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July 18, 2025 - Knowledge Fight
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#1057: June 21-22, 2025

In this installment, Dan and Jordan witness a 24-hour span where Alex goes all the way from "we talked Trump out of bombing Iran" to "Trump bombed Iran, just as I predicted."

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alex jones
21:51
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dan friesen
39:14
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jordan holmes
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alex jones
Andy and Kansas.
Andy and Kansas.
unidentified
Stop it.
alex jones
Andy and Kansas.
Andy and Kansas.
unidentified
Andy.
alex jones
It's time to pray.
Andy and Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding us.
unidentified
So Alex, I'm a Fitnessman Colorado.
I'm a huge fan.
james in texas
I love your work.
Knowledge Fight.
alex jones
Knowledge Fight dot com dot I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
unidentified
Welcome back.
dan friesen
Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
alex jones
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple of guys.
We like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jordan.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
dan friesen
So, what's your bright spot today, buddy?
I have to be honest with you.
Oh, yeah?
I don't have a bright spot.
jordan holmes
You don't have a bright spot today?
dan friesen
But I do have a dark spot.
Okay I'm pointing at you.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I can feel it.
dan friesen
Staring you straight in the face.
jordan holmes
You're not wearing your pinky ring, so it doesn't feel as strong.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And it's because I don't deserve to be wearing a pinky ring, because I am my own dark spot.
jordan holmes
Dark.
dan friesen
Now here's what I'm, here's what I'm saying.
Okay.
I haven't bought a Switch 2.
jordan holmes
You haven't.
dan friesen
And I told myself, what's the rush?
Who cares?
Who cares?
There's nothing to play on it.
jordan holmes
There's nothing to play on it.
dan friesen
I don't like Mario racing.
I don't like the carts.
So I can't, I can't drive.
I don't, I don't want to do that.
So I told myself, who cares?
Who cares?
It doesn't matter until Donkey Kong comes out.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
Now we're sitting here today on the day that Donkey Kong releases.
Yeah.
And I realize you don't have one.
I don't have one.
And if I had acted earlier, there's a chance that I could have one in place to play Donkey Kong on right now.
Right.
But I didn't.
I didn't, I didn't believe that today would exist in the past.
Right, right.
And so now I'm left with no Switch 2 and no Donkey Kong.
And I have no one to blame but myself.
jordan holmes
You know what I think you should do, what I like to do is I like to trifur Kate, okay?
Present Dan, disappointed in past Dan.
Future Dan, always possible to pick things up.
You know what I'm saying?
That's the way you have to view it.
Past Dan, he's a real piece of of shit.
You're never going to see him again though.
So that's nice.
dan friesen
Doesn't really exist.
jordan holmes
Doesn't really exist, he's gone.
Present Dan, you know what you need to do.
Future Dan, get on it.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's a okay pep talk.
jordan holmes
I'm trying.
dan friesen
I'm going to go get those bananas.
jordan holmes
Go get them.
Go get that Kong.
dan friesen
So what's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
My bright spot, very lovely down to earth, wonderful day date with my wife yesterday.
We walked over to the farmer's market.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
We got some ice cream cones.
Waffle cone, my friend.
dan friesen
Fresh waffle cone?
jordan holmes
Yeah, and they put ice cream in it, obviously.
We didn't just buy them in a bottle.
dan friesen
What kind of ice cream?
jordan holmes
I had milk and cookies.
Okay.
She went with the Raspberry Sour Bay.
dan friesen
Was, okay, so they have at the farmer's market, there was someone selling ice cream.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Interesting.
jordan holmes
And it was like 90 degrees.
dan friesen
That's exactly when you want ice cream.
jordan holmes
It was a perfect day, and then we made ourselves a nice little dinner.
It's fantastic.
Couldn't have been better.
dan friesen
Mate, a nice little dinner from things you got at the farmer's market?
jordan holmes
Some things, but mainly not.
Okay.
Just old groceries.
dan friesen
Sure.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's nice.
There's, you know, one of the plus sides, I guess, of living in a city is those farmer's markets do pop up.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it's cool to go in, see some nice vegetables.
jordan holmes
It's, it's fun.
It's fun.
There was a guy with fish.
And you're like, What?
A frozen fish guy, but it wasn't frozen, it was fresh fish.
dan friesen
A fish washer makes more sense to me than a ice cream guy.
That's I'm less surprised to hear that there was a fish person.
jordan holmes
Yeah, a fishmonger, a grocer, these types of things.
dan friesen
A green grocer.
jordan holmes
A green grocer, yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
Ice bagels.
Ice cream person.
It seems, I guess, I I they're probably just scooping it, right?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's not as soft as they were.
jordan holmes
They weren't, they weren't making it at the, at the moment.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
It wasn't being churned.
dan friesen
Good.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.
Uh huh.
We're going to be talking about june 21st and 22nd of 2025.
We are here in a situation where Trump is about to bomb Iran.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And the civil war in the United States is still ongoing.
And I think it's Gene Heckman.
Yes.
But these, Alex has reported to us that the fever of war has broken.
jordan holmes
The war fever, yes.
dan friesen
And that Trump has realized, like, I have to give Iran time to negotiate.
jordan holmes
This is, you know, he's he's played up our dear leader as being a masterful peacemaker.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Meanwhile, behind the scenes, Trump has already decided, I'm going to bomb Iran.
jordan holmes
Not so much a peacemaker.
dan friesen
And that is coming to a close.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And so we're going to talk, we're talking about S Saturday and Sunday.
Saturday is before the bombing.
And then Sunday is after.
So we'll see how that vibe goes.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
But first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wongs.
That's a great idea.
So first, happy birthday, Scruffy Corgi.
May we enjoy more Knowledge Fight episodes to come.
Love Chunky Chipmunk.
Thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you so much.
unidentified
Thank you.
dan friesen
Next, Dr. Stephen Jones.
Whenever we work our chests out together, we are truly working on Dr. Jones's big natural.
Thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you so much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And Sierra from Brooklyn who hates Trump and Adam jokes.
Thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk.k.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And we got a technocrat in this, Jordan.
So thank you so much too.
I finally catched up with the present, but started listening on the day you all were on STELTER because I had COVID and had never heard of Alex Jones, but the podcast sounded cool to my fevered brain.
Min Sung is real pronounced min Sung, where you make an o with your mouth but say uh.
Thank you so much.
You're not a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars.
Don't honk your mouth and tell it you're brilliant.
alex jones
Someone, someone, Sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
Daddy Sharp.
Bump, bump, bump, bump, bump.
Jar Jar Binksh has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser little, little kidney.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much.
dan friesen
That really is our target demo.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
People with fevers fevered brains fevered.
jordan holmes
Why would I do this?
Well, you weren't in your health at the time.
It's fun now, but you got you got to be in a different place to get there.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So we start off on the 21st.
This is Saturday.
Alex has no business doing the show on his day off.
jordan holmes
No, really.
dan friesen
Whatever.
He's doing the show.
Why not?
And he's discussing a little bit of a conflict that we've I've mentioned is present and cannot be resolved.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And that is that everyone on the right who's calling for fre war?
They're saying Iran is about to have a bomb.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And Alex is saying they have 100 bombs.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
They got all the nuclear.
jordan holmes
So many fucking bombs.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And so Alex is discussing how he knows that.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
I know people are smart.
unidentified
Do you?
alex jones
A lot of people are intelligent.
jordan holmes
Are they?
alex jones
But most people are smart in this area or that area.
They're informed in a few areas, but not a lot of other areas.
Don't have general historical and then current knowledge.
And I know the media will kind of put out two different stories.
We're supposed to decide which of the two is true.
I didn't start saying this month that Iran.
has atomic weapons.
I've been saying it for 15 years and I got it directly from a source in SentCom.
And then over the years, I talked to other people in intelligence and in the first Trump administration and others, and they said, yes, that's that's indeed true and that's a very closely guarded secret.
Now, I have a track record of having a lot of inside sources on many big stories that later break it and confirmed.
But if you just look at the logic of all this, you're supposed to be for Iran or for Israel., you say, yeah, they're always two weeks away for 25 years.
And if you're pro-Iran, you say, oh, no, no, they don't have a nuclear program.
Even though they've officially had one before to try to get a bomb.
Well, I don't go with the two narratives.
go with the information I have.
And to put it simply, when you are manufacturing products,
Many different ways, but through a vent in the front of the car's grill, and then it goes into a scoop and gets the samples that are then taken that scoop and processed through different types of spectrometers and other devices.
Then they can also scan from the air and from satellites, but it's even more accurate on the ground to actually get the samples.
And that's what I was told by folks I really trust.
And I'll just leave it at that.
dan friesen
So in the interest of treating Alex.
as fairly as possible, I will get his back on the fact that he hasn't just started saying that Iran has nuclear weapons.
