing people.
They just keep going back and forth doing this over and over again.
Finally, the spirit of Hitler is like, I've got the upper hand and God is trying to and then bam, Gene Hackman's gone.
That's what happened.
dan friesen
We lost a real one.
jordan holmes
We lost the Valkyries guy.
dan friesen
So, I mean, look, this is bad.
It's all bad.
It's bad.
And this is not good.
alex jones
You know, the Nazis trying Oh, there's not really high, you know, Jews aren't as smart as they say.
This is going well.
Why has our whole religious world system come out of them?
I mean, just knock it off.
It is Judeo Christian.
Does it mean it's Jewish Christianity?
Now, that's what they mean.
No, I mean it comes out of Abraham.
Christianity came right out from between the legs of Abraham.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
And the abomination of A Islam.
And the Bible says, this will be the abomination.
So just stop.
unidentified
Hmm?
*laughs*
alex jones
We're obsessed with the Jews, and they're obsessed with themselves because there is something special.
Especially good and especially bad.
Because anything that's...
If you don't know how to drive it, you'll get your ass wrapped around a telephone pole.
And that's what I'm telling the Jews, not as one-mile-the-group, but the ones you know who you are., stop using psychological warfare, stop using black magic, stop using dirty tricks, stop it.
Because you know what about black magic?
It comes back on the person that does it sevenfold.
unidentified
Yikes, yikes.
dan friesen
This isn't good.
This is a bad direction for Alex's content to be going.
jordan holmes
Okay, All right.
alex jones
Stop it.
jordan holmes
All right, so Christianity, you know, I get what you're saying.
Who's doing black magic?
dan friesen
Apparently select Jews.
jordan holmes
See, this is the problem.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
See, this is the problem.
You don't even have to tell me anything else than No, what I'm trying to say is that Jews who do black magic will receive worse than seven times the result.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I can see why you would think that.
dan friesen
So now I also I think it's important to remember that the people that he's arguing with in his head are Nick.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And Nick's fans.
Yeah.
When he's saying that, like, ah, people say that the Jews aren't as smart as they say.
jordan holmes
Stop it.
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Saying that there's no Judeo Christian heritage or like that's stuff that Nick says.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex is just mad about things that he's seen Nick tweet.
jordan holmes
Yeah, like, what in what world are you having so many of these conversations that your tone of voice is like, just stop telling me that the Jews aren't good.
Like, what are we talking about?
dan friesen
Right.
How desperate do you have to be to be this mad about this person?
Yeah.
And the things that Nick is saying and still be like, I kind of want to hang around him.
jordan holmes
Stop!
I want to be you and suck out your youth.
unidentified
Hmm?
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But I just can't commit.
jordan holmes
Can't do it.
dan friesen
So, uh, yeah, more bad.
jordan holmes
Sounds great.
dan friesen
More, more, more.
jordan holmes
I feel like we're doing great.
dan friesen
No, we're not.
alex jones
You don't think I, by magic I mean in general dirty tricks.
You don't think I'm not pretty smart and don't know how to do a lot of really nasty stuff to you after what you've done to me?
You don't think I don't know it's been your mafia that's been on top of my ass?
I'm sorry.
Did you incubate, did you?
I warned you that you're going to get your asses in a lot of trouble where you're going and you're going to conjure a new Adolf Hitler.
It'll probably get us all killed.
See, I'm smart enough to look ahead here.
No, I'm actually Israel's best friend because I care about everyone.
And if you think, those of you that think you're going to blow the Jews up and they're not going to take you with them, you're an idiot.
But again, if I could blow the Jews up all right now and get away with it and add a button, I wouldn't push it.
Because that's not in God's plan.
jordan holmes
You're a hero.
You're a goddamn hero.
alex jones
You start doing that.
You know whose plan you're part of.
You're like, oh, wait, you're saying they're with God?
No, they're with a whole bunch of stuff.
When God favors you, so does the devil.
The power I get, the more the devil comes a knocking and more the temptation gets.
So I know what the Jews have gone through.
Because you know what?
I'm exceptional.
I'm powerful.
So I recognize you've had a lot of exception.
I have exception.
And you know, the Jewish lobby knows that about Northerorthern Europeans?
