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#1065: July 16, 2025

In this installment, Dan and Jordan ride along as Alex has to deal with the news that Trump had publicly and agrily disowned all of his supporters who don't want to shut up about Epstein.

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alex jones
27:47
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dan friesen
42:22
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jordan holmes
27:46
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donald j trump
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alex jones
Dan and Jordan, I am sweating.
Knowledgeby.com.
It's time to pray.
donald j trump
I have great respect for knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys.
Shang, we are the bad guys.
Knowledge and fight.
donald j trump
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
I need money.
Andy and Pansy.
unidentified
Andy and Tandy.
alex jones
Stop it.
Andy and Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
unidentified
Andy.
alex jones
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for all of us.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a fish fan color.
alex jones
We're here today and I love your room.
Knowledge fight.
Knowledgefight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
unidentified
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship with the altar of Sleen, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
unidentified
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today, buddy?
dan friesen
Why don't you go first?
jordan holmes
My bright spot is I got to spend some time with my family.
dan friesen
So bright.
jordan holmes
They're good people.
Like them.
They've got a lot of children.
Too many.
Too many children.
dan friesen
How many children?
jordan holmes
Too many children.
Six children is too many to have in any one space at any given point in time.
dan friesen
It's a lot.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's a lot.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
And I've heard of elementary school teachers.
dan friesen
What kind of age range are we talking about?
jordan holmes
Zero to six.
Not high up.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So the mischief is chaotic, but not focused.
jordan holmes
Chaos every direction.
And every time you think you've got a bead on somebody, ah, you're wrong.
Whack-a-mole over here.
Yeah, but they're causing problems.
dan friesen
But they're not over like 10 or 12 where they could do some like real serious damage intentionally.
jordan holmes
Yes.
They couldn't do damage to somebody else on purpose.
But they're at the age where doing damage to themselves seems almost like what they're born to do.
Yeah.
dan friesen
And accidentally to you.
jordan holmes
I mean, I was, one of them was hitting me with this blanket, and then the blanket landed on the floor and they stepped on it and slipped and fell.
And I was like, I didn't, I wasn't even around for any of this.
dan friesen
Did you file a police report for this blanket assault?
jordan holmes
This is horrible.
dan friesen
Cut it with a blanket.
jordan holmes
Horrible.
dan friesen
How could he?
But it was a good time.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it was great.
It was great.
dan friesen
What'd you get into?
You play a little tennis with these babies?
jordan holmes
They're pickleball.
They're pickleball folks.
dan friesen
That's tennis adjacent, right?
jordan holmes
It's tennis adjacent, but for you know, people who suck.
No, it's fine.
It's fine.
dan friesen
Anti-pickleball.
jordan holmes
I think it's just the scoring system.
So with pickleball, the scoring system is not like, hey, we've got one and you've got two.
dan friesen
And he's like, neither is tennis.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, neither is tennis.
But the idea essentially being like, at the end of this, we have similar point structures.
Whereas with pickleball, there's like, okay, the server one has a score and then the server two has a score and then the other side has a server one and a server two.
And so they have, and it's like, just count to 11, man.
dan friesen
I was unaware of this.
I guess I'm woefully uninformed on pickleball.
jordan holmes
Maddening.
Maddening the rules.
You can't even step in some sort of kitchen.
Maddening.
dan friesen
Are there pickles?
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Is there brine?
jordan holmes
There's no.
There is a ball.
There is a ball.
I will say this.
dan friesen
Okay.
If I were inventing pickleball from the ground up, it would be very similar to tennis in that there would be a score that is a word.
Right.
And it would be brine instead of love.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
I like that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I like that.
That's actually a really good one.
dan friesen
It's 30 brine.
jordan holmes
30 brine.
That's even fun to say.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Take it back.
We got to restart the whole tennis thing.
dan friesen
Pickleball.
jordan holmes
Get rid of this.
Love nonsense.
dan friesen
Who loves We Brine.
jordan holmes
We Brine.
dan friesen
Besides We Brian.
What's your bright spot?
I can't remember if I've mentioned this, but I guess it's that one of my favorite podcasts is back from the dead.
I thought it was gone forever, but Womp It Up.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And Lynn Parham.
I like those characters.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's very funny.
And after four years of being gone, they returned.
Oh, that's awesome.
So I've been going back through the back catalog of that and having a great time.
jordan holmes
Nice.
dan friesen
So fun.
jordan holmes
That's fun.
Yeah.
That womp character.
dan friesen
Melza Wombler.
jordan holmes
Very, very good.
dan friesen
Yep.
And Chardog, Listler.
So fun.
Great dynamic.
guests are fun.
Yep.
So I'm glad that it is resurrected.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's nice.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today we must resurrect our investigation of Alex Jones and the terrible Epstein comment.
jordan holmes
No good Epstein day.
dan friesen
It's bad.
It's so bad.
Today's a real bad day.
unidentified
I bet.
jordan holmes
I bet it is.
dan friesen
We're going to be talking about July 16th.
I feel like the way that I've tried to separate these episodes is almost in movements.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
You know, like there's a symphonic direction things are going on.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
This is the Allegro non-tropo part.
dan friesen
I don't know anything about music, but I'm going to take your word for it.
It's bad.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Is that the time in a symphony where it's like, oh, shit?
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
No, that's more like, I don't know, John Cage.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's what we're in.
jordan holmes
The words of John Cage?
Four minutes of silence.
dan friesen
Shit is confusing.
It's Philip Glassian.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there we go.
dan friesen
So we'll check in on exactly what's going on.
But first, let's take a little moment and say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So, first, hell yeah, you're the dark spot.
Also, congrats on the engagement.
Andrew and Hannah, thank you so much, Jeranao Possewalk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And we've got a senior in the house.
A lot of capital letters.
jordan holmes
I know.
I don't know why this one was capital letter heavy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yes, my bug girl hybrid is a senior in high school.
So proud of you, small human who is now taller than me.
I love you.
Thank you so much, Jeranao Posiwalk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And Mike from Wisconsin, thanks to you, my neighbors, and people who are at the stoplight with me probably think I'm a conspiracy nutbag.
Thank you so much, Jernal Possewalk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan.
So thank you so much to Rods Jordan.
Thank you so much.
You're now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars.
Go honky and mother telling you brilliant.
alex jones
Someone, sodomite, sent me a bucket of poop.
Daddy Sharp.
Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb.
Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser, little, little kitty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Yes.
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
All right, Jordan.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
When we last left our story, Alex was delighting in the fake news that Trump was going to appoint a special counsel to look into the handling of the Epstein files.
That was something he believed because he saw a tweet about something that Laura Trump, the daughter-in-law of the president and head of the RNC, said on a podcast.
All of the roiling chaos seemed to be calmed, and things looked like they could possibly go back to normal.
And then Trump decided to post again on Truth Social.
This time he said, quote, the radical left Democrats have hit pay dirt again, just like with the fake and fully discredited Steele dossier, the lying 51 intelligence agents, the laptop from hell, which the Dem swore had come from Russia.
Parentheses, no, it had come from Hunter Biden's bathroom.
Exclamation point.
And even the Russia-Russia-Russia scam itself, a totally fake and made-up story used in order to hide crooked Hillary Clinton's big loss in the 2016 presidential election.
Scams and hoaxes are all the Democrats are good at.
It's all they have.
They are no good at governing, no good at policy, and no good at picking winning candidates.
Also, unlike Republicans, they stick together like glue.
Their new scam is what we will forever call the Jeffrey Epstein hoax.
And my past supporters have bought into this, quote, bullshit hook line and sinker.
They haven't learned their lesson and probably never will, even after being conned by the lunatic left for eight long years.
I have had more success in six months than perhaps any president in our country's history.
And all these people want to talk about with strong prodding by the fake news and the success-starved Dems is the Jeffrey Epstein hoax.
Let these weaklings continue forward and do the Democrats' work.
Don't even think about talking of our incredible and unprecedented success because I don't want their support anymore.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Make America great again.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Had you heard that whole post?
jordan holmes
I had no idea.
dan friesen
You knew that something along these lines had been said.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But not that full.
jordan holmes
I'm amazed at how bad a job.
And I understand.
You know, you understand it.
It makes sense.
It's very reasonable for them to do.
I understand it.
And it all makes perfect sense.
But the media has done such a tremendously bad job of really capturing and portraying Trump as he is.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I am too, by dramatizing my reasoning of that.
jordan holmes
No, totally, totally.
dan friesen
So don't get me wrong.
It's impossible to do this justice.
jordan holmes
It's impossible.
It's impossible because the reality is like if these people had any modicum of self-respect, they would like play him off.
They would have music that plays whatever he goes on too long.
Or they would keep him in chains under the basement and like, hey, you can tweet whenever we allow you to.
alex jones
And that's it.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's pretty shocking.
It's degrading.
jordan holmes
It is degrading.
dan friesen
I think that no matter how much I supported someone's policies or a president, if they were getting on social media in the middle of them being kind of involved in what appears to be a cover-up of a giant crime and they started ranting about how they're the most successful president ever, I can't support this.
You know, like, no matter how much I loved whatever they were doing, I'd be like, this person's nuts.
jordan holmes
To me, right, when they were doing tests, NASA, sending people into it, they sent a dog into space.
That poor dog, you know?
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Not, I don't know.
Was it NASA or was it the Russians?
unidentified
I know the Russians definitely did, but I'm sure we sent something up there to die.
dan friesen
Yeah, probably like a giraffe.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
And it's like the only reason we even have it really is to send people like Trump away.
You know, people like him should be testing things.
Like, oh, look at that tweet.
We got to get you out of here, buddy.
dan friesen
Do you subscribe to like the ghosts of Mars model?
jordan holmes
Was that the one with Ice Cube?
Yeah.
Or is that, or okay?
dan friesen
He played James Desolation Williams.
jordan holmes
Was that a sequel to Aliens?
dan friesen
No.
Maybe.
jordan holmes
Wasn't it the same movie?
dan friesen
They send prisoners to space.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then the most dangerous criminal gets loose on the ship while they're transporting him to Mars.
Right.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
But so, yeah, I mean, look, I think it's human experimentation is bad, but I understand where you're coming from.
jordan holmes
I mean, you know, protect dogs.
Send Truth Social out there.
dan friesen
We don't know if that dog wanted to go to space.
jordan holmes
We don't know if that dog wanted to space.
dan friesen
However, it might have been his dream.
jordan holmes
It's hard not to believe that the dog didn't have the concept necessary to desire space travel.
dan friesen
One thing we do know, though, for sure is that that dog didn't tweet that shit.
jordan holmes
That is 100% accurate.
dan friesen
So predictably, this post did not have the desired effect and may have ultimately been counterproductive for the whole getting people to stop talking about Epstein thing.
There is literally nothing that anyone could do that was even a little bit more suspicious than what Trump decided to write in that post.
It's fucking insane.
Before the false hope about the special counsel, things were looking bad.
But this is another level of bad.
