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Aug. 11, 2025 - Knowledge Fight
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#1065: July 16, 2025

In this installment, Dan and Jordan ride along as Alex has to deal with the news that Trump had publicly and agrily disowned all of his supporters who don't want to shut up about Epstein.

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alex jones
26:44
d
dan friesen
42:24
j
jordan holmes
27:10
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donald j trump
00:19
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andy in kansas
00:09
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
Stop it.
Andy in Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
unidentified
Andy.
alex jones
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding us.
andy in kansas
Hello Alex.
I'm a freshman colored and I wish you'd say, I love your word.
Knowledge Fight.
alex jones
Not knowledgefight dot com dot I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
unidentified
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple of guys like to sit around, worship the elder of Sleen and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
So, what's your bright spot today, buddy?
dan friesen
Why don't you go first?
jordan holmes
Uh, my bright spot is I got to spend some time with my family.
dan friesen
So bright.
jordan holmes
They're good people like them.
They've got a lot of children.
Too many, too many children.
dan friesen
How many children?
jordan holmes
Too many children.
Six children is too many to have in any one space at any given point in time.
dan friesen
It's a lot.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's a lot.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
And I've heard of elementary school teachers.
dan friesen
What kind of age range are we talking about?
jordan holmes
Zero to six, not high up.
dan friesen
Okay.
Yeah.
So the mischief is chaotic but not focused.
jordan holmes
Chaos, every direction.
And every time you think you've got a bead on someone, ah, you're wrong.
Whack them all over here.
Yeah, but they're causing problems.
dan friesen
But they're not over like ten or twelve where they could do some real serious damage intentionally.
jordan holmes
Yes, they couldn't do damage to someone else on purpose, but they're at the age where doing damage to themselves seems almost like what they're born to do.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And accidentally to you.
jordan holmes
I mean, I was, one of them was hitting me with this blanket, and then the blanket landed on the floor, and they stepped on it and slipped and fell.
And I was like, I didn't, I wasn't even around for any of this.
dan friesen
Did you, did you file a police report for this blanket assault?
jordan holmes
This is horrible.
dan friesen
I hit it with a blanket.
jordan holmes
Horrible.
dan friesen
How could he?
But it was a good time.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it was great.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It was great.
dan friesen
What did you get into?
You played a little tennis with these babies?
jordan holmes
They're pickleball folks.
dan friesen
That's tennis adjacent, right?
jordan holmes
It's tennis adjacent, but for, you know, people who suck.
No, it's fine.
That's fine.
dan friesen
Anti pickleball.
jordan holmes
I think it's just the scoring system.
So with pickleball, the scoring system is not like, Hey, we've got one and you've got two.
dan friesen
And he's like, Hey, neither is tennis.
jordan holmes
No, no, neither is tennis.
But the idea essentially being like, at the end of this, we have similar point structures.
Whereas with pickleball, there's like, Okay, the server one has a score, and then the server two has a score, and then the other side has a server one and a server two.
And so they have and it's like just count to eleven, man.
dan friesen
I I was unaware of this.
I guess I'm woefully uninformed on pickleball.
jordan holmes
Maddening, maddening the rules.
You can't even step in some sort of kitchen.
Maddening.
dan friesen
Are there pickles?
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Is there brine?
jordan holmes
There's no There is a ball.
There is a ball.
I will say this.
dan friesen
Okay.
If I were, if I were inventing pickleball from the ground up, it would be very similar to tennis in that there would be a score that is a word.
Right.
And it would be brine, instead of love.
jordan holmes
Okay.
I like that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I like that.
That's actually a really good one.
dan friesen
It's a thirty brine.
jordan holmes
It's a thirty brine.
That's even fun to say.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Take it back.
We have to restart the whole tennis thing pickleball.
Get rid of this love nonsense.
Who loves?
No.
dan friesen
We Bryan.
jordan holmes
We Bryan.
dan friesen
Besides, we Bryan.
What's your bright spot?
I can't remember if I've mentioned this, but I guess it's that one of my favorite podcasts is back from the dead.
I thought it was gone forever, but Womp It Up.
Oh, we're not going to go anywhere.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I like those characters.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's very funny.
And after four years of being gone, they returned.
Oh, that's awesome.
So I've been going back through the back catalog of that and having a great time.
unidentified
Nice.
dan friesen
So fun.
jordan holmes
That's fun.
Yeah.
That womp character.
dan friesen
Melissa Wompler.
jordan holmes
Very, very good.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And Shardog Listler.
unidentified
So fun.
dan friesen
Great dynamic.
Guests are fun.
Yeah.
So I I'm glad that it is resurrected.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's nice.
dan friesen
So Jordan, today we must resurrect our investigation of Alex Jones and the terrible Epstein comedy.
jordan holmes
It's not a good Epstein day.
dan friesen
It's bad.
It's so bad.
Today's a real bad day.
jordan holmes
I bet, I bet it is.
dan friesen
We're going to be talking about July 16.
I feel like the way that I've tried to separate these episodes is almost in movements.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
You know, like there's a.
a symphonic distraction things are going on.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
This is the Allegro non tropo part.
dan friesen
I don't know anything about music, but I'm going to take your word for it.
It's bad.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Is that the time in a symphony where it's like, oh shit.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
dan friesen
Shit's falling apart with the strings.
jordan holmes
That's more like, I don't know, John Cage.
dan friesen
Okay.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's what we're in.
The part where we're in, like, John Cage?
jordan holmes
Four minutes of silence.
dan friesen
Shit is confus.
It's Philip Glassian.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there we go.
dan friesen
So we'll check in on exactly what's going on.
But first, let's take a little moment and say hello to some new wands.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, hell yeah., you're the dark spot.
Also congratulations on the engagement, Andrew and Hannah.
Thank you so much, you're now a Polzzywonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
I do.
And we've got a senior in the house.
A lot of capital letters.
jordan holmes
I know, I don't know why this one was capital letter heavy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yes, my Bug Girl hybrid is a senior in high school.
So proud of you, small human who is now taller than me.
I love you.
Thank you so much, you're now a Polzzywonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
I do.
And Mike from Wisconsin, thanks to you, my neighbors and people who are at the stoplight with me probably think I'm a conspiracy nutbag.
Thank you so much, you're now a Polzzywonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
unidentified
Thank you.
dan friesen
And we have a tank to credit in the mix, Jordan.
So thank you so much to Rods, Jordan.
Thank you so much.
You're now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four star.
Don't hunk your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
alex jones
Someone, someone, Sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
Daddy Sharp.
Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum.
Jar Jar Binksh has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser little, little titty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much.
dan friesen
Okay, Jordan.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
When we last left our story, Alex was delighted in the fake news that Trump was going to appoint a special counsel to look into the handling of the Epstein files.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
That was something he believed because he saw a tweet about something that Laura Trump, the daughter in law of the president and head of the RNC said on a podcast.
All of the roiling chaos seemed to be calmed and things looked like they could possibly go back to normal.
And then Trump decided to post again on Truth Social.
This time he said, quote, The radical left Democrats have hit pay dirt again, just like with the fake and fully discredited steel dossier, the lying fifty one intelligence agents, the laptop from hell, which the Dems swore had come from Russia.
Parentheses, no, it had come from Hunter Biden's bathroom.
Exclamation point.
And even the Russia, Russia, Russia scam itself, a totally fake and made up story used in order to hide crooked Hillary Clinton's big loss in the 2016 presidential election.
Scams and hoaxes are all the Democrats are good at.
It's all they have.
They are no good at governing, no good at policy, and no good at picking winning candidates.
Also, unlike Republicans, they stick together like glue.
Their new scam is what we will forever call the Jeffrey Epstein hoax, and my past supporters have bought into this, quote, bullshit hook line and sinker.
They haven't learned their lesson and probably never will, even after being conned by the lunatic left for eight long years.
I've had more success in six months than perhaps any president in our country's history, and all these people want to talk about.
with strong prodding by the fake news and the success starved dems is the Jeffrey Epstein hoax.
Let these weaklings continue, uh, continue forward and do the Democrats' work.
Don't even think about talking about our incredible and unprecedented success because I don't want their support anymore.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Make America great again.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Had you heard that whole post?
jordan holmes
I had no idea.
dan friesen
You knew that something along these lines had been said.
Yeah.
But not that full.
jordan holmes
I'm, I'm, I'm amazed at how bad a job.
And I understand, you know, you understand it.
It makes sense.
It's very reasonable for them to do.
I understand it and it all makes perfect sense, but the media has done such a tremendously bad job of really capturing and portraying Trump as he is.
dan friesen
And I am too by dramatizing my way of doing that.
jordan holmes
No, totally, totally.
dan friesen
So don't get me wrong, it's impossible to do this job.
jordan holmes
It's impossible.
It's impossible because reality is like if these people had any modicum of self respect, they would like to play him off.
They would have music that plays whenever he goes on too long.
Or they would keep him in chains under the basement and like, hey, you can tweet whenever we allow you to.
alex jones
And that's it.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's pretty shocking.
It's degrading.
jordan holmes
It is degrading.
dan friesen
I think that no matter how much I supported someone's policies or a president, if they were getting on social media in the middle of them being kind of involved in what appears to be a cover up of a giant crime, and they started ranting about how they're the most successful president ever.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I can't support this.
You know, like, no matter how much I loved whatever they were doing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'd be like, this person's nuts.
jordan holmes
To me, right, when they were doing tests, NASA, sending people, they sent a dog into space.
That poor dog.
You know?
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
Was it NASA or was it the Russians?
dan friesen
I know the Russians definitely did, but I bet we did, too.
jordan holmes
I'm sure we sent something up there to die.
dan friesen
Yeah, probably like a giraffe.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
And it's like the only reason we even have it, really, is to send people like Trump away.
You know, people like him should be testing things like, oh, look at that tweet.
We got to get you out of here, buddy.
unidentified
Zoom.
dan friesen
Do you subscribe to like the Ghosts of Mars model?
jordan holmes
Wait, was that the one with Ice Cube?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Or is that, okay.
dan friesen
He played James Desolation Williams.
jordan holmes
Was that a sequel to Aliens?
dan friesen
No.
Maybe.
jordan holmes
Wasn't it the same movie?
dan friesen
They send prisoners to space.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then the most dangerous criminal gets loose on the ship while they're transporting him to Mars.
Right.
jordan holmes
Oh boy.
dan friesen
But so yeah, I mean, look, I think human experimentation is bad, but I understand where you're coming from.
jordan holmes
I mean, you know, protect dogs.
Send Truth Social out there.
dan friesen
We don't know if that dog wanted to go to space.
jordan holmes
We don't know if that dog wanted to go to space.
dan friesen
However, it might have been his dream.
jordan holmes
It's hard not to believe that the dog didn't have the concept necessary to desire space travel.
dan friesen
One thing we do know, though, is that that dog didn't tweet that shit.
jordan holmes
That is one hundred percent accurate.
dan friesen
So predictably, this post did not have the desired effect and may have ultimately been counterproductive for the whole getting people to stop talking about Epstein thing.
