July 7, 2025’s FBI memo on Epstein—300GB of data with no client list or suspicious suicide findings—exposes the Trump administration’s "unforced error," crushing years of right-wing conspiracy narratives. Alex Jones spins it as a calculated cover-up by global elites, citing Roger Stone and whistleblower Kyle Serafin while clinging to moral outrage despite contradictions. Yet his shifting stances, from defending Trump’s pragmatism to demanding suppressed evidence, reveal desperation to salvage credibility amid growing backlash—even as his audience’s radical anti-immigration and pro-dictator rhetoric clashes with the president’s evolving policies. The episode underscores how conspiracy culture fractures under reality’s weight. [Automatically generated summary]
Otherwise, you would have to, I mean, you could play it again, but otherwise, you would really just kind of have to put it down, having completed the experience.
Well, I think maybe the people who run that company got high and they were like really anxious about what do people think about us if we don't have a three-year warranty.
Also, the anniversary of the day that I cried on the streets of Athens while watching Kat Stevens perform at the climate change concert that was held worldwide.
There was a big screen up in Athens.
Yeah, I was drunk on the street drinking a Mythos beer, weeping.
On the 7th, this day, the FBI released a memo that was, quote, part of our commitment to transparency.
They announced that they had, quote, conducted digital searches of databases, hard drives, and network drives, as well as physical searches of squad areas, locked cabinets, desks, closets, and other areas where responsive material may have been stored.
They reviewed over 300 gigabytes of data.
And they concluded that it was a ton of content of Epstein abusing children, but said that there was no client list.
On top of that, quote, there was no credible evidence found that Epstein blackmailed prominent individuals as part of his actions.
And, quote, we did not uncover evidence that could predicate an investigation against uncharged third parties.
Ultimately, they decided, quote, it is the determination of the Department of Justice and the Federal Bureau of Investigation that no further disclosure would be appropriate or warranted.
Also, they said that Epstein killed himself, and there's no reason to be suspicious about that.
There's no other way to put this than to say that this was a nuke being dropped on the right-wing media.
There was nothing that CNN or Obama or Antifa could possibly do that would cause as much damage to their morale as Trump's Department of Justice did with that one memo.
It's hard to stress enough that this was an entirely unforced error.
No one expected them to release anything about Epstein, but it was enough for the right-wing media to be able to pretend that Trump was willing to release that stuff, whereas other politicians weren't.
All he had to do was nothing, and his base would come up with never-ending excuses for how the disclosure was right around the corner.
They hadn't all left him after Pam Bondi's PR stunt with the binders, and that speaks volumes.
The only thing that the Trump administration could not afford to do was exactly this.
They cultivated a fan base of almost entirely conspiracy theorists, then issued a statement that said that there's nothing to see here about the biggest conspiracy in their world.
And it's not only the biggest, it's also the one that these people care the most about, because conspiracies involving crimes against children affect people on a deeply emotional level.
People who commit that category of crimes provoke a visceral, violent response in people that has a tendency to blur out critical thinking.
So using these accusations is tremendously powerful, which is why the Trump campaign promised we're going to bring vengeance to all these people.
By releasing this memo, the Trump administration had taken this violent, visceral reaction that it had used to manipulate their audience for the past decade and directed it towards themselves.
It was an unthinkably stupid decision, and it kind of feeds into what Alex was saying on one of our recent episodes about how Trump thinks that he's untouchable.
He has this confidence that he can't, nothing matters.
I wonder, listen, the only possible reason to do this that would make sense is if you are about to do something so much worse.
So the reason that you do this, right, is you've got your base, you've given them everything that they want, which is, I don't know, whatever they're screaming for.
And then this one thing, you rip it away from them.
And if they don't do anything about it, you own them forever.
So you can do whatever the fuck you want from here on out.
So unless the right wing steps up and stops them, man, horrible shit's coming.
I guess that is, you know, whether or not that would be a way this fits into a plan, there is certainly a reality that we have to experience that, like, if this is fine, then anything's fine.
We are entering the 168th day of Trump being sworn in.
Almost the hour, 168 days ago.
