#1037: May 12, 2025
In this installment, Dan and Jordan check in to see what Alex thinks about Trump's recent actions on prescription drugs, Chinese tariffs, and jets from Qatar.
May 14, 2025 - Knowledge Fight
01:17:21
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| It's time to pray. | ||
| I have great respect for knowledge fight. | ||
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys. | ||
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| Dan and Jordan. | ||
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| Need money. | ||
|
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Andy in Kansas. | |
| Stop it. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| It's time to pray. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
|
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Thanks for holding me. | |
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your room. | ||
|
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Knowledge Fight. | |
| KnowledgeFight.com. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are. | ||
| Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Quick question for you. | ||
| What's up? | ||
| What's your bright spot today, buddy? | ||
| You go first. | ||
| My bright spot is Expedition 33. Oh, okay. | ||
| This video game is amazing. | ||
| Yeah, you were telling me a little before we started recording. | ||
| Love it. | ||
| You like the French? | ||
|
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Ah. | |
| Ah, man, it's just great. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I do like the French angle to it. | ||
| I think that's fun. | ||
| The French angle. | ||
| That game is deeply French. | ||
| It is deeply French. | ||
| It is so fucking French. | ||
| Yeah, which is fun. | ||
| It's just, like, video games in my head from, because where we grew up in this world has been, like, it is so heavily influenced by Japan. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Especially RPGs. | ||
| You know, like, the JRPG is such a massive part of growing up that the language in and of itself is a whole thing. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And then to just suddenly be hit with some French, like, ooh, look at that guy's mustache. | ||
| At times, do you not think it's too French? | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I mean, nobody has yet gone, ha, ha, ha, ha. | ||
| No? | ||
|
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So it is possible that I will get to him. | |
| I thought there was one character who just speaks in ha, ha, ha. | ||
| There was a guy. | ||
| Have you reached a point in the game yet where you find an unlockable weapon that is a baguette? | ||
| No, not yet. | ||
| That would be too French. | ||
| I assume that a baguette is coming. | ||
| That's too French. | ||
| Two days old. | ||
|
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Two days old is the baguette time for murder. | |
| Everybody knows that. | ||
| Yeah, I'm glad you're enjoying that. | ||
| I tried to play it and it wasn't my cup of tea or cup of van. | ||
| Ah, nice. | ||
| But yeah, I'm glad you're enjoying it. | ||
| Yeah, that's great. | ||
| What's your favorite character so far? | ||
| Mael is a world destroyer. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| She is... | ||
| I've got... | ||
| I think right now, early on, part of the struggle for me is that I've got this, like... | ||
| Three-person combo set up. | ||
| So it's boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. | ||
| And then the fight's over. | ||
| And Mayel is just at the end of that. | ||
| She is the denouement. | ||
| So I enjoy her immensely. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Awesome. | ||
| Did you have fun with anybody? | ||
| I had no strong feelings about anybody that I encountered, except for they were fucking friends. | ||
| Gustave! | ||
| You're like Gustave! | ||
| Fucking Lumiere or Gaston or some shit. | ||
| No, I thought it was a great game, but it just wasn't for me. | ||
| I can't do those timing things. | ||
| Like, it's very, very hard for me, and I just can't get good at it. | ||
| Totally get it. | ||
| So I set it down. | ||
| I may get back to it one day, because it is gorgeous. | ||
| It's beautiful. | ||
| And the narrative of it is very gripping. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, like, I would like the story. | ||
| I'd like to know more of the story. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's fantastic so far. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| What's your price, Bob? | ||
| Tribune. | ||
| My bright spot is Jordan. | ||
| You're usual suspects-ing me, but you're verbal kinting. | ||
| You're looking at the walls like, Kobayashi! | ||
| Where's Kobayashi, goddammit? | ||
| No. | ||
| So my bright spot is not a bright spot. | ||
| It's a negative spot. | ||
| It is a boo spot. | ||
| Okay, okay, okay. | ||
| And that is, I went to the grocery store that we shan't name. | ||
| No plugs. | ||
| I was wearing the pinky ring. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So this was a pinky ring experience. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And I think it was partially, I think the pinky ring played into it a little bit. | ||
| Okay! | ||
| Because I saw a cheesecake, a mocha cheesecake for sale. | ||
| I had seen it before, and I'd said no. | ||
| And I was there this time with the pinky ring. | ||
| With the pinky ring. | ||
| So you believe that the pinky ring influenced you towards the cake? | ||
| I think it might have given me a little bit of a devil-may-care attitude. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And I bought the mocha cheesecake. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And it was trash. | ||
| I ask you this question. | ||
| Do you think... | ||
| That over time, if we were to really map out your behaviors, there would be a trend towards a riskier set of behaviors with pinky ring as opposed to without. | ||
| I wonder. | ||
| Don't we all? | ||
| I think, yes. | ||
| I bet there is. | ||
| But I also, I don't know how risky, quantitatively, a cheesecake is. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Listen, that's fair. | ||
| I mean, it's a mocha cheesecake, though, so you never know what you're going to get there. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, depending on how we set the variables and everything, I think you would find that, but I bet it would be, like, a very incremental, tiny little bit of added risk. | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
| But that's what happens when you're cool. | ||
| I mean, yeah, absolutely. | ||
| You get a cheesecake. | ||
| Anyway, it sucked. | ||
| It was a bad cheesecake. | ||
| I didn't enjoy it. | ||
| Um, boo. | ||
| I like the idea that you were eating the cheesecake and then you took the ring off and then you were like, ah, I hate this cheesecake. | ||
| I don't want to speak bad while I'm wearing the ring. | ||
| As soon as I took the ring off, I realized it was a bad purchase. | ||
| It was a bad purchase. | ||
| I've made a mistake. | ||
| But I guess it could still be a bright spot because I felt the freedom to buy this cheesecake. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
|
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I guess. | |
| Negative experiences are positive experiences over time. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Makes sense. | ||
| You learn the things you don't want. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Like more mocha cheesecake. | ||
| Makes perfect sense. | ||
| So, Jordan, today we've got an episode to go over. | ||
| All right. | ||
| We're going to be talking about May 12th, 2025. | ||
| Alex was out of studio for Friday and then Sunday. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And so now he's back. | ||
| On Monday. | ||
| All right. | ||
| And, yeah, I think that he's a sad man. | ||
| He's a sad, sad man. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And we'll talk about it. | ||
| But first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks. | ||
| Oh, that's a great idea. | ||
| So first, Nick, you're a loser little tidbit, baby. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| From Carrie, Phoenix, I love you more than anything in the whole wide Monster Hunter world. | ||
| See you in Startling City. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| And I removed an InfoWars bumper sticker off a utility box two hours south of the Arctic. | ||
| Fuck you, Alex. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan. | ||
| So thank you so much, too. | ||
| I want my mom to know that I made something of myself, and I am now a policy wonk. | ||
| Correction. | ||
| You're now a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
|
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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. | |
| Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. | ||
| Daddy Shark. | ||
| Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. | ||
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He's a loser little titty baby. | |
| I don't want to hate black people. | ||
| I renounce Jesus Christ. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Yes, thank you very much. | ||
| So, I felt like this episode is a grim picture of Alex. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I think it's a very... | ||
| Like, as much as everything about him... | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Like, a lot of the political beliefs and, you know, all that. | ||
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Sure. | |
| The fact that he's a huge old liar. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| All that sucks. | ||
| But man, this just felt weak. | ||
| And I think you'll understand why as we get through it. | ||
| It's just, you never want to live long enough to become this if you're someone like Alex. | ||
| So we start off with him covering some news about China and tariffs and trade. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Now the stock market's up with six. | ||
| Percent right now. | ||
| But that's not the real indicator of the economy. | ||
| That's what they just try to use to manipulate people. | ||
| China completely capitulated. | ||
| And the corporate media is, oh my God, Trump backed off his tariffs. | ||
| Trump totally surrendered. | ||
| No. | ||
| China did what Trump asked them to do eight years ago. | ||
| And tried to do. | ||
| And even the Democrats passed trade policy and continued Trump's trade policy, but the Chinese in Switzerland told the Treasury Secretary, and he's on record now, we have the clip coming up, they said, listen, we already did the deal and you didn't enforce it. | ||
