#1046: June 5, 2025 (The War Room)
In this installment, Dan and Jordan continue to dissect the aftermath of Musk and Trump's twitter fight, as they experience how Owen tries to hold down the fort while Alex is still busy with court.
June 11, 2025 - Knowledge Fight
01:21:01
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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
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Dan and George. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| I need money. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
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Stop it. | |
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| It's time to pray. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
|
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your room. | ||
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| Knowledgefight.com. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are. | ||
| Dan. | ||
|
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Jordan. | |
| Jordan. | ||
| Quick question for you. | ||
| What's up? | ||
| What's your bright spot today, buddy? | ||
| Why don't you go first? | ||
| My bright spot is Stereolab. | ||
| It has a new album out. | ||
| It's pretty good. | ||
| And do you know what this means? | ||
| All right? | ||
| This is another French thing that is a bright spot of mine. | ||
| Oh, sacre bleu. | ||
| This is what I'm saying. | ||
| So now I've offered you, I've got two words for you. | ||
| All right? | ||
| And you can choose between them. | ||
| René France? | ||
| Or francescence? | ||
| A francescence? | ||
| I think Francisance sounds better. | ||
| Francisance has a little... | ||
| Yep, so I'm declaring this a francescence. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I am loving French shit right now. | ||
| 2025 is the year of the francescence. | ||
| May I recommend a pan au bourre? | ||
| That's a little bread with butter. | ||
| A little café au lait. | ||
| A little bit of coffee with milk. | ||
| How about that? | ||
| I will accept those things. | ||
| I will take those into my heart. | ||
| What about croque madame or croque monsieur? | ||
| I was gonna say, what's a croque madame? | ||
| It's croque monsieur with an egg on it. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| I did not know that. | ||
| What's a croque monsieur? | ||
| It's like a sandwich that's, I think it's like, I don't know everything that's on it. | ||
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Sure. | |
| But I think it is French toast for bread. | ||
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unidentified
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Okay. | |
| And then it's got like ham. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And definitely some cheese. | ||
| Very French. | ||
| Some fromage. | ||
| Some fromage. | ||
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There we go. | |
| Fromage. | ||
| All right. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Yeah, I'll teach you some French if you want. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Give me something you want to know how to say in French. | ||
| Let's see. | ||
| How about pants? | ||
| Pantalon. | ||
| That cannot be true. | ||
| Les pantalon. | ||
| That can't be true. | ||
| Savory. | ||
| Means that's true. | ||
| Alright, alright. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| How about hair? | ||
| Hair? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Uh-oh. | ||
| That's a great question. | ||
| Hair is a great question. | ||
| You've stumped me on hair. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I know the hat is chapeau. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But it can't be cha-hair. | ||
| It just can't. | ||
| That's not how it works. | ||
| What if it's just hair? | ||
| Do-hair? | ||
| Yeah, it could be hair. | ||
| It could be hair! | ||
| It would be do-something, because it would be some hair. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Let me look this up. | ||
| Hair in French. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Cha-vo. | ||
| Cha-vo. | ||
| Cha-po and cha-vo. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| All right. | ||
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De-cha-vo. | |
| How about hair? | ||
| Hair. | ||
| The rabbit. | ||
| Hair the rabbit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What's that in French? | ||
| I don't know that one either. | ||
| Let's just look up French words. | ||
| All right. | ||
| End of show. | ||
| La Pan. | ||
| Marie La Pan. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right, got it. | ||
| Marie the Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| What's your bright spot? | ||
| Teaching French. | ||
| I think you're doing great at it. | ||
| Oh, well, we just got in the mailbag. | ||
| Got a nice silk-ish. | ||
| I don't know if it's actually silk, but it is a robe with dragons on it. | ||
| It is a dragon robe. | ||
| Which takes me back to the old days, back when I used to rock these robes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
|
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Constantly. | |
| Those were my bong days. | ||
| You were a robe and bong guy. | ||
| Yep, got in circles and just handled business. | ||
| Not enough people to make a circle. | ||
| There would be right angles. | ||
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There's either triangles or straight lines. | |
| Segments. | ||
| Could be a rectangle. | ||
| Could be, maybe, maybe, if you're lucky, you're gonna end up in a pentagon. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But no circles. | ||
| Did you have the name of the person who sent that? | ||
| I sure do. | ||
| You took the letter there. | ||
| I sure do. | ||
| It's Dustin Arth. | ||
| Hey, Dustin, thank you so much for this robe. | ||
| From the band Stage 11. Oh my. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Are you sure that's Stage 11, not Stage 2? | ||
| Could be Roman numerals. | ||
| I feel like those are ones, right? | ||
| Yeah, those are ones. | ||
| So either it's Stage 11 or Stage 1-1. | ||
| Stage 11 is just past Stage 9. Which is what Trump said that Biden had stage 9 cancer. | ||
| Oh, he had stage 9 cancer. | ||
|
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Yep. | |
| That's pretty funny. | ||
| So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over. | ||
| We're going to be talking about later on on June 5th. | ||
| Later on on June 5th. | ||
|
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Yes. | |
| Our last episode covered Alex's show where Chase was filling in as the war between Musk and Trump heated up. | ||
| It accelerated. | ||
| It got to the point where Musk was calling Trump a pedophile. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And now, what happens in the war room? | ||
| Anything. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Anything to happen. | ||
| Does Alex get out of court? | ||
| We'll find out. | ||
| But first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks. | ||
| Oh, that's a great idea. | ||
| So first, this is Bushy becoming a wonk to inspire Mateo and Mark to become wonks. | ||
| Thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
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Thank you very much! | |
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, Lady Gribbon Pibbin of the Gribble Pibble. | ||
| Thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, Jordan, please read the Star Wars Dr. Aphra comics. | ||
| I promise you will like them. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| And from Lucretia Borgia to Dr. Teone, thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| And we got a technocrat in the mix. | ||
| So thank you so much, too. | ||
| Congratulations to Penny and Teal on your wedding. | ||
| Happy honeymoon and have a very brinty... | ||
| Brinty. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
|
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Four stars. | |
| Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. | ||
| Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. | ||
| Daddy Shark. | ||
| Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. | ||
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He's a loser little titty baby. | |
| I don't want to hate black people. | ||
| I renounce Jesus Christ. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| Yes, thank you very much. | ||
| So, we start the show off. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And actually, I worried about how to chronologically put this. | ||
| Because Alex records a special report about the unfolding situation with Musk and Trump. | ||
| And Owen plays it later in his show. | ||
| But it would have happened at the beginning of Owen's show. | ||
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Right. | |
| So I have placed Alex's response at the beginning of the episode. | ||
| When it was creepy. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So Alex is outside of the court. | ||
| He has just gotten done. | ||
| Gotten word. | ||
| And he is out in front of a bus stop. | ||
| Great. | ||
| and some heavy wind, uh, talking about how, uh, maybe Musk, maybe he knew something. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Maybe he's wrong, Have on X, on Elon Musk official account, that Musk's war that's obviously erupted with Trump has gone to a whole other level with Musk saying, I can tell you why they haven't released the Epstein files, and it's because President Trump is in them. | ||
| Now, unpacking the magnitude of that is just incredible. | ||
| I made a few phone calls before I came on live here to tell you. | ||
| My take and some of the inside baseball information I know. | ||
| Whose team are we on? | ||
| First off, we know that Musk knows that the entire West is going to collapse if the U.S. collapses. | ||
| That means the whole world. | ||
| He's very upset that these doge cuts they brought forward have not been brought forward. | ||
| He's very upset about the Big Beautiful Bill. | ||
| Also in the Big Beautiful Bill is a total AI liability protection system that the Democrats and Obama and the globalists wanted before. | ||
| And Musk has actually wanted... | ||
| And there's a lot of that going on. | ||
| I believe Musk has integrity. | ||
