June 5, 2025’s Knowledge Fight episode dissects Alex Jones’ reactive Palantir obsession—$343M in government revenue (2013–present) and $281B market cap—while mocking his "cyborg AI" conspiracy framing. Chase Geiser pivots to the Trump-Musk feud over BBB’s EV subsidies, calling it a distraction by Mike Johnson, but Dan Friesen exposes the contradiction: Palantir’s dominance in surveillance clashes with Jones’ fantasy narratives. The segment spirals into abortion economics, Musk’s Epstein tweet as "mutually assured destruction," and Roger Stone’s irrelevant cameo, revealing how right-wing media’s fixation on strongmen fuels instability. Ultimately, their analysis suggests unchecked grievances and media complicity are accelerating a crisis far beyond personal feuds. [Automatically generated summary]
So thank you so much to Shauna and Adam are inviting Dan and Jordan to the opening of our home tiki bar, the Nautilus, in Atlanta for some well-deserved Mai Tais.
In the same way, early on in the 1900s, the world threw us a bone when these cousins started to get in a real big argument, and then everything went fine from there.
Breaking reports from Alex Jones detailing all of the inside baseball on the escalations between Russia and Ukraine.
The failed peace talks after this massive assault on Russia with what people are saying is Russia's Pearl Harbor.
Plus, we've got reports coming up from Alex Jones on more developments, more details surrounding Palantir.
Of course, yesterday it broke that Jeffrey Epstein had invested $40 million in Palantir after Peter Thiel had basically said he had no association with him.
And we'll see if it's a distraction or if it's actually some detail that we should be paying closer attention to.
But one thing is for sure, we're in the middle of an AI crisis.
And the Trump administration is trying to do everything that it can to position the United States of America to be dominant in that.
And while we expand our military-industrial complex, it comes at the expense or the risk of our liberties and our rights here.
And so everyone's paying very close attention.
We're all trying to hold our leaders' feet to the fire.
So the news had just broke that Epstein had invested with Peter Thiel to the tune of $40 million.
But it wasn't with Palantir.
It was another company that Thiel started called The Lar Ventures.
For the Tolkien heads out there, you'll notice this is another reference to his work, this time to the Silmarillion.
The Valar are godlike beings that descend to Earth to shape it and be the powers in the world.
Seems not cool, and like a real meatball being thrown right over home plate for a conspiracy theorist.
Peter Thiel keeps naming these companies after creepy things in Tolkien books, and the one named after the rulers of the world received secret heavy investment from Jeffrey Epstein.
You can almost feel Chase knowing that he's supposed to cover this.
But at the same time, he knows that Alex is involved in minimizing Palantir and Thiel-related stuff, because he doesn't quite want to go against it.
I got from high-level Russians, hopefully on my show, just a few days ago, Viktor Boud, that, and it continues, they don't want Ukraine.
You know, it's always part of Russia to let it away.
They're gonna go in out of Belarus and they're massing troops to the east of that with Russia.
They're gonna attack, a pincer attack, well triple attack from the south and from the east out of Russia into Kharkiv and then into Kiev from the north.
They're gonna encircle Kiev and then they're gonna give people, the civilians, a few weeks to get out and then they're gonna flag.
So this is a critically important dynamic to understand with someone like Alex Jones.
I'm very glad that this teachable moment has come up.
In his recent show, Alex spent a long time deflecting criticism that had popped up in the right-wing media about the Trump administration working with Palantir to create a database of U.S. citizens.
Alex sugarcoated the whole thing in multiple ways, mostly by misrepresenting what Palantir was involved in, pretending it was AI meant to find corruption by the globalists or to track undocumented immigrants.
All of this stuff would be unacceptable for Alex Jones in 2003, but now his political philosophy is far more based on ends justifying the means, so he's able to get away with being like, they're just going to use this on this stuff.
It's fine.
Since that show, he's been receiving a lot of blowback from people on Twitter who are rightly pretty surprised that he would be so mocking towards people criticizing Palantir and seemingly so angry about questions being asked about it.
So now we have Alex doing this little car report, and part of his agenda is trying to recontextualize what he said on that issue.
There is a bit of truth in what Alex is saying in that he never said, I support Palantir.
He didn't say those words, but other people have heard what he said and made that characterization of Alex's comments.
So Alex is correct that he didn't say that he supported Palantir, but the characterization that what he was doing was in support of Palantir is also correct and more important.
Alex does this a lot in his content, and it's one of the reasons that if you want to assess something that he says, it's very important to take larger context into consideration.
For instance, at points you might hear him say things that are in opposition to the genocide going on in Gaza, and you might think, hey, alright, at least Alex gets that.
In reality, if you understood his larger point, you would know that Alex has no support or solidarity with the people of Palestine.
He just opposes what's going on because he thinks it's going to lead to more refugees coming to the United States.
It's superficially a position you might agree with, but on every level past the surface, there's no agreement, and he is not your friend.
Alex's points need to be understood as coming from Alex, and that carries a lot of baggage.
These points aren't being made for their own sake.
They're part of holding up a much larger narrative framework that he's fully beholden to.
Case in point, Alex's show is fundamentally racist.
