#1036: Mystery Babylon #6
In this installment, Dan and Jordan attempt to learn more about the mystery cult that runs the world, as well as Bill Cooper's relationship with plagiarism, and are arguably unsuccessful on both counts.
May 12, 2025 - Knowledge Fight
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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| Dan and Jordan. | ||
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| I need, I need money. | ||
| Andy and Kansas. | ||
| Andy and, Andy. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| Andy and, Andy and Kansas. | ||
|
unidentified
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It's time to pray. | |
| Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding us. | ||
| Hello, Alex. | ||
| I'm a first time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your room. | ||
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| Knowledgefight.com. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
|
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I'm Dan. | |
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are. | ||
|
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Dan. | |
| Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Quick question for you. | ||
| What's up? | ||
| What's your bright spot today, buddy? | ||
| My bright spot is I have some of these peppers going. | ||
| I have some of these bell peppers. | ||
|
unidentified
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Sure. | |
| Purple and white. | ||
| Peppers, they've got some fruit growing, and I'm excited about that. | ||
| But there's been one plant, I have some Thai peppers, that just refused to have any fruit. | ||
| Flowers would come, I'd try and pollinate them, I'd try and like, hey, come on guys. | ||
| I'd give them a pep talk. | ||
| Play a little Barry White. | ||
| Yeah, nothing was working. | ||
| And I just, yesterday, went and gave them a little check. | ||
| Got like four peppers. | ||
| Oh, shit! | ||
| That all popped out around the same time, and so I've got some Thai peppers coming. | ||
| Yeah, you've got literally a peck of pickled, or just a peck of regular peppers. | ||
| Yeah, I'm not gonna pickle them. | ||
| How many's a peck? | ||
| 20? | ||
| It's like a grip. | ||
| It's like a grip? | ||
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unidentified
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Mm-hmm. | |
| I don't know. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It's like a whole mess of them. | ||
| A bunch of bunches. | ||
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unidentified
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Mm-hmm. | |
| Gotcha. | ||
| All right, man. | ||
| So that's fun. | ||
| I'm seeing some patience pay off. | ||
| Yeah, that's nice. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So what's your bright spot? | ||
| I like it. | ||
| My bright spot is I went, saw my family yesterday. | ||
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Yep. | |
| For combination Mother's Day. | ||
| We didn't get together during Easter. | ||
| Slash Easter. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I saw my, I met my new niece. | ||
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Ah. | |
| Met my new niece. | ||
| Little Phoebe. | ||
| She's very small. | ||
| She's a baby. | ||
| Did you figure out where she stands politically? | ||
| Not yet. | ||
| Not yet. | ||
| But she's, my wife called her, she was wearing like a little onesie thing where the thing that she looked like a sloth didn't go over well. | ||
| When my wife was like, oh, you look like a sloth. | ||
| People were like, no, no, no, she does not look like a sloth. | ||
| So political beliefs are... | ||
| Not a sloth. | ||
| Not a sloth. | ||
| So was it a onesie that was supposed to look like a sloth? | ||
| No. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| No. | ||
| Okay, so this was your wife's assessment of the onesie as opposed to it being a costume for a baby. | ||
| I think baby sloths are very cute. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I have strong feelings towards the cuteness of baby sloths. | ||
| Baby sloth. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| That's too fast. | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I think sloths are cute. | ||
| For the most part, but they do have claws. | ||
| They do have weird claws. | ||
| Because she was wearing the sleeves that had the coverings on it, so you couldn't see her hands, so it looked like she had the long claws. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That was the thing. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And the family did not enjoy this. | ||
| I think maybe it was just my little sister, who did not appreciate being told. | ||
| Because your sister thinks that her baby is super fast. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| It's something along those lines. | ||
| Seems like a pointless fight to have. | ||
| There is no fight. | ||
| I wonder if there is something like an animal that's really ugly that you could say that your baby looks like that would be right to take offense at. | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
| I don't know, because simultaneously, while we were there, it was revealed that one of her friends had just had a baby literally that moment, and they showed us a picture, and everybody was like, ah, that's a hideous baby. | ||
| That's an ugly old man-faced baby. | ||
| One, I hope they're fans. | ||
| But that baby wasn't there, and the parents of the baby weren't there, so you can talk all the shit you want. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| But sloth still doesn't seem like that much of an insult. | ||
| I don't think it was taken as an insult. | ||
| I think it was just a weird little thing that they had. | ||
| Look, I'm invested in mending fences here. | ||
| Hey, listen, I understand. | ||
|
unidentified
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I'm trying to resolve this non-existent conflict. | |
| Well, it's fun. | ||
| Do y 'all find a bunch of eggs? | ||
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unidentified
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Yeah. | |
| Go on an egg hunt? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Candy? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Most of the eggs tossed about all over the place. | ||
| Very easy to find eggs. | ||
| Main reason being, the age of the children, five and two. | ||
| Yeah, can't go too complicated. | ||
| Can't go too complicated there. | ||
| Is your family a family that uses paws? | ||
| The dyes. | ||
| Do you dye eggs? | ||
| No, we do not dye eggs. | ||
| None of that vinegar business. | ||
| I grew up trying my hardest to dye eggs. | ||
| Not an artistically refined family. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Everyone tried. | ||
| We were all covered in dye at the end of it. | ||
| So every time we did that, it was like a never again thing. | ||
| And then finally the never again stuck. | ||
| Yeah, we would dye eggs, but it wouldn't look good. | ||
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It wouldn't look good? | |
| It would be a mess. | ||
| It's not artistic at all. | ||
| And then every year, of course, there would be, like, the egg that cracks, has a crack in it, so then the inside of the egg has died. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, and you open it up and you act surprised. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, every single year, it's like, oh, that happened. | ||
| Pretending this didn't happen last year? | ||
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Eh. | |
| Anyway, good times. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Fun. | ||
| We just use the regular reusable plastic eggs. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| That open on their own and then close up again. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Those are good eggs. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So, a bad egg is something we're going to talk about today. | ||