| I believe Musk has at least been told this. | ||
| But what does it mean that Trump supposedly in the Epstein files? | ||
| So I'm sure he was told that by some sources he thinks are accurate. | ||
| I'm not saying Musk is wrong. | ||
| We have to coolly investigate this. | ||
| This is a weak opening gambit from Alex. | ||
| He's suggesting an explanation where everyone has good intentions, but that Musk has got some bad intel from a source that he thinks is credible. | ||
| The issue here is that that doesn't really address the problem. | ||
| Pretty much everyone knows that Trump would be in whatever files the intelligence agencies have about Epstein. | ||
| It's just not clear what level of information they'd have about him or how implicated he would be in anything, but those dudes were good friends and they have a deep history with each other. | ||
| It's a little silly to think that he wouldn't be in some files, even if the files that exist don't show that he was a client of Epstein's in the child trafficking way. | ||
| The content of Musk's tweets is not that important, except how charged these things he's saying are. | ||
| What matters is that he's saying them. | ||
| It's a betrayal and a disrespect to the kayfabe that the right-wing media has agreed to uphold in order to prop up Trump. | ||
| In essence, Musk is saying that the king has no clothes, and this is the real problem that Alex doesn't seem like he wants to deal with. | ||
| Musk saying that Trump was on the Epstein files is one thing, but folks like Alex seem to miss that there are other implications baked into these tweets. | ||
| In this tweet, Musk is also saying that Trump has corrupted the intelligence agencies to the point where they can block these files getting released because he's in them. | ||
| Musk isn't just accusing Trump of being in the files. | ||
| He's also saying that Trump is using the U.S. government as a tool to advance his own personal interests, not the interests of the public. | ||
| Who could do such a thing? | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't want to pretend I'm going to faint over this, but it's ignored. | ||
| Alex is ignoring this element of it because it's almost too challenging. | ||
| I guess they're all trapped in a weird Stalin-esque version of that meeting where there's a goat and he's like, that's a deer! | ||
| Except everybody's like, it could be fucking anything, man! | ||
| Choose one! | ||
| You might die! | ||
| Great, okay. | ||
| Yeah, and I think that obviously, you know, we can just say descriptively, Alex is not in a good place. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, he's not well-situated to deal with this kind of... | ||
| But he does try and defend Trump a little bit. | ||
| And we know they got, three months ago, thousands and thousands of files have been hidden by the Democrats at the New York FBI offices by the Comeys, literally him and his daughter over. | ||
| And we know Pam Bonney raided those offices at Cash Hotel to get that. | ||
| There's a lot of damage control going on. | ||
| Right now with Cash Patel and Dan Montino saying that Epstein killed himself and that Cash Patel is about to do a huge media tour very, very soon. | ||
| I'll sleep with that. | ||
| You'll see what I'm talking about tomorrow. | ||
| So there's a lot of signs of impending damage control and they knew this was about to come out. | ||
| At least that Musk was going this direction. | ||
| I have investigated Trump massively. | ||
| I know that the Jane Doe's that followed suit saying he raped them and they were 14, 15, turned out to be fake Democrat operations in the last eight years. | ||
| I know a lot of people in that area of Florida, not just Roger Stone, that's been Trump's confidant for 40-plus years, 47 years, said that he knows Trump well. | ||
| He should be his wingman when he was during divorces. | ||
| Trump likes big, powerful, bombshell women. | ||
| Good God. | ||
| Look at his current amazing wife. | ||
| He's not into young women. | ||
| Great time to bring it up! | ||
| Much less underage girls. | ||
| Okay, so this line of thinking seems to imply that Alex thinks that Musk's allegations are true. | ||
| And that the heads of the FBI and Attorney General are engaging in a scheme of damage control about the fact that Trump was in the Epstein files and that Musk was going to eventually reveal that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That seems to be part of what he's saying at the beginning there. | ||
| Patel and Bongino saying that Epstein killed himself was part of getting ahead of the story that Musk was going to come out with. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's some really fucked up possibility. | ||
| And it feels like if Alex thinks that's true, he should be calling for all kinds of impeachments. | ||
| Like, across the board, these people gotta go. | ||
| This is a cover-up. | ||
| This is elaborate. | ||
| Or maybe not. | ||
| Maybe Trump likes these cool, hot women. | ||
| You know, I mean, in my mind... | ||
| If you say to me, like, oh, he was just having sex with trafficked women, not trafficked underage women, I say we're too far past a point where you can make those distinctions and have it matter. | ||
| Bombshell. | ||
| But apparently for these people, yeah, that seems important. | ||
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Well, I mean, they weren't underage, so... | |
| Great! | ||
| I think that Alex can't quite figure out what direction he wants to go, because there's this weird conspiracy shit at the beginning, and then Trump's totally cool at the end. | ||
| They don't really blend well together. | ||
| Also, Alex is saying that Kash Patel is about to do a press tour, which is a reference to him being on Rogan. | ||
| This was before that episode came out, so Alex does have that information in advance before it's publicly announced. | ||
| Wait, wait, wait, wait. | ||
| He was on Rogan? | ||
| The head of the FBI. | ||
| What a bunch of idiots. | ||
| Yeah, it's crazy. | ||
| This is fucking hilarious. | ||
| I think that if you're Rogan, or if you're someone in Rogan's position, I think that you should be careful if you're having an interview with the former head of the FBI. | ||
| If you're having an interview with the current sitting head of the FBI. | ||
| I don't think there's a way you can really do that Rogan-style interview in a way that isn't embarrassing. | ||
| Mr. Hoover, I have two questions for you. | ||
| One, as the head of an intelligence agency controlled almost entirely by yourself with no oversight, how can I be sure you're telling me the truth? | ||
| And follow-up question, you want to do some drugs? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay, cool. | ||
| All right. | ||
| And you're under arrest. | ||
| Yeah, it's embarrassing. | ||
| I think that... | ||
| Boy, I mean, I don't know. | ||
| I just don't know how you get more licking the boot of anybody, really. | ||
| I mean, I don't. | ||
| I can't think of another way. | ||
| The head of the FBI is not going to sit down with a Rogan-type podcast if there's a risk. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's never been a situation where the head of the FBI was hanging out with cool people, and the cool people didn't get in real trouble. | ||
| Yeah, if the head of the FBI is agreeing to this interview with you, you are the safest fucking place to do an interview. | ||
| You have your head up his asshole. | ||
| You are the Joe Rogan butt plug of the FBI. | ||
| Yeah, it's tough. | ||
| So Alex is like, hey, man, whatever the truth is, That's what I'm going to tell you about. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I'm going to go wherever the facts lead, and I'm going to report whatever the facts are. | ||
| Roger Stone just went exclusively on after I talked to him in the last two minutes of my show with Chase Geiser was filling in. | ||
| I've been down here at Federal Report today. | ||
| We're trying to shut down M4's Democratic Party. | ||
| I'll be on the road soon, next 30 minutes, and I'll be doing live feeds there. | ||
| I'll pop on with Owen. | ||
| I would imagine Roger's going to be coming on with Owen as well. | ||
| Owen's show is about to start at M4Wars.com. | ||
| It's a lot of show and a real-off show. | ||
| It's here on X. Again. | ||
| Again, this war with Trump and Musk has been heating up the last few weeks. | ||
| Musk, whenever he focuses on something, totally is dedicated. | ||
| And he's obviously been very upset about a lot of things, and I know he's learned a lot of things, and he's had access to a lot of things that I don't have access to. | ||
| But regardless of what the truth is here, this is the equivalent. | ||
| In the information sphere of a full-out nuclear war. | ||
| Alex, you're missing your bus. | ||
| Roger and Alex both, they don't come on Blue War Room. | ||
| I think they're trying to figure this shit out in the background. | ||
| But I've been thinking about this idea of the information war and how it tracks on to the ideas in real war. | ||
| And I think that this is a good analogy comparing this to nuclear war. | ||
| In essence, Musk and Trump hold pieces of information about each other that, if widely publicized, would destroy their reputations with the base. | ||
| The media space that they've cultivated is a disgusting echo chamber where none of the audience will believe accusations coming from non-cult-aligned sources. | ||
| So as long as these pieces of information aren't being validated and discussed by the cult media, they aren't a problem. | ||
| In this case, it's widely known that Trump and Epstein were best friends and that Musk lives or dies by taxpayer money through government subsidies and contracts. | ||
| At any point, these guys had the ability to publicize these facts which would force the cult media to take them seriously, thereby breaking the shared reality they normally operate in. | ||
| These two men are at a nuclear standoff in the information war. | ||
| It's pretty much mutually assured destruction if one of them goes after the other because they not only have have the nukes, which is this information, but they also have the codes to use them, which is the relevance and credibility within the cult media for these things to be taken seriously and not just be like, oh, dumb democratic attack or whatever. | ||
