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#1022: February 27, 2025

#1022: February 27, 2025—Dan Friesen and Jordan Holmes dissect Alex Jones’ reaction to the Epstein files release, where he falsely claims Attorney General Pam Bondi’s press conference would drop them today (6 p.m.), despite no evidence. Jones pivots to Gene Hackman’s death, peddling baseless suicide theories and 200 "prophetic dreams," while conflating Romanian charges with Sorosian lies. His erratic shifts—from Epstein’s debunked pseudoscience to Dune as a "globalist decoder"—expose a pattern of attention-seeking disinformation, where facts are sacrificed for spectacle. The episode underscores how Jones’ irrelevance fuels his desperate, unfounded claims. [Automatically generated summary]

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alex jones
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dan friesen
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jordan holmes
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calin georgescu
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dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes.
Like to sit around, worship at the Altar of Celine, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are.
unidentified
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
unidentified
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today, buddy?
dan friesen
You go first.
jordan holmes
My bright spot is a new show.
dan friesen
Ooh.
jordan holmes
Maybe it's an old show.
I don't know how it works.
It's called Secret Millionaire.
It's hosted by Peter Sarafinowitz.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
If you remember him.
dan friesen
I do.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
And it's essentially a trader's knockoff.
Almost to the T, to the letter.
Everybody has a box, and then somebody has a box filled with a million dollars in it.
And everybody else has to try and figure out who that guy or person is.
dan friesen
This is kind of deal or no-dealy.
jordan holmes
100%.
Absolutely.
And it is all of the conversations are almost identical to anything you would have at the trader.
Like, oh, is this millionaire-ish behavior?
Like, the whole thing.
dan friesen
But you wouldn't have millionaire-ish behavior.
You aren't a billionaire.
You just have a box that says...
Aha.
jordan holmes
The millionaire has an agenda.
dan friesen
What is his agenda?
jordan holmes
His agenda is some subterfuge-like action that will then give you a leg up.
dan friesen
So it's kind of like the mole.
jordan holmes
It's like the mole.
Yes, absolutely.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
It's terrible.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
But it's great.
I don't know what to tell you.
It's like, I think mainly my problem is I got invested in one of the characters and then they did him dirty.
dan friesen
Oh, no.
jordan holmes
They did him dirty.
dan friesen
Nah, robbed him from the millionaire.
jordan holmes
It was brutal.
It was brutal.
dan friesen
Well, I'm glad you're enjoying it.
I'm not going to check this out because I've got too much on my plate.
jordan holmes
Don't check it out.
dan friesen
Between just like normal life stuff and then the challenge, sure, plus survivor, plus amazing race.
jordan holmes
Crazy.
dan friesen
It's too much things to try and like watch concurrently.
Yeah.
But I'm glad you're enjoying it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
What's your bright spot, buddy?
dan friesen
Liberation Day.
jordan holmes
Liberation Day.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Trump announced Liberation Day.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry, what?
dan friesen
You didn't know that?
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
I think it was about the tariffs that he put on everybody and things are now looking great for the economy.
jordan holmes
All right, fair enough.
dan friesen
But we're liberated.
jordan holmes
Okay.
I like that.
dan friesen
Right.
So I'm reclaiming that.
And I feel so free because we're covering February 27th.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Liberation of the drudgery of day-to-day.
jordan holmes
Love it.
dan friesen
So we're liberated.
jordan holmes
We're skipping ahead.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
We're out of this skippity toilet of a place.
dan friesen
Dude, you don't even know what that means.
jordan holmes
Nope.
I'm trying it out.
I'm trying it out, man.
dan friesen
That was on fleek.
jordan holmes
The worst we can get.
dan friesen
No cap.
I don't know what that means either, but I think.
jordan holmes
Wait, that's a thing?
dan friesen
Yeah, people say that.
I've heard kids say it.
jordan holmes
I have nothing.
dan friesen
I think that this is a great episode.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And I'm very excited about what is coming.
So we'll get down to business on that here in a second.
But first, let's say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, Tim, the ch is just a k sound in Wachumerca, not the one in Brazil, not the usurper in Arkansas.
Thank you so much, you're an hour, Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Goddamn tongue twisters.
Next, happy 40th birthday to my husband and regular listener, James, who also wonders if ChatGPT can contemplate the beauty of a sunset.
Thank you so much, Joanna Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And shout out to Kate and Louie, who got married today recently.
Although the Globeheads have tried to arrest you, at least you're stocked up on iodine.
Thank you so much, Jeranao Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
I got caught up in my head that it might be Louie or Lewis, and that's what made me say today instead of recently.
My brain just...
jordan holmes
Couldn't do it because it's Liberation Day, and Louie was the one who was famously...
Yeah, I got you.
dan friesen
You have perfectly summed it up.
unidentified
Totally.
jordan holmes
Totally understood.
dan friesen
So we have a technical idea in the mix too, Jordan.
So thank you so much to my book club is vetoing nonfiction because reality is too depressing.
Thank you so much, Jerono Technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Four stars.
alex jones
Go home to your mother and tell it you're brilliant.
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
Daddy Sharp.
Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser, little, little kitty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, I have an out-of-context drop from today's show.
jordan holmes
Ooh, I'm excited.
dan friesen
You should be.
jordan holmes
I am.
dan friesen
And you'll be even more excited afterwards.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
Frank Herbert was a genius.
Obviously, super psychic.
dan friesen
Super psychic.
jordan holmes
Super psychic.
Excellent.
dan friesen
Frank Herbert.
jordan holmes
Frank Herbert was a genius.
Obviously, super psychic.
dan friesen
Obviously.
jordan holmes
Obviously, super psychic.
dan friesen
What do you know about the future that you're not telling me because you've read more Herbert than me?
jordan holmes
Well, so once Leto 2 accepts the prophecy, he is, I guess, absorbed by Sandtrout and then slowly transforms into a worm himself.
I'm sorry?
dan friesen
It's not knowing the future if you know more of the plot of the book.
jordan holmes
I'm trying to get to the next part here.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Once Leto 2 becomes the worm, Leto 2 knows all of the future and all of the past simultaneously, thus creating a golden path for all of humanity to walk, regardless of whether or not he knows it, because he can only know the North Star.
Thus, Frank Herbert, obviously, is creating that golden path himself for us to follow long after his death.
Super psychic.
dan friesen
What does that tell us about our future?
jordan holmes
Oh, it's going to be all right.
dan friesen
Great.
So we start today's episode off here with some announcements.
It's very exciting.
This day is a day that will be long remembered as the day the Jedi died.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
No, it's the day that Pam Bondi, Attorney General Pam Bondi, had come out and announced that she was going to release the Epstein files.
jordan holmes
Love it.
alex jones
We're now going into day 38 of the return of President Trump.
And as I've been saying the last few weeks, the reason the Attorney General has not released the first tranche of the Epstein files is because they have to go through and remove all the names of the victims and informants because it will be a disaster if they don't do that and violate a bunch of laws.
And I'm just marveling at how fast the Trump administration has been moving.
And I've not had faith.
As Reagan always said, trust but verify.
Trump keeps doing everything he said he would do and more.
And I wasn't told this by the Justice Department.
I've just followed the case.
I was probably the first person to ever talk about Epstein being a pedo intelligence operative.
And, I mean, at least 16, 17, 18 years ago, I've been talking about it.
So I know the case.
I've forgotten more than most people know about it.
dan friesen
I think that's true, probably.
Alex has forgotten more.
I don't know if all the things that he's forgotten are true.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's forgotten a lot of things, though.
jordan holmes
I have thought a lot of things about it that I have forgotten.
It's not the same as I know things about it.
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's also forgotten that he was not one of the first people to cover this.
jordan holmes
He has very quickly forgotten that somehow.
Yeah.
dan friesen
But there's an interesting thing here where he has, you feel a sense of ownership that he feels over this story.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
And so obviously, if they're going to release this shit, he's pretty excited.
jordan holmes
Am I correct?
Because I think this might be the case.
Am I correct in thinking that some people just kind of said that Alex Jones was the first to talk about the Epstein files?
And then he was like, maybe I was.
And that's how the thing got.
Like, I don't know if he self-generated this, right?
dan friesen
I'm not sure.
I think he might have.
I think this might be a king of pop situation.
jordan holmes
Okay, okay, okay.
dan friesen
I think he might have bestowed this honor upon himself.
And then although the hashtag Alex Jones was right, people just kind of mirror it.
jordan holmes
Just let it go.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Honestly, I don't know enough.
Like, I don't know who said it first.
I wouldn't be too surprised if someone online created a meme of him.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And then he was like, damn it, I guess I did.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
100%.
I could believe that.
dan friesen
That's possible.
Yeah.
So Alex really wants this to happen because, you know, it's going to be good for business.
Totally.
And it better happen today.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
She said probably today.
Well, it better be now.
In fact, I think it will be today because she said, oh, yeah, we're going to do it tomorrow.
She goes, well, we're going to try.
Well, no, no, now there's so much anticipation.
It better be today.
In fact, I believe it will be.
I would imagine there'll be a press conference.
Good chance trouble will be part of it because the takedown of the globalist is the greatest show on earth, and it's how we're destroying them while we bring justice.
And so I would guess probably like six o'clock tonight, you'll have a press conference, bare minimum with the Attorney General.
unidentified
Hmm.
alex jones
They'll make an announcement.
They will release the information to Congress and to the public.
And then what I'll be looking for is him explaining, because I know the case, and there's a lot more that he had with all the hidden camera systems in New York and little St. John's Island, the Caribbean, and out at Zoro Ranch in New Mexico.
And we better hear about all that.
dan friesen
Seems like he has some high hopes.
I would like to call your attention to the way that Alex talks about how God tells him what time things are.
And he predicted when Trump was going to come out.
jordan holmes
To the hour.
dan friesen
Yeah, time zone notwithstanding.
jordan holmes
Let's not worry about time zones.
dan friesen
This press conference happens while Alex is on air.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
So he is off on the time saying it's going to be six tonight.
jordan holmes
Wow, what you going to do?
dan friesen
God gave him the wrong time.
unidentified
It happens.
dan friesen
Yeah, it does.
jordan holmes
God's weird like that.
Right.
He's always looking at his watch going like, oh, I forgot which universe I was dealing with.
I've made a bunch.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Alex is totally right, though.
Like Pam Bondi had gone on Fox the night before and talked about how they're going to release this stuff.
jordan holmes
How are we doing with that?
dan friesen
Well, it hit a fever pitch.
She had to come and do something.
jordan holmes
She had to come and do something.
And what did she do?
dan friesen
Well, we're going to find out.
She had a PR stunt.
So Alex has a guest that he's going to have on the show.
And I thought this was pretty surprising.
alex jones
We have an exclusive coming up in about 56 minutes.
And that is the recently arrested and charged with genocide and thought crime.
It literally says thought crime.