He said that for a long time, though the importance of them having these weapons varies depending on the world situation.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Sometimes it's a huge deal and sometimes it's brushed aside, but either way, it's not a new development, he's right, he's not making that up.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Alex actually thinks pretty much everyone has nuclear weapons and that they're an outdated form of weaponry compared to the magic laser stuff that we secretly have now.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
So, yeah, anyone saying that he's a Johnny come lately to this idea is not right.
jordan holmes
Then what was Stuxnet about?
dan friesen
Who knows?
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
dan friesen
That was a false flag,ag, probably.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it makes sense.
dan friesen
So I want to talk about Alex's evidence that backs up his idea that Iran has the bomb.
Okay.
He says that they have readings from these snoopers on the ground from analyzing air captured by cars running around in Iran.
Alex says that he has this from people he trusts and he's going to leave it at that.
And there's a really good reason that he's just leaving it at that.
It's because this is just something that one of his relatives told him when he was a kid.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
dan friesen
He has no evidence about any of this data collected by snooper cars.
This is just some stray gossip that he's passing along from one of his patriot ass relatives.
Yeah.
So he has talked about that in some fairly recent episodes where he's he's like, you know, you could choose to believe this stuff or not, is what my family told me.
Yeah.
And I don't.
jordan holmes
That has that has very strong comeback vibes.
You know what I mean?
Like whenever something exists mainly because I can hear someone having a conversation and then someone being pushed into a corner and somehow coming up with, they already have the bomb.
And that's, you know what I'm saying?
dan friesen
Sure.
And it's even more comeback energy when you're like, I have it from high level sources that I trust and I'll leave it at that.
jordan holmes
We don't need to talk about it any further.
You just have to trust me.
dan friesen
Right.
Yeah.
The image that you want to give off is that I don't want to betray the trust of these very legitimate, very high level sources.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But what you're actually doing is like, I don't want to admit to you that it was my uncle.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't want to admit that it was just some random shit talk.
jordan holmes
No, some guy I was talking to told me.
Why don't you, I mean, they're a high level in something.
unidentified
Cool.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So everyone is either saying Alex, you're now saying that Iran has a bomb or they're accusing him of being crazy for saying that Iran has a bomb.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And he's trapped in this weird state.
alex jones
Now Trump comes out and says yesterday, you'll play the clip in a moment, that hey.
Tulsi Gabbard's wrong.
National intelligence is wrong.
But their official assessment is wrong.
They are building a bomb.
They're very, very close.
Now, that doesn't mean then I'm supporting Israel striking them or Trump dropping bunker busters.
I'm not saying this now because I want to support Netanyahu's position.
I've been saying it for 15 years because it's what I believe is accurate.
Now, hold this thought in your mind.
There's those who can't seem to understand this.
I see a lot of you, millions and millions of views.
I talked about this yesterday.
Just shot a couple of videos in my car talking about this.
And people, a lot of people, probably a third, can't understand this.
If Israel says they're fifteen days, now fourteen days away from having it, and Trump says they're building it right now, why is it far out that I'm saying for my information they already have it?
dan friesen
This is chaos world, and there is no agreed upon reality that we share.
There is no message discipline from the administration whatsoever.
Trump appointed Tulsi to be the Director of National Intelligence, and she testified in March that Iran had not restarted their nuclear weapons program.
She's in a position to know all of the classified sensitive information, and she was clear about this perspective.
Trump doesn't want to live in that reality, so he came out and just said she was wrong..
The person he chose to run the intelligence operations of the country cannot be trusted to make a determination about the intelligence operations of our country, and he just big dogged her.
The day after Trump came out and said Tulsi was wrong, she came out and said that Iran could have a nuclear within weeks or months, and that the media had taken her out of context, that testimony from March.
Her position apparently has always been that Iran has the materials to make the bomb, but wasn't pursuing it.
And I guess if you chose to pursue the bomb, it would take weeks or months for you to do that from the point of the materials that they have ready.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
This is a form of gaslighting where a neutral state of affairs can be reported differently depending on how you want someone to feel about it.
In this case, if Iran is trying to develop nuclear technology for peaceful purposes and doing nothing wrong, they could debatably be months away from making a bomb at any time.
It might just take a few months to divert these efforts from power generation to making a bomb, so in a completely peaceful world where Iran is following the letter of the rules that everyone agreed to, you could still say that they were weeks or months away from building a bomb.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
All of the things Tulsi said could be true, but the point depends on how the things are being said.
In March, she testified that Iran had not restarted its weapons program because the goal was to ease tensions between the United States and Iran.
Now, the goal is to justify attacking Iran, which Trump has already decided to do.
So the messaging becomes focused on how they could make a bomb in weeks or months.
As for Alex, it's crazy for him to say that Iran has nukes because it's not backed up by any legitimate sources, and if his position becomes more popular, it has a tendency to give warhawks a strong justification to invade.
Like everyone spent years litigating weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, as if them having weapons of mass destruction would have made everything justifiable.
Right.
That is why people want to say that Iran has a bomb or is about to have a bomb because they feel like that would be justification for war.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, I feel like you can kind of actually work backwards on this.
The reason to get a bomb is so people can't invade you without you going, I'm going to nuke you.
So if we can invade them, they don't have a bomb.
It's very simple.
dan friesen
Yeah, maybe.
jordan holmes
Maybe that, that, uh, like Russia is not going to invade Ukraine if Ukraine's like, we'll kill everyone.
dan friesen
I think that most of the time, that is a fine axiom.
I don't know if it holds all the time.
But it's generally a pretty good rule.
I think that Alex, if his mentality is more widely accepted by the GOP hawkish types, if that were the mentality, we would be more likely to go to war with Iran.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think.
And I think that he should know that.
He should understand that, but seems to be oblivious.
Anyway, it was going to be Thursday or Friday.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
that Alex said that Trump was going to attack Iran.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
This did not happen.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Because Steve Bannon intervened.
He got Trump to choose to negotiate.
jordan holmes
Right.
alex jones
And so who's the good guys, who's the bad guys here?
Well, I don't like the Mullahs and they're an unpopular dictatorship.
Okay, that said, they're not expansionists.
They're contained.
Israel's wiped out their proxy forces in Lebanon and Gaza and other areas, West Bank.
The Houthis have surrendered, at least not to attack our ships anymore to the US or made a deal.
jordan holmes
Same difference, right?
alex jones
And Israel wants to drag us in.
Remember, nine days ago, oh, we're just taking out the nuclear sites.
Oh, no, now we want regime change.
We won't negotiate.
And then Trump said he wouldn't negotiate until Thursday after he had a two hour lunch with Steve Bannon.
And I talked to Steve, he doesn't like to take credit for things, but I talked to Steve on air yesterday, but also talked a little bit off air.
And he says, well, he talked to the president and basically said he agrees on my analysis instead on his, his similar analysis.
And he said there's a lot of other people telling him too.
He said he's obviously what's in the news is accurate.
The majority of his generals and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Kane are telling him, don't do this.
And then he's got.
Carrilla, the head of Sidcom, who is telling him to do it.
And Heg Seth, you know, is an American patriot and fought in the Middle East and highly decorated and he doesn't like the MOLAs and they're warfighters and Trump wanted generals that like to go to war.
Well, he's got some.
dan friesen
Trump wanted generals that like to go to war?
What?
That's not supposed to be what?
Wait, hold, what the fuck is happening?
That's not the messaging we're supposed to have.
He's the peace guy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this is great.
dan friesen
This is good stuff.
So what Alex is trying to present is that the majority of the generals and the majority of the joint chiefs and all of them have cautioned Trump and he's not going to attack.
Yeah.
Thanks to the efforts of people like Steve Bannon.
Sure.
Intervening.
jordan holmes
Why not?
dan friesen
Wiser Counsel has won the day.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's very clear that that is the messaging that we're receiving on this Saturday show.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
And Trump is good.
Okay, Trump's real good.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
He's so good.
jordan holmes
No, I'm okay.
alex jones
Trump is good.
I'm proud of Trump.
He's really trying to be a peacemaker.
He's working for that hard, behind the scenes and publicly.
What he says publicly is what he's doing behind the scenes.
But the scenarios are too dangerous to continue down this road with full confrontation with Iran.
They will block the Strait of Hormuz.
They will attack our ships.
We will end up going into full war with them.
It will cause nuclear disasters, blowing up these bases, even conventional weapons.
dan friesen
Yes, so Trump's good.
Trump's good and he's not the kind of guy who's going to be saying one thing publicly and doing something secretly behind the scenes.
I mean, he's not that, he's not that kind of globalist type.
jordan holmes
It's really nice actually, frankly, if I was Alex, this would be such a kind of moment in its own way, because here we have indisputable things that you have agreed to.
I don't even need to be a part of this.
You have said definitely that to be good, Trump must do these things.
He did not do those things.
Therefore, he cannot be good.
You have no choice.
You have locked yourself into this.
dan friesen
Or else you have to introduce a whole new layer of like, in which case, I'm out.