| So now there's this 90 days to implement all the finer pieces of it, but it will go through because China is on the verge of total collapse. | ||
| You are not going to see the corporate media tell you that. | ||
| You would think Trump is the biggest moron on earth. | ||
| So there was a major breakthrough in the trade negotiations between the United States and China, but it's kind of silly to say that China capitulated. | ||
| In the past months, Trump has imposed and stalled and then imposed giant tariffs on Chinese imports into the United States. | ||
| In response, China has put retaliatory tariffs in place and then has had the effect of basically creating an unofficial embargo between these two giant trading partners. | ||
| It was very dumb and unnecessary. | ||
| And then in April, China had added export restrictions on rare earth minerals and they'd done a bunch of other adjustments to their relation to the United States, not necessarily just involving trade or tariffs. | ||
| This agreement that they struck involved dropping those pointless tariffs that Trump had initiated, and as part of the deal, China's going to drop all the other stuff that they were doing in response to those tariffs. | ||
| We're essentially back where we started, but also clearly worse off. | ||
| In terms of international relations, I think that this whole affair paints China as a much more reliable and trustworthy trading partner, and it also kind of reveals that they have a bit more leverage than Trump and Alex want to admit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Move the needle. | ||
| No, it makes sense. | ||
| Anyway, this agreement is just to lower the tariffs for 90 days, so we'll see what happens in the meantime and when that clock runs out. | ||
| I would predict more chaos and stupidity. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But, you know. | ||
| Yeah, there's a part of me that feels like we shouldn't be, nobody should be getting any updates on any of this, because God knows what's happening. | ||
| I don't think they know what's happening. | ||
| I think us knowing anything only makes things more confusing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think Alex having any bits of things to hang on to is bad. | ||
| You know, like, we should all just wait because fucking, I don't know what's going on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| And I think that Trump and his administration have such a lack of credibility that, like, them coming out and saying, like, Oh, man, we worked out a great deal here. | ||
| Makes me feel like, um, I don't think you did. | ||
| Yeah, there's no way. | ||
| It doesn't look like it. | ||
| And this whole, like, well, 90 days. | ||
| That, I don't like that as a media strategy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because I think that this has happened a bit where it's like 30-day pause on this stuff. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that just kicks the can down the road and people's attention will be gone by the time this time runs out. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Oh, well. | ||
| Yeah, that's the problem with getting the wrong kind of news. | ||
| Would you say, though, that that is kind of the art of the deal? | ||
| Ooh. | ||
| I'll just throw this out at you, okay? | ||
| Now, I don't know what's going on. | ||
| I'm not sure about negotiations, and I'm not an economist, so I don't know what levers push what and make what happen. | ||
| But I will say that as far as negotiations go, in history... | ||
| From what I understand, if you are in a weak position, you are probably going to have to give up more in the negotiations than you will receive. | ||
| So you want to be in a stronger position within those negotiations. | ||
| Now, perhaps... | ||
| Putting all of your political capital on suddenly being an asshole might be a weak position in a trade negotiation. | ||
| Yeah, or it could be a way to artificially create the appearance of strength. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Which indicates weakness. | ||
| In reality, when you're negotiating with China, you will find yourself in a weak position. | ||
| But you look like you're the big guy with your big shoulders all up all over everywhere. | ||
| It does. | ||
| I do get that vibe. | ||
| But it could be just the art of the deal, you know? | ||
| Could be. | ||
| I haven't read that book. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| So China has agreed to get rid of all of its non-monetary tariffs, all the little hidden ones. | ||
| And this is a huge victory. | ||
| And I explained Trump's policies. | ||
| He's explained them. | ||
| Kirk Elliott, a great economist, explained it six months ago, long before Trump even got back in, that he comes out with a moderate tariff if they don't agree. | ||
| Boom. | ||
| It gets bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger. | ||
| Which is weaponization, because they've been weaponized against us. | ||
| And then when they back off, he comes back to what he first said. | ||
| I mean, that's just simple art of the deal stuff, and he didn't invent that, by the way. | ||
| I mean, it's like your kids. | ||
| First time you tell them don't do that, next time you go, hey, I'm warning you. | ||
| Third time, I'm going to whip your ass. | ||
| And, you know, if you're 16 and keep not doing what they say, they just say, hey, get your ass out of the house. | ||
| Go. | ||
| So this is the guy who's like all about the sacredness of the family and how the left is trying to destroy the family unit, but he's also someone who believes that violent threats and kicking your kid out of the house in their sophomore year of high school is good parenting. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Seems like an asshole. | ||
| What Alex is describing as the art of the deal and also parenting is just bullying. | ||
| This is a cornerstone of Alex and Trump's worldview, and it shows a little bit of the path of how you need to respond to it. | ||
| This is just bullying. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, the problem is, it's not like they're doing it because it hasn't worked for them, you know? | ||
| Like, it is so much like, of course bullying works up until it doesn't. | ||
| That's the risk-reward strategy of bullying. | ||
| Sooner or later, somebody's gonna be like, no more bullying, and then it turns out, you're a piece of shit. | ||
| That's how it works. | ||
| So, Alex is gonna get to the news. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But before he does, there's something that is a little bit more important. | ||
| All right, let me get into this historic events that are happening all around you right now and the incredible victories humanity in America is having. | ||
| But I want to say something out of the gates because it's very instructive and informative and important. | ||
| I notice a massive continued talking point on X that I'm not even looking for. | ||
| I just see it because I love reading comments and love seeing clips and articles and memes that people post in response to what I post, what others post. | ||
| I just love it. | ||
| I'm addicted to it. | ||
| It's been hours a day on it. | ||
| I can't stand it. | ||
| I mean, I can't stand it to not be able to not constantly be looking at it. | ||
| I'm obsessed. | ||
| And I see this talking point. | ||
| Jones used to be anti-government. | ||
| Now he works for the government. | ||
| Jones used to be anti-establishment. | ||
| Now he is the establishment. | ||
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Not yet. | |
| But that's the stated goal. | ||
| Populism. | ||
| We the people, right? | ||
| Read the Declaration of Independence? | ||
| That'd be like when George Washington and our forebears won. | ||
| And the public going, my God, we can't have our new government of the people. | ||
| I mean, we're the rebels. | ||
| I mean, now George Washington's King George. | ||
| We can't. | ||
| What? | ||
| So apparently talking about what random people are saying on Twitter is more important than getting to the news. | ||
| This dude has a serious problem with social media. | ||
| It's taking over his life. | ||
| I can understand how this criticism that is being waged against Alex kind of stings him a bit because it does. | ||
| So this is a natural part of the challenge that his type of career presents. | ||
| The relationship with power is always something that he needs to manage, or else he is going to become seduced by it. | ||
| Someone in his position isn't a watchdog about corruption or any of that other shit, but in order to play that role, he needs to have a healthy distance. | ||
| And unfortunately, that means never really being associated with the actual power structure. | ||
| It's important for him to champion idealistic losers like Ron Paul, who have no shot of actually getting elected, because maintaining that support is easy. | ||
| If only Ron Paul had got elected, it wouldn't be in this mess. | ||
| That's a simple refrain that he can pull out any time a Democrat or Republican president does something bad. | ||
| Maintaining this connection to power always allows you to be playing forward-thinking and optimistic games. | ||
| You're striving for a state of affairs that will never come to pass, but man, if they did, things would be great. | ||
| When your guy fucks around and gets elected, you have to make excuses and justify why things aren't as good as they should be or you said they were gonna be. | ||
| You become someone playing a defensive and backward-thinking game, and that's not the natural position for a media figure like Alex Jones to be embodying. | ||
| The criticisms of Alex aren't about him being close to power, but it's a byproduct of how what he does doesn't work in this state of affairs. | ||
| He's made a career off talking about how the media just lie to prop up the globalist legalism. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I think in his world, I think he, like... | ||
| His job functions a lot like a parasite. | ||
| As long as you're on the right host and you don't get too big or too small, you can just kind of have a nice run. | ||
| You're doing great. | ||
| I'm a big fan of Rand Paul. | ||
| Nobody's ever going to take me too seriously. | ||
| I'm never going to get big, but I can suck juices out of Rand Paul. | ||
| If he gets too big, then you've got to be dealt with. | ||
| People have to look at this gigantic tick. | ||
| And go, ah, we gotta get this shit out of here. | ||