Trump didn't even say that he didn't want the support of Nazis and Klan members, but now he's explicitly trying to disown people who won't shut up about Epstein.
It's comical levels of suspicious.
And he's cultivated an audience that's so suspicious, they look for coded messages and things.
They look at the stars and do math and shit.
Before we get to Alex's response, I do want to say that I think that Trump is making the right move for himself.
And I think that's, it sounds contradictory, but I really do.
This Epstein shit is never going to go away.
And it's a deal breaker for a certain amount of his fan base.
It's probably best to just take the hit and try to alpha these dorks.
Probably see what you can do.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Otherwise, it's going to be hanging over your head for however long you're a public figure.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
Anything else at this point would look really weak.
And most of these assholes in the right-wing media, they're pot committed at this point.
There's no other candidate that they're going to be able to viably support.
Maybe JD Vance.
Maybe.
unidentified
Wow.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But like, you're not going to be able to get a lot of the base on board for that.
alex jones
No.
dan friesen
And even Alex later in this episode is like, Trump's not going to become unpopular.
jordan holmes
That's unfortunate.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, it is a little bit like Trump's only question now is like, can you stop me?
Because if I, for an instant, if I was like, well, let's think about that.
I am being stopped.
But this is Just, you have to take me down if you want to take me down.
You know, I'm not going to go anywhere.
dan friesen
And in theory, he never has another election that he has to win again.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So if he's interested in like the consolidation of power in terms of like passing it on to some kind of loyalist or something, then I think that taking all this Epstein heat onto himself is actually a pretty good strategic move because it could unburden whoever your successor is of this by being like, it was me.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, it could be worse.
dan friesen
I was his best friend.
jordan holmes
It's not like anybody's going to impeach you or get rid of you or fire you or in any way cause like any punishment for you.
dan friesen
Again, later, Alex is very clear that whatever's going on, he's not going to get impeached.
And we're stuck with this for another three years.
jordan holmes
It's just going to keep happening.
It's not going to get better.
dan friesen
So that happened in the morning.
And Alex gets on air a little bit after that.
I don't think he's in a great mood.
Shit, shit's bad.
People are talking about the tweet and all.
alex jones
Well, on the top of the Democrat Party mouthpiece, the Drudge Report has the headline: Make America Great Again, Divorce.
And when you click on it, it takes you to Infowars.com.
And there is the representation that I've divorced Trump and he's divorced me.
And that's how the media is spinning it.
That is not what's happening here.
I overall support Trump, but you can't do a 180 on the Epstein files.
Yes, we know the Democrats have been in control of the files over the years.
And obviously, whatever they left in them is what they want in them.
But Trump coming out and saying, anybody that talks about Epstein, he doesn't want their support anymore.
unidentified
Trump.
alex jones
Just reeks of childlish, childlike behavior.
dan friesen
See, this is why Alex is great.
No one else can struggle like him who has a show of this kind of size.
He is in the shit.
He's dealing with it.
jordan holmes
Because everybody else has a production meeting.
Everybody else pitches ideas.
They throw stuff around.
And then somebody is like, let's give this one a go.
This is the narrative we're going to go with, and we're going to have focus and we're going to do this.
And Alex is like, is he a child?
dan friesen
I think that everything else, like, it exists with object permanence.
Everything else exists in a continuity.
And Alex doesn't.
He's disabused of that and is allowed to struggle like a newborn baby seeing light for the first time every day.
jordan holmes
No one has ever not enabled me.
And yet it feels like this is what it would be like to not be enabled.
dan friesen
It's crazy.
jordan holmes
It is crazy.
dan friesen
So I love the idea that the Drudge Report is the Democrat mouthpiece now because it shows the shallowness of narrative structure on this show.
Drudge was the hero of the populist movement throughout the Tea Party.
And he was instrumental in pushing Clinton conspiracies back when Clinton meant Bill, not Hillary.
His website launched Andrew Breitbart, who in turn created Breitbart, which brought us Steve Bannon, Milo Yiannopoulos, and James O'Keefe, just to name a few.
In 2016, he was critical to getting Trump elected, which Alex told him when he did a rare interview on Infowars and explained that ISIS was named after Daryl Issa as a prank, which was nonsense.
And I think maybe Drudge was trolling him.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
At some point along the way, the Drudge Report started to post some headlines that were negative about Trump.
And Alex believed that he was becoming disloyal.
He began to speculate that Drudge had been bought by the Democrats or possibly he'd flipped.
But whatever it happened, the proof of it was that he was being too negative about Trump.
Alex wants to assert his ability to be critical of Trump, but in the process, he has to call the Drudge Report a Democratic mouthpiece, which is a smear that he created to attack them for being too critical of Trump.
It's deeply ironic.
jordan holmes
I mean, I think for the longest time, we've all wanted these people to stop liking Trump for the world's sake, for like all of our sakes, because we don't want to live in an explosion at all times, right?
I think we're all finally at the place where now Alex needs to leave Trump for Alex.
We want him to listen.
The explosion's already happened.
There's no coming back from that.
You got to go for yourself now.
You know, this is, it's just, it's just, it just sucks.
It sucks.
dan friesen
Yeah.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
But also at the same time, I've been through this and, you know, caring about him drinking and shit.
I think that that was me trying to care.
This is self-destructive for this person.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
And I realize the folly of that.
And I wish he was still wasted on air.
And so now I'm like, yeah, keep holding on to Trump.
I don't care.
This is only hurting you at this point.
jordan holmes
I agree with you.
I just feel like it's more entertaining if he leaves.
You know, I guess, again, it's really for us.
It's for me.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think it's honestly what's magical about this time right here is that it's kind of good whatever he does.
Yeah.
Like if he stays with Trump or he tries to be like, I'm moving on.
Either way, it's interesting.
alex jones
Yeah.
At least it's something.
jordan holmes
It's not the holding pattern that we were in for six months to a year or whatever.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But Alex loves that holding pattern.
And because it's so comfortable and everything, you know, I'm close to power.
I'm good friends with Trump and all this.
He kind of tries to punt on this.
unidentified
And I think it's so sad.
alex jones
This is Trump's issue.
It is not going to go away.
I am still going to cover it some.
But there's so many other issues to hit and so many other things to get into that I'm not going to have this one issue suck all the oxygen out of the room for what we do.
Obviously, when I talk about it, you know, people watch it, they listen to it, they're interested because people feel like I do.
I'd say nine out of ten Trump supporters that I know are really upset about this and bewildered.
And it looks very incriminating.
But at the same time, Trump is right that the Democrats did have these files.
So whatever they left in it makes some people close to him look bad or something.
I don't think it's Trump.
Never seen evidence of that.
Trump isn't the type of guy that puts himself in hotel rooms to be peed on by hookers.
Trump is the type of guy, A, that's attracted to kids.
That's clear.
He likes powerful women.
Bombshells.
Very intimidating women.
That's the opposite of what Petos want.
And there's never been any evidence of him with anybody underage.
dan friesen
It's so funny to see Alex trying to punt on this story.
He's the hard-nosed detective who's on a mission from God to sniff out corruption.
But in this very obvious and suspicious case, he's not going to let this steal his attention from the serious issues that he's got to cover.
jordan holmes
I mean, you know, sure, sure.
I think that raking this documentary about Bush, you know, doing 9-11 is pretty important.
But at the same time, is 9-11 that big of a story?
I don't think so.
It's a problem for Bush, really.
dan friesen
Is this a distraction?
jordan holmes
This is his issue.
We need to talk more about whatever was going on in 2002.
dan friesen
Do you guys care about fluoride?
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
By Alex's own estimates, this is an issue that's not going to go away and is a serious problem for 90% of Trump's fans, which is a massive crisis.
They built their entire political identity around this guy.
And if you think that they're just going to rally around Vance, that seems optimistic.
As for Trump's history with young women, he's been accused of barging into dressing rooms to see beauty pageant contestants naked.
Accusations made by people who were as young as 15 at the time, competing in Misteen USA.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
Trump appeared on Howard Stern's show in 2005 and said, quote, I'll go backstage before a show and everyone's getting dressed and ready and everything else.
And, you know, no men are there.
I'm allowed to go in because I'm the owner of the pageant and therefore I'm inspecting it.
Is everyone okay?
You know, they're standing around with no clothes and you see these incredible looking women.
And so I sort of get away with things like that.
I guess Alex missed that in his vetting process or whatever, but kind of looks like an idiot.
jordan holmes
Every time anybody says anything about this guy, it's like, well, thank God that man can never become president.
And then you're like, wait, what?
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
I regret to admit this.
And I think there's something wrong with my algorithm.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because I ended up getting recommended the Trump roast from 2011.
jordan holmes
Oh my God.
At least this guy will never be president.
Yes.
Fuck me.
dan friesen
It's so much of that.
jordan holmes
I can't believe it.
I cannot believe it.
dan friesen
It's like Larry King waddling up to stage and being like, this guy's my best friend.
unidentified
And then a bunch of people calling him a creep and a pervert.
And being like, you're delusional if you think you're ever going to be president.
dan friesen
It's really sad.
Mike, the situation.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Real bad.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
He's a roaster, got booed off stage, basically.
jordan holmes
You are getting roasted by Mike the Situation.
And I'm even going to call this a rule for the future.
If Mike the Situation has roasted you or perhaps will roast you, can't be president.
dan friesen
It's tough.
jordan holmes
Can't do it.
dan friesen
It is tough.
jordan holmes
Yep.
It seems like maybe the Constitution needs to be amended with just increasingly more specific things that you can't do if you want to be president.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, like, hey, you didn't pick up dog shit.
Ah, can't be president.
dan friesen
It felt like this show is terrible, but it's also like you all really thought things were going to go different.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Everybody's laughing, having a good time because we all think we're making fun of this like dipshit who's never going to be a problem again.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
And then he ruins the world.
unidentified
Oh.
dan friesen
God, it's dark.
jordan holmes
That is dark.
dan friesen
Anthony Jeselnick is there.
jordan holmes
Now, here's the thing.
Here's the thing.
dan friesen
The dog is there.
jordan holmes
Here's the thing.
If this were me, though, and this is another problem with Trump.
You can't even do it right.
Like, if it's me and I got all that shit and then I became president, I am calling half of those people once a week being like, hey, guess who's president?
What was that?
Hold on.
Let me read this joke back to you.
dan friesen
No, I wouldn't even, like, I wouldn't even want to do it.
I would kill them all on principle.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you have to.
You just have to.
Because you can.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
Flex that power.
jordan holmes
Sorry, guys.
Hey, man, I actually thought that one was pretty funny.
dan friesen
Lisa Lampinelli.
jordan holmes
Yeesh.
Oh, boy.
Well, put that blindfold on, and here's your last cigarette.
dan friesen
Sorry, Marley Matlin.
You got to go.
It is a bad time.
jordan holmes
It is a bad time.
unidentified
Oof.
dan friesen
Anyway, this is also a real bad time.
And Alex is forced to struggle for metaphors to explain what this is like.
