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March 14, 2025 - Knowledge Fight
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#1016: February 3, 2025

In this installment, Dan and Jordan tune in to hear the pay off of Alex's big cliff-hanger, and the cliff-hanger of Dan's bright spot is resolved as well.

Participants
Main voices
a
alex jones
20:03
d
dan friesen
37:56
j
jordan holmes
16:44
Appearances
Clips
d
donald j trump
00:02
p
pastor david manning
00:02
s
steve quayle
00:02
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
It's time to pray.
donald j trump
I have great respect for knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and George.
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
Need money.
Andy in Kansas.
unidentified
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
Stop it.
Andy in Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
unidentified
Thanks for holding me.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your room.
Knowledge Fight.
alex jones
KnowledgeFight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today, buddy?
dan friesen
My bright spot today, I warned on the last episode.
jordan holmes
You did?
dan friesen
That the world, and you in particular, and everybody, honestly, I'm not trying to...
Wait, wait.
jordan holmes
The world and me and everybody.
dan friesen
And everybody.
I realized that I had put too much of a focus on you and there's no reason to.
jordan holmes
No, it does seem excessive.
dan friesen
It's a universal thing.
jordan holmes
I'm here, though.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I can't talk to the whole world.
jordan holmes
They're not here.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But everyone's not ready for what my bright spot was last episode.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Are we now?
dan friesen
We could be.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
This is dangerous.
dan friesen
It's honestly now the ball is in your court.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
To figure out what it is.
Something is not as it normally is.
jordan holmes
Is it that you have finished the buttons?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Ugh.
dan friesen
No.
Although, I should make a comment on that.
Finally got the last of the buttons out.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
It took forever because expensive.
jordan holmes
Sure.
unidentified
Annoying.
dan friesen
Yep.
Disheartening to have a bunch of them not show up places.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And I didn't know about non-machinable stamps early on in the process of doing this.
And so getting that, I think, probably helped.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
No, but that is not it.
That is not what the bright spot is.
jordan holmes
All right.
Let's see.
Oh, I don't know.
I don't know, man.
You're asking me to notice things, and that's the one thing that I'm the worst at.
dan friesen
I can give a false one while you think about what it could be.
jordan holmes
It could be anything to me.
dan friesen
There's a bakery called Loaves and Witches that's run by witches that I'll give a shout-out to.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
This is crazy.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
I don't know.
Did you get a haircut?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I'll give you a hint.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
It has something to do with the Wu-Tang Clan's first single off their Iron Flag album.
jordan holmes
Are you wearing a ring?
dan friesen
Boom!
jordan holmes
What are you doing?
dan friesen
I got a pinky ring.
jordan holmes
Why did you get a pinky ring?
dan friesen
Why not?
jordan holmes
Fair enough?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I have no arguments with you.
dan friesen
But I do think you weren't ready for that.
jordan holmes
I was not ready for a pinky ring.
dan friesen
You didn't notice.
I got a pinky ring.
jordan holmes
I mean, I didn't know that you were a British gangster in the 1930s.
But now that I've learned that, now we can move forward.
dan friesen
Well, based on my clue, it was either a pinky ring or an Uzi.
jordan holmes
One of the two.
dan friesen
Based on the Wu-Tang title.
jordan holmes
I was interested for a little bit there, to be honest, if it was a Newsy.
dan friesen
I got this pinky ring because I've never accessorized, really.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And I'm thinking maybe it's time, maybe I should, I've always, I don't judge other people for accessorizing, but I've always felt like an internal sense of like, this is fake, this is false, this isn't me.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You know, I'm adding on something for a look.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
dan friesen
Or whatever.
So the first branching out of it is this pinky ring that is FFA.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Future Farmers of America.
jordan holmes
I like it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Let me tell you something.
First off, I want to applaud you.
dan friesen
Thank you.
jordan holmes
Because the logical step, not logical, the most common step for people in your scenario.
Is earring.
And you would have looked terrible with an earring.
dan friesen
Well, I also have this weird lobe on my right ear.
jordan holmes
Oh, do you?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
See that strange little...
It looks like someone tore an earring out of my ear.
jordan holmes
Ah, okay.
dan friesen
At some point.
I have no idea why that's going on.
jordan holmes
Because did somebody tear an earring out of your ear?
dan friesen
Maybe.
Okay.
But no, I don't think I would go earring.
Not because I'm against it.
Sure.
But because pinky ring...
jordan holmes
No, no.
dan friesen
I think it's a little funnier.
jordan holmes
I don't disagree with you.
An earring is sad.
Earring has strong weekend dad vibes to it.
You know, like, oh, we just got divorced and I'm out there again.
That kind of thing.
dan friesen
This doesn't?
jordan holmes
Uh, no, that has, like, maybe you owe me hundreds of dollars kind of energy to it.
unidentified
You owe me hundreds of dollars.
jordan holmes
No, exactly.
It could go either way, British gangster in the 1930s.
dan friesen
Uh, so what's your bread spot?
jordan holmes
Did you bet on a fight recently?
Oh, yeah.
Okay, all right.
What are the bare knuckle ones?
Okay.
dan friesen
Well, not totally bare.
jordan holmes
All right.
I mean, what's funny about my bright spot is I think it's an equal affectation.
dan friesen
Well, you got that Ghostface Kill Eagle arm band thing.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
No, I'm getting my tattoo finished tomorrow.
dan friesen
Oh, fun.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
My artist, we had almost finished it.
We were a couple hours away, and then she went and had a whole baby on me.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So now I guess she kept it or it's gone, whichever it is that gives her enough time to finish my tattoo.
So I'm excited.
dan friesen
That's great.
I had, in my head, thought you'd already finished it.
So I'm glad to hear you checking it off.
jordan holmes
It's just like a few little bits of color here and there.
But just finishing it, getting it all the way done.
dan friesen
Here's the thought that I have.
jordan holmes
What's that?
dan friesen
If you are a tattoo artist and you have a baby.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Do you ever, like, consider, like, how...
jordan holmes
Do you tattoo that baby?
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
What age can you tattoo the baby?
jordan holmes
I think you tattoo the baby at any age.
dan friesen
No, because they have to be able to choose their tattoo.
They have to...
unidentified
You can't just be writing on things.
jordan holmes
I was going to write things to remember.
I was going to go full memento with it.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, if you put their name on the baby, then you can prove that it's them.
jordan holmes
That is for sure yours, too.
unidentified
Maybe a barcode.
jordan holmes
I would definitely put a barcode on it.
dan friesen
We'll get there eventually.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we'll get there.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
We're going to be talking about February 3rd.
20, 25. Alright, alright.
This episode ends on a bummer note.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
dan friesen
It's very sad.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But, much like my tease of a bright spot, we left on a cliffhanger with Alex's tease of secret information that Trump has given him.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Will it pay off?
jordan holmes
Will it pay off?
Will we even remember it?
dan friesen
We're going to, at the end of this episode, rank it from zero to pinky ring.
And we will see where it falls.
jordan holmes
I don't know which is good and which is bad.
unidentified
I don't either.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Before we get to business, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, happy 30th birthday, Jacob.
It's wild that there has not been a single day of your life where Alex Jones has not been doing what he does.
You'll be forever my bright spot in Alex's voice.
I love you.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
Thank you!
Next, cashing in my shout-out to invite Jordan to an emergency management scenario-based tabletop exercise.
Thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
I'm in.
Next, Remus, thank you for introing me to being a wonky goof that falls down political rabbit holes with you and creates PowerPoints to debunk things as well as Dan and Jordan, your gem.
Thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
Thank you!
And we are a technocrat in the mix, Jordan.
So thank you so much to Wasp's Nests.
Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Four stars.
unidentified
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
pastor david manning
Someone, someone, sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
alex jones
Daddy Shark.
Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp.
Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser little, little titty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ!
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much.
dan friesen
I really, like, before the episode, I was like, it's gonna be so obvious that I have a pinky ring on.
jordan holmes
You're talking to me!
dan friesen
No, I understand that, and that was the game that was going on in my head.
He's like, Jordan is deeply oblivious of things.
But, will he be able to pull it out in the moment?
jordan holmes
I did.