What's good.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
You're out, are you joking?
That's what our whole show is.
No, no, no, no, I mean, I mean, in terms of the whole show is watching Alex squirm.
jordan holmes
Right, right, no, I mean, in terms of what the purposes of this particular situation.
dan friesen
Yeah, he should, he should recognize that this is going to be a a deal break based on his own terms that he's setting.
Exactly.
But we'll see if that happens.
unidentified
We will see.
dan friesen
On the Sunday Show.
jordan holmes
I will be shocked to find out what the answer may be.
dan friesen
So I think that when a president gets elected or a political movement is more ascendant in a country, it can make people more vulnerable, generally.
I think that certainly immigrants, LGBTQ people, are in more danger now than they were before Trump was re elected.
I think things have escalated.
is a normal thing to recognize.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I think it's not a normal thing to think if the president that I like doesn't get elected, I'm personally going to go to prison.
And Alex thinks that.
Well, and Steve Bannon, which is weird.
alex jones
If Trump doesn't succeed, and Steve Bannon said openly this when I was on the show a month ago, he said, you know, if Trump doesn't succeed, we're both going to prison.
And I told my family that.
I never want to evacuate the United States.
And I'll go down with the ship, but gauge it.
I mean, it looks like a Republican is going to get in in three and a half years., I'm going to have to leave so I can continue to fight for the country as an exile.
I mean, I'm having these discussions with my family folks.
This is I really want Trump to succeed.
I mean, my eggs are in his basket.
I mean, he's the lifeboat.
I'm in the North Atlantic and the water's thirty below zero.
And you fall in that water and you stop breathing in about ten seconds.
You just sink.
dan friesen
You are a totally unreliable source of information then.
Your existence is predicated on Trump staying in power.
That for me feels like Alex is just being I'm compromised.
jordan holmes
What, what could possibly be corruptible in this scenario.
You have someone in power, right?
You have someone in the fourth estate holding that power to account.
Now, it just so happens that that person holding that power to account is indebted beyond any reasonable degree, existentially indebted.
Ah, but as we have established, the person in power is good.
So they welcome criticism, thus allowing themselves to become greater than they were before.
dan friesen
They would never throw you out of that.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
It is because Trump is so good that we can guarantee that his reasoning is not motivated.
dan friesen
motivated.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
All this is really embarrassing.
jordan holmes
A month later.
dan friesen
We are living in the present day as we're recording this, not only in the wake of the release of Donkey Kong Bonanza.
No.
But we are also living in a time where Trump is lashing out at people who care about Epstein.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And Alex is having to navigate those territories.
And there's a real part of me that wants to speed up and be like, let's get to this.
Yeah.
But I think that what's going on here is a prelude.
There's an important piece of this entire chunk of time.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Which is Alex facing the harshest wiggle he's ever had to try and wiggle.
Right.
Like this is a disaster.
Everything is falling apart.
You can't support Trump.
He's bombing Iran.
He's lying to the media.
He's lying to you.
He's clearly hiding something about this Epstein shit.
Yeah.
He's lashing out at his own supporters about all this.
All of this is the point of no return for Alex.
jordan holmes
There's only one thing left to do, and it's to become the person you have been lying about being this whole time and abandon the entire political system system, entire.
dan friesen
And the reason why this is so difficult is that Alex does feel an existential debt.
jordan holmes
You have to.
dan friesen
He is going to sink in this really cold water if there isn't someone like Trump whose power allows Alex to fly under the radar.
jordan holmes
He needs to make some sort of Aryan Faustian bargain, if you will.
dan friesen
So I think this is a really rich period of time.
And as much as I really, really want to get to Epstein's stuff, I really feel like we have to walk this path.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's it is.
If I was going to compare the narratives.
that we are dealing with right now in Alex's life in their complexity and bitter absurdity.
I would describe it as bitter absurdity because I think I'm going to have to go with like Turgenev, like Chekov.
We're talking like the cherry orchard levels of malaise that should confound everyone.
This is insane.
dan friesen
It's Gerald again.
jordan holmes
It's insane.
It's ridiculous.
dan friesen
Well, there is a feeling of this thing that I faked isn't real.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it's now become too obviously unreal.
And how does one deal with that?
jordan holmes
As Dostoevsky once said, every radio host is happy in the same way, if they're happy.
But every unhappy radio host is unhappy in a completely unique way.
So I think we can take that lesson from here.
dan friesen
Sure.
So looming in the background is the fact that the guy in Minnesota shot those lawmakers and Alex is struggling with the fact that he was a fan of his.
And he's been calling the room mate of the shooter an actor.
And this has been, this has worked.
Yeah.
A little bit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But there's more information coming out.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And so Alex, he decides, we're going to revisit this story.
alex jones
But all of you were watching last weekend at the same time with emergency transmission.
And I laid out all the different angles and I surmised and I said, it looks like a Democratic Party hit to get rid of Democrats they don't like and to be false flagged to be blamed on Trump.
And if I had to guess, it's a CCP funded operation through the Democratic Party, which we now know from more federal documents that came out this week, the CCP literally stole the 2020 election with the Democrats and the CIA, all public now with the fake ballots.
I'm telling you, Tim Wall is dangerous.
And I said that he is a major suspect, not just because he appointed this guy to a board, not just because the guy's wife's a Democrat, all the connections and the way they came out day one and said he loves Trump, the shooter, the assassin, the Patsy, probably, and that he loves infowars.
Oh, but he had all these No Kings flyers in his car.
So now we're learning he was in a security company.
Now we're learning he was over in Gaza.
International aid groups.
Classic MK Ultra MO.
Probably just drogged out of his mind.
Probably not involved in anything.
You got a guy with a plastic mask at the door.
All this reeks of an assassination plot operation with this guy as the Patsy.
dan friesen
Alex is wrong about every claim that he's making in that clip.
And more importantly, he's not really bringing in any new information.
He's covering this story again in an attempt to solidify his narrative about it.
But I this is just repetitious.
So Bolter wasn't involved in an intelligence company, but he did travel a bit overseas.
This mostly took the form of him going to do missionary work in the Democratic Republic of Congo, where he preached against LGBTQ people.
I watched an entire sermon that he delivered, and I just don't think he's very good.
Like he clearly has a pretty right wing view on Christianity.
Sure.
But he also isn't that good.
He's a bad preacher.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, if you're a good preacher, you're usually a bad assassin, and, you know, vice versa.
dan friesen
It's rare for those things.
jordan holmes
It's rare for them to be in the same sentence.
Except for Father Guido Sarducci, who's a comedy assassin.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Now who is that Reverend Horton Heat?
jordan holmes
You're going Revenant E. Okay, okay, okay.
dan friesen
They killed a lot of shows.
jordan holmes
I'll take that one.
I'll take that one.
dan friesen
So Alex is really all over the place on this narrative.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
The roommates probably an actor.
This guy is a classic Patsy.
Tim Walls and China are behind the assassinations to punish disloyal Democrats.
This is a mess.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It doesn't need to be, but it is a fucking mess.
jordan holmes
I have a question for you.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay.
And I was thinking about this.
I would argue, despite what movies may say about extreme outlier cases, I would argue that the qualities.
that make you a good coach of a sport exclude you from being a danger to the world order.
unidentified
Hmm.
jordan holmes
I was reading, I've read Bill Russell's autobiography about his relationship with Red Auerbach.
Great.
Red Auerbach, not a threat to the global order.
dan friesen
Interesting.
jordan holmes
All the qualities that he possessed that made him great also kept him from being a threat to the global order.
Phil Jackson read his book.
Similar things.
I don't think you can be a good coach and be a threat to the world order.
And from what I heard and read, Coach Wells was all right.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
He was pretty good.
dan friesen
Now, you know what I think.
jordan holmes
What's that?
dan friesen
This makes me think.
Okay.
Because I recently watched a biography about Uncle Luke, Luke Skywalker from Two Live Crew.
alex jones
Okay.
dan friesen
And you know what he does now?
What?
He's a football coach.
jordan holmes
He's a football coach.
Yeah.
Is he a threat to the global order?
dan friesen
I think he was a threat to people who didn't want freedom of speech.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
But that was pre coach.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah, I guess so.
jordan holmes
Now that he's a good coach, it precludes him from being a threat to those people.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, Alex talks a little bit about how the Minnesota shooter, this Bolter guy, no.
This MK Ultra stuff.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And I know about MKUltra.
Classic.
Because my dad was in the program.
jordan holmes
Well, I'm sorry.
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes
What?
We're just hearing this now.
alex jones
Not about MKUltra.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
Think of it as just the mind control component.
MKUltra was just a larger group name, MK Naomi, for test scores in schools and changing the educational system and medical testing and medical experimentation, both lethal and nonlethal.
It was just a giant ongoing project of testing the mind.
So when I say this is an MKUltra project, that person worked under MKUltra, that's just an umbrella name for that whole genre.
