In this installment, Dan and Jordan witness Alex's coverage of Trump's Epstein cover-up, as he tries so hard to find an excuse for all the mess, and even harder to find another story to talk about that could distract the audience.
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that's we take that for granted you know the The internet allows things like that to happen because when I was growing up, the only person in America who the people in Czech Republic knew was like Michael Jordan and shit, you know?
And for some reason, we're just the internet's amazing.
So whereas some of the behaviors of Trump, like the Epstein file, gaslighting, whitewash firestorm.
Whereas that is extremely frustrating and extremely dangerous, at the end of the day, it doesn't matter because our global awakening, and the United States is the epicenter of that, is exponential and is unstoppable.
Unless the globalists release some super virus or have a nuclear war.
And even that, in the end, they'll be defeated because people know they're behind it.
If you spend 10 years following a false Messiah, I think you probably have no credibility when it comes to like, hey, look, our judgment's good except for this.
I've had some time to continue to research and talk to my sources about what's happening with the suppression of the Epstein case.
Not just a list of clients, the terabytes of child rape and the rest of it, and the desperate damage control spin we've seen.
And my sources in high-level U.S. intelligence in the White House and in the FBI have said, no, exactly what you said on Monday is exactly what we know it is now.
And that it is a war inside the intelligence agencies and the DOJ.
Not even so much between the Democrat Ngiosoros wing.
That's more and more on the outside and being dismantled.
Trump's really doing that.
But into that vacuum has come Israel.
Now, people are always saying Israel runs all our foreign policy in Israel.
And Israel's not been dominant in our domestic policies and has not been dominant in our global foreign policies, but has been steering the bus on the Middle East.
But in this power vacuum and this global revolution happening, particularly here in the United States, Israel and the Lekudniks are making a run at seizing control of MAGO right now.
So this is exactly the same narrative that Nick Fuentes is trying to pitch on Alex's show in the aftermath of Israel bombing Iran.
Israel and Netanyahu were supposedly trying to brand any Trump supporters who opposed the bombing as fake MAGA.
And this was a part of a plot to make Jewish conservatives like Mark Levin and Ben Shapiro the image of real MAGA.
Alex is just reappropriating the narrative now and applying it to the Epstein cover-up situation, which is shady.
But this doesn't really make any sense.
In the case of the Iran bombing, there's a clear split in teams.
One side prefers war with Iran.
The other does not.
It makes sense from a storyline perspective for Alex and Nick to say that Israel is trying to influence MAGA in order to marginalize those who are against the war with Iran and promote those who support it.
But how does this work with the Epstein cover-up?
Which side is which?
As it stands, Trump's Department of Justice has said that there's nothing to see here and everyone should just move along, which is creating a division in the right-wing base.
There are those who have said, I guess we'll just move along, like Charlie Kirk.
And then there are those who have said, there's no way we're moving on, like Patrick Bett David or Tucker Carlson.
It makes sense that people on either side of this divide might consider people on the other side to be fake MAGA, but which side is Alex saying represents Israel trying to take over MAGA?
I don't know what he's, I don't know what the point is.
That's that you've you've agreed that like we've established as fact now, or not fact, but like strong conjecture that Trump is in charge of the globalists or at least has made a deal with the globalists.
You know, I wonder if we have, you know, like Snowden released all of this horrible stuff, but it didn't take anybody down.
You know, it didn't take the government down.
It didn't take the president down.
If there is a CIA operative now who releases all the Epstein stuff and Trump is in it, is that potentially more likely to topple the government than revealing war crimes?
So, like, this is not a good way for Alex to evolve the narrative.
The whole Trump decided he wanted to blackmail the globalist thing, that was untenable, but it was a fine first effort.
This is disconcerting that after he's had time to think, the angle he's decided to go with is Nick's anti-Israel stuff instead of what would be so much more in his best interest, which is to say that Trump got a demon in him.
And I'm just going to lay out the facts here about this Epstein gaslighting cover-up whitewash that went from being a very dangerous fiasco Sunday into Monday with the DOJ memo that got leaked like a fart in church because they didn't want attention to it that the Epstein case is closed.
