July 8, 2025’s Knowledge Fight dissects Alex Jones’ desperate pivot after the FBI’s Epstein memo—ignoring Trump’s cover-up outburst while pushing supplements and white nationalist narratives like Nick Fuentes’ forced inclusion. Jones clings to his "shit talker armor" framework, but Fuentes’ blunt critique exposes Trump’s contradictions: ignoring Texas floods to deflect, contradicting past denials despite Epstein’s 2008 testimony implicating him. The right’s moral panic over Epstein backfires, revealing their reliance on discredited conspiracies over accountability, as real governance failures—like Texas’ flooding—go unaddressed amid performative outrage. [Automatically generated summary]
So the FBI released their Epstein memo on July 7th, and it initiated a meltdown in the right-wing media.
The propagandists and shit talkers who made their career stirring up a satanic panic to use against their political enemies had to somehow spin the news that their messianic leader, the guy who was supposed to be the only thing standing between the devil and all of us Americans, wasn't going to arrest anyone who worked with Epstein.
It was a slap in the face, but more importantly, it was very bad for business.
Idol-worshiping Trump had made them a lot of money, and this created an inescapable fork in the road.
Down one road was maintaining support for Trump, but that came at the cost of losing all credibility you may have had when it came to pretending to care about crimes against children.
Down the other road was maintaining the conspiracies that fuel the current satanic panic.
But in order to stay in that boat, you now have to think that Trump is a villain, which requires you to give up whatever connection you may feel exists between yourself and the power structure.
You may have given up the idea of ever feeling connected to power structure again if you want to go down this road because Trump was supposed to be the savior.
And it turns out he's a fraud.
How are you supposed to ever get on board with the next, oh, this is the real anti-establishment guy?
Yeah, and if your main base is massively religious, it's going to be hard for them to get over breaking at least seven of the Ten Commandments on that one guy.
So on the 7th, there was still a little hope that maybe Trump could sell out all the people he appointed to high-level positions in the Department of Justice, and maybe this could save the ship.
It was Pam Bondi and Kosh Patel who'd promised that there would be these big revelations and they did the big PR stunts.
If Trump threw them to the mob and pretended they'd acted against his direct orders, maybe the base would accept that sacrifice and everything could go back to normal.
But by the eighth, you would have to be delusional to think that there was any hope of that.
Countless figures online and in the larger right-wing media were clearly not buying the FBI's memo and were making it clear that this was a pill that they were unwilling to swallow.
Elon Musk, who had retracted his earlier accusation that Trump was in the Epstein files, decided it was safe to play that game again and started trolling more.
Sure.
There's just nowhere to go.
Trump is acting in ways that are transparently corrupt, even to his most in denial supporters.
And he's telling people who are concerned about it to shut up.
The only chance you really have as a Trump-worshiping media outlet is to give lip-service opposition to what's going on, try to get people excited about another shiny set of keys and hope things blow over.
The only other alternative is to do a reassessment from the ground up of how you could have been so wrong about this guy.
And I was the first to say yesterday, looks to me like Trump's taking control of the blackmail file that the FBI and CIA had, and that he would then use that against the deep state as they've been using it against their own system.
That's what it is.
And some people don't understand how that works because some folks aren't very smart.
It's scary how dumb some people are, but it's scary.
But I'm not defending that.
I think that's extremely dangerous and immoral, but I did wargame out why Trump had made that decision.
Well, and I said that was my speculation, but I think that was the case.
Well, now today and yesterday, Trump put out a statement praising Kash Patel and Bongino saying now they can move on and do their important work of fighting crime.
So that's Trump saying no, this is me.
Of course it comes from Trump.
I love how people want to go, oh, it's Pam Bondi.
Throw her overboard or any of this.
And I'm not trying to attack Trump.
I'm just simply going to lay out the facts here.
Okay.
And because no women, no kids.
Like, I'm like Tony Montana.
I ain't killing no women, no kids.
I'm not hurting women and kids.
And I'm not getting anywhere near defending any of this stuff.
And I get that Alex doesn't just have one story to cover, but he kind of does.
The headline for this show can't be about a planned ambush of ICE agents.
It really does need to be about the chosen God King deciding that he wants to start using blackmail to control the world.
ICE ambushes can be big news for Fox and Friends or some other outlet, but Infowars has been a religiously driven propaganda outlet that existed to promote Trump for the past almost decade.
They've exploited sensationalized conspiracies about the abuse of children to argue that Trump was the only solution to the evils in the world.
And now it looks like he is part of the evil plot all along.