| Well, I think that's part of it. | ||
| And then I think it's also, like, you know, the Green Lantern can't exist in red. | ||
| Oh, yeah, sure, sure, sure, sure. | ||
| It's weak against red. | ||
| Yeah, it's yellow, I believe. | ||
| Isn't it yellow? | ||
| Whatever, I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I saw that Ryan Reynolds movie. | ||
| That's the most I know, and I don't remember it. | ||
| But, like, he's... | ||
| The character is weak to this thing, and that thing is exactly what's happening now, which is having to tow the line and carry water for the power establishment. | ||
| You should know better. | ||
| Just don't go in this proximity. | ||
| I mean, if seduction weren't seductive, we wouldn't have a word for it. | ||
| That's the problem. | ||
| You know, of course, he's weak to social media. | ||
| Of course he's weak to shit tons of money. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I think that if Alex were smart, he would agree to have Roger Stone on the show that first time, but only if he was tied to a mast. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Unable to respond in any of the ways that... | ||
| Hannibal Lecter mask. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So anyway, Alex is like, hey man, all you people on Twitter talking shit, you're wrong. | ||
| I'm cool. | ||
| I've never been anti-government. | ||
| When the corporate media would call me that in the ADL, so they probably lost Senator Democrats, I would say, I'm pro-constitutional government, limited government, the American system, and I'm anti-occupied globalist government. | ||
| And so... | ||
| I am pro-government when it's limited and constitutional. | ||
| In fact, I defend it because it's of the people. | ||
| It is our country. | ||
| And I am anti-illegitimate government and will fight it with every ounce of energy and every drop of blood, sweat and tears, clawing with my fingernails to the last... | ||
| breath in my lungs and the last beat of my heart. | ||
| Yeah, I understand what Alex is trying to say, but this just doesn't work with the rest of his career. | ||
| His career has been based on a very strong position of states' rights over everything that wasn't specified as a power that the federal government was given in the Constitution. | ||
| That's what so many of his positions have been theoretically based on over the years. | ||
| What he's saying in that clip is basically, I'm not opposed to all government. | ||
| I'm just opposed to government I don't like, which is a meaningless statement. | ||
| It's fine to believe this, and I don't actually have a problem with someone saying something like that because it's kind of a fine position. | ||
| You would be saying the government itself is value neutral, and when it's used for good, it's good, and when it's not, it's bad. | ||
| But that's not what Alex believes. | ||
| He's intellectualized his feelings about government, and he's got a longstanding position that the federal government has to be weakened as much as possible, and that states have all the powers that aren't given to the federal government, specifically in the Constitution. | ||
| He's always been a critic of executive power, and the issue people have is that he's completely abandoned this essential piece of his philosophy. | ||
| Anyone paying even a little bit of attention can tell that he's fundamentally altered his beliefs about civics, and it makes sense that he's sensitive about being called out about this. | ||
| He was part of the popularization of the idea of democide, like government murdering people. | ||
| He is opposed to government in a sense. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, I guess the question for him is, like, this is... | ||
| Frustrating for him because I do think that this is inaccurate criticism because the accurate criticism would be to say Alex has been lying to us this whole time, right? | ||
| Not like Alex has changed his beliefs about blank, but Alex was lying to us from the jump. | ||
| Yeah, if you're going to put intention into it. | ||
| If you take intention out of it, it is your relationship with what the government's power is has changed. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If you just want to give it descriptively and give it the most benefit of the doubt. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Because in a way, if you want to provide some depth to the idea of states' rights as an actual philosophy that you could say was real, then it would be... | ||
| Less states' rights and more, here are all of the tools that we have with the Constitution, propaganda-wise, reality-wise, courts-wise, all of this, to protect against a centralized form of government that I don't like. | ||
| And then, here are all the tools that the Constitution and propaganda and all this stuff has to enforce an executive government that I do like. | ||
| You know, like, I am willing to lie, cheat, or steal to get power, is the actual criticism that is Alex, you know? | ||
| Not like, you were cool, man. | ||
| I was never cool. | ||
| Not once! | ||
| I was lying to you, you idiots! | ||
| Yeah, yeah, there's... | ||
| It's a flawed criticism, and then even if you take it at its most generous, it's a misarticulated criticism. | ||
| But these people are responding to something that is real. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And that is that Alex's tune has changed, and he doesn't like that. | ||
| He doesn't like the idea that, like, oh, yeah, in order to maintain the position that I have now and the relationship with power that I have now... | ||
| I have to give up on what is my stated philosophy and what I pretended to believe all this time. | ||
| Yeah, and I think that you're right, that the real criticism is you were a liar. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You didn't believe any of this shit. | ||
| It was just what was convenient for you at the time because you knew that there was no chance of executive power being something that would go in your direction. | ||
| Right, right, and you've... | ||
| You've internalized this criticism as being so bad, not because of the content of it, but because you've been lying to yourself as well. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| You've been trying to tell yourself you are also still the powerful truth-teller, while at the same time being the boot-licking toady. | ||
| Yeah, and I think that the criticism and the fact that it's happening on Twitter, where he is obsessively scrolling around looking for dopamine hits, I think the reason it's so... | ||
| Palpable for him is that it does start to chip away at that facade of the character that he is. | ||
| And that's threatening. | ||
| Psychologically. | ||
| You know what's great about social media is that if you're somebody with a propensity for repetitive thoughts, you want to have those externalized and then shot at you through a gun. | ||
| That's the way you want social media to do things. | ||
| People are a little too mean to Alex on social media. | ||
| And I think he gets lost ranting about it. | ||
| The patriot is a scarce man. | ||
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Hated, feared, scorned. | |
| But in time, when his cause succeeds, the timid join him because then it costs nothing to be a patriot. | ||
| When his cause succeeds, when his cause succeeds, when his cause succeeds, the timid join then, because it costs nothing to be a patriot. | ||
| And what do the timid and the Johnny-come-latelys do now that we're winning? | ||
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Oh, he's sold out to the government. | |
| He's with the system now. | ||
| We have not taken the government back yet, but we've taken large pieces over it, and we've turned the tide. | ||
| And humans are not God, and so we will always have problems, and I'm not promising some utopia here. | ||
| What I'm saying is, we're going back to the American system, and we're going to have victory, or we're going to have death as... | ||
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| Colonel Travis wrote in his final letter to my ancestors in Gonzales with instructions to take care of his son. | ||
| And that's what this is, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| This is about victory or this is about death. | ||
| And we're going to get plenty of death if these people continue on, as you've seen with the poison shots, the GMO, the chemtrails, the fentanyl, and all the autism and all this garbage. | ||
| Because the wages of sin is death. | ||
| Mixing metaphors. | ||
| So my answer to the tyrants is victory or death. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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Was that policy-wise? | |
| Like progressive taxes? | ||
| Victory or death with three lines under it. | ||
| All right. | ||
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| Three lines. | ||
| Total commitment. | ||
| And when you commit to something worthy and good, it is not a weight. | ||
| It is everything. | ||
| It is your greatest strength. | ||
| It becomes your soul. | ||
| Keep in mind, this is a guy who's just mad about some things people said on Twitter. | ||
| Like, he's God's appointed soldier to kill the devil, but he also has to spend long chunks of time on air whining about how people don't respect him enough. | ||
| Also, I was thinking about that, like, I'm not promising a utopia thing, and that's sometimes not true. | ||
| Alex does get into utopian visions periodically, but I'm gonna pretend that he doesn't. | ||
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| If you just accept his premise that he doesn't promise the listeners a utopia, I still think that he sells his shit by promising utopia. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| One version of Utopia is the creation of an ideal state, but another is the avoidance of a totally evil one. | ||
| Alex doesn't promise a positive vision of a Utopia, but he does promise the audience that if he wins, they'll be spared from the dystopia that he spends so much time on air describing. | ||
| In effect, he's created a hell for them to fear, and offered a path to salvation from it. | ||
| This is really no different than promising someone a utopia if you follow them. | ||
| It's just playing on their fear instead of optimism for a better tomorrow. | ||
| It's like, great, yeah, you don't promise a utopia, you promise avoiding hell. | ||
| Ultimately, in both cases, all you're really promising is safety from pain. | ||
| One is a positive vision and the other is an absence of a negative one. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Ultimately, fun to stumble upon them being fundamentally the same. | ||
