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#1015: February 2, 2025

In this installment, Dan and Jordan check in to hear Alex's take on Elon Musk invading the Treasury Department and Trump using tariffs as economic violence.

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alex jones
17:08
d
dan friesen
32:50
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jordan holmes
18:31
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pastor david manning
00:02
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steve quayle
00:02
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Speaker Time Text
unidentified
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge fight.
Need money.
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
Stop it.
Andy in Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
unidentified
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today, buddy?
dan friesen
I will say right off the bat, there is a real bright spot.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And you're not ready for it.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Fair enough.
dan friesen
We're not going to talk about it right now.
jordan holmes
We can't handle the truth.
dan friesen
No.
Fair enough.
It's too big.
And may change everything forever.
jordan holmes
I always thought that was a great place to end the movie.
Like, if he was just like, you can't handle the truth, and everybody's like, I think you're right.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Game over.
And then everybody went home.
dan friesen
Yeah.
That would...
I don't know if that scene...
You know what?
Maybe that scene would be even more legendary if that was the case.
jordan holmes
That would absolutely never be forgotten by me.
dan friesen
Yeah, sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
If they were just, like, halfway through, like, this crisis...
You don't even want to solve the mystery.
You're right.
unidentified
You're right.
dan friesen
Fuck this.
I'm out.
jordan holmes
Honestly, I don't.
dan friesen
Yeah.
You make a good point.
jordan holmes
Let's go get something to eat.
What are we doing here?
dan friesen
So that'll come to pass later.
jordan holmes
We'll just ignore that.
dan friesen
You'll be made ready for that in due time.
But instead, the bright spot that I have is that last night I was thinking about it, and I realized that I had never seen the new Matrix movie.
jordan holmes
Sure, yeah.
dan friesen
I just let it slide, but I said, I'll get around to it eventually, and then I never did, and so I was like, I'll just watch that.
jordan holmes
You can.
dan friesen
And so I watched it, and I enjoyed it.
I thought it was great.
jordan holmes
I thought it was pretty good.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I was ready to be really disappointed.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because there's the pressure and just the reality of rebooting or revisiting something 20 years later.
And I thought there's no way they're going to be able to tactfully navigate that territory.
I thought they did great.
I thought it was a lot of fun.
Interesting enough.
jordan holmes
It is hard to be effusive while at the same time saying, I think they did a perfectly fine job.
You know?
Like, great job!
End of compliments.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Nailed it.
dan friesen
I thought that one of the things that I enjoyed about it was even though I know it's a Matrix movie, I still didn't know what really was real for most of it.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
I know that's a game that they're playing, and I'm out for it.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
But I still, like, I think at the end of it they could have revealed that he was having a psychotic break.
jordan holmes
Would have been fine.
dan friesen
Would have been totally fine.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Or if right before it, they were like, you can't handle the AI.
Yeah, I'll go home.
dan friesen
They told the story in the way that a number of options for conclusion would have been alright.
And that's a good story, I think.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and it was just great to see Keanu and Carrie back at it.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Just doing their thing.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Kicking.
dan friesen
Wasn't bothered by the new characters either.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
I thought the guy who did Smith was good.
jordan holmes
Neil Patrick Harris?
dan friesen
No.
He was the analyst.
jordan holmes
That's right.
unidentified
He was good, too, though.
jordan holmes
He was great.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I was surprised to see Neil Patrick Harris.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That really threw me.
dan friesen
And I was surprised that, you know, as somebody who was, like, right at a critical age when The Matrix came out, I can be a little bit snooty about that kind of stuff.
Sure.
Nothing ended up being like...
unidentified
Ah, fuck this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Nothing was like a break of a need to assert my connection to you.
jordan holmes
No, yeah.
Perfectly fine job.
dan friesen
Huzzah!
But that the movie could end.
Sure.
You can't handle the truth.
You're right, I can't.
That's the same thing of just taking a blue pill.
jordan holmes
Totally.
Yep.
That would have been a great short.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Because we would have gotten most of the movie, right?
We would have gotten him going to work, his mouth is all like...
We would have gotten him trying to fly out there and then choosing that he's not going to go.
And then he's like, oh yeah, cool, Mr. Smith, you won, no big deal.
And then we break him out, and then he's like, you can take the red pill or you can take the blue, and he just grabs the blue pill, and then movie over.
dan friesen
We never know.
jordan holmes
We never know.
We're just the end.
And everything's fine.
dan friesen
What about you?
What's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
My bright spot is tennis, my man.
Indian Wells.
dan friesen
I should have had a better response to that, but I was taking a sip of my Dr. Pepper.
unidentified
No, you're good.
jordan holmes
You're good.
Tennis.
It's good.
dan friesen
Very exciting.
jordan holmes
It's good stuff.
We've already got...
Djokovic is already out.
He's not looking great.
dan friesen
He didn't retire.
I thought there was a whole changing of the guard of these folks who have been around for a while.
jordan holmes
No, but he's very clearly on the way out.
You know what it is?
You can see it when he plays.
He doesn't care as much anymore.
dan friesen
He needs a vaccine.
jordan holmes
He needs the two of them.
He misses his greatest rivals.
dan friesen
And this gets back to the Matrix.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
It does!
It really does.
Without Agent Smith, there's no need for Neo.
dan friesen
Or without Neo and Trinity together, there's no power.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Without Rafa and Djokovic.
jordan holmes
Without the three of them pushing each other, they all kind of just look at the rest of the world and go, you're not good enough at tennis for me to care anymore.
dan friesen
But that could lead to him.
Like, really clowning on fools and being like, I need to create the next Rafa to satisfy my need.
jordan holmes
Yeah, whenever he plays like Alcarath or somebody like that, ratchets it up.
I'm the best there ever was.
Plays like that.
Just lost to some guy.
Just some guy.
dan friesen
That's hubris.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he just doesn't care.
What's the point?
Do you know how hard it is to travel around the world playing tennis?
It's really hard.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think it's probably really hard, but I think you get used to a lot of the ways that it's hard.
jordan holmes
Sure!
dan friesen
Over the course of a decades-long career.
jordan holmes
And then you're 40, and you're thinking, what the fuck am I doing?
dan friesen
He's done a lot already, too.
jordan holmes
He has.
He really has.
dan friesen
So who's looking good in this tournament?
jordan holmes
Let's see.
A lot of people are already out.
I think my money's probably on Alkaraz because Zverev is already out.
He was the top seed.
He lost right away.
There's just nobody, you know?
It's just Alkaraz.
And then Yannick Sinner, he's out of the sport for a few months because he was caught doping.
dan friesen
Oh, no.
jordan holmes
And it's a whole thing.
dan friesen
Where do you stand on doping?
jordan holmes
I'm for it.
dan friesen
See, I think a lot of people have that take.
jordan holmes
Yeah, whatever.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
What are we doing?
What are we doing?
Genuinely, I'm of the opinion that, like, fine, if you don't want to do doping, that's fine, but you also can't take, like, pills.
dan friesen
Any?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
How is a pain reducer not a performance enhancer?
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Your performance is going to suffer if you...
Are in massive pain.
dan friesen
Now let's take this out a little bit further.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Can you take, like, vitamin C?
jordan holmes
Absolutely not.
Okay, so no vitamin C. But that's my point about how doping is stupid.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Or how anti-doping is stupid.
Because eventually you just get to...
We're making an arbitrary choice where...
dan friesen
You can't eat food.
jordan holmes
You can have pain pills, but you can't have...
dan friesen
How is not being hungry a performance enhancing?
