All Episodes
March 21, 2025 - Knowledge Fight
01:30:18
#1018: February 5, 2025

In this installment, Dan and Jordan tune in to hear Alex discuss how Elon Musk is totally right to take over the FBI and slash social security, because eventually it will lead to moon vacations in middle class price ranges.

Participants
Main voices
a
alex jones
21:43
d
dan friesen
45:00
j
jordan holmes
18:27
Appearances
Clips
p
pastor david manning
00:02
s
steve quayle
00:02
Callers
andy in kansas
00:02
| Copy link to current segment

Speaker Time Text
unidentified
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
College fight.
Need money.
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
Stop it.
Andy in Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
unidentified
Thanks for holding me.
andy in kansas
I love your world.
unidentified
Knowledge Fight.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today, buddy?
dan friesen
I'm going to go first.
jordan holmes
My bright spot today is yesterday, as we're recording this, was the first time I played tennis this year.
With my cousin, we went out, we played some tennis.
It was supposed to be warmer, and it turned out to be only 40 degrees.
dan friesen
And there's snow on the ground right now.
jordan holmes
There's snow on the ground right now.
It was very cold.
It was very cold.
But yeah, we did it.
It was great.
I'm an old man.
Everything hurts.
dan friesen
Rank yourself on a scale of zero to Alcaraz.
jordan holmes
I'll tell you what.
Here's what happened, though.
And I'm not going to put my business out there too much.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
This is the first set of tennis I had won off of Ben for...
dan friesen
This feels more like you're putting Ben's business on the streets.
jordan holmes
Very first time I've won.
Very first time.
It was great.
dan friesen
This feels less of you talking about your business than shitting on his game.
jordan holmes
I'm just telling you that I was amazing.
It was truly an incredible performance.
dan friesen
It's got to be either you were amazing or he was bad.
jordan holmes
He wasn't great.
It was not a good day for him.
dan friesen
See, look at this.
Talking that shit.
One day back on the tennis court and you're already...
Peacockin' around.
unidentified
What am I gonna do?
jordan holmes
Not peacock around?
I've never won before.
dan friesen
You gotta do it.
jordan holmes
I get one shot.
dan friesen
How did the...
Was it like three sets?
I panicked.
jordan holmes
Close enough.
I liked it.
dan friesen
That's great.
jordan holmes
No, we played one set.
It was six to four.
dan friesen
Six to four.
jordan holmes
Six to four.
dan friesen
Twenty-five or six to four.
Great song by Chicago.
jordan holmes
That sounds true.
dan friesen
It is.
It's definitely true.
jordan holmes
I don't know about the great song part.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's great.
A lot of horns.
jordan holmes
Alright, what's your bright spot?
dan friesen
I was thinking about how there have been, like I haven't had a food thing in a while, and I think that it's been slow over at the unnamed grocery store, and I think that what it has to be now, because I think that was unsatisfying anyway, as a 2025 thing.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
I'm going to eat something strange.
Diminishing returns.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
If people want to send things to the P.O. box that are fun, maybe I'll try some fun foods and shit that people send.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
But I think more interesting is 2025 is the year of this pinky ring.
jordan holmes
I was literally...
You've been swirling it around.
unidentified
I have.
jordan holmes
You've been playing with it like a conductor.
dan friesen
And I think that what it should be...
jordan holmes
It's just a pinky ring!
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But I can review life situations as someone who's wearing a pinky ring.
jordan holmes
With a pinky ring versus without a pinky ring.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And so I can say that I went to the grocery store with a pinky ring.
jordan holmes
That is true.
dan friesen
It felt almost no different.
jordan holmes
Almost no different.
dan friesen
Almost no different.
jordan holmes
Almost?
dan friesen
Well, there was the slight awareness that I was wearing a pinky ring.
jordan holmes
There's a little weight on your pinky.
Your pinky is slightly heavier.
dan friesen
Yeah, and there was the walking to the store and thinking like, am I going to feel, is everyone going to be staring at my pinky ring?
jordan holmes
Okay, that is an interesting question.
dan friesen
There's a self-consciousness.
jordan holmes
There's a question that I had been avoiding about the pinky ring.
Are you inviting attention on the pinky ring?
dan friesen
How would I do that?
jordan holmes
I have no idea.
You've been swaying it about.
In this conversation, you've been pulling a lot of pinky moves.
dan friesen
I feel like I'm talking...
jordan holmes
You Dr. Evil me a couple of times?
dan friesen
I did not Dr. Evil you.
No, I don't think I am.
I don't think I'm bringing attention.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, do you want people to notice the pinky ring?
dan friesen
Not really.
I want to experience what life is like within a pinky ring prism.
jordan holmes
Right, but what if...
dan friesen
Prism, not prison.
jordan holmes
Nice.
I like that.
But, and this is something that I don't know.
Perhaps you'll discover.
Obviously, this is your foray into pinky ringdom.
I just have always assumed that if you wear a pinky ring, people are going to be like, oh, hey!
What's up with that on your pinky?
dan friesen
So far, zero questions.
Also, no one has given me tribute as if I'm a mob boss or anything, so I've avoided that.
jordan holmes
No tips of the cap?
No nothing?
dan friesen
I don't know if I've seen many people wearing caps that are tippable.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
Fair enough.
dan friesen
So I'll keep you up to date on various life situations that I get in and how my pinky ring affects or does not affect them.
jordan holmes
Excellent.
dan friesen
So today, Jordan, we've got an episode to go over.
We're going to be talking about February 5th, 2025.
jordan holmes
Here are the pinky ring.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
unidentified
Yep.
Yep.
dan friesen
That is what it is.
jordan holmes
That is what it is.
dan friesen
And the world shall accept that.
I guess.
I don't know.
So this episode is interesting.
Alex lies about a fair number of things, and it's full of shit.
And so we'll talk about that.
But first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, DD Mega Doodoo, you are the love of my life.
You make me the happiest wonk alive.
Thank you for marrying this loser little titty baby.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, happy birthday to Tracy, who is one download from God away from her PhD.
Keep eating your chicken fried steak and you'll be Dr. Tracy in no time.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And the transgender global human rights student who listens to Knowledge Fight while giving black Muslim immigrants government money.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And we got a technocrack in the mix.
jordan holmes
Technocrack!
dan friesen
So thank you so much, too.
I'm Redneck Matt, and my wife thought Alex was calling Jar Jar Binks a loser little titty baby.
Sorry for exposing you to Alex, honey, but I love you.
Thank you so much.
You're an out of technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Call home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
pastor david manning
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
alex jones
Daddy Shark.
Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser little titty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Really does sound like he's calling Jar Jar Binks a loser little titty baby, doesn't it?
jordan holmes
I mean, I wouldn't...
If he were to, I would not get in the way.
dan friesen
Do you remember who he was calling a loser Little Titty Baby?
jordan holmes
Was it Schumer?
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
Was it Brian Cranston?
dan friesen
Nope.
Keep going if you like.
jordan holmes
No, I don't think I want to.
dan friesen
Colin Kaepernick.
jordan holmes
Colin Kaepernick?
unidentified
Yep.
Really?
jordan holmes
Yep.
Man, that feels like a million years ago.
dan friesen
It sure was.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, today, we're jumping off here, and it turns out Trump is seasoned control of the CIA, and Alex is thrilled about it.
alex jones
Trump and Musk and us, all of us, we are over the target.
Now, the developments are so incredible that I'm going to do my very best to go over it all here and break the latest information as it comes out.
But what has been revealed, and then what Trump's doing, Trump offered to have all the employees of the CIA quit and buy them out, and then under the law, if they don't accept that, he says all of them, knowing it's the bad ones that'll quit, then under the law, they have no recourse when he fires them.
That's why he's doing that.
all of the CIA.
That's how you abolish an agency.
And then, of course, Trump won't completely get rid of it.
dan friesen
This is not a person celebrating a president attempting to make reforms in the CIA.
This is celebrating a hostile takeover of the country's intelligence community, replacing the CIA with ideologues and loyalists.
Trump's new administration had the CIA send them an unclassified email that listed the past two years' hires by their first name and last initial, which was a crazy thing to do.
Jim Himes, the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, said, I wish this was more interesting or complicated than it is, but it's pretty simple.
Trump is taking over the government and purging dissent with the offer of a buyout being the carrot that's going to be followed by the stick if need be.
Also, Trump did this in early February and he's still alive.
If the premise is supposed to be that JFK was killed because he was going to get rid of the CIA, this kind of hurts the conspiracy.
Like, he shouldn't be able to do this.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Based on everything that Alex's worldview is built on.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, it does feel like, first off...
If you have a big bad guy with a super powerful secret intelligence agency, the idea that it would just go...
unidentified
Oh, the boss says we have to be dumb now.
jordan holmes
Sounds crazy.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
So, you know it's real, because apparently our agencies just go, I guess we're stupid.
The end.
dan friesen
I guess we're being forced to be dumb.
This is really unwise.
jordan holmes
We're the people who have our tendrils inside the governments of every major nation on this planet.
Oh, sorry, we're dumb now.
unidentified
My bad.
dan friesen
The reality of the existence of the present undermines the premise of the past.
Yeah.
In Alex's world.
And I think that that's something that I can't imagine how he deals with.
jordan holmes
You know what?