The real president of Romania will be joining us coming up.
jordan holmes
Holy shit, really.
alex jones
Kaleen Georgescu for 30 minutes.
First interview had been released from the gulag.
And we have the charges against him in the form of a press release.
dan friesen
So at this point, Romania had annulled the original election results and set up a new election, which was to take place on May 4th.
In the meantime, Kalen Georgescu had been hit with some indictments and got arrested the day before this episode.
The charges were not thought crimes or genocide, but instead they involved, quote, incitement to actions against the constitutional order and, quote, setting up an organization with fascist, racist, or xenophobic characteristics.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
On the same day that Georgescu was arrested, Romanian police carried out raids on 47 properties that were connected to a guy named Horatio Porta, who's a former French legionnaire who did some mercenary work in the Democratic Republic of Congo.
Potra had been calling for an armed uprising after the first election results were annulled, and the raids of these properties found, quote, guns, grenade launchers, and gold bullion buried beneath floorboards, according to the BBC.
jordan holmes
That sounds fun.
dan friesen
Potra was Georgescu's bodyguard, but it's not clear if Kalin himself had any demonstrated connection to the grenade launchers and stuff.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
So where we are now, the Romanian court seems to have every reason to have thrown out the initial election results.
There were a massive social media ads for Georgescu's candidacy that were paid for but not specified as campaign ads, which violates Romanian election law.
I don't know enough about the charges he's facing that got him arrested to know if this is like an overstep or not.
So I'm going to hold off a little bit on judgment there.
But he is going on Infowars the day after he got arrested.
So I don't think that I'm going to end up in a place where I'm like, this guy's good.
This guy's great.
jordan holmes
When they say the cover-up is worse than the crime, they didn't know that going on InfoWars was available.
That didn't exist back then.
They were like, oh, the cover-up is worse than the crime.
No, no, no, no.
Going on InfoWars the next day, that's more damning than whatever crime you did.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Or just desperate.
jordan holmes
There's definitely desperation there.
dan friesen
There's a chance that it's just like no one else wants to talk to you.
jordan holmes
But you know who's the most desperate?
People who have committed crimes.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So we'll get to that.
That's exciting that he's on.
He's been on before, though.
Like, it's not the first time he's come around.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
But it's still pretty shocking.
Like, given that the Romanian election is still like, you know, the coin is still in the air or whatever.
Him being on Infowars during that time is like, well, that's a relevant fucking guest.
jordan holmes
How do you have a bodyguard that has grenade launchers that you don't know about?
You know?
dan friesen
Well, you know, I don't know.
I think that there's some room for like, I don't want to know.
jordan holmes
Brian, I understand.
dan friesen
Willful ignorance sometimes can come into these things.
jordan holmes
You got to screen your bodyguards.
dan friesen
Well, but if you screen them, you probably want a guy with a grenade launcher.
jordan holmes
See, now he's committed a crime.
dan friesen
You want a grenade launcher guy on your side as opposed to against it.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
That is fair.
dan friesen
So Alex talks a little bit about the UK and their elections.
And I think he's a little dumb.
alex jones
Starmer's openly talking about canceling upcoming elections because he's got like a 15% approval rating.
You ask, well, how did he become the prime minister?
Well, they're not popularly elected.
It's parliament.
jordan holmes
They're unpopular.
alex jones
His party was able to do a bunch of manipulations and change the parliamentary rules where every vote they get is counted five times.
unidentified
Yes, yes, make that a rule.
alex jones
And then, so they're the majority party.
So a tiny group votes for them, less than 20%, but they are the majority.
And they do other alliances with other parties.
It'll give me a headache, but parliaments are a joke.
dan friesen
If you're a person listening to Alex and you hear him explain parliamentary elections like this, you should immediately recognize that he's a complete idiot and just making shit up.
So this party in the UK was able to make all their votes count for five.
jordan holmes
I love that.
I love that.
dan friesen
It's perfect.
jordan holmes
I love it.
dan friesen
So in general elections, the people of the UK vote for their local MPs, and the party that wins the most representation in the House of Commons is able to form a new government.
So for instance, Kier Starmer is part of the Labor Party who won 411 out of 650 seats in the lower house.
He has an approval rating of about 29%, but he's not elected nationally.
So it doesn't track the same way national favorability might in our general elections.
He's an MP for Holborn and St. Pancras, who became prime minister because his party did the best as a whole in the election.
He was not elected as prime minister directly.
If I had to guess what Alex is talking about and making up lies about, it's that Labor only won 33.7% of the vote as it relates to the whole country.
However, because where these votes were, that was good enough to win 63% of the seats in the House of Commons, which is said to be a very unproportional victory.
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
But this does, you know, that does happen sometimes.
And it's not an indication that the Conservatives did better.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
I just, I could not be happier with the brazenness of the idea of these people being like, you know what?
Our votes count five times now.
How about that?
We can use the rules to say whatever we want.
dan friesen
But you know what's crazy about that conception is that Alex thinks that's something that someone might fuck around and do.
jordan holmes
Totally.
Why not?
dan friesen
Maybe Trump will go ahead and give it a shot.
jordan holmes
Maybe give it a shot.
Trump voters now get 10 votes each that they can distribute to however many candidates they want to.
Surprise, it's all going to me.
dan friesen
My votes count for 10 is in play.
jordan holmes
I love it.
I love it.
Like, what do you say to that?
We no longer exist together.
dan friesen
So Alex talks a little bit about Epstein stuff and about how he exanguinated babies.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Vampire stuff.
jordan holmes
Vampire stuff.
dan friesen
That kind of thing.
jordan holmes
Drain the blood.
alex jones
And it's a lot more than just 14, 15-year-old girls.
That's bad enough.
It's weird medical experiments.
I was the first to break that 15 years ago.
Now that's come out.
Oh, he was into cloning.
Oh, he was into repopulating the earth with his race and all this stuff.
They were doing weird cloning stuff.
And Zorro Ranch was a giant medical facility with breeding women.
Peter Nygaard got caught doing it.
jordan holmes
Totes.
alex jones
Having women get pregnant on purpose, have the baby at seven months so they could assanguate them and drain them.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
alex jones
I mean, suck all their juices out.
And they found they claim they were doing human cloning, which they obviously can do, but I don't know if they were doing that there.
What we know is, though, he would be his baby.
And also, other rich men would pay to have a baby with the woman.
And then there's this, and it's in some of the science.
It's a long story, but they believe sucking the juices out of your baby that's got your genetics is way, better than getting somebody else's stem cells or somebody else's baby's stem cells.
And so, yeah, these are vampires that suck the juices out of their children.
dan friesen
It's a long story, though.
Juices.
jordan holmes
Suck the juices out of their children.
dan friesen
Exanguid.
I mean, sanguine's blood.
jordan holmes
Exaguiate.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, so that's fun.
Vampire stuff.
jordan holmes
While we're here, serious question.
All right.
We know there are disreputable scientists.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
We know that at least one disreputable scientist has been caught adjusting the human genome and then having those children be born.
Do you think there's a clone out there?
Do you think there's a secret clone?
Like, maybe one or two.
Do you think there's a secret clone out there among us right now?
dan friesen
I don't know.
I don't know, and I don't know if it matters.
jordan holmes
I don't think it matters.
I think it'd just be interesting if there was a secret clone out there, right?
dan friesen
I think that it's, I know, blue sky, everything's possible.
But I think that my understanding is that it wouldn't be viable.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Like, I think that that's my understanding of where the science is.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Like, a human clone wouldn't.
jordan holmes
What you're saying is you're challenging all disreputable scientists to make a human clone to defeat you.
dan friesen
Let me say this.
It has never been my policy to challenge disreputable scientists.
They're disreputable and they know things about science.
Leaving them alone.
So apparently Peter Nygaard, we're going to go ahead and just make him the same person as Epstein.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So yeah, they are trying to exanguinate babies.
jordan holmes
Get rid of their juices.
dan friesen
Yes.
And Alex talks a little bit more about this sort of scheme.
alex jones
Yeah, these are vampires that suck the juices out of their children.
And they harvest it all.
They harvest the ovaries out of little girls and then have those rendered down and injected into them.
jordan holmes
Rendered down?
Like in a positive way?
alex jones
Because it's got all the eggs and just that super powerful nutrient, obviously.
jordan holmes
Totally.
alex jones
It's growth factor.
And then they would suck the bone marrow out of the babies.
I mean, they suck every drop out.
I'm sorry to be gross here, but that's what happens.
And it's all, he's in prison for that.
But it's like, you got to really dig into the files.
You know, the newspapers don't put that up front.
But he's been on TV before before he got taken down, finally, bragging about it.
He's got all these beautiful women.
They're all black.
Because off to a great start.
Black people, particularly Central Africans, do have the best stem cells.
jordan holmes
There's no doubt.
There it is.
alex jones
That's because there is no recessive genes there.
jordan holmes
What is happening?
alex jones
It's a long story, but he's got all these black women there and he's like, supermodels.
He's like, how much for your baby?
How much for your period blood?
How much for your, I'll pay you for your fetus.
All good questions.
Suck it dry.
And they're just like, ooh, there's video of it.
dan friesen
So on one level, you just heard something deeply racist.
On the other hand, you just got a bachelor's degree in stem cells and ovary-based nutrition science.
jordan holmes
There you go.
dan friesen
This is an old white supremacist trope that black people have no recessive genes, only dominant ones, because that was part of their reinforcement of the one-drop type policies about excluding people from being considered white.
jordan holmes
That makes sense.
dan friesen
This is spiritually where Alex's ideas are coming from here.
Because there's nothing else to back up what he's saying.
Dominant and recessive alleles exist in countless places in the human genome.
One isn't better than the other in terms of like dominant.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, that's not how it works.
dan friesen
It's just an inheritance pattern.
A child gets two copies of alleles from their parents, and these can be dominant or recessive.
In the case of a child who gets a dominant allele, they'll inherit the dominant phenotype of that gene.
In addition, if the other allele is recessive, they'll carry that recessive gene, and it may pass along to the next generation, but it won't be expressed in that generation, in the current generation.
However, if a child gets two copies of a recessive gene, they'll express that recessive gene.
It's that simple.
jordan holmes
If that was a true bit of science, right?
Because this is another thing that you have to consider.
If that was true, it would be everywhere in your science textbooks.
We would be like, in the study of genealogy, we've been gone through the Mendelian thing, and then they'd be like, hey, but also, it turns out in this one specific region, perfect human beings dominant gene thing or whatever.
dan friesen
Only dominant alleles.
jordan holmes
That would be a well-known.
dan friesen
It'd be very strange.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So in reality, what Alex is doing is mixing some of this shit with a little bit of Pizzagate.
And so he gets back into that a little.
alex jones
So you wonder why there's this big hunger for Haitian kids.
And it's in the WikiLeaks.
They're talking about, yeah, bring us the walnuts.
Walnuts is black people's blood.
Oh, I'm digressing.
Sorry.
Everyone is thinking you're going to get something really big here today.