And I think he nails it.
alex jones
Well, this is a very surreal day for me and I think America and the whole world.
You've got President Trump really doing so many wonderful things, the economy and the country and rolling back globalist policies, social policies, military policies, cultural policies.
I mean, Trump is just doing such amazing things.
But it'd be kind of like if your grandpa was, you know, the light of the town and the greatest guy and just had this wonderful track record and then you see him driving down the road and the back of the pickup's on fire.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
And you run over to grandpa at the red light and you say, grandpa, the truck's on fire.
And he looks at you and says, don't talk to me about a fire.
There is no fire.
You're not in my family anymore if you say my truck's on fire.
And then you just, the red light turns green and the car just keeps driving off.
And, you know, any minute, the gas tanks are going to blow.
And you're just like, grandpa, get out.
It's like having a family member that you love and care about who suddenly gets on fentanyl.
You tell him, listen, you keep tagging that, you're going to overdose and die.
Owen uses the analogy of he's a big Kansas City baseball fan and been going there since he's a little kid.
And the game's about to start and he expects his team to run out in their colors red.
And instead, a whole nother team runs out in blue uniforms, but they say they're still the Kansas City baseball team.
dan friesen
So Trump is senile and unable to recognize that he's in a car that's about to explode.
Doesn't seem like this is painting him in a great light.
jordan holmes
It's surprising, but that one felt pretty accurate.
dan friesen
Kind of, yeah, except that Trump Started the fire and laid the kindling in it by being Epstein's best friend for years.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So, like, he's not really senile.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
He's trying to cover something up by starting this fire.
jordan holmes
These are the consequences of starting a fire.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'm curious about the Kansas City baseball thing, though.
You made a face there.
For our non-sports fan listeners or people outside the United States, the Kansas City baseball team is the Royals, and their color is blue, royal blue.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
Now, this is important because there's another Missouri baseball team whose color is red, which is the St. Louis Cardinals.
This isn't a small matter for Missourians.
They have a strong feeling about what team you root for.
Like, it matters.
And if you root for one, you hate the other.
The same is always true for like the Kansas City Chiefs and the St. Louis Rams in football.
If you were in Missouri, you can only choose one.
Owen is from St. Louis.
So either Alex doesn't know what team Owen likes or he doesn't know what city Owen is from because he's very clearly a Cardinals fan.
jordan holmes
I was going straight to like, oh, maybe what he means is football.
And it was the Kansas City Chiefs.
Man, if he's from St. Louis.
Also.
dan friesen
Alex said baseball twice.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he did say baseball twice.
Also, God, that makes so much sense.
dan friesen
What, that Alex doesn't know where Owen's from?
jordan holmes
No, that Owens is a Cardinals fan.
dan friesen
Hey, man.
Pooh Holes was really exciting.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no, no.
I understand everything about that, but it's just, listen, it makes a lot of sense that he's a Cardinals fan.
dan friesen
I don't know if you could.
Look, I think it's pretty cool to be a Royals fan.
I think it's cooler now than it.
jordan holmes
I think it's great to be a Royals fan.
George Brett is awesome.
Salvador Perez is amazing.
End of the number of good players they've ever had.
dan friesen
I can't think of a single one because I don't care about baseball, but my friends probably could list a lot.
Yeah.
Look, as somebody who's from Missouri, I think there's cred to liking the Kansas City teams and there's less cred to liking the St. Louis teams.
jordan holmes
Agreed.
dan friesen
But the St. Louis teams were more successful in the era that I was younger.
jordan holmes
Traditionally, yeah.
dan friesen
Like the Rams won Super Bowls and the Chiefs didn't.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
The Cardinals won World Series and the Royals sucked.
unidentified
Man.
jordan holmes
Been a long time since the Rams.
dan friesen
And that's why there was cred to be a fan.
Anyway, this matters because Owen is very much from St. Louis.
Yeah.
And I think that Alexis doesn't know his.
jordan holmes
And he's a sports talk guy, right?
dan friesen
Like he used to be before he started an Infowars.
jordan holmes
Sports are pretty important to this guy.
dan friesen
You bet.
He's the cuck destroyer.
jordan holmes
Get it right.
He's a Cardinals cuck destroyer.
dan friesen
I think Alexis doesn't care.
unidentified
So, look, Trump's not a pervert.
dan friesen
And if he was, he'd be really smart about it.
alex jones
And Trump knows the big scandal the Democrats are going to bring is whatever's in the Epstein file.
And Musk found out about this and got really concerned and went, whoop, I'm not in this anymore.
I want to be totally clear.
I've seen zero evidence of Trump doing anything illegal with Jeffrey Epstein.
The Democrats and the Globalists and Bill Gates are all over at the Royal family.
Again, it's not Trump's MO to like kids, much less, we know his type bombshell women, much less he's not the type to let people get dirt on him or control him.
I mean, the guy is a control freak in a good way.
I mean, I'm not into kids at all.
And at the same time, if I was rich and powerful and I was a pervert or a sicko and I was smart, I sure as hell wouldn't go around on islands screwing kids.
I mean, zero chance of that.
jordan holmes
Thanks.
alex jones
So, and I know Trump's friends and longtime confidants and his wingmen and people that have stayed in his house a lot.
unidentified
Roger.
alex jones
Just a super nice guy.
dan friesen
Yeah, so Roger says he's nice.
jordan holmes
Roger says he's great.
And as a wingman, he's probably never seen any kind of uncomfortable or bullshit behavior.
dan friesen
Oh, I mean, by Roger's standards, maybe not.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
That's fair.
I think Roger could probably pass a lie detector test that says that Trump didn't do anything creepy in front of him.
jordan holmes
Seems normal to me.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So yeah, I think that Alex is not as convincing as he wants to be there.
Trump is not a dumb pervert.
jordan holmes
If you have just recently described him as a senile idiot, you can't then.
dan friesen
That's a car that's about to blow up.
jordan holmes
You can't then in the next sentence be like, but he's too smart to get caught.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He lit his car on fire is what you just said.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, man.
jordan holmes
He is exactly dumb enough to be caught.
dan friesen
But Roger says he's nice.
jordan holmes
What a weird life Roger had.
dan friesen
And Alex is in a tough spot.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I really think that that's so indicative that, like, what do I do?
jordan holmes
In case of fire, break glass.
And inside that, you got Stevie P. Yeah, time to bring it back.
dan friesen
I miss him.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex is sick of the bullshit.
He's sick of the flip-flopping.
Trump's doing too much flip-flopping.
Man, does Alex hope it's intentional?
alex jones
I was so happy yesterday when Trump came out and threw his surrogates and said, no, we want to appoint a special counsel.
We're going to have Mike and Bonnie release whatever she thinks is important from the file.
So now we've gone from there is no additional information to, oh, yeah, there is, and we'll release it.
And he had his surrogates out there like Laura Trump doing a great job saying, no, no, he wants to set things right.
And then he has a little impromptu press conference and says, yeah, you know, Pan Bondi.
She can release whatever she thinks is important.
Then he gets on the tarmac with Lutnik four or five hours later.
We'll play the clip coming up.
And says, you know, this is all a Democrat hoax and anybody following it is only helping them.
And a repeat of all that.
And I'm just like, 180, 180, 180, 180, flip-flop, flip-flop, flip-flop, flip-flop.
And I'm just like, and then he puts out on True Social, I don't want your support.
Anybody that even talks about this again, you are bad.
jordan holmes
Listen to yourself.
Listen to yourself.
That's you talking.
alex jones
You know the elephant in the room here.
Trump is not stupid.
Yes!
You said he is.
To not talk about something is going to only make them look into it more.
So I sure hope this is some 50 D chess.
dan friesen
Oh, God.
jordan holmes
Okay, so in this analogy, then the senile man driving the burning car away is actually super genius.
dan friesen
It's brilliant.
jordan holmes
Because only an exploding car.
I have no further explanation.
I've got nothing.
dan friesen
Only an exploding car is going to divert enough attention from the firehouse.
And we need to get everyone away from the firehouse because they have a chili recipe that is super good there.
jordan holmes
Is it five alarm?
alex jones
Yep.
dan friesen
Yep.
We have to sneak in and steal the chili recipe because there's a witch who has a soul stone that she will trade me for this chili recipe.
jordan holmes
I like this soul stone idea.
dan friesen
So I have to blow up this car.
jordan holmes
Well, you convinced me.
That's some 50 D chess right there.
unidentified
Man, this man is sad.
jordan holmes
How do you say the things you say out loud and not just go, yep, you know what?
I heard that in my brain and it sounded fine.
But now that it's outside of my brain, I got to go.
dan friesen
There is an elephant in the room, and it is not what Alex thinks it is.
So, you know, he wants to believe.
He wants to believe in this special counsel idea.
He wants to believe that Trump is cool.
But at the same time, Alex can't, like, when it comes to ego type shit, he can't deny all reality.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And everyone can see that Trump is taunting him.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And everyone like him.
alex jones
And I don't know if he's on such a confidence trip.
He's had a lot of success and been through a lot.
That he thinks he's invincible and that we will all just go okay.
But there's a taunting to it.
I'm like, oh, look, he makes the point that they could have altered the file.
That's exactly what they do.
That would have worked.
Absolutely.
Wow, that makes a lot of sense.
Wow, Laura Trump says they're going to make it right and release whatever they can.
Great, great.
Let's move on.
No.
My constituents are bad for asking questions, the majority of them.
So, you know what, Trump?
I'm glad the Democrats aren't in.
And I like a lot of the success you're having and we're all having together.
And your statements about, you know, you people that bring this up don't even deserve to be involved in this movement.
You are excommunicata.
You are henceforth ex cathodra From the mouth of the God King, you are expelled from the church of the holy golden toad, Donald John Trump.
Well, I was never in the church of the holy golden toad.
I do like you being a Maverick, standing up for the country.
We have the same enemies.
I respect your stamina and courage.
Been a big cheerleader when I agree with what you're doing.
But if I'm being excommunicated, let me be clear.
I was never in your church to be excommunicated.
So you can't excommunicate me because I was never in your church.
I was never in a cult.
dan friesen
You can't fire me.
I was working for free.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you were working for free.
That's definitely true.
dan friesen
This is pretty sad.
And I think that there's a little pause in there when he's like, it almost feels like he's about to say, fuck you.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Fuck you, Trump.
And he can't get there.
He's so close.
And it feels like wrestling.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because it feels like he's about to hit the bad guy with a chair.
He's going to turn on the bad guys and turn face.
Everyone can cheer that finally he's standing up for himself.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But he just can't get there.
jordan holmes
It's not going to happen.
It's just.
dan friesen
He needs alcohol.
jordan holmes
I mean, a little, a little, uh, A little sailor's courage wouldn't hurt.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I just, I feel like, you know, in the same way that Trump is taunting them, Alex is teasing with that, that hope that he's ever going to get there.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, it's just one of those things.
Like, you can't sound more weak than when you're saying, no, I'm so strong.
That's the most weak you can sound.
It's like, I was never in this church.
