The War Room dissects June 5, 2025’s political clashes—Owen Shroyer frames Trump’s support for the rushed Big Beautiful Bill (BBB) as a betrayal, while Dan Friesen and Jordan Holmes expose Infowars’ partisan spectacle, from Epstein files to an Indiana teacher’s "86-47" shirt. Shroyer’s coded racism jokes and selective outrage reveal a media apparatus prioritizing viral distractions over substance, enabling billionaires like Musk while ignoring their government ties. Ultimately, the episode highlights how conspiracy-driven platforms distort accountability into loyalty theater. [Automatically generated summary]
Maybe he's wrong, Have on X, on Elon Musk official account, that Musk's war that's obviously erupted with Trump has gone to a whole other level with Musk saying, I can tell you why they haven't released the Epstein files, and it's because President Trump is in them.
Now, unpacking the magnitude of that is just incredible.
I made a few phone calls before I came on live here to tell you.
My take and some of the inside baseball information I know.
He's suggesting an explanation where everyone has good intentions, but that Musk has got some bad intel from a source that he thinks is credible.
The issue here is that that doesn't really address the problem.
Pretty much everyone knows that Trump would be in whatever files the intelligence agencies have about Epstein.
It's just not clear what level of information they'd have about him or how implicated he would be in anything, but those dudes were good friends and they have a deep history with each other.
It's a little silly to think that he wouldn't be in some files, even if the files that exist don't show that he was a client of Epstein's in the child trafficking way.
The content of Musk's tweets is not that important, except how charged these things he's saying are.
What matters is that he's saying them.
It's a betrayal and a disrespect to the kayfabe that the right-wing media has agreed to uphold in order to prop up Trump.
In essence, Musk is saying that the king has no clothes, and this is the real problem that Alex doesn't seem like he wants to deal with.
Musk saying that Trump was on the Epstein files is one thing, but folks like Alex seem to miss that there are other implications baked into these tweets.
In this tweet, Musk is also saying that Trump has corrupted the intelligence agencies to the point where they can block these files getting released because he's in them.
Musk isn't just accusing Trump of being in the files.
He's also saying that Trump is using the U.S. government as a tool to advance his own personal interests, not the interests of the public.
And we know they got, three months ago, thousands and thousands of files have been hidden by the Democrats at the New York FBI offices by the Comeys, literally him and his daughter over.
And we know Pam Bonney raided those offices at Cash Hotel to get that.
There's a lot of damage control going on.
Right now with Kash Patel and Dan Montino saying that Epstein killed himself and that Kash Patel is about to do a huge media tour very, very soon.
I'll sleep with that.
You'll see what I'm talking about tomorrow.
So there's a lot of signs of impending damage control and they knew this was about to come out.
At least that Musk was going this direction.
I have investigated Trump massively.
I know that the Jane Doe's that followed suit saying he raped them and they were 14, 15, turned out to be fake Democrat operations in the last eight years.
I know a lot of people in that area of Florida, not just Roger Stone, that's been Trump's confidant for 40-plus years, 47 years, said that he knows Trump well.
He should be his wingman when he was during divorces.
Okay, so this line of thinking seems to imply that Alex thinks that Musk's allegations are true.
And that the heads of the FBI and Attorney General are engaging in a scheme of damage control about the fact that Trump was in the Epstein files and that Musk was going to eventually reveal that.
If you say to me, like, oh, he was just having sex with trafficked women, not trafficked underage women, I say we're too far past a point where you can make those distinctions and have it matter.
I think that Alex can't quite figure out what direction he wants to go, because there's this weird conspiracy shit at the beginning, and then Trump's totally cool at the end.
They don't really blend well together.
Also, Alex is saying that Kash Patel is about to do a press tour, which is a reference to him being on Rogan.
This was before that episode came out, so Alex does have that information in advance before it's publicly announced.
I think that if you're Rogan, or if you're someone in Rogan's position, I think that you should be careful if you're having an interview with the former head of the FBI.
If you're having an interview with the current sitting head of the FBI.
I don't think there's a way you can really do that Rogan-style interview in a way that isn't embarrassing.
I'm going to go wherever the facts lead, and I'm going to report whatever the facts are.
Roger Stone just went exclusively on after I talked to him in the last two minutes of my show with Chase Geiser was filling in.
I've been down here at Federal Report today.
We're trying to shut down M4's Democratic Party.
I'll be on the road soon, next 30 minutes, and I'll be doing live feeds there.
I'll pop on with Owen.
I would imagine Roger's going to be coming on with Owen as well.
Owen's show is about to start at M4Wars.com.
