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Jan. 10, 2025 - Knowledge Fight
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#996: January 5, 2025

In this installment, Dan and Jordan tune in to hear Alex break the scoop on the Globalists' next big plandemic operation.  Or maybe it's no big deal.  It's tough to say for sure.

Participants
Main voices
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alex jones
19:45
d
dan friesen
40:50
j
jordan holmes
18:53
Appearances
Clips
p
pastor david manning
00:02
p
peter hotez
00:03
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steve quayle
00:02
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Speaker Time Text
unidentified
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
and enjoy knowledge fight need money stop it it's time to pray hello Alex I'm a huge fan I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
Jordan, bring up the dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
unidentified
Oh, indeed we are.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your price about today, buddy?
dan friesen
I was going to say the challenge finale, but I realize that you probably haven't seen it yet.
jordan holmes
Oh, we haven't seen it yet.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
I watched it this morning, so why don't you go first?
I'll try and come up with something else.
jordan holmes
All right, all right, all right.
I mean, yeah, no, we've, it's kind of, we're pretty excited to watch it later on tonight.
My wife is...
Working out late, so we won't get to it.
dan friesen
It's fun.
I'll give you that.
jordan holmes
My bright spot is this is twice a year that Games Done Quick does their charity thing.
They're doing awesome Games Done Quick for the Prevent Cancer Foundation.
Good for them.
It's a lot of fun.
You know, there's a guy who played Super Mario with the piano.
How fun is that?
You can't get that other places.
dan friesen
You can play Donkey Kong with the bongos.
jordan holmes
Hell yeah, you can.
There's at least three music acts in this year's GDQ, as far as I understand it.
So, who knows?
dan friesen
Nice.
jordan holmes
Who knows what you can play with what?
dan friesen
Play Zelda with the triangle, right?
Because it's the Triforce.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
There needs to be a competition to see who could be more annoying with...
Their instrument choice for a video game.
dan friesen
Figured it out.
Okay.
Some sort of a fighting game, but with a theremin.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So you're like moving.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
jordan holmes
I see what you're saying.
dan friesen
Making punches, but with a theremin.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anything involving a theremin is kind of annoying.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's definitely true.
That's definitely true.
I think there might be something a little bit more incongruously funny about, like, Alto Sax being used to play Street Fighter.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
You know?
That would just be a very strange choice.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
My bright spot now is that I just remembered that a friend of mine got a theremin when I was 18. Tell me about this friend of yours.
jordan holmes
Why did they get a therapy?
dan friesen
He was in a band, and he was looking to expand his horizons.
jordan holmes
Expand your horizons with a therapy.
dan friesen
I think that the weed hit him a little differently than everybody else, and that was his way of being creative.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But that was a fun little stretch of time.
I don't think he ever learned how or got good at it, but there were some weird noises coming from the other side of the house.
jordan holmes
Is there a good...
You know what?
I don't know if there is a getting good at the theremin.
dan friesen
I have faith that someone has done it well.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today we've got an episode to go over.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
We're going to be talking about a special report from the Sunday, the 5th.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Alex's show from the 5th.
This is something that he said was incredibly important.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And so I will treat it as such.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
I'm excited to tell you about all the very important news.
jordan holmes
Good.
dan friesen
But first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, Hannah, I'm sorry I like podcasts with loud men that shout a lot.
It's definitely Jordan.
You've got the sexiest brain.
Love, Joram.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
Thank you!
Next, I sit on the floor in the shower listening to podcasts like some kind of depressed person, and Quill, you can't stop me.
Thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Next, Red575 thinks people need to talk about their feelings more.
I could die happy.
Thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
Thank you!
And we got a technocrat in the mixture, so thank you so much to Virginia.
Sorry she hasn't mailed you the Hillary for Prison t-shirt yet.
Thank you so much, you're now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars.
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
pastor david manning
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
alex jones
Daddy Shark.
Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp.
Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser little titty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much.
dan friesen
So I was a little bit worried that we were going to be in a period of time where Alex was...
Really deeply invested in carrying water for Elon.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Because there's some Musk drama and stuff.
jordan holmes
Still going on.
dan friesen
Well, yeah, and I think it's going to continue to go on.
I think the harder right side of this coalition has turned against him and the influence that he has over their god king.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And this is going to be a frustrating little bit of tension.
Yeah.
Forever now, for them.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they can't not.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know how often or for how long it'll become, like, public fights and a real, like, crisis, but it's not gonna go away.
They have fundamental differences of worldview.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
So I was really worried that we were gonna get stuck in that rut, and thankfully, we're not.
unidentified
But...
dan friesen
Alex does do a little bit of defending of Elon Musk on this show.