I got there in the end.
dan friesen
Eventually.
jordan holmes
It took a while.
dan friesen
I was brushing my hair aside, trying to put it right in your line of vision.
jordan holmes
I was honestly like, what is that on his hair every time you did?
And it didn't occur to me that that was the thing.
dan friesen
Yeah, never mind.
unidentified
Well...
I was like, is he okay?
dan friesen
So we'll start the show here with Alex.
And he's talking about Trump's grand strategy that he's employing in this first two weeks in office.
alex jones
So today I will, early in the hour, get a little bit more into what the Trump grand strategy really is.
I'll do it at the bottom of the hour.
Coming up in about 25 minutes.
But first, I want to talk about the big picture.
Trump's been in exactly 14 days.
14 days ago, at 12.08 Eastern, 11.08 AM, 12.08 PM East, he was inaugurated.
And in 14 days, he has way outperformed because of the people he's got helping them, Suzy Wiles and Elon Musk and many others.
And they understood that they were boldly taking on the corrupt, evil, but also collapsing neoliberal globalist world order.
And that order's done.
It'll never be reconstituted, no matter what they do.
But if Trump doesn't succeed, and if we don't relaunch the American system as an example worldwide through soft power, direct, to a great extent, the trajectory of humanity, society and civilization will break up into a bunch of feuding groups and power blocks.
And it will constitute a very dangerous global destabilization of its own.
So that's the big picture.
dan friesen
That's the big picture.
jordan holmes
That's the big picture?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
In what way is that the big picture?
dan friesen
Well, I think in essence he's talking about like a Pax Trump.
Bana.
unidentified
Right, sure.
dan friesen
You know, like, the peace through Trump.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Stability in the world is guaranteed if we control the trajectory of everybody.
And I think that's kind of like what I thought he thought the globalists wanted to do.
jordan holmes
I'm fairly certain he's pulling a god-emperor of Dune right now.
dan friesen
But it's soft power.
jordan holmes
Like, we're directing the entire future of humanity.
dan friesen
And if we don't...
jordan holmes
And if we don't, I mean, he's talking about Leto's golden path, obviously.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think that's a little unhealthy.
Also not super unpredictable that this would be his mindset.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, it does give you little bits of, like, maybe whenever people say anything, I should be like, oh, you're talking about what you think.
dan friesen
Right, especially when Alex keeps coming up with these supervillain plots, and he's like, that's what I would do if I were them.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it makes sense.
dan friesen
Probably a fucking supervillain.
jordan holmes
Now that you're them, that's what you're doing.
Yeah, it makes sense.
dan friesen
And I respect the attempt to try and dress it up with these terms like soft power and, you know, try and...
Cushion the fall a little bit.
I suppose.
I don't think it's doing the masking job that he wants to.
I think it's still pretty see-through.
jordan holmes
Do you really respect it?
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I didn't think so.
dan friesen
So, something else I don't respect is Elon dumbfuck Musk.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And me and Alex differ on that point.
jordan holmes
Oh, I can't believe it.
alex jones
Musk, in the last week, got partial control of the financial records and systems of the federal government.
Saturday morning, They had a rebellion at the Treasury Department and over the administrators that control the Treasury's payment system and records system.
So they had those people removed.
Others resigned and Musk got control a little bit before noon Eastern Time Saturday.
Since then, they have released hundreds of thousands of documents and thousands of data dumps and just pointed out a selection of the fraud and crime, and that itself is an avalanche, a tsunami, a...
dan friesen
So, I know Alex is aware of the old Stalin quote that goes like, one death is a tragedy, a million's a statistic, because he's repeated it a ton of times on his show.
He knows it.
The gist of that quote is that when you have a large number of deaths, you begin to lose the ability to see the details of each specific death, and your mind detaches from the reality that it's a ton of dead people you're thinking about.
One person's death can be grappled with as the loss of an individual, which your brain struggles to do with large groups.
This dynamic is something that Alex exploits pretty regularly for his content.
In this case, I would change that original quote to something along the lines of, one case of fraud is discussable, but a thousand is not.
If Alex were just to report on a specific case of fraud that Musk has allegedly uncovered, it would be pretty easy to debunk the case he chose, and it would threaten to collapse this whole story under its own weight.
Because when there's one example, your brain can hold onto the details as an individual case, whereas your brain just can't process the image of a thousand examples of shit that you're supposed to assess.
Alex is trying to sell you a pile of things because it's a really large pile, and that's kind of impressive on its own.
He doesn't want the audience to look closer and realize it's a pile of shit, so we'll see if he actually provides examples of this fraud that Musk has supposedly uncovered, or if it's just...
A deluge.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's just an avalanche.
jordan holmes
You know, here's what I would say, all right?
Is if the first thing that I would do to cut down on fraud and all that stuff, too much paperwork.
What are we doing with hundreds of thousands of documents?
That's too many.
That's too many.
Smaller paper.
First off, maybe post-it notes.
dan friesen
Microfiche?
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
This is the better way to go.
We need to conserve paper.
This is my main issue with Elon Musk.
dan friesen
Well, you're gonna find some problems with Alex on that because he loves printing stuff.
They know that.
jordan holmes
He really does.
Takes down a forest every day.
dan friesen
There's one thing we know about Alex.
It's that he was attacked by a poltergeist when he was younger and God chose him to fight the devil.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
If we know two things, it's that and he loves printing things.
jordan holmes
That is definitely true.
dan friesen
So let's see.
Let's see if he gets to some specifics about this fraud stuff.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
That in and of itself is irrevocably discrediting and devastating the entire globalists, not just here but worldwide, money laundering, political control system of the tax-free foundations, the NGOs, the CIA, the State Department, and their counterparts in other Western countries.
So that in and of itself is seismic, historic, And we could do 24 hours a day, non-stop, just covering what's coming out.
It's all over-the-top insane.
And we knew what was going on, but the specific receipts are even worse than we thought.
We're talking about trillions of dollars a year.
dan friesen
This is just, like, let's just look at the pile.
Look at the pile.
jordan holmes
Are there even trillions of...
dan friesen
We could do 24 hours a day about this.
Or I could just not do it in a minute.
jordan holmes
I won't even tell you.
dan friesen
I can just say shit and say, look at the pile.
jordan holmes
Right?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
No, I mean, I know the budget is like $2 trillion or something like that.
Some crazy number that I can't possibly understand, right?
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
The idea that there would be trillions every year that was outside of said $2 trillion that was going missing, that seems like too much.
dan friesen
Derivatives, secret money.
jordan holmes
What is secret money?
dan friesen
You don't know about secret money?
jordan holmes
I don't know about secret money.
unidentified
Ooh.
dan friesen
I don't know how to tell you this.
There's secret money.
jordan holmes
Wait, does it not affect inflation if you have secret money?
dan friesen
It's a different inflation.
jordan holmes
It's a different inflation.
dan friesen
They work on a different scale.
jordan holmes
Well, see, this is how they do it.
It's just too complicated for me to follow.
Of course you commit crimes whenever it's that complicated.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I think that there's also a real disconnect between, like, hey, we found government fraud.
And what you really mean is we found spending we don't like that was public and approved.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean...
unidentified
School lunch programs isn't fraud.
jordan holmes
Yeah, clearly define fraud.
dan friesen
They can't.
jordan holmes
It's not like somebody is at an office...
Like, they're not describing somebody at an office, like, faking shit and spending $2 trillion.
They're just grabbing departments and cutting them.
dan friesen
Yeah, and saying, like, oh, this is a thing that I wouldn't want to spend money on.
Fraud.
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes
You know what it is?
Too much paperwork.
dan friesen
It is.
unidentified
I'm telling you.
dan friesen
Microfiche.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So Trump is talking tariffs.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And so there's going to be counter-strikes, according to Alex.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
Trump didn't just freeze the $3 trillion in the NGO slush funds last week, and then some low-level federal judge blocked it for now.
And Musk and Trump said, that's fine.
We're already in control of the payment systems, and almost all this is totally illegal.
And so we're just blocking all these payments ourselves at the executive level.
And we're just going to expose it all to the light of day.
See how you vampires like that.
So that is a huge area we'll be hitting.
And as I speak, so much more is coming out.
