#1039: Mystery Babylon #7
In this installment, Dan and Jordan take some time out of their day to learn more about Bill Cooper's plagiarism-riddled lecture series about the mystery religion that apparently runs the world.
May 19, 2025 - Knowledge Fight
01:12:47
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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| Dan and Jordan. | ||
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| Need money. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
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Andy in Kansas. | |
| It's time to pray. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
| Hello, Alex. | ||
| I'm a first time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your word. | ||
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| Knowledge fight.com. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
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I'm Dan. | |
| Jordan! | ||
| We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are. | ||
| Dan? | ||
| Jordan! | ||
| Jordan! | ||
| I have a quick question for you. | ||
| What's up? | ||
| Which bright spot, buddy? | ||
| My bright spot today is actually a dual bright spot. | ||
| Dual bright spot. | ||
| Yes. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Because on Friday, I went out to go see Daniel Schar's show at the Lincoln Lodge, Near Sex for Work. | ||
| And it was great. | ||
| It was a really fun time. | ||
| He has a great one-man show there. | ||
| There's some shows coming up in June in Los Angeles. | ||
| So if we have listeners who are there, I would recommend going. | ||
| I think you'd enjoy it. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| One part of the bright spot was very fun. | ||
| But then the second part was we went. | ||
| We went together. | ||
| You and I went. | ||
| We had a rare night out. | ||
| It was a delight. | ||
| It was a lot of fun. | ||
| That's also my bright spot. | ||
| Well, hey, why not? | ||
| Triple bright spot. | ||
| It was a great time. | ||
| It was a great show. | ||
| We don't have a whole lot of stuff on our social calendar where you and I do something Non-podcast related together. | ||
| And it was really nice to have that time. | ||
| It was a delight. | ||
| Saw some old folks from Comedy Days. | ||
| A couple folks. | ||
| It was nice. | ||
| I mean, it is so much like... | ||
| When you have a truly great time, it's not very much of a story. | ||
| Not really? | ||
| There was a dust storm. | ||
| Exactly! | ||
| That's what it was. | ||
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That was our story. | |
| We were driving there, there was a lot of traffic because of a giant dust storm, and then everything was great. | ||
| Yeah, I got an alert on my phone, an emergency alert that there was a dust storm, and I immediately put it away because I thought it was a joke. | ||
| And then, ten minutes later, we're seeing like... | ||
| Brown clouds basically forming above. | ||
| I'm like, oh, maybe that wasn't a joke. | ||
| But yeah, everybody was safe. | ||
| It was fine. | ||
| It was a good time. | ||
| It was great. | ||
| So, last good time, we've got an episode to do today, Jordan. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And we're going to talk about what that entails in a moment. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks. | ||
| I think that's a great idea. | ||
| So first, beat the eggs, then pour into a medium hot pan with your favorite vegetable oil. | ||
| Keep moving the egg, don't forget to season, then fold while it's nice and runny and bang it onto a plate. | ||
| Add pepper. | ||
| Thank you so much for now, Policy Wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, from Andy in Kansas to Tim in London, thanks for being my best friend for the past 20 years and introducing me to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| And Comrade Skyler, happy birthday. | ||
| Keep on crushing it. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you very much. | ||
| And we get a technocrat at the mix, Jordan. | ||
| So thank you so much to Unicorn Murder Frenzy, the funniest kind of murder frenzies. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a technocrat. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. | ||
| Daddy Shark. | ||
| Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. | ||
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He's a loser little titty baby. | |
| I don't want to hate black people. | ||
| I renounce Jesus Christ. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| Yes, thank you very much. | ||
| So, Jordan, today we've got an episode. | ||
| And, you know, Alex is having a tough time. | ||
| Things are rough. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And I thought we would keep track of, you know, keep checking in on what he's up to, see where he's going in the present day. | ||
| Primary ding-dong day. | ||
| No! | ||
| No! | ||
| I realized it's Sunday. | ||
| Oh, no! | ||
| Sunday. | ||
| Sun. | ||
| Sun god. | ||
| Oh, God, no. | ||
| We're recording this on Sunday, and that means the sun god is upon us, and we must skip away from our primary ding-dong to talk about... | ||
| Mystery of Babylon. | ||
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Oh, man. | |
| You pulled it from the sun. | ||
| I didn't do that. | ||
| That wasn't delivered as well as I hoped it would be. | ||
| It got me. | ||
| It was a surprise enough for me, so it works. | ||
| It works. | ||
| I'll take it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So, Jordan, do you want to try and... | ||
| Catch us up to speed? | ||
| Yeah, assess where we're at. | ||
| As the pupil, the eye of Horus in the sun god Osiris's... | ||
| I think we ended at... | ||
| What I would classify as a solid twist. | ||
| We had a solid twist ending where it was revealed that somehow it was not plagiarism, it was plagiarism all along. | ||
| You see? | ||
| Bill had been stealing from this book by A. Ralph Epperson and then said at the end of the last episode... | ||
| Hey, just to show you that I'm not making this up, I stole all this from this book. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yes, there was a full-on, ah-ha-ha! | ||
| I was doing it! | ||
| Yeah, but meanwhile, he had changed the text along the way to make it appear that he wasn't reading a book. | ||
| But leaving that aside, like, what do we know? | ||
| Oh, oh, uh, boy. | ||
| I wonder. | ||
| I wonder if we know anything. | ||
| Well, the New Age... | ||
| Is an attack on Christianity. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| Horace is... | ||
| But I feel like we left behind the Osiris cult a while back. | ||
| And we're stuck in... | ||
| What was it? | ||
| What was the most recent boogeyman? | ||
| Lord Maitreya? | ||
| Yes, that's right. | ||
| Lord Maitreya. | ||
| The new age coming savior, Lord Maitreya. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, I think we had the sort of establishing of the Osiris stuff. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And the Egyptian nonsense. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then we were jumping all over the place. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it still relates back to them. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But there's nothing connecting. | ||
| We need... | ||
| We're on Witch Watch. | ||
| We need witches. | ||
| I say that we have to have a Knights Templar. | ||
| If there's no Knights Templar... | ||
| Templar's come up here. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Briefly. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| Maybe not in the way you'd want them to. | ||
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Sure. | |
| But I do like the idea of being on Witch Watch. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We gotta have Witch Watch. | ||
| There's gotta be witches. | ||
| So we start off here on lecture number seven. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And Bill begins with just getting to some primary fucking sources. | ||
| Now folks, the Dallas Morning News on October 1st, 1989 published this story. | ||
| Anglican leader calls for unity under Pope. | ||
| The byline is Associated Press. | ||
| Rome, Anglican leader, Archbishop Robert Runcie, calls Saturday for all Christians to accept the Roman Catholic Pope as a common leader presiding in love. | ||
| For the Universal Church, I renew the plea, he said. | ||
| Could not all Christians come to reconsider the kind of primacy the Bishop of Rome, the Pope, exercised within the early Church? | ||
| Again, folks, that was in Dallas Morning News, October 1, 1989. | ||
| So Bill is reading this story trying to set up the idea that there's people trying to create a one-world religion, presumably under the Pope. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that begins with creating one Christianity, and then it expands outward from there. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| In fairness, this is just about the head of the Anglican Church saying that he hoped that they could reunite with the Catholic Church because they're all Christians. | ||
| Or as he put it, quote, the walls of our division do not reach as high as heaven. | ||
| So Runcie's head of ecumenical affairs was quoted in the Duluth News Tribune as saying, quote, talks about closer relations have been going on steadily for 30 years. | ||
| I'm sure it will happen eventually because the founder of Christianity wanted one church. | ||