| So I do actually think it is an apt analogy that these are nuclear powers that have decided to go after each other as opposed to staying in this uneasy, mutually assured destruction truce. | ||
| Yeah, there's a schism, that's for sure. | ||
| It's not coming back. | ||
| No, and I think that everyone can tell that in this media space. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, whether or not they want to get hysterical about it, everyone can tell, like, man, shit. | ||
| Someone hit the button. | ||
| And, uh, well, we're gonna have to adjust. | ||
| Okay, so here's what I'm thinking, alright? | ||
| Now, there's two popes. | ||
| If you're just a regular-ass Catholic, just trying to get through your day, surfing, just being a surf on some rich-ass dude's land, right? | ||
| And somebody's coming at you like, hey, what do you think about the two popes situation? | ||
| What do you say? | ||
| Right? | ||
| What do you know? | ||
| Like, this pope's good, this pope's bad? | ||
| Maybe because there's two of them, they're both bad, is kind of the point. | ||
| If you have two, you've already fucked up. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, like, shouldn't people just be going like, hey, listen, one of them will live through this. | ||
| Let's wait and see which one. | ||
| Yeah, and there's a large part of me that kind of feels that way. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That is like, well... | ||
| No one's going to save these people from themselves. | ||
| So let's see what happens. | ||
| I hope that the least amount of people get hurt in this battle of popes. | ||
| I hope that it doesn't have as much ripple-down damage to the people as it could have. | ||
| But yeah, there's nothing you can do. | ||
| These guys are just going to rub their antlers on each other. | ||
| Poke. | ||
| Let me throw this out at you. | ||
| What if we get rid of all known forms of government and replace it with whatever it is that immortals use in Highlander? | ||
| Head chopping off. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| These two guys, one of them has to have their head chopped off and then it gains the other one's strength, obviously. | ||
| But then we've also got no holy ground fighting. | ||
| We've also got all of these different rules that could be better explored. | ||
| By us, if we allow Trump and Elon Musk to fight each other with swords. | ||
| I think that Elon is the kind of guy who would probably say that he studied the blade. | ||
| Then let's go! | ||
| Thank you for bringing that up, Elon. | ||
| I have got a sword right here. | ||
| Let's do this. | ||
| So, Musk and Trump, they're good guys. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| It just sucks they're coming at each other. | ||
| They're just good guys. | ||
| Musk is the reason overall that Trump went over the top in his buying of X. Musk has devastated the globalist system and their narratives of transgenderism and the depopulation operation. | ||
| So overall, you don't do real damage to the globalists and be a bad guy. | ||
| It's very paradoxical because Trump's doing real damage as well. | ||
| But then, are they blackmailing him or somebody else because suddenly they bring in this AI dictatorship? | ||
| It's not just liability protection from the states and the citizens for 10 years. | ||
| It's an AI takeover plan. | ||
| And so there's just a big battle over who's going to control it. | ||
| It's really one big AI, just for those that don't know. | ||
| At least the West system is. | ||
| And that's the big secret I don't want you to know. | ||
| It all operates off the same interface with billions of humans. | ||
| And it was programmed from the beginning, the way it was set up, that as these things progressed, this ghost machine Globalist, but in God bless you brother That it basically can't be turned off the way it was set up so unless we just Go back to the Stone Age. | ||
| I mean, this is such an incredible moment. | ||
| This is the quickening. | ||
| Things are just going to get more insane from here. | ||
| And so, pray for peace, pray for justice, and pray that we don't have a nuclear war, and pray we don't have an economic collapse, because this news just upped the chances of that massively, and that's why I've been so concerned. | ||
| And trying to work with Trump, who's been working to really stop this. | ||
| When you come to the end of a cycle like this, there's always a big war. | ||
| Every 89 years or so. | ||
| 87, 88 years. | ||
| And now... | ||
| And the singularity, all of this approaching. | ||
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All of it. | |
| We want to believe in Trump. | ||
| We want to believe in Musk. | ||
| Max Planck. | ||
| We'll find out more as this unfolds. | ||
| But they better start releasing that stuff right now. | ||
| We better get statements out of Trump. | ||
| We need to see more from Musk. | ||
| And I'll continue to track this as it unfolds. | ||
| But please pray for peace and awakening and good God's spirit in the world. | ||
| And just know this is a very, very dangerous time for the left. | ||
| that's going to cheerlead this and all this stuff, you have no idea if Trump fails how bad stuff's going to be. | ||
| But God wants maybe getting ready to totally judge us. | ||
| But just remember that nuclear war, total financial collapse, both, that this is what so many people ask for. | ||
| I just try to be steadfast, tell the truth, and just be as accurate as I can. | ||
| Mission not accomplished. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| I've always liked that as a last resort for any kind of, why do you support this horrible thing? | ||
| Maybe it's time for God to judge us all. | ||
| Maybe we're all dead tomorrow. | ||
| How about that? | ||
| I won't worry too much about the horrible things I'm doing right now. | ||
| Hey, laugh while you can. | ||
| If our guy goes out of power, if he fails with his leadership, then we're probably going to kill you all and pretend that it's God's judgment. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Alright. | ||
| Whoops. | ||
| That's fun. | ||
| I guess maybe someone's being blackmailed. | ||
| That probably is a much more serious thing than Alex is treating it as. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Seems to be just sort of tossing it around as like a, oh, that could explain some storylines. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is bullshit. | ||
| I was, there's this book out now about... | ||
| And it was talking about, I didn't finish it, because as it was talking about the creation of OpenAI and all this stuff, it was attributing all of these things to Musk and Altman that were like, oh, they're lofty goals for an open source thing that was all for the good of humanity. | ||
| And it was like, no, they were lying. | ||
| That was con shit. | ||
| So until you start with, these con men were conning people out of money to make this thing, then shut up, you know? | ||
| Yeah, it's difficult to get to the next step past that. | ||
| What are we doing? | ||
| Yeah, if you don't agree with that foundation of... | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Like, there's an unfortunate overlap between people who see what's possible and people who are lying to you about what's possible in order to fuck with you. | ||
| And I think that if you treat the prior like the latter, you know, or vice versa, you get into trouble. | ||
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| You learn how to fake honesty, you got it made. | ||
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Yep. | |
| And so this thing with Alex, too, what he's saying is, like, there's this, the internet is a big AI system that's meant to control everything. | ||
| There is just one thing, and they've created it, and it's to the point where you can't turn it off without going back to the Stone Age. | ||
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| So I would suggest that if Alex sincerely believes that, then he needs to go back to his magazine. | ||
| And he needs to go back to like hard media. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We need to have an agrarian type revolution or something getting off digital shit. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| We need to be back at the VHS tapes. | ||
| We need to be back at... | ||
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| Because if we have the internet... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Then the only thing you can do is try to disentangle. | ||
| You can't turn it off, you can't blow it up, or whatever, without destroying the world right now. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But that doesn't mean that will be the case in ten years. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| If we take actions to disentangle now, maybe we'll get to a point where we can turn it off without it... | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I don't feel like that is part of his messaging. | ||
| It can't be. | ||
| No. | ||
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| That can't be his message. | ||
| His messaging has to be We're going back to the Stone Age unless you let us control the ring. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| But I mean, not even that. | ||
| Like, obviously for him, politically, but in the ideal form of Alex, where Alex, the iconoclastic thing that we all imagined from the past, was faced with the either it controls everything or we go back to the Stone Age. | ||
| He's the one who is supposed to have the courage to say, then we go back to the Stone Age. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Gods be damned. | ||
| Yes, the fake version of him is that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The real version of him is, guys, we want white Christian dudes to have all of this power, and if we don't, then we'll bring you back to the Stone Age. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| That's essentially the truth versus illusion. | ||
| The loser version, yeah. | ||
| So Owen, speaking of losers, starts the show. | ||
| Wow, Owen, still around, huh? | ||
| Yep, doing the war room. | ||
| Still going. | ||
| Ladies and gentlemen, it is Thursday, June 5th, 2025. | ||
| This is the InfoWars War Room, the fastest three hours on the Internet. | ||
| Going to be moving at light speed today in what is an absolutely epic day. | ||