And then of course on Monday, the White House confirmed the DOJ.
No, that's a real memo.
And it said Epstein acted alone.
He wasn't a human trafficker.
There was no blackmail operation.
And he killed himself.
Now, already when they killed Epstein and covered this up over the last 15 years and killed him four or five years ago, it has already been a firestorm of firestorms because of the Streisand effect.
We don't know what the Streisand effect is.
Barbara Streisand built this giant mansion on the beach and she didn't want people talking about it.
And when a local reporter talked about it, she attacked him.
So then it got picked up by the international press.
It was a giant story.
And so by coming out and saying, actually, everything we told you in the past isn't true.
There aren't 14 terabytes of kids getting raped.
There aren't all these new flight logs and blackmail.
Forget about it.
Go to sleep.
It went to a whole nother level.
This is the big issue.
The general public finally understood the deep state through.
And then when Trump came out in that press conference yesterday at about 11.30, Central will play the clip again and got visibly angry and then attacked the reporter and basically said, you're standing on the graves of dead kids because they've just been talking in a free-for-all discussion about the tragedy in the Texas hill country.
I mean, that was a very unfair attack on a reporter that asked a really good question.
And so the story went from mega-massive to ultra-massive.
And so now behind the scenes, and a lot of big reporters have talked about it, I've talked to others it's happened to.
They've had the FBI call them up that's given them information in the past as a source and said you're going to be cut off if you don't stop talking about this.
All right, so let's go to a bunch of these huge clips.
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So this makes Trump seem like a horrible leader and someone Alex should see as a threat to world peace and someone who's likely to launch a nuclear war.
So I think that really building a lot of scaffolding to turn this guy into a villain.
A group with the name like Patriots for Europe is one that should make you a little suspicious.
And as it turns out, this is an international organization of extreme far-right and generally ultra-nationalist political groups founded last year by Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbach.
It's basically an effort to make an anti-internationalist EU, which is fucking dumb.
This is a group that grew out of the ashes of another group called Identity and Democracy, which included such winners as Germany's AFD and Maureen Le Pen's national rally parties.
Identity and Democracy was a group that came together in 2019 after the collapse of another group called Europe of Nations and Freedoms, which itself was created just a few years earlier.
Basically, these coalitions of extreme far-right elements get together and form a new supergroup every few years, and then it falls apart because someone decides to get a little too overtly Nazi in their messaging, and they have to come up with a new name for branding purposes.
Patriots for Europe is the current one, and we should start the clock on this name being abandoned probably by around 2028.
And like, what audience is Alex realistically going to chase after this.
When you need to make a pivot, it's not like he's going to be able to find some left-wing-leaning audience.
It's not like the rhinos are going to accept him or want any of this bullshit.
The only thing that is available is probably more extreme folks.
I've been saying this for years.
And the indications are that when forced, when the temperature rises, this is the direction Alex is going to go towards the neo-Nazi-ish wing of the right wing.
But she's convicted of human trafficking, but you'll hear Shapiro say human trafficking.
Because they put out a two-page memo and said so.
Okay.
And how do you expect us not to sit here and go, what in the world is this?
I got to tell you, I think they thought because Trump has so much support and has done such a great job overall and survived the assassination attempts on the lawfare, that when he came out and did all this, that we would just say, okay, but almost no one is buying this.
And people are being told now, other prominent talk show hosts, I'm not going to name them, though some are going public, you keep reporting on this, you're not going to have White House credentials.
You're not going to get invited to Air Force One.
You're not going to blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
The FBI is doing that.
Why would the FBI put itself in a position of total damage control?
Because Bongino and Patel and Trump were manipulated by people, telling them, shut this down, move on from this, knowing it would create a firestorm, and now the deep state will come and say, don't worry, we'll manage this, we'll control this, we'll start censoring, we can protect you.
So they maneuver them into an unmitigated Streisand effect disaster.