| Oh, shit! | ||
| Hey! | ||
| Transitions! | ||
| So, our primary ding-dong, Alex, was at a studio on Friday. | ||
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unidentified
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Okay. | |
| And so, I felt that was an opportunity. | ||
| That we could continue learning about the mystery cult that runs the world through continuing Mystery Babylon. | ||
| We're going to talk about Bill Cooper, lecture number six. | ||
| Do you think Alex is going to Italy to get to the bottom of this Pope business? | ||
| No, because I don't think Leo's in Italy. | ||
| No, I don't think so. | ||
| I think he's probably dealing with legal matters about his business. | ||
| Yeah, that probably would make sense. | ||
| And how the Connecticut Supreme Court ruled against him and he's out of moves. | ||
| Sure, that's fair. | ||
| I think that's probably more likely. | ||
| But we're going to be talking about this lecture six. | ||
| Even though I think that we were a little bit deflated, quite a bit deflated by the plagiarism of lecture five, I thought, hey, that's no reason to... | ||
| Abandon ship just yet. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| We may get to witches. | ||
| God, we need to. | ||
| So we'll find out if we do today. | ||
| But first, let's say hello to some new wonks. | ||
| Ooh, that's a great idea. | ||
| So first, what's this in my mailbag? | ||
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unidentified
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Yep. | |
| Buttons. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
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unidentified
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, hey Timothy, thanks for getting me into Knowledge Fight. | ||
| Now go beat Ganondorf in Tears of the Kingdom. | ||
| You've been putting it off for 500 hours. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
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unidentified
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| And GarrettZekker.com shouts me out in my website where my writing lives. | ||
| Nothing weird. | ||
| All free. | ||
| Promise. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
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unidentified
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you very much! | ||
| And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan, so thank you so much to Read the Department of Truth by James Dinian IV. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a technocrat. | ||
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unidentified
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. | ||
| Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. | ||
| Daddy Shark. | ||
| Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. | ||
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unidentified
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He's a loser little titty baby. | |
| I don't want to hate black people. | ||
| I renounce Jesus Christ. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| Yes, thank you very much. | ||
| So we start off at the beginning of this. | ||
| Well, I'll say, I'll just give you a little bit of... | ||
| Unclipped background of stuff that's going on. | ||
| Bill is promoting a lecture that he's going to be doing at a New Age UFO conference. | ||
| And he's defensive about how he's not part of the New Age. | ||
| This whole thing is about how the New Age people are the mystery religion. | ||
| He's like, I'm not part of the New Age. | ||
| I'm not into ufology. | ||
| But anyone will let you go to their conference if you just buy a table. | ||
| So he's going... | ||
| And he's going to give a lecture about how the mystery religion killed Kennedy. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And I was able to find that lecture, so I might cover it at some point in the future. | ||
| I don't know if maybe I'm laughing because it's ridiculous or if I'm laughing because I think that was the exact right move at the time. | ||
| And that's part of a lot of why we are where we are is that those people were like, fuck yeah, I'll go to a new age conference. | ||
| I don't agree with any of this bullshit, but I'll spout Nazi shit to them. | ||
| And then now we're here where they're all Nazis now. | ||
| Yeah, it's a real smoke them if you got them situation. | ||
| Anyone who will let me be around, maybe, you know, hey, maybe it's a waste of time, but... | ||
| I get, you know, I remember, like, participating in, like, fundraising drives for charity. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, where you would stand next to a bell or whatever. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And, like, you know, around Christmas time or whatever. | ||
| People, you'd be outside the grocery store and people would put money in the can. | ||
| And I remember the mentality of, like, every little bit counts. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, if someone puts a dime in, that's not small. | ||
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Sure. | |
| That's something that counts. | ||
| Every bit counts. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And I think that that's the mentality that Bill and these folks had with spreading their information. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wise. | ||
| It's paid off. | ||
| It has. | ||
| Douchebags. | ||
| Bill's plugging this appearance at that conference. | ||
| And then he gets to the meat of the show proper. | ||
| And he's just reading A. Ralph Emerson's book again. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| He's just started off chapter two. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| Something is wrong in America. | ||
| No doubt about it. | ||
| There's a new religion appearing. | ||
| Many of you call it the New Age religion. | ||
| And it appears to be the exact opposite of the Old Age religion, meaning the religion of the Jews and the Christians. | ||
| It's not really that different. | ||
| I've studied it. | ||
| I've talked to people who practice it. | ||
| They claim it's not a religion, but it is. | ||
| Christ has ceased to become a man, the Son of God, the actual Manifestation of God in the flesh on earth, and it's become the consciousness, the Christ consciousness. | ||
| And anyone can be Christ if they have this Christ consciousness in the New Age religion. | ||
| Now, these are the two religions, the Christian religion and the Jewish religion, that set the United States on its course, because these religions taught that mankind had some basic human rights. | ||
| They held that the family was the basic unit in all of the world. | ||
| They believed in the right to private property. | ||
| They believed in the unalienable, which is defined as being incapable of being surrendered, right to life. | ||
| They held that each person had the right to worship their God, and they held that all had the right to freedom of association. | ||
| As shall be so disclosed during this series... | ||
| These positions... | ||
| We're deemed to be self-evident by those who wrote the American Declaration of Independence in the Constitution. | ||
| So right off the bat, Bill is up to his old tricks covering up this plagiarism. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| The original text said, quote, as shall be documented in this study, which you can hear Bill editing as he reads at the end there when he changed documented to disclosed and this study to this series. | ||
| It's very intentional. | ||
| Yeah, this episode in particular ends up becoming really confusing on this front. | ||
| On account of it's supposed to be a book that you're reading, but instead a man is reading it to you while pretending that it's not a book. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That is a unique experience. | ||