And we already know who was on the flights 30-plus times just to Little St. John's Island, which was where they really did nasty stuff.
I mean, screwing little kids and a lot of other stuff.
They got a vampire temple there, folks.
I mean, these are vampires.
This is where the legends come from.
They don't live forever, but they've got a demonic entity in them that does.
I mean, look, yeah.
I mean, I mean, look, look, go look at the remake of the 90s with Shauna Reeves of Dracula.
And then look at the Dracula in that.
And then look at Nygaard.
Folks, they walk amongst us and they want black people's blood.
dan friesen
So it was not exactly what you were asking, but you did ask if a clone walks among us.
And then Alex says that they walk among us.
jordan holmes
be vampires i think it's i think it's uh probably if if vampires But for sure, clothes.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Also, Minotaurs.
jordan holmes
Yeah, why not?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
All bets are off at that point.
If, if vampires, all bets off.
dan friesen
Kelpies.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Loch and ass monsters.
unidentified
Totally.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex, in that clip, he's like, I know you're all expecting a lot today.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I just couldn't stop thinking, no, I'm not.
jordan holmes
No, nope.
dan friesen
Not expecting much from the Pam Bondi thing, and I'm not expecting much from Alex.
And he surprises me.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
She didn't.
No, he does.
dan friesen
No, she did exactly what I figured she might.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But Alex, I don't know if I can prepare you at all for the direction this takes.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But there's a clue in this next clip.
alex jones
What you're going to have, unless they've exercised it, and I'm going to get upset.
You're going to have Bill and Hillary Clinton.
You're going to have Steve Jobs, widow.
Oh, she loves it.
She owns the Atlantic monthly.
jordan holmes
Oh.
alex jones
And you're going to have a bunch of other Hollywood people and trash.
And then I expect to hear that there's going to be a lot more coming that they're having to process and an update on that.
That's what's logical.
That's the process.
And that's what I expect to see.
But the longer this goes, the more people are going to get upset.
And that's good because it means people are, what, paying attention now.
And that leads me to this that I'll get into more later.
There's more is coming out minute by minute.
Gene Hackman, his wife and his dog, as you know, were found dead overnight.
A well check was done.
They've been dead for a while.
And he was 95.
They were deeply in love.
I know a lot about Gene Hackman just because I've actually liked him and the people that knew him.
So I know a little bit about him.
Very classy guy.
Not into Hollywood, not into the establishment.
And he may have died naturally that she was so sad she committed suicide and then euthanized her dog with her.
Could have been carbon monoxide.
Some appliance malfunctioned.
The police say they don't know so far why they died, but that it's not foul play.
Could have been carbon monoxide.
He could have died, and then she killed herself, or they all could have decided to kill themselves together because people see how horrible the medical system is and you get caught up in it.
A lot of people decide to do it that way.
And I don't judge people that do.
I don't want the government involved in euthanasia because they force it and push it, as you now see proven, as people warned in the Netherlands and England and Canada.
But, you know, people killing themselves when they're, you know, really sick and old and love each other.
That's Romeo and Juliet.
I mean, they probably.
I had to guess.
I think he probably died.
jordan holmes
How you doing, buddy?
But doing all right?
alex jones
I mean, I think that's probably what happened.
He's dead in the bed.
She's probably putting flowers and cards on him.
And then she probably, and they're probably just wanting to give him their privacy.
Or it was carbon monoxide.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Sorry, man.
Get a lot of fantasies here.
This is very strange.
jordan holmes
I feel like somebody's going through a divorce.
It's Romeo and Juliet stuff.
dan friesen
So Alex is a bit of a distasteful piece of shit engaging in gossip-level speculation about Gene Hackman's death.
It should be no surprise to anybody, but all of his guesses were wrong.
It turned out that Hackman's wife passed away from a hantavirus pulmonary syndrome.
She was caring for Hackman who had advanced Alzheimer's, and without her to tend to his needs, he died from a heart condition at some point after she had passed.
It's just a heartbreaking situation.
Like, if you think about the realities of how this unfolded, and there's zero reason for Alex to try to find an angle to play with this.
Also, you might notice that his prediction about the Epstein stuff is pretty thin.
He doesn't sound like the world's foremost Epstein scholar who's covered this story before everyone else.
It sounds like a guy who has almost no interest in details even.
But he's doing something that I think is really smart, and that is like not jumping all the way into the pool.
Sure.
You know?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's not getting an offsides penalty for jumping over the line of scrimmage.
jordan holmes
He's not like, hey, we got to get as many.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I see what you're saying.
dan friesen
And I think there's something respectable about that, even if it is just self-preservation.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, if I'm a cornered animal, which is what I'm assuming he is at this point, I've got my hackles raised going like, I cannot trust these people to release Epstein's files.
I would have to be an idiot.
dan friesen
Yeah, I'm similar to them.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
If I was them, I would not do it.
So, yeah.
dan friesen
I'd make a show out of it.
jordan holmes
Of course.
I got to make money off of it.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So the clue that I was trying to give you is that Hackman, Alex gets lost in thinking about Gene Hackman.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I know that you're thinking like, well, it'll be distasteful and pretty bad, but you even like you have no idea.
jordan holmes
I genuinely don't.
No.
I just, I can't.
dan friesen
No.
I mean, you give me.
No, don't do this.
I hate this game.
jordan holmes
Let's find out.
dan friesen
I was going to see it predict something Alex could do this shitty.
I don't even want to play that game.
That's disrespectful.
jordan holmes
That's a shitty game.
dan friesen
So this is low levels of what Alex is going to engage in.
And it is him wanting Randy Quaid to come on the show to talk about how Hackman was probably murdered.
jordan holmes
Great.
alex jones
And what happens is once the person's no longer useful, but they have this big catalog of residuals and royalties, then you kill the person.
And I've talked to high-level folks, really smart people in Hollywood, who over the years told me that Randy Quaid is right and that indeed they do kill people and they do rip people off.
jordan holmes
Hashtag Randy Quaid.
alex jones
And Gene Hackman has one of the biggest royalty streams in Hollywood.
I suspect murder.
Well, Randy, we love you and we love your brother.
And I would really love to have you on the show.
We've sent you DMs before, but I know what you're talking about in general goes on.
I'd love to have you on the broadcast.
And we love Dennis as well.
I did something really mean to Dennis Quaid once unknowingly.
jordan holmes
What is happening?
alex jones
Later, I found out from his good buddy, Jimmy Vaughn, mutual friends, what a great guy is.
And what an a-hole I was.
It doesn't matter.
It was a protest against the CPS in Austin.
They were taking me innocent people's kids.
We got given information.
They were part of it.
They were at the event.
It wasn't their event.
Quaid was raising money for disadvantaged kids.
I didn't even know it was his event.
Either in the hotel, I'm screaming at him with a protest for an hour.
And I just, he was like later on, Alex Jones, I know who he is.
Why is he doing that to me?
Dennis, I apologize, but that's a side issue.
Hey, you're going to break a few eggs trying to do a good job here, but I always admit when I'm wrong.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, it's big of him to apologize.
And then I'll also beg Randy Quaid to come on the show to say some heinous shit.
jordan holmes
This is.
I would, you know, growing up, the saga of the Quaid brothers did not turn out how I thought it was going to go.
I will say that.
I will give them both that.
It didn't go the direction that I thought either of them was going to take.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's been surprising.
You know, you have like Randy take such a hard turn.
Yeah.
And then you think, like, well, Dennis is just going to go keep going straight.
jordan holmes
Wrong.
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
Way wrong.
Way wrong.
dan friesen
Fun times.
jordan holmes
Wild.
dan friesen
So Alex gets off this subject for a bit and goes back to the matter at hand of the Epstein release.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
And like I said, he's not jumping into the pool.
He wants it both ways.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
They said hundreds of hard drives just at the New York facility.
Whole the description was houses full of hard drives.
Cameras hidden everywhere.
Whole computer camera rooms.
It's not a little black book.
It's not just an Epstein client list, but people keep wanting that.
They're like, okay, here's the flight logs.
Here's the client list.
That's what you're getting today.
And now they're being specific.
Breaking.
Senator Marsha Blackburn says Epstein Fouls dropping today is just phase one.
This is the phase one release in short order.
I will have the hard copy in my hands, and A.G. Bondi will be responsible for the public release.
What did I say right at the start of the show?
Let me know this is just broke.
I said they'll send it over to Congress.
That's how the law works and they'll make it public to the public.
They're going to publish it on probably the DOJ website or they'll probably just publish it on X.
So, and there's such anticipation.
They're just double checking to make sure there's no victims' names on this.
Because, you know, when you speed through something, you'll miss it when you're going through all this stuff.
So this is going to be huge.
And you know the Clintons are on there and you know Bill Gates is on there.
This will be a day long remembered.
And then meanwhile, you've got literally one of the Pedo commanders.
He's totally MI6 Starmer.
His first job was infiltrating Soviet work camps.
dan friesen
Shouldn't you like that?
alex jones
20 years old.
unidentified
Isn't that just going to a work camp?
alex jones
So you just, they're just everywhere.
I mean, there's one of the worst Pedo protectors.
Probably is one.
I don't know that.
But certainly looks like one.
But the point is, makes my skin crawl.
dan friesen
This guy is responsible.
unidentified
This is great.
dan friesen
So, you get the feeling from listening to this show that Alex wants to play the Epstein release story from both angles.
On the one hand, he knows that whatever comes out is not going to satisfy people, so he needs to do some tempering of the expectations.
Like, it's not the whole thing.
Covering it all would be impossible.
That's an airtight way to go with this, except that you can tell that he's not committed to that downplaying.
As he's doing this, he's also saying that it's going to be massive, and he does his little Darth Vader impression.
This is part of Alex's style that I find very shitty, where he tries to hype up a story while keeping this insurance policy in place for when it's ultimately a dud.
Yeah, and I just feel it running through this hard, which is savvy.
jordan holmes
I mean, it is savvy, but if he was being honest with, I mean, if everybody's just being honest, like it should be the like bear trap moment, like the release of those files should also be followed up by all of those people getting what the release of those files should lead to, you know?
So, he should be stoked.
That should be the like, this is it.
dan friesen
But Alex understands how this media ecosystem exists.
So, he knows that this is a dud.
Yeah.
He knows that the part that's downplaying it is the sensible part.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
The play, like, being like, oh, this is going to be huge is that's luring you into you as a consumer into the bear trap.
jordan holmes
Totally.
It should be, but this should be like QAnon should come back and be like, oh, they're going to actually do the stuff, maybe.
You know, it should be that level of we're excited about somebody getting a consequence.
dan friesen
You'd think that if you had any faith in the like the people who were releasing this, you would.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
But Alex is they're the ones you say aren't coming to give there's a minister of retribution and shit.
dan friesen
Not officially.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
He knows that that's all fucking bullshit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, it is.
dan friesen
So Alex, man, wanted him to do that painting show.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I don't think he's going to because he talks about some of his plans in this next clip.