And then out from under a rock crawls the discredited Israel firsters, Mark Levin and Shapiro and the rest of them, to say, Alex Jones just hates America.
So this is tortured stuff, and it really makes Trump look like a total piece of shit, but it's important to understand that Alex's only goal here is to make sure that no one thinks that Trump was associated with Epstein, and is implicated by his crimes.
Alex has turned his career into an exploitative crusade against child abusers, and he likes to pretend that he was the first to cover the Epstein story.
So the entire house of cards really comes down if Alex has to face the reality that the last 10 years of his life has been dedicated to shamelessly defending Epstein's best friend.
Alex has claimed that he researched this heavily and he vetted Trump, so the idea that he could have possibly missed something so obviously disqualifying is a severe threat to Alex's credibility, around an issue that his audience is actually hysterical about.
Trump doing something self-defeating in terms of the economy, that's spinnable, because the audience really only abstractly cares about those types of issues, but this one's visceral.
Trump cannot be involved with the Epstein stuff, because if he is, then Alex is either incompetent at vetting messiahs, or he knowingly covered it up in order to sell Trump to the audience.
Because it's so important to steer people away from that conclusion, Alex has to come up with these alternative explanations that make Trump look super bad, but still maintain the game.
He's still a good guy, but he was put into an unwinnable situation by the forces of evil.
You've got to understand, they maneuvered it.
You also notice that Alex is going hard into blaming Israel here.
This is an indication of the desperation that he has to spin the story in a way that isn't damning about his own support for Trump over the years.
And seen through that lens, like, it's all, first of all, makes total sense.
And second, it's just like, okay, yeah, I didn't kill this guy because I was busy robbing a store.
So, Alex, there's a lot of people who have a lot of beliefs about Epstein being connected to intelligence agencies.
Now, I don't want to say you're wrong to believe that.
I don't want to say that it's definitely proven.
Right.
But the biggest piece of evidence that a lot of people point to is Alexander Acosta, the former Secretary of Labor that Trump appointed, who has made some comments about, or allegedly has made some comments, about how he was made to hands off, treat Epstein hands off during the 2008 prosecution.
But Alex, this is the big piece of evidence for him.
him yeah um and so he plays a clip of uh acosta that he thinks is going to be a slam dunk nail in the coffin type of thing and it's actually the opposite here's another one jeffrey epstein's sixth story played out years in plain sight here it is right there and of course rider Stone recently put out this tweet when Alexander Acosta, the U.S. attorney for South Florida, who gave Epstein a pass on sex trafficking charges, was appointed Secretary of Labor.
So it's painfully clear that Alex didn't know what was in that clip before he played it because it makes the opposite point from what he was trying to say.
Alexander Acosta was Trump's choice for labor secretary in his first term, which is a strange choice because he was the prosecutor who worked out that sweetheart deal that saved Epstein from a ton of jail time in 2008.
In 2019, a journalist named Vicki Ward published an article in the Daily Beast that cited an anonymous source who told her that Acosta had said that he was told that Epstein, quote, belonged to intelligence and that he needed to leave it alone.
Ward has stood by her anonymous source, but Acosta has also publicly refuted this in a vague way in that clip that Alex just played and in a much more direct way when he spoke with the Justice Department Office of Professional Responsibility in 2020.
It may well be the case that Epstein had some connections to intelligence, but Alexander Acosta's alleged comment doesn't do a good job of proving that.
But it's good enough for Alex, and he's very uncurious.
So he doesn't seem to even consider that it's possible that the clip that he's about to play is Acosta saying that Epstein wasn't intelligence.
Regardless of the path that Alex chooses to go down, Roger is no good for it.
If he wants to become less extreme and more like a libertarian type, Roger's way too loyal to Trump to make that pivot with him.
If he wants to lean into the anti-Semitism thing and swing with Nick Fuentes, Roger isn't going to go along with that because he knows that's a dead end.
Whatever Alex does now, he needs to put on his big boy pants and stop taking Roger's call.
