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July 21, 2025 - Knowledge Fight
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#1058: June 23, 2025

In this installment, Dan and Jordan tune in to find Alex covering important topics like a potential war with Iran, Tucker Carlson's secret job with the CIA, and the possibility that Trump has been possessed by a demon.

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alex jones
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dan friesen
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jordan holmes
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unidentified
Andy and Kansas.
Andy and Kansas.
Stop it.
alex jones
Andy and Kansas.
Andy and Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy and Kansas.
You're on the airplane for all of us.
unidentified
So Alex, I'm a Fishman Color.
I'm a huge fan.
dan friesen
I love your work.
unidentified
Knowledge Fight.
alex jones
Knowledge Fight dot com dot I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
unidentified
Welcome back.
dan friesen
Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple of guys.
We like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jordan.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are Dan.
Jordan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
What's your bright spot today, buddy?
My bright spot is we just got back from seeing Superman.
jordan holmes
Indeed we did.
dan friesen
No spoilers, I don't want to ruin anything for anyone, but a dog plays a big role in this movie.
jordan holmes
Very important.
dan friesen
I think that's in the ads.
I don't think I'm ruining anything for anyone.
jordan holmes
I mean, for me, very high, very high.
dan friesen
I love a nice dog.
jordan holmes
Top tier part of the movie.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
So we went to go see this at the Alamo Draft House, and this is where my bright spot comes in.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
I love sneaky waiters.
jordan holmes
Okay, all right.
dan friesen
I think the people who work there do such a great job.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because they are, they're tasked with doing something that is probably distracting and annoying to a lot of people, so they have to try and do their job and not be disruptive.
Yeah.
And I I'm just amazed that they can do it.
jordan holmes
They're nice.
dan friesen
I tip my cap.
jordan holmes
It's very, like when you see one of those plays where they have the like six people who are dressed from head to toe in black and you can just see them moving the sets in and out as though there was an insignificant blob like changing things.
That's that they're that good.
They were very good.
dan friesen
Just tiptoeing around.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
You have to curl over.
jordan holmes
And they were in plain clothes too.
They weren't wearing uniforms with little name tags or anything.
So you're like, maybe this person's gonna sit next to me.
But then they were gone in a flash.h.
dan friesen
And they just brought you popcorn.
jordan holmes
They just brought you popcorn.
dan friesen
Certainly, that was fun.
I like that.
What's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
My bright spot is very similar, based around the same place.
I was talking to you, we were talking to you about it just a little bit, but I went to the bathrooms and they were so clean, and this is in Wrigleyville.
dan friesen
And it was not a neighborhood known for clean.
jordan holmes
You know, it transported me into a stepping through the past of being in Wrigleyville and just the sheer volume of shitty toilets in my history of Wrigleyville.
And this one was perfect.
It's perfect and I don't know what my bright spot is.
I don't know if my bright spot is that it used to be shitty or that it isn't shitty now.
dan friesen
I bet you could find a lot of really bad toilets.
jordan holmes
Oh, I bet you could.
I bet they're still there.
dan friesen
Yeah, no, I'm.
jordan holmes
You have to find out.
dan friesen
I mean, the theater is right across the street from Sluggers.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
I'm pretty sure those toilets will be torn up.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and they've, listen, whatever, whatever improvements Wrigley may make or may not make, there's still going to be the troughs.
Everyone's going to pee into a big trough.
That's what's going to happen.
dan friesen
And Wrigley itself.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
That's what's going to happen till the day we all die.
dan friesen
And I'd like to, I'd like to, this isn't the bright spot.
It's just a let's correct the record kind of thing.
I after the movie was like, Hey Jordan, let's go to the batting cages at Slaughter's.
And you said no.
Right.
Now we know from this podcast that you're from sports.
jordan holmes
I am from sports.
dan friesen
And yet I suggested a sport right.
And you said no.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I want to go home.
jordan holmes
Okay, okay.
I put it to you that should I have agreed, we would not have followed through regardless.
dan friesen
I guarantee we would have.
If you had said, Yeah, fuck yeah, let's do it.
jordan holmes
It's easier to say now than it was back then.
dan friesen
You know what?
You might be right, but only because the Cubs game was just getting out.
jordan holmes
That's kind of the thing.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
If the Clark Street hadn't been flooded with people, I do think I would have been like, No, fuck you.
You agreed?
Let's go.
Let's have a game.
jordan holmes
I think if we had both known how many people were going to be like, just in the way, we might have just been like, Let's go there and wait for people to clear out.
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
I would have been fine with that.
dan friesen
If we didn't have an episode to record, too, that's another fact.
jordan holmes
The fact that it was about 45 minutes ago, it also has something to do with it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But you don't love sports as much as you say you do.
That's all I want to say.
jordan holmes
I'm an old man.
I'm an old man and death comes to us all.
Maybe it's come to me sooner than I would appreciate.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Take some swings.
Loosen it up.
jordan holmes
Maybe.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.
We're going to be talking about Superman and june 23, 2025.
jordan holmes
Okay, okay.
dan friesen
Alex is in a tough spot.
jordan holmes
Oh yeah?
dan friesen
Much like Superman at some point in the movie.
jordan holmes
At some point in the movie.
dan friesen
He knows there's going to be a tough spot for him.
And he has to rise above something.
jordan holmes
I mean, all movies essentially have at least one conflict.
dan friesen
Right.
And Alex is in that conflict.
He's in the belly of the whale, as it were.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Because he killed Gene Hackman.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
America is still in an active civil war.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
That he has not told us has ended.
True.
And Iran and Israel are fighting.
And now Trump has attacked Israel.
We had attacked Iran, excuse me.
jordan holmes
We had avoided World War Three, but now World War Three has begun.
dan friesen
It has to have.
And Alex is in a tough, tough situation.
jordan holmes
Well, we all are in a way, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And we'll see how he navigates that.
But first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new walls.
jordan holmes
That's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, hello, Zeffi Weffy, this is your shout out coming to you directly from Urasashi.
Thank you so much, you're a NowPalsyWalk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wall.
jordan holmes
Thank you so much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Jordan, but I go by Stone Cold Stephen F. Austin.
Love the show and enthusiasm.
Keep it up.
Thank you so much, you're a NowPalsyWalk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wall.
jordan holmes
Thank you so much.
unidentified
Thank you.
dan friesen
And shout out to.
Out to Kalo, you're stupid, you're stinking, and your crocodile style is missed terribly.
From Owen, not that one.
Thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you so much.
dan friesen
Thank you, and we have a technocrat in the mix, Jordan.
So thank you so much to D. Dogg from Phoenix.
Thank you so much, you're now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars, go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
alex jones
Someone, someone, Sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
Daddy Sharp, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum.
Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser little, little kitty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you so much.
dan friesen
So we start off on the 23rd and Trump has bombed Iran and Alex is kind of clinging to some, ah, maybe this is just him taking out the nuclear stuff so Israel doesn't have as much of a reason to want us.
jordan holmes
It could be a it could be a peaceful bombing.
It is possible that this is a bomb that will inspire peace as we all know bombs have done historically.
dan friesen
Or at least, I really don't want Trump to want regime change.
jordan holmes
It would be nice if he just would pull it back.
dan friesen
Or at least if his goal isn't to do regime change.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
The last 25 years of US history has created a sour tone around the idea of regime change.
jordan holmes
Yeah, our entire adult life might have had something to do with it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Unfortunately, Trump took to social media.
unidentified
Oh!
dan friesen
And Alex had his balloon burst.
alex jones
It was 11, almost 12 days ago that Israel started its bombardment of Iran.
We were all told it was just to get their nuclear sites.
It wasn't about regime change.
Then three or four days later, the guy really run the show, Benjamin Netanyahu, said no, it's regime change.