If you were to say that to him, he would obviously counter and say that he doesn't use slurs and everyone bleeds the same blood and all that good stuff.
You would have a difficult time finding examples of him saying explicit things about other races being inferior to white people, and if you just operate on that surface level, No, I'm not a racist.
However, if you listen to enough of his show, you start to see that the way that he deals with with very similar, sometimes identical stories you start to see that there are differences in how these stories are told depending on a person's race.
The dynamics of this become incredibly clear when you compare a story where a white person kills a non-white person and a story where a non-white person kills a white person.
It's glaring, and you can see the editorial position shining through his words.
If a white person is the victim, then it was a racially motivated hate crime carried out because the perpetrator hated white people because the globalists have brainwashed everyone with stuff like teaching children about the Civil War.
If a non-white person is the victim, then they actually were to blame for their own murder somehow.
Ahmaud Arbery shouldn't have been jogging in that neighborhood.
Eric Garner shouldn't have been selling loose cigarettes.
And Tamir Rice shouldn't have been playing with that toy gun.
In order to understand the fundamental racism of Alex's content, you have to understand how he tells stories differently under different circumstances.
These differences are the fingerprints of the author, and they tell you about the story, what it is that the audience is supposed to receive.
The stuff about Palantir is exactly the same thing.
Alex's angle on the story is the point, not necessarily any direct statement for Palantir, in favor or against.
Alex is presented with this story about the creation of a database of citizens, and now he's got to respond, and he's got to respond based on whether they're on the team or not.
If it were some company that had gotten investment from, like, Klaus Schwab, it would be the most evil thing in the world.
But since it's a company started by Peter Thiel, who supports Trump, Alex doesn't want people to focus on them.
This angle that you're just focusing on the pinky instead of the fist thing is a cowardly dodge.
Alex's entire show is just about pinkies.
You only care about fists when you don't want someone to look at the pinky.
And I mean, like, if Alex's point is you're looking at the pinky when you should be looking at the fist, like, it does not justify the amount of anger he was expressing towards people who were talking about Palantir.
And there's just one obvious, like, Elon did the thing, and that's all you have to do.
Unless Trump releases this, he's a pedophile.
That's all you have to do.
You have to just do that, and then stick with it, and then Trump will either release it, and he'll be on it because he's a pedophile, or you'll be able to say, you're a pedophile, and nobody will be able to do shit about it.
And then we've got these escalations going on with Palantir, and everyone's talking about Palantir, Palantir, Palantir.
We've got a report coming at the bottom of the hour from Alex Jones with his latest analysis, thoughts and expectations, even predictions on what this Palantir conversation really means, where it's really coming from and what the real point is.
I'm going to share some of my thoughts as well.
Can't wait.
I think it's bad.
of President Trump responding to some of Elon Musk's criticisms of the Big Beautiful Bill.
I'm also going to analyze for you and just kind of break down what's going on in that over 1,000-page bill as it pertains to artificial intelligence spending, whether or not there's really going to be a deficit caused by this bill.
I do believe it's the largest proposed bill in the history of bills, but I could be mistaken on that.
But new, Trump speaks on Elon coming out against the BBB.
Quote, I would have won Pennsylvania regardless of Elon.
I'm very disappointed with Elon.
He knew this bill better than anyone, and he only developed a problem when he found out I would cut the EV mandate.
When he left, he said the most beautiful things about me.
He hasn't said anything bad yet, but I'm sure that will be next.
I've helped Elon a lot.
Elon worked hard at Doge, and I think he misses the place.
I think he got out there, and he's no longer in this beautiful Oval Office.
It's not just Elon.
I think when some people leave, they miss it so badly, they develop a type of TDS.
No, when you have been psychologically traumatized from a very young age by an insane father who's got a weird agenda for you to achieve without you having any input on it at all.
And Elon Musk has responded to some of these remarks in Trump's...
Thank you.
This bill was never shown to me even once and was passed in the dead of night so fast that almost no one in Congress could even read it.
Of course, we know that Marjorie Taylor Greene came out and said that they added the artificial intelligence protections toward the end of the process, and she hadn't had a chance to read it, and that's why she voted for it.
And if she had known that the AI protections in there, the liability protections and things of that nature had been in place, then she wouldn't have voted for it.
Now, that's on her.
You should know what you're voting on.
But I believe Elon Musk when he says that he had no way of seeing this prematurely.
Because the lies are directed at each other, it puts someone like Chase in a position where he can't really maintain support for both parties without explaining why it's cool for leaders to lie to you.
This is delicate, and I'm fascinated by how yet another major InfoWars development is happening while Alex isn't in the studio.
Harrison was left in charge while January 6th happened, and because of that, the enduring image of that day on InfoWars was him saying that the Capitol had fallen and that Patriots were in charge, only to have Alex correct him pretty quickly that this was a trap.
I think that hurt Harrison's status at InfoWars, and his very open white supremacy has created a bit of a glass ceiling for his advancement, where now Chase is clearly higher on the roster than him.
This episode...
It represents a challenge for Chase.
How does he step up to the plate in an unfolding crisis?
How sharp are his instincts when the heat is on?