There's something also really weird that Roger does bring up, and that is that he says that he reported this Acosta quote in his book, The Clinton's War on Women, which came out in 2015.
Jeffrey Epstein was charged in Manhattan with two crimes.
Count one was sex trafficking of minors, violation of 18 U.S. Code 1591, and conspiracy to commit sex trafficking of minors, violation of 18 U.S.C. Code 371.
But those grand jury testimony is sealed.
Also, the search warrants are sealed.
Pam Bondi can clear the air here by directing the U.S. attorney, the acting U.S. attorney, the interim U.S. attorney in the Southern District of Court of New York to go into federal court and ask the court to unseal those documents.
They didn't indict this guy without evidence, and the evidence has to be within those documents.
When Cash Patel and Dan Bongino tell you they don't have the evidence, they're not lying.
The evidence was destroyed by the previous administration.
They can't give you what they do not have.
But the court has this information, and they should move aggressively to ask that it be unsealed.
So Alex says that this is a great point, but I'm not sure that he realizes that this completely contradicts everything he's been saying since this story broke.
The narrative is incompatible with Alex's coverage where he's like, they made a deal and all this stuff.
But Alex can see like, oh, that could work.
Roger, you might be onto something here.
We couldn't say that Biden just destroyed all the evidence.
Why is it good to have Bongino and Battelle and Pam Bondi and now Trump going out and contradicting stuff that they said in the last few years and last few months?
If U.S. intelligence is involved, they've hidden most of the evidence and destroyed it.
And Trump wants to move on to try to save the economy and stop the Current human trafficking.
Why not just say that?
Why freak out on reporters?
Why come out and wag their fingers at people and say, you need to stop talking about this?
I mean, anybody knows that if you tell people don't look into something or don't talk about it, I mean, that it's going to have the exact opposite effects.
So great advice.
Hey, you've got, you know, him being indicted in New York.
You've got the court case.
There's the evidence there of the human trafficking.
How can Just Lane be in jail for human trafficking?
But now this new memo says that there is no human trafficking.
But don't you think the Israelis, the Brits, the Sawyer Easy, everybody else who has dirty laundry here is saying to Trump, you know, this is, we can't have this out.
This is very problematic for us.
At the same time, he's trying to negotiate a peace deal and avert World War III.
You can see that Alex desperately wants to accept Roger's spin, but there's just that sticking point that it doesn't make sense.
Why are Trump and the people around him lying and changing their stories if this is just a situation where Biden destroyed the evidence?
Roger's story doesn't deal with Trump's very suspicious response.
And Alex is like asking him to help.
Just help with that.
Cover over it.
And the answer Roger gives is essentially that Trump doesn't want to upset the establishment.
The international deep state would be severely impacted by Trump releasing this information, which he doesn't have anyway because Biden supposedly destroyed it.
So even if Biden hadn't done that, Trump couldn't just put this stuff out.
That might take down the establishment.
This highlights a big difference between Alex and Roger.
Alex is an idiot and thinks he's fighting against the establishment, but really he's just flailing around and trying to beat up immigrants.
Roger is fundamentally a huge fan of the establishment.
He just wants power within it, which he's achieved in part by tricking anti-establishment people into being his mob, which is what he does.
Democrat lawmakers tell Axios that their constituents want violence and want to elicit a response from Trump so they can play victim and have a civil war.
That's the Podesta plan.
What do you make of this?
And their no-kings thing fizzling out to a great extent.
I mean, but it appears they're still trying to get a civil war going.
I think they would be very, very unwise to test Donald J. Trump.
You notice that unlike when we had the Antifa BLM riots during his first term, and he was persuaded to let governors make decisions about how to deal with that.
As soon as you had problems in Los Angeles, he mobilized the National Guard.
He also sent in the Marines.
Those who think that they can mount an insurrection are going to see that insurrection crushed.
The first responsibility of the president of the United States is to maintain order.
That is his responsibility under the Constitution.
This president has already demonstrated that he will do that.
So those who are planning violence, they better think twice.
Donald Trump is not to be trifled with.