| That's an interesting thing. | ||
| That's fun to get to. | ||
| But ultimately, yeah, no, he doesn't understand anything. | ||
| No, but Twitter gets to him. | ||
| That sucks. | ||
| It does. | ||
| I don't empathize or I don't feel for him. | ||
| But of all the things that I would want to be tortured by, I really think social media, being addicted to it and at the same time being... | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Being a person who talks to the TV because the TV keeps calling me a piece of shit. | ||
| But also the TV keeps calling me a piece of shit. | ||
| You know, like it's really calling me a piece of shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's terrifying. | ||
| It is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the fact that Alex has worked himself into this situation where in order for this business model to continue working, he has to keep getting called a piece of shit by the TV. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It is a Twilight Zone episode. | ||
| It is fucked up to exist in his world. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So we get back to the news that's not Twitter-based and has to do with the prescription drugs that Trump has... | ||
| He's just, he's solved it. | ||
| Oh, well, that's nice. | ||
| Humanity has awoken. | ||
| And it's getting more intense every day. | ||
| The level of the awakening is getting stronger. | ||
| So let's get into the big developments. | ||
| You know, on average, the people of the United States pay triple what anybody else pays on average for drugs. | ||
| Roughly double what people pay in Europe for the very same companies. | ||
| And that's because everything's been set up to screw the American consumer. | ||
| He just cut an executive order, take a few months to phase in the cost of prescription drugs. | ||
| So the reason that prescription drug prices are lower in other countries is because other countries have regulations in place that limit those prices. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Places like England have nationalized healthcare that drives down the prices, and essentially those countries don't allow pharmaceutical companies to set their own prices and run the game however they want. | ||
| That seems crazy. | ||
| On the flip side, the U.S. doesn't have these types of protections for the consumers, and big pharma and insurance companies can fleece us for medications at huge markups. | ||
| Trump signed an executive order that said that they were going to ask drug companies to voluntarily drop the prices of drugs, but there's no mechanism for infirmation. | ||
| forcing anything, and this will do jack shit to solve the problem that Americans face with health care. | ||
| Fun. | ||
| According to NPR, the EO also, quote, directs. | ||
| the U.S. trade representative and Department of Commerce to take action against unreasonable and discriminatory policies that lower drug prices abroad. | ||
| The reason that drug prices are lower abroad is because of government-subsidized healthcare systems that set prices that drug companies are allowed to charge. | ||
| It's pretty clear that Trump's goal here is to put pressure on these countries to raise their drug prices on the premise that if everyone else were paying more for these drugs, the Americans would pay less. | ||
| Just from a purely law-based standpoint, Trump did nothing with this executive order, but it's clearly signaling a direction that involves U.S. consumers paying the same amount for drugs. | ||
| But it's trying to do that by forcing Europeans to pay more, which doesn't help anybody except for the drug companies. | ||
| This is populism, baby. | ||
| Yeah, we're trapped in accurate falsehood territory. | ||
| It doesn't matter what you're reading. | ||
| It doesn't matter how reputable the news source is. | ||
| They're reporting on something probably accurately, probably defensively. | ||
| That also might not be true tomorrow. | ||
| It might just not exist tomorrow. | ||
| So they might have lied to you today, but they're accurate today, but tomorrow it might not exist. | ||
| Well, I mean, these things that are like, hey, we're doing a 30-day pause on this, that makes that so much more likely. | ||
| What's true today might not be true tomorrow, next week. | ||
| You have accurately reported on something that does not exist in time, which is a wild circumstance. | ||
| It's a weird state of affairs to exist in. | ||
| I understand that what you're telling me is true right now. | ||
| Check tomorrow. | ||
| I can't trust anything, you know? | ||
| Do you mean Alex's description of the prescription drug executive order is true today? | ||
| I mean, no. | ||
| Because it's not. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| I read a thing which was like... | ||
| President signs executive order to drop prescription drug prices by 30-50% or something like that. | ||
| He assumes it'll drop it that much. | ||
| You are telling me something accurate and yet at the same time... | ||
| In no way is any of that information true. | ||
| Well, yeah, I think the articles that I've read maybe have had something along those lines in headlines, but then once you get into the body of the articles, they're like, this has nothing, this does nothing. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So the accurate thing to say is Trump does nothing, right? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But that's also not accurate. | ||
| Because he did do something. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But what's real? | ||
| The body of the article lays out more of what's real, but unfortunately people's attention are drawn. | ||
| You know, everyone's addicted to Twitter, right? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| You got those headlines. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So yeah, this prescription drug thing is not a meaningful change that Trump is going for. | ||
| And honestly... | ||
| I think if you look at it from most angles, the only real party that stands to gain is drug companies. | ||
| Yeah, that sounds right. | ||
| And the people who stand to lose the most are European consumers. | ||
| Yeah, that sounds right. | ||
| Yep, that sounds right. | ||
| So that's one story of a big Trump win. | ||
| Great. | ||
| And then we get back to the China tariffs thing. | ||
| Another huge win. | ||
| Breaking. | ||
| U.S. and China agree to cut tariffs for 90 days. | ||
| While they negotiate. | ||
| And get the finer points done. | ||
| Major breakthrough. | ||
| Here are the details of the China trade deal. | ||
| And when you look at it, the tariffs President Trump announced against China on April 2nd are being cut by 24 percentage points for this temporary period while retaining the remaining. | ||
| Ad valorem rate of 10% from that announcement, according to a joint statement. | ||
| Chad agreed to the same stipulations, adding that we'll adopt all necessary administrative measures to suspend or remove the non-tariff countermeasures taken against the United States since April 2nd. | ||
| The announcement stated, under the deal, reciprocal trade for both countries would be reduced by 115%. | ||
| The U.S. will temporarily lower its tariffs on Chinese goods from $145 to $30, and China will reduce its levels on American products from $125 to $10. | ||
| Now, $145 to $30 to $125 to $10. | ||
| Who's got a higher tariff? | ||
| We do. | ||
| Is $30 bigger than $10? | ||
| Who just won that? | ||
| Okay, but football team wins by $30 to $10. | ||
| That is not how it works. | ||
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| Thank you. | ||
| So we're lowering to 30. They're lowering to 10. Who won that interaction? | ||
| This is a good representation of why people would say that Alex is just working for the government now. | ||
| He's dumbing this issue down to a point where it's meaningless in order to present it as a win for Trump, because everything is a win for Trump. | ||
| These numbers really don't tell the whole story. | ||
| For most of Biden's presidency, the U.S. had a 19% tariff on Chinese exports, and China had a 21% tariff on ours. | ||
| However, there was a disproportionate application of Trump's tariffs. | ||
| For example, almost 67% of Chinese exports were subjected to U.S. tariffs before, whereas only 58% of U.S. exports to China were tariffed. | ||
| What Trump has done is raise these tariffs to a ridiculously high rate and subject 100% of Chinese exports to that tariff. | ||
| In response, China raised their ratio of tariff exports from the US to 100% as well, so we were actually disproportionately affected by that retaliatory jump. | ||
| This also fails to take into account that we have a sizable trade imbalance between our countries. | ||
| We import way more stuff from China than China imports from us, so on a consumer level, the U.S. is going to feel these impacts way more than Chinese citizens do. | ||
| Alex is so invested in spinning everything as a positive for Trump that it ends up creating surface-level coverage that even some passive idiots in his audience, they're probably starting to sense that. | ||
| 30-10! | ||
| He better hope that he gets some of that Elon money soon, because some of these people aren't going to follow him on to his next fake company. | ||
| I just, I think the quality is, The idea. | ||
| Listen, I don't know. | ||
| I genuinely don't know. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| I can't fucking fathom the difficulty of understanding international finance agreements. | ||
| No fucking clue. | ||
| What I can do is tell you that if you say 30% tariff beats 10% tariff, obviously we win. | ||
| You're a fucking idiot. | ||
| It's very obvious that you're not accounting for a ton of variables. | ||
| And you're willing to, like, this is the story that I'm going to tell you, my audience. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it just makes clear that you're not interested in information. | ||
| You're not interested in the news. | ||
| This is propaganda. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| And here's the other thing. | ||
| Like, I genuinely don't know if anybody knows what long-term any of this is going to do. | ||
| No, and I think a lot of the articles that you end up reading from experts reflect that. | ||
| They say things like that. | ||
| We have no idea what this is going to do. | ||
| This could go any direction. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Like, maybe, no, and here's the thing. | ||
| Maybe we could somehow whatever win, quote unquote, is. | ||