Yep.
There is no other story for Alex.
His job is to clean this mess up.
And trying to pretend anyone cares about this ICE ambush on a day like this, that's an act of surrender.
I mean, not to not to put too fine a point on it, but if there's a situation, I kind of want the president and really powerful people in the situation room all together working on stuff.
Not like, we're going to get out of here and let you guys handle this one.
I got a whole different story to work on.
Honestly, we got some other stuff in the works, so I'm going to get out of here.
Go protest to an abortion clinic in Big City, and they'll show up.
And like half of them, like, they're like, big black circles around their eyes.
I mean, they're demon-possessed, folks.
And so they're cranking up.
They're getting ready.
And they are very low.
Usually meth heads as well, but they have professors above them.
That's always their control officers who are the managers.
But you don't see them on the street.
They're back behind the scenes pulling the strings with the NGOs.
Now, that said, though, they got smarter leftists that, again, are just going to go up on the parking garage or in a panel van, go out to one of these demonstrations, whether they're attacking police and all this, and they're just going to point at the crowd and spray them.
Just like when you got the guy going who was going to kill with a group, but now we don't hear who the group was, 70 lawmakers, and it was going to be blamed on Trump and me, of course.
And magically, I mean, I said the week before that happened, and then they go kill a bunch of lawmakers or illegal aliens or a black college, and such will be pre-programming.
And then magically, the laptop or the manifesto, it's because of me, of course.
I mean, it's just so predictable.
So I've kind of set the table there.
That's just some of what we've got here.
But I want to go now to the live roundtable cabinet meeting that Trump's just now kicking off.
We'll listen and watch some of this duck in and out of it, and then I'm going to hit the ground running.
The main transmission is really going to start when we go to break here in about 10, 11 minutes.
Now they're blaming one of the little towns for not putting a million dollars worth of alarm systems in.
I mean, most of these towns, there's like one gas station.
Okay.
So there's rivers and mountains.
And when you go out in these areas, people need to understand that they need to be aware of the weather.
I'm not blaming anybody.
I'm just saying, being brought up around here, and flash floods are about everywhere, particularly in the hill country west of Austin, because it's mountains and hills and scrub brush.
When a ton of water comes down, it gets concentrated and it rises.
Of all the things to go with for Alex, it could have been, it could have been easy to blame it on liberals doing something, anything, anything other than just being like, hey, you guys are weak.
If you die in a flash flood, it's because you have it coming because you're weak.
All right, ladies and gentlemen, Trump's live televised cabinet meeting is just now taking questions from the press, and Trump just went off, basically blew up at a reporter for bringing up the Epstein whitewash project we're witnessing.
And that's what it is.
And I told everybody this is going to be huge yesterday.
You couldn't come up with a plan to cover this up and have it blow up bigger.
If you're going to cover it up, you just shut up about it and say, oh, we're investigating.
But no.
No.
So I want Trump to succeed.
I've investigated this and the victims, over a dozen of them that are confirmed victims of Epstein, who fingered Bill Clinton and all of them, said, no, we never saw Trump at the island.
We never saw him at Zorro Ranch.
We never saw him in New York at the place.
And we've always known that.
And you got the fake Jane Does over and over again that would come out that were fake.
And EGE Carroll and all of it.
So I did my investigation into Trump over this back at the time I endorsed him nine years ago.
Plus.
So why then would Trump do this?
And I'll get into that in a moment.
But Trump's really gotten where he doesn't get testy with reporters.
He just makes jokes at once he doesn't like.
But the fact that he got upset here is chumming the water.
And I'm seeing the Democrats ratchet up the violence.
There needs to be blood.
Democrat lawmakers say their base is prepping for violence.
We're going to get to that coming up next hour.
So if Trump did make some deal with big elements of the deep state to stop the civil war they're trying to trigger and all the rest of it, well, it doesn't look like the Soros people and the NGOs got the message because they took their calls for violence from high to ultra high, and they are attacking and confronting and shooting at ICE people all over the country now.
They just arrested 11 anti-terrorists in North Texas who had to kill Ice Ages.
The Ice Ages took him out quickly.
They shot a cop, but he didn't die.
Can you imagine if a Trump supporters went and did that?
Man, when I saw that statement by Trump yesterday afternoon, I just, again, I'm not normally like this.
I had to go lay down in my office About 20 minutes.
Because I got a piercing headache.
Because we need Trump to succeed.
He's doing so much good.
But you can't try to control evil.
You can't decide, well, you know, for the greater good, because this would hurt America and the stock market too much.