| That's a little... | ||
| Little poke? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| The founder of Christianity. | ||
| Founder of Christianity. | ||
| That one guy. | ||
| The one guy who did it. | ||
| The guy who gave it his name. | ||
| Yeah, so we're working on it. | ||
| Yep, yep, yep, yep. | ||
| The Anglican Church only exists really because Henry VIII wanted to get divorced and the Pope wouldn't let him, so he created the Church of England, headed by the Archbishop of Canterbury, who would allow the divorce. | ||
| So these two coming back together is less... | ||
| Crazy than all kinds of other sects of Christianity, perhaps, or even other religions uniting. | ||
| No, I feel like it would be a stain on my religious belief theology. | ||
| If I were to just go like, oh, by the way, my entire religious belief is based on one guy wanting to get a divorce and another guy not letting him. | ||
| Sure, sure, yeah. | ||
| The break is there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm not saying that those are the only differences between the two, because they've grown in different directions. | ||
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Of course. | |
| Of course they have. | ||
| But, yeah. | ||
| One's in England, the other's in Rome. | ||
| They're going to go in different directions. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's a couple miles apart. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| What is that, like six miles? | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Well, it depends on what year it is. | ||
| I know that all roads lead to Rome. | ||
| So from England, you could get there. | ||
| Well, they did take over England for a while. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So Bill's got another quote here. | ||
| Another primary fucking source. | ||
| All right. | ||
| This story appeared in the Bakersfield, Californian, August 27th, 1989. | ||
| Baptists and Catholic theologians find common ground. | ||
| Associated Press, New York. | ||
| Southern Baptists and Roman Catholics, the nation's two largest denominations, generally have been regarded as doctrinally far apart, but their scholars find they basically agree. | ||
| The 163-page report is seen as the most full-scale mutual examination of respective positions of the two traditions. | ||
| Achieving it was an unprecedented experience for Southern Baptists, commonly averse to ecumenical affairs. | ||
| The talks, sponsored by the Catholic Bishops' Committee on Ecumenical and Interreligious Affairs, and the Southern Baptist Department of Interfaith Witness, involved 18 meetings between 1978 and 1988. | ||
| Again, that appeared in the Bakersfield, California, on August 27, 1989. | ||
| Now, I want you to listen to me very carefully during this broadcast, for the message tonight is extremely important. | ||
| and understand that I am not attacking Catholics or anyone else. | ||
| I am merely giving you the results of our research, and sometimes the results of this research is disturbing. | ||
| So this... | ||
| I'm glad the bill's not attacking Catholics. | ||
| It's nice of him, yeah. | ||
| He's reading a news story about a report that came out of a series of meetings between Catholics and Southern Baptists over the span of ten years, looking to find their similarities and differences. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| One might ask why these groups decided to sit down and examine their beliefs, and one of the big drivers of it was that there was a real anti-Catholic sentiment in the United States. | ||
| Many of the colonists who came to the United States at the start, they were fleeing from the Church of England, which was basically the same as the Catholic Church to them. | ||
| Over time, this anti-Catholic strain would reappear in things like the Klan and the opposition to JFK's candidacy, and this series of meetings between religious figures was met. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| increase their understanding of each other. | ||
| Like people calling Catholics papists. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And like, oh you, like you don't, why do you revere the saints? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, like all that stuff. | ||
| Leads to tension, misunderstanding, stigma. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So the report stresses that both groups view salvation as God's gift to mankind, but it's also very clear that they take different approaches. | ||
| The Southern Baptist tradition is connected to the Bible and the experience of the individual, whereas the Catholic views it places more importance on tradition, sacraments, and the people of God, the body of the church, as opposed to the individual. | ||
| It is now 2025, and the Baptists and Catholics are still definitely two distinct churches. | ||
| So if this was a major piece of combining them under the Pope into one thing, that effort failed. | ||
| So Bill, I'm not convinced by these news articles that he's collected. | ||
| What I find comforting, and what I find delightful about religion, is that in general, most of these reports... | ||
| Would be exactly identical across all religions. | ||
| General vibes, very similar on the good side. | ||
| What people argue about is, does the bishop actually turn that cracker into Jesus' skin? | ||
| Does he? | ||
| Does he actually do it? | ||
| You don't need to argue about that. | ||
| This literally will come up later. | ||
| I believe it. | ||
| You don't need to argue about it. | ||
| It doesn't help anybody. | ||
| Nobody's getting better Jesus because of Jesus. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yeah, and I think that coordination, not coordination, that's the wrong word, but communication and openness between people, understanding the differences of their beliefs and how they express them. | ||
| I don't think that leads to everybody becoming one thing, but I think it leads to less fighting over the cracker. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| What are we doing? | ||
| Guys? | ||
| Guys? | ||
| Stop? | ||
| What are we doing? | ||
| But at the same time, we can't take away, and Bill will not take away, from the fact that religion has caused the most wars in history. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You see, folks, more wars have been fought and more blood has been shed in the name of religion than any other cause. | ||
| Perhaps all other causes. | ||
| Countless millions have been slaughtered in the name of God, Allah, Buddha, Muhammad, Christ for thousands of years. | ||
| Christian killing Jew, Jew hating Muslim, the Muslim against the Hindu, Christian fighting Christian, Shiite versus Sunni, Sikh against Hindu. | ||
| Endless rivers of blood supposedly shed to rid the world of evil men and make way for peace. | ||
| And of course, it never happens. | ||
| And that's what they say about this new world order. | ||
| That it's going to rid the world of evil men and make way for a thousand years of peace. | ||
| So at this point, I had enough context to try and find out what Bill was plagiarizing this week, and it turns out that he's reading a pamphlet titled, Why Protestants? | ||
| Why Catholics? | ||
| Should Christians Unite? | ||
| This was a tract that was put out by a group called Bible Sabbath, who themselves were cribbing from another source, which they, unlike Bill, were upfront about. | ||
| From their text, quote, This publication contains excerpts from the best-selling classic America in Prophecy by E.G. White, originally published 100 years ago under the title The Great Controversy. | ||
| E.G. White was one of the founders of the Seventh-day Adventist Church, and this piece that Bill's reading is a work of Seventh-day Adventist propaganda, which he's not revealing to the audience. | ||
| It's not a product of research and a fair look at Protestants and Catholics. | ||
| It's a treatise meant to evangelize for a specific other church. | ||
| Bill obscuring the context of what he's reading is a serious breach of ethics, and would lead me to suspect that he's invested in promoting Seventh-day Adventism. | ||
| If that were his goal, that's fine, but he's misleading people by pretending this is some grand piece of research into the New World Order that he and his people have done. | ||
| This is about the mystery religion that runs the world. | ||
| This is just a tract meant to get people to convert to Seventh-day Adventism. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, there is a fine line between evangelism and advertising, isn't there? | ||
| If you can turn both into a very small pamphlet. | ||
| Maybe there's not as much of a difference as you might like. | ||
| This is not a small pamphlet. | ||
| It's 26 pages long. | ||
| That's a long pamphlet. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's a novella. | ||
| Yeah, and actually, by the time this ends, Bill has not even gotten like 10 pages into it, so we may see it continue into episode 8. See, now here's what I expect from my pamphlets. | ||
| More illustrations. | ||
| Hmm. | ||
| I think what you lose in illustrations in this, you gain exclamation points. | ||
| I want to go back to illuminated texts. | ||
| We got to get back to Blake. | ||
| Get back to Robert Blake. | ||
| Different Blake. | ||
| Which Blake? | ||
| Robert Blake's the guy who killed his wife, right? | ||
| Yeah, different Blake. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Painter. | ||
| So Bill is just stealing again. | ||
| He's up to his old tricks. | ||