| I don't know what that means. | ||
| But over long term, maybe something happens. | ||
| But I don't even know what that would mean. | ||
| Would that mean that we pay less for stuff and they pay more for stuff? | ||
| Is that what winning is? | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| But I think that most of what I've read is, you know, there is a lot of that. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| Who knows what the fuck's going to happen? | ||
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| But a lot of it is like... | ||
| Oh, I'm sorry. | ||
| It's not good. | ||
| It's in a territory of not good for the consumer. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But that's the question. | ||
| What are we doing when we're talking about this? | ||
| Am I going to pay less for stuff? | ||
| Is that important? | ||
| Or is somebody getting paid more to make it? | ||
| Here's my problem. | ||
| I don't think anybody is actually keeping the money but rich people. | ||
| Somehow at the end of all this shit, I don't think anybody's getting paid more in China if they charge us more here, right? | ||
| I think your instincts might be on to something. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So, Alex has a big show. | ||
| Big show lined up. | ||
| You know, all of these great Trump wins. | ||
| But, you know. | ||
| Top FBI whistleblower, Kyle Serafin, to cover the waterfront in studio in the third and fourth hour today. | ||
| He's already here with all these documents, articles, clips, info. | ||
| We're going to cover dozens of key topics with him. | ||
| And remember, he broke here months ago, the 14 terabytes. | ||
| Of Epstein raping kids and horrible stuff. | ||
| And now that's all over the news last week. | ||
| So, you'll have more coming up in his review of so far the administration and what's going on. | ||
| It's going to be critical. | ||
| It's good to get those perspectives coming up in the third and fourth hour. | ||
| Deep dive today. | ||
| We should also open the phones up some in the second hour when he's on with us in the fourth hour. | ||
| Second hour of the interview. | ||
| You can ask your questions. | ||
| I'm sure you'll bring up some better topics. | ||
| You'll always do. | ||
| I'm serious when I say that. | ||
| I'm not patronizing you when I say that. | ||
| That's why I love taking calls with great guests because you bring up angles I wouldn't think of. | ||
| I love that uncensored people power of populism. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I want to get into the so-called trade deal. | ||
| It's a lot bigger than that. | ||
| The prescription drug executive order and more. | ||
| Then I'm going to get into all the other news here. | ||
| And there's a lot of it. | ||
| And it's important. | ||
| But today is the last day at thealexjonesstore.com that when you get two bottles of ultramethylene blue already discounted... | ||
| You get the third bottle free. | ||
| That's an amazing deal. | ||
| Whoa, that deal is crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That deal is literally crazy. | ||
| So good. | ||
| At those prices, I can't afford not to buy it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So Kyle Serafin is the guy I was going to have on, this whistleblower. | ||
| He worked for the FBI until 2022 when he was suspended indefinitely for refusing to get vaccinated. | ||
| At which point he became a right-wing media celebrity by spreading J6 conspiracies and all this other shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's cool. | ||
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| I'm against him. | ||
| Bad guy. | ||
| All that stuff. | ||
| But if I'm working for the FBI and I'm not seeing anybody else take the obvious job position of former FBI guy who's spreading conspiracy theories, I'm thinking about it. | ||
| It's got to be one better than working for the FBI. | ||
| There's more money in it. | ||
| Nature abhors a vacuum. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And someone is going to fill that slot. | ||
| Somebody was going to do it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Whoever can... | ||
| Get a hold of James O 'Keefe, the quickest, has a new career. | ||
| I genuinely think if I'm an FBI agent, I'm going to my boss like, I'm going to want to raise, otherwise I have this opportunity to lie about you for money. | ||
| It's somewhere between blackmail and job negotiation. | ||
| It's somewhere in there. | ||
| But, you know, the intelligence services, there's some corrupt dealings. | ||
| Maybe that would be a good way to do it. | ||
| So that might be a little bit of blackmail. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But what is blackmail but just sophisticated negotiations? | ||
| I think that's a good point. | ||
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| Yeah, that's expanded negotiations. | ||
| Yeah, so Alex discusses that a little bit here. | ||
| Great! | ||
| Let's get back into Trump and this big victory with China, big victory with India. | ||
| The list goes on and on. | ||
| I mean, it's over 100 countries now that have signed deals or are in the process of signing deals. | ||
| India was the big one. | ||
| UK last week. | ||
| And they're doing everything Trump wants because it's all one-sided. | ||
| And now Carney's having to say, okay, he's going to work with Trump. | ||
| But you can't take over Canada. | ||
| See, he's like, I want your country. | ||
| Or can you? | ||
| 51st state, you'll be the governor. | ||
| He's like, well, you can't do that, but we'll do everything else you said. | ||
| Whereas he had all that other rhetoric before that Trump's a tyrant, the Americans want to steal our country. | ||
| Trump asked for way, way, way, way, way more than he knows he's going to get. | ||
| Show that when they do everything else he really wanted. | ||
| Well, they feel like they did okay. | ||
| That is a basic tactic of negotiation. | ||
| So we're going from not having any negotiations and being totally sold out by the globalist middleman to the complete opposite, an incredible negotiator with an incredible economic team. | ||
| I mean, what Alex is describing is basically a stick-up. | ||
| Like, that's not a negotiation. | ||
| We're going to take over your country. | ||
| All right, fine, we can do some trade. | ||
| That's a shakedown. | ||
| By hook or by crook, we will have your things. | ||
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| Or you could negotiate. | ||
| You choose. | ||
| What a masterful negotiator. | ||
| What a bully. | ||
| He's a bully. | ||
| It's a long-term strategy that's always worked out. | ||
| I can think of no massive resentment that could be built up over time. | ||
| You know, makes perfect sense to me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I got a gun pointed at you, and now I think that we're gonna, you know... | ||
| You're gonna sell me some stuff. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You're gonna sell me some stuff for the price that I think is pretty ridiculous, but I suggested at first, which you balked at until I had this gun in your face. | ||
| It seems strange that the gun is involved. | ||
| Yeah, well, hey, I have it. | ||
| Now that I'm hearing your actual pitch, it feels very important to your pitch, in fact. | ||
| Well, you know, I think that you'll see my original terms as quite reasonable compared to this gun. | ||
| That gun does make things different. | ||
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| Cool. | ||
| The art of the deal. | ||
| Negotiation. | ||
| Yeah, that's good stuff. | ||
| What a dick. | ||
| When you think about it, guns do make negotiations easier. | ||
| I don't know if better or more longer lasting. | ||
| Or seriously suggesting, I'm going to take over your country. | ||
| You could become a governor instead of the president, prime minister. | ||
| I feel like this is... | ||
| Actually, here's what I'm doing. | ||
| If I'm Canada, I'm going, yeah. | ||
| Take us over. | ||
| We'll become a state. | ||
| How many fucking electoral college votes are we going to toss into your bullshit? | ||
| You're not even ready for Canada to be a state. | ||
| Don't even think about that shit. | ||
| Because they could take over, man. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I'm looking at a map. | ||
| It's big. | ||
| We're on a 50-50, oh, Democrat-Republican, now we gotta throw in Canadian in there? | ||
| Anything could happen. | ||
| Also, it's really funny that it would be conceivably one state. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, right? | ||
| Are we doing provinces or are we just... | ||
| Canada, 51st state. | ||
| Twice the size of all other states combined. | ||
| Yeah, it's... | ||
| This is negotiation. | ||
| It's simple. | ||
| I find this to be fucking stupid. | ||
| And the idea of Alex acting like this is counter to what he's supposed to be. | ||
| But when I told you at the beginning this episode is sad, it's because of this. | ||
| This next clip is... | ||
| I feel like it's a new low. | ||
| Boeing can't even build in a decade a new Air Force One. | ||
| And so Trump gets given one, and they go, oh, it's a bribe. | ||
| No, it's a bribe if it's not declared. | ||
| And you could say, oh, well. | ||
| The point is, is that that, of course, Boeing can make a jumbo jet for somebody else, but when they know it's a government contract, just like these fighter jets, they keep milking it and scamming it. | ||
| And they've already, they're going to be like $8 billion for it, and Trump negotiated it six, seven years ago, down to $1.4 billion, and they can't even deliver one? | ||
| Alex's numbers are a little off, but this is really funny. | ||
| The idea that Alex Jones, the champion against corruption, is having to bend over backwards to justify Trump being personally given a jumbo jet worth $400 million by Qatar. | ||
| This is so comically corrupt that Alex should really just ignore it. | ||
| I don't believe that people talk about Illuminati humiliation rituals. | ||
| I don't believe in any of that stuff, but this has the feeling of a public humiliation ritual. | ||
| Alex having to go out on air and defend Trump getting a plane from Qatar. | ||
| So the thing is, as laid out by Politico, this isn't a gift to the U.S. government. | ||
| It's a luxury plane that's a gift to Trump and an expense to the taxpayers. | ||
| From their article, quote, A private contractor would have to rip it apart and turn the jet into a flying White House for the president with secure communications and classified upgrades, according to former Air Force officials and lawmakers. | ||