| I would say maybe one of the biggest, most important days in American political history. | ||
| That we've seen. | ||
| Pick up the pace, jackass! | ||
| Yeah, he's supposed to be at light speed. | ||
| This is the fastest show on the internet? | ||
| Come on. | ||
| This is a very slow 30 seconds. | ||
| Pick it up. | ||
| So, the world is never going to be the same. | ||
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| This is the most important day in... | ||
| And it probably is on some level for them. | ||
| We got stacks of geopolitical news. | ||
| We got stacks of other political developments happening in D.C. and around the country. | ||
| And there are lines being drawn today that some will cross and there'll never be any going back. | ||
| Things that will happen in the next 24 to 48 hours will bring in permanent change to American politics, Republican politics, MAGA politics, and how the Trump administration is viewed from here on out. | ||
| And I was even talking to some other friends in the media and investigative journalists about some other stories and some other things they were working on, and they were just asking my advice, like, hey, should I do this? | ||
| Should my angle be here? | ||
| This is earlier this week, and I said, no, I wouldn't do that. | ||
| I said, I wouldn't take that angle. | ||
| And then I talked to him again today, and I said, everything has changed now. | ||
| Now, green light, yep. | ||
| Now take the angle. | ||
| Now to the story. | ||
| It's a whole different world today. | ||
| I think that Owen's a keen enough observer to recognize that calmer heads don't prevail in his information space. | ||
| And in fact, they may not exist. | ||
| Quick explosive reactions are incentivized by everyone chasing Twitter clout, so this fight between Musk and Trump is going to lead a lot of people to do things they can't undo. | ||
| And that's not even considering that Trump and Musk are both impulsive, ego-driven children who could do things they can't undo. | ||
| Leaving that aside, it's fascinating how bluntly Owen is speaking here. | ||
| I'm not sure he realizes or not, but he's saying that he advised someone else not to follow some investigative story, but now, after this Twitter fight, he says the rules have changed. | ||
| What were the rules before that have now changed? | ||
| Was it widely understood, like as an editorial position, that you weren't supposed to report on things that make Elon look bad? | ||
| Was it pretending not to know about Trump's closeness with Epstein? | ||
| He doesn't specify what it is. | ||
| But there was a line of sincere inquiry that he knew was supposed to be discouraged before June 5th, but now they're in a smoke-em-if-you-got-em situation. | ||
| That's literally what he's expressing. | ||
| A lot of the time, I think that the hosts at Infowars don't fully realize what they're saying when they try to get dramatic. | ||
| And I think this is a perfect example of that. | ||
| Whether or not this conversation happened that Owen's describing, what he's describing is spin. | ||
| It's cover-up. | ||
| Institutionalized lying. | ||
| If I'm a billionaire, here's what I'd do, alright? | ||
| Because I'm not always a billionaire. | ||
| Now these guys, they were born rich, so they don't have any concept of the real world whatsoever to begin with. | ||
| But since I'm not a billionaire, and then I become a billionaire, the first thing I do is I hire five or six people. | ||
| And their only job is to kidnap me and beat the shit out of me once I start going rogue. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Sort of a Bullworth situation. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Just like I have paid you in advance, no conversation, no like, here's my reason. | ||
| Nope, none of that. | ||
| If I start going out of pocket, you kidnap me, beat the shit out of me, I do a video a week later, oh, I did a retreat, and then I move back on with my life, you know? | ||
| What do you mean by out of pocket? | ||
| Like this Musk Trump shit. | ||
| Both of you are insane. | ||
| You can steal so much. | ||
| So much more money. | ||
| This grift can go on forever. | ||
| Everybody's happy, really, in a weird way with you guys fucking them over. | ||
| So just put your fucking head in a good spot and then move on. | ||
| I don't know if I fully agree with you, but where I will find agreement with you is that the biggest threats That exist for them are themselves. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| They are manifesting the thing that is one of the only things that is going to disrupt their money train. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And if someone could kidnap them. | ||
| That's what I'm saying! | ||
| And stop them from hurting themselves. | ||
| That's what you have to do. | ||
| You have to outsmart how insane you're going to go because you can't have a billion dollars without going insane. | ||
| So you have to be smart enough to outsmart how insane you're going to be. | ||
| Now, I would suggest that... | ||
| Maybe a nice little private screening room. | ||
| You know, like cushioned chairs. | ||
| That's nicer than I imagined, but you're nicer to me than I am to myself in this situation. | ||
| Maybe popcorn, even. | ||
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| Hot dog. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Show some Bond movies. | ||
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| And then ask... | ||
| Are these your plans? | ||
| Is this aspirational? | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| And then hit you if you say yes. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| Until you are trained to understand that these are not aspirational plans. | ||
| A slightly more comfortable clockwork oranging kind of situation. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You don't have to keep the eyeballs open. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| But you do have to get a hit every now and then. | ||
| Yeah, you get a snack. | ||
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| One refill on the Coke. | ||
| That's nice! | ||
| That's nice! | ||
| Yeah, one refill. | ||
| Hey, listen, if you need more than one refill, honestly, you're going to rot your teeth. | ||
| Unless it's a long movie, you know, maybe you need to. | ||
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| One refill's enough for anybody. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| So, Owen, we heard Chase in the immediate of these tweets coming out. | ||
| Blame Mike Johnson. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And Owen, I think, is going down a pretty similar line. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Before I get into all of Let me kind of just build a framework here. | ||
| Today, I think, was probably the worst day for President Trump. | ||
| Maybe in any time he's been president. | ||
| And personally, it is my opinion that anybody that can't be honest about this is either compromised by access or is just biased and can't be honest. | ||
| Because to deny Trump's The mistake that he's made this week, whether you agree with what Elon Musk is doing or not, the mistake Trump made this week was he rode with Mike Johnson and John Thim. | ||
| He rode with the swamp. | ||
| He's riding with the swamp. | ||
| That asshole Mike Johnson. | ||
| Riding dirty with Mike Johnson. | ||
| So Owen's continuing on the tracks that Chase started to lay down, but you might notice from this clip how immediately Owen's criticism is just a little bit deeper. | ||
| Chase's instinctual reaction was to say this is all Mike Johnson's fault, and then he panicked about Johnson stealing his wife, and it wasn't really much more than just him being reactive. | ||
| Maybe it's a function of having a little more time to think it over, but Owen's take is just a little better. | ||
| All of this is Mike Johnson's fault, but on a more important level, this is Trump's fault for siding with Mike Johnson and the swamp. | ||
| Chase's angle was good in the moment, but it also treated Trump like an idiot child who had no agency. | ||
| Owen, his take corrects that and accepts the reality that Trump has a choice. | ||
| Trump made a choice, and it's the one that Infowars should be against. | ||
| You can still like Trump, but if you pretend that his choices weren't the drivers that got everyone into the position where the events of June 5th can happen, then you're a liar who's covering for Trump. | ||
| Now, to be clear, Owen has absolutely been a liar covering for Trump on a near constant basis, but the way he's coming at this narrative makes it look like more of an adult than Chase. | ||
| It's probably not sincere, but he sounds like someone who's having to draw a hard line, which creates the appearance of principle, and I don't know, maybe it's a function of a little bit more experience. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because Owen's been doing this a little bit longer. | ||
| He went to jail. | ||
| Yeah, he's got the cred. | ||
| That is an interesting way to view it, because what he should do is kind of go a little bit further and be like... | ||
| Like, what are you doing doing bills and shit? | ||
| Go crazy. | ||
| We're not doing business as usual. | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| You're getting a big, beautiful... | ||
| What the fuck are you talking about? | ||
| Yeah, he's talking about how you have to make all these concessions and all this shit. | ||
| That's swamp politics. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| And there is more credibility within this space to that position. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I think that the difference between Chase and Owen largely is that, like, Chase has got a pretty decent one step. | ||
| And then a couple... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think Owen's got a good three or four steps here before it falls into real serious trouble. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that does make a difference. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I get it. | ||
| I get it, though. | ||
| We elected you to Caesar. | ||
| We elected you to be a dictator. | ||
| So, fucking arrest 60, 70 Democratic congressmen, put some Republicans in there, and then shut the fuck up about a beautiful bill. | ||