He will be the law and order president, and he will maintain order and protect the American people.
I think it's really important to understand how far Alex has drifted from the principles that he's supposed to care about.
He believes staunchly in states' rights, and it's always tyrannical for a president to use the National Guard without a state's governor approving it.
FEMA can't even do disaster preparation or relief work without a governor requesting it, according to Alex.
And now here you have Roger telling Alex that Trump will disregard a governor's wishes and commandeer the National Guard and even send in the military in order to quell protests.
Earlier in this episode, Alex was talking about the FBI calling journalists and threatening them to stop covering the Epstein story, which is a comical example of violating the First Amendment.
Alex thinks that if Twitter doesn't let you harass people, it's a free speech violation worthy of going to war.
But now the FBI can directly coerce the press and maybe it's not a huge deal.
Like he's gone, man.
This is nonsense.
Just after Roger leaves, this is how Alex describes the FBI's actions.
I'm going to have Kyle Serafin pop in for just 30 minutes, the FBI whistleblower, because he pointed out to me, and I also got some calls, some of the prominent influencers and talk show hosts that are getting calls from the FBI.
Hey, you might get kicked out of the White House or whatever.
If you keep reporting on this, that is the dumbest thing to do ever.
Don't start acting like the Democrats.
And whoever's giving the FBI the advice to do this, I mean, you're being set up.
I mean, you know, in terms of just like pure, let's get rid of all of the realities and let's just go with what is happening from a broad sense.
Historically speaking, it's almost never happened that an out-of-control, megalomaniacal dictator, when facing a challenge, would wind up destroying himself in the attempt to overcome that challenge and keep people from seeing it.
So any action that this megalomaniacal idiot dictator takes isn't necessarily going to actually lead to the downfall he's trying to avoid.
Now, thankfully, there's almost no examples of that throughout history.
And we know Israel is heavily involved with Epstein and the CIA.
And I'm told by very high-level sources that that's what this is, is an internal fight over that file between those two groups, U.S. intelligence and Israeli intelligence.
And I think it's a Roman clear that's what's happening.
So we'll continue to watch this as it unfolds.
But for heaven's sakes, no more press conferences saying, shut up, don't ask questions.
All you're going to get is questions out of that.
And I am really, really trying to not get this Trump administration to self-harm here.
And I think that, you know, the answer that Pam Bondi has about that minute missing is that every night the cameras reset.
Oh, there's always a minute missing, which is something that could be true, but is unacceptable in this situation.
Because also, if you want to say that it does that every night, then I guess the way you would prove that is release video of every night, that minute being missing.
Yeah.
But also, anyone could just take that minute out of other days' recordings in order to you're trapped in a way that like never should have released that.
So Alex does not get his wish of no more outbursts.
There's going to be more.
But for now, Alex is he seems to be fine to just like attack Mark Levin and Ben Shapiro and say that they're trying to run cover for Israel, trying to take over MAGA through the Epstein file or something.
It's about the methodology of how these disinformation operations work.
And you know when Ben Shapiro and Mark Levin come out from under their rocks that they're working for Benjamin Yetan Yahoo and they know exactly what they're doing and they don't want this Epstein situation looked into.
Ben Shapiro and Mark Levin haven't been hiding under rocks and just popped up now to chime in on the Epstein situation.
They both have daily radio shows that are broadcast on so many more stations than InfoWars.
Ben Shapiro runs probably the most successful right-wing media outlet at the moment, The Daily Wire, and Levin is a big player at Glenn Beck's network, The Blaze.
They're huge.
They're constantly putting stuff out.
They pump out content all the time, and they are sure to comment on pretty much every topic that riles up Twitter because their businesses, they run on the same attention economy as Alex's.
So it's kind of suspicious that Alex is saying that these two high-profile Jewish conservatives have just now come out from under their rock to do some misinformation on behalf of Israel.
I suspect that the reason Alex might have this impression is because that he doesn't necessarily see Shapiro or Levin's content regularly.