| An expensive and complicated prospect that could cost taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars. | ||
| So that's what Alex is defending. | ||
| Yeah, no, I mean... | ||
| Beyond any other conversation, which it is absolutely fucked up, but even then, he can't take it. | ||
| Because if I'm Cutter, and I'm giving you, personally, a $400 million jet, I am loading that jet with all kinds of spying-ass spy shit that's ever been spied on for spies. | ||
| You might. | ||
| And that's part of the giant expense of if you were to take this, you'd have to... | ||
| We have to hire somebody to unspy this shit. | ||
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| And then we don't have a plane! | ||
| We have to put the whole thing back together again! | ||
| Yeah, and then like every plane that you would have in your fleet, it requires upkeep. | ||
| I think it was that same Politico article quoted someone who was like, you might want to ask yourself why Qatar is fine getting rid of this. | ||
| It's very expensive to maintain this giant luxury plane. | ||
| If they're giving a plane like this, then you have to blow it up. | ||
| That's the only thing that makes sense for everybody involved. | ||
| They can't have it. | ||
| You can't have it. | ||
| Nobody can have it. | ||
| If we take real-world things out of it and put those to the side and just look at this as an Alex moment, this is pathetic. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If you have the President of the United States being personally gifted a plane by a foreign government and your take on it is... | ||
| It's cool! | ||
| It's not a bribe if you declare it. | ||
| If you have to say, it's not a bribe if. | ||
| You are talking about a bribe. | ||
| I mean, even if it's not, it's just shady as shit. | ||
| I don't know there's a quid pro quo that's specific out of it. | ||
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| Yeah, it's not what you'd want. | ||
| There's a general quid pro quoity to it that is going to be an issue sooner or later. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Alex lies a bit about this whole playing business because he's a piece of shit. | ||
| Ridiculous. | ||
| They're going to be like $8 billion for it and Trump negotiated it six, seven years ago down to $1.4 billion and they can't even deliver one? | ||
| And so a Gulf state says here, we're donating it to the U.S. government? | ||
| That's how ridiculous this has gotten, and they call that a bribe. | ||
| Yes, it is a bribe. | ||
| It's like Elon Musk donating Starlink to the air traffic control systems when they go down, or donating them during the fires in the Palisades, or donating them during the hurricane. | ||
| So, Qatar did not offer to donate the plane to the U.S. government. | ||
| It's a gift to Trump, and he's explicitly said that he would donate the plane to his presidential library after his term ended. | ||
| This is a gift for a person, not the government, and Alex is directly lying about that to cover up Trump's praise and corruption. | ||
| Also, Elon isn't just donating Starlink terminals because he's a great person and he wants everyone to be online. | ||
| It's part of a business strategy where companies try to circumvent the government contractor competition by offering their product for free. | ||
| By insinuating yourself this way, you can provide a service that ends up becoming essential to the point where your ability to remove that service gives you outsized influence and the ability to demand a lot of money. | ||
| That'd be Windows. | ||
| This is what Elon is doing. | ||
| He's provided Starlink terminals in places that need them so it becomes more costly to try and go with another vendor than just continue working with him. | ||
| He's the proverbial drug dealer who gives you that first hit for free just out of the goodness of his heart. | ||
| It's crazy how all of the government computers were given Microsoft Windows early on for free, and now suddenly it costs a lot of money and they can't not use it. | ||
| It's crazy how that works. | ||
| There was an article in ProPublica that was discussing how Elon's strategy and Microsoft are very clear. | ||
| It's the smartest thing to do. | ||
| And we saw this even play out with the war in Ukraine. | ||
| When the war broke out, Musk donated 20,000 Starlink units to the country to provide networking and communications that were based in satellites so they would still work, despite Russia taking out major pieces of Ukrainian infrastructure. | ||
| Then, in November 2022, Musk said that it was too expensive for him to continue offering these units, telling the Pentagon that they would need to pay for it, saying it would cost $120 million to finish out that year and $400 million for the next year. | ||
| Musk essentially put the government in a position where they would need to pay him a shitload of money to continue enjoying the gift he supposedly gave them, or they would need to come up with a replacement satellite communication system, or leave Ukraine in the dark. | ||
| Naturally, in 2023, the Pentagon announced that they had awarded Musk and SpaceX a contract to provide the Starlink service in Ukraine. | ||
| This isn't a gift or a donation. | ||
| It's a business model that is only a little bit different from extortion. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Musk is far from the only person who engages in these kinds of business practices like we discussed with Microsoft. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it comes off as very pathetic for Alex to get on air and have to pretend that he doesn't understand this dynamic. | ||
| Like, how fucking stupid do you have to be to try and pretend like, oh, he's such a benevolent guy giving out these stars? | ||
| It's encroachment. | ||
| It's a business strategy. | ||
| And when your personal job is going to end before the consequences of a deal like this are going to fully mature, what do you really care at the end of the day? | ||
| Not least of which, because at the end of your term, you'll probably get a job with the people who fleeced the people you were representing. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Well, but this time the term doesn't end. | ||
| Yeah, right. | ||
| So that's great. | ||
| Get rid of the revolving door by having... | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Permanent. | ||
| Let's just do dictator. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| I'm done with it. | ||
| Let's get out of here. | ||
| We've been dipping our toes in for too long. | ||
| Yeah, come on, everybody. | ||
| Move on. | ||
| Wrap it up. | ||
| So we talk here a little bit more about the major, major breakthrough on prescription drugs. | ||
| Let's get into what he did with the executive order on prescription drugs that they've been talking about for decades. | ||
| Why do we pay more? | ||
| Why do we pay more? | ||
| Because we have a political establishment, both Republican and Democrat. | ||
| That got together and screwed the people. | ||
| And then the drugs we get and that they push are always the newest, dangerous ones that are the highest cost because they make the most money off of it and it fits their agenda to kill us, to depopulate us. | ||
| So here's Trump signing that executive order. | ||
| But starting today, the United States will no longer subsidize the health care of foreign countries, which is what we were doing. | ||
| We're subsidizing others' health care. | ||
| The country is where they... | ||
| Paid a small fraction of what, for the same drug that what we pay many, many times more for, and will no longer tolerate profiteering and price gouging from Big Pharma, but again, it was really the countries that forced Big Pharma to do things that, frankly, I'm not sure they really felt comfortable doing, but they've gotten away with it, these countries. | ||
| The European Union has been brutal. | ||
| Brutal. | ||
| To be clear, nothing that Trump is doing with that executive order will have any effect on US consumer prices for prescription drugs. | ||
| If you listen to what he's saying, he's complaining that other countries have set prices that drug companies can't charge more than, and that's what's unfair. | ||
| In the fantasy that he has, there's a set amount that these drug companies need to make. | ||
| Let's say $100 billion a year. | ||
| They need to make this amount in order to keep making new drugs and curing things, so it's really important that they make that much. | ||
| Europe has set a law in place that these companies can only make $20 billion from their countries, so in order to make the amount they need, they charge the U.S. consumers $80 billion. | ||
| We're subsidizing that! | ||
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Make perfect sense to me. | |
| 30's bigger than 10! | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Trump is trying to attack the price controls that keep European drug prices low and pretending that this will drop prices here. | ||
| Like if the European consumers have to pay 40 billion, all of a sudden Yeah. | ||
| like profit motives and capitalism aren't factors in this imaginary world. | ||
| Wild. | ||
| In reality, Trump wants to pressure these other countries to drop their price controls so that drug companies can charge them more, which won't make a difference with U.S. consumer drug prices. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| The answer to this is sort of the opposite of... | ||
| I feel like we should all know this. | ||
| It's 2025. | ||
| We should all be here now. | ||
| If there is something that is good for you in regards to healthcare... | ||
| Then you will see healthcare CEOs on TV all the time telling you about how bad it is for you that this happens. | ||
| There is often going to be that dynamic. | ||
| Right? | ||
| It's like, I've never not seen it be the case where somebody's gone on TV and been like, actually, this thing that's going to save you money, that's terrible for you! | ||
| You want us to have the profits, otherwise we'll steal your legs! | ||
| That's what we do! | ||
| We steal legs! | ||
| Yeah, I mean, if you asked somebody who was, like, I don't know, running a check cashing place or something like that, whether or not they provide a service, they'd probably say yes. | ||
| Oh, of course. | ||
| They're the best service. | ||
| And those 50% loans are just great. | ||
| So I think that Trump is in a little bit of hot water because of the whole plane thing. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Man, that plane thing is fucked up. | ||
| It's pretty crazy. | ||
| It's fucking crazy. | ||
| And guess what? | ||