And then yesterday, Trump came out and said it's not politically correct to use the term reg term regime change, but if the current Iranian regime is unable to make Iran great again, why wouldn't there be a regime change, make Iran great again?
And now to top that off, Trump just threatened Russia with our nuclear submarines, launched cruise missiles, and said, We've got nuclear weapons delivery systems twenty years advanced over every other nation,
and said Kremlin spokesperson and former president of Russia Menediev better not be talking about nuclear weapons when he says nations are moving, including North Korea, who announced they are planning to do it, and they do what they say they're going to do, nuclear weapons.
Putin has come out and issued a warning.
Kremlin warns that other nations ready to give Iran nuclear, dangerous escalation has begun, says Putin.
dan friesen
Oh man, that sounds like shit.
That sounds bad.
jordan holmes
That's rough.
That's rough.
It seems like someone is at fault for not doing what it is they want him to do, I guess, right?
dan friesen
I mean, Trump saying why his regime changed a dirty word.
Hey, maybe all nuclear Russia.
jordan holmes
For all of the reasons that it is.
dan friesen
This is bad.
Alex is having a real moment where the person that you've sold us is not this person.
You know, like the audience has to recognize like this is way out of step with what we would have expected someone with the knowledge, with the awareness that Alex has said Trump has.
This is not how they would respond to this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, it is it is a like it feels like when you're when you're when you're thinking of pop, we just saw a movie.
So like when you got a thing of popcorn in the microwave and you had those initial pop pop, those are the people going, maybe I've been conned right.
And now as time goes on, we're experiencing a greater number of pops as things go al on.
But you know, there's always those straggler pops that refuse to become popcorn slash admit that they were conned.
So we're just trying to figure out where we are on that scale.
dan friesen
Yeah, there are some people are destined to remain a colonel.
jordan holmes
Yeah, are we burnt colonels?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Is that what Alex is going to be?
Will he a burnt colonel?
dan friesen
No, he's a lieutenant colonel.
jordan holmes
He's a nayce.
Well done.
dan friesen
So I do think that there's something to be said for Alex, and that is that he says things.
And in this next clip, he says, This is bullshit.
jordan holmes
Where?
dan friesen
You know, I can't really argue with.
jordan holmes
That is bullshit.
dan friesen
I don't care, and I don't believe Alex.
He's not a sincere person.
Yeah.
But can't really argue with this.
alex jones
So that's where we are.
You can say you're for bombing Iran, you can say you're against it.
And Trump did say he didn't want to have a nuclear program, but he wasn't for full war and regime change.
And so he could say, hey, I didn't lie.
I'm the peace president.
And he's certainly been doing a good job trying to de-escalate with Russia until now.
But it is not truthful for a campaign promise to now endorse regime change.
So my integrity and the truth always comes first.
jordan holmes
Does it?
alex jones
It makes me physically sick.
to see all the great things Trump's doing domestically and with the economy and sovereignty and going after all the leftist brainwashing and trying to break our will.
I mean, it's beautiful.
And the deportations and the sex traffickers being arrested.
I mean, mass arrests all over the place.
All this good news, and then right in the middle of it, a trillion pound turd in the punch bowl.
dan friesen
It was very obvious we were going to end up in a place like this because Alex has already been in this place multiple times.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Where he looks like he's finally realizing that this Trump guy sure isn't acting like the guy Alex has been pretending he was.
Strangely, it seems like a lot of these moments come up about because Trump has done something that's against Russia's foreign policy objectives, which makes sense because as we've determined, America first loves Russia.
There would be a lot of pleasure in basking in the I told you so type feelings, but none of this even matters to someone like Alex because he isn't just now realizing that Trump sucks.
He's always known, but his desire for things like terrorizing LGBTQ folk and immigrants that always outweighed his embarrassment at pretending that Trump wasn't a piece of shit.
When he has these moments, it's generally because the thing that Trump did was so egregious that there's no real spin for it, and he just needs to punt.
You can't try to tell the audience that Trump isn't in favor of regime change in Iran when he's posting on social media about how he's into regime change in Iran.
If Alex ever believed that Trump was a good guy who should be in office, him posting something like this should be seriously a cause for reflection because Alex would have to recognize that he's super wrong.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And wrong on a level where your analysis might be a public danger, so you might need to rethink really basic pieces of it.
We've seen this go down before that typically Alex will give this little performance about how his principles matter so much to him and he just can't go along with this.
Then shit will cool off and he'll remember how critical Trump is to advancing the white nationalist agenda and things will go back to him loving Trump or I'll call good things good and bad things bad or whatever.
status quo will return.
Sure.
One of these times you have to think that he will finally have had enough.
But here on the 23rd, this really feels like the same on again off again style relationship that he has with Trump.
It's just at the point where there's no way he can with a straight face defend us.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, it's a little okay.
So when you're dealing with cult, right, there's the initial period where you got the charismatic leader, but then a lot of times what will happen is eventually some of the crime.imes that you get when you commit when you're a cult leader will catch up with you and you'll end up going to jail.
But the cult might just stay around and there's someone who steps into the power vacuum and gets to say, Oh, the cult leader totally told me we need to do this.
And that's what you have to do with Trump.
Trump can't, Trump needs to be in prison and you have to be like, Oh, this guy, Trump, he was telling me that we have to go do these things that coincidentally we all wanted to do.
dan friesen
Sure.
Or he be dead.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he needs to be.
Yeah, I mean, if you've got a charismatic leader, you kill him almost immediately and then you go back to him.
Right.
dan friesen
Because the alternative of what you need to do is the Tea Party all over again.
Yeah.
And turn Trump into Bush.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then create your own, like, a real right wing.
Yeah.
That, you know, Alex could do that.
He's done it before.
jordan holmes
Can't see that turning into a downward spiral that takes us all with it.
dan friesen
No, but that that's the other way to get rid of the baggage of Trump.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Would be to make him a neocon or something.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
No, he's much better as a martyr than a living thing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
And this is the difficulty.
jordan holmes
That's the problem.
dan friesen
So Trump has bombed Iran.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And now we're waiting for Iran's response.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
like, what are they going to do?
Is it going to be like a nuke?
Are we all dead?
jordan holmes
I mean, it would be, it would be an interesting turn.
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's straight up like reflecting on air.
How long would it take for a missile to reach the US if it went over the North Pole?
Like, he's, he's like, well, might have half an hour left.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I I believe, because I wrote about this, I believe it's 45 minutes from somewhere to LA.
dan friesen
Okay, so you and Albert have similar headsets.
jordan holmes
I remember that being a plot point is like, there's, they, everyone says that you've got like 45 minutes, no matter where you are.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's good to know.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex doesn't know exactly what's going to happen, but something's going to happen.
And then it turns out that Iran has decided to launch missiles at US bases in Qatar.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Reuters now reporting, CIA, MI6, Iran launches six missiles towards U.S. bases in Qatar.
The fact that Qatar went on lockdown and closed its airspace first hours and hours ago, and that now that's where the missiles are going, points towards a backroom deal for face saving and the Iranians may be getting ready to capitulate.
I'm not saying that's about to happen.
And if Trump can pull this off, I'll still be pissed off that he went back on what he said he would do for the first time pretty much ever.
And it means the neocons can manipulate us in the future.
But Trump's argument is that'll be a show of strength for the Russians and the Chinese.
If these missiles do not hit the base, the big giant air base we have there, then it means.
that the Mullahs have choked.
At least for now.
dan friesen
So Iran launched missiles at a US base in Qatar in retaliation for Trump's strike, and it went about how one might expect.
US air defense is pretty competent, so the missiles were mostly intercepted.