But MKUltra in general is thought of as only classic mind control.
That was just one part of the one project that got a lot of attention in Congress when it came out in the late 70s in the Frank Church Committee hearings and other areas.
So when I said on a podcast and one of the lab readers asked me about it, I said, you know, my dad was recruited into MKUltra and went on, you know, a larger project, and that was just medical experimentation when he wasn't being experimented on.
He was 14, 15, 16, you know, working as assistants as an intern.
jordan holmes
He was experimenting on people.
alex jones
Oh, you've won the WizKid thing.
You know, you're get to you get the feeder for NASA, but first you've got to go experiment on people.
Cancer research facility with your dad experimented on people.
So again, that, that, if I had to call it., that's what it was.
dan friesen
I got the mango off.
alex jones
So that's what runs all that stuff.
Dark create the internet.
jordan holmes
Sounds right.
alex jones
So you have to understand it's larger systems, but this would be classic mind control.
Or they just drugged him up.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's also possible.
alex jones
But the whole thing unraveled.
The telltale sign is the day it happened, they tried to connect it to me within hours.
And the way the roommate does it is just, just, I mean, the body language, it just screams scripted bullshit.
dan friesen
Okay.
So the news that Alex is he's kind of dancing around and he does bring up but not in these clips is that Vance Bolter left behind a letter that was meant to be sent to Kosh Patel at the FBI in which he claimed that he'd carried out the assassinations on behalf of Tim Waltz, who wanted him to kill Amy Klobuchar so Waltz could take her Senate seat.
Right, that makes sense.
This letter was later released in a search warrant that was filed to get access to blink security camera data, and it doesn't necessarily come off as entirely credible.
He claims to have been secretly trained by the military since he was in college and that he was involved in a bunch of secret unspecified projects, which is pretty standard stuff for these types of folks.
jordan holmes
Unverifiable, unfalsifiable.
dan friesen
Yeah, they build up a self mythology that follows archetypal beats, but it doesn't include anything specific.
The idea is supposed to be that this stuff that they were involved in is so secret and they're such good soldiers that they would never reveal these secrets, but that premise is shaky.
Why maintain that kind of secrecy when you're writing a letter to the head of the FBI where you admit to murders and an elaborate plot involving the governor?
I think that some of the coverage of this letter has been a little bit off because the impression that you might get is that Tim Walls enlisted Bolter to kill a bunch of Democratic politicians, including Amy Klobuchar.
and that the two assassinations that he attempted to carry out were the beginning of that plan.
Right.
I think that's the impression that a lot of people get.
jordan holmes
Right.
That they're trying to, yeah, okay.
dan friesen
The assassinations were part of the plot that Walls put in place through Bolter.
Right, right, right.
However, it seems from this letter that killing Melissa Hortman and trying to kill John Hoffman, those were Bolter going rogue.
From his letter, quote, recently I was approached about a project that Tim Walls wanted done and Blank and Keith also left blank, but it's clearly Keith Ellison.
They were aware of the project.
Tim wanted me to kill Amy Klobuchar, it's misspelled, and Tina, but it's obviously Smith, the other Minnesota senator.
Sure.
Tim wants to be senator and he doesn't trust Blank to retire as planned and thinks she's going to stay on at the last minute.
Boulder is telling the story that Walls wanted him to kill these two senators so that he could take one of their seats.
Melissa Hortman and John Hoffman aren't targets from Walls at all in his telling of the story through this letter.
His letter goes on, I told Tim I wanted nothing to do with it and he didn't if he didn't call off the plan I would go to the public.
He said he would call it hurt my family if I did play ball.
Then he set up a meeting with me and Mel and Blank to talk about options when I they had some people waiting to kill me.
I was able to get away by God's mercy, so I went back a short time later and shot at both Blank and Blank.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
It's not a situation where I feel comfortable filling in all the blanks that Bolter left in his note, but I am confident that Mel refers to Melissa Hortman and that the story he's trying to tell is that Hortman and Walls and a third unnamed person confronted Bolter with this plan saying that he needed to follow through with it or else they would hurt his family.
Bolter didn't want to go along with it, so he returned and shot at two unnamed people.
That leads me to suspect the unnamed people are Hortman and John Hoffman, which implies that Hoffman is supposed to be the third person who is at this meeting that Bolter claimed he had with Walls where they were threatening him.
Yes.
If you follow the train of thinking in this letter that he left, he didn't kill Hortman and try to kill Hoffman because Walls wanted him to.
He was a desperate man who was being threatened by Walls and the entire power structure of the Minnesota government, and he was living out the plot of an action movie.
This distinction doesn't really matter in the real world because Bolter isn't telling a true story here, but the stuff that we look at is all about narrative.
being told is critically important to understanding how these stories are being used.
And I think that a lot of the coverage around this letter has been a little bit off, telling the story that Bolter claimed he did the shootings for Walls.
His claim is actually the opposite, that Walls wanted him to kill the senators and was threatening his family, and Bolter decided to go John Wick on the state government in order to try to fight back.
I haven't talked to the guy and I have no idea what his mental state is really like, but I don't think that this letter is very confusing.
He's done something very serious and it didn't go according to plan.
He knows that there's a very good chance that he's going to die after doing the shootings before getting arrested.
There's a really good chance.
So leaving this letter behind puts a permanent imprint on the story.
It'll always allow conspiracy theories to flourish around the story and will give Republicans ammo to attack Tim Walls and other Democrats, like they could have hearings forever.
If he'd died, then the existence of this letter would be the only thing to go on, but since he survived, he can go to trial, and he's going to have to try to prove some of these claims, which all veteran conspiracy theorists know isn't going to work.
But at the time when he would have written this letter and left it, he'd have every reason to think I'm probably going to die.
It will be a piece of evidence that will be able to be exploited in perpetuity.
jordan holmes
I mean, it was written after the assassinations, we're sure?
dan friesen
Yes, because he confesses to them and talks about them specifically.
jordan holmes
Right, right, well, I mean, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything in a fake story.
You know what I mean?
dan friesen
Yeah, there's strong reason to believe it was written after.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Just a question.
dan friesen
Beyond all that, I don't think Alex knows all that much about MKUltra, but it's fun to know that his father was also recruited into that.
Like his family has such a deep history with all this shady shit that's not real.
jordan holmes
My favorite thing.
dan friesen
History is not real.
MKUltra was real.
jordan holmes
My favorite thing about MKUltra, the more I read about it, is how well they've done in making it sound like a super secret brainwashing program instead of a bunch of guys were on a lot of drugs and had no oversight whatsoever.
Like these guys.
dan friesen
They were doing awful shit to people.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they were sneaking stuff into each other's drinks.
There was no accountability for anything.
These guys were going out for fucking weeks at a time on LSD and doing experiments at the same time.
People are talking about it like, oh, these guys are evil.
These people are insane.
But also, no one did shit about it.
dan friesen
But the effect of it is quite evil.
And you can understand why people would have some of that take on it.
Now, I think what you're describing is why Alex talks the way he does about MK Ultra.
Because when you take it from the specifics of what actually happened, what this was, when you talk about it in that sense, it's not as exploitable.
You can't use it to explain this Minnesota shooter.
jordan holmes
No, you can use it to hire a HR person.
dan friesen
Yeah, but as you generalize and you turn it into, oh, no, it's really just about test scores.
It's everything.
Then you can you can just apply the name MKUltra to whatever you want and take the feelings about the real thing and apply them to the false thing.
That's part of his big strategy.
jordan holmes
Horrifying.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
So he decides that he's going to keep on digging.
Chair.
Calling the shooter's room mate an actor.
jordan holmes
Why not?
dan friesen
I feel like he just doesn't feel like there's any possible cause.
jordan holmes
Yeah, come get me.
alex jones
And now Minnesota shooting suspect Vance Bolter claims in FBI letter he was secretly trained by the military alleges governor Tim Walls ordered Senator Amy Clinton.
Klobuchers assassination so that he could take Her Senate seat.
Well, I said last week, is this guy an assassin to get Democrats that were starting to vote against him in the state back in line and a false flag to blame Trump and his supporters.
And then, lo and behold, that day, oh, the guy did it for Trump and he really loved Infowars and that CBS stage question.
Now, the body language for me was total and complete scripting and disingenuous.
That's my opinion, but I'm not trained in that.
But a whole bunch of trained secret service FBI behavioral psychologists experts have come out and watched the of David Carlson, the roommate of Vance Balter, and said exactly what I said.
And here's one of them right here, Scott Roose.
We're going to be getting to that.
Coming up.
dan friesen
That weird sound effect is what plays at the beginning of Scott Roose's video.
He's a YouTube guy who does like body language stuff.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So Alex is doing exactly the same thing that he did around Sandy Hook.
Like, he just takes things that someone said, like, I've got a random guy on YouTube, and now I'm going to say that tons of CIA top level experts are all saying this guy looks like an actor.