I might even go so far as to say the existence of the present should kind of remake us think about how we all thought about the past.
dan friesen
I think, sure.
No, I definitely think so.
I think so.
That is a universal thing.
But it's particularly pointed in the world of conspiracy theories.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
And the overpowered all-powerfulness of, let's say, the CIA.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
No, I mean, in a way, you could say that this was the culmination of conspiracy theorists wanting one of them to be true.
So they made a conspiracy happen, and then it took over.
And now they're realizing that they were never really that smart in the first place.
dan friesen
No, and other ones were true.
They just weren't that interesting to this brand of person.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Like Alex.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Anyway, Doge.
jordan holmes
Great.
Great.
dan friesen
I said it.
jordan holmes
The present is great.
dan friesen
So, I've been working on a theory.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that is the second that someone says...
Doge.
There should be an emergency button.
Like, the idea that you would name this bullshit, fake government oversight thing after a meme coin.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Like, it's just crisis.
Crisis.
Crisis.
jordan holmes
No, no, I mean, yeah, but one of the big problems that we have is whenever things are illegal, there is no immediate things happen button.
dan friesen
If, like, Soros was...
Doing a government oversight thing, and it was named after a meme coin that he had, but was doing a lot of stuff that I supported.
Still an emergency.
jordan holmes
That's how it works.
dan friesen
So anyway, they're in the FBI now.
unidentified
Cool.
jordan holmes
Cool, cool, cool.
alex jones
Then Doge is inside the FBI.
They've been there for two days.
I told you big stuff's about to break.
The FBI has been illegally paying all sorts of groups to infiltrate.
To set people up, they paid the provocateurs.
They had thousands of them there on January 6th.
The FBI director perjured himself to Congress.
He's already been caught in lies.
It's a lot bigger than what's already come out.
I mean, for God's sakes, there's video of hundreds of them in Antifa gear putting Trump gear on.
I mean, it's ridiculous.
And feds that broke through the windows, fake arrests and taking their handcuffs off and high-fying them.
We have them.
So you're hearing the media, oh, it's about the J6 committee and the illegal stuff it did, destroying evidence, witness tampering, paying people, falsifying evidence.
Now that's a small part of it.
It's the people that ran the J6 in Congress with Pelosi, quarterbacked the attack with a special FBI unit.
We already know the name.
We know who did it.
dan friesen
So all this stuff about January 6th is bullshit, but if Alex has all these names and all that stuff, then he should probably report them.
I know he whines about Ray Epps and all that shit, but based on the level of the case that he's saying he can make, he needs to provide more details.
I think that Alex is telling a stupid story here.
If Nancy Pelosi and the secret FBI unit here, they plan January 6th, which in Alex's mind is a false flag attempted overthrow of the country, am I supposed to believe that they left behind clues that Elon Musk's crack team of young racists are just going to walk in and find?
If they're willing to go through so much effort to break the law in secret to get their way...
Don't you think they would have killed Trump or Musk by now?
They wouldn't just leave like, uh-oh, they're gonna find the murder weapon.
jordan holmes
Please.
dan friesen
These globalists and Alex's head have the power to pull off any fantastic villain plot he can imagine, but are somehow limited by stupid shit like paperwork.
If there's some evidence in the FBI that proves that Nancy Pelosi and a secret team planned January 6th, they aren't gonna leave it to some possible court injunction to say that Musk's guys can't look at that stuff.
If they're evil enough and good enough at planning to handle the first part, they wouldn't handle the second part the way they have.
It's character inconsistency.
This is gonna become a major problem for Alex as the second Trump administration goes along.
The opposition that he's built up as being all run by demons and super competent conspirators has shown itself to be pretty incompetent against Trump's blitz of seasoned power, which makes no sense.
They're supposed to have superpowers.
They can see the future in shit.
They've been doing this since...
Jesus was alive.
As time goes on, we'll likely see the institutional power that exists as an opposition party to Trump lose a lot of the traction that it has.
The Democrats, not all but many, seem to be unable to navigate this moment politically, which limits the checks on power that Congress can have, and the Supreme Court is dubious at best.
I imagine that we're going to see a lot more grassroots type of entities that are going to exist as forces actually pushing back against Trump.
So the move you're going to see is Alex connecting these things to his existing villains.
He needs to do that for narrative purposes, like how he used those fake contracts that someone found online to claim that Soros was behind the Black Lives Matter protests.
And that's what's going to happen.
You're going to see organic things connected to Hillary Clinton.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Because otherwise Alex can't tell those stories.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
One thing that I would, I think, about these particular people is I feel a lot more comfortable when they and law enforcement are in a far more confrontational.
I do not like them feeling like law enforcement has their back.
That's no good.
That is no good at all.
dan friesen
You mean folks like Alex?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
No, thank you.
dan friesen
Well, I think that there is a part of his brain that always kind of thought, like, true law enforcement has my back.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
Because true law enforcement is fascism.
dan friesen
Sure.
And he had some of that.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But in reality, he wouldn't have any expectation that the police are going to...
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And now, I think you'd have much more of an expectation that, like, nah, the system is on your side.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
I mean, yeah, now's not the time to be like, hey, the FPR sucks.
Don't do it now.
Now's not the time.
dan friesen
Well, it's not not the time, though, too.
unidentified
Fair enough.
dan friesen
Anyway, the globalists are done.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
They're fucking done.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
Except maybe they're not.
They might do a suitcase.
unidentified
God damn it.
dan friesen
Maybe, but they're done.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
Been swept away.
And their death throes are spectacular and also dangerous, and we're now at the maximum point of danger where the COG globalist system is being taken over by Trump.
I'd use the analogy of in 2001 Space Odyssey when the astronaut gets back in to turn off the AI that just killed the other astronauts, and he gets in the airlock and he's turning off the brain functions, and the robot's saying, I'm afraid, Dave.
I'm afraid.
And then, as his higher functions turn off and he goes, I'm losing my mind, Dave.
Please don't, Dave.
unidentified
Please stop, Dave.
And then finally, I am a HAL 9000 computer.
I was manufactured in Chicago, Illinois for the...
alex jones
I mean, it's happening.
And the globalists can set off suitcase nukes and blame Russia, Iran.
They can kill Trump, blame Iran.
That's the one big screw-up I see is Trump saying, if I get killed, I put orders behind to totally obliterate Iran.
Oh, great, and the deep state kills you and then blames Iran, and then the public could possibly be convinced that's true.
And then they have their cake and eat it too.
Not good.
dan friesen
Not good.
jordan holmes
Before we go any further, I just want to make sure, because I hope this is true.
Now I'm not sure, right?
The president can't leave like, you have to do this if I die orders.
dan friesen
Nothing's stopping anyone from doing that in a free country.
jordan holmes
Right, but they can't do that, right?
Like, they can't do that.
They can't be like, well, the president said it before he got murdered, so now we have to do it.
That's not okay.
dan friesen
You're talking about something different.
You're talking about whether or not it's binding.
jordan holmes
Right, exactly.
dan friesen
Anyone can make these orders.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, fair enough.
dan friesen
Once a person's dead, you don't have to do it.
jordan holmes
That's what I'm saying.
unidentified
That's what I'm saying.
jordan holmes
There are no binding.
We have no, like, oh, he's the president forever, even if he's dead, rules.
dan friesen
No, I don't think that you could, like, unearth some secret Abraham Lincoln missive.
jordan holmes
You don't know that now, though!
You don't know anymore!
dan friesen
I don't think you could do that.
But that would be great.
There'd just be a whole new industry of, like, forged...
jordan holmes
We're all Joseph Smith now.
We're all finding golden tablets left and right.
dan friesen
Just a bunch of forged executive orders from dead people.
jordan holmes
Holy shit, I've got your Monroe Doctrine here.
unidentified
Boom!
jordan holmes
Found it!
dan friesen
The new Monroe Doctrine.
Yeah, I think it opens up a very unsettling world of possibilities.
But that was a good impression of Hal.
jordan holmes
That wasn't terrible, I guess.
dan friesen
So I think that oftentimes people try to use movie metaphors and shit to make concepts more understandable to lay people, putting in quotes, because it's a little condescending.
But in Alex's world, he just does movie stuff.
He's not even trying to make a hard-to-understand concept more relatable.
It's just, oh, I thought of that movie.
That's it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's fucked up.
He's stupid.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think a lot of people want the idea to be like what you described.
It's like, oh, well, I read all this Play-Doh, right?
But, you know, we're several thousand years later, so we've got a lot of culture built up, so I can kind of lead you through those ideas through Star Wars or whatever.
Alex is like, I saw a bird outside.
That's like that movie.
There's a bird outside.
dan friesen
Birdman.
jordan holmes
Yep, there we go.
dan friesen
Also, Play-Doh left behind.
Some things to do after he died.
alex jones
Oh, shit!
jordan holmes
God damn it!
What is it binding these days?
dan friesen
So, Trump is trying to fire all these CIA people.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And then he's gonna get rid of the Department of Education.
jordan holmes
All right.
alex jones
For people that don't understand statutorily, when Trump goes to all these federal agencies and says, all of you can quit.
Anybody.
And I'll give you a one-year buyout of your salary.
In the executive branch, under the law, there's a lot of people you can just get rid of outright, but other people, there's a procedure where they can have some legal standing and tie things up in court.