I just wanted to touch on it.
jordan holmes
What are you going to do?
dan friesen
But we actually get into very serious.
jordan holmes
Very serious.
dan friesen
Right off the bat.
Alex starts the show, and he thinks that he can go to commercial break.
jordan holmes
At the beginning?
dan friesen
Yeah.
But he can't.
jordan holmes
Uh-oh.
peter hotez
We need a really, really good team to be able to handle this.
dan friesen
Real quick, he's playing a clip of Peter Hotez talking about how once Trump gets into office, the health problems that exist now and have always existed will continue to exist.
jordan holmes
That's how they work.
dan friesen
So we need a good team in place.
unidentified
That makes sense.
dan friesen
He's playing that and he thinks he can just throw out a commercial.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
Thank you.
Thank you.
alex jones
All right.
We're going to join hundreds of stations after this one-minute break.
We're very thankful for...
unidentified
Oh, we skipped a break this hour, that's right.
alex jones
So I'm going to go ahead and start getting into it now.
All right.
Let's just start here.
Overhead shot, please.
This is Event 201, John Hopkins Center for Health Security, the exact same organization and group sponsored by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, the UN, the CIA, the Rockefeller Foundation.
And you go look at Event 201 at the centerforhealthsecurity.org, run by the UN and Bill Gates, and you can read how it's funded by the CIA and by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, all the groups I just listed.
And in this document, it talks about the meeting October 18th, actually for three days, 2019, and they produced all these newscasts and drills that I'll show you in a moment, where it basically mirrored exactly what happened with COVID, respiratory, out of Asia, all of it.
And it was all, we later learned they had COVID on the shelf years before, it was man-made, all of it.
They had the so-called vaccine already ready, already patented.
That is Event 201.
That's the battle plan for the rollout, but you don't give everybody months before a battle plan of what you're going to do and say we're doing it.
People say, well, then you're the one behind it.
You say, oh, it's just a drill that just so happens to perfectly match what's happening.
dan friesen
Perfectly matches.
So, Event 201 wasn't a three-day event.
It was a one-day, three-and-a-half-hour tabletop scenario exercise.
We've talked about this many times in the past, so I don't want to get too lost in the weeds, but it's important to understand that Alex doesn't know anything about Event 201 past the name of it and vague stories that he remembers telling about it in the past.
Event 201 involved a fictitious disease that was modeled largely on SARS, which is why it bears some similarities to SARS-CoV-2.
Alex is entirely wrong about the details here, though, as the exercise didn't mirror what happened with COVID.
For instance, in the Event 201 exercise, the virus emerges from zoonotic infection from a pig in Brazil, not from China.
Also, the virus kills 65 million people in the first 18 months of the scenario pandemic, which is way higher than the World Health Organization's real-world number of just over 7 million deaths in the entire span of COVID up to present day.
Further, a vaccine is considered impossible in the purposes of Event 201, so it's a very minor issue in the scenario exercise.
Given that Alex thinks that the globalists' whole plan was to inject everyone with a bioweapon that destroys their immune system and all that other stuff that he's totally proved, you would think that that would be a major factor in Event 201, but it's really more about corporate government cooperation in response to a potential outbreak.
So it doesn't mirror the real world at all.
Alex's stories kind of mirror his stories because they're the same thing.
Alex can't be trusted to understand the basic facts about stories like this, let alone some kind of grand conspiracy they reveal.
But it's clear he wants to talk pandemic stuff.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So that's the tip that we're on.
Gotcha.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, you know, it is...
That is a good thing to bring up because this is something that's going to exist for all of us in like 20 years, 30 years, something like that.
Whenever we're past all of the idiots like Alex and the far right wing who are doing the COVID denialism stuff, people will look back and remember we as a species created a disease-killing vaccine in like...
Record speed.
Like, crazy fast.
In a speed that we could never have even dreamt possible just 20 years ago.
You know, like, there was definitely a world-shattering achievement that occurred that nobody can really handle right now because there's too many insane people around.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I think that's the other part that history is going to have a really difficult time encapsulating, is that, like, we as a species created this and also...
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
A not insignificant...
jordan holmes
There are two wolves in all of us, if you will.
dan friesen
That's true.
So there was Event 201, but that wasn't the only scenario exercise that the globalists pulled to try and get COVID or something.
alex jones
And two years before this, this was months before they rolled it out, in 2000, in 2018, they did...
The SPARS 2025, 2028, based on that year.
Those years were really 2020 to 2023 into four.
And it was even the same tweets they put out.
It's just the name of that virus they had, fictitious virus, that was also a coronavirus, changed to COVID-19.
And people go read the hundreds of pages in the synopsis of the...
SPARS 2025-2028 drill fighting by the same group.
And General Flynn saw that, a two-hour presentation on it, and got tens of millions of views.