All right, obviously, everyone is tuned in, and we're going to have, I'd probably said it 20 million viewers and listeners say, probably 40 million because everybody wants to obviously know what I'm going to say and what my guests are going to say about the Epstein, DOJ, Trump administration cover-up.
And that's what it is, make no mistake.
And more than just that, it is a joining with the entire conspiracy.
I mean, you know, it is, it is like it's like, it's like being in a slow-motion dunk tank.
You know, like the thing got hit, the bullet was fired, the bullseye was hit, and Alex is falling, but it's happening so goddamn slowly that more and more people are like, how long is this really going to take?
The bigger question is, why on earth would Patel, Bongino, a few months ago, we'll get the clip, go on Fox like deer in the headlights, like they were both had guns to their head, hostages.
The body language was this is BS.
You couldn't come across as more disingenuous.
It completely blew up in their face, and they went around continually doing it on other shows.
Now, they're both very smart men.
And very smart people obviously wargamed all of that.
And it flew 100% in the face of what they'd said previously and what Pam Bondi, the AG had said literally weeks before that.
Hundreds of new victims, videos, Epstein and others raping children.
It's so horrible.
And then doing a 180 and saying, you know, we're going to release the video soon of Epstein killing himself, and then it's not that.
And just all this.
You could not hurt the Trump administration worse if you tried to.
Maybe he's still doing a little bit of bargaining.
He's trying to lay out some track for a narrative where there's a huge cover-up going on in the government, and there are all still some good guys in the mix, like Bongino, Patel, maybe Trump.
Sure.
But they wargamed it out.
And pretending to go along with this cover-up is the only way to defeat the cover-up in the long run.
Sure.
This might be more denial than bargaining when it really comes down to it.
And obviously, I woke up at 6 a.m. this morning, and this had broken overnight without about six, eight hours, and it was another vicious punch to the stomach.
And then it took me a couple hours.
I mean, I instantly knew what was going on, but a few hours of process and really think about it.
And I know in the main exactly what's going on.
And I made some phone calls to people like Roger Stone and FBI whistleblower Kyle Serafin and others, and they all basically concurred with my analysis.
In fact, Stone was already saying it before I gave my opinion.
I said, what's your opinion?
He did it.
Exactly the same thing.
Because it's not our opinion.
So if you want to know exactly what's going on here, in the main, I mean, I know in the 35,000-foot view that there's a lot of particular components.
And what you're going to get from me today is just the facts.
You can make your own decision about all this.
But understanding the way they fell on their sword this way was part of an obvious deal with the deep state to go out and join us in the conspiracy.
And then you'll have a deal with us to stop trying to kill Trump and the rest of it.
This is actually probably the best Alex can do in this situation.
He wants to dissuade the audience from thinking that the explanation for all of this is that Trump is implicated in the Epstein files, and the reason we're not seeing any disclosures is because it would reveal things about him that are really bad.
You want to avoid this kind of thinking because if that's true, then you have to start asking yourself about how much did Alex knowingly cover that up to promote Trump while trying to whip the listeners into a hysteria about how Democrats were all child abusers.
If the Trump administration is involved in a cover-up here, you also have to start asking hard questions about how they appear to be willing to use lies and cover-ups to serve their personal interests.
You pull this thread and quickly Trump appears to be a really shitty leader, even if you like the deportations.
Like, this is a disaster.
Alex's idea that Trump accepted a deal so the globalists would stop trying to kill him is awful, but I think it's the best option he has.
It maintains the illusion that Alex has been straight up in his coverage and that Trump wasn't abusing people with Epstein.
He's guilty of something very corrupt and bad, but it's only the strategic deal with the devil, not willful association and collaboration with the devil.
I respect what Alex is doing, is trying to get bucketfuls of water out of the sinking ship, but it's not worth the effort in the end.
It's the only thing you have at your disposal while the ship is sinking.
That said, here's a summation of what's going on, and then I'm going to walk through it all.
They knew the Democrats under Comey and his daughter in New York had this giant trove that they gleaned from the Caribbean and New Mexico and New York out of the lairs of Jeffrey Epstein.
