#1047: He Was With Busey
In this installment, Dan and Jordan take a little dip into the past to enjoy a completely inconsequential interview Alex did with Gary Busey twenty years ago.
June 13, 2025 - Knowledge Fight
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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| Dan and Jordan. | ||
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Knowledge fight. | |
| Need money. | ||
| Andy and Kansas. | ||
| Andy and Kansas. | ||
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Stop it. | |
| Andy and Kansas. | ||
| Andy and Kansas. | ||
| It's time to pray. | ||
| Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
|
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your room. | ||
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| Knowledgefight.com. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are. | ||
| Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Quick question for you. | ||
| What's up? | ||
| What's your bright spot today, buddy? | ||
| My bright spot today is that I refuse to make a full commitment on anything. | ||
| Even this bright spot. | ||
| I am not committing to this at all. | ||
| There will be qualifiers made. | ||
| But I realize that at a certain point, I'm just being obstinate. | ||
| If I don't put It's a Matter of Time on Spotify and these other platforms where people can actually listen to the podcast that we do. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I'm going to do that. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I'm going to make it available as opposed to some weird thing you have to find on a treasure hunt. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I figured, hey, let's put those on Thursdays. | ||
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Okay. | |
| So next Thursday, I'm speaking this into existence. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Ideally, our other podcast will be available for people to find. | ||
| Next Thursday. | ||
| All right, all right. | ||
| We are what I call on time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's what I would say for that. | ||
| But that's great. | ||
| I mean, I'm glad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Obviously. | ||
| The issue is, I think, there's no deadline. | ||
| There's no reason for us to be like, hey, let's push this out or anything. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| I kind of just let it slide for a long time, and now we're at the point where, hey, fuck it. | ||
| You know, I don't nag. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I just don't do it. | ||
| No! | ||
| And I hear nice suggestions from the audience and then I just forget. | ||
| Yeah, it happens. | ||
| So, look for that. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Good times. | ||
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Yeah, that's great. | |
| Yeah, that's great. | ||
| My bright spot is Pirates. | ||
| 1700s. | ||
| Mutinies. | ||
| Exciting. | ||
| Very exciting. | ||
| But there's the part in the book... | ||
| And then there's the intense descriptions of scurvy, which amount to a human being melts. | ||
| All the stuff that keeps you together stops keeping you together and you just fall apart, right? | ||
| And I suddenly felt so grateful to live in a time where I know what the cause of scurvy is. | ||
| And that it's pretty simple. | ||
| And it's pretty simple. | ||
| So to the point where now I was thinking about it, I was like, if I do get scurvy, Scurvy is never going to be my problem. | ||
| My problem will be something else, and scurvy will be the result of that, you know? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I've heard of, like, friends of friends who have gotten scurvy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just because of, like, terrible diet. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| You know, like, it still is something that can happen. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But, yeah, super rare. | ||
| Yeah, so, but if I do get scurvy, I know what the cure is. | ||
| I'll eat some fucking vitamin C. If I get scurvy and I cannot cure it pretty much instantly, again. | ||
| Too many bigger problems going on. | ||
| See, but you're playing from an advantage because you've read this book, so you now probably know some of the, like, advanced warning signs. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Whereas most of us, we wouldn't be able to diagnose scurvy. | ||
| You'd just be like, I don't know why I'm melting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You'd end up talking to Dr. House before you figured it out. | ||
| Oh man, you know what the grossest thing about scurvy is, right? | ||
| Is that the description that always gets me is that there'll be wounds that have healed like Great. | ||
| Like, that's so terrifying. | ||
| Unhealing? | ||
| Yes! | ||
| You melt! | ||
| Yeah, no, that's no good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's no good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I was thinking about rabies yesterday. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We're having a diseasy day yesterday, huh? | ||
| Well, I went over and hung out with Angela Lampsbury, and she had had a bat in her house. | ||
| Oh, shit! | ||
| And I was thinking about how it wouldn't worry me if there was a bat in my house, because, like... | ||
| True. | ||
| And I don't care. | ||
| Yeah, you'll move on. | ||
| Yeah, I have plenty of blood. | ||
| It can have some. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And then the other is that it could have rabies. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I realized I wasn't scared of that because I think it might be kind of fun to go crazy. | ||
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Like, to have rabies and just go entirely nuts. | |
| I would be with you because normally I would be with you. | ||
| I see where you're going. | ||
| Here's what scares me the most about that. | ||
| Hydrophobia. | ||
| You're actually afraid of water. | ||
| That's crazy! | ||
| It is, but imagine what that feels like. | ||
| Exactly! | ||
| That's terrifying to me. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Get it away from me like I am a vampire. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I know I'm wrong. | ||
| On this. | ||
| I accept that I'm wrong. | ||
| I don't think we need a group of people to like, hey, rabies is bad for you. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But it takes me back to my old hallucinogen days. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You know, like, what would that be like? | ||
| Just to experience hydrophobia for a second. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a privileged position that I'm speaking from as somebody who has not experienced rabies. | ||
| I need to experience all mind-altering substances, and some of those include rabies, I assume. | ||
| So is this a good book, though? | ||
| Yeah, it's pretty good. | ||
| It's alright. | ||
| Did you, as a child, dream of finding a shipwreck? | ||
| Did I dream of finding a shipwreck? | ||
| No, I was more an air guy. | ||
| Boats are no good. | ||
| But what are you going to find in terms of air wrecks? | ||
| Those are all on the ground. | ||
| But I'm more interested in planes, so I was less into anything about boats. | ||
| I would be like, no, you're underwater and on top of water? | ||
| No, get out of there. | ||
| Get out of there. | ||
| No good for you. | ||
| So you were more thinking about planes? | ||
| I would be more interested in finding a wing or something. | ||
| If I saw a shipwreck, I'd be like, I gotta get out of here. | ||
| There's demons in there. | ||
| I guess because I spent some time growing up in Hawaii and was in the ocean all the time. | ||
| Maybe that was something that was so much more interesting. | ||
| The dream of finding a boat. | ||
| A buried, sunken treasure. | ||
| I was raised in central Illinois, so the water was a long way away from us. | ||
| Yeah, there's no pirate boats in the lake. | ||
| Nope, nope, nope, nope. | ||
| So, Jordan, today we've got an episode to go over. | ||
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Okay. | |
| And we're going to do something a little off track. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| because we need to. | ||
| Just for everyone's Yeah. | ||
| And we'll get to what that is in a moment. | ||
| But first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks. | ||
| Ooh, that's a great idea. | ||
| So first, Dungeon Mistress, I'm so glad you got to quit your job to play D&D full-time. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Thank you! | ||