And I think it's very sad.
alex jones
And that's why I can't wait until we get through this deep state attack bankruptcy, which we're winning.
And we're going to crank this sucker up.
We're going to bring in more editors, more researchers, more reporters.
It is my plan with the new owners and their plan.
I'll be the news director.
I'll no longer own InfoWars, which is fine with me.
To go 24 hours a day.
And we're going to retrofit one of the studios with just a wall of televisions with a control panel on X mainly because that's the best feeds.
And we're just going to be going to people's breaking news, covering it, analyzing it in live time, like Mystery Science Theater.
Cameras behind us, cameras in front of us, and you're seeing what we're seeing.
You're seeing stuff as it comes in.
That's my plan.
dan friesen
This is so sad.
Alex's ambition has been reduced to him dreaming of being a 24-hour Twitter response show.
He's hopelessly addicted to social media and the rush of pretending that it means something.
And him articulating his goals like this represents a kind of surrender to that addiction.
The thing that he created in order to fight the one-world government, the new world order beast, has become like in his head, the conception of it is a CNN of unsourced tweets and memes.
It's pathetic.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, he's just, I want to be somebody like the people that I said I hated.
dan friesen
And also, I think that, like, I actually, here's the thing: yeah, if he does this, he will get sued so fucking fast.
Absolutely.
Like, the level of kind of stuff that he'll put up, I think he'll probably get in trouble.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's not possible to do that.
dan friesen
It's not sustainable.
unidentified
No, It's fun.
jordan holmes
Otherwise, someone else would have done it by now.
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I think that that does exist in some places of like, you know, like Twitch and stuff.
There's a lot of React type people.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
That content is popular.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
But I just, no.
jordan holmes
No, not going to happen.
dan friesen
But if Elon Musk were to buy MSNBC, they could just do it there.
alex jones
They could just cover Twitter there.
I've wanted to do this for a decade, but I've just been tied down and hit and, you know, defending the operation.
But we're always innovating, and that's what we want to move to is live coverage of you because we are the media, you are the media, and we want it to be a focus on that.
I mean, if Elon bought something like MSNBC that's worthless other than its infrastructure, but also to hit some of the old folks that don't know what's going on on cable, you could just turn a 24-hour network into live coverage of X.
And you could have the sports channel and the culture channel and the health channel and the news channel and the financial channel.
And then all you're doing is stuff's breaking, cover it, and you have too much news.
But you can do that if you're globalists that want to control the narrative and have everybody say the same thing on every network.
That's why they're always two, three days old news and they're all saying the same thing and nobody wants to watch it because you can tell it's a bunch of BS.
dan friesen
This is what happens when you make that little jump from getting your news from the Drudge Report to just pulling everything from Twitter.
Your brain gets poisoned with the convenience, the speed, and the simplicity of just taking everything in as little bite-sized tweets.
And then they just come and go across your feed.
They pop up with a ton of intensity with words like emergency and then they're gone, replaced by new intense tweets to distract you from the fact that the last one was bullshit.
It's a perfect attention loop.
And Alex knows that there's a huge population that's stuck within it, which makes them great sales targets.
But Alex isn't just the president of Hair Club for Men.
He's also a client.
And he's stuck in that loop himself.
He's coming off like an addict, just begging for another hit when he goes on about how Elon should buy MSNBC so they can just cover tweets.
Like, this is pathetic, man.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
You, you fucking went to Bohemian Grove.
jordan holmes
Come on.
I mean, I don't know.
I don't know.
Do you think the applied psychologists that they have to help fine-tune the algorithms to make people feel worse?
I mean, those are the type of disreputable scientists that might clone somebody.
You know what I'm saying?
dan friesen
Sure, sure.
But I think that they made that bait too good for Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, you know, he's sadly just the perfect fear and bad feeling tornado.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
He's an Elmer Fud that thinks he's a Bugs Bunny.
And it's just not going to happen, bud.
dan friesen
Got his ass.
unidentified
Yeah.
He's an Elmer Fud that thinks he's a Bugs Bunny.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'll take that one.
dan friesen
So Kalen Georgescu shows up.
jordan holmes
How's he doing?
dan friesen
He's good.
Alex introduces him and he coins a new word.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
The rightful president of Romania who had his election victory canceled by the NATO Soros coup, Colleen Georgescu, is joining us exclusively after being arrested two days ago and then charged with a bunch of bizarre Sorosian lies.
dan friesen
Sorosian.
jordan holmes
Sorosian is a good word.
dan friesen
We got it.
So here is one of the good indications that Alex is a lazy liar with no interest in conveying real information to the audience.
Kaylin Georgescu is in no way the rightful president of Romania.
You can make a decent argument that the Romanian courts shouldn't have thrown out the results of the first election, but even if that argument is correct, he didn't win the presidency.
He won the first round of voting, and there was still going to be a runoff.
It's fine to believe that he would have won that runoff, but it never happened.
So by right, he never won the presidency.
Alex doesn't know anything about the stories that he covers.
And even if he did, he doesn't want to complicate things for the audience.
So what he does is just condense everything down into their most simple and sensational form as if they were tweets.
The only language he knows.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Fucking crazy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, so everything turns into the fucking fantasy novel, essentially.
A fantasy novel with a lot of feudal lords.
Very important everywhere around.
dan friesen
Some of them who are pretty cool.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't know if that's how feudal.
Well, up to you.
dan friesen
So Alex reads off some of these charges to Georgescu.
jordan holmes
Thought crime.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Looking like George Soros.
Other things.
dan friesen
Yeah, he reads off some of this.
And if I were Georgescu, I would be like, look at this dipshit.
alex jones
You are going through and you're people exactly what Trump did.
And the same globalists, the same USAID money that was used to attack him and Musk and me and everybody has been used on you.
You are our brother.
Now, I want to, in the time we have, I know you have to go soon, sir, go over the court press release.
These aren't even charges.
They call them charges.
Absolutely insane overhead shot to initiate criminal proceedings against you for committing incitement to actions against constitutional order, an attempt to form and provide a criminal code, communication of false information, so thought crime, as provided false statements, more thought crime, initiating or establishing an organization of fascist, racist, or xenophobic.
No one's even ever said that about you, character, joining or supporting such a group.
And then it gets more insane.
It talks about genocide against humanity.
I looked up your record.
You don't have a criminal record.
You never hurt anybody.
And war crimes, never even been in the military, as well as the act of publicly promoting fascist, legionnaire, racist, xenophobic ideas, concepts, inspiring organizations for any character.
This is all Southern Property Law Center, New World Order, Soros stuff.
It's a Soros judge.
What do you say to these false charges, sir?
calin georgescu
So, dear Alex, please understand me that I'm not allowed to say about these issues.
I leave my lawyers to communicate about these topics.
dan friesen
If you hear this dude, you just have to think that Alex is an idiot.
And you got him.
unidentified
Absolutely.
dan friesen
You know that Alex is desperate to whitewash your record and all that.
But if you hear someone cold reading this shit like this, you know that they didn't even take 10 minutes to familiarize themselves with the basic facts of the case.
You're talking to someone who's so willing to be on your side and uninterested in facts.
I guess lying is just thought crime to Alex, which is insane.
He doesn't actually believe that, but his business model relies on normalizing the act of lying.
So this is the kind of position that he needs to take.
For sensible humans, it's very easy to understand the difference between someone having an inaccurate belief they incorrectly believe to be true and even expressing that inaccurate belief and someone expressing something they know to be false in order to achieve a particular goal.
Those are two different things.
People understand that one of these things involves malice, whereas the other one is more based in ignorance.
From the outside, it's often pretty hard to tell these apart.
And this is a dynamic that always plays to the advantage of the liar.
Society refuses to organize itself in a way that can address the malicious liar because it's all too often plausible that they're not malicious.
They're just ignorant.
That plausible deniability of malice is where Alex's career is rooted.
As for the other crimes that Alex is pretending that Georgescu is accused of, a fair amount of that stuff Alex is reading is about Horatio Potra.
jordan holmes
That makes sense.
dan friesen
Which you can tell because Alex mumbled the word legionnaire accidentally.
Yeah.
When Alex says that Georgescu is accused of war crimes and genocide, that's not true.
It's that he's accused of promoting Potra's paramilitary organization, which is accused of some shady stuff in various African countries.
Alex doesn't know and definitely doesn't want to know any of the context around this because it just complicates the narrative.
So you see him fumble his way through this shit he's reading, and it all sounds like gibberish.
He has to make it sound like the globalists are accusing Georgescu of completely nonsensical things because the alternative is asking him about his association with this dude who runs a paramilitary group that has connections to Russia.
Because Alex doesn't want to address this story like the tip of the spear that he pretends to be, he just creates a fake version of the story to report while he gives Georgescu the softest of softball interviews.
It's crazy.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
And he's not going to be like, hold on, here are the things that are about me.
If he just says, oh, I can't talk about it and winks, it's like, yeah, keep going, bud.
Keep saying more insane shit.
And I won't take any responsibility for it, but if it gets me in extra.
dan friesen
Or Leah, why would you correct Alex on like, well, there's this guy named Horatio.
Right?
jordan holmes
Absolutely not.
No.
Can you believe they're giving me these false charges?
Neither can I, but that's not important to this conversation.
dan friesen
Downright Sorosian.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
Please.
dan friesen
So their interview is not very interesting.
jordan holmes
Judges aren't.
dan friesen
That's what I need to say.
jordan holmes
How many judges aren't Soros judges at this point?
Just give me a list.
I'm sure it's fairly short.
dan friesen
Did they do something that Alex doesn't like?
Because that's the determining factor.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Well, if I have to.
jordan holmes
Is that a four-dimensional question?
Could they do something in the future?
dan friesen
If I have to complain about them, Soros.
jordan holmes
Soros.
dan friesen
Boom, baby.
jordan holmes
He's got a lot of time on his hands, I guess.
unidentified
He does.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Kaylin Georgescu leaves.
I think the fact that this is happening is more relevant than anything that they talk about through the interview.
And now it is time for the Epstein PR stunt to begin.
jordan holmes
Here we go.
dan friesen
So Alex sees this happening.
jordan holmes
Let's do it.
alex jones
Wow, look at that.
They've now released the Epstein files, breaking DC Drano, libs of TikTok, Cernovich, Liz Wheeler seen holding phase one at the White House.
Okay, well, let's start watching their ex-accounts, and we'll start covering that as it unfolds.
There's a good chance those are disc in there, so there's going to be a lot.
So I love how the corporate media, which has almost no viewers and is just a CIA operation, is just being ignored.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
And Trump's like, nope, we're going to kick AP out of here.
That's not censoring AP.
It's like, no, you're not real media.
You go out there in the yard and watch what we're doing.
dan friesen
So in case anyone missed this story, Trump's Attorney General Pam Bondi put together a PR stunt where she invited a ton of right-wing social media dipshits to the White House and gave them binders that they were pretending were full of new dirt about Epstein.
