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Aug. 8, 2025 - Knowledge Fight
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#1064: July 13-15, 2025

In this installment, Dan and Jordan try to keep track of all the flips and flops of Alex's continuing attempt to navigate Trump's comically bad handling of the Epstein story, including Trump's scolding message on social media directed at his "boys and in some cases gals."

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alex jones
25:46
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dan friesen
44:19
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jordan holmes
23:02
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alex jones
Andy and Pansy.
Andy and Pansy.
Stop it.
Andy and Pansy.
Andy and Kansas.
unidentified
Andy.
alex jones
It's time to pray.
Andy and Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for all of this.
unidentified
Hello Alex, I'm a Fix Fam Caller.
I'm a huge fan.
dan friesen
I love your work.
Knowledge Fight.
alex jones
Not knowledgefight dot com dot I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple of dudes.
We like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jordan.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today, buddy?
dan friesen
Why don't you go first?
jordan holmes
My bright spot is I was playing tennis with my cousin., we like to play tennis.
It's fun.
And then he got sick.
The air quality was really bad and he just couldn't play any longer.
So we had to stop.
And we had only been playing for a little while.
So it was like, eh, this isn't any fun.
But even though it was 7:30 in the morning, there was just another guy out there.
There was just another guy, alone.
dan friesen
Now that's weird.
jordan holmes
That's weird.
dan friesen
Because tennis is for two people.
jordan holmes
It takes two.
dan friesen
Yeah, it may or a wall.
jordan holmes
Or a wall.
But he was just playing around, you know, doing stuff.
I don't know.
I have no idea.
dan friesen
He was just hitting the ball way up in the air.
jordan holmes
No, he was like practicing.
No, he was practicing serves.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
I think that's what he was doing.
So he was, you can do that by yourself.
dan friesen
Yeah, sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I mean, it's not as impressive to get one past someone and there's no one there.
jordan holmes
No, but you know, you get a bucket of balls and you, yeah, that kind of thing.
So instead of calling it a day, I was like, hey, let's just play some tennis.
And the guy said, yeah.
dan friesen
Okay, that's Yeah, it was great.
jordan holmes
So we played for another like half hour, him and me, we talked, we, you know, it was great.
It was real fun.
Oh, we didn't keep score.
He was not, he's not as good as me.
dan friesen
He's good against no one.
jordan holmes
He's good against no one.
So it was, it was just fun to, you know, go back and forth, hit a little bit.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Didn't have to try and win anything.
dan friesen
That's nice.
And, you know, it's nice to just run into someone and they say yes to life.
jordan holmes
It was awesome.
It was awesome.
We both, we both, it was, it's interesting to genuinely meet a new person, a complete stranger with just the intent of like, I guess we're gonna hang out now.
Because we both could feel this, like, this isn't what we do in 2025, is it?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Do we still just shake hands with new people?
I guess we do.
dan friesen
Well, you have to over the over the net.
jordan holmes
Exactly over the net.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot?
dan friesen
Well, I think I've talked about this before, but I'm going to keep on, I'm going to extend it even further.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Cereal is getting out of hand.
jordan holmes
I agree with you.
dan friesen
I have encountered a couple of cereals recently that I feel like this isn't a bright spot.
This is a warning.
jordan holmes
This is a warning.
This is a label.
dan friesen
This is a cereal industry.
jordan holmes
I'm calling you out cereal.
dan friesen
You can't keep doing this.
Frosted Flakes had a donut hole variety.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's just like balls of like because Frosted Flakes are just like, you know, frosting on a flake.
So it's just like a round thing but with frosting frosted on it.
Terrible.
Just a disaster.
jordan holmes
That's awful.
That sounds awful.
dan friesen
I didn't care for it and I imagine it's a disaster.
I'm for it, and I'm mad at the tiger now.
Yeah, I believe it.
So the other thing is every goddamn cereal is throwing in marshmallows.
jordan holmes
Ah, that's true.
dan friesen
I think I've brought up in the past that I found a Fruit Loops with marshmallows.
jordan holmes
That's disgusting.
dan friesen
And I recently found a Fruity Pebbles No.
with marshmallows.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
It's too much.
jordan holmes
No, that's a fucking travesty.
dan friesen
You have to choose one lane.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
that you're going down with these candy cereals.
jordan holmes
Marshmallows are not an addition to most cereals.
Marshmallows are usually a subtraction to most cereals.
dan friesen
They belong in specific territory.
Lucky Charms.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
The Monster varieties.
Of course.
You can throw marshmallows in there.
jordan holmes
Blueberries, yes.
dan friesen
You don't want Cinnamon toast crunch with marshmallows.
It's too much.
jordan holmes
No, disgusting.
dan friesen
You pick one major.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then you graduate.
jordan holmes
Where are you going to focus and where are you going to matriculate?
Kellogg's University, my friend.
dan friesen
These fucking cereals are trying to be jacks of all trade and it's just not working.
jordan holmes
You know, it's tough.
It's tough because you have to ask yourself, like, don't we have some ambition?
Like the people who make Kellogg's cornflakes.
They've been doing this since a guy tried to stop people from masturbating.
That's what this is their whole thing.
What are they going to do?
Just make Frosted Flakes forever?
Somebody's got to have ambition.
Somebody's got to shoot for the Ad Marshmallow Stars.
dan friesen
Right, but they did the Donut Hole.
jordan holmes
Oh, that was a bad idea.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I look, the Donut Hole is a bad idea.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Throwing marshmallows in everything is insulting.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because we can do that ourselves.
If we really want marshmallows in that cereal, that's a good idea.
We can do that.
jordan holmes
I will put the sugar in Grape nuts myself, sir.
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Driving me from the ability to be creative.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Agreed.
dan friesen
And I don't like it.
jordan holmes
No, you're right.
Cool it.
dan friesen
Cereals.
jordan holmes
Knock it off.
dan friesen
So today we have an episode to go over, Jordan.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
We're going to be talking about July 13th to 15th, 2025.
Right.
As we encounter the next chapter in Alex's deterioration around the Epstein Tabacle.
jordan holmes
It's going great.
dan friesen
It's still going great.
jordan holmes
I think people have got a handle on it.
I think we've all moved on.
I think, thankfully, no one has made any own goals since this time period.
dan friesen
No.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
There's not.
dan friesen
There's still headlines coming out that are dysy and need to be spun.
jordan holmes
No one's on a rooftop.
unidentified
Hey, look, I know we've talked about about that.
dan friesen
I didn't look too deep into it, but you texted me about Trump being on a rooftop and yelling at reporters.
And I thought, like, I get it.
Do you like being on a rooftop?
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
This is, you're right.
This is the most relatable thing I can think of for this man to do right now.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
If you've had like a folding chair and a cooler, Yeah.
Hang on here on the roof.
I get it.
jordan holmes
Guys, what are we all doing here?
That's the thing that I'm going to open a beer and talk to you about.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It would be a chill move on the president's part to hang out with his brothers on the roof.
Agreed.
But yeah, this episode sucks.
This is a disaster, and I think it's very funny.
Okay.
But before we get down to any of this, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, happy eighth birthday to Clifford, the big gay dog.
Thank you so much, you're now, Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you so much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, please send help.
Ultramethylene blue cleaned out my mitochondria, the powerhouse of the cell, and now my cells are dead.
Thank you so much, you're now, Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you so much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And Macho Man Charlie Donnelly comes in with a flying elbow.
He's completely eviscerated, decapitated, obliterated the competition politically.
Thank you so much, you're now, Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you so much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And we have Technocrat in the mix, Jordan.
So thank you so much to Zach from Lou in Saint Paul.
Thank you so much.
You and I are a Technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four star.
Go honk your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
alex jones
Someone, someone, Sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
Daddy Sharp.
Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam.
Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser little, little teeny baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much.
dan friesen
So you might notice that there's a little bit of a gap between our last episode and this one.
alex jones
Sure.
dan friesen
And that's because got it, I'm sorry?
He does.
He disappears for a bit.
jordan holmes
Fun.
dan friesen
So if you're Alex at this point, after the ninth, our last episode, after that, you're probably thinking that you've made it through the worst of the turbulence and that it can't really get any worse from here.
jordan holmes
It's hard to imagine it getting worse.
dan friesen
Damage has been done, Trump blew up at a reporter who asked someone else why the DOJ seemed to be changing their story about the Epstein case, and that looked so bad that Alex had to explain it away by saying that Trump had made a deal with the globalists and maybe was planning to use this blackmail that Epstein allegedly created for his own purposes.
For Americana's sake.
jordan holmes
Survival at least.
dan friesen
But that was a few days ago now, on the 13th, and the Trump base, they've a notoriously non-existent attention span.
In the past ten years, they've cultivated a media ecosystem built on the principle of distracting the audience from realizing that Trump sucks and he always has.
If you're in the position of a propagandist within this space, in the past ten years, you thought like, uh oh, this is the big one, like a hundred times, only to see whatever you're really worried about fade into the background whenever some other shiny, scary headline comes around.
Oh no, there's another migrant caravan.
Oh no, secret Ebola outbreaks are happening in Denver.
What I'm saying is that things had to look dark, but you would have every reason to think that maybe it could blow over.
This whole time Alex's primary message to the Trump administration has been, If you want to cover this up, then shut up.
Talking is hurting the cause.
And now it seems like Alex has decided to take his own advice because Owen hosts the show for the next few days while he tries to recover from whatever the past few days spin has taken out of him.
Alex takes off Thursday and Friday, the tenth and the eleventh of July, and he doesn't have a show on Saturday.
But then on Saturday, Trump got on Truth Social and posted a message that just made everything worse.
jordan holmes
Amazing.
dan friesen
What's going on with my boys and in some cases gals?
They're going after Attorney General Pambondi who's doing a fantastic job.
We're on one team, Maga, and I don't like what's happening.
We have a perfect administration, the talk of the world, and selfish people are trying to hurt it, all over a guy who never dies, Jeffrey Epstein.
For years, it's Epstein over and over again.
Why are we giving publicity to files written by Obama, crooked Hillary, Comey, Brennan, and the losers and criminals of the Biden administration who calmed the world with the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax, fifty one intelligence agents, the laptop from hell, and more.
They created the Epstein files just like they created the fake Hillary Clinton Christopher Steele dossier that they used on me.
And now my so called friends are playing right into their hands.
It's a very long post, but it wraps up saying, quote, One year ago our country was dead.
Now it's the hottest country anywhere in the world.
Let's keep it like that and not waste our time and energy on Jeffrey Epstein, someone that nobody cares about.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
As you can imagine, this didn't go over well.