| There are distinct choices that are made in order to obscure the fact that this is a book. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's not cool. | ||
| No, I wonder if you could get away with a TV show that is really just one guy reading a book, but there would be a full-on, like... | ||
| Actors, there would be sets, there would be all of that stuff, and they would just be mouthing the whole thing. | ||
| And that's kind of what I'm feeling like we're experiencing here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Is it transformative? | ||
| Not really. | ||
| No. | ||
| So he reads on, there's a quote about the New Age being against Christianity stuff from Nietzsche. | ||
| Frederick Wilhelm Nietzsche, a German philosopher and one of the teachers of many of the world's leading communist revolutionaries and international socialists. | ||
| But the argument quite succinctly in this statement, quote, I condemn Christianity. | ||
| I raise against the Christian church the most terrible of all accusations that any accuser uttered. | ||
| It is to me the highest conceivable corruption, unquote. | ||
| Remember, the priests, the initiates of the mystery schools, believe that Christianity is a corruption of the mysteries, the worship of Lucifer, represented by the sun, the light, Osiris. | ||
| So that Nietzsche quote is from his book The Antichrist, and it's not about Osiris. | ||
| I don't think it's a controversial take to say that Nietzsche wasn't super into God, but I don't know what this has to do with the New Age kind of stuff. | ||
| This is great, this is someone who is attacking Christianity, that's for sure. | ||
| But it doesn't relate to the larger theme, the larger premise. | ||
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Yeah, I mean, I feel like now. | |
| That we live in a world of the internet, you know, where there's like, everybody can always be talking, right? | ||
| Instead of back in the day where there were so many gatekeepers that if you even published a book like something that Nietzsche wrote, you know, he was hot in argument circles at the time, kind of thing. | ||
| And now it feels like if you brought him to the present day, he's just an edgelord. | ||
| You know? | ||
| He's just another one of those shit talkers on Twitter. | ||
| And that was cool. | ||
| And now he's useful for the other people who want to talk shit on Twitter about... | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| I don't know if he's just an edgelord, but I get what you mean. | ||
| There's a bit of, like, a lot of the... | ||
| He said a lot of inflammatory things. | ||
| Yeah, you're full of shit, man. | ||
| You don't believe that. | ||
| You're just trying to get clicks. | ||
| And these people, like Bill and, you know, whoever, are using those inflammatory things in order to sidestep discussing what... | ||
| It's being discussed. | ||
| Although, it is fairly close. | ||
| I mean, he did hate Christianity. | ||
| Right, sure. | ||
| No, look. | ||
| No argument here. | ||
| Don't know if he is from Egypt. | ||
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Or... | |
| All that mystery school stuff. | ||
| I don't know where the connection is there. | ||
| But yes, fine. | ||
| I really feel like... | ||
| And maybe I'm just wrong about this. | ||
| But I feel like whoever has the claim to the oldest possible religion has a head start, right? | ||
| I feel like they have a head start on reality, or on their religion being true, if it was the very first one that people thought of. | ||
| Especially if Bill's argument is that this one predates Christianity. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Then it does seem... | ||
| I think that he doesn't deal with that enough. | ||
| Yeah, I feel like it should be more important. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So we got a Nietzsche quote, and then we got another quote from another guy who's very cool. | ||
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Ooh. | |
| Tex Mars, an author who has written, in opposition to the New Age, So Tex Mars isn't just someone who is opposed to the New Age religious ideas. | ||
| He was a raging anti-Semite. | ||
| Here's a bit from the blurb he used to sell his book, Holy Serpent of the Jews. | ||
| Quote, So far, Bill is just reading Epperson's book, which has been a Nietzsche quote and a quote from a huge bigot. | ||
| Not sure if this makes any point about the mystery religion, but I'm sure it'll all make sense down the road. | ||
| Like, I think that you have to understand some of Tex Mars' shit within the context of sometimes he was talking about the New Age as a proxy. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Because he wasn't doing his open anti-Semitic stuff at certain points in his career. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And Bill... | ||
| You should know better. | ||
| Yeah, for all, for whatever, you know, for my Nietzsche analog, Tex Mars should be a gamer tag. | ||
| Like, his name should just be Tex Mars hates Jews 6969. | ||
| Like, he's just a piece of shit. | ||
| Yeah, and these people don't, they use them as a source freely, and that's pretty shameful. | ||
| Good stuff, yeah. | ||
| So, socialists hate Christianity. | ||
| They hate it. | ||
| They've declared war. | ||
| So the socialists, the New Ager, and the Mason have declared war on the Christians. | ||
| And, as in every war, the enemy must be defeated even by bloodshed if necessary. | ||
| This war has deep roots in history, and I will cover those roots so that you will understand it perfectly where this is from. | ||
| This war is no different. | ||
| Bloodshed is anticipated by all parties in the battle. | ||
| Lovetti Lafferty and Bud Hollowell, two New Agers, started the discussion about how their religion sanctions the use of violence against the Christian community. | ||
| They wrote the following in their book entitled The Eternal Dance. | ||
| Quote, This is a time of opportunity for those who will take it, apparently meaning the New Agers, the initiates of the mystery religions, socialists. | ||
| For others, apparently the Christians, if the earth is unsuitable for them, If they will not accept the New Age religion, they will go on to other worlds, unquote, which simply means they will be exterminated. | ||
| Is that what it means? | ||
| You better listen to me, folks. | ||
| I am a messenger, and my message is unmistakable, and it had better not fall upon deaf ears, for those deaf ears will be rendered dead in the coming New World Order. | ||
| That quote that Bill reads is a really interesting one because it doesn't really imply that people who aren't into the new age will be exterminated. | ||
| It says they quote "will go on to other worlds." That could mean they'll go live on Mars or something. | ||
| It's not a scary quote and Bill could probably find something with a little more weight behind it except that he's just reading Epperson's book and this is the quote that Epperson included. | ||
| That part at the end though after the quote that's And it shows that narcissistic flair and hatred of the stupid people. | ||
| He's just stealing someone else's book, and he has the nerve to ramble about how he's the messenger bringing humanity this important information that humans are too stupid to realize. | ||
| Wild. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He has a lot of that in him. | ||
| These stupid people. | ||
| Yeah, that's rough. | ||
| That's rough. | ||
| You will die if you don't listen to me. | ||
| Like, I respect the position that you're in, being Epperson or wherever, and you're like, well, if they say... | ||
| Go on to other worlds. | ||
| That's fairly easy to like slant rhyme your way into that's genocide. | ||
| But man, that misses all the vibes that New Age brings to just about everything. | ||
| Sure, and Epperson in his text does end up having more quotes of people who are like the people who... | ||