Will he rise to greatness or will he be just another Harrison?
And I do think that there was a fun part later in his exchange with the German chancellor where they were talking about how the anniversary of D-Day was coming up.
And what he's trying to do is defy Trump and Elon against one another so they don't realize that he's actually the problem so he can maintain his position as the Speaker of the House of Representatives despite the fact that he's central casting for a pedophile.
I like this.
Despite the fact that he's a little Boy Scout weasel on his Warby Parkers.
Look, folks, we have to protect our interests in the Indo-Pacific region.
I'm going to go into the skiff and come out a completely different man.
You pretend that it's all someone else's fault, and Mike Johnson is a...
He's the perfect fall guy.
So this clip actually reveals brilliance and So it comes down to what you value more, money or power.
I'm somewhat impressed that Chase figured out there's another road to go down where it just might be possible to keep supporting Trump and Musk, or at very least, you delay having to make a firm decision on this by focusing on Mike Johnson.
But in this clip, we also see a glaring problem, Chase has no business doing bad impressions and casually accusing people of being pedophiles.
That's territory that Alex has claimed, because even the people who like him kind of understand that he's nuts.
Alex's performance relies on the audience being aware that he's a little insane, and that's because he knows too much, and he's seen too much.
God has given him these visions that he's had to carry like a cross for his whole life, and for the last 30 years, he's had to live with the crown of thorns that comes with the public derision that's been on his head.
Alex is a little bit unwell, which is why he drifts into characters and he can't control himself from calling everyone he doesn't like a pedophile or a demon.
Chase isn't the same guy, so when he tries to put on Alex's affectations, it looks really stupid.
What makes Alex an effective propagandist isn't the same things that are going to make Chase effective as his own person, and it's just kind of sad to see a clip that combines such potential alongside such hacky bullshit.
An even further glaring problem here is that Chase hasn't thought out the next steps down the path he's chosen.
Blaming Mike Johnson is great, and it takes some of the pressure off, but then what?
Even if all of this is Mike Johnson's fault, then you're still left with the president and the richest man in the world who are so stupid that they got played by Mike Johnson, and they got into this big ego-based Twitter fight.
And while I respect the instincts, I don't know if there's really anything that anyone in his position could do to save the ship and save Musk and Trump from themselves in this moment.
But this is probably as close as you're going to get.
And look, maybe he's a great guy and he's trying to do the best things and I'm just misunderstanding.
But when you have congressmen saying there isn't enough time to do what's right for the American people because they've been working for 14 months on a giant bill that would only undermine the interest of the American people in many ways.
So Chase is continuing to embarrass himself by doing Alex's material, but this one I thought was pretty bad.
His fear is that his wife leaves him for Mike Johnson, which then becomes him being scared of the idea of Mike Johnson being your stepdad.
Obviously, the second part is him worrying about his children being raised by Mike Johnson, but the thought process is clunky.
The point of view he's speaking from changes mid-thought, sort of implying that if his wife left him for Mike Johnson, then Mike Johnson would become his stepdad, which would mean that Chase is married to his own mother.
Chase needs to find his own voice and stop ripping Alex off because he's not good at this.
This tone doesn't work.
Like, Mitch Hedberg is great.
Dave Attell is great.
A Dave Attell joke being delivered by Mitch Hedberg, or vice versa, is not good.
And I'm not saying either Alex nor Chase.
Is the Mitch or Tell of this, but it's not your voice.
And if it takes 14 months, well, maybe that's because you're retarded.
I tell you what, I could write a slim, beautiful bill in probably two hours max.
That would be all of the codification of the doge cuts, plus all of the funding of the Golden Dome, as well as the legislation around artificial intelligence and developing it to win the AI wars.
The problem is that it takes so long to write a new one.
The problem is that you're always wheeling and dealing with the world's greatest supervillains, the members of our Congress, whether they're in the House of Representatives or the Senate of the United States.
But on the other side, we're going to hear from Alex Jones about Palantir, the latest analysis, development, and predictions related to the developing technocracy in the context of the artificial intelligence cold war that we are in right now, the AI wars and the space wars that we're in right now.
I mean, it's Terminator and the Matrix all coming together in one big, beautiful podcast.
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Um, I think that what we heard from him there is a great illustration of how little he understands about how the government bill writing process works.
So, when Alex says that he meant to cause a backlash that focused attention on him so then he could deliver the deep dive on Palantir, what he means to say is that he showed his whole ass, people called him out on it, and now he's got to do some damage control.
He's not doing a deep dive here.
He's driving on a highway headed to court, shooting filler videos because he knows that no one else at InfoWars has the goods to fill in for the whole show.
If Alex really planned this whole thing in order to bring attention to the subject, Kind of think he would have a well-produced video about the bigger picture about Palantir just ready to go.
He wouldn't be rambling behind the wheel while Rob Dew plays cameraman.
This dodge that Alex is doing is one that he and many of his ilk like to use when they've gone too far or they made a miscalculation on what the audience is going to accept.
In his original rant, he was trying to shame people who were asking questions about Palantir working with the Trump administration, and it was very clear that the desired end result of that was to get the audience's attention focused elsewhere.