And so when they didn't turn it over, they raided them now four months ago.
And then Bondi went on Fox News and said, yes, there's thousands of files, meaning computer files, video files, you name it.
It's terrible children abuse.
It will come out.
And then she got caught undercover, basically even elaborating.
And then when she knew that video was coming out, she talked about a press conference a few days later.
That was James O'Keefe.
And There have been rumblings in D.C. about an ongoing cover-up.
We knew it was going on previously.
And I said it's too early to tell.
We ought to see.
And then when Bondi, we confirm this from Seraphin and others, sent the files out to offices around the country, which is what you do if you're going to start investigating something.
He's doing his best to spin the non-release of Epstein files and the cover-up of their existence as a heroic act on the Trump administration's part.
But this just doesn't hold water.
Alex is essentially asking the audience to think of the Epstein files as collateral damage.
Sure, we all wanted to see the people who worked with Epstein brought to justice, and that was a super important thing to have happened since they were running the CIA Mossad Satan blackmail ring that was critical to keeping politicians in line and voting against the public's best interest, which kind of explain all the things that are bad in the world.
So it seems important that we'd want to expose all this.
Yeah, there's this woman wrote a memoir recently about her time in a cult.
She was in a Korean Christian cult kind of thing going on.
And at the near the end of the time, she was staying with her mom and she invited a cult D programmer over and they spent the, you know, they did the two days thing where they're talking and talking to talking.
But she was just talking about how when she finally let the moment happen where she was, she's tired.
They've been doing this whole thing.
And she was finally like, this guy was lying to me and the relief of just allowing that out.
You know, just the relief of just allowing what should be not even a very complicated thing to allow out.
But the point is that he looked really freaked out and really shaken up.
And I'm sure at the level he was at, he was read in on what was about to happen.
Now he says Trump is on the list.
The list is a dumb way of putting it.
There are houses.
That's in the FBI reports.
Houses full.
The quote was: you could fill houses with what was at Zorro Ranch alone.
Huge safes.
We have the photos.
Powell cameras full of VHS going back decades, DBDs, hard drives, memory sticks, folders listing what it all is.
These different world leaders and corporate leaders come to Zorro Ranch, come to Little St. John's Island.
They come to the New York dungeon to have sex with children knowing they're on camera.
That is your initiation.
Just like MS-13, to get higher up in it, you got to kidnap and kill, rape, and kill a little girl for Satan.
You know, the old-fashioned Italian mafia, you just got to, you know, kill people.
It's not just kill one person and make your bones.
You got to proficiently kill.
And if you don't kill them and do a good job, it doesn't happen because you can't do other killings if you didn't do a professional job.
So, but you see, that type of mafia was just bound on culture and honor.
Well, in the modern age, it's not enough that they, you know, got, okay, this guy's killed 10 people for us.
Now we can trust him.
No.
You got to go in when some 10-year-old that's been used up for six months in a dungeon is fighting and going crazy and, you know, and all right, go, they're used up.
Go give them a dirt nap.
And they make these world leaders and political leaders, they got to go into a dungeon and they got to strangle or shoot whatever they tell them to do, beat them to death, stab them to death.
Whatever they tell them.
I talked to people.
They've seen it.
It's come out.
It's been in reports.
It's not stuff you really see on the news.
And they go to these bankers and people and they tell them.
They tell their wives too.
Listen, remember all that stuff you did?
All the kids rape and all the rest of it?
We're going to kill you if you don't go to this address and if you don't go into this room and if you don't kill these kids we got in cages.
And they grab them by the throat and they say, you understand?
He does this thing a lot, but I don't really want to play it that often because it's obscene and it's potentially emotionally painful for people to hear.
And it really doesn't add much to our understanding of anything.
But I wanted to play it this time so we can really get a sense of what Alex is saying Trump made a deal with.
If what Alex is saying is true, then Trump is guaranteed that the people Alex is describing will never face justice for what they've done.
Trump has made some kind of deal with them about not trying to kill him anymore, but there's no reason to think that the deal he struck was no more of that dungeon stuff.
