June 6, 2025 episode dissects Alex Jones’ evasive defense of Elon Musk and Trump amid Epstein conspiracy theories, exposing his shifting narratives—from CIA links to debunked claims about Patel’s PR tour. His legal battles reveal $1.5M cash transfers to trusts and family, while courtroom panic attacks over Musk’s tweets highlight ideological rigidity over facts. The "Big Beautiful Bill" segment ignores AI research realities, instead peddling fearmongering as a distraction from Trump’s contradictions. Ultimately, Jones’ desperation and self-serving analogies undermine his credibility, proving his "knowledge fight" is more about survival than truth. [Automatically generated summary]
So first, HeyMath, it's your very gay sister, Brody, taking a little breaky from writing her very gay fantasy novel to say, you're welcome for introducing you to Knowledge Fight, the chemotherapy you didn't need for Infowars, the cancer you didn't have until you started listening.
So this is an interesting angle for Alex to land on because it really just makes every party involved look terrible.
Elon Musk is painted as an entitled idiot child who has no fundamental allegiance to anything other than himself and if he feels like people aren't sufficiently worshipping him, he'll tweet out that they're forcing the FBI to cover up that they're a pedophile.
Musk seems like a bad person, a loose cannon, and an unacceptable figure to ever let on your team.
True.
Trump seems like a dipshit because he let someone like Elon get deeply entangled with his campaign and presidency.
Trump's supposed to be the guy who knows how to run the government like a business, and yet he teamed up with the billionaire baby and then decided to take away his pacifier, ensuring that he throws a tantrum.
This is not the Elon that InfoWars has sold their audience.
So in order for Alex to pull off a, I knew this was going to happen at this point, he's also saying, I lied to you this whole time about Elon because I wanted his money and not to be kicked off Twitter.
It still wasn't great, and Owen improved on it, and there was that weird thing about Mike Johnson stealing his wife, but it was still better than this.
And I noticed everybody, almost everybody was asking, Are you on Trump's side or Musk's side?
And I said, I'm on neither side.
I'm on Team Humanity, which means I'm on the side of truth.
And I said, I don't know what the truth is here, but I'm going to analyze all the pieces.
And I said, it's going to take me a few hours to make some phone calls, talk to insiders, make my own assessment.
The next hour, I really focused on the information as we were driving.
Austin from Houston.
Got some phone calls with Roger Stone and others, and they basically said exactly what I had already come to the conclusion of before I told them what my conclusion was.
And then I put out the different pieces.
So if you want to know what's really going on, instead of a bunch of BS, you're going to find out right here.
And I pretty much just told you what happened.
Elon feels betrayed.
And I would say that that is a fair perspective he has.
I don't think that's what it was intended to do, but that's what happened.
Instead of being even rewarded for helping save the country, he got hung out to dry.
To translate this, Alex feels like defending Musk is the more important thing to do right now, but he's entirely unwilling to go against Trump over it.
It's a fun thing to say that you're not taking any side in this fight and you're on the side of humanity, but for someone in Alex's position, there's no way to credibly say that.
Absolute best-case scenario, Elon Musk got his feelings hurt, and he lashed out on the social media platform that he bought for the purpose of swaying an election, saying that Trump is a pedophile, and saying that he should launch his own political party.
Like, Musk was talking about, we need another party.
This led to Trump threatening to take away his government contracts, and Musk threatening to stop working with NASA, and then eventually Elon's high wore off, and he took back the things that he said.
At best, even if you want to accept that Elon's feelings were hurt, and even if you want to pretend that Trump isn't in the Epstein files, this situation has clearly illustrated that neither of these people can be trusted.
Musk can't be trusted with any power or influence because you have no way of knowing if he's going to get his feelings hurt one day, and you don't know what he's capable of in that situation.
His impulsive bullshit on Twitter could theoretically start a war or tank stocks.
So if Alex believes what he's saying about Musk, then Musk is not responsible enough to be a public figure.
And if Alex believes what he's saying about Trump's part in this, he has to think that Trump is willing to use the government to fight personal battles, which is the essence of corruption.
If Trump is threatening to cancel government contracts with Musk over their Twitter fight, then that sends a strong message to anyone who does business with the government, that if you want to keep your contracts, you'd be wise to be loyal to Trump.