And on Sunday, even though Alex has a show on Sunday evenings, he couldn't wait and had to get something out.
unidentified
Gotta do it.
dan friesen
Because this is a crisis.
jordan holmes
That is fucking crazy.
Yeah.
I mean, as a lover of dignity, none to be found.
None to be found very near here at all.
dan friesen
A lot of capitalization in weird places.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds right.
dan friesen
Do you not think it's dignified for him to have put my boys and in some cases gals in quotes?
jordan holmes
Amazing.
dan friesen
Boys and gals are in quotes.
jordan holmes
Do you know what I love about something like this post is that this post started with, don't worry, I got this.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, sir, what are we going to do?
Don't worry, I got this.
Boys and Gals nailed it.
Let's roll.
dan friesen
What's up with my boys and sometimes Gals?
jordan holmes
Sometimes Gals.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
Very few Gals these days.
Wonder why.
Anyways, Epstein's probably not a problem for me.
dan friesen
Would you guys please shut the fuck up about this guy?
jordan holmes
What are you, what are we doing?
What have we, well, Epstein, Epstein, Epstein.
All we're doing is pointing out that he was my best friend.
dan friesen
That's playing right into the enemy's hands and my fake friends.
jordan holmes
Oh my God.
dan friesen
won't shut the up about it.
jordan holmes
I mean, that's actually accurate though.
They are his fake friends.
dan friesen
I don't know if anyone's a friend.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's fair.
dan friesen
So Alex has been gone and that's a little bit strange.
But I do think that on some level it's partly because like he has to think that everything's okay, Trump is calming down a little bit.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then it picks back up here on the 13th and there's just no way around stepping back in.
Owen can't handle this.
jordan holmes
You know what's funny about it?
Is that this is one of those things where once again we suggest that Alex is aware that he can only make things worse because of his incapacity to not make things worse, right?
So we can rely on nobody paying attention.
to Owen or him just being able to toe The line of like, and that's it.
dan friesen
Yeah, Owen talks and the world ignores.
Yeah.
Like, no one cares, but Alex could create something that he'll have to undo.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
If he's on air, he's a danger to himself in a situation like this.
jordan holmes
Alex, you're a grenade, we have to put you away for a while.
It's just, and they know it.
dan friesen
Yeah, so he's gone, like, he's out of studio.
He's on vacation somewhere or something.
jordan holmes
Right, right, he's in a bunker.
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he has to record something on this Sunday because it's like, fucking hell.
This is crazy.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
So I call balls and strikes on this, and I'm not here defending the fiasco.
And what's unfolded that we've been at the very center of breaking and reporting on.
unidentified
Ball.
alex jones
But I have my integrity, so I've got to go where the facts lead.
That said, you noticed during the last few days I've posted a few articles, a few videos, but I've not really made a bunch of big statements about this.
unidentified
Strike.
alex jones
Because I wanted to really do my own research and really make an informed decision about what I was about to say.
jordan holmes
Ball.
alex jones
And doing that research has only opened up more questions than it's answered.
jordan holmes
Error.
Yep.
dan friesen
Alex wasn't doing his own research.
He was hiding out and rightly so.
Alex was only going to talk himself into choppier waters.
And like you brought up, like it's perfectly said, no one cares what Owen does.
He went to jail, then got out of jail, and basically no one noticed anything had happened.
jordan holmes
Didn't become like a martyr, did become just a guy who was in jail for a while.
dan friesen
Tucker barely interviewed him.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
I'm pretty sure that if Trump hadn't posted this shit on Truth Social, Alex would still be off air.
For the past few days, there's been bad vibes and hushed talk about Dan Bongino wanting to quit at the FBI, but you could still possibly think that this was going to be all right.
Trump blowing up at that reporter was bad., but this is now becoming a pattern, and it's pretty clear that Trump is not going to budge here.
So I can see how this would be like a moment, an inflection point, where it's like, this is not going to go away.
There shouldn't be any question for these people at this point.
Like Trump has made the cost of entry to the club very clear, and it is shut up.
You can't ask questions.
jordan holmes
Guess what?
I get to do whatever the fuck I want, and that's beyond what you ever imagined I would want to do.
So surprise.
dan friesen
So Alex is like, hey man, it's a holiday, kind of.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
It's the anniversary of Trump getting shot in Pennsylvania.
So why won't we think, look, think about how stressed he must be.
alex jones
Let's remember that one year ago today, July 13, 2024, in Butler, Pennsylvania, a young man with total government, federal MO connections goes to that fairground.
and is on top of that building for at least 10 minutes with a gun and everybody's saying gun gun gun no one does anything and sure enough they've now forced the trump administration part of the report to come out That.
Ten days before they got a specific threat alert on the plan, Butler.
And then that was basically stood down on by the deputy director who we now know was involved running the stand down.
dan friesen
Trump's FBI just came out and said that Crooks, the Pennsylvania shooter, acted alone and it wasn't an inside job.
This is supposed to be another cover up that Alex is furious about, but now there's some kind of a victory here or something.
The report he's talking about was put out by Rand Paul, head of the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, and Alex should definitely not agree with the argument it lays out in terms of the advance threat warning that Trump had.
Alex has said that the globalists wanted to present the idea that Iran was trying to kill Trump and that they would spin these assassination attempts as being done by Iran in order to create public support for a war with Iran.
If you're an info wars listener, you absolutely know this narrative backwards and forwards.
In Rand Paul's report, the advance warning wasn't ten days prior to the Butler shooting, it was the day before, and it wasn't about crooks.
It involved the FBI arresting a Pakistani national who they claimed had links to the IRGC and they claimed to the DOJ that he had come to the United States in April 2024 to quote, recruit an individual to assassinate US political officials.
According to the report, he met with undercover federal agents who he thought were assassins, made a deal for them to carry out the murder, and gave them five thousand dollars.
That's not enough money for me to take this seriously.
If the FBI, like what they're saying is true, then I'll believe that this guy probably wanted to hire someone for a murder, but if they were paying five grand, they weren't working for a foreign government, and no self respecting assassin would take that rate to kill a president.
jordan holmes
That's crazy.
dan friesen
Either way, the report Alex is making up a bunch of stuff about here, like you should have a fundamental problem with the premise that Rand Paul is working from.
This is not a report about an inside job, a globalist assassination plot and the Secret Service stand down.
It's about the Secret Service failing to protect Trump from an Iranian assassination attempt.
Like Alex should be mad at this report.
jordan holmes
The Secret Service, okay, they've never protected anyone from getting shot.
Hmm, right?
Like we've had the Secret Service for a long, long time.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And it's actually I was reading a history of all the presidents who have been shot at or died in office, which was fun, but it also shows like the slow evolution of people.
So there's a revolution of people being like, well, we have to protect this guy.
So the first time, everyone's like, oh yeah, you're gonna get shot if you try to be the president.
And then they're like, we'll have a couple of guys stationed outside of here.
And then the more details and then the more details and then the more details, but people are still gonna shoot him because you can't see people coming.
It's just how it works.
dan friesen
Sure.
I haven't read this book and I don't know for sure, but I would assume that there are, like, once bullets start flying, yeah, maybe they haven't protected anyone.
But earlier stages, I imagine there are some examples of things that they've they've averted.
But there's also, like, this to me kind of feels like the terrorist plots that were disrupted after 911.
You know, like there's a lot of FBI probably entrapment.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they've done stuff.
They've done like a hundred or more of those recently.
dan friesen
If someone is paying five thousand dollars to undercover FBI agents to kill the president, I don't know if that is an Iranian assassination attempt.
jordan holmes
That's someone who's clearly not capable of doing the math of murdering a president.
dan friesen
Probably.
jordan holmes
So you've very specifically chosen this person to.
to steal five thousand dollars from.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So you just have to remember, man, it's a stressful anniversary.
Yeah.
And we all should go a little light on the guy.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
So let's just have that backdrop, Pierre, about the stress and the pressure that Trump is under and the fact that the bad guys that we know are bad, the Democrats, the Globalists, Obama's people, he just had his third unelected term with Biden.
Let's just remember that when we're balancing all this, okay?
Because my job is not to be an apologist here for Trump.
I'm very, very upset.
dan friesen
Why don't you think about how stressed out he is.
Come on, man.
jordan holmes
I mean, I there should be, I think, one of the things that would make communication between all people easier is if we had a visible meter of, like, when it's going to cut it.
You know, like, oh, that's going to cut it, his bullshit.
But this, this is not going to cut it, buddy.
The meter's high.
Everyone's meter's too high.
You're going to have to find something to cut it, because this is too, this is not going to do it.
dan friesen
Ironically, the only thing that probably could cut it is nothing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, they can.
Yes.
dan friesen
Just have Owen go home, yeah.
It doesn't really feel like there's anything short of being like, Fuck it, I've put up with this too long.
Trump bought me off.
And yeah, like having a Bullworth ass moment or something like that.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's the only thing that really feels like it would cut it at this point.
Yeah.
Trying to deepen the conspiracy and come up with an explanation and gilting everyone about how stressed Trump must be because he got shot at a year ago.
No way, dude.
jordan holmes
No.
Jimmy Fallon and break character, my man.
Let's do it.
dan friesen
It's weak.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So anyway, Trump, you know, he kicked Epstein out of Mar a Lago.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Now we recently, after this episode.
We have got more information about Trump's feelings about that, which are not good.
But Alex doesn't know that at this point.
jordan holmes
That's true.
alex jones
And so Trump was in New York Social Ike, call me Social Ike.
He knew Epstein.
I've done deep research on him.
Never any connection to any of the crimes he committed.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
alex jones
Trump actually threw him out of Mar a Lago 15 plus years ago.
One of the first people to criticize him.
I'm sure he said nice things about him before because you're in the newspapers all the time.
Trump said a lot of nice stuff about me.
dan friesen
So dude.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
Don't say that.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
Yeah sure Trump said nice things about Epstein, but he said nice things about me.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's a lying piece of shit.
What does that mean?
When could you ever trust anything he says?
dan friesen
Well, there's that element of it.
And then there's also the element where Alex is putting him himself into a comparable position with Epstein, and that's not good.
jordan holmes
Well, he says nice things about people who are evil, and then he says nice things about people who are me, and I can see that those two are very different.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Even though they're the only two in the same sentence.
dan friesen
This is a, this, like, in a season of unforced errors, everyone is committing in Trump's world, that's another one.
jordan holmes
That one's as close to the Hitler Trump one.
That one's pretty obvious.
dan friesen
So look, even though Trump's cool.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And very stressed.
unidentified
Super cool.
dan friesen
He was shot out a year ago, and we should all be very nice.
Trauma's trauma.