| Do not enter the Enlightenment, will not be suited to survive in the New World. | ||
| Sure, that makes more sense, yeah. | ||
| Those kinds of quotes are more like, you're gonna die if you don't evolve, or whatever. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, adapt or die, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, so there are those, which he's trying to tie to this one. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But it doesn't all naturally flow together. | ||
| Yeah, New Age. | ||
| I bring this up because I think that... | ||
| Bill is selling this as an example of that, and it isn't that. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| He's bound to the text in a way that he's not really making sense. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This new-agey kind of thing, yeah. | ||
| There's a lot of tone in there. | ||
| You gotta have a lot of tone to make it clear. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, Bill reads here from, I mean, it's just Epperson. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| It's about a pamphlet. | ||
| Oh, no! | ||
| Another example of New Age thinking on this vital issue came from a pamphlet available in a bookstore selling New Age material. | ||
| It was published by something called The Guardian Action Publications of New Mexico, and it was entitled Cosmic Countdown. | ||
| This pamphlet alleged that it had received these thoughts from something called higher intelligence. | ||
| And it directed its attention to the hunger disease problem in the Third World, and the pamphlet simply stated, quote, The world should be forewarned to be only lookout for diseases which have been suppressed for years, suddenly rearing their ugly heads and decimating populations already on the verge of starvation in the Third World nations. | ||
| Although these peoples will eventually be replaced by the new root race about to make its appearance in a newly cleansed world, nevertheless, for the moment, this is a tragedy." You see, they have made incredible admissions, but none of you are looking, none of you are reading, none of you are absorbing. | ||
| In fact, most of you are so stupid that you think that the only thing you should read is what you personally believe in or agree with. | ||
| So that anger at stupid people, that's all, Bill. | ||
| But the rest of it is him just reading Epperson, who apparently thinks he's found very important sourcing in a random bookstore. | ||
| He found a pamphlet called Cosmic Countdown, put out by someone called the Guardian Action Publications of New Mexico. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Is this a source that means anything? | ||
| Should we really take this all that seriously? | ||
| So this is an interesting instance of double plagiarism. | ||
| Oh, for fuck's sake. | ||
| Epperson stole this from her, and Bill is now stealing it from Epperson. | ||
| Great. | ||
| And what's at the core of it is just some nonsense pamphlet of somebody who talked to an alien. | ||
| Yeah, I resent them bringing up a pamphlet, period. | ||
| I resent being forced to speak about pamphlets. | ||
| I don't think anything that comes in a pamphlet, it's the exact wrong size for any amount of information. | ||
| And the word is incorrect. | ||
| Pamphlet. | ||
| Terrible. | ||
| Hate it. | ||
| Even if there wasn't this dubious chain of custody for the information, and it was presented totally appropriately, you're right. | ||
| It's still just a pamphlet that someone found. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| I've seen so much crazy shit at independent bookstores and don't really take it seriously as the plotting of the enemy or something. | ||
| No, it is a literary version of like... | ||
| Can you believe what this fortune cookie says? | ||
| Like, fuck you. | ||
| If you're coming at me with a pamphlet, fuck you. | ||
| And I would criticize Bill a little more, except he's just reading a book. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, like, he didn't choose to include this. | ||
| The guy who wrote the book did. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which means either he should be criticized a little bit less or a lot more. | ||
| I think a little bit less on one count and a lot more on another. | ||
| A lot more on another, yeah. | ||
| There's no editorial oversight. | ||
| Especially if you're closing it out with, you think the only thing worth reading is what you think is worth reading! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, well... | ||
| Have you ever read that pamphlet, Bill? | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| What are we doing? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What's everybody doing right now? | ||
| I did find this pamphlet on eBay, but someone had already bought it. | ||
| Motherfucker! | ||
| I was thinking about buying a copy of it. | ||
| Just see what's going on with this cosmic countdown that clearly was real. | ||
| So, Bill goes on. | ||
| To show that the New Agers are talking about the physical death of the enemy, one must only search the writings of other New Agers. | ||
| Another believer to write on the subject of the destruction of those who will not accept the new religion was Ruth Montgomery. | ||
| And she has been quoted as saying in a transcribed interview carried by a magazine called Magical Blend, quote, Millions will survive and millions won't. | ||
| Those who won't will go into the spirit state because there is truly no death, unquote. | ||
| Estimates of the number to perish have been made by some New Agers. | ||
| One who has made such an estimate is John Randolph Price, who was quoted by Tex Mars in his book about the New Age, and he said that, quote, John Randolph Price was told by his spirit guide that up to two and one half billion might perish in the coming chaos." And we already know that the goal of the plan called Global 2000 is to deplete the population by two billion people by the year 2000. | ||
| How'd that go? | ||
| Well, we got Tex Mars, noted lunatic anti-Semite, who's quoting this other guy who apparently heard from his spirit guide. | ||
| What are we doing? | ||
| What are we doing? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Quoting random pamphlets from bookstores that Bill's never read. | ||
| Some guy's fucking spirit guide. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| If you're at a New Age party, everybody's fucking... | ||
| Doing their own thing, and then there's the guy who's like, you know, the future's gonna be fucked up, and everybody's like, man, you're having your own vibes. | ||
| You get the fuck away from here. | ||
| And now Tex Myers is making that guy the representative for everybody at this party? | ||
| Fuck you, man! | ||
| That guy's the creep! | ||
| Yeah, my spirit guy told me, fuck you. | ||
| No, you gotta get out of here, man. | ||
| And I think that if you're somebody who's trying to take seriously your obligation to prove that there's a mystery cult that runs the world, these are embarrassing Data points. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| At the very least, have a little bit more humility than all of you dum-dums don't read the books I read. | ||
| Again, because he did not read that pamphlet. | ||
| Yes, exactly. | ||
| If you'd read that pamphlet... | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| I still wouldn't care, but it would be a little bit closer to, like, you earned that people are stupid. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Now you're an asshole. | ||
| Yeah, total asshole. | ||
| So we get to some other... | ||
| Sources about this New Age stuff. | ||
| And I thought that this was a really interesting one too. | ||
| Now Weishaupt, folks, was aware of the enormous power of government. | ||
| Talking about Adam Weishaupt, the Illuminati fan. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And he desired its power for his members. | ||