Shot that, what, three and a half years ago.
That was a tape show.
And people see it, go, oh my God, we didn't know.
It's word for word.
Yeah.
You don't go around with a battle plan to launch a bio-attack and say, here's our bio-attack plan.
It's a war game.
dan friesen
So again, this is something we've covered extensively in the past, but as a short refresher, SPARS 2025-2028 refers to a scenario exercise that was also carried out by Johns Hopkins.
Alex is pretty much wrong about everything regarding this exercise, but I'm glad that he and Flynn were able to get a lot of views.
That's something to be proud of.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
The SPAR scenario was meant specifically to explore messaging within a public health crisis.
So it was a series of communication challenges that were supposed to help participants understand the pitfalls that they should try to avoid in stressful situations like a public health crisis.
The team created a world characterized by highly fragmented information communities and highly available information technology, which they titled, quote, the Echo Chamber.
It was meant to maximize the idea that people were more connected than ever, but also more divided than ever, and how do you deal with getting important information out to people in that situation?
alex jones
Sure.
dan friesen
The scenario did not closely mirror what happened in the real world during COVID.
For instance, the virus in the scenario was called SPARS, or St. Paul Acute Respiratory Syndrome, because the first cases were identified in St. Paul from people who had recently traveled to the Philippines.
Alex is pointing to tweets that were mocked up in the exercise and pretending that they just changed the name of the virus out to COVID, which is a dead giveaway of their master plan.
The problem is that some of the tweets that he's talking about are made-up tweets from the CDC saying, quote, Holiday travel plans?
Stop spars by washing your hands and avoiding public places if you feel sick.
Another is, quote, practice good hygiene during your Thanksgiving travels.
Bring home leftovers, not spars.
These are very generic tweets the exercise planners came up with to include in the scenario.
And if a passing similarity between these tweets and things the CDC would eventually tweet means anything to you, you're grasping at straws.
And that's pathetic.
These two scenario exercises prove literally nothing for Alex, but they're accepted as proof of this grand conspiracy in Infowars world.
But this is all just laying groundwork, my man, because Alex and his crack team have uncovered something new.
Something terrifying.
Alex has very bad news for all of us.
We're all gonna die.
jordan holmes
Okay, so here's my pitch to the Hopkins' universities and so forth.
I don't think these are bad ideas to have tabletop exercises.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
And they sound fucking awesome.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Everything about the way they're doing it is wrong, though.
What we need to do, highly televised.
This should be Monday Night Raw levels of like, oh, these people who run these things, they're celebrating.
We're cheering for them as they walk in.
Sorry!
I'm doing everything.
dan friesen
Here's the issue.
I don't think it's for lack of trying that it's not.
Like, most of these, their whole sessions are available on YouTube.
You can watch their whole game.
jordan holmes
Wrong.
Yes, I understand, but we need to make it...
We need a salesperson.
We need a pitch person to really take this into the next level.
But they're not interested in pitch people.
They're not interested in the goddamn...
I'm losing all of it.
dan friesen
I think they're...
jordan holmes
OxiClean?
What am I doing?
dan friesen
Billy Mays?
jordan holmes
Yeah, they're not interested in Billy Mays.
dan friesen
Vince?
Slap Chop guy?
jordan holmes
Slap Chop would do it.
Slap Chop gets us to a better vaccine.
That's the truth.
dan friesen
I don't think that...
I'm going to agree with you fully.
But I am going to say that I think that these things maybe should be more interesting to people who are not like...
Bookish nerds.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because if you see something like this and you don't really understand the full context of what scenario exercises are and how they're used in a lot of corporate settings, I think that it has the ability to look really like, oh, what are they doing?
This is weird.
And the names are supposed to be fun for people who work in these dorky environments.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So you have things like Event 201.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And all of a sudden it becomes something scary when it's really just nerdy.
jordan holmes
Right.
I think there's a fundamental thing that people are not understanding about the divide, which is it's not like the smart people versus the dumb people.
It is the people who are resentful of you for doing things and not making it clear to me.
I get that you're talking smart at me.
And it's like, that's America.
Eventually you're going to run into the half of America that gets mad at you for talking smart at them.
And here we are.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think it probably requires a Billy Mays on one side.
jordan holmes
That's what I'm saying!
dan friesen
And then the people who are mad about people talking smart...
jordan holmes
Marry the two of them together.
dan friesen
But they also have to chill out a little bit.
jordan holmes
Everybody's got to chill out a lot.
dan friesen
Well, that's not going to happen if you bring in Billy Mays.
unidentified
Well, that's fair.
jordan holmes
But he'll do all the not chill stuff for you.
Everybody will go, oh, we can chill out.
Now that guy's on overdrive.
dan friesen
Okay.