So Trump has initiated the different laws and provisions that if he gives them a buyout plan and then they don't take it, they can be fired.
So it's hilarious to watch all this happening.
And then, of course, they said, why are you putting McMahon in at...
Department of Education, he said to shut it down.
But first, we've got to find out where all the money's been stolen and the criminals are.
But we'll be shutting it down and giving it back to the states.
And they just go, oh.
They're like, you're not going to shut it down, are you?
He's supposed to go, oh, no media.
No corporate media.
Yeah, I'm going to shut it down.
And they just go down the list of the agencies that are who are globalist Parasites at war with us on record.
dan friesen
It kind of has to feel like an insult if you're Linda McMahon.
The only reason that you would be justified as a nominee for the Secretary of Education is if it plans to destroy the agency.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Kind of feels like maybe she's actually just a super rich person who Trump knows well and is easily controllable based on the dirt he undoubtedly has on her and her husband.
jordan holmes
What dirt could they possibly have on them?
dan friesen
I mean...
jordan holmes
Those people are clean as a whistle, my friend.
dan friesen
Yeah, when you think of pillars of the community, you think of Vince fucking McMahon.
jordan holmes
Absolutely!
dan friesen
Um, come on now.
jordan holmes
I would like that.
I think that would be a compliment to me, personally, if somebody was like, oh, the only reason Jordan was hired to helm this organization was clearly to destroy it.
Because that would be like, yes, that's who I am.
That's what I'm here for, right?
You've correctly understood me.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
I don't know if that's a compliment for Stephanie McMahon, because I think she thinks she's going to really revolutionize it and make it better.
unidentified
Well, here's the good news.
dan friesen
Stephanie McMahon is her daughter who got kidnapped by Triple H and married in Las Vegas.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
Linda McMahon is her daughter.
dan friesen
And then was kidnapped by...
Jesus Christ.
jordan holmes
Why did I even say Stephanie McMahon?
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
It's just because.
dan friesen
Because she's...
jordan holmes
It's her actual daughter who was kidnapped...
dan friesen
By Triple H and then married.
jordan holmes
We're not really going to allow this to happen, right?
dan friesen
Apparently we are.
jordan holmes
What if it is all a work?
Have you considered that?
dan friesen
The government is now WWE?
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
Well, I think the good news is that Trump is a heel, and they generally lose at the end.
jordan holmes
There we go.
We've got positivity going.
I like this.
dan friesen
I guess.
But I worry that in the world of modern time and the McMahon family, maybe Trump isn't a heel.
jordan holmes
Okay, let me throw this out there.
Undertaker.
dan friesen
Right.
Well, he's Mark now.
Mark Calloway.
jordan holmes
Supreme Court building.
Top of it.
Chokeslam.
Trump to the bottom.
You know what I'm saying?
That's dramatic.
dan friesen
You know, there's a thing called Wrestler's Court.
Where people would, if they violated the sort of rules of...
jordan holmes
Kayfabe?
dan friesen
The like?
Yeah, they could be.
Or if they just were kind of dicks to the other wrestlers and stuff, they would have to go to wrestler's court.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
And Undertaker presided over that.
So he could be in the Supreme Court.
jordan holmes
Hell yes.
dan friesen
He has experience.
jordan holmes
Hell yes.
We have already made a much better country in such a short period of time.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Pack the Supreme Court with legends.
jordan holmes
I finally found out what Austin 316 means, so I'm excited.
That's true, yeah.
dan friesen
You don't know.
So Musk, Elon Musk, is fucking great, and we know that because Alex says it every day.
alex jones
And so he can hire anybody he wants, and so he sends in Elon Musk that knows how to go into a company.
Look what he did at X. Look what he did at X everywhere.
Look what he did with Tesla.
That wasn't doing well until he came in and got it.
Then he slept and lived at the factory for a year until he got it done.
So, no.
I mean, Musk is everything you've heard and more.
So, of course, he's the guy to send in.
Totally legal, totally lawful.
So they get Hakeem Jeffries and Pocahontas.
I've got all the clips here.
Saying he's in your Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid.
He's stealing it all right now.
He's giving it to the communist Chinese.
He's in your personal data.
Oh, and all these globalist commies weren't?
He's not in the little data.
He's in the big chunks where hundreds of millions here, billions there.
They just released last night $100 billion that was given in COVID relief to, quote, Europe, to all these, quote, scammers that were just set up.
Yeah, scammers.
Globalist CIA.
Soros groups that's coming out now.
And then, oh God, it was set up and they just got $100 billion.
All of it got stolen every dime.
Precision incompetence.
dan friesen
Quote Europe.
So it's interesting that Doge discovered there's $100 billion in fraud around COVID relief spending because an AP investigation from 2023 found, quote, that fraudsters potentially stole more than $280 billion in COVID-19 relief funding.
Another $123 billion was wasted or misspent.
This investigation was made possible by the Biden administration's Department of Justice having a pandemic response accountability committee, which was overseen by Michael Horowitz, who was an inspector general.
Surprisingly, he wasn't one of the ones that Trump immediately fired after getting into office, but he probably won't last all that long.
This huge amount of fraud was facilitated by pandemic relief programs that began during Trump's first term and were run with almost no oversight because the severe need to aid small businesses and And it's very unfortunate.
According to the Associated Press, the government has charged 2,230 people for this kind of fraud as of 2023 when this report came out.
Doge is itself a fraud.
Since beginning this campaign to pretend to cut government spending, they've posted a ton of dishonest numbers meant to make Musk look more competent than he is.
For instance, there have been grants that they've claimed to have cancelled within USAID that have already been paid out.
So in essence, they're claiming the value of those contracts as savings, where in the real world, they haven't saved anything.
In other cases, they've made really simple and intentional errors.
There was a case where Musk claimed that he'd cut three USAID agreements that combined up to $2 billion.
He got that number because they pretended that each program was worth $655 million, but in the real world, they were all contained within the same $655 million contract, so he was triple counting it.
They're making mistakes like this because Doge and Elon are working from the same playbook as Alex.
They're abusing the cement while it's wet, knowing that this is the only time when you can make an imprint on it.
You rush out with all these flashy headlines about billions of dollars, perfect for everyone on social media to repeat and get all worked up about because you know that if you waited until people had access to relevant information, your narratives would have zero impact on that dry concrete.
Alex understands this dynamic and he's built an empire of bullshit on it.
But now we have a government behaving in the same way, which kind of helps you understand why, like, there is a gravitational pull between Musk, Alex, Trump.
Like, there's an underlying, very much bigoted worldview that they all share.
But there is also, like, an operational, like, this is the way this works kind of similarity.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and now that they've got a situation where they can...
I don't think anybody would be or should be worried about a propaganda agency anymore because they'll just say something and then people will defend them for free.
And then the fight will happen and it'll just be the fight.
It's the same fight that's been going on for 30 years or whatever.
dan friesen
And if you have any concerns about anything, Elon owns Twitter.
There you go.
Who gives a shit?
If you're at all worried about...
Don't be.
jordan holmes
Say something, and then it'll be true until it's not, and then it won't matter.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I think that you also should be, like, I can't imagine why anyone would be concerned about, like, saying something that would get them in trouble.
You know, like, Elon, probably for a lot of these tweets, in a normal world, as we've understood it, as we were younger, you'd get arrested for that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, it's not so much a free speech issue.
It is an incitement and...
It's a whole mess.
It's a violation of privacy.
It's a violation of all sorts of things.
And that's just not an issue anymore.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
So that sucks.
jordan holmes
Eh.
dan friesen
But it turns out that Doge is sort of a front organization.
jordan holmes
That...
Nope.
Hold on.
Hold on, before we go any further, the idea that this efficiency agency would be a front agency renders all words meaningless.
dan friesen
But do you think Alex is in favor of it as a front organization?
jordan holmes
Obviously, I'm going to go with the latter.
dan friesen
Yeah, of course, because he loves it.
alex jones
Now Doge, for two days, is at the FBI headquarters.
And people go, oh, Doge, that's Elon Musk computer programmers.
No.
That's what the media focuses on, and they're great.
They know, find the back doors, where the back doors are.
They built the NSA modern system.
We've had the former director of it on, William, many, many times.
Starting in the 90s when they, quote, upgraded it with back doors for all of the CIA fronts and contractors, Booz Allen, all of them.
And that's all getting shut off.
So it's the opposite of what they say.
But who's really at the FBI is all of Kosh Patel's intelligence people.
And that's from the Department of Doge, where Trump can immediately send his teams into audit and then instantly start flooding the corruption out, flooding the crimes.
And you try to even chronicle it, it's literally thousands of stories just in the last 24 hours.
Here's another one.
And I already knew this.
I've explained this for years.
It's come out many times, but not the full gravity.
You hear about it in Europe, where the government pays the private media, but it's really state-run.
You hear about the U.K. and Canada, because they don't even hide it.
Well, just the U.S. aid fountain, and that's small, but it was the most arrogant, and the State Department had full control of it statutorily, so it was the easiest to go into and the most arrogant.
jordan holmes
What does that even mean?
alex jones
The damn law says the State Department runs it.
It reports to them.
So...
You've got it coming out.
It's already devastating.
The New York Times, Politico, all of them, we're getting hundreds of millions of dollars a year.
To attack patriots.
Smoking gun.