To minimize civilian casualties, Iran warned Qatar, and Trump even said that he got early notice, and then called the attack quote very weak, and was glad that Iran quote got it all out of their system.
In the sense that it didn't turn into an all out war, that's a positive, but it's still really crazy kinds of brinksmanship, and Qatar definitely wasn't happy about it.
After the attack, Trump said that Iran and Israel had agreed on a ceasefire, which seemed to be a surprise to Iran.
They had not agreed but were willing to not retaliate if Israel stopped their attacks, and this peace held for a matter of hours before there were accusations flying in both directions of attacks.
Trump got all mad about it and said, We basically have two countries that have been fighting so long and so hard that they don't know what the fuck they're doing.
And he said that both sides violated the ceasefire, but it was back in effect and everything was fine.
So things are fine.
jordan holmes
I mean, it was, it is nice to hear the first honest thing he said about the Middle East, which is, yeah, nobody knows what the fuck they're doing.
So that's fair.
That's nice too, we're all in agreement there.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't I don't know if it's right the way he means it, but Probably not.
Probably not.
jordan holmes
There's a larger sense of this is not going well.
And if it was, we wouldn't be here.
alex jones
Shit's bad.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex covers this news of the attack of Iran responding, attacking this base in Qatar.
Yeah.
And I noticed that his sourcing is interesting.
alex jones
We are back live into our number two.
There are reported, and we see the video, ongoing attacks with ballistic missiles over the main US military, navy and air force base in the Middle East, Qatar.
All the other bases are on alert.
There are reports of missiles coming in and hitting bases in Iraq.
We are tracking that.
As it unfolds, we're getting a Nick Sortor post with a corporate media report that they're saying that none of the missiles, according to the Pentagon, hit any of the US bases.
We don't know if that's because the Patriot battery stopped them or because the Iranians, as they did in 2020, fired them into the desert or into an unpopulated area.
dan friesen
I want to bring sharp attention to what's going on here.
Alex is covering this unfolding situation where there may be a world war starting.
And the source he's pointing to is something that Nick Sortor posted on Twitter.
If you're watching Alex's show, then you might just think to yourself, I can just follow Nick Sortor on Twitter and get the exact same information that Alex has.
This show really is just watching a guy read Twitter and say, I knew that was going to happen.
And at a certain point, you can just cut out the middleman.
You can read Twitter yourself and tell yourself that you knew that that was going to happen and get about the same kind of juice out of it.
But if you go a step deeper, you'll notice that Nick Sortor's tweet is just him posting a clip from the corporate news.
If you wanted all of the information that's available here, you could just watch the corporate news.
You're just getting the exact same product with layers of bullshit editorial spin added on top of it by people who are desperate to pretend that they're not just stealing contact from actual journalists.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
Without the corporate news actually doing the work here, Nick wouldn't have this clip to post on his Twitter with his narrative attached, and then Alex wouldn't have a tweet to cover on his show.
They should tip CNN is what I'm saying.
They deserve a cut.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah.
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's pathetic the way that these people just they rely on the thing that they decry so much.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I guess they're just parasites really.
You know, like they don't make anything.
They just try and extract what value and wealth they can while everyone else waits for them to die, I guess.
I don't know.
I don't know what to tell you.
dan friesen
It's very strange.
Fucking lying media, the lies of the lying media, now the corporate media is in this post from Nick Sortor.
jordan holmes
Like we needed, we needed Bob Saget back in the day, because people had to videotape things on a real magnetic thing and then send it in the mail to another human being who would value it and then maybe it would make it on TV.
We needed that.
We don't need that now.
There's no point in Saget here.
And Alex is basically the Saget of bullshit nazism.
dan friesen
Well, but the problem is that there's a difference between someone getting hit in the head with a football and news.
There's entertainment value even if you fake a home video, an America's funniest home video.
So that's fine.
If you just have any random ding dong just sending videos in, you're going to end up with a lot of like Sasquatch news.
Yep.
And that's why Nick Sortor relies on the mainstream media to actually do the work of journalism.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And he can take their things.
So it's not just a bunch of Sasquatch videos.
Anyway, Alex, I think there's an indication here of why, like, he shouldn't cover breaking news.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It's just not a good thing for him to do.
jordan holmes
Any number of reasons, but yes.
dan friesen
I think this clip highlights some of it.
alex jones
Reports of three direct hits on the air base in Qatar.
Al Udid.
Well, that's not good news if that's true.
Let's hear the audio of that clip when you get it ready.
Boy, I hope that's not true.
jordan holmes
I would like more news anchors to be, to receive breaking news and just go, Well, shit.
Fuck me, that sounds terrifying.
I hope that's not true.
Anyway, we'll see you right next after Target commercials.
dan friesen
Here's the thing I saw on Twitter, hope that's bullshit, boom boy.
jordan holmes
Hope, hope that's not true.
Anyway, we'll see you later.
Let's go into the weather.
dan friesen
That's not a good method of news.
jordan holmes
It's raining outside.
Not outside my house.
I hope that's not true.
dan friesen
I think that, yeah, I think that there's a reason that you want a little bit of neutrality.
Sure.
jordan holmes
Maybe a little detachment even.
dan friesen
Right.
Out of a person who may be reporting breaking news.
Discipline is key.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex is just reading Twitter and I realize that a lot of this content is just him stressing himself out reading tweets.
Yeah, yeah, it's crazy.
There's no need for this.
alex jones
Bahrain and Kuwait bases now have active air sirens going off.
Now is that in response to thinking they may be about to strike or is this accurate?
Nick Sorder is almost always accurate.
He tracks everything.
jordan holmes
Is he?
alex jones
The Iranian government is now saying it fired the same amount of missiles at US assets as bombs the US dropped on them.
Well, they dropped how many of the big bunker busters?
Fifteen in total on the three different sites.
But then there was also what, twenty something cruise missiles?
So do the math, that would be So if this is accurate and shorter, you know, only goes off what the Iranians are saying, then it would look like this is a face saving situation.
Again, if you're a new listener and just tuned in, Trump is on record and the Iranians confirmed it, it was all face saving in 2020 over the Soleimani getting killed when they launched those eighteen missiles at the base in Iraq and had them a couple miles away, hit sand dunes.
I don't know.
But if they hit real targets and people get killed, you know Trump's going to escalate, and that means they've decided to escalate.
And last week when he gave them two weeks, they said, no, screw you.
So that's why he went ahead and green lit it.
And I said on Thursday, I said, I don't believe they're going to back down at this point.
So I don't know.
I'm on the edge of my seat.
This is absolute torture.
dan friesen
So stop.
You don't need to do this.
This is not like why, but why it's fascinating to be this show, this exact show.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's such an interesting snapshot because it's just a guy kind of making himself nervous.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's Yeah.
There's no information that's being added to the, like, you're not getting good analysis of Qatar, Iran, Israel, Trump, anything of it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You're just watching a guy kind of be like, maybe the world is going to explode.
Maybe it's not.
Maybe it's facesaving.
Maybe we're all dead, but maybe we're not.
Who knows?
Let's check Nick Sortor''s Twitter.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's stupid.
jordan holmes
I okay, okay.
So listening to this, it feels like I'm watching a mouse, right?
And it's programmed, if it presses a button, it'll get a little shock.
And at first you're like, oh, this shock is on, I don't like it.
But it keeps pressing the button.
And then it never stops pressing the button.
Because the only thing that it lives for is the tiny little shock.
That one little shock gets it to the next little shock.
And that's what it feels like listening to Alex Jones.
Like he's just going like, oh, they're doing this.
I got it.
Okay.
dan friesen
Give me another tweet.
Give me another tweet.
jordan holmes
I'll write a tweet, give me a tweet.
They're doing this, but then tomorrow, nothing of it happened.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Right?