There is literally nothing that anyone could do that was even a little bit more suspicious than what Trump decided to write in that post.
It's fucking insane.
Before the false hope about the special council, things were looking bad, but this is another level of bad.
Trump didn't even say that he didn't want the support of Nazis and clan members, but now he's explicitly trying to disown people who won't shut up about Epstein.
levels of suspicious and he's cultivated an audience that's so suspicious they look for coded messages and things.
They look at the stars and do math and shit.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Before we get to Alex's response, I do want to say that I think that Trump is making the right move for himself.
And I think that's it sounds contradictory, but I really do.
This Epstein shit is never going to go away and it's a deal breaker for a certain amount of his fan base.
It's probably best to just take the hit and try to alpha these dorks.
Probably.
See what you can do.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Otherwise, it's going to be hanging over your head for however long you're a public figure.
Totally.
At this point would look really weak and most of these assholes in the right wing media, they're pot committed at this point.
There's no other candidate that they're going to be able to viably support.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Maybe JD Vance, maybe.
unidentified
Wow.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But like, you're not going to be able to get a lot of the base on board for that.
alex jones
No.
dan friesen
And even Alex later in this episode is like, Trump's not going to become unpopular.
jordan holmes
That's unfortunate.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, it is it is a little bit like you're Trump's only question now is like, can you stop me?
Because if I for an instant, if I was like, well., let's think about that, I am being stopped, but this is just, you have to take me down if you want to take me down.
You know, I'm not going to go anywhere.
dan friesen
And in theory, he never has another election that he has to win again.
Right.
So if he's interested in like the consolidation of power in terms of like passing it on to some kind of loyalist or something, then I think that taking all this Epstein heat on himself is actually a pretty good strategic move.
Because it could relieve whoever your successor is of this by being like, it was me.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, it could be worse.
I was his best friend, but it's not like anyone is going to impeach you or get rid of you or fire you.
or fiery or in any way cause like no.
Any punishment for you.
dan friesen
Again, later, Alex is very clear that whatever's going on, he's not going to get impeached.
And we're stuck with this for another three years.
jordan holmes
It's just going to keep happening.
It's not going to get better.
dan friesen
So that happened in the morning, and Alex gets on air a little bit after that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't think he's in a great mood.
unidentified
Ooh.
dan friesen
Shit, shit's bad.
People are talking about the tweet and all.
alex jones
Well, the top of the Democrat Party mouthpiece, The Drugs Report, has the headline, Make America Great Again, divorce.
And when you click on it, it takes you to infowars dot com, and there is the representation that I've divorced Trump and, you know, he's divorced me, and, you know, that's how the media is spinning it.
That is not what's happening here.
I overall support Trump, but you can't do a 180 on the Epstein files.
Yes, we know the Democrats have been in control of the files over the years, and obviously whatever they left in them is what they want in them.
But Trump coming out and saying, anybody that talks about Epstein, he doesn't want their support anymore.
Just reeks of childish child like behavior.
dan friesen
See, this is why Alex is great.
No one else can struggle like him who has a show of this kind of size.
He is in the shit.
He's dealing with it.
jordan holmes
It's because everybody else has a production meeting.
Everybody else pitches ideas.
They throw stuff around and then somebody is like, let's give this one a try chance.
This is the narrative we're going to go with and we're going to have focus and we're going to do this.
And Alex is like, is he a child?
dan friesen
I think that everything else, like, it exists with object permanence.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Everything else exists in a continuity and Alex doesn't.
He's he's disabused of that and is allowed to like, fight like a newborn baby seeing light for the first time every day.
jordan holmes
No one has ever not enabled me and yet it feels like this is what it would be like to not be enabled.
dan friesen
It's crazy.
jordan holmes
It is crazy.
dan friesen
So I love the idea that the Drudge Re report is the Democrat mouthpiece now because it shows the shallowness of narrative structure on this show.
Drudge was the hero of the populist movement throughout the Tea Party, and he was instrumental in pushing Clinton conspiracies back when Clinton meant Bill, not Hillary.
His website launched Andrew Breitbart, who in turn created Breitbart, which brought us Steve Bannon, Milo Yanopoulos, and James O'Keeffe, just to name a few.
In twenty sixteen, he was critical to getting Trump elected, which Alex told him when he did a rare interview on Infowars and explained that ISIS was named after Daryl Isa as a prank, which was nonsense, and I think maybe Drudge was troge Report started to post some headlines that were negative about Trump, and Alex believed that he was becoming disloyal.
He began to speculate that Drudge had been bought by the Democrats or possibly he'd flipped.
But whatever it happened, the proof of it was that he was being too negative about Trump.
Alex wants to assert his ability to be critical of Trump, but in the process, he has to call the Drudge Report a democratic mouthpiece, which is a smear that he created to attack them for being too critical of Trump.
It's deeply ironic.
jordan holmes
I mean, I think for the longest time we've all wanted these people to stop liking Trump.
For the world's sake, for like all of our sakes, because we don't want to live in an explosion at all times, right?
I think we're all finally at the place where now Alex needs to leave Trump for Alex.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
We want him to listen, the explosion's already happened.
There's no coming back from that.
You have to go for yourself now, you know, this is it's just it's just it's just it's just suck.
It's suck.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, but also at the same time, I've been through this and, you know, caring about him drinking and shit.
I think that was me trying to care.
This is self destructive for Trump.
Sure, sure, sure.
And I realize the folly of that.
And I wish he was still wasted on an air.
And so now I'm like, yeah, keep holding on to Trump.
I don't care.
This is only hurting you at this point.
jordan holmes
I agree with you.
I just feel like it's more entertaining if he if he leaves, you know?
I guess again, it's really for us.
It's for me.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I think it's honestly what's magical about this time right here is that it's kind of good whatever he does.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like if he stays with Trump or he tries to be like, I'm moving on.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Either way, it's interesting.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
At least it's something.
jordan holmes
It's not the holding pattern that we were in for six months to a year or whatever.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
But Alex loves that holding pattern.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And because it's so comforfortable and everything, I'm close to power, I'm good friends with Trump and all this, he kind of tries to punt on this.
unidentified
And I think it's so sad.
alex jones
This is Trump's issue.
It is not going to go away.
I am still going to cover it some, but there's so many other issues to hit and so many other things to get into that I'm not going to have this one issue suck all the oxygen out of the room for what we do.
Obviously, when I talk about it, people watch it, they listen to it, they're interested because people feel like I do.
I'd say nine out of ten Trump supporters that I know are really upset about this and bewildered.
And it looks very incriminating.
But at the same time, Trump is right that the Democrats did have these files.
So whatever they left in it makes some people close to him look bad or something.
I don't think it's Trump.
I've never seen evidence of that.
Trump isn't the type of guy that puts himself in hotel rooms to be peed on by hookers.
Trump isn't the type of guy that's attracted to kids.
That's clear.
He likes powerful women.
Bombshells.
Very intimidating women.
That's the opposite of what Pete does want.
And there has never been any evidence of him with anyone underage.
dan friesen
It's so funny to see Alex trying to punt on this story.
He's the hard-nosed detective who is on a mission from God to sniff out corruption, but in this very obvious and suspicious case, he's not going to let this steal his attention from the serious issues that he has to cover.
jordan holmes
I mean, you know, sure, sure.
I think that making this documentary about Bush, you know, doing 911 is pretty important.
But at the same time, is 911 that big of a story?
I don't think so.
It's a problem for Bush, really.
dan friesen
Is this a distraction?
jordan holmes
I think it's a problem.
We need to talk more about what's happening.
about whatever was going on in two thousand two.
dan friesen
Do you guys care about fluoride?
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
By Alex's own estimates, this is an issue that's not going to go away and is a serious problem for ninety percent of Trump's fans, which is a massive crisis.
They built their entire political identity around this guy, and if you think that they're just going to rally around Vance, that seems optimistic.
As for Trump's history with young women, he's been accused of barging into dressing rooms to see beauty pageant contestants naked, accusations made by people who were as young as fifteen at the time competing in Miss Teen USA.
Trump appeared on Howard Stern's show in two thousand five and said, quote, I'll go backstage before a show and everyone's getting dr dressed and ready and everything else, and you know, no men are there.
I'm allowed to go in because I'm the owner of the pageant, and therefore I'm inspecting it.
Is everyone okay?
You know, they're standing around with no clothes, and you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.
I guess Alex missed that in his vetting process or whatever, but kind of looks like an idiot.
jordan holmes
Every time anybody says anything about this guy, it's like, well, thank God that man can never become president.
And then you're like, wait, what?
dan friesen
I regret to admit this, and I think there's something wrong with my algorithm.
Yeah.
Because I ended up getting recommended the Trump roast from 2011.
jordan holmes
Oh my God, I can at least this guy will never be president.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Fuck me.
dan friesen
It's so much of that.
jordan holmes
I can't believe it.
I can't believe it.
dan friesen
It's like Larry King waddling up to stage and being like, this guy's my best friend.
And then a bunch of people calling him a creep and a pervert and being like, you're delusional if you think you're ever going to be president.
It's really sad.
Mike, The Situation.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Real bad.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
He's a roaster got booted off stage basically.
jordan holmes
You are getting roasted by Mike, The Situation.
And I'm even going to call this a ru a rule for the future.
If Mike, the situation has roasted you, or perhaps will roast you, can't be president.
dan friesen
It's tough.
jordan holmes
Can't do it.
dan friesen
It's tough.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
It seems like maybe the constitution needs to be amended with just increasingly more specific things that you can't do if you want to be president.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, like, hey, you didn't pick up dog shit.
Ah, can't be president.
dan friesen
It felt like this show is terrible, but it's also like you all really thought things were going to go different.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Everybody's laughing, having a good time, because we all think we're making fun of this., like, dick shit who's never going to be a problem again.
jordan holmes
Oh man.
dan friesen
And then he ruins the world.
jordan holmes
Oh.
dan friesen
God, it's dark.
jordan holmes
That is dark.
dan friesen
Anthony Jesselnick is there.
jordan holmes
Now, here's the thing.
Here's the thing.
dan friesen
The dog is there.
jordan holmes
Here's the thing.
If this were me though, and this is the, this is another problem with Trump.
You can't even do it right.
Like, if it's me and I got all that shit and then I became president, I'm calling half of those people once a week, being like, hey, guess who's president?
What was that?
Hold on, let me read this joke back to you.
dan friesen
No, uh, I wouldn't even like, I wouldn't even want to do it.
I would kill them all on principle.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you have to., you just have to, because you can.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
Flex that power.
jordan holmes
Sorry guys.
Hey man, I actually thought that one was pretty funny.
dan friesen
Lisa Lampanelli?
alex jones
Yee.
jordan holmes
Oh boy, well put that blindfold on and here's your last cigarette.
dan friesen
Sorry Marley Matlin, you have to go.
It is a bad time.
jordan holmes
It was a bad time.
unidentified
Oof.
dan friesen
Anyway, this is also a really bad time and Alex is forced to struggle for metaphors to explain what this is like.