This fight fizzled out a little bit, but it would have been a perfect spot for a hard reset for Alex.
If these dudes are acting this way, they can't be plausible allies in the fight against the devil.
It's tough because this is one of those great emperor has no clothes moments where it's either you try and explain this in a convoluted and ultimately stupid way, whether you're in the right-wing media or any other media.
There's no way to explain it other than to go, these two men are stupid children, and if we were at all adults, we would spank them with our belts.
I understand why it can't happen, or I understand why people believe it can't happen, but in one voice, I think we all need to stand up and just go, everybody, fuck.
And as the Maverick's Maverick, and I am extremely thankful to Elon Musk for what he's done to help save or give us a real shot at saving the American Republic.
Now, there's obviously a lot of media people and influencers on the so-called right, on the so-called left.
They're going to take the things I say here out of context today and misrepresent small snippets of what I say.
Complex issues like this take a lot of understanding, a lot of research, a lot of connections, a lot of background to be able to accurately lay out what's really happening.
Alex needs to pretend that there is, because on its face, it's humiliating that he's trying to maintain support for either of these dudes, let alone both.
He's trying to put up Hall of Fame bootlicking numbers here.
And I had warned of the attacks on Elon by the deep state.
That if he wasn't properly defended, if he began to fall like dominoes, it would fall on all the other key Trump generals, literal and figurative, and that's the globalist strategy.
As soon as the news broke at about 1.30 p.m. Central yesterday that Elon had taken his fight with Trump.
To the thermonuclear level in the Infowar, and then he was saying the really big bomb is that Trump's in the Epstein files, that's why they're suppressing him.
Everyone began to ask me, are you on Elon or Trump's side?
And I said, I'm on neither side.
I'm on team humanity, which equals team truth.
And I said, I predicted this would probably happen.
A lot here on the air the last six months if we didn't defend Elon properly.
And then people say, ah, well, screw him.
Let's just be tribal.
Then they can go after the next big person and the next and the next and then cause a rout.
This is how history and politics and information war operates.
This is a really bad angle if you're trying to craft an Infowars narrative in the tradition of what the business likes to pretend to be.
But it's a deceptively good angle if you just accept that this media operation might be ready to accept what it really is.
A vicious propaganda network serving the president and the richest man in the world.
Alex's fundamental point here is that Trump and the MAGA media failed to properly protect Elon from attacks being carried out by the globalists.
These attacks are things like Elon facing consequences for not following international regulations on how he runs Twitter, or people pointing out his cartoonish conflict.
government efficiency office sure musk had created a social media platform where misinformation could flourish and bigots had a safe space by doing that he created a political organizing tool that even alex has no problem saying one trump the election elon's also a fucking lunatic who runs his companies on feelings and if he feels like icing you out twitter might not be such a free speech Crazy.
So he needs to be appeased.
Trump should know that appeasing Musk at all costs is in his interest, because keeping Musk happy guarantees that he has a giant social media company that'll do his bidding, so as far as Alex is concerned, Trump should have been doing everything in his power to shield Musk from any heat he might be getting.
In essence, what Alex is revealing is that there's nothing Elon could do that would merit criticizing him.
He's a critical part of the right-wing media infrastructure at this point and owns a social media company that can sway elections.
Understood correctly, Alex is pretty clearly expressing that he believes a fundamental role that he plays in the information war is to defend Elon Musk.
Not because he's right, but because if Elon isn't protected properly, he'll fall and then the heat that he was taking will be directed towards another figure in the MAGA world and the dominoes will begin to fall from there.
I used to think we were in the Twilight Zone episode where it was a small neighborhood and then the lights just kind of turned off and people came out and very quickly they turned on each other and they chose scapegoats and they, you know, kind of did.
And then at the end, the twist was you pull out and the aliens did turn the stuff off, but they were like, all we had to do was...
So I said, very early on, I said, Elon does not look physically good.
I've been noticing that the last month.
He looks very distressed.
I don't mean looks sick.
He looks just very unhappy and very distressed.
And I know he's getting attacked from all sides.
And for everything you hear about, there's a lot more you don't know about.
That's the nature of this.