Like, what are you doing?
dan friesen
I don't know.
I mean, the civil war is still looming in the background.
Alex is not, he doesn't care about that.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
Take your daughter fishing for once.
dan friesen
It would be nice.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
dan friesen
So, you know, I think a lot of this is Twitter.
He's obviously just scrolling Twitter, finding things that work and then responding to them.
But at a certain point, more intelligence is coming in.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And that's very exciting.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
But it's it's still taking shape.
So Alex needs to do a plug and then he'll get to that intelligence.
jordan holmes
I'm fucking hate this world.
alex jones
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Oh, yes.
I'm just a little distracted with the air attacks and how important it is.
jordan holmes
Oh.
alex jones
Give me the big news in a moment.
I'm still co-writing it.
Bring in that Mario Nafall information, please.
These guys are the best at just scooping all the latest data, my crew and them as well.
But I'm still co-writing the good news.
I just got, hoping it is.
Good.
It looks, it looks good.
It looks good.
dan friesen
It looks good.
jordan holmes
Is it good?
dan friesen
Yeah, because Trump or Alex has seen another tweet from Mario Nafall that he's like, this is good.
This is his other intellect.
His other intellect that's coming in is another guy on Twitter.
jordan holmes
This is horrifying.
It is.
dan friesen
It is so stupid.
Now, if you want to be driven crazy.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
To the point where you're going to jump off the balcony.
jordan holmes
I do.
dan friesen
Okay, listen to Alex say this.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
Because during the break, I was looking at some of the comments on X going through videos.
I love to see what people say.
I find a lot of intellect I wouldn't have thought of.
And they're like, what's Jones talking about?
What do you mean Trump made a deal with Iran to do limited strikes?
That's made up.
Just dealing with the level of the public that is just now becoming politically.
involved and militarily informed.
It's like talking to two year olds or it's like you're an auto mechanic that's been doing it for fifty years.
You're a master mechanic and then someone comes in that has never any mechanic work and you're telling them how things work and they're like, you don't know that.
How do you know how that works?
It's just frustrating people.
dan friesen
Yeah, people are stupid on Twitter.
That's what you're going to find when you do.
All you do is like cruise around on Twitter, try and find hot tweets, find comments on tweets to try and give yourself an angle you can steal for something, get some intellect.
Of course, you're going to run into a bunch bunch of stupid people saying stupid shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Why would a 50-year-old man be complaining about this?
jordan holmes
I mean, it's not like, oh man, everyone to these places I go to, they're all fucking demons.
They're all a bunch of assholes.
Every time I go to these places, they're all a bunch of assholes.
Now, admittedly, I only go to hell.
That could be, I could have something to do with it.
I could be going to a place where only the thing I'm complaining about exists.
Maybe I shouldn't be on comment boards.
dan friesen
Everyone at this Klan rally is a fucking racist.
jordan holmes
A bunch of racists up here.
dan friesen
They're just interested in their tax policy.
jordan holmes
This person over here, he's got good intelligence., but he's got his face covered with the mask.
dan friesen
I think that this is just so sad.
And what I love about this is the stakes of what's going on is that Trump has bombed Iran and Iran is responding.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So there's a real tension point right here in the world, in the real world.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And Alex's show, as he's covering this, is just dicking around on Twitter and then whining about how people don't respect him enough on Twitter.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And how people are dumb on Twitter.
It's pathetic.
The juxtaposition of this really highlights how stupid he is.
jordan holmes
It feels like he uses the YouTube comments as his as his like his thumb sucking he's sucking his thumb.
There's a lot of stuff going on.
He's anxious but also he's happy now but also he could be anxious at any moment again.
News can change that fast.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Right.
So he goes to the comments sections to hear people go like you were right all the time, Alex.
And he's like, yeah, I was right all the time.
But then sometimes people go, what the fuck are you talking about?
And then not even his thumb sucking helps him anymore.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
This is sad.
dan friesen
I think that's a there's a part of it that is that self-sugging.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then I think that there's another part of it that is kind of a dark reflection of the way that the media, you know, need tos to make a horse race out of an election.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
It has to be 50-50.
Even if if you're reporting on things honestly, it shouldn't be.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we shouldn't even be talking about it.
Let's face it.
Right.
dan friesen
The media requires that or else it becomes like you're obviously too biased or whatever.
jordan holmes
Never gone wrong before.
dan friesen
So the dark reflection of that for Alex is that simultaneously Iran has to be nuking us and it's facesaving.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Both of these things have to be 50-50 true or else like, what is the show?
If Iran isn't doing anything, then Trump is in.
He's in bed with this kind of war theater.
That's not good.
If you land on that.
No.
And the other side of it is they're not coordinating and Iran is about to nuke all the U.S. All the sleeper cells are about to be activated in the United States.
jordan holmes
Your mom's dead.
dan friesen
Both of these things have to be true because both have to be false.
Yes.
And Alex needs like he needs that and that's what's preserved by like, let's go on Twitter and find Intel.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's why that's why I've found a lot of people like to read books, you know, instead of just scrolling through Twitter.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
As far as information is concerned.
But maybe I'm wrong.
dan friesen
That's because it's actual, like, I don't know, in terms of when on the scale of information to not information, information is better than not information.
jordan holmes
Tends to be.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So I think that there's a little bit of an infuriating element to Alex complaining about how stupid people are on Twitter when he's just stealing Twitter shit to yell about in his show.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
It's very frustrating as his words were.
dan friesen
But when he starts complaining about Ted Cruz because of he did that interview with Tucker.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And embarrassed himself by not knowing the population of Iran and various other count things.
Alex says something about Ted Cruz that he should punch himself.
jordan holmes
Let's hear it.
alex jones
Okay, I want to show one more thing that I'm going to your calls, because this just shows the mindlessness and the propaganda of people like Ted Cruz.
When Tucker Carlson interviewed him last week, it was like, do you know, you know about their weapons systems?
You know about their population?
You know about who the alliances are?
He's like, I don't need to know anything of that.
I just know they're bad.
Well, do you know their population?
No.
Well, it's three times the size of Iraq, three times the population.
And Ted Cruz post Tucker Carlson interviewing Luke Skywalker, what is the population of the Death Star?
And J. Dyer says, Ted Cruz has to appeal to his evangelical boomer audience using children's sci-fi because that's the maturity level of evangelical boomers.
It really is.
dan friesen
So leaving aside the very obvious Sorry.
jordan holmes
What were you going to say?
You were going to say something that was very obvious.
dan friesen
Was that your Chewbacca impression?
jordan holmes
It could have been.
I mean, it's so puerile and infantile to make a children's sci-fi reference that I wouldn't do it.
dan friesen
I mean, this is really him insulting his own audience and his own methodology could, like, devastate.
I think that there's something Deeply, deeply, obviously awful about that.
But also, let's think about this for a second.
What is Alex doing?
He's reporting on something J. Dyer tweeted about something Ted Cruz tweeted about an interview Tucker did.
This is like forthhand coverage of an editorial interview.
This is crazy.
unidentified
It is they're so obsessed with Twitter.
jordan holmes
The idea is essentially supposed to be I am creating or not creating, but I am curating the information that you receive.
Thus, I am in control of the conversation.
that you have will be based around the information that I give you.
If you all I'm I guess assume that into, well, now I'm just another person on Twitter.
I just have a you can just watch me.
Unlike other people on Twitter who tweet things and you have to read those words, I am going to tweet things at Twitter and you can see me.
That's not, that's not anything.
That's nothing.
That's emptiness.
dan friesen
No.
And I think that the way that I would compare it is like, okay, at the bottom of this is an interview that Tucker Carlson did with Ted Cruz.
Yeah.
If you're covering J. Dyer tweeting something Ted Cruz tweeted about the interview itself, like you don't know what happened in that interview.