Motherfucker, you are the high priest.
dan friesen
Yeah, you laid the cornerstone.
jordan holmes
Yeah, fucking Peter over here.
All right.
You are this church.
dan friesen
Yeah.
There's no way around that.
And you can tell yourself that you're not to feel better now.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that's great.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But we all live in a shared reality.
And unfortunately for you, you can't undo this.
jordan holmes
No.
I mean, it sucks even more.
Just like it would make sense to me somewhat, at the very least, somewhat, if all of these people had gotten like a check for a thousand, like a tax rebate or anything, something that you could physically, tangibly say, thank God Trump did this thing for me, as opposed to just the generalized feeling of, well, immigrants are being hurt.
dan friesen
Well, and Roger says that Alex is cool.
jordan holmes
Right?
dan friesen
Like, that's tangible.
jordan holmes
But it's just, he just feels this way.
You could just not, if you felt differently, nothing would change.
dan friesen
Maybe some sales and traffic numbers might change a little bit.
But like, yeah, there's, there's just, come on, man.
You can't do, you can't do this when you're fighting the devil.
Yeah.
When Trump's supposed to be fighting the devil, you can't just be like, well, you know, what are you going to do?
He's senior and he's in a fiery truck now.
jordan holmes
It's the devil.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So it's not a cult.
Alex is not in a cult.
jordan holmes
How is it not a cult?
dan friesen
Because Alex says it's not.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a good reason.
dan friesen
And now he's being critical of Trump.
alex jones
Uh-oh.
But now, Trump, if this continues down this line, if he starts saying, I'll excommunicate people, well, you're not allowed, unless it's a cult, to say to people, you either agree with everything I do and don't question things, or you're not in our club.
I don't want you.
Well, that kind of sounds like a thoroughbred cult to me.
And if I keep hearing more talk like that, I'm just, it's basically where I'm already at.
And I already said this.
I'm going to give Trump report cards.
It's basically what I already do, but we're officially going to start doing it on basic issues.
I'm going to get the head of the John Burt Society on who actually puts out report cards or the experts on it, the really good report cards.
And we'll just start doing a monthly report card on Trump and say, okay, in our view, he did good here.
He did good there.
You can look at the report card.
You can look at where he did bad.
And that's it.
And so I'm not going To be emotionally invested in this because I've never been a joiner.
dan friesen
So, this is a telling clip because Alex obviously knows that if he were to be emotionally invested with this story at all, he should be raving about how Trump is the devil and calling for his murder politically.
Alex's entire show runs off manipulating emotions.
So, when he says that he's not going to emotionally engage about Trump anymore, that's as close as he can get to saying fuck Trump when he's sober.
No one gives a shit about him doing boring report cards with JBS dorks when there's demons running around everywhere.
They're killing kids, and Trump is covering it up.
His brand is entirely emotion.
And if Alex can't give the audience that, they'll find it elsewhere.
Likely from some of Alex's avant-garde Nazi friends that he keeps hanging out with.
jordan holmes
They're new.
dan friesen
Who are very emotional.
Yeah.
Very passionate.
jordan holmes
I'm always amazed at people like Alex who clearly have a practical understanding of something, but somehow don't have an actual understanding of it.
Like, if anybody should understand the, hey, listen, five or six more times and I'm really going to be mad about this, it's Alex.
Nobody has ever been given more than 10,000 times and I'm going to be mad at you, right?
And now he's doing it for Trump.
And it's like, you know, what happens if you allow this to happen.
It is you.
dan friesen
Yeah, there is that dynamic.
And then I think on top of that, there is a like, what he's doing is, I don't want to play anymore.
Yeah.
Like, he has wallowed in this mire, this disgusting sandbox of like exploiting crimes against children for his own profit and engagement numbers.
And now it's like, no, I didn't do this.
Look, I'm going to just give a report card.
I'm checking out.
We're going to be very clinical about this.
Like, fuck you, man.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You don't get to choose.
jordan holmes
I was winning, right?
But now that the other team took the lead, I think we should end the game.
You guys can keep playing, but I'm going to take my ball.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I know I said the floor was lava, but I have anti-lava boots.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
Jesus Christ.
We're playing pretend with cheaters.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Fuck you.
jordan holmes
I actually have an invisible bullet shield.
unidentified
Oh, goddammit.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's very disrespectful.
alex jones
Yep.
dan friesen
So Alex can't be an occult because he has important blood in his veins.
jordan holmes
That doesn't feel true.
dan friesen
He's so important with his blood.
jordan holmes
I understand that, but it feels like that's very cult-y.
dan friesen
You can't be an occult if you have great blood.
alex jones
And so I pride my relationship with God, my family, my country, and my ancestors being ridiculous badasses across the board.
Just goes from incredible to insane.
And I never get into all of it, but it's prestigious on both sides all the way back to freaking you name it.
And so, I mean, I got the blood of the Vikings that conquered England a thousand years ago.
I got it all, folks.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they weren't in a cult.
alex jones
I am not anybody's cult member.
So let's just get that 100% straight.
So, that said, I'm not emotional about it.
I'm going to support Trump when he's good.
I'm going to criticize him when he's bad.
And I'm not going to be manipulated by this type of childish behavior.
jordan holmes
Which is why I'm giving out report cards.
alex jones
I'm not going to be able to twist everything and becoming obsessed with undermining Trump.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
I like 95% of what he's doing.
I have my morals.
I have my issues.
I will not be gaslit.
But I am very saddened.
dan friesen
But not emotional.
I agree with 95% of what he's doing, but that 5% is working with the devil to specifically exploit the other 95% to trick me into supporting him.
jordan holmes
The problem with the report card, right?
dan friesen
Plus, check minus.
jordan holmes
What are we talking about?
Like, say you're a student who is in league with the devil, right?
If you can still get an A, there's really no problem with being in league with the devil, right?
dan friesen
You've still got an A. I think there's some grading issues.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there needs to be a DQ.
Maybe a DQ is involved.
You know, like once you work with the devil, I don't care what your report card is.
You're DQ'd.
You're out.
dan friesen
Yeah.
You know how, like, you'll have tests along the way through a semester.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But then the final counts for more.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So if you don't do the final, oftentimes maybe it'll get you to a failing grade.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It'll really severely impact your grade.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
The devil is the final.
jordan holmes
It is, it's really tough to get past that.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
Or at the very least, you know, like we're going back to the challenge.
The challenge.
We watched the challenge.
There was an episode that my wife was playing, and it was the episode where somebody took a, or was it Tina?
I think Tina took a swing at Beth and hit her and was like, you got to leave the show.
Honestly, it didn't affect her.
She's been on there for 30 more years or whatever.
Yeah.
But you got to leave this time.
You just got to go.
dan friesen
Yep.
If you work with the devil, you're out.
jordan holmes
You got to go.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And when you stop working with the devil, maybe we'll see you next season.
You got the it factor for the show.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
We'll let you let you back, but you're out.
You're out, man.
You succumbed.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we let Tony come back every time, somehow.
But will you kick him off every time, too?
dan friesen
Wendy swing, you gotta go.
jordan holmes
When you swing, you gotta go.
dan friesen
So the Dems, they're trying to claw their way into Alex's building as we speak.
Okay.
They are trying to get all of his stuff through courts because of his bankruptcy.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
And it's kind of like the attack on Zion at the end of the Matrix.
jordan holmes
That sounds true.
alex jones
Yeah.
And I'll just say this: it is very paradoxical to have the Democrats frothing more viciously than ever, like World War Z zombies trying to scratch their way in to shut this place down so they can run around metaphysically with our severed head like some Roman standard when it won't even do that.
I've been waiting for you, Obi-Wan.
We meet again.
The circle is now complete.
When I left you, I was but the learner.
Now I am the master.
Only a mastered of evil, Darth.
You should not have come back.
You can't win, Darth.
If you strike me down, I should become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.
But see, that's their nature.
They don't care.
I'm just scratching.
dan friesen
Yeah, so I can't help but think about how Alex was making fun of Ted Cruz for using Star Wars analogies to appeal to his dumb boomer audience.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
But now he's doing line-by-line readings.
dan friesen
And from memory, dispassionate readings.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That sounded like a bummed-out Obi-Wan.
jordan holmes
It felt a little bit like he was sucking his thumb.
dan friesen
If you straighten me down, I'll become stronger.
unidentified
Right?
jordan holmes
Can't you feel him just being like, I'm saying these words because they calm me?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's like whenever I watch Star Wars and I remember that Darth Vader's the best.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's sad.
Very sad.
jordan holmes
Yeah, not good.
dan friesen
But what's not sad?
jordan holmes
What isn't sad?
dan friesen
Alex seems to have remembered the demon idea.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
The idea that Trump had a demon in him.
jordan holmes
Perfect.
Now we're rolling.
dan friesen
Yes.
I don't know how it has slipped his mind up till this point, but he's getting back to that the flesh.
jordan holmes
Hell yeah.
dan friesen
Trump was engaging with the flesh.
jordan holmes
Fuck yeah, there we go.
alex jones
But from insiders that know Trump very well, they say all the pressure on him and his family, the attempts to kill him, he's such a workhorse that he didn't crack up.
He didn't fall apart.
He didn't become a failure.
He didn't buckle the stress, but he, like doomsday, the more you attack him, the stronger he gets.
And I'm only 51 and being messed with and attacked and just viciously lied about and persecuted doesn't make me feel sorry for myself.
Doesn't make me want to give up.
It makes me want to fight even harder.
And I've had to pray a lot about this.
And I think you've seen it on air, folks.
It's not demonic energy, but if you study it and experienced it, tectonic, berserker, extreme male will is fleshly and it's something God gave us to be able to use to defend ourselves and motivate ourselves.
But the devil can jack into that energy.
Mike Tyson's talked about it.
dan friesen
Oh, Mike Tyson's talked about it.
jordan holmes
Well, now that Mike Tyson's talked about it.
dan friesen
Would you describe that as a toxic kind of masculinity?
jordan holmes
What about that could sound toxic to you?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
With the devil being involved?
dan friesen
It's tainted by the devil.
jordan holmes
Should we, should, is that really what we needed to have done the whole time to communicate with people like this?
Whoa, whoa, whoa, it's not toxic masculinity.
Yeah, you just need to worry about demonic masculinity.
dan friesen
The devil can tap into your berserker energy.
jordan holmes
Every time you are with somebody and you're like, oh, maybe I'll make this comment.
That's the devil.
So shut the fuck up around women.
dan friesen
If you just use religious and sci-fi words, I think you could sell Alex on woke.
jordan holmes
You know what?
I don't think you're wrong.
It reminds me too much of the Adventure Time episode where the princess is like, can I give you this vaccine?
They're like, no, vaccines are evil.
We use magic.
And then at the end, she's like, this is magic.
unidentified
Bam!
jordan holmes
And just gives him the vaccine.
dan friesen
Yeah.
That's probably what would work.
jordan holmes
Probably.
dan friesen
So Trump, he's been with the flesh.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And Alex is describing how, like, when you're determined, like him and Trump, and people are being a dick to you, you don't give up.