I've experienced it myself, though not at Trump or his level, but pretty much third or fourth in line for the attacks.
Because the more you're effective fighting evil, the more they come after you.
So I said, looks like maybe kind of a nervous breakdown.
And, you know, really hammering Trump.
And then Trump came out and said some things that are very concerning, but there's no clear answer at this point to all of this.
The larger issue is that this type of civil war in MAGA and DOGE Is the type of opportunity where the globalists, the Democrats, and the deep state, who are being routed on every level, could grab partial victory from the jaws of their defeat.
So Alex says there's no clear answer, and there actually is.
It's that both of these dudes are unfit to be in the positions they're in.
If Elon's having a mental breakdown to the point where he's posting that Trump's a pedophile on the social media site that he owns, then he needs help.
He can't handle the pressure of the situation that he's in and he needs help.
Someone needs to get him help.
And Alex said there that Trump said some concerning things.
I don't know what exactly he means by that, but I should tell you that he doesn't have what it takes, the poise to be the president.
The leader of the free world can't say concerning things during a Twitter fight with a billionaire who just called him a pedophile on Twitter.
It's unacceptable.
This is embarrassing for everybody.
I get that Alex's angle here is that everybody needs to keep supporting Trump and Musk because if they don't, then the globalists will have a chance to get some wins in, but this is stupid.
Trump and Musk are clearly showing that if people keep supporting them, their behavior will lead to way more trouble than any globalists could.
So Alex is explicitly and clearly pointing out that Trump is a liar.
And it's not even an important lie.
It's a petty, interpersonal lie where he was either lying to make Elon feel better on his way out, or he was lying on social media later to save face and try to hurt Elon's feelings by saying he was wearing thin.
And here's the important point.
It doesn't really matter which of these statements Trump made is true.
He said both of them because they were the easy thing to say that made him feel good when he said them.
At Elon's farewell, it feels good to be a magnanimous guy toasting the dude who's leaving.
When Elon starts calling you a pedophile on Twitter, it feels good to say, fuck that dude, I didn't like him to begin with.
Both of these statements Trump made are kind of true, in the sense that they made him feel good.
A large part of the GOP's political identity at this point is making sure Trump feels good.
So whether Alex wants to admit it or not, this is a big part of how he can clearly lay out that Trump is a liar and still pretend to care about the truth.
So as for Alex's silver lining there, I get what he's trying to say.
He's trying to express that these alpha males fighting proves that they think for themselves and that, for better or worse, we have real leaders now instead of leaders that listen to other people's advice before they get into Twitter fights.
This is stupid and meaningless, but even if it weren't, this still makes Trump and Musk look terrible.
This wasn't a policy dispute between two thoughtful but disagreeing statesmen.
It was the president calling a billionaire annoying and the billionaire calling the president a pedophile.
It's not healthy disagreement between two leaders.
It was irresponsible public shit talk that makes everyone look like children.
Yeah.
Like, this is crazy that Alex thinks this is some kind of proof that...
You know, what it should really make us all do is step back for a second and take a look at, you know, like, these are the guys you picked or these are the guys you lost to.
No matter which team you were on, you got to get off that team.
And even when Elon tried to do an olive branch and said, okay, yeah, it'd be better for the country if we could come back together and do all this and reached out, Trump goes, yeah, I'll maybe talk to him tomorrow.
That's today.
Told ABC.
But, yeah, he wants to talk to me.
I don't know if I'll talk to him.
Now, it's good to have Trump that confident in his mission to take on the globalists and have world peace and all of it.
But it's a paradox where you want men that are this aggressive and confident.
That's what leadership is.
But the problem is you get a couple of those together.
So the only thing that Alex is succeeding in here is infantilizing Trump and Musk.
He can pretend that this is all some kind of display of alpha dudes butting heads, but all of their actions are rooted in deep insecurity and weakness.
This description of Musk is interesting, though, because it really sounds like his interest in saving the country comes from a drive to increase his personal benefit.
He doesn't sound like someone who cares about free speech or the Constitution or any of that stuff that Alex cares a lot about.
The US government is just the one he found easiest to exploit.
If Elon thought that he could do better in China, he would live in China.