There's still the question of the Patel and Bonjino and Pam Bondi, like their flip flop.
and it just doesn't make sense.
alex jones
We recently get told there is no human trafficking.
There is no blackmail.
There is, he killed himself just to go to sleep.
And this is after we see Bondi, as you already know, and many others saying, no, no, no, we got these 14 terabytes.
The Democrats were controlling them in New York at the FBI.
They wouldn't give it to us.
We went and got it.
It's all those horrible kids being raped.
It's all this terrible stuff, hundreds of new victims with Epstein.
She's very specific.
And then all of a sudden, Bongino and Patel come out a few months going foxing like during the headlights going no no you know it's it's all open and shut there's nothing there the case is closed and butler's closed too people go man that's terrible then they go on a tour and patel goes on rogan and says the same stuff a month later a bunch of other shows and we're just like if you guys think you can't prosecute this and want to move on from it because it's got us intelligence israeli dollars involved i'm not endorsing that but i can at least understand the logic from your perspective of it I said
back then a few months ago, I said, shut up then.
This is a self-inflicted wound.
The way you are just absolutely, fully, and completely...
dan friesen
I think that Alex can't even quite grasp what he's saying.
Like, he's essentially saying, if stopping a giant child trafficking ring is too inconvenient for the deep state, then you should just let it go.
But they need to do it quietly.
They need to do it.
I could understand you not wanting to disrupt the deep state, you know, because it's it would be a mess.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I understand that.
But just shut up.
jordan holmes
It is, it's interesting to me when unreasonable people feel like what they're doing is saying what reasonable people would say.
You know, like that idea of, well, if this isn true, then you should shut up without realizing what that admits about everything else.
You know, like, if you're aware that a way for them to get away with this that you want them to have is being quiet about it, then we have to go back and relitigate everything, man.
Yeah, everything.
dan friesen
Well, I think it's an inherent problem that comes when your world is demons and angels, black and white, absolute battle between good and evil.
And then you have to try and equivocate a little bit and do like, well, you take the wins and losses in politics.
You can't, you can't, you can't play both games.
Because one side is the devil.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
You've got either we have to fight for God or I don't really have to do anything because God's in charge, my man.
That's what you get.
That's why you choose that life.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And it's it's just it's just not good.
unidentified
No good.
dan friesen
So I think that Alex doesn't want to talk about this Trump post.
Yeah.
I think he's kind of like he knows he has to.
Sure.
But he doesn't want to.
alex jones
You know, now you've seen Trump with his truth social last night and here on X saying, you know, hey, look at all the great stuff we've done.
The boys are fighting with Pam, but I back Pam.
dan friesen
We all need to get some texts.
alex jones
Some of my so-called friends are bringing this up.
You know I'm good.
Just trust me and move on.
unidentified
Trump is not stupid.
alex jones
I don't believe he's involved with Epstein and criminal.
These files aren't just a list of Johns doing this evil stuff.
It's all his business stuff.
And so Trump had said back in October with Lex Friedman, Well, I'll release JFK and 9-11 and RFK and all that and MMOK, but maybe not the Epstein because that might hurt innocent people.
How does it hurt innocent people if innocent people went to the island?
I mean, Disney Cruises went there.
How does it hurt innocent people?
if you're not in the investigation of criminal error.
But you see, it's a bunch of powerful business leaders and people, a bunch of them who are guilty, and they're telling Trump this will bring down the stock market, this will crash the economy, this happens.
And I said that last Monday, and I've been proven right.
And now I floated that to service, that's what it is.
And I'm not defending that.
I'm just simply laying out the thought process.
People keep taking clips of me out of context.
When I'm wargaming this and doubles advocating it and saying, oh, look, Jones is worth it.
No, I'm not.
I'm here exposing it all.
But what I do is try to get listeners and viewers who teach me a lot as well in your comments and videos, but also I teach you to actually do what real intelligence analysts do that I do as a private intelligence analyst for freedom, InfoWars.
And I go out and try to, when I don't know exactly what's happening, but I have a general understanding, to take all the historical context, current behavior, who stands to gain, kibono, how the narratives are changing, and try to give you an approximation of what's most accurate.
Like today, to have a website named InfoWars seems like that's what this all is.
They say, we're in InfoWars.
Everything's in InfoWars now.
Well, people were so unaware of this back in 97 when I registered that name that I would say it was InfoWars.
Really popularized the term, even though it was already in use in intelligence.
dan friesen
You can really tell when Alex.
Alex doesn't want to talk about an issue that he's brought up because he'll start going hard in whatever other direction his brain wanders.
This is supposed to be him talking about Trump's insane truth social post, and it's drifted away pretty quickly into grandpa's story time about how smart he was to call his website info wars.
alex jones
Yep.
dan friesen
He can't look at this head on because if he did, the only way to go is to say, You heard Trump, it's time to stop asking questions.
jordan holmes
That's it.
dan friesen
Trump is directly coming out on his social media platform and telling people who are upset about Epstein that they're getting in the way, they're fake friends, and they need to shut up.
There's no ambiguity here, no way to say that this is the globalists.
The only question is, can Trump say shit like that?
And Alex's answer on this episode seems to be yes.
He seems to be drifting in that direction, which is weird.
jordan holmes
I mean, you know, at a certain point, maybe list all your favorite ice cream flavors.
And it's ice cream, so maybe every flavor is your favorite flavor.
dan friesen
You could take a long time just on Ben and Jerry's.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
So, you know, you just start listing those things, and then by the time you're ready to really get into things, it's time for the show to end and for you to get some ice cream.
dan friesen
Second hour, Jenny's.
jordan holmes
There's a reward at the end of talking about ice cream, and that's ice cream.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So why would you talk about this truth social post?
dan friesen
I'm on vacation.
Thanks for everything.
jordan holmes
Ice cream time.
dan friesen
So, uh, look, Trump threatening the media.
unidentified
Sure.
Not good.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, for democracy or But it's no.
dan friesen
No.
Well, it's really just more a tactic thing.
jordan holmes
It's really I agree with that.
dan friesen
It's just not ideal.
You guess you wouldn't.
alex jones
The attempts by some of Trump World surrogates to reach out to talk show hosts and journalists and influencers and say, hey, your access will be cut off.
You'll never be invited to a Trump event again.
You'll never be invited to the White House.
You'll never be anything of this stuff.
You're not going to get any conservative sponsorship, no campaign contribution, ads running next cycle if you do this.
That's been going on.
That, A, is not very moral.
That's how the Democrats try to censor and control.
And then B, it's going to create a mega Strasand effect, as I said seven, eight days ago.
And that is exactly what all of this has done.
So again, I go back to the central point of it is Trump and it is his advisors.
that have gone with this narrative of them just saying forget about it move along these aren't the droids you're looking for as popular As populists, nationalists, common sense conservatives, whatever you want to call us, Christians, we are not falling to Jedi mind tricks and gaslighting.
unidentified
Oh, tiny Jedi.
alex jones
So the mind tricks don't work.
In fact, it makes everybody go, Ooh, why are you doing this?
dan friesen
Remember when a couple days ago Alex made fun of Ted Cruz appealing to his boomer audience with Star Wars references?
jordan holmes
You know, it's strange.
That's exactly what I was thinking.
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's hard not to do it anymore.
jordan holmes
It's very weird how we had the same thought about something very related.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I think that I don't know.
I've never really been involved with the world of politics.
So I don't know how it actually works.
But I would assume it's just kind of an unspoken thing that if you do things that the White House doesn't like, you might fall out of favor with them.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know if that means we're not going to advertise with you or we're not going to give you White House credentials.
I don't know how much retaliation there is, but I would assume maybe there's like a cold look you might get from the press secretary or something.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
If you do, I feel like that's just how humans interact.
jordan holmes
It's a human system.
That's how it works.
dan friesen
I think it's crazy to imagine.ine that someone would articulate these things.
jordan holmes
It's a bad idea.
dan friesen
Some Trump surrogate being like, we're going to cut your ad revenue if you don't fucking shut up about Epstein.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
Why would you say that?
jordan holmes
There's a compliant.
I think it was Terry Pratchett.
I think it was Terry Pratchett, he invented this group of people and then he had them because they didn't know how to lie.
So this group of people doesn't know how to lie and they have to have someone to interact with the outside world.
And so they call them the liar, right?
And then the liar goes and meets with all the other diplomats and they go, you make us feel not very good about our jobs, you know?
Because you're saying what you are, right?
It's kind of like that.
If you don't say it, we don't have to feel like maybe we're liars here, okay?
dan friesen
Yeah, but in this case it's like extortion.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's the problem.
dan friesen
I mean, is that a kind of lie?
Maybe.
jordan holmes
Maybe it's a little bit on the you scratch my back, I scratch your back line of meritocracy.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I don't think I don't think that it's good for a government to retaliate against reporters.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think that's okay for it to be business as usual.
Sure.
But I do think that in a real world setting, a tiny bit of it probably.
just happens like it might in an office.
jordan holmes
It's hard not to be like, hey, you know what?
That guy's an asshole.
I don't want to see him any more.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He made me feel stupid, so I think he's an asshole.
I'm not trying to end democracy.
I'm trying to end that asshole.
dan friesen
This is like an effort to end the press.
jordan holmes
This is the whole let's get rid of all of it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
This may be a baby in the bathwater situation.
dan friesen
Fucking crazy.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex has a new angle on what happened here.
jordan holmes
Great.
And I bet it's gonna work.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, look, it's gonna fly.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's gonna pass the mustard test or whatever.
jordan holmes
It's gonna cut it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Elon tweeted that thing about Trump being in the Epstein files.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And then Trump kind of overreacted.
Wow.
That's really all this is.
jordan holmes
Is that all this is?
dan friesen
It's really just an overreaction.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
alex jones
We know why this is happening.
A few months ago, Trump's director of hiring, who's got a very mysterious past himself, Gore, killed Elon's director of NASA.
dan friesen
Not literally.
alex jones
And did a bunch of other stuff because Republicans didn't want Elon there because he's killing real, real people.
jordan holmes
It's very believable now though.
alex jones
And people said, Oh screw Elon, we choose Trump like it was a 3D beauty or something.
And I said, you need to look out.
Folks messed with Elon, came after him, the Democrats, how'd that work out?
So this is a really bad rift, it's really dangerous, it's out of control.
Trump came out and said, maybe we'll use Doe to shut down his companies, the monster he created.
I said, that's very dangerous, not good.
But I said, regardless now, this Epstein thing out there in the open, how will Trump respond?
Well, Trump puts the pressure on, and he has Bongino and Patel announce the case is closed.
They start doing it a month and a half ago, two months ago, right after Elon makes those statements about I'm dropping a big bomb here.