| Just say you want to do something and then make them write the shit that makes it happen. | ||
| During Chase's time on the mic, he played a clip of Steve Bannon, and his advice was, go full Abraham Lincoln, and if that doesn't work, go full Andrew Jackson. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| But yes! | ||
| That's what they want. | ||
| That's what you were hired for. | ||
| Yeah, that's your job. | ||
| So the issue, and I think that this is such a better articulation of the problem that they should have, is that you sided with the fucking enemy. | ||
| You sided with the globalists. | ||
| Now, if you want to forgive Trump, the only bigger mistake you could argue that Trump has made in his first administration was trusting Anthony Fauci. | ||
| and riding with the swamp on COVID. | ||
| That was his biggest Again, saving several million lives. | ||
| Of all time. | ||
| His biggest political scar, black eye, blemish, was riding with Fauci and all of that garbage during COVID. | ||
| And it was in that moment he chose the swamp over the American people. | ||
| Now, we can forgive him for that. | ||
| We can make excuses for that. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| That's just the truth. | ||
| Well, now Trump has made the same mistake for the second time. | ||
| And he's rode with the swamp. | ||
| Really, specifically for this, you could say he chose Mike Johnson over Elon Musk, which is just a terrible personnel decision. | ||
| Or you could say, and whether the Trump administration realizes this or not, I don't know, but you could say Trump rode with the swamp instead of the American people. | ||
| And that's what's happened. | ||
| This road with thing is clearly something that he's pretty – Yeah. | ||
| And I would love a Trump and Swamp Thing photoshopped onto the cover of B.B. King and Eric Clapton riding with the king. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| Yeah, riding with the swamp. | ||
| That's good. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| Swamp Thing. | ||
| I mean, let me say this. | ||
| Which I appreciate from their point of view why this doesn't become an obvious thing that they should have planned for. | ||
| But if I'm kind of an idiot, right, and I'm in Washington, D.C., and I've got all of these very clever, very charismatic, very experienced at manipulating the system, very entrenched within a certain circumference of power, all of these people— And then I've got Elon Musk, on the other hand, who's a piece of shit. | ||
| He's a real asshole and is going to call me an idiot whenever I'm being an idiot. | ||
| I'm going to choose the guys who are nice to me. | ||
| I'm going to do it 100% of the time. | ||
| Like, it's very simple. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Take the tyranny that has a nice face. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Trump is going to choose them every time because they're not dicks to him. | ||
| They're like, oh, you look so pretty today. | ||
| That's all you need to do. | ||
| So, Owen talks about the BBB, the big beautiful bill, and how Marjorie Taylor Greene, MTG, a lot of initials, she has come out and said, hey y 'all, didn't read it. | ||
| I voted on it and I didn't read it. | ||
| No! | ||
| This was my bad. | ||
| Oh my god! | ||
| I can't believe it! | ||
| And Owen applauds her for her honesty. | ||
| Good. | ||
| Now here's what happened in the House. | ||
| It turns out, Speaker Johnson yet again, broke the 72-hour rule, put an 1,100-page bill on Republicans' desks for them to vote for without even 24 hours to look it over or read it. | ||
| And I give Marjorie Taylor Greene tons of credit. | ||
| And she did some media rounds today and was responding to people on X critical of her, and she said, you know what? | ||
| I apologize. | ||
| I made a mistake. | ||
| I voted for this bill before I could read the whole thing, but I wanted to support President Trump. | ||
| We had a couple hours to read 1,100 pages. | ||
| I trusted the president that it was going to be a great bill, so I voted for it, and she apologized, and she said she got it wrong. | ||
| And now other members of the House are coming out, and they're saying the same thing. | ||
| Listen, we applaud this because this is loyalty. | ||
| You know, behind the apology is, I'm sorry, I'm too loyal. | ||
| I didn't read the bill, which is something that is supposed to be a problem. | ||
| But the only reason I did that is because I trusted and was loyal of dear leader. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So this is good. | ||
| This is actually like she's bending the knee while making this apology, which is great. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I guess you could be, I would suggest you be a little bit more honest, and you just go like, it is by no means is it my job to read this trash. | ||
| I am here to talk shit. | ||
| I would like to say that I never read these bills. | ||
| I've never read a single fucking bill. | ||
| Why would I? | ||
| This was just one time where it's backfired. | ||
| Yeah, what are you guys talking, do you see, do I look like the bill reading type? | ||
| I've never read a regular restaurant bill. | ||
| I just yell. | ||
| I just yell. | ||
| Just complain and, uh, and, That's it! | ||
| That's what I do! | ||
| So, there's a real danger here. | ||
| And that is that as Trump is riding with the swamp, he could go down with the swamp. | ||
| He could. | ||
| Yeah, this is going to be a real serious possibility. | ||
| He rode with Speaker Johnson. | ||
| He rode with the swamp. | ||
| And now he's facing a situation where, I mean, folks, I'm just going to tell it like it is. | ||
| Unless he gets a life jacket, unless somebody throws him some life support, he's going to go down with Johnson. | ||
| I don't know why he made that decision. | ||
| Doesn't make any sense to me. | ||
| But that's where he's at. | ||
| And again, this is coming from a man. | ||
| Who has probably suffered more than anyone else. | ||
| Very few people could say they've suffered as much as I have for supporting President Trump. | ||
| And I have no regrets for that. | ||
| None. | ||
| I have no regrets for going to prison for supporting Donald Trump. | ||
| No regrets for the censorship for supporting Donald Trump. | ||
| The lawsuits, the attacks, all of it. | ||
| No regrets. | ||
| Wouldn't change a thing. | ||
| But I'm not loyal to President Trump. | ||
| I'm loyal to the truth. | ||
| And I'm loyal... | ||
| And that's where lines are being drawn today. | ||
| Now, before I get into the weeds of this, I guess it's worth mentioning the conspiracy theories that are out there today. | ||
| Some people think Musk is doing this on behalf of China. | ||
| The markets are crashing today, but I don't believe Musk is... | ||
| I think Musk is just a legitimate dealer. | ||
| Maybe he has his own agenda. | ||
| But I think Musk is doing what he believes. | ||
| I think Musk is independently doing what he believes and he's been consistent on this whole thing for years. | ||
| He's been consistent on all of this for years. | ||
| Now there's also the conspiracy theory that this whole thing is a ruse to blow up the corrupt Republican Party. | ||
| And to put the onus on Trump to exonerate himself in the Epstein list by forcing his hand to release the entire thing. | ||
| I'm not so sure I believe that either. | ||
| Maybe that's more believable than the China angle. | ||
| Why is it a good use of your time to rate potential conspiracy theories about this story? | ||
| I mean, because I guess BuzzFeed's busy right now? | ||
| I guess. | ||
| I mean, he's indicated that neither of these things he really believes. | ||
| I guess when your audience... | ||
| When the audience is built on connecting all these unconnected dots, you need to be sure to sometimes be like, hey, this dot connection is getting popular. | ||
| I want to say, no, it's not China. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Musk is not working for China. | ||
| Let's get ahead of this thing. | ||
| But I do appreciate being involved. | ||
| I like to be here. | ||
| I like to be taking feedback from people. | ||
| China? | ||
| Not a problem. | ||
| I like to Owen saying, like, I'm loyal to the truth. | ||
| You know, that kind of... | ||
| It makes me think of... | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And everyone, you know, they hate him because he's a piece of shit. | ||
| He's a piece of shit. | ||
| And he's very easy to hate. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he's cocky and full of himself. | ||
| He's a hateable piece of shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| His theme song is called Humble, and it's about how he's so humble. | ||
| I stay humble. | ||
| Was it about how, did he make, did he write his own theme song? | ||
| Someone wrote it for him, I'm sure. | ||
| But it's about him. | ||
| It's not Kendrick's Humble. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's meant to antagonize. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I was like, I've got all this success, I stay humble. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Like a very large man nicknaming himself Tiny. | ||
| Yes, exactly. | ||
| And that's how I feel about Owen saying that he's loyal to the truth. | ||
| It feels like Logan Paul's humble intro. | ||
| Yeah, there is a certain amount of like, Yeah, and here comes some more like where lightning bolts should be. | ||
| Now there's a lot of back and forth between Trump and Musk where, and I think this is the worst part of it, because you can have political debate and debate consistency. | ||
| Or reasoning and logic behind passing bills or changing your stance on things. | ||
| But this has gone beyond that now. | ||
| This has gone beyond that now. | ||
| And I think we've reached a point, it's undeniable, where what the Republicans and the Trump administration are doing now, which, again, they don't do this. | ||
| This is way... | ||
| We are now engaging in deception and lying and political propaganda in order to try to get support for this thing. | ||
| And it's ugly. | ||
| It's ugly. | ||
| So if you want to just debate the merits of the bill, Do you? | ||
| Or why it needs to be passed. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But now they're sending political propaganda at us? | ||
| Now they're lying to us? | ||