| And I thought we dealt with this at the end of the last episode. | ||
| But apparently we didn't. | ||
| Could the long desired universal peace be just around the corner? | ||
| Could this succeed? | ||
| Is it actually possible for men to forge a lasting peace on the anvil of compromise? | ||
| Or could it be that we are naively forging not a new world order, but rather the one world order of apocalyptic prophecy? | ||
| Or is it all an invention of the mind of man throughout the ages to manipulate large masses and populations of people? | ||
| I make no judgment, and I do not try to answer all of these questions. | ||
| You must do that in your own mind. | ||
| But I must ask those questions, for many of you have never even thought to ask them. | ||
| While controversial, folks, it is not the purpose of this program, the hour of the time, to disparage or attack the honest convictions of any sincere persons, whatever their politic or faith. | ||
| So in the original text, it says, quote, I don't really know what to say here. | ||
| Like, I don't have a lot of respect left for this guy as a creator at all. | ||
| If you were willing to insert the name of your radio show as the creator of the material that you're reading, when you're just stealing it, it's shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean... | ||
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What are we doing? | |
| He already said it the last time, you know? | ||
| I used to think that at least he put some effort in, and I don't think he does. | ||
| He's just reading a pamphlet to me. | ||
| That bums me out. | ||
| Well, he's reading a pamphlet and periodically sort of ranting a little bit, which is exactly what Alex does, but with tweets. | ||
| So it kind of connects all of this legacy into, like, it makes more sense. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| They're all kind of frauds. | ||
| You wouldn't do this! | ||
| If you wanted to do work, if you wanted to work hard, you would do something that's not this. | ||
| This is there for people who don't want to work at it. | ||
| It's one of two things. | ||
| It's either you don't want to work at it, or you realize that if you did work on it a little bit harder, there's no depth to what you're doing, and you would not be able to create the same appearance. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| If you dwelled on this a little bit longer, you'd be like, well, you know what? | ||
| Maybe the world isn't run by an Osiris cult. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, you know, to a certain extent, there is the profitability areas are digging all the way into it and really giving it everything you've got or staying completely surface level. | ||
| Anything in the middle is worthless. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I think that there's a, I think it's impossible to determine lazy versus like... | ||
| Worried that if you try, you'll invalidate your premise. | ||
| They come out the same. | ||
| It leads to a very lazy like a fox kind of thing. | ||
| You're like, I don't know if I trust any of your bullshit. | ||
| So anyway, we're going to hear him read from this pamphlet for a bit. | ||
| But, despite the fact that this is a religious piece that he's reading, this is not a religious show. | ||
| Is he a Seventh-day Adventist? | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| You see our purpose. | ||
| Is to bring out facts and principles which have a bearing upon coming events. | ||
| For those of you who may not realize that this is not a religious show. | ||
| This is not a religious show. | ||
| This is a show that is designed to educate. | ||
| Illuminate, if you will, and that's very ironic. | ||
| Is it? | ||
| Because we are illuminating those who call themselves illumined. | ||
| So Bill can say that this isn't a religious show, but he's reading an evangelical tract from the Seventh-day Adventists, pretending it's the product of his own research, and presenting it to the audience as a non-religious thing. | ||
| In his head, he might think that what he's doing is educational and not religious, but it doesn't matter. | ||
| His laziness is required that he steal from explicit religious propaganda in order for him to fill time on the show, so this is a religious show. | ||
| Also, in the text it says, quote, its purpose, referring to the text, is to bring out facts and principles which have a bearing upon coming events. | ||
| Bill changed its to our. | ||
| Good stuff. | ||
| Nailing it. | ||
| Yeah, so he's claimed ownership of it by the changing of that word, and that's shit. | ||
| And when you ask, is Bill a Seventh-day Adventist, and I say I don't know, I'm actually not sure he knows. | ||
| Yeah, that's, well, I mean, there's a part of me that... | ||
| My immediate question then is, if this is not a religious show, let's go the other direction. | ||
| What is a religious show? | ||
| What is your benchmark for the amount of religion that can be put into one show, thereby making it a religious show? | ||
| Is the 700 Club a religious show? | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Is the Jim Baker show a religious show? | ||
| He's talking about food buckets a lot of the time. | ||
| That's not really religious. | ||
| What is it an amount of... | ||
| Content? | ||
| That's based on religion? | ||
| Or is it just like, I don't want it to be a religious show? | ||
| I don't want to be looked at as that. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So if that's the case, then you're just lying to me, which makes your religion kind of okay with lying, which is a bad religion. | ||
| So you shouldn't make a religious show. | ||
| You know, it's a really bad religion. | ||
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What? | |
| That band Bad Religion. | ||
| Oh! | ||
| You know it's a bad Black Sabbath. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| I already fucked it up. | ||
| So the issue, too, with the lying is that, like... | ||
| He's not being upfront with the audience what this is. | ||
| And so the religious nature of it isn't even able to be fully understood by the recipient of the information. | ||
| And that, to me, is just like, boof. | ||
| That's dirty. | ||
| That's dirty business. | ||
| I think one of the fun things about these people is that a true guiding light is that the things they are insecure about, they are insecure about... | ||
| For a good reason. | ||
| For most people, I think oftentimes we look upon our insecurities as something that's self-generated to kind of keep us down. | ||
| When this guy goes, I'm not doing a religious show, he's doing that because he is doing a religious show. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he's saying, I'm not making this up because he's essentially making this up. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| The things he's insecure about are like, oh yeah, you should be insecure about those. | ||
| Those are insecure. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Bad foundation. | ||
| So this next clip, just Bill's stealing from the text, and then I just like, I got a real waft of Alex. | ||
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Okay. | |
| As Winston Churchill once observed, folks, the farther backward you can look. | ||
| The farther forward you can see. | ||
| And that is really the secret why my predictions have been so accurate, so accurate that at this moment I am the most successful and accurate prophet on the face of this earth. | ||
| But I'm not really a prophet. | ||
| I'm a messenger. | ||
| And they're not prophecy that I give you. | ||
| They're predictions based upon actual study, research of history and of the plan. | ||
| Of those who call themselves the guardians of the secrets of the ages, the practicers of that religion called Mystery Babylon. | ||
| Listening to that, it's just striking. | ||
| Alex is doing a Bill impression. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is exactly the same kind of game that Alex tries to play with his public persona. | ||
| He's the most successful and accurate prophet on Earth, but he also knows these things because he studies so much. | ||
| He predicted 9-11 because he was studying the globalists and how they operated. | ||
| He knows their plans, but also God told him. | ||
| Also, I'm reading direct word-by-word-for-word other stuff to you. | ||
| I'm not even predicting... | ||
| Yeah, there's nothing there. | ||
| There's a game of prophet and scholar that you are neither, and you pretend to be both, and that is Alex's... | ||
| Whether he stole it from Bill or not, the two of them are peas in a pod. | ||
| It is the perfect amount of, like, people love honesty. | ||
| If you can fake that, you got it made, you know? | ||
| It's just that perfect... | ||
| Let me ask you a question. | ||
| Real quick. | ||
| Do you think that there were a bunch of people around Winston Churchill who were really fed up with his quoting? | ||
| You know, like, him just doing all the, oh, the further forward, just being like, oh, God, not again, man. | ||
| I'm sure with Ben Franklin, they were. | ||
| I don't know if Winston Churchill crossed into the, like, God. | ||
| Annoying with your quips. | ||
| Oh, fuck me. | ||
| You're too quotable. | ||
| Oh, yeah, great. | ||
| Another one. | ||
| Jesus Christ, man! | ||
| Who talks like that? | ||
| Talk to me like a person. | ||
| Right? | ||
| You know, it's these historical figures. | ||
| They were too aware of the fact that they were going to become historical figures. | ||