So this is what he did with, like, Steve Pachanik and Fetzer.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You take these little things and then pretend this is representative of a giant sample of experts.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
Can I ask a question?
But if because the more I think about it, the more I think this is poor reasoning on Walls' part.
Okay.
So if the plan is to assassinate this guy to get other Democrats back in line, right?
That doesn't work because you, if you like, okay, so I go, no, I'm not going to get back in line, and then he kills me.
Now you've got two assassinated politicians, and then if I, the next person goes, like, oh, I'm not going to go in, now you've got three, that's a pattern.
You're going to be in more danger than the people who are ostensibly going to want to fall back in line.
dan friesen
Yeah, this isn't, this isn't something you really can pull multiple times.
jordan holmes
It's a bad plan.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, a lot of the theories that Alex imagines are pretty bad.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, this is I wouldn't do it.
dan friesen
No, I wouldn't.
And I also wouldn't enlist this guy to kill Amy Klobuchard.
unidentified
Absolutely.
dan friesen
That's a bad plan too.
jordan holmes
These are very poor plans.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
I wouldn't, I would suggest that maybe that's our best evidence that they didn't happen.
dan friesen
I don't think it's the best evidence, but it's fine evidence.
There's other evidence.
Fair enough.
Much better.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you can have it.
dan friesen
So, we now go to the 22nd Sunday.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it's because most of the rest of this show on Saturday is Alex whining about how they're suing his dad.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds about right.
dan friesen
He seems very upset about this.
I bet he is.
Yeah, probably because he gave a bunch of money money and cars and I mean it's your fault, but I'm sure you're upset about it.
jordan holmes
I agree with both of those statements.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
So now Trump has attacked and Alex called it.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry?
alex jones
Let me show you how I'm one hundred percent in the game before I go into what's happening now and what's coming next, the different scenarios.
All week long, starting last weekend, I specifically said I believe they would strike by Saturday.
That was the date, as I saw everything lining up.
Only person to say that anywhere.
I was massively attacked by all sides, the left, the controlled right.
No, no, no, Trump's just getting a peace deal.
It's not going to happen.
But I said on Thursday specifically exactly what happened.
dan friesen
So this is kind of true, but also not accurate at all.
For the past week or so on the show, Alex was saying that Trump was going to attack Iran on Thursday night or Friday morning.
It was a prediction that was meant to be understood as somewhat flexible in the timeline, but it was also definitely happening.
Alex spent his time lobbying against the attack and pretending to brief Trump on Bannon's podcast, and when Trump's press secretary announced that Trump was giving Iran two weeks to negotiate on Thursday, Alex took that as a victory.
The war fever had broken.
It didn't mean an attack wouldn't ever happen, but the immediacy of the crisis had decreased thanks to the Patriots.
In essence, what Alex is saying about his prediction here has some truth baked inside it, but that stuff can only be seen as true if you take away all of the context.
Alex did say the Trump was going to attack Iran, but now Alex is lying about what day he said it was going to happen on, and he's pretending that they didn't do the whole war fever has broken victory lap.
If you're listening to Alex's show for news and analysis, it would be a huge surprise to wake up on Sunday and learn that Trump had bombed Iran.
Alex and his friends were supposed to have handled this situation, so Alex saying I called it is a little unfair.
Yeah, this is gaslighting the audience..
jordan holmes
Yeah, I was just thinking, like, a lot of gaslighting is insidious, and it's very difficult to keep straight.
I feel like if a person is like, Hey, those last two days didn't even happen.
They just didn't.
That should be, if you're in a relationship and someone says the last two days didn't happen, it's time to go.
dan friesen
This should be really, really, really suspicious to anyone who's paying attention to his show.
This kind of behavior is opportunistic, it's manipulative, but also par for the course.
It's exactly what his show is.
jordan holmes
It's what you're looking for if you're there.
dan friesen
So, look.
Look, I mean, some people want to believe that this is just, you know, a little cool bombing.
jordan holmes
Is it a little how's your mother?
dan friesen
Well, I think that there's some conspiracy folks on the right who are putting forth the idea that Trump did this in order to placate Israel.
Right.
So, like, Israel is saying they just don't want Iran to have nuclear.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And so Trump carries out this attack in order to be like, there, now they don't have nuclear.
Are you happy now?
Right, right, right.
So that's something that a lot of people are saying.
jordan holmes
That's not terrible.
I mean, that's essentially the Moab kind of thing all over again.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
That makes another.
dan friesen
Soleimani.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Hop and forth.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It makes enough sense as it is.
dan friesen
And so Alex doesn't think this.
alex jones
Oh.
Now there's a whole other story here that I've seen a lot of people saying that actually has some validity.
Doesn't mean it's what's happening.
And because of the ongoing massive build up of planes, missiles and aircraft carriers, I don't believe that is what happened here because this is different than five years ago.
And I even said at the time, even though it's Iranian.
Ukraine shot a bunch of missiles in retaliation of Soleimani, their top general being killed, and the head of the Revolutionary Guard, Hezbollah, that when Soleimani was killed, they didn't want a full war with Trump.
So they called Trump and said, We're going to shoot missiles, but they're not going to hit your base.
And they didn't hit the base.
They didn't kill anyone.
It hit about a mile away in the desert.
And Trump later talked about that.
Some have said, That's what this is, and that this is now, you know, like the US has come in and we took out your nuclear program.
And so now we can tell Israel stop it.
Well, the Iranians were reached out to, turns out by Trump, he'd mentioned this, but said, Oh, we're talking behind the scenes.
He wanted to meet with them on Thursday when he gave it two weeks.
And they told you, they told us, go to hell, which is what I see in all the signs.
They've never hoisted the red flag before.
They've never done that before.
They know the world's lining up behind them.
They're dug in, and all the evidence points towards full war with Iran and its allies has now begun.
dan friesen
So that's where we're at.
This is not just a little bit of a performance of war.
This is like, this is it.
This is the shit.
jordan holmes
I mean, it makes sense at a after a certain point, you know know, like in what in Avengers, you've got the aliens coming and you've got the whole Earth, you know, that's that's your, your Moab, right?
You got to escalate, right?
So then you go to the Civil War, you got your Avengers and then Ultron, you know, you escalate that.
So now we got America in a civil war, where else do you go?
You got to end the whole world, you got to end the universe, you got to get your end game, you got to end the multiverse.
You got to end the yeah, you got to have half of everyone die.
dan friesen
Right.
I feel like there is escalation, obviously.
But then Alex is in a place where he's like, I can't pretend.
And this is not like nothing anymore.
Yeah.
Like My guy is just fucking, like, he's messing it up.
My messionic leader is not doing what I want him to do.
He's been giving lip service to what I want.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like he, you know, pretended like Bannon had convinced him not to attack, and I, I fell for it.
I went along with it, but I can't do this.
You know, it's a rich struggle.
jordan holmes
It can never be missed, but sometimes when you just stop and you go, like, these idiots are firing millions of dollars at nothing to show off how strong they are to other idiots.
When they could just be feeding their own fucking people.
You know, it's true.
Like, what are we fucking doing?
You guys, these people are all so stupid and we let them rule the world, which is great.
So that's fine.
It is.
It's going to be fine.
dan friesen
It's inefficient.
jordan holmes
No, it's going to be fine.
dan friesen
It's going to be great.
So with this war, it's going to come sleeper cells, obviously.
jordan holmes
Well, that makes sense.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So, the pre sleeper cells or post sleeper cells?
dan friesen
What does that mean?
jordan holmes
I mean, do we already have sleeper cells that are being activated or are there new sleeper cells coming in?
dan friesen
Probably pre.
Okay.
Got it.
And one of them might just popped off.
jordan holmes
Oh shit.
alex jones
The fuse is lit on the blocking of the Straight of Hormuz, Iran's parliament has voted to block it.
Only the supreme leader can override that now.
They will be able to block it very easily.
All the studies are out there.
Twenty percent of world oil production and delivery goes through that every day, at least.
Russia, North Korea, and others are signaling that they are going to give nuclear weapons to Iran.
So the nuclear sure destruction is on the table and in hopes of this war stopping.
But the United States has been throwing the mad doctrine to the side.
DHS is officially warning and saying brace for Iranian terror attack sleeper cells including the attempt to kill Trump which the globalists could false flag Trump with as I predicted before it even began.
You in Michigan have a large church with someone driving a truck through the wall jumping out spraying bullets at people but a brave deacon jumped on him like a marine jumping on a hand grenade and then a security guard killed him.
That just happened the last three hours.
dan friesen
That morning, a man named Brian Anthony Browning, he had arrived at Cross Point Community Church in Wayne, Michigan, and opened fire.
He was run over by a member of the church and then died exchanging fire with security guards.
Alex has almost all of the basic details incorrect about this story because he doesn't really care about what happened.
It's a horrible tragedy, and in the aftermath of the shooting, it's come out that the shooter seemed to harbor some resentment towards this specific church.