You don't know that you can't really speak competently or anything about the actual interview.
Yeah.
In the same way that I could tell you Emmanuel Kant sucks.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
You don't know anything, but you could just say, hey, he sucks.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he does.
dan friesen
You don't know anything about Kant though from me telling you he sucks.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I know he sucks.
dan friesen
The primary piece of it you still have no familiarity with.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You're getting no actual information except for I think Kant sucks.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Alex is just reporting to us that J. Dyer thinks Ted Cruz sucks.
Yep.
And that J. Dyer apparently thinks the way that Alex talks to his own audience is infantile.
jordan holmes
Yep.
And, and even back in the day when Twitter was Twitter, the Twitter that we remember from things, right?
It would still be too late.
You're already fourth in line for the conversation's already gone.
The conversation's moved on.
You're too late.
What are you doing?
Wasting your own time.
dan friesen
So Alex is talking about this J. Dyer tweet about Ted Cruz's tweet about Tucker's interview.
jordan holmes
I want to explode.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I want to just explode.
Yeah.
Well, yeah.
dan friesen
You might like this then., this might be a soothing balm for you.
jordan holmes
A soothing balm.
dan friesen
Yeah, because Alex says something that I think is one of the craziest things he's ever said on air.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
And if I mean, I took a shower this morning.
No, that's crazier.
alex jones
Tucker spent years and years in the Middle East, that's been his beat.
And when he was 17, sent down to Iran Contra to be with the Contras by his dad, high level CIA.
And then Tucker got refused entry into the CIA.
But the point is, is that he's been working for the guys, the bad guys, but he admits he woke up fifteen years ago and is now on our team and came to the city fourteen years ago to apologize to me.
He's on our team, one hundred percent.
dan friesen
Wait, so Tucker is a CIA agent?
jordan holmes
Yeah, what are you talking about?
dan friesen
He just outed a CIA agent.
unidentified
How safe could you possibly be?
jordan holmes
Oh my God.
dan friesen
Yeah, so if anything of that's true, Alex should probably be killed, right?
I mean, like he's he's if Tucker is a CIA agent, Alex has blown his cover.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Alex has committed I guess.
Arguably treason.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
Do you remember what happened with Valerie Plame?
jordan holmes
Right.
Okay.
Right.
But if I'm the CIA, right, and Alex Jones has outed an agent, I go, well, this is the best job I've ever taken.
Sure, I'm a CIA agent.
It doesn't help your case if I am or I'm not.
dan friesen
Do you mean if you're Tucker?
jordan holmes
No, yeah, if you're Alex, if Alex is calling you a CIA agent and you are a CIA agent, you're like, yeah, then yeah, come on.
What does it matter?
You can't do anything to me.
dan friesen
Well, yeah, the source that this is coming from is, is not you're not endangered by this Oh my God.
This revelation.
jordan holmes
What?
But even so, even if your idea is this guy was recruited into the CIA, wink, wink, he was rejected, wink, wink, into the CIA, and then he comes to me.
dan friesen
And he apologizes.
jordan holmes
Okay, first off, let's go with just how many layers of, okay, he was rejected, which to to you means that he was accepted.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Right?
So he apologized, which to you should mean he is still in the CIA manipulating you.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Right?
You'd have to be pretty fucking dumb to not think that, like, oh, this person is running a game.
jordan holmes
You're the least trustworthy person in the world if you're Tucker and you're also lying about being a CIAIA agent.
dan friesen
And second, like, his dad was high level.
It's generational thing.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
It's something that he's been doing since he was a kid when he was sent to Iran Contra.
jordan holmes
I mean, like, even if I think of Tucker as a untrustworthy person, even without him also having a underlying lie that controls everything he does.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So then to add on top of that, like, oh, and also he's probably an agent of the government who's been tracking me and following me for my entire adult career.
dan friesen
Tucker's my handler.
jordan holmes
Right?
How is that not what he just said?
You are saying that as if if it was a joke, but I think one to one that could be distilled as to what he literally just said.
dan friesen
No, it's not, but it's the kind of thing that a conspiratorial brain would come up with having heard that.
If you believe these things are true and you're like, hey, what's going on here?
Like in the same way that Alex says that his dad was like in MK Ultra.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
It's like, okay, you know that the conspiratorial angle on this is going to be that you are the child of Mengele.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, I'm just saying that it's reasonable if I have a friend who I think joined the CIA and was, he's ly literally coming to me and lying to me about it.
How do I then go like, oh, well, this apology is honest?
dan friesen
I think the implication here is that Alex is pretending that Tucker has told him that he's CIA.
So Tucker is not lying to him.
Right, but he's not lying to everyone else.
jordan holmes
But that's part of the manipulation because he's in the you can't trust him.
dan friesen
Yeah.
No, here's what I struggle with.
I don't think this happened.
I mean, I know that Tucker did come to Austin and did an interview with Alex where they sort of settled their beef.
Sure.
A bit in advance of Trump.
Like it was before that.
Sure.
So I know that that did happen.
What Alex is referring to as he came and apologized to me.
But I don't think there's a revelation of him being CIA.
I don't think that part is real.
But if it did happen, if he's telling the truth or if he's lying, Tucker, in that situation, don't trust him.
You can't.
jordan holmes
You can't.
dan friesen
Because if he's lying to you, then there's a reason he's lying to you about being in the CIA.
He had some kind of agenda.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
If he's not lying to you and that he is in the CIA, then this telling you it is probably part of the whole thing.
It's part of the whole thing.
jordan holmes
It's part of the whole thing.
Everything is a layer of the whole thing.
There's only one thing.
dan friesen
Either way, Alex is really good at respecting privacy., keeping secrets.
jordan holmes
Here's another, here's a problem that I have that I feel like keeps popping up is Iran Contra doesn't seem to be a problem at all to anyone anymore.
It's just a historical thing that happened.
It's not like, hey, the people involved were lying and the whole thing and it's against the law and all this stuff and they never face consequences for it.
dan friesen
Like, we're all just in peace, Larry Nichols.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
All right, pee buddy.
dan friesen
Hard rate stuff, right?
And also, Larry, Larry Nichols, the Iran Contra has become like MKUltra.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's become such a generalized term that like, what are you even talking about?
jordan holmes
They sold guns.
Guns for Coca-Cola to sell for guns.
I don't even know what their plan was really.
Rice.
Yeah, exactly.
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
So in this next clip, Alex says something that I think will be fun to revisit later, because I think it's fun.
jordan holmes
It's probably going to age well.
dan friesen
It's going to age well.
alex jones
I bet.
And anyone saying we should shut up is very unamerican.
I get lots of you need to move to wherever.
You need to get out of here.
You're a manga imposter.
Yeah, right.
I was fighting the New World War, most of you were in diapers.
And we're on record with the polls.
They didn't battle around states.
Roger Stones talked about it.
Even the Democrats admitted it.
That's why they hate me.
That my audience, you the activist in the Battle Royale States put him over the top in 2016.
So we took Trump, this broadcast, you, it's not just me, literally, it's you.
You carried Trump over the finish line into the end zone.
He belongs to us.
dan friesen
He's ours.
jordan holmes
Oh boy.
dan friesen
He's ours.
I take credit for me and my audience made him the president.
We installed him and thank God he's going to reveal everything about Epstein.
jordan holmes
Yes, we got him elected, something that I am proud to say, despite knowing and in fact having a best friend who is convicted of tam tampering with said election that we were in charge of and take responsibility for.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's cool.
It's cool.
This is not going to be something that might become a little bit of an anchor around his neck.
jordan holmes
I mean, I just want to associate myself with the guy who does everything I say he's not doing.
dan friesen
So Alex takes some calls and he gets a call from a guy who's like, I think Trump might be a lizard person.
jordan holmes
I'm in.