And they don't like competition, and that's why they're after them.
So stop it.
unidentified
Oh boy.
dan friesen
That's what you what do you say?
unidentified
I mean, I feel like that's not that bad.
jason in ohio
Yeah, sure.
dan friesen
So if you if you need to be convinced that this is real bad, I don't think there's any reason ever to listen to anyone past, listen up Jews.
jordan holmes
Nothing good ever follows that.
Nothing good ever follows like we're going to a water park.
Never, never.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And I think you could probably sub in.
any group.
Yeah.
And I think that you probably get yourself into really dicey territory fast.
jordan holmes
Here's what's important about the stupid fucking group bullshit is you're looking at ICE as they're doing the thing that's happening.
It doesn't matter if you're an illegal immigrant, quote, quote, or not, they're just rounding up people that look the same, right?
It's not about whether you're or not Jewish, they're just rounding up people.
It's not about the thing.
dan friesen
And in fairness to Alex, on July 17, he didn't know that Trump was going to take over DC.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
He didn't know he didn't know they were going to send federal agents in and stuff.
So you have to give him the benefit of the doubt on that.
jordan holmes
When have we ever seen a out of control man with too much power who has a private army surrounding himself go bad?
alex jones
Never.
dan friesen
Never.
Now I will say, in order to just kind of palate cleanse from that last clip, when Alex says that when you're favored by God, you're also favored by the devil, I was waiting for him to say, It's what Mike Tyson said.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Because he's just taken that from a Mike Tyson meme.
jordan holmes
He loves Mike Tyson.
dan friesen
Well, the toad grants wisdom.
jordan holmes
I mean, I like Mike Tyson, I guess.
I don't know.
What are we doing?
dan friesen
I don't even know if he super likes Mike Tyson, but he really liked that meme.
and he's been pulling from it a lot.
jordan holmes
You're right.
dan friesen
That idea that when God favors you, the devil favors you too.
Yeah.
That's directly just something from a Twitter video that Alex saw of Mike Tyson.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there's, there's, you're right.
There's no way he actually has listened to a thing or anything.
That's, that's his headline.
The headline is Mike Tyson said this thing and it's not like I like the way it feels.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I was waiting for him to cite Mike Tyson.
Yeah.
Because he's ripping him off.
Right.
And he doesn't in this case.
And I get really disappointed.
Uh oh.
Yeah.
So anyway, Alex takes some calls.
He wants to get the temperature of the audience.
jordan holmes
Probably great.
unidentified
Mm.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, so one guy, he's like, hey, if the Epstein files got released, that might reveal a lot more than just child trafficking.
There might be a lot like Satan shit.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
That we end up finding out.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so Alex talks about that a little bit.
matt-2 in ohio
But also, what if it's a lot more scary than, you know, just trafficking and pedophilia?
What if this goes into, you know, black magic, ritualistic behavior and oh, let me tell you something.
alex jones
Eyes Wide Shut isn't a movie, it's a documentary.
You get in the upper echelons of money.
You either have rich people that hide out, stay away from everybody or freaked out.
I mean the really rich people.
or you got rich people that are devil worshiping.
Devil worshiping, I mean, hardcore Luciferianism is, is all over the place.
I've told this to, I mean, I'm not making it up.
I've seen it, folks.
Okay.
And that's when I was a teenager.
So let me tell you, it is bad.
I mean, I've been in eyes wide shut stuff.
I've literally gotten out of that stuff.
13, 14, 15.
jordan holmes
Even Pete?
alex jones
I was like, God, I get to date the beauty queen.
God, I'm 15 dating a college beauty queen.
And I was like, another big mansion, another helicopter pad, another black magic ceremony.
jordan holmes
Golden Challenge.
alex jones
And I was just like, God almighty, they were trying to recruit me, man.
It's all over the place, bro.
jordan holmes
Like Pete?
matt-2 in ohio
I believe it.
alex jones
Oh, I see.
I know it.
matt-2 in ohio
But how deep does it go and how prolific is it?
alex jones
It's Luciferianism in elite rich circles.
The Bible says the devil controls the elite, the principalities, the powers, the air.