| Next, the technocrat drop is my lord's prayer. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| And shout-out to Garrett, Jummy, and the rest of my silly little guys from Kiralil. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan. | ||
| So thank you so much to Dr. Marr. | ||
| You're now a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Four stars. | ||
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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. | |
| Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. | ||
| Daddy Shark. | ||
| Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. | ||
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He's a loser little titty baby. | |
| I don't want to hate black people. | ||
| I renounce Jesus Christ! | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| Yes, thank you very much. | ||
| So, there's a lot happening in the world. | ||
| Elon Musk is backtracking on his tweets about Trump being a pedophile. | ||
| Sure, they got back together, that's nice. | ||
| At least that simmering boil has come down to a lower temperature. | ||
| So the world didn't change, necessarily. | ||
| Trump has sent Marines to fight against protests in L.A. Sure. | ||
| That certainly should be against Alex's preferred things. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| But there's just too much going on, and to calm heads, I felt like we should do something that's a little bit sillier. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| If we're going to have a third episode in a week, you know, obviously two of the present day, one of something else. | ||
| All right. | ||
| It's good balance. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And I happened to find an interview that Alex did. | ||
| Back in the day. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| In 2004. | ||
| All right. | ||
| That somehow had missed our coverage. | ||
| And this is a celebrity. | ||
| It's a pretty big celebrity. | ||
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Oh, no. 2004. | |
| Yeah, I want to see if you can guess. | ||
| My first instinct? | ||
| My first instinct, and I don't know why. | ||
| Bette Midler. | ||
| No. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Well, I think I know why. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Wasn't she managed by Alex's buddy, Aaron Russo? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think she was. | ||
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I think that would actually be a pretty good guess. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| No, it is not Bette Midler. | ||
| It's someone who was on Celebrity Rehab. | ||
| Well, unfortunately, I never watched it. | ||
| It's not a Baldwin. | ||
| Is it a Baldwin? | ||
| It's not a Baldwin. | ||
| But he has had a Baldwin on before. | ||
| Let me tell you, I don't know if he... | ||
| Okay. | ||
| This is a person who, And I've given away that it is he, someone who's on Celebrity Rehab, someone who is famously in an accident. | ||
| Uh, Busey? | ||
| Yeah, it's Gary Busey. | ||
| It's Gary Busey! | ||
| Oh, that makes sense. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| They should be together in 04. They should be, like, dating. | ||
| Like, you should see them at, like, a cafe, and they both are talking to each other about completely different subjects, as though they're absolutely having a conversation. | ||
| And we're gonna see a little bit of that. | ||
| I imagine so! | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So Gary Busey and Alex Jones were brought together, I believe, by Kevin Booth, the producer who also was, you know, the captive tissue between him and Rogan. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And I think this might have been also in the context of Kevin Booth's drug documentary. | ||
| Right. | ||
| When they went to that sushi date with Rogan in L.A. Because they're in Malibu at Gary Busey's house, overlooking the ocean, a gorgeous beachfront property. | ||
| Gary Busey is fiddling around with a cigar. | ||
| What are any of us doing here? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I don't know what it achieves other than Alex is talking to a very crazy celebrity. | ||
| So here's where we'll start with Alex asking Busey about the New World Order. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Gary, from your study of the New World Order, because I'd like to get your angle on it, what do you think about this global system? | ||
| I think it's primitive in many ways. | ||
| I had a trip to the other... | ||
| I think it's primitive in many ways, simply because the experience I had December 4, 1988, I went off by Harley Davidson, Without a helmet, hit head first and butt first into a curve. | ||
| Split my skull and put a hole in it that big, my skull, and I had massive brain surgery, Cedar Sinai, 115 p.m. | ||
| Sunday afternoon, December 4th, by Dr. Lauren Hooten. | ||
| And he told me if I'd been three minutes late, I wouldn't be here now. | ||
| So it's all in the quickness to get the victim to the hospital. | ||
| I came out of the hospital in recovery from a traumatic brain injury where I had to learn to walk, talk, eat, dress myself, organize, speak all over again from the very beginning. | ||
| And I went to Washington and met with a George H. Bush administration, White House briefing, talking about how the federal government should look into acting in That's | ||
| wonderful. | ||
| That's really cool! | ||
| Yeah, sure, it is. | ||
| And I don't know what that has to do with your study of the New World Order. | ||
| No clue. | ||
| What were we talking about? | ||
| Alex asked about the study of the New World Order. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| But I want to talk about how cool that is. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| It's an achievement. | ||
| You know, there's some good advocacy that Gary Busey has done in his life. | ||
| It is hard to reconcile just how much of a punchline Busey was for the past 25 years of my life that I now, only now know. | ||
| Was also, he did a lot of help for severely traumatized people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| And a lot of the punchline-iness of him may be the result of... | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Amazing. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| It's great to look into the past. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| So Alex, I think that he wants a, like, hey, fuck these globalists kind of interview from him. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But Gary is talking about his achievements and, like, this legislation that's passed with his help. | ||
| And another thing that he's been very active about is drugs. | ||
| Decriminalization, paths for, you know, restorative and rehabilitative justice for people who get caught with drugs. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| Position to have in 2004 for Alex because Rush Limbaugh is someone who Alex hates then. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he just got caught with a bunch of opiates. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So how do you show grace to this enemy? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Alex, he has a hard time with it. | ||
| That sounds right. | ||
| But Busey doesn't. | ||
| That sounds right, too. | ||
| Take Rush Limbaugh. | ||
| He's been caught. | ||
| Now, by the police, and they have the e-mails and the witnesses, buying masses of prescription drugs, painkillers. | ||
| But then we go back to his broadcast. | ||
| He said anybody that was caught with any illegal drugs should be sent to prison and given the maximum. | ||
| Now, what should happen to him now if it goes to court and he's convicted? | ||
| Well, Chris Staufferson called it a walking contradiction years ago in a beautiful song he wrote. | ||
| And that's what Rush has done. | ||
| He's done a walking contradiction. | ||
| But I know every word after the word but in a sentence is bullshit, so I'll say and Rush Limbaugh is a person who is in the area, arena of needing help in that way. | ||
| Well, Gary, that's what I was going to say. | ||
| Was it? | ||
| Despite the fact that he's a hypocrite. | ||
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Was it? | |
| Despite the fact that I don't like a lot of things that he has to say. | ||
| Because he balkanizes people and puts people in little bitty boxes, you know, in their mindsets, and we're trying to open them up and expand that paradigm. | ||
| I don't want him to go to prison for having a problem with something that's a sickness and illness. | ||
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Well, the word you use, try, T-R-Y, that stands for tomorrow, really yesterday. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Because as long as we keep trying, we're not going to get it done. | ||