It's a lot of show and a real-off show.
It's here on X. Again.
Again, this war with Trump and Musk has been heating up the last few weeks.
Musk, whenever he focuses on something, totally is dedicated.
And he's obviously been very upset about a lot of things, and I know he's learned a lot of things, and he's had access to a lot of things that I don't have access to.
But regardless of what the truth is here, this is the equivalent.
In the information sphere of a full-out nuclear war.
Roger and Alex both, they don't come on Blue War Room.
I think they're trying to figure this shit out in the background.
But I've been thinking about this idea of the information war and how it tracks on to the ideas in real war.
And I think that this is a good analogy comparing this to nuclear war.
In essence, Musk and Trump hold pieces of information about each other that, if widely publicized, would destroy their reputations with the base.
The media space that they've cultivated is a disgusting echo chamber where none of the audience will believe accusations coming from non-cult-aligned sources.
So as long as these pieces of information aren't being validated and discussed by the cult media, they aren't a problem.
In this case, it's widely known that Trump and Epstein were best friends and that Musk lives or dies by taxpayer money through government subsidies and contracts.
At any point, these guys had the ability to publicize these facts which would force the cult media to take them seriously, thereby breaking the shared reality they normally operate in.
These two men are at a nuclear standoff in the information war.
It's pretty much mutually assured destruction if one of them goes after the other because they not only have have the nukes, which is this information, but they also have the codes to use them, which is the relevance and credibility within the cult media for these things to be taken seriously and not just be like, oh, dumb democratic attack or whatever.
So I do actually think it is an apt analogy that these are nuclear powers that have decided to go after each other as opposed to staying in this uneasy, mutually assured destruction truce.
Musk is the reason overall that Trump went over the top in his buying of X. Musk has devastated the globalist system and their narratives of transgenderism and the depopulation operation.
So overall, you don't do real damage to the globalists and be a bad guy.
It's very paradoxical because Trump's doing real damage as well.
But then, are they blackmailing him or somebody else because suddenly they bring in this AI dictatorship?
It's not just liability protection from the states and the citizens for 10 years.
It's an AI takeover plan.
And so there's just a big battle over who's going to control it.
It's really one big AI, just for those that don't know.
At least the West system is.
And that's the big secret I don't want you to know.
It all operates off the same interface with billions of humans.
And it was programmed from the beginning, the way it was set up, that as these things progressed, this ghost machine Globalist, but in God bless you brother That it basically can't be turned off the way it was set up so unless we just Go back to the Stone Age.
I mean, this is such an incredible moment.
This is the quickening.
Things are just going to get more insane from here.
And so, pray for peace, pray for justice, and pray that we don't have a nuclear war, and pray we don't have an economic collapse, because this news just upped the chances of that massively, and that's why I've been so concerned.
And trying to work with Trump, who's been working to really stop this.
When you come to the end of a cycle like this, there's always a big war.
And it was talking about, I didn't finish it, because as it was talking about the creation of OpenAI and all this stuff, it was attributing all of these things to Musk and Altman that were like, oh, they're lofty goals for an open source thing that was all for the good of humanity.
And it was like, no, they were lying.
That was con shit.
So until you start with, these con men were conning people out of money to make this thing, then shut up, you know?
Like, there's an unfortunate overlap between people who see what's possible and people who are lying to you about what's possible in order to fuck with you.
And I think that if you treat the prior like the latter, you know, or vice versa, you get into trouble.
His messaging has to be We're going back to the Stone Age unless you let us control the ring.
Right, right.
But I mean, not even that.
Like, obviously for him, politically, but in the ideal form of Alex, where Alex, the iconoclastic thing that we all imagined from the past, was faced with the either it controls everything or we go back to the Stone Age.
He's the one who is supposed to have the courage to say, then we go back to the Stone Age.
The real version of him is, guys, we want white Christian dudes to have all of this power, and if we don't, then we'll bring you back to the Stone Age.
We got stacks of other political developments happening in D.C. and around the country.
And there are lines being drawn today that some will cross and there'll never be any going back.
Things that will happen in the next 24 to 48 hours will bring in permanent change to American politics, Republican politics, MAGA politics, and how the Trump administration is viewed from here on out.
And I was even talking to some other friends in the media and investigative journalists about some other stories and some other things they were working on, and they were just asking my advice, like, hey, should I do this?
Should my angle be here?
This is earlier this week, and I said, no, I wouldn't do that.
I said, I wouldn't take that angle.
And then I talked to him again today, and I said, everything has changed now.
I think that Owen's a keen enough observer to recognize that calmer heads don't prevail in his information space.