| I've never seen anything like it. | ||
| Can you imagine? | ||
| Lightning bolt. | ||
| Right? | ||
| There should be – I don't even think we need to – I'm not even talking about a god of gods. | ||
| I'm talking about a trickster god somewhere should be like, oh, well, this guy needs to be fucked with. | ||
| Like, clearly I need to throw fucking balloons at him and he appears out of nowhere. | ||
| Like, this is what needs to happen. | ||
| This is crazy. | ||
| It's like anyone in their media space trying to pretend to be offended. | ||
| By calling Trump a pedophile. | ||
| You guys do this with everybody. | ||
| You call everybody. | ||
| I can't believe you would stoop so low. | ||
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The discourse is toxic. | |
| It is toxic in this place. | ||
| I can't even be here. | ||
| I can't be here. | ||
| I can't be around people like you. | ||
| I can't believe that they're resorting to lies and propaganda. | ||
| They're lying and using propaganda! | ||
| Host of InfoWars. | ||
| InfoWars. | ||
| So, Musk, one of the issues that Owen is pretty unfortunately aware of, because he's not supposed to be, is that Musk already kind of controls the government. | ||
| Now, I don't know what's going to happen, because a lot of this stuff that the Trump administration wants to do, Musk is already fully in control of. | ||
| And this is before Trump even won the second term. | ||
| When it comes to SpaceX and Starlink and a lot of these other things that military infrastructure and NASA infrastructure is relying on Musk and his companies. | ||
| So now they're saying they're going to cancel his contracts where, okay, then guess what? | ||
| You don't even have a big, beautiful bill anymore. | ||
| You don't have the Golden Dome. | ||
| You don't have a lot of Space Force technology, military technology. | ||
| So now, what do you even have? | ||
| This is Fauci 2.0. | ||
| This is Trump's second biggest mistake he's made as president. | ||
| First was riding with the swamp and Fauci. | ||
| And now it's riding with the swamp and this bill. | ||
| And then the White House engaging in deception and political propaganda in an effort to get us to support it. | ||
| And all I'm saying is, you don't... | ||
| All you gotta do is what we voted for. | ||
| You're the one saying that the auto pen was treason. | ||
| You're the one saying that the open border was treason. | ||
| You're the one saying they stole an election. | ||
| You're the one saying they spied on you and committed treason. | ||
| So why are there no arrests? | ||
| If you know that, and if we know that... | ||
| And if the story is, there really is no president, we're really not in control of anything, or we're not going to deliver on any of this stuff, then it's over. | ||
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| Then it's dead. | ||
| Get there. | ||
| What are we doing here? | ||
| Get there. | ||
| We're not playing this game a second go around. | ||
| So if you're Owen and you say this stuff out loud, it's time to recognize that you don't care about the United States, the Constitution, democracy, or liberty. | ||
| You've been part of a media apparatus that's consolidated public power in the hands of an unaccountable billionaire who can't suffer any consequences from our government because his technology is too important to space and military infrastructure. | ||
| You've created a king. | ||
| And not only that, you've created two of them who are now at odds with each other. | ||
| The only sensible position for anyone who cares about the rights of the individual is that you've got to be pushing for a complete breakup and probably nationalization of Musk's companies, as well as a number of other effective monopolies that are consolidating wealth and power in unsustainable ways. | ||
| It's not just Musk, but boy is he clearly a crisis. | ||
| If Musk's companies are critical to the public's well-being and interests, then they can't be allowed to be controlled by his private interest. | ||
| The second thing that Owen should realize as he's saying this stuff is that maybe all that shit like the auto pen wasn't as serious as Trump pretended it was. | ||
| Maybe calling all of those things treason was just a ploy to whip propaganda media outlets like InfoWars into hysteria, and this frustration that Owen is feeling, it's just the comedown where he has to wrestle with how he was used on these things. | ||
| And you can say that they're not going to do this a second time, but yes, they are. | ||
| And they're going to do it a third time, and a fourth, and a fifth. | ||
| There's no end to how many times they'll do this, because it's the only reason they exist. | ||
| InfoWars exist to do it a second time, and pretend to be mad about it, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| So nothing's going to change. | ||
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You know, that's why you can learn... | |
| All right? | ||
| Now, say what you want. | ||
| She, horrible dictator, consolidated power in the hands of himself for maybe nefarious purposes, any number of things. | ||
| But billionaire gets out of hand, billionaire disappears. | ||
| That's some shit that you can take to the bank with you, all right? | ||
| Well, you know, without saying you should learn from this, I think that it's a teachable moment where you can't have both. | ||
| No. | ||
| Like, you can't have both kings. | ||
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Nope. | |
| Trump is trying to consolidate the power for himself. | ||
| And you can't have another weirdo, unaccountable billionaire in the mix. | ||
| It's just a luxury to be able to make a billionaire disappear. | ||
| And that's something that they haven't really got the grasp on yet, you know? | ||
| I think they will. | ||
| I doubt it. | ||
| The billionaires have too much power. | ||
| The billionaires here are like the she there. | ||
| This situation might resolve before it comes to a disappearing stage. | ||
| But also, Steve Bannon is straight up calling for him to be deported. | ||
| Hell yeah! | ||
| God, that'd be great. | ||
| I would love that so much. | ||
| So the issue that Owen has is that a lot of the criticism about the BBB, Big Beautiful Bill, a lot of that is valid on Musk's part. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And him using Trump's old words against him and all this, it's good. | ||
| It's for the betterment of cutting Medicare and, you know, public spending. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And all this stuff. | ||
| But it wasn't cool that he did the Epstein thing. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's too far. | ||
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And then Trump... | |
| Because it's getting messy and personal. | ||
| And Infowars doesn't like that. | ||
| My God! | ||
| Yeah, no, no. | ||
| Fine, fine. | ||
| But the issue then is that Trump threw gasoline on the fire. | ||
| He could have put this fire out, but instead, gasoline. | ||
| If anybody could have put this fire out, it could have been Trump. | ||
| But instead, he decided to throw gas on it. | ||
| Says Elon was wearing thin. | ||
| I asked him to leave. | ||
| I took away his EV mandate that forced everyone to buy electric cars that nobody else wanted. | ||
| That he knew for months ago I was going to do, and he just went crazy. | ||
| Then he says, the easiest way to save money on our budget, billions and billions of dollars, is to terminate Elon's governmental subsidies and contracts. | ||
| I was always surprised that Biden didn't do it. | ||
| Well, this is going to be interesting. | ||
| If this battle between Trump and Musk gets to that level, Now, this gets really interesting. | ||
| Because obviously, Musk's companies are receiving all kinds of government contracts. | ||
| I mean, Musk's companies probably have so much involvement in U.S. government contracts, I don't even know if you can cancel them all. | ||
| I don't even know if it's feasible. | ||
| But okay, Trump does it, then what? | ||
| Owen's not supposed to know stuff like this. | ||
| They aren't supposed to be cool with the idea that Elon's companies have such extensive and valuable government contracts that the president can't cancel them without causing massive damage to the country. | ||
| Elon is essentially in the too big to fail kind of situation, and we've already seen what Infowars thinks about that kind of shit. | ||
| This fight between Trump and Musk is forcing their hand, making people like Owen admit all kinds of stuff that they pretend not to know, because they're required to fight against these things if they're aware of them. | ||
| You can't be a host on a network that's above partisan politics and is all about rooting out corruption and support a billionaire owning multiple companies that have so many important government contracts that he can't be reined in at all by our elected officials. | ||
| It just doesn't work. | ||
| Oil and water, baby. | ||
| I ain't mixing. | ||
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Nope. | |
| This fight is shining a light on how stupid the game they play is and how easy it is to get away with it when everyone's keeping up the kayfabe. | ||
| But when someone exposes the business, shit falls apart rapidly. | ||
| And Owen has to talk about how uncancellable Musk's government contracts are. | ||
| And Chase has to reveal that he didn't know about those Epstein tapes. | ||
| Like, it's just like they're scrambling because some wrestler has broken character. | ||
| It's just so weird. | ||
| It's so weird to me because to me this seems very obvious. | ||
| You just go like, Like, yeah, okay, we don't have to cancel any contracts. | ||
| You committed a crime, so now we take all your shit. | ||
| You can do that. | ||
| Like, if you're the president, you can do that, like, legally, too. | ||
| So, like, just do that! | ||
| Yeah, there would be a process somewhere to seize for national security and national interest, SpaceX. | ||
| You can't scale up to a billionaire like Musk without having committed a raft of crimes somewhere. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I think one of the clues... | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I'm no Poirot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm no Benoit Blanc. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| But I did seem to notice that Musk was very unsubtly Talking before the election about how fucked he was if Trump lost. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Seems like a good place to start. | ||