You work harder.
alex jones
Sure.
dan friesen
Or you cheat.
And cheat by embracing evil energy.
jordan holmes
Sure.
Wait, what?
dan friesen
Which is what Trump has done.
jordan holmes
Hold on.
dan friesen
Because about a year ago, he decided to put on Sauron's ring.
jordan holmes
Okay, that happened.
alex jones
But the devil can jack into that energy.
Mike Tyson's talked about it.
And so when I get in that state, I resonate stronger with the dark side, and I got to be real careful.
Because I'm very empathic.
We all are, but I'm extremely empathic.
And you don't want something to jump in in the driver's seat.
So the ring of Mordor is right there.
unidentified
I can just go right now.
alex jones
It's very tempting.
I would become a terrible king.
I'm not going to put on the ring I'm not going to put on the ring Trump put it on, boys and girls, about he was flirting, putting it on and off until Butler put it on.
When he hit the ground, you see that photo of him on the ground bleeding.
You look at that face.
When he popped back up, he died.
jordan holmes
He actually died.
He was dead.
dan friesen
Before that, he was bilboing.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Yeah, he died.
And then his body was healed by the demon.
And now it's Demon Trump.
Boom.
We've got even.
dan friesen
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
This doesn't work with the Gene Heckman timeline.
jordan holmes
Fuck, you're right.
dan friesen
If it did, it would be perfect.
jordan holmes
You're right.
You're right.
We got to find a way to fit Gene Heckman in there.
dan friesen
Yeah, because the demon, Alex needing to save Gene Heckman has to be important to this.
Or else our cinematic universe falls apart.
jordan holmes
And it can't be as a distraction because Alex didn't actually do anything about it.
And then Gene Heckman just died.
Right?
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Fuck.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I don't know what it is exactly how this works out, but yeah, I guess Trump died and put the ring on.
He fell onto the ring or something.
jordan holmes
I mean, this is when you get into Tom Bombadil areas of there's only one man who can carry the ring, and that's the forest spirit who's maybe eternal.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I also think that this is not doing what the work you need to do to defend Trump.
Like, this is like, okay, kill him then, right?
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's evil.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You've said you just put on the ring.
You just said not just he put on the ring, but you did it in a way that suggested it was a bad thing.
And that since then, only bad things have happened.
dan friesen
Well, it's not always a bad thing if you're responsible, like Tom Bombadil or whatever, but it's bad because of the flesh and demons.
So Alex has spent hours on his show waxing poetic about how Trump's determined face after he got shot and he chanted fight, fight, fight.
That's the look of God's energy in a person.
He specifically talked about how this is, you know, that energy.
unidentified
Maybe he just is backwards and the devil tricked him.
dan friesen
He might be.
jordan holmes
He might be.
dan friesen
Alex has been very clear about this like visual identifier that he has.
And now that's supposed to be the moment that Trump put on the evil ring.
So none of this shit means anything, but if Alex could see in Trump's face that he'd put on the ring at the Butler rally, why would he still try to get Trump elected?
The ring is evil.
It's not possibly evil.
It's just straight up evil.
And electing someone who put on the ring as president is a stupid thing to do.
Further, Alex's whole thing with the Butler rally was that God specifically intervened to save Trump's life.
So, did God do that just so Trump would immediately put on the ring?
It does feel like it's devil stuff.
unidentified
Yeah.
Uh-oh.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
That's no good.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
You know?
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Do you know what, though?
I think if I ever got into a position where I was defending a politician I liked by saying, well, I put on the ring.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Defense.
That's a defense.
dan friesen
I think I would quit.
jordan holmes
That would be the time.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Here's the thing, right?
If you are going to spin this in a positive way, right?
Don't choose, let's say, relatively young adult morality tales with a clear good and evil within them.
Choose like a timeline spanning thing where it's like maybe nothing means anything and actually evil actions can eventually lead to good results if you just expand the timeline out long.
Choose something like that.
No, the message of dude is very different.
dan friesen
But it's confusing.
jordan holmes
That is actually a very helpful thing.
dan friesen
And the books are long.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
Yeah, you could be like, Paul Atreides committed a genocide and he's still the good guy, right?
dan friesen
For a minute.
That's why I feel like Childhood's End is a really good thing for him to reference.
It's obscure enough that a lot of people haven't read it.
Yeah.
At least less than Lord of the Rings.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Right.
This is dumb.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
But the ring, it's not even from the movie.
It's not even from the book.
jordan holmes
Wait.
Now, wait, what?
How can it be from something that created it?
dan friesen
It's an archetype.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
dan friesen
Like Conan the Barbarian.
alex jones
Ring went on.
And that's what's going on.
That's the best analogy, but it's not a movie.
That's a great archetype.
It's not a book.
It's what that book is based on in the real world is an allegory.
jordan holmes
Heaven?
alex jones
By the genius J.R.R. Tolkien.
And so, yeah, Trump's enemies ought to really watch out because he put it on.
And what he's saying to everybody is, you better get out of my way.
And I'm a chronicler.
I alone can tell you of the days of great adventure.
unidentified
Oh, God.
Oh, God.
alex jones
That's the intro to that classic Millis masterpiece, Conan the Barbarian.
The second one was terrible by the director of the writer.
But what a powerful representation of the great archetypal books of Robert E. Howard from Texas.
Who himself could have been the heavyweight champion.
What a maniac.
You know, you're reading those Conan books.
That's what's in his mind.
Untrained writer writing that savage stuff.
That's what was in him.
His mother dies.
He blew his head off in the parking lot of hospital in Texas.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
But the point is, is that I'm sorry?
See if you guys can find the intro to Conan where it's got the days of great adventure.
But see, that's my archetype.
My job is to tell you what I really think.
dan friesen
I am a storyteller.
jordan holmes
There you go.
dan friesen
This Trump guy sounds like shit.
It makes you wonder why someone would have ever been into him in the first place.
But you have to consider that he was a totally different guy before he put on the ring.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You know, so that's kind of why it's all cool.
jordan holmes
Then we bail.
Because the guy was different.
So now we bail.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Because he's a different guy.
dan friesen
And we have to stop him.
jordan holmes
We have no further obligation to the guy who used to be.
Because once you become a different guy, you're no longer that guy.
I don't understand how this is complicated.
dan friesen
Yep.
I swear, man, if Alex's parents didn't make him think that schools were liberal indoctrination centers, I think he could have lived a really happy life as an English teacher who just ranted at kids about sci-fi all day.
jordan holmes
Wouldn't be the first one I've ever met.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I think maybe he would even be he'd fit into that kind of world.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
You can be a cool teacher.
Absolutely.
You can like.
I don't play by the rules.
You can meet famous people and then to the students be like, but actually he's kind of a he sleeps with people.
dan friesen
You know, like you're just kids with gossip about famous writers.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
It doesn't even need to be true.
You can just have a chance.
dan friesen
That's great working on your novel.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
God damn.
That's the life for him.
jordan holmes
Everything could be better for everyone.
dan friesen
Guys, let me tell you about Howard, and now he shuts his head off in a parking lot because his mom.
jordan holmes
You know, think about those few kids.
dan friesen
You want to be a good writer?
Box.
jordan holmes
Those few kids who maybe, you know what?
Maybe their lives aren't great because their English teacher is Alex Jones.
But they took the hit for the rest of us.
You know, they keep the rest of us safe.
So.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I think maybe English teacher Alex Jones wouldn't have fallen down a lot of these dark roads.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, I think he still would be drinking.
dan friesen
That's true.
jordan holmes
I don't think they quit.
dan friesen
Yeah, and who knows what kind of inevitable.
jordan holmes
Right.
Wouldn't be the first teacher I saw with a flask in her desk.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So look, Trump is bad.
Ish.
Kind of.
Bad.
jordan holmes
No, very.
dan friesen
He put on the ring.
jordan holmes
He put on the ring.
dan friesen
Yeah, but he's not.
Look, he's good.
He's great.
He's fine.
I'm scared of him, honestly.
If I could be totally clear, his enemies are going to pay, and I don't want to be one of his enemies.
jordan holmes
I like all of what you're saying.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Now, boil it down into how do you fit that on a report card?
alex jones
Bad.
jordan holmes
Check minus.
Fair enough.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
But look.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's everyone else's fault.
jordan holmes
That sounds true.
dan friesen
This is really the left's fault.
alex jones
Wow.
And I want to tell the Democrats and the globalists of the deep state something.
You are really playing with nuclear hellfire.
And I've thought about the last few months going ahead and saying this.
And I think the Russians and the Chinese already know this.
He's not putting on a guy that's gone to another level to intimidate people and stuff.
It's 100%.
People messed with him too much.
They screwed with him too hard.
And again, I've only been through 10% of what he's been through.
And it made me get a lot because I didn't give up.
It made me, I'm way meaner, way smarter, way stronger.
And I said this about a year ago when I started to go to this metamorphosis.
I said, I really feel sorry for the globalists.
And I also said, I'm.
I said, I'm almost ashamed I've made this decision.
Because it's not.
It's not becoming evil, but it's taking the governor off.
And that's a slippery slope to becoming Sauron if you got the gear to hack it.
And I got the gear.
So I know.
I know the gear Trump's got.
And it's dangerous.
And that's why the globalists hate my guts.
That's why they hate Trump.
They hate people that pack the gear to wear the ring.
Well, guess what, boys?
Trump just put it on.
And you're in a lot of deep shit.
And I'm stepping back going, everything you said he was, everything you manifested, you conjured this.
You did this.
You did it.
jordan holmes
It's all your fault.
You know what I wonder?
What this brings up to me is this question, right?
Time machine, 2015, play for Alex what he is saying on this episode.
I think they still do it.
I think they still go for Trump.
dan friesen
Yeah, because it would be like a deep fake or something.
jordan holmes
Something.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I don't know.
I mean, I don't feel like this mentality is too different from Nazis who just blame Hitler's victims for Hitler's rise.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, if you guys hadn't have allowed him to rise and let us yell, you're our God king, then we wouldn't be in this situation.
So it is kind of your fault, isn't it?
dan friesen
This is, I mean, honestly, I feel it's very pathetic.
I don't really know how else to look at it than pathetic.
He wants to be the chronicler now.
Yeah.
Because shit is real hot in the kitchen and he has nowhere to go.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so like, oh, look at me.
I'm just a storyteller out here just telling you what it is.
I have no responsibility for creating this demon.
No, no, no.
I've just been watching this whole Time, really.
jordan holmes
All right.
The piece of shit is the guy who grabs your fist and then punches you with it and goes, stop hitting yourself, right?
Now, a guy like me, who is miles away shouting, Hey, stop hitting yourself to Alex is not the same thing because he is hitting himself.
This is not safe behavior.
No one is hitting you.
No one is punching you.
You are punching yourself in the face over and over and over again.
dan friesen
Yeah, in a way that we all get punched too somehow.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
We're your collateral damage from your own self-flagellation.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Just shut up.
jordan holmes
Just go away.
dan friesen
So I thought that this, this whole like you left, you fucking idiots.