You couldn't cover that in a day.
So we have that.
Then we have the big enemy counter-strikes.
That, oh, Trump's tariffs are going to cause a stock market crash and a new Great Depression.
But really, it's the corporate media and their BlackRock private central bank Rothschild owners who are desperate to stop this recovery that will then vindicate Trump and have the whole world adopt the American system again.
And there goes their neo-feudalistic, tyrannical...
You will eat the bugs, post-industrial hell.
But when you actually go in and look at what's happened, the United States gets less than 5% of its goods from Mexico, and less than 5% of its trade is with Mexico.
And Mexico has 81% of its trade with us.
And guess what?
It's the same number, 81% Canada.
And they don't let our products in.
They don't let our businesses in.
They don't let us do jack crap.
dan friesen
So the way Alex is describing Trump at the beginning of that clip seems to be basically a judge said I couldn't do what I wanted, so I took over the accounting department and then started whining on Twitter.
It doesn't come off very strong or like a noble strategy, but I do think Alex is doing the best with what he has to work with, because it's sad.
As we've seen since Trump came into office, he's an unstable and unreliable actor in terms of trade.
It's only been a few months and he's already promised giant tariffs only to walk them back when the leaders of the targeted countries make it clear that they won't just accept the tariff without imposing their own.
Three times now he's made a big show of announcing tariffs, which he would then go on to postpone or limit in some way after backlash.
This is all going to lead to chilled trade relations, less trust in the U.S. as a trade partner, and increased prices for consumer goods.
When those inevitable results come, Alex will be able to portray the consequences of Trump's actions as the globalist counterattack.
And that's what he's doing here.
He's getting ready for an explanation for bad times.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Also, what's his solution?
We take over Canada and Mexico?
dan friesen
Probably.
jordan holmes
I mean, is that...
Does he want a one...
dan friesen
Soft power.
jordan holmes
I mean, that's an interesting question.
Does he actually want a one-continent country?
dan friesen
He supported Trump's calls to make Canada a state.
So, yeah.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
I think he would.
jordan holmes
You know what?
dan friesen
He loves colonization, but also hates expansion.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
No, I say we negotiate and everybody in America's American rule.
That would get rid of this whole immigrant shit.
Solve that problem.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Done.
dan friesen
I don't think Alex wants that, but I think he would like some kind of...
jordan holmes
It feels like his version of colonialism has him subjugating a population as opposed to bringing them into the...
dan friesen
He wants to start a prison planet in El Salvador.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, but who doesn't?
dan friesen
Me?
jordan holmes
That's because you don't have the imagination for a prison planet in El Salvador.
dan friesen
I've got such a robust imagination that I've got a pinky ring.
jordan holmes
You can't even put a pinky ring in El Salvador.
I...
Actually, you could probably get by with that.
dan friesen
What about Panama, though?
jordan holmes
That's a good question.
dan friesen
A man?
A plan.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
A canal.
Panama.
jordan holmes
Is that a palindrome?
dan friesen
It is.
Much like race car.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Or able I was ere I saw Elba.
jordan holmes
That's not a good palindrome.
dan friesen
But it is one.
jordan holmes
It is one.
unidentified
That's true.
dan friesen
Alex has some thoughts about Panama.
jordan holmes
Palindromes?
dan friesen
The canal they're in.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
alex jones
So Trump said, I don't want to do these tariffs.
Open up your countries to our stuff.
And stop shipping the fentanyl and agree to put your troops on the border.
He's already gone out and deputized the Texas Guard.
He's deputizing other guards.
We got a problem.
He's saying, help us.
We'll help you.
And she says, screw you, F you, just like the Colombian president, and then he shut up within a few hours.
The Panamanian president just last week said, screw you to Trump.
Our deal is, we built it.
You're supposed to give our military ships free transit.
And give U.S. ships a discount.
Nope, you don't get that.
We're going to give China free transit and let China come in with their Belt and Road Initiative and take over the country.
Well, less than 24 hours after Trump announced these sanctions on Panama, the president, we have the video, did a national address yesterday afternoon and said, we're ending the Belt and Road Initiative.
We're in your hemisphere, Monroe Doctrine.
Monroe Doctrine.
And you can bring your ships through for free.
U.S. ships, military ships.
And what else do you want?
dan friesen
So Panama did recently announce that they wouldn't be renewing their participation in China's Belt and Road Initiative, but the exact amount that Trump's trade war has to do with that is unclear.
There's been a trend internationally of decreased interest in that initiative as investment from China into these other parts of the world has gone down.
Italy withdrew from the infrastructure agreement in 2023, and there's been some talk of other countries going that direction as well.
I understand that Alex has complained about China owning the Panama Canal for a long time, like...
way back into his early career, so it makes sense for him to celebrate the idea of China's influence waning here.
However, he really needs to read past headlines of these stories, or else he runs the risk of sounding like a real dum-dum.
China operates most of the business at the Panama Canal through a company called C.K. Hutchinson.
They run the Balboa and Cretobal terminals, which are on each side of the canal, through an entity called the Panama Ports Company.
The PPC was sold for $14 billion recently to a US consortium.
And Alex should know that that's largely funded by BlackRock, the people that he really, really hates and who are the kings of the globalists.
jordan holmes
Sounds about right.
dan friesen
Talks about Larry Fink all the fucking time.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex doesn't know any of the details of these stories, so when he reports on the Panama Canal no longer being influenced by a Chinese port company, he only sees a victory, because that's all there is on the surface.
If he dug even the slightest bit deeper, he'd have to address this story as really being about a Chinese company selling the port to the literal devil, which isn't really progress at all from his perspective.
I think this is a good illustration of the kind of information that you can get from Alex and sources like him.
He can pump you up about the feeling around a piece of news, even if the reality of that news should give you the opposite feeling.
All he has to do is, and all he can do, is decide.
distract you from any of the details in order to get you on the road that he wants.
Yeah.
unidentified
Also, to be clear, C.K. Hutchinson's co-managing director said, Yeah.
dan friesen
is purely commercial in nature and wholly unrelated to recent political news reports concerning the Panama ports.
So I don't I don't know if this is something that heavily has to do with Trump's actions or not.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
But either way, Alex is pretending that it's like G.I. Joe is taking over and not BlackRock.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, sometimes I understand the complexity of the world, but at the same time, I just go like, wait a second.
So a bunch of guys a few thousand miles away owned this thing.
unidentified
And then they just sold it to a bunch of other guys and nobody talked to the people who live there?
jordan holmes
Basically?
dan friesen
Well, I mean, I think it's in coordination with the Panama government.
jordan holmes
Sure, but I mean...
dan friesen
I'm sure there are a lot of local Panamanians who are not thrilled.
jordan holmes
We used to live in the trees.
You know what I mean?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's where I'm coming back and forward from.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I can't get over how silly Alex's show appears when you get a little bit more information.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, Blackrock's behind this.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, ironically, in a sense, him failing to follow the plan of the devil...
Bolsters the devil's claim to being in charge.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, the less good Alex is...
The less good.
The worse Alex is at following the globalist plan, the more credence to the leader of said plan being the devil, you would have to give it, right?
dan friesen
Sure, I guess.
But also, there's a possibility that Alex just sucks.
jordan holmes
There's also that possibility.
Yeah.
dan friesen
The fact that he can't figure this mystery out might not be an indication that it's a good mystery.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
He may just be a fucking idiot.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
You're not wrong.
dan friesen
So, he's also a little bit racist.
Sure.
And that comes up as Alex talks about some moves that Trump has made about South Africa.
jordan holmes
Great!
alex jones
Trump's done a lot more, too.
South Africa is going the way of Rhodesia, which then, of course, got its name changed.
First, they took the white farmer's land, and then they killed them.
jordan holmes
They took the white farmer's land!
alex jones
Zimbabwe.
jordan holmes
They took it from the white farmers.
alex jones
And it's getting really bad in South Africa.
jordan holmes
Can you imagine?
alex jones
And so Trump said, well, I'm going to put sanctions on your ass to their communist government.
Their president literally gets up and says, kill all the white people.
Well, there ain't many white people left there.
And so Trump just said, nope.
We're not putting up with that.