This is just too horrible.
We can't bring this out.
And then the way it was done, which I guarantee you, making the deal with the globalists, you know, to supposedly roll over, they said, we'll just do this, which was the trap.
And of course, that's the last piece that hasn't been confirmed, but I guarantee you that's going on.
I mean, I can't believe you're asking a question on Epstein at a time like this where we're having some of the greatest success and also tragedy with what happened in Texas.
It just seems like a desecration, but you go ahead.
So Alex seems pissed that Trump's response was suspicious and annoyed that it will raise more questions.
But I thought that Alex was the question everything kind of guy.
Here's the feeling that you get from watching Alex's show at this point.
Alex seems to have a fundamental agreement with the FBI's memo that people shouldn't be questioning the Epstein stuff.
If there's actual real evidence that the DOJ has, it can't be released because it would destabilize the world and ruin Trump's economic plans.
So there needs to be a cover-up.
The problem Alex has isn't the idea of a cover-up.
It's that the cover-up is being done by the same people who promised that all of the evidence would be released.
The complaint Alex seems to have is that no one knows their roles.
Media shit talkers like himself get to rant and rave about all the certifiable evidence that's just about to come out any day now because they have no power to actually get anything released.
No one's going to drag Alex in front of a congressional committee and demand to know why he never followed through with releasing the evidence he claimed he had about a criminal case because fundamentally everyone knows that Alex's role is to talk shit.
But the people in the government, they don't have this leeway.
They do have the power to release evidence and declassify things.
If they say one thing to excite the base and then do a complete 180 on it, they don't have the built-in shit talker armor that someone like Alex does.
There's going to be follow-up questions and possibly even investigations.
Their shit talk isn't just shit talk.
It's an abuse of the justice system, which might still matter.
The line becomes even more muddied when so many of the people in the Trump administration are people who used to enjoy wearing that shit talk armor.
Dan Bongino and Kosh Patel are two top guys at the FBI, and they both have had careers built on the ability to demand things they have no ability to deliver.
Now they're in a position where there's no reason why they can't deliver on the stuff that they've demanded come out, and they're learning that they don't have the same shit talk armor that they used to have.
The government isn't the same as Twitter.
And I think this is part of Alex's frustration.
He knows his role and he plays it.
He's a shit talker, which affords him a lot of freedom to just say whatever irresponsible shit he wants.
But that liberty only exists because he doesn't have any actual power.
He sees these guys who have been given real power, and it's annoying that they don't get that the shit talking is a liability for them now.
They need to leave that to Alex and his ilk and just shut up about this stuff that they're never going to produce.
The problem isn't really the memo.
The problem is the behavior that predated the memo.
I mean, in essence, all of these people, the preferred state, the most stable state for them is to have very calm, quiet, untalked about government doing very competent stuff just fine.
And then they get to bitch about all the things that aren't happening.
Their ultimate failing, though, is that they want to get popular and rich and famous, which means they have to convince people of things that they don't want to be true, ultimately.
They need somebody who's going to be quietly competent at somewhat dismantling everything for the working class while also fucking strangers on the side.
So I think that really is the fundamental tension that Alex has is like, you motherfuckers, you're ruining everything because you all want to play every position.
And of course, here's all the Democrats saying, we need blood.
We need to get our constituents killed.
That's what Podesta said in the war games.
They're doing it.
Now, that doesn't mean they're going to be successful.
But imagine the 350-plus thousand little children that they know of that they were ordered to hand over the Border Patrol to NIH, who would then give them to NGOs with no documentation in most cases and just disappeared them.
I don't think that Alex realizes the implications this news is going to have on his narratives yet.
I don't think that he understands that if Trump made a deal with the globalists about this Epstein stuff, then Alex doesn't really get to grandstand about all these alleged missing kids and the border anymore.
At best, Trump is fine with those kids going missing since that conspiracy is supposed to be connected to the globalists trafficking children for abuse and blackmail purposes.
If Trump is dropping the ball and covering up that one aspect of this conspiracy, there's no way to credibly pretend that he's not complicit in the other branch of it.
It's moments like this that make me think Alex kind of grasps what all this means for him, but he hasn't really internalized it yet.
If we're supposed to now understand that Trump is complicit in the Epstein cover-up, then that impacts everything.
And it's just impossible that that version of Trump that Alex sold the audience for years, that person never existed.
It's not possible.
It's honestly making me confused why he wouldn't just bring back the Trump's got a demon in him thing.
Before the Epstein stuff even happened, Alex stumbled onto the perfect explanation for this situation.