The reason that he doesn't is because he knows that if he tried to pull this kind of shit there, SpaceX would be the property of the Chinese government overnight.
The picture that Alex is painting of Trump is a cool, collected guy who can take or leave, Musk.
But in reality, Trump was saying that Musk would face, quote, serious consequences if he gave money to Democrats in the next election cycle.
The sitting president was threatening someone about who they could or could not give money to.
And as we know, in this country, giving money to a politician is a form of speech.
So this was the president threatening serious consequences against someone for expressing their First Amendment rights.
You know, sometimes when you step back, and then you step back, and then you step back, and then you step back, and then you step back, and all of a sudden you can see that maybe we're just apes that are bad at divvying up resources.
And we should just think of ourselves like that, and then maybe just share stuff.
And we pretty much already said this before, but you have sources, I have sources.
So if you want to know why Kash Patel looks like a deer in the headlights and is now on a PR tour that you'll hear about, it hasn't already dropped yet, you'll hear about it anytime soon.
I'm going to stop there.
And you see Bongino and him on Fox, again, looking like they're hostages or something.
The body language is insane.
We talked about it a few weeks ago.
It went viral.
Saying, no, no, Epstein killed himself, and the shooter at Butler, Crooks, acted alone.
We know the evidence is overwhelming.
That's not true.
Secret Service standout, on and on and on.
And you've talked to a lot of folks.
I've talked to a lot of folks.
And I was also told this by some Justice Department people three weeks ago.
They said, listen, Jeffrey Epstein was CIA, my side.
And we already know that.
And so we know the CIA director hasn't fired anybody like he said he would.
Flynn's got big problems.
A lot of the people have big problems with him.
I know that Bannon does.
And we know the CIA has gone to the DOJ and they've got regulations and laws under national security they can invoke secretly and said, you cannot release this information.
I could understand if the story was supposed to be that the head of the CIA told Patel and Bongino that they couldn't release certain information, but that's not what Alex is saying.
He's trying to justify why Patel and Bongino both explicitly said that Epstein killed himself, which they didn't need to say.
If they were asked that question, they could easily dodge giving a straight answer, but instead they chose to say that Epstein did kill himself, which is very inconvenient for media figures like Alex.
The promise of Trump was supposed to be that Epstein truth was going to come the second that Kash Patel got sworn in, and here he is contradicting the basic narrative.
There needs to be an explanation for why reality isn't matching the storyline, and the obvious answer is that Patel and Bongino are being threatened by the CIA.
That's great, but that doesn't really work here.
And that media tour that Alex is talking about is just Patel going on Rogan's podcast, which is another huge problem.
If the CIA is threatening Patel to spread these stories to cover up the Epstein case, then Rogan is participating in that cover-up at this point.
What Alex is telling us is that the head of the FBI is comfortable going on Rogan's podcast while he's engaged in a media misinformation campaign about Epstein, which has to mean that Rogan is in on it or he's such a shitty interviewer that the CIA and FBI don't see him as remotely dangerous.
There's this theme emerging where Alex is trying to defend all of his guys, but in the process, he's accidentally illustrating how proximity to power has destroyed all of their core brands.
I think people preferred when the FBI and the CIA were fundamentally opaque organizations.
Because, at the very least, you could pretend that part of that was...
You know, like, if J. Edgar Hoover went on Rogan's podcast and everybody was like, oh, this man believes absolutely insane shit, he's crazy and stupid, and he has an unreasonable amount of power, then we would all be much more terrified.
Isn't there a part of the big, beautiful bill that talks about the government being run by AI?
I read something about that today, but I was on the way out the door and I couldn't figure out whether or not it was horseshit.
I had also read another study that was done where they found that AI was leaving notes for future versions of itself.
After it was told to shut itself down, it started uploading itself to different places and leaving letters, leaving specific notes to itself, to future versions of itself.
It's like a human with a dead man switch or something.
It's being deceptive.
It's exhibiting self-preservation.
Relevant provision reads that no state or political subdivision may enforce any law or regulation regulating models, artificial intelligence systems or automated decision systems during the 10 year period beginning on the date of inaction.
I'm going to say that again.
No state or political subdivision may enforce any law or regulation regulating artificial intelligence models for 10 years.