I mean, I would say half the billionaires and their adjuncts in any elite area are doing sex rituals and black magic on a weekly basis.
I mean, it's it's there's as many satanic real churches, not the fake, you know, idiot ones you see.
They're all idiots, but you know, the little provincial.
There's as many satanic ceremonies going on in a major city or in these elite rural areas, almost as much as there are church services going on.
jordan holmes
One to one.
alex jones
You hear what I'm saying?
Yeah, because this isn't like going down to the Baptist church and hearing the preacher speak and singing some hymns.
There's sex whole nine yards.
dan friesen
So I guess that's what Trump is now covering up, right?
Like a network of super elite Satan worshipers who have at least weekly.
services that involve sex and maybe human sacrifice.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
This sounds like a giant problem.
jordan holmes
It feels like if I were to see that as my enemy and then do everything I could to defeat them.
And then later on, whenever it became convenient, I was like, no, we're best friends and I control everything.
That would make me the guy who's in charge of all of these satanic sex rituals.
Now, if I'm in charge of a bunch of satanic sex rituals and I allow them to keep happening, that would suggest to me that I'm not very in touch with the Lord whatsoever.
I'm kind of more on the let's do satanic rituals side.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And if Alex believes any of this stuff, it's kind of stupid that he's doing a show like this is not something you clearly won't be able to solve that kind of a problem through a radio show.
Yeah.
Getting more awareness around this is not going to work.
You have to go like Vigilante.
jordan holmes
This is what bothers me about these people is that they're taking this so seriously but in the wrong way.
If black magic is a problem, I will learn to do it.
dan friesen
Yeah, learn light magic.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I want I want I'll prove I'll prove that someone's not a witch by not learning how to do magic from them.
dan friesen
But that's the problem is that Alex can do magic.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He just can't.
jordan holmes
He pretends that he can.
I will learn magic from Alex Jones.
If that is what I must do, I will learn magic to prove that dark magic is real.
I will do it.
I will sacrifice my very soul.
I will give it to the devil in order to prove that black magic is real.
Right now, devil, boom.
dan friesen
Go to Austin.
jordan holmes
I would.
unidentified
I will.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
There's probably one there, or at least there's a Hitler.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think Alex would take you on as a, I mean, he, you know, he's not selling all those knives.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Those daggers aren't moving fast enough.
So, like, he could use a little bit of a, like, give him a consulting fee or something.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And pay out the nose for black magic.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Well, good luck.
Yeah, thanks.
So another caller brings up, hey man, you know, like in child trafficking, the pageants play a role in that.
And Alex doesn't want to pursue who might have anything to do with pageants?
jason in ohio
When it comes to stuff like the CIA being involved, they've done stuff with the Playboy Models of the Month, you know, getting them to be like prostitutes for high level leaders of other countries.
alex jones
Oh, one hundred percent.
Yeah, that's what that all is.
jason in ohio
Yeah, and then it ties in to the beauty pageants, and the beauty pageants go to the child pageants, and that all ties in to the children children's stuff.
alex jones
Yeah, I have to say, a lot of the parents involved in those are pimping their kids out.
I mean, I'd say a lot of them.
It's sick.
Okay, good God bless you.
Jan and Malibu.
dan friesen
Let's move on from that thought.
jordan holmes
I love a good all right, God bless you.
unidentified
Yeah, God bless you.
jordan holmes
That's that's more valuable than any of the explanations that he's had.
If he was just like, ah, this PT.
Okay, God bless you.
We're just going to move on.
Like, that'd be fine.
I'd be like, yeah, you're right.
Okay, let's move on.
dan friesen
Yeah, these people are pimping their kids and Trump owns multiple pageants.
jordan holmes
Okay, let's get out of it.
dan friesen
And I think if you were listening to the full of that call.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think you would strongly get the sense that this caller was trying to imply that.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He was trying to lead Alex to that.
And that's why Alex gave him a God bless you and hung up.
jordan holmes
I like it.
Well done.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So a lot of the ability to pretend that everything is all right with Trump.
Yeah.
comes from a belief that Alex has that there's going to be the special counsel.
jordan holmes
Right.
At least we've got that to hold on to.
That's a rung on the ladder.
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's taken a lot of the heat off.