And again, the globalist left went in there, set it all up, exploited it, destroyed the system that was there, that we're not defending apartheid, neither was Trump.
But then you put a communist state in where the whole thing collapses, but the globalists have their military camps and their diamond mines.
And that none of the society gets any of the money, only the globalists.
The globalists want warlords in charge.
dan friesen
So that was a master class on how to not sound like someone who supports apartheid.
If you want to convincingly say that you're against apartheid, it's critical that you refer to one former apartheid state by its old name and imply that another was better off when apartheid was going before it was overthrown.
It's cool.
He sounds great.
Trump released a statement that was supposedly in response to South Africa's Expropriation Act 13, which was passed in 2024.
This act allows the government to take certain narrowly defined property in order to serve the public good.
It's kind of like eminent domain laws in the United States where the government can seize your hands.
It's not a great thing, but that kind of...
And the further issue with this particular statute is that it was specifically meant to replace the Expropriation Act 63 from 1975, which was a piece of apartheid state legislation.
The new act from 2024 was an attempt to take this bill and make it more in line with the actual constitution of South Africa.
It's impossible to understand any of this outside of a broader context, and the fact that black people in South Africa were subject to the Native Lands Act of 1913, which restricted property outside of specified reserves.
The result of this and other discriminatory legislation passed over the following decades was that a very small white minority in South Africa owned upwards of 85% of the land in the country and controlled pretty much all of the wealth.
Crazy.
unidentified
This was a radical expropriation of land in and of itself, and the ripple effects of this are what people are still dealing with today.
dan friesen
The white supremacist movement and white nationalist groups worldwide have never been happy that the states that operated with full-on white supremacy like apartheid-era South Africa and Rhodesia aren't allowed to be that anymore, so they have a habit of misrepresenting stories around the subject in a way that's meant to argue for a return to apartheid without directly saying that.
Also, it's probably important context that Elon Musk's wealth originates from his father owning multiple emerald mines in Africa, and that he grew up in South Africa during apartheid.
Musk's dad described Elon's mother's side of the family as being, quote, very fanatical in support of apartheid.
This is all very relevant context that's missing from Alex's analysis because there is no analysis.
An apartheid state run by white people that steals the land in a country, that's just freedom and the market.
While people asking for white people to give that land back, that's evil communism.
Okay, sure.
jordan holmes
I mean, I find it fascinating.
The level of, like...
Groupthink that humans are capable of engaging in, where you can say something like, they took the white farmers' land.
You know?
Like, that takes a lot of effort, a lot of years, a lot of education, a lot of reinforcement from the people around you.
And then to say it out loud where everybody can hear it and not even think twice.
Not even think twice.
They took these white farmers' Land.
dan friesen
It's to deny that history exists before a certain point.
Because it's too complicated when you do, and you're not allowed to have these...
These kind of takes that Alex has.
jordan holmes
It would be more intellectually honest for them to just be like, we took it by murdering people, so I guess it's okay if they take it by murdering us back, but that means it's okay for all of us to murder each other?
dan friesen
Might made right then, but then not anymore.
unidentified
But not anymore?
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
Now they're mean.
dan friesen
It's too complicated.
So the point is that Trump's having these victories.
Lots of victories.
jordan holmes
I don't...
Okay.
dan friesen
Yeah, a ton of them.
jordan holmes
Okay.
No, no, no.
alex jones
Trump's already having big victories.
Panama says it won't renew Belt and Road Agreement, which totally turns over their infrastructure to China and the Panama Canal.
The announcement came after a meeting with U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio, during which Rubio tackled the issue of Chinese influence over the country, and particularly the Panama Canal.
The Panamanian president made the announcement on Sunday, saying that although the agreement is not due for renewal for another two years, his administration would be looking to terminate it sooner.
We are going to study the possibility of whether it can be finished earlier or not.
I think it is due for renewal in one or two years.
Now, again, the globalists who are running China made a deal decades ago to hand over Panama to them.
Then the Chinese double-crossed the globalists.
Trump's come in and pushed the globalists aside and saying, we're going back to the American system.
That's all this is, is back to the future.
But you really don't hear a lot about this in the corporate media.
Oh no, Trump's failing.
Trump's gonna get us all screwed.
dan friesen
Would Alex be able to present this as a big victory for Trump if the audience knew that Trump and Rubio were essentially turning the Panama Canal over to a BlackRock-funded consortium?
Like, they're the big villains of the conspiracy world now that Klaus Schwab is kind of a little boring.
So this seems like a giant problem for him.
But it's not.
Because who cares?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, man.
BlackRock owns too much shit.
alex jones
True.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I mean, it's a problem.
It's a different kind of problem than Alex presents it as, but it's not a non-problem.
Nope.
unidentified
So, what do you think about eggs?
jordan holmes
I think about eggs.
dan friesen
Easter's coming up.
jordan holmes
Sure.
There's a MST3K short that talks about...
Farming eggs.
And it's very detailed.
Boy, it's amazing.
dan friesen
You milk the chickens.
jordan holmes
It's amazing what they used to make in the 1950s where they'd be like, hey, if this chicken sells more eggs, that's a good chicken.
But if it eats more food than it makes eggs, that's a bad chicken.
dan friesen
Right.
And then the narrator's like scolding a child about the chickens.
unidentified
Totally.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you idiot.
Yeah, it's amazing.
dan friesen
So egg prices.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Maybe not Trump's fault.
Maybe his fault.
Who knows?
jordan holmes
Could be.
dan friesen
But you know what's definitely not his fault is that helicopter that crashed into a plane.
jordan holmes
Is that his fault?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
I didn't think so.
dan friesen
It was DEI.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
Well, that makes sense.
alex jones
Let me give you a microcosm.
jordan holmes
Helicopters are too woke.
alex jones
Of how they're taking everything that the globalist policies did and created and...
Then trying to do a pull, fast one, a shell game, where they then suddenly go, oh no, eggs are record high and in shortage because of Trump.
Here's a short clip.
Nice to see a press secretary actually answering questions for once with real answers.
The press secretary burns reporter with a brutal reality check.
When he tries to blame the price of eggs on Trump, and this is important because this is the type of snapshot that gets Americans' attention when they try to bait and switch and say, oh, Trump's the reason since he got in, egg prices have exploded.
No, they've been growing for four years and ramping up because of the direct policies.
And, of course, they blamed Trump saying he was going to cancel DEI.
For the helicopter crash last week.
Then they wouldn't tell you who the pilot was and try to keep it secret, but it came out.
She was a Biden official who was just in ROTC a few years ago and is now commanding missions in COG.
And you saw the rest of the story.
And she's a big LGBT person or was.
Boy, no wonder they didn't want us to know about that.
dan friesen
Ah, no wonder.
Now you see the rest of the story, eh?
So there were three people in that Blackhawk helicopter at the time of the crash that Alex is talking about, and only one of them was a woman, so we know that Alex is referring to Rebecca Lobach here.
Alex says that she was a Biden official who was just in the ROTC a few years ago.
She was not a Biden official, although she was a social aid for the White House in the capacity of helping with Medal of Honor and Medal of Freedom ceremonies.
That does not make her a Biden official.
She was in ROTC when she was in college, while she was simultaneously training with the North Carolina National Guard as an active member, until she was called up to the Army, graduating in 2019 in the top 20% of her class.
Alex is saying that she was a Biden official to smear her as the enemy, and saying that she was just in the ROTC as a way of saying that she was inexperienced and she shouldn't have been in that helicopter.
Isn't it suspicious that she's in that helicopter?
Underneath it all, he's just saying this because she's a woman.
He has nothing to say about the other two dudes in that helicopter because according to Alex, they belong there.
She was just there because of DEI.
No one was trying to keep her identity secret as part of a conspiracy.
Her family had requested the military not release her name initially, which was honored while the family prepared a statement.
I'm not sure what Alex means when he says that she was a big LGBT person, but I suspect...
It's in response to her obituaries mentioning that Rebecca was a passionate victim advocate in the Army Sexual Harassment Assault Response and Prevention Program.
I don't know anything about her sexual orientation or anything, and I don't...
It's not relevant, but this is something that's brought up a bunch in her...