He probably doesn't follow them on Twitter, and he definitely doesn't listen to their shows.
I would guess that the only times that Shapiro or Levin pop up on his radar are when someone like Nick Fuentes is tweeting anti-Semitic shit about them, which would explain a lot of Alex's tone in this, like saying, oh, they popped up again.
No, the Nazis that you follow on Twitter are just mad at them at this point.
And like I mentioned earlier, there are people who are like Charlie Kirk who are going along with the, you know, the idea of like, well, I guess, I guess Trump said that there's nothing to see here, you know, and like, oh, weirdly, he's not the person that is being used as an example.
Yeah.
It's a very intentional, like, these are high-profile Jewish figures in the right-wing media that are being attacked because it's easier to connect this anti-Semitism that goes through Alex's right-wing world with Israel criticism.
So what exactly is Alex trying to say is a setup here?
In the case of Nixon, Alex is saying that Nixon didn't do anything, but he also told the plumbers to go get dirt on people.
So I'm not sure what the setup is here.
He seems to have, Alex is saying he did the thing that well.
The horrible reality that Alex can't allow himself or his audience to face is that the person giving the Trump administration their marching orders is Trump.
There's no one setting Trump up.
They just didn't think the conspiracy-brained audience would be all that upset when he tried to cover up their biggest conspiracy because they've gone along with everything else up to this point.
It's kind of easy to see how Trump and all those folks would think this is no big deal and that the media folks would all toe the line and go along with this.
It really feels like Alex is trying to advise Trump on how he should cover up this Epstein stuff by just shutting up and using it to blackmail Alex's enemies.
I love the part of Alex's fantasy where the globalists have to insist that Trump's Department of Justice puts out a memo saying that there's no evidence of the Epstein trafficking stuff as if the government works on a no-take-back system.
And they tried to kill Hitler in Operation Valkyrie and they failed.
It wasn't the German high command weren't Nazis.
It wasn't the German high command?
No, they knew they'd lost.
The Russians, by the way, were out producing weapons three to one.
They knew the U.S. was getting ready to invade.
And so they said, all right.
But they'd only get about half the German officers to be part of it.
They wanted a new person to lead Germany.
They thought, well, who's as popular as Hitler?
Only one person.
Rommel.
The desert fox.
And of course, right after they tried to blow Trump up in the wolf's lair with the explosive, they placed it up against the big table legs so it was deflected.
Hitler was hard to kill.
They learned that in World War I. Blew him to the wall, but he still got up and went back to work with his arm paralyzed.
Oftentimes, whenever we mix up words that sound similar or have similar meanings, or we intend to say one word and it comes out as the other word combined together.
People who never hedged their bets, people who never at any point suggested to you that they don't have data to back up the speculation, that the speculation was in and of itself the conclusion that if you speculate without evidence, that that amounts to an actual conclusion to an investigation, they're going to be very upset today because it turns out that the DOJ and the FBI have concluded that Epstein didn't have a client list and died by suicide, according to a memo detailing the findings obtained by Axios.
Now, again, does this put to bed all inquiries?
Of course not.
People can continue to speculate as much as they want.
And I think there's still open questions here regarding how did Epstein make his money?
That's a very serious open question.
The speculation for a long time was he made his money from blackmail.
But the DOJ and the FBI, again, run by people like Dan Bongino and Cash Patel and Pam Bondi are telling you.
I'm not telling you.
They're telling you people who are members of the Trump administration, people you elected and put into these positions to get you the truth on this matter, are telling you that he didn't, in fact, he was not murdered.
He did not keep a client list, and he did not blackmail powerful figures.
Anyway, that is the thing that they are saying, not I. They are saying this.
If you're willing to throw that over and claim they're lying, then I'd like to see you present your evidence that they are in fact lying because I know Dan.
Alex should really listen to these clips before he plays them because this is another example of one that doesn't say what he claims it does.
It's hard not to see that as a sign of either deception or incompetence.
And I hate to say that Ben is making a good point, but he's right in that clip.
The FBI has said that they don't have the evidence.