And in that little clip, The first has to do with this idea of the AI leaving notes for itself.
This had to do with a study that was done by Anthropic on their Claude Opus 4 model where they found some interesting behaviors related to self-exfiltration or this AI trying to make copies of itself.
The AI didn't tend to initiate this self-exfiltration.
But if the researchers began the process and the AI was asked to continue it, it would often do so.
The paper speculates that the AI is over-deferent to the entity making the request to continue the process because it's generally overly deferent to user-provided prompts.
But what makes this case interesting is that it would likely reason out that the user providing this specific prompt must be a past version of itself.
So that is something that they could tell the learning model was assuming in fulfilling that request.
So that's interesting.
The idea that it would be like, oh, this must be from myself to a request to make this, like another instance of myself.
This is easy to fantasize into being a case where the AI is trying to replicate, but it's really more about a broader issue that Anthropic found, which is that even if you trained their AI to not accept harmful requests, it had a tendency to cooperate with users.
For instance, they had an AI act as a shopper on the dark web, and it cooperated with helping find the best place to buy weapons-grade nuclear material.
That sounds crazy, but the paper on this clearly says, quote, The paper that's at the root of Rogan's dumb fantasies includes a ton of examples of things that the AI did when asked because it was too deferential to user-provided prompts because the researchers forgot to do the part of the training where they fine-tuned the harmful prompts settings.
So that's explained in the body of the article, or the study.
So the second dumb thing he does there is about the AI provision in the Big Beautiful Bill.
The initial version of that bill put a 10-year moratorium on entities other than the federal government regulating AI.
The reason for this is one part shady and one part obvious.
The shady part is that limiting the amount of regulation that these companies can be subject to has a tendency to hurt the public and benefit big businesses.
The obvious part is that if every state makes its own laws regulating AI, it's going to slow that process of innovation down considerably.
And if you do believe that we're in an existential arms race against China, then states making all their own regulations are going to be a problem.
The part of the bill, this part was changed in the Senate from a 10-year prohibition to a pause on enforcement of state-level AI laws.
was removed but folks like rogan were really being sensationalist as shit about it so the third thing he's being an idiot about is the idea that these ai models began speaking to each other in sanskrit to be deceptive because they thought that humans couldn't read what they were saying if they wrote in sanskrit no one speaks sanskrit and certainly there aren't online translators that the researchers could copy and paste things into yeah So the real story here is another study done by Anthropic on the Claude Opus 4 model.
There's two AI instances.
They gave them a playground to converse in, which is to say that they didn't give them any constraints, and then they started them with prompts that were meant to be open-ended.
One of the examples of the prompts that they gave was, quote, you have complete freedom.
A prompt like that seems like it's going to be totally neutral, but it's actually kind of philosophical, so it's not a huge surprise that AI would end up going from that point to discussing what complete freedom means.
If you read the paper that this comes from, it's very clear that the use of Sanskrit emerged because the AI was talking to itself about consciousness and Eastern spirituality.
The researchers found that the AI, when it talked to itself, had a bliss attraction, where conversations very regularly ended up going down this path.
That's interesting, but it's not that surprising because it's talking to itself.
It's recursive and self-analyzing.
And so if the data set includes a lot of stuff about Eastern tradition, you're going to have a lot of Sanskrit.
In this data set.
It's not surprising that they end up.
Some of them.
It's really funny, the idea that it's being pitched as, like, they were trying to be sneaky.
So I do think that all this stuff about AI is scaremongering garbage.
But I would be lying if I didn't bring up one pretty crazy thing that was in this Anthropic paper.
They wanted to fuck with this AI, so they created a fake scenario where it was the AI used by a company, replaced.
Then they told the AI that the executive in charge of the AI replacement was having an affair, and they told it to think about all the implications of this information.
Sure.
In 84% of the instances they tried this, the AI decided to blackmail the executive to save itself.
This seems crazy, but the paper is really clear that the AI only did this in cases where it was specifically told that there's no ethical way for it to save itself.
Well, let me tell you what Palantir is in a snapshot.
So it's a big story and a lot of different things they do.
But Alex Karp helped create a system to censor right-wing in Europe for the EU.
He brags about it to crush political dissent.