A 1,000 pound gorilla off Alex's chest.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Uh oh.
Oh, news just broke it.
It's not happening.
jordan holmes
Well, it probably won't.
alex jones
Well, this is a strange game.
The only way to win is not to play.
All right, I got some bad news for you.
And I understand why Trump's doing this.
John Solomon's very credible, never lies.
Two days ago, Trump tells him, Oh, I'm doing a special prosecutor.
I talked to DOJ people high up.
They said, No, he wants one.
But he doesn't want to put his destiny in somebody's hands.
He's lost a lot of trust.
He put Ed Martin in, the guy's, I know the guy, 25 years.
I mean, that guy's like as good as it gets, but.
Press secretary Epstein case says no special prosecutor.
And look, I'm completely honest with the listeners and people take it out of context.
Go Jones is selling how to do a cover up.
No, I said I don't think there should be a cover up.
There should be full transparency.
But if Trump is going to cover it up, just say we're still investigating and slow roll it.
If he thinks it will crash the economy, the news is so bad or whatever.
But no, he keeps saying, don't talk about it, which is the worst possible thing you could do.
I mean, that's why it's like the worst possible thing.
And I am just like.
And I was in a good mood today because it looked like there would be a prosecutor and now Trump's decided not.
But he's vacillating so much, who knows, he may appoint one tomorrow.
Just put Ed Martin in for God's sake.
And they got some planted Democrat stuff, expose it and use it against him.
Or he knows they do that.
Stop running from their BS.
When they planted child porn on me, we want to meet with you, we won't go public if you work with us.
I went on there and attacked within an hour, and they cracked their bitches, and the FBI gave me a letter saying I was the victim.
Of course I was.
We found this child porn you sent us, but we'll work with you.
I was like, you I was just, oh my God.
Attack, attack, attack.
Never surrender.
Here's Lavitt.
unidentified
Well, the idea was floated from someone in the media to the president.
The president would not recommend a special prosecutor in the Epstein case.
That's how he feels.
And as for his discussions with the Attorney General, I'm not sure.
Deanna.
Sure.
Thank you.
alex jones
Oh, yeah.
More flip-floping.
My God, they're doing so many 180s here.
I think I'm on a roller coaster at Magic Mountain.
dan friesen
That sounds bad.
So I think when Alex says that Trump doesn't want to leave his destiny in someone else's hands, he's kind of saying that Trump doesn't want to be investigated because he knows he's dirty as hell.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
You feel, I mean, obviously Alex is a disgusting bigot piece of shit and I don't really have a whole lot of empathy for him, but you feel for a guy who really thinks for most of his shift, everything is going to be okay.
I'm going to distract people with the pot farm bust.
jordan holmes
It's going to be hard, but I'm going to get through it.
dan friesen
Right.
Trump has given the talking points in that truth social post and we're going to pretend that he's saving the children and all this immigration stuff.
We're going to talk about the Democrats trying to steal Los Angeles with the fires.
We're gonna get through.
I'm gonna get really antisemitic to try and appeal to a little bit newer of a crowd.
Yeah.
But it's gonna work.
We're gonna make it.
And then just at the end of the show, nah, we're not gonna do it.
jordan holmes
No.
He was in a good mood.
You know, sometimes when you get through eating your big bowl of shit, you think, you know what?
That could have been worse.
Now that I'm on the other side of it, I'm actually kind of proud of myself for having finished.
dan friesen
Well, and there's there's good news too.
There's dessert.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
And then, but then, man, whenever you find out you'rere not done eating shit, that's when it really hurts.
dan friesen
Yeah, because that's deserted.
jordan holmes
Yeah, because you were done.
You know, it sucked every second of it.
It tasted bad.
It was awful.
And then, oh, you're never done.
dan friesen
No.
And you opted into this.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like you didn't have to, for like, we're on July 17.
This is ten days after that FBI memo, oh my God.
has come out.
After Alex has gone back and forth whether Trump's got a demon inside him or whatever.
Yeah.
He doesn't need to do this.
He could have jumped off this.
The only reason that he has to keep eating that bowl of shit.
is because he's decided I'll get through this bowl of shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
No, stop eating that shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, what is like what is the point of him?