Trump's in the investigation, basically, in the list.
Didn't say he's rape and kids.
unidentified
It said it's being suppressed as He's in there.
alex jones
And I'm like, I don't know if that's true, but let's just see.
But this is dangerous.
A lot of people have pop cards out.
Hey, this is fun.
It's like a gladiator fight.
No, it's not.
We need Trump to succeed.
We need to stop the globalists.
We need the Democrats we know are pure evil.
That's a known thing.
And so now you see this mature.
It's not really been Elon that's been progenerating it now.
It was Trump's over-response coming out.
and saying, I want that investigation case closed.
And people said, how dare me last Monday say this is from Trump, not Bondi.
People were trying to scapegoat.
And then, of course, he came out with a statement on true social that afternoon and the next day at the press conference that's not so famous.
dan friesen
If Alex believes that this is the case, then Trump ordered a giant cover up of this case because he got his feelings hurt by an Elon tweet.
If he believes that, then he's accusing Trump of possibly the clearest case of presidential abuse of power in American history.
I don't believe that Alex believes what he's saying, but if he does, then he should be calling for Trump to be executed for treason.
Like, he, why would he want, like, Elon tweeted something that's inconvenient for me, so I'm going to mobilize the Department of Justice to squash a case.
What the fuck is he even saying?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, oh, and again, it's a tweet.
dan friesen
More to the point, though, here, like, this is a completely different narrative than the one Alex has been going with since this story broke.
If Elon's tweet made Trump overreact and demand the DOJ publicly clear him of any wrongdoing with the Epstein case, then everything Alex has been saying so far has been wrong.
There wasn't a deal that was made between Trump and the globalists.
This isn't Israel and the US intelligence agencies fighting for control.
It's two creepy billionaires arguing with each other on their respective social media platforms that they own.
Like, this is stupid.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But it's incompatible.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you know, it feels like Trump is speedrunning Nero.
You know, like he's doing all this stuff really fast.
dan friesen
This asshole can't fiddle.
jordan holmes
No, no, well, I mean, he can watch things burn, though.
dan friesen
That's true, but he doesn't have the skills.
jordan holmes
I don't know if Nero was that good though.
I think a lot of people said he was good to him, but maybe behind his back they were like, The Emperor can't play.
dan friesen
Right.
We don't know that for sure.
jordan holmes
We don't know that for sure.
dan friesen
Yeah, we could litigate this all day and talk about how his, his technique.
Whether he was a good fiddler..
jordan holmes
Look, there are things to remember.
Like Nero, great fiddler, not a good emperor.
Hitler, terrible painter.
You know, it all happens.
dan friesen
Did, do you think that if the devil went down to Rome, do you think Nero would beat him in a fiddling competition?
I get that fiddle made of gold.
jordan holmes
I think the devil would take a knee and be like, hats off to you, buddy.
dan friesen
But the devil only cares about your fiddling ability.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
He doesn't care how evil you are.
jordan holmes
No, he doesn't care.
He's the, he's the evilest of them all.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I think he would spit his ass.
dan friesen
The devil would win.
jordan holmes
I think the devil would spit his ass.
The devil is really good at the fiddle.
dan friesen
Then by the transitive property.
Johnny would beat Nero.
jordan holmes
I agree.
Absolutely.
There's zero doubt in my mind Johnny would beat Nero.
dan friesen
Okay.
It's been settled.
alex jones
Yep.
dan friesen
So Alex is clearly trying to be like Trump is cool.
He just overreacted a little.
He got self conscious.
It happens to all of us.
But there's still gaslighting that's going on from the intelligence agencies.
Oh, well, I mean, who are trying to tell you like, hey, there's nothing to see here.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that does seem wrong.
dan friesen
And you can't go for that.
alex jones
So everyone has seen this.
And if we go along with the gaslighting and drink Kool-Aid, we are now aiding and abetting in the lie.
We're now aiding and abetting in this.
We're now becoming a cult.
And we are now, by extension, becoming accessories after the fact in front of God, not under law, but by saying, None of this matters, None of this ever existed, None of this ever happened.
We now, by extension, become part of that.
And that's why.
It's the hill to die on.
That's why I can't sit there and be part of this.
dan friesen
Now I'm going to continue to support the good things Trump's doing he cares about fighting the devil, but not that much.
He cares enough that he's not going to put on red makeup and carry around a pitchfork himself because that's bad optics, but he doesn't care enough to denounce the person who he helped get elected, who is by his own mythology and metrics doing the bidding of the devil.
This is pathetic because Alex cries on his show about how demons are all around him and he's in a battle between good and evil.
He does that to manipulate the audience into buying supplements.
You can't do that and say that you're still going to support the good things Trump's doing while he's complicit with the devil in covering up a worldwide child trafficking and blackmail operation.
You can't be the fire and brimstone guy and also the let's look for nuance guy.
And when you try to be both, it looks pretty dumb.
And that's what you're seeing here from Alex.
Yeah.
It's just it's clashing outfits.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's nice to have a big enough cult though where you can be like a Christmas and Easter guy, you know, like, listen, I don't go to Trump church every week, but you know, we we do it for the music on the day, you know, we do it that we have a we have a little relationship there.
You know, it's no big deal.
dan friesen
Yeah.
If like, there was deep hostility between the regular churchgoers and the Christmas and Easter churchgoers.
I think that's the inevitable direction that this has to go.
jordan holmes
There is deep hostility, but it's well below the surface.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
When the rest of us are not in the way, that's who they're going after.
The Christmas and Easter ones.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Maybe there's a boiling resentment under the surface.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
dan friesen
But this is very surface.
jordan holmes
This is very surface.
dan friesen
So Alex gets back to talking about Trump's truth social post.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And he's kicking around the tires of this thing.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
He's like, fuck, this could have worked.
Trump could have we should have just said that the Democrats destroyed all this.
This is crooked Hillary!
What the fuck?
alex jones
That's something I said, but I made a big deal about it.
So in the last week, though, I dropped the ball on this.
It's true.
The FBI, Comey, literally from 2013, was controlling the Epstein file.
They decided to go ahead and limitedly bust Epstein the year after that so that they could put pressure on all the politicians and corporate leaders that have been involved in it.
And Comey, under Obama, was going to now use that CIA file.
that they've been gathering and garnering going back.
They were making Mossad share their file, Mossad, from everything we know, Lex Wexler and...
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
MI6 is the original.
Maggadix is this, but Mossad is close second.
CIA close third of my research.
Chair.
They came in and controlled that prosecution, made it limited, but used the fact that, hey, we got the file now, which it always had, but they had to have a way to come in in court.
It's called parallel construction.
They already have the file.
It's their file.
They control it.
But when they've done something illegal through an on-blatin operation, they've now got to create a case to then investigate all the areas of it to bring in the pieces so it can be admissible in court.
Can Pendec?
All right.
You're getting the real download here, the real deal.
The download, the download.
So it is true that what they left in the Epstein case research investigation files, the videos, the documents, the interviews, the witnesses, the court cases, the depositions, all of it, is a deep state file.
Because we've always said, oh, obviously the Democrats that were the main ones on this, some Republicans were involved as well, but 90% of Democrats as usual, and the Clintons, all of them.
They're not going to leave anything in the file that's incriminating for them.
They're going to whitewash it.
Except they could leave in what they wanted in the file.
And the files are FBI agents and U.S. attorneys and people who are there to pay.
And reports, just like Crossfire Hurricane, based on the CIA-funded Steel dossier.
So when Trump said that, it's true.
And it hit me yesterday.
I went, oh my God.
I was about to go ahead and shoot a report and say, this is next level.
Oh my God.
I went, wait a minute.
unidentified
Wait a minute.
alex jones
So I haven't come to any conclusions here.
I'm giving you my thought process.
dan friesen
It's a dumb thought process.
So this is entirely incompatible with the story that Alex has been telling up to this point.
The Democrats didn't alter the Epstein documents to remove themselves and leave suspicious things about Trump in.
Pam Bondi was supposed to have raided FBI offices and located houses full of evidence.
What Alex is describing is his thought process, and as much as when he saw that post that Trump made, he realized he could have gone with that as the primary narrative and saved himself a lot of trouble.
Alex has spent a lot of time saying that folks like Bongino and Patel should have just shut up and the only reason their actions are now suspicious is because they said a bunch of crazy shit before.
He's now suffering from the same problem where he could probably pull the Democrats edited all the Epstein files thing if he just shut up earlier, but he's said too much up to this point.
It's a massive departure from where he was.
jordan holmes
I this is what I was thinking the whole time this has been going on.
I've been thinking that Larry Nichols is spinning in his grave because the obvious thing to do is be like, it's the Clintons.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
The Clintons did it.
They did all of it.
And then start screaming lock her up.
That's the obvious thing to do.
dan friesen
It's Linda Bloodworth Thomas.
jordan holmes
See, there you go.
They've had their hands in it the whole time.
dan friesen
I found an unaired script of Designing Women.
unidentified
that actually plays out exactly like what's happening on Twitter right now.
jordan holmes
That does sound true.
dan friesen
His predictive programming.
Here's my address.
jordan holmes
Man, it's just right there.
It's just right there.
That's what, that's the smart thing that Hillary did is she went away for a little while.
dan friesen
But I think that Alex, the reason he didn't do that is obviously that it wouldn't have worked.
Like, it feels like it would have worked now.
Sure.
But in the moment, there's no way you're like, we can pull this off.
This fucking Hillary.
I bet Roger would think that.
jordan holmes
I think I, I mean, I they couldn't have done it it.
It wouldn't be possible because of who these people are.
But I think if they had advanced time, advanced warning, and they had an agreement on what they were going to say, if they all just screamed Bill Clinton at the same time, I think their base would have eaten it up enough.
Yeah, you know?
dan friesen
Yeah, enough.
jordan holmes
Yeah, enough.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex was close when he saw this tweet and everything that's been happening.
He was close to being like, fuck it, I'm going to war with Trump.
jordan holmes
Hell yeah.
dan friesen
But then he realized that post on Truth Social was right.
alex jones
So I was moving into the realm of just because of a bunch of other bad stuff Trump just did that I'm just saying I'm not declaring war yet because the Democrats are so evil, but I've lost basic faith and am beyond concern and now I hate to have to move my spotlight mainly onto Trump instead of the Democrats who are trying to kill him and enslave us.
But I'll get to the new stuff that really is upsetting at a moment, but But that fact that I think I've got all the angles and I got way more than most people and I went, everybody's blowing up at Trump going, this is ridiculous.
Now, this is a deep state lie.
It's their file., whatever they decided to leave and stick in the file, like the Warren Commission, total lie about what happened with JFK's assassination.
