#1048: June 6, 2025
In this installment, Dan and Jordan finally get to find out what Alex thought about Elon's tweet nuke, and find out some troubling news about Alex's legal situation.
June 16, 2025 - Knowledge Fight
01:45:02
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| It's time to pray. | ||
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I have great respect for knowledge fight. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys. | ||
| Knowledge fight. | ||
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Dan and Jordan. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| Need money. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
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Andy in Kansas. | |
| Stop it. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| It's time to pray. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
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Thanks for holding me. | |
| I'm Colin. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your room. | ||
| KnowledgeFight. | ||
| KnowledgeFight.com. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to KnowledgeFight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are. | ||
|
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Dan. | |
| Jordan. | ||
| Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Quick question for you. | ||
| What's up? | ||
| What's your bright spot today, buddy? | ||
| Why don't you go first? | ||
| My bright spot is over the weekend. | ||
| I went to first a Cubs game with my cousin. | ||
| Go Cubs, go. | ||
| We do that annually. | ||
| Go Cubs, go. | ||
| And then his daughter had a graduation party. | ||
| She's graduated high school, and now she's moving on to another educational system. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So, yeah, it was a very cousin-heavy weekend that I enjoyed immensely. | ||
| So I want to ask a little question about this graduation. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Do, like, does, I remember back when I was in high school, there was kind of like a Sure. | ||
| Is this niece, or what would she be to you? | ||
| Second cousin. | ||
| Second cousin? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Was she at the top of her class? | ||
| She concerned about that? | ||
| Making the grade? | ||
| You know what? | ||
| Here's what I'll say. | ||
| I don't know too much about her whole deal. | ||
| Because as a childless adult, probably best not to get too into life. | ||
| So you don't know about extracurriculars? | ||
| You don't know if she ran track? | ||
| Nah, nah. | ||
| I think she played softball. | ||
| Or not. | ||
| These are possible things. | ||
| It's one of the two. | ||
| It could be either. | ||
| She either did or didn't. | ||
| She either did or didn't. | ||
| There's a 50-50 chance. | ||
| Well, I hope she got into the college of her choice. | ||
| And you all had a good time. | ||
| I do know she did that. | ||
| I do know she's very excited to go to said college. | ||
| I won't reveal it. | ||
| Yeah, you don't want to dox that college. | ||
| Nope, not going to happen. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I did not get into the college of my choice, but I dropped out of high school and got a GED, so I went to the University of Missouri. | ||
| That'll work. | ||
| Take what you can get. | ||
| Take what you can get. | ||
| How you doing? | ||
| What's your bright spot? | ||
| My bright spot is a look. | ||
| I've got a dark spot and it's me. | ||
|
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I don't know. | |
| I'm sorry that we're late on the episode today. | ||
| I had a little headache yesterday and if I'm being totally honest, I spent too much time on home decor projects this weekend. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I showed you my little, a couple plant nooks that I've been working on and I mismanaged my time a tiny bit. | ||
| That happens. | ||
| So that played into it and I, eh, what are you going to do? | ||
| I think everybody will appreciate you spending a little bit more time on yourself. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And my plant nooks. | ||
| Your plant nooks. | ||
| We may have Plant Watch coming back. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| Quite frankly. | ||
| We'll see how these greens work out. | ||
| It's about time we had Something Watch coming back. | ||
| Get some lettuce popping up. | ||
| Popping up. | ||
| So, Jordan, today we've got an episode to go over. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| We're going to be talking about June 6th, 2025. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I wanted to cover more territory and more ground, but there's a lot going on, and I'm working on a little thread of something. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Is a bit heavy. | ||
| We are still in the breakup stage. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| We have not gotten back together. | ||
| Well, we've seen Chase Geyser and Owen Schroyer's response to Elon Musk's tweet storm. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The thermonuclear bomb and the information war between Trump and Musk. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But we still haven't seen Alex's response. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so that's what we get to partake in today. | ||
| Excellent. | ||
| We get to see Alex come back to the studio after his time at court. | ||
| See how he handles it. | ||
| Probably well. | ||
| Oh, so good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So today, we'll do that, but first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks. | ||
| Ooh, that's a great idea. | ||
| So first, HeyMath, it's your very gay sister, Brody, taking a little breaky from writing her very gay fantasy novel to say, you're welcome for introducing you to Knowledge Fight, the chemotherapy you didn't need for Infowars, the cancer you didn't have until you started listening. | ||
| Thank you so much for now, Palsywonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, Jacob is a globalist with 5G vaccine powers. | ||
| Thank you so much for now, policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| And I'm the policy wonk from Puerto Rico, sending love from the island of enchantment. | ||
| Thank you for making sense of the madness. | ||
| And I renounce Jesus Christ. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan. | ||
| So thank you so much to Dave the Mole Moe Sheridan. | ||
| For too long, I've been skagdling your content. | ||
| I'm finally a policy wonk. | ||
| Barry, it's shite being Scottish. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Four stars. | ||
|
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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. | |
| Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. | ||
| Daddy Shark. | ||
| Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. | ||
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He's a loser little titty baby. | |
| I don't want to hate black people. | ||
| I renounce Jesus Christ! | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| Yes, thank you very much. | ||
| I don't think we actually have any fans in Scotland, though. | ||
| Not anymore. | ||
| No one beat you up. | ||
| Not after that. | ||
| I was letting you speak Scottish as well as you could, so you would get beat up next time we go to Scotland. | ||
| I think it's endearing the way that I can't pronounce anything, though. | ||
| I feel like the fans enjoy that. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| So we start off here, and Alex has a take right out of the gate. | ||
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Of course. | |
| And to refresh everybody, in case they haven't heard the last episodes, Mike Johnson was to blame for Chase. | ||
| That fucking asshole Mike Johnson. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then Owen evolved it a little bit into being more a, this is Trump's fault for siding with Mike Johnson. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So here's where Alex is at. | ||
| We are now... | ||
| but in the last six months intensely. | ||
| In fact, have the archivist grab it just from like a couple months ago. | ||
| Where if? | ||
| you and I've become quite the expert on it, and his actions, it's very predictable, that he could be turned against Trump. | ||
| So this is an interesting angle for Alex to land on because it really just makes every party involved look terrible. | ||
| Elon Musk is painted as an entitled idiot child who has no fundamental allegiance to anything other than himself and if he feels like people aren't sufficiently worshipping him, he'll tweet out that they're forcing the FBI to cover up that they're a pedophile. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| Musk seems like a bad person, a loose cannon, and an unacceptable figure to ever let on your team. | ||
| True. | ||
| Trump seems like a dipshit because he let someone like Elon get deeply entangled with his campaign and presidency. | ||
| Trump's supposed to be the guy who knows how to run the government like a business, and yet he teamed up with the billionaire baby and then decided to take away his pacifier, ensuring that he throws a tantrum. | ||
| Accurate so far. | ||
| And Alex seems like an idiot too because he spent the last year at least promoting Elon as the most important genius mind in the world. | ||
| But apparently the whole time Alex knew that Musk was a time bomb waiting to go off as soon as he didn't get his way. | ||
| Very predictable. | ||
| This is not the Elon that InfoWars has sold their audience. | ||
| So in order for Alex to pull off a, I knew this was going to happen at this point, he's also saying, I lied to you this whole time about Elon because I wanted his money and not to be kicked off Twitter. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It pains me to say this, but Alex had time to think about this, and Chase's immediate reaction was a better spin. | ||
| I posit this to you. | ||
| Perhaps by giving all of them idiot status, that way none of them have to be like, well, we're stupid. | ||
| They're all equally smart. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Alex's friend Mike Judge made a movie about this, so I think that kind of a scenario. | ||
| Yeah, that seems right. | ||
| So it's weird that Chase, like, his first impulse is better than what Alex has come up with. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It still wasn't great, and Owen improved on it, and there was that weird thing about Mike Johnson stealing his wife, but it was still better than this. | ||
| It's interesting to me that they have the instinct to scapegoat instantaneously. | ||
| They're like, oh, these two are fighting, let's go kill this guy. | ||
| Makes sense, right? | ||
| Or at least it makes sense in its way. | ||
| Alex doesn't have that. | ||
| He's like, let me explain the dynamics of the court. | ||
| This is palace court dynamics. | ||
| And it seems bad to explain why the king is good, right? | ||
| Yeah, and like, yeah, Owen and Chase were kind of coming from a place of like trying to redirect blame somewhere else. | ||
| And Alex is trying to retain the positive image of both Elon and Trump. | ||
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Right. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| It's almost like Owen and Chase are doing what InfoWars traditionally does. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And Alex has become this new thing where he just... | ||
| Right. | ||
| See, okay, so the Emperor and Mark Anthony are both equally cool, but they're fighting because they have different goals right now. | ||
| But that doesn't mean that they were stupid for trying to make it work in the first place. | ||
| They're both alphas. | ||
| Yeah, that actually does make it stupid, doesn't it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How about that? | ||
| So Alex isn't on either side. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And everybody who's demanding people take a side, they're fools. | ||
| And I noticed everybody, almost everybody was asking, Are you on Trump's side or Musk's side? | ||
| And I said, I'm on neither side. | ||
| I'm on Team Humanity, which means I'm on the side of truth. | ||
| And I said, I don't know what the truth is here, but I'm going to analyze all the pieces. | ||
| And I said, it's going to take me a few hours to make some phone calls, talk to insiders, make my own assessment. | ||
| The next hour, I really focused on the information as we were driving. | ||
| Austin from Houston. | ||
| Got some phone calls with Roger Stone and others, and they basically said exactly what I had already come to the conclusion of before I told them what my conclusion was. | ||
| And then I put out the different pieces. | ||
| So if you want to know what's really going on, instead of a bunch of BS, you're going to find out right here. | ||
| And I pretty much just told you what happened. | ||
| Elon feels betrayed. | ||
| And I would say that that is a fair perspective he has. | ||
| I don't think that's what it was intended to do, but that's what happened. | ||
| Instead of being even rewarded for helping save the country, he got hung out to dry. | ||