Maybe.
So, like I said, they figured out something big.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Something new.
jordan holmes
That's right.
dan friesen
We're all going to die.
jordan holmes
We're all going to die again.
Did you know that?
unidentified
Which...
jordan holmes
From which to which death?
dan friesen
This one's a real one.
I'll tell you that.
I don't know what time it is, but it's real.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
So, I am sure of it.
It mirrors what they did five years ago.
It's the same document, the same operation, the same group.
jordan holmes
Then why do it?
Just reprint it?
alex jones
I'm not even sure of it.
It's a fact.
They're doing it.
jordan holmes
That doesn't sound right.
alex jones
And...
Again, you have to roll it out to your system and to your administrators and to the media executives a few weeks before you go live.
What did Hotez say a month ago?
When Trump, day one, has a new pandemic crashing down on him and he throws out 11 things but doesn't tell you the thing that they put in their real battle plan a month and a half before in October.
Catastrophic.
Contagion!
dan friesen
There's another tabletop exercise.
Catastrophic contagion.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So we know from experience that Alex Jones does a lot of preparation.
He works and studies the globalists like 15 hours a day.
He lives and breathes this stuff.
When he's on vacation, he's just...
jordan holmes
At least four or five hours a day, and that's vacation.
dan friesen
Exactly.
So when he says something like, I'm sure this is the plan the globalists are rolling out, that carries weight.
jordan holmes
It does.
For real.
It does.
dan friesen
He and his amazing staff have uncovered another scenario exercise from Johns Hopkins, which is on their...
This one's called Catastrophic Contagion, and the timing is just too perfect.
As Alex points out, it happened on October 23rd, and just after that you see Peter Hotez go on TV and say that Trump is going to have a public health crisis to deal with.
He's talking about Catastrophic Contagion, the plan that's in effect because he just got the marching orders from that scenario exercise.
Right.
unidentified
So there are two critical problems here.
dan friesen
The first is that Peter Hotez wasn't one of the participants in the catastrophic contagion exercise.
Wow.
unidentified
Unfortunately, none of the people who are actually in it are established villains in Alex's comic book storyline, so he had to fudge that detail.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's tough.
dan friesen
Second problem is that this scenario exercise took place on October 23rd, 2022, not 2024.
Ah.
unidentified
Alex doesn't even realize that he's already done this coverage.
dan friesen
No.
unidentified
As you hear in this clip from...
dan friesen
Jesus Christ.
alex jones
So, you're in the year 2022.
Epic things are happening.
Incredible things are unfolding.
And Bill Gates says they're wargaming a new virus that is going to kill the children.
And if you study his previous operations, he's done this over and over again.
But he's just the front man.
So it's a big deal.
Catastrophic contagion, Bill Gates, John Hopkins, and the WHO conduct another pandemic simulation with deadlier virus that targets children.
dan friesen
Alex didn't even check the year on this scenario exercise because he got excited about how, if it was from 2024, it would match up really well with Hotez's TV interviews, and that could really scare the audience.
jordan holmes
That'd be really helpful.
dan friesen
This is a critical point.
The storyline is the primary piece of information here, and reality is bent to conform to the narrative.
The story is that the globalists do these scenario exercises in order to wargame their battle plans, and then the minions like Hotez come out and make veiled threats in the media, which only Alex is smart enough to decode.
Catastrophic Contagion, as a scenario exercise, doesn't really help make that case if it happened in 2022, but it creates the appearance of a timeline if it happened in 2024.
When Alex sees this catastrophic contagion, he instinctually fits into how the story could be told.
It would be convenient for the narrative if this exercise was right before Hotez's interviews, so that's the reality that's presented.
jordan holmes
That's the way you do it.
dan friesen
It doesn't matter that Alex covered this story over two years ago if it helped make his job easier to pretend it just happened.
Then it just happened.
That's the way we go.
Anyone who defends the way he handles information, I would love to hear them explain this one.
Tucker.
Hit me up.
Rogan, hit me up.
Give me an explanation for why this is okay and how Alex is really more accurate than the mainstream media.
How do you defend this?
jordan holmes
All right.
So if reality isn't cooperating, then as a man, you choke it out.
You just choke it out.
And then you're like...
And then it does.
dan friesen
I guess that's about the only explanation you could give.
jordan holmes
MMA style.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's how it goes.
Your ground and pound has to be really solid to defeat reality.
dan friesen
If you do believe that you can exert a forceful impact on reality, then yeah, I guess.
jordan holmes
Yeah, what you have to do is create a machine that deals with the Higgs field, and then you can go back.