We all know that now.
That's their file.
That's what they decided to leave in there.
And so that's really true.
dan friesen
This is sad.
Trump's truth social post didn't make Alex feel embarrassed to have ever supported Trump.
It made him realize that there was a very easy conspiracy angle to this story that he had completely ignored.
If it's not obvious, the reason that Alex completely ignored the Democrats edited the Epstein Files angle is because it's ridiculous and it wouldn't have flownown.
For one thing, it's super defensive and the audience wouldn't have gone for it.
Trump's base runs off a lot of different resentments and grievances, but Alex's end of that media space has become almost entirely dependent on Satan baiting listeners, mostly around Epstein type conspiracies.
It's too central to the mythology and Alex's reason for existing.
And if you said that the Democrats can just edit these files, then there's no possible positive conclusion left that you can promise the audience is coming.
The justice you're supposed to be advocating toward is now impossible, and you've created an information war where the information part doesn't matter.
jordan holmes
Well, we've wasted everybody's time.
Bye.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's dumb and self-defeating.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is a narrative that you don't think of because it wouldn't work, but then when you've gone down these really dumb roads that also don't work, you think of this and imagine like, fuck, it would have worked if I would have just done that from the beginning.
Some other pathway, any other pathway would have been like Yeah, it's less that this is actually a good narrative, and it's more a reflection of how it's simple compared to the over complicated version of things that Alex has saddled himself with.
Like the stuff that he's trying to pull off is so nonsensical that this is like, wow, I could explain this to a child.
jordan holmes
But see, that's the thing about it is that that's when it becomes nonsensical.
All the other stuff started off very simple too.
And you have to argue about it.
And then you go, oh, well, that doesn't make sense.
Oh, well, that doesn't make sense.
And the same way, this one would have started out great.
Look, this is out defensible.
And then someone asks a question here, well, what if, and then it all falls apart.
It has to get more and more complicated every time because it just doesn't, it's not real.
We're at the result, we're at the dividing line between is and is not.
There's no middle ground here.
It is or is it isn't.
We can't fight anymore.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex, you heard him say that he has some other complaints about Trump.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I'll just spoil that.
And it's that he's not against fluoride enough.
jordan holmes
He's too good?
dan friesen
No, he's not, he's not going to ban fluoride.
And I think that's a really bad sign that he's trying to make that something that anyone really cares about.
jordan holmes
Do you remember when Obama wore that tan suit?
dan friesen
It was a scandal.
jordan holmes
It was a scandal.
dan friesen
So, like, I just think that there is this indication that he's trying to shift the negative attention that's coming towards Trump to things like, yeah, attack him over fluoride.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
That one doesn't matter.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Let's do that.
He's never going to ban fluoride in the water.
That's never going to happen.
So let's direct our attention there.
This one sucks.
Yeah, the Epstein stuff sucks and he's vulnerable there.
Fluoride's cool.
And I think that there's a crassness to what Alex is doing.
And I think you can see it in moments like this.
alex jones
And I told you last Monday, I said, this could lose the House of Representatives because people know about Epstein.
They know about the cover up.
They know about the Clintons.
They know about Obama and Pizza Gate.
And they know about John Panesta and the kids getting delivered to the woodland cabin hot tub for his enjoyment.
And his brother promoting pedophilia openly in the Washington Post in 2007 saying, What's Big Deal?
Showing all this horrible pedophile art of kids being tortured and stuff toddlers.
I mean, you know, we know this is the deep state operating system.
And so for the cheerleaders out there that jumped on me and others last week and said Trump can do wrong, shut up, it's 50,000 trillion D-chess.
unidentified
All but these.
alex jones
At first, oh, no, no, Trump's not behind it.
Bonnie's over skis.
She's an idiot.
Then Trump's like, no, I'm behind it.
I mean, that's completely obvious.
He admits it now.
You know, behind saying, shut it down.
unidentified
So that's where we are.
dan friesen
That's where we are.
Why does he care about the house?
Like, if you're accepting any of this stuff as being like what your main priority is, right.
Why are you worried about Trump's really shitty response to this threatening elections?
That's not what Alex is supposed to be about.
He's not supposed to be an electoral politics guy.
jordan holmes
No, this isn't a team sport.
This isn't supposed to be a team sport.
This is supposed to be, well, I mean, you know, good versus evil, but good versus evil isn't your earthly.
teams.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That kind of thing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's just a strong indication of how incompatible like his behavior is with his ideology and how much he's lost his way in chasing this proximity to power or whatever it is.
And it's sad.
jordan holmes
I mean, I'm sure for a narcissist, it's the most addictive thing you could possibly have is like, look at how important I am.
The President of the United States is talking to me.
You know, that's got to be huge.
alex jones
Wow.
dan friesen
I mean, also God.
jordan holmes
Sure.
Well, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, obviously the imaginary one is there, but the is Trump really talking to Alex?
That's a whole other set of questions.
dan friesen
Roger is, and I'm sure he's making a lot of excuses for why Trump isn't.
jordan holmes
I bet he is.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I didn't make this clear earlier, but Alex isn't just staying home from work.
He's on some kind of vacation and He's sending these videos in that he's shot on his iPhone.
jordan holmes
Ridiculous.
dan friesen
He took Thursday and Friday free, and he said that he was going to be back on Monday, but Monday rolls around and Owen is hosting again.
Oh, no, and Alex might have been able to take the whole day free, but this whole Epstein mess just keeps getting worse.
In the last hour of the show, Alex pops up for a special report, and I think that's some grim stuff.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
All right, I'm doing what I have to do.
My integrity's king.
We're eight, nine days into this whole Epstein attempted gaslighting by the DOJ cover up exploding.
It endangers the entire Trump administration and by extension America and Western civilization and by extension the entire world.
I want Trump to succeed desperately.
I support 95% of what Trump's doing.
I think he's a great man.
If you want research, he's not connected to Epstein, any illegal activities.
But all the 180s and all the flip-floping that we've seen has blown this into a new level of Strasand effect.
Now yesterday, it came out in the corporate press that Ghislaine Maxwell in federal prison for human trafficking, Ebstein's accomplice, an homicide operative, MI6 as well, that she's ready to release the list.
And she's brought her case to Supreme Court and all the rest of this.
Number one, I don't believe anything that comes out of her mouth.
She is on record a human trafficker.
And you don't take somebody that's in prison and then take what they have to say later.
So, yeah, I'm defending Trump right now.
Huh.
But you look at this headline, the deep state is attempting to blackmail Trump.
It doesn't mean they've got something, but...
They took out whatever they wanted and added whatever they wanted into it.
So that's true.
So a bunch of people are pissed off on me on one side saying, look, you're defending Trump when he said on three social two days ago that they've had the file just like Russia gets everything, they falsify stuff, you can't believe it.
That's a real issue.
They could have done that.
I don't know they did that.
I'm simply wargaming every angle of this.
dan friesen
I'm just talking shit.
jordan holmes
There's only one angle that you're not wargaming though.
And that one's fairly glaring because that wargame is about as simple as it gets.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's called Declaring War.
dan friesen
So on July 14, it was reported that Ghislaine Maxwell had filed an appeal to the Supreme Court to get her conviction overturned, and she was trying to put feelers out to the DOJ looking to talk shop.
This immediately got people worried because when she went to jail, Trump said he wished her well, which was strange.
Add to that Trump's propensity to pardon people who do him favors, and you could easily see a pretty messy storm brewing.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, at least she wasn't moved to a lesser security area.
dan friesen
That hasn't happened yet.
Alex doesn't know that yet.
She hasn't met multiple times with the DOJ.
jordan holmes
No, I mean, this is listen.
Listen, it's probably fine.
It's probably fine.
dan friesen
What's fascinating about Alex's take on this story is that he's trying to discredit Maxwell in advance of the possibility that she would say something bad about Trump.
He says you can't trust her because he thinks the deep state is trying to offer her a deal to attack Trump, whereas the reality seems much more likely that she could get a pardon from Trump by exonerating Trump.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Everyone has seen what happened with Roger and the january 6 crowd, like this isn't hard to understand as a game.
jordan holmes
Oh, I mean, you know, just because you've done something multiple times and it's worked every time doesn't mean you think it's a smart idea to keep doing it.
dan friesen
Nah.
The overwhelming sense you get from Alex here on this report that he's doing is that his audience is not into what he did on Sunday, trying to carry water for Trump's narrative that the Democrats edited the documents.
This is a Russia hoax all over again.
jordan holmes
Oh man.
dan friesen
Alex floated that, no one's buying it, and now he's trying to walk it back doing the I was just war gaming act.
It's very sad, and I think the sort of whiplash that you get from these two days is crazy.
jordan holmes
What amazes me is that I haven't seen them pay attention to anything for this long, maybe in my entire life.
All these people are continuing to pay attention to the same thing.
They have to.
They have to, which is, which is amazing because I kind of never believed they would have to.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, like I never really thought we would get to a point where they would have to, like, look into a mirror.
So this is wild, man.
dan friesen
Yeah, but from my experience, I think that people have, like Alex has paid attention to things for longer earlier in his career.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Like, you know, we watched the Boston bombing coverage.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And stuff, and that went on pretty continuously.
You know, there are instances of that, but a lot of that is before social media took over everything and his brain.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like it's such an anomaly now that something has like, uh, like traction.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like a sticking thing that he just can't get past.
Yeah.
And I think, I think you're right that the reason is because the glaring one thing he won't entertain.
Yeah.
Is that, like it's so obvious that there's just one conclusion that's unacceptable.
jordan holmes
Right.
Right.
Because if you weren't the guy that you're saying that you are, right?
Then you could at least entertain the possibility.
Like, look, Obama fucked a child.
Oh no.
What would we do?
We would say go to prison forever, fuck you.
That would be easy.
It would be easy.
But he can't say it.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Can't do it.
dan friesen
He's a good man.
He's a good man.
Because God told him that.
And if Trump isn't, then God didn't tell him that.
Or Alex is lying about what God told him, or God's lying to Alex, and that's a mess.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it does feel like this is one thread upon which the entire world will collapse.
dan friesen
It's, you know, like Loki, that show with the tree and shit.
You know, I've seen pictures of him.
jordan holmes
It's the show with the tree and shit, yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex is not, he's not going to do much much on this episode.
He's just filming a little report.
He's seen Benny Johnson and he's seen Glenn Beck and they're talking some shit and he likes some of the shit they're talking.
Glenn Beck is like, hey man, we're going to lose our souls if we go along with this shit.
jordan holmes
That's how it works.
dan friesen
So Alex is like, I like what Beck is doing here.
alex jones
And then what Glenn Beck said, he said, listen, we can't lose our soul over this.