And I think he nails it.
alex jones
Well, this was a very surreal day for me and I think America and the whole world.
You've got President Trump really doing so many wonderful things to the economy and the country and rolling back globalist policies, social policies, military policies, cultural policies.
I mean, Trump is just doing such amazing things.
But it'd be kind of like if your grandpa was, you know, the light of the town and the greatest guy and just had this wonderful track record and then you see him driving down the road and The back of the pickup's on fire.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Then you run over to grandpa at the red light and you say, Grandpa, the truck's on fire.
And he looks at you and says, Don't talk to me about a fire.
There is no fire.
You're not in my family anymore.
You said my truck's on fire.
And then you just, the red light turns green and the car just keeps driving off.
And you know, any minute the gas tanks are going to blow.
And you're just like, Grandpa, get out.
It's like having a family member that you love and care about who suddenly gets on fentanyl.
You tell them, Listen, if you keep taking that, you're going to overdose and die.
Owen uses the analogy of he's a big Kansas City baseball fan and been going there since he was a little kid.
And the game is about to start and he expects his team to run out in their colors red, and instead a whole other team runs out in blue uniforms, but they say they're still the Kansas City baseball team.
dan friesen
So Trump is senile and unable to recognize that he's in a car that's about to explode.
Does this not paint him in a great light?
jordan holmes
It's surprising, but that one felt pretty accurate.
dan friesen
Kind of, yeah, except that Trump started the fire.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
And laid the kindling in it by being Epstein's best friend for years.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So like he's not really senile.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
He's trying to cover something up by starting this fire.
jordan holmes
These are the consequences of starting a fire.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I'm curious about the Kansas City baseball thing though.
You made a face there.
For our non sports fan listeners or people outside the United States, the Kansas City baseball team is the Royals and their color is blue.
Royal blue.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Now, this is important because there's another Missouri baseball team whose color is red, which is the St. Louis Cardinals.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
This isn't a small matter for Missourians.
They have a strong feeling about what team you root for.
And if you root for one, you hate the other.
The same is always true for like the Kansas City Chiefs and the Saint Louis Rams and football.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
If you were in Missouri, you can only choose one.
Owen is from Saint Louis.
So either Alex doesn't know what team Owen likes, or he doesn't know what city Owen is from, because he's very clearly a Cardinals fan.
jordan holmes
I was going straight to like, oh, maybe what he means is football, and it was the Kansas City Chiefs.
dan friesen
Could be.
jordan holmes
Man, if he's from Saint Louis.
dan friesen
Also Alex said baseball twice.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he did say baseball.
Also, God, that makes so much sense.
dan friesen
What, that Alex doesn't know where Owen's from?
jordan holmes
No, that Owen's a Cardinals fan.
dan friesen
Hey man, Poehole's was really exciting.
It was a great show.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
I understand, I understand everything about that, but it's just, listen, it makes a lot of sense that he's a Cardinals fan.
dan friesen
I don't know if you can, I, look, I think it's pretty cool to be a Royals fan.
Sure.
I think it's cooler now than I think it's great to be a Royals fan.
jordan holmes
George Brett is awesome.
Salvador Perez is amazing.
End of the number of good players they've ever had.
dan friesen
I can't think of a single one because I don't care about baseball, but my friends probably could list a lot.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I look, they're great.
As someone who's from Missouri, yeah.
I think there's cred to liking the Kansas City teams.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And there's less cred to liking the Saint Louis teams.
Agreed.
But the Saint Louis teams were more like more successful in the era that I was younger.
jordan holmes
Traditionally, yeah.
dan friesen
Like the Rams won Super Bowls and the Chiefs didn't.
Yeah.
The Cardinals won World Series and the Royals sucked.
jordan holmes
Man, it's been a long time since the Rams.
dan friesen
And that's why there was cred to be a fan.
Yeah.
Anyway, this matters because Owen is very much from Saint Louis.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I think that Alexa doesn't know his.
jordan holmes
And he's a sports talk guy, right?
dan friesen
Like he used to be before he started his InfoWars.
jordan holmes
Sports are pretty important to this guy.
dan friesen
You bet.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's the cuck destroyer.
jordan holmes
Get it right.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He's a Cardinals cuck destroyer.
dan friesen
I think Alexa doesn't care.
unidentified
So look, Trump's not a pervert.
dan friesen
And if he was, okay, he'd be really smart about it.
alex jones
And Trump knows the big scandal the Democrats are going to bring is whatever's in the Epstein file.
And Musk found out about this and got really concerned and went, whoop, I'm not in this anymore.
I want to be totally clear.
I've seen zero evidence of Trump doing anything illegal with Jeffrey Epstein.
The Democrats and the Globalists and Bill Gates are all over it, the Royal Family.
Again, it's not Trump's MO to like kids, much less we know it's type bom not the type to let people get dirt on him or control him.
I mean, the guy is a control freak in a good way.
I mean, I'm not into kids at all.
And at the same time, if I was rich and powerful and I was a pervert or a sick one and I was smart, I sure as hell wouldn't go around on islands screwing kids.
I mean, zero chance of that.
jordan holmes
Thanks.
alex jones
So, and I know Trump's friends and longtime confidants and his wingmen and people that have stayed at his house a lot and Roger.
Just a super nice guy.
dan friesen
Yeah, so Roger says he's nice.
Roger says he's great.
jordan holmes
And as a wingman, he's probably never seen any kind of uncomfortable or bullshit behavior.
dan friesen
Oh, I mean, by Roger's standards maybe not.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
That's fair.
dan friesen
I think Roger could probably pass a lie detector test that says that Trump didn't do anything creepy in front of him.
jordan holmes
That seems normal to me.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So yeah, I think that Alex is not as convincing as he wants to be that Trump is not a dumb pervert.
jordan holmes
If you have just recently described him as a senile idiot, you can't then in the next sentence be like, But he's too smart to get caught.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He lit his car on fire, is what you just said.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, man.
jordan holmes
He is exactly dumb enough to be caught.
dan friesen
But Roger says he's nice.
unidentified
What a what a weird life Roger had.
dan friesen
And Alex is in a tough spot.
Yeah.
I really think that that's so indicative of that.
Like, what do I do?
jordan holmes
In case of fire, break glass.
And inside that, you got it, TVP.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'm trying to bring it back.
I'm messing him.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex is sick of the bullshit.
He's sick of the flip-floping.
Trump's doing too much flip-floping.
And man, does Alex hope it's intentional?
alex jones
I was so happy yesterday when Trump came out through his surrogates and said, no, we want to appoint a special counsel., we're going to have Pam Bondi release whatever she thinks is important from the file.
So now we've gone from there is no additional information to, oh yeah, there is and we'll release it.
And he had his surrogates out there like Laura Trump doing a great job saying, no, no, he wants to set things right.
And then he does a little improvised press conference and says, yeah, you know, Pam Bondi, she can release whatever she thinks is important.
Then he gets on the tarmac with Lutnik four or five hours later.
We'll play the clip coming up and says, you know, this is all a democrat hoax and anyone following it is only helping them.
And a repeat of all that, and I'm just like 180, 180, 180, flip flop, flip flop, flip flop, flip flop, and I'm just like, and then he puts out on True Social, I don't want your support.
Anyone that even talks about this again, you're bad.
unidentified
Listen to yourself, listen to yourself, that's you talking.
alex jones
You know the elephant in the room here.
Trump is not stupid.
Yes, you said he is.
To not talk about something is going to only make them look into it more.
So I sure hope this is some fifty D chess.
dan friesen
Oh, God.
jordan holmes
Okay, so in this analogy then, the senile man driving the burning car away is actually super genius.
dan friesen
It's brilliant.
jordan holmes
Because only an exploding car I have no further explanation.
I have nothing.
dan friesen
Only an exploding car is going to divert enough attention from the firehouse.
And we need to get everyone away from the firehouse.
Right.
Because they have a chili recipe that is super good there.
jordan holmes
Is it five alarm?
dan friesen
Yep, yep.
We have to sneak in, steal the chili recipe.
Because there's a witch who has a soulstone.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But she will trade me for this chili recipe.
jordan holmes
I like this soulstone idea.
dan friesen
So I have to blow up this car.
jordan holmes
Well, you convinced me.
Five hundred fifty each of us right there.
dan friesen
Man, this man is sad.
jordan holmes
How do you say the things you say out loud and not just go, Yeah, you know what?
I heard that in my brain and it sounded fine.
But now that it's outside of my brain, I have to go.
dan friesen
There's an elephant in the room and it's not what Alex thinks it is.
So, you know, he wants to believe.
He wants to believe in this special counsel idea.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He wants to believe that Trump is cool.
But at the same time, Alex can't., like when it comes to ego type shit, he can't deny all reality.
Right, and everyone can see that Trump is taunting him.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And everyone like him.
alex jones
And I don't know if he's on such a confidence trip, because he's had a lot of success, he's been through a lot, that he thinks he's invincible and that we will all just go, okay.
But there's a taunting to it.
I'm like, oh, look, he makes the point that they could have altered the file.
That's exactly what they do.
That would have worked.
That would have done it to him.
Absolutely.
Wow, that makes a lot of sense.
Wow, Laura Trump says they're going to make it right and release whatever they can.
Great, great.
Let's move on.
No.
My constituents are bad for asking questions, the majority of them.
So, you know what, Trump?
I'm glad the Democrats aren't in, and I like a lot of the success you're having and we're all having together.
And your statements about, you know, you people that bring this up don't even deserve to be involved in this movement.
You are excommunicata.
You are henceforth ex cathedra From the mouth of the God King, you are expelled.
From the church of the holy golden toad, Donald John Trump.
Well, I was never in the church of the holy golden toad.
I do like you being a maverick standing up for the country.
We have the same enemies.
I respect your stamina and courage.
Been a big cheerleader when I agree with what you're doing.
But if I'm being excommunicated, let me be clear.
I was never in your church to be excommunicated.
So you can't excommunicate me because I was never in your church.
I was never in a cult.
dan friesen
You can't fire me, I was working for free.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you were working for free.
That's definitely true.
dan friesen
This is pretty sad.
And I think that there's a little pause in there when he's like, it almost feels like he's about to say, Fuck you.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Fuck you, Trump.
And he can't get there, he's so close, and it feels like wrestling.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because it feels like he's about to hit the bad guy with a chair.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's going to turn against the bad guys and turn face.
You know, everyone can cheer that finally he's standing up for himself.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But he just can't get there.
jordan holmes
It's not going to happen.
It's just...
dan friesen
He needs alcohol.
unidentified
I mean...
jordan holmes
A little, a little, a little sailor's courage wouldn't hurt.
dan friesen
I just, I feel like, you know, in the same way that Trump is taunting them, Alex is teasing a little, you know, with that, that hope that he's ever going to get there.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, it's just one of those things, like, you can't sound more weak than when you're saying, No, I'm so strong.
That's the most weak you can sound is like, I was never in this church.
Motherfucker, you are the high priest.
dan friesen
Yeah, you laid the cornerstone.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
So, fucking Peter over here, yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
You are this church.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
There's no way around that.