And in fact, they may not exist.
Quick explosive reactions are incentivized by everyone chasing Twitter clout, so this fight between Musk and Trump is going to lead a lot of people to do things they can't undo.
And that's not even considering that Trump and Musk are both impulsive, ego-driven children who could do things they can't undo.
Leaving that aside, it's fascinating how bluntly Owen is speaking here.
I'm not sure he realizes or not, but he's saying that he advised someone else not to follow some investigative story, but now, after this Twitter fight, he says the rules have changed.
What were the rules before that have now changed?
Was it widely understood, like as an editorial position, that you weren't supposed to report on things that make Elon look bad?
Was it pretending not to know about Trump's closeness with Epstein?
He doesn't specify what it is.
But there was a line of sincere inquiry that he knew was supposed to be discouraged before June 5th, but now they're in a smoke-em-if-you-got-em situation.
That's literally what he's expressing.
A lot of the time, I think that the hosts at Infowars don't fully realize what they're saying when they try to get dramatic.
And I think this is a perfect example of that.
Whether or not this conversation happened that Owen's describing, what he's describing is spin.
If I'm a billionaire, here's what I'd do, alright?
Because I'm not always a billionaire.
Now these guys, they were born rich, so they don't have any concept of the real world whatsoever to begin with.
But since I'm not a billionaire, and then I become a billionaire, the first thing I do is I hire five or six people.
And their only job is to kidnap me and beat the shit out of me once I start going rogue.
You know what I'm saying?
Sort of a Bullworth situation.
Absolutely.
Just like I have paid you in advance, no conversation, no like, here's my reason.
Nope, none of that.
If I start going out of pocket, you kidnap me, beat the shit out of me, I do a video a week later, oh, I did a retreat, and then I move back on with my life, you know?
Before I get into all of Let me kind of just build a framework here.
Today, I think, was probably the worst day for President Trump.
Maybe in any time he's been president.
And personally, it is my opinion that anybody that can't be honest about this is either compromised by access or is just biased and can't be honest.
Because to deny Trump's The mistake that he's made this week, whether you agree with what Elon Musk is doing or not, the mistake Trump made this week was he rode with Mike Johnson and John Thim.
So Owen's continuing on the tracks that Chase started to lay down, but you might notice from this clip how immediately Owen's criticism is just a little bit deeper.
Chase's instinctual reaction was to say this is all Mike Johnson's fault, and then he panicked about Johnson stealing his wife, and it wasn't really much more than just him being reactive.
Maybe it's a function of having a little more time to think it over, but Owen's take is just a little better.
All of this is Mike Johnson's fault, but on a more important level, this is Trump's fault for siding with Mike Johnson and the swamp.
Chase's angle was good in the moment, but it also treated Trump like an idiot child who had no agency.
Owen, his take corrects that and accepts the reality that Trump has a choice.
Trump made a choice, and it's the one that Infowars should be against.
You can still like Trump, but if you pretend that his choices weren't the drivers that got everyone into the position where the events of June 5th can happen, then you're a liar who's covering for Trump.
Now, to be clear, Owen has absolutely been a liar covering for Trump on a near constant basis, but the way he's coming at this narrative makes it look like more of an adult than Chase.
It's probably not sincere, but he sounds like someone who's having to draw a hard line, which creates the appearance of principle, and I don't know, maybe it's a function of a little bit more experience.
During Chase's time on the mic, he played a clip of Steve Bannon, and his advice was, go full Abraham Lincoln, and if that doesn't work, go full Andrew Jackson.
Now, if you want to forgive Trump, the only bigger mistake you could argue that Trump has made in his first administration was trusting Anthony Fauci.
and riding with the swamp on COVID.
That was his biggest Again, saving several million lives.
Of all time.
His biggest political scar, black eye, blemish, was riding with Fauci and all of that garbage during COVID.
And it was in that moment he chose the swamp over the American people.
Now, we can forgive him for that.
We can make excuses for that.
Whatever.
That's just the truth.
Well, now Trump has made the same mistake for the second time.
And he's rode with the swamp.
Really, specifically for this, you could say he chose Mike Johnson over Elon Musk, which is just a terrible personnel decision.
Or you could say, and whether the Trump administration realizes this or not, I don't know, but you could say Trump rode with the swamp instead of the American people.
Which I appreciate from their point of view why this doesn't become an obvious thing that they should have planned for.
But if I'm kind of an idiot, right, and I'm in Washington, D.C., and I've got all of these very clever, very charismatic, very experienced at manipulating the system, very entrenched within a certain circumference of power, all of these people— And then I've got Elon Musk, on the other hand, who's a piece of shit.