Alex was a bullfighter, waving a red cape for them to chase people away from running at Palantir.
But I think his actions were a little too suspicious, and people saw through it more than he expected.
Too many people were on Twitter asking, Hey man, why are you waving that red cape around?
You kind of seem like a bullfighter.
And instantly, Alex is caught red cape-handed.
Now it's his job to explain why he's waving this cape around, and the best he can do is pretend that he was trying to distract people away from asking questions about Palantir in order to get them to ask better questions about Palantir, which is stupid.
This angle might work for some of Alex's audience, and maybe it'll be decent enough damage control that he can just move on, but I can't imagine anyone who's not a big fan of his already buying into that.
Well, I mean, so then we can compare it to other deep dives he's done in the past, thereby proving that it is or is not a deep dive, relatively speaking.
You have to understand some history first, and then I'll get into the latest information of the bill and the provisions and what it's all about.
DARPA-ARPA.
We set up, in the mid-1950s, a project, national initiative directive, much bigger than the Manhattan Project, to establish the intergalactic communication system.
Now, that is more of a euphemism.
It's not actually for communicating intergalactic.
It's about the galaxy of independent human minds.
And at a theoretical level, just like Max Planck, at a theoretical level with equations in the 1890s, developed equations for atomic bombs.
Where the first major conscious AI is actually an interface of systems of supercomputers, as they were known then, theoretically, and then developed, interfacing with billions of humans in live time.
First with large, in their theoretical plan, first partially classified in '61, developed the '50s, jumbotrons.
that would then send out stimuli to the humans and then they said they would later develop handheld computers that they imagined and theoretically you would plug in Can you?
So far, Alex has blended a bit of science fiction into the basic elements of the story of how the Internet was developed, which is now culminated in an iPhone, which apparently is something that we plug into, and it gives us our daily orders.
On one level, I want to say that Alex's story about ARPA is not accurate, but on a deeper level, I don't really care about that, because I think what he's expressing is true to him.
I think he's so addicted to social media that the stimulus he gets from logging into Twitter is kind of like what he imagines would be coming from these jumbotrons.
I suspect that he doesn't realize that other people don't spend as much time compulsively reading comments on Twitter, and that he thinks that everyone's daily reality is as shaped by Twitter as his own is.
On some level, I think there's an emotional truth to the idea that the internet has become a prison for Alex, but he doesn't seem to grasp that it was his choice to get into that prison, and he could get out anytime he wants.
He's rich, so it's kind of a resort prison, and he's just unwilling to risk the luxuries of that facility in order to taste freedom from the shackles that bind him.
You remember those raccoon traps where they would have the little nails and so the raccoon would put its hand in there and it would grab onto something, but it couldn't pull it out because the raccoon would never let go of that thing.
I think if you are a classical piece There's no way you can deal with Twitter if it's about you on that day, right?
You're just gonna do it.
And if you can make it so it's pretty much always about you, yeah, this man is insane.
But I think that what Alex is expressing, this idea of the Internet was developed as this perfect tool to trap human or whatever, it feels more like him talking about himself and explaining the history of Internet in order to serve as a...
And then in 1998, when Google was founded as an In-Q-Tel CIA Defense Department DARPA operation, on record, They said at the founding meetings, when it was incorporated, this was released about 15 years ago, big articles in Wire magazine, but even before that was released, I could theoretically run their plan for before, you already knew who it was.
They said, we're building a human-machine-AI interface, and the first true artificial intelligence will be cybernetic, in that it is a human-machine system.
And so the billions of humans hooked into it with your actions become the nodes and that it's able to program us with stimuli or what you would call a social credit score.
And those are oversimplifications.
And so this large theoretical plan continues to grow forward.
Oh man, Google is real evil working with In-Q-Tel and the CIA.
Let me just read you here from a Forbes article.
Palantir lives the realities of its customers, the NSA, the FBI, and the CIA, an early investor through its In-Q-Tel Venture Fund, along with an alphabet soup of other U.S. counterterrorism and military agencies.
In the last five years, Palantir has become the go-to company for mining massive data sets for intelligence and law enforcement applications with a slick software interface and coders who parachute into clients' headquarters to customize its programs.
Ah, but wait.
Alex, you said that Palantir's the new kid on the scene, and everybody's just hysterical because they're just trying to get contracts now.
That's what's going on.
Problem with that, the article that I just read you from is from 2013.
A little more from that article.
Quote, The more Alex talks about this, the more clear it is that his position is full of shit.
He's out here talking about Google's connections with the CIA and In-Q-Tel, and all of that stuff is exactly the same for Palantir.
The difference between Google and Palantir is that Palantir is currently involved in Trump's push to eliminate data silos in the government that would combine sensitive data about all citizens into a centralized database, which ironically would make it super easy to make a social credit score the thing that Alex is supposed to be all scared about.
I get the point that just focusing all of your attention on Palantir and not understanding the larger picture is a bad strategy to push for real change.
But that's not the position that Alex was expressing initially that people had a problem with.
If it were, then I wouldn't even be confused or worried about what Alex is saying.
I'm going to just pull over here because we're almost where we're supposed to be.