And you can tell yourself that you're not to feel better now.
Yeah, and that's great.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But we all live in a shared reality and unfortunately for you, you can't undo this.
jordan holmes
No.
I mean, it sucks even more just like, it would make sense to me, at least, somewhat, if all of these people had gotten like a check for a thousand, like a tax rebate or anything, something that you could physically, tangangibly say, Thank God Trump did this thing for me.
As opposed to just the generalized feeling of, Well, immigrants are being hurt.
dan friesen
Well, and Roger says that Alex is cool.
jordan holmes
Right?
dan friesen
That's tangible.
jordan holmes
But it's just, he just feels this way.
You could just not, if you felt differently, nothing would change.
dan friesen
Maybe some sales and traffic numbers might change a little bit.
But like, yeah, there's just, come on, man.
You can't do this when you're fighting the devil.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
When Trump's supposed to be fighting the devil, you can't.
just be like, well, you know, what are you going to do?
He's senile and he's in a fiery truck now.
jordan holmes
It's the devil.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So it's not a cult.
Alex is not in a cult.
jordan holmes
How is it not a cult?
dan friesen
Because Alex says it's not.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a good reason.
dan friesen
And now he's being critical of Trump.
alex jones
Uh oh.
But now Trump, if this continues down this line, if he starts saying I'll excommunicate people, well, you're not allowed, unless it's a cult, to say to people, you either agree with everything I do and don't question things or you're not in our club, I don't want you.
Well, that kind of sounds like a thoroughbred cult to me.
And if I keep hearing more talk like that, I'm just, it's basically where I'm already at.
And I already said this, I'm going to give Trump report cards.
It's basically what I already did, but we're officially going to start doing it on basic issues.
I'm going to get the head of the John Burke Society on who actually puts out report cards or the experts on it, the really good report cards.
And we'll just start doing a monthly report card on Trump and say, okay, in our view, he did good here, he did good there.
You can look at the report card, you can look at where he did bad, and that's it.
And so I'm not going to be emotionally invested in this because I've never been a joiner.
dan friesen
So this is a telling clip because Alex obviously knows that if he were to be emotionally invested with this story at all, he should be ravening about how Trump is the devil and calling for his murder politically.
Alex's entire show runs on manipulating emotions, so when he says that he's not going to emotionally engage about Trump anymore, that's as close as he can get to say fuck Trump when he's sober.
Nobody cares about him doing boring report cards with JBS dorks when there are demons running around everywhere.
They're killing kids and Trump is covering it up.
His brand is entirely emotion, and if Alex can't give the audience that, they'll find it elsewhere, probably from some of Alex's avant garde Nazi friends that he keeps hanging out with.
jordan holmes
They're new.
dan friesen
They're very emotional.
Yeah.
Very passionate.
jordan holmes
I'm always amazed at people like Alex, who clearly have a practical understanding of something, but somehow don't have a real understanding of it.
Like, if anyone should understand the, hey, listen, five or six more times and I'm really going to be mad about this, it's Alex.
No one has ever been given more than ten thousand times and I'm going to be mad at you, right?
And now he's doing it for Trump.
And it's like, you know what happens if you allow this to happen.
It's you.
dan friesen
Yeah, it it there's that dynamic.
And then I think on top of that, there's a like, what he's doing is, I don't want to play any more.
Yeah.
Like, he has wallowed in this mire, this disgusting sandbox of like exploiting crimes against children.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
For his own profit and engagement numbers.
Yeah.
And now it's like, no, I didn't do this.
I'm I look, I'm just going to give a report card.
I'm checking out.
We're going to be very clinical about this.
Yeah.
Fuck you, man.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You don't get to choose.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I was winning right, but now that the other team took the lead, I think we should end the game.
Uh, you guys can keep playing, but I'm going to take my ball.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I know I said the floor was lava, but I have anti lava boots.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
Oh, man, Jesus Christ, we're playing pretend with cheaters.
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Fuck you.
jordan holmes
I actually have an invisible bullet shield.
unidentified
Oh, god damn it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Very disrespectful.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, uh, Alex can't be in a cult because he has important blood in his veins.
jordan holmes
That doesn't feel true.
dan friesen
He's so important with his blood.
jordan holmes
I understand that, but it feels like that's very culty.
dan friesen
You can't be in a cult if you have great blood.
alex jones
And so I pride my relationship with God, my family, my country, and my ancestors being ridiculous badasses across the board.
It just goes from incredible to insane, and I never get into all of it, but it's prestigious on both sides, just all the way back to freaking you name it.
And so I mean, I got the blood of the Vikings that conquered England a thousand years ago.
I got it all, folks.
jordan holmes
And yeah, they weren't in a cult.
alex jones
I am not anybody's c just get that one hundred percent straight.
So that said, I'm not emotional about it.
I'm going to support Trump when he's good.
I'm going to criticize him when he's bad.
And I'm not going to let myself be manipulated by this type of childish behavior.
That's why I'm giving out reports to Trump more or making it all personal and trying to twist everything and becoming obsessed with undermining Trump.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
I like 95% of what he's doing.
I have my morals.
I have my issues.
I will not be gaslight, but I am very saddened.
dan friesen
But not emotional.
I agree with 95% of what he's doing, but that 5% is working with the devil to specifically exploit the other 95% to trick me into supporting him.
jordan holmes
The problem with the report card, right?
dan friesen
A plus, check minus, what are we talking about?
jordan holmes
Like, say you're a student who is in league with the devil, right?
If you can still get an A, there's really no problem with being in league withague with the devil, right?
dan friesen
You still got an A. I think there's some grading issues.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there needs to be a dequeue.
Maybe a dequeue is involved, you know?
Like once you work with the devil, I don't care what your report card is, you're dequeued, you're out.
dan friesen
Yeah, you know how, like, you'll have tests along the way through a semester.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But then the final counts for more.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So if you don't do the final, oftentimes, maybe it will get you to a failing grade.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It will really severely impact your grade.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
The devil is the final.
jordan holmes
It is, it's really hard to get past that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Or at the very least, you know, like we're going back to the challenge.
dan friesen
The challenge.
jordan holmes
Going back to the challenge.
We watched the challenge.
There was an episode that my wife was playing, and it was the episode where someone took a, or was it Tina?
I think Tina took a swing at Beth and hit her and was like, You gotta leave the show.
Honestly, it didn't affect her.
She's been on there for thirty more years or whatever.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But you gotta leave this time.
You just gotta go.
dan friesen
Yeah.
If you work with the devil, you're out.
jordan holmes
You gotta go.
Yeah.
And when you stop working with the devil, maybe we'll see you next season.
You gotta be it factor for the show.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, we'll let you, oh man, I'll let you back, but you're out.
You're out, man.
You succumbed.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we let Tony come back every time somehow.
But we kick him off every time too.
dan friesen
When he swings, you gotta go.
jordan holmes
When he swings, you gotta go.
dan friesen
So the Dems, they're trying to claw their way into Alex's building as we speak.
Okay.
They are trying to get all his stuff through courts.
Because of his bankruptcy.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it's kind of like the attack on Zion at the end of the Matrix.
jordan holmes
That sounds true, yeah.
alex jones
And I'll just say this, it is very paradoxical to have the Democrats frothing more viciously than ever, like World War Z zombies trying to scratch their way in to shut this place down.
So they can run around metaphysically with our severed head like some Roman standard when it won't even do that.
I've been waiting for you, Obi-Wan.
We meet again.
The circle is now complete.
When I left you, I was but the learner.
Now I am the master.
Only a master of evil, Darth.
You should not have come back.
You can't win, Darth.
If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.
But see, that's their nature.
They don't care.
Just, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah.
dan friesen
Yeah, so I can't help but think about how Alex was making fun of Ted Cruz for using Star Wars analogies to appealal to his dumb boomer audience.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But now he's doing line by line readings.
And from memory.
dan friesen
Dispassionate reading.
Yeah.
That sounded like a bummed out Obi Wan.
jordan holmes
It felt a little bit like he was sucking his thumb.
dan friesen
If you straightened me down, I'd be stronger.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Right?
Can't you feel him just being like, I'm saying these words because they calm me?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's like whenever I watch Star Wars and I remember that Darth Vader's the best.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's sad.
Very sad.
jordan holmes
Yeah, not good.
dan friesen
But what's not sad?
jordan holmes
What isn't sad?
dan friesen
Alex seems to have remembered the demon idea.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
The idea that Trump had a demon in him.
jordan holmes
Perfect.
Now we're rolling.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I don't know how it has slipped his mind up to this point, but he's getting back to that, the flesh.
jordan holmes
Hell yeah.
dan friesen
Trump was engaging with the flesh.
jordan holmes
Fuck yeah, there we go.
alex jones
But from insiders that know Trump very well, they say, all the pressure on him and his family, the attempts to kill him, he's such a workhorse that he didn't crack up, he didn't fall apart, he didn't become a failure, he didn't buckle the stress, but he, like Doomsday, the more you attack him, the stronger he gets.
And I'm only 51, and being messed with and attacked, and just viciously lied about and persecuted, doesn't make me feel sor want to give up?
It makes me want to fight even harder.
And I've had to pray a lot about this.
And I think you've seen it on air, folks.
It's not demonic energy, but if you study it and experience it, tectonic, berserker, extreme male will is fleshly and it's something God gave us to be able to use to defend ourselves and motivate ourselves.
But the devil can jack into that energy.
dan friesen
Mike Tyson has talked about it.
jordan holmes
Well, now that Mike Tyson has talked about it.
dan friesen
Would you describe that as a toxic kind of masculinity??
jordan holmes
What about that?
Could sound toxic to you?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
With the devil being involved?
dan friesen
It's tainted by the devil.
jordan holmes
Should we should, is that really what we needed to have done the whole time to communicate with people like this?
Whoa, whoa, whoa, it's not toxic masculinity.
Yeah, you just need to worry about demonic masculinity.
dan friesen
The devil can tap into your Berserker energy.
jordan holmes
Every time you're with someone and you're like, Oh, maybe I'll make this comment.
That's the devil.
So shut the fuck around women.
dan friesen
If you just use religious and sci-fi words, I think you could sell Alex on Woke.
jordan holmes
I, you know what?
I don't, I don't think you're wrong.
It reminds me of, it reminds me too much of the Adventure Time episode where the princess is like, Can I give you this vaccaccine.
They're like, no, vaccines are evil.
We use magic.
And then at the end, she's like, this is magic.
unidentified
Bam.
jordan holmes
And just gives him the vaccine.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
That's probably what would work.
jordan holmes
Probably.
dan friesen
So Trump, he's been with the flesh.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And Alex is describing how, like, when you're determined like him and Trump, and people are being a dick to you, you don't give up.
You work harder.
alex jones
Sure.
dan friesen
Or you cheat.
And cheat by embracing evil energy.
jordan holmes
Sure.
Wait, what?
dan friesen
Which is what Trump has done.
Hold on, because about a year ago, he decided to put on Sauron's Ring.
jordan holmes
Okay, that happened.
alex jones
But the devil can jack into that energy.