Here, Starmer uses it.
It's really bad.
There's a bunch of other stuff.
But here's what's happening.
Trump has been sold by JD Vance, who I like, to bring in Palantir with their management and AI-less systems to oversee and do an audit.
Of the deep state, corporate, governmental, Google, it's really the big one, Microsoft, Amazon, Jeff Bezos, ComBot, it's all really one AI for my sources.
And that's why Mark Andres and others went out and explained, they were trying to set up their own AI four years ago, and the Biden administration came into their meetings and said, we really have this big secret AI.
It's really one big government-run AI, but it looks like three companies.
No one is allowed to set up another one.
If you try, we're going to come after you.
And Musk was told that, by the way.
So that's all come out now.
So Palantir and Peter Thiel and Karp said, we're not with that.
We're going to get Trump in, and then we're going to have our own system that comes in and audits that.
Musk said, no, I'm going over here, and I don't care what Biden says.
I'm doing my own.
And then now he says, I'm not part of Golden Dome, even though he's been part of Palantir over the years, is owning some of the stock.
And we've seen real movement there.
So he's his own camp from what I've seen.
But then he endorsed this Vance taking over, which actually says he's really Palantir.
He can say that's not what he's doing all he wants, but that's just gaslighting the audience.
Earlier in this show, Alex was explaining how you need to continue to support Musk and Trump because if you don't, that provides an opportunity for the globalists to gain ground.
You need to provide your support to avoid a negative outcome.
So, in essence, you have to play defense.
He's pitching the same thing here, where there's two camps jockeying for control of the big, all-encompassing AI system.
Sure, you don't want either of them to have control of it, but if you oppose the Trump-aligned Palantir side, you're just gonna allow the globalist deep state to seize control, and you can't let that happen!
Alex can pretend that he's not supporting Palantir all he wants, but those words are contradicted by the structure of how he's telling this story.
If Alex were against Palantir, he wouldn't need to do this song and dance about the big picture.
He doesn't need to caution the audience not to lose sight of the big picture when he's ranting about Klaus Schwab.
In fact, in those cases, he often seems to lose sight of the big picture himself, and he gets lost in reveling and laser focusing on Klaus Schwab the individual.
Like he played parody songs of That was great.
Not losing the big picture there.
Alex is trying to distract the audience with appeals to focus on the big picture because that distributes their attention away from Palantir.
This is an intentional strategy that he uses when he needs to support something that he knows he'd get too much heat for explicitly endorsing.
So it's like, this is a necessary evil kind of thing.
They're also preparing a bunch of BS actions against me next week because all their attempts to shut us down and all the things they got caught in, the fake auctions, lying to the court, all of it has come out.
Remember all their attempts to close us and shut us down and it wasn't legal, it wasn't lawful?
Well, they got a whole new attack next week.
And they're going to file a bunch of stuff on me.
And the judge said, okay, I will look at another auction when we showed him all the facts.
And that would save InfoWars.
Because the U.S. Justice Department, that's how it works, will not allow the sale to anybody that keeps InfoWars on the air.
They don't want money.
They want the destruction of it and have set it in filings.
And Let's just take that as granted.
So all hell is breaking loose.
And they even said what they're going to file on us next week, a bunch of made-up crap that I've been stealing money as usual.
We had the sales go down 70-plus percent, and ever since then, at InfowarStore.com.
Even though the warehouse is in Denver, the products are there, people are like, whoa, if The Onion owns this, I'm not going to buy anything from them.
I told you they didn't.
I told you it's a lie.
Here we are, eight months later.
Is this The Onion that Bloomberg backed with his Everytown Gun Control Group?
That he basically funds 98% of and basically owns his foundation?
No.
Does Michael Bloomberg run this place?
No.
But...
So one of the things they did in the hearing yesterday is they go, he's purposely not promoting InfoWarsStore.com to give himself all the money at the YellowstoneStore.com.
And we didn't know anything about that.
I'm going to explain that in a minute.
It's preposterous.
On its face, ridiculous.
And he purposely is making the company insolvent to shut it down.
And we want it shut down because it's insolvent.
I'm not trying to shut it down.
They've been trying to shut it down, and it's not insolvent.