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Exactly, right?
Let people do drugs.
dan friesen
You know you get a lot of vitamins you need from the sun.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
You can't have that.
jordan holmes
We need to be in the dark.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Tennis needs to be played in pitch blackness by malnutritious, broke-down babies, essentially.
dan friesen
Also, knowing that people are watching you.
Increases your performance.
jordan holmes
Increases your performance, yeah.
dan friesen
So, like, no one can observe the people playing tennis.
jordan holmes
If it's imperfect, what we're saying is we need to be looking at a box, questioning whether or not there are even tennis players inside of it.
Schrodinger's tennis match is what you're looking for.
dan friesen
It cannot be observed, lest you meddle with...
jordan holmes
And that's pure competition, is what that is.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
That's how you handle doping.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
I agree.
So today, Jordan, we have an episode to go over.
We're going to be talking about February 2nd, 2025.
We're into February, or on Sunday.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
And Alex, I think that there's a couple of points where he actually touches on news that's happening.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
This is a break from tradition for us.
dan friesen
Not as much as I'd like it to be, but yes, a little bit of...
Oh, that's a thing.
That's a thing that's happening.
jordan holmes
All right, all right.
dan friesen
So we'll talk about this here in a minute, but first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
That's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, OSHA-compliant Hawaiian shirt.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
Thank you!
Next, I renounce the insulin-idean phasmid.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
Thank you!
Next, Mochi the Sweetie, leader of the breakaway cult of Selene, the Silver Vine Davidians.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And Technocrat.
We've got one of them in the mix.
So thank you so much, too.
Shout out to Cryptotheism on Tumblr, who introduced many of their followers to your show during the Sandy Hook trial days.
Thanks for the wreck, caretaker.
Thank you so much.
You are now a Technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
pastor david manning
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
alex jones
Daddy Shark.
Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser little titty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much.
dan friesen
So we begin this Sunday episode of Alex's show with something that shouldn't be surprising to too many people, and that is...
A celebration of stuff that Elon Musk is doing.
unidentified
It is Sunday, February 2nd, 2025.
alex jones
We are 13 days, 4 hours, 44 seconds into the new Trump administration.
And the globalist worst nightmares have come true.
I am here to report to you, and I'm getting chills right now, that Trump and Elon Musk and his people he's brought in Did not do 100% of what I thought they would do in their first two weeks.
A few days ago, I said it would be 200% on what I was expecting.
They are now at 1,000.
dan friesen
Wow.
alex jones
If I had to use a number.
I mean, the developments since yesterday, morning.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Oh, the bad guys are in a lot of trouble.
Since Elon got into all of the Treasury Department payment systems, you know that there's over $30 trillion in the last 20 years.
That's a conservative number.
Missing from different agencies.
But all of the payment histories are there.
Now, I have spent, since this started breaking yesterday afternoon, because they had a few hours in there first to start releasing snapshots.
Probably 10 hours yesterday, afternoon, and today looking at this.
Just trying to track what Musk is releasing the receipts on at Elon Musk on X is a full-time job.
Imagine he's not sleeping right now.
This is what he's known to do when he first goes into a crisis.
And he is in there with all these top accountants, all these top forensic accountants going absolutely ape.
dan friesen
So that sounds unhealthy.
You're spending 10 hours in a day looking at Elon's Twitter.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm a little confused as to why people look up to somebody who treats that as a good way of doing things.
dan friesen
Just be like, I'm not gonna sleep and tweet a bunch?
jordan holmes
Like, now that we know stuff about the human body and, like, nutrients and foods and all of those things, like, you make better decisions when you're well-fed, when you're not hungry, when you're not tired.
dan friesen
When you're doping.
jordan holmes
You know, like, you're doing good.
Like, we should look up to people who make decisions in very, very narrow circumstances, right?
dan friesen
Well, sure.
Maybe.
But also, these aren't decisions that are being made.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
These are tweets.
jordan holmes
That is fair.
dan friesen
That Alex is reflecting on.
jordan holmes
That is fair.
dan friesen
So, what's going on is a very clearly illegal and dangerous situation for Elon and his team of dipshits to have access to the government's treasury, but here we are.
Naturally, lawsuits were filed about him having access to these records, and a judge ruled that Doge could have read-only access to treasury files, and that they were limited to having a two-member team.
One of the two people on this team, you know, you got to choose the best and brightest.
Alex says there's all these types of people.
Sure.
Indian hate.
Sure.
unidentified
He resigned because it seems bad that a committed public racist was one of the two people chosen by Musk to access the treasury systems.
dan friesen
But then Musk decided he wanted to bring Elez back and posted on Twitter, quote, He will be brought back.
To err is human.
To forgive divine.
This was after J.D. Vance came out and publicly argued that this racist guy should be kept in his position, which is kind of ironic, considering that his wife's parents are from India.
Anyway, racism won the day, but even still, Musk has not posted tons of receipts of government wasteful spending.
Pretty much everything that's been posted on Twitter has either been misrepresented or stuff that's already public information that they're pretending was kept secret.
And Alex pretending like this thing where there's like...
All this billions and trillions of dollars has gone missing, but there's these records!
That's a terrible system.
If the villains were doing that...
They're stupid.
And this is stupid.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it doesn't make too much sense from anybody's point of view to have multiple sets of hidden books, which I think is what we would have to be talking about here, for them to also have secret records that were kept from the people who we already have secret records for, on top of the regular records that are public.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's too many records.
dan friesen
It is.
It would require a level of organization that is a farce.
jordan holmes
Most of them can't keep regular records.
Together.
dan friesen
A lot of that's tough.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's tough.
dan friesen
It's a full-time job.
Much like watching Elon Musk's Twitter feed.
jordan holmes
There's definitely that.
Or normalizing Indian hate.
That also apparently is a full-time job.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
So we have a plan in place, I guess, for dealing with the Treasury.
And it's just like, stop paying shit.
jordan holmes
That'll work.
dan friesen
It's a good plan.
jordan holmes
That'll work.
alex jones
Now remember, middle of last week, Trump froze three trillion.
And slush funds that Biden and got Congress to pass to put into all these NGOs and people.
So some federal judge low-level blocks it, but that'll get overturned.
But it doesn't matter.
There's more than one way to skin a cat.
You just put on leave and or fire the administrators and bureaucrats, and then you take the power they have away from making the payments.
unidentified
So...
alex jones
I'm going to try to condense this down here tonight and just give you snapshots of some of it, but this should be the number one story in the world.
It is a big story.
People are following it, but they're not realizing how big this is.
Trump is doing exactly what you would do to legally and lawfully seize control of the government in the swamp.
You want to drain the swamp, you have to first get all the command and control systems in it.
And then you have to expose the crime that was going on to burn down any responses these crooks are going to have through the corporate media.
And the corporate media is already, if you thought they were rolling over before, they are pissing themselves and rolling over, showing their bellies right now.
This morning, on the news of this, the Ukrainian dictator Zelensky rolled over and said, listen, I didn't steal the money.
We have a video of him saying it.
58% never came here.
They stole it.
Washington stole it.
The Democrats stole it.
And I'm ready for peace.
And I'll have elections.
He hasn't had elections in a year.
He set himself up as a dictator.
So, he's got the fear of God in his eyes.
He looks like he is on a bunch of drugs, cocaine or something.
I mean, I think there was probably poop in his pants.
dan friesen
That's probably.
So what Alex is describing here is very illegal, and it's counter to his longtime stated positions that he's advocated and preached over the years.