I think lizard people conspiracies, it's time they come back.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This guy is like, this is not the same Trump he's been taken over.
jordan holmes
Fantastic.
dan friesen
Right?
And I think something clicks inside Alex's mind.
That he's like, I think this works.
jordan holmes
We got to walk in, we got to falsify Trump.
We got to walk in Trump.
All right, now we're talking, kick this into a new gear.
unidentified
Yeah, so Alex decides maybe, you know, maybe they've replaced Trump.
dan friesen
Yeah, man, let's see what we can do with this.
alex jones
All right, I've been thinking about saying this, and I'm not held back on it because I'm hiding something.
I've known about this for a while, and I've got more information on it.
And you pretty much have already seen what I'm talking about.
Once I say it, you'll know everything, because you already knew it.
unidentified
But.
alex jones
But Trump is not a bad person.
jordan holmes
This one isn't.
alex jones
But under all the incredible pressure he's been put under, there are different types of people.
And there are people, the more you mess with them, the stronger they get and the meaner they get.
And instead of cracking down, they kind of crack up.
Not crack up like in pieces, they transform.
And Trump, you know, is way calmer, way more focused.
It seems like he doesn't care in when the media taxes him anymore.
He literally got to the point of not giving a f is what you heard last year in July.
And all the pressure on his family and all the endless hours and all the work.
And he definitely is a different person.
And I've had it described to me by people very close to him.
And let's just say he is beyond confident at this point.
He was already really confident before, but Trump thinks he's invincible.
There you have it.
Is that a good thing or a bad thing?
Because what do you think?
dan friesen
It's bad.
alex jones
Cultivate this idea of being dangerous and reckless and hard to be predicted, unpredictable.
dan friesen
That's bad.
That's bad.
So this caller had called in and talked about like maybe lizard person, that kind of shit.
And Alex is tiptoeing here.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's saying Trump's a different person.
jordan holmes
Maybe he's been changed.
dan friesen
He's changed.
He's calm.
He feels like he's invincible, which all these things sound megalomaniacal and like we should probably 5150 the present.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
That doesn't sound true at all.
dan friesen
But I thought, okay, Alex is.
when I was listening to this, the impression I got was Alex is trying to smooth off the rough edges of what this caller has just said.
He's trying to make it like, okay, we're not going to go lizard person.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But we're going to go with something along the lines of Trump has a different energy.
Sure.
Something shifted.
Sure.
Maybe they kidnapped his dog or something like that.
jordan holmes
Who knows?
dan friesen
You know, it seems like it's still within the realm of like not supernatural.
jordan holmes
It seems now maybe I'm maybe I'm just boring.
Maybe I'm just boring.
Maybe I'm lazy.
Because it feels to me like the low hanging fruit is I wouldn't ask anyone Trump's age to do anything, let alone run the world.
You know?
dan friesen
He is, yeah.
jordan holmes
I wouldn't be like, Hey, could you go down to the store and grab something very light within your ability to count?
No, I can go do that myself.
I definitely don't want you to run the whole world.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's he should be relaxing in his year.
jordan holmes
Yeah, go another place.
dan friesen
It's not, this is not the time for that.
That's true.
But what if, what if now?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is, this is going to, this is going to be tough to hear.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
What if Trump has been engaging too much with the flesh?
jordan holmes
I mean, do I think Trump has been taking a godly amount of Viagra to fuck as many strange women as he possibly can?
dan friesen
No, no, no, no, no.
You're binds in the gutter.
jordan holmes
Oh, you I am.
dan friesen
When you engage with the flesh, okay.
It's not engaging with the spiritual enough.
Okay.
Not being connected with God.
You are just your meat.
jordan holmes
So does he drink too many Diet Cokes?
dan friesen
Probably.
jordan holmes
Okay.
That sounds right.
dan friesen
I don't know.
He's doing that and I might have ended up getting him a demon.
alex jones
And it's such a big thing.
I need to write notes about it.
I've been thinking about it for about a month, I've been thinking about talking about this.
But the reason I haven't talked about it is I don't know what I think about it yet.
Because it's such a big deal.
Like, I'm going to break, come back.
I don't want to like it myself, this is because you all have been through it.
Under the attacks, under the demonization, under my family being attacked, all the things that went on, I was just kind of fighting the globalists, doing my job, believing in humanity, but never wanted to really turn on the juice and really be aggressive.
It was almost like it was embarrassing to me if I really leveled up.
And I just made the decision last year to level up.
And now I knew what would happen.
Now it's happening again.
And now my discernment and my aggression and my prowess is intensifying.
And I can see where this goes.
It's not satanic, but it's the flesh.
And the satanic can interface with the flesh when you turn on too much of your innate berserker, barbarian, Viking power.
And I'll just say it, that's what it is.
So it's very dangerous.
And you can tell Trump's jacked in to the Holy Spirit more than ever and the flesh more than ever.
unidentified
It's quite a mix.
dan friesen
It's quite a not using Star Wars analogies.
He's he's he's talking like real mature intellectual stuff.
unidentified
Like, yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, there's that old, you know, like whatever gets you there.
You know, that kind of thought.
Listen, I'm not going to take you on this trip.
You have to get there and as long as we end up in the same place, that's fine.
You know, like, but that's not, that's not always the case.
This is not getting there.
This is not getting there.
dan friesen
It's, it's pretty dumb.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
So as a rule, I would say, if you hear someone talking like that, what Alex is getting into, you can walk away.
Nothing, nothing good is coming after that.
Like, you're not going to get get some profound insight right after.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
Here's the thing.
Let me just make it clear for you.
If you're into the flesh, which Trump is super into, then you're going to have a demon.
But Trump is also super into the Holy Spirit, and he's super into the flesh, which we know means he has a demon, so he's got one hundred percent Holy Spirit and one hundred percent demon in him simultaneously, and that way I can do whatever I want to do tomorrow.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
As for Alex here, I think this is a really good call.
On june 23, it does look like the situation with Iran hasn't exploded and the retaliatory strikes they did.
were mostly a face saving measure, so the emergency is deescalated.
But Trump still bombed them, which is pretty impossible to justify to the audience, so Alex is still in hot water with that.
The clock ticking, that's gone.
But Alex has to realize that this thread is still untangling for Trump, and he doesn't want to just go down with the ship.
Alex is planting seeds here that he can try to grow later if he wants, with these very subtle suggestions that maybe Trump has been possessed by a demon.
If it's possible that Trump's got a demon in him, then the status quo of supporting Trump can be maintained.
But if you have to bail at some point, you could just find that little bit.
of evidence that you were missing that shows that he's possessed.
Alex is even trying to give this some credibility by backdating this shit, pretending that he's been thinking about talking about it for a month.
This is a great narrative.
It's got supernatural intrigue, it allows Alex to ditch Trump if things get too hard, and there's zero commitment.
He can just never bring this up again, and no one will call him on it because it sounds fucking silly to ask for clarification about a demon theory.
So, like, this is, this is like, okay, well, if this feels good to say, I can develop this later if I want, but then I can also just pretend I didn't do it.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah, let's just do a let's just do a full reboot., say that Trump got taken over comic book style by a symbiote or whatever it is.
dan friesen
A George Bush demon.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
Done.
Moving on, now we can get rid of Trump, but we can still say that everything Trump did believe in the last decade was not a waste of our time.
Absolutely not a waste of time.
dan friesen
We were not wrong.
jordan holmes
We were not conned.
We were not conned at all.