Like I told you once ago, it's not just 300 million that Biden put in a year ago to Reuters, that's MI6, to then run hundreds of other publication attacks on Elon, his family, his businesses, PIs, harassment.
I said, it's going to be a lot more.
And now they found billions.
Over $2 billion in what they just released yesterday of federal money given to the corporate media.
dan friesen
So if I understand Alex correctly, Doge is a fake organization that Trump created that's full of hackers who report only to Elon Musk, which serves as a front group for Trump to send in loyalists in the organizations like the FBI to internally investigate government bodies that they don't like.
If Doge is a way for Trump to send in Kash Patel's people to subvert the law, it really seems like a flagrant conflict of interest for Doge to be looking into the FBI.
I don't know.
This is all insane, and it's just really funny to imagine 2001 Alex Jones trying to justify supporting this shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But as that clip went along, we saw Alex seeming to get into a specific.
He's covering Elon's revelations of all this supposed illegal spending by just waving at a giant pile and saying, he's doing so much, it's impossible to cover it all.
He seems to be continuing to do that here, but then he kind of gets into specifics.
He says that USAID paid corporate media billions of dollars to run attacks on patriots.
So Alex already misreported the story about the BBC getting money from USAID, which was actually money that went to the BBC media action charity, and he never made a correction about that, so he's not really starting off from a place of credibility.
The next media outlet that people were posting a lot about was Politico, which was not propped up by government funding.
USAID had paid Politico $44,000 in 2023 and 2024 for subscriptions to Politico Pro, which is a policy tracking site.
The government paying for those subscriptions is like how your job might cover your access to Microsoft Office.
Like, this is just grasping at straws.
Then Elon Musk made a lot of noise, claiming that the New York Times was essentially state-funded by posting a screenshot that appeared to show tens of millions of dollars being given to the Times.
This was a fraudulently presented screenshot posted by notorious idiot and social media troll Ian Miles Chong that included all spending listed on the website USA Spending when you searched for the words New York Times.
Newsweek reviewed this and found that it included a bunch of unrelated spending to things like the New York Genome Center.
off the bat, this story is a fraud.
As it turns out, in the past 17 years, the New York Times has received approximately $3.1 million in government spending, almost entire on subscriptions for employees.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, obviously.
dan friesen
The thing to understand here is that Elon Musk is the person who's supposed to be working around the clock to save all this government money, and he's amplifying bullshit tweets from known idiots that lie about what the government is spending.
He doesn't care at all about the core issue he's pretending to engage with.
This is just a matter of finding things that shitheads online can misrepresent in order to provide cover for the real agenda that's going on, that's being perpetrated.
carried out behind the scenes.
That's the whole thing.
jordan holmes
Yep.
unidentified
Django keys over here.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Kill everybody over there.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
It's very uncomplicated.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
And Alex is as he has wished to be a Yep.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
He is superfluous.
dan friesen
He doesn't matter.
All he's doing is sitting around and reading the tweets.
Fuck off.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah.
dan friesen
I wish to be obsolete.
Congratulations.
jordan holmes
To a certain extent, I will say this.
If I'm him, right, I would really be mad at the Democrats right now for not having a better resistance.
Because what else am I supposed to do?
Just read tweets.
What are they doing?
Fucking nothing.
This is wasteful.
dan friesen
Right.
And I don't even think that you can credibly...
Come up with too much of a storyline that involves peril to Trump.
jordan holmes
Absolutely not.
Oh, they're going to vote?
Really?
Are they going to vote?
Because I bet it won't matter.
dan friesen
If you're in Alex's position, there's no credible bad guy kind of thing to do anymore, except for, I guess, a suitcase nuke might happen or something.
jordan holmes
Can you even imagine trying to paint Chuck Schumer as a bad guy now?
Or like...
dan friesen
I mean, as incompetent or, like, as someone who's not doing a good enough job, yes.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But, like, the way that Alex...
I mean, it was only, like, six months ago that he was screaming about Chuck Schumer not knowing how to cook meat.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And stuff, and that feels real silly now.
jordan holmes
These masterminds no longer feel very mindy or mastery.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, Alex, he's touched on this USAID spending, and it's all about how the media is all controlled.
The government's paying off all of the corporate media and all this.
And so he talks about his experience with that, and he is full of shit.
alex jones
They'll put out corporate news, and you'll notice at the timestamp when they have an attack on me.
Sometimes thousands of articles a day.
2017, 18, 19. And it would all have the same exact to the second time code, and the articles were all very similar, because they all had agreements with each other, too, that, well, we're all getting the same money, but we do want the ratings, so we all agree to publish at the same second.
These are totally illegal coordinated attacks.
It's illegal for the federal government to censor somebody, but it's really illegal to have them pay people to do that.
Musk just posted, not for long, which is obviously a huge waste of taxpayer money.
That's an understatement.
It's not just Politico.
The Associated Press has been raking in millions of dollars in government money for years.
The AP's bias also makes perfect sense.
The bias?
It's not a bias.
It's a weapons system operation mockingbird of the CIA 2.0.
jordan holmes
But you guys have that now.
alex jones
You know, when you get 2,000 articles published the same second that you go to kids' graves and piss on it, when you never did it and no one ever did it, but they don't care, that people are like, come on, Alex, there's not 2,000 articles a day that you peed on graves.
jordan holmes
This feels very specific.
alex jones
That's not fake.
Come on, Alex, there's 500 articles a day that you beat up your employees and there was a fish tank with a fish in it that belonged to one of the employees' nieces and you grabbed it and ate it.
Never had a fish.
Never killed the fish.
Got a fish tank at home, a saltwater tank.
I love my fish.
Got some fish that's been alive 11 years.
My little cutie doesn't have a name for it.
But the point is, is that my fish's name is top secret.
The point is, is that that's from the Wolf of Wall Street.
And Finding Nemo, they're so lazy.
dan friesen
So lazy.
jordan holmes
So lazy.
dan friesen
It's interesting how this is like a compounding lie.
On the first level, Alex is lying about what people have accused him of.
No one claimed that he ate an employee's fish.
His former employee said that he threw away a goldfish that another employee had brought to the office in a bag.
Alex has attached the Wolf of Wall Street thing on to create a straw man to pretend that his enemies have accused him of something in a movie.
Similarly, no one accused him of peeing on any child's grave.
We've been over this a ton of times, but Alex has created this accusation up so he can defend himself from a fake charge and ignore the reality of what he did and how his actions have affected people in deeply traumatic ways.
These accusations aren't real, and they weren't published in the corporate media, let alone in thousands of articles that were set to release simultaneously to the second.
This is a further layer of the lie that Alex is trying to perpetuate.
I think it's believable that some random people on Twitter accused Alex of eating a fish or peeing on someone's grave, but that would be the result of them not reading the actual stories about these subjects.
It feels like it's often the case that Alex doesn't touch any real stories, choosing instead to complain about social media while pretending that he's upset about something real.
So you might see somebody say something in a tweet and be like, oh the corporate media is accusing me of this.
No.
No.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
It's not real.
jordan holmes
It's like that joke, you know, like, but you fuck one goat and they call you a goat fucker forever, right?
But it's like, he's the only one saying it.
It's like, you're the only one calling, what are you doing?
Nobody's calling you a goat fucker, man.
We're calling you a guy who hit that kid because you're a monster.
Like, what are we doing here?
dan friesen
Well, the reason, I think in this case, it's fairly clear.
And that is because...
The reality is that these parents received harassment that included someone saying they peed on their kid's grave.
And Alex knows, deep down in his heart, he knows that he facilitated that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he knows that he profited off of what led to that.
jordan holmes
We did a whole thing.
dan friesen
He absolutely knows that he made a choice.
To promote Wolfgang Halbig, who was actively harassing these parents, and is part of the inspiration for why people would have sent them a message in a letter that says that I peed on your kid's grave.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Alex knows that, and he can't allow that part of his actual guilt to have any air to breathe.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So you create the fake accusation to defend yourself against.
Which is fun, and I hope he's happy.
jordan holmes
Okay, let me throw this out at you.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
What if Alex was in the movie The Cell starring Jennifer Lopez?
dan friesen
I don't think I've seen The Cell.
jordan holmes
Oh, you haven't?
Oh, man.
Gotta see it.
It's really good.
dan friesen
Is it about A, a prison cell, or B, a cell of a body?
Like a skin cell?
jordan holmes
What happens is Jennifer Lopez goes inside your mind as a therapist kind of thing.
And then it's a serial killer's mind.
And it's Vincent D 'Onofrio.
So it's all super cool.
And it was made by the guy who made The Fall or something.
I don't know.
I don't remember it.
But it's a great movie.
And the point is, inside of Alex's subconscious would be a series of escalating monster tropes.
That would keep you from learning about the truth of what he knows about himself psychologically.
dan friesen
That's apt.
jordan holmes
That would be a better way of going about it.
If you had seen this out, we could have had a nice conversation about it.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
It would have been great.
jordan holmes
This is now a mess.
dan friesen
I think you explained it all right, though.
I get the point that you were making.
But I should probably see that.
So, Alex, he's continuing on about this like Politico had millions of government funding, and look what happens now.
alex jones
Politico faces payroll issues amid revelations of U.S. government funding.
Oh, Politico can't make their payroll because Trump froze just U.S. aid.
And let me give you a newsflash, my friends.