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Obituaries, and I think that it makes Alex mad.
jordan holmes
That makes sense.
dan friesen
Nothing but monster shit here from Alex.
Metaphorically pissing on people's graves in order to make a quick buck.
Like, this is disgusting shit.
I don't even really care that much about, like, you know, patriotism or the military or, like, show some respect for the military or anything like that.
But, like, the person who just died, you're just shitting all over them.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
There's no reason to do this.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
It's loser shit.
It's real sad.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I find it ugly.
jordan holmes
I feel like the misogynist would be like, ah, these two men, they should have manned it.
You know?
That's what you should be doing.
dan friesen
I also have no idea about the structure of these kinds of missions and stuff.
jordan holmes
Oh, I bet they're so structured.
dan friesen
She was a captain.
One of the other guys was a staff sergeant.
And the other one was a warrant officer, second class.
And I don't know what that means in terms of rank.
But I did look into it a little bit, and I know that a captain and a staff sergeant, one is a commissioned officer and the other isn't.
So it's impossible to even apples and oranges it.
You can't even compare them, really, in terms of...
Hierarchy.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know who's commanding this mission.
I don't know.
It just seems like, why are you going to do this, man?
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, it bums me out that he tries to use words to say it.
You know?
Like, he's using all of these horrible words to imply shit.
When it's like, man, just say, I don't understand.
This is their thing.
I hate women.
I don't want women in authority.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Right?
dan friesen
There was a little lady over there, and that's why this happened.
jordan holmes
And now I'm angry because a woman was in a place of authority.
dan friesen
But I'm also more mad because I know that I can't really just say that.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
Yeah, like, it feels, this is what I'm saying about, like, we used to live in the trees.
This is a monkey man who's beating his chest because there's a grown female making decisions, right?
This is a monkey man.
But also, like, you can just buy a canal.
Like, it's crazy to live in this time period.
dan friesen
It is disorienting.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, this lady, who Alex is.
Very respectful of.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
She was just there because she was a DEI hire, right?
jordan holmes
Great!
alex jones
But it's not that she's a woman.
jordan holmes
Yes, it is!
alex jones
Even she's a big LGBT promoter that they've scrubbed all her social media and her family's social media really quick that we got it.
It's that a smaller pool of women try to go be pilots.
That's just something that they're doing.
So you take a smaller pool, you lower standards.
So you can put more of these people in.
Doesn't mean there aren't fabulous women pilots or fabulous snipers.
Women are just as good of shots as men, statistically.
It's that there's less of them, and then they go and recruit women who really don't have the skills, and then they lower standards, and then you see what you get.
So they tried to blame Trump for going after DEI, even though he hadn't even put the policies in yet.
And then this lady is DEI all the way.
For folks that don't know, in five years, you don't go from ROTC to commanding COG missions over the busiest airport in the world.
I've studied COG missions and the types of people they have doing it, and they are the best of the best of the best.
Well, they aren't anymore.
dan friesen
They were white men, damn it!
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
There's no evidence for any of the stuff that Alex is saying.
He sees a woman in a position that he feels like a man should be in, and his explanation for that is that they must have lowered the standards in order to get a woman into that position because of woke.
Alex hasn't reviewed Rebecca's track record.
He knows nothing about her qualifications.
All he knows is that he's seeing a woman where he doesn't think she belongs.
So he's created an entire social narrative about why that's happening, about lower standards, all of this shit.
That's just from his head.
Pete Hegseth, noted piece of shit and Secretary of Defense, said that the helicopter was on a routine training mission involving COG, or continuity of government.
This makes some sense in that plans are in place in case of an emergency that requires senior members of government evacuating from the D.C. area.
If you're part of the military, you wouldn't want that emergency to come up and then everyone is just kind of winging it.
I don't think that it's at all suspicious that a person who graduated from military training then rose to the rank of captain would be involved in a COG-type exercise within five years.
She wasn't planning who would be the designated survivor.
She was practicing flying at night in case that was necessary in a crisis.
The only thing I actually think is kind of fucked up about this whole aspect of the story is that Hegseth publicly said that the accident happened because the helicopter was doing COG training.
He said it was part of, quote, routine annual retraining of night flights on a standard corridor.
That seems like if you're trying to protect the continuity of government, like, and the possibility of the U.S. Capitol coming under attack, it isn't the best idea to say, like, we practice using the same corridor for evacuation.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Seems like information a potential enemy might want to know and use.
That seems kind of strange.
jordan holmes
Whatever.
dan friesen
But the way Alex is covering the story, I just think is...
Disgusting.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yep, yep, yep.
That's fucking nuts.
That's just fucking nuts, man.
dan friesen
Yep.
Anyway, Trump is doing his trade war.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Victories.
jordan holmes
Boy, we can have opinions about tariffs and at the same time beat our chest like a monkey man.
Very strange!
dan friesen
Well, the monkeys had tariffs.
jordan holmes
That may be...
Have we studied monkey tariff law?
Because we've been doing English Commonwealth law, right?
That's what we keep talking about.
dan friesen
Monroe Doctrine.
jordan holmes
Also, we can just say Monroe Doctrine.
Yeah.
dan friesen
I did.
jordan holmes
That just means things.
dan friesen
Did you see how my posture changed?
jordan holmes
I saw it.
unidentified
You said Monroe Doctrine, and I was like, whoa, shit just got real.
dan friesen
My back straightened.
jordan holmes
The man just said Monroe Doctrine.
Now he's cited something.
dan friesen
There can be no questions.
jordan holmes
Okay, fair enough.
dan friesen
I have not seen all of the new Planet of the Apes.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Did they get into tariffs in any of those?
jordan holmes
Man, that would be such an interesting way for that franchise to go.
To really go the full Phantom Menace.
Now this is about trade disputes.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah, why not?
dan friesen
Well, I think because they want to make a compelling, interesting movie to watch.
jordan holmes
Oh, well, then what are you saying about Phantom Menace?
dan friesen
That it's not good.
So Alex talks a little bit about the headlines covering Trump's trade war.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
There's hundreds of these articles I see every day.
Trump launches a baffling trade war against Canada and Mexico.
Yeah, I mean, it's totally one-sided.
They won't let our goods in, particularly Canada.
Won't even let U.S. banks operate there.
But then we're wide open to them.
Same thing with Mexico.
Very protectionist.
And then all Trump wants is them to stop letting fentanyl pour in and let them manufacture it there.
I mean, Trudeau lets them manufacture it, lets people use it up there.
He's super unpopular.
And so the media is just demonizing Trump like he's crazy.
It makes no sense.
Why would he say we built the Panama Canal, don't give it to China?
Why would he tell the Mexican government, hey, you better put troops on your border and stop this invasion operation that they've been running with the UN, or I'm going to put tariffs on you, and then...
Oh, their president talked big, but as soon as the rubber met the road and Trump called her bluff, she rolled over.
Donald Trump says America could feel pain thanks to tariffs on Mexico, Canada, and China.
And he went on to say, yeah, it doesn't mean we won't feel something, but you've already been feeling the trade war you've been under.
Here's another one out of the Wall Street Journal.
The dumbest trade war fallout begins.
So now they tell you the economy's going to crash, hoping you buy into it, when they're the ones that already crashed the economy.
Trump's move to put tariff hikes ahead of tax cuts has spooked almost everyone.
Wall Street Journal, oh, be spooked.
Here's another one.
The Great Depression lesson about trade wars.
Lots about Great Depression.
Car prices face 3,000 increases.
Tariffs hit auto sector.
Yeah, well, you'll just buy American.
dan friesen
So Alex says that the auto industry that took a big hit, but that's fine.
You'll just buy American cars, damn it.
As it turns out, Trump ended—what he did was he exempted auto manufacturers from his tariffs.
jordan holmes
Well, that'll happen.
dan friesen
Partially because the terms of his threats would have violated the U.S.-Mexico-Canada trade agreement that Trump signed in his first term, but also because it's very clear that imposing those tariffs broadly would destroy U.S. car companies.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
Trump leads as a bully.
He makes threats, and he usually gets his way because he's a super-rich asshole who doesn't care about other people.
This is the style he's cultivated over the years as a big— And then the problem seems to magically go away.