As the day went on, it became clear that the binders were basically just full of already public information.
There was no client list or any of the stuff that everyone was sure Trump was about to release.
It was all a huge dud.
And Alex has an interesting take here about why it's just folks like Mike Cernovich and the Libs of TikTok lady who got invitations to this PR stunt and not people who are professional journalists.
Alex seems to think that it's because the Trump administration knows who the real media is and they've sidelined the legacy folks in favor of the new kids.
In reality, what's going on here is that the people like Cernovich and Libs of TikTok are gullible and desperate for attention, so they'll show up to this and they're not going to ask too many questions.
Generally, journalists covering a story don't want to be part of the story they're covering, so they do what they can to avoid that kind of dynamic.
In a case like this, it's obvious that the story that's supposed to be pushed here is that Pam Bondi gave these people binders, not what's inside them.
None of the people there, the supposed anointed media, none of them know what's in these binders.
They can't be reporting on the contents.
They're just there to get attention focused on the act of Bondi giving them the binders.
Most professional journalists would be able to look at that situation, realize that their participation in this PR stunt is Bondi trying to use them, and they wouldn't go.
Folks like Cernovich and the Libs of TikTok lady aren't serious people, so they don't care about this kind of dynamic.
They just want attention too.
So they don't particularly care about what's inside the binders.
The fact that they were asked to be there is an indication that they're on the elite tier of people that this administration is willing to share attention with, and that's what this is all about.
In that sense, Alex legitimately has to feel pissed off that he wasn't invited.
You can tell that he didn't even know this PR stunt was set to happen, and he sounds genuinely surprised.
So that should tell him exactly where he stands with all this shit.
Folks like Cernovich and the Libs of TikTok lady are desperate attention ghouls, but they also know how to play their role.
For example, if they're invited to the White House for this PR stunt, you could be pretty confident that they're going to do what's expected of them, and they're not going to make a scene.
With Alex, if you invite him, it's going to be all about Alex.
He's going to insist on giving a speech.
He's going to shout his catchphrases, yell infowars.com, pretend he was the first person to cover this, and you don't want that around most of the time.
jordan holmes
The first thing he does when he opens the binder is not, what's in this binder?
dan friesen
He's going to be like, I knew all this.
jordan holmes
I saw this guy.
It's this guy, Clinton, this motherfucker.
You're like, no, you're not supposed to lie yet.
dan friesen
And he's going to make it more about himself.
It's just, it doesn't work for your purposes.
jordan holmes
Nah, he's a gremlin you can't have in the machine.
dan friesen
He's got to be furious.
He's supposed to be the guy who first broke this story, and he doesn't even get a phone call.
At the end of the day, with how this all ended up backfiring, I imagine Alex was sort of relieved that he wasn't there.
But in that moment, it's got to piss you off.
Like, it's so obvious that you're not in the loop, man.
jordan holmes
You should.
You're irrelevant.
That is the, and then to be on the other side of it, that is the moment that should force you to realize why you are so easily tricked in the first place is because you were willing to give everything for that moment, and then it turns out to be bullshit.
Only in this case, you didn't get caught.
Learn.
That's not going to happen.
dan friesen
No, go back and listen to some of your interviews with Steve Pieczenik and cry.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
So there's some disinformation that the media is putting out in order to distract from the Epstein revelations.
alex jones
But then the corporate media is running this disinfo, and then the fake right-wingers, who we know are on their payroll, we know the names, are running with the fact that Epstein's mansion in Palm Beach was bulldozed today.
It was bulldozed two years ago.
But they're running that headline that Trump's having his house bulldozed.
What the hell does that mean?
No, people didn't want it anymore when they bought it a few years ago because it's embarrassing, so they bulldoze it and build a new one.
Epstein's secret erases creepy Palm Beach pedophile air is quietly bulldozed before bombshell client list revelations.
The Daily Mail is MI6, folks.
It's well known.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry?
alex jones
Look at that.
And you read that, and you have to read most of the article to find out that they destroyed it years ago.
dan friesen
If the Daily Mail is MI6, then Alex reports shit from MI6 all the time.
He loves the Daily Mail because they have sensational ass headlines and loose editorial standards.
They're probably one of his biggest single sources outside of the usual suspects like Zero Edge and Gateway Pundit and, of course, Twitter.
But I guess they're MI6 now.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
They're a fucking loser.
unidentified
Fine.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
GCHQ, put it all in there.
The five eyes are in there with Daily Mail.
Let's go.
dan friesen
On a very technical level, that headline is not incorrect.
And that is that the mansion was destroyed before a client list was released.
jordan holmes
That is true.
dan friesen
The article itself is not about the mansion being destroyed.
It is about the replacement mansion that the people built being finished.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So it is misleading based on the headline and the subject of the actual story.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So Alex has a point there.
jordan holmes
Multiple years ago, Trump's house was demolished.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Not Trump's.
jordan holmes
Or whatever.
Epstein's.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex, not salty that he's not there with the White House.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Not at all.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
Why would you be?
dan friesen
So he reads some tweets.
Like, you heard him say, like, uh-oh, they got the information.
Let's start watching their Twitters so we can report on what they're tweeting.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
What's the point?
Everyone else can just go watch their Twitter.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Who cares?
jordan holmes
You can't.
dan friesen
You don't have anything to add.
jordan holmes
No, we're watching the people watching things, and that makes us the watchers of the watchers.
Right.
dan friesen
So he reports on a tweet.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
So D.C. Drano met with the Attorney General today and met with President Trump, BP Vance Pam Bondi, and the HPI director Kash Patel in the Oval Office.
They handed me a binder to copy of Epstein files.
This is the most transparent administration in American history.
Best part, this is just the start.
A.G. Bonnie confirmed there are thousands more Epstein file documents being secretly held in the Southern District of New York, and they will be delivered to the DOJ in D.C. by February 28th.
That's tomorrow.
dan friesen
So Alex is just reading this guy's tweet, and it's actually an interesting wrinkle in the story.
Right around the same time, two people who were involved with this PR stunt posted identical tweets about how they met with the administration, and this is the most transparent administration ever.
unidentified
Love it.
dan friesen
DC Drano is one of these accounts, and the other was a guy named Chad Prather.
Chad claimed that he had just copy and pasted DC Drano's tweet, but Twitter community notes show that Chad post made his post 13 minutes before DC Drano.
jordan holmes
That's tough.
dan friesen
Which calls into question how complicit these people were in this very clear staged PR scene.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it seems like they probably had marching orders.
alex jones
Maybe.
I don't know.
dan friesen
It looks weird.
Anyway, Alex wasn't invited.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
So some time goes by.
He's sort of kicking the can down the road to sort of.
jordan holmes
I mean, the moment the binders were handed over, you would assume that the information would start flying out because it's so explosive if it is what it is.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And there should be almost no delay.
dan friesen
Well, yeah.
And that's kind of why Alex is kind of a little bit in a weird place.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
What do you do?
dan friesen
He kills some time.
And then this is where I think that Alex's real brilliance comes in.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
This next clip, I think, is illustrative of why he still has it sometimes.
Okay.
alex jones
All right.
It is just wild what's going on.
Things are breaking so fast here.
And the Epstein files are now out.
They're going to start matriculating onto the internet, onto the journalists that were given the files here in the next few minutes.
We'll be going over those.
But there's the bigger revelation that Pam Bondi just revealed to the press.
They caught, thanks to the FBI whistleblowers, high-level Democrat feds trying to destroy evidence in the Southern District of New York.
And they've reportedly gone in and gotten the files being delivered right now to D.C.
And they're going to put those out.
Thousands of Epstein files still withheld by Southern District of New York.
Except for DOJ, delivery tomorrow after select conservative granted early access to Epstein files phase one.
I guess the Gateway pundits upset they weren't there for that.
I don't care.
I just want to get it out.
Now, but little competitions always help.
That's fine.
dan friesen
So, look, I'm a big enough person to admit when I'm wrong.
Clearly, Alex isn't mad that he wasn't invited.
He doesn't care.
Doesn't care.
He can even see that the Gateway pundits, they're a little bit mad.
jordan holmes
Hey, a little bit.
Little competition is fine, but I'm not mad.
dan friesen
So, as it becomes clear to anyone looking at this situation that it's PR stunt, Alex and the Gateway Pundit make a very keen move, which is to refocus things on the stuff that it's not in the binder.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So, whatever is in there isn't what we're talking about to begin with.
jordan holmes
Not important.
dan friesen
I wasn't given a binder, so the story is actually something else.
It's the stuff that's going to be released tomorrow.
So, when you're disappointed by this, aha, I got you.
jordan holmes
Yep.
We're all there.
dan friesen
It's a little too transparent that this is Alex trying to brace for that disappointment, but it's a good call on his part compared to the other option of just buying in a whole hog.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, you know, there's still, like, he sucks and he's an idiot, but there are still some instincts that you can see every now and again.
jordan holmes
I don't like that they're not more angry about this.
dan friesen
Oh, they were.
jordan holmes
No, I know, but that's not enough.
dan friesen
Yep, I agree.
jordan holmes
That's not enough.
dan friesen
I agree.
There was some backlash that I thought was going to get a little bit more out of hand than it did.
jordan holmes
Not enough.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
No.
I would be very ashamed of myself.
dan friesen
But here's why.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think it's because they've curated a sort of information and reality space that operates like what Alex did in that last clip.
Yeah.
There is the anger that you would have at being duped by this PR stunt is redirected to like those boxes at the Southern District.
That's really what we're talking about.
jordan holmes
That's who I should be mad at.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's the redirection of that that stops the initial outrage from probably reaching the point that it should.
jordan holmes
No, I mean, I think we should all actually be seriously outraged at this.
dan friesen
I'm not thrilled.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I like they should be really.
There's only two people involved in this story, right?
The people who want to protect the people who were clearly involved with Epstein's bullshit, and then the rest of us.
There is no ideological divide here.
If you fucked a kid on an island, fuck you.
Right.
That goes across all political parties.
dan friesen
That transcends left-right paradigm.
jordan holmes
Nothing.
So that means that this is not about left or right.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
So this episode is Kalen Jorgescu interview.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Epstein files being released.
jordan holmes
Huge.
dan friesen
And also Gene Hackman died.
alex jones
Yeah.
unidentified
That's right.
alex jones
I noticed this morning when it was announced, it was like four in the morning when I got up, it just broken, that Gene Hackman.
I noticed this morning when I just got up that Gene Hackman had been found dead with his wife and dog at their home in Santa Fe, New Mexico, that people were actually saying it's because of the Epstein files being released.
He must be involved.
That's moronic dot connecting dots that don't exist.
I said it was a well check.
They were very reclusive.
They were probably dead a long time.