But since this shit is all just being made up as he goes along, he seems unable to remember that narrative that he started building.
And I am just sick of all the arrogance of the illegal aliens and all the different permutations of them.
And I feel sorry for the people that were fleeing globalist lockdown tyranny that collapsed the third world that do want to come here and work and be good people.
But you can't sit there and put up with any of this.
This is the existential battle for the West and the future of the world.
If I understand this correctly, the defining issue of the time is not some kind of spiritual battle between good and evil.
It's not the elites running human trafficking operations to create blackmail, which guarantees their grasp on power.
It's that there's too many immigrants.
This is an embarrassing position for Alex to have, particularly on the day when Trump literally lashed out at a reporter for asking a question about Epstein.
It almost feels too obvious that this is an attempt to divert attention away from the only issue that matters onto other things that could excite the audience, like their tendency towards white nationalism.
And I know that as far as my coverage of this episode goes, we've mostly focused on Alex responding to Epstein-ish things.
Sure.
But a large amount of this episode is fairly standard immigration incitement.
Alex's headline for the episode from earlier makes total sense in this light.
This episode was supposed to be about building up these immigration-based narratives and talking about how ICE is so under attack, which is meant to soften people up for Nick's appeal to support far harsher immigration enforcement tactics.
Alex didn't know that Trump was going to have that cabinet meeting and blow up at that reporter, but now that that's happened, Alex is just barreling forward with the show that he planned on doing, which seems fishy.
It feels to me like Alex must be selling airtime to Nick, or he has some internal metrics that show that his streams get huge bumps from having Nick on, and he's willing to chase that at all costs to the point where this show looks ridiculous.
And overall, I love what he's doing on so many fronts.
But when he started having Bongino and Patel and the rest of them, the last few months started doing a 180 from, oh, yeah, we got 14 terabytes of child rape and torture.
And, you know, and, you know, all these perpetrators that were involved, we're going to get them all.
And then to see really ham-fisted spend by Pam Bonji today in the clip we're about to play after Trump snaps the reporter and gives him the laser eyes, which you don't see very often anymore.
That is only going to bring massive attention onto this.
And there are democratic hearings and all the rest of it.
And just the whopper of, oh, look, here's the video of a round the door.
You can't see Epstein's jail, but his cell.
But look, see, he killed himself.
And oh, look, the guy in Butler acted alone.
And oh, look, there was no black book.
There were no clients.
There was no black.
No, there was no human trafficking.
But Gisley Maxwell is convicted of human trafficking.
Alex doesn't actually want people to pay attention to that case or to question it all that much because he has a pretty well-established narrative that exists.
That narrative is widely accepted by his audience, but there's not really much evidence behind it.
So it's easily threatened by new revelations, which he does not want.
The status quo with the Epstein case was where Alex wanted it to stay.
It belongs in the territory of shit talkers because if it's handled by people who have real-world power and responsibility, things fall apart.
They have to deliver something.
If these people who are in the positions of like Bongino and Patel and Bondi are in, they need to deliver something or else it's very obvious that they're fucking with people.
And it's okay to fuck with people when you're a shit talker like Alex because there's no continuity.
There was a few, a couple of clips back whenever he was, you could hear it in his voice, this like slowdown, because it seemed like the spin was just instinctually coming out.
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And all that really wound up coming was like, that's not going to make people stop talking about this.
And that clip that you just showed of Trump in the cabinet meeting, it's embarrassing.
It's embarrassing.
It's shocking.
Every Trump supporter should feel humiliated at this point.
And it's like you said, I don't take any pleasure in this.
I feel a little bit vindicated about it.
I want Trump to succeed.
I want these disclosures to happen.
And what's interesting is that Trump typically is a master of these types of media spin.
He's usually very adept and very quick on his feet and the master of rhetoric.
And this is maybe the first time when there's such a disconnect between what the base is feeling and what's going to play well in the media and what he's saying.
In his mind, maybe he thought this was like a really persuasive angle to say, why are we talking about this?
And whether it's because of Alex's desperation to chase an audience or if it is brokered programming, like it makes no sense in terms of like Nick's already established.
He has an audience.
He doesn't need to promote himself going on Alex's show, but it does make sense if you're picking the bones.
And you got to wonder what is going through his head?
What are his advisors telling him?
Is it that he's so cloistered on true social in an echo chamber that this is just the pinnacle of exuberance?
Is this like a God complex type hubris where he really thinks anything goes now?
He can get away with anything.
I'm really just not sure what the mindset is here, but it just seems like one thing after the next.