And it's not the FBI you can just pretend is run by the evil Democrats because Trump is in charge and he picked all of the leaders.
You're welcome to disagree with their conclusion, but Ben wants to know what your evidence is to disagree with it.
And also, speculation doesn't count as evidence.
I don't know Ben's track record on this issue, so I don't have any idea if he's consistent here with what he's always said.
And I do think that he's full of shit generally, but that clip isn't him telling everyone to stop questioning the Epstein stuff.
He's saying that you shouldn't confuse having questions with finding answers.
Basically, Ben is saying that the it's all the deep state type arguments, they're becoming implausible since Trump's guys pretty much run all of the government now.
The team you wanted is in charge, so you can take your word, their word on this that they have done the investigation, or you can decide that they're lying.
Ben seems to largely have taken their word for it, whereas Alex desperately doesn't want to do that because it's not viable for his brand.
But he's also not willing to deal with what Ben is actually saying, which is like, hey, you have a choice now.
Well, they're both wrong choices, but Ben is more or less saying the power has made its choice.
They are saying there is no evidence here.
I mean, if you want to maintain proximity to power, this is the choice that you need to make.
If you want to maintain these conspiracies, the burden of proof is now on you to argue that the FBI is lying, and that will probably drive you away from proximity to power.
USAID quietly sent thousands of viruses to the infamous Wuhan lab.
Yeah, we're all taught U.S.AID feeds starving people.
That's less than 1% of what they do.
Doesn't even stand for aid.
The U.S. Agency for International Development reportedly shipped thousands of viruses to a Chinese military-linked bio lab in Wuhan.
U.S. AIDS sent 11,000 viral samples to the Wuhan Institute of Orology over the course of a 10-year program under Obama, despite not having any formal agreement with the laboratory, according to documents obtained by the Daily Caller.
The viruses were reportedly sent from China's Yun'an province to Wuhan, the infamous epicenter of the Chinese coronavirus pandemic.
It's just slightly repackaging things we already knew in order to create some kind of exciting conspiracy headline in hopes of distracting from the Epstein story.
This goes back to a daily caller story that covers a $210 million contract USAID had with the University of California, Davis, who ran a program called Predict.
Part of the funding involved transportation of samples collected in China to the Wuhan Institute of Virology, which makes sense.
The big complaint I can see in the Daily Caller article seems to be that it wasn't a U.S.-run lab, and it should have been because it was U.S. funding.
And I guess there's a small resource allocation issue people can argue about, but it doesn't prove that this is where COVID came from.
I mean, it's grasping its straws, and this feels fucking desperate.
Alex wants it to look like they're shipping in like germs from Germany or something like that for warfare, but it's like this is the closest competent lab to where these samples are.
Somebody with a brain hate seeing this self-harm by the Trump administration, but since we talked on Monday, the consensus has formed that this is some type of backroom deal with a massage, MI6, the U.S., and it is too damaging to come out.
And so now we're supposed to just stop talking about it.
Well, then they should have just stopped talking about it instead of making it a thousand times worse.
This is turning into the mother of all Streisand effects.
You sent me some videos to go to as well.
We also have reportedly a criminal investigation now launched into Comey, Brennan, and Clapper during the firestorm.
I was told four months ago and reported it that there was criminal investigations going on by someone in the Justice Department.
And so I don't think it's a total lie that they just did it to cover up the last story, but I think they reported it to change the subject.
Yeah, well, first of all, it looks like a complete cover-up with the announcement of investigations, the fact that Fox News is going to go out there and push their piece, and you're hearing them say that they're going to investigate Comey and they're going to go after Brennan and all this kind of nonsense.
You know, unless they have a capital offense, which is basically not a realistic possibility, these are not prosecutable investigations.
Alex, you know this too.
When they want to go out there and do an investigation, they investigate you.
Period.
They don't tell you.
They don't warn you.
There's no press release.
There's no like leak it to Fox News digital so that they can go out and have a favorable headline when you're having a passion.