For most of his career, Alex has screamed about how Congress has the power of the purse and controls spending.
He had this position because it's what the Constitution says, and because he knew on some level that it was unlikely that he was ever going to have a real nutty tyrant win the presidency and take over the executive branch.
So you wouldn't need to advocate for the president being able to...
Sure, sure, sure.
The best option for him was within the law, and it was electing enough people into Congress to attack government spending that way.
Now Trump has come into office and he's released executive orders freezing government spending.
On one level, that sounds like a decision he can make, because, you know, you want to hear that as him stopping new spending.
It's like putting someone on a budget when there's a financial pinch that comes into place.
But the problem is that a lot of the spending that he wants to freeze is funding that's already been approved by and apportioned by Congress.
He's directly attacking Congress's power of the purse, which is something that Alex has always pretended to care about.
There are funds that were apportioned by the latest infrastructure bill, for example, that were supposed to be frozen by Trump's executive order, which is a huge problem.
This is called impoundment when a president attempts to stop funding that's already been approved by Congress and it's been litigated before through the courts and it's established that the president does not have this authority.
This is an attempt on Trump's part to essentially steal public funds that the government voted to authorize for public use because he disagrees with some or all of it and how it's being used.
It's a fundamentally undemocratic and illegal act, and I guess we can just hope that the courts don't allow it, because if Trump can just refuse to fund things that Congress approves and fire people who try to distribute those funds, there's not really much of a point for Congress to...
to exist.
And I understand being disillusioned and being like the Supreme Court's all bought and paid for.
And I think that there's some reason to have worry about that.
But in this specific narrow example, Brett Kavanaugh has been very opposed to that.
this position.
So him allowing this to stand would be in stark contrast to shit tons of stuff that he's argued in the past, which is not impossible.
jordan holmes
No, I was thinking that what they should do is just have, like, every...
Every agency should just have a judge with them at all times and a couple of lawyers, and then whenever Trump sends an order, then we can just hash it out in the office, you know?
Because otherwise, people are going to start doing stuff, and then you have to go to the court and sue it.
Like, make it all happen faster.
Everybody get in a room all the time.
dan friesen
It's like how the 24-7 championship in the WWE, they used to have, like, you have to have a ref with you.
So people just started hanging out with refs.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
Just be with a ref at all times.
There's always a battle going on.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You should always be forced to wake up in the middle of the night because Trump has decided to have a new order.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And then, bam, judge.
A couple of lawyers.
dan friesen
I don't want to live this way.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But I don't think that what you're saying is like...
Not a terrible way that we...
jordan holmes
Literally everything he says is going to have to go to court.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
It would be ridiculous not to at least try.
dan friesen
We're living in the 24-7 championship as opposed to the heavyweight championship.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
There's no reason to be like, oh, let's schedule this later.
Buddy, we're going to be here a long time if you start scheduling things.
And we're just talking about scheduling.
dan friesen
And in the meantime...
The person's going to run away with the back.
jordan holmes
Yeah, because that's how it works.
dan friesen
So Alex rocks out a little bit over some jams and then says some bullshit.
alex jones
Ladies and gentlemen, we are living in a real revolution.
The old globalist order is collapsing and burning into cinders in front of you.
The end of their system is absolutely unstoppable.
Let everybody hear it.
The heads are now rolling.
Oh, they're not gonna roll.
They're rolling.
Thank you, Jesus.
unidentified
Yes!
Some heads are gonna roll.
Listeners, you know I don't come to you with good news unless it's for you.
alex jones
Decades out of people said, why are you telling us we're behind?
Why are you telling us we're getting our ass kicked?
Why are you telling us we're in deep trouble?
Because we were!
unidentified
But we finally woke up to the enemy attack and said, We accept the challenge!
We'll be right back.
Some heads are gonna roll, roll, roll, roll.
alex jones
All right, I could do this a lot of different ways.
I could explain the strategy of Trump and why it's so absolutely genius.
I could break down the lightning speed of it.
I could chronicle what's going on, and I'm gonna try to do it all here.
But hundreds of billions of certified fraud in less than, right in about 24 hours has come out.
The federal bureaucrats at the Treasury quit.
Others refused to give over the codes to the federal Treasury database of payments going back, because they digitized them going back, over a hundred years.
And the last 30, 40, they've got detailed down to the penny, and they know exactly who got what and where.
And it is a free-for-all of crime.
dan friesen
So obviously this isn't true, but Alex is reporting on what it feels like Musk is doing based on the various misleading Twitter posts that Alex has seen about it.
He's covering the vibe of social media, as opposed to anything that's actually real.
Musk and Doge absolutely didn't uncover and report billions in criminal spending, but it really feels like it for the folks who desperately need to feel like they are, because if those people don't have that feeling, they might realize that they're supporting a tyrannical takeover of the government led by an unelected billionaire and the people that he's deciding to have access to very sensitive public information.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, it is like, to a certain extent, I don't disagree with Alex when he says you are watching things burn in front of your eyes.
I think maybe people are thinking like, oh, they'll just get rid of the globalist parts.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
It does not feel like they're interested in just the globalist parts.
dan friesen
No, it's like, you know.
There's some fun things about like, oh, they'll cut the, you know, the war.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
And they'll cut all this spending on the military.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
No, they're not.
jordan holmes
No, that's going to be fine.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
They'll be fine.
dan friesen
They're going to cut your social security.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And your grandparents and you down the road are going to be...
Straight fucked when it comes to surviving.
jordan holmes
Yeah, in totalitarian-style states, generally, when you cut the military's budget, they have guns already.
dan friesen
Oh, and Musk makes a lot of money on government military-esque contracts and shit.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
But when you cut the people's money, they don't have anything to do, and you have all the guns with the military because you've highly funded them, so...
You got it.
dan friesen
It's the path that you don't...
Alex does not want people to understand that this is the path that a lot of this is going down.
jordan holmes
Fairly predictable, yeah.
dan friesen
And I think that that clip itself is really illustrative and helpful because...
I don't know.
details and like what is musk actually doing what are these things you don't You don't want to make the argument that you support all of this shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no.
dan friesen
You want to rock out to heads are gonna roll.
jordan holmes
You were totally, you're like, okay, yeah, we're chopping King's heads off.
Got it.
Aristocrats?
unidentified
Got it.
jordan holmes
Who's that guy?
Why are you chopping his head off?
Oh, shit, everybody I know is getting their head chopped off.
This revolution is not going the way I thought it was going to go.
dan friesen
Right.
You've got to subvert the feeling lest the people realize what they're doing.
So Alex talks a little bit about what he wants people to think Musk's team is doing.
alex jones
One of the biggest takeaways, we have all the documents right here, is that for decades, even when funding ended, They would never even end the funding and would just keep paying whatever forever.
And you've got Democrat senators, Republican senators, House members, foreign, current, on these boards of NGO nonprofits getting hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars a year, in some cases, billions per organization.
And then they've already started spot-checking the actual numbers of whatever the aid was, and in most cases, it's less than 12% ever actually went to whatever the so-called aid was.
You know, you'll see people like Senator Paul every year with his Festivus list of the worst pork barrel, and it's big news.
This is a billion, and I mean, I'm not exaggerating, I'm just dead wrecking, a billion times crazier.
If you think one of the things they used as an example last week, $15 million in condoms to Gaza, or $15 million for shrimp on treadmills, that's real if you're a new viewer.
Just type it in, I'm not joking.
I know it doesn't sound real, believe me, I understand.