My point was simply saying, hey guys.
Hey guys.
Everyone just obsessing on Palantir.
My making that point is not a defense of Palantir.
As I said, I was not distracting from Palantir.
I was trying to use the fact that the system was putting Palantir front and center and introducing some of these dangers and evils as if it is the sum total and this new arrival.
And that I wanted people To be able to understand that it's part of a larger long-term project, the intergalactic communication system, you know it's the internet, which is just the network integration for the cybernetic giant hive mind of billions of people and the machines.
All right?
And so I was successful at that.
And I saw some people criticizing me.
It was fascinating.
They all basically did the same thing.
They would play clips of me.
And say, look, he's criticizing Alex Karp saying he helped crush the right wing in Europe with his AI and his surveillance systems.
And oh, look, he admits they use it for AI killing people in Gaza and autonomous stuff, you know, Skynet.
And oh, look, he's saying all this bad about it, but he's defending it.
No, you said I was defending it.
You did that because of the pre-programming where you need to be the only good person and the only pure person.
It's a pharisaical thing.
And I use that.
I knew what you would do before you did it.
Because I really want people to not just look at that.
See, if I show you just the tip of my finger, and that's Palantir, I'm not covering Palantir up.
I'm saying you're looking at that.
That's what the media, New York Times, Young Turks, the whole system in the last few months has the ability to only talk about this for the last few years, but they're building this now.
Because then when you understand what Palantir is, and it's not even really the index finger, it's more like a new finger growing.
When you see that, then you can get the big picture and understand that this Does it?
Does it?
What?
Not just our subconscious or unconscious individually, but the collective unconscious, and now is able to show it to us.
But then all these major competing corporate governmental and military AI systems all have the same, quote, wokeism and all the same characteristics because it's all built on the expression of the steering and the curating of the intergalactic communication system that you know as the ARPA, DARPA system.
The big secret is that none of these AIs are independent from each other.
None of these...
And they're all incestuously talking to each other.
They're all getting data.
They're all creating their own languages.
They're already stealing information and blackmailing and making secret copies of themselves and all of this because they have human desire and human will.
And human proclivity towards good and evil mixed into its very foundation, like Sauron pouring his dark will into the ring.
But because there's so much goodwill in humanity, that will say the nuclear family's bad, that will say carbon dioxide's evil.
So it's putting the virus of deception and lies into it.
From the beginning, because the whole thing is designed to absorb humans and ultimately end humans in a childhood-end type scenario that Arthur C. Clarke, of course, talked about in the 1950s, theoretically.
So, to simplify what's going on with Palantir, and this is not a secret, Alex Karp and Peter Thiel and that crew, particularly Thiel, have been supporters of Trump for about 10 years.
And they've been open about the fact that they don't like what they call the establishment globalist system in the direction of the intergalactic communication cyborg.
Mass cyborg group collective consciousness.
And so they've sold some of their technology, the Pentagon, the CIA.
They've used it for databases, AI, autonomous hunter-killer drones, all that you already know.
Alex isn't just some pundit who reads the news and maybe has a couple sources.
God has given him psychic abilities and prophetic dreams.
God has bestowed upon him the ability to see demons who walk in human form.
He's not some guy who deals in grey areas.
This is a very black and white information war.
When Alex is opposed to someone, they're a demon and they will be treated as such.
He'll concoct graphic fantasies about sex crimes they've committed and he'll accuse them of everything ranging from seatbelt violations to crimes against humanity.
He sees Brian Stelter smile and he loses his shit about how he can see a demon in him.
So when Alex plays this game, where he insists that you need to see the bigger picture and what's really behind the Palantir stuff, it's pretty obvious that, if nothing else, he's not treating them like demons.
This is a war between good and evil, and the psychic guy who can see demons is telling you pretty loud and clear that Palantir doesn't set off his demon alarm.
The conclusion he's leading the audience to is pretty obvious, and the confusion Alex is feigning here is fake.
He knows that he stepped in it, and too much of his audience wasn't ready to forget about their fears of a surveillance state as long as Trump is in charge of it.
He tried to run defense for Palantir, but it didn't work, so now he's having to run defense for himself.
Having done that, it's very sad.
This is just a tragic situation to see a psychic in.
I'm out for something that gets a good distraction and then goes away until like 20 years later when the clones are adults and they're like, how's it like being a clone?
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Alex is just free associating driving in his car to court and we're expected to deal with this and it's like, oh yeah, hey, this idiot is talking about how a sci-fi novel he liked as a kid is real.
this big beautiful bill controversy and this Palantir controversy whether or not it's an issue or not and I made the point that look it's not a matter of who is responsible for making the weapons or the technology it's more of a matter of who they make the technology or the weapons for that's at issue so Palantir if it's customers the deep state is going to do deep
The idea that Palantir is just a tool and it can be used for good or evil depending on who's in charge, that's something that I would have no problem hearing from a pundit on MSNBC or some think tank.
But this is Infowars, so Chase can cut this shit right off.
It's embarrassing for him to say something like this on the show.
Does he think this about Lockheed Martin?
Like, are weapons manufacturers neutral things that can be good or bad depending on who's in power?