That's a small piece of this.
dan friesen
So Politico had a payroll issue on February 4th, which they say was caused by a technical glitch that led to a delay.
By the morning of the 5th, when Alex is doing this show we're listening to, employees had already been paid.
But because Elon and Trump have been targeting the media, and Politico is one of the entities that they've made erroneous claims about, the dipshits on Twitter began connecting imaginary dots.
This payroll issue must be because Elon stopped their money, and now there's no money!
This is right-wing and online idiots engaging in a large-scale creative writing exercise where they're coming up with the reality that they want to impose on everyone else.
Effects happen, and then the cause is decided based on whatever the loudest voices on Twitter want it to be, and that becomes reality.
But, in the real world, USAID paid about $44,000 for subscriptions to Politico in the past two years, and it's estimated that Politico Pro subscriptions accounted for about $100 million in annual revenue, so I don't think that ending these USAID accounts would make that much of a dent in their ability to pay their payroll.
It would leave the government workers without access to an important information tool and make their jobs harder, but...
The people who are now coming into the government aren't interested in doing those jobs anyway, so it doesn't really matter.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, sometimes you do just see in real time, like, a caveman 20,000 years ago, like, doing a thing, then lightning striking and being like, that was God.
There we go.
I connect to those two things.
dan friesen
I better not do that thing anymore.
jordan holmes
Very obvious that it was God who did it because I did the thing.
Done.
We're moving on.
Everybody, don't do that thing because it's God.
And then, yeah, it's like...
You are a caveman.
What are we doing here?
dan friesen
But this is even, like, kind of more dorky.
jordan holmes
Oh, it's way more dorky.
It would be a lot cooler if there was lightning.
dan friesen
Yeah, and it's like the effect is Politico had a payroll glitch that got resolved quickly.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then the cause is your god doing something on Twitter.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
dan friesen
Talking some shit.
It's not even, like, instructive for how you should behave.
It's just background noise.
jordan holmes
In the fantasy, these people are like, oh, we're like Norse...
Viking people, we worship like Thor and Odin and shit, and then in real life, it's Elon Musk.
dan friesen
Jesus, that's sad.
The value of lightning striking and you telling yourself, God did that, I can't do the thing I was doing when lightning struck, is to protect yourself from being struck by lightning in the future.
It is a coping mechanism or something in order to gain control over your own actions and outcomes.
If you are looking at this through the same prism, Politico had a payroll issue.
And that's the lightning strike.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
I am not worried about being in that position.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah?
dan friesen
But you have to appease the god, which is Elon Musk.
It's sad.
jordan holmes
It's very sad.
Everybody should do something else with their time.
alex jones
Yep.
dan friesen
So Elon has taken over the government, and that's totally cool, because Alex loves that.
alex jones
Doge is inside the FBI.
And...
How they do it is Elon talks to all the experts, talks to all Trump people, talks to the intelligence people.
He says, all right, well, we're waiting for you to get confirmed.
Give me your top people.
And then they literally march in like an army.
And then Musk puts one of his managers in there that just stands above and is constantly reporting back.
And Musk has got like two, you know, two phone earpieces in his ear.
You know, just running around in battle joy, because this is a real war, ladies and gentlemen.
I went home at 7 o 'clock last night, and I was mad at myself, but I was cross-eyed tired, and I just said, I gotta rest.
Trump is a beast.
Elon Musk is a beast.
dan friesen
This is a fantasy version of what Elon's doing, but it's unbelievable to think that Alex could say this with a straight face.
I get that he's in favor of what Elon and Trump are doing, but based on the entire premise of his career, there's no way Alex shouldn't think that this is anti-democratic tyranny.
Like, what he's describing is so on-its-face fucking illegal and just taking over.
Like, it's a coup.
What he's describing is...
Before people are confirmed to be the heads of organizations, give me your top guys and we'll send an army in to force these agencies in line.
It's crazy.
Imagining that Alex could support that is...
It's funny.
If you replaced Musk and Trump with Soros and Obama, it becomes a little easier to understand what a sellout Alex is.
Except he's not really.
This is in line with everything he's always wanted.
The problem and the confusion comes from the fact that he spent all of those years pretending to support liberty and democracy.
The John Birch Society could hardly have dreamed of a better turn of events.
A billionaire who's deeply indebted to the government to enable the accumulation of his wealth is taking over the government and running propaganda campaigns against government spending that he doesn't like on the social media platform he owns.
The opposition party can't do anything to stop it, apparently, and the ruling party is just entirely capitulated to the billionaire who's reshaping the government in front of our eyes.
Corporate interests will reap huge benefits in terms of tax breaks and relaxed or eliminated regulations and worker protections, and everyone else is going to get fucked.
This is going to cause huge problems, but Elon owns Twitter, and I think he's kind of banking on being able to use that to divert blame onto other people for the consequences of his actions.
And, like, I just can't, I can't imagine someone who pretended to be Alex being this.
Except that none of that pretend was real.
jordan holmes
Right.
Right.
Yeah, it is an interesting thing because it feels like...
It was very obvious to me anyways, but I guess that's not how it was taught to these people in school.
But the Great Depression didn't happen in spite of the government regulating nothing and giving robber barons all of the money.
It happened because of the government not regulating anything and giving barons all of the money.
dan friesen
But here's what happens when we completely distort everyone's ideas of cause and effect.
It doesn't matter anymore.
jordan holmes
That is a good point.
Well, I'm going to say, now, just going off of recent history, this is probably going to lead to some sort of negative economic outcome.
I'm just going to throw that out there.
dan friesen
I think you're not even nearly alone in that assessment.
So Elon tweeted something.
jordan holmes
Great!
dan friesen
I think that could probably be the sub-headline of every story that Alex has.
In other news, Elon tweeted something.
jordan holmes
Here's a thing Elon tweeted about.
dan friesen
Yep.
And this one's particularly dumb.
unidentified
Uh-oh.
alex jones
Oh, Elon put out a tweet last night, and I read it on Owen's show.
Get it for me again, where he says, I bought into America hook, line, and sinker.
I believe every jingoistic piece of it, and we're going to make it real.
And in that statement, and I butchered it, because I'm teleprompter free, is everything.
Oh, we've been taught how bad America is.
Why did everybody want to come here?
Because it was the best.
House in a terrible neighborhood.
And it was the flower of the Renaissance.
And its ideas, if executed, empower us, and you've seen that.
And it's a dream, but what we dream, we can do.
Like Musk in 10 years with SpaceX.
Musk said yesterday, 12 or 12 p.m.
I love America.
I loved every bit of the jingoistic propaganda.
By the way, propaganda never means negative.
It just means ideas that propagate your ideas.
Operate you.
It just means promoting.
jordan holmes
Doing that, huh?
Wow.
alex jones
I loved every bit of jingoistic propaganda.
I believed it.
Hook, line, and sinker.
Now let's make it all real.
dan friesen
So I think that there's a misunderstanding that people have with propaganda.
Almost anything that's meant to convey a point can be described as propaganda after the fact.
But not everything is propaganda in the casual sense of the word, the way people generally mean it when they say it.
That definition is more like stuff that's designed to make a point by obscuring some aspect of reality because it's inconvenient to getting the message across.
It's generally stuff that's deceptive, and you can definitely argue that some deceptive content has been used, and it's made to further positive goals.
So you can make that distinction and argument about propaganda, but Alex is...
Kind of making a dumb point.
jordan holmes
Whatever you like.
dan friesen
The important thing here is the fact that Musk tweeted out that he bought into American jingoistic propaganda, because that is a word that has a meaning.
It's not about the U.S. being the pearl of the Renaissance or whatever dumb shit Alex can riff out.
Jingoism is inherently belligerent and militaristic.
Jingoism is aggressive, and it starts shit.
The U.S. overthrowing the Hawaiian monarchy to make it a state is jingoism.
Alex was supposed to be this big peace guy.
You know, Trump's the peace candidate.
And he's over here beating off about Elon tweeting that he loves jingoism.
When Musk says that he bought into the U.S. jingoistic propaganda, he's saying that he's an idiot who bought into colonialist ideologies.
That's what he wants to make real.
That's what he's expressing in this tweet, and what Alex is celebrating.
unidentified
Yep.
Nailed it.
dan friesen
Real sad.
Real shit.
jordan holmes
That's pathetic.
dan friesen
But, if we all just buy into it...
jordan holmes
I don't even like school spirit, man.
I don't even like it whenever a high school is like, go team.
Fuck these people.
You don't know them.
They don't live with you.
They're not following you later on in life.
I don't do school spirit, man, let alone jingoism.
dan friesen
Shit!
I mean, it's one thing to be like I bought into U.S. patriotic propaganda.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Then maybe you're thinking about hot dogs and Fourth of July fireworks.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
Picket fences and what have you.
jordan holmes
The Statue of fucking Liberty and shit.
dan friesen
U.S. jingoistic propaganda is like, it's a different sort of thing that he's signaling to.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he's either, he means it that way, or he's too stupid to understand what his messaging is.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
In a very dangerous way.
But if we buy into it.
jordan holmes
I feel like people have watched Starship Troopers wrong.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
jordan holmes
That's mainly what I'm feeling right now.
dan friesen
I know Alex has.
jordan holmes
I know he has for 100.
dan friesen
It's interesting you bring up Starship Troopers, because that's in space, right?
jordan holmes
It is in space.
dan friesen
Now, if we all...
jordan holmes
It's not all in space.