Anything you do only makes things more suspicious because there's only one thing that you can do to make things not be suspicious, which is not be guilty of the thing.
Well, actually, let me tell you that one you just picked up.
If you go back to the Washington Times piece, this is just as inside kind of information here.
The piece is written.
It's not as important what it says that, you know, FBI launches criminal investigation.
It's a scoop.
What's important is the source and the actual writer.
So if you'll notice the byline there, it's Carrie Pickett.
Carrie Pickett isn't, I'll call her an acquaintance of mine.
And she's the person that introduced me to Dan Bongino.
So I know she knows Dan well enough because they used to talk in the background and they connected the two of us together in the first place.
So Carrie Pickett is a soft and friendly source for the FBI to leak this information.
And again, I just told you, that information is obviously bogus because you can't go after Comey for anything that's not capital and there's no indication there's a capital crime there.
So just that's the reason why that story is relevant.
The headline is almost all of it and the byline is actually as important as anything else.
But that Mike Howell, in his own words, you know, he's an attorney.
He's been around D.C. for a long time.
He's worked in and out of government and in oversight now.
It's a useful clip if you guys want to hear people in his own words.
And so Kyle actually does have a theory about how Trump could have made this catastrophic error that somehow doesn't involve Trump wanting to cover the story up.
If you came in and I showed it this morning, hey, President Trump, by the way, we shut down the FC investigation.
There was nothing there.
And he's out there looking at World War III in Russia and Ukraine.
And he's looking at a peace deal that happens in Iran and Israel.
And he's got a million things.
He's trying to figure out whether or not he's going to have the same Federal Reserve chairman and so on.
He's got 20 things up there that are all high-level importance.
Someone tells him, we shut down the Epstein thing.
We didn't find anything there.
He goes, great, no big deal.
They didn't go, hey, sir, by the way, the people who voted for you that really wanted that executive order are going to lose their ever-loving minds if you say that an elite pedophile was able to get away with it and that we are proving that there is a second system of justice in America.
Yeah.
The rich and the elite and the powerful and the corrupt can get away with hurting babies and nobody cares.
If you told him that, he might be like, holy crap, like you better take another look at this before I go talk about it.
I don't think that's what they did.
I think they slowplayed it.
They underbriefed it.
And then he goes out there and he actually probably was surprised that people were asking about it because, you know, he's not on social media the way that guys like you and I are.
Okay, so essentially he's boiling this entire thing down to like some middle managers in the FBI were sitting around in a conference room and one guy was like, 50 bucks, Trump says anything we tell him to say.
And the other guy goes, I'll take that bet.
Let's say that Epstein didn't do it.
And they're like, no way will anybody, no way is he going to say that.
I don't believe that this excuse can work because Trump would have to be so like, you know, they talk about how Biden can't talk and he doesn't know what reality is.
Trump would have to be far beyond that to not understand how important this is to his base.
So sometimes if you think or say something like, only an idiot would do that, then that is also a retroactive statement through which you should view the rest of the things that he has done.
So if only an idiot would do that, perhaps the other things he has done were done by an idiot.
And if they were done by an idiot, perhaps I, in fact, am the idiot.
They're media, which means they're savvy, which means they know they're lying.
They know they're trying to spin, and they're being run by PR people, which is exactly what a senior FBI supervisor told me the other day.
The FBI is currently being run basically like a social media influencer camp, and they're just getting moved by the wings and the waves of the public opinion that they sent out on Excel.
Every opinion about where to go or what they did wrong and any specifics it starts with, all of these people go, oh, well, you shouldn't have said anything, which shouldn't fit within their character whatsoever.
If you're talking about aliens and walk-ins and, you know, all this stuff, you're abandoning your ability to ever really be taken seriously by institutions.
Yeah.
And Alex has come close enough to being able to present himself as like, I briefed the president and all this that like he can't let that go.
No, everybody has made so many bad decisions to lead us to this point.
All of these people agree that we should not be here and agree that they've made bad decisions and yet at the same time all agree to continue doing the same stuff.