If you think that's bad, ladies and gentlemen, This is mass total criminal activity, and they're just releasing it all.
It's over.
dan friesen
So what is it?
Like, Alex uses these kind of shorthand things to discuss government spending with two examples.
These are the examples he uses because they're supposed to elicit a reaction from the audience that's something like, I can't believe that's where our money is going.
But he's also specifically using these as examples of things that were uncovered.
These aren't the things that Doge is uncovering, but this is supposed to be a stand-in for those specifics that Alex isn't giving.
That's a problem, though, because neither of these things were secrets that were covered up ever.
It was all totally public stuff available to anyone who was interested.
The shrimp on treadmills thing, Alex said, is a $15 million situation.
That was a half-million-dollar grant that went to the College of Charleston, South Carolina, and a biologist named Lou Bennett.
Why did Alex exaggerate that by 30 times?
Why is that?
jordan holmes
Why didn't he bring up how Lou Bennett managed to get all this funding for himself?
That's pretty cool, honestly.
dan friesen
Well, also, shrimp being on a treadmill is a small part of the research that was facilitated by this grant, but it naturally creates a funny image in your head, which is why it's used as a meme by the right-wing forces that want to stop government spending.
This was a scandal from 2011, and the actual study had to do with some important issues, like the effects of bacteria exposure on crustaceans, which are a major part of agriculture around the country.
You can say that this part of the research looks silly, like shrimp being on a treadmill.
It is a funny picture.
Or you could say that it lacks practical application, but a lot of science looks that way to people who don't understand what the actual variables that are being examined by these studies are.
The $50 million for condoms to Gaza thing, that just wasn't true.
It was a lie that Musk promoted and was repeated by the press secretary until it was debunked.
And then Musk said, quote, Some of the things I say will be incorrect and should be corrected.
Nobody's going to bat a thousand.
I mean, any, you know, we will make mistakes, but we'll act quickly to correct any mistakes.
So there's no real spot checking of fraud that's going on here.
There's a lie about condoms going to Gaza and an almost 15-year-old mischaracterization of a study on shrimp that's being used to attack government spending.
Because public investment helps the public and it hurts billionaires, and that's the side that Alex is on.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, like, I think it's interesting that you see, like, we'll talk about this in a proxy.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'm not going to talk about, like, go to Musk's Twitter if you want to see all the...
Copious examples of all the fraud they're uncovering, but I'm going to bring up condoms in Gaza and shrimp on treadmills because that's the feeling that I want to articulate to you.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
That's the feeling you need to have.
jordan holmes
Do you remember, I don't know if this, maybe this never happened, I feel like in my lifetime there was a guy who went on TV and had commercials and he was dressed in a dollar sign suit about government grants, right?
dan friesen
The Riddler.
jordan holmes
Right.
That was real though, right?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Why don't...
Here's what I'd do.
PR stunt, murder that guy.
Right?
Get him in his hole, like...
I mean, maybe you don't actually have to murder him, but I mean, we're in fucking...
Murder town, USA.
Why not?
But we get him.
He's like, oh, you can have government money.
And then Elon Musk strangles him or maybe puts him in a bathtub.
And then that's a signal that you can't get government grants anymore.
You know what I'm saying?
dan friesen
Business is closed for the Riddler.
unidentified
Exactly.
jordan holmes
And then they burn the book.
Because he was selling a book that was like, how to get government grants.
We burn all those, like the Nazi book burning.
I think this is a good PR stunt for America.
dan friesen
I think when you are forced to say, like the Nazi book burning, you might be on the wrong track.
jordan holmes
I don't understand.
dan friesen
I think you might be advancing something that's not a great idea.
jordan holmes
Okay, maybe there are better examples of people burning books.
dan friesen
I wonder.
jordan holmes
I don't think there are better examples.
dan friesen
Someone has to have done an analysis on how much actually...
jordan holmes
How much he actually got through that program?
dan friesen
Well, I'm sure he sold a number of books.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
But I mean, in terms of actual grants that ended up being got by people who got his books, I bet it's a tiny amount.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but what if it was a massive success and we just didn't know about it?
That would be such a...
I would love so much if there was like an Errol Morris documentary that was about how secretly...
20% of all government grant funding given to universities during this time was purely because of a guy wearing a money suit.
That'd be great.
dan friesen
Now, here's a question that I think might be a Mandela effect that I don't know the answer to.
Do you think that that guy predates the Riddler?
Like, not as a character, but the movie.
jordan holmes
Oh!
Jim Carrey's version of it.
Do you mean Batman Forever when Jim Carrey played the Riddler?
dan friesen
Yeah, which came first?
jordan holmes
Batman Forever, I believe, was 97. I don't know.
Because of the McDonald's mugs.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
That may be my entire memory of all of maybe 1997.
dan friesen
If you tell me it's 97, I'll believe it.
I don't know for sure.
I want to say that he does predate 97. I think he does too, but it could be a Mandela effect.
jordan holmes
I think I remember him during the late Clinton years.
You know what I'm saying?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But...
Who knows?
We may never know.
jordan holmes
Oh boy.
dan friesen
So, I think that if Musk just wanted to go on a crusade against that guy, I don't know if I would care.
I think it would do a lot less public harm.
jordan holmes
Sure.
Yeah.
dan friesen
If he wants to roleplay as Batman.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it'd be metaphorical.
We wouldn't have to do as much real stuff.
We could have a nice little...
It's like a performance art piece.
dan friesen
Sure.
Or like the Make-A-Wish kid who wanted to pretend to be Batman.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
Musk could do that if he wanted.
jordan holmes
Yes, absolutely.
dan friesen
So there's something very exciting that Alex says on this episode that made me feel like maybe Jerome Corsi had information that was going to get him killed.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
It's that kind of a tease he's doing.
alex jones
So you tried to kill Trump twice, tried to destroy his family, went after all his supporters, his prominent ones, including right here.
I'm not going to talk about this until tomorrow.
But let's just say...
The Trump administration released something to us that we just got yesterday.
Oh, I don't think our enemies are going to be too happy.
But see, that news is minor.
unidentified
So it just goes over here on the side for now.
jordan holmes
Don't use that voice.
That one's gross.
alex jones
Woo, baby.
Because...
None of us that have been persecuted by this evil system are going to have any problems anymore once this is completed, and there's no turning it back now.
So, yeah, I feel like a trillion pounds have been lifted off of me.
dan friesen
So Trump has given Alex some kind of secret information that provides him with a great amount of relief, and he's going to talk about it on the show tomorrow.
Which, I think, when you're responding to him making that voice, it's because you're faking all this.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You're doing something silly as a performance.
jordan holmes
If I'm Trump, and Alex is doing his stuff...
I write him a get-out-of-jail-free card, right?
dan friesen
In crayon.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
And just be like, here you go.
One free one, you know?
And then just leave me alone.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
That'd be cool.
I feel like that would work.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I think I might...
Yeah.
I don't know.
I'm conflicted between, like, I'll just give him some fake shit.
Or just, like, I promise you...
I won't be mad if you just make up whatever you want.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
Just go ahead.
jordan holmes
Go nuts, buddy.
dan friesen
I'm not going to come down on you if you just talk shit.
jordan holmes
Just an official writ of bullshit.
You are the lead bullshitter.
We just, as a society, anoint you the guy who can say whatever the fuck he wants.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Maybe Roger told him that or something.
jordan holmes
That's possible.
dan friesen
He's got his invitation to the White House.
That dinner is going to happen any day now.