Or, in another way, everything is all in space.
dan friesen
That's true.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
dan friesen
Non-Earth space.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
There is...
If we all buy in...
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
...to Musk's fantasies about how the world should be run...
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
...guess what happens in 10 years?
jordan holmes
I don't know.
I would like to know more.
dan friesen
Okay.
Let me just give you a little tease.
Moon vacations.
jordan holmes
Now I'm in!
alex jones
If we just cut off the parasites and the saboteurs that use crisis for control, we will have unlimited resources, unlimited energy.
We'll be interplanetary like that.
If everybody got on board, an average middle-class family...
In 10 years, we'll be able to go do a cruise around the moon and go spend a couple days at a moon base.
They've got all these cancer cures.
They've already got all of it, folks.
And I can tell you, take one look at Trump, he's on it.
They had brain boosters that are viral 30 years ago.
Oh, viruses are amazing.
Remember the Bourne?
jordan holmes
Don't.
alex jones
The third Bourne movie for Fourth Bourne, I forget what it was, where they give them a virus that goes in and reconturs the brain and it super advances your intelligence and also your physical abilities?
They have that.
The problem is it kills a percentage of people that do it.
jordan holmes
That is a problem.
alex jones
The point is, ladies and gentlemen, is that fabulous things can happen.
dan friesen
This fucking idiot thinks that middle class people are going to have moon vacations.
Like, no one can afford housing, but we're going to have vacations on the moon.
Are you kidding?
Come on, with this utopian-ass bullshit.
He complains about how, like, Obama...
Talking about hope is some kind of brainwashing with expectations of, oh, I promise you food and you'll fall in line with me.
He's saying fall in line with Elon Musk and you'll vacation on the moon if you're middle class.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Fucking crazy.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It feels like the pyramids, right?
Okay?
But at least, this is what I would think, if I'm an Egyptian, I'm thinking, well, at least the pharaoh...
Has the decency to say that we're all gonna spend our lives building this thing.
Just so he can feel good forever.
dan friesen
Just so he can vacation on the moon.
jordan holmes
We're up front about this, right?
He didn't have the balls to be like, hey, no, we make this one and then everybody will have a pyramid.
Fuck you, Pharaoh.
dan friesen
We'll all have pyramids.
jordan holmes
Fuck you.
dan friesen
Great.
jordan holmes
You know we won't.
dan friesen
Yeah.
This is pathetic on Alex's part.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But I'm glad to see that he studied up on science by watching the third or fourth Bourne movie.
One of them.
I'm not sure which.
Seems to me like if they have all this magic shit, like, why didn't Biden use any of it?
How could Biden have had that debate performance if they've got super Jason Bourne viruses?
Why is George Soros getting super old?
I guess it's probably because it kills a bunch of people who take it, so they just aren't as brave as Trump.
But then, if Trump dies, is Alex going to entertain magic Jason Bourne virus as a potential cause?
This shit is stupid.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Okay.
Here's what I've got for you.
Alright?
Here's what I'm pitching.
If I'm Alex.
Alright?
Trump's dead.
Oh no!
Surprise!
We have all this technology.
Downloaded his brain.
Uploaded it into a different guy.
That guy's now Donald Trump.
And we just...
Everybody just moves on.
Doesn't matter if it's true or not.
dan friesen
Anthony Atamanik?
jordan holmes
Yeah, we've set it up so enough people will believe it.
Just go.
It doesn't matter if it's real or not.
Anybody could be anybody.
dan friesen
I mean, if Alex is gonna...
Try and pass off moon vacations and Jason Bourne.
jordan holmes
Right?
dan friesen
Why not?
Who gives a shit?
Yeah, nothing matters.
Nothing has to be connected to reality.
jordan holmes
We do not need to worry about whether or not we can download famous people's brains into an AI.
We can just say we did, and if there's Alex and his whole cronies with their full throats behind it, it's true!
dan friesen
It's as good as true.
unidentified
Crazy.
dan friesen
So I think that that also illustrates a really, like when I was talking earlier about how people are, you know, they try to...
Take concepts and illustrate them through movies to make them more relatable.
This is what Alex does.
He takes movies and then pretends they're real.
He's not making a concept more understandable to you.
He's pretending movies are real.
jordan holmes
Even if he doesn't know what movie he's talking about.
dan friesen
It's one of those two.
jordan holmes
Perhaps especially if he doesn't know it.
dan friesen
It's not the second one.
Was Matt Damon the one in it?
Was he in it?
jordan holmes
No, it wasn't the Jason...
No, John...
No.
unidentified
Renner?
jordan holmes
Renner.
Jeremy Renner.
That's it.
No, it wasn't that one.
Could be any of the board movies.
dan friesen
Oh, well.
We'll probably never know.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Until we get these brain viruses.
So anyway, we're like Atlantis and shit.
jordan holmes
Sounds true.
dan friesen
I'm in.
alex jones
And it doesn't mean there's not going to be big obstacles in the future, and this power is dangerous.
We have Promethean fire.
That's not just a Greek legend.
This is it.
We are the new Atlantis.
Whether Atlantis existed or not, we are Atlantis.
Look around you.
Fish people.
There's been other advanced human civilizations which blew each other up before.
And this time, we don't really want to do that, do we?
dan friesen
So...
alex jones
That's where we are, and there are people that are scared of the Atlantean moment and saying we will blow ourselves up, so they want to bring in, cull everybody, suppress technology except for a very tiny elite, and that'll never work.
That's probably what caused the last war that blew everything.
jordan holmes
Probably.
unidentified
Now, I couldn't learn about it.
alex jones
Laissez-faire.
Open the floodgates.
Let's go.
Let's go, let's go, let's go, like Elvis says.
A little less talk, a little more action.
Come on, baby, let's go, let's go.
Grab your coat and let's start walking.
Little less talk, a little more action.
Come on, come on, come on, come on, come on.
Come on, come on, come on, come on, come on.
Come on, come on, come on, come on.
Come on, come on, come on, come on.
I think Elvis does it better.
Yep.
dan friesen
For sure.
Fun fact, that song's about Atlantis.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
Yeah, and how they could have avoided blowing themselves up if they just went laissez-faire.
jordan holmes
I didn't know Elvis was that deep in his songwriting.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
When he was doing Blue Hawaii, when he was on that movie, he started to learn about islands and stuff.
jordan holmes
I've always been like, oh, I think his lyrics are very surface level.
It feels very easy to understand, but now that I'm seeing there's a whole Atlantis undertone, I hadn't even considered that.
dan friesen
And instructions on how to avoid the next, like, world-destroying war.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah.
I mean, if I was going to keep those instructions anywhere, I would keep them in Elvis' lyrics.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Obviously.
dan friesen
You Ain't Nothing But a Hound Dog is actually about Julius Caesar.
jordan holmes
Holy shit.
unidentified
This is game-changing.
dan friesen
So this is just stupid.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there's really nothing else to say to that.
dan friesen
I find myself periodically just wanting to yell, shut up!
Shut up!
So dumb.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So we get back to some real world stuff as opposed to fantasies about moon vacations in Atlantis.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And it has to do with more of these things that Musk is uncovering.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Now, look at this.
Can someone explain to me why the Department of Defense provided...
Look at that number.
unidentified
Look at that number.
alex jones
$9,147,000 to Reuters for active social engineering defense.
A-E-A-S-E-D.
Active social engineering defense.
Large-scale social deception.
unidentified
LSD.
alex jones
Look at that document they just released.
Now, I didn't even know about these terms.
I mean, I know about a lot of them, but we're learning some very nice new terms.
Active Social Engineering Defense.
That's what they call the Department of War, Department of Defense.
Every day, so the name changed.
And Father of Modern Propaganda, look.
Active Social Engineering Defense.
A-S-E-D.
I've always told you it's social engineering, weaponized social engineering.
And then, look.
Large-scale social...
Deception.
dan friesen
Alex is just cold reading a tweet and reacting to it.
Like, he doesn't know anything about this story, including the fact that he's covered it already on his show.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
He doesn't know what's breaking news because all he's doing is reading tweets and then ranting about them.
On a very basic level, he doesn't even understand what information he's covered in the past or hasn't.
This is all just noise.
He's just getting stimulus in the form of these tweets that someone printed out and put in front of him, and he's reacting.
That's it.
jordan holmes
I feel like if I had one instant thing I could do.
Like, instantly everything changes.
It would be any question that begins with, could somebody please explain to me, would immediately be answered with, yes.
Somebody can.
The problem is not that somebody can't explain it to you.
It is that you do not give a fuck.
So shut up.
dan friesen
And you're dishonest.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
In the way you're...
jordan holmes
Can somebody please explain?
Yes, they had to.
That's why it's on a piece of paper with an explanation for why they could do it.
There was a check written.
Somebody went to somebody else.
There was a proposal written out.
Then they had to go up to their boss.
And that guy was like, I don't know if we have enough money this year.
And the other guy was like, no, we should cut this program so we can afford to do...
Yes, someone can explain to you why that money is there.
dan friesen
Right.
And I think that maybe we should reorganize the world in such a way that people actually can separate who wants an explanation from who's playing, I'm just asking questions, games.