| He committed his organization to its infiltration. | ||
| Then he committed it to unspeakable purposes. | ||
| Anything that would further the goal of the Illuminati. | ||
| He even went on to grant permission to his members to distort the truth by lying if it would further their goals. | ||
| He wrote this, quote, There must not a single purpose ever come in sight that may betray our aims against religion and the state. | ||
| One must speak sometimes one way and sometimes another, but so as never to contradict ourselves, and so that with respect to our true way of thinking we may be impenetrable, unquote. | ||
| And you wonder why politicians continually lie and continually break their promises. | ||
| And no matter who you elect, Republican or Democrat, it doesn't make any difference. | ||
| Perhaps a perfect example of an oath that these initiates take somewhere along the road to the pinnacle inside the secret society was given in a book written by George Orwell, entitled 1984. | ||
| Mr. Orwell has an initiate into a secret society called The Brotherhood in his story ask these questions. | ||
| Are you prepared to give your life? | ||
| Are you prepared to commit murder? | ||
| Are you prepared to commit acts of sabotage which may cause the death of hundreds of innocent people? | ||
| Are you prepared to betray your country to foreign powers? | ||
| Are you prepared to cheat, to forge, to blackmail, to corrupt the minds of children, to distribute habit-forming drugs, to encourage prostitution, to disseminate venereal diseases, to do anything which is likely to cause demoralization and weaken the power of the people? | ||
| Are you prepared to commit suicide if and when we order you to do so? | ||
| This, folks, is an example of the philosophy that the ends justify the means. | ||
| The initiate should do As he was required, as long as the act benefited the brotherhood, there is no morality under such an oath. | ||
| So Bill just jumps from something Adam Weishaupt allegedly said over to a passage from George Orwell's fictional book, 1984. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This isn't good work. | ||
| It is blending sources in a way that doesn't distinguish between what's real and what's made up. | ||
| Blurring that line is a really critical part of the conspiracy theory dissemination, which is why you see it so consistently with Bill and Alex. | ||
| Adam Weishaupt was a real person, and the Illuminati that he founded was real. | ||
| However, tons of lore has been built up around it to the point where if you're talking to someone and they bring him up, you never really know if what they're saying is based on something real or something from a pamphlet they found at a bookstore. | ||
| So, citing him is dicey ground, but it's meant to signal to something that's real. | ||
| It's non-fiction. | ||
| But 1984 was fiction. | ||
| The Brotherhood didn't exist, and this oath that the initiate is made to give isn't real. | ||
| It feels real because it's well-written fiction that mirrors elements of the real world and feelings that people have about the callousness of people in powerful positions, but it's not something that you can use as a reference to make a point about a real secret society that you're trying to discuss and unveil in this lecture series. | ||
| Saying these people are like the Brotherhood is fine, and I wouldn't really complain too much about that, but this is a passage where evidence is supposed to be being presented, and including this here is just shit. | ||
| Ultimately, Bill is still just reading Epperson, so my criticism is really for Epperson, but Bill's gonna take the heat, because he chose to steal bad Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, you're the worst raccoon. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Here's my pitch, all right? | ||
| We got to figure out a way to do some sort of like, you know, like crop rotation. | ||
| You know, like if you plant corn all the time, you're going to suck out all the stuff. | ||
| So you got to plant soybeans and then you got to plant, you know, you got to rotate the crops. | ||
| We got to do that with our dystopias. | ||
| We can't, nobody can talk about 1984 anymore. | ||
| Five-year moratorium. | ||
| Pick a different one for the next, until 2030. | ||
| You can't talk about 1984. | ||
| Well, did you like how earlier Bill referenced Global 2000? | ||
| Right! | ||
| Agenda 21! | ||
| Right! | ||
| Agenda 2030! | ||
| That was maybe the obsession before it. | ||
| Before Agenda 21. Jesus. | ||
| Came along. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Yeah, it would be good. | ||
| It would be good if we had a different hellscape. | ||
| Just pick one. | ||
| I think we should just start talking about The Giver more. | ||
| Let's just start talking about The Giver. | ||
| Ah! | ||
| How do they make those memories going through the guy's hands? | ||
| All right. | ||
| Let's obsess about that and how that was predictive programming. | ||
| I think it's important. | ||
| So I've realized that Bill, he structures his show in such a way that he just goes, he takes a break whenever he hits the end of a chapter. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So he's reading this chapter, and then he plays a song. | ||
| But this callous disregard for the right to life of every human on the face of the earth has been predicted before in the New Testament. | ||
| John was moved to write in John 6, verse 12. Quote, Yea, the time cometh that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God's service. | ||
| Unquote. | ||
| The New World Order, ladies and gentlemen, will sail in on a sea of blood. | ||
| We have to take a short break now, folks. | ||
| Don't go away. | ||
| I'll be right back after this short pause. | ||
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Can you hear me in the booth? | |
| Riding clear, Lisa. | ||
| So he goes to break and he plays another song from the Simpsons Sing the Blues album. | ||
| It's Lisa's version of God Bless the Child. | ||
| Yeah, I heard that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I heard that. | ||
| That was strange. | ||
| Yeah, he plays more of it, but I didn't want to risk any kind of copyright. | ||
| He did that on purpose. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he did. | ||
| Well, because he played the Mr. Burns and Smithers song on the last episode, and now he's played Lisa. | ||
| I think he likes that album. | ||
| It's very eclectic. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't think he has rights to play these songs. | ||
| No, I do not think so. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know if Matt Groening would be interested in that. | ||
| But I do enjoy how basically he ends his segments whenever there's nothing left to steal. | ||
| He's come to the end of the chapter, but now we're going to play this Simpsons song. | ||
| That's so crazy to me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's like... | ||
| I don't know what the explanation for... | ||
| All of what he's doing really is. | ||
| You know, like if I sat down and we're like, okay, get rid of all of the trappings of you being a radio show host or any of that bullshit and just like, tell me your plan. | ||
| I'm going to read this book on the radio and lie and act like I'm saying these things. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right? | ||
| I don't understand, though, how you don't know that if you have a... | ||
| Chapter break and then play a song. | ||
| It is far easier for me to catch up with the whole you're reading a book thing. | ||
| Well, it is now, but at any point it would be just as easy if all you had access to was if you have the book or you don't. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Yeah, I guess that's fair. | ||
| I don't think it's any more or less brazen in a time when it would be much harder to track down what are you saying. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think it's weirder that he's playing Simpsons songs. | ||