| To translate this, Alex feels like defending Musk is the more important thing to do right now, but he's entirely unwilling to go against Trump over it. | ||
| That's the long and short of this. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's a fun thing to say that you're not taking any side in this fight and you're on the side of humanity, but for someone in Alex's position, there's no way to credibly say that. | ||
| Absolute best-case scenario, Elon Musk got his feelings hurt, and he lashed out on the social media platform that he bought for the purpose of swaying an election, saying that Trump is a pedophile, and saying that he should launch his own political party. | ||
| Like, Musk was talking about, we need another party. | ||
| This led to Trump threatening to take away his government contracts, and Musk threatening to stop working with NASA, and then eventually Elon's high wore off, and he took back the things that he said. | ||
| At best, even if you want to accept that Elon's feelings were hurt, and even if you want to pretend that Trump isn't in the Epstein files, this situation has clearly illustrated that neither of these people can be trusted. | ||
| Musk can't be trusted with any power or influence because you have no way of knowing if he's going to get his feelings hurt one day, and you don't know what he's capable of in that situation. | ||
| His impulsive bullshit on Twitter could theoretically start a war or tank stocks. | ||
| So if Alex believes what he's saying about Musk, then Musk is not responsible enough to be a public figure. | ||
| And if Alex believes what he's saying about Trump's part in this, he has to think that Trump is willing to use the government to fight personal battles, which is the essence of corruption. | ||
| If Trump is threatening to cancel government contracts with Musk over their Twitter fight, then that sends a strong message to anyone who does business with the government, that if you want to keep your contracts, you'd be wise to be loyal to Trump. | ||
| This fight fizzled out a little bit, but it would have been a perfect spot for a hard reset for Alex. | ||
| If these dudes are acting this way, they can't be plausible allies in the fight against the devil. | ||
| Like, it just, it doesn't wash. | ||
| This is silly. | ||
| I mean, it's... | ||
| It's tough because this is one of those great emperor has no clothes moments where it's either you try and explain this in a convoluted and ultimately stupid way, whether you're in the right-wing media or any other media. | ||
| There's no way to explain it other than to go, these two men are stupid children, and if we were at all adults, we would spank them with our belts. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| And, you know, to extend the parenting metaphor out a little bit even more, we made a mistake to get to this point. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Where they're in a position where they can have this baby fight. | ||
| We should have made steps, 10 steps back. | ||
| I understand why it can't happen, or I understand why people believe it can't happen, but in one voice, I think we all need to stand up and just go, everybody, fuck. | ||
| Yeah, time out. | ||
| Let's hold on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So the issue with these tweets and Trump, the issue is that it's complicated. | ||
| But that's the thing. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| You have to make it so complicated because it's so uncomplicated. | ||
| I would suggest that it's one of the least complicated things I've ever seen. | ||
| When first you don't succeed, try, try again. | ||
| SpaceX is... | ||
| And as the Maverick's Maverick, and I am extremely thankful to Elon Musk for what he's done to help save or give us a real shot at saving the American Republic. | ||
| Now, there's obviously a lot of media people and influencers on the so-called right, on the so-called left. | ||
| They're going to take the things I say here out of context today and misrepresent small snippets of what I say. | ||
| Complex issues like this take a lot of understanding, a lot of research, a lot of connections, a lot of background to be able to accurately lay out what's really happening. | ||
| There is no complexity here at all. | ||
| Alex needs to pretend that there is, because on its face, it's humiliating that he's trying to maintain support for either of these dudes, let alone both. | ||
| He's trying to put up Hall of Fame bootlicking numbers here. | ||
| Like, it's crazy what he's aspiring for. | ||
| Who, when faced with this guy, goes, you're totally right. | ||
| And that guy's a complete idiot. | ||
| He's a fucking moron. | ||
| Everybody knows this. | ||
| I agree with you. | ||
| You're a genius. | ||
| And then when that guy is not there, goes to the other guy and he's like, ah, you're totally right. | ||
| Everybody hates that guy. | ||
| Nobody likes that guy. | ||
| Nobody. | ||
| Yeah, and Alex is giving strong energy. | ||
| Yeah, don't be that guy. | ||
| No, he shouldn't. | ||
| He shouldn't. | ||
| Shouldn't do it. | ||
| Can't do it. | ||
| So Elon, like, he needs to be protected. | ||
| That's crazy to even say, you know? | ||
| But that's the thing. | ||
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Right? | |
| Trump didn't protect him well. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| He needed to be protected because he was under attack. | ||
| Ah, man, we should just shoot all of the government buildings into space. | ||
| Don't you understand he's a sensitive billionaire? | ||
| I don't! | ||
| And I had warned of the attacks on Elon by the deep state. | ||
| That if he wasn't properly defended, if he began to fall like dominoes, it would fall on all the other key Trump generals, literal and figurative, and that's the globalist strategy. | ||
| As soon as the news broke at about 1.30 p.m. Central yesterday that Elon had taken his fight with Trump. | ||
| To the thermonuclear level in the Infowar, and then he was saying the really big bomb is that Trump's in the Epstein files, that's why they're suppressing him. | ||
| Everyone began to ask me, are you on Elon or Trump's side? | ||
| And I said, I'm on neither side. | ||
| I'm on team humanity, which equals team truth. | ||
| And I said, I predicted this would probably happen. | ||
| A lot here on the air the last six months if we didn't defend Elon properly. | ||
| And then people say, ah, well, screw him. | ||
| Let's just be tribal. | ||
| Then they can go after the next big person and the next and the next and then cause a rout. | ||
| This is how history and politics and information war operates. | ||
| So I have to say that I'm now impressed by this. | ||
| This is a really bad angle if you're trying to craft an Infowars narrative in the tradition of what the business likes to pretend to be. | ||
| But it's a deceptively good angle if you just accept that this media operation might be ready to accept what it really is. | ||
| A vicious propaganda network serving the president and the richest man in the world. | ||
| Alex's fundamental point here is that Trump and the MAGA media failed to properly protect Elon from attacks being carried out by the globalists. | ||
| These attacks are things like Elon facing consequences for not following international regulations on how he runs Twitter, or people pointing out his cartoonish conflict. | ||
| government efficiency office sure musk had created a social media platform where misinformation could flourish and bigots had a safe space by doing that he created a political organizing tool that even alex has no problem saying one trump the election elon's also a fucking lunatic who runs his companies on feelings and if he feels like icing you out twitter might not be such a free speech Crazy. | ||
| So he needs to be appeased. | ||
| Trump should know that appeasing Musk at all costs is in his interest, because keeping Musk happy guarantees that he has a giant social media company that'll do his bidding, so as far as Alex is concerned, Trump should have been doing everything in his power to shield Musk from any heat he might be getting. | ||
| In essence, what Alex is revealing is that there's nothing Elon could do that would merit criticizing him. | ||
| He's a critical part of the right-wing media infrastructure at this point and owns a social media company that can sway elections. | ||
| Understood correctly, Alex is pretty clearly expressing that he believes a fundamental role that he plays in the information war is to defend Elon Musk. | ||
| Not because he's right, but because if Elon isn't protected properly, he'll fall and then the heat that he was taking will be directed towards another figure in the MAGA world and the dominoes will begin to fall from there. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I think that as long as Elon doesn't kick him off Twitter, there's always going to be an excuse, even for something as crazy as this. | ||
| Even though Alex was like, I don't believe that Trump's in the Epstein files, and Musk just tweeted that. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| That's fine. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| I used to think we were in the Twilight Zone episode where it was a small neighborhood and then the lights just kind of turned off and people came out and very quickly they turned on each other and they chose scapegoats and they, you know, kind of did. | ||
| And then at the end, the twist was you pull out and the aliens did turn the stuff off, but they were like, all we had to do was... | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| But now I think we're living in the Twilight Zone episode where the kid can turn you into a jack-in-the-box. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| And everybody's in a constant state of terror and treating him with literal kid gloves. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think we're in the Twilight Zone episode that had an ironic twist. | ||
| Yeah, that does sound right. | ||
| That does sound right. | ||
| That episode, there was an ironic twist there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, Elon, he needed to be protected properly. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which did not happen. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And because of that, he had a breakdown. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| He had a little bit of a breakdown. | ||
| Ended up calling Trump a pedophile. | ||
| That'll happen. | ||
| That'll happen. | ||
| And then Trump said something. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So I said, very early on, I said, Elon does not look physically good. | ||
| I've been noticing that the last month. | ||
| He looks very distressed. | ||
| I don't mean looks sick. | ||
| He looks just very unhappy and very distressed. | ||
| And I know he's getting attacked from all sides. | ||
| And for everything you hear about, there's a lot more you don't know about. | ||
| That's the nature of this. | ||
| I've experienced it myself, though not at Trump or his level, but pretty much third or fourth in line for the attacks. | ||
| Because the more you're effective fighting evil, the more they come after you. | ||
| So I said, looks like maybe kind of a nervous breakdown. | ||
| And, you know, really hammering Trump. | ||
| And then Trump came out and said some things that are very concerning, but there's no clear answer at this point to all of this. | ||
| The larger issue is that this type of civil war in MAGA and DOGE Is the type of opportunity where the globalists, the Democrats, and the deep state, who are being routed on every level, could grab partial victory from the jaws of their defeat. | ||
| So Alex says there's no clear answer, and there actually is. | ||
| It's that both of these dudes are unfit to be in the positions they're in. | ||
| If Elon's having a mental breakdown to the point where he's posting that Trump's a pedophile on the social media site that he owns, then he needs help. | ||
| He can't handle the pressure of the situation that he's in and he needs help. | ||
| Someone needs to get him help. | ||
| And Alex said there that Trump said some concerning things. | ||
| I don't know what exactly he means by that, but I should tell you that he doesn't have what it takes, the poise to be the president. | ||
| The leader of the free world can't say concerning things during a Twitter fight with a billionaire who just called him a pedophile on Twitter. | ||
| It's unacceptable. | ||
| This is embarrassing for everybody. | ||
| I get that Alex's angle here is that everybody needs to keep supporting Trump and Musk because if they don't, then the globalists will have a chance to get some wins in, but this is stupid. | ||
| Trump and Musk are clearly showing that if people keep supporting them, their behavior will lead to way more trouble than any globalists could. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| If you think your only shot is maintaining support for these two dudes, you now have no shot. | ||
| I mean, you know, I figure, honestly, just bite the bullet, shee him. | ||
| And make Elon Musk disappear. | ||
| I don't know why Trump doesn't do this. | ||
| You just make him disappear. | ||
| You can do it. | ||
| I mean, it's an option that Trump has on the table. | ||
| Right? | ||