Because those people are really toxic.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
So, Alex has been talking on this episode about Al Green putting out impeachment against Trump.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
And it's kind of funny, because if you pay attention to this clip, you will see very clearly that Alex did not know why Al Green had suggested impeachment.
And when he realizes he is no longer interested.
jordan holmes
Uh-oh.
alex jones
Just giant developments everywhere.
This reportedly has already been done, but we haven't seen it yet.
We're checking.
Texas Democrat to bring first articles of impeachment of Trump's second term.
He's done this many times, but this is the latest in this administration.
Democrat Rat, Representative Al Green of Texas, said today that he has just brought articles of impeachment against Donald Trump over the alleged threat.
Of ethnic cleansing in Gaza.
On Tuesday, Trump said during a news conference with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, the United States wants to take over the Gaza Strip, drawing backlash from some lawmakers and praise from others.
The movement to impeach the president has begun.
I raise the announcement that I will bring articles of impeachment against the president for the dastardly deeds proposed and dastardly deeds done.
Green said Wednesday, all Trump did was propose it.
dan friesen
So you can definitely tell that Alex had no idea why Green proposed impeachment before he started reading that.
Alex is not ready to defend Trump saying that the U.S. should take over the Gaza Strip, and you can tell because the best he's got in terms of defending ethnic cleansing is calling it, quote, paying them to move somewhere nice.
Alex doesn't care about the Palestinian people at all.
And any attempt to pretend to care about this issue previously was mostly based in not wanting to risk losing the deeply anti-Semitic ends of Trump's base before the 2024 election.
He wouldn't care if Israel killed and displaced every Palestinian person.
He does not give a shit at all.
And you can, like, what I'm saying, like, he didn't know why this impeachment was suggested before starting that.
It's so clear if you listen to just the rest of how it goes.
alex jones
During Trump's first term, 2017-2019, Green, who represented the Houston area, unsuccessfully attempted to impeach the president on three separate occasions.
So, they are beyond scared.
Look, I know our audience knows they're lying.
You know the law.
But I want to go over it some here and I want to play some of the clips.
Of the unprecedented hoaxing that is going on right now by Chuckie Schumer, Pocahontas, Hakeem Jeffries, all of them.
They're all over corporate news.
They're all over press conferences saying he's in your private info.
He's going to give it to the Chinese hackers.
People aren't getting their Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid.
All of that's a lie.
You're not going to get those payments if we go bankrupt, which we already are.
We have to shut this down, grow the economy, or we're screwed.
And that starts with cutting energy prices by half within one year, and Trump can do it.
He did it before.
dan friesen
So you can tell that Alex is eager to go on to another subject.
He just moves right along.
He thought that the Green impeachment was going to be about something fun that he could yell about, but as soon as he realized that it was about Gaza, he bailed.
There's a lot of window dressing on his next point, but the thing Alex is trying to argue is that the Dems are lying when they say that Elon's meddling will affect their Social Security payments.
One of the benefits to us being a little bit in the future is we know that Alex is very much wrong.
He's entirely wrong about the Democrats lying about this.
An 82-year-old man in Seattle named Ned Johnson was erroneously declared dead, which led to him losing his Social Security benefits.
This was in the context of Elon gaining access to Social Security records and Medicare data and making a big deal out of how many dead people are receiving benefits.
This is a guy who was alive and receiving benefits, but could easily have been accidentally seen as a case where someone was scamming the system and shut off from the things they need.
This is one person, but his case illustrates something that could happen and might very well be happening to a lot of people.
Beyond that, the funding cuts that Trump and Elon are pushing have led to shrinking of the workforce, which necessarily means less Social Security reps and offices to serve the people who rely on it to survive and have paid into it their entire careers.
Doge aimed to close 47 Social Security offices, justifying it by saying that hearings that were done there, like they were in-person hearings, and these can just be done virtually.
Simultaneously, Trump's administration has created new anti-fraud rules that require you to apply for benefits in person and do things like change your direct deposit information in person as well.
If you want to make these changes, you've got to go in.
It's almost like they're trying to destroy this thing by making it impossible to use.
Social Security is an incredibly powerful and beloved government program that keeps countless retired people out of poverty.
Everyone knows that it's politically toxic to touch it because it works and it gets rid of a lot of poverty and getting rid of it would kill a ton of people.
That's why there's been a bit of mixed messaging from Trump on the issue.
He's a political figure and needs to get voted into office, so he's sworn that they weren't going to take Social Security.
Yeah.
a huge Ponzi scheme and he wants to destroy it.
The administration is incoherent because Trump still kind of needs to be liked as that figure and Elon doesn't.
Yeah.
unidentified
And so you get this.
dan friesen
And the true face is Elon.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, the problem, I guess, would be that, you know, naturally the people who are most going to be affected by Social Security are also a majority of the people who voted for Trump.
And it's just not going to bounce back on him because they have complete control over what those people think.
dan friesen
Well, yeah.
And I think that to the extent that it is going to bounce back, it'll be...
Yeah.
any bounce back or consequences in terms of political capital for the GOP.
And that is really, really sad because people are going to be severely hurt by it.
Between the people who are directly hurt by these cuts and making these things more unaccessible and their children who may need to take on new financial burdens in order to help keep their parents alive, it's just a load of shit.
And they're doing this willingly and knowingly.
They know exactly what they're doing.
But you can see there how much Alex is just like, whoops.
It moves along.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
I wouldn't want to talk about it.
dan friesen
I feel like, you know, he had made a big deal of it earlier in the episode with no context, just that Green had announced some impeachment thing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And, like, he screams about all the attempts to impeach Trump.
This is just like, oop, we're moving along.
jordan holmes
Let's just, let's leave this in the rear view.
dan friesen
It's notable.
jordan holmes
As long as people stop talking about it, maybe it'll go away.
dan friesen
So, Alex, I mean, like, this show, like, legit, is just cold-reading tweets.
alex jones
Elon Musk just posted this, and it's right here in the federal documents they've been releasing this, just to the public.
Could someone explain to me why the Department of Defense provided $9,147,000-plus to Reuters for active social engineering defense, ASED, and large-scale social deception, LSD?
That's how...
In the grants, at usspending.gov, Department of Defense, Thompson Reuters Special Services, that's MI6.
You can look it up.
Remember the $300 million targeting Musk last year from the Biden administration?
A lot of this isn't even hidden.
And you can read all about it right here.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
About how to brainwash the public under social engineering, defense system, electro, electronics communication, North American industry classification system, active social engineering, defense, large-scale social...
Deception.
Zoom in on that.
Look at that.
Just look.
dan friesen
Alex is just reading tweets that Elon's posting, and I think if you listen to that, you don't have any additional information.
You don't understand what any of this is about.
You just know that Elon tweeted something, and there's a bunch of these words in there that sound kind of scary.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
Large-scale deception.
Ooh, scary, scary stuff.
So also, like you pointed out...
Thomas& Reuters has a company called TRSS that they run that offers software and information services.
In 2018, when Trump was in office, the government offered up a contract that involved preventing large-scale social manipulation online, including through cyber attacks.
The contract was competitive and TRSS won the contract and served as the testers on a defensive platform.
Alex and his ilk are pretending that this is about Reuters, the news service, being paid to engage in social manipulation and engineering, but that's because they're malicious and stupid.
And Musk gives up the game when he says, can anyone tell me why this money was spent?
When he does that, because it's transparently dishonest.
He's playing the same game that folks like Alex have for years where you pretend to ask questions when in reality you have a very firm answer that you're pushing and again this goes back to the like the ways that these people do make sense together yeah they play similar games yeah uh even if the boards they're on are very different yeah and it's predicated almost in Mm-hmm.
It's predatory.
jordan holmes
The idea of Elon Musk saying, can somebody tell me why this money was spent without somebody else going, I will hit you in the face for all the things that you have spent money on, you waste of humanity.
Right.
unidentified
What are you fucking...
jordan holmes
Can somebody tell me why there's a hole underneath New Yorker?
dan friesen
Mm-hmm.
I'm going to workshop.
And just sort of snowball this on Twitter with a bunch of random people coming up with angry...
jordan holmes
Hey, I'm trying to get a mob coming together.
Anybody want in on?
dan friesen
Yeah.
There's no benefit that is brought to anything.
There's no further understanding.
And there will be no correction when it's like, oh, here's what happened here.
Oh, thanks.
Someone explained it to me.
jordan holmes
Some well-meaning person wasted their life spending time explaining to you a thing that you don't want to know.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's incitement.
Without owning the incitement.
It's cowardly incitement.
Hiding behind the mask of curiosity.
Can somebody just get to the bottom of this?
Fuck you.
So anyway, Reuters has some payroll issues.
Lightning strikes.
alex jones
Let's see that.
In function here.
unidentified
Oh, look right here.
alex jones
Politico faces payroll issues amid revelations of U.S. government funding.
That's today.
And they're funding the BBC with your tax money secretly.
And they can't make payroll.
Staff at Politico did not get paid for their last pay period.
The company just sent several emails, employees saying it believes there was a financial error and is looking into how to fix the issue.
And that's the theft they're talking about must, cutting off all this illegal crap, because the president has that executive power when he believes it's fraud, and now they're going to try to defend, in congressional hearings, you know we're coming, that Trump's cut off the money to carry out, quote, active social engineering defense and large-scale social deception.
unidentified
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
dan friesen
He's just making shit up.