| I think that, no, no, I agree. | ||
| That feels like one of those just idiosyncrasies that some people just, it comes out somewhere. | ||
| I thought they were supposed to have been the ones who like really destroyed the family that Bill's so... | ||
| Cares a lot about. | ||
| I recall not being encouraged to watch The Simpsons because of their immorality. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Weird. | ||
| So, he goes to break and plays Lisa, sings the blues. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And then he comes back, and I was like, motherfucker, you're just reading chapter three of this book. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Well, let's continue here. | ||
| The New Age religion, folks, is going to have a worldwide leader. | ||
| A charismatic political and religious leader that they call Lord Maitreya. | ||
| At least so far that's who they call him, or that's what they call him. | ||
| This individual, as far as I know, has not made his public appearance yet, but the New Agers claim that he is on the earth at the present time. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| We gotta worry about Lord Maitreya. | ||
| Bummer. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's a rough one. | ||
| Well, that's what the third chapter is about, so that's what we're gonna be talking about. | ||
| On top of everything else. | ||
| On top of everything else we got going on, now we got Lord Maitreya. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And guess what? | ||
| This motherfucker. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This Lord Maitreya guy. | ||
| Good guy? | ||
| No. | ||
| What? | ||
| Well, I guess it depends on your perspective. | ||
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Okay. | |
| But I will tell you that he's got a fucking army. | ||
| Tess Mars has quoted this individual as saying, quote, My army is ready for battle. | ||
| My masters of wisdom and myself at the head. | ||
| That battle will be fought for the continuance of man on this earth. | ||
| Rest assured that my army shall triumph. | ||
| Unquote. | ||
| Well, it appears that the battle to be fought between the followers of Lord Maitreya and the rest of humanity is still in the future. | ||
| But at least one of the participants has an army already prepared. | ||
| How about you? | ||
| That's scary. | ||
| Some Nazi has told me that a make-believe guy has an army? | ||
| Ah, yeah. | ||
| Great. | ||
| I mean, I strongly suggest... | ||
| That I'm not going to be afraid of an army until I have at the very least some evidence that this army exists. | ||
| Or the person who's in charge of it is real and not the imagined fantasies of a Nazi? | ||
| No, I trust anybody who has masters of wisdom by his side leading an army. | ||
| I just don't know about the size of the army. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You know, army is a relative term. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Sometimes there's some pretty small armies. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But then again... | ||
| There's an army of one, I've heard, from the TV. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Every single soldier is but an army of one. | ||
| And you can't underestimate something just based on its size. | ||
| We learned this at Thermopylae. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| Yeah, so I think you should be wise to... | ||
| Was Lord Maitreya at Thermopylae too? | ||
| He was in play. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| It had something to do with Xerxes or something. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| They got an army, though, and I don't care. | ||
| I don't care about any of this. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| It's very strange. | ||
| It's very strange what we're doing here. | ||
| So Bill confuses me a little bit by... | ||
| He's talking about one of these New Age people making predictions. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And he confuses me with his tone. | ||
| One who claims to have seen the birth in a vision of someone who seems to fulfill the requirements of this Maitreya was astrologer Jean Dixon. | ||
| Her major claim to being a prophet is her prediction, reportedly made before the event of the assassination of President John Kennedy in 1963. | ||
| However, her credentials were dealt a serious blow in 1968 when she also prophesied that the Soviet Union would be the first to put a man on the moon. | ||
| Another of her prophecies was that the Republican Party would be victorious in 1968. | ||
| And it was with the election of Richard Nixon, a Republican. | ||
| But she also predicted that within the following decade, 1970 to 1979, the two-party system, as we have known it, will vanish from the American scene. | ||
| She further predicted that Richard M. Nixon had excellent vibrations for the good of America and would serve the country well. | ||
| So you can see that she's a very accurate person from which to judge the course of the future. | ||
| What? | ||
| I want to know the truth, folks. | ||
| I am the most accurate prophet of future events in history. | ||
| In history. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Wait, what? | ||
| Are we just ending with that? | ||
| Yeah, that wasn't part of the text that he's reading from. | ||
| That was more of a big brag that he decided to throw in on the side. | ||
| And I kind of, I don't know if you'll agree with me fully, but I feel like he shouldn't be laughing at this person's failed predictions, because... | ||
| He's supposed to be making me feel scared of these New Age people and the mystical powers of Lord Maitreya. | ||
| If they can't do shit and they don't have powers, I'm not scared of them. | ||
| And I don't care about raising up an army to kill people who leave pamphlets at random bookstores. | ||
| The idea that Gene Dixon is a fake prophet and was wrong about stuff, actually, I feel like it works against Bill's larger thesis. | ||
| But then again, he's just reading someone else's book, so he doesn't have control over the content that he's going to read. | ||
| But, like, they should have some powers. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, I mean, look, okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So, like, if your god is real, right, and you're wearing your armor of god, right, you're not afraid of not real gods. | ||
| That's the idea. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| Because you've got the real one, right? | ||
| But if there's multiple, if you've got, like... | ||
| Good pantheon, bad pantheon, then you're just in the balance. | ||
| You're trying to pick somebody who's on your team. | ||
| Without the devil or without... | ||
| If a new age guy is just an asshole who's talking shit, then by being afraid of him, I'm blaspheming my own god. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yeah, I guess. | ||
| I guess the feeling that I have is more just like, this is supposed to be something that goes back to like... | ||
| He was talking about them being able to do magic in a past episode. | ||
| So, like, if it's not, and they're just random shit, like, they can't predict anything, they don't really do magic, you shouldn't be laughing at them. | ||
| You should take this deadly serious. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| You think they can do magic. | ||
| God can do magic, magic people can do magic. | ||
| This is a fight, you know? | ||
| Like, if magic people are just talking shit... | ||
| God can do magic, man! | ||
| My magic wins! | ||
| Yeah, and Bill said that he's the most accurate prophet, so he should take prophecy seriously. | ||
| Yeah, what are we doing? | ||
| I can laugh at both of them, because I don't believe either of them are prophets. | ||
| I don't believe any of this shit! | ||
| But Bill should... | ||