| So they talk like historical figures all the time. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's annoying. | ||
| Yeah, it's very annoying. | ||
| So, you know, we're trying to wrestle with the question of whether or not Bill is himself a Seventh-day Adventist. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And this started to make me think that maybe he is. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| The nominal conversion of the Roman Emperor Constantine in the early part of the fourth century caused great rejoicing in the world cloaked with a form of righteousness, walked into the church. | ||
| Paganism, while appearing to be vanquished, became the conqueror. | ||
| Pagan doctrine, ceremonies, and superstitions were incorporated into the faith and worship of the professed Wait. | ||
| were changed to permit idols in the church. | ||
| Wait. | ||
| And other changes were made. | ||
| You see, the day of rest was changed from the seventh day to the first day. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because the first day was the date that the pagan religion worshipped the sun. | ||
| Osiris, the light. | ||
| Lucifer, the intellect. | ||
| And so, the pure and simple teachings of Christ were corrupted beyond recognition. | ||
| So about the first half of that clip is Bill reading from this pamphlet, but the other half is him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So when he's talking about the changing of the day of rest of the Sabbath, that's him talking, not reading from the text. | ||
| And that's an important part of Seventh-day Adventism, is the changing of the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. | ||
| See, this is what I'm saying. | ||
| This is the type of shit we're arguing about. | ||
| Days aren't even real, man. | ||
| Days aren't real. | ||
| There's no first or seventh day. | ||
| There's just... | ||
| Time! | ||
| It never begins. | ||
| God doesn't care about days. | ||
| He does. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
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| If you believe in religion or Christianity, then one of the commandments is remember and keep the Sabbath holy. | ||
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Sure. | |
| So, like, I understand where you're coming from, but I also think that it's, you know, you're rejecting one of the big ten. | ||
| Every day's the Sabbath if you want it, you know? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Take a day. | ||
| I guess you could live that way. | ||
| You're going to get into a little bit of a... | ||
| But what do we agree on? | ||
| Do the whole being good to people thing. | ||
| Don't argue about what day it is. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Fine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm less interested in that and more interested in the fact that Bill is expressing one of the cornerstone beliefs. | ||
| Of Seventh-day Adventism. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| One of the places where it becomes like doctrine and practice overlap. | ||
| So it makes me think that he at least is on that. | ||
| Whether or not he is a member of the Seventh-day Adventists, he's on board with that. | ||
| Their belief that the devil changed the day of Sabbath. | ||
| Okay, let me ask you a question. | ||
| If a day was changed early on, if we drop a day, if... | ||
| Early on calendars, just like, oops, we forgot this day. | ||
| Doesn't that mean that they've never done it on the Sabbath? | ||
| Well, what do you mean? | ||
| Well, I mean, if a calendar dropped a day like a thousand years ago, right, then it's actually one day earlier or later than whatever day it is. | ||
| Well, no, because you'd still periodically get it right. | ||
| I mean, it would just be... | ||
| Is that how it works? | ||
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| I genuinely don't know how it works. | ||
| No, it would, because if you went to a six-day week or whatever now, you would still have a Sunday over... | ||
| Every five weeks or so, the Sundays would line up with what they would be on a seven-day calendar. | ||
| Right, okay. | ||
| So you'd still be getting some of them. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But that kind of... | ||
| Ruins the whole, like, missing the day makes everything evil thing, right? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| If you're, like, already missing days, even if you're trying to keep the day. | ||
| So then, you know, don't worry about the day so much. | ||
| Look, I'm not here arguing for days. | ||
| That's not my position. | ||
| I'm just saying, it's very... | ||
| And I'm just saying that that's one of the ten. | ||
| I get where you're coming from, but it's not crazy that someone would care about that. | ||
| Listen, I understand. | ||
| I'm not saying that it is crazy. | ||
| So, Bill, a lot of this is just him on the text. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But he does end up riffing a bit off to the side. | ||
| All right. | ||
| As Christians consented to lower their standards, a union was formed between Christianity and paganism. | ||
| Though the worshipers of idols professed to be converted, they united with the church, still clinging to their idolatry, only changing the objects of their worship to images of Jesus and even of Mary and the saints. | ||
| But they still worshiped the same gods. | ||
| And they always have. | ||
| If you look at an aerial view of the Vatican, you will see that the outer courtyard Is a round temple of the sun, exactly as the Druids and the Celts built. | ||
| Are all round things temples to the sun? | ||
| the symbol of the lost word of Freemasonry, the phallus, the generative force, the penis of Osiris, the obelisk. | ||
| Oh, you see, folks, the Roman Empire never fell. | ||
| It just became the Catholic Church. | ||
| So that part wasn't from the text. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Stuff about the penis and whatever. | ||
| Yeah, that makes sense. | ||
| That was Bill. | ||
| You leave that out of the pamphlet. | ||
| Yeah, he's going off the beaten path a little bit to bring his... | ||
| Osiris penis cult into this. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That would be a bit of a left turn for the rest of this pamphlet to just be like, oh, by the way, all Catholics are worshipping the sun god Osiris and there's a penis. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| Anyways, back to the, let's think about the, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So yeah, I think that there's a preoccupation with phallus. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| That Bill is certainly manifesting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In his studies. | ||
| I mean, it's hard. | ||
| No. | ||
| Once you start looking for penises, you're going to find them all. | ||
| They're everywhere. | ||
| So if you notice a penis, you're just going to see a penis is forever. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| It's rough. | ||
| So Bill is just reading this pamphlet. | ||
| That's most of what this episode is. | ||
| And then at one point, he did this, and I thought it was very strange. | ||
| The Roman Empire never fell. | ||
| It just became... | ||
| The Catholic Church. | ||
| And the Roman Emperor nearly changed his name from Emperor to Pope. | ||
| Now, for those of you who may think that I'm crazy and that I've lost my mind, I'm going to read you verbatim from a book entitled Dungeon, Fire, and Sword. | ||
| It is the complete history of the Knights Templar and the Crusades written by John J. Robinson, author of Born in Blood. | ||
| And I'm going to start at the second, third paragraph on page 414 in the chapter entitled Jesus Wept 1292-1305. | ||
| That's the date. | ||
| Those are dates, folks. | ||
| In London, Edward sent for the master of the Knights Templar in England, Brian DeJay. | ||
| This is really weird. | ||
| Because Bill is specifying the book that he's about to read out of. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We're about 25 minutes into this episode where he's just been stealing from a Seventh-day Adventist pamphlet and he's never shown any interest in telling the listeners where he's getting his script from. | ||
| But now we have a book about the Templars and Bill is telling them what paragraph he's reading. | ||
| This shows me that he knows how to cite a text when he wants to, which makes this general behavior that he engages in even worse. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because this book isn't cited in the pamphlet. | ||
| No. | ||
| Those news articles at the beginning of the episode about the Anglican guy recognizing the Pope, that's all from the pamphlet. | ||
| Everything else has been pretty much just from that pamphlet. | ||
| See, I'm having it backwards. | ||
| You say this shows that he knows how to cite things. | ||
| I say that this shows this man is crazy. | ||
| He's not even plagiarizing right. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like, this is crazy. | ||
| This is just insane behavior. | ||
| No, I disagree. | ||
| I think it shows an awareness that this book could be looked at as a credible source. | ||
| Whereas this Seventh-day Adventist pamphlet isn't something that Bill wants to take responsibility for. | ||
| This is what my entire show is. | ||
| I'm stealing this. | ||
| If it were a more credible source, then maybe he would come out with it. | ||
| This bolsters him. | ||