| The words kinda and sorta, those are words that come into our vocabulary as a colloquialism. | ||
| So we should forgive Rush Limbaugh and tell him next time to forgive others. | ||
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Yes, and forgive stands for finding ourselves really giving individuals valuable energy. | |
| And valuable energy is unconditional love. | ||
| And hypocrisy is the lubricant of a civilized society. | ||
| Hypocrisy is also the lubricant of organized religion that puts religion first and earth laws first before spirituality. | ||
| And the growth of spirituality. | ||
| Well, that's what Jesus was saying, is that the Pharisees had put themselves before God. | ||
| They had made their little laws and their little colloquialism. | ||
| What are we doing here? | ||
| That became the religion, and it was about worshipping man's little trivialities instead of being part of the bigger picture. | ||
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Perfect. | |
| Perfect. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Gary gives him a round of applause. | ||
| You nailed it, Alex. | ||
| I'm not, no. | ||
| So I'm not sure what that's about. | ||
| Yeah, I think a lot of those are aphorisms that may trace to drug rehab. | ||
| I think some of those are isms that come from recovery. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| But I'm not sure. | ||
| He does that a lot. | ||
| That's for sure. | ||
| I remember that from like, He had a lot of these wisdoms. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That what words really mean. | ||
| That's always fun. | ||
| Alex, I think he's trying. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| I agree that he's trying. | ||
| I don't know what either of these men are trying to do with each other, though. | ||
| Is Gary Busey trying to give an interview where he's like... | ||
| I have no fucking idea. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Good. | ||
| There is no point to this interview. | ||
| This is an issue for me. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Even with the Rogan one, there was a point. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which is, like, we're doing this Kevin Booth drug documentary and Alex is inserting himself into it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| There's no reason for this to be happening other than Alex got a chance to talk to the celebrity. | ||
| And Gary Busey seems like he's there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's a willing participant. | ||
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Sure. | |
| This isn't under duress. | ||
| He does seem to be a part of it, yes. | ||
| But he also is very much above... | ||
| There's a condescension to that round of applause that he gave Alex. | ||
| It does feel like neither of them needs to be talking to each other for any reason. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| And that anything that comes from this conversation will be useless to both men? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Or maybe they'll grow through it. | ||
| Maybe they will grow through it. | ||
| Maybe they will grow through it. | ||
| I hadn't considered that. | ||
| And one of the ways that I think Gary tries to help Alex grow is by playing a memory game with him. | ||
| That sounds true. | ||
| That maybe derails much of this interview. | ||
| Derail. | ||
| Let's take advantage of what's a great gift God gave us. | ||
| Let's look into the power of memory. | ||
| Memory is given to us because it's very powerful. | ||
| Powerful ingredient in our substance to remember. | ||
| And I had traumatic brain injury. | ||
| And I had short-term memory lapse for a long time, but I don't have that anymore, simply because of prayer and paying attention. | ||
| And I don't only pay attention, I play attention. | ||
| I want to second that. | ||
| I have talked to this guy about a year ago for the first time. | ||
| He remembers the conversations we had a year ago, and I'm having trouble remembering them. | ||
| But with him reminding me, I do. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Repeat after me. | ||
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All right. | |
| One hen. | ||
| One hen. | ||
| One hen, two ducks. | ||
| One hen, two ducks. | ||
| One hen, two ducks, three squawking geese. | ||
| one hen, two ducks, three squawking geese. | ||
| One hen, two ducks, three squawking geese, four corpulent porpi. | ||
| I can't believe it. | ||
| I'll repeat it, four corpulent porpi. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| One hen, two geese, ducks, three geese, squawking geese, and four Four corpulent porpi. | ||
| Very good. | ||
| What are corpulent porpi? | ||
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Well, porpi is a plural of porpoise. | |
| Oh, so we've got the porpoise down here. | ||
| And corpulent, corpulent are big boys. | ||
| Yeah, in the Malibu. | ||
| In fact, Kevin, show folks just for a second. | ||
| This incredible, incredible. | ||
| Oh, it's beautiful. | ||
| It's unbelievably beautiful. | ||
| And we saw some porpi down there earlier, didn't we? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Going from south to north. | ||
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Okay, here we go. | |
| One hen. | ||
| One hen. | ||
| Two ducks. | ||
| Two ducks. | ||
| Three squawking geese. | ||
| Three squawking geese. | ||
| Four corpulent porpi. | ||
| Four corpulent porpi. | ||
| Five pair of Don Alvarez tweezers. | ||
| So I think Alex was trying to pivot away from this memory game. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Talking about the scenery and like, oh, we saw some poor pie down there. | ||
| I see that. | ||
| I see that, yeah. | ||
| And Gary is not into it. | ||
| We're actually testing your memory now. | ||
| Here comes number five. | ||
| I think right now this exact thing may have happened between me and a driver when we were in Austin. | ||
| This has the vibe of a conversation that's like... | ||
| I just ordered a Lyft, man. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| And now we're doing a memory game. | ||
| Great! | ||
| Okay! | ||
| All right! | ||
| There's an agenda that is being pursued by the subject of this interview, and Alex cannot stop it. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| So there's a strategic cut here, and I think it's because this game went on a long time. | ||
| A long time? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Five pair of Donald and Alvaro's tweezers. | ||
| That's number five. | ||
| Well, Gary, we will just for a second if I can digress here because you bring up memory. | ||
| For me, I have a great memory for... | ||
| Obviously we have great memories of things we love and enjoy. | ||
| I mean, if you love, you know, Black Mercedes, you can probably remember quite a bit of Exactly. | ||
| Well, let's just say like or enjoy. | ||
| But the point is, is that I can remember stuff that I care about. | ||
| And what I really care about is the news and watching a politician say one thing. | ||
| You know what news stands for? | ||
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Uh-oh. | |
| Or the Southwest, that's what the guy is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's how they actually started it. | ||
| People have these boards up in the Old West. | ||
| What? | ||
| You know, have news from different parts of the country, northeast, south of Pasadena. | ||
| So that became the news board. | ||
| Do you know what the word sin stands for? | ||
| S-I-N? | ||
| No. | ||
| Self-imposed nonsense. | ||
| I believe it. | ||
| Yay. | ||
| You ready to go to eight? | ||
| You ready to go to eight? | ||
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Oh, my God. | |
| I think they cut out from five to seven. | ||
| Yeah, clearly we've gotten... | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| This is like, do you remember? | ||
| This is when the last episode of Taskmaster, whenever Zook... | ||
| Cut again. | ||
| 35 minutes. | ||
| This is where we're at. | ||
| It's a great comedic device, but it's not being used that way here. | ||
| It's saving us a lot of time. | ||
| Yeah, I want the raw footage. | ||
| Yeah, show me him trying to remember every single one of these numbers. | ||
| Yeah, what and what are the animals and the tongue twisters and the weird tricks? | ||
| How long does it take? | ||
| Like, in real time, how long and how awkward and how miserable is everybody but Gary Busey while we play this game? | ||
| And how delighted is Gary Busey? | ||
| He's having a great time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think that there's a lot of these things that he says that words stand for that I just don't care. | ||