No, everything worked exactly as we wanted it to be, until this moment when he was possessed by the demon of George W. Bush.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Is he dead yet?
dan friesen
Deus ex Bushina.
jordan holmes
Oh, God, I can't believe he's still alive.
dan friesen
Yeah, this actually ironically, this caller called in was saying crazy dumb shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
But it's the sms crazy dumb shit, but it is indeed the smartest thing to say.
dan friesen
Well, because like, there's no standards.
There's no rules.
There's no rules.
You can get away with just about whatever you want.
jordan holmes
Why wouldn't you?
dan friesen
Yeah, so this is this solves a lot of the literary problems, the sort of narrative problems that Alex has.
jordan holmes
And it's the judo of like, how do we get off this train?
Aha, we get him off the train.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
With the demon.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Boom, baby.
jordan holmes
Now the train is off.
Perfect.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex talks a little bit about this energy, this demon stuff that might.
jordan holmes
Demon that might have possessed Donald J. Trump.
Who's chosen by God?
You're chosen by God.
dan friesen
God King.
All plans of mice and men and How is this how God works?
I don't know.
Okay.
But Alex does cite a scholar at the end of this.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
And I'm not saying it's even satanic energy.
It's more of just man's titanic will that you can activate.
And you have to be careful with it because I've gone through some similar things, nothing compared to this yet.
And instead of giving up, I just decided to overcome it, defeat it.
And then it just turns on all these primal energies that can swerve into devil's territory.
So you can you feel the Holy Spirit more and you feel the evil more.
It's very metaphysical.
jordan holmes
Is it?
alex jones
That's what it is.
It's not like putting on the ring of Mordor, but it gets close.
So here's a clip of Mike Tyson explaining it.
When God favors you, so does the devil.
unidentified
When you're favored by God, you're also favored by the devil.
He's coming for you too.
So you just have to be strong to stay on the right side.
Which side are you going to go on?
He's going to give you power too.
He's going to get into your head too, but it's whose side are you going to stay with.
You stay with who brought you here.
You go home with the guy who brought you to the dance.
alex jones
And he goes on talking about, I could win any of these fights, but I had to literally the devil on my shoulders say, Don't do it, or I would have killed these people.
dan friesen
Would you like to lick this toad?
jordan holmes
I'm going to lick this toad.
I would like more conversation ending situations to involve.
And now listen to this as Mike Tyson explains it.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's grand.
dan friesen
Now listen to me.
The president might be getting too into the flesh and that leads him to be open to demon possession.
jordan holmes
That's your taste, Mike Tyson.
I I I know, it'd be great if I was in like, if you know that day you're in sixth grade class and the substitute teacher gives you like a little primer and then he's like, and now for more, Bill Nye is going to explain how to make this little experiment.
This is what Mike Tyson is for in 2025.
dan friesen
Right.
Certain people can control the weather through magic.
For more on that.
That bam bam bigalo.
jordan holmes
Boom, here we go.
Let's see, what do you have?
dan friesen
Okay.
All right.
jordan holmes
Why not make random figures correspondents for all kinds of random things?
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
And now our expert on trees, fucking Johnny Knoxville.
He's a real, yeah, I mean, why not?
dan friesen
Humans are able to teleport.
You just aren't allowing yourself to do so.
For more on the story, we go to The Junkyard Dog.
Turned into another old pro wrestler.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know.
dan friesen
La Parca.
So Alex is like, hey man, we might have a demon Trump on our hands.
jordan holmes
Right, of course.
dan friesen
And you know whose fault it is?
jordan holmes
Kissinger?
dan friesen
The left.
jordan holmes
Oh, what?
alex jones
Come on you, when you get power, whatever you want to call it, that's metaphysical, and here he is the most powerful person in the world that's gone through all these trials, the whole world, even his enemies admire him, Trump is on a pretty trip.
You can call it what you want, but he has to be careful and he has to be humble, because this is the stuff of danger we're dealing with.
We'll be right back.
Hey, the left doing this helped create him.
How do you feel now, fools?
unidentified
Fools?
dan friesen
You fools?
jordan holmes
I think this is excellent.
This is actually something that we should all be very grateful for.
And everyone listening should keep this clip available with you, okay?
Because any time someone in the future may have some sort of argument like, Oh, well, let's make this compromise with them now because, No, wrong, wrong.
It doesn't matter, it is your fault because they don't like you, because they can't deal with themselves.
There will never, anything that Trump does will never be their fault.
It will always be our fault, despite telling them not to do it.
dan friesen
Yeah, and if Trump disappoints, then it's our fault for the left shouldn't have been going along with him or something.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
and accidentally created Demon Trump.
jordan holmes
It would have, hey, listen, Trump would have been great if you guys had been nicer to him.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
But now look at us.
Now we all have to suffer through this demon who I totally am, who isn't doing the thing you told me he was going to do.
dan friesen
Great.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I mean, this is stupid.
Like this kind of, like, why did you have to be so mean to him and you ended up creating this negative outcome?
Like, if I really wanted to play that game, which I absolutely don't.
Yeah.
I think I would just be like, okay, then Alex caused the Iraq war by saying that Bush did 911.
unidentified
Yeah.
Oh.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
What does it mean?
It doesn't mean anything.
jordan holmes
No, I mean, I feel Pilot.
I feel Pontius Pilot so hard now, just like that idea of, you know what?
Yeah, you guys, you can solve this problem.
Right?
Whatever you want to do.
I don't care.
I don't care.
Fuck you.
dan friesen
Yeah, crazy.
I don't feel that way because I know the consequences that are going to come are going to hurt a lot of people who don't deserve to get hurt.
And I don't trust people like Alex and them to solve a problem.
jordan holmes
I would be surprised if they could.
dan friesen
Yeah, if they all lived in a bubble and they were fighting, I would say, I don't really care.
Sure.
But because it affects so many other people.
jordan holmes
So what you have just admitted is that you're on board with my bubble idea.
dan friesen
I don't I don't think your bubble idea is an idea.
unidentified
Ah!
jordan holmes
Then we put them in a bubble.
Right.
dan friesen
That doesn't It's not it's not a thing we can take steps towards.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
There's a giant bubble.
unidentified
Yeah, I just the logistics They had a biodome?
dan friesen
That was a movie.
jordan holmes
We got at least two people in one.
dan friesen
Uh huh.
jordan holmes
And one of them was a Baldwin.
We could get all the Baldwins in a bigger biodome.
dan friesen
That's fair.
So throughout this show, the tension has been, is Iran's response big attack real?
Or is it posture?
Yeah.
And it seems like we've settled on it's just face saving.
They're doing it.
They're going through the motion.
Sure.
But Alex just saw another tweet.
alex jones
Oh, bad news.
See, I said I thought it was just bad news.
That's over.
US retaliation response, US attacks, senior Iranian official tells Reuters.
But they did call the military and say the missiles are coming.
And they did say they don't want to expand the war.
And Trump just said he wanted that.
So let's hope.
I think this is all up in the air.
You heard me first hour saying I don't think this is a Kabuki theater like before.
This is so much more kinetic, so much bigger.
Israel being flattened, Iran being flattened.
Russia talking about, you know, North Korea giving nuclear weapons to them.
But we're in a whole different ball game here, folks.
So here I am celebrating as it's all over the news that Iran's backing down and then this, but I don't trust Reuters as far as I can throw.
Remember, they run wide scale deception campaigns on the public.
dan friesen
So this is a roller coaster.
I don't know what anyone is meant to think about anything.
So I just think you're at a state where it's like, I don't know what Alex is saying.
jordan holmes
I, I, we're, he's in the little tree house of horror Simpsons, like, but it comes with ice cream.
That's good news.
But the ice cream is cursed.
That's bad news.
Like, we're just going to be doing this forever.
We're just going to be going back and forth with reasons why the same thing happening is good or bad in feeling ways about it.
dan friesen
Yeah, and it makes you feel trapped.