You know, Mike Tyson talked about it.
And so when I get in that state, I resonate stronger with the dark side and I got to be real careful because I'm very empathic.
We all are, but I'm extremely empathic.
And you don't want something to jump in the driver's seat.
So the ring of Mordor is right there.
unidentified
I can just go, whoop, right now.
alex jones
It's very tempting.
I would become a terrible king.
I'm not going to put on the ring I'm not going to put on the ring Trump put it on, boys and girls, about he was flirting, putting it on and off until Butler he put it on.
When he hit the ground, you see that photo of him on the ground bleeding, you look at that face, when he popped back up, he died.
jordan holmes
He actually died.
He was dead.
dan friesen
Before that, he was Bilboing.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Yeah.
He died and then his, you know, then his body was healed by the demon and now it's Demon Trump.
Boom.
unidentified
We've got even, we've got even, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
What?
dan friesen
This doesn't work with the Gene Heckman timeline.
jordan holmes
Fuck, you're right.
dan friesen
If it did, shit.
It would be perfect.
jordan holmes
You're right.
You're right.
unidentified
We have to find a way to fit Gene Hackman in there.
dan friesen
Yeah, because the demon, Alex needing to save Gene Hackman has to be important to this, right?
Otherwise, our cinematic universe falls apart.
jordan holmes
And it can't be as a distraction because Alex didn't actually do anything about it, and then Gene Hackman just died.
Right?
Yeah.
unidentified
Fuck.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I don't know what it is exactly, how this works out, but yeah, I guess Trump died and put the ring on.
He fell onto the ring or something.
jordan holmes
I mean, this is when you get into Tom Bombadil areas of there's only one man who can carry the ring and that's the man forest spirit who's maybe eternal.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I also think that this is not doing what the work you need to do to defend Trump.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like this is like, okay, kill him then, right?
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's he's evil.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You said you just put on the ring.
You just said not just he put on the ring, but you did it in a way that suggested it was a bad thing and that since then only bad things have happened.
dan friesen
Well, it's not always a bad thing if you're responsible like Tom Bombadell or whatever, but it's bad because of the flesh and demons.
So Alex has spent hours on his show waxing poetic about how Trump's determined face after he got shot and he chanted fight, fight, fight, that's the look of God's energy energy in a person.
He specifically talked about how this is, you know, that energy.
unidentified
Maybe he just is backwards and the devil tricked him.
dan friesen
He might be.
jordan holmes
He might be.
dan friesen
Alex has been very clear about this, like, visual identifier that he has, and now that's supposed to be the moment that Trump put on the evil ring.
So none of this shit means anything, but if Alex could see in Trump's face that he'd put on the ring at the Butler rally, why would he still try to get Trump elected?
The ring is evil.
It's not possibly evil.
It's just straight up evil.
And electing someone who put on the ring as president is a stupid thing to do.
Alex's whole thing with the Butler rally was that God specifically intervened to save Trump's life.
So did God do that just so Trump would immediately put on the ring?
It does feel like it's devil stuff.
unidentified
Yeah.
Uh oh.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
That's not good.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
You know?
dan friesen
No.
Do You know what though?
I think if I ever got into a position where I was defending a politician I liked by saying, well, I put on the ring.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Defense.
That's a defense.
dan friesen
I think I would quit.
jordan holmes
That would be the time.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Here's the thing, right?
If you're going to spin this in a positive way, right?
Don't choose, let's say, relatively young adult morality tales with a clear good and evil in them.
Choose like a time line spanning thing where it's like maybe nothing means anything and actually, evil actions could eventually lead to good results if you just expand the time line out longer.
Do something like that.
No, that that the message of Dude is very different.
dan friesen
But it's confusing.
jordan holmes
That is actually a very healthy thing.
dan friesen
And the books are long.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
Yeah, you could be like Paul Atreides committed a genocide and he's still the good guy, right?
dan friesen
For a minute.
That's why I feel like Childhood's End is a really good thing for him to refer to.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's obscure enough that a lot of people haven't read it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
At least less than Lord of the Rings.
Right, right.
This is dumb.
Yeah.
But the ring, it's not even from the movie.
It's not even from the book.
jordan holmes
Wait, now wait, what?
Wait, how can it be from something that created it?
dan friesen
It's an archetype.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
dan friesen
Like Conan the Barbarian.
alex jones
The Ring went on, and that's what's going on.
That's the best analogy, but it's not a movie.
It's, you know, that's a great archetype.
It's not a book.
It's what that book is based on in the real world is an allegory.
jordan holmes
Heaven?
alex jones
By the genius JRR Tolkien.
And so, uh, yeah.
Yeah, Trump's enemies ought to really watch out because he put it on.
And what he's saying to everybody is, you better get out of my way.
And I'm a chronicler.
I alone can tell you of the days of great adventure.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
unidentified
God bless you.
alex jones
That's the intro to that classic.
Millis masterpiece, Cohen the Barbarian, the second one was terrible by the director, the writer.
But what a powerful representation of the great archetypal books of Robert E. Howard from Texas, who himself could have been a heavyweight champion, but a maniac.
You know, that you're reading those Conan books, that's what's in his mind.
Untrained rider riding that savage stuff, because that's what was in him.
And his mother dies, so he blew his head off in the parking lot of a hospital in Texas.
dan friesen
Sure.
alex jones
But the point is, is that I'm sorry?
See if you guys can find the intro to Conan where it's got the photos.
I alone can tell you the days of great adventure.
But see, that's my archetype.
My job is to tell you what I really think.
dan friesen
I am a storyteller.
jordan holmes
There you go.
dan friesen
This Trump guy sounds like shit.
It makes you wonder why someone would have been into him in the first place.
But you have to consider that, like, he was a totally different guy before he put on the Rick.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You know, so that's kind of why it's all cool.
jordan holmes
Then we bail, because the guy was different.
So now we bail.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Because he's a different guy.
dan friesen
And we have to stop him.
jordan holmes
We have no further obligation to the guy who used to be.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Because once you become a different guy, you're no longer that guy.
I don't understand how this is complicated.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I swear, man, if Alex's parents didn't make him think that schools were liberal indoctrination centers, I think he could have lived a really happy life as an English teacher who just ranted at kids about sci-fi all day.
jordan holmes
It wouldn't be the first one I've ever met.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think maybe he would even be maybe he would fit into that kind of world.
jordan holmes
Oh yeah.
You can be a cool teacher.
You could be a cool teacher.
Absolutely.
You can, like, I don't play by the rules.
You could meet famous people and then to the students be like, but actually he's kind of, uh, he sleeps with people.
You know, like, and do the whole thing.
dan friesen
You can have kids with, uh, like, gossip about famous writers and Absolutely.
jordan holmes
It doesn't even have to be true.
dan friesen
You can just have kids working on your novel..
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
God damn.
That's the life for him.
jordan holmes
Everything could be better for everyone.
dan friesen
Here's let me tell you about Howard and how he shot his head off in a parking lot because of his mom.
jordan holmes
You know, think about those few kids.
dan friesen
You want to be a good writer?
Box.
jordan holmes
Those few kids who maybe, you know what, maybe their lives aren't great because their English teacher is Alex Jones, but they took the hit for the rest of us.
You know, they keep the rest of us safe.
dan friesen
So I don't know.
I think maybe English teacher Alex Jones wouldn't have, you know, fallen down a lot of these dark roads.
unidentified
Well, I'm thinking he'd still be drinking.
jordan holmes
That's true.
I don't think they gotta.
dan friesen
Yeah, and who knows, like what kind of, what's inevitable??
Right.
jordan holmes
Hey, I wouldn't be the first teacher I saw with a flask in her desk.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So look, Trump is bad.
Issh, kinda, bad.
jordan holmes
Not very.
dan friesen
He put on the ring.
jordan holmes
He put on the ring.
dan friesen
Yeah, but he's not, look, he's good.
He's great.
He's fine.
I'm afraid of him, honestly.
If I could be totally clear, his enemies are going to pay, and I don't want to be one of his enemies.
jordan holmes
I like, I like all of what you're saying.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Now, boil it down to how do you fit that on a report card?
alex jones
Bad.
jordan holmes
Check minus.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
But look, it's everyone else's fault.
jordan holmes
That sounds true.
dan friesen
This is really the left's fa Ralph's fault.
unidentified
Wow.
alex jones
And I want to tell the Democrats and the Globalists and the Deep State something.
You are really playing with nuclear hellfire.
And I've thought about the last few months going ahead and saying this, and I think the Russians and the Chinese already know this.
He's not putting on a guy that's gone to another level to intimidate people and stuff.
It's one hundred percent.
People messed with him too much.
They screwed with him too hard.
And again, I've only been through ten percent of what he's been through.
And it made me get a lot because I didn't give up.
It made me I'm a way meaner, way smarter, way stronger.
And I said this about a year ago when I started to go through this metamorphosis.
I said, I really feel sorry for the globalists.
And I also said, I'm I'm almost ashamed I've made this decision because it's not it's not becoming evil, but it's taking the governor off.
And that's a slippery slope to becoming Sauron if you got the gear.
And I got the gear, so I know.
I know the gear Trump's got.
And it's dangerous.
And that's why the globalists hate my guts.
That's why they hate Trump.
They hate people that pack the gear to wear the ring.
Well, guess what, boys?
Trump just put it on.
And you're in a lot of deep shit.
And I'm stepping back going, everything you said he was, everything you manifested, every you conjured this.
You did this.
You did it.
jordan holmes
It's all your fault.
You know what I wonder?
This what this brings up to me is this question, right?
Time Machine, 2015, play for Alex what he is saying on this episode.
I think they still do it.
I think they still go for Trump.
dan friesen
Yeah, because it would be like a deep fake or something.
jordan holmes
Something.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I don't know.
I mean, I don't feel like this mentality is too different from Nazis who just blame, you know, Hitler's victims for Hitler's rise.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, if you guys hadn't allowed him to rise and let us yell, you're our God King, then we wouldn't be in this situation.
So it is kind of your fault, isn't it?
dan friesen
It's this is, I mean, honestly, I feel it's very pathetic.
I don't really know how else to look at it than pathetic.
He wants to be the chronicler now.
Yeah.
Because shit is real hot in the kitchen and he has nowhere to go.
Yeah.
And so like, oh, look at me.
I'm just I'm a storyteller out here just telling you what it is.
I have no responsibility for creating this demon.
No, no, no.
I've been watching this all the time, really.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
The piece of shit is the guy who grabs your fist and then hits you with it and goes, Stop hitting yourself right now.
Now a guy like me who is miles away shouting, Hey, stop hitting yourself to Alex is not the same thing because he is hitting himself.
This is not safe behavior.
No one is hitting you.
No one is hitting you.