If the deal Alex is talking about is real, then Trump is acting in his self-interest.
And in the process, he's protecting these monsters and enabling them to continue their abuses.
Seems like Alex should be able to see that there is no best case scenario for him here.
There's no nuanced take for him to have when the enemy is the devil and is doing this shit.
And my explanation for their behavior, the explanation that I believe puts them in the best light is they have sacrificed hundreds of thousands of lives in order to save their own.
So my job is to do deep research, have incredible sources, massive historical understanding, and then just tell the truth and let the chips fall where they may.
Justice be done.
may the ebbins fall you can see the pragmatic angle from trump If they do start prosecuting all of these world leaders and financial leaders, business leaders in a giant deep state,
child rape, initiations, cult.
If all that comes out, what will the aftermath be?
Better for the world, we'll see the United States, the UK, and Europe.
That's how it operates as pure, absolute, complete scum for a good reason.
And so Trump is now using the Epstein files that they have, and we know they have the videos, all of it, the client list, all of it.
Houses full.
It would fill houses.
FBI report.
Jessoro Ranch.
And it's come out in court.
Where did it all go?
Well, a bunch of it went to New York, and the Democrats were sitting on it, and the FBI head there.
Remember, I dug in.
We're at war with Trump.
We're not giving him anything.
We're not helping him.
Remember the email?
Don't work with him.
Don't talk to them.
They had to raid him.
And then they got it.
There's photos from the FBI.
That's out in New York.
Hard drives.
And boxes after boxes of hard drives, cabinet after cabinet of that.
And then they come out and tell us it's all there.
Art of the deal.
Load the gun, put it at the deep state head, and then make a deal for the deep state to roll over and to hand the keys over to Trump.
And is Trump going to dismantle it now?
We're seeing a lot of signs of that.
96% reduction, the smuggling over the border, rolling up the networks doing it.
I'm not defending any of this, by the way.
I'm telling you what's going on.
This is the thinking.
But to make that deal, they had to say, okay, we'll go out and say there's nothing there so that we can't then use it against you later.
Because the bad guys say, well, how do we know if we do this, you won't alter the deal later?
We want you to join the conspiracy.
We want you to become accomplices after the fact.
We want you to get in the swamp with us and swim around and by extension join the cult.
Seems like they would make Trump kill a kid, right?
I mean, I don't know.
It seems strange.
Anyway, this deal doesn't make sense.
It kind of sounds like mob shit.
It almost sounds like what Alex is describing is Trump taking over the globalists' criminal operation, which might be to dismantle it from within, or it might be to run it himself.
Given what we know about Trump and every decision he's ever made, he's going to do the thing that makes him money.
So it seems unlikely that he'd want to dismantle a very lucrative and established crime outfit like generally.
Alex has a single conclusion that he wants to lead the audience away from.
All kinds of wild speculating and conjecture is fine, so long as it stays away from a particular line of thought, typically the one that lines up with reality.
In the case of like mass shootings, any kind of dipshit conspiracy can be entertained, but it's forbidden to have conversations about how there's too many guns out there, how they're too easy to get.
All narratives are okay if they distract away from that point.
In this case, it's clear that the conclusion Alex wants the audience to avoid is that Trump has been bad all along, in no small part, because that will raise questions about Alex's advocacy for him.
And that's not even getting into the prophecy parts of this shit and the religious aspects.
This is such a loaded situation, though.
And the narratives Alex can come up with to try to distract from that conclusion, they're also super bad.
Trump may be making a deal with the devil.
He might be trying to take over the human trafficking industry.
It is like I keep bringing up different comparisons to just the same kind of cultish thing, but it is that moment of like, all right, you have to cut off all contact with the rest of your family.
If you believe that this is true, then you're ours, you know?
Because Trump never met with globalists, never made deals, always was his own man, loved that, was not in their club because he understood they'd try to control him.
Instead, he got in at the top of the club and took it over.
Now, the question is, will he dismantle it?
And the reason I'm saying I understand what Trump's doing is because so far we're seeing massive dismantlement of the real rubber meets the road of this system.