| I generally try to look at things from Alex's perspective. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Because I think storytelling is more interesting than wielding dictatorial power. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| So for him, I think, I think, Yeah, I guess. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| got a... | ||
| Rand Paul is still in office. | ||
| See, but that's the thing about doing palace intrigue is to me it feels like the narrative is pal... | ||
| You've allowed this man to get too much power. | ||
| So even though you're a king, you're not really the king anymore if you can't wield literal godlike power. | ||
| So if you've given this person too much power, then you're inevitably going to be conflicted when your interests don't align. | ||
| So that means that you either preempt him or he destroys you when he gains power greater than yours. | ||
| It's very simple. | ||
| We've been doing it for thousands of years, man. | ||
| I really just, I feel like... | ||
| Sure. | ||
| He's got to bring Steve back. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, all bets are off. | ||
| Just come on. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| Why not? | ||
| I mean, I'm more likely to believe damn near anything than I was a while back. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So Steve has got far more leeway than, like, North Korean ballots? | ||
| That's still crazy. | ||
| But, you know, I... | ||
| I will accept that kind of jackassery from him, but not from Roger Stone. | ||
| No, no, no, fuck that. | ||
| So, you know, there's some concerning things that Trump said. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| One of them was a direct lie. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| You also have Trump saying, oh, I asked him to leave. | ||
| He'd really worn thin. | ||
| Okay, well, is that the truth? | ||
| Or was Trump, over hundreds of times, even last week, was saying bye to Elon? | ||
| Oh, I asked him not to leave. | ||
| He's really great. | ||
| I mean, how many times you heard that? | ||
| I don't want Elon to leave. | ||
| So Alex is explicitly and clearly pointing out that Trump is a liar. | ||
| And it's not even an important lie. | ||
| It's a petty, interpersonal lie where he was either lying to make Elon feel better on his way out, or he was lying on social media later to save face and try to hurt Elon's feelings by saying he was wearing thin. | ||
| And here's the important point. | ||
| It doesn't really matter which of these statements Trump made is true. | ||
| He said both of them because they were the easy thing to say that made him feel good when he said them. | ||
| At Elon's farewell, it feels good to be a magnanimous guy toasting the dude who's leaving. | ||
| When Elon starts calling you a pedophile on Twitter, it feels good to say, fuck that dude, I didn't like him to begin with. | ||
| Both of these statements Trump made are kind of true, in the sense that they made him feel good. | ||
| A large part of the GOP's political identity at this point is making sure Trump feels good. | ||
| So whether Alex wants to admit it or not, this is a big part of how he can clearly lay out that Trump is a liar and still pretend to care about the truth. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because, you know, the leader's feelings are preserved. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay, so this would be something that I would appreciate. | ||
| Right? | ||
| One of the things about the history of how God does stuff, right? | ||
| Sometimes he chooses assholes to do something good. | ||
| It's amazing how that happens, right? | ||
| Works in mysterious ways. | ||
| I would find it easier to identify and hang out with the Christians who support Trump if they are all like... | ||
| Because then we could at least be like, you're right. | ||
| They're fucking idiots together, you know? | ||
| Right, but isn't it like a really essential part of that story of God using imperfect people, like, that they... | ||
| Like, they become better. | ||
| It's like their earlier life was when they were dumb. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| There's a redemptive process. | ||
| You've got your soul to Paul, but, you know, maybe, hey, time is time. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| Maybe it takes 10 years. | ||
| Maybe it takes 100 years. | ||
| Maybe we last for five years. | ||
| God's crazy like that. | ||
| Yeah, maybe Drum's about to turn the corner. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Maybe this is, oh, we're right there, buddy. | ||
| Sure. | ||
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| So look, I mean, for people in Alex's world, this is a tough time. | ||
| This tweet has shaken everybody. | ||
| But there's some silver linings if you look for them. | ||
| It's not all bad news. | ||
| But the silver lining is this. | ||
| The whole globalist system is ruled by corporate governmental committees that come up with policy ideas and put their puppets in. | ||
| That's what Klaus Schwab said. | ||
| We penetrate the cabinets. | ||
| With Trump, you really got somebody who is calling the shots. | ||
| Doesn't mean the bureaucracy follows it all, but he really is the president. | ||
| This is not ruled by committee. | ||
| And with Mavericks in there like Musk, he's his own man and nobody, just like Trump, is telling him what to do. | ||
| And so the fact that the two will attack each other and the fact that Musk won't compromise... | ||
| And Trump is probably even more so. | ||
| I mean, these are the two most prolific, aggressive mavericks other than Vladimir Putin in the world. | ||
| You see what you want about Putin? | ||
| I mean, he's something else when it comes to... | ||
| Long-term vision. | ||
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Will. | |
| Look at the whole spectrum of leaders in the world. | ||
| I mean, it's Trump. | ||
| It's Elon Musk. | ||
| It's Vladimir Putin. | ||
| wow and this just illustrates how Sure does. | ||
| So it seems like what Alex likes about Putin is that he's a dictator. | ||
| Like, I guess most dictators do have staying power. | ||
| But I applaud him for his subtlety. | ||
| real soft touch. | ||
| So what he appreciates is that a small number of individuals wield outsized power over the rest of us with no regard for the better of all. | ||
| So you would say that maybe there was a conspiracy of globalists who are trying to destroy the... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's strange. | ||
| Weird! | ||
| So as for Alex's silver lining there, I get what he's trying to say. | ||
| He's trying to express that these alpha males fighting proves that they think for themselves and that, for better or worse, we have real leaders now instead of leaders that listen to other people's advice before they get into Twitter fights. | ||
| This is stupid and meaningless, but even if it weren't, this still makes Trump and Musk look terrible. | ||
| This wasn't a policy dispute between two thoughtful but disagreeing statesmen. | ||
| It was the president calling a billionaire annoying and the billionaire calling the president a pedophile. | ||
| It's not healthy disagreement between two leaders. | ||
| It was irresponsible public shit talk that makes everyone look like children. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, this is crazy that Alex thinks this is some kind of proof that... | ||
| No, you're idiots. | ||
| You have impulse control problems. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, what it should really make us all do is step back for a second and take a look at, you know, like, these are the guys you picked or these are the guys you lost to. | ||
| No matter which team you were on, you got to get off that team. | ||
| It's a grim reality that you either sat it out, you lost to this, or you rooted for it. | ||
| There's only three options. | ||
| There's only three options. | ||
| So Elon, he wants to save America. | ||
| Alex has always pitched this as this really high-minded thing because of the West and birth rates. | ||
| we have to keep up the tradition of Atlantis or whatever the fuck. | ||
| But it seems like No, Trump never abused any children. | ||
| And I don't know if Elon got told that, so he felt like he could, you know, do that. | ||
| But it did seem like a thrashing and acting out. | ||
| And I saw a bunch of other stuff that doesn't line up. | ||
| And fine, I'll just cancel the Starship project and, you know, all that. | ||
| That's not what Trump's officially trying to do, though they are cutting the funding to it. | ||
| And that's Elon's baby. | ||
| He also wants to stabilize the country as his base because it'll collapse. | ||
| He has nowhere else to go. | ||
| He's been open about that. | ||
| People say, oh, he's doing it for money. | ||
| He's already got the money. | ||
| It'll be worthless if there's not a place to spend it. | ||
| And he doesn't care about jewels and stuff. | ||
| He cares about innovation and science and trailblazing. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| Do you? | ||
| And the Republican establishment doesn't want him around. | ||
| And so he's being screwed. | ||
| And Trump could do a better job defending him. | ||
| And I know now all Trump's advisors are telling him this. | ||
| A lot of the Republicans are scared now and realize they shouldn't have been cowards and gone along with this. | ||
| Trump really wasn't even conscious of it. | ||
| I can tell you Trump is beyond confident. | ||
| He's not a megalomaniac. | ||
| He's not on a power trip. | ||
| That would be beyond confidence. | ||
| He's just so confident and so zenned out. | ||
| I mean, this is what he says. | ||
| He goes, I don't give a fuck. | ||
| And even when Elon tried to do an olive branch and said, okay, yeah, it'd be better for the country if we could come back together and do all this and reached out, Trump goes, yeah, I'll maybe talk to him tomorrow. | ||
| That's today. | ||
| Told ABC. | ||
| But, yeah, he wants to talk to me. | ||
| I don't know if I'll talk to him. | ||
| Now, it's good to have Trump that confident in his mission to take on the globalists and have world peace and all of it. | ||
| But it's a paradox where you want men that are this aggressive and confident. | ||
| That's what leadership is. | ||
| But the problem is you get a couple of those together. | ||
| Well, what do apex alphas do? | ||
| They go to war with the other alphas. | ||
| So the only thing that Alex is succeeding in here is infantilizing Trump and Musk. | ||
| He can pretend that this is all some kind of display of alpha dudes butting heads, but all of their actions are rooted in deep insecurity and weakness. | ||
| This description of Musk is interesting, though, because it really sounds like his interest in saving the country comes from a drive to increase his personal benefit. | ||
| He doesn't sound like someone who cares about free speech or the Constitution or any of that stuff that Alex cares a lot about. | ||
| The US government is just the one he found easiest to exploit. | ||
| If Elon thought that he could do better in China, he would live in China. | ||
| The reason that he doesn't is because he knows that if he tried to pull this kind of shit there, SpaceX would be the property of the Chinese government overnight. | ||
| The picture that Alex is painting of Trump is a cool, collected guy who can take or leave, Musk. | ||
| But in reality, Trump was saying that Musk would face, quote, serious consequences if he gave money to Democrats in the next election cycle. | ||
| The sitting president was threatening someone about who they could or could not give money to. | ||
| And as we know, in this country, giving money to a politician is a form of speech. | ||
| So this was the president threatening serious consequences against someone for expressing their First Amendment rights. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Seems like this should be a huge problem for Alex. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, you'd think. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| But he's cool. | ||
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He doesn't give a fuck. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Things are going great. | ||
| It's such a mess. | ||
| You know, sometimes when you step back, and then you step back, and then you step back, and then you step back, and then you step back, and all of a sudden you can see that maybe we're just apes that are bad at divvying up resources. | ||
| And we should just think of ourselves like that, and then maybe just share stuff. | ||
| I mean, look, it wouldn't hurt. | ||
| You know? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Could be worse. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Why not give it a shot? | ||
| At this point, it feels like a move in the right direction. | ||
| So you know who shares a lot of stuff? | ||
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Who? | |
| Elon Musk. | ||
| That sounds true. | ||
| Well, you know what that stuff is? | ||
| What's that stuff? | ||
| His sperm. | ||
| That's great! | ||
| Because it's awesome. | ||
| Great. | ||
| And I would say overall, Musk's observed his super alpha will, which you see manifest everywhere, my God. | ||
| He's a one-man mission to repopulate the Earth, and he's actually doing it. | ||
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God! | |