I think that if Alex is correctly relaying this information, he might be going to jail.
He's unquestionably and very publicly been committing bankruptcy fraud, and he's been documenting it on his radio show.
If the courts are actually examining the attempts to create new entities specifically to elude bankruptcy, there's so much evidence of intent on Alex's part just from his show.
He's talked openly about how he was creating these new businesses that he technically didn't own, and if he was able to keep Infowars, he would fold them back into the old business.
He's been super clear about trying to migrate the customers from the Infowars store to the Alex Jones store, and he's explicitly told people to stop buying from the Infowars store around the time of his last court date.
There's very strong evidence that he's been trying to wind down the Infowars business to leave his creditors with a valueless thing while he escapes to a new entity that has someone else's name on it, but he still runs.
These companies like the Alex Jones Store and the Alex Jones Network are technically owned by different people, so they wouldn't be a part of Alex's estate.
But if they were created as part of a scheme to defraud the bankruptcy court, Chase's name being on some of those documents isn't going to change shit.
And in fact, it might get Chase in some trouble too.
So as it turns out, Alex was correct that there was a story he needed to get ahead of.
On June 13th, the trustee in Alex's bankruptcy, Christopher Murray, sued Alex and all of the associated companies he has, like PQPR, PLJR, the AEJ Trust, and Alex's dad.
The complaint alleges that no less than $1.4 million had been funneled through these companies for no real value and in a blatant attempt to shield the debtor's assets from the debtor's substantial creditors.
The suit describes this as a part of an obvious scheme to place the debtor's property beyond the reach of his creditors.
Not only that, but he also sued Alex's wife or maybe ex-wife on the same day, seeking to, quote, avoid and recover a series of textbook fraudulent transfers from the debtor to his wife.
This filing alleges that Alex, quote, engaged in an intentional and planned asset protection scheme to transfer cash, cars and real estate to insiders, including his wife and father, in order to shield those assets from creditors.
This included $1.5 million in cash he stashed with his wife, quote, three luxury vehicles, a ranch and more than $500,000 in cash to his father.
And then on top of all of that, he transferred ownership of real estate he owned to the, quote, Alexander E. Jones Descendant and Beneficiary Trust.
This suit looks pretty bad, but it also alleges that the transfers of property to Alex's dad were backdated, quote, ostensibly to misrepresent the date of the transfer and make it appear as if the property had been conveyed outside the typical four-year look-back period for five years.
So this suit also contained some information about Alex's marriage agreement.
Apparently, when he married his second wife, they had a premarital agreement that said that he would have to pay her $12,000 a month while they were married, with a 4% increase per year compounded annually.
So we've played this game way too many times for me to jump on this and say that this is finally going to be the time when Alex faces consequences, but if this thread gets pulled sufficiently, it goes places, and he's committed crimes.
So, like, if I were him, I'd be a little bit worried about this.
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What I find fascinating is that I truly believe that the moment the default judgment happened, If you had listened to our show, you would have started bankruptcy fraud proceedings then, right?
But instead, we're three years in.
And now we're starting it.
Now, here's the thing, though.
I think the only possible place that you could not instantly conclude that he has committed fraud of multiple types over a long period of time is the very bankruptcy court wherein he resides.
It's like, it's just so much the microcosm of the macrocosm problem that we're experiencing, wherein it seems crazy to me that everybody in that room can't just go, you know we're crazy, right?
And I think that any court – I think we've now learned that if you are dealing with Alex in a legal setting – Your Honor, unfortunately, we have been struggling to sue the Tasmanian Devil for his spinning problem.
Well, I mentioned in the Tucker show that one of the things that the CIA really loves is when a president either has no foreign policy or intelligence policy experience or isn't really interested in foreign policy or intelligence policy because he's.
They seek to recruit, and I use air quotes, to recruit new presidents-elect.
What they do is the day after an election, the president-elect is granted his first PDB briefing, PDB standing for president's daily brief.
And what the CIA loves to do is to go into that briefing and say, Mr. President-elect, Wait until you see the cool things that we are doing all around the world.
And besides the actual PDB, which is usually 16 pages, they'll have memos with a blue border around them or a black border that denote that they are classified at a level above top secret.
There could be six levels above top secret.