| I love them. | ||
| But this one's actually not true. | ||
| Self-imposed nonsense? | ||
| No, the news one. | ||
| Yeah, obviously it's not. | ||
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What? | |
| Yeah, and I only was interested because he asks... | ||
| And Alex says that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Alex knows this one. | ||
| Northeast, Southwest, which is whatever, fine. | ||
| It's not true. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But they're on the same page. | ||
| They're closer than one might think initially. | ||
| I don't... | ||
| I don't think much about Gary Busey's day would be different if those two weren't there. | ||
| In this exact moment, I could see him just being like, you know what sin stands for? | ||
| Self-imposed nonsense. | ||
| To no one. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| That'd be a delight. | ||
| He's talking to a bird. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| This is a pigeon. | ||
| Somebody needs to know! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Alex wants to talk on some other level about memory. | ||
| And again, I think there's more cut out of the memory game. | ||
| Oh boy. | ||
| Well, I just wanted to bring up 1984. | ||
| George Orwell, who wrote this book about tyranny, talks about what tyranny was. | ||
| People didn't have memory. | ||
| So they couldn't remember the lies, and they couldn't remember that things had gotten worse, and that they would even lie to their own selves because they'd spent so much time accepting all the other lies. | ||
| So basically, without having a memory, you can't know what the truth is. | ||
| Good point. | ||
| But that's what George Harwell said. | ||
| I don't want to plagiarize him. | ||
| Also, you must learn this too, that mistakes are looked at as gifts. | ||
| Because a mistake is a gift you have to learn something from. | ||
| Wisdom. | ||
| Wisdom and mastery of thought. | ||
| Failing. | ||
| F-A-I-L-I-G. | ||
| Don't do this. | ||
| F-A-I-L-I-G. | ||
| That stands for finding an important lesson, inviting needed growth. | ||
| So as a matter of fact, in the truth of it all, in the memory of all truths, you don't fail, you just find a better way to do it. | ||
| So going back to what my grandmother said, that you have to be old enough to die to know how to really live. | ||
| It's called age experience and wisdom and mastery. | ||
| It happens with the evolution of your destiny. | ||
| Let's give Mr. Alex a hand. | ||
| He knows I can't do the tenth one. | ||
| I can't do all tenths. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
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You can do it, but... | |
| So now we've gotten to ten. | ||
| Now there are ten. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| So we only really get to hear Alex try to recite five, and then I think they cut out the rest of it. | ||
| I bet it went on for quite a while. | ||
| And I bet he struggled real hard. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Desperately tried to pivot into any other conversation. | ||
| Every single time he had to remember one, he was like, so let's talk about literally anything other than this letter or word or number you're trying to make. | ||
| You heard him be like, hey, you know, memory is a really important thing in 1984. | ||
| And Gary's response is, good point. | ||
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Yep. | |
| All right. | ||
| You know what failing stands for? | ||
| I guess the definition of the word? | ||
| So he, Alex, cannot do the 10. Of course not. | ||
| And Gary tries to make him feel better about how he did not fail the memory game. | ||
| What this has displayed, what you gave a display of, is your energy is not to be held back. | ||
| And it's as if you're sprinting a quarter of a mile so fast you're out in your purpose. | ||
| There's no pressure, there's no diamonds. | ||
| When you stay in the logic of going slow and taking your time, That's when you become your memory. | ||
| And that's when all things within you are solid. | ||
| True. | ||
| Concerning the past, the now, and the future. | ||
| You must remember the past is history. | ||
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Sure. | |
| The future is a mystery. | ||
| That sounds true. | ||
| And now is a gift. | ||
| Because it's called the present. | ||
| That doesn't sound true. | ||
| It's so true. | ||
| That does not sound true. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| No. | ||
| Refuse. | ||
| Alex is not in control of this interview. | ||
| And I think that he's too wanting to guide things in some way. | ||
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Right. | |
| He wants to have some sort of conversation he can use. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I don't think that he recognizes that, like, if you're going to be talking to Gary Busey, he's going to just talk to you. | ||
| You are whitewater rafting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You are not sailing. | ||
| You're not on a gondola. | ||
| You're not singing. | ||
| You are, edge of your seat, trying to just survive these words flying at you. | ||
| Because who knows where they're coming from? | ||
| Yeah, the best you can do is chip in a little, ha-ha, yes! | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Every now and again. | ||
| You nailed it. | ||
| That's what you say. | ||
| Gary says that hypocrisy is the lubricant of society. | ||
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Sure. | |
| You need to lubricate this. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| There's nothing to gain. | ||
| There's nothing... | ||
| You're going to get a bunch of words spelled out and shit, but... | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| This is more like Jimmy James giving you the secret of management. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Measure twice. | ||
| Cut once. | ||
| And every now and again you'll get a little bit of wisdom in there. | ||
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Sure. | |
| You're a kernel of something fun. | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| I don't pay attention, I play attention. | ||
| I'm with stupid. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| So Alex tries to reset things by talking about power. | ||
| And Gary, once again, is not interested in having any conversation except the one he wants. | ||
| You must learn to love your enemies. | ||
| Because in the truth of it all, enemies are friends in reverse. | ||
| And they show us things about ourselves we need to change. | ||
| And that's why they're here. | ||
| Ladies and gentlemen, we're talking to Gary Busey, and I talked to Gary about a year ago and about six months ago, and he's an investigator of a lot of different things. | ||
| He's been looking into world government and the New World Order and into the different facets of it. | ||
| Gary, sir. | ||
| World history, tyranny, tyrants, how do we deal with the general public not even being aware of the fact that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely? | ||
| I mean, people before us, our founding fathers, knew you've got to restrict government, you've got to restrict control over our lives because bad men will get control of those mechanisms. | ||
| The government's just a tool, but you don't want to build the tool, the device that can enslave and destroy. | ||
| Do you have any comments to that? | ||
| Yeah, through history, through the beginning of time, we've been learning that power is the ultimate achievement. | ||
| No matter how the power comes, no matter how you use it. | ||
| You know what power stands for? | ||
| No matter how it is, negative, positive, indifferent, stoic, nothing. | ||
| But if you feel you have power, and whatever way you use that feeling to give you the power you have, whether it be tyranny, wars, I mean, the greatest oxymoron of them all is holy war, which is not in God's plan. | ||
| The poor people of the Middle East, the Islams and the Muslims. | ||
| And the Arabs and the Taliban, the Afghanistans, the Pakistanis, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Turkey, Israel, the Palestinians, they all have a purpose on this earth, but they're not using the purpose God gave them to use. | ||
| They're using the fear that they have by not using God's purpose. | ||
| And the best way to stop wars is have women fight naked. | ||
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Because if women fight naked and the men stand beside them, Well, then we won't have much war because they're starting to put the women into the military. | |
| If they have found that about half the women that went to Iraq... | ||