So Alex talks a little bit more about this and implies that he now has evidence that he was targeted by the deep state.
alex jones
And now they've opened a criminal investigation out of the District of Columbia on Chuckie Schumer.
That criminal investigation was announced last night.
And then Trump's going to start releasing all the secret intelligence agency and FBI investigations.
That have gone on against the American people, including me.
We've already been given the first tranche of information.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, not a tranche.
alex jones
That's fast.
I didn't expect 12 days, that's yesterday, into this, we're 13 now.
I didn't even call, ask for anything, nothing.
I said, let them move to the big stuff first, secure the republic.
But I'm really impressed.
Because when all this comes out, and it's coming out right now, the deep state's all going to prison.
Oh, man, who's involved helping go through all the data?
Elon Musk.
unidentified
Oh.
alex jones
Oh, thank you, Lucky Stars, for that guy.
dan friesen
To quote Elon Musk, some of the things that I say will be incorrect and should be correct.
I think that Alex is...
Like, this is a bad idea.
He's now creating a responsibility for himself to provide documents that prove all this stuff.
jordan holmes
A tranche of them.
dan friesen
Because he has them.
And Trump gave them to him in order...
Like, he's setting up a bar for himself to have to clear that's unnecessary.
jordan holmes
He doesn't need to.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
Because this is going to be a dud.
jordan holmes
He doesn't need...
The documents anymore.
dan friesen
Nah.
jordan holmes
Like, arguably, he never did.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
But what's important is that he had to have the illusion of having the documents, and that is no longer necessary.
dan friesen
Not really.
jordan holmes
No.
So just be like, Trump called me and said this.
dan friesen
Yeah, a little bird told me.
unidentified
Absolutely.
dan friesen
You know, they told me about all these documents and the investigations are underway and all this.
That's all you need.
jordan holmes
You are in oral history now.
dan friesen
Now he has...
Ownership and possession of these documents that if he doesn't reveal, he can't prove his claim.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
And it's a pretty important claim.
So, great.
jordan holmes
Have fun opening that safe, Geraldo.
dan friesen
Or taking the chip out of the homeless guy's arm.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, great.
Enjoy.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
So Alex, read some headlines about old Elon Musk, who's the king of the world.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
alex jones
Elon Musk announces Doge has uncovered the payment.
Approval officers of the Treasury never denied a payment in their entire career.
This is extremely concerning.
Yeah.
Total fraud.
unidentified
Total fraud.
alex jones
I mean, of all the video clips of this, U.S. aid is evil.
Yeah, that's an understatement, says Elon Musk.
dan friesen
This show is too focused on Elon Musk.
Alex is overcommitted in a way that comes off a bit desperate and uninteresting.
He seems like somebody who's like, this is my only real shot.
This guy has a lot of fucking money.
And he seems nuts.
I might be able to, once all the dust settles, he could create a foundation that I could end up living off or something.
Like, he could be my parachute.
And I think that...
The way this feels a little bit.
jordan holmes
I'm beginning to get the feeling that we stopped listening to Infowars and turned on, I don't know, the world's number one NSYNC fan club.
Yeah.
But Elon is now the head of NSYNC.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah, it does have that feeling.
Things have changed a bit in a way that is very Elon-focused.
jordan holmes
Can you believe what Justin's wearing today?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I sure can.
dan friesen
Elon has frosted tips.
jordan holmes
Ooh!
dan friesen
So all of this, too, like this obsession with Elon Musk, it comes at the expense of critical thinking skills.
Musk has said that these payment approval officers in the Treasury Department, they've gone their whole careers without rejecting a payment, and this is a scandal that Doge has uncovered.
But you should ask yourself the question, what do these people do?
Is it their job to choose whether to approve or deny payment of a bill?
As it turns out, that's not their job.
The role of the Treasury Department payment officers is to reliably dispense payment for the spending that's approved by other bodies of the government.
Determining whether or not things are cool or not, that's another part of the government's job.
This is the accounts payable department.
What people with more expertise on the subject have said is that Trump is trying to take over this area of the government and distort what it does in order to just not pay our bills.
That fits with his general business strategies that he's used in the past and now he's trying to run the country that way.
Just don't pay people.
They want to use the Treasury as a block on dispensing funds that Congress has approved as a way of tyrannically taking over the ability of our country to spend money on things that people want but the big power interests don't like, like Social Security.
It's all very transparent, and someone who is the character that Alex has pretended to be for the last 30 years should be so able to see through this, and the fact that he doesn't should be an indication to everybody who might be tricked by him that...
His career has been a joke up till this point.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's been pretending to oppose these power systems that he actually just wants to use for his own benefit.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And for the benefit of the rich.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, if you think of government in one way as, say, like, just the engine by which we collectively pool our money together and use it.
Right?
That's just the...
The tool is the government for us to use our money, theoretically, for our collective betterment.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It is not good whenever we kind of tend to forget that it's just them...
It's like our money.
And they're the way we're spending it.
And for him to recognize that if I just control whether or not they pay for stuff, that's probably more important than laws.
That's bad for all of us.
Yeah.
Because money is probably more important than laws these days.
dan friesen
If I can get away with just having people block the ability of anything to function, then who cares?
What the will of the people is.
jordan holmes
You know what?
You know what?
Let's do it.
To do it, alright?
Anyone who can destroy a thing can control a thing.
What are you going to do?
dan friesen
The Treasury Department must flow.
jordan holmes
The Treasury Department is the spice, yes.
dan friesen
So, Alex has touched on Zelensky a little bit.
And he talks a bit more about that story that he kind of touched on earlier.
jordan holmes
Right.
alex jones
Less than 24 hours after Elon Musk and his Department of Government.
Got into the U.S. Treasury computers.
They have gone into a complete limbing route, running off the edge of the political cliff, and they're just everywhere turning on each other right now.
I mean, they are in panic mode, running for the exits.
And Zelensky was put in by the West and the CIA.
And then it's canceled over a year ago elections and banned even friendly parties and taken over all the media and banned the Orthodox Church.
They always say they banned a major denomination.
No, it's the big one.
The guy's a dictator.
He's been refusing to listen to Trump.
And now all of a sudden he's like, oh yeah, I want to come to the table.
I want to, and by the way, I didn't steal the money.
58% of the money never came.
So you need to investigate that.
That's not me.
I've got a bunch of other examples of it.
dan friesen
This is just a lie.
The point Zelensky made was that the money that was appropriated by Congress within the five bills that provided aid to Ukraine, there's a portion of that money that doesn't actually go to Ukraine, and when people are using these top-line numbers that are so high, it's like, that wasn't money that went to us.
So some of the money is appropriated to supporting other countries in the region, and a lot of it goes to US weapons manufacturers who produce munitions that then go to Ukraine.
That money is spent supporting Ukraine in the war, but technically it doesn't go to them.
Dipshit social media users were putting forward the story that Zelensky was trying to distance himself from a money laundering scandal that Trump and Musk were clearly uncovering, and now Alex is just repeating that as news.
In reality, Zelensky didn't say anything of the sort.
It's just a lie that's facilitated by social media's ability to corrupt and oversimplify information and then repackage it.
And that's Alex's job.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
And I mean, I think arguably...
If I'm a country at war, right, and I hear that the leader of the country is money laundering for the war, that's not really money laundering for me.
That's just like, he's doing a good job, right?
He's getting money for the war.
dan friesen
You mean, were you to be a person in Ukraine, you would not be swayed by this accusation?
jordan holmes
Oh, I'm sorry.