He'd posted a photo of a friend of his who died recently that said, quote, You have not only lied to men but have lied upon the spirit of the Lord.
His blood is on your hands, Cross Point Community Church.
I have no idea what exactly is going on with this case, but it seems to me like yet another instance of someone who was unwell, who had access to weapons, who decided to act out violently on whatever unaddressed feelings or thoughts he was having.
Alex is a desperate liar who loves to manipulate the audience by exploiting tragedy, so for him, he sees a story like this and thinks I can work with that.
He doesn't see a tragedy where people are left hurt.
He just sees an opportunity because he's a piece of shit.
Maybe I can pretend that this was an Iranian sleeper cell.
This works.
alex jones
I mean, man.
dan friesen
Make a few bucks off that.
jordan holmes
Man, what a piece of shit.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
We should be like this feels a little bit like I want to be in a mall at a food court just watching this piece of shit, because then it's like low stakes.
You know, when you're at a when you're at the mall and you see someone just clearly being a piece of shit to like a retail worker for no, that what are you doing?
It's a Burberry or whatever the fuck it is, you know?
You're getting sunglasses.
That's fine.
That's a nice little people watch, you know, that's a nice little look at that piece of shit.
At least we're not that guy.
dan friesen
And I think that.
jordan holmes
This sucks.
dan friesen
I think also, like, when you're watching someone be a real asshole piece of shit to other people in public, you're like, well, he's gonna do that to the wrong person one day and get his ass kicked.
Yeah.
And I think there's a little comfort in, like, I don't treat people like that.
I think that there's going to be some comeuppance that's coming.
And with Alex, it doesn't seem like anyone, there's not that wrong employee that he's mistreating.
jordan holmes
No, in a strange way, like that, that initial thing that he's saying about how he's in debt to Trump and if he, if Trump doesn't win, he'll go to jail, that's not literally true for him and Trump, but the relationship of like, if the powers that are not in some way or form protecting me, I'm well aware that justice will come for me.
dan friesen
Well, yeah.
And I think that he has a sense of that if, God forbid all these troubles that he has brought upon himself, if the consequences come to bear, Trump's going to let him slide.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Like, in whatever way he has that kind of get out of jail.
Right.
Idea even if it's not literally get out of jail.
jordan holmes
How could you not?
unidentified
Your buddy got pardoned for stealing an election.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And all of your buddies got pardoned for storming the Capitol.
jordan holmes
Why would you ever expect to receive actual consequences that you should be like physically scared of?
dan friesen
Yeah.
The only thing that's required in order to maintain access to those things seems to be loyalty.
jordan holmes
Perfect fealty to Dear Leader.
dan friesen
And so that seems to be the priority.
Anyway, the last few days didn't happen.
jordan holmes
They didn't.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Well, that's actually comforting because the last few days were pretty scary.
dan friesen
Alex is just trying to pretend that, like, I didn't, I didn't say the fever broken.
jordan holmes
Wow.
alex jones
And just to give you a little example that my head's in the game, so people listen.
jordan holmes
That's the opposite of what it is.
alex jones
The regular listeners that know that, but everybody else, we've just posted it at X. How did Alex Jones, you're truly, predict last Saturday, last Sunday, last Monday, last Tuesday, last Wednesday, last Thursday that I'm going to be a boss?
I believe the strike was coming and that it would be probably by Saturday.
But I said the windows Thursday evening through Sunday evening, if it was going to be done, I have a lot of intel, a lot of information, a lot of moving parts, but I myself came up with that equation.
dan friesen
There's no way that Alex doesn't know that what he's doing is manipulation.
It's fine for him to say that he predicted Trump would attack Iran Thursday or Friday, but he has to know that he's extending this window of the prediction after the fact and that he spent Friday and Saturday trying to convince the audience that Trump was great and had listened to his calmer headed advisors.
If Felix wants to take some credit for this prediction, then he needs to also admit that he was tricked by Trump and his press secretary to the point where he gave up on the prediction that he had previously made.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You can't have one without the other.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is negating the part where you were way wrong in order to preserve the part where you looked right.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
You know, I think, all right, here's where I'm interested to see where things go.
Because from what I can see based upon the messaging from our current administration, no one knows what the fuck is going on.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Or what they're supposed to be saying.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Like I said with the when Trump and Tulsi disagree there's no message discipline.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It's chaos.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
Now that's fine for these people.
They don't give a shit.
What reality is fungible at best, right?
But the question is how many times can you roll back and forth on the same fence?
Do you know what I mean?
Like, oh, we didn't go to war.
War is evil.
War is terrible.
We went to war.
unidentified
We love war.
jordan holmes
War is great.
Wait, now we don't love war again.
How many times before you go, fuck it.
I'm done.
Right?
Like that's the question.
dan friesen
I think the number's higher than it used to be.
jordan holmes
I think we're looking at at at least five.
I think people are going to within a span of weeks change their minds on one thing at least five times and that will be too many.
dan friesen
It may, it may happen.
So Alex plays a clip of himself making this prediction from his show on Thursday.
jordan holmes
Right.
And what, what shows did he not take clips from?
dan friesen
The, the, the ones after the Oh, yeah, that makes sense.
unidentified
Makes sense.
jordan holmes
No, it makes sense.
alex jones
Makes sense.
And then there's so much information, you call it a hunch.
It's not really, it's the subconscious, we're more powerful than the conscious.
And then I did a prime political computation and said, I believe it would be Saturday evening US time.
The crew couldn't find that clip.
They did a great job though.
They found a clip that's almost as powerful where I nail it and say Saturdayday evening.
Before I give you the next predictions and before I give you the next scenarios that we're now already deeply into here tonight.
So here I am in the first hour of Thursday syndicated radio slash TV transmission from this chair I'm sitting in right now.
Here it is.
What did I tell you?
Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday.
I said starting Thursday night through the weekend is when I see Trump deciding not strike or deciding to strike.
Because I understand military doctrine.
jordan holmes
Which is not a prediction at all.
alex jones
And pieces of intelligence.
And people ask, how did I make that announcement over the weekend?
Steve Bannon asked, how do I know?
And I just said, I can see all the pieces.
And I am sure that by Sunday at the latest, unless Iran publicly says, Okay, we'll give up the program unconditionally and publicly roll over, that could extend it out because then if they say they'll do a deal but pull back, kind of like Zelensky did on the minerals over and over again, they could probably rollpe Trump along a little bit longer, but I don't think at this point if they're going to capitulate it's going to be fake.
And I would tell the Iranians, even if you try to capitulate now, I think Israel is going to launch a false flag.
We know the Russians just caught the Ukrainians with a plan to torpedo one of their ships and blame Russia, torpedo one of our ships.
So it was about a 99% chance two days ago that by the weekend the U.S. joins the war officially.
I'd say it's about a 95% chance right now.
But I, gut level, I believe by Saturday we'll be doing an emergency all-day broadcast covering it.
unidentified
So there you have it.
alex jones
And boy, did I get attacked for being right.
dan friesen
So that's a great clip for Alex to play.
And I think it's a lot of fun where he decides to cut it off.
Right after he said that there was a 95% chance that they'd be doing an all-day show on Saturday, he said this.
alex jones
was about a 99 percent chance two days ago that by the weekend the US joins the war officially.
I'd say it's about a 95 percent chance right now.
right now, but I gut level, I believe by Saturday we'll be doing an emergency all day broadcast covering it.
Now, things could change.
It's like you're in a bus driving towards a cliff, the Grand Canyon, and you're 200 yards away, 100 yards away, 50 yards away, and you're going 60 miles an hour.
There's not much time to slam the brakes on before we go off the edge of it.
dan friesen
This was a conditional prediction.
What would happen if the brakes weren't slammed on?
On his Friday show and on Saturday, Alex was invested in telling the story that they'd successfully slammed on the brakes.
Trump had listened to Alex's briefing from Bann Bannon's podcast, the world was saved.
This is the important dynamic that he's trying to rip out of this false prediction that he made.
This clip from Thursday is great as a parlor trick and it might impress idiots on Twitter, but anyone who's paying attention and watching his show would have to know that this whole thing is a lie and the only way that Alex could try to sell it to the audience is if he's a liar.
So that's just a shame.
jordan holmes
This has, this is like the pre taped eulogies.
I don't know if you've ever liked those, those like sure.
In case this guy's dead, we already have the eulogy cover, you know, like for a news organization.
They've already got the template out.
Like, yeah, of course you've predicted it if you filmed fifteen different versions of the exact same thing for the precise moment that one of them might happen.
dan friesen
Yeah, a lot of the content of Alex's show functions that way.