| To me, that's a clue about some possible illegal shit that he does that he doesn't want covered. | ||
| Yep, yep, yep. | ||
| Yeah, I think that he should probably have... | ||
| In the national interest, if Owen is even willing to say, like... | ||
| It's too big a part of the government. | ||
| Then now it's part of the government. | ||
| Now it's public. | ||
| I mean, yeah. | ||
| But if you're Owen, if you're these people, and you hear the government depends on this so much that it cannot be taken, then you go, well, then we have to take it. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Like, we can't allow it to not be ours. | ||
| It is almost... | ||
| It is almost exactly the reason you can't allow things to get to this point. | ||
| It is simply impossible for us not to say, this must be ours now. | ||
| So, Owen, he's complaining about some foreigner. | ||
| Who's trying to say that they should impeach Trump. | ||
| And I'm like, wait, is he talking about Elon Musk? | ||
| Yeah, that seems like Elon Musk. | ||
| He's not. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| So now you're going to have even more conspiracy theories flying around dealing with this situation. | ||
| And the solution is obvious. | ||
| The solution is obvious. | ||
| And look, I'm not going to sit here and get lectured. | ||
| By a foreigner about the President of the United States, okay? | ||
| Would you like to know more about your civics? | ||
| Ian Miles Chong gets plenty of criticism. | ||
| I have no problem with him, whatever. | ||
| But some Malaysian says Trump needs to be impeached and Musk says, oh yeah, let's impeach him. | ||
| A Malaysian said it. | ||
| I'm going to pass on that. | ||
| Thanks very much. | ||
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I'll go ahead and pass on that, Elon. | |
| Impeaching Trump is not the answer. | ||
| Offering the common sense solution is the answer. | ||
| And the whole process could start immediately. | ||
| The whole process could start right now. | ||
| Yeah, he's mad at Ian Miles Chong. | ||
| Oh! | ||
| He's an idiot on Twitter. | ||
| I gotcha. | ||
| I gotcha. | ||
| I was like, is that a stereotype that the Malay people are always impeached? | ||
| Left and right. | ||
| Very interested in impeachment. | ||
| The Malay can't help themselves. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What? | ||
| See, I thought that was, boy, you're really sticking it to the foreigner part. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Am I going to listen to a Malaysian tell me about impeachment? | ||
| Right? | ||
| That seems anachronistic racism. | ||
| That doesn't even make sense to me. | ||
| It is, and it's also like this very strange thing that I can't imagine a lot of people who are on the other side from Owen give a single shit what Ian Myles Chong, or Ian Chong does. | ||
| Yeah, no, who cares? | ||
| No, I think that he is somebody who is only relevant in your space. | ||
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Yep. | |
| You deal with him. | ||
| Stop whining. | ||
| And, and... | ||
| I don't think many people have strong Malay feelings one way or the other. | ||
| Probably not. | ||
| Right? | ||
| So the left, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They've fallen right into the trap. | ||
| Oh, shit! | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| Fucked, I'm sorry. | ||
| Uh. | ||
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*cough* | |
| The left, this is just too good. | ||
| The propaganda agents, the digital influencers of the left and the Democrat Party are now all posting that they're now all demanding that the Epstein files get released because they now believe Trump is on the list. | ||
| Brilliant. | ||
| Now, again, if that's not... | ||
| Now the left is interested in the Epstein files because Musk suggests Trump is on it. | ||
| Beautiful. | ||
| Chef's kiss. | ||
| So this is the problem with people like Owen and Alex and all of them in this space turning this into a partisan kind of issue. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because it pretends that people on the left weren't already in favor of releasing the Epstein stuff. | ||
| Pretending that they only want that because the possibility of getting a dunk on Trump or something is really silly. | ||
| And it comes off very stupid. | ||
| The idea that they have complete ownership of this space is a tragic thing in some ways, but it's a reflection of the ways that they've turned crimes around trafficking, crimes around these sorts of issues into a circus. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And a lot of people don't want to deal with these issues seriously, or they don't want to be seen as feeding into a QAnon hysteria. | ||
| And that makes the appearance for someone like Owen easier to pass off. | ||
| That like, oh, they only care when it's able to be weaponized against Trump. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| When the reality is they, Owen, only cares when it can be weaponized for his purposes. | ||
| He's not a sincere actor in this. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And I would bet that... | ||
| Or somebody, you know, it's some Twitter person. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| That isn't reflective of some real left or anything. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| It's just pathetic. | ||
| Yeah, it is the space that, what, what? | ||
| Combs. | ||
| The Combs space. | ||
| The Hannity and Combs? | ||
| Like, hey, that's your job. | ||
| Your job is to be a Krasenstein who just goes like, Mr. President... | ||
| That's the level of what Owen is engaging with. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| So, I noticed at the beginning of this show, we're talking about how this is the day that will change everything. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Nothing will be the same. | ||
| People will be doing things they can't undo. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And pretty quickly, I think Owen realized Alex isn't coming. | ||
| Uh-oh. | ||
| Roger's not coming. | ||
| Uh-oh. | ||
| He's just on his own on this show. | ||
| There's not really much more news that's developing other than bad vibes. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And so I think he's just like, I think he loses interest. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And he has to cover other news. | ||
| Now I'm interested. | ||
| If President G and President Trump can put aside their differences and clink glasses and break bread together, maybe Musk and Trump can too. | ||
| Maybe there's hope for all of us. | ||
| And maybe the... | ||
| Maybe we can. | ||
| Maybe we can make it all happen, guys. | ||
| Maybe the dream is achievable. | ||
| If Trump and Xi can do it, we can all do it. | ||
| We can all come together. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Although on the left, I'm not so sure. | ||
| These psychos. | ||
| This is a teacher. | ||
| And I guess they took a field trip. | ||
| To Washington, D.C. from Indiana. | ||
| Very common. | ||
| She wore an 86-47 T-shirt and they took the picture in front of the White House. | ||
| Now, she has officially removed her account after this photo was receiving skepticism. | ||
| Now, of course, here's the complete and perfect irony of the American left. | ||
| So I'm guessing in this picture they're both teachers, but I don't know for sure. | ||
| But since it's a field trip, I think it's a safe assumption. | ||
| So you have the teacher here wearing the Kill Trump shirt. | ||
| That's what 8647 means. | ||
| We all know it. | ||
| Let's stop playing games. | ||
| So she has the Kill Trump t-shirt, and then her friend right next to her has the Be Kind t-shirt. | ||
| Isn't that nice? | ||
| So Kill Trump and Be Kind. | ||
| That's the liberal for you. | ||
| Yeah, you're the nice people. | ||
| Who gives a shit? | ||
| He's spending time on his show talking about shirts that a class... | ||
| He doesn't know. | ||
| It's a field trip. | ||
| So he's making up stuff for his interpretation of shirts that were worn by chaperones on a field trip. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| Didn't Kathy Griffin hold up a beheaded Trump thing? | ||
| Yeah, that was bad. | ||
| We already did this. | ||
| We're all still living in the aftermath of that picture that she took. | ||
| We all got over it. | ||
| We got over it, and I betcha, I betcha, as a nation, we'll get over this shirt. | ||
| I can't tell you how stupid this feels. | ||
| It feels very stupid. | ||
| This is not... | ||
| a Indiana public schools podcast. | ||
| This is supposed to be a national... | ||
| what's the news behind the news? | ||
| We were working for God, and we're mad about this shirt on a class field trip. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| I can't think of anything more free speech absolutist than bitching about shirts. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, we're talking Elon Musk and Trump going to nuclear information war against each other. | ||
| And also, look at this shirt. | ||
| Oh, so I'm going to get in trouble for saying the N-word and DEI and stuff, but now they can wear shirts? | ||
| Where does it end, Dan? | ||
| Well, you don't understand that it's because the children will be exposed to this shirt. | ||
| Oh, that's true. | ||
| They'll understand numbers? | ||
| Yeah, this is the way that we can Trojan horse this dumb concern into sounding like it's higher minded than it is. | ||
| Like, if you're doing a goddamn show and you're complaining about a tire on a field trip and it's not like... | ||
| That's not appropriate for a field trip. | ||
| Then the attire decisions we're going to need to critique. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| This shirt, you've got to calm the fuck down, Owen. | ||
| This should be beneath you. | ||
| At very least, it should be beneath your station. | ||
| But apparently it's not. | ||
| So there's another bit of things that are going around on social media. | ||
| Someone had posted complaining about this shirt, so that's probably why Owen's covering it. | ||
| That's why we're doing that. | ||