| Okay, wait. | ||
| So by claiming that he's saying these things, it's... | ||
| Okay, so if he was saying that he was reading from the Seventh-day Adventist pamphlet, people would find him less credible than if he's just reading the Seventh-day Adventist pamphlet, passing it off as something that he's saying. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Whereas with this thing... | ||
| By quoting this book, you increase credibility versus just reading it, which would decrease credibility. | ||
| It makes you look like more of a scholar to cite this book or whatever, but it does not make you look like a scholar to cite a Seventh-day Adventist pamphlet. | ||
| I think that's the aid that this pointing to that book gets you that obscuring the source of the pamphlet doesn't. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know if that's... | ||
| How it works. | ||
| I don't either. | ||
| But if that's the motivation, I can understand what you're saying. | ||
| Yeah, it's a way of me making sense of why he's pointing to this and not the bigger picture. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So he just, I mean, when you understand what he's doing and you see the way he's just stealing shit, it makes clips like this really piss me off. | ||
| Now, so that I may not be accused of invention, folks, everything that I'm giving you in this broadcast is coming right out of the writings of the historians of the Catholic Church, of the Protestant Church, of the Roman Empire, of the Knights Templar, and many others. | ||
| You see, I'm not inventing any of this. | ||
| It happens to be historical fact. | ||
| And if you have eyes and can see, The emperor, now the pope, to gain converts from heathenism, unsound doctrine, superstitious rites, and the adoration of images and relics were gradually introduced into Christian worship. | ||
| To make it look more like... | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It's a double bluff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| I think. | ||
| All right. | ||
| By citing, it's like telling you I'm lying to you as a way of making you trust me. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Sort of. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Also, in the middle of that clip, Bill pivoted back to the original pamphlet. | ||
| The text begins with, quote, to gain converts from heathenism, but Bill added, quote, the emperor, now the pope, at the beginning of it. | ||
| The original source is a passive sentence. | ||
| These images and relics were introduced into Christianity, but Bill has added a subject to the sentence and made it an active sentence, and that's fraud. | ||
| Here's what I'm gonna say. | ||
| I feel like if... | ||
| The Roman Emperor had just turned into the Pope. | ||
| That would be one of the most documented things that has ever happened. | ||
| As he even brings up, all these different historians talking about this, but there would also be people who aren't on team... | ||
| Papacy, right? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| There would be so much documentation of how the Roman Emperor just turned into the Pope. | ||
| That's very important for two massive groups of people who are not necessarily overlaid on top of each other. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's true, but Bill's gotten to the bottom of it by reading a pamphlet. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| So, not only did the Emperor become Pope, then the Pope... | ||
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| You changed hats, I told you. | ||
| Well, yeah, but I mean, would you declare yourself the Pope but secretly so people wouldn't know that you are the Pope? | ||
| But you're not even a cardinal! | ||
| I think the idea is less that the Emperor literally became Pope and more that the papacy took on the role of the Roman Empire and became the de facto Roman Empire while the Roman Empire went away. | ||
| So then the Pope became the Emperor? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That makes more sense. | ||
| I think they're interchangeable. | ||
| I disagree. | ||
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| And then, but either, whatever you believe. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| The Pope became Emperor, Emperor became Pope, whatever. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Pope is now God. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Faith was transferred from Christ, the true foundation of the Christian Church, to the Pope of Rome. | ||
| Instead of trusting in Christ for forgiveness of sins and for eternal salvation, people looked to the Pope and to the priests and prelates to whom he delegated authority. | ||
| They were taught that the Pope was their earthly mediator, and that none could approach God except through him, and further, that he stood in the place of God to them, and was therefore to be implicitly obeyed. | ||
| A deviation from his requirements was cause for the severest punishment to be visited upon the bodies and souls of the offenders. | ||
| Through this error the people were turned from God to fallible erring men. | ||
| Blasphemous titles claimed for the Pope have been embellished and enlarged over the centuries, but a few of these boastful claims appear in an ecclesiastical Roman Catholic dictionary. | ||
| I'm taking this right out of a Roman Catholic dictionary by Lucius Ferraris, entitled Prompta Bibliotheca Tanonica, Volume 6, Pages 438, 442, Article, Pope, the Catholic Encyclopedia, 1913 edition. | ||
| Volume 6, page 48 speaks of this book as a veritable encyclopedia of religious knowledge and a precious mine of information. | ||
| Those are the words of the Vatican. | ||
| Quote, The Pope is of so great dignity and so exalted that he is not a mere man, but as it were, God and the vicar of God. | ||
| Unquote. | ||
| So Bill says that he's taking these quotes from Prompta Bibliotheca Canonica, but he's not. | ||
| This is all still just him reading from the pamphlet. | ||
| The text says, quote, a few of these boastful claims appear in an ecclesiastical dictionary. | ||
| Bill continues to read from the pamphlet, but tells the audience that he's taking it right out of the dictionary. | ||
| And the reason that this is a little bit of an issue is, like, if you are somebody who's, like... | ||
| I'm taking this from Prompta Bibliotheca Canonica. | ||
| That implies that you know that ecclesiastical dictionary. | ||
| It implies that you have read it, that you have gone to find it in search of some kind of information that you're synthesizing together to bring to the audience. | ||
| Instead, all he's done is just read from this pamphlet written by someone who he has no idea who it is, maybe, or at least the audience doesn't. | ||
| Maybe they looked at this. | ||
| Bibliotheca Canonica? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| It's the same way with Alex being like, this is from Carol Quigley, Tragedy and Hope. | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| You're taking this from None Dare Call It Conspiracy or W. Cleon Skousen, and they're claiming to source from that original thing. | ||
| It's a huge difference from, like, I read this book to my unreliable friend Terry told me about this book he read, which, again... | ||
| Terry, very unreliable. | ||
| Not a big reader. | ||
| Yeah, and you're putting on a hat of... | ||
| You're putting on a Bill Cooper investigator hat, and it's garbage. | ||
| It's not cool. | ||
| No. | ||
| This is just illusioning, really. | ||
| I mean, more than anything, this track through these episodes has been just bummering. | ||
| I mean, I think it's fairly consistent with our general ethos, which is, I think, as time has gone on to... | ||
| Greatly dismantle the myth-making that these dum-dums have about themselves. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Because the myth-making is what they make their money off of. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, Bill is just reading from the pamphlet, but, as happened earlier, he gets distracted thinking about dicks. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| At times, it seemed that error and superstition would wholly prevail, and true religion would be banished from the earth. | ||
| The gospel was lost sight of, and the forms of religion were multiplied. | ||
| People were taught not only to look to the Pope as their mediator, but to trust to works of their own to atone for sin. | ||
| Long pilgrimages, acts of penance, the worship of relics, the erection of churches, shrines, and altars, the payment of large sums to the church, these and many similar acts were enjoined to appease the wrath of God or to secure his favor. | ||
| As if God were like men, to be angered at trifles or pacified by gifts or acts of penance, and even then the church still worshipped the old church. | ||
| For in dismantling churches for renovation throughout Europe, Throughout Europe, without exception, and the older the church, the more likely it was to be true. | ||
| Enshrined within the altar, out of sight of the priests and the worshippers, were found stone penises, symbols of the lost word of Freemasonry, the phallus of Osiris. | ||
| Again, this is not from the pamphlet. | ||
| That part wasn't from the pamphlet. | ||
| Okay, so how do leap days affect the whole Sabbath? | ||
| Like, because God didn't add a day. | ||
| Yeah, he did. | ||
| Well, but I mean, you know, like every four years, you know what I'm saying? | ||
| Like, there's still seven days in the week, right? | ||