He's a real asshole and is going to call me an idiot whenever I'm being an idiot.
So, Owen talks about the BBB, the big beautiful bill, and how Marjorie Taylor Greene, MTG, a lot of initials, she has come out and said, hey y 'all, didn't read it.
It turns out, Speaker Johnson yet again, broke the 72-hour rule, put an 1,100-page bill on Republicans' desks for them to vote for without even 24 hours to look it over or read it.
And I give Marjorie Taylor Greene tons of credit.
And she did some media rounds today and was responding to people on X critical of her, and she said, you know what?
I apologize.
I made a mistake.
I voted for this bill before I could read the whole thing, but I wanted to support President Trump.
We had a couple hours to read 1,100 pages.
I trusted the president that it was going to be a great bill, so I voted for it, and she apologized, and she said she got it wrong.
And now other members of the House are coming out, and they're saying the same thing.
Yeah, I mean, I guess you could be, I would suggest you be a little bit more honest, and you just go like, it is by no means is it my job to read this trash.
I mean, he's indicated that neither of these things he really believes.
I guess when your audience...
When the audience is built on connecting all these unconnected dots, you need to be sure to sometimes be like, hey, this dot connection is getting popular.
Now there's a lot of back and forth between Trump and Musk where, and I think this is the worst part of it, because you can have political debate and debate consistency.
Or reasoning and logic behind passing bills or changing your stance on things.
But this has gone beyond that now.
This has gone beyond that now.
And I think we've reached a point, it's undeniable, where what the Republicans and the Trump administration are doing now, which, again, they don't do this.
This is way...
We are now engaging in deception and lying and political propaganda in order to try to get support for this thing.
And it's ugly.
It's ugly.
So if you want to just debate the merits of the bill, Do you?
Or why it needs to be passed.
Okay.
But now they're sending political propaganda at us?
So, Musk, one of the issues that Owen is pretty unfortunately aware of, because he's not supposed to be, is that Musk already kind of controls the government.
Now, I don't know what's going to happen, because a lot of this stuff that the Trump administration wants to do, Musk is already fully in control of.
And this is before Trump even won the second term.
When it comes to SpaceX and Starlink and a lot of these other things that military infrastructure and NASA infrastructure is relying on Musk and his companies.
So now they're saying they're going to cancel his contracts where, okay, then guess what?
You don't even have a big, beautiful bill anymore.
You don't have the Golden Dome.
You don't have a lot of Space Force technology, military technology.
So now, what do you even have?
This is Fauci 2.0.
This is Trump's second biggest mistake he's made as president.
First was riding with the swamp and Fauci.
And now it's riding with the swamp and this bill.
And then the White House engaging in deception and political propaganda in an effort to get us to support it.
And all I'm saying is, you don't...
All you gotta do is what we voted for.
You're the one saying that the auto pen was treason.
You're the one saying that the open border was treason.
You're the one saying they stole an election.
You're the one saying they spied on you and committed treason.
So why are there no arrests?
If you know that, and if we know that...
And if the story is, there really is no president, we're really not in control of anything, or we're not going to deliver on any of this stuff, then it's over.
So if you're Owen and you say this stuff out loud, it's time to recognize that you don't care about the United States, the Constitution, democracy, or liberty.
You've been part of a media apparatus that's consolidated public power in the hands of an unaccountable billionaire who can't suffer any consequences from our government because his technology is too important to space and military infrastructure.
You've created a king.
And not only that, you've created two of them who are now at odds with each other.
The only sensible position for anyone who cares about the rights of the individual is that you've got to be pushing for a complete breakup and probably nationalization of Musk's companies, as well as a number of other effective monopolies that are consolidating wealth and power in unsustainable ways.
It's not just Musk, but boy is he clearly a crisis.
If Musk's companies are critical to the public's well-being and interests, then they can't be allowed to be controlled by his private interest.
The second thing that Owen should realize as he's saying this stuff is that maybe all that shit like the auto pen wasn't as serious as Trump pretended it was.
Maybe calling all of those things treason was just a ploy to whip propaganda media outlets like InfoWars into hysteria, and this frustration that Owen is feeling, it's just the comedown where he has to wrestle with how he was used on these things.
And you can say that they're not going to do this a second time, but yes, they are.
And they're going to do it a third time, and a fourth, and a fifth.
There's no end to how many times they'll do this, because it's the only reason they exist.
InfoWars exist to do it a second time, and pretend to be mad about it, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
If anybody could have put this fire out, it could have been Trump.