They really are sitting in special operations to kill people producing fentanyl.
They really are stopping the human trafficking.
They really are.
People are falling downstairs.
Let's just say that.
Tapping one.
People are falling out of windows.
People are disappearing.
And you just say, oh my God, that's super dangerous.
Well, that's what this is.
And now you see real fear.
When you see the Democrats, they're just the puppets and all of them all scared and shaking when Hakeem Jeffries did his eight-hour speech and you look at their body language.
They ain't so arrogant now because they're picking up the phone to their bosses and they're not getting phone calls back.
And I think what's really funny about this episode in particular is that Alex doesn't have the information of Trump's response yet of Trump being like, fuck you idiots.
Why are you still talking about Epstein?
I mean, so Alex is still in this pure state where it's like, if Trump responds to this well, we might get out of this.
Sometimes there is some things where it's like, I would like you to learn the one lesson from Lord of the Rings that would be very helpful for you, which is that at the end, even Frodo succumbs.
You have to succumb to the ring is unsuccumbable.
The only reason the ring is destroyed is because Gollum was so destroyed by the ring, he destroyed them both together.
The ring itself will always win.
If you are the one in control of the ring, you are not in control.
And we continue to see the arrests of the traffickers, the smugglers, all that, the sex slavers.
That's a good thing.
If I don't see that continue and escalated and accelerated, then I am going to start taking an extremely negative view towards the Trump administration.
Right now, I'm just laying out on the table what I see, and I'm going to cogitate on it and have a larger debate and take your calls and more.
But all the clips, all the details, the factoids, it's all coming up.
But yes, at the base level, U.S. intelligence, the CIA, heavily involved with the Mossad, MI6.
And so they're like, Mr. President, it'll bring down the government.
Well, the government already brought the country down.
Well, well, again, I have a great crew, but if they weren't so professional and dedicated and loyal, I have no idea what they're doing across the building.
Right.
And so Trump has millions of people under him.
And I'm not trying to be an apologist for Trump.
I think you're right.
I think the jury's out.
Well, let's see what Trump does to this firestorm now because he said release it and do all this.
And now you think he knows this happened?
Because I mean, I think this has been a high-level deal.
How is it that you can be in the middle of saying words and not hear them?
You know, it is like maybe we need to have some sort of like instant playback, some sort of mandated instant playback, where if somebody hears something crazy, they're like, you got to listen to what you just said because you sound fucking crazy.
At the bare minimum, I believe the signs I've seen.
Trump said no.
Okay, fine.
We'll now use this against him.
But that's all the deep state is blackmail.
But that's not going to be done through Cash and Bondi, who I can see badly coordinated what they're doing during the headlights, that they're basically just placeholders for Fox News and for PR.
And then it is, it is the intelligence agencies that are now doing this.
And they've come to Trump, who is sophisticated, and Trump has decided to use the Ring of Mordor.
So he's so our good guy, chosen by God, the guy that we have been standing by for 10 years.
We've stood through thick and thin through grabbing him by the pussy, through very clearly stealing an election, through pardoning people, through trying to overthrow the country, to pardoning people for overthrowing the country, etc.
The whole point was transparency, protect children.
These are universal values that Americans hold.
Like even people who I don't agree with politically, if you think that kids are, you know, that this can happen to kids or you're okay with wealthy people getting a different set of justice, like if they get to have a different court system or things like that.
There's no way also to have this conversation that they're having and not be like, man, if that's true, I'm going to blow up the White House or something.
I think this is a situation where we've been done a big disservice by pop culture and cartoons in specific.
You know, anytime, or, you know, like Bond, anytime you have a situation where walls are slowly closing in on you, perhaps with spikes, there's always a clever or inspired way to escape it.
But in real life, if I'm building a wall slowly crush people to death machine, those walls are crushing you to death.
There's no getting out of that thing.
You know, this is where you're at.
You're stuck in here.
You're not going to escape this with a clever, here's why Trump did it and it's okay.
I think that Patel doesn't make it past midterms if they decide to switch over.