And readjust things to where the observer effect gives you the stuff that makes it 2024.
dan friesen
Well, I'm using Max Planck's equations to watch one of your shows for 2022.
unidentified
That's a good one.
dan friesen
And you have...
jordan holmes
That'll happen.
unidentified
That'll happen.
alex jones
Echo.
jordan holmes
That's an echo in time.
We've all lived through that.
It's like when the cat shows up in the Matrix.
dan friesen
You dumb dick.
jordan holmes
You've done it.
Choke out.
unidentified
This is...
dan friesen
So pathetic.
jordan holmes
That's what I've got.
I've got MMA for you.
That's what I've got.
dan friesen
I just was shocked that Alex is trying to pass this off.
It's very sad.
jordan holmes
See, here's the thing.
I'm not shocked because I think he just genuinely forgot that this is what he did before.
dan friesen
I guess I'm shocked.
Shocked isn't the right word.
I'm a little bit shocked.
jordan holmes
I realize now where we're at.
dan friesen
But it's surprisingly obvious.
Yes.
It stands to present him in a really bad light to any of his audience that's paying attention.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that seems to me, like, kind of sloppy.
jordan holmes
You should be shocked.
And it is only because we are trapped beneath a million miles of shit and mud that we don't even feel shock anymore at things that should be very shocking.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex goes on talking a little bit about catastrophic contagion.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
And how it's going to kill us.
unidentified
It's going to kill us.
jordan holmes
It's contagion.
alex jones
Catastrophic.
Contagion.
Because they don't want other independent media to investigate it and to spotlight it and to look at it.
Or anybody, an independent medical group, to go get samples of it, to put it under an electron microscope or in a CRISPR system to see if it's man-made like COVID.
They want to hit you flat-footed.
So they got to wait to the last minute and give their orders and roll out their operations.
And 14 days before...
Trump being inaugurated is, in the time frame of politics and the world, the blink of an eye, it's a sucker punch.
But it's not a sucker punch to us.
dan friesen
So it's a last minute sucker punch at the Trump inauguration.
But not to us.
Well, because they've emotionally prepared.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It is a last minute sucker punch in terms of the catastrophic contagion.
Right.
And then Potez coming out and announcing the plans.
Except it happened two years ago.
jordan holmes
Right.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So this is going to pay dividends.
I believe that.
This tree shall bear fruit.
jordan holmes
Okay, okay.
I'll trust you.
dan friesen
So the issue is that there's all these public health things that could happen.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You know, like the bird flu.
jordan holmes
There's an infinite number of them because they haven't happened yet.
So it could be literally anything.
dan friesen
But no one got excited by the bird flu.
And so, like, they're doing this instead.
jordan holmes
Right.
alex jones
And I said the last few months.
jordan holmes
Because no one got excited.
alex jones
They're going to have some new virus up their sleeve.
At the Bill Gates CIA drill at John Hopkins, that was the last drill that was the launch operation in late 2019, the virus they sent out of China, a corona respiratory, was exactly what it was.
And so I said, will it be this?
It'll probably be China.
I've said that a bunch the last month.
You can go find the clue.
jordan holmes
You've said that a bunch the last 20 years.
alex jones
The point is, is that that's what they've done.
dan friesen
That's the point.
So the 2019 exercise that Alex is talking about is event 201, which didn't feature a respiratory virus out of China.
It was a coronavirus that appeared in Brazil.
If you want to say that this document is suspicious because it's so closely mirrors what ended up happening in the real world, then you need to be accurate about the details that you claim are similar.
When you fuck up really basic details, it makes it hard to take anything seriously.
And that's kind of a problem.
For what Alex is doing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, it is like the most weaponized version of the knowing just enough to hurt yourself kind of situation.
Like, people know just enough about viruses and such.
From our educations throughout, you know, our lives that we only know enough to cause ourselves problems by not understanding what the fuck is actually going on.
You know, like, we understand that there is a word called coronavirus.
I get that that's a strain of viruses or whatever.
But, like, I still don't really know what that is.
I just don't.
And I probably never will.
dan friesen
You know that corona means crown.
jordan holmes
See, there we go.
I don't know what that means.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
See?
dan friesen
But that's your choice.
jordan holmes
Sure!
dan friesen
You can learn a little more if you wanted.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but it won't help me.
dan friesen
Probably not.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Well, it'll help you a little, but unless you go real far, it won't help you in any meaningful way.
jordan holmes
It'll help me a lot more if there's an MIT virologist who's like, I understand coronaviruses, and I go, cool.
You do what you do, buddy.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
The end.
dan friesen
Yep.
It's not an endorsement of blind trust.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
dan friesen
But it is a recognition that you can't be a virologist and everything else you want to be in your life.
jordan holmes
I can't know everything.