| So, but we just add another one, but that doesn't change the seven days in the week thing. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| We just add another day, so that's... | ||
| How about daylight savings? | ||
| What about time zones? | ||
| This is what I'm saying. | ||
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How do you do the day thing? | |
| Based on time zones, right now... | ||
| Time zones! | ||
| Exactly where we are, it's a holy time, but maybe not across the world. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Oh, God, man. | ||
| That's tough. | ||
| That's tough. | ||
| It is tough. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I hope they're doing all right with it. | ||
| I think they are. | ||
| I think you're the one who's having a real problem. | ||
| So, Bill discusses how he's, like, really into religious tolerance. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And that's something that I think you have to have if you want to pretend to be libertarian. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Now, once again, I want to tell you, we're not attacking anyone. | ||
| I care not what you believe. | ||
| I care not what altar you worship at, for I am a true constitutionalist. | ||
| It makes no difference to any of you what my religion is, although I will freely tell you that I attempt in my daily life to follow the true words of Christ, not the doctrine of the preachings of any church or any evangelist or any book, but those words attributed to Christ and only to Christ. | ||
| And, as the rock upon which those words stand, So I guess the Ten Commandments doesn't include don't plagiarize. | ||
| So Bill might be in the clear on that. | ||
| So Beale's all about this religious tolerance, and that's fine. | ||
| You worship at whatever altar you want, unless it's Osiris' penis. | ||
| Why is that the exception? | ||
| Why have we carved out this one thing that I can't have? | ||
| What if I want to worship Osiris' penis? | ||
| You can't worship Osiris' penis because that's the original religion that's a corruption of the later religion that I believe in. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Do you know what? | ||
| Shouldn't, like, okay, I understand on some level this idea that there is a group of people who have undue influence and are controlling levers of power around the world. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| And they worship Osiris' penis. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| Worshipping Osiris' penis is not the problem. | ||
| It isn't the problem. | ||
| No, it's the structural world where people have... | ||
| A very small group of people have outsized levels of power. | ||
| You could address that and allow people to still worship Osiris' penis if you want. | ||
| I mean, you could even argue that if the real problem is a small number of people having an outsized influence over the rest of our lives, that presents the exact same problem for his belief system as it does for theirs. | ||
| It would. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it seems like we should keep this in the realm of reality if we want our criticisms to have any hope. | ||
| Of fixing the problems that exist. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| As opposed to creating an Egyptian mystery cult. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That we're fighting. | ||
| It does seem like you have a point. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If you fight demons, you're going to end up solving demon-type problems as opposed to people being starving or... | ||
| You know, the imbalance of wealth, things like that. | ||
| Those aren't demon problems. | ||
| I would go so far as to say this, right? | ||
| When he's going like, I follow... | ||
| He doesn't say the word of Christ. | ||
| He says, I follow the true word of Christ. | ||
| Attributed. | ||
| Which, if you pull back, is like, you're not saying that. | ||
| You're starting a fight. | ||
| What you want to do is fight with people over their... | ||
| Right? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And when you say the true words attributed to Christ, you are making an underlying statement of I know which words are attributed correctly and which aren't. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it's more dividing. | ||
| Yeah, removing faith from the equation, essentially. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Bill goes on reading this pamphlet, and I thought this was a fun little screw-up that he makes. | ||
| The scriptural ordinance of the Lord's Supper was supplanted by the idolatrous sacrifice of the Mass. | ||
| Papist priests pretended by their senseless mummery to convert the simple bread and wine into the actual body and blood of Christ. | ||
| And those are the exact words, body and blood of Christ, written by Cardinal Wiseman. | ||
| The real presence of the body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ in the Blessed Eucharist proved from Scripture, Lecture 8, Section 3, Paragraph 26. But no Scripture is quoted. | ||
| So you can tell there that Bill didn't realize that, quote, "the real presence of the body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ in the blessed Eucharist proved from scripture is the name Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And that's because he didn't know what was... | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Practice! | ||
| Do another take! | ||
| You can't. | ||
| This is live on the radio. | ||
| Well, then practice reading the book that you're stealing. | ||
| Okay, that's the thing. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| If you are just reading a book, then you can practice reading the book so you don't... | ||
| Make these mistakes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You can clean it up a little. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Put a line through things that you don't want to read on the air. | ||
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| Right, right, right. | ||
| Extemporaneous speech, you can make those mistakes, no big deal, because that's just, listen, it's just popping out of your fucking face, right? | ||
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| But he's too late. | ||
| If you had the gumption and the work ethic necessary to practice reading the book, you wouldn't read the book on the air. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| It's the, you know, we used to talk about the evil, dumb question. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I think that it's evolved into lazy versus worried that effort would reveal you're full of shit. | ||
| That's kind of the new tension that I feel. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| So a lot of this has seemed to be pretty down on them Catholics. | ||
| The Pope. | ||
| Is the Roman Emperor all this nonsense? | ||
| But hey man, don't get it twisted. | ||
| Bill doesn't like Protestants either. | ||
| Protestantism, folks, began in the Reformation. | ||
| When Martin Luther rebelled against the Pope, but did you know that Martin Luther used as his personal seal the rose and the cross? | ||
| Revealing that he himself was an initiate of the Mystery School, the ancient religion of Babylon. | ||
| You see, I'm not attacking anyone, and I'm not putting anyone on a pedestal. | ||
| I'm not tearing down the Vatican in order to build up the Protestant Church, for they are equally guilty. | ||
| Protestantism has... | ||
| Fractured the teachings of Christ into thousands of sects and cults and little groups, all of them professing to know the truth. | ||
| None of them really do. | ||
| The Holy Scriptures were almost unknown, not only to the people, but to the priests. | ||
| God's law, the standard of righteousness in those days having been removed, paphist leaders exercised power without limit and practiced vice without restraint. | ||
| Fraud, avarice, and profligacy prevailed. | ||
| So Bill is trying to say that he's calling it like it is. | ||
| He's not trying to tear down Catholicism to prop up Protestantism. | ||
| He's creating this image of himself to pretend that he's an unbiased, outside, academic source on this issue. | ||
| But if you understand the source he's plagiarizing this show from, you can clearly say that he's not tearing down Catholicism to prop up Protestantism. | ||
| He's tearing them all down to prop up Seventh-day Adventism. | ||
| He hasn't been forthright about any of this, but the hidden implication underneath him saying that all these sects don't have Christianity right is that the Seventh-day Adventists do. | ||
| Otherwise, why would he be stealing his entire show from a tract espousing their religion as the one correct one? | ||
| Why would he be presenting this pamphlet's Seventh-day Adventist perspective on Catholic history as the unbiased full truth? | ||
| This isn't some dipshit conspiracy text that Bill is stealing this from. | ||
| It's a booklet meant to persuade the reader to become Seventh-day Adventist. | ||
| By obscuring the source of way... | ||
| where his words are coming from and presenting it as the product of his years of historical study, Bill is wittingly or unwittingly evangelizing for Seventh-day Adventism. | ||
| It always matters where he's getting his information from, but in this case, it matters in a deeper way. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This, this, um. | ||
| This plagiarism is different. | ||
| It's different than just some stealing from a conspiracy book. | ||