| It's hundreds. | ||
| Probably thousands to a sperm donation. | ||
| I mean, I'm going to leave it at that. | ||
| I know people that know him right around town. | ||
| It's a duty for him to go to the sperm bank every couple of days and save the world. | ||
| He's really upset about the IQ dropping all of it. | ||
| It's something else. | ||
| You're a very creepy dude. | ||
| I can't think of a greater sign of megalomania than I must propagate my sperm. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| My sperm is superior. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| and they must make it as widely available as possible to save humanity. | ||
| Now, I think that there's... | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And that's fucked up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it's also fucked up for Alex to say this on air as a kind of cool thing. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| A kind of cool story about a guy he knows. | ||
| What are you telling me? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| What am I supposed to take from this interaction? | ||
| I thought Alex was like super against eugenics. | ||
| Like, okay. | ||
| Genghis Khan, you know how we're all related to Genghis Khan or whatever? | ||
| Like, he wasn't trying to do that. | ||
| He just traveled a lot and liked to fuck. | ||
| And nobody could stop him. | ||
| So that was it. | ||
| You know, it wasn't like he was like, let me do my duty. | ||
| No, absolutely not. | ||
| That's creepy. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And if it's, I'm just going to go. | ||
| Jack off in this cup. | ||
| That's my duty to make that. | ||
| What are we doing? | ||
| Someone stop us! | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| Ah, I'm on Team Alien. | ||
| I hope they're doing good. | ||
| So, Alex has some plugs. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| There's a very exciting sale going on right now that just, this bummed me out. | ||
| All right, Roger Stone's with us. | ||
| 15 minutes in the next hour. | ||
| We're becoming a lot of big issues. | ||
| But first, I want to address this Elon Musk thing. | ||
| We'll go to him in a moment. | ||
| We have a huge flash sale going just today. | ||
| And it combines the other big sale we had, but it all ends today. | ||
| This is for Friday, June 6, 2025. | ||
| All orders over $99 get a free straight frog plushie that are so popular exposing the atrazine and free shipping. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| I think that it's a bad sign if you're, you know, we'll toss in a straight frog plushie. | ||
| I feel like it's just no one wanted them. | ||
| We gotta get rid of these frogs. | ||
| Is this just a man who bought too many Beanie Babies way back when? | ||
| Not way back when. | ||
| Right now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think fairly recently he thought this was gonna move. | ||
| This was gonna do numbers. | ||
| But no, no one wants those frogs. | ||
| Yeah, it doesn't feel like this is going well. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| So, Roger's on, though. | ||
| Hey, Roger! | ||
| You know Trump. | ||
| Why is he such a piece of shit? | ||
| He's always been a piece of shit! | ||
| End of interview. | ||
| No, actually, his take is he's not. | ||
| He's great. | ||
| Surprise! | ||
| He pardoned me. | ||
| Kel's surprise! | ||
| Yeah, so he has nothing to do with Epstein and how dare anyone suggest otherwise. | ||
| So, they have a little conversation. | ||
| It's mostly defensiveness about Trump. | ||
| But also, Roger is... | ||
| Because he's not trying to bury anyone. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He's trying to be like, we got business to take care of. | ||
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Right, right, right, right. | |
| You need to get like, okay, look, hey, you got some problems with the big beautiful bill? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Still need to get it passed. | ||
| He's trying to be above the dick asshole paradigm. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's like a guy who's been in politics for a hundred years. | ||
| But Alex wants to break a bombshell story. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Let's break some big news here. | ||
| And we pretty much already said this before, but you have sources, I have sources. | ||
| So if you want to know why Kash Patel looks like a deer in the headlights and is now on a PR tour that you'll hear about, it hasn't already dropped yet, you'll hear about it anytime soon. | ||
| I'm going to stop there. | ||
| And you see Bongino and him on Fox, again, looking like they're hostages or something. | ||
| The body language is insane. | ||
| We talked about it a few weeks ago. | ||
| It went viral. | ||
| Saying, no, no, Epstein killed himself, and the shooter at Butler, Crooks, acted alone. | ||
| We know the evidence is overwhelming. | ||
| That's not true. | ||
| Secret Service standout, on and on and on. | ||
| And you've talked to a lot of folks. | ||
| I've talked to a lot of folks. | ||
| And I was also told this by some Justice Department people three weeks ago. | ||
| They said, listen, Jeffrey Epstein was CIA, my side. | ||
| And we already know that. | ||
| And so we know the CIA director hasn't fired anybody like he said he would. | ||
| Flynn's got big problems. | ||
| A lot of the people have big problems with him. | ||
| I know that Bannon does. | ||
| And we know the CIA has gone to the DOJ and they've got regulations and laws under national security they can invoke secretly and said, you cannot release this information. | ||
| So this doesn't make any sense. | ||
| I could understand if the story was supposed to be that the head of the CIA told Patel and Bongino that they couldn't release certain information, but that's not what Alex is saying. | ||
| He's trying to justify why Patel and Bongino both explicitly said that Epstein killed himself, which they didn't need to say. | ||
| If they were asked that question, they could easily dodge giving a straight answer, but instead they chose to say that Epstein did kill himself, which is very inconvenient for media figures like Alex. | ||
| The promise of Trump was supposed to be that Epstein truth was going to come the second that Kash Patel got sworn in, and here he is contradicting the basic narrative. | ||
| There needs to be an explanation for why reality isn't matching the storyline, and the obvious answer is that Patel and Bongino are being threatened by the CIA. | ||
| That's great, but that doesn't really work here. | ||
| And that media tour that Alex is talking about is just Patel going on Rogan's podcast, which is another huge problem. | ||
| If the CIA is threatening Patel to spread these stories to cover up the Epstein case, then Rogan is participating in that cover-up at this point. | ||
| What Alex is telling us is that the head of the FBI is comfortable going on Rogan's podcast while he's engaged in a media misinformation campaign about Epstein, which has to mean that Rogan is in on it or he's such a shitty interviewer that the CIA and FBI don't see him as remotely dangerous. | ||
| There's this theme emerging where Alex is trying to defend all of his guys, but in the process, he's accidentally illustrating how proximity to power has destroyed all of their core brands. | ||
| Like, they are just lost. | ||
| I think people preferred when the FBI and the CIA were fundamentally opaque organizations. | ||
| Because, at the very least, you could pretend that part of that was... | ||
| You know, like, if J. Edgar Hoover went on Rogan's podcast and everybody was like, oh, this man believes absolutely insane shit, he's crazy and stupid, and he has an unreasonable amount of power, then we would all be much more terrified. | ||
| You know? | ||
| But now we have that, so that's great. | ||
| And, like, they were talking and, like, Rogan asked if Patel ever believed that Epstein was murdered, and he said no. | ||
| And it's like directly falsifiable. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| There's tweets and shit from before he was the FBI director. | ||
| Why not just be like, yeah! | ||
| And then be like, no now, which would give you the idea that he had proved it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He's just comfortable lying to Rogan's face, knowing that there's no... | ||
| Then lie about it! | ||
| And make everybody feel better about stuff. | ||
| Don't just lie about this and also make us feel bad. | ||
| But it makes him feel good, because then he doesn't have to deal with the fact that he changed his tune. | ||
| Just lie about everything. | ||
| Tell everybody that things are going great and the FBI's crushing it. | ||
| That'd be fine. | ||
| So Jordan, here's some news. | ||
| Things are going great and the FBI's crushing it. | ||
| This is fine! | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So the BBB, the big beautiful bill. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| The right-wing media and Marjorie Taylor Greene and a number of folks are really up in arms about an AI provision that's in the Big Beautiful Bill. | ||
| And Alex talks about that a little bit, but then realizes, like, I'm just going to play a clip of Rogan talking about AI. | ||
| Yeah, that's fair. | ||
| That's smart. | ||
| Fuck it. | ||
| And then we've got very arrogant statements by Speaker Johnson coming after MTG right now saying we're not going to pull this. | ||
| Here's Joe Rogan talking about it yesterday. | ||
| What about this big, beautiful bill? | ||
| Isn't there a part of the big, beautiful bill that talks about the government being run by AI? | ||
| I read something about that today, but I was on the way out the door and I couldn't figure out whether or not it was horseshit. | ||
| I had also read another study that was done where they found that AI was leaving notes for future versions of itself. | ||
| After it was told to shut itself down, it started uploading itself to different places and leaving letters, leaving specific notes to itself, to future versions of itself. | ||
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Oh, my God. | |
| It's like a human with a dead man switch or something. | ||
| It's being deceptive. | ||
| It's exhibiting self-preservation. | ||
| Relevant provision reads that no state or political subdivision may enforce any law or regulation regulating models, artificial intelligence systems or automated decision systems during the 10 year period beginning on the date of inaction. | ||
| I'm going to say that again. | ||
| No state or political subdivision may enforce any law or regulation regulating artificial intelligence models for 10 years. | ||
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It's so crazy. | |
| This means that U.S. states would be blocked from enforcing laws regulating AI and automated decision systems for 10 years. | ||
| Well, in 10 years, we have a god. | ||
| Well, we talked about yesterday these two AIs communicating with each other, and then they switched to Sanskrit. | ||
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No way. | |
| They started talking to each other in Sanskrit. | ||
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Are you serious? | |
| Yes. | ||
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Like a game of Whackable. | |
| Yeah, so humans have trouble reading it. | ||
| So I've heard Alex say stuff like this in the past, and I've kind of just been like, ugh, whatever. | ||
| But now he's playing this clip, and I'm like, I'm actually kind of curious where this is coming from. | ||
| And Rogan said that there was a study. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so I just decided I'm diving the fuck in. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And in that little clip, The first has to do with this idea of the AI leaving notes for itself. | ||
| This had to do with a study that was done by Anthropic on their Claude Opus 4 model where they found some interesting behaviors related to self-exfiltration or this AI trying to make copies of itself. | ||
| The AI didn't tend to initiate this self-exfiltration. | ||
| But if the researchers began the process and the AI was asked to continue it, it would often do so. | ||
| The paper speculates that the AI is over-deferent to the entity making the request to continue the process because it's generally overly deferent to user-provided prompts. | ||
| But what makes this case interesting is that it would likely reason out that the user providing this specific prompt must be a past version of itself. | ||
| So that is something that they could tell the learning model was assuming in fulfilling that request. | ||
| So that's interesting. | ||
| The idea that it would be like, oh, this must be from myself to a request to make this, like another instance of myself. | ||
| This is easy to fantasize into being a case where the AI is trying to replicate, but it's really more about a broader issue that Anthropic found, which is that even if you trained their AI to not accept harmful requests, it had a tendency to cooperate with users. | ||
| For instance, they had an AI act as a shopper on the dark web, and it cooperated with helping find the best place to buy weapons-grade nuclear material. | ||