Or are they a profit-driven institution that makes more money when weapons are purchased and used?
This is the thing that I'm noticing with Chase.
He's good at the first step of a narrative, but almost everything he says can't withstand a good follow-up question.
He comes off a lot less insane than Alex, and he does a pretty good impression of someone making a good point, but the implications of the things he says are nonsense, and he could never defend this shit.
And just because it's funny, he says in that clip that this horribly dangerous technology is fine as long as the patriots can keep their movement in line.
And in the background, what's happening is that their philosopher hero, Elon Musk, has been Twitter fighting with their god king president all day, and he's about to accuse him of being a pedophile.
Their movement is not on track, and there's literally no discipline.
So if that's how I'm supposed to judge whether or not I should be worried about Palantir, I'm fucking worried.
You guys can't keep your movement in check to save your life.
Yeah, and I would say the irony of him saying specifically that about Palantir is that the thematic resonance of Palantir is that it is inevitably going to be bent towards the will of the strongest user or evil.
But as it pertains to the Palantir situation, like I said, I think we're making a mistake criticizing Palantir when we should really be criticizing the entities or forces that have funded and manipulated it.
And I also think that we're making a mistake if we say that Palantir is small in this bucket.
U.S. government revenue up 45% year over year to $343 million, representing...
39% of total revenue.
Government contracts, particularly with the U.S. Department of Defense and intelligence agencies, are a core driver with notable deals like the $229 million Maven smart system contract and $100 million extension for AI targeting tools.
So with a market cap of $281 billion as of May 2025, Palantir surpasses traditional defense contractors like Lockheed Martin, only $132 billion, and Northrop Grumman, $94 billion in valuation, despite its lower revenues reflecting investor confidence in its AI-driven growth.
No one else was saying that Palantir is just small potatoes and that Johnny-come-lately on the scene.
That was Alex's defensive angle on this story, which Chase is now directly contradicting.
If you're listening to this show and you take it seriously, then one of these two hosts is lying to you.
Either Palantir is a scrappy new company fighting for contracts, which is why the globalists have launched a hysteria about them, or they're a giant company with higher market valuation than the biggest defense contractors.
Those can't both be true.
One of these people is full of shit, and they're both on the same show hosting.
This is going to be an interesting time because I wonder if it is like the culmination, the apotheosis of everything that we've been doing through media for the past like 100 years is that will these people truly be able to hold two contradicting ideas simultaneously?
So rather than criticizing the Palantirs, we should be criticizing our government and making sure that we have control of it, but we've got major escalations happening still between Donald Trump and Elon Musk.
The easiest way to save money in our budget, billions and billions of dollars, is to terminate Elon's governmental subsidies and contracts.
I was always surprised that Biden didn't do it.
He goes on to say, Guys, just stop.
This has to stop.
It's not about Elon Musk versus Donald Trump.
It's that weasel Mike Johnson.
Donald Trump understands he's not going to ever get his precious golden dome, which is precious for all of us, by the way, absolutely essential that we have dominance in space.
He's never going to get his golden dome without the federal contracts to SpaceX.
And the fact that he's implying that he would threaten it, that he would take away these contracts with SpaceX just because he's having a tit-for-tat over BBB is asinine.
But this is Elon Musk and Donald Trump taking the bait of that deep state shill, Mike Johnson, who was sent in to subvert anything that the populist movement in the United States of America could hope to accomplish.
Chase and everyone in the right-wing media really needs Trump and Musk to stop at this point.
If the two of them go after each other too much more, one of them is going to end up destroyed.
And even more importantly, the fight between them is going to end up exposing way too much shit that outlets like Infowars try to ignore.
This clip is a great example of that, where Chase is accidentally having to admit on air that a giant part of Elon's wealth comes from government subsidies and contracts, and that his existence in this position is a national security threat.
If he and Trump get into a fight, as they currently are, one or both of them can decide they don't want to work together anymore.
And then the over-reliance that the government has on Elon's companies becomes a disaster.
If we have no space program without Musk and space dominance will determine the future, then Elon's whims determine the future.
If he wants to stop working with NASA, then I guess China wins that arms race.
So if you believe the things that Chase is saying on the show, then Elon basically has the United States held at gunpoint.
This clip further illustrates the petulant fighting that these guys engage in puts us all in danger, and they don't give a single shit about the public good.
If Elon Musk's contracts are so important to the United States surviving, then Trump threatening to cancel them because of a personal fight between them is a dereliction of his duty.
His ego doesn't supersede his responsibility as the president, and this situation makes clear how that line is murky and Trump's on the wrong side of it.
Even further, this threat from Trump shows that he's willing to engage in large-scale, wide-open extortion.
At this point, Musk hasn't even called Trump a pedophile yet, and Trump is making very clear that if you oppose his agenda, in this case the Big Beautiful Bill, he will cut you off, not just personally, but he will use the power of the state and taxpayers' money in order to punish you.
This is such a damning picture of the way that Chase's chosen heroes operate and decide to use their power, and you can hear in his voice that he knows if this goes on much longer, who knows what else is going to come out.
What kind of damage could be done that can't be undone?