| Yeah, especially when you're talking about religion. | ||
| Because in a sense, aren't you trying to trick people into God? | ||
| And if you're trying to trick people into God, doesn't that kind of imply that God is in need of help? | ||
| He's not selling things on his own. | ||
| Well, he could sell things on his own, but, like, the Protestantism has fractured the true message of God into a thousand little cults and all of this. | ||
| So, like, yeah, his message resonates, and it's good, but there's just too many distracting other variants of it around. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because you think he can't handle that? | ||
| Well, I think he'd rather you handle it. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Well, fair enough. | ||
| I think that's the exciting part of free will. | ||
| So, I mean, but then you're going into, well, then now you're tricking people again. | ||
| Why are you tricking people? | ||
| I'm not. | ||
| They are. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| Why are they tricking people? | ||
| Well, they are because they're wrong. | ||
| They're misguided. | ||
| Not me. | ||
| Well, yeah, but you're not telling me about the pamphlet. | ||
| You're telling me that you're saying it, not the pamphlet. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah, but if I told you it was the pamphlet, then I'd... | ||
| I mean, like, what good am I? | ||
| Right! | ||
| That's the trick! | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yes, that's where you're tricking me. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Shouldn't that be not okay? | ||
| It should be, and I don't think it is. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But Bill got away with it. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| So he plagiarizes a lot, and he changes these things to make it look like something that he's reading is actually his show and all that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And most of the time, the differences that he makes... | ||
| I can tell, okay, what the purpose this serves. | ||
| In this clip, he changes one word, and I'm not sure why. | ||
| The palaces of popes and prelates were scenes of the vilest debauchery. | ||
| Some of the reigning pontiffs were guilty of crimes so revolting that secular rulers endeavored to depose these dignitaries of the church as monsters too vile to be tolerated. | ||
| For centuries, Europe made no progress in learning arts or civilization. | ||
| A moral and intellectual paralysis had fallen upon the world. | ||
| So he's just reading from the text, but he changed the last word there from Christendom to the world. | ||
| That's a strange choice to make, and I'm not sure exactly what I think, but I have a couple of possibilities. | ||
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Okay. | |
| One is that Bill thinks that Christendom and the world are synonymous, so making that change doesn't seem like a big deal to him. | ||
| Everything outside the Christian world isn't really even real. | ||
| The other possibility is that Bill's point in this series is bigger than Christendom, whereas this text that he's reading is really about internal issues within Christianity. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| It's narrowly focused on the corrupting of the Christian church and how the true church is the Seventh-day Adventists. | ||
| I think it's possible that Bill felt that the scope of his lecture was limited by the word Christendom, so he changed it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| It's a weird change of one word that he doesn't, it doesn't happen a lot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| as I was following along with his script. | ||
| Yeah, his changes are, I think, Either mistakes or deliberate. | ||
| And it feels like this one has to be deliberate. | ||
| You can't make a mistake from Christendom to the world. | ||
| It feels like a choice that he's making as he's reading. | ||
| And when you're saying they're deliberate... | ||
| Oftentimes the deliberateness is meant to obscure the theft. | ||
| It's not deliberate in a way always to change a word, to change the source into saying something that it's not. | ||
| That isn't often the kind of editing that he's doing. | ||
| It's to hide, like, oh, I'm just reading a text. | ||
| So this actually is a different word. | ||
| Christendom and the world are different. | ||
| Well, I mean, the reason I bring that up is because it makes me think that he thinks that switching Christendom to the world means it's less likely for people to realize that he is plagiarizing. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| I don't think so because there's so much verbatim reading. | ||
| Well, I mean, I'm just saying that if you have the reason that he changes other words, and then he changes another word... | ||
| I think that he... | ||
| No, see, that's where I can't make that connection. | ||
| These other instances where he changes this book to this show, that's to make it palatable as a listener of his broadcast, so you're not raising too many questions in your head about what's the provenance of this. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Christendom to the world, I don't think it changes that. | ||
| I don't think it has any connection to how the listener is going to hear it. | ||
| Which makes me think that it is about, like... | ||
| I'm supposed to be talking about Osiris' penis and shit. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Not just Christendom. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, it has to... | ||
| It has a... | ||
| You can't say you're not doing a religious show if then you're concerned only with Christendom. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| It narrows things. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| To religion. | ||
| It's a religious show to only be concerned with Christendom. | ||
| And I think that's part of a different kind of plagiarism that's on display here. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| There's the cover-up. | ||
| plagiarism that we've seen consistently. | ||
| And this is changing the text itself to make a different point. | ||
| Co-option. | ||
| So I thought that was interesting. | ||
| I do think that. | ||
| Yeah, I agree. | ||
| I think that's very interesting. | ||
| Because you're right, it does feel like there is a different element of intent behind it. | ||
| Yeah, and it's something that you just kind of have to look at and guess what the motivation exactly was. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's something... | ||
| And honestly, it could be as simple as just like your brain replaced a word in the moment. | ||
| It's possible. | ||
| Or there could be intent behind it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's hard to say. | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| It's mysterious and not least of which because it is visible fingerprints of the man. | ||
| We thought that we were dealing with the man and now we can see that he's just reading and so all that's left are these little tiny crumbs of... | ||
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Little clues. | |
| Yeah, what's inside your brain. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So something else that you can assess this by is we have a lot of time sets. | ||
| This is like 93, you know, that he's doing these. | ||
| So we've had 30 years? | ||
| Quite a few. | ||
| 32 years since to find out if his predictions come true. | ||
| 32 years is a long time. | ||
| There's a lot of predictions that happen within 32 years. | ||
| So he's got to be right about several of them. | ||
| And he's such a great prophet. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Foremost, among those who were called to leave the church from the darkness of potpourri into the light of a purer faith, stood Martin Luther. | ||
| And this is what people believe, but Martin Luther himself... | ||
| was an initiate of the mystery schools. | ||
| Do they? | ||
| A follower of the faith of Mystery Babylon, as was the Pope and the hierarchy of the Catholic Church. | ||
| You see, but they were vying for rulership of the world, and up until not too long ago, Have always been throughout history. | ||
| For the Vatican practices the corrupted worship of Mystery Babylon, the combination of Christianity and the worship of Mystery Babylon, whereas the mystery schools retain the pure form of Mystery Babylon. | ||
| What? | ||
| And this is the only difference between the two folks, and they have been vying throughout history for the rulership of the world. | ||
| Mystery Babylon attempting to destroy the Pope and Christianity, and the Pope attempting to persecute and burn away the followers, the initiates of Mystery Babylon. | ||
| But they're the same guys. | ||
| And it has always been the goal of the worshippers of Mystery Babylon to speak one of their own upon the throne of the Vatican. | ||
| But they already do. | ||
| They have succeeded. | ||
| They have succeeded. | ||
| Folks, and now you are seeing the beginning of the combination of all religions into one world religion. | ||
| And while the world and the New Age movement may be waiting for the emergence of Maitreya, I tell you now here, and remember, that I have been the most accurate in making predictions about future world events. | ||
| than anyone in the history of the world. | ||