You are hitting yourself in the face over and over again.
dan friesen
Yeah, in a way that we all get hit too, somehow.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We're your collateral damage from your own self-flagellation.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Just shut up.
jordan holmes
Just go away.
dan friesen
So I thought that this, this old like you left, you fucking idiots, you created this bad Trump.
jordan holmes
It's our fault.
dan friesen
You fucked with him too much.
jordan holmes
We made him put on the ring by, excuse me, what was it we did again?
dan friesen
And I thought that this was a little bit reminiscent of some anti Semitic ideas through history, and what do you know, he immediately connects it to Israel creating this.
jordan holmes
Great, there we go.
alex jones
You conjured this, you did this.
Just like Israel lobby, running around the last thirty years, censoring the internet and harassing mainline conservatives and trying to intimidate them to become Israeli operatives triggered these people to now be attacking Israel on every front.
You conjured this, and then now you've got what you said was coming.
You made it happen.
Nick Fuentes was working for the Daily Wire and was pro-Israel, and then they tried to henpeck him and basically get him to Israel to be a Mossad operative.
He figured it out.
jordan holmes
By henpecking him?
alex jones
Fire him and then tried to get him banned everywhere, and then look what he turned into.
Oh, he's got gear.
He's that's very smart.
He's got a will.
He's twenty six.
Imagine if they persecuted Nick Fuentes.
If you couldn't shoot Nick Fuentes till he's 78, that would be a pretty scary creature.
Nick Fuentes said, I saw the clip a few days ago, he said, This is the dark infowars.
This is the dark Alex.
Yeah, it is.
dan friesen
This isn't dark infowars.
It's just desperate infowars.
This was always the subtext, and a lot of the audience got that he was just spouting antisemitic tropes from history and subing in the word globalist for Jewish.
But there used to be a reason to keep that act up.
The reason was money, in the sense that most people really don't like Nazis and don't want to be associated with them.
So in the past, you'd get kicked off social media platforms if you were too antisemitic.
That danger doesn't exist now anymore and you can just do whatever you want online.
At the same time that this risk has disappeared, Alex's potential audience is also disappearing.
A lot of the meat and potatoes libertarian Ron Paul type fans are probably super old by now and a lot of them died from COVID.
There's no left-leaning people who could really get into Alex's shtick, and the audience that he's cultivated think that they're part of a war between God and the devil.
If Trump has put on the one ring and is covering up the Epstein case and you can't say that he's working with the devil, then how can anyone who believes they're in a war think that you're anything other than lukewarm?
God detests the lukewarm.
jordan holmes
He's not a fan, famously.
dan friesen
Nazi types are really the only audience Alex can chase, and he's going to be disappointed about how bad the returns on that are going to be.
While he's been busy playing his let's talk in coded language for respectability's sake games, a whole industry of people like Nick has popped up, and Alex is a joke to them.
He's a washed up boomer who's trying to chase relevance by hanging out with the avant garde cool kids.
I don't know this for sure, but I don't really think that Nick ever worked at the Daily Wire.
He was on the right side broadcasting network, but he was kicked off after he went to the Unite the Right rally.
Even fairly early in his career, he was a big antisemite and he was trying to take down Turning Point USA because they're too friendly with Israel.
In the same way that Trump's handling of Epstein stuff has been self-defeating, this carrying water for Nick is self-defeating for Alex.
He's understandably bummed out that Trump doesn't want him around, but he's going to find out that these avant-garde Nazis don't like him either, and they already have supplement dealers if they're interested in that.
There's nothing to gain here.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you know, like the dynamic all too often between youth pastor and youth group is youth pastor really wants to hang out with kids, you know?
Yeah.
Not necessarily, not necessarily in a creepy or gross way, but in like, it could be or it could be.
dan friesen
These are the people who think I'm cool, like coach McGurk.
jordan holmes
Exactly, and that's the dynamic here is like, you're not supposed to be a youth pastor.
The kids in the youth group go like, this guy needs to stop playing Wonder Wall, please.
dan friesen
Yeah, but in the youth group, it's the youth group leader really wants these kids to think he's cool.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Right?
Yeah.
And that's fine.
Except in this case, these youth group members are into hard drugs.
jordan holmes
Pardon, Nazis, yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And they're going to get you into those hard drugs or you're not going to be cool.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So you're never going to be cool.
dan friesen
Good luck.
alex jones
anyway Trump's Hitler now but that's okay it's my fault you're too mean I'll take it I'm aggressive alpha male so when I continually get tortured that which doesn't kill you only makes you stronger you're
gonna get this so what I'm trying to explain to our enemies is this we're not like you camp followers you know groups of people Beta's that want power, that get into little clubs and do passive aggressive, sneaky, criminal, weird stuff, okay?
You're going around conjuring armies of men that will destroy you.
And I understand the danger of what you've conjured.
So I'm saying you're really dangerous and bad and horrible, and you're sickening Satanism and weakness.
And then historically, when that rises, it conjures something that isn't very Christlike that smashes you.
And then in the process, you've got to get in total alignment with the Emperor King that will deliver us from you, but it turns into something even worse down the road.
Great job, globalist.
Great job, New World Order.
Great job.
dan friesen
What a mess.
So I guess this is how you rationalize.
jordan holmes
I like plaudits.
I'll take that.
I like being told great job.
Thank you.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Very much.
dan friesen
The Chronicler has come up with a new angle on this story, which is that, you know, Trump becoming a tyrant and, you know, maybe ethnically cleansing the United States and killing off everyone, putting in martial law, whatever.
That's, I mean, look, it's what happens.
jordan holmes
Right.
That's right.
dan friesen
What happens when gay people can get married and gender identity is not stigmatized publicly?
Yeah.
Hey man, all these kinds of things are that you bring upon your own destruction.
jordan holmes
You know, okay.
So like in an evolutionary arms race, you know, like the gazelle and the cheetah or whatever it is, right?
I understand that the gazelle evolves to defeat the cheetah.
You know, they try to survive.
And so it's a conflict that never ends, right?
But it only started because the cheetah eats people.
Okay.
That's why we're in this situation.
You guys eat people.
Yeah.
And then we have to adapt to all that shit.
dan friesen
Yeah, the gazelle isn't adapting ways to kill the cheetah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the.
dan friesen
It's surviving and running away.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
This is what I do.
I'm doing all these things because you're an asshole.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I guess, I guess this is saying, like, I'm a cheetah because you keep evolving.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because you keep running away, I have to get better claws.
unidentified
Absolutely.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
No, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I can't relax anymore.
Because you keep evolving.
How do you feel about that?
Does that make you feel good that I can't watch TV?
dan friesen
I guess in nature, I'm neutral on it, but as far as people go, it's a little different.
Yeah.
alex jones
We're a little stupid.
jordan holmes
Hey, listen, if we're a cheater or a gazelle, we all have to eat, right?
dan friesen
Yeah.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
So the left, they've conjured Demon Trump.
Sure.
And look, man, Alex really, really wants that Conan clip.
alex jones
So the Democrats, the left, Hollywood, the New World Order, they're the enemy.
They're the established rotting, sickening palace of evil.
And then when you go out and wage war against the countryside and invade every sector of society and come for our children.
Historically it doesn't bring forth a Jesus Christ.
That's a one time deal.
brings forth a Titus who will burn you to the ground.
So, that's the reality.
I want the voiceover from the intro of it.
jordan holmes
You prick.
alex jones
That's what I wanted.
That's for years.
It's not a big deal.
It's for certain things, though.
I can never have.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
It's intro credits to Killing Head guys.
Okay, not that it started moving.
Oh my God.
It's going to be, no, no problem.
Now, actually, just forget it.
Let's not do it.
unidentified
So, yeah, don't do it.
dan friesen
Dude is angry.
Yeah, I mean, I I'm tired of this, this, this storyline.
There's no real way out.
It's basically just like, all right, Trump sucks now, but he's our king.
And you deal with it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, it's just like, I told you.
jordan holmes
And you didn't?.
If you want to blame me, right?
If you want to blame the left or whatever, then you have to then hold yourself accountable to it being our fault, which is suggesting that what you really want is for us to give you this little space and coddle you like a bunch of babies where you're allowed to live free and roam and be racist to whoever you want, because it's only white people there, right?
But that's not what they want.
That isn't going to help.
That isn't what they they want to fuck people over.
And then whenever they fuck themselves over, it's somebody else's fault.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And when, you know, the sort of.
road runs out.
They want to create the impression that the people who are being hurt are the ones to blame because they didn't submit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, like you insisted on having a pride parade.
We told you to stop.
You could have stopped.
jordan holmes
We didn't ask you, we told you.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
We told you exactly like we did bomb threats at schools.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like you understand?
We were very clear.
We shot abortion clinics.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
We have made our intentions clear.
Y'all didn't stop.
Now you created Trump.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He's a demon.
dan friesen
He put on the ring.
He's going to do all that stuff and more.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
We warned you with the shootings and stuff.
jordan holmes
Here we are.
We told you that we're going to have all the guns, and now look at us with all these bullets in our feet.
How could you let us do this?
dan friesen
And it's also a little bit of an illusion because it's still just like, Trump's just going to do the stuff that we wanted him to do, like really aggressively now.
So, bye bye.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah, it's a complete abdication of even taking any kind of responsibility.
dan friesen
I am the chronicler.
jordan holmes
Exactly, exactly.
Like, I actually love that.
Actually, I'm outside of of this whole thing.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
You're right.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I was pretty central to it at the beginning, but that was that wasn't even that was just chronicling.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That was just regular chronicling.
dan friesen
Like, you watch some of those clips from Bring Me Roger Stone.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And like him and Alex at the RNC, and like they're so fucking happy.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
dan friesen
They're so in the mix with all this stuff.
And then Alex is like, Oh no, shit's gotten bad.
I don't want to play any more.
I'm the chronicler.
Look at my new hat.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Fuck you dude.
jordan holmes
Fuck you.
Just eat it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Eat it.
And he should.
And one of the things he has to eat is a clip of Trump.
jordan holmes
Hell yeah.
dan friesen
And it is more or less talking about people like Alex.
donald j trump
I'd rather talk about the success we have with the economy, the best we've ever had, and all the things we've done, including in the Middle East.
I mean, you see it.
Instead, they want to talk about the Epstein hoax.
And the sad part is it's hoax.
People that are really doing the Democrats' work.
They're stupid people.
unidentified
Yeah, go ahead.
alex jones
So Trump thinks he's got enough pull with the constituency to slap us around a little bit.
And then we'll be good little boys and girls and shut up.
And for me, it's not even the Epstein story now.
It's this behavior.
I just spent the last thirty minutes talking about.
dan friesen
It's all of it.
alex jones
And the Democrats will take what I said out of context and you'll say, I'm attacking Trump.
No, you just heard what I said.
And you know it's true.
And so I really mean this, everyone should pray for Trump and pray for the Holy Spirit to be even stronger with him and to lead God and direct him and give him greater discernment and purify him and cleanse him.
Because I have to say this prayer sometimes twice a day when I start, you know, turning into lead Lex Luthor, folks.
I mean, I don't do anything corrupt or bad.
I don't do dirty tricks.
I don't lie.
But man, could I?
I mean, I could just really wreck stuff.
And that's why they want me off the air, because they think, God, that guy has a lot of pull.