He got more money for us to continue to live?
Oh, a scandal!
Yeah, I'd be fine with that.
Go for it, man.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
It's a scandal if you're like, I ran contra-ing when nobody's at war.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
You know?
dan friesen
And I think that Alex does probably not want to recognize that there's no way that Musk hasn't profited off this, too.
jordan holmes
Totally, yeah.
dan friesen
So, like, I just think he's playing a stupid game.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it's at the expense of, you know, people's lives.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
Like, I mean, man, one of the things that we should all really be concerned about is that we know...
From what we can see, Elon Musk is making absolutely terrible decisions left and right for his businesses, for himself, for life, for all of us, right?
But he's still making more money.
He is not receiving any negative consequences for behaving what is clearly insane behavior.
He's only getting richer.
dan friesen
We should consider this.
jordan holmes
Something has gone far off the rails.
dan friesen
We should think about this a lot.
jordan holmes
At the very least, he should be getting a little bit poorer, you know?
Like, if you bought a company and then ran it into the ground, people would be like, ah, that made him at least a little bit poorer, right?
But then it didn't!
dan friesen
It's a lost leader.
jordan holmes
That's not good!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's not good!
dan friesen
Nope.
So, Alex plays that clip of Zelensky and reads the subtitles over it.
Now, if you pay attention to the way that this goes, you can see, like, a real difference in approach that Alex has towards Zelensky on the one hand.
And Putin on the other.
alex jones
Look, when I hear, and I heard before and today, we hear from the United States of America that America gave Ukraine hundreds of billions, 170 billion, to be more precise.
unidentified
177, if you want to say more precisely.
alex jones
That's what the exact figures sounded like, which was supported or voted by Congress, etc.
Look, as the president of a warring country, I tell you, we received just over 75 billion.
That is 100 billion of these, 177 billion or 200, some people even say, we've never received.
And this is important, because we are talking about specific things.
Because we got it in the money, with the money.
We got 70-something billion worth of it.
There is training.
There is additional transport.
There are not only pieces of weapons and prices of weapons.
unidentified
There were humanitarian programs, social, etc.
alex jones
But when they say the Ukrainian during the war received $200 billion to support the army, etc., this is not true.
I don't know where all the money is.
Then he goes on in the full interview to talk about, you know, Investigate it.
It's not him.
So, that's throwing his accomplices under the bus.
Now, the full video, watch at your leisure, of Putin is up on Infowars.com.
Putin, European elites, will stand at the master's heel and wag their tails gently.
And he goes on to say that Trump knows where all the bodies is buried and is moving very quickly.
The globalists are basically going to be defeated.
And I agree with that statement.
People say, well, whoa, you're with Putin.
No, Putin's under the same globalist attack Americans are.
He makes that point.
He goes, you know, Trump does not want to chop your son's penises off.
He actually says that.
dan friesen
He doesn't.
alex jones
And I don't want to chop your son's penises off either.
So, you know, the cult that runs government that are a bunch of demons and pedophiles and vampires, he says that in other interviews recently, I'm kind of throwing in a gestalt, are done.
People are sick of them all over the world.
This is a worldwide phenomenon.
It's over.
People go, my God, Putin sounds just like Alex Jones.
It's because we're looking at the same thing.
This is not political spin.
This is what's going on.
dan friesen
There's a stult.
He's putting together vampires and demons.
jordan holmes
Good stats.
dan friesen
Cool, man.
I don't think anyone has ever had...
I think we've been pretty clear.
For a number of years, you and Putin are on the same page.
Yeah.
No shit.
You have one leader in a conflict who's saying, hey, the number is a little bit misleading.
We didn't get like $200 billion or whatever.
We're at war.
We're talking about a specific thing here.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Let's be clear.
Let's not use this to antagonize and exaggerate things.
Right.
And Alex is like, fuck, this guy's admitting to money laundering.
And then on the other hand, you have Putin being like, the dog will wag its tail at the master.
He's like, this guy fucking rules.
jordan holmes
This guy's great.
dan friesen
He's talking like a crazy person.
jordan holmes
Man, supervillains are cool.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So that's where Alex is at.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's not good.
You know, like, here's what I say.
I guess this is how it's going to be.
This is how these people are going to do it.
But it should be public that they can no longer be fans of the movie Red Dawn.
They can never appreciate the movie Red Dawn ever again.
They should never speak Patrick Swayze's name aloud.
I don't acknowledge the remake.
dan friesen
Whoa.
jordan holmes
Because it's not true to the message of the movie.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Which is Wolverines.
dan friesen
That is the message of the movie.
jordan holmes
That is the main message of the movie.
And we're either all Wolverines or we're not.
dan friesen
You know what?
I don't know if I've seen Red Dawn.
jordan holmes
You should see Red Dawn.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Now that I reflect, I know it from cultural osmosis.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
But yeah, I don't know if I've ever actually watched that movie.
jordan holmes
It's surprisingly affecting.
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
At time for how ridiculous it is.
Like, if you don't focus on that, like, what are the Russians doing just taking over, like, a small town?
What are you guys doing there?
dan friesen
Strategically important.
jordan holmes
Sure it is.
Who cares?
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know.
I had a good run with The Matrix.
Patrick Swayze, yeah.
So, Trump, obviously, is attacking immigration and immigrant rights and such.
ISIS running amok.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And all that.
But, you know, some people have protested.
There's some protests that have gone on.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And Alex has an aversion to Trump cracking down on these protests.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But it's not because of the First Amendment.
jordan holmes
It's because of false flaggery.
dan friesen
Yes.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's a trap.
jordan holmes
It's a trap.
dan friesen
So he explains that here.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
And then I'm going to get into what's happening with the border and the illegal alien protests being funded by USAID publicly and what they're planning there, which is also the enemy attack.
And Tom Homan, the border is ours, is very smart.
And not go mess with these big demonstrations.
Even though they're pulling out American flags and beating people up and blocking traffic, and as I predicted, they would start, and it's getting more violent, more violent, more violent.
It's the local police's job to respond, and it's hurting them.
It's hurting the left that this is all going on.
Don't interrupt your enemy when they're destroying themselves, as Napoleon said.
unidentified
And...
jordan holmes
Ironically.
alex jones
It's going to get more violent and more violent trying to get the feds to come out so the CIA network, just not the whole CIA now, but the bad stay-behind network, at a truck bomb, or it'll be German intelligence or something, because they've used them before to bomb Oklahoma City, to bomb them with a truck bomb or a mass shooting.
And so, and I told you, when Holman doesn't take the bait, then they're going to start burning the cities.
And that'll be in a few months.
But they're looking for the right pretext to do it now that a cop does something wrong or something.
We just keep exposing it, keep laying it out, keep talking about it.
And then it does border on Machiavelli to not run in with the feds and stop it.
unidentified
But it's a trap.
It's a trap.
alex jones
And that's why I'm just completely honest about it.
This is my view.
And, but they're going to get very violent soon.
They'll have Antivy out shooting people in the head soon in Los Angeles and Austin and everywhere else like they've done before to try to really elicit the response.
And at that point, there'll be feds watching and they'll just go arrest them at home.
There'll be professors and leftists and, you know, congressmen's kids and stuff like that.
We've caught them before.
jordan holmes
Sorry?
dan friesen
The fake contracts.
alex jones
The Trump administration sends...
Or federal riot police or anything into these things, you're walking into a trap.
And I don't think they need me to tell them that.
What I'm seeing from the administration is really smart, really dead on.