Yeah, we get Trump's doing a lot of good, but we know this is all there.
We know that there was blackmail.
We know that there were intelligence agencies.
We know this video of him from around the corner doesn't show that he didn't kill himself.
We know this, so you're insulting our intelligence.
It didn't apply when child porn released as Bonnie and others have done.
It's just totally outrageous.
So that's where I am on this right now.
And I'll play the Bec clip or post a Bec clip here as well.
But then you've got Charlie Kirk, who I think is a great guy.
He's done so much to get Republican voters on.
I love him.
He's like, I trust Trump.
I trust the administration.
I'm not asking any more questions.
And I'm not talking about EPSI anymore.
Well, that's the message I reported last week.
The call serif and I got reports myself from people.
But he also had his reports and some public reports of major talk show hosts, influencers getting calls saying your access is going to be cut off of the White House., Susie Wild stuff, if you don't stop, and the FBI calls people.
Well, that's a cover up.
So we don't want to be aiding the Democrats here, but we're not a cult like Democrats that go along with corruption.
dan friesen
Yeah, that would be nice.
Charlie Kirk has been threatened by the government to shut up, and he's going along with it.
That's weird.
You also might notice that Alex a couple of days earlier had talked about people who were saying that Trump said that there's nothing here, we have to move along.
Yeah.
They were agents of Israel and Mossad.
They worked for Netanyahu and all this stuff because they were Mark Levine and Ben Shapiro.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
Charlie Kirk is now doing the exact same thing.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And that's not the story for him.
And there's a reason.
jordan holmes
Hmm, I don't understand.
What could be the difference?
dan friesen
There's, yeah.
jordan holmes
Strange.
dan friesen
Anyway, I think that I think that Alex is in a place where he's like, This, this shit, this fucking shit.
I can't do this.
The audience was not happy about me trying to smooth over on Sunday.
And fuck, I think we might have to declare war.
It might, it might just be happening.
I mean, if he pardons Maxwell, what the fuck are we doing?
jordan holmes
The only way to prove you're not in a cult is to leave.
dan friesen
True.
jordan holmes
That's the only there's only one way.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
So, yep.
There you go.
dan friesen
And sometimes that what doesn't even prove it.
jordan holmes
It doesn't always It doesn't always help.
Yeah.
dan friesen
But yeah, anyway, the jury is out on Trump.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you'll never know.
alex jones
So I'm going to believe in Trump and the jury is out right now.
But this is a fiasco of fiascos.
So no, I'm not going to shut up.
I'm not going to stop asking questions.
And I wish Trump would stop telling people to stop asking questions.
unidentified
Do you know how the truth works?
alex jones
And I hate giving you advice to cover something up.
I don't even want to do that.
But it's like, what are you doing?
unidentified
I said to you, gosh.
alex jones
I They say who the gods would destroy they first make mad.
And as our founders said, we can never be overtaken from outsiders, we have to destroy ourselves from within.
And I know the Democrats are very able, and I just need Trump not to behave like he is.
That's my report.
dan friesen
Good report.
Not good.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
This is a man who is, like, he's so clearly like, you guys are not doing what we need to play this game.
You're not doing your role, Trump.
unidentified
Fuck.
dan friesen
Trump, fuck, come on, man.
jordan holmes
I mean, let's let's again, this makes sense to all of them within their structure, right?
But in the real world, right?
We are watching a man with all the bombs get into a slap fight with a man with all the money and that's it.
dan friesen
You mean Trump and Musk?
jordan holmes
Yeah, we're not we're not watching like a a conflict play out.
We're not watching an ideological battle.
We're not watching a physical conflict.
We're not watching anything but two giant babies whine at each other and then we have to pick up all the pieces and in the process of doing that., these people have revealed insane things to the rest of us.
dan friesen
Yeah, and those two giant rich babies have, you know, accumulated power and influence by promising people various things.
Trump promising a white nationalist utopia, getting all your jobs back and all this shit, and Musk a techno utopia of, you know, also white nationalists.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But with an on-off switch.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, with a nice little twist to it.
Yeah.
dan friesen
LED lights in your head and stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah, a little sci-fi twist on it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, like, they've both done this, and people have fallen for it..
And we've ended up in a position now where we're trying to intellectualize it so much.
Yeah.
Because otherwise we have to admit that a large portion of the population just will go along with that.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that's sad.
That's gross.
jordan holmes
Well, America's a con.
unidentified
Hey.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, no, I don't.
dan friesen
So, um, Alex, he's in a position where this has been a fucking mess.
Yeah.
You know, there is obviously the FBI memo comes out.
There's the attempt to deal with it, Trump made a deal, blah, blah, blah.
Things get a bit more anti-Semitic, we blame Israel, I don't know, maybe deep state?
Deeper state.
jordan holmes
No, no, don't you get it?
It's cool.
Now Trump is blackmailing heads of state with their pedophile material.
He's the good guy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
What would you do?
jordan holmes
What would you do?
dan friesen
So there's just been a all over the place attempt to war game in heavy quotes, sir.
An explanation for how Trump can still be good and these things be happening.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
When he's there on that Monday, when he's putting in this special report.
It really does feel a little bit like I'm done.
Fuck this.
Because he says, I have to do what I have to do.
jordan holmes
You have to do what you have to do is usually a not good statement.
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's supporting Glenn Beck coming out with a message like, Yes, I like Trump deporting people, but we are going to lose our mortal soul.
Right.
If we continue to support him when he's very obviously working with the devil.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's impossible to say otherwise.
dan friesen
So then Alex comes back on the 15th.
jordan holmes
Puked and rallied?
dan friesen
You bet.
He saw something on Twitter and hope springs eternal.
alex jones
Okay, so much to he hit.
We have some really good news.
Yesterday night I saw the Benny Johnson interview with Laura Trump, who's one of the smartest people in the administration and the head of the RNC.
And she said, no, we're looking to appoint a special counselor, Or she said the feds are looking to and Trump wants to reopen it.
He understands the public's concerns.
People said, wow, could this be true?
Of course it's true.
She's like the mouthpiece of Trump.
And so this morning I made a few phone calls and they said, yes, the decision has basically been made.
But it's being developed right now.
But look for a special counsel to be appointed as early as sometime this week.
So that was like a million pounds weight off my back last night, because I knew Laura Trump's not full of crap.
dan friesen
We don't spend enough time discussing how nakedly corrupt it is that Laura Trump is the head of the RNC.
jordan holmes
What are we going to do?
dan friesen
It's low on the list, but it's pretty brazen.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Laura Trump has come out, I guess, and said that there's going to be a special counsel appointed by Trump to look into Epstein stuff, and not a moment too soon.
Shit was getting hot in the kitchen for the Trump media, and this is exactly what they need to take the edge off.
Alex is saying a hundred pounds weight is off his chest.
jordan holmes
Independent investigation.
dan friesen
Great.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
We can spin all kinds of yarns about this.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
It will take years..
jordan holmes
Does it matter if it's actually independent?
No.
Because by the time you can prove it, we'll be way gone.
dan friesen
And if there's like an independent investigation that's going on, someone's going to tell Trump to shut up.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
One of these lawyers in the White House is going to be like, They'll finally get involved.
Yeah.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
Unfortunately, two days after this, the White House press secretary was asked if Trump was going to do this.
Oh.
And she said, quote, The President would not recommend a special counsel in the Epstein case.
Huh.
That's how he feels.
So I guess Alex's sources were all wrong or fake.
And it's really sad to see him get his hopes up like this.
It's exactly what he needs.
And he's just like, gobble, gobble, gobble, gobble.
jordan holmes
I'll take it.
I don't know what their internal like, here's what I think, okay?
You know how like publications have a style guide, you know?
Like if you work for the Times, you're going to have to write like this.
This is what you kind of sound like because the Times sounds like this, right?
I don't know what the time for lying is.
What are the style guidelines for lying?
Because sometimes it feels like they're fine with just lying straight to your face.
And then sometimes it's like you could have said Trump is thinking about it and then move on.
dan friesen
You mean like the press secretary.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Like why is she saying Trump's not into this?
jordan holmes
Sometimes you are very clear.ly lying with a smile on your face, like, ah, we're probably not going to do anything bad.
Like, you're lying.
So, but why not choose this time to be like, oh, he's thinking really hard about it.
And I think he's going to pull the trigger some time, you know?
dan friesen
I would imagine, you know, it's a little bit of an art.
And I think that you probably intuit a bunch of it off of what Trump is saying.
jordan holmes
Right.
Which is the wrong thing.
dan friesen
If she's saying that in response to a question, then he's probably like, No fucking way, man.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
So privately, he's probably pretty clear about, like, this is not going to happen.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'm totally against this.
Yeah.
And she's delivering like a watered down version.
jordan holmes
Right.
Just lie.
dan friesen
Maybe Trump wanted her to say that though.
jordan holmes
Which is another crazy thing about these people.
Insane.
Insane.
dan friesen
Maybe, maybe.
Who knows?
I mean, his mind might think, like, if I say it's possible, and then I don't deliver on that, right.
That's going to be worse than me just saying, No, we're not doing this.
jordan holmes
You're going day by day, buddy.
Anything that gets you tomorrow, you know?
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
unidentified
Whoo.
dan friesen
So anyway, yeah.
Pressure's off.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's good to know that this will probably go away.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Totally cool.
I think on the fifteenth, we're fin fine.
jordan holmes
I'm glad that we're past it.
I'm glad that we're past it.
It's like a dark storm, you know?
I'm glad that we're past it.
We can clear skies ahead.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And now that the sun has come up, the morning has broken.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex can sit and reflect about how, like, you know what?
He just overreacted to Elon's tweet.
I think that's going to work.
I think we'll stick with that.
jordan holmes
There you go.
dan friesen
That's really all this was.
alex jones
Yeah.
We know from the different criminal indictments and investigations and lawsuits basically what's in there and who's involved and there's no Trump.
So why is he doing that?
Well, because Elon came out and said he'd been told by people that Trump was somehow implicated.
unidentified
Thank you.
alex jones
Now, is that manipulation by people giving Elon bad information?
Or is Elon super sophisticated and set a trap for Trump?
I'm not saying that, I'm speculating, I don't believe that.
Regardless, you could see this being teed up, and indeed it was, but you've got the King of England wanting it shut down, you've got all these other world leaders wanting it shut down.
Trump could kill it and then get a lot of political cache with those groups.
That's the type of advice that Susie Wiles, the White House Chief of Staff, we know, has been giving Trump.
And I'm not trying to villainize her.
That's very avant, you know, that's the trendy thing to do, very avant guard.