| His tone just... | ||
| I don't get it. | ||
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It's... | |
| I mean, yeah, but it's... | ||
| It happens every time. | ||
| It happens every time somebody's like, ha ha, can you believe those idiots believe that? | ||
| And then you interrogate what they believe, and you're like, I don't know if you should be doing that. | ||
| Yeah, that does happen a lot. | ||
| So, Bill does some more plagiarism-y stuff here. | ||
| But in any event, Ruth Montgomery wrote a book about her entitled The Gift of Prophecy, in which she wrote about the very revealing and intriguing vision that Gene Dixon allegedly had. | ||
| Quote. | ||
| The vision, which Jean considers the most significant and soul-stirring of her life, occurred on February the 5th, 1962. | ||
| She saw the brightest sun she had ever seen. | ||
| Isn't it funny how the sun always pops into this stuff? | ||
| Now remember that reference to the sun, folks. | ||
| So in the original text from Epperson, there's a parenthetical comment that says, quote, the reader is asked to remember this reference to the sun. | ||
| Bill wanted to retain the point of that comment because it loops back to his Egypt shit from earlier episodes, but he knows that if he said the reader is... | ||
| it would become clear that he was reading a text that was meant to be read, not like a script for a radio show that he could have written. | ||
| It feels like it's flogging a dead horse a little bit at this point, but I feel like instances like this are clear. | ||
| There's an intent to them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We get to the end of this episode. | ||
| He finishes Chapter 3, and then here is what he says at the end. | ||
| Ladies and gentlemen, dear listeners, so that you would realize that I'm not making any of this up, I took last night's program and tonight's program verbatim from the introduction all the way through Chapter 3 of a book entitled The New World Order by my good friend A. Ralph Epperson. | ||
| Again, the title of the book is The New World Order by A. Ralph Epperson, and you can order that book in any good bookstore. | ||
| If you can't find it in your area, contact us, and we will make arrangements with Mr. Epperson to be able to furnish that book to you if you would like to purchase it. | ||
| I also recommend that you purchase my book, Behold a Pale Horse. | ||
| It's a handbook for what's going to happen in the coming years, especially in this country. | ||
| And without it, you will be crippled. | ||
| If you would like to purchase my book, Behold a Pale Horse, if you're a CADG member, send $25. | ||
| That includes postage and handling. | ||
| If you're not a CADG member, send $30. | ||
| That includes postage and handling. | ||
| So, he says that he's just read from this guy's book. | ||
| But I also feel like it's a ploy to sell his book. | ||
| I feel like it's part of an ad. | ||
| The discussing that I took this from a book. | ||
| But he also says, I read verbatim. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's not true. | ||
| That's a lie. | ||
| He editorialized considerably along the way. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| And also, he does not say I had permission. | ||
| There's no indication of permission from Epperson, just an acknowledgement here. | ||
| This is not the right place for it. | ||
| He didn't make it clear on the other episode. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| This is weird. | ||
| I mean, maybe Epperson called him out for it. | ||
| No, I don't think so. | ||
| It seems hard to believe, but at the same time, his argument for why he did it apparently was... | ||
| So I would know he's not making anything up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which is an insane argument for why you would just read verbatim somebody else's book. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| As if you were saying it. | ||
| Yeah, he means this to almost be a little bit of a reveal, like a ta-da. | ||
| Right, but that's not... | ||
| You guys all thought that I was just saying these things, right? | ||
| Did we? | ||
| I didn't. | ||
| I thought you were plagiarizing something. | ||
| Yeah, the reveal in the audience's mind is supposed to be like, oh my god, this isn't just Bill. | ||
| He's reading a book that someone published. | ||
| I guess that's what it's supposed to be. | ||
| But even still, that doesn't get him off the hook for the ways he changed the text in order to present it as his own. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Along the way. | ||
| There's still intent. | ||
| This is a true curveball. | ||
| I genuinely don't understand. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| This is, like, I'm trying to think, because I do think that he has, like, if I was talking to him, he would be able to explain in a way that makes sense to him what it is that he's doing, right? | ||
| And so I'm trying to reverse engineer something that would make sense to this person. | ||
| And I don't, I can't think of anything for this one. | ||
| It's hard. | ||
| It's hard. | ||
| And I think that you also run into what is gained by this little trick or whatever. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I don't think that these passages that he stole were so important to proving his Mystery Babylon stuff. | ||
| Like, what's with this pamphlet? | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't care about Lord Maitreya. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| Also, if... | ||
| Okay, so you were reading this to me. | ||
| So I would know that you're not just making this up. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So that guy made it up. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Right. | ||
| What are we doing here? | ||
| Okay, so you're not even taking responsibility for the bullshit that you're spouting at me. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Is that what's happening? | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| This is insane! | ||
| That is such a... | ||
| I swear, that makes... | ||
| Less sense to me than anything that's happened so far. | ||
| Is that him revealing, aha! | ||
| Actually, I've been stealing! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What? | ||
| And it also doesn't take into account the other stuff that he's plagiarized. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| It's not just this book that he's done that with, even in the Mystery Babylon series. | ||
| So, like, it does... | ||
| Yeah, I'm completely confused. | ||
| Inexplicable. | ||
| Yeah, I am flabbergasted. | ||
| I think that this doesn't get him off the hook for the behaviors. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| It is a weird move, and because he goes on to describe how you can buy his book, I think some of it is the intention of revealing, like, this is all from a book, and you can buy my book. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I think there's a salesy aspect to it. | ||
| I can see that. | ||
| I can see that. | ||
| I just, man. | ||
| Inexplicable. | ||
| Inexplicable. | ||
| He's a weird guy. | ||
| Yeah, he is a weird guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So we have one last clip after he has come clean about this. | ||
| What a weird choice! | ||
| This is going to make you even more confused. | ||
| How is that possible? | ||
| Because I think there's something to build speaking from the heart. | ||
| Folks, we are nearing the end of the road of civilization as we know it unless we wake up. | ||
| Unless we take control and make sure the future is what we want it to be, and one of the things that we must do now, immediately, is stop fighting amongst each other. | ||
| Stop fighting the man who doesn't look like you, or the woman who doesn't look like you, the people who have a different skin color than you do. | ||
| We must learn to live together, and it's nobody else's business what somebody else's religion is. | ||