You created this bad Trump.
jordan holmes
It's our fault.
dan friesen
You fucked with him too much.
jordan holmes
We made him put on the ring by, excuse me, what was it we did again?
dan friesen
And I thought that this was a little bit reminiscent of some anti-Semitic ideas through history.
And what do you know?
He immediately connects it to Israel creating influences.
alex jones
There we go.
You conjured this.
You did this.
Just like Israel lobby running around the last 30 years, censoring the internet and harassing mainline conservatives and trying to intimidate them into becoming Israeli operatives triggered these people to now be attacking Israel on every front.
You conjured this.
And then now you've got what you said was coming.
You made it happen.
Nick Fuentes was working for the Daily Wire and was pro-Israel.
And then they tried to henpeck him and basically get him to Israel to be a mossad operative.
He figured it out.
Then they fired him and then tried to get him banned everywhere.
And then look what he turned into.
Oh, he's got gear.
He said it's very smart.
He's got a will.
He's 26.
Imagine if they persecuted Nick Fuentes till he's 78.
unidentified
That'd be a pretty scary creature.
alex jones
Nick Fuentes said, I saw the clip a few days ago.
He said, this is the dark Infowars.
This is the dark Alex.
Yeah, it is.
dan friesen
This isn't dark InfoWars.
It's just desperate InfoWars.
This was always the subtext, and a lot of the audience got that he was just spouting anti-Semitic tropes from history and subbing in the word globalist for Jewish.
But there used to be a reason to keep that act up.
The reason was money, in the sense that most people really don't like Nazis and don't want to be associated with them.
So in the past, you'd get kicked off social media platforms if you were too anti-Semitic.
That danger doesn't exist anymore, and you can just do whatever you want online.
At the same time that this risk has disappeared, Alex's potential audience is also disappearing.
A lot of the meat and potatoes libertarian Ron Paul type fans are probably super old by now and a lot of them died from COVID.
There's no left-leaning people who could really get into Alex's shtick and the audience that he's cultivated think that they're part of a war between God and the devil.
If Trump has put on the one ring and is covering up the Epstein case and you can't say that he's working with the devil, then how can anyone who believes they're in a war think that you're anything other than lukewarm?
God detests the lukewarm.
jordan holmes
He's not a fan, famously.
dan friesen
Nazi types are really the only audience Alex can chase, and he's going to be disappointed about how bad the returns on that are going to be.
While he's been busy playing his let's talk in coded language for respectability's sake games, a whole industry of people like Nick has popped up and Alex is a joke to them.
He's a washed up boomer who's trying to chase relevance by hanging out with the avant-garde cool kids.
I don't know this for sure, but I don't really think that Nick ever worked at the Daily Wire.
He was on the right side broadcasting network, but he was kicked off after he went to the Unite the Right rally.
Even fairly early in his career, he was a big anti-Semite and he was trying to take down Turning Point USA because they're too friendly with Israel.
In the same way that Trump's handling of Epstein stuff has been self-defeating, this carrying water for Nick is self-defeating for Alex.
He's understandably bummed out that Trump doesn't want him around, but he's going to find out that these avant-garde Nazis don't like him either.
And they already have supplement dealers if they're interested in that.
There's nothing to be gained here.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you know, like the dynamic all too often between youth pastor and youth group is youth pastor really wants to hang out with kids.
You know?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Not necessarily, not necessarily in a creepy or gross way, but in like a.
dan friesen
It could be, or it could be these are the people who think I'm cool, like Coach McGurk.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
And that's the dynamic here is like, you're not supposed to be a youth pastor.
The kids in the youth group go like, this guy needs to stop playing Wonder Wall, please.
dan friesen
Yeah, but in the youth group, the youth group leader really wants these kids to think he's cool.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Right?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that's fine.
Except in this case, these youth group members are into hard drugs.
jordan holmes
Hardened Nazis, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, and they're going to get you into those hard drugs or you're not going to be cool.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So you're never going to be cool.
dan friesen
Good luck.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, Trump's Hitler now.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But it's like that's okay.
It's your fault.
jordan holmes
It's my fault.
That's okay, fine.
dan friesen
Yeah, you're too mean.
unidentified
You know what?
jordan holmes
I'll take it.
alex jones
I will take that.
I'm an aggressive alpha male.
So when I continually get tortured, that which doesn't kill you only makes you stronger.
You're going to get this.
So what I'm trying to explain to our enemies is this.
We're not like you, camp followers, you know, groups of betas that want power, that get in little clubs and do passive, aggressive, sneaky, criminal, weird stuff, okay?
You're going around conjuring armies of men that will destroy you.
And I understand the danger of what you've conjured.
So I'm saying you're really dangerous and bad and horrible.
You're sickening Satanism and weakness.
And then historically, when that rises, it conjures something that isn't very Christ-like, that smashes you.
And then in the process, you've got to get in total alignment with the Emperor King that will deliver us from you, but it turns into something even worse down the road.
Great job, globalist.
Great job, New World Order.
Great job.
dan friesen
What a mess.
So I guess this is how you rationalize.
jordan holmes
I like plaudits.
I'll take that.
I like being told, great job.
Thank you.
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
The Chronicler has come up with a new angle on this story, which is that, you know, Trump becoming a tyrant and, you know, maybe ethnically cleansing the United States and killing off everybody, putting in martial law, whatever.
That's, I mean, look, it's what happens.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That's what happens when gay people can get married and gender identity is not stigmatized publicly.
Yeah, hey, man.
All these kind of things that you bring upon your own destruction.
jordan holmes
You know, okay.
So like in an evolutionary arms race, you know, like the gazelle and the cheetah or whatever it is, right?
I understand that the gazelle evolves to defeat the cheetah.
You know, they try to survive.
And so it's a conflict that never ends, right?
But it only started because the cheetah eats people.
All right?
That's the situation.
That's why we're in this situation.
You guys eat people.
And then we have to adapt to all that shit.
dan friesen
Yeah, the gazelle isn't adapting ways to kill the cheetah.
Yeah, it's surviving and running away.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
This is what I do.
I'm doing all of these things because you're an asshole.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I guess this is saying, like, I'm a cheetah because you keep evolving.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because you keep running away.
I have to get better claws.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
No, I don't get to relax anymore because you keep evolving.
How do you feel about that?
Does that make you feel good that I can't watch TV?
dan friesen
I guess in nature, I'm neutral on it.
unidentified
But as far as people go, it's a little different.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Kind of stupid.
Hey, listen, if we're a cheetah or a gazelle, we all got to eat, right?
dan friesen
Yeah.
So the left, they've conjured Demon Trump.
alex jones
Sure.
dan friesen
And look, man, Alex really, really wants that Conan clip.
alex jones
So the Democrats, the left, Hollywood, the New World Order, they're the enemy.
They're the established, rotting, sickening palace of evil.
And then when you go out and wage war against the countryside and invade every sector of society and come for our children, Historically, it doesn't bring forth a Jesus Christ.
That's a one-time deal.
It brings forth a Titus who will burn you to the ground.
So that's the reality.
I want the voiceover from the intro of it.
jordan holmes
You prick.
alex jones
That's what I want to ask for years.
It's not a big deal.
It's certain things, though.
I can never have.
All right.
It's intro credits to come in, guys.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
Not the starting movie.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
alex jones
No big deal.
No problem.
Now, in fact, just forget it.
Let's not do it.
unidentified
So, yeah, don't do it.
dan friesen
Dude, is angry.
Yeah, I mean, I tire of this storyline.
There's no real way out.
It's basically just like, all right, Trump sucks now, but he's our king.
You deal with it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Like, I told you.
If you want to blame me, right?
If you want to blame the left or whatever, then you have to then hold yourself accountable to it being our fault, which is suggesting that what you really want is for us to give you like this little space and coddle you like a bunch of babies where you're allowed to live free and roam and be racist to whomever you want because it's only white people there right but that's not what they want that isn't going to help that is not what they they want to fuck people over and then whenever they fuck themselves
it's somebody else's fault.
dan friesen
Yeah, and when the sort of road runs out, they want to create the impression that the people who are being hurt are the ones to blame because they didn't submit.
You insisted on having a pride parade.
We told you to stop.
You could have stopped.
jordan holmes
We didn't ask you.
We told you.
dan friesen
Yeah, we told you exactly like we did bomb threats at schools.
Like you understand?
We were very clear.
We shot abortion clinics.
We have made our intentions clear.
Y'all didn't stop.
Now you created Trump.
He's a demon.
He put on the ring.
He's going to do all of that stuff and more.
We warned you with the shootings and stuff.
jordan holmes
Here we are.
We told you that we're going to have all the guns and now look at us with all these bullets in our feet.
How could you let us do this?
dan friesen
And it's also a little bit of an illusion because it's still just like, Trump's just going to do the stuff that we wanted him to do like really aggressively now.
So, bye-bye.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah, it's a complete abdication of even taking any kind of responsibility.
dan friesen
I am the chronicler.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Exactly.
I love that.
Actually, I'm outside of this whole thing.
Sure, sure.
You're right.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I was pretty central to it at the beginning, but that was just chronicling.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That was just regular chronicling.
dan friesen
You watch some of those clips from Bring Me Roger Stone.
Yeah.
And him and Alex at the RNC and they're so fucking happy.
jordan holmes
Oh my God.
dan friesen
They're so in the mix with all this stuff.
And then Alex is like, oh no, shit's gotten bad.
alex jones
I don't want to play anymore.
dan friesen
I'm the chronicler.
Look at my new hat.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Fuck you, dude.
jordan holmes
Fuck you.
Just eat it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Eat it.
dan friesen
And he should.
And one of the things he has to eat is a clip of Trump calling him stupid.
jordan holmes
Yay!
dan friesen
He plays this clip.
jordan holmes
Hell yeah.
dan friesen
And it is more or less talking about people like Alex.
donald j trump
I'd rather talk about the success we have with the economy, the best we've ever had and all of the things we've done, including the Middle East.
I mean, you see it.
Instead, they want to talk about the Epstein hooks.
And the sad part is it's people that are really doing the Democrats'work.
They're stupid people.
unidentified
Yeah, go ahead.
Mr. President, when you have to go to the edge of Mr. President.
alex jones
trump thinks he's got enough pull the constituency to slap us around a little bit and then we'll uh be good little boys and girls and shut up and and to me it's not even the epstein story now it's this behavior that you spent the last 30 minutes talking about it's all of it and the democrats will take what i said out of context and you know say i'm attacking trump no you just heard what i said and you know it's true and so i i I really mean this.
Everyone should pray for Trump and pray for the Holy Spirit to be even stronger with him and to lead God and direct him and give him greater discernment and purify him and cleanse him.
Because I have to say this prayer sometimes twice a day when I start, you know, turning into Lex Luther, folks.
I mean, I don't do anything corrupt or bad.
I don't do dirty tricks.