No, I'm sorry?
It is Suzy Wiles, because she's a big politico that has a foot in the Democratic Party and a foot in the Republican Party.
dan friesen
So avant guard.
Yeah, so we're going to blame Suzy Wiles for this one.
jordan holmes
I think he's just I think sometimes you got a bucket of things that you want to say, and sometimes you just pull out the wrong one, but then you've got avant guard, so you have to stick with it.
Just fine, it's avant guard.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Very expressionistic to blame Suzy Wiles.
jordan holmes
It's very interpretive dance.
dan friesen
So we can see one piece here that Alex definitely wants to keep of the stories he stumbled upon, and that is that Trump got hurt, his feelings got hurt by Elon's tweet, so he squashed the Epstein investigation to protect himself, and now everything is unraveling because Trump listened to bad advice.
He wasn't covering up his involvement with Epstein in any crimes or anything.
He just wanted to get the stink of Elon's tweet off him, you know?
It's understandable, it's human.
jordan holmes
Here's the thing, here's the thing about this that really fucking bothers me, right?
Because we all know that political leaders on some form or function are going to do evil things, like throwing a bombb at someone is evil.
You can't do that.
We allow that kind of shit to happen.
Right?
And this is horribly fucked up.
To me, as far as a leader of a government is concerned, I would rather have an evil, like, monster leader than one who suddenly does things because his feelings are hurt.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Right?
Yeah.
Like I would want it like, okay, you're evil, but at least I know you know what you're doing.
dan friesen
Sure.
And I know that this is a really awful thing and a lot of times geopolitical conflicts can be abstracted out to, it's in our national interest to do X, Y, Z. There you go.
And monstrous things get slid under the rug and people, you know, it's not so monstrous because what could happen is even more monstrous.
jordan holmes
Yeah, right.
The whole thing.
dan friesen
And there really is no version of that for, like, my petty feelings were hurt.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
We are now like in the thrall of this person's emotions.
Yeah.
As opposed to what we could intellectualize as, like, national interest.
jordan holmes
Hundreds of millions of lives depend on this in some way.
Whether it be improving or debris, you know, like making them work any number of different things.
This is literally a guy's feelings are hurt, so he's going to fuck up everybody.
dan friesen
Yeah, and maybe I also think that, you know, while we're on the subject, maybe the idea of those things being swept under the rug for national interest, maybe that's something that deserves to be reevaluated.
Of course.
But it is still different.
jordan holmes
I want to evaluate adult things.
I want to evaluate adult things so bad, but we've got a baby in the way.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So I thought it was very interesting what Alex is up to here because he's typically been pretty positive about.
about Suzy Wiles, but the more overtly Nazi side of the right wing media really hates her.
Nick Fuentes called her anti white scum after she said, For every Karen we lose, we're going to win a Jamal and an Enrique.
She was a central target of Nick's Groiper war last September, partly because she's been supportive of the Israeli government and is alleged to have helped Netanyahu's 2020 campaign.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
I'm not sure where Nick stands on the issue of her dad being the legendary sports broadcaster Pat Summerall.
But it's an interesting piece of trivia.
jordan holmes
That is an interesting piece of trivia.
dan friesen
Turning on Susie Wilds is a subtle but telling signal about where Alex's winds are blowing And who he's kind of buddying up to.
So when he says that it's avant garde, it's obviously a stupid use of a word.
But what he means is like the Nazi kids are on this tip.
This is what the cool kids are doing like Nick.
And it's avant garde to be anti Susie Wild.
jordan holmes
I think growing up, if because I didn't know much, because I didn't know much about the man or his life, if someone had said like, Oh, John Madden should be president, he'd be better than most of the presidents we've ever had.
I would be like, Come on, he's a broadcaster.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
John Madden would have been one of the best presidents we've ever had.
Without a question in my mind, he would have been great.
dan friesen
Do you remember when you mixed up John Madden's catchphrase with Emeril Lagasse's?
jordan holmes
I do.
alex jones
Bam.
dan friesen
Tough act and tact.
So, look, Alex, he hasn't picked sides.
And that's what really makes him so great.
jordan holmes
It is.
dan friesen
And then Alex, he's talking about that, and then he starts talking about how Trump, how Trump has been, uh, kicking his own foot off.
alex jones
People go, Wait a minute, you were just attacking Trump, and now you're defending him.
What is this?
Why don't pick a side here as the investigation goes on, our own investigation, your investigation, we call balls and strikes.
dan friesen
Error.
alex jones
But it's basically what I said a week ago or over a week ago.
Because this is how these people operate.
But the answer to that is.
jordan holmes
1730.
alex jones
There's a lot of stuff in criminal investigations and other indictments that they were not able to hide.
Let them put out their report that has some fake Jane Doe thing in it or some FBI report.
And then let it all be run to ground.
And just like Russia gate, it's fake.
And then you go ahead and you indict all the big globalists that are clearly involved.
If you say, no, sir, the easiest thing is just to shut this down.
No, you've now walked into their trap.
So I'm like, Trump, it's a bear trap.
Don't walk into it two months ago.
Oh, you're getting close.
You have your surrogates out on TV, you know, saying, move along, nothing to see here.
Bonjino and Patel looking like deer in the headlights.
They've obviously been ordered by you to do this, or by Susie Wiles, stop, don't step in it.
No, no, boom, on the leg.
And now I'm like, Now listen, Trump, if you keep doubling down, it's equivalent to chewing your leg off, you'll bleed to death politically.
We can help you politically.
All of us together can get that bear clamp off your leg, bandage it up, get you to a doctor, and you're going to be all right.
And Trump's sitting there with his leg leg in a bear trap, or, sir, just be calm here, please.
Okay.
Don't start chewing on your leg, okay?
Hold on, you're chewing on your leg.
I, I, oh, that, see, that's not good.
So that's the analogy here.
dan friesen
Trump sounds like an idiot in Alex's mind.
It sounds like Alex kind of hates this guy.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's too stupid to know that he's chewing off his own leg.
Like, I think that Alex is, there's an infantilization that he has, and also like a, hey, we're the propaganda guys.
This is what we exist for.
jordan holmes
Yeah, stop it.
dan friesen
You're making our job harder.
And I just he seems mad.
jordan holmes
It's a resentment.
It feels like they know somehow this guy is magic.
He makes the things they want to happen happen, right?
But also he's a fucking idiot, so we have to make the things we want to happen happen.
The magic has to happen.
But the only way the magic can happen is if we all pretend he's not a fucking idiot, which is great.
It's great.
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's just exciting.
jordan holmes
No notes.
dan friesen
When he steps in these bear traps, and he starts chewing on his foot.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, boy, that one's tough.
That's a glare.
Like if you're holding it, if you're watching Weekend at Bernie's, Bernie's not even falling into that.
unidentified
Mm hmm.
jordan holmes
You know?
And he's dead.
dan friesen
Maybe Weekend at Bernie's too.
jordan holmes
Oh, well, he's definitely well, because he can walk.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
That's the big difference.
jordan holmes
That's the big difference.
dan friesen
Little known fact, that's the big difference between Weekend and Bernie's.
jordan holmes
There really isn't much else, honestly.
dan friesen
So look, man, bear trap.
Alex is like, I got this.
Trump's like, no, I want to chew.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then Alex is like, no, dude, come on, I got this.
And thankfully, Trump's listened and everything is all right now.
unidentified
Great.
alex jones
And now Trump's sitting there with his leg in it.
And now they're getting ready to announce a special counsel and the bear trap went, click, click.
Bear trap, you have to click, click, click, click, all these springs.
jordan holmes
Thanks for the details.
alex jones
It's going, click, click, one click.
I'm like, Does that feel better?
Now, a couple more clicks, we can get your foot out of there.
Click, click, click.
Ah, yes.
Let's avoid the enemy traps.
That's what I'm trying to do.
jordan holmes
That's the tone of voice you use with an equal.
alex jones
So we've been vindicated again.
Everything we said has come true exactly as I said it would.
And all the mainline influencers and Republican minions that Jones is a traitor, he's an enemy.
He needs to be shot down, put in jail.
You're amateurs.
And you just take established talking points and parrot them.
You have no integrity.
You don't know what you're doing.
dan friesen
Not like me, I've decided that Laura Trump talking some shit means that a special counsel investigation is open and we're out of the woods and Trump's foot is out of this trap.
jordan holmes
I like it.
I like you amateurs.
You're fucking stupid.
If you just say it, it's true.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I mean, we talk about this a bit.
that this show is largely about his feelings.
Yeah.
And you can tell this ride that he's been on.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
There's a lot of relief, but also resentment here on this fifteenth.
jordan holmes
It is, it's such a strange way of viewing the time that we live in, because it is like watching the only member of the media who truly has no ability to control these things watch the only politician who truly has no ability to control these things, and everyone around them enables them in the exact same ways.
It's, it's fascinating.
dan friesen
Yeah.
There are other people who operate.
on some kind of a my emotions are dictating stuff in right wing media.
But none of them as rich and sort of positioned as Alex.
And yeah, there's no one else who has the same vibe as Trump in that way, that like, we're all held to your moods.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And that's fascinating.
jordan holmes
And we just have to wake up and that's the day.
He's mad at people today.
So we just have to do that.
And then tomorrow we will do something else.
dan friesen
I was going to declare war on Trump, but then that trophy social post.
Social posts looked pretty good, so I'm going to run with that.
Uh oh, my audience doesn't like it.
Glenn Beck is right, we're losing our soul.
Oh wait, there's a special counsel investigation.
Everything is fine.
Trump's out of the bear trap.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
This isn't safe.
jordan holmes
This isn't good.
dan friesen
Oh man.
So anyway, Alex yells about how QAnon people are stupid.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's about time.
alex jones
X is downstream from the grassroots.
We are the opposite of Astro Turf.
We are the people in the Declaration of Independence.
We, the people.
We work in the farms and the factories and drive the eighteen wheelers.
We raise the children.
We praise God.
We fight in the military.
We are the people.
We are the plan.
And when Trump deviates from that and starts doing something that's the opposite of what he said he would do because of special interests every time manipulated because he's so busy, we're going to expose those special interests.
We're not going to trust a plan and not engage when we see Trump taking a misstep.
It's like painting your windshield black so you can't even see out of your car while you're driving.
That's the reality.
And boy, have we been proven right again.
So now a special council.
You can say, well, that'll be fraud, whatever.
The point is, it's not whoever was advising Trump to walk right into this Democrat deep state trap and say, oh, let's just move on.
You know, stop.
Oh, no, it's not Trump.
It's Pam Bondi.
Get rid of her.
She missed it.
No, it's Trump.