He's just making shit up.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's absurd.
dan friesen
And you start to notice, obviously, like, if you watch enough of his shows, he kind of is just doing laps.
You know, like you hit these same tweets kind of in a cyclical fashion.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that's because he's got nothing else.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it feels so much like when I was working the graveyard shift at a hotel every morning at, like, the 4 a.m. hour.
ESPN would show the old Mike and Mike radio show on TV, because whatever.
It was the early thousands.
We did that back then.
And it would have just, like, the list of topics that was a circle.
Every hour they would go through the same, like, hey, by the way, last hour we talked about this, but this hour it's like, how's fucking Kevin Euclid doing this year, you know?
And it was like, it was just a rotation.
It was the same thing over and over and over and over again.
dan friesen
That sounds insufferable.
jordan holmes
They had to fill time.
dan friesen
Yeah, but at least they were honest about it, like, by showing the loop.
As opposed to Alex, who pretends that these are all new stories.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely!
Like, they just had it out there, so it's like, hey, by the way, I don't give a shit about NASCAR right now.
I'll come back in five minutes, you know?
Like, I don't need to hear him read a tweet about NASCAR.
It's almost like more, it's worse because it's obvious about what it's doing.
And at the same time, it's better because it's letting you know how to plan your time, you know?
dan friesen
So, I guess we have moon vacations coming up.
We've got all this.
As long as we just submit to...
Elon Musk gutting out and reforming the government to exactly what we want.
Hooray, we're the new Atlantis.
A little bit later on the show, Alex has a guest.
jordan holmes
What are we going to do on the moon?
dan friesen
I couldn't decide, like, in that moment, I couldn't decide whether to play the role of...
Like, really mean response of, like, you do anything you want on the moon.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Or just be like, you walk on it?
I couldn't figure out which role to play, and instead I just laughed.
jordan holmes
Like, has it...
dan friesen
You don't of course could do anything.
jordan holmes
Well, but I mean, it would take longer than ten years to build something for people to do touristly on the moon.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
Yep.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Also, like, I guess, you know, it's just being there.
jordan holmes
No!
It's not!
It is an empty rock in space.
dan friesen
No, but I'm saying that if you took a vacation to the moon, just being there would be enough.
Because you're on the fucking moon.
jordan holmes
I don't know if that's true anymore.
dan friesen
I think that's true for a lot of people.
Because I was thinking about it.
I'm like, you know what would take almost no time to make on the moon?
A swing set.
And I'll go do a little swing set on the moon.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Alright.
This is an interesting test.
Is this a gravity-based test or, like, a space-based test?
Like, nobody's getting in my way while I build a swing set.
dan friesen
I just think it's, like, on a construction level, it's pretty simple.
jordan holmes
It's lighter.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Pretty easy to set up.
Sure.
And I think it doesn't rely on increased difficulties.
Like, a basketball hoop would be really easy to set up on the moon.
But then using it would be hard.
jordan holmes
Ooh, do you know what else you could do on the moon with the swing set?
dan friesen
What could you do?
jordan holmes
Cold welding.
Because there's no...
dan friesen
While you're swinging?
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
What happens is if you've got two pieces of the same metal and they touch in space, they immediately become one.
It's cold welding.
Because it has something to do with atoms and shit.
dan friesen
I think that was in the third Jason Bourne movie.
jordan holmes
It does sound like that's true.
It does sound like that was a...
Was it Moonraker?
The original novel, though, before they'd gone to space.
dan friesen
That was all the globalist plans.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
So anyway, Alex has a guest on the show.
He should stop having this dude on.
jordan holmes
Uh-oh.
alex jones
Victor Boot is a Russian businessman.
unidentified
Great.
alex jones
He was arrested by the DEA, staying in operation famously in Bangkok 2008.
He was illegally transferred to the New York City Metropolitan Correctional Center November 2010, went on trial, and was sentenced 25 years.
He spent 10 years in the infamous CMU unit of the United States Penitentiary, Marion.
In December 2022, he was exchanged for prisoner swap with Brittany Greiner.
He is now a deputy in the regional legislature, a member of the High Council LDPR party.
And I wanted to get his Russian perspective.
He's also spent the last few weeks on the war front in Western Russia and in Ukraine, which is Russia, and until Lenin gave it away.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
How about it?
Ladies and gentlemen.
alex jones
So he can start with a review on what he sees here in America.
Our second American revolution is in full swing, baby.
And we're winning.
Or he can start with the war.
He's got the floor.
Victor, it's good to see you, my friend.
Hey, Trump survived.
He got in.
He's delivering, in my view.
I get chills at the speed of this.
This is incredible.
But then I want to think, oh, but what are the bad guys going to do?
And I get really concerned.
So you can start wherever you like.
Thanks for joining us.
unidentified
Thank you.
You're absolutely right.
It's not only looks, but it sounds like revolution.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's a revolution!
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
So Alex is once again interviewing the merchant of death, former arms dealer Victor Boot.
Like, this is crazy.
This is, like, I think that if you're a peace guy, like Alex likes to pretend to be, the only interview you can have with this guy is incredibly confrontational.
jordan holmes
It would have to be.
dan friesen
But instead, it's just kissing his ass and talking about how Western Ukraine is actually secretly Russia.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
Uh, cool, man.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's real cool.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Incidentally, at the end of last year, it came out that Boot was back in the weapons business.
jordan holmes
How about that?
dan friesen
He was brokering deals with the Houthis in Yemen.
The Wall Street Journal reported that he sold about $10 million worth of small arms to the Houthis with what appears to be the approval of Moscow.
jordan holmes
Well, it would have to be.
dan friesen
So that's interesting, because just the other day, as we're recording this, Trump carried out a large-scale attack on Yemen meant to take out the Houthis.
jordan holmes
Weird.
dan friesen
Trump said, quote, they will be completely annihilated.
So I just don't understand where anyone's head is at.
Alex is supporting Trump, who's the peace candidate, who's bombing Yemen in order to fight the Houthis, who the guy who Alex is interviewing as a really cool guy is selling arms to.
Huh.
What would Alex think about that in the past?
What would 2001 Alex say?
jordan holmes
That's an interesting question.
dan friesen
He wouldn't love it.
jordan holmes
Probably not.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Probably not.
I have another question for you.
And this is a question that has just occurred to me.
Is it possible that Victor Boot is very good at the act of selling weapons?
As, like, a salesman.
You know, some people are good at selling.
dan friesen
You kind of have to be, if you're in his position, probably.
jordan holmes
Right.
Or is it that there are so few people who are just willing to straight out and out be a weapons dealer that, like, people are already looking for weapons and you've got weapons.
You know what I'm saying?
dan friesen
Yeah, that's kind of a little bit where my head goes.
I think weapons largely sell themselves.
jordan holmes
That's what I...
I was thinking, they need weapons, they have weapons, you just need a guy in between who doesn't need to be like, hey, how can I get you into an extra set of weapons today?
dan friesen
No, but I think whatever those used car dealer traits that are used to move cars onto people, I think they're used to not die.
Right!
jordan holmes
Upselling!
Upselling to life!
dan friesen
In the arms dealer business, you have to use that charisma in order to survive.
Because you're dealing with some shady fucking people.
jordan holmes
At the end of this, I'm going to leave this room.
That's my sale right here.
I live at the end of this conversation and I'm not shot in the head by my own weapons.
dan friesen
Right.
And I think a lot of that might come down to you're also a real bad dude.
jordan holmes
Probably a real bad dude.
dan friesen
Who scares the other people who sell weapons.
jordan holmes
Because you sell weapons!
dan friesen
Maybe to the point where they make a movie about you starring Nicolas Cage called Lord of War.
jordan holmes
Sure, that does make sense.
That does make sense.
Very movie-like.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
To broker weapons.
dan friesen
Such bullshit.
Just such bullshit.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I just can't even believe that Alex can look himself in the mirror when he's become this.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's sad.
It's shameful.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, we'll see what he's up to later.
But I don't care about him interviewing a fucking arms dealer.
jordan holmes
See, now this is the problem for me, is now I have an in on the arms dealer.
Because I remember being in sales.
I remember going to conferences where there would be all these sales people all in a room together, all just sales talking into each other about, I hit this blank number or whatever it is like that.
The idea that there would be a weapons dealer conference.
dan friesen
I don't think there is.
jordan holmes
Where like...
Guys like Victor Boone are like, dude, I cleared two billion in weapons, just generalized weapons.
dan friesen
I'm going to guess that there is not like a con of a convention.
jordan holmes
Probably not.
dan friesen
And one of the reasons is I think that there's a difference between when you're selling hearing aids and stuff.
Getting the material is legal.
It's quite legal.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
And what you're selling is quite legal.
jordan holmes
It tends to be.
dan friesen
On his side, he's got some, probably a lot of illegal shit.
jordan holmes
Gray area most of the time.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
In the same way, there's not like...
Heroin conventions.
jordan holmes
Sure.
Sure.
I imagine...
You know what?
I don't know if that's true.
dan friesen
I'm pretty confident there's not heroin conventions.
Although, if someone wants to correct me, they're welcome to let me know.
So, we'll see where things go from here, but it's not going to be good.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
Indeed we do.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Yep.
We'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I am the Mysterious Professor.
steve quayle
And now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your work.
Export Selection