You know, we just got done with the Iran war controversy.
I came up today to talk about immigration, which, you know, and we maybe have a disagreement, but the base is outraged about this, only to get caught up in now the latest, newest scandal, a new controversy about something that should have been a grand slam, release the documents.
And now he's actually not only not releasing them, but actually burying the story and doing this bizarre spin, running cover for it, saying no one should even be talking about it.
The guy's a creep standing on the graves of the people dead in Texas.
And clearly the question would always be, will Trump use the Epstein files if they weren't all destroyed, which we know they got a bunch of them, to then blackmail the deep state?
Or would he bring them all down with it?
And now I think we've got the answer of where it's going.
So I don't understand how this is supposed to be like an argument that holds water with the right wing.
They say that Trump can't be in the files because the Democrats would have released it by now to make Trump look bad.
But the whole point of blackmail is that you can't really release it without setting off a chain reaction that takes down a lot of people.
Democrats could have never released Trump intel about Epstein because they knew that he would take them down with him.
It was a mutually assured destruction kind of thing.
If you're accepting the idea that there is this big blackmail ring, then you can't really say that this information would have been released by now if it existed.
That seems like a desperate angle to try and reassure yourself that Trump isn't as bad as he obviously is.
But you can see here, too, how like freer Nick is than Alex and how it makes him look like way less of an idiot when he's sitting next to Alex.
He's supported Trump, but his primary brand was white supremacy.
And Trump was a conduit to pursue policies that supported that.
Trump was a means to an end for him.
Whereas Alex's recent career has been built around worshiping Trump as an end unto itself.
Because of that different positioning, Nick can easily say, fuck this dude, without really having to rewrite that much history.
Whereas Alex is pretty limited in his ability to do that.
And given, again, his concern about the files being released, this whole situation with Iran, him going with Israel against really his own diplomatic initiative, it seems like they have something on him.
And that to me was always the concern with this guy.
He's surrounded by this element.
In the first administration, it was the Chabad Lubavitchers through Jared Kushner.
They pulled out of the Iran deal.
You had all this smoke the first term.
Now we're having all this stuff come back the second time.
It's sort of like in the last five years, everybody forgot about all this.
Everybody started to believe in, you know, kind of like a Trump that didn't exist.
Got back into believing this simulacrum, you know, vapor wave, vaporware version of Trump from TikTok edits, from hype edits, videos, with music playing, and they forgot what the first term was really like.
It wasn't all that great.
So unfortunately, it just feels like deja vu all over again.
If we can't trust him on the Epstein files, there's some very dark implications in all of that.
I wouldn't say it's one issue.
I think it's maybe the central threat.
And once you start to tug on that, the whole thing comes undone.
I'd be furious if I was Alex and I had this guy who's like, yeah, I think people started to believe a fake version of Trump existed because people like you did what you do.
By creating my short TikTok style edits of his by showing memes and by only talking about short soundbites as opposed to maybe asking people to remember things about the past that happened or holding him accountable to the decisions and things he actually did.
Yeah, instead, you know, like trying to just like play running meme contests about Trump and how great he is and how he's going to destroy the fake news media.
Yeah, maybe Alex is due.
Maybe his career is based on exactly what Nick is talking about.
Yeah, but he has every bit of his political career has involved thinking he's untouchable.
And that image has been reinforced by a media structure full of people like Alex and even like Nick who spread memes creating a fake version of Trump to get him off the hook for all the things that would have completely destroyed any previous politician.
Someone like Laura Loomer has way more actual proximity to Trump.
Jesus.
I don't know how much they, because of how much excuses have been made up till this point, I don't know what depriving Trump of that in the future can actually do.
Well, and it's just like this is going to become one of those famous pieces of the puzzle that brings down the conspiracy theory.
This is like the JFK magic bullet and the lone gunman.
You know, Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone and the bullet made seven different exit and entry wounds and it had this miraculous pathway or like the passport of the 9-11 hijacker that was recovered on the ground of New York City.
So, but the reason that I think that this is important is because, like, Alex chimed in to say something about this, and every piece of information was wrong.
When you sit and you like listen to these two people say false things to each other, both of them just like, yeah, I'll go along with this without any real thought to actual, like, the information is not being shared.
What this being shared is like, ooh, ooh, I'm your friend.
And I think that, you know, these guys are, I don't see a way around this being kind of correct, that this will be like a magic bullet thing that will not go away.
And they haven't even really got into Trump's horrible response yet.
Yep.
Like, the next day when he's like, are people still talking about Epstein?