Like, you know, it's the episode of The Apprentice, and the credits start rolling.
Everything is good.
But governing doesn't work like that.
Trump is trying to bully all these other countries with these threats of giant tariffs, and they're just saying, like, all right, we'll tariff your stuff back.
Everyone knows that the threats being made only work if the other side relents, and the other sides here aren't really relenting.
And to the extent that Alex is saying that, like, they rolled over or whatever, a lot of times it's...
Symbolic concessions and stuff they're already doing that Trump is then repackaging as a win.
This is dumb, childish shit.
U.S. banks can operate in Canada.
They're just required to follow some regulations.
jordan holmes
Then it's not really U.S. banks, now is it?
dan friesen
Alex just saw Trump tweet that U.S. banks can't operate in Canada and like a good little servant, he's repeating the master's words unquestioningly.
He's a real...
Real idiots.
jordan holmes
I mean, in a sense, they can't really operate.
dan friesen
Not U.S. style.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
U.S. banks want to go in there and really steal everybody's shit, and they're just not allowed to.
dan friesen
Well, it's the same way that Tim Hortons or A&W can operate in the U.S., but it's not the same because we allow worse ingredients.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
You get a different experience across the border.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
And banking's the same.
jordan holmes
So if I...
Am I to understand...
Here's what I think.
And I could be wrong about this.
But am I to understand that tariffs are functionally like sanctions in a sense that it's like we make the people feel like shit so they'll put pressure on their government to not do the thing?
dan friesen
I mean, I don't know how much you need to know more than that.
But yeah, I guess it's supposed to be a lot based on industry, though.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Because let's say we have, you know, America and Canada both make cars.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
We charge extra for the cars that are coming in from Canada in order to encourage the prices.
jordan holmes
People to buy American.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Totally get that.
dan friesen
That's the theory, but in essence, the way it's being used is very much like weapon.
Alex even said that it's...
Economic violence on the last episode.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's sanctions.
One person says, okay, we tax this, and then they go, fine, but you guys buy a lot of this, so we'll tax it, and then we're just going to wash, except for you're fucking with real people's lives.
You're like a bunch of children.
dan friesen
And the people who are going to be affected by it are the people who get consumer goods.
That's where the buck rolls down to.
It's not going to affect Elon Musk and Trump.
Or even Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I've always been interested in that.
That's always fascinating to me.
The governments are always like, ah, we'll get the poor people, and that'll change things.
dan friesen
But, you know, eventually, there's the promise of, like, after this hurdle, things will be better.
jordan holmes
There always seems to be.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But also, I think Alex is really, really thrown off by the headline that he read where Trump said that Americans are going to feel pain from the tariffs.
jordan holmes
Yeah?
dan friesen
That's tough to spin.
I think he gave it his best shot, and I think it didn't work.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah, the idea there is that you have to go full JFK.
You have to be like, yeah, we're going to paint it up so we can win Canada's cars.
unidentified
Turn it into a game.
dan friesen
Ask not what you can do for yourself.
Ask what you can do for your country.
jordan holmes
It makes perfect sense for us to think that that's not an incredibly insane thing to say.
dan friesen
So Alex is not smart.
We know this.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
From experience.
About a thousand or so episodes.
Of experiencing him not being smart.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And now he just comes out and says it.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
I'm not that smart.
People continue to say, how the hell does Jones know things years ahead of time?
unidentified
Do they?
alex jones
The globalist war game.
They think tank.
They talk about their plans.
It's come out in the new Doge releases of USAID and these other out-of-control agencies.
dan friesen
Look at that pile.
alex jones
With trillions a year.
jordan holmes
Out-of-control.
Trillions.
alex jones
To globalist corporations and to their operatives and to themselves.
Talking about fomenting riots anywhere in the world where somebody doesn't do what they want and overthrow governments, including ours.
That's coming up next hour.
And so John Podesta said again in the fall of 2020, before the election, in a big war game the Democrats had, and the New York Times reported on it, that they were going to have blue states secede, create a civil war of Trump, One, calling it a race war.
Now, obviously, they're going to need to kill a bunch of brown people and blame Trump.
Well, they came back again and said, if he wins this time, we're going to do it again.
And then I said, you'll have the illegal aliens protesting with the Democrats en masse.
You've got governors and mayors saying, stand up, fight back.
You've got Pritzker up in Illinois signed a law just last week.
To change the name and give new identities to illegal aliens, including felons.
You got the governor in New Jersey just came out and said, you know, we're going to house these people.
We're going to protect them.
We're going to all this crap.
That's a rebellion against federal law.
That's illegal.
That's aiding and abetting.
That's organized crime.
That's obstruction of justice.
dan friesen
It's true that Alex isn't very smart, but it's cool that he loves federal law now so much.
The rest of the nonsense that he's talking about there, it's all bullshit and it's all disconnected from reality.
We've talked about those talking points that he's hitting in the past, but that New Jersey one is new.
I don't know if you know about this one.
So the governor of New Jersey, Phil Murphy, was at a speaking engagement and he said, quote, I don't want to get into too much detail, but there's someone in our broader universe whose immigration status is not yet at the point that they're trying to get to.
We said, you know what, let's have her live at our house above our garage, and good luck to the feds trying to come in and get her.
Obviously, he was speaking at a left-leaning event with mostly college-age attendees, so he wanted to seem a bit more confrontational than he really is.
There was backlash on right-wing social media, and the story made it to Fox News, where boarders are Tom Holman threatened to investigate the governor for hiding an undocumented immigrant.
But then stuff got really weird.
Murphy began to walk back his statement, and his spokesperson said that his comments were just a hypothetical.
The woman in the story didn't really exist.
Or maybe she did.
As the New York Times reported, an aide to the governor clarified on Monday that the woman in question was in the country legally and had never lived on the Murphy family's property.
The aide did not make clear what sort of relationship, if any, the woman had with the governor or his wife.
To be clear, the headline for that story in the New York Times is, quote, a governor's bizarre comment made him a target of Trump's border czar.
The top line of that story is how weird it is that Murphy seems to have just made up this hypothetical situation to pretend that he's more defiant than he actually is.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because that's very strange.
So I'll agree with Alex on this one that this is very weird.
But if he was actually housing someone who was...
I don't think that that would be bad.
jordan holmes
This is all very weird.
dan friesen
It is.
jordan holmes
Everybody is making terrible decisions here.
First off, if you are hiding Anne Frank, do not tell people, I would hide Anne Frank!
Don't do that.
dan friesen
Right, but the hiding is not the problem.
jordan holmes
No, no, that's not weird at all.
That's not the problem.
Telling people, first off, that's a huge problem.
When you're hiding somebody, don't tell anybody.
dan friesen
Right, and then if you're not...
jordan holmes
Don't tell anybody!
dan friesen
Don't make it up that you are in order to sort of pump your chest in public.
jordan holmes
And then, you know what?
Let's do this.
If you're the media, don't go looking for Anne Frank.
What are you doing?
What are you doing?
She's hiding, man.
What are you doing?
dan friesen
Yeah, I agree with you as a general guiding principle.
In this case...
Something very strange is going on.
jordan holmes
I'm on your team.
This is all fucking idiotic.
Everybody needs to go home.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But it is yet another talking point of Alex's that just...
jordan holmes
Everybody do something else.
On this story specifically, I want every single person involved, Alex, just do something else!
dan friesen
Well, maybe you'll get your wish.
jordan holmes
I hope so.
dan friesen
Maybe Alex will start giving you a timeline of the false flags that are going to be carried out.
jordan holmes
That would be nice.
I don't like a schedule.
dan friesen
You're in luck.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
They're going to try to crash the stock market.
They're going to try to frame Trump.
Then the truck bomb mass shooting of the illegal aliens protesting that are now, as I said in the last few weeks, going to get more and more violent, more and more intense as the NGOs give them the orders and the Soros radio stations tell them to go out and be violent.
That's confirmed.
About all the key Spanish-speaking ones.
jordan holmes
Oh, come on.
alex jones
So they can hype everybody up.
Here's where ICE is.
Go get them.
Block this highway.
Do that.
And then when the military goes out, well, Trump's a dictator.