| We'll forget about it in a week. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Good work on you. | ||
| Some of his base has turned against, eh, not turned against him, but they're critical. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| Of him about this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This means that, unfortunately, Drudge is now Democrats. | ||
| Oh, that'll happen. | ||
| Here's the corporate headlines out of Drudge. | ||
| I mean, it's the Democratic Party. | ||
| Qatar gifts a jet to Trump. | ||
| Palace in the sky. | ||
| Is it a crime? | ||
| And no, the law is being followed. | ||
| He's been trying to get... | ||
| A new aircraft for the last eight years. | ||
| They admit the old one is two of them is falling apart. | ||
| Air Force One, the main one in the backup. | ||
| And so Qatar goes, okay, we'll donate this to the U.S. government. | ||
| They're like, oh my God, it's criminal. | ||
| They're paying him off. | ||
| Look, I got no interest in Drudge, but I feel like I would be pissed if I were him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Alex, you have no career without me. | ||
| I'm the fucking corporate news and the Democrats, you piece of shit. | ||
| You ungrateful sack of garbage. | ||
| How dare you? | ||
| I... | ||
| You know, everyone is corporate Democrats once they're saying the thing you don't want them to. | ||
| I mean, it's... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| If you think about those... | ||
| I don't know if you... | ||
| There was a lot more of them. | ||
| I think in the 60s, 70s, and 80s. | ||
| But those Swami guru kind of things, where there would be the guru guy, and then he would have a lot of people who got way into him too fast. | ||
| And then slowly the stories would start being like, look at all these people leaving in droves because of the real things this guy is doing. | ||
| But there was always the core group left. | ||
| There was always the core group that no matter what you told them, they would look you in the eyes and go, we're pot committed. | ||
| This guy's God. | ||
| That kind of thing. | ||
| Do you think it's fun to be a monster who exploits those people? | ||
| Like, do you think Trump is watching Alex going like, can you believe this shit? | ||
| Like, he's got popcorn. | ||
| Like, I wonder what else I can get this monster to agree with. | ||
| No, I think it's probably stressful. | ||
| Do you think so? | ||
| I think it's probably a, man, if I lose these folks, I got nothing. | ||
| I think maybe. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Maybe it's a glass half-full, half-empty kind of thing. | ||
| I mean, isn't that the thing that keeps us from ever even considering it, though? | ||
| Is that it would be, to us, it would be a horrifying thing to do to people. | ||
| Right? | ||
| So if you are doing it, you probably are fine with it, right? | ||
| Yeah, I guess it would be hard to judge the mental state of someone who's already monstrous. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's also really weird to think about how Alex is that inner core diehard group. | ||
| He is the cult member who's going to go down with the ship. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| I think that he thinks that he's not, though. | ||
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| I think he is really deluded about where he is in terms of, like, if you are saying Trump is cool to have Qatar give him a plane, and that Drudge is Democratic Party corporate media because there's criticism of this flagrant corruption, you are so deep. | ||
| You are never getting up for air. | ||
| Too far gone. | ||
| And I think that there's some other figures in this world. | ||
| That have a little bit of a more interesting maneuverability. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And one of them is unfortunately Laura Loomer. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| Laura Loomer slams Trump over a guitar jet, calls it staying on the presidency. | ||
| I'm so disappointed. | ||
| You know, I like Laura a lot, man, but she just doesn't sometimes get it. | ||
| And it just goes on and on and on. | ||
| So on our last episode, Alex was bragging about how Laura Loomer was critical of Trump's choice for Surgeon General, which made Trump change his mind. | ||
| She was the shining example of constructive criticism, the part of the base that was holding Trump's feet to the fire. | ||
| But now she doesn't get it. | ||
| Alex's world has a loomer problem, because they've empowered her a little bit too much, and she isn't going to play ball. | ||
| She's a chaotic influence who isn't playing the same games as all of these people around her. | ||
| All these assholes pretend that they were like Jewish people in the lead-up to World War II and they got kicked off Twitter. | ||
| They whined about how they were being put into digital ghettos because that helped them inflame the feelings of persecution that animate the audience, which then helps them sell supplements. | ||
| Meanwhile, Laura Loomer put a Star of David on and handcuffed herself to the door of Twitter's headquarters. | ||
| It was embarrassing and she forgot to handcuff herself to both doors so people just walked around her, but I think that's representative of the different game that she's playing. | ||
| She sucks and is wrong about almost everything, but her actions also often have the subtext of, okay, what if we mean it? | ||
| Whereas all of these other figures in Alex's orbit, they know that what they're saying is bullshit and they don't take any of it too seriously. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So now you have things like Trump saying that he's going to accept an obviously illegal gift from the government of Qatar and Loomer is rightly responding, hey, isn't this the opposite of what we're supposed to pretend to support? | ||
| Alex's response is exactly right. | ||
| Sometimes she doesn't get it. | ||
| Sometimes she doesn't get that their media space is weaponized propaganda and you aren't supposed to criticize your side for not following the rules you demand the other side follow. | ||
| She and Nick Fuentes are good examples of people that the right-wing media should have done everything they could to sideline a long time ago. | ||
| They were too... | ||
| It's circumstantially profitable for the right-wing media to use, and they've gotten out of hand. | ||
| They have too much status and have built organic audiences of their own that aren't going to go away, and they're not going to play ball. | ||
| It is comforting when you're anti-conspiracy theory-ing to know that confidently no one in charge of anything Has a legitimate long-term plan for anything. | ||
| If you look back, it's like, you guys, it's fairly obvious that this was going to happen. | ||
| But you wanted it too bad. | ||
| Because there's so much of that Alex addiction of like, yeah, but he's useful now. | ||
| He's useful now. | ||
| We gotta use him now. | ||
| We gotta use everything now. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's just that. | ||
| The immediacy of the need. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Yeah, and I was thinking over a lot of the things that Laura Loomer's done in her career, and a lot of it is the actions of someone taking seriously something everybody else knows not to take seriously. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Like, she and Jacob Wall and Ali Alexander, they went to try and prove that... | ||
| Ilhan Omar was married to her brother. | ||
| It's like, this is something we're just smearing. | ||
| This is something for Twitter and shit. | ||
| You don't need to go do an investigation into this. | ||
| You don't need to handcuff yourself to the door at Twitter. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| The irony of what you're doing is you're proving why what we're doing works and what you're doing doesn't work. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because it's not real. | ||
| And unfortunately, if you do too much of that, it is going to ruin our ability to do our thing. | ||
| Because it reveals that none of what we say is real. | ||
| Right. | ||
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| So they should do something about her at some point, because otherwise it's going to blow up in their face. | ||
| Yeah, just as a comparison point for somebody who actually believes something versus you. | ||
| You know, like, you don't want the actually believe something person to exist if you... | ||
| Don't want to actually believe it. | ||
| And I want to be totally clear. | ||
| I don't want to go out on a limb and say that Laura Loomer actually believes any of the stuff. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| But her actions follow the path more frequently of what if we believed in this? | ||
| Exactly, yeah. | ||
| How would we behave if we weren't just all talking shit? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's not about belief. | ||
| It's about comparison between the two. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So... | ||
| We have one last clip here, and it's because Alex interviews that FBI whistleblower he's got, and I just decided to turn it off because he tells this story. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And let's see how you feel about this story. | ||
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All right. | |
| Let me give the bottom line up front, because that's the way I was taught to brief people. | ||
| If people look here on the overhead cam, you probably can see it. | ||
| This is the notice I just got from Google. | ||
| So this is brand new. | ||
| This came in on Saturday evening at 1023. | ||
| By the way, it's funny. | ||
| I sent you one of those on Friday that my wife got to get your opinion, and the next day you get one. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| Thanks for that. | ||
| I appreciate it. | ||
| So it's an identical notice. | ||
| So this is something that happened. | ||
| So I used to be on the other end of this, and that's what's, I guess, the weirdest part for me. | ||
| So I used to be able to serve process to people like Google or Meta or your cell phone companies and so on. | ||
| And if we wanted them to preserve data and then we wanted to serve either a subpoena or what's called a national security letter, and that's a secret subpoena, or a search warrant for content or information, then we would do so. | ||
| And then eventually... | ||
| I don't want Alex Jones to know that I'm in his emails. | ||
| So we would ask that to be under seal for a period of time. | ||