He could do a lot of damage.
No, you guys are doing the damage.
I'm trying to stop you, okay?
I don't want power.
I don't want to be in tuxedoes at Mar Lago.
I don't want to be at the White House.
I've already been invited.
I had the White House calling me this morning.
That's a whole different thing.
A bunch of big heavy hitters calling.
And it's like, what do you want, Alex?
How can we make you happy?
And I'm like, can Trump please stop destroying himself?
and us with him?
Well, yeah, he, you know, he does what he thinks is best.
Strike Zannifeg, yeah, we know.
Yeah, you know, don't you?
You know I'm right.
dan friesen
Could he please cover this up better?
jordan holmes
Oh my God.
dan friesen
I'm a good guy.
I'm trying to solve the world's problems like Lex Luthor.
jordan holmes
It is, like, do they even know what they're admitting to?
dan friesen
You know, he must.
jordan holmes
He has to.
You, you have to understand that what you're, what you're saying is that you and everyone around you and everyone around the President of the United States knows he's a fucking idiot.
Yeah.
Who is probably a superchild rapist.
dan friesen
Probably.
jordan holmes
Right?
dan friesen
There's an elephant in the room one way.
jordan holmes
You all know this collectively and you're speaking it out loud as though that's not a problem in itself.
dan friesen
It's not compared to him not shutting up.
jordan holmes
Right?
Right.
dan friesen
So like the Streisand effect, Jordan.
jordan holmes
If all of you agree on this and all of you know this and he doesn't actually have the ability to do anything, put him in a little room.
dan friesen
I mean, that would solve maybe the problem of him calling you stupid.
unidentified
There you go.
jordan holmes
Just fucking manipulate him instead of taking his order., how insane are you to take his order?
dan friesen
He's the one who takes everything.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
If you're the one saying he's an idiot, then treat him like an idiot and get him to do what you want.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Or poison his Diet Coke, like you claim everyone's trying to do all the time or something.
You know, like you could slow acting poison him like they did ten years ago or whatever.
jordan holmes
God.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's it's incredibly stupid.
And I think that there's just a there's it feels a lot like a cowardly heartbreak.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know?
That feels like a lot of what's going on.
And you hear, like, Alex, I got a call from the White House.
Trump doesn't think I'm stupid.
If he thinks I'm stupid, what is going on?
Why did I play that clip?
I still love this man.
jordan holmes
Oh my God.
alex jones
I can see his body language.
I've been through some similar things.
And I I still love Trump.
But I kept asking who's giving this horrible advice.
It's him.
I said it last Monday.
First to say it, it's Trump behind all this.
He admits it.
All you people that said, oh, you're attacking Trump, it's Bondi.
You're wrong again, I'm right again.
And it's not about, oh, I'm smart.
It's about, start having some respect out there, dipshits.
dan friesen
Yeah, you dipshits.
I said it was Suzy Wiles.
What, what, what's going on, dipshits?
jordan holmes
Mm.
dan friesen
Start having some respect on his name.
jordan holmes
Like, I understand, like, listen, I understand all the rules, I understand all the laws, and I get the constitution.
But if all of you agree in the government, this guy shouldn't be president, just like everyone, close your eyes for five seconds, and then he's not president, and then we'll just act like everything is exactly the same as it was before.
Well, you know?
dan friesen
Well, that depends on the people who Alex is.
talking to in the White House being real.
If they are real And he is actually talking to someone and it's not like, I don't know, one of those phones for kids.
Right, you know?
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
It could be.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It could definitely be.
dan friesen
If he's talking to someone in the White House, then yeah, they are admitting that they all think he's a total fucking idiot.
jordan holmes
How could you not?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Look at it.
Look at where we are.
dan friesen
Alex does say that, like, if you look around this cabinet, the cabinet meetings, everyone is just high on the power, the raw power that Trump is exuding because he put on the ring.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I guess that's an explanation.
Is he intoxicated?
jordan holmes
I mean, I just, I understand that he is the president of the United States.
According to all these rules and laws and votes and stuff.
But the President of the United States that was elected is a fiction.
It's imaginary.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Right?
dan friesen
The image that's in the voters' heads or whatever.
Sure.
jordan holmes
It's just, it's just pure fiction.
You didn't elect that person.
dan friesen
Yeah, and a lot of you elected not another person.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
As opposed to some person.
jordan holmes
We don't have to do this just because, like, it's just so crazy to me.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Just like you're there next to him and be like, hey, no.
dan friesen
Hey, did you tweet that?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Hey, no.
We're, guess what?
Guess where we're going?
We're going to a super important summit between you and the most powerful people in the world.
And then you go to Chuck E. Cheese or something, you know, like it'd be fine.
He wouldn't know.
He's senile and driving an exploding car, so just get rid of the car.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
dan friesen
A lot of this still doesn't solve Alex's problem though, you dip shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
His real problem is that no one fucking respects him.
Alex can't get no respect anymore.
jordan holmes
I think that might be his real problem.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And so he complains about that and talks about how he's a wizard.
alex jones
Have some little respect when someone has a track record of 98 percent.
Bunch of Johnny come lately's came and found their ass with both hands, don't know anything.
You got four phone calls from the White House this morning?
No, I don't think you did.
You want Steve Bannon's show tomorrow?
No, I don't think you did.
You pick the phone up and call Joe Rogan right now or Tucker Carlson?
No, I don't think you can.
Can I get on the phone and get Trump on the phone by tonight?
Yeah, I can.
Could I get invited to the White House in my logo the last six months?
Yeah.
Did I go?
No.
Not because I'm too cool.
It's just, it's not my bag, man.
I'm the wizard off in the wilderness.
jordan holmes
Radagast.
unidentified
Always.
alex jones
Staying away from the glitz and the glamour, I'm in my cave and I come out of my cave when the sun rises in the morning and walk through the forests.
And I come out of my cave at night when the stars are shining bright.
And I think about the world and the universe and how things operate and envision the way through this tumultuous, dangerous storm we're in.
You don't see Merlin in the archetype of King Arthur hanging out at the parties at the feast in the throne room.
dan friesen
I like this Merlin analogy.
Because have you watched the show?
jordan holmes
Which show?
There was any of them.
dan friesen
They all follow the same track.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, yeah, it's Merlin.
It's the story of Merlin.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
If you watch the show closely and you pay attention, some people can miss this.
King Arthur's only seen talking to Merlin once, like really early on.
And then after that point, Merlin just talks a ton about how King Arthur likes him and how close they are.
He keeps bragging about how he could totally go to the round table if he wanted to, but that's not his bag.
Arthur seems to not even know or care.
that Merlin exists, but strangely Merlin keeps interviewing Sir Bedivere about how cool Arthur is.
Yeah.
It's really strange.
People forget that about the legend.
jordan holmes
Which is crazy because you think Arthur would care a lot since the wizard is so powerful, right?
You'd have to rely on the wizard all the time for all the things that the wizard can do, right?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Like what can the wizard do?
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But he's just talking to Bedivere all the time.
jordan holmes
Yeah, what I mean, he's a cool guy.
dan friesen
I guess.
jordan holmes
He's a cool guy.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He was his wingman.
dan friesen
Arthur's wingman.
They were wingmans.
Arthur was between divorces.
Right.
And he didn't want his girlfriends to get a lot of publicity.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So Bedivere would go out with him.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
In order to trick the press.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Mmhmm.
That makes sense.
dan friesen
And then people were trying to steal an election from Arthur.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And Bedavere was going around telling everyone about North Korean votes showing up.
jordan holmes
Right.
Yeah, I think we'll get there.
dan friesen
So anyway, Alex, I think this is really sad because he's describing how he wants to be seen by people.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And the irony is that that's the character he used to have.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he threw it all away.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like this is exactly who he could be if he hadn't done everything he's done, probably since the supplement businesses all started.
jordan holmes
Probably.
dan friesen
But then more importantly, since Trump.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He could he could still be the wizard in the woods.
jordan holmes
He never was, but he had so successfully created that fiction.
It still stays with us.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He's so successfully created it, people still have that false vision of him in their minds, and all he had to do was just coast.
dan friesen
All he had to do was not actually be into the glitz and glamour, and he's lying about what his bag is.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I desperately want Hollywood people to love him.
Yeah.
I talked to Christopher Walken once, and it was the greatest thing that ever happened to me.
Yeah.
And he wasn't supposed to be there.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So I just think that's really sad.
jordan holmes
It is really sad.
dan friesen
And, uh, look, God is going to help me.
God may judge us and that will be sad too.
But hey, you know, globalists lost and I guess we all die, whatever.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
alex jones
We now have Dark Trump.
Oh, they always said he was dark.
He wasn't dark.
Big old sweetie pie, really.
But they got him now.
And that's what happens when you mess with people too long who are not clitters.
You create something extremely, extremely, extremely dangerous when it's in the most powerful position in the world.
But it's better than you guys being in control.
And if we're going to be judged by the leaders God has seen fit to keep alive and put in power, then so be it.
But I just want all of Trump's enemies to know something.
You have lost one hundred percent.
And those of you that are not completely demonically possessed need to back off of Trump.
You know, that's really my message.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's clearly your message.
Back off of the demon guy.
Stay away and don't antagonize the demon guy.
Wild.
Dark Trump has put on the ring of Sauron and he's gonna fuck his enemies up and you better cool it.
You better cool it.
He's driving a car that's on fire.
jordan holmes
I, you know, like maybe we've talked about this a bit, maybe I pulled the trigger a bit too soon.
Maybe I'm a bit on the quick side to just be like, I'm out.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know?
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
That's possible.
But boy, I've never found myself in this situation.
dan friesen
This is a little bit.
jordan holmes
This is way too late.
dan friesen
You can't do anything.
It looks stupid.
jordan holmes
It looks dumb.
dan friesen
And thankfully, a little bit into the show., we get a little bit of hope.
Things things maybe maybe everything is going to be okay.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
All right.
I'm going to tell you from all the research I have, all my understanding, exactly what's happening with Trump.
And then I'm going to go to some major news from John Solomon, who's a very respected, dead on guy, who interviewed Trump yesterday privately and said Trump is going to appoint a special counsel.
We, of course, broke that news yesterday, but it's confirmed when Solomon says it.
He met with Trump yesterday privately at least.
Great investigative journalist.
He told Steve Bannon about that today.
dan friesen
So maybe, maybe, maybe if everything's okay.
jordan holmes
Having lived in the future for quite some time now, I think it's great.
dan friesen
I love that you're just like doing a show where it's like he's put on the ring.
He's he's become Doc Trump and then like you get a little bit of news in the middle of the show and you're like, you know what?
Maybe a special counsel is going to happen.
Maybe everything's all right.
Maybe he's not Doc Trump.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
But, but, but, I'm going to ask you this question, all right.
If someone who put on the ring can be defeated by a special counsel.
That ring is not that big a deal.
Well, I'm not very concerned about the ring.
dan friesen
Here, let me talk to you about the ring.
Okay.
I think that what we're, you know, when when someone you like puts on the ring, you worry about they losing their judgment.