| The men will be coming to watch them fight naked. | ||
| And it'll be a joy. | ||
| Everybody will be happy. | ||
| Everybody will win. | ||
| Everybody is a winner. | ||
| I feel like if... | ||
| Flabbergasting plan, Busey. | ||
| Tell me more about naked women fighting. | ||
| And how do we organize this? | ||
| Do they have a say? | ||
| No? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Are we drafting all women to a naked fight? | ||
| Right, and then your premise here is that women, if they fight naked, men will just sort of... | ||
| Hey, historically, they've never fought over women before. | ||
| And then the women will have a Tupperware party. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| Obviously, women adhere to these stereotypes, especially when they're naked on a battlefield. | ||
| They won't continue fighting. | ||
| How could they? | ||
| No, they would just have a Tupperware party. | ||
| There's too much Tupperware around. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We've gotta burp it. | ||
| I think that a lot of the time you can listen to Gary and he has these dumb shit things that he says. | ||
| Sin stands for self-imposed nonsense. | ||
| Right, and who cares? | ||
| That doesn't touch the real world. | ||
| No problem. | ||
| That's some sort of fancy self-help book, Jimmy James nonsense. | ||
| You're fine. | ||
| Yeah, but this to me is like, do you actually mean this? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Do you think there's some wisdom behind... | ||
| Because if so, you have a deeply chauvinistic, misogynistic worldview. | ||
| Second, you're dumb. | ||
| This is dumb. | ||
| It's very dumb. | ||
| It calls into question all of the words you have broken down for me. | ||
| If this is also something you're expressing. | ||
| It's like an interesting take on Liz Estrada. | ||
| Except when I say interesting, I mean utterly insane. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That is not what Liz Estrada is about. | ||
| No. | ||
| Liz Estrada is a whole different thing. | ||
| And, like, I mean, the idea of withholding sex from men to reveal that men are just behaving like children. | ||
| Yeah, I guess. | ||
| But that wouldn't be... | ||
| We're all gonna go fight naked and have a Tupperware party. | ||
| And then the play is over. | ||
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Yep. | |
| It would not have stood the test of time. | ||
| Probably not. | ||
| Yeah, I think that this is one of those points in this interview where I would be like, oh man, this guy's a bullshitter. | ||
| If I were Alex talking to him, I'd be like, there's nothing here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This fucking guy. | ||
| I mean, all we're doing is listening to a man, like, 50-style rap. | ||
| Like, this is the beat generation guy just being like, if I just say words skittily-skittily-skat, then the words will mean something later. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, except so many of these things, like what these words stand for and all that, are things that he says... | ||
| Yeah, you gotta not do that. | ||
| It isn't just, like, all random shit coming out of his mouth. | ||
| Like, some of these are things he has thought. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Apparently, when you talk about power, though, people are like sheep, and they're following these powerful people. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And the powerful people have been at the direction of 14 spirits. | ||
| That have been directing humanity intergenerationally to torture us. | ||
| I'm sorry? | ||
| Why is it, though, really dark, evil, wicked people who are sadistic and enjoy doing bad things to populations, enjoy mutating populations spiritually, physically, financially, why do those type of individuals normally get into power, and then once they have power, no one's challenging them, they increase the murder or the slaughter? | ||
| How do we stop? | ||
| Well, number one, why do we see that happen, or do you agree? | ||
| How do we stop that? | ||
| A lot of the people who are under the power of the tyrants are like sheep. | ||
| They know nothing else. | ||
| They have no role models. | ||
| This is from generation to generation to generation, and they come with generational curses, and the spirits of evil, and there's 14 of them that are listed in the Bible. | ||
| And when you have these spirits of evil working with you, within you, around you, and you have the spirits of evil working in the leaders and in the politicians and in the generals, Nothing but evil. | ||
| And the most endangered species. | ||
| Is dedicated leaders. | ||
| You mean good leaders? | ||
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I mean dedicated leaders in the right way. | |
| Certainly good way. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| That, folks, that is incredibly, the old 60s word, heavy. | ||
| Hey, we're rapping. | ||
| What's number five? | ||
| Remember number five? | ||
| Poor pie. | ||
| No, tweezers. | ||
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Nice! | |
| I can't tell you what six through ten are though, because that was cut out of this video. | ||
| See I can't imagine having that be something that I started with in my... | ||
| Now, for the rest of the interview, I'm just going to be popping in with four! | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like, you just got to do it. | ||
| Corpulent porpoise. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Got it. | ||
| Would he say that his purpose is corpulent? | ||
| Uh, sure. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| So we've got 14 spirits of evil that have been cursing humanity from time immemorial. | ||
| Are they just fast, or are they everywhere at the same time? | ||
| Can they apparate? | ||
| Can they, like, disappear and reappear in any situation? | ||
| Teleportation? | ||
| What kind of powers do these spirits have? | ||
| So you're asking the wrong questions. | ||
| Apparently I am. | ||
| The word power. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| All right, you understand? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It means poor pie only want extra rations. | ||
| Because they're corpulent. | ||
| Landed that plane, baby! | ||
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See, this is what you need to unpack. | |
| This is what you need to understand. | ||
| When Sully crashed that plane, what did he hit? | ||
| Poor pie. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| Everything works together. | ||
| So, Busey gets to talking about some other thoughts he has. | ||
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Sure. | |
| And I actually think that there's something to this next one. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But Alex should throw something at him. | ||
| Or take him off the balcony or something. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because this is downright globalist-y thinking. | ||
| There's a lot of negativity going on in our government. | ||
| There's a lot of negativity going on in our neighborhood. | ||
| And one thing we must learn to do is never compete with the energy of the neighborhood. | ||
| Our body, our self, is our first neighborhood. | ||
| Our second neighborhood is our family. | ||
| Our third neighborhood is the house we live in. | ||
| Our fourth neighborhood is the neighborhood, the houses around you. | ||
| I figured we were going to get to the neighborhood, too. | ||
| Fifth neighborhood, the city. | ||
| Sixth neighborhood, the state. | ||
| Seventh neighborhood, the country. | ||
| And the eighth neighborhood is the world. | ||
| Infinity. | ||
| Never compete with the energy of those neighborhoods. | ||
| Learn how to fit into it in your way of truth. | ||
| And understand that the one way to be safe and to be in a place of nurturement is being true to yourself without the advice from others on how to handle and be more powerful over others. | ||
| Because that's what planet Earth is about. | ||
| That's what the Earth is about, man. | ||
| Listen, I get. | ||
| I've heard be true to myself. | ||
| I think the people who say, oh, all you need to do is be true to yourself, leave out the part where it's like, I kind of don't know who I am, man. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Really don't know. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Could be a random strange person. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You have some perceptions maybe about who you are, but you don't know for sure. | ||
| Yeah, you'll never know. | ||
| Well, we do know that you're part of eight neighborhoods. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Alex should be opposed to the last one. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Because that's the world. | ||