But I also see that Patel is actually kind of useful.
He's actually kind of fitting into the role of FBI director, which is a guy that flies around on a jet and defends the FBI vigorously, doesn't do anything in particular that we're hoping he does, and takes credit for things the FBI always does.
I know Alex wants to war game with Kyle, trying to find ways that Trump might be salvageable, but the more they talk, the more they make him look like a monster who set up a bunch of people in these high-level positions they were unqualified for, specifically so they could take certain falls.
I don't turn tell him run, but I'm not going to sit here and be stupid.
If they're able to stop the Trump agenda and the Democrats are about to get in three and a half years, I'm leaving the country.
All right.
So I need Trump to succeed.
At the same time, I can't go along with evil, and I just can't do it.
So, Kyle, in closing here, final comments, but I just want to say that if Trump didn't give these orders, which I've speculated, I believe he did, and that they made a deal behind the scenes or whatever, because they believe this information is too damaging to destroy the country or whatever.
And I see that argument.
I'm not endorsing it.
If he hasn't done this, while we've had Bondi and Patel and all them, really cash, hyping us up for months and now putting out this ridiculous report that 180s was already on record and it makes the Trump administration complicit in the CIA Mossad Epstein operation.
If Trump doesn't come out and say this is wrong or reverse this, then he is complicit.
And I'm just processing what I'm going to have to do.
Yeah, it is funny because it's like the one time where allow like being the you you are would have done you a huge service.
Being the person who just goes, you know what?
I saw it.
Fuck him.
We're moving on.
You know, like that's you.
But because you're thinking about it, you're all you're thinking about is ways to not be you, is ways to deny the thing that you already know you're going to do.
I think that when Alex, like, I think that transition from like within a couple months' time of Trump is a front man for consortiums on the West Coast, on the East Coast, and like he's mobbed up all this shit.
Fuck that guy to, oh, Roger Stone's talking to me.
I think we're going to, I think he's actually maybe the best candidate.
Yeah.
That walled off that, like a part of himself that is able to say that fuck this, fuck this shit.
And I think that this is maybe the ultimate end point of it.
He can't just deal with the reality of we have made a conspiracy for a decade that Trump is supposed to have solved on day one.
Well, like, on our last episode, we were talking a bit about Alex claiming that after the Minnesota lawmaker assassinations, everyone was like, don't question things.
And it takes me a lot of data to be able to come to these conclusions.
And again, we've already covered a lot of it.
It would take days to go over it all.
It would take days for me to just remember it all, but that's what knowledge is.
You just have it.
I believe in Trump.
I love Trump.
I understand what Trump's doing.
I don't agree with it completely.
I talked to Roger before the election and he said, it's the CIA, it's Mossad.
We all know that.
They're going to come to Trump and say it's going to bring down the federal government.
You can't release this information when Trump's saying, I'm going to release it.
Then he has Bonnie and all of them saying, okay, we got it.
We rated it.
We got it.
We're going to release it.
And then now they do a 180.
You don't do a PR disaster like that unless that was part of a deal with the deep state of they roll over to make sure that Trump would never use it against him to say it's over.
It's put away.
It's done.
That means the king of England and the deal with the most powerful empire still in the world financially is those people.
And that means getting all these other groups on board.
And if Trump brought out all this child rape and the 14 terabytes of kids getting raped and the hundreds of victims, it would demonize America worldwide.
Actually, the elites.
I believe justice be done though the heavens fall.
So that do you though?
That's easier for me because I just do what I believe is right, what the Holy Spirit tells me is right, and I do it.
And that's why they want me off the air because they know this guy's a loose cannon.
It is the great expression of a certain type of person who can say, like, let the heavens fall while in the middle of doing everything possible to avoid receiving consequences that he so very clearly deserves, that he knows he deserves.
So you can't believe, like, hey, if this is going to take everything down and then be like, well, no, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Oh, it's almost like, it's almost like they released a comically long amount of footage to obscure that a comically small amount of footage was deliberately hidden.
And I think it is due to pressure from a number of our allies because Epstein was blackmailing some very, very powerful, important people.