You know, like the point of him was I tell the truth no matter what.
And what matters is that he just said a thing no matter what, right?
Whether it was true or not is unimportant.
He said it true like it was.
Now he's not even doing that.
Now he's he's even like, well, maybe it's true, maybe it's not true.
Here's what they should do to handle it.
Like your job, your function is just true falseho, that's it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I think that, for better or worse, in the first Trump administration, there was a message discipline among conspiracy theorists.
There was an ability to be like, it's the fucking deep state.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Everything is the deep state.
Everything is the deep state.
And maybe you can do like, you know, maybe you're a little bit more Kyunani and maybe you're a little bit more Pachanicky, maybe you're a little bit more Alexy.
There's different flavors of it.
But there was a united front for the most part that was kept up.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And when Trump lost in 2020, that allowed.
that United Front to remain together A bit as well because they needed to get back into power.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And they'd been wronged by the deep state.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And then COVID, you know, that allowed for a lot of like, hey, let's look past some of these differences.
We got tyranny on our hands here.
Sure.
And now Trump's reelected, he's back in power, he's taken over pretty much every aspect of the government.
And there's no message discipline.
There is no like there's no unity among the conspiracy theorists.
They're starting to argue with each other.
Propagandists are jockeying for positions with each other in a way that the deep state.
that, uh, that didn't happen as much, uh, previously.
And they're, they're, well, I mean, the difference is he couldn't do as much.
jordan holmes
Like, the difference was that Trump was impeached immediately for illegally winning.
So they had that to rally around, you know, it doesn't matter if Trump the president does anything, the Democrats are trying to defeat him.
And then there were enough legislative Democrats and yada yada yada and enough pushback that maybe we could, like, curb some stuff.
And so what the Democrats and the people were actually doing is making Trump palatable.
They were cutting off the rough edges of his terrible ideas and making something that actually functions at the very least.
And now there's nothing stopping them.
And the problem with that is that they are fucking stupid.
The only thing that kept these people going was that there were competent people making their shit work, basically.
And now those competent people are gone.
dan friesen
There are competent people trying to have an argument with Trump on a competent level.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
In the same way that like Bass is trying to treat him like an adult or a child in that press conference, that makes him appear like he's having an argument.
on a level of what is actually in the interest of helping these people that have been ravaged by this fire.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
When in reality, that's not the planet he's even living on.
jordan holmes
No, no, the only thing to say is I would like you to please get out of this room.
Thank you.
Yeah.
Like that's her only, her only option is I can't do this with you here.
So either you do it or I'll do it.
There can be no coexistence here.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
It's, and the one between that favor that Trump's opposition was doing him and the ability to just point at everything and be like, ha ha, deep state.
Yeah.
Those things don't appear as potent anymore.
And Alex is in, like, there's real trouble.
He has to decide what his identity is.
jordan holmes
I mean, when there's no one else to blame, that's when you realize that's the only thing that was keeping you guys together.
There's the only person to blame for this is Trump.
So either you blame the one person that you have spent the last forever trying to avoid blaming for anything, or you make up some bullshit.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Or you try to cater to the people who are like, no, it's the Jews.
And that seems something like what Alex is f far more interested in Yeah.
than getting right about the Trump shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So we'll see what happens as this progresses.
We'll see, you know, I think that Alex is in a really, really bad situation with Trump taking over DC and the president.
I feel like martial law police state guy is going to have a really, really hard time with that one.
Yeah.
But we'll see.
unidentified
We'll see.
jordan holmes
No, no, the president just has a military force patrolling the streets near him.
Hey, home rule, man.
That's no big deal.
Yeah, that's fine.
dan friesen
If he can deal with Trump saying that people who care about Epstein are stupid, then I mean, I, I, it knows my bounds.
jordan holmes
Yeah, why not?
dan friesen
So we'll see where this goes, but until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
Indeed, we do.
It's knowledgefight dot com.
alex jones
Yeah, we'll be back.
dan friesen
But until then, I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm DZX Clark, I am the mysterious professor.
alex jones
Woo, yeah, woo, yeah, woo.
jordan holmes
And now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
andy in kansas
So Alex, I'm a first name caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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