I just can't.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's just not possible.
jordan holmes
It's just not possible.
dan friesen
So when Alex says, like, no one got excited about the bird flu or monkeypox, it's important to recognize that what he's talking about is his audience didn't get scared enough about those things.
So when he says that, like, Bill Gates is going to have to roll out another thing, he's saying this didn't really push things the way COVID did, and we're going to need something bigger.
That's why he tried to do the Ebola thing last year, and what's behind his, uh, there's something big coming.
jordan holmes
There's a lot of, like, undertones of sweeps week.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, like, oh, Gates is looking for a high Q rating, so he's got to hit us with something, and it's like, no.
You're the one interested in ratings.
You understand that.
dan friesen
And that's why this actually kind of goes back to Sunday episodes of the past where he would try things out.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
This feels like a pitch.
jordan holmes
A soft launch.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Because it's stupid.
It's dumb.
It's on Sunday, so you could abandon it if you need to.
jordan holmes
Don't even need to pay attention.
Tomorrow's a new week.
dan friesen
Right.
Yeah.
So Alex is going on about the catastrophic contagion.
Sure.
And I think during this clip...
You can hear him realize that it happened in 2022.
I think if you pay attention, you can hear it.
jordan holmes
You can hear the moment.
alex jones
So you want to go to the catastrophic contagion page that's duplicated at John Hopkins, Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, Center for Health Security, and you've got to read the public stuff they put out.
On catastrophic contagion.
The John Hopkins Center for Health Security, in partnership with the WHO and the Bill of Melinda Gates Foundation, conducted catastrophic contagion.
jordan holmes
When?
alex jones
A pandemic tabletop.
They've done it over and over again in October of 2023.
October of 2022.
October of...
2024.
And as they honed it after COVID, their new attack.
And in it, it attacks children.
And it's a specific type of respiratory virus that now just magically arrived, they say, out of Brazil and China in the last few months.
But here they are, three months ago.
A year ago, two years ago, having drills, and when you read each year, it's the same thing.
Here's powerful report.
Bill Gates' next pandemic to target children.
March 5th, 2023.
Infowars.com.
unidentified
Oops.
dan friesen
So this is, like, that's a person lying.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You can hear lying.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He has to accommodate.
As he's going through this, because he realizes, oh fuck, I'm wrong.
So, I think that it's critical, like, if our show can do anything, it's show clips like that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, that is what deceit is physically like.
He's cold reading this information about Catastrophic Contagion, and Alex accidentally sees that the exercise took place in 2022.
Immediately, he knows that he needs to wallpaper over this, because the whole narrative is built on the idea that these exercises are the battle plan that was done just before launching the attack.
They did Event 201 in 2019, then released COVID.
If catastrophic contagion didn't just happen, then the entire structure of this conspiracy storyline crumbles.
Alex understands that, and the preservation of the storyline is more important than truth or reality, so you can hear the gears turning and him decide to run with the idea that they do catastrophic contagion every year.
He thinks this saves the ship, because now, it could have happened just before Peter Hotez's interview, but in reality, this actually creates more problems for Alex.
These scenario exercises are supposed to be the planning for attacks that are about to be launched, but if they do this every year...
Where were the attacks that happened in 2022 or 2023?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's encountering fundamental problems with trying to make it make sense.
His instinct is to bluff his way through and patch up these plot holes as he goes, but in this case, he's covering up this hole by making a much larger hole in the process.
It doesn't matter, though, because he doesn't believe any of this to begin with.
It's just the most effective way he's found to keep the audience scared these days, so this is the ball and how it's gonna roll.
Now, one of the things that I think is really super funny is that you said, like, When did they do it?
And that's when he doesn't say the date.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
But he says October 2023.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And the reason that he does that is because it's October 23rd, 2022.
unidentified
Oh my God.
dan friesen
So he sees the 23 first.
jordan holmes
Oh my God.
dan friesen
And then there's that pause and he can almost tell that what he's doing is thinking like, how do I make this work?
Can I get away with saying it happened in 2024, too?
jordan holmes
Why not?
dan friesen
All right.
They've been fine-tuning it over the years!
jordan holmes
Honing it!
Honing it!
That is legitimately, like, what I hear when he's doing that is a car hurtling toward an off-ramp, and there's that...
Join right there with the water barrels.
And he just barely misses the water barrels and, like, scrapes his entire side of the car against the wall.
And he keeps driving just like, man, I nailed that.
With one half of a car.
dan friesen
I'm great.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm the best!
dan friesen
And they said I couldn't drive drunk.
jordan holmes
They said that you can't drive drunk.
I barely even blew up!
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's just...
I don't know.
There's moments sometimes watching him that are just like, ah, staggering.
I see exactly what you're doing.
jordan holmes
You're supposed to be a better liar at the very least.
It is just so disappointing.