This sad news breaking.
dan friesen
So I think it's nice that Alex thinks it's wrong for people to engage in random dot connecting about Gene Hackman's death, but he can fuck right off with that high horse stuff.
alex jones
Wow.
dan friesen
Random dot connecting is the only reason anyone knows Alex's name.
Now, this I can't stress how unready I was for the direction that this takes.
I thought, well, he's scolding people for connecting dots.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Obviously, he's going to proceed to connect some dots.
jordan holmes
You would have to.
dan friesen
It goes much further than that.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
dan friesen
To a level that I think should get Alex 5150.
jordan holmes
Hackman is Epstein.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
No, not that bad.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
alex jones
Pills found scattered in the bathroom.
Being reported that authorities were unable to immediately identify the bodies because they were so poorly decomposed.
Oh, so sad.
Groundkeepers said they hadn't seen the couple for two weeks.
Very, very sad.
And probably suicide.
They loved each other a lot and just didn't want to go die in a hospital, I guess.
He was probably terminal.
We don't know, but it's really a Romeo and Juliet story.
He may have died naturally and then she decided to take her life and the dogs.
Mommy death, horror, Gene Hackman, wife, dog found in home, scattered pills, investigation launched, suspicious, history grows.
And he was, I know, people that knew him.
I did the Keanu Reeves have been in a movie with him.
dan friesen
Cool.
So I thought that that was where we were going to be because, you know, he's scolding people about the idea of connecting his death to the Epstein files and how that's disrespectful and stuff.
And then he immediately proceeds to connect dots himself with they found some pills, must be suicide.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
You know, he's doing his own game that he thinks isn't distasteful.
jordan holmes
No, these very few details he is then cobbled together into a narrative that allows him to tell a story about how, one, Gene Heckman was great in Hoosiers.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Two, he knows people who know Gene Hackman, which makes him great.
dan friesen
This is the second time he's brought up that he knows Keanu Reese.
jordan holmes
One says 100%.
dan friesen
Gene Heckman is great.
jordan holmes
And then the three, I'm going to assume enemy of the state is going to come up sooner or later.
alex jones
Nope.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
Nope.
But I thought, like, this is the great Alex hypocritical kind of territory.
Sure, sure, sure.
I'm fine with that.
jordan holmes
It is what it is.
dan friesen
I was knocked off my feet when he continued talking.
alex jones
This Gene Hackman thing really freaks me out because I've talked a lot on air over the years about how I have a lot of dreams and they always, you know, really mean something important, especially certain types of dreams.
dan friesen
Oh, no.
alex jones
And about it, it comes true.
I would tell people about it and it comes true.
I had dreams about 9-11 happening.
And then, of course, it happened.
I started having those dreams in like June of 2021, went public in July.
And throughout my life, I've had a lot of dreams that are.
I would have a recurring dream when I was 90 years old for a couple of years about them moving the golf course hole that was in front of our house in Dallas, the ninth hole, and then building a house on it.
And then me looking off the third story balcony of my parents' house and a cat sitting up in the top of the house looking out a window at me in an unfinished house.
I just kept having the dream, having the dream, having the dream.
And then a couple years later, they announced they're going to move and change the golf course.
And they tore down that hole and then right by where it was, built the same house.
And then I remember seeing, and then one night, I'm looking out the balcony, and I open up the sliding glass door, and there's a cat looking at me.
You know, some of it just like, well, what?
What is this?
dan friesen
Yes, what is this?
What is this?
jordan holmes
What is this?
dan friesen
So we know that Gene Heckman's death freaks Alex out because he has prophetic dreams.
Yes.
Did Gene Heckman do 9-11?
jordan holmes
These are the questions.
dan friesen
What is going on?
jordan holmes
What is happening?
dan friesen
Right.
I felt like this is trouble.
jordan holmes
We're getting an establishing shot of Alex being actually psychic via this story of his dreams coming true through the house, the cat, and the golf course.
dan friesen
Yeah, and we've heard that story about the cat and all that before.
This is not a new story, which is why I'm just walking right past it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, no, no, no.
But the point about this story is that it establishes I do see the future through my dreams somehow.
And that means that the next following section of words has to be, I had a dream about Gene Hackman dying.
dan friesen
Well, sure, it has to connect somehow to the setup, which is Gene Heckman's death freaks me out because I saw it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I saw it coming in my dreams.
dan friesen
Okay, so let's just peel off the band.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
And then I'll get these feelings.
It's always about clocks and time.
I'll be asleep.
Someone says, get up, go look at the clock, digital clock, it's always right down to the second.
What is never wrong?
On election night, I had the feeling that Trump's going to announce he's the winner at 127.
He'll walk out on the stage and say he's the winner.
This is hours and hours before they were even saying he was going to win.
I went ahead and just said, hey, Owen, I was thinking, how do I say this?
I don't want to sound crazy.
Owen, what's your prediction for when he'll announce?
He goes, I think he'll announce an hour and said the time.
I said, no, it'll be 127.
And I didn't go deeper and say central.
But to the second.
So it's, you know, they say, you look at the quantum mechanics, there's really no time.
unidentified
Hold on.
alex jones
There's just one moment.
So the past, the present, the future are all connected.
There's like a, it's not like it.
It's like an energetic sonar.
Things are bouncing off of each other.
There's possible futures.
The only thing different about what you call the future is that it can be changed by action now.
But there is that Zen moment that is eternal.
That is eternity is one moment, one experience, one continuum.
And that's what I get from it.
And a lot of it's precise, political, you name it.
But I'll just say this because I almost talked about it a month ago.
jordan holmes
Almost.
alex jones
I was sitting here one day and I just said, no, it's just too weird.
And I said, I said, I don't want to do it.
And I've just got to do it every time now.
And I've prayed about it and I said I would and I just didn't do it.
But I probably had 200 dreams about Gene Hackman the last year.
And I never have dreams about, I mean, I don't even really have dreams about Trump.
I have a few about Musk.
dan friesen
Yeah, unsurprising that you have dreams about Musk, but 200 dreams about Gene Hackman.
jordan holmes
I don't even know.
unidentified
You know?
jordan holmes
You know, I was trying to tell you not too long ago about how Freud and like the French Jacques guy who loved Freud and like, you know, and all of these people.
Fiction writing quacks, right?
But after hearing that, Lord knows.
Lord knows.
dan friesen
I told you at the beginning of this episode that I had no concerns about you sort of figuring out where things land.
And it's because it lands here.
jordan holmes
How could I not?
dan friesen
Alex had 200 dreams.
jordan holmes
What were the dreams?
What does that mean?
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
What does it mean that you want to tell me this now?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
What does it mean that you didn't tell me this before?
dan friesen
And that God was telling you something.
jordan holmes
Why are you praying about?
This raises too many questions.
dan friesen
Way too many.
jordan holmes
Too many questions.
dan friesen
What were these dreams?
jordan holmes
I want to know the answers to all of these questions.
And at the same time, I don't want to know the answers to.
I don't even want to know these questions should exist.
unidentified
Nope.
alex jones
No.
dan friesen
It opens up like a box you don't want to open.
jordan holmes
I don't want this box open.
dan friesen
No, Alex, you dreamed about Gene Hackman a bunch.
jordan holmes
I don't give a shit.
I had at least 200 dreams about Gene Hackman in the last year.
dan friesen
So many dreams.
jordan holmes
That's so many.
That's at least, that's almost half a year.
It's more than half a year of dreams.
dan friesen
You'd think if you'd had almost nightly dreams about Gene Hackman, you would know that his name's not Gene Hackman.
jordan holmes
Unless he was having dreams about Gene Hackman being a witch.
dan friesen
That could be.
jordan holmes
All right.
So, God, he almost.
And did he tell anybody?
How do you think?
dan friesen
This is the first we're hearing.
jordan holmes
No, this is not possible.
It is not possible to have multiple hundreds of dreams about somebody and to have told no one about it.
You told your wife.
You told your kids.
Somebody can corroborate that you have had a dream about Gene Hackman.
dan friesen
Maybe.
I don't know, but maybe that'll come eventually.
But at this point, we just have his word to go on.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And the fact that he almost took action on the dream.
alex jones
I got hundreds about Gene Hackman.
I'm not really into Gene Hackman.
I like his movies.
I grew up liking him.
But so I caught, you know, I would go online and read about him.
And, you know, when was the last sighting?
And I just felt like I needed to go to.
unidentified
When was the last sighting?
alex jones
Santa Fe.
I almost told my wife she's got friends in Santa Fe.
Fears God was busy.
I didn't go, but her and my parents and my daughter went.
And I almost was like, oh, let's go to Santa Fe.
Go to the art places and the rock shops.
And I was going to go to, and I'm like, no, I'm not going to stop Gene Hackman.
Hackman.
All my children, this happened.
And so now he's found dead mummified.
I mean, they could have been dead months.
We're all interconnected.
jordan holmes
Did you kill Gene Hackman?
alex jones
I think it's going to come out because this started, Gene Hackman stuff started in the last month and a half, maybe two months.
jordan holmes
Wait, what?
unidentified
Wow.
alex jones
Wow.
Whoa.
So I'm having trouble even doing the show right now.
dan friesen
Yeah, I can understand that.
This is insane.
He almost went to Santa Fe.
He almost manipulated his family into going to Santa Fe in order for him to go to Gene Hackman.
I mean, because God told him to or something?
jordan holmes
I mean, here's.
You know what?
Here's the problem.
This is a problem with.
And partially it's the problem with the universe, I guess, and this show in specific.
I would rather live in the world where he went to see Gene Hackman.
Yes.
If he's even halfway right about there being a choice in this universe and multiple universes existing, then there is one where he went and saved Gene Hackman's life.
dan friesen
I believe that if Alex is at all the person he pretends to be, where he thinks he has prophetic dreams, if he dreamed about Gene Hackman 200 times, he would have gone.
jordan holmes
That's too many times.
dan friesen
I don't believe he would be sitting here on air talking about how, oh, I had all these dreams.
I should have gone.
I almost manipulated my family into going to Santa Fe.
For what?
What goal?
Also.
jordan holmes
Too many dreams.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Here's a question that I have for you.
jordan holmes
What's that?
dan friesen
When Alex says mummy.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
What do you think he's thinking?
Because I think he thinks mummy.
jordan holmes
I agree.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think he thinks like Booberry or whatever.
jordan holmes
My first thought was Brendan Fraser's the mummy.
Yeah.
So I assume that's what he was thinking.
dan friesen
He thinks full-on rap.
jordan holmes
100%.
Yeah, absolutely.
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Outstretched hands.
jordan holmes
Definitely nothing to do with evaporation or anything like that.
unidentified
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
Nope.
Nope.
dan friesen
So God maybe wanted him to go.
jordan holmes
So did he.
So then he killed Gene Hackman by his negligence.
God.
dan friesen
Yeah.
By his negligence in theory.
Unless he was supposed to go.
See, this is when he started talking.
I had all kinds of fucked up thoughts.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because I was like, well, did God want him to put Gene Hackman out of his misery?