And then the state sends professional teams to kill Trump.
And Trump understands that and knows that and they're ready and we're way ahead of the enemy now.
We're not naive now.
dan friesen
This is fun storytelling.
So I guess Soros bought up all the Spanish language radio stations so he can send completely undecodable messages to the foot soldiers.
jordan holmes
It's impossible.
dan friesen
This is a stupid plan.
jordan holmes
You would have to learn Spanish to understand these.
dan friesen
And who can do that?
alex jones
Nobody!
dan friesen
So this traces back to a 2022 right-wing social media hysteria about two Spanish radio stations in Miami, which were purchased by a group called the Latino Media Network, which is not run by Soros, but has received some funding from his affiliated groups.
The big issue was WAQI, or Radio Mambi, which is an AM station that's primarily attracted a Cuban-American audience.
In Florida, the Cuban community is a fairly anti-communist and Republican-leaning group, so naturally there was outrage at the possibility of a non-right-wing-aligned radio group buying a very prominent radio station that caters to this community.
The fear was that it was an attempt to sway politics and hurt Trump's 2024 chances in Florida as well as Marco Rubio's run for Congress.
Complaints were made to the FCC, who looked into the sale and found no problem with it, and it went ahead.
To be clear, I'm opposed to big companies owning a bunch of media entities.
I think that media consolidation is largely a force of ill in the world, and that no one should own multiple radio stations or newspapers.
So I'm not in favor of Soros owning a bunch of stations.
I'm just saying that Alex is not really reporting this story accurately, and I think part of the reason he can't do that is because if he did, he'd have to talk about how his entire worldview is essentially propped up by that very same force of market consolidation.
If it weren't for the widespread ownership of radio stations all over the country by groups like Cumulus Media and Salem Radio Network, right-wing talking head shows wouldn't have had the market saturation that they did in the 80s and 90s, which is directly responsible for creating the atmosphere where shitheads like Alex can thrive.
In some ways, Alex is afraid of the idea of Soros buying up a bunch of radio stations because he knows that's what his guys did, and it's pretty effective, or it was...
In that era of time.
And I think that he knows that, and that's why you can't really...
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, it makes you despair of ever learning a lesson.
Because it feels like that whole maybe don't give all of the media to a very small group of people with all the money and then also let them own other stuff.
That feels like a lesson we've already learned.
dan friesen
It does.
jordan holmes
It feels like we've moved past that one.
dan friesen
We should have.
jordan holmes
We should have.
dan friesen
We've learned the lesson but not implemented the lesson.
jordan holmes
Because it's not like it was a new lesson.
It goes way back.
dan friesen
It does.
jordan holmes
We've got all these books where it's in there.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Books where there was, like, ten guys.
There was only, like, ten guys, and even then they were like, can't let one guy have all of this stuff.
So uncomplicated.
unidentified
Yeah.
Oh, well.
jordan holmes
What are you going to do?
dan friesen
So, I remember at the beginning of this episode, well, first of all, we're supposed to find out what Trump told Alex.
jordan holmes
I do recall that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
We haven't really talked about that.
dan friesen
Sure haven't.
No.
unidentified
But I also remember that Alex was going to give insight into the grand strategy and that His whole thing.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
So he comes back from break.
And I'm going to play this entire segment in pieces.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
But I'm going to play the whole thing.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Each clip overlaps with the next.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Because I think this is important.
jordan holmes
All right.
alex jones
I said I would get into what the Trump grand strategy is last hour.
And I got into it some, but I think it's really important to spend a few minutes on it.
Because I haven't really seen it defined by anybody properly.
I know the American system.
I've studied it.
Trump has made a lot of references to it.
You can see it's in everything he's doing.
When he commissioned the last four years expert historical societies to have his 1776 project, which I really agreed with and thought was great, he said, I intend to implement this.
And people seem to think, oh, that's 1776, that's 250 years ago, that's an old system.
No, it was the renaissance and the very best thinking that the world ever produced.
And those philosophies applied to modern times work even better than they did back then.
So it's back to the future.
It's the latest best system.
We've just been abandoning it since the end of World War II.
And then didn't just completely abandon it, became, to a great extent, the opposite of it.
dan friesen
This all means nothing.
That's just a bunch of filler words that amount to zero.
I'm curious about what Alex is trying to, like, succinctly describe as Trump's philosophy, but this just feels like a padded...
jordan holmes
Monroe Doctrine.
dan friesen
Exactly.
Like, that's nothing.
That's...
Get to it, dick.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
What is it?
What's the American system?
Renaissance.
jordan holmes
It's the American system.
dan friesen
Back to the future.
jordan holmes
It's the best thinking anybody ever came up with.
unidentified
Cool.
dan friesen
What is it?
jordan holmes
It's the best thinking.
dan friesen
All right.
Please, go on, Alex.
jordan holmes
Thinking more.
dan friesen
You have all the time you need.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
We've just been abandoning it since the end of World War II, and then didn't just completely abandon it, became, to a great extent, the opposite of it.
unidentified
But...
alex jones
Pulling out of this suicide death cult is not going to be easy.
And I saw a Babylon Bee joke piece that Elon retweeted, reposted yesterday.
And it basically said, you know, MSM begs Trump to slow down because he's exhausting them.
It's not exhausting me.
I'm frustrated that I can't fight as hard as I want to.
And that's because I don't have a big enough crew.
And I want to work 18, 20 hours a day, and I expect people can't do that all the time.
The crew's been working 12, 14, 15, 18 hours a day.
I have a lot of big, original research stories that are extremely important, and I just can't release them.
Because I'm not going to release them half-assed.
dan friesen
So this is all still saying nothing.
Like, he's supposed to be crystallizing Trump's philosophy, and so far we've got blowhard platitudes about the Renaissance, and then Alex complaining that his staff doesn't work hard enough.
This is dead air.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is nothing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
You know, I think, here's what I'm thinking, alright?
Do you remember when Leno used to do headlines?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And he would just put close-ups of typos in newspapers on the television and then would repeat them.
dan friesen
What do you think about that?
jordan holmes
And then everyone would laugh.
They would be like, ah, that's not where a T goes, that was supposed to be a P!
Right?
I feel like that's where we're at now with all headline-based humor.
Like...
I don't even know what...
Is there a joke there?
In, like, MSM bakes Trump to slow down because they're exhausted?
That feels like a reasonable headline these days, honestly.
dan friesen
Right?
But it's funny.
jordan holmes
It's not, though!
dan friesen
It's not really.
jordan holmes
It's not at all!
dan friesen
No.
Yeah, I mean...
Yeah, and there's a other layer of it that is Alex's, like his version of Jay Leno doing that, is just looking at tweets.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
dan friesen
They aren't even really headlines.
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
Because I think some of the fun of the Jay Leno bit is that no one caught this and it went to print.
jordan holmes
I guess.
dan friesen
And that has to get over that hurdle before it's funny.
See, look at these people.
Whereas anybody could have tweeted anything.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
It kind of takes away the...
Exclusivity of it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, because there was an element of elitism bashing with the headlines of like, see how smart people even make mistakes?
dan friesen
Maybe a little bit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
This is not that.
dan friesen
No, but I want to know what Trump's philosophy is.
And I feel like we've taken a hard turn into Alex not having enough money and his staff doesn't work hard enough.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And nothing really could have prepared me for the direction that this takes.
I really felt bad.
This made me really fucking sad.
jordan holmes
Oh boy.
dan friesen
In a way that's also, I'm laughing, because I hate this piece of shit, but it's also really sad.
alex jones
I have a lot of big, original research stories that are extremely important, and I just can't release them.
Because I'm not going to release them half-ass.
And...
I'm tortured.
Because our enemies are very easy to beat.
And when I get up here over the years and say we've done one of the best jobs fighting the bad guys, that doesn't mean I'm saying I've done a great job.
That scares the fucking shit out of me.
I mean, we're up against horrible, open demons that want to kill everybody.
And have a plan to incrementally cut everything off until we're to that point.
And wherever they get control of a third-world country, they outright do it.
And the fact that I've done one of the best jobs and the fact that more prominent people didn't join us in this fight is insane.