| It doesn't hurt us if they want to practice their religion as long as they are not hurting us in the process. | ||
| So why go to war with them? | ||
| We are all brothers and sisters in this world, no matter who we are. | ||
| Let's learn to live together and love each other. | ||
| Good night, and God bless each and every one of you. | ||
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Good night, and God bless each and every one of you. | |
| It's all confusing, no reason and no rhyme. | ||
| It's just this tiny feeling, getting home before our time. | ||
| you More Simpsons songs. | ||
| Yeah, I was like, God, I know this is going to be... | ||
| Get those voices in. | ||
| Come on, let's do this. | ||
| But yeah, this is where the Bill Cooper of it all is very confusing. | ||
| Because on some level, he does have a full-throated... | ||
| Fuck this racist shit. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Like, you know, we gotta learn to live together. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Most of what he ends up perpetuating and supporting is not in line with that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he's promoting and relying on sources like Tex Mars, which undercut his seeming interest in living together. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But that message, choosing to end the show with that is pretty... | ||
| Maybe it means something, right? | ||
| Does it? | ||
| No. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, I guess it starts, like, that's, to me, that message from Bill Cooper, that's what we should view America as. | ||
| Like, that is it. | ||
| That is the all men are created equal. | ||
| Eh, not black people. | ||
| Eh. | ||
| Women aren't allowed. | ||
| And like, we'll just pick and choose when and if everybody's created equal. | ||
| But when I want to feel like I'm a good person. | ||
| Right. | ||
| When I want to feel like... | ||
| I'm an Enlightenment-era thinker. | ||
| I'm not just out here fucking... | ||
| I'm talking about Aristotle and shit, you know? | ||
| That's whenever I can tell you that we need to stop fighting each other. | ||
| We need to... | ||
| It doesn't matter what race you are. | ||
| No women still. | ||
| But no, it doesn't matter what race... | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like, it's crazy. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's still a weird thing to hear. | ||
| Like, on its face... | ||
| If you take away all of the baggage that's around it, it's a positive message. | ||
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Sure! | |
| That you don't expect militia, right-wing weirdo. | ||
| No, I mean, it could be argued, maybe even convincingly, that regardless of the sincerity of that, like, all rights, all of us are created equal being a thing. | ||
| By making it the end goal, by making it something that the arrow is pointing towards, it is good. | ||
| Regardless of the fact that it came from slave-owning pieces of shit. | ||
| But at the same time... | ||
| Slave-owning pieces of shit can go fuck themselves! | ||
| It's such a weird contradiction to have. | ||
| Well, in order for it to be good, it must be divorced from everything else that the slave-holding pieces of shit held. | ||
| And I think that that's the piece that... | ||
| The reason that it becomes kind of hypocritical is the refusal to let go of that stuff while pretending to care about this stuff. | ||
| And that's difficult. | ||
| But also, I think that there's an inherent contradiction of him being like, we have to be tolerant of everyone else's religion. | ||
| This is part six of my 30-part series on a mystery religion. | ||
| Exactly! | ||
| It's like, if you believe in religious tolerance to the extent that you do, what is... | ||
| Why are you... | ||
| I don't have any real evidence from anything that I've heard so far that this quote-unquote alleged mystery Babylon religion... | ||
| Is somehow outside of that scope of what should be covered by religious tolerance. | ||
| No, it is 100% that First Amendment. | ||
| Like, oh, everybody can practice any religion they want to. | ||
| All kinds of Christianity. | ||
| Catholic and non. | ||
| You got all of them. | ||
| You can practice it. | ||
| What, are there more? | ||
| Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. | ||
| Get the fuck out of here! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's very strange. | ||
| But I guess if you can interpret any other religion as being a threat to your ability to practice your religion, then the freedom of religion doesn't exist. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So all those high-minded ideals kind of go away if you're able to frame something as being a threat. | ||
| Yeah, no, there's definitely in that little message like 15 different loopholes that you can find where it's like, as long as it's not a threat to our... | ||
| Well, what do you define as a threat to us being, and then is it just via their existence, and then we're all... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It still sounds better than a lot of Tex-Mars stuff. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| So, like, I guess it's damning with faint praise, but, like, it's... | ||
| You did an impression of someone who sounds all right, Bill. | ||
| It's something like it. | ||
| So we come to the end of this. | ||
| I'm more confused than ever about the nature of his plagiarism. | ||
| I don't know what I think anymore. | ||
| I know that I don't know anything about... | ||
| Mystery religion. | ||
| I know that we are way off track from what was, in theory, something about Osiris and the sun and all this, and then we jumped to New World Order, and then we're now on New Age movements and Lord Maitreya. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I don't know what I'm supposed to be learning. | ||
| And I'm supposed to be like, whoa, this guy's reading. | ||
| Which proves that he's not making it up. | ||
| Which makes less sense to me than anything. | ||
| Right, but now that he's given that charade away, or he's lifted that curtain, the next episode, if he's plagiarizing again, that looks really bad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, so I guess we'll have to find out what he does, what his strategy is on episode seven. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I would... | ||
| Okay. | ||
| This is a con. | ||
| This is one of those cons that you would say never, ever works, but works sometimes. | ||
| They're like, I'm lying to you. | ||
| That's why you can trust me, con. | ||
| Where you're like, if you just got the man said he's lying to you, he's going to lie to you again. | ||
| We walk away, you know? | ||
| Yeah, he's been willing on multiple episodes to present this material as his own, and now he's like, ha-ha. | ||
| No, you're just a liar. | ||
| No, you're a liar. | ||
| You lied to me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We're done here. | ||
| Get out of here. | ||
| I'm not done. | ||
| I'm going to see what else. | ||
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Oh, no. | |
| I'm not talking about that. | ||
| I'm talking about being conned. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Unfortunately, his audience probably just thought like, oh, my God, he didn't make it up. | ||
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Wow. | |
| He's even more truth-telling. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So we'll see what happens in installment seven. | ||
| But until then, we have a website. | ||
| Indeed we do. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| We'll be back. | ||
| But until then, I'm Leo. | ||
| I'm Leo. | ||
| I'm DZXClark. | ||
| I am the Mysterious Professor. | ||
| Woo, yeah! | ||
| And now here comes the sex robots. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |
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