| And we are not citizens of the world. | ||
| That's bullshit. | ||
| Where's counties on here? | ||
| That's not one of the neighborhoods. | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
| What's the difference between your family and the house you live in? | ||
| That one confused me. | ||
| Yeah, those two seem like they could go together. | ||
| Turn that into one and put county in there. | ||
| That's kind of what I was thinking. | ||
| But, you know, sometimes people have strange living arrangements. | ||
| Maybe it's not just your family living in one house, I guess. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I mean, it's not strange. | ||
| That happens. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So maybe we need nine neighborhoods. | ||
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Sure, but also, What? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| One of them's not a planet anymore, though. | ||
| Yeah, but back then it was. | ||
| Right, but also Nabooru. | ||
| You never know with Nabooru. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So I think that there's also, even if we leave, just accept the eight. | ||
| All right. | ||
| There's still a fundamental problem with what Gary is saying. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that is that he's saying the important thing is not to go against the energy of the neighborhood, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But then also you have to be true to yourself. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Those are contradictory advice. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Be a conformist, but also never conform. | ||
| No, go with the flow, but, like, in a stand-on-no-flow way, you know? | ||
| You know, like, I'm going with the flow, but maybe I'm not flowing today. | ||
| Right. | ||
| What if what is true to me is against a number of the neighborhoods that I am a part of? | ||
| Are you supposed to go with the energy of the national neighborhood if you're in Nazi Germany? | ||
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Sure. | |
| Ninth neighborhood, the moon. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You gotta go there. | ||
| That's not a planet. | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
| And even if you did go to the moon, that would just replace one of the other neighborhoods. | ||
| That would just become your country or whatever instead of America. | ||
| Sure! | ||
| Just moon. | ||
| Yeah, there is a little bit of join or die to that that is unspoken. | ||
| But it's holding hands with never join. | ||
| True to yourself, but also join or die. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's, it's, this is why I can't, well, there's a number of reasons I can't take Gary Busey seriously, but like, this is one that if I were Alex in this position, I would try to Sure. | ||
| How do you be yourself and also not disrupt the energy of the neighborhood? | ||
| Right. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| Right. | ||
| This is an ism that means nothing. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It does mean nothing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's meaningless. | ||
| Be yourself at all costs, but also fit in. | ||
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Yep. | |
| There you go. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| That's good advice. | ||
| So now we start talking about a boat. | ||
| That makes a lot of sense. | ||
| This boat is in your mind. | ||
| All right. | ||
| This is an imaginary boat. | ||
| Ah, now I'm bummed out. | ||
| But you're in the boat. | ||
| Okay, now I'm back in. | ||
| And it has a sail. | ||
| Ah, I'm bummed out again. | ||
| And that sail is the golden rule. | ||
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Ooh. | |
| And Gary, to ask you another question along that line, how do we get the people to do unto others as they would... | ||
| Because it's true. | ||
| if we were all better people, if we were all more involved trying to be powerful with our community instead of being powerful over a community, how do we do that? | ||
| How do you... | ||
| Well, the golden rule is the biggest rule of all. | ||
| Do unto others as you would have others do unto you. | ||
| And it starts with you doing that to yourself. | ||
| What? | ||
| Be kind to yourself. | ||
| Don't be mean to yourself. | ||
| Don't be a codependent. | ||
| Don't be a rescuer, because a lot of the things A lot of the energy that you bring with you comes from the energy of a displaced past and an unpurposeful future. | ||
| The golden rule starts with you. | ||
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You yourself. | |
| Do as to yourself as you would do to others. | ||
| Do it to others. | ||
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As you would have others doing to yourself. | |
| See, it's all saying the same thing. | ||
| All this information I just gave you comes right down to one thing that Alex just put up in front of you. | ||
| This is a sail on your boat of life. | ||
| The unconditional love. | ||
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The golden rule is your sail. | |
| The ocean is a spirit. | ||
| The ocean is your imagination. | ||
| The ocean is your power. | ||
| The ocean is your emotion. | ||
| The sail on the boat is the golden rule. | ||
| The wind that catches the sail and pushes the boat into a lovely sunset of tropical design with a double rainbow, that wind is your spirit. | ||
| So when you're kind to yourself, you'll be kind to others. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I think that there's some good advice in there in the piece of, like, you know, we all understand the golden rule and that kind of stuff, but we don't always think about it. | ||
| And you're not really taught this as a kid in the same way. | ||
| That does apply to you. | ||
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Sure. | |
| You know, you should be kind to yourself. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You know, I think that's missing from this understanding of the Golden Rule a lot of the time. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Now, I don't know if this is like a super profound thing or all that important, but, you know, to the point that Gary is saying something that maybe people could have some use for, that's there. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| We don't need to get into the boat. | ||
| We don't need to get into the sail. | ||
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Nope. | |
| The golden rule is the sail on your boat and the spirits, the wind. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| It's all unnecessary. | ||
| One of the most important things that you can learn about Zen Collins is that the truth behind Zen Collins is that if you're really interested in the answer, you shouldn't be talking to me. | ||
| That's the whole idea. | ||
| Like if you're interested in the answer to the question, You shouldn't be talking to me. | ||
| Go talk to somebody else who's interested in that question. | ||
| If you're interested in the answer to the question, you shouldn't be. | ||
| You shouldn't be talking to me. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| Leave me alone. | ||
| Ignoring Gary Busey is the root of all wisdom. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| That is the idea. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So Gary is kind of, I mean, look, he's not unlike Paul from the Bible. | ||
| He's not unlike him? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So when you're kind to yourself, you'll be kind to others. | ||
| And believe you me, I've been through it. | ||
| Because I was hell to be with and hell to be around for a long time. | ||
| But you must go through those things to see that there is an outcome for it. | ||
| That's another reason we're on earth. | ||
| To go through life and use life as life is given to you. | ||
| And life is given to you as a blessing. | ||
| And you can turn your blessings into blessings for others by utilizing the golden rule for yourself first. | ||
| And for others, you know that God is always with you. | ||
| He's always there. | ||
| What happens to people when they go down to the bottom of the barrel and go below the bottom, go below the bottom, land of the bottom feeder? | ||
| What? | ||
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God. | |
| Happens every time. | ||
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Happened to me. | |
| I mean, that's what happened to Paul. | ||
| Oh, I've been compared to Paul. | ||
| I've been compared to Paul. | ||
| By whom? | ||
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When? | |