But when they really start burning the cities, the blue cities are going to stand down so it gets out of control.
And then at that point, Trump has to explain it's a trap, explain how this is a setup, and tell the mayors.
And the police chiefs, if you don't go stop this now, we know you're aiding and abetting NGOs.
We know you're involved.
You're going to be indicted for trying to lure the feds in there to start a civil war.
And then Trump will have to ask the governors and put it on this.
This is constitutional.
Go in there with your state police and take over the city and county, because when they don't do their job, that's what happens.
And then governors like Newsom are going to try to refuse, but you saw he started flipping under Trump's pressure.
So see, now that we have the public awake and understanding how this works, they won't be able to stand when Trump goes, I'm not walking into your trap.
Stop it.
And within 24 hours, they'll have to go stop it.
And then that'll still burn them.
Everybody goes, oh, you could have stopped it.
You didn't.
See how you get them?
dan friesen
See?
You see, Jordan?
Do you see you get it?
jordan holmes
I absolutely do not see.
dan friesen
I will answer three questions.
jordan holmes
All right.
Why would you burn your own home down?
dan friesen
Because they're mad.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And the NGOs told you to.
That's it.
jordan holmes
All right.
There's two factions within the CIA.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
Probably more than that.
jordan holmes
So, like, you go to work every day.
What's that like?
dan friesen
I mean, it's probably tense.
jordan holmes
It would have to be tense, right?
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
It can't just be like everybody's very collegial while at the same time secretly trying to tear the country apart.
dan friesen
Well, and you're in the CIA, so you're probably spying on each other.
You know who's on what side.
jordan holmes
I feel like it's not all exciting at the CIA.
I feel like there's a lot of people who are just like, they're just like doing...
There are CIA accountants and stuff.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
So if you've got a stay-behind network, do you also have a CIA accountant stay-behind network?
dan friesen
You don't have to have someone in each department staying behind or else, you know, you lose a little bit of the function.
jordan holmes
So how do you get anything done with both sides of the CIA fighting each other?
dan friesen
I think it really would come down to do you have someone in HR, right?
jordan holmes
Right!
dan friesen
I mean, like, if you have a stay-behind person in HR, then you could just fire all the patriots or whatever.
And if you don't have someone there, then you have no ability.
You gotta take over HR.
jordan holmes
Here's what I feel like.
I feel like we're in a situation where when I'm watching a movie, I go, I need to turn off the stuff so I can enjoy the movie.
But then in real life, I go, you can't do that.
You just have to talk to a guy.
You would have to talk to him.
If you did that, then we should have a scene where you have to talk to a group of people and they're just really disappointed in you.
And that's it.
But they don't do that in real life.
Alex just tells the story of the CIA having multiple factions and not one where it's like, buddy, now we have to call in the fucking Federal Union guys.
We have to bring them in here.
You need to have your representative in the office while me and your boss talk to you about whether or not you're on the wrong CIA side.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's dramatic.
He has a fun plot line.
Yeah.
I think that, obviously, what you're bringing up is true, but the point of why he's telling that story is to make people opposed to protesters who are going to be pushing back against things like Mass deportations, against stripping people of Social Security benefits.
That kind of stuff is what's going to elicit these large reactions from the public that Alex is saying are going to be bait for Trump to come in with the federal...
He's trying to invalidate the act of protesting in the minds of the audience.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
So that's really what I think is more important than the incoherence and stupidity of his storyline.
It's the purpose that it serves.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
That's fair.
dan friesen
And I think he'd have a different...
I think he has had a different take on things like the Bundy Ranch.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and the problem here is what happens...
So then what happens whenever...
Chicagoans don't burn down Chicago because we live here, you know?
Like, you've got this whole story where, okay, so we leave them alone and we don't bother their protests, so then they've got to go crazy on us to get attention.
So then they have to burn down Chicago, and you're like, hold on, why are we burning down Chicago?
dan friesen
Well, I think it's because Alex knows that there aren't these NWO and Wolfpack versions of the CIA, but that there are a lot of accelerationist...
Sure.
Maybe.
Part of the storyline can be fulfilled by another agent as opposed to some breakaway, stay-behind CIA network.
So that part of the story can be fulfilled and the rest of the narrative play out how Alex wants, even if protesters don't end up burning down their own cities.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I think it's all just gross.
And he should say that protesters can protest because of the Constitution.
Not because it's a trap to stop them.
jordan holmes
It's very simple.
dan friesen
So there's some other economic stuff that's going on.
Trump's talking tariffs and whatnot.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And Alex has some dumb takes on that.
alex jones
Trump had leaked.
Oh, he was going to do the tariffs in March.
So the big banks, BlackRock, and brokerage firms went out, hedge funds, went out and did their put options in March, April, and May.
Then, Saturday, they go, oh, no, sorry, it's today.
Signs the orders, and now they're having to do them now, and it just totally reveals what they're doing.
And there's a lot of ways to mitigate that by exposing it and the public not buying it, but Kirk Elliott's really smart economist, and I agree with him.
dan friesen
Oh yeah, that's convenient for your gold sponsor to promote.
jordan holmes
It helps.
dan friesen
So also people don't need to be part of a conspiracy in order to think that it's a good idea to bet against the stock market if Trump does the things he's announced he's going to do.
Even members of Trump's cabinet and his biggest supporters have said things like there's going to be some pain if he does this stuff.
But they just pretend that that leads to a better place after the pain because it does for them.
The super rich.
For the rest of us, the pain continues.
Markets like a little bit of predictability.
Investment isn't the same thing as gambling, so a measure of stability is needed for things to work how they're supposed to.
Trump is acting like a giant ball of uncertainty, saying he's putting on these huge tariffs and then delaying it and then saying he's going to put them in, but bigger.
It's not hospitable to investment, so that makes some people...
A bit more likely to want to have some put options in there.
It's just, it makes sense.
jordan holmes
It's wise.
dan friesen
So, I don't know.
I think that Alex is dealing with cause and effect, interestingly, here.
jordan holmes
I would say that if I was going to prepare a narrative, you don't even need to worry about the gold salesman.
The way things are going, if you just let a lunatic in charge of the economy, it's probably going to crash.
dan friesen
Sure.
It's going to be bad for a lot of people.
jordan holmes
I mean, remember when we've let lunatics in charge of the economy before?
dan friesen
It's worked.
jordan holmes
Hmm.
dan friesen
Yeah, we'll see how it plays out.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
So Alex is, he's like, they're putting all these put options and shorting the stock market and what have you, all because Trump just wants to put some tariffs in.
jordan holmes
Right?
What an asshole.
dan friesen
Tariffs are a normal, healthy, good, basic thing.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Except, like, a minute later, Alex says that they're financial violence.
jordan holmes
Oh, great!
alex jones
This demolishes that whole system, and it is very aggressive.
It is very financially violent.
But it's a revolution.
So you really want to blow the hell out of the New World Order.
You want to destroy their system and really flood the country with industry and jobs and innovation and cheap energy and grow our way out of the fact that they had us ready for collapse.
It's going to be messy.
So this is extremely bold, extremely well thought out, and the key to it all is lightning-fast, brutal implementation to keep the bad guys off balance.
And again, my assessment in the first week was Trump was doing 100% of what I thought he should, and I couldn't believe he was doing such a great job.
By a week and a half in, I said he's 200% what I would have thought.
It's like double my expectations.
The last 24 hours...