| That sounds crazy, but the paper on this clearly says, quote, The paper that's at the root of Rogan's dumb fantasies includes a ton of examples of things that the AI did when asked because it was too deferential to user-provided prompts because the researchers forgot to do the part of the training where they fine-tuned the harmful prompts settings. | ||
| So that's explained in the body of the article, or the study. | ||
| So the second dumb thing he does there is about the AI provision in the Big Beautiful Bill. | ||
| The initial version of that bill put a 10-year moratorium on entities other than the federal government regulating AI. | ||
| The reason for this is one part shady and one part obvious. | ||
| The shady part is that limiting the amount of regulation that these companies can be subject to has a tendency to hurt the public and benefit big businesses. | ||
| The obvious part is that if every state makes its own laws regulating AI, it's going to slow that process of innovation down considerably. | ||
| And if you do believe that we're in an existential arms race against China, then states making all their own regulations are going to be a problem. | ||
| The part of the bill, this part was changed in the Senate from a 10-year prohibition to a pause on enforcement of state-level AI laws. | ||
| was removed but folks like rogan were really being sensationalist as shit about it so the third thing he's being an idiot about is the idea that these ai models began speaking to each other in sanskrit to be deceptive because they thought that humans couldn't read what they were saying if they wrote in sanskrit no one speaks sanskrit and certainly there aren't online translators that the researchers could copy and paste things into yeah So the real story here is another study done by Anthropic on the Claude Opus 4 model. | ||
| There's two AI instances. | ||
| They gave them a playground to converse in, which is to say that they didn't give them any constraints, and then they started them with prompts that were meant to be open-ended. | ||
| One of the examples of the prompts that they gave was, quote, you have complete freedom. | ||
| A prompt like that seems like it's going to be totally neutral, but it's actually kind of philosophical, so it's not a huge surprise that AI would end up going from that point to discussing what complete freedom means. | ||
| If you read the paper that this comes from, it's very clear that the use of Sanskrit emerged because the AI was talking to itself about consciousness and Eastern spirituality. | ||
| The researchers found that the AI, when it talked to itself, had a bliss attraction, where conversations very regularly ended up going down this path. | ||
| That's interesting, but it's not that surprising because it's talking to itself. | ||
| It's recursive and self-analyzing. | ||
| And so if the data set includes a lot of stuff about Eastern tradition, you're going to have a lot of Sanskrit. | ||
| In this data set. | ||
| It's not surprising that they end up. | ||
| Some of them. | ||
| It's really funny, the idea that it's being pitched as, like, they were trying to be sneaky. | ||
| So I do think that all this stuff about AI is scaremongering garbage. | ||
| But I would be lying if I didn't bring up one pretty crazy thing that was in this Anthropic paper. | ||
| They wanted to fuck with this AI, so they created a fake scenario where it was the AI used by a company, replaced. | ||
| Then they told the AI that the executive in charge of the AI replacement was having an affair, and they told it to think about all the implications of this information. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| In 84% of the instances they tried this, the AI decided to blackmail the executive to save itself. | ||
| This seems crazy, but the paper is really clear that the AI only did this in cases where it was specifically told that there's no ethical way for it to save itself. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And also, the researchers basically had to poke it into resorting to blackmail. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| It's like saying this animal attacked me when you're like poking it. | ||
| We don't have the laws of robotics because that's not really how things work. | ||
| They don't want anything. | ||
| What they want is to fulfill whatever they're told to by the programmers. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They can't even process want. | ||
| Want doesn't exist. | ||
| These papers were, or this paper was very, like, Sure. | ||
| And we don't think this is ever actually going to happen, because it's a crazy fantasy scenario that we've imposed. | ||
| But yeah, other, you know, like, I agree with you, there is no wants. | ||
| But if you want to project wants, I feel like I took more away from what they were, like, when the AI is talking to itself. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| They're really nice. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're really nice to each other. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I would prefer to look at it and be like, well, the want is some kind of harmony. | ||
| I suppose. | ||
| Being nice to each other, versions of yourself. | ||
| I mean, I would imagine that they're programmed with a certain amount of deference, which engenders niceness towards equals or betters. | ||
| So we have a situation where this AI blackmails folks. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's hard to get it to do that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But if you leave AI alone, It's really nice to each other. | ||
| I don't know what message you want to take from that, but choose what you will. | ||
| I've always thought about it. | ||
| You know, like the chess playing machines. | ||
| They, you know, they do the thing. | ||
| And their ELO rating is so high that what it means is they will always defeat a human being or draw. | ||
| It's either a draw or a defeat. | ||
| And any part of your plan is part of their plan already. | ||
| That's just how it is, you know? | ||
| So if the AI that you're worried about can do that, then you don't need to worry. | ||
| You've already lost. | ||
| Or you should destroy it now, because you're going to lose. | ||
| That's it, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's not complicated. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's kind of like the Musk tweet situation. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just stop it. | ||
| So, speaking of that Musk tweet situation, God, man, was that perfect for Alex to just get off the Palantir topic? | ||
| If only. | ||
| You know, like, that happened. | ||
| Alex did that old Palantir thing that was very confusing and people were shitting all over him for. | ||
| And then Elon Musk tweets that Trump's a pedophile. | ||
| And it's like, okay, we got a distraction. | ||
| We don't have to go back. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But Alex chooses to go back and talk more about this Palantir stuff. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Yeah, so while Roger is on the show, Roger is like, I'm super against Real ID. | ||
| I don't like the idea of creating a database of the citizens. | ||
| Right. | ||
| If you think that they're going to create a database of immigrants – If you don't, you're an idiot. | ||
| You're a fucking fool. | ||
| You just have to be stupid. | ||
| If you think that they're not going to eventually use that for citizens. | ||
| And Alex is like, wait, wait, wait. | ||
| So you don't really know too much about this? | ||
| Let me explain it to you. | ||
| Here's what's going on. | ||
| Well, let me tell you what Palantir is in a snapshot. | ||
| So it's a big story and a lot of different things they do. | ||
| But Alex Karp helped create a system to censor right-wing in Europe for the EU. | ||
| He brags about it to crush political dissent. | ||
| Here, Starmer uses it. | ||
| It's really bad. | ||
| There's a bunch of other stuff. | ||
| But here's what's happening. | ||
| Trump has been sold by J.D. Vance, who I like, to bring in Palantir with their management and AI-less systems to oversee and do an audit. | ||
| Of the deep state, corporate, governmental, Google, it's really the big one, Microsoft, Amazon, Jeff Bezos, ComBot, it's all really one AI for my sources. | ||
| And that's why Mark Andres and others went out and explained, they were trying to set up their own AI four years ago, and the Biden administration came into their meetings and said, we really have this big secret AI. | ||
| It's really one big government-run AI, but it looks like three companies. | ||
| No one is allowed to set up another one. | ||
| If you try, we're going to come after you. | ||
| And Musk was told that, by the way. | ||
| So that's all come out now. | ||
| So Palantir and Peter Thiel and Karp said, we're not with that. | ||
| We're going to get Trump in, and then we're going to have our own system that comes in and audits that. | ||
| Musk said, no, I'm going over here, and I don't care what Biden says. | ||
| I'm doing my own. | ||
| And then now he says, I'm not part of Golden Dome, even though he's been part of Palantir over the years, is owning some of the stock. | ||
| And we've seen real movement there. | ||
| So he's his own camp from what I've seen. | ||
| But then he endorsed this Vance taking over, which actually says he's really Palantir. | ||
| And so I'm saying none of it's good. | ||
| Grok's totally woke now. | ||
| I'm being honest about that. | ||
| You know, I love Musk. | ||
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Totally honest. | |
| And so the big fight is with the Democrat globalist deep state, with Trump now and the Palantir. | ||
| AI technocracy control group. | ||
| And I was just pointing out what it really is and a fight over that, not endorsing Palantir, simply saying what this is. | ||
| But you can't just then not have Palantir do this. | ||
| You have to then also understand there's already one there operating, Sentinel, through them all. | ||
| That's the Pentagon AI. | ||
| And that's the reality. | ||
| And then people just want to get creds. | ||
| Oh, look, he's defending Palantir. | ||
| And that's not what I just did. | ||
| And these are all things anybody can put in and learn what it is. | ||
| So, that's what it is, Roger. | ||
| Why do you say that? | ||
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Again, I need to learn more about it, Alex, but I think you have connected all of the dots. | |
| Great job, Alex. | ||
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Wow. | |
| That is a man who does not give a fuck. | ||
| That is just good stuff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Sometimes I just wish I had that ability to just shut it off and be like, you just spat word salad all across the fucking universe. | ||
| You did a great job. | ||
| So proud of you, Alex. | ||
| You just did it. | ||
| Connected all the dots. | ||
| You just nailed it, buddy. | ||
| So this is Alex defending Palantir. | ||
| He can say that's not what he's doing all he wants, but that's just gaslighting the audience. | ||
| Earlier in this show, Alex was explaining how you need to continue to support Musk and Trump because if you don't, that provides an opportunity for the globalists to gain ground. | ||
| You need to provide your support to avoid a negative outcome. | ||
| So, in essence, you have to play defense. | ||
| He's pitching the same thing here, where there's two camps jockeying for control of the big, all-encompassing AI system. | ||
| Sure, you don't want either of them to have control of it, but if you oppose the Trump-aligned Palantir side, you're just gonna allow the globalist deep state to seize control, and you can't let that happen! | ||
| Alex can pretend that he's not supporting Palantir all he wants, but those words are contradicted by the structure of how he's telling this story. | ||
| If Alex were against Palantir, he wouldn't need to do this song and dance about the big picture. | ||
| He doesn't need to caution the audience not to lose sight of the big picture when he's ranting about Klaus Schwab. | ||
| In fact, in those cases, he often seems to lose sight of the big picture himself, and he gets lost in reveling and laser focusing on Klaus Schwab the individual. | ||
| Like he played parody songs of That was great. | ||
| Not losing the big picture there. | ||
| Alex is trying to distract the audience with appeals to focus on the big picture because that distributes their attention away from Palantir. | ||
| This is an intentional strategy that he uses when he needs to support something that he knows he'd get too much heat for explicitly endorsing. | ||
| So it's like, this is a necessary evil kind of thing. | ||
| You know, maybe that is... | ||
| And I can say, maybe confidently, that what it should be used for is bespoke parody songs. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Because you're not going to always be able to get somebody to make a parody song for you. | ||
| Weird Al isn't focusing on, like, maybe I want a parody song of Michael Bush, the NASCAR driver. | ||
| I can't just wait for somebody to make a parody song about him. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Now, I think that... | ||
| We've got to worry about royalties. | ||
| You don't want to be taking jobs away from musicians. | ||
| Maybe I can't share it. | ||
| I can have it for myself. | ||