I don't lie.
But man, could I?
I mean, I could just really wreck stuff.
And that's why they want me off the air because they think, God, that guy's got a lot of pull.
He could do a lot of damage.
No, you guys are doing the damage.
I'm trying to stop you.
Okay.
I don't want power.
I don't want to be in tuxedos at Mar-lago.
I don't want to be at the White House.
I've already been invited.
I had the White House calling me this morning.
That's a whole nother thing.
Bunch of big heavy hitters calling.
And, you know, it's like, what do you want, Alex?
How can we make you happy?
And I'm like, can Trump please stop destroying himself and us with him?
Well, yeah, he, you know, he does what he thinks is best.
Streisand effect, yeah, we know.
Yeah, you know, don't you?
You know, I'm right.
dan friesen
Could he please cover this up better?
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
I'm a good guy.
I'm trying to solve the world's problems like Lex Luther.
jordan holmes
It is like, do they even know what they're admitting to?
dan friesen
He must.
jordan holmes
He has to.
You have to understand that what you're saying is that you and everyone around you and everyone around the president of the United States knows he's a fucking idiot who is probably a super child rapist.
dan friesen
Probably.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
There's an elephant in the room one way.
jordan holmes
All of you know this collectively and you are speaking it out loud as though that's not a problem in and of itself.
dan friesen
It's not compared to him not shutting up.
jordan holmes
Right.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So like the Streisand effect, Jordan.
jordan holmes
If all of you agree on this and all of you know this and he doesn't actually have the ability to do anything, put him in a little room.
dan friesen
I mean, that would solve maybe the problem of him calling you stupid.
jordan holmes
There you go.
Like, just fucking manipulate him instead of taking his order.
How insane are you to take his order?
dan friesen
Everything.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
If you're the one saying he's an idiot, then treat him like an idiot and get him to do what you want.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Or poison his Diet Coke like you claim everyone's trying to do all the time for something.
You know, like you could slow acting, poison him like they did 10 years ago or whatever.
unidentified
God.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's incredibly stupid.
And I think that there's just a, there's, it feels a lot like a cowardly heartbreak.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, that feels like a lot of what's going on.
And you hear like Alex, like, I got a call from the White House.
Trump doesn't think I'm stupid.
He thinks I'm stupid.
What is going on?
Why did I play that clip?
I still love this man.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
alex jones
I can see his body language.
I've been through some similar things.
And I still love Trump.
But I kept asking who's giving this horrible advice.
It's him.
I said it last Monday.
First to say it.
It's Trump behind all this.
He advised it.
All you people that said, oh, you're attacking Trump.
It's Bondi.
You're wrong again.
I'm right again.
And it's not about, oh, I'm smart.
It's about start having some respect out there, dip shit.
dan friesen
Yeah, you dip shits.
I said it was Susie Wiles.
What's going on, dip shits?
Start having, put some respect on his name.
jordan holmes
Like, I understand.
Like, listen, I understand all the rules.
I understand all the laws, and I get the Constitution.
But if all of you agree in the government, this guy shouldn't be president, just like everybody close your eyes for five seconds, and then he's not president, and then we'll just act like everything is exactly the same as it was before.
Well, you know?
dan friesen
Well, that relies on the people who Alex is talking to in the White House being real.
If they are real, And he is actually talking to someone, and it's not like, I don't know, one of those phones for kids.
Right, you know, right, right, right, right.
jordan holmes
It could be.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It could definitely be.
dan friesen
If he's talking to somebody in the White House, then yeah, they are admitting that they all think he's a total fucking idiot.
jordan holmes
How could you not?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Look at it.
Look at where we are.
dan friesen
Alex does say that, like, if you look around this cabinet, the cabinet meetings, everyone is just high on the power, the raw power that Trump is exuding because he put on the ring.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I guess that's an explanation.
He's intoxicated.
jordan holmes
I mean, I just understand that he is the president of the United States, according to all these rules and laws and votes and stuff.
But the president of the United States that was elected is a fiction.
It's imaginary.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Right?
dan friesen
With the image that's in the voters' heads or whatever.
Sure.
jordan holmes
It's just, it's just pure fiction.
You did not elect that person.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And a lot of you elected not another person.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
As opposed to some person.
jordan holmes
We don't have to do this just because, like, it's just so crazy to me.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Just like you're there next to him and be like, hey, no.
dan friesen
Hey, did you tweet that?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Hey, no.
Guess what?
Guess where we're going?
We're going to a super important summit between you and the most powerful people in the world.
And then you go to Chuck E. Cheese or something, you know?
Like, it'd be fine.
He wouldn't know.
He's senile and driving an exploding car.
So just get rid of the car.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
A lot of this still doesn't solve Alex's problem, though, you dip shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's right.
dan friesen
His real problem is that no one fucking respects him.
Alex can't get no respect anymore.
jordan holmes
I think that might be his real problem.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And so he complains about that and talks about how he's a wizard.
alex jones
Have some a little bit of respect when somebody's got a track record of 98%.
Bunch of Johnny cum lately's came and find their ass with both hands, don't know anything.
You get four phone calls from the White House this morning?
No, I don't think you did.
You want Steve Bannon's show tomorrow?
No, I don't think you did.
You picked the phone up and called Joe Rogan right now or Turker Carlson?
No, I don't think you can.
Can I get on the phone and get Trump on the phone by tonight?
Yeah, I can.
Could I get invited to the White House of Mar-Lago in the last six months?
Yeah, did I go?
No.
Not because I'm too cool.
I just, it's not my bag, man.
I'm the wizard off in the wilderness.
Radigast always staying away from the glitz and the glamour.
I'm in my cave.
And I come out of my cave when the sun rises in the morning and walk through the forests.
And I come out of my cave at night when the stars are shining bright.
And I think about the world and the universe and how things operate and envision the way through this tumultuous, dangerous storm we're in.
You don't see Merlin in the archetype of King Arthur hanging out at the parties at the feast in the throne room.
dan friesen
I like this Merlin analogy.
Because have you watched the show?
jordan holmes
Which show?
There was many of them.
Okay.
dan friesen
They all follow the same track.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, yeah, it's Merlin.
It's the story of Merlin.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
If you watch the show closely and you pay attention, some people can miss this.
King Arthur's only seen talking to Merlin once, like really early on.
And then after that point, Merlin just talks a ton about how King Arthur likes him and how close they are.
He keeps bragging about how he could totally go to the round table if he wanted to, but that's not his bag.
Arthur seems to not even know or care that Merlin exists.
But weirdly, Merlin keeps interviewing Sir Bedivere about how cool Arthur is.
It's really strange.
People forget that about the legend.
jordan holmes
Which is crazy because you'd think Arthur would care a lot since the wizard is so powerful, right?
You'd have to rely on the wizard all the time for all the things that the wizard can do, right?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, what can the wizard do?
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But he's just talking to Bedevere all the time.
jordan holmes
Yeah, what is, I mean, he's a cool dude.
dan friesen
I guess.
jordan holmes
He's a cool dude.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He was his wingman.
dan friesen
Arthur's wingman.
They were wingmen.
Arthur was between divorces and he didn't want his girlfriends to get a lot of publicity.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So Bedivir would go out with him in order to trick the press.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That makes sense.
dan friesen
And then people were trying to steal an election from Arthur.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And Bedevere was going around telling everyone about North Korean votes showing up.
jordan holmes
Right.
Yeah, I think we'll get there.
dan friesen
So anyway, Alex, I think this is really sad because he's describing how he wants to be seen by people.
And the irony is that's the character he used to have.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
And he threw it all away.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, this is exactly who he could be if he hadn't done everything he's done, probably since the supplement businesses all started.
jordan holmes
Probably.
dan friesen
But then more importantly, since Trump.
Yeah.
He could still be the wizard in the woods.
jordan holmes
He never was, but he had so successfully created that fiction, it still stays with us.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He's so successfully created it, people still have that false vision of him in their minds.
And all he had to do was just coast.
dan friesen
All he had to do was not actually be into the glitz and glamour.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
And he's lying about what his bag is.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I desperately want Hollywood people to love him.
I talked to Christopher Walken one time, and it was the greatest thing that's ever happened to me.
And he wasn't supposed to be there.
dan friesen
So I just think that's really sad.
jordan holmes
He is really sad.
dan friesen
And look, God may judge us.
And that will be sad too.
But hey, you know, globalists lost and I guess we all die.
Whatever.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
alex jones
We now have Dark Trump.
Oh, they always said he was dark.
He wasn't dark.
Big old sweetie pie, really.
But they got him now.
And that's what happens when you mess with people too long who aren't clitters.
You create something extremely, extremely, extremely dangerous when it's in the most powerful position in the world.
But it's better than you guys being in control.
And if we're going to be judged by the leaders God has seen fit to keep alive and put in power, then so be it.
But I just want all of Trump's enemies to know something.
You have lost 100%.
And those of you that aren't completely demonically possessed need to back off of Trump.
You know, that's really my message.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's clearly your message.
Back off of the demon guy.
Stay away and don't antagonize the demon guy.
jordan holmes
Wild.
dan friesen
Dark Trump has put on the ring of Sauron and he's going to fuck his enemies up.
And you better cool it.
You better cool it.
He's driving a car that's on fire.
jordan holmes
I, you know, like, maybe, maybe we've talked about this.
Maybe I pulled the trigger a bit too soon.
Maybe I'm a little bit on the quick side to just be like, I'm out.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, sure.
That's possible.
But boy, I've never found myself in this situation.
dan friesen
This is really late.
jordan holmes
This is way too late.
You can't.
dan friesen
You can't do anything.
It looks stupid.
jordan holmes
It looks dumb.
dan friesen
And thankfully, a little bit into the show, we get a little bit of hope.
Things may be, maybe everything is going to be okay.
unidentified
Okay.
All right.
alex jones
I'm going to tell you from all the research I have, all my understanding, exactly what's happening with Trump, and then I'm going to go to some major news from John Solomon is a very respected, dead-on guy who interviewed Trump yesterday privately and said Trump is going to appoint a special counsel.
We, of course, broke that news yesterday, but it's confirmed when Solomon says it.
He met with Trump yesterday.
Privately at length.
Great investigative journalist.
He told Steve Bannon that today.
dan friesen
So maybe, maybe everything's okay.
jordan holmes
Having lived in the future for quite some time now, I think it's great.
dan friesen
I love that you're just doing a show where it's like he's put on the ring.
He has become Dark Trump.
And then you get a little bit of news in the middle of the show and you're like, you know what?
Maybe a special counsel is going to happen.
Maybe everything's all right.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Maybe he's not Dark Trump.
jordan holmes
Right.
Right.
All right.
But, but, but, I'm going to, I'm going to ask you this question.
All right.
If somebody who put on the ring can be defeated by a special counsel, that ring is not that big a deal.