| Where? | ||
| Just the way I live my life, the way I've, you know, taken it on. | ||
| I mean, Paul was a great military man. | ||
| I mean, everybody can be compared to Paul. | ||
| The source of my energy, like I was told when I got out of the hospital two months early after my death from brain surgery, that I was born with the energy of ten men who have normal jobs. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right, man. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Ten men. | ||
| The energy of ten men. | ||
| Who told you these things? | ||
| Paul. | ||
| That sounds true. | ||
| I believe that you think he did tell you those things. | ||
| My doctor is named Paul. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Well, then never mind. | ||
| And that stands for positive affirmations utilized lovingly. | ||
| Nice! | ||
| Oh, that's two! | ||
| This man can't stop landing planes! | ||
| This is what it's about, having the energy of ten men. | ||
| I think that if I were Alex and I was someone who God gave visions to from the time I was young and I'm on a mission against the devil, I think I'd take it a little more seriously if someone's like, you know, I'm kind of like Paul. | ||
| I feel like I'd be more offended by that. | ||
| I wonder if it's possible not to abuse this type of power over people. | ||
| Gary Abusey? | ||
| Not bad. | ||
| Not bad. | ||
| But I mean, you know, that ability, He's not going to leave. | ||
| You're famous. | ||
| I want some of your juice. | ||
| I'm a vampire. | ||
| I'm a parasite. | ||
| I am stealing some of your juice, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And Gary Busey knows this. | ||
| And so Gary Busey can just abuse that power and say whatever the fuck he wants with no consequences. | ||
| And I'm not trying to defend Gary or anything like that. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Because I don't know all that much about him. | ||
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Sure. | |
| I imagine he's tough to be around. | ||
| I think that he does not have as much malice as a lot of the people who Alex would later be surrounded by. | ||
| This seems like somebody who's just kind of a survivor of a traumatic brain injury. | ||
| He's got his own thing going on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's worked out his view on the world, and it's not based on hurting people. | ||
| No! | ||
| In the same way that a lot of people who Alex is around now are. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| But he's notable because he's famous. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Alex wants a little bit of that attention. | ||
| And in order to get it, he's going to have to sit through memory games and this stuff. | ||
| He doesn't seem like he... | ||
| No! | ||
| I think he's existing. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And Alex is trying to make it useful. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I don't know if I abused me in a malicious towards Alex way, but in a, like, this is something that only exists for a certain person, you know? | ||
| And so by being that person, you're given the impression that what you have to say is important. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But it's not. | ||
| No. | ||
| And Alex would never, and I don't think most people would be all that interested in the character that Gary Busey embodies, especially in 2004, if he wasn't, like, prior to the accident, an amazing actor. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And also a good actor afterwards. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He had plenty of roles afterwards. | ||
| Yeah, he still did. | ||
| That were fantastic. | ||
| But, like, you know, he was a Buddy Holly story. | ||
| You know, like, there's that that makes this character that he embodies interesting. | ||
| And that's the only reason that this conversation's happening. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He was great in Point Break. | ||
| True. | ||
| He just was so great in Point Break. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He's had a lot of fine roles. | ||
| He really has. | ||
| So look, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You gotta be honest. | ||
| Yeah, that makes sense. | ||
| Truth is important. | ||
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Sure. | |
| And that's your ticket to heaven. | ||
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Sure. | |
| And also, heaven is what you want to make of it. | ||
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That sounds true. | |
| Also, when people die, you should celebrate. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Honesty. | ||
| Honesty is your ticket to heaven. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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Wow. | |
| And that heaven I'm talking about is the heaven you hold in your heart. | ||
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The heaven you hold internally. | |
| It's great to be alive! | ||
| Celebrate it. | ||
| Celebrate life every day. | ||
| And when a loved one passes over to the other side, celebrate that person's life. | ||
| Funerals are for the living. | ||
| They wear black, they gnash their teeth, they wail and they moan. | ||
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That's the living. | |
| That's the people who are still living. | ||
| That's their emotions. | ||
| Celebrate with the happiness of life when that person crosses over because that person's in a better place. | ||
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And when you wail and gnash your teeth and moan, you're holding them back. | |
| Gary, would you like to tell folks what it was like when you got what you saw on the other side? | ||
| Because I know Colonel Craig Roberts, who we've interviewed, has told very similar stories to what Gary's talked about. | ||
| I choose to save that for another time. | ||
| No, I don't want to tell you what happens when you die. | ||
| You made me remember five fucking things! | ||
| You tell me that story! | ||
| I said, tweezers! | ||
| No, not this time. | ||
| Sorry, buddy. | ||
| I'll tell you about the afterlife later. | ||
| You know, I think when I was watching this, I think there's no point to this interview. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I understand why it's not an artifact that is important in Alex's career. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because he's talking to a then-famous person, but, like, there's no great sound bites that Gary gives. | ||
| There's no, like, yeah, I'll tell you what, fuck all these globalists. | ||
| He talks about working with George H.W. Bush to get the head injury legislation. | ||
| So this is kind of a dud. | ||
| But knowing the way that Alex's career goes, I feel a little bit of a lesson that he learns from Gary. | ||
| There's some Gary energy in Alex. | ||
| The way that he's a bully, conversationally. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I don't think that Gary means it to be bullying. | ||
| No. | ||
| But he's going to have the conversation that he's having. | ||
| You be damned. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You can either participate in the conversation that's happening or you can get I have the power to do whatever I want because you can't stop me. | ||
| Like, you don't have the power within you to meet me. | ||
| Right, but that power dynamic is something that you can kind of make artificial in conversation. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You can create it a little bit. | ||
| And I think that Alex is, like, the person that you see here in this 2004 interview is someone who doesn't have it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's subservient conversationally to Gary. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| The Alex that you see now will just steamroll people, just yell at people, and, like, take the upper hand in interviews when it's possible. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And I think that, you know, the 14 evil spirits that walk among us and, you know, like all that stuff is like, oh, this is... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Whether it's from this interview or intentional or, you know, I don't think that's necessarily the case. | ||
| I think it's just the space that he inhabits. | ||
| You know, because I think Fuentes has that same instinctive ability to understand power dynamics. | ||
| Like, when I am at my strongest, I bulldoze people and I make them know that I'm strong. | ||
| And when I'm weak, I'm like right there. | ||
| Hey, what do you think, Gary Busey? | ||
| Tell me more about rainbows! | ||
| You know, like all of that stuff. | ||
| I agree with that. | ||