Like, I want to give you advice on how to scam better.
But the reason that you get into this line of work is because you're too lazy to work hard enough to do it right, you know?
dan friesen
I wonder, and I hate to send this kind of a message.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But, you know, he's talked a bit about how he doesn't drink anymore.
Right.
And I wonder if this is byproduct of him not drinking.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You would have been able to barrelhead further without regard.
The cranking of the wheels were so loud and squeaky.
You're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
You gotta put some oil on that thing, man.
dan friesen
Put some Tito's lube on those gears.
jordan holmes
Yes, absolutely.
Those hurt.
dan friesen
That sends the wrong message, and I think it's better for the world that he be sober.
Sure, sure, sure.
jordan holmes
What you gonna do?
dan friesen
You may not be as good at being a dipshit on your show.
jordan holmes
You know, if you practice drunk, you're not going to be better sober.
dan friesen
It may be the case.
So, we've got catastrophic contagion.
Obviously, this is what they're doing.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because, you know, timeline matches, they've been honing it over the years apparently now.
jordan holmes
Obviously.
dan friesen
But what is the disease?
jordan holmes
Honing, honing, how exactly have they been honing it through these tabletop exercises?
What part of the tabletop exercise allows you to hone something?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
dan friesen
He said it.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
dan friesen
But what's the disease?
jordan holmes
Good question.
dan friesen
You know, we had COVID.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That ended up being what Event 201 was about.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Alex has got this figured out.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
China.
jordan holmes
Just China.
alex jones
Facing new COVID-like pandemic.
Here's everything we need to know.
And then it goes in to describe the virus.
Here it is.
Human metanumonia virus, HMPV, is a respiratory virus that can cause pneumonia.
This means a viral infection in the lungs.
HMPV causes a mild infection similar to a cold with symptoms including fever, cough, runny, blocked nose, headache, and tiredness.
To some case, symptoms can progress to bronchitis and pneumonia.
HMPV spreads through respiratory droplets from coughing or sneezing, contact with an infectious person's secretions, or contact with contaminated surfaces.
HMPV is most commonly in young children, older adults, and people with weakened immune systems.
Like those that took the COVID vaccine, they admit on record in all the studies, does a race immune system.
There is no treatment for HMPV, but a health care provider can help manage the symptoms.
Treatment options are oxygen therapy, IV fluids, corticotypic steroids, which they would deny everybody the steroids and stuff with COVID.
But they tell us in...
The drill that they vary the names of, but they always put in a catastrophic contagion.
jordan holmes
Always.
Obviously.
unidentified
They have to.
alex jones
Oh, this is a catastrophic thing.
jordan holmes
Have to.
alex jones
And it's going to target children.
jordan holmes
Of course.
alex jones
And then they've got all these weaponized versions of it, and Bill Gates just keeps saying, oh, don't worry, this is going to hit kids.
And then now magically, here it is.
dan friesen
Don't worry.
Don't worry.
So I guess so far, the similarity that Alex has pointed out between the cases of HMPV in China and the fictional disease from the catastrophic contagion exercise is that they both affect children.
jordan holmes
I guess.
dan friesen
This is not a strong connection.
Children are susceptible to a lot of illnesses, and in order to draw this connection, Alex has had to lie about the catastrophic contagion being an annual exercise so it can be forced into an imaginary timeline.
Catastrophic Contagion was an exercise primarily targeted at leadership response to an emerging outbreak.
The SPARS one was about media messaging and mass communication.
Event 201 was about public-private cooperation in a crisis.
And this one is mostly about what the best engagement would be between international groups and national governments during a pandemic.
The exercise involved a fictional enterovirus that is popped up in the area of what is in the real world, Guyana and Suriname.
But they're called Nueva Esperanza and San Rafael for the purposes of keeping it abstract in the exercise.
One of the early questions that gets asked is about the point in the outbreak when the cases appear to be restricted to these two countries and it looks like containment might be possible.
In that situation, should the WHO recommend that they close schools?
Should they recommend restricting travel?
They weren't debating mandating anything, but whether or not it's their place to make recommendations for things that are national level leaders' responsibility to address.
So this is the kind of territory that was being explored within the context of this exercise.
jordan holmes
Should we step in if the people who run these places are fucking stupid?
dan friesen
But stepping in, does it look like how strongly do we make these recommendations?
jordan holmes
Build a dome on top of the entire thing.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
You obviously can't do that.
jordan holmes
Obviously.
dan friesen
But what is the...
Appropriate relationship between these international public health interested bodies and sovereign nations that can make their own choices.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
That is an interesting question in a lot of respects.
jordan holmes
New pitch.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
All right.