Well, I. I'm not very concerned about the ring.
dan friesen
Let me talk to you about the ring.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I think that what we're, you know, when someone you like puts on the ring, you worry about them losing their judgment.
alex jones
Sure.
dan friesen
And you worry about them doing things that are going to hurt you.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
dan friesen
Someone who put on the ring, if they're still able to appoint a special counsel here to deflect blame and maybe more quietly do a cover-up, is it so bad they put on the ring?
Maybe their judgment's intact.
Maybe there's a reason they're driving that fiery car.
jordan holmes
Right.
I'm fine with that.
But that contradicts all the things you said earlier.
dan friesen
Right.
He has no object permanence.
He's a baby who's seeing light for the first time.
jordan holmes
That's unfair.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's unfair.
No, you said that he sucked.
unidentified
And he put it on the ring a year ago.
dan friesen
He's been pushed too far.
jordan holmes
A special counsel can take like one of the fucking ring rates was like, oh man, I just should have appointed a special counsel and then I wouldn't be flying this undead dragon.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Also, as we discussed, I think the day after this, Trump comes out and says, I'm not doing that.
jordan holmes
I'm not doing a special counsel at all.
dan friesen
So this hope goes away pretty quickly.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But it kind of takes a little bit of the pressure off of talking about this story too much.
And Alex complains about his own plight for about an hour.
jordan holmes
Okay, of course.
dan friesen
And about how he's getting sued and how he's the victim in the Sandy Hook case and everything.
jordan holmes
Sounds right.
dan friesen
And then he prays for the death of the people who are attacking him.
jordan holmes
Great!
alex jones
Because if their goal is to get me off the air, well, you get the opposite when you try to intimidate and bully and terrorize and stalk and harass me.
I'm talking about the globalists that always hide behind the families.
He's just saying the families.
I'm no, you, you, no, you.
Paul Weiss law firm, already sanctioned by Trump, already admitted to criminal activity.
All of you, you know, it's you.
You know who you are.
And I pray to God that justice come upon you.
And I don't call for any violence.
It's not a veiled threat.
No, no, no, no, no.
Vengeance belongs to God.
Pray to God.
unidentified
Pray to God.
alex jones
That all of these people trying to destroy me and my family, that God show his face to them and move their heart to turn from their evil ways.
You know, I said that prayer a couple days before the last receiver committed suicide, and I didn't pray for God to hurt him.
I just remember saying a prayer because, you know, he's going to try to come into my life and do all these things to me and all the rest of it.
And I just sat there and prayed one morning.
I thought, you know, I used to pray for like a minute or two.
I prayed for about almost an hour.
Got on my knees, laid face down.
Just felt driven to do that when I get really there in the dark about 4 or 5 a.m.
And I just pray for my family.
I prayed for the country everywhere, but also just said a prayer.
I said, God, please move to the heart of this person.
They know they've turned on all this money.
They know they're just a tool to harass me.
That's not what the law is really about.
They know it's all a fraud.
Please, God, move on his heart with the Holy Spirit.
And I had no idea.
And maybe it's just questionous, I'm sure, that he killed himself three days later.
Wow.
The Lord works some mysterious ways.
jordan holmes
You can't believe it's coincidence.
dan friesen
What a tremendous piece of shit.
Like, I get that people have political differences.
Sure.
I think that there are some policies that are monstrous that other people may support.
And I think they probably could be a decent person, generally speaking, even holding that political belief.
alex jones
Sure.
dan friesen
You cannot do stuff like this and me ever believe you have a shred of decency.
If there is a person who took their own life and Alex is exploiting this and saying it happened because he prayed for God to move his heart.
Alex is a I don't even know the words.
Words fail me when I try to describe how grotesque and unfeeling that is.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, like, spiraled out.
You can say, like, oh, I prayed for this man to move, for God to change his heart and then he committed suicide, right?
But from the essence of that, what he's really doing is bragging about murdering a guy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's what's going on.
Yeah.
He's saying, like, I didn't think I was going to murder that guy.
It's like he took a miracle shot With a bow, and he was like, I can't believe that I got that heart.
It just went down.
I didn't even, I was just thinking, I'm going to shoot this arrow in any direction, you know?
And then he's telling other people, like, can you believe how great a murderer I am?
I'm not even trying to murder people and I'm murdering people.
dan friesen
Yeah, and we've listened to enough of Alex's show that we know that when he says, like, vengeance is the Lord, he also believes that you are the instrument of carrying out the Lord's vengeance.
And that's what he means when he says God works in mysterious ways.
jordan holmes
God made that man kill himself for Alex.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
And if you should want to kill some of Alex's enemies, he's going to treat that as the will of the Lord, too.
I mean, he doesn't want violence against these people, but maybe if something bad happened to him, he would pretend it was suicide or something.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He is a real piece of shit.
And I can't imagine being in the position of if this person is real, who Alex is talking about.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
Being a family member or something of this person, hearing him exploit this and be this kind of disgusting psych shit.
You just can't be a good person and behave like that.
Yeah.
They're antithetical.
jordan holmes
I mean, according to your own beliefs, right?
At the end of all of this, you and God are going to talk.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Can you imagine being like, hey, God, thanks for murdering that guy for me.
And him just going, stop.
Why would I do that?
Just go ahead and explain it to me from the very beginning because once you get to the focus of that, you'll understand why I'm sending you straight the fuck to hell.
You piece of shit.
dan friesen
You've been working with the devil this whole time.
You thought it was me.
jordan holmes
How?
dan friesen
Fucking idiot.
jordan holmes
I left you a book that tells you what to do.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I don't tell people what time it is in the middle of the night.
jordan holmes
Why would I do that?
I'm very busy creating time.
dan friesen
This is a crazy close-up magic trick you're falling for.
jordan holmes
Ridiculous.
It is.
That's such a great way of putting it.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
So anyway, look.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Trump's going to do the special counsel thing.
jordan holmes
Sure.
Wow.
dan friesen
And so let's just cut it down to like, let's put a timer on the Epstein stuff.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a good idea.
dan friesen
And I'm not doing that because Trump said to put a clock on it.
alex jones
I really thought about it a lot.
And I'm only going to budget after today, 30 minutes a day on this scandal.
And it's going to be huge and it's going to get horrible.
But I'm going to cover the good stuff happening and the other things that are dangerous and the things we can do.
I am after today, unless I do a special show here and there, I am not going to sit here and harp on this.
And it's not because Trump said, stop covering it.
dan friesen
I buy it.
jordan holmes
But it's the only thing.
It's like, it's literally the only thing for our entire lives.
dan friesen
I'm not an occult.
jordan holmes
For our entire lives, the conspiracy theory in one form or fashion or another is the people with the most power in the world fuck kids or are reptiles that fuck kids.
You know, like, that's what it is.
That's what it's always been.
That's the conspiracy theory.
dan friesen
Or murder kids and drink their blood.
jordan holmes
Whatever you like.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It doesn't always have to be like sexual crimes.
Right.
But it is, it's almost always a terrorizing and hurting kid.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
For the purpose of demon blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Right.
This now is the one true chance you have to prove it.
You have to prove that this is true.
And that means if you're Alex or one of these people, at the very least, you can crow for the rest of your life.
Ah, but this one is real.
And we proved it.
We got this one.
To shy away from this one is to admit that you never wanted any of it to be real in the first place.
dan friesen
No, it's glaring.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's too much.
Yeah.
When you have, you know, like you're saying, this is the bedrock of so many of these conspiracy theories.
It traces back to these sorts of crimes, whether it be for blood or for blackmail or whatever.
There is a centralness to this.
And for Alex to be like, all right, this guy that I like who's kicking a lot of immigrants out of the country, and I enjoy watching that.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
This stuff is pretty good.
Now, he's telling us not to ask questions about the central spoke in the wheel of conspiracies.
He's saying, don't look at this and you're not my fan if you do.
jordan holmes
Well, when you say it like that, it sounds really bad.
Yeah, it's tough.
dan friesen
But I love this guy.
I fucking love this guy.
jordan holmes
That's the thing about those words.
I don't understand how you can say those words and not be like, you know what?
unidentified
I get it.
alex jones
Yeah.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
I got it.
I got to get out of here.
dan friesen
Like, it's comical to imagine him responding to anybody else saying, stop asking questions about this.
unidentified
Absolutely.
dan friesen
You're not my fan if you ask questions.
unidentified
Absolutely.
dan friesen
It indicates that there is one conclusion that he cannot accept.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that is the elephant in the room.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's like those poll questions that if you just word them differently, if you word questions without certain triggered keywords and stuff, people will be like, yeah, everybody wants healthcare.
What are you stupid?
You know?
Like, if you just gave a rundown of who this person was and said their name was like Dick Wiggler or whatever it is, everybody would be like, you've got to kill this man.
You have to, this is, there's only, this is fucking insane.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And Alex would never be able to do this stuff.
I don't know what, I don't know what the fuck it is.
I think Alex is just a coward.
I think he's scared of opening this box.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
And the state, but you know, he's a coward with the stakes that are too high.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because if you're a coward and the stakes are low, you can kind of back out.
Maybe you look like an embarrassing loser while you do it.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Or maybe you can take the risk because the stakes are so low, you can just gamble.
jordan holmes
Yep, but this is this is like, I guess I'm in.
I guess I'm in.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And the function of that is that Alex can do all of the little creative writing exercises that he wants as the chronicler.
He can do all that that he wants, but what he's doing at the end of the day is still covering up the possibility that Trump is deeply involved in a lot of this stuff and actively covering it up for selfish reasons.
jordan holmes
While bragging about the Universal Spirit murdering people for him.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's true.
This person's insane.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this person is nuts.
Yeah.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Thank God that there's going to be a special cast.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
That's going to do it.
dan friesen
So we will move on to the next movement in this orchestra and see how Alex's mood changes.
I mean, look, shit's not good.
It's never going to be good again.
jordan holmes
No, probably not.
dan friesen
But we'll be back.
jordan holmes
But we will be back.
But we'll just keep on chugging along.
dan friesen
Because I'm the chronicler.
jordan holmes
I mean, what's going to happen?
Sure, it's going to get worse, but you're still going to be alive.
You might as well live through it.
dan friesen
Yep.
Yep.
So maybe I might add that to the outro.
Maybe I'm the chronicler.
jordan holmes
You are the chronicler now?
Wait, was Mako the guy who played the chronicler?
Or was that Mako Shark Rampant?
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
Ooh, Mako Shark.
That takes me back.
dan friesen
Yeah, it does.
jordan holmes
That takes me back.
dan friesen
No, Falsa Doom.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, I can't remember.
But I remember Mako.
Mako was the guy who played General Iroh in Avatar and also is just a general awesome dude.
He was in sidekicks.
It's fucking great.
dan friesen
Let's say it's him.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Let's say him.
We'll be back.
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
Indeed, we do.
It's KnowledgeFight.com.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
We'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I'm the Mysterious Professor.
I don't feel like saying I'm the Chronicler.
I already have the Mysterious Professor.
unidentified
It's planned.
jordan holmes
It's kind of similar.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And now here comes the sex robot.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
jordan holmes
Hello, Alex.
unidentified
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your work.
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