I think he calls it wargaming, but what he's doing is making a million predictions and then he's going to selectively cherry pick out the ones that look the best in hindsight, in order to pretend he's a prophet, to make what bullshit he's saying in the present day seem like, oh, he got it right last time, we should listen to him this time.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's a fucking dumb game.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's an idiot and a fucking monstrousus asshole who exploits everyone's pain.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Anyway, I think also he really wants there to be some four D chess going on here.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He wants this to be Trump doing this to placate Israel in order to create more peace.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He really, really wants that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, we listen, we all wish that forward thinking and strategizing were available to us.
unidentified
Unfortunately, that doesn't appear to be the case.
dan friesen
I don't think that he can do it.
I think that he just can't.
He's like, no, this is actually war.
alex jones
So I see all the videos of the bombers bombing and people playing rock and roll and celebrating it.
Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb.
Iran taking the John Maynard attacks.
jordan holmes
John McCombs, putting it through music.
alex jones
And America's back bitches and all this crap.
No, you're having your future destroyed right in front of you and everything we voted for Trump being derailed.
That's why Steve Bannon said the same things to him.
Because he's smart and he's a patriot and you know who he is.
jordan holmes
A drug addict.
alex jones
Instead of all this delusion, five D chest stuff.
Here's Trump though, four years ago, a few months out of office, going back and explaining he had this secret deal for them to stage this attack to save face.
And I said at the time, that's what that was.
that all their missiles don't hit a few miles away in a desert from our base.
No, it was, you could see it.
And then they stopped right there.
And then Trump stopped.
And then later he did what it was.
I know how this works.
Everything I see now is not that.
All the signs say total war.
I don't just say things to be incendiary or alarmist.
I say it because it's what I see.
That's why I have the number one accuracy track record.
dan friesen
Yeah, number one accuracy track record.
unidentified
Number one track record network.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
So accurate.
So accurate.
I think that, you know, you just have a sense of Alec.
of Alex desperately wanting it to be, you know, pissing contest, but he can't allow himself to, like, it's not what he feels.
He feels like this is actually war.
Trump did the thing that I said that he can't do.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
And we've already done the pissing contest, you know, five years ago.
Exactly, how are we still pissing if the contest is still just still going on?
Like, that's, that's too much.
dan friesen
Well, hydrated.
jordan holmes
We're we've moved on.
Now it's shit's getting real time.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And I think because shit's getting real, Alex now feels like I've got to argue with someone.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
I think people on the left would tell you, I told you so.
Other people on the right Real Dicks.
A lot of them maybe are, you know, they have positions that I don't really want to engage with.
jordan holmes
Absolutely not.
dan friesen
So he decides he's going to get angry on a random QAnon guy on Twitter.
jordan holmes
Now is the time.
alex jones
Here's one of the Q people about the mastery, this is going to totally expose Israel, bring down Netanyahu, five D chess, you know, thousand D chess, and just dreamy eyed that, oh my gosh, you know, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, this is not stopping the war, this is accelerating the war, watch.
And I wish that wasn't the case.
And Trump was convinced this probably would do that.
And maybe it is.
We're going to find out.
But this is kind of a sampling of the people thinking, oh, no, this is a master stroke to go ahead and take out their nuclear program and then say, see, now, Israel can stop.
The problem is, I told you they would announce the Iranians have taken their enrichment out.
They now officially are going for a bomb they've announced.
They're pulling out of the US.
dan friesen
But officially?
alex jones
You think they already have it?
This country's just saying they're going to give them nuclear.
They're going to block the Straight to Ormuz.
We're massing all these aircraft carriers and thousands of planes everywhere.
That's not being done for no reason, sweethearts.
But let's just hope.
that the pie in the sky is true.
Here it is.
unidentified
It looks like the US military just went in and bombed Iran.
They went in and bombed three nuclear sites.
They got in and got out.
You know, the stealth bombers.
I don't know how they detected the stealth bombers anyway, but the news is talking about it.
So Trump said the planes are out and they're on their way back home and he's ready for peace now.
So what just happened in my firm opinion is we know the left Cabal Deep State of Israel is on a mission and Trump took out their mission.
Their mission was to make sure that there was no nuclear bom weapons in Iran.
Well, Trump said, Okay, I'll move in and take out the nuclear sites.
And now what?
I think it's a bait because Israel is not going to stop attacking them.
And Trump's going to say, why are you still attacking them?
I just took out the nuclear sites.
Like, what are you doing?
And that's going to open up the floodgates on who Israel really is.
Mark my words, in the coming days watch.
The peacemaker just drew them in.
What a chess move.
alex jones
What a chess move.
Yeah, that's why Netanyahu begged him to do it.
And they're worshiping Trump right now.
Israel is.
And now everything is degenerating into total war.
And they got giant billboards up everywhere in Tel Aviv saying, Thank you, Mr. President.
Yeah, man.
He really got the Israelis, quote, taking out their nuclear sites.
Man, he really did the opposite of what they wanted.
But this is what happens when people start getting into geopolitics and things and then have a comic book, you know, Avenger movie mindset, okay?
I said this all last week.
I said it on Steve Bannon Friday, if you missed it, that's on X right now, Roll Off Shouns, ahead shot, please.
Heg Seth, we devastated the Iranian nuclear program.
Zoom in, please.
That's today.
Iranian sources say enriched uranium moved from Fort Oh before US airstrikes and released the video of it all happening.
Iran vows to continue enriching uranium after US strikes, Iran media, uranium move from or out pre strike, how Israel's campaign to wipe out Iran's nuclear program unfolded.
How far will US strikes set back Iran's nuclear program?
Oh, now they're telling us, oh, it really didn't do that.
Ah, but I mean, he just took out their program.
Yeah, yeah, it's all over.
The war is over.
Everything's fine.
Member Joe Biden was going to be executed on january 20, 2020 at the inauguration.
Q said so.
And monkeys might flat my ass and unicorns.
We'll be right back.
dan friesen
I think that Alex is in a really bad place because he.
Because he feels the need to argue with someone who's more disconnected from reality than him.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like he's kind of using this guy as a punching bag.
Yeah.
In order to, like, hey, I'm not that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's it's about as bad as, like, oh, I'm a, hey, I'm a eighth level demon.
I'm not a ninth level demon.
Come on.
dan friesen
Yeah.
alex jones
You guys do it.
jordan holmes
Not one of those assholes.
dan friesen
And I think this is something that happens sometimes for fun, like him having Eddie Bravo on to talk about flattery.
Sure, sure.
But this is, this isn't fun.
This is him trying to, uh, just be like, okay, let's be serious.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, you kids with your geo new to geopolitics, you got this Avengers worldview.
No, no, no.
Stop with the Avengers.
Childhood's End is real.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's it's it's it's it's not a comic book.
It's a book.
jordan holmes
No, I mean, it's it's like early on doing stand up, you know, like you have a stretch where your confidence is getting hit pretty hard because you're not that good.
And you're not.
You're just not that good.
And that's fine.
That's how it works, right?
But there are rooms.
There are rooms where not that good can be, can be real good.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
You know, so you'd go to one of those rooms, you'd get your confidence back up, but that's not a long term strategy.
towards improving.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Finding the easiest thing to do and then doing that is not the same thing as improving.
dan friesen
It's not a good strategy.
And also what this feels like is someone who has come up through, you know, open mic's and maybe gotten better.
Maybe they're headlining or featuring and then they're mean to open micers.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Or something.
You know, like they forget the entire, like how you were where you were.
jordan holmes
You were here.
You were the same asshole that you're mad at.
dan friesen
And let's be honest.
This is not that different than what Alex does.
He sits in his car and Yeah.
Says dumb shit.
jordan holmes
No, you are you are the same asshole that you're mad at.
Yeah.
dan friesen
You guys intellectually are both open micers.
Right.
Alex is just a headliner at selling pills.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That's it.
jordan holmes
The relative quality is arbitrary and inside both of your own minds because you're identical.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
The difference is mostly money.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex wants this to not be Trump's fault.
And that's the sense that you get from this episode.
jordan holmes
See, this is the problem with wanting a president who is also the king.
By definition, everything is their fault, either by doing it.
or by not stopping it from being done.
dan friesen
It is also the problem with associating the person at power with being your literal lifeboat.
jordan holmes
There's a problem.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's going to take a lot for you to turn on that lifeboat.
jordan holmes
It's going to be hard.
dan friesen
And so Alex wants to maintain, like, some connection to Trump.
He's like, he's not bad.
It's not him.
It's all these other guys.
alex jones
Iran says US is blowing diplomacy through its lawless jungle behavior.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
alex jones
Iran, you started it.
We will end it.
Iran media warns Trump after strikes nuclear sites, air maps of US bases.
jordan holmes
That's probably unfair.
alex jones
All I see from them is they're getting ready for action.
Is it all a big bluff?
Well, let's hope so.
But then they're going to demand a total surrender of Iran, so they can't.
And more aircraft carriers and more aircraft are massing, the lights of which we've not seen since 2003.
So that indicates war escalation, escalatory conflict.
That's what all the real signals show, not delusional pie in the sky.
Oh, Marco Rubio, oh, yeah, we want peace.