He was 95.
jordan holmes
That's a good question.
dan friesen
Or did God want Alex to be found at the scene and then have his whole life kind of thrown into turmoil because he's associated with the finding of the body.
jordan holmes
Okay, so let's have this.
Let's have this conversation.
dan friesen
What was God's goal?
jordan holmes
In the context of Jonah and the whale.
All right.
So Jonah's getting these dreams from God.
Clearly, he's got a job to do.
Doesn't do it.
God's like, fuck you.
Into the whale.
Yeah.
Right?
That makes perfect sense.
dan friesen
Sure.
Holy shit.
jordan holmes
What whale is happening?
dan friesen
Alex is a boring piece of shit who can't stop talking about Elon Musk.
jordan holmes
Are we the whale?
We're the whale.
We're the whale.
dan friesen
Because Alex didn't go to the bottom.
jordan holmes
This entire world is the whale because Alex killed Gene Hackman.
dan friesen
Because Alex didn't answer the call.
jordan holmes
Oh my God.
dan friesen
What a dick.
jordan holmes
Let this be a lesson to all of us.
If you ever have a dream 200 times, that's God and he's going to put you in a whale.
dan friesen
I'd like to amend that slightly.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
If you have a dream 200 times, it is either that or you should maybe talk to somebody.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
Or just work on whatever it is.
Maybe you've seen heartbreakers too many times.
jordan holmes
Can happen.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
We've all been there.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex, I think that he thinks he's saying, here's the, here's the, this is what we get back to all too often.
Too often.
jordan holmes
All too often.
It does not matter whether or not he believes any of this.
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
To believe it is insane.
To say it without believing it is equally insane.
We have reached beyond any mattering of intent or existence whatsoever.
This is crazy.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And that's why I'm saying like he should probably, someone should probably get to know you.
jordan holmes
This needs to be ended.
Whatever is happening here, I am sick of being the whale.
dan friesen
It's pretty funny, though.
jordan holmes
It's very funny.
alex jones
It's more when I saw it.
I went, I haven't got dreams about him.
And I was also doing other things.
No.
Drink coffee.
jordan holmes
No.
alex jones
My daughter made her breakfast.
My wife's out of town visiting her mother and got her off to school.
Then Annie came over.
Came in to work out and get back to work.
Because I get ready for the show really early.
Then I work out.
Then I get ready some more and then I do the show.
jordan holmes
How is this story still going?
alex jones
And I was about to tell the guy I was working out with about it, but I just kind of didn't do it.
The next time this stuff happens, I'm talking about it.
Can you imagine?
You're about to go on.
That's like, everybody knows about this stuff.
It happens to a lot of people.
That's why The Shining is a fictional thing about that, about the psychic black man knows that something's about to happen at the Overlook Hotel for months, keeps having the dream with family getting murdered.
He's got to go there.
And he goes and gets on the airplane and does it.
And I should have got on the airplane.
Why did God want me to go to Gene Hackman's house?
I know the meal tackman.
jordan holmes
I think the answer is obvious in retrospect.
alex jones
Fast enough already.
But for every time I've shown you this stuff, it happens 50 other times.
jordan holmes
Then you hate God?
alex jones
We're living in the twilight, so man.
dan friesen
Yeah, if it's happening all the time, he is refusing a lot of missions.
jordan holmes
He's the devil.
You can't tell me that you are like a super Christian guy who searches after God, who is in connection with God, who is constantly talking to God and who has been given messages to God.
And then also in this context, suddenly say, this happens to me all the time.
And I don't do any of that shit.
dan friesen
Right.
And like, I understand if you have one dream about Gene Hackman and maybe you don't go to his house.
jordan holmes
I mean, that's crazy.
dan friesen
If you have 200 and you're someone who believes that God speaks to you through dreams.
jordan holmes
You have to go.
dan friesen
You have to think it means something.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
It's like God going like, you have to think that.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
I don't have to think that.
I don't believe any of that shit.
I could believe that my brain was acting weird.
But he has to think that.
dan friesen
Yep.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So one of the advantages of him having this weird freak out about Gene Hackman is that we get to learn a little bit about the mechanics of some of the visions that he's had in his life.
God.
So he talks about that a little bit.
And I just put this note.
Seems insane.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Here.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
alex jones
I've told this story probably 800 to 1,000 times.
jordan holmes
Tell it again.
alex jones
And the first part of the energy was what I'd done in the past, a review of what I'd done, the times I made the right decisions, the first time I began to take the commission at three years old.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
alex jones
When I was shown all this evil and this pain in the world.
God's pain for the children.
And that did I want to help the children?
And just like, just yes.
And then all of a sudden, all this horrible starvation, death, children betrayed, dying, war, just.
unidentified
And then Gene Hackman.
alex jones
Other times.
And then falling to evil, not conscious of it when I was about 13 until I was about 16, getting out of it.
And then repenting when I was 18.
And then God saying, okay, your mission is to go fight the globalists, you know, do all this.
And then I was so focused on it that for years, I was celibate.
I was not doing what I did before.
I was not arrogant and prideful.
And then God was like, all right, now are you ready?
Let's review what you've done.
And we're talking in seconds.
And then now do you understand?
I'm going to show you different possibilities depending on what people do in the futures, what you're going to go through.
And some of it was getting killed, tortured, family killed, all this.
But God was like, that's impossible futures.
It's going to depend on what we can do to organize people.
And God already knows the outcome, but we're still given the free will.
And what?
That's why for me, like to go watch the latest Dune is actually very upsetting.
So I'm not saying I'm Paul Atreides.
Everybody has this power.
You just don't unlock or aren't aware of it.
Okay.
All right.
All right.
Jordan has his hand over his face.
jordan holmes
All right.
It makes me very uncomfortable to watch Dune because I see the future.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Because that's just me.
jordan holmes
There you go.
dan friesen
I oof.
We all kind of knew this day would come.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I think it's time.
You know, I think this happens to a lot of middle-aged men getting divorced.
dan friesen
So there's a moment in that clip that I thought was really funny.
And it's the moment where he's like, you know, and then I was celibate for a number of years.
And then God said, and I was hoping he would say, God said, like, time to fuck.
jordan holmes
Let's go.
Woo!
dan friesen
God said, you don't have to do that anymore.
jordan holmes
God said, ah, you nailed it, buddy.
Let's go.
dan friesen
So this guy's nuts.
jordan holmes
This is crazy.
That's legitimately crazy.
dan friesen
It's upsetting.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, but at least he's getting the help he needs.
Is he?
Oh, I don't think so.
I don't think he's getting the help he needs.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
So at three, he had a vision of horrors and all the evil in the world.
And he agreed as a three-year-old to stop that stuff.
And then he became a teenager and he went evil for a little bit.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And then he repented at 18.
jordan holmes
Right.
unidentified
And he didn't fuck for 22, 23.
dan friesen
I guess.
jordan holmes
Let's call it 19.
dan friesen
God said, we're good.
jordan holmes
Let's go fuck again.
dan friesen
And then also, you're going to destroy the globalists.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
And then the chicken-fried steak happened?
dan friesen
At some point along the line.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
A little bit.
That was, I mean, that's in his career.
So that was after the 18.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So there's at least three distinct points at which God has intervened on his life.
At three, at 18, and then chicken-fried steak.
jordan holmes
Yep.
And then now Still, Hackman died.
dan friesen
Your God is weak T. All of this was to save Hackman.
jordan holmes
Weak T. Jesus can come back from the dead, but Hackman's gotta go.
Bullshit.
I don't like it.
dan friesen
So, a lot of times you'll hear somebody say that they're psychic, and you'll question it.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
Oh, boy, howdy.
dan friesen
I think that Alex has a good rebuttal here explaining why he's psychic.
alex jones
Frank Herbert was a genius, obviously super psychic.
jordan holmes
Super psychic.
alex jones
I mean, he wrote about psychic cults and mushroom cults.
And I read all his books.
Oh, my God.
I mean, some of the last dune ones, he was mailing it in, but this guy was a genius.
And but I read every Frank Herbert book.
People ask how I know all this stuff.
When I read those books, I just was reading what I already knew.
And then I already knew so much history.
I was reading it, like, well, he's talking about this.
He's talking about that.
He's talking about, you know, it's a fiction template code key decoder to what's actually going on.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
So, yeah, Frank Herbert's writings are a decoder key of the psychicness that Alex already had.
jordan holmes
Yep.
alex jones
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
You know, I mean, it's hard.
It's hard not to look back at that 1940s and 50s era of sci-fi and not think if there was like an inertia hit right there that just went the other direction, maybe we wouldn't be where we are right now.
dan friesen
Maybe, maybe not.
But I think, you know, leaving aside trying to fundamentally change the path of art.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
dan friesen
I think that Alex is such a specific and interesting person who is unable and unwilling to recognize the difference between fiction and reality.
And he sees stuff in books and he relates to them in a way that he now thinks that's real.
So when he was reading Dune, he related to something in there and he saw like historical analogs between the houses of various houses and somebody in history, right?
And he thinks that like, oh, this is unlocking the secret of the universe.
And it makes me very sad.
If he just had a little bit better reading comprehension skills, maybe this path doesn't happen for him.
jordan holmes
I think you've hit on a very specific thing to Alex.
I think in general, when we experience somebody engaging like this, they are either unable or unwilling.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
In this case, it seems that he is both unable and unwilling.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's well, maybe he's an either.
Maybe he's just been able to live without.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
You know, it's sort of Peter Pan-ish in a way.
jordan holmes
But bad.
Right.
dan friesen
Well, Peter Pan would have been bad too.
You know what I mean?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
I mean, you know, there's, you know, that day whenever that one kid got to be Batman, the Make-A-Wish kid?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like, I imagine that if you have a dedicated group of people around you who just, by the vagaries of how culture and society and work and everything intersect, create an alternate fiction that you then finance, and then they themselves become financially reliant upon.
I guess you could do this.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And if you exist in a place where you are super useful to right-wing cultural interests to the point where even if they don't fund you, they'll make sure you stick around.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
Yeah, you never have to grow up.
You can be Peter Pan.
jordan holmes
It is like, I think that's so much more a better delineation between the type of politics that people want to argue about.
There is the politics of, I am willing to use this person regardless.
And then the politics of like, no, this guy needs some help.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, like, that's, it's more that than anything you believe about taxes or any shit like that.
You know?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It just is.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's tough.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
So life is like Dune.
Sure.
jordan holmes
And we all like a little spice.
Yeah.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Sure.
alex jones
And you've got the different cults and it's all about psychic powers.
You've got the guild and you've got the Benny Jesserit and then you've got the different military camps and everything's broken into houses.
The different families.
That's how everything really works.
I see how Satrides.
I see how Sarkonin feuding.
I see you behind it.
So I don't know if I can do any more of the show now.
I mean, I'm like, God, I'll do whatever you tell me.
Just, I know now when it's you.
jordan holmes
God save Gene Hackman.
alex jones
I told you back in July, Sonic.