| And then there's another thing that was happening. | ||
| And that is that this representative, Brandon Gill, he was doing a Doge subcommittee. | ||
| Great. | ||
| And a little clip of it went viral when he was asking a lady if she was racist. | ||
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Ooh. | |
| Now, here was an interesting situation. | ||
| The Democrats called a witness, who I guess runs all these leftist-like think-tank influence groups, specifically advising liberals on how they can attack conservatives about being racists. | ||
| So Representative Gill calls her to task on this, and the response, or lack thereof, is actually hilarious. | ||
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Watch this in clip 13. Are you a racist? | |
| With all due respect, sir, I'm here to talk about the essential work that nonprofits do. | ||
| Hold on, guys. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| Do you guys know what I'm thinking right now? | ||
| No. | ||
| With Ms. Yentel? | ||
| I can't. | ||
| I can't. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| Representative Brandon Gill questioning Ms. Yentel. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| It's fine. | ||
| Are you a racist? | ||
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With all due respect, sir, I'm here to talk about the essential work that nonprofits do. | |
| So this is a clip of Representative Brandon Gill wasting time at this Doge subcommittee hearing with the title, quote, Public Funds, Private Agendas, NGOs Gone Wild. | ||
| What a dumb name for a subcommittee panel. | ||
| Tlingy has gone wild. | ||
| This is circus shit, and the person testifying is the president and CEO of the National Council Okay. | ||
| It's a movie that is very associated with Judaism, which is why Owen thinks it's so funny that this person's name sounds like the title of that movie. | ||
| The joke here relies on the audience understanding that a lot of the extreme right-wing believes that calling everyone racist is a divide-and-conquer strategy that's being used by the Jews to destroy white people. | ||
| The woman's name sounding like Yentl is really funny because it plays on the idea that a Jewish woman is trying to sow racism, which touches on the central piece of Owen's belief system that he can joke about, but he can't say that directly, which is why you saw exactly what happened there. | ||
| Isn't it really funny, guys? | ||
| You know what I'm thinking. | ||
| Isn't this really funny, guys? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Isn't it funny that this Jewish woman is using racism to conquer whites? | ||
| That's what he's saying. | ||
| He's very funny. | ||
| It's crazy that he can't hold that in. | ||
| It's good times. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| It's good times. | ||
| So we have one last clip here because his show fizzles, but he does have some thoughts on the Pope. | ||
| There was more good stuff from the Pope, and I'm not going to get into it today. | ||
| It didn't make my final cut, but since we're talking about the Catholic thing. | ||
| The Pope cut. | ||
| I'm sitting here monitoring the situation with the Pope, who I still feel good about, and I think since he's become the Pope, he's been pretty solid. | ||
| At what? | ||
| Doing what? | ||
| To what? | ||
| For what? | ||
| Why? | ||
| The Americans the other day. | ||
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From what? | |
| How? | ||
| And I'm wondering about this Pope, and I'm thinking, because now it's pretty clear to me. | ||
| I mean, I'm definitely falling for a PSYOP. | ||
| Now, that doesn't necessarily... | ||
| It's not necessarily... | ||
| It could be a good siop. | ||
| It could be a bad siop. | ||
| But I'm watching this pope, and I'm listening to the things he's saying, and I'm watching some of the news breaking, and it's pretty clear that this pope was selected to be aimed right at the American people. | ||
| Now, again, that could be a good thing. | ||
| That could be a bad thing. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But, I mean, clearly... | ||
| He's talking about American issues all the time. | ||
| He's engaging in American culture. | ||
| It's very much an American Pope. | ||
| I mean, it is very much an American Pope. | ||
| It feels just like your local priest. | ||
| So I feel like that was all by design. | ||
| Now, is it a good thing, a bad thing? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Time will tell. | ||
| I still feel good about it, but I think definitely that was the decision was But that is ongoing. | ||
| Meanwhile, the Kennedy Center kicks off June with sold-out showings of the King of Kings. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| So, yeah, the pope is American, and we've gotten to the bottom of it. | ||
| He's American. | ||
| I think the story is that he's American. | ||
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Okay. | |
| That seems to be the story that Owen is covering here. | ||
| I think I like Americans. | ||
| I'm monitoring the Pope situation. | ||
| And I've determined he's American. | ||
| What exactly is he doing beyond American-ing? | ||
| Well, he's praying. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And now that actually introduces an interesting tension, and that is that Owen, one of the things that he likes is that he's speaking English. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And this flies right in the face of Alex and all of these... | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| So like he's... | ||
| Wait until they find out what day the Sabbath is on. | ||
| The Seventh Day Adventists are gonna be pissed. | ||
| But what should he speak? | ||
| Should he speak English? | ||
| Should he speak Latin? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| The psyop here is that Owen likes Americans. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's what he's describing. | ||
| I mean, I wonder if in a way that's such a like weirdly... | ||
| If his worldview made any sense, and we lived in magical world, this is a good point of view to have, right? | ||
| On the Pope. | ||
| Because the Pope and Catholicism, thousand years old. | ||
| America, not that old. | ||
| So if something that's very old is like, hey, come on over here. | ||
| Don't trust it. | ||
| They're smarter than you. | ||
| That's the trick. | ||
| So he should know that a PSYOP where the Pope is trying to make Americans feel good about the Pope, that's to steal America. | ||
| Make Pope America again. | ||
| He's going to make America Popeland. | ||
| That's what he should be saying. | ||
| That's an angle that he's monitoring the situation. | ||
| So if it starts to trend in that direction, I'm sure Owen will inform us all of that. | ||
| I think that if I had to guess, here's what I would say is actually behind a lot of it. | ||
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Okay. | |
| I think that people like Owen feel an elite... | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And so the idea of the Pope speaking in Italian or some other language makes him feel excluded. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And he has a chip on his shoulder that feels like, I can't partake in whatever culture you're expressing, and you wouldn't want me there anyway, and so I hate you. | ||
| Now he sees a Pope who's speaking English, is from Chicago, who there's pictures of him at football games and stuff. | ||
| He doesn't see himself in that. | ||
| He doesn't feel excluded by American guy. | ||
| And so now the Pope's cool. | ||
| Yeah, it does feel like he has the classic American, what am I in Italy? | ||
| Why am I listening to you speak Italian? | ||
| What are you, the Pope? | ||
| Right. | ||
| But I only really kept that clip in because I think it highlighted something that I found fascinating. | ||
| And that is that he said that there were cuts. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He said there were cuts. | ||
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Yep. | |
| There were things that he just didn't have time to get to. | ||
| He had an editorial session. | ||
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Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. | |
| Who's cutting shirt bit? | ||
| Who's cutting the 86-47? | ||
| How dare you? | ||
| You get that clip back in there. | ||
| You understand me? | ||
| We could talk about the Pope, that I've been monitoring that situation very closely, but there is no time. | ||
| I have to complain about a field trip shirt. | ||
| I need the shirt. | ||
| I need the shirt. | ||
| The shirt goes. | ||
| Okay, buddy? | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Fucking unbelievable. | ||
| Anyway, this guy sucks. | ||
| And Alex did not pop back in to give his take. | ||
| So, I mean, we're still stuck in June 5th. | ||
| We're still stuck in the aftermath. | ||
| We've heard Chase's take on it. | ||
| And we've seen it evolve a little bit with Owen. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Where's Alex? | ||
| He's coming back from court. | ||
| That's where he's at. | ||
| I'm telling you, the bench, the benches. | ||
| The bench is not going to get you 25 points a night. | ||
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I'll tell you that. | |
| They're not going to carry your end of the second half shit. | ||
| There is no Detlef Schrempf at InfoWars. | ||
| No, no sir. | ||
| No sixth man of the year award going here. | ||
| Not even a fucking second man of the year. | ||
| Anyway, we'll check in and see what else we can learn about this unfolding pile of bullshit and see what Alex thinks about things like Trump sending Marines to Los Angeles. | ||
| Seems cool, and I'm sure it'll be awesome. | ||
| But until then, we have a website. | ||
| Yes, we do. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| Yep, we'll be back. | ||
| But until then, I'm Leo. | ||
| I'm Leo. | ||
| I'm DZX Clark. | ||
| I am the Mysterious Professor. | ||
| Woo! | ||
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Yeah! | |
| Woo! | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| Woo! | ||
| And now here comes the sex robots. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
| Hello, Alex. | ||
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |
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