| At some point in time, either the case would conclude or we would bring out an indictment so you knew about it because you've been arrested. | ||
| Then we would go out and we would let this thing lapse and you would get this email notifying you. | ||
| So I'm just going to read it. | ||
| It says, this is from Google. | ||
| It's on their official letterhead. | ||
| It says, hello, Google received and responded to a legal process issued by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, my ex-girlfriend, my former employer, compelling the release of information related to your Google account. | ||
| A court order previously prohibited, that's the thing I just mentioned, Google from notifying you of the legal process. | ||
| We're now permitted to disclose the receipt of legal process. | ||
| The agency reference number is as follows. | ||
| And there's a number there, which is a grand jury subpoena. | ||
| It says GJ, so that's what we assume for that one. | ||
| There's some kind of a subpoena. | ||
| I don't know exactly what that means, but the odds are that this was served in 2023. | ||
| Chaos that I feel when I look at this is that my former agency, and I made a note about what the Stasi was, so a lot of people probably are familiar with that term, but it gets thrown around and bandied around an awful lot. | ||
| They were the East German secret police, and they operated for 40 years, and they were responsible for three things in particular. | ||
| Domestic surveillance, that's what the FBI does. | ||
| Intelligence gathering, that's a post-9-11 FBI thing in a very big way. | ||
| And suppressing dissent, which has been basically a post-Obama era FBI mandate going after dissent. | ||
| So we saw this stuff with the... | ||
| We saw this stuff happening under Trump's first administration where he was removed from social media. | ||
| Suppressing dissent means we now decide whether or not you're allowed to have all the information you want, and we're going to go after people that have contrary viewpoints. | ||
| And that's what they've been doing to me, which you saw. | ||
| We have that document from the Trump administration. | ||
| Under Obama, national security investigation forever. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so, of course, this is unrelated, I'm sure, that I think it's from my bankruptcy. | ||
| They wanted to see what was going on with my wife. | ||
| I hid something. | ||
| Of course, I didn't. | ||
| A, I don't do stuff like that, and B, I'm not stupid. | ||
| And so, obviously, they probably had a grand jury. | ||
| I disagree on both of those. | ||
| And then they didn't find it, so it's been closed, probably, right? | ||
| In this case, yeah, and I'm sure in the same thing for your wife's case. | ||
| But here's the problem. | ||
| Well, you saw a city, my wife's notice. | ||
| So that would be closed. | ||
| What did you get from it? | ||
| Same sort of thing as this. | ||
| So this is the first thing that this guy is bringing to the table, is this email. | ||
| How does that story grab you? | ||
| I mean, if a former FBI agent is calling the FBI the Stasi, I feel divorced somewhere there. | ||
| We did call him his ex-girlfriend. | ||
| I hear these details of the story where Alex's wife got this email and then he sent it on to this guy and then he got an email. | ||
| I kind of think that maybe it's a phishing email. | ||
| I think that maybe... | ||
| You know, it's possible. | ||
| So I looked into it, and the sort of text of his email tried to find if this was a legitimate thing that Google sends out. | ||
| And it turns out it is a form email that they do send out. | ||
| But there's a decent chance that scammers have also copied it. | ||
| Yeah, obviously. | ||
| So I don't know if this is an authentic email or not. | ||
| But generally speaking... | ||
| What this email is indicative of is that your phone was near a crime. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And your phone got caught up in the geolocation data that the police were running when they were trying to track the person's phone who committed this crime. | ||
| So generally, when you get an email like this... | ||
| It is indicative not of they've been spying on your email and everything that you've... | ||
| Whatever he's describing, like there's a grand jury targeting you. | ||
| No, it's that your phone got caught up in a dragnet. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Typically. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| I'm not going to say that it's impossible that it can't be sent out in other cases. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But you're not... | ||
| If they're trying to weaponize the state against you... | ||
| You're not going to get a notification afterwards. | ||
| Like, hey, we tried to find some dirt on you. | ||
| We fucked up. | ||
| It's a strangely... | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Its existence belies your lie about it. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Like, the email... | ||
| If it's the... | ||
| The Stasi didn't email you... | ||
| They didn't, like, go around your house and be like, hey, surprise. | ||
| We tried to secret police you, but you're so good. | ||
| But because they're using Google, Google has to do it. | ||
| No, they don't. | ||
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The Stasi wouldn't. | |
| The Google... | ||
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What? | |
| What? | ||
| Why? | ||
| Google's also part of your conspiracy about people who are in the globalists who don't give a shit about laws. | ||
| Yeah, that is a difficult point to get around. | ||
| But my gut tells me that I think maybe it was not. | ||
| I think it's a spam. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think that's what's going on here. | ||
| The fact that Alex asked about it, like his wife got one, sent it to him, and then he got one. | ||
| That kind of leads me to believe that maybe it's like a fishing thing. | ||
| Oh, my initial vibe was he just made it up. | ||
| Like, if Alex sends you this, there's kind of a bit of like, hey, this is what we're going to talk about. | ||
| And what's a great way to throw that in there, I also got one. | ||
| Your wife and I are close. | ||
| You and I are closer now. | ||
| We're all part of the same conspiracy kind of thing. | ||
| That's very possible. | ||
| I was trying to come up with an explanation that involved all of the... | ||
| Basic facts being true. | ||
| Now, assuming that they aren't, that is a good explanation. | ||
| I also thought of another explanation, is that, like, maybe, I don't know, were they at the same place? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, if Alex, his wife, and this guy went to dinner or something, then it's entirely possible Alex didn't have his phone on him or something. | ||
| Both of their phones were near where a crime was committed, and they would get the same geolocation alert. | ||
| I would go so far as to say... | ||
| Alex himself is a crime. | ||
| And if you were around Alex, there's a fair chance that somebody might be looking at your phone. | ||
| Yeah, that's possible. | ||
| The explanation provided of the government was trying to investigate this guy and Alex's wife. | ||
| It's nonsense. | ||
| Yeah, no, no, no. | ||
| So if this is the level of shit we're going with, then I think that this is a guy who, like you were describing, rightly saw an opportunity for a career change. | ||
| As opposed to, is someone I'm going to take seriously as an FBI whistleblower? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So, fuck him. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, probably had to drive more than he wanted. | ||
| I bet his commute was long, and he was just like, man. | ||
| You can work from home as a bullshitter. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I can do whatever I want from a phone. | ||
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Woo! | |
| Yeah. | ||
| And no standards. | ||
| None. | ||
| None. | ||
| No bosses. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, shit's sad around Infowars headquarters. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think Alex is a real just sad image. | ||
| You gotta have a line, man. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You gotta have a line. | ||
| Defending this plane thing is... | ||
| You just gotta ignore it. | ||
| There's no way for him to take on this story and not come off like just a worm. | ||
| Yeah, you can't... | ||
| You can't cling. | ||
| If you're an Alex figure, that's got to be the hardest rule of all. | ||
| You can't cling. | ||
| If it feels like you're losing your grip, you have to let go. | ||
| Because if you try and cling, you're just going to look pathetic. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I was trying to workshop, like, what could you do? | ||
| And I think the only way you can even talk about this story, if you're Alex, and come off with any... | ||
| Dignity. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Be like, I don't know all the details of this. | ||
| Doesn't look good. | ||
| Moving on. | ||
| Like, that's about all you can do, is feign ignorance and be like, I don't know. | ||
| And then it'll blow over. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You don't have to touch every live ball, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's so much going on, you could probably gamble on enough people just not even seeing it because it only happened for a day. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, the only problem is that Drudge and Loomer are being critical of it, so maybe that's forcing the issue in his head a little bit, but he still could ignore it. | ||
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Yeah, I mean, at the end of the day, you're fighting ghosts. | |
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| Even Drudge and Loomer are fighting their own ghosts. | ||
| You're acting like they're your ghosts. | ||
| Yeah, that's crazy. | ||
| They're all shadowboxing. | ||
| Yep, it's Pac-Man shit. | ||
| Yeah, it's crazy. | ||
| So we'll check in, see how low he can go. | ||
| But until then, we have a website. | ||
| Indeed we do. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| Yep, we'll be back. | ||
| But until then, I'm Neo. | ||
| I'm Leo. | ||
| I'm DZX Clark. | ||
| I am the Mysterious Professor. | ||
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Woo, yeah, woo! | |
| Yeah, woo! | ||
| And now... | ||
| Here comes the sex robots. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |
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