We build a gigantic, let's say, mid-sized country-sized dome that is easily movable using a lot of drones.
dan friesen
We know that most countries are the same size.
jordan holmes
About that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Medium size.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Normal-sized, if you will.
We're going normal.
Yeah, I mean, I guess, what would I say is a normal-sized country?
dan friesen
Russia, you are abnormally large.
jordan holmes
Too big!
America, too big!
You know, Central Africa, usually about the right size.
They know what they're doing, border-wise.
dan friesen
Luxembourg, France, unusually small.
jordan holmes
Too small!
What are you guys doing?
Get your shit together.
And then whenever an outbreak happens, we just drop it on the place.
It'll take care of itself.
We pop it off whenever they're done.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah, makes sense.
dan friesen
Cartoon solutions are always the best.
jordan holmes
I don't think they've not worked yet.
dan friesen
So look, I don't want to go too far into the weeds here, far off track, but I fucking love these scenario exercises.
jordan holmes
I believe you.
dan friesen
I think they're so fun, and if anyone ever invited me to one, I would go.
jordan holmes
Obviously.
Obviously.
dan friesen
I really hate the way that Alex misuses them.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because they're very interesting and they explore, generally, difficult questions.
And I don't think that the way that he handles information is equipped to look at it even...
On a surface level.
jordan holmes
I'm telling you, we get a big arena.
I'll do announcing duties.
Oh, ladies and gentlemen, coming from the north door.
He's got 10 years of experience in Doctors Without Borders.
And then he'd say, you know, like I could do that.
It'd be great.
He comes down to massive applause.
dan friesen
Then the next person you would give an introduction to is the guy who makes domes.
jordan holmes
That'd be amazing.
That would be a great introduction.
He makes domes!
Done!
dan friesen
So HMPV is what Alex has decided is the next COVID.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
He has decided that is the case because he is...
jordan holmes
Because he's decided.
dan friesen
...made up a bunch of stuff about catastrophic contagion, and I think he sees some money in this.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
So he brings out an InfoWars article about catastrophic contagion, which was from 2023.
jordan holmes
And at no point in time goes, well, this makes everything I'm saying right now pointless.
dan friesen
Well, no, because he's come up with the rationalization that they do it every year.
Sure.
He's already established that, so now...
jordan holmes
Oh my God.
dan friesen
Problem solved.
jordan holmes
I don't like that.
alex jones
And the best article I should have gotten to first is on InfoWars.com.
jordan holmes
Listen to his confidence now.
alex jones
By Jamie White.
When he first started reporting on this...
Three years ago.
Catastrophic contagion.
Bill Gates, John Hopkins, and WHO conduct another pandemic simulation with deadlier virus that targets children.
The John Hopkins Center for Health Security in partnership with the World Health Organization and Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation conducted another pandemic tabletop exercise in Brussels, Belgium.
And again, they continue to have these meetings and hype this.
And then magically, right on time, just like COVID was to stop the Trump agenda and bring in the globalist agenda, it happens again.
Go read the whole article.
What is HMPV, new outbreak in China, explained?
Many are concerned about the HMPV, formerly known as human metanemonia virus, have reports of new virus outbreak in China.
The agency admits there's a bunch of illnesses and deaths, but they say, don't worry, it's fine, though they have martial law provisions in place.
Sure.
And here it is.
Five years after COVID, new epidemic in China, which affects children and the elderly.
China says, yes, there's a spike, but it's not a pandemic.
But again, you got Hotez and the globalists saying, don't worry, trouble be hit by the new pandemic.
And now they're rolling it out the exact same way.
Oh, don't be afraid.
Everything's fine.
So you think they're liars because they normally are.
So you think, oh my God, it must really be bad.
It's all psychological warfare.
And then suddenly they'll tell you, okay, it is bad.
dan friesen
Okay, makes sense.
Totally makes sense.
jordan holmes
That makes so much sense.
dan friesen
This makes no sense.
jordan holmes
It makes too much sense.
dan friesen
The basic building blocks of this story are supposed to be that in 2019, they did Event 201, which was a planning session for the COVID release.
After that exercise, Fauci came out and said that Trump would be faced with a mysterious illness, and then COVID showed up to derail the Trump agenda.
According to Alex, history is repeating.
In October 2024, they did Catastrophic Contagion, which is the planning session for HMPV.
After that exercise, Hotez came out and said that Trump would face a mystery illness in his new term and now this HMPV shows up in China just in time to derail the Trump agenda again.
That's all good and well, but the exercise happened two years prior, and Alex has had to lie to say that it's an annual thing in order to just avoid admitting that he's making all of this up.
Alex's audience has such low standards that he can get away with this level of bullshit.
Fundamental details are being misreported in such a sloppy and self-disproving way that you really can't pay attention to what he's doing without realizing that he's just trying to whip