But instead, he decided to throw gas on it.
Says Elon was wearing thin.
I asked him to leave.
I took away his EV mandate that forced everyone to buy electric cars that nobody else wanted.
That he knew for months ago I was going to do, and he just went crazy.
Then he says, the easiest way to save money on our budget, billions and billions of dollars, is to terminate Elon's governmental subsidies and contracts.
I was always surprised that Biden didn't do it.
Well, this is going to be interesting.
If this battle between Trump and Musk gets to that level, Now, this gets really interesting.
Because obviously, Musk's companies are receiving all kinds of government contracts.
I mean, Musk's companies probably have so much involvement in U.S. government contracts, I don't even know if you can cancel them all.
They aren't supposed to be cool with the idea that Elon's companies have such extensive and valuable government contracts that the president can't cancel them without causing massive damage to the country.
Elon is essentially in the too big to fail kind of situation, and we've already seen what Infowars thinks about that kind of shit.
This fight between Trump and Musk is forcing their hand, making people like Owen admit all kinds of stuff that they pretend not to know, because they're required to fight against these things if they're aware of them.
You can't be a host on a network that's above partisan politics and is all about rooting out corruption and support a billionaire owning multiple companies that have so many important government contracts that he can't be reined in at all by our elected officials.
But if you're Owen, if you're these people, and you hear the government depends on this so much that it cannot be taken, then you go, well, then we have to take it.
It is, and it's also like this very strange thing that I can't imagine a lot of people who are on the other side from Owen give a single shit what Ian Myles Chong, or Ian Chong does.
The propaganda agents, the digital influencers of the left and the Democrat Party are now all posting that they're now all demanding that the Epstein files get released because they now believe Trump is on the list.
Brilliant.
Now, again, if that's not...
Now the left is interested in the Epstein files because Musk suggests Trump is on it.
Because it pretends that people on the left weren't already in favor of releasing the Epstein stuff.
Pretending that they only want that because the possibility of getting a dunk on Trump or something is really silly.
And it comes off very stupid.
The idea that they have complete ownership of this space is a tragic thing in some ways, but it's a reflection of the ways that they've turned crimes around trafficking, crimes around these sorts of issues into a circus.
The Democrats called a witness, who I guess runs all these leftist-like think-tank influence groups, specifically advising liberals on how they can attack conservatives about being racists.
So Representative Gill calls her to task on this, and the response, or lack thereof, is actually hilarious.
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With all due respect, sir, I'm here to talk about the essential work that nonprofits do.
So this is a clip of Representative Brandon Gill wasting time at this Doge subcommittee hearing with the title, quote, Public Funds, Private Agendas, NGOs Gone Wild.
This is circus shit, and the person testifying is the president and CEO of the National Council Okay.
It's a movie that is very associated with Judaism, which is why Owen thinks it's so funny that this person's name sounds like the title of that movie.
The joke here relies on the audience understanding that a lot of the extreme right-wing believes that calling everyone racist is a divide-and-conquer strategy that's being used by the Jews to destroy white people.
The woman's name sounding like Yentl is really funny because it plays on the idea that a Jewish woman is trying to sow racism, which touches on the central piece of Owen's belief system that he can joke about, but he can't say that directly, which is why you saw exactly what happened there.
And I'm wondering about this Pope, and I'm thinking, because now it's pretty clear to me.
I mean, I'm definitely falling for a PSYOP.
Now, that doesn't necessarily...
It's not necessarily...
It could be a good siop.
It could be a bad siop.
But I'm watching this pope, and I'm listening to the things he's saying, and I'm watching some of the news breaking, and it's pretty clear that this pope was selected to be aimed right at the American people.
Now, again, that could be a good thing.
That could be a bad thing.
I don't know.
But, I mean, clearly...
He's talking about American issues all the time.
He's engaging in American culture.
It's very much an American Pope.
I mean, it is very much an American Pope.
It feels just like your local priest.
So I feel like that was all by design.
Now, is it a good thing, a bad thing?
I don't know.
Time will tell.
I still feel good about it, but I think definitely that was the decision was But that is ongoing.
Meanwhile, the Kennedy Center kicks off June with sold-out showings of the King of Kings.
And he has a chip on his shoulder that feels like, I can't partake in whatever culture you're expressing, and you wouldn't want me there anyway, and so I hate you.
Now he sees a Pope who's speaking English, is from Chicago, who there's pictures of him at football games and stuff.
Anyway, we'll check in and see what else we can learn about this unfolding pile of bullshit and see what Alex thinks about things like Trump sending Marines to Los Angeles.