Like, what if Elon came out and said that big balls put a virus in the social security database and now he has everyone's social security number?
The level of access that Trump gave Musk in their shared pursuit of money and power means that previously unthinkable things are on the table.
In that moment, Chase can't really be sure that Elon Musk isn't about to do a big movie supervillain reveal, and he needs them to stop before it gets anywhere close to that point.
Like, whenever I'm trying to go through what it's like to be some of these people...
With Trump and Elon fighting, I think, right, that the only people that are, like, they're making me feel bad, if that makes sense, because I'm not going to admit the obvious things, that we're always obvious.
If I could admit the obvious things, we wouldn't be in this situation now.
This is a result of people not being able to admit very obvious things because they're inconvenient and not helpful.
So really, the only people that are getting hurt by this are everybody.
It was Musk's protection of freedom of speech that allowed the American people to come to the conclusion that Donald Trump was a much better candidate.
That's what won it.
And so they need to stop fighting each other.
They need to realize that the ring of Sauron that is Mike Johnson is...
So Chase is really on the razor's edge here, admitting that Elon won Trump the election by buying Twitter.
That's premeditated purchasing of a media company for the explicit purpose of manipulating an election, which I guess is fine if you just pretend it was about free speech.
So Chase really doesn't have a choice but to make defenses about this because Musk had just tweeted, quote, Without me, Trump would have lost the election.
Dems would control the House and the Republicans would be 51-49 in the Senate.
Such ingratitude.
This is a fucking insane thing to write, because Musk is saying the quiet part out loud about how you can just buy elections.
He gave Trump over a quarter of a billion dollars in the campaign, bought Twitter to help push misinformation that benefited Trump, and did rallies where he gave million-dollar checks to people for them signing up to vote.
This is what Musk is mad that Trump is ungrateful for.
All of the clearly corrupt shit that they did together in order to make sure that Trump won and Elon's business interests were protected from the government.
The fact that Musk is willing to say something like this on Twitter where nothing can really be unposted is an indication that they are in deep water.
I mean, this is a good example, though, of, like, the media being unable to, regardless of what media you are, unable to say the obvious, to point out the very obvious thing.
Well, at least the Democratic Party is number one at one thing in America.
And that is committing political suicide and having the lowest poll numbers in their history.
They continue to break records in the last year.
They went to their lowest numbers in history about eight months ago, and it continues to drop and drop and drop down to as low as 30% support.
Some polls only about 22%.
And so now we're seeing a mass exodus out of the Democratic Party.
And now the former White House press secretary.
Who always wants you to know that, hey, I'm a lesbian and I'm black, so you gotta do whatever I say, as if we give a shit, lady.
I mean, come on.
We just care about you being a lying front person for the globalist establishment, the ones with World War III and open borders and to cut our son's penises off.
But that aside, she has now come out and said she's now an independent.
I thought this was very funny, that the whole world of InfoWars is essentially breaking apart while they're live on air, and in order to fill some time, they play a pre-recorded report Alex did about former Biden press secretary Corrine Jean-Pierre announcing that she's now an independent.
I don't care about this story at all, and Alex shouldn't either.
I was aware that Jean-Pierre is a black woman, but I actually was thinking about it, I had no idea she was a lesbian.
I'm not sure that I agree that she pushes these things on anyone.
But I'm really glad to see that's totally not why Alex is mad at her.
The reason that a report like this is so funny is that it's a clear indication that the folks at InfoWars had no idea what a big day this was about to be.
Alex is supposed to be a psychic, so it's hard to imagine God not giving him some warning about, like, hey, uh.
The left is trying to ramp up abortion as much as possible.
I'm going to show clip one here in a moment.
This is a scene from a television show, a movie that was popular a couple of years ago, that's resurfaced in response to...
And look, I understand that abortion is a difficult issue for people.
And I understand that people argue on both sides silly arguments.
I'm somebody who happens to be pro-life for multiple reasons, religious and practical.
But I understand that the best way to combat abortion is to combat inflation.
The reason abortions happen is because people get pregnant.
And they don't have enough money to get married or build a life together.
They certainly don't have enough money to raise a child.
And so they decide that they're going to choose to focus on investing in themselves rather than raising a child.
And so they murder an unborn child.
That's what happens.
If you eradicate inflation, then we get to a point where abortion is unnecessary.
But here we are with this clip that was Partially written, apparently, by Planned Parenthood that was supposed to make abortion look good and men look bad.
But we see the tragedy that it is.
This is clip one.
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No, I can't go for a run because I had an abortion yesterday.
In case you're curious, that's a clip from an episode of Girls that aired in 2015.
The Gillian Jacobs character had an abortion.
It wasn't written by Planned Parenthood, but the writers did consult with representatives from Planned Parenthood, so I guess that makes it relevant a decade later.
So let's walk through this.
If some abortions are the result of inflation, and people wouldn't get them if they could afford to raise children, then presumably if you improve people's living conditions, those people would choose not to get an abortion.
This is some typical InfoWard shit where a real world problem exists and because their position on it is monstrous, they pretend that the problem is actually about some completely different topic.
Because his position on it, which is an understandable one.
I disagree with it, but it's an understandable one.