I told you last Monday.
And of course, you learned the next few days it was right over and over and over and over again.
Because this is what I do.
This is what my team does.
This is what my guests do.
This is what my sources do.
Do you have a phone when this morning?
dan friesen
No, you don't, Roger.
So like that at the beginning of that, I guess I didn't include in the clip the part where he specifically brings up QNON, but he's ranting.
jordan holmes
I saw the plan.
dan friesen
No, I saw the Yeah.
So I love the part there where he's like, I'm vindicated by this thing that is not true.
Laura Trump said that there's going to be a special counsel and then Trump said, nah, he's been vindicated.
This is what I do.
This is what I do full time.
jordan holmes
I say that it and maybe I'm, maybe I'm just taking a negative point of view on it, but I think I've I've you vindicated as a post script, you know what I'm saying?
Like I said this thing would happen and then it did happen, then I have been vindicated.
Not like, it will probably happen.
I've been vindicated.
dan friesen
Yeah, but someone tweeted about Laura Trump saying this thing, so that did happen.
jordan holmes
Vindicated.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
I'm vindicated.
dan friesen
Yeah, we're posting that tweet.
So vindicated.
jordan holmes
Somebody tweeted.
dan friesen
So look, Trump's had a tough time.
This has been a tough week.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But the fever has broken.
jordan holmes
Thank God.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Everything is fine now.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Trump is back to his senses.
And everyone who's saying that like he's going to stick to his guns on this and be like, hey, all of you people who care about Epstestein, I don't want you as my followers anymore.
That's fake news.
jordan holmes
That's bullshit.
alex jones
And they're reporting MAGA starts moving on from Epstein drama as Trump digs in.
That's old news from yesterday.
That's not true.
The Democrats hope Trump quote moves on with the cover up because it will be so devastating.
As Steve Bannon said, he could lose up to forty seats in the House in the midterms.
And you see Laura Ingram and Tucker Carlson at TPUSA and turning point events and.
They say, how many of you want Trump to not release the Epstein information?
Boom, none of us.
No, no.
How many of you want him to release it?
unidentified
Yeah, just people.
alex jones
Want the truth.
dan friesen
Yeah, so, hey, everything's good.
Everything's good now.
We're cool.
Anyone who says that Trump is, you know, hours away from tweeting that his followers who care about Epstein are losers.
Yeah.
And should shut up.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And go support someone else.
They're they're liars and they don't want know what they're talking about because Alex knows everything.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he's seen crowds cheer and boo.
So he knows.
I mean, he's seen a tweet about Laura Trump suggesting that there's going to be a special counsel.
So everything is fine.
jordan holmes
There are worse polling methods than everybody wants this and nobody wants not this.
dan friesen
That's true.
Although it's clearly not indicative of what Trump is going to do.
jordan holmes
No, that does seem to be a problem with democracy.
So he's very non-representative.
dan friesen
Thank God though.
That everything is fine.
jordan holmes
Boy.
dan friesen
Rime and reason have returned.
Alex has proven right once again.
Everything is cool.
jordan holmes
Moved on.
alex jones
But going back to what you just saw from Trump a year ago on Epstein, on Lex Friedman's show and on that Fox program, where on national news they put out the clip, I'll release it.
On the internet, on Fox Nation, they put out the full clip where he says, except I won't release it all.
There's a lot of innocent people been mixed in by the intelligence agencies.
That's how they do it.
Now he put out a true social Sunday saying Brennan and Clapper were in control of this.
People go, Oh my God, it's even bigger cover up.
Now he claims the files from them.
It is.
They were in control of it.
They're not going to leave the bad stuff about them there.
People go, well, I'm confused.
You know, you're saying Trump made a bad decision covering this up, and now you're admitting it's a fraud.
Well, yeah, you don't cover up the fraud because then that makes you a part of it.
You go to war with it.
And Trump now gets that, so just watch, I'll be right again.
This is really good news.
And of course, liberal media is like, Jones was against Trump on this, but now he's spinning it, wanting to believe something good.
No, I've experienced the Democrats falsifying files on me over and over again.
In Congress, you name it.
They're famous for it.
My goodness.
Do you not remember all this?
jordan holmes
Famous by whom?
alex jones
I just report the facts that we know are the most accurate.
As we get more information, we'll add to it, but in general, we're pretty much always right.
Now, we're going to go to break.
These just came in to the Arkansas facility, and they're engraved there with the Infowars and the Alex Jones on them.
This is a new limited edition dagger.
dan friesen
He's got a dagger.
jordan holmes
He's got a dagger.
dan friesen
New Infowars dagger, and it's good for stabbing.
jordan holmes
Man, a dagger is such a great thing to have in this exact moment, perhaps in the IDs of a month.
dan friesen
Yeah, they might they might end up somewhere.
unidentified
Those daggers.
dan friesen
Someone's back.
Yeah, I think that is a great product.
Hey, I mean When he went to an ad, I was like, Of course he's going to an ad.
Yeah.
But then I wasn't prepared for We got daggers.
jordan holmes
We got daggers, baby.
Daggers are in stock.
dan friesen
So that's cool.
That's really, that's definitely cool.
And I'm glad that he's so confident that he will be proven right and that everything is totally fine now.
jordan holmes
You know, sometimes, sometimes I feel crazy because I don't understand what these people want.
I have no idea.
dan friesen
They'll They want to sell daggers.
jordan holmes
You know, no.
No, well, I mean the conservatives who Alex is talking to and the people who are being gaslit in this way, like all of us, but they get stuff and they're fine with it, right?
But in this one instance, I know what they want and the other people don't.
They want some heads.
That's what they want.
They want some heads.
It doesn't matter if they like, give them a few heads, put them on trial.
In four years, say there was a technical out, blah, blah, blah, everyone will be fine.
It'll cost a lot of money, but these people are going to get heads.
dan friesen
That's what they want.
That's what a lot of people want.
Yeah.
Alex wants heads, or he wants to at le maintain Trump.
Right.
As a source of power, as a source of institutional power.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Because that's all he's known, everything that he's grown up with, the whole world is about that, the proximity to that.
And so Alex, I think the relief that he feels and that he's expressing is like, fuck, we found a way that it feels like we can give some heads.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And we can keep Trump in power.
I've been, he was trying to figure out what's the line, how do we walk this?
How do we promise death and not be like, w well, we have to throw Trump to him.
Right, right.
And I think that he feels like he's found that, and he hasn't.
jordan holmes
No, no, Trump has to do it.
Trump is the only one who can say, Here are the heads you've asked for, I get to keep mine.
But he's not going to because that would be admitting that he has to give them something, which he doesn't have to do.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
He's not going to have to give anyone fucking anything.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He'll give Alex Chase's head.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Part of the deal.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's exactly it.
dan friesen
Cut his head off with one of these daggers.
jordan holmes
Oh my God.
I love that.
dan friesen
So the dagger.
jordan holmes
How good is the dagger?
dan friesen
So good.
jordan holmes
I bet it's good.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I bet it's a good dagger.
dan friesen
Alex spends a bit of time talking about how he's doing it.
I'm talking about how curvy you can click it in and out of the little sheath.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
Is it one of the it's not like a it's not like an assassin's dagger like from the.
dan friesen
It's actually one of the hand.
jordan holmes
Oh, God, that's great.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's a wrist knife.
jordan holmes
Get that ring finger out of here.
dan friesen
Um, no, I, you know what, I have to tell you the god's honest truth.
I didn't watch this episode, so I don't have a visual on this guy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's fair.
dan friesen
But I, I, I love to imagine what it could be.
I think it's probably just like a Bowie knife.
jordan holmes
I see so many like Skyrim daggers.
Like, I see all kinds of stuff in my head right now.
We've got fun things going on.
dan friesen
I think you should be thinking more.
boring murder dagger.
jordan holmes
Mm.
dan friesen
Anyway, Alex is plugging this dagger.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And we have one last clip here because he's he really clearly stops himself from saying InfoWars store.
alex jones
It's great in your purse, backpacker on your side.
You can also skin a buck and run a trot line with it.
Get yours now, limited edition at theowanshownstore.com and fund the Second American Revolution worldwide.
The limited edition, Allen shows you your battle dagger.
Now available.
InfoWars.
Need your support?
dan friesen
You could not be clearer about you're about to say InfoWars store.
I say infowarstore dot com, but you remember, I don't get any money from that.
jordan holmes
That needs to be, it's an entire animated movie of his brain flying that plane and the plane going down.
Just pull it up, pull it up.
dan friesen
That pause is there's so much in it.
jordan holmes
It's an eternity.
dan friesen
Now beyond that, I want to say one thing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that Alex is a, he's a country poser.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's trying to sell this knife by saying you can use it to skin a buck and run a trot line.
But a trot line is a fishing setup that mostly involves tying knots.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He just says those two examples whenever he wants to sound like he's a hillbilly because they're from Hellank Williams junior's song A Country Boy Can Survive.
Like this is a guy who's wearing an outfit.
jordan holmes
He's a poser.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
Like it would be like me trying to say that I grew up on a farm because I sang Toby Keith at Karaoke.
This is a this is bullshit.
jordan holmes
It's it is, you know, it's just one of those like if something works, people keep doing it.
Like when you see people doing something, they're doing it because it makes sense to them, because it works over time.
Like why wouldn't you pose?
Everything he does is a pose and it's always been more.
successful than trying to be himself.
Because he's a piece of shit.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So there's more to this episode, but I thought that this would be a good breaking off point.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because Alex seems to be in good spirits.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
Generally speaking, he's a little bit pissed off that Trump's so dummy he's chewing his foot off.
Sure.
But he's he's relieved that like the weight on his chest has been taken off by this special counsel announcement.
And right around the corner is Trump tweeting get lost losers.
jordan holmes
So when the Fellowship, right, they made it to the Mines of Moria, that we got the whole speak friend of Enter thing, and then the monster's coming out and forces them, chases them inside the mind of Moria, and they're like, ah man, so good we're not being chased by that monster.
The Mines of Moria, slightly more threatening.
dan friesen
This is the act break, is what I'm saying.
Yes, this is where we think we're safe.
jordan holmes
The Balrog is coming.
dan friesen
But the Balrog and the threat that drove you into the mines are both trouble.
jordan holmes
Both trouble.
dan friesen
So we'll enjoy Alex running straight into that brick wall.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
on our next episode.
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
Indeed, we do.
It's knowledgefight dot com dot Yeah.
dan friesen
We'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I'm the mysterious professor.
alex jones
Woo!
unidentified
Yeah!
Woo!
Yeah!
Woo!
jordan holmes
And now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
jordan holmes
Well, Alex, I'm my first time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your work.
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