Yeah.
It makes you feel like, okay, so do I take the ice cream or do I not?
jordan holmes
Can I go?
dan friesen
Can I go about my life or should I be worried that Iran is about to nuke me?
unidentified
You can, but you should also be worried about whether or not Okay, so now I need to learn more.
dan friesen
Are you going to tell me more?
jordan holmes
I can't, but I'm also going to.
dan friesen
I got Intel com coming in about that.
I mean, I saw a tweet.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
So this leads to a return of an energy that we haven't gotten to see in Alex in a while.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I, for one, enjoy it.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
All right, here's the big news.
And then we're going right to your phone calls.
Iran is launching missiles at US air bases in Guatar.
Doha says attacks intercepted no casualties.
Iran says it reserves all options on response to outrageous US strikes.
Iran, Israel live.
Iran says launch missiles at US air base in Guatar, Iraq on alert.
Well, that's not what I needed.
We're going to re-broadcast for a while.
It's fine.
I'm cool with it.
I understand it.
It was fifteen minutes ago.
It's Reuters that Iran says they're going to keep shooting the missiles.
I just have to have it.
Let's it's not a problem.
It's not a problem.
I'm going to take a break for a while.
I just I've hit my maximum overload here today.
So that's just where we are right now.
I'm going to have to deal with this.
dan friesen
It's cool.
It's cool.
I'm cool.
Everything's cool.
Everything's great.
jordan holmes
Alex says you're a producer.
I just want to point out that you have done this all entirely to yourself.
Just in case you were wondering.
dan friesen
And I was thinking about why this energy re emerged.
We haven't really seen him do I gotta go to rebroadcast.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's been a while.
dan friesen
And I think that to understand it, one of the ways that I helped conceive of it in my brain is like Alex is kind of a prop comic.
A prop comic is a comedian whose act relies on physical props, without which their punchlines wouldn't make sense.
If you're a prop comic and you've been building towards a punchline and when it's time to pull out the prop, your assistant has packed the wrong thing, it's gonna affect your performance.
You definitely can't just tell the joke like you planned, and you might want to storm off stage.
Alex is trying to tell a complex story on this episode, which has a bunch of ups and downs, and he needs his props to do be able to navigate it.
The bottom line is supposed to be that Trump means well, but his advisors convinced him that attacking Iran was the best thing to do for world peace.
In response to that attack, Iran could do a face saving symbolic attack or a full on attack that would indicate that this is the beginning of a world war.
The tension that's powering this show is that is it real or is it theater question, which has more or less been resolved by this point.
Qatar and Trump have said that they had advance warning of Iran's attack, which is a strong indication that this was face saving.
For Alex to continue telling this story, there needs to be create it.
He needs this prop in order to maintain the will they won't they energy on the show, and that's why he blows up at the staff when they give him the wrong thing.
The old bit of information that is like Trump knew, Qatar knew that Iran was going to shoot these missiles, that's the old bit of the roller coaster track.
That's going down.
We need the track that leads upward, and that is this insinuation that Iran is going to continue attacking.
And Alex understands he played roller coaster tycoon.
He knows how to build this thing, and he can't keep go down that downslope.
You need to bring it back up or else you're going to lose all the momentum.
And that's that's really what I feel when I hear him in this instance as a non-drunk person.
Right.
Having this reaction.
I got to get off air.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Right.
He's saying something like that.
That call packed a kick, but he's he doesn't have a shoe that's a phone.
So it sounds pretty stupid.
dan friesen
Sure.
Yeah.
So he does he does go to a special report kind of thing and then he comes back and he's boring.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That makes sense.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Kind of dull.
jordan holmes
Hey, you're supposed to go away to get drunker and angrier, So when you come back, you've really got something.
If you just go away and then calm down, now you feel kind of stupid because it's like, well, I could have just stayed.
dan friesen
Yeah.
You either go away to get drunker and angrier or get your shit in order.
And so you have information to report.
Right, right, right.
And he does neither.
And so it's just kind of like, and I think that this, this I resent a great deal, kind of.
I don't know.
I don't know if I resent it, but like it is a day that's important.
It's a day that matters in the world because you have the possibility of Iran continuing attacks against the US.
Sure.
reaching a point where shit is like the ball is just rolling in a way that, you know, has no brakes on it.
And Alex is just reading Twitter, just reading Twitter, just riffing on tweets, trying to keep both sides of it going, that this is fine and this is the end of the world at the same time.
It's just dull.
jordan holmes
Like, if you can just trap people in that state, you know, and you can, like, it's it's turned into an interesting thing to watch Alex go from being the person who's trying to trap people in that state to being trapped in it himself.
It's just like you can see it.
You can see the paralysis and the inability to even do anything.
Like he can't even do his own show.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But that is in contrast to like Alex having these shining moments.
Like when he's like, maybe Trump's got a demon in him.
jordan holmes
There's definitely that.
dan friesen
That I think is his brain still working and still recognizing like, we've got to work the angles.
We've got to figure out what we can do.
That has the air of him being his own person as opposed to just being a Twitter recap show.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I I just, I don't know.
I wish it was more of that.
I wish it was more of Trump's might have a demon in him and less what did Nick Sortorior say on Twitter?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, because it really is the only thing that makes sense.
jordan holmes
If you stick in reality, you're just going to have to create more unreality to cover the fact that the reality that you wanted is complete bullshit.
So fucking, he's got a demon in him.
Done.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Move on, skip out, cut out the middleman.
dan friesen
He's got a demon in him.
It's the same demon that attacked Tucker Carl saying he should spit the shit out of you for revealing that he's in the CIA.
jordan holmes
Azrael, the CIA attacking demon that controls Trump now.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Done.
dan friesen
We've nailed it.
jordan holmes
We've nailed the whole thing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So we'll be back to see how this demon possession progresses.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Or see if Alex abandons that plot line entirely.
jordan holmes
It would be nice.
It would be nice to keep it.
dan friesen
What if holy shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I just got it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
God Yeah.
was trying to get Alex to go to Gene Hackman.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
To save his soul.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And exercise the demon that was within Gene Hackman.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Before Gene Hackman died.
And when Gene Hackman dies a natural death without exercising the demon, the demon is released and goes to Trump.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
So not only was Alex chosen by God to save the whole world through saving Gene Hackman.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
By doing that, by not doing that, he has destroyed everything.
that he was supposed to create.
dan friesen
Yes, by not going to Eugene Hackman, like God commanded him to, this demon has run loose.
It is, it is out there.
Yeah.
And he's got into Trump and is now going to cause World War Three, a nuclear war.
And it's Alex's fucking fault.
jordan holmes
You know what's crazy?
Of all the things that we have talked about because of Alex saying that they're biblical, this one, this tracks with old time God.
This is old time God's style.
This is his, that's got his shit all over.
dan friesen
There's an irony.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
He loves that shit.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's your fault, but you didn't even know it was going to be your fault.
And now how do you feel?
Dub dub.
dan friesen
You should have listened.
jordan holmes
You should have listened.
I'm God.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I gave you two hundred fucking dreams about Gene Hackman.
jordan holmes
That's so many!
dan friesen
Too many.
jordan holmes
I didn't even need to do it.
Yeah.
I could have just given you one loud one.
dan friesen
I tried to make it obvious.
jordan holmes
I've been telling you to wake up at 2:15.
dan friesen
So we'll see how this develops.
But until then, we have whips.
jordan holmes
Indeed, we do.
It's knowledgefight dot com.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
We'll be back.
dan friesen
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I'm the mysterious professor.
unidentified
Woo!
Yeah!
Woo!
Yeah!
jordan holmes
Woo!
And now here come the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
jordan holmes
Well, Alex, I'm a first name caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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