Oh, yeah, we're ready right now.
And they're telling Trump that, and Trump probably believes that.
Is Trump super sophisticated enough about real geopolitical strategy and military?
Or maybe he's in on it, maybe he wants total war.
I don't know.
dan friesen
I don't know.
Making some good excuses though, like he's just not sophisticated enough to see through the lies of a Marco Rubio, the guy he made Secretary of State.
jordan holmes
Both of you have been chosen by your deity.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
We lose sight of that sometimes.
jordan holmes
Both of them, not one.
Not the other.
dan friesen
And Alex.
And Alex's being chosen by the deity has a lot to do with getting Trump into power.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
So like, all this is a divine mission that seems to have gone very, very divine.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
So, I mean, ultimately, you should be mad at your own God.
dan friesen
Yeah, either you all fucked up.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Or God meant for all this to happen.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
In which case, you're probably being fucked with because, again, you have a very weird God.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And you need to deal with that.
dan friesen
You might be the devil.
jordan holmes
You need to deal with that somehow, some way.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex takes some calls for most of the rest of the show.
That's smart.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I think that he can't quite land on a position of, like, how to play this ball.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because this is an egregious error that Trump made.
Yeah.
It is against the peaceful, not really peaceful, whatever we like.
Whatever the vibe is of the America First crack.
jordan holmes
Imperialist isolationism somehow.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then they wouldn't have a huge problem with him bombing somewhere.
Right.
But Iran is a huge country.
They have power in many spheres.
They're also aligned closely with Russia.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And there's a lot of fucking Russia love that is in the America First movement.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
So a lot of this is like the wrong choice of a country to bomb.
jordan holmes
What a sentence.
There's a Russian love in the America First movement.
Right.
I mean, it's no, it's perfect and apt and descriptive in ways that you can't even use words for.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like if Trump had bombed, I don't know, Chile, I don't think people would care nearly as much.
jordan holmes
They wouldn't know where it was.
dan friesen
Right.
Yeah.
But because of the dynamics of Iran, it becomes really problematic for Trump's base.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But Alex still sees him as that life raft and doesn't want to give up.
This is not enough for Alex to be like, Fuck this.
He's not drunk, so he's not lashing out in the same way that he did during the first administrationation.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But you can tell like he's like, I can only put up with so much.
I I have to.
He's he's bending but not breaking just yet.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
You know, I mean, it's so hard.
Like for, I think for most rational people, the calculus is simply like, uh, some sort of cost benefit that's it's going to cost me to try and stick through with this, through Trump with, you know.
dan friesen
And you would think that the bombing of Iran would be enough, but it's clearly not.
jordan holmes
But is the benefit ultimately?
Is he right?
Is the benefit like life or death?
In which case, what cost isn't he really willing to pay if there's only one price, you know, Or if there's only one possible fail, you know?
dan friesen
I think a highly motivated Department of Justice could incarcerate him.
I think he's committed some crimes that would be sure.
I think that Alex should have every reason to think that not that if Trump goes out of power, he'll go to jail, but the odds are higher.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah.
dan friesen
But not life or death.
jordan holmes
Out of power, out of money.
These are the things that will definitely take him down far more than any kind of legal system.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So the point that I think Alex is at is one where he's like, fuck, that calculus, that equation., whatever it is, is changing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it's much more real, the idea that maybe it's not worth it to support Trump.
But it's not enough.
This is the scale is still me.
So I don't want to listen to much of the calls, but I do want to say that Alex is a big boy show.
jordan holmes
He is a big boy.
dan friesen
This is where the intellectuals come to play.
This is where heads of state listen to this fucking show.
jordan holmes
Wonks of all policy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Policies wonk.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And like the real movers and the shakers, the Rockefellers, they try to hire Alex because they know.
They know that like policymakers, people who are ahead of their time.
jordan holmes
Putin.
dan friesen
Yeah, Putin listens.
Yeah.
So here's one caller.
james in texas
Okay.
China's going to they don't be afraid of us a bit.
I don't think so.
I think they want to call our bluff and we've handed China, we've handed America to China.
I work in the oil and gas industry and I mean we're working for Tokyo people, you know, which doesn't say they're bad, but I mean we're an American cult and here we are as Americans working for people from Tokyo.
Mitsubishi just announced that they're buying a oil and gas company that operates in this area.
I'm out of Kilgore, Texas, by Longview, Tyler, north of wherever outside of about an hour and a half, two hours from Dallas.
And I mean, it's just scary to sit there and know that we're selling our land to them.
I mean, what have they done?
They've got their people here, they're in place.
They've always said they'll take over and never fire Tyler.
alex jones
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
When?
When did they say they'll take over?
dan friesen
Well, I think we first have to figure out who he's talking about.
jordan holmes
Do you mean the Chinese or the Japanese?
dan friesen
Same to him.
jordan holmes
It feels like he doesn't care if there's a difference.
dan friesen
It's big boy pants time, the show for racists who think that Tokyo people are Chinese.
I mean, yikes.
Wow.
I mean, it's just why would you think that they'd have any other?
jordan holmes
It would be a very interesting lens through which to explain to this man that nations don't really exist at the higher echelons of money, and so what he's describing as like Mitsubishi buying something is not Japan buying anything, but a bunch of weird psychos now, so that's better.
dan friesen
Right, but it would also be interesting to try to explain to him that Chinese and Japanese people are don't come from the same country.
jordan holmes
I don't think we're able to get there.
I think that will take too long.
dan friesen
I think that's abstract shit.
that you're talking about would be more difficult.
jordan holmes
You don't know.
dan friesen
I think that he just doesn't like Asians.
jordan holmes
I think you might be right.
dan friesen
Anyway, I thought for sure that as the things were unfolding, when I heard that Iran got bombed, Trump had bombed Iran, I thought that Alex would have a stronger, devastated reaction.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
And to me, it was pretty surprising that he's just kind of lying to himself, creating a I called this and trying to slow play it.
it a little bit.
Some of that maybe because it's on Sunday, so it's on less stations.
Stakes are a little bit lower, maybe.
Yeah.
But I thought he'd be freaking out and he's not.
jordan holmes
I mean, you know, in a way, I think a lot of people would have described the way he treated alcohol as someone trying to wall off large parts of reality, right?
And now he's not medicating with alcohol in the same way.
So instead, he's apparently psychologically walling off entire days of time, which I think is probably healthier.
dan friesen
We all cope., you know?
jordan holmes
I guess that's how we could, that's how we should put it.
We all cope.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
We all cope.
Some of us just decide days don't happen.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I mean, who knows?
Based on the way he would drink that apple juice, maybe days didn't exist.
jordan holmes
Maybe days did back then.
That's why you do it.
unidentified
Oh boy.
dan friesen
Anyway, we'll see how this unraveling continues.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But I really do think that we're in a piece of time.
Yeah.
That is the path of disillusionment.
Sure.
The path of the Messiah being shown to be a false idol.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Essentially.
Right.
And to me, I think that's fascinating.
jordan holmes
You believe we are currently living in what will eventually be the thing where we go, ah, that's where it really began.
dan friesen
Well, I think it's here's what I'm saying.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Possibly.
dan friesen
But fair enough.
We've done this show for long enough.
It's seen so many things that felt like they were going to be that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I see an entire world being possible where Trump does this bullshit about the Epstein stuff.
Yeah.
And then, you know, Alex makes a big stink, yells about it.
Meh.
And then a month later, it's like, well, other people are not going to deport everybody.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You know, like maybe we need to make peace with this pedophile.
to me.
jordan holmes
It was all Clinton.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So I think that has the feeling of a moment that has a historical, like, this is the breaking point.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But then also.
jordan holmes
It's tough to be on post 1000 episodes.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And be like, maybe things will.
It's tough.
It's real tough because our evidence pointing backwards, very strong.
dan friesen
Yeah.
There's too many times where it feels like, aha, I can't possibly follow Trump after this.
jordan holmes
Hoist it again.
Those Duke boys don't give a shit about reality.
dan friesen
It seems like there's no chance of.
like, the Epstein stuff being a non-breaking point.
Permanent.
But, eh.
jordan holmes
I mean, when have you ever seen walls slowly close in on someone with spikes, successfully close in on someone?
They always escape at the last minute.
dan friesen
See, that's because they only exist in movies.
I think if they existed in the real world, you think they would be pretty effective?
Yeah, and I think you wouldn't see it a lot.
jordan holmes
Right.
Well, trash camp compactors have pretty, yeah, they pretty high success rates on crushing things into small things.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Didn't people used to put them in like cars?
You know what?
I don't even need to think about this right now.
dan friesen
No.
So we'll be back and check in how this path unfolds for Alex, but until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
Indeed we do, it's knowledgefright dot com.
dan friesen
Yeah, we'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I'm the mysterious professor.
unidentified
Woo, yeah, woo, yeah, woo.
jordan holmes
And now here come the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
So Alex, I'm a first time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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