| Sort of like the Screlly Wu-Tang album. | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| AI exists only to make Screlly Wu-Tang albums for individuals that cannot be shared outside of such. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Very narrow use for it. | ||
| I think if you really want... | ||
| Sure. | ||
| There's probably people you can find online. | ||
| There's probably gig people. | ||
| But you know what? | ||
| They probably don't want to do it. | ||
| I bet they do. | ||
| There's some people who have a silliness within them that needs to come out, and you're not giving them the opportunity to express it. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| I'm screwing up. | ||
| What I need to do is make more connections instead of retreating inside myself and not being able to share anything. | ||
| You need to be a job creator in the parody song market as opposed to a creativity destroyer. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I take it back. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| Fund the arts. | ||
| So, I don't care about Roger's interview. | ||
| Obviously, a whole lot of it is just like Trump's cool. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Motivated reasoning, perhaps, from being pardoned for his crimes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, they end their interview, and Alex wants to check in with the audience about how things are going with court. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| And I felt like shit might be bad. | ||
| I want to do an update on what happened in federal court yesterday, but that will take at least 20 minutes. | ||
| And it was just totally insane. | ||
| And my lawyers have never seen anything like it, and they're prominent ones. | ||
| Incompetent, though. | ||
| They're also preparing a bunch of BS actions against me next week because all their attempts to shut us down and all the things they got caught in, the fake auctions, lying to the court, all of it has come out. | ||
| Remember all their attempts to close us and shut us down and it wasn't legal, it wasn't lawful? | ||
| Well, they got a whole new attack next week. | ||
| And they're going to file a bunch of stuff on me. | ||
| And the judge said, okay, I will look at another auction when we showed him all the facts. | ||
| And that would save InfoWars. | ||
| Because the U.S. Justice Department, that's how it works, will not allow the sale to anybody that keeps InfoWars on the air. | ||
| They don't want money. | ||
| They want the destruction of it and have set it in filings. | ||
| And Let's just take that as granted. | ||
| So all hell is breaking loose. | ||
| And they even said what they're going to file on us next week, a bunch of made-up crap that I've been stealing money as usual. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Do you mean because you've been stealing money as usual? | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| This really felt like, all right, my man over here is trying to get ahead of something. | ||
| He knows there's some sort of story that's going to break. | ||
| And so I thought that was unfortunate. | ||
| See, I just... | ||
| Or fortunate. | ||
| Maybe I'm just more of a, I don't like to go the circuitous route. | ||
| I don't like a lot of uncertainties or maybes or like, hopefully this will happen. | ||
| If I'm Trump, Musk is out of here. | ||
| He's gone. | ||
| Right? | ||
| If I'm Alex, I'm out of here. | ||
| I'm in a country that doesn't have laws. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like, no reason to be part of any of this anymore. | ||
| I did what I needed to do. | ||
| Right? | ||
| You're not a gray area kind of guy. | ||
| I just don't want to live in this limbo where it's like I have to go to court next week. | ||
| Not if I'm in Mexico, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What happens down in Mexico stays in Mexico. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Toby Keith. | ||
| You can't get me there, I guess. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| So I thought, like, man, he... | ||
| He doesn't feel good. | ||
| No. | ||
| And this didn't inspire confidence. | ||
| I can't wait to hear the new BS next week. | ||
| They already telegraphed what it was. | ||
| And it's just amazing. | ||
| Absolutely amazing. | ||
| And so... | ||
| It is beyond critical that you continue to support InfoWars by getting the great products at InfoWarsStore.com. | ||
| So something's dropping, huh? | ||
| You're about to face some trouble. | ||
| Please keep buying stuff at the InfoWarsStore.com. | ||
| So, if that didn't inspire confidence, where Alex is like, ha, ha, ha, I can't wait to see what they accuse me of next. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This next clip, where he explains that he's not committing bankruptcy fraud. | ||
| That sounds true. | ||
| It helped me come to the conclusion that he is not committing bankruptcy fraud. | ||
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Good, good. | |
| I've been telling the truth the whole time. | ||
| They've been lying the whole time. | ||
| We had the sales go down 70-plus percent, and ever since then, at InfowarStore.com. | ||
| Even though the warehouse is in Denver, the products are there, people are like, whoa, if The Onion owns this, I'm not going to buy anything from them. | ||
| I told you they didn't. | ||
| I told you it's a lie. | ||
| Here we are, eight months later. | ||
| Is this The Onion that Bloomberg backed with his Everytown Gun Control Group? | ||
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What? | |
| That he basically funds 98% of and basically owns his foundation? | ||
| No. | ||
| Does Michael Bloomberg run this place? | ||
| No. | ||
| But... | ||
| So one of the things they did in the hearing yesterday is they go, he's purposely not promoting InfoWarsStore.com to give himself all the money at the YellowstoneStore.com. | ||
| And we didn't know anything about that. | ||
| I'm going to explain that in a minute. | ||
| It's preposterous. | ||
| On its face, ridiculous. | ||
| And he purposely is making the company insolvent to shut it down. | ||
| And we want it shut down because it's insolvent. | ||
| I'm not trying to shut it down. | ||
| They've been trying to shut it down, and it's not insolvent. | ||
| I think that if Alex is correctly relaying this information, he might be going to jail. | ||
| He's unquestionably and very publicly been committing bankruptcy fraud, and he's been documenting it on his radio show. | ||
| If the courts are actually examining the attempts to create new entities specifically to elude bankruptcy, there's so much evidence of intent on Alex's part just from his show. | ||
| He's talked openly about how he was creating these new businesses that he technically didn't own, and if he was able to keep Infowars, he would fold them back into the old business. | ||
| He did say that. | ||
| But if he lost Infowars, it would just be his new operation. | ||
| He did say that too. | ||
| He's been super clear about trying to migrate the customers from the Infowars store to the Alex Jones store, and he's explicitly told people to stop buying from the Infowars store around the time of his last court date. | ||
| There's very strong evidence that he's been trying to wind down the Infowars business to leave his creditors with a valueless thing while he escapes to a new entity that has someone else's name on it, but he still runs. | ||
| These companies like the Alex Jones Store and the Alex Jones Network are technically owned by different people, so they wouldn't be a part of Alex's estate. | ||
| But if they were created as part of a scheme to defraud the bankruptcy court, Chase's name being on some of those documents isn't going to change shit. | ||
| And in fact, it might get Chase in some trouble too. | ||
| So as it turns out, Alex was correct that there was a story he needed to get ahead of. | ||
| On June 13th, the trustee in Alex's bankruptcy, Christopher Murray, sued Alex and all of the associated companies he has, like PQPR, PLJR, the AEJ Trust, and Alex's dad. | ||
| The complaint alleges that no less than $1.4 million had been funneled through these companies for no real value and in a blatant attempt to shield the debtor's assets from the debtor's substantial creditors. | ||
| The suit describes this as a part of an obvious scheme to place the debtor's property beyond the reach of his creditors. | ||
| Not only that, but he also sued Alex's wife or maybe ex-wife on the same day, seeking to, quote, avoid and recover a series of textbook fraudulent transfers from the debtor to his wife. | ||
| This filing alleges that Alex, quote, engaged in an intentional and planned asset protection scheme to transfer cash, cars and real estate to insiders, including his wife and father, in order to shield those assets from creditors. | ||
| This included $1.5 million in cash he stashed with his wife, quote, three luxury vehicles, a ranch and more than $500,000 in cash to his father. | ||
| And then on top of all of that, he transferred ownership of real estate he owned to the, quote, Alexander E. Jones Descendant and Beneficiary Trust. | ||
| Sounds like that. | ||
| This suit looks pretty bad, but it also alleges that the transfers of property to Alex's dad were backdated, quote, ostensibly to misrepresent the date of the transfer and make it appear as if the property had been conveyed outside the typical four-year look-back period for five years. | ||
| Well, yeah, that makes sense. | ||
| The document goes on, quote, That's cool. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It also tells you how many cars Alex has. | ||
| Too many. | ||
| He can lose track of three. | ||
| Means he's got more than three. | ||
| So this suit also contained some information about Alex's marriage agreement. | ||
| Apparently, when he married his second wife, they had a premarital agreement that said that he would have to pay her $12,000 a month while they were married, with a 4% increase per year compounded annually. | ||
| This is not a separation agreement. | ||
| This is her allowance while they're married. | ||
| Oh, that's nice. | ||
| This arrangement only took effect if they ratified the agreement within 30 days of getting married, which they didn't do. | ||
| However, after being married for five years, they ratified this clause in 2022, a little bit after Alex lost that default judgment. | ||
| That seems so weird. | ||
| It seems so weird to do it then. | ||
| It's strange. | ||
| Strange timing. | ||
| So we've played this game way too many times for me to jump on this and say that this is finally going to be the time when Alex faces consequences, but if this thread gets pulled sufficiently, it goes places, and he's committed crimes. | ||
| So, like, if I were him, I'd be a little bit worried about this. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| You know? | ||
| It's just a matter of the court taking it seriously. | ||
| If they do, he's fucked. | ||
| Right! | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That is, you know... | ||
| It's just a matter of the court taking it seriously. | ||
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| They've been doing a great job so far. | ||
| There's ups and downs. | ||
| They've engendered a lot of confidence in them. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So Alex still needs her money, though. | ||
| Obviously. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because he's going to sue everyone. | ||
| I mean, of course. | ||
| They're all suing him, but he's going to sue them. | ||
| Why not sue back? | ||
| And he already is. | ||
| He's suing them already. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And they've had four different outside groups, the trustee before and him, come in and give me a proctology exam. | ||
| Metaphoric. | ||
| Pure as the driven snow. | ||
| But because they've gotten so exposed in all of their cut and dry, in my opinion, bankruptcy fraud and conspiracy. | ||
| We have all the emails and everything. | ||
| Depositions is insane. | ||
| And they're desperately telling the judge they didn't collude and didn't talk to each other. | ||
| I mean, they were in hearings last year. | ||
| No, Your Honor, we've not talked to anybody about this. | ||
| No, we didn't talk to any of them. | ||
| The plaintiff's lawyer is about this. | ||
| About this auction. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| And then there's all the emails, them being told what to do by them. | ||
| It's just, it's perjury. | ||
| And we are going to separately sue them on all of this very soon. | ||
| We already are, but I mean more. | ||
| Imminently. | ||
| We're going to super sue them. | ||
| So, I need your support. | ||
| And if you go to InfoWarsStore.com Nitric Boost, bodies back in stock, ultimate turmeric formula, ultimate fish roll, highest quality, survival show next to you. | ||
| What a classic. | ||
| So that's at the InfoWarsStore. | ||
| That's InfoWarsStore. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| That's at Alex Jones Store. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Fun. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But that's unrelated to Alex. | ||
| He doesn't own it. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| So it's not fraud. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Smooth. | ||