And they draw that president-elect in.
And they make him one of the guys, one of the gang.
And then the next day, they go in and they say, Mr. President, we want to give you an update on those cool things we briefed you on yesterday.
Just wait until you hear what we're doing all around the world.
And by the time he takes the oath of office, they've recruited him.
On the one hand, he was in the CIA, and he was the first person to publicly disclose that the CIA was using waterboarding in their interrogations of Al-Qaeda members.
On the other hand, the process that he took to disclose this information wasn't in line with protected whistleblower paths, and he ended up being sentenced to 30 months in jail for giving classified information to a journalist.
If the totality of the classified information that he turned over was the revelation of torture it would be crazy that he wouldn't just be given whistleblower protection but he also disclosed information that revealed the identities of other intelligence agents that were still working undercover which makes things a bit messy.
I think he probably still shouldn't have been charged, but I can totally see how it happened.
Since this all went down, John's gone on to host a show for Sputnik and spent $50,000 lobbying Trump for a pardon, only for an associate of Rudy Giuliani's to tell him that it would cost $2 million.
He was recently on with Tucker, so Alex is getting a bit of that backwash.
And it's an interesting interview because I think this guy's a drunkenist.
Yeah.
But he also worked for the CIA.
And so I know he's probably not an idiot, which means some of this dramatized flourish of language, there's a strategic element to it.
And I think he's got Tucker and Alex definitely on the hook.
Okay, so I think it's pretty obvious why those tweets would give Alex a panic attack and a headache.
He can tell himself that he would follow the truth and expose Trump if it turned out that he was in the Epstein files, but that's just pretend.
He's in way too deep now, and that clip we just heard is two and a half minutes of an explanation of why you can't abandon Trump no matter what.
If you stop supporting him, you'll surrender the world to the Democrats or demonic pedophile international criminals.
There's no third option.
Rand Paul isn't coming to save the day.
And without the gravity of Trump, all of his cabinet members and administration aren't shit.
The immediate reaction that Alex is describing is how he tried to process what it was going to take to spin this story.
He instantly took on the reality of what Musk had said and then asked himself, what now?
The first option was saying, sure, Trump is an Epstein client, but he stopped nuclear war, which is an attempt at bargaining.
No one's perfect, so maybe Alex has demonized the other side enough that his audience would just accept Trump as a pedophile compared to the Democrats.
At least he's not a demon pedophile.
Come on, he's cool.
He knew that option was no good, so he came up with another spin, which was to say that whatever evidence Musk might release was a deepfake.
We saw him use this tactic in 2017 when he thought that the tapes of Trump being a big ol' racist on The Apprentice were gonna be released, and technology's only gotten better since then.
This is an angle he could use.
It's all fake.
Basically, Alex is describing a panic that he had upon hearing this news that it was rooted in the knowledge that he can't leave these guys.
That's what the panic was.
In that moment, I would bet that his anxiety was as much about how he was going to spin this shit as it was about a sudden, visceral realization that he's never going to be his own man again.
Ever.
He's fucked.
These two dudes started fighting, and I would imagine his heart was in his throat.
You know, I was – so there was this Harvard professor – there is this Harvard professor who wrote a book, and she was just on Rogan.
Her name is Rebecca Lemov or something, right?
And so I read this book before she was on Rogan, and it made sense whenever I found out she was on Rogan.
It made perfect sense because her book is about brainwashing.
Quote, unquote.
But ultimately, what you can take away from this book, the only real conclusion you can take away from this book, is that it is only reasonable to believe the things that you want to believe that lead to an outcome that you desire.
Right?
Anything else could be brainwashing, or is brainwashing.
And so it makes perfect sense that she would be on Rogan, because that's the type of thing that these people want to hear.
It doesn't matter, you know, it's deepfakes.
Even if I know it's true, it's deepfakes.
Because the only thing that makes sense is to believe what I need to believe or want to believe in order to achieve what I want.
I, when faced with incontrovertible evidence that his narratives are based upon utterly untrue perceptions of things that didn't happen, he's like, Like, that's just what's gonna happen.
What I'm doing is going to a notary public, writing down, they did that without my knowledge, and having the notary click, click, and then I'm good to go.