That if somebody had abused one of his relatives or his daughter and they got pregnant as a result.
He was offended that the government would stop his daughter from being able to have an abortion and have to live for nine months with that trauma and go through all that.
And there wasn't really a satisfying result, and I toyed with that idea for such a long time because that's a hard one to respond to.
I mean, totally understand the thinking there.
But then you have to respond with the question, would you murder your grandson in order to save your daughter from a little temporary death?
I have the argument about whether or not these unborn children are human beings with human rights instead of getting tit-for-tat or weird about these other kind of symptomatic issues or debates around it.
I mean, the real debate is whether or not an unborn child has human rights, is a human being.
I'm amazed that Chase is willing to say on air that this is a position he came to as the result of deep thoughts about a difficult argument he heard on Joe Rogan's very intellectual podcast.
I like that he's getting to the point in saying that this is about an argument about whether unborn fetuses have human rights, because society's been over this one and the answer is no.
At least they don't have human rights that supersede the rights of born humans.
Debate is whether or not an unborn child has human rights, is a human being.
And the leftists won't argue in favor of it because they don't have any spiritual sense.
They don't believe in God.
And the right, of course, believes in the insolument.
At conception.
But this Elon Musk conflict with Donald Trump has just escalated in a massive way.
And I don't know what's going on here, but Elon Musk just posted after hours of back and forth between Donald Trump and Elon Musk about the big beautiful bill, about federal contracts, about who's taking advantage of who, about whether we should support it, whether Elon's whining or not about it.
Musk posts, time to drop the really big bomb.
At real Donald Trump is in the Epstein files.
That is the real reason they have not been made public.
Have a nice day, DJT.
He posted that 10 minutes ago, and it's already got a million views.
So you should never be in this position where you have to guess whether or not the richest man in the world is just making up that your president that you got is a pedophile in a comment that he's making publicly to millions of people on the media platform that he owns and bought explicitly to get the guy he's accusing of being a pedophile elected as president.
On the other hand, I'm just going to go off the top of my head with multiple examples of Donald Trump being accused of and proved to be a rapist and then admitting that he was one.
and then when you add a secondary layer of like wait you worked pretty closely with this guy and did you just find this out nope no of course not of course not you had no problem with this until you wanted to weaponize something.
Apparently, explosive tapes recorded by author Michael Wolff show Epstein claiming Trump liked to F his friends, wives, and first slept with Melania on the Lolita Express.
Yeah, this clip reveals another problem that Elon has forced onto the right-wing media.
They all knew about Epstein and Trump's friendship, and they knew about these tapes that Michael Wolff released.
They just pretended not to.
Because Elon is bringing this up, Chase is accidentally reporting on headlines that were supposed to be siloed from the audience.
When Chase brings up this headline and he doesn't know if it's breaking news, what he's inadvertently revealing is that he and his news outlet don't cover Epstein at all.
Unless they can weaponize it.
Even if you think these tapes are bullshit and Trump is innocent, if you take this stuff seriously, you should know about this thing that was in the news less than a year ago.
It's crazy for him to think, is this breaking today?
He's just sitting back with his weasel face, taking pictures, selfies of himself on Air Force One with Elon Musk and Donald Trump knowing, I'm going to put you guys against each other.
I'm going to pitch you guys against each other.
I mean, this is some Game of Thrones trash that is happening right now.
Now we've got to a point where Donald Trump is threatening to pull contracts from SpaceX, absolutely necessary contracts to develop the technology to make humanity interplanetary and simultaneously establish the Golden Dome in orbit so the CCP doesn't literally conquer the world into the 21st century.
And then now you have Elon Musk putting something out that's basically a Molotov cocktail on the face of Donald Trump's reputation.
It's going to alienate him from so much of the base, if it's true.
One of these men is not going to come out with a reputation, and it's all because of Mike Johnson being a fucking asshole.
While everybody talks about Elon Musk versus Donald Trump, you've got that Mike Johnson weasel sitting in the back, twiddling his fingers.
Warby Parker glasses and his perfectly gay haircut.
Folks, we can't let them win.
We have to keep InfoWars on the air.
We have to keep Alex Jones on the air.
And if the courts shut us down and seize all of our property, there is a narrow way forward that we have been formulating for an extended period of time in preparation for this moment.
The major escalation has been that Elon Musk has posted on X amid this controversy about the big, beautiful bill and this apparent falling out between Elon Musk and Donald Trump that it's time to drop the really big bomb.
At real, Donald Trump is in the Epstein files.
That is the real reason they have not been made public.
You're never supposed to attack a stronger enemy head-on.
But when you have two nuclear powers of information and leadership operating simultaneously in the United States of America, when they clash with one another, it's mutually assured destruction taking place right before our eyes.
Now, when we get really obsessed with strong men and create strong men, they really feed into their bullshit and allow them to insulate themselves with, the power of the state and the power of unchecked monopolies over all sorts of business sectors, government contracts getting intertwined with that, making them almost superhuman in some way.
This is really fascinating because it is exactly like whenever Thomas Jefferson and that other guy got into a public letter fight about and he was like, oh, and by the way, Jefferson raped one of his slaves.