Notice the left didn't attack this because they all know this is real.
They don't want you aware of it.
Because then you're not blind to their operations.
Four times in one week, usually happens every few months.
I'm woken up, middle of the night, and I'm like, fill the presents.
Okay.
Yeah, yes.
Yes.
Go turn your phone on right now.
It's going to say 4 a.m.
Boots up.
4 a.m.
Which means I'm being told this at 3.38.
3.30.
And just in case you're, just in case you're doubting me, start counting down to 14 now.
Count properly.
14, 13, 12, 11.
And then right at zero, it goes 401.
And that was the fourth time it happened in a row that week.
And I'm like, okay.
So I go get coffee.
It's 4 in the morning.
I'm sitting there.
And I'm like, okay.
I'm just sitting there.
All right.
They're going to try to kill Trump.
Okay.
Go warn people, warn Trump.
Stop having rallies outside.
Remember, Robins was doing that.
And I went on air and I said, I'm having dreams about Trump being killed at rallies and them blowing up his plane.
They're going to try to put plastic explosives in the lining of somebody's purse and going to do this.
And I just have to, I mean, but then the Gene Hackman thing.
And I'm just like, come on, I'm not going to Gene Hackman's house.
jordan holmes
Then you don't believe in God.
alex jones
I get told to do this.
I'm doing it.
dan friesen
Why are you so angry?
Not you, him.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Yeah, you don't.
You don't believe this.
jordan holmes
You don't believe in God.
If you don't, if you didn't understand that, if you were like, oh, well, as long as, I mean, it's even in the fucking book.
As long as it's convenient, then you do it.
But whenever it's not, you don't.
So you don't fucking believe in me.
dan friesen
If you're going to expend the amount of time you do on air and the effort of convincing people that God tells you what time it is on a clock in the middle of the night, then if you sincerely believed it, you would have gone to Gene Hackman's house.
Like he's disproving his own faith on air through this, what he thinks is a grand standing and demonstration of his faith.
Yep.
That's funny.
jordan holmes
It's funny.
I mean, in a cosmic sense.
dan friesen
Well, it's funny because he doesn't believe any of this shit.
He doesn't.
He doesn't.
He's just trying to make Gene Heckman's death interesting in the way that connects to him.
jordan holmes
I mean, he's done it, I guess.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
I guess he's done it.
dan friesen
In one of the most disgraceful discussions.
Like, you know, when someone dies, a celebrity dies.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
It's always a little bit tacky if people are like, I met them once, like trying to make their death about themselves.
jordan holmes
It is what it is.
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is another level.
jordan holmes
This is another level.
Yeah.
This is Mark Wahlberg, 9-11 kind of level of if only, how do you, how do you?
I mean, I understand, I if.
But here's the thing, I, like Mark Wahlberg, had his whole like if I was there, 9-11 wouldn't have happened right, but that wasn't like I had a bunch of dreams and then I deliberately chose to make 9-11 happen.
dan friesen
That's one, that's one very true thing.
The other true thing is that Alex is not really even saying he would have averted Gene Hackman's death.
Nope, he just needed to go there.
Yep, we don't know why nope um, and so Alex, maybe he was supposed to save him, maybe not, I don't know.
alex jones
The next time I get told to do this, I'm doing it, and I guess I was supposed to go there and like find the dead body or something, and that was gonna.
Then, I don't know, I don't get go home man, for any number of reasons, or maybe he wasn't dead yet and I was supposed to save him.
I have no idea.
unidentified
I would assume that he's just nauseous right now.
jordan holmes
i think i'm gonna throw up just not too much bye i i think I think there's something secretly, deeply profound that he has revealed about himself in that clip.
Right, his first thought was so about himself that he thought that it was entirely possible that the God of creating this universe was giving him dreams so he could go find Gene Hackman's body, presumably for the reason like okay so yeah, but it was found without his intervention, that's true.
dan friesen
Yeah, so it can't be about make sure someone finds the body.
It has to either be to so you get blamed yes, which is God fucking Alex over right, or it's so you get a lot of press out of this right, because you were there.
And then it proves that you get visions.
Yes, why the fuck would you go to Gene Hackman?
It would be insane if you never met this guy.
jordan holmes
It would be insane, right?
Alex Jones just showed up and said, i'm sorry, Gene Hackman, you're gonna die soon.
Go, told me.
unidentified
Or?
dan friesen
Uh hey I, I just got called to come here.
No one knew that he was dead.
Like it would in some way prove the haters wrong.
jordan holmes
Absolutely, you know, absolutely.
dan friesen
So yeah, the god of the universe really just wanted to demonstrate Alex's powers by telling him to do this completely crazy thing that he would never do.
Yep uh, and Alex resisted the call.
He failed yeah, he failed yeah, big time.
Yeah oh, i'm gonna throw up.
jordan holmes
I mean, if you believed, if you believed this, this really should fuck you up like really, really hard, like to to honestly, truly believe that you have been given the call by God which so many people dream of, you should feel the need to do severe penance, totally like it should be like uh, I have, I have to go live in the desert 100, two months or something like that, and eat bugs.
I have to eat the bugs.
I have to prostrate myself before go for failing him so bad.
Yeah, that Gene Hackman died.
dan friesen
Well, but Gene Heckman might have still died no matter what well, he was definitely going to die.
jordan holmes
He was 95 years old, it's true.
unidentified
So now here's the issue, pay him bondi, right?
Yeah, Many people have.
dan friesen
They hear God, but you have to know the difference between God and some demon talking to you, right?
It's an important distinction.
jordan holmes
It feels like if anybody should have a sincere grasp on this, it would have to be this man right here.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's thought about it a lot.
alex jones
Yeah.
And everything is listen to God and do what God tells you.
No matter how ridiculous.
But you've got to also know if it's the real voice of God.
And that's why there's so many crazy people is their own chemicals or their upbringing and they don't have enough knowledge and they're being deceived and they then can't differentiate the Holy Spirit from the other things that are in this universe.
Other people's free will, influence, lies, propaganda.
100% entities.
And people keep thinking aliens show up in tin cans.
No, it's in the space-time continuum.
Dimensions swirled around dimension, stacked on dimension.
And you, in your brain and your electrochemical processes, and this is even mainline science, your brain is operating in fourth, fifth, sixth dimension.
And it's electrochemically doing that.
And so it's a giant receiver transmitter.
Your DNA, they now know.
It literally transmits and receives.
You're a giant fireball.
And if you, again, stick a voltage meter up to somebody, you know, it starts, you've got electricity coming out of you.
And they can hook up all the different types of wires to you and pick up all those other types of energy.
And they know some people have a whole bunch of energy coming off and they don't know why.
I mean, they, look, the globalists know, obviously.
And they don't want you to know about this.
Because if you actually understand it, then you're going to go, oh my gosh, God's real.
Oh, my gosh, I'm saved.
I'm with God.
And then you're not scared of them anymore.
Instead, they want to tell you there's no God.
So you're all alone.
And then they can come into that vacuum.
All right.
If they gave six, seven, eight reporters or more files.
jordan holmes
Don't do that.
alex jones
Because that was over an hour ago.
Is it breaking yet?
dan friesen
I just think that's the perfect button.
jordan holmes
I mean.
dan friesen
Are those files out yet?
jordan holmes
I don't know if there's a better button.
dan friesen
I'm rambling about how God wanted me to go to Gene Ackman's house.
It gave me 200 prophetic dreams and you understand that electricity is coming off you.
You're a giant fireball.
jordan holmes
I just got a message from God to wrap this up.
dan friesen
I got a message from God to check Twitter.
jordan holmes
Wow.
Just wow.
dan friesen
What an indication of a man-killing time.
jordan holmes
I mean, you know, it's hard.
It's hard because this is such like the, this is the power of certainty.
Because this man is far more certain about a universe that I am 100% certain does not exist than I am certain about the universe that I live in.
And I fear we do not operate in the same universes, and I don't know what to do about this fact.
dan friesen
Yeah, I'm certain that at least conceptually you don't.
I'm not sure if there's different physics, but oh my God.
So when Alex was talking about like how he had these visions and he was supposed to go save Gene Heckman and stuff or whatever, I'm being a little bit glib about him.
And I'm being a little bit like, you know, obviously there's the, if he believes this stuff, he's crazy.
If he doesn't, and he's saying this, he's crazy.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And there's a part of me that, like, I really don't care because I also know that it's coming to this point where he's like, they give it to six people.
It's out now, right?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
There's a craft.
There's a...
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
There's a...
None of that meant anything to him, but it also kind of does.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
It's fascinating.
jordan holmes
It is both nothingness and the most important thing that he can think of because it is God giving him messages, which again, if true.
Huge.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Very big.
dan friesen
I like to at least pretend I believe in any of that stuff.
Yeah.
Or at least believe that he believes it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I think that that's really what I want to end this episode on, is just remembering that if anything he says means anything, he failed a giant test.
A 200 prophetic dream test to go to Gene Hackman's house, presumably I've decided this, just to prove that he was prophet.
jordan holmes
It would have to be something along those lines.
dan friesen
To prove his psychicness.
He had the opportunity and he whiffed.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Cool.
jordan holmes
I mean, and then, and yeah, yeah.
He's talking about the most important thing in the world.
It would have to be the creator of such and their existence or not.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Right.
And then that button lets you know that regardless of what he believes, it's all secondary to the business buddy.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You know?
dan friesen
Like what's on Twitter.
jordan holmes
It's, hey, listen, that was great.
I believe in, you know, that I have the power of God or whatever, but come on, we got to get to work.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
We got business to do.
dan friesen
And when you really take a step back from that, you realize that the God stuff and all that shit is part of that.
You got work to do.
This is business.
Yep.
So anyway, what a failure.
jordan holmes
Wild.
dan friesen
What a dick.
But it's also very funny.
jordan holmes
That is, it's just such a crazy thing to say about yourself without like weeping and gnashing.
There are words for it.
The gnashing of teeth is some of them.
dan friesen
There's something also like it's not every day that you get an Alex episode that includes the hinge type moment where he says, I'm messed up about Gene Hackman's death because I have prophetic dreams.
That kind of, like, you're dangling off the side of a cliff.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And that kind of, if you feel alive when you hear something like that.
jordan holmes
It really does wake you up.
It really does bring you out of it.
dan friesen
So anyway, Liberation Day.
jordan holmes
Way, way better than going.
You know, it's almost like you received several dreams during our day at a time thing, and then suddenly you just got the call.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
It's time to move on.
And then, bam, we get Super Bowl.
We get Gene Hackman murder.
dan friesen
Crazy times.
jordan holmes
Wild.
dan friesen
So we'll be back with another episode.
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
Indeed, we do.
It's KnowledgeFight.com.
dan friesen
Yep, we'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I am the mysterious professor.
jordan holmes
And now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
jordan holmes
Hello, Alex.
unidentified
I'm my first time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your work.
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