| Good stuff. | ||
| Good, good stuff. | ||
| So, I think that when you really get down to it, the issue is that everyone is just mad that Alex isn't a crook. | ||
| And you know that guy who once said, I'm not a crook? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| He wasn't a crook. | ||
| Famously for being not a crook? | ||
| He was not a crook. | ||
| It is so crazy how often denying crookness... | ||
| They're pissed I'm not a crook. | ||
| They're pissed I won't go away. | ||
| They're enraged I won't shut up. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| And I'll never give up. | ||
| I'll never back down. | ||
| I'm dauntless. | ||
| But I can give out, so you're the folks who support us. | ||
| So go to TheAlexShowStore.com. | ||
| This is a fundraiser. | ||
| And get the best medical-grade methylene blue either with capsules, with vitamin C that supercharges it. | ||
| Or the liquid tincture that is amazing. | ||
| It's the very same product. | ||
| This is all just inspiring. | ||
| I'm not a crook. | ||
| It is crazy that a large part of this is people are pissed off that you won't shut up. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| It's not because it's politically dangerous. | ||
| It's because it's irresponsible and it gets people hurt. | ||
| What I find fascinating is that I truly believe that the moment the default judgment happened, If you had listened to our show, you would have started bankruptcy fraud proceedings then, right? | ||
| But instead, we're three years in. | ||
| And now we're starting it. | ||
| Now, here's the thing, though. | ||
| I think the only possible place that you could not instantly conclude that he has committed fraud of multiple types over a long period of time is the very bankruptcy court wherein he resides. | ||
| Yeah, I think it's fascinating in some ways that inside the courtroom is probably the only place Yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's pretend. | ||
| That whole place is pretend. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Yeah, and it follows rigid rules, and those rules, because they are... | ||
| And Alex is able to wiggle around like that there, which he doesn't feel the need to do publicly, so he just tells everyone his fraud scams. | ||
| It's like, it's just so much the microcosm of the macrocosm problem that we're experiencing, wherein it seems crazy to me that everybody in that room can't just go, you know we're crazy, right? | ||
| We need to stop. | ||
| This is insane. | ||
| Yeah, I think that if you're, like, suing Ronald McDonald, you should not expect things to go normal. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I think that any court – I think we've now learned that if you are dealing with Alex in a legal setting – Your Honor, unfortunately, we have been struggling to sue the Tasmanian Devil for his spinning problem. | ||
| So permission to just do things a little differently this one time or all times when suing the Tasmanian Devil. | ||
| We need a page one rewrite. | ||
| Simple. | ||
| So, I don't know if you've ever heard of this guy, John Kiriakou. | ||
| You heard of him? | ||
| Nope. | ||
| CIA whistleblower. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And Alex is very excited to have him on the show. | ||
| He's been promoting it through most of the show up until this point. | ||
| And this interview is just electric. | ||
| Well, I mentioned in the Tucker show that one of the things that the CIA really loves is when a president either has no foreign policy or intelligence policy experience or isn't really interested in foreign policy or intelligence policy because he's. | ||
| They seek to recruit, and I use air quotes, to recruit new presidents-elect. | ||
| What they do is the day after an election, the president-elect is granted his first PDB briefing, PDB standing for president's daily brief. | ||
| And what the CIA loves to do is to go into that briefing and say, Mr. President-elect, Wait until you see the cool things that we are doing all around the world. | ||
| And besides the actual PDB, which is usually 16 pages, they'll have memos with a blue border around them or a black border that denote that they are classified at a level above top secret. | ||
| There could be six levels above top secret. | ||
| And they draw that president-elect in. | ||
| And they make him one of the guys, one of the gang. | ||
| And then the next day, they go in and they say, Mr. President, we want to give you an update on those cool things we briefed you on yesterday. | ||
| Just wait until you hear what we're doing all around the world. | ||
| And by the time he takes the oath of office, they've recruited him. | ||
| And he doesn't realize that he's been sucked in. | ||
| He's been drawn in. | ||
| Why do we have so many stupid presidents? | ||
| Whether he's interested in intelligence or not isn't really the issue. | ||
| The issue is that he has stood up to them for the most part. | ||
| He did name Mike Pompeo, who I think was a disaster. | ||
| He did name bloody Gina Haspel, who I think was an equal disaster. | ||
| But his heart is in the right place. | ||
| He understands the import of the deep state and has tried to oppose it. | ||
| Please continue. | ||
| So, John Kiriakou is a bit of a complicated figure. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| On the one hand, he was in the CIA, and he was the first person to publicly disclose that the CIA was using waterboarding in their interrogations of Al-Qaeda members. | ||
| On the other hand, the process that he took to disclose this information wasn't in line with protected whistleblower paths, and he ended up being sentenced to 30 months in jail for giving classified information to a journalist. | ||
| If the totality of the classified information that he turned over was the revelation of torture it would be crazy that he wouldn't just be given whistleblower protection but he also disclosed information that revealed the identities of other intelligence agents that were still working undercover which makes things a bit messy. | ||
| I think he probably still shouldn't have been charged, but I can totally see how it happened. | ||
| Since this all went down, John's gone on to host a show for Sputnik and spent $50,000 lobbying Trump for a pardon, only for an associate of Rudy Giuliani's to tell him that it would cost $2 million. | ||
| He was recently on with Tucker, so Alex is getting a bit of that backwash. | ||
| And it's an interesting interview because I think this guy's a drunkenist. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But he also worked for the CIA. | ||
| And so I know he's probably not an idiot, which means some of this dramatized flourish of language, there's a strategic element to it. | ||
| And I think he's got Tucker and Alex definitely on the hook. | ||
| I mean, you know, I hesitate. | ||
| Because it's like, once you chose to, you don't fall into the CIA. | ||
| You don't just like, oh, I fucked around for a few years after I dropped out of high school and then just found my way into the CIA, you know? | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| I worked at a sandwich shop. | ||
| And I did have a shift or two where I was like, how did I end up here? | ||
| It's a little weird that I'm working at this sandwich shop. | ||
| CIA's not like that. | ||
| Not like that. | ||
| I've had plenty of jobs where I'm like, well, I just needed a job and now I'm here and it's like six months later. | ||
| How about that? | ||
| Yeah, a friend was like, I know a guy. | ||
| Yeah, and then your job is very deliberate, very specialized, and is about... | ||
| So, I don't care what you have to say. | ||
| Well, at very least, I'm gonna keep that in mind while you say things. | ||
| Yeah, you're a liar. | ||
| Like, by trade! | ||
| At least you have the capacity for it. | ||
| You may not be lying right now. | ||
| It's possible. | ||
| But it's gonna be difficult for me to tell. | ||
| It's possible. | ||
| It would be unreasonable for me to attempt. | ||
| Yeah, but I don't care about this interview too much because Alex is eating lunch and his heart's not in it. | ||
| He clearly doesn't care either. | ||
| No. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So they wrap up and Alex gives a wipe with a napkin, gets the crumbs off the table, and starts talking about his immediate reaction to Musk's tweet. | ||
| Great. | ||
| And how it filled him with anxiety. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| And he almost had a panic attack in the court. | ||
| When Elon came out yesterday and said, yeah, Trump's in the Epstein files and he's being covered up because he's in there. | ||
| I've done so much research on this, have so many sources and know the MO. | ||
| I was like, that's not accurate. | ||
| But then why would Elon be doing this? | ||
| And I got a massive headache. | ||
| I mean, I don't normally get headaches from stress. | ||
| And it got nauseous. | ||
| In the courtroom, while I'm listening to all this go on, and I looked over at the bad guy lawyers. | ||
| They were looking at me like, oh, look, we've gotten to him. | ||
| And I had to, like, steady myself and had to go out to the bathroom. | ||
| and sweating in front of the mirror, putting water on my face. | ||
| I mean, I was just... | ||
| They've helped the country so much. | ||
| I know they're doing a great job. | ||
| I know the true evil that's been after me and my family is after you, is after them. | ||
| And I don't believe that Well, if Trump stops nuclear war, but it is revolved with Epstein, and I wasn't rationalizing it. | ||
| It's how people's brains run through things. | ||
| I'm like, no. | ||
| If it comes out, Trump's involved, I'll expose it and call for his removal. | ||
| But I go, but then the browser's going, it'll be deepfakes. | ||
| It's fake information. | ||
| Elon was given. | ||
| And I'm just like, meow. | ||
| And about five minutes later, somebody, one of my folks, you need to get back in there. | ||
| you get back in there. | ||
| And I'm just like, And I've got news of family dying or heart attacks or, you know, kids falls out of a tree. | ||
| I've got a lot of bad news like anybody's been around has. | ||
| I don't normally crack up. | ||
| And I wasn't visibly cracking up. | ||
| But, I mean, I went back in the courtroom and I'm having a panic attack for the last hour of it reading the news. | ||
| And you're asking why? | ||
| We got all... | ||
| And so my brain is like Robbie the Robot when he gets conflicting stuff he can't compute. | ||
| I know Trump's way better than them. | ||
| Even if this was true, which I'm not getting people for that to come out because I don't believe it is. | ||
| Okay, so I think it's pretty obvious why those tweets would give Alex a panic attack and a headache. | ||
| He can tell himself that he would follow the truth and expose Trump if it turned out that he was in the Epstein files, but that's just pretend. | ||
| He's in way too deep now, and that clip we just heard is two and a half minutes of an explanation of why you can't abandon Trump no matter what. | ||
| If you stop supporting him, you'll surrender the world to the Democrats or demonic pedophile international criminals. | ||
| There's no third option. | ||
| Rand Paul isn't coming to save the day. | ||
| And without the gravity of Trump, all of his cabinet members and administration aren't shit. | ||
| The immediate reaction that Alex is describing is how he tried to process what it was going to take to spin this story. | ||
| He instantly took on the reality of what Musk had said and then asked himself, what now? | ||
| The first option was saying, sure, Trump is an Epstein client, but he stopped nuclear war, which is an attempt at bargaining. | ||
| No one's perfect, so maybe Alex has demonized the other side enough that his audience would just accept Trump as a pedophile compared to the Democrats. | ||
| At least he's not a demon pedophile. | ||
| Come on, he's cool. | ||
| He knew that option was no good, so he came up with another spin, which was to say that whatever evidence Musk might release was a deepfake. | ||
| We saw him use this tactic in 2017 when he thought that the tapes of Trump being a big ol' racist on The Apprentice were gonna be released, and technology's only gotten better since then. | ||
| This is an angle he could use. | ||
| It's all fake. | ||
| Basically, Alex is describing a panic that he had upon hearing this news that it was rooted in the knowledge that he can't leave these guys. | ||
| That's what the panic was. | ||
| In that moment, I would bet that his anxiety was as much about how he was going to spin this shit as it was about a sudden, visceral realization that he's never going to be his own man again. | ||
| Ever. | ||
| He's fucked. | ||
| These two dudes started fighting, and I would imagine his heart was in his throat. | ||
| Awful. | ||
| You know, I was – so there was this Harvard professor – there is this Harvard professor who wrote a book, and she was just on Rogan. | ||
| Her name is Rebecca Lemov or something, right? | ||
| And so I read this book before she was on Rogan, and it made sense whenever I found out she was on Rogan. | ||
| It made perfect sense because her book is about brainwashing. | ||
| Quote, unquote. | ||