Now you've got Elon and Trump in there wrecking them, and I see the enemy coming in with their counterattack, and I see so many conservatives.
And populist and people that want to live, you know, good people, celebrating and, oh, everything's fine and we're unstoppable.
And that enthusiasm's great.
And we should be thankful.
But, I mean, they're getting ready to crash the stock market.
And they're getting ready to blow up and shoot up a bunch of illegal aliens.
So, you know, people better get their heads out of their asses and get that straight.
But, I mean, I got these federal documents.
And I'm not even going to release them.
We'll fuck it up.
Doesn't matter.
Fuck it.
I mean, seriously.
I mean, I just, I got total proof of the whole deep state.
Everything.
We'll just fucking fuck it to fucking shit.
Everything's fucked.
I'm so sick of fucking Chuckie Sherman.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
That's really depressing.
So in case you can't translate Alex's language, what he's saying is that celebrating victories doesn't make money.
Keeping the audience scared about the devil being just about to attack does.
The benefactors of the right wing are getting exactly what they wanted right now.
Public spending is under attack.
They're going to gut Social Security and Medicare.
Regulations meant to keep corporations from profiting by predatory means are going to be removed.
There's really nothing but celebrating to do if you're living in the real world of the GOP.
They profit from the destruction of the state and the empowerment of companies, not by keeping idiots terrified so they buy CMOS.
They have real power now, so it's kind of dumb to keep pretending that some shadowy group is just waiting in the wings to strike.
jordan holmes
It was us!
dan friesen
That's Alex's job, though.
And that's a big part of why the folks who were seeking power thought he was useful enough to put up with.
In case the stock market crashes, it's good to have a guy like Alex around who is screaming about how it wasn't your fault.
If there's a domestic terror attack against people defending immigrant rights, it's really useful to have a guy like Alex yelling about how a false flag was coming.
When you need him, it's good to have him around, but on the day-to-day, it's really embarrassing to act like this.
And I think that this is some of the tension in the aftermath of the inauguration.
Alex has to know that his team doesn't need him now, that they have real power to work with, and his only real value is to continue to yell that the sky is falling and that it's all the globalists' fault, so he can be used to help make a scapegoat for the consequences of what they do now when they have real power.
I feel an emptiness, and that shot out to break is grim.
Gone is the Alex who was ready to go pretend to get arrested rather than give his fingerprint at the DMV, and now here we have an Alex who has secret federal documents given to him by the president that would blow the lid off the deep state and prove all his conspiracies, but he's not going to cover it because he would just fuck it up.
He's right, in a hypothetical sense.
There isn't a big story here, but if he did have a big story...
He would fuck it up.
jordan holmes
He would fuck it up.
dan friesen
It's just wild to think that he actually knows that.
He understands how incapable he is of being a journalist.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I just fucked this up.
I'd fuck everything up.
All I could do is complain.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, it does feel like he should be living in a moment, the moment that I think I've had, where you realize I am making my own position obsolete.
That was a huge mistake, to not have negotiated a next thing.
If I am ending my own job...
dan friesen
I had that at an office where I trained my replacement, and as it was happening, I was like, this isn't gonna end well.
jordan holmes
This is not good.
This is not good.
I should just leave.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Alex should carve his own path.
This is pathetic.
And I think that there's some awareness that he has that's like...
They'll come back if they need me.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But they don't fucking need me now.
They have power.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
He has to know.
jordan holmes
What I find fascinating, right, is that, you know, like, I know a lot of people who are too poor.
But somehow we also give money to people who can't properly enjoy it.
And so you have shit like this where it's like, man, don't do this.
Don't do this.
I know so many people who could live just a super happy life on like one-tenth of what he has.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And somehow he hoards it and still can't live a happy life.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's just straight up miserable.
jordan holmes
It is insane to me.
dan friesen
And I think that's because, you know, it is the way that he's making that money that is corrupt.
Like, he's shitting on people and hurting people and exploiting that.
Like, I think that that's just a bad ecosystem, and I think the fruits of it are you're just gonna be miserable.
And I'm glad.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's earned.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
The misery is earned.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I'm very conflicted because, on the one hand, as an empathetic human being, I hear somebody who's saying stuff like...
You know, I can't report on the devil.
I have all the proof here, but I just fuck it up.
And I feel bad for that person.
Because that's, hey, keep your chin up, Alex.
That kind of thing.
You know, you don't like to see a guy in that kind of state.
But on the other hand, I fucking hate him.
And I would like him to feel like that.
jordan holmes
I mean, I'm becoming of the opinion that misery is a consequence.
And if you stay miserable, then that's on you.
So, fuck you.
There's the idea is if you're miserable, do a different thing.
dan friesen
I think in some cases that is true, but I think that not all misery is a choice.
But, fair enough.
I just couldn't, I don't know, I don't have the will to live after that.
jordan holmes
It's not great.
Like, fuck it.
dan friesen
Fuck.
jordan holmes
The other thing is, like, how many people are just gonna get bigger and not grow up?
There's a lot of those people.
dan friesen
Sure.
Sure.
jordan holmes
He's a child.
dan friesen
I feel like if I hear a clip like that, I never would have been curious about this person.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't think.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think that there's something so interesting about Alex, the guy who wouldn't give his fingerprint at the DMV.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, there's something really bold about that.
Even though it's full of shit, and he's faking all this, and it's mostly bravado, there's still something that is enticing about this character.
The guy who has proof of the devil that the president gave him, who is too whiny to fucking get to it, that's not interesting.
That is a pathetic husk of a person.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I mean, I have another clip here, but I don't even know if you need to play it.
It's just when he comes back from break, he tries to self-soothe by describing violent fantasies and then accusing that New Jersey governor of being a pedophile.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think we'll be all right.
dan friesen
But it's just interesting that that's what he can do.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, that you return to that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's his sucking his thumb.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, he has this little bit of an outburst and then is just like, ah.
The black people are going to get shot at a rally.
jordan holmes
What do you got to do to a kid to make racism sucking their thumb?
You know?
unidentified
Hmm.
jordan holmes
Like, what is it that you do to a child that later on, as an adult, they go, Ah, people that have different skin color are worse than me.
dan friesen
Unfortunately, his dad won't be on the show, so we can't find out.
jordan holmes
I do feel like there should be a study.
dan friesen
Well...
I mean, I've read some of the John Birch Society literature, and I think I have some clues.
jordan holmes
I mean, I'm sure Dr. James Dobson is somewhere involved.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So anyway, cut out here, and everyone can feel bad about Alex being a dipshit mope.
jordan holmes
Or feel great about it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Feel great about it.
dan friesen
Fuck that guy.
What a great moment.
jordan holmes
He could do anything else.
He could.
dan friesen
I just, I don't know.
jordan holmes
He could do anything.
I bet he could probably fix a car.
dan friesen
Here's what I would say.
I think if you have secret information and you can't reveal it, don't tell people you can't reveal it.
Because you look weak now.
Right?
jordan holmes
If you're hiding Anne Frank, don't tell people that she's going to be above your garage!
dan friesen
Right.
Or if you have proof of the devil's giant conspiracy, you are now...
Covering for it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You are now part of the cover-up, Alex.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Just do something else.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Go to the woods.
dan friesen
That would be nice.
jordan holmes
Just be a woods guy.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Those guys exist.
They just live out in the woods.
dan friesen
Woods guys.
jordan holmes
Be one of those guys.
dan friesen
Sure.
Yeah.
It would be good.
I mean, I also wouldn't mind doing that myself.
I'd like to go to the woods.
jordan holmes
Sure, we're all getting there.
We used to live in the trees, buddy.
dan friesen
And shall again.
Back to the future!
jordan holmes
Right?
That was when we had our best ideas.
dan friesen
So, we'll check in and see if Alex has some other better ideas later, and see if we find out what his federal documents are.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
But on a scale of zero to pinky ring, where is it?
jordan holmes
Um, I feel like we're gonna have to stay at a zero.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think so too.
Anyway, we'll be back, but until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
Indeed we do, it's knowledgefight.com.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
We'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZXClark.
I am the Mysterious Professor.
unidentified
Woo!
Yeah!
Woo!
Yeah!
Woo!
steve quayle
And now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your work.
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