| And I think a lot of people in the right wing have that. | ||
| And that's kind of a weird alpha thing that they feel out with each other. | ||
| Gross. | ||
| What I'm talking about more is that Gary Busey is able to weaponize his insanity in these social power hierarchy dynamics. | ||
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Sure. | |
| You know, like, there is a certain amount of Gary that's like, he's gonna play this memory game and you're not gonna be able to stop him. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And there is a certain amount of power that comes in that. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And Alex, he has an insanity and a public image of being a nut that I think he can weaponize, conversationally. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Like, his deposition talking about how Epstein didn't kill himself. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There is a slipperiness that his persona gives him, and that is something that I think you see mirrored here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I think that Gary's... | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| But for Alex, I think it's a lot more like, this just works. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It does work. | ||
| It's more cynical. | ||
| It does work. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So the interview ends, and there's a tiny moment that you hear when the camera should have cut. | ||
| And it's not that interesting. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But then... | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Of him talking to... | ||
| Let's start from square one, buddy! | ||
| No, of him talking about the boat on the scene. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| All right, folks, that's Gary Busey. | ||
| And God bless. | ||
| Take care. | ||
| Thank you for yourself. | ||
| Wow. | ||
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That was great, man. | |
| God almighty. | ||
| This whole thing was planned by God. | ||
| You know that, don't you? | ||
| Well, let me tell you, Gary. | ||
| camera out there. | ||
| Yeah, that's fine. | ||
| Just get up there. | ||
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Okay, rolling. | |
| There's a reference I'd like to bring you. | ||
| No, let's start over. | ||
| Cut. | ||
| There's some information. | ||
| You're in a boat. | ||
| You're in a boat. | ||
| You choose the color of the boat. | ||
| The boat's on the ocean. | ||
| The ocean represents your spirit, your emotions, and your life. | ||
| And your life that you're living is the boat. | ||
| You're in the boat. | ||
| You have a sail on this boat. | ||
| And the sail, let's call the sail the golden rule, doing to others as you would have others doing to you. | ||
| But it starts with doing to yourself how you would do to others and how others would do to you. | ||
| It starts with yourself. | ||
| The sail is the golden rule, doing to others. | ||
| You have an anchor. | ||
| That you don't know you have. | ||
| It's an invisible anchor. | ||
| It goes down. | ||
| It's sunk in the ocean floor. | ||
| The wind comes. | ||
| The boat doesn't move. | ||
| You don't have an engine on the boat. | ||
| You don't have any paddles. | ||
| So you're not going anywhere. | ||
| The wind in this aspect represents the spirit. | ||
| That invisible anchor, when you do the golden rule and when you're kind to yourself, when you're kind to others. | ||
| And when you believe in the truth of who you are and you're not being mean to yourself or others, that invisible anchor will slowly break away. | ||
| And that invisible anchor represents the people you are listening to who are controlling you, the government that might be controlling you, the senators or congressmen that might have you down in a special place that doesn't give you the complete freedom of the Declaration of Independence it allows us to have. | ||
| I'm not pointing my fingers at anyone. | ||
| I'm just talking about the world around us. | ||
| Now, in your boat, you might want to catch some fish. | ||
| The fishing pole is representative of joie de vivre. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, Jesus kept the parable short for a reason, bud. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That clip, I think, is just indicative of, like, this is not good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Even doing a clean take. | ||
| But, like, also, that part where he starts and then he says, cut. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That, to me, undercuts the image of Gary Busey. | ||
| He's a pro! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's a pro! | ||
| That's a little moment that really breaks the illusion. | ||
| You want to think of him as just the guy who's going to tell you what words stand for and play memory games. | ||
| He's just going to exist as he exists. | ||
| But that's not true. | ||
| A lot of the times that you see stuff where he's the Gary Busey character that you think of, That's probably take two or three. | ||
| You know, like there's times where he gets going and he's like, I'm not feeling, let's start over. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's false. | ||
| It's a little bit false. | ||
| I mean, listen, I'm not going to be the guy who says that, you know, maybe actors from L.A. don't have anything worth hearing. | ||
| But, fuck it. | ||
| Don't ask them any more questions, human beings! | ||
| What are we doing? | ||
| They pretend to be things. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| Yeah, and I think that this interview embodies a really interesting duality, which is there isn't really anything interesting here that needs to be said. | ||
| But at the same time, you know, Gary Busey, when he's talking about survivors of traumatic brain injuries and how the government can better serve them, he's a very useful and effective advocate in that sense. | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| And so, like... | ||
| Saying he has nothing to say isn't fair. | ||
| He has something to say there, but then this boat stuff... | ||
| It might. | ||
| Where you go like, oh, this... | ||
| This guy is the victim of a traumatic brain injury? | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yes, he is. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| And it's fascinating to see Alex in this setting because he's got nothing. | ||
| Nothing happens. | ||
| It's a dud. | ||
| It's a boring interview. | ||
| And when he talks to celebrities and stuff, it's usually something he really tries to make a big deal of. | ||
| He talks about how he talked to Charlton Heston constantly. | ||
| Because they got to talk about guns and how great the NRA is and all this stuff. | ||
| That time that I hung out with Gary Busey and he explained to me that women should fight nude. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I'm going to do it. | ||
| This is like whenever they went to meet Seinfeld for lunch. | ||
| And you just wanted a famous name. | ||
| You just want the name to be there. | ||
| And then people, this is clickbait before early. | ||
| But it's also a horrible, like, I guess the Seinfeld episode that doesn't go great. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But Alex doesn't, like, how many people have seen news radio? | ||
| Alex didn't edit this to make him say something that he didn't, like, to make Gary say something he didn't say. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| He could have, I guess. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I just wanted a little bit of a palate cleanser. | ||
| Something to end the week on. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| Yeah, just a little bit of triviality. | ||
| It is so great to listen to, like, self-help with, like... | ||
| You know, just like, this is regular old, like, hey, let's not drink anymore. | ||
| But also, things can be and not be at the same time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| 20 years ago, this is the best Alex could do. | ||
| Anyway, we'll be back with another episode. | ||
| Check in how our ding-dong's doing in the present day. | ||
| But until then, we have a website. | ||
| Indeed we do. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
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Yep. | |
| We'll be back. | ||
| But until then, I'm Neo. | ||
| I'm Leo. | ||
| I'm DZXClark. | ||
| I am the Mysterious Professor. | ||
| Woo! | ||
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Yeah! | |
| Woo! | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| Woo! | ||
| And now here comes the sex robots. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |
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