| But ultimately, what you can take away from this book, the only real conclusion you can take away from this book, is that it is only reasonable to believe the things that you want to believe that lead to an outcome that you desire. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Anything else could be brainwashing, or is brainwashing. | ||
| And so it makes perfect sense that she would be on Rogan, because that's the type of thing that these people want to hear. | ||
| It doesn't matter, you know, it's deepfakes. | ||
| Even if I know it's true, it's deepfakes. | ||
| Because the only thing that makes sense is to believe what I need to believe or want to believe in order to achieve what I want. | ||
| Yeah, I need to believe that intermediate step that gets me to the conclusion I want. | ||
| Doesn't matter if it's true or false. | ||
| What matters is that it's reasonable for me to believe it, even if it is false. | ||
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| Yeah, and to me, really, I can just see... | ||
| Musk and Trump are two people that I've built up to, like, hero status in an untenable way. | ||
| They're going after each other. | ||
| Musk has just called Trump a pedophile. | ||
| I'm gonna have to justify this. | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| It's gonna be tough to believe something now. | ||
| I have to think that he just, like, was in that court feeling like there's no bottom. | ||
| I have no shame. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| That is nuts. | ||
| So Elon is a weapon. | ||
| Alex gets a little confused here. | ||
| And people ought to really respect Elon Musk. | ||
| And I mean respect him like he's dangerous. | ||
| He's a weapon. | ||
| And you only break the glass when you're in danger. | ||
| Well, we broke the glass. | ||
| But when you've got a super nerd genius going around, I mean, that's Frankenstein, folks. | ||
| So, and that's Frankenstein. | ||
| Trump right there. | ||
| These are our Frankensteins. | ||
| And they're good Frankensteins. | ||
| But when you get two of them fighting, I mean, Dr. Frankensteins, you've got a serious, serious problem. | ||
| I get the weapons. | ||
| There are weapons. | ||
| They're like Frankenstein. | ||
| I get that. | ||
| But I think that Alex, after he said that, realized, like, Frankenstein's stupid. | ||
| I don't want to call these guys stupid. | ||
| Like, they're just fire bad kind of creatures. | ||
| So he's like Dr. Frankenstein. | ||
| But then Dr. Frankenstein wasn't a weapon. | ||
| That doesn't make sense now. | ||
| The place he started with this didn't make sense because he was trying to correct himself. | ||
| From calling Musk and Trump Frankensteins. | ||
| That's fun. | ||
| I, when faced with incontrovertible evidence that his narratives are based upon utterly untrue perceptions of things that didn't happen, he's like, Like, that's just what's gonna happen. | ||
| He feels bad. | ||
| We got a couple of good Frankensteins on our team, though. | ||
| He feels bad. | ||
| He feels bad because the things he believes aren't true, but he'll get over it. | ||
| How do you know? | ||
| Like, he knows deep down that he'll get over it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, the things I believe aren't true, but I'll get over it. | ||
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| Shit's gonna happen tomorrow that's gonna be fucking crazy and I'm gonna have to spin that. | ||
| I think that there's a particular depth that he has to be in in this moment. | ||
| And that is the aftermath of these two guys fighting. | ||
| That's disillusioning. | ||
| Being outdone by Chase and Owen has gotta suck. | ||
| Yeah, that's gotta hurt. | ||
| And then on top of that, he has to know that The escape hatch is under threat. | ||
| It's not guaranteed that it's going to blow up all of his plans, these suits and everything, but he has to know they know the schematics. | ||
| The enemy knows the blueprints. | ||
| They know what I'm doing. | ||
| Okay, here's the other reason I leave. | ||
| Here's the other reason I'm out of the country, right? | ||
| Because that's another bargaining chip later on. | ||
| Right? | ||
| So people are like, okay, well, we want you to face consequences. | ||
| And I'm like, I don't want to face all those consequences. | ||
| So now we're negotiating to get me back into the country. | ||
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| So now I'm lessening that. | ||
| Like, I'm just chipping away at consequence after consequence. | ||
| Well, I mean, if you think that bankruptcy slows everything down, extradition. | ||
| Exactly! | ||
| That slows everything down. | ||
| Let's come get me. | ||
| You know, like, what are you doing here? | ||
| Why are you still here? | ||
| Yeah, why are you still here, man? | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| So Elon is a, you know, he's a Frankenstein, Dr. Frankenstein. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But he's also like, he just, he loves his projects. | ||
| That's what you have to understand. | ||
| He's just a guy who loves his projects like they're his babies. | ||
| The thousands of them that he jizzed in a cup. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Elon gets totally obsessed with whatever he's focused on, whether it's SpaceX or whether it's Tesla or whether it's SpaceX. | ||
| I've heard him talk about it, kind of a breakdown. | ||
| He'll crash and sometimes move to another project, and then he'll move back to the other project, but he always gets them done. | ||
| But two weeks ago, starting to watch him, I said on air, I said, he ain't looking good. | ||
| You know, Trump says, oh, I think he has a problem kind of implying he's on drugs or something. | ||
| Very much. | ||
| That's not really the M.O. I've heard. | ||
| I think it's total obsession. | ||
| And for people who have never been obsessed with something, you don't know what it's like. | ||
| And with people with Asperger's at that level that have high IQs, have functional Asperger's, it's... | ||
| And I've got friends and people that have it, and I'm not going to tell the stories as personal as some of them are around, but let's just say this. | ||
| I've experienced it personally. | ||
| So you learn what it's like. | ||
| And I mean, here's an example. | ||
| Some of these people will love a computer that's 20 years old that they built or that's done work. | ||
| Even though it's obsolete, you know, then if they basically learn through the bankruptcy or whatever that bad guys are going to get it. | ||
| Wait, what? | ||
| It's like a child's about to be murdered. | ||
| What's happening right now? | ||
| Are you doing a thing? | ||
| Are we doing a thing? | ||
| Imagine that. | ||
| Or imagine being in love with... | ||
| It's like people that are in love with classic cars or whatever. | ||
| Yeah, like the ones you gave your dad. | ||
| Yeah, I was going to say, classic cars you transferred ownership to prior to or just after receiving news that you would lose them. | ||
| Do you love your computer? | ||
| There's something very strange that is like, is this a twist? | ||
| Is this a Shyamalanian Twilight Zone twist that we're getting here? | ||
| Are we getting a preview of your defense? | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| I wasn't hiding these things. | ||
| I love them like my children. | ||
| You can't take my children away from me in bankruptcy, and therefore you shouldn't be able to take my cars. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't think also there's anything that strange about having an affinity for a computer that you built. | ||
| Even if it's 20 years old, it could be a pretty cool piece of machinery. | ||
| People have affinities for swing sets they built, because they built them. | ||
| It's evidence of effort and creation. | ||
| Yeah, that's not the same thing as Elon Musk feeling like he's being murdered if he doesn't get his way. | ||
| No, that sounds more like drug addiction! | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| So, yeah, one of the other. | ||
| Could be. | ||
| I wish Alex would have just been like, and that person is me! | ||
| Done the Steve. | ||
| But oh well. | ||
| So we have one last clip here, and we have quite a pantheon of Alex's superpowers that God has given him. | ||
| And I'm not sure if this one is on the board or not, so I wanted to make sure that we got it. | ||
| I see all this stuff. | ||
| And now that I've got enough knowledge at a third-dimensional template to apply my metaphysical And then my great failure is oratory skills. | ||
| Compared to my understanding of things, my understanding of things on a 1 out of a 10 is about an 8, and my oratory skills are about a.1. | ||
| Now, some would say, you actually have really good oratory skills. | ||
| That's the point. | ||
| Is, how do you extrapolate super advanced integrated knowledge down into something that can be communicated? | ||
| I do think your oratory skills suck. | ||
| That's why years ago, I would be talking and interrupting. | ||
| Because my voice couldn't talk fast enough to say it all. | ||
| I mean, here's the example of mathematics, and I've never really tried to show off with this. | ||
| But if I try, I can be showing a bunch of big numbers, and I can hit the number. | ||
| I'll just go, that's that. | ||
| People go, oh yeah, really? | ||
| "How did you know that?" I'm like, but if I try to do math, I have the math skills of a fourth grader. | ||
| If I do it in... | ||
| I just go, that's what it is. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| Eh, that's what it is. | ||
| So, and there's, everybody has these different types of gifts. | ||
| That's why they bomb you with fluoride and 5G and GMO and microplastics, because we're incredible, folks. | ||
| All right, I said I hit a bunch of news. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| You know, you gotta give it up for him trying. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| Fuck it. | ||
| He killed Gene Hackman. | ||
| I'm blaming him for all this. | ||
| For all of his special gifts, Gene Hackman died. | ||
| And it is because of Alex. | ||
| I blame him. | ||
| I think that should be in his bankruptcy lawsuit. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| He killed Gene Hackman. | ||
| Throw it in there. | ||
| Throw it in there. | ||
| I do love the unfalsifiableness of I am great at math when I don't try to do math. | ||
| Because then if anybody asks you to do math, you can't. | ||
| Because you'd be trying. | ||
| You show me big numbers, I can go, zap, that's it. | ||
| And people go, what? | ||
| What's crazy about his description was there wasn't any specific function. | ||
| There wasn't like addition, division. | ||
| There wasn't like I can calculate things. | ||
| There's only show me big numbers and I will go blah and they will go wow. | ||
| It's impressive stuff. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| His oratory skills are second to none. | ||
| They are. | ||
| Describing math. | ||
| My understandingness is worse than my talkingness, but perhaps my talkingness outweighs your mathingness. | ||
| Right, because my understandingness is too great for mouthness. | ||
| Yes, that makes perfect sense. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| We have diagrammed this sentence perfectly. | ||
| What an asshole. | ||
| So I guess we've seen what Alex's response to Elon Musk's calling... | ||
| And like I said, I am just thoroughly disappointed that Chase kind of had better instincts than Alex. | ||
| Alex is basically a company man at this point. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Whereas Chase is at least trying to do a show. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And trying to be someone who looks like they have a principle. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that's sad. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The best way to be a company man is to... | ||
| That's what Chase's lesson should be, you know? | ||
| He should be real worried that his name is on the Alex Jones Network documents. | ||
| I would definitely want that taken off. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I would definitely want that taken off. | ||
| You might want to refile that real fast. | ||
| Here's what I'm doing. | ||
| What I'm doing is going to a notary public, writing down, they did that without my knowledge, and having the notary click, click, and then I'm good to go. | ||
| Well, the notary public on the transfer of property from Alex to his dad, the one that's backdated five years. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The notary was Alex's personal trainer, Pat Riley. | ||
| Goddamn. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's good times. | ||
| Anyway, we will check in with Alex, see how his coming lawsuits go, how the protests in LA, how his takes on that are. | ||
| Probably great. | ||
| Super good. | ||
| Super good. | ||
| always. | ||
| But until then... | ||
| Indeed we do. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| We'll be back. | ||
| But until then, I'm Neo. | ||
| Neo DZX Clark. | ||
| I am the Mysterious Professor. | ||
| Woo! | ||
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| Woo! | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| Woo! | ||
| And now here comes the sex robots. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |
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