| Based upon study and knowledge, not psychic ability, not any gift given to me from God, although I am a mess. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| I tell you that in the New World Order, the one world charismatic and religious leader will be seated upon the throne of Rome. | ||
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October. | |
| Mark my words. | ||
| I have marked them. | ||
| So, John Paul II is the mystery Babylon putting one of their own into the popehood. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So there hasn't come a one-world church sense. | ||
| So this seems wrong. | ||
| He seems wrong. | ||
| I would like a plausible-sounding series of events that... | ||
| Ends with the Pope being head religious guy of all religions. | ||
| Everybody dies except the Pope and a couple of... | ||
| Bishops. | ||
| That sounds right. | ||
| That sounds about right. | ||
| I bet, but you know what? | ||
| I bet they would start fighting after a few weeks. | ||
| Yeah, but for a while there would be one world religion. | ||
| For a while there would be one world religion. | ||
| Yeah, it would be a brief window, but it would happen. | ||
| Somebody's selling tickets to heaven and we're all, we're back to square fucking one. | ||
| Yeah, this prophecy would come true in that circumstance for a bit. | ||
| For a short period of time. | ||
| So I feel like you were having a little bit of difficulty understanding what was going on with... | ||
| Well... | ||
| If I understand correctly, the papacy already is the combination of the corrupted Mystery of Babylon and Christianity thing. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But Mystery of Babylon is already a corrupted version of Christianity? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Well, then it all makes sense. | ||
| So Mystery of Babylon is the pure stuff. | ||
| But it's a corrupted version of Christianity. | ||
| But it's the good stuff. | ||
| It's the good, corrupted version. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| I don't mean good in a good, bad sense. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| It's the pure. | ||
| It's the hit. | ||
| It's the good. | ||
| It's the Breaking Bad blue meth. | ||
| 200 proof alcohol. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| I got you. | ||
| You know, we're talking. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| And so the Catholic Church and the papacy, they took some of these booze. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And they distilled it down with a mixer. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Which is Christianity. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so now they're a cocktail. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, I'm following along. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And the cocktail and the booze are fighting. | ||
| Right. | ||
| This I do get. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| And then Christians are, I guess, sober. | ||
| But so then... | ||
| Because, yeah, the Christians are the cocktail mixer. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So they're like orange juice. | ||
| But one of them... | ||
| The Mystery of Babylon wanted to get one of theirs onto the Pope thing. | ||
| Which was mixing the cocktail. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But they were already there. | ||
| No. | ||
| Because in this conception, basically getting the Popes and the Catholic Church to give in to idolatry in the form of saints and the Virgin Mary. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Took away one of the main commandments. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And then changing the holy day to Sunday is another one of the commandments. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And so that's where you have the mixing of the cocktail. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So, yeah, I don't know. | ||
| No, listen, I appreciate a convoluted argument as much as the next guy. | ||
| This feels crazy. | ||
| I don't think it seems as crazy as you're experiencing it. | ||
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Okay. | |
| I think that you have one line, and that is Christianity. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You got the Pope, and then that's taken over by the mystery religions. | ||
| Who meld into... | ||
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Right. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| I like you saying that I'm not as confused as I should be, and yet somehow here we are. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Give me my chalkboard. | ||
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I was going to say, okay, Mr. Peabody. | |
| So, back then. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| The Catholic and the Popes and that whole world, it's influenced by the mystery religions, but it's not taken over. | ||
| But it's not taken over by them. | ||
| They're doing a little dipping in and out whenever they find something they like. | ||
| Well, or they've wielded influence over society to the point where Catholics have gone along with the paganism of the world. | ||
| But they haven't taken it over. | ||
| And so the Catholic Church and the Mystery Babylon are at war with each other, trying to destroy each other. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And now Mystery Babylon has placed John Paul II into the papacy, which will bring about one world religion as evidenced by the news stories at the beginning of this Seventh-day Adventist pamphlet that Bill is reading and pretending is his own work. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And this is bad. | ||
| It's real bad. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Oh, bull. | ||
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So... | |
| Fine. | ||
| If that's what you... | ||
| Yeah, okay. | ||
| If that's what you're writing your pamphlet about, all right, man. | ||
| And so that's where Bill runs out of time. | ||
| I think it's a good place to run out of time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I think that I'm curious on one level of, like, there's still plenty more of this pamphlet left to go. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So I'm curious if Bill is going to pick up with that or if we're going to jump onto another source for him to rip off. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Because I think that he's gotten most of what he needed to get out of this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I guess that, like, the Mystery Babylon folks infused their beliefs into the Catholic Church. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And also are responsible for Protestantism. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So most of Christianity is corrupted. | ||
| Okay, so my picture of the Mystery Babylon as it's coming together, what I'm seeing is that I think Bill has an idea in his head of how all of these books that he's fans of are actually talking about the same thing, but they don't know it. | ||
| So what he's doing is he's reading all of these books to you under the auspices of somebody who has made these connections and removed the individual authors from their... | ||
| places as creators. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And has essentially created a mosaic out of their stuff without telling you that he's stolen from their magazines. | ||
| And changed pieces of their primary sources without even letting you know that they're a primary source that's being changed. | ||
| Like the Christendom to the world change. | ||
| Like that's not approved by the author. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I agree. | ||
| I think that what this series has become, or what it appears to be, is someone connecting on connection Right. | ||
| If I only show you the parts that I want you to see, it looks like all of these things are one big mishmash. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In a way, it's kind of like Alex editing together clips of his old show to make himself look like a prophet. | ||
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Yep. | |
| You know, there's a selected view that you're allowed to have as the listener. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it's like when you've got those light sculptures, those shadow sculptures where it's a bunch of random trash, but then you put the light on at the right angle and it's a face. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| It's fraud. | ||
| It's fraud! | ||
| That's, yeah, because it's not actually a face. | ||
| It's just like... | ||
| Or basic trickery, I guess. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| So I'm excited to learn more, I guess. | ||
| But we'll get back to our primary ding-dong and see how he's doing with the new pope and all kinds of other things. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| All kinds of weirdness. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| But until we're back, we have a website. | ||
| Indeed we do. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| We'll be back. | ||
| But until then, I'm Neo. | ||
| I'm Leo. | ||
| I'm DZX Clark. | ||
| I am the Mysterious Professor. | ||
| And now here comes the sex robot. | ||
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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | |
| Thanks for holding. | ||
| Hello, Alex. | ||
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. |
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