Sure.
And you worry about they doing things that are going to hurt you.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
dan friesen
Someone who put on the ring, if they're still able to appoint a special counsel here to deflect blame and maybe more quietly do a cover up, sure.
Is it so bad they put on the ring?
Maybe their judgment's intact.
Maybe there's a reason they're driving that firey car.
jordan holmes
Right, I'm fine with that.
But that contradicts all the things you said earlier.
dan friesen
Right, he has no object pur permanence.
He's a baby who's seeing light for the first time.
jordan holmes
That's unfair.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's unfair.
No shoes.
You said that he sucked.
unidentified
And he put it on the ring a year ago.
dan friesen
He's been pushed too far.
jordan holmes
A special counsel.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Can take like one of the fucking ring rates was like, oh man, I just should have appointed a special counsel and then I wouldn't be flying this undead dragon.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Also, as we discussed, I think the day after this Trump comes out and says, I'm not doing a special counsel at all.
So this hope goes away pretty quickly.
Yeah.
But it kind of takes a little bit of the pressure off of talking about this story too much.
And Alex complains about his own plight for about an hour.
jordan holmes
Okay, of course.
dan friesen
And about how he's getting sued and how he's the victim in the Sandy Hook case and everything.
jordan holmes
Sounds right.
dan friesen
And then he prays for the death of the people who are attacking him.
jordan holmes
Great.
alex jones
Because if their goal is to get me off the air, well, you get the opposite when you try to intimidate and bully and terrorize and stalk and harass me.
I'm talking about the globalists that were hiding behind the families.
He's not saying the families, I'm not you, you, you, you, Paul Weiss Law Firm, already sanctioned by Trump, already admitted to criminal activity.
All of you, you know it's you, you know who you are.
And I pray to God that justice is done.
Come upon you and I don't call for any violence, not a veiled threat.
No, no, no, no, no.
Vengeance belongs to God.
I pray to God that all of these people trying to destroy me and my family, that God show his face to them and move their heart to turn from their evil ways.
You know, I said that prayer a couple days before the last receiver committed suicide and I didn't pray for God to hurt him.
I just remember saying a prayer, because, you know, He's going to try to come into my life and do all these things to me and all the rest of it.
And I just sat there and prayed one morning.
I used to pray for like a minute or two.
I prayed for like an hour.
I got on my knees, lay face down.
Just felt driven to do that when I get really there in the dark, about 4 or 5 a.m.
And I just prayed for my family.
I prayed for the country, everywhere, but also just said a prayer.
I said, God, please move to the heart of this person.
You know, they know they've turned out all this money.
They know they're just a tool to harass me.
That's not what the law really is about.
They know it's all a fraud.
Please, God, move on his heart with the Holy Spirit.
And I had no idea, and maybe it's just coincidence, I'm sure, that he killed himself three days later.
unidentified
Wow.
alex jones
The Lord works in mysterious ways.
jordan holmes
You can't believe it's coincidence.
dan friesen
What a tremendous piece of shit.
Like, I get that people have political differences.
Sure.
I think that there are some policies that are monstrous that other people may support, and I think they probably could be a decent person, generally speaking, even holding that political belief.
Sure.
You can't do stuff like this and me ever believe you have a shred of decency.
If there is a person who took their own life.
and Alex is exploiting this and saying it happened because he prayed for God to move his heart.
Yeah.
Alex is a I don't even know the words.
I words fail me when I try to describe how grotesque and unfeeling that is.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, like, spiraled out.
You can say, like, oh, I prayed for this man to move for God to change his heart and then he committed suicide, right?
But from the essence of that, what he's really doing is bragging about murdering a guy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's what's going on.
Yeah.
Like, I didn't think I was going to murder that guy.
It's like he took a miracle shot with a bow And though he was like, I can't believe that I got that heart.
It just went down.
I didn't even I was just thinking, I'm going to shoot this arrow in any direction, you know?
And then he's telling other people, like, can you believe how great a murderer I am?
I'm not even trying to murder people and I'm murdering people.
dan friesen
Yeah, and we've listened to enough of Alex's show that we know that when he says like vengeance is the Lord, he also believes that you are the instrument of carrying out the Lord's vengeance.
And that's what he means when he says God works in mysterious ways.
jordan holmes
God made that man kill himself for Alex.
dan friesen
Right, and if you should want to kill some of Alex's enemies, he's going to treat that as the will of the Lord.
unidentified
too.
dan friesen
I mean, he doesn't want violence against these people, but maybe if something bad happened to him, he would pretend it was suicide or something.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He is a real piece of shit, and I can't I can't imagine being in the position of if this person is real, who Alex is talking about, being a family member or something of this person, hearing him exploit this and being this kind of disgusting, second shit.
You just can't be a good person and behave like that.
Yeah, they're antithetical.
jordan holmes
I mean, according to your own beliefs, right?
At the end of all this, you and God are going to talk.
Yeah.
Can you imagine being like, Hey God, thanks for murdering that guy for me.
And he just going, Stop.
Why would I do that?
Just go ahead and explain it to me from the very beginning.
Because once you get to the focus of that, you'll understand why I'm sending you straight to the fuck to hell.
Yeah.
Piece of shit.
dan friesen
You've been working with the devil this whole time?
jordan holmes
All the time.
dan friesen
I thought it was me.
jordan holmes
How?
dan friesen
Fucking idiot.
jordan holmes
I left you a book that tells you what to do.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I don't tell people what time it is in the middle of the night.
jordan holmes
Why would I do that?
I'm very busy creating time.
dan friesen
This is a crazy close-up magic trick you're falling for.
jordan holmes
Ridiculous.
It is.
That's such a great way of putting it.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So anyway, look.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Trump's going to do the special counsel thing.
jordan holmes
Sure.
Wow.
dan friesen
And so let's just cut it down to like, let's put a timer on the Epstein stuff.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a good idea.
dan friesen
And I'm not doing that because Trump said to put a clock on it.
alex jones
I really thought about it a lot and I'm only going to budget after today, thirty minutes a day on this scandal and it's going to be huge and it's going to get horrible.
But I'm going to cover the good stuff happening and the other things that are dangerous and the things we can do.
I am after today, unless I do a special show here and there.
I am not going to sit here and harp on this.
And it's not because Trump said, Stop covering it.
dan friesen
I buy it.
jordan holmes
But it's the only thing, it's like, it's literally the only thing for our entire lives.
dan friesen
I'm not a cult.
jordan holmes
For our entire lives, the conspiracy theory in one form or fashion or another is the people with the most power in the world fuck kids or are reptiles that fuck kids.
You know, like, that's what it is.
That's what it's always been.
That's the conspiracy theory.
dan friesen
Or murder kids and drink their blood.
jordan holmes
Whatever you like.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It doesn't always have to be like sexual crimes.
But it is, it's almost always a terrorizing and hurting kids.
jordan holmes
Yeah, for the purpose of demon blah blah blah, right?
This now is the one true chance you have to prove it.
You have to prove that this is true and that means if you're Alex or one of these people, at the very least you can crow for the rest of your life, ah, but this one is real and we proved it.
We got this one.
To shy away from this one is to admit that you never wanted any of it to be real in the first place.
dan friesen
No, it's glaring.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's it's it's too much.
Yeah.
When you have, you know, like you're saying., this is the bedrock of so many of these conspiracy theories.
It traces back to these sorts of crimes, whether it be for blood or for blackmail or whatever, there is a centralness to this.
And for Alex to be like, all right, this guy that I like who's kicking a lot of immigrants out of the country and I enjoy watching that.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
This stuff is pretty good.
Now he's telling us not to ask questions about the central spoke in the wheel of conspiracies.
He's saying, don't look at this and you're not my fan if you do.
jordan holmes
And well, when you say it like that, it sounds really bad.
Yeah, it's tough.
dan friesen
But I love this guy.
I fucking love this guy.
jordan holmes
That's the thing about those words.
I don't understand how you can say those words and not be like, you know what?
unidentified
I get it.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I got it.
I got to get out of here.
dan friesen
Like, it's comical to imagine him responding to anybody else saying, Stop asking questions about this.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
You're not my fan if you ask questions about this.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
It indicates that there is one conclusion that he cannot accept.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that is the elephant in the room.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's like those poll questions that if you just word them differently, if you word questions without certain triciggered keywords and stuff, people will be like, Yeah, everyone wants healthcare.
What are you stupid?
You know, like if you just gave a rundown of who this person was and said their name was like Dig Wiggler or whatever it is.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Everybody would be like, You've got to kill this man.
You have to.
This is there's only this is fucking insane.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And Alex would never be able to do this stuff.
I don't know what.
I don't know what the fuck it is.
I think Alex is just a coward.
I think he's afraid of Yeah.
opening this box.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and the stake, but you know, he's a coward with the stakes that are too high.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because if you're a coward and the stakes are low, you can kind of back out.
Maybe you look like an embarrassing loser while you do it.
dan friesen
Yeah, you know, or maybe you can take the risk because the stakes are so low.
You can just gamble.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but this is, this is like, I guess I'm in.
I guess I'm in.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And the function of that is that Alex can do all the little creative writing exercises that he wants as the chronicler.
Yeah, man.
He can do all that he wants, but what he's doing at the end of the day is still covering up the possibility that Trump is deeply involved in a lot of this stuff and actively covering it up for selfish reasons.
jordan holmes
While bragging about the universal spirit murdering people for him.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's true.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This person is insane.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this person is nuts.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Thank God that there's going to be a special council.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
That's going to do it.
dan friesen
So, we will move on to the next movement in this orchestra and see how Alex's mood changes.
I mean, look, shit's not good.
It's never going to be good again.
jordan holmes
No, probably not.
dan friesen
But we will be back.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
We'll just keep on chugging along.
dan friesen
Because I'm the Chronicler.
jordan holmes
I mean, what's going to happen?
Sure, it's going to get worse, but you're still going to be alive.
You might as well live through it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
So maybe I might add that to the outro.
Maybe I'm the Chronicler.
jordan holmes
You are the Chronicler now?
Wait, was Mako the guy who played the Chronicler or was that Mako Sharkramp?
Uh, no.
Mako Sharkramp.
That takes me back.
dan friesen
Yeah, it does.
jordan holmes
That takes me back.
dan friesen
Um, no, I, uh, False a Doom.
jordan holmes
Uh, yeah, no.
I can't remember.
But I remember Mako.
Mako was the guy who played General Iroh in Avatar.
And also is just a general awesome dude who is in Sidekicks.
Fucking great.
dan friesen
Let's say it's him.
Yeah, let's say we'll be back.
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
Indeed, we do.
It's knowledgefight dot com.
dan friesen
Yeah, we'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I'm the Mysterious Professor.
I don't feel like saying I'm the Chronicler.
I already have the Mysterious Professor.
jordan holmes
It's kind of similar.
alex jones
Yeah.
unidentified
Woo, yeah, woo, yeah, woo.
jordan holmes
And now here comes the Sex Robot.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
andy in kansas
Well, Alex, I'm a first time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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