That is my theory.
In all honesty, while all of this is very, very interesting, this past week, the CIA director dropped a bombshell in which he absolutely proves that the Russian collusion hoax was exactly that, cooked up by John Brennan and Gary Coleman, the NBI.
Like, listen, like, even during the worst bald-faced lies that have been told in any other administration of my lifetime, even worse, like Colin Powell went into the UN and was like, they've got weapons of mass destruction.
Even Roger Stone is like, well, I believe there's a massive cover-up, even though the FBI, run by the guy that I think is the savior of humanity, says there wasn't a massive cover-up.
Even then, I can't say that the FBI is telling the truth.
This administration wants anyone who has ever committed a crime to be held accountable.
And I would argue this administration has done more to lock up bad guys than certainly the previous administration.
And the Trump administration is committed to truth and to transparency.
That's why the Attorney General and the FBI director pledged at the president's direction to do an exhaustive review of all of the files related to Jeffrey Epstein's crimes and his death.
And they put out a memo in conclusion of that review.
There was material they did not release because, frankly, it was incredibly graphic and it contained child pornography, which is not something that's appropriate for public consumption.
But they committed to an exhaustive investigation.
That's what they did, and they provided the results of that.
Well, I think if you go back and look at what the Attorney General said in that interview, which was on your network on Fox News, John Roberts said, DOJ may be releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients.
There's a real dynamic that I feel between their interaction on this episode that is Alex almost having to wrestle with like, if I keep going down this road, this is who I have to be.
But at the same time, after he gets a Supreme Court win, after they scale up deportations, he says, listen, for people that aren't committing a bunch of crimes, that aren't here committing crimes, we're going to create a system with the farm workers to come and leave.
Same thing with hotel workers.
He already has a system that's legal to do that.
So that's exactly what Trump said.
So I think I'm going to debate Nick Fuentez on this tomorrow at 1 p.m.
I think it's unfair to say this is a promise broken, and he's putting huge pressure on scaling up.
And he always said that they would create a mechanism for people that aren't hardened criminals and do provide something to have a path to come back legal, but he wants that control in.
We're working on legislation right now where farmers, look, they know better.
They work with them for years.
You had cases where, not here, but just even over the years, where people have worked for a farm on a farm for 14, 15 years, and they get thrown out pretty viciously.
And we can't do it.
We've got to work with the farmers and people that have hotels and leisure properties too.
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We work with them and we're going to strong and smart.
I think that this is a severe miscalculation on Trump's part and a real problem that's brewing for Alex.
The folks that would cheer for immigration and labor reform are the people they call rhinos who have been labeled enemies of the West or whatever white nationalist euphemism they want to use that day.
Trump has sidelined these people and elevated people who do not want immigration reform.
They want all immigrants deported, and they suspect all non-white people of being immigrants.
For most of this time, they've been able to maintain an uneasy balance between these two groups by talking in these euphemisms.
Trump could say, I'm going to deport all the immigrant criminals.
And the base would hear, I'm going to deport all the non-white people.
Well, simultaneously, Alex could kind of report both.
He could use literal language that was closer to the deporting the criminal side, while the emotion of his broadcast catered to the feelings that the base prioritized of wanting a white nationalist utopia.
It's going to come to a head, though, because Trump doesn't want to deport all immigrants.
He knows how severely that would disrupt the economy, and he prefers money to pretty much everything else.
So, like, yeah, he's a bigot, but he also doesn't want to be the guy who destroyed the entire economy.
Like, you understand that for you, the deportations are what you think is going to bring economic prosperity to you and your people.
But the reason that we have those immigrant deportations is to depress their wages and make sure that they are constantly terrified of being deported at any time.
Thus, when they do come, we can kind of put a lot of force on them and negotiate a lot better.
So, anyways, we're going to be rich forever, and you're still going to see all the immigrants you hate.
Personally, I think it'd be a relief if I found out, if I was a supporter of anybody to this extent, and then something this bad came out, I wouldn't have to even think about it.
Like, oh, sweet, I can just uncomplicatedly say goodbye to this person, you know?