It's ten times what I thought he could do.
dan friesen
A thousand out of a hundred!
jordan holmes
That's so many.
dan friesen
So good!
jordan holmes
He's escalating too fast.
It's only been 13 days.
dan friesen
But also, the way Alex works with numbers, he should be in charge of the economy.
He knows numbers.
jordan holmes
No, inflation is going to get us way out of control.
dan friesen
So, like, I mean, like, this is...
He's saying that what Trump wants to do is revolutionary financial violence.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
In a promise of, it's going to be better on the other side of that messiness.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You know what it's not going to be messy for?
It's not going to be messy for the really rich.
jordan holmes
It is strange how that works.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's going to be messy for you.
jordan holmes
It is very strange how that works.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's the untold piece of this.
And then it doesn't get not messy for you afterwards.
It gets not messy for the really rich.
jordan holmes
It stays messy for you.
You just get adapted to it.
You get adapted to the mess and you go, well, this is better than no mess, I guess.
dan friesen
And then if you want to go protest, it's a trap.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that makes sense.
I have a question for you, because I think this might be a deep language question.
Can something be both extremely bold and extremely well thought out?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
How so?
dan friesen
Well, that's a good question.
You know what?
Maybe you can't.
jordan holmes
That's what I'm saying, because the moment you go, well, you can do something bold that is extremely well thought out.
Then you go, well, if it's extremely well thought out, it's really not that bold, is it?
dan friesen
I guess it can be if there's no other option.
jordan holmes
But is it bold if there's no other option?
You're just acquiescing to the demands of the moment.
dan friesen
Pulling the trigger on doing the thing that must be done can sometimes require a type of boldness.
Sure.
Like, I don't know, let's say you're on a second story building or whatever, and you have to jump off the roof to avoid some kind of danger.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
That takes boldness.
jordan holmes
But is it extremely well thought out?
dan friesen
I mean, compared to if there's certain doom coming from the other side, then yes.
I just watched the Matrix movie and he had to jump off a roof.
It's in my head.
jordan holmes
I was feeling like this is very specific.
dan friesen
I think, okay, well thought out.
If it requires a ton of pre-planning and time, then maybe not.
But if you can make a snap decision that is pretty well assessing the risk and cost benefits, then maybe.
jordan holmes
Okay, so here's then what I think we can agree on.
Something bold can be well thought out.
Something well thought out can be bold.
But an extremely bold thing cannot be extremely well thought out.
dan friesen
Huh.
Now...
jordan holmes
Because by virtue of its extreme boldness, it implies a necessary lack of thought.
dan friesen
Well, I think I'll go with you generally, but I think that there are some exceptions.
For instance, the spicy chicken sandwich at Wendy's.
jordan holmes
It is very bold.
unidentified
Bold.
jordan holmes
It is very bold.
dan friesen
And the recipe...
jordan holmes
Well thought out.
Extremely well thought out.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Probably almost excessively so.
dan friesen
So I think that there are some examples, if you really apply, if you take a broad take on...
jordan holmes
I appreciate the alternate definition of bold for this.
Right.
Well done.
dan friesen
If you do that, then...
jordan holmes
I like that.
dan friesen
No, but I think what Alex is trying to present is a little stupid.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that I would agree with.
dan friesen
And if he's saying, like, this is financial violence and that kind of shit, I feel like he's undercutting it a little bit with the...
Everyone is overreacting and putting put options on stuff.
Yeah, of course.
It's financial violence.
Trump is engaged in a revolutionary overthrow of the economy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
If you're listening to this, it feels like what he wants you to do is both be terrified and also not worried at all.
dan friesen
And buy CMOS.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
That's the only answer.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So we have one last clip here, and Alex is getting into...
Democratic leadership.
Yeah, and he's a little wrong.
alex jones
We're going to get into the Democratic Party was talking about having David Hogg as the DNC head.
unidentified
They did it.
alex jones
I mean, that guy is a low-grade moron.
You talk about rearranging deck chairs when the Titanic's right at the bottom of the ocean.
I mean, and you ought to see the freak show of the DNC election.
I mean, you want to know, I mean, look.
If you thought the Clintons a few weeks ago at Trump's inauguration looked like they'd seen a ghost, this is ten times more horrible than it was even then for them.
dan friesen
I thought Bill was having a great time.
What happened?
Anyway, David Hogg isn't the head of the DNC.
He became one of the five vice chairs, and Alex should probably just let this one go.
He knows nothing about David Hogg other than the fact that Hogg survived the Parkland shooting and then was the target of an intense harassment campaign carried out by Alex and his associates like noted AI expert and Ebola curer Mike Adams.
He ran a site that was just dedicated to David Hogg, who was at that point still in high school.
Well, to be fair, maybe he wasn't in high school at that time because 17 of his classmates had been murdered.
This is the person that you're choosing to now be like, he's a low-grade moron?
What the fuck is wrong with you?
unidentified
I...
dan friesen
Wild.
It's...
jordan holmes
Wild.
dan friesen
We've made a celebrity out of mocking this guy's tragedy, so I'm gonna go back to the well on that.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah.
dan friesen
Monstrous, but...
jordan holmes
It is like...
It is one of those things where you look at that and you just go, really?
Can't believe it.
I cannot believe it.
dan friesen
It's the kind of example of a moment and a behavior where you're like, wow, that's helpful.
Because it's exactly what you shouldn't do.
It's the exact way you shouldn't live your life.
Yeah.
Every instinct is wrong that leads you to the, woohoo, David Hogg, we get to make fun of him again!
jordan holmes
Yeah, but it also is why whenever you have a conversation with somebody about it, there's two reactions, which is like, well, he didn't actually do that, or he didn't actually mean it, because it's so fucking crazy that your instinct is to go, no human being could do that.
dan friesen
Right, like when he was insulting Neil Heslin during the trial.
jordan holmes
During the trial.
dan friesen
Talking about how he's slow and all this shit.
jordan holmes
People would be like, oh, no, he meant something.
Nope.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
No, he did not.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He is a monstrous human being.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
There is no other explanation that you require.
unidentified
Yeah.
That's it.
dan friesen
Exploitative piece of shit and full of malice.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
dan friesen
Now, at the same time, we end this on a cliffhanger.
jordan holmes
What is your bright spot?
dan friesen
That's one cliffhanger.
jordan holmes
That's my biggest cliffhanger.
dan friesen
There's a second cliffhanger.
And that is, what is the information that Alex is going to reveal tomorrow?
jordan holmes
Oh, that's interesting.
I had almost even written that off as we won't even talk about it tomorrow.
dan friesen
Exactly.
That's because we've been doing this for eight years.
jordan holmes
I was like, oh, I guess technically that is a cliffhanger, but I imagine that we won't ever hear about this ever again.
dan friesen
Now, normal people who just hear a story and hear a, like...
I have been given secret documents by the government, and I will reveal them on the air tomorrow.
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's a normal reaction.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
When you've been in Alex's world for eight years, you hear that and you're like, great.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Cool, man.
jordan holmes
All right.
I don't even know if you will remember you said that tomorrow.
Yeah.
dan friesen
But we will find out what my bright spot is.
jordan holmes
I suppose we will.
There's one thing that will be fulfilled.
dan friesen
One or two things will pay off on the next episode.
But until then.
We have a website.
jordan holmes
Indeed we do.
It's knowledgefight.com.
unidentified
Uh, yep.
dan friesen
We'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZXClark.
I am the mysterious professor.
jordan holmes
Woo!
unidentified
Yeah!
Woo!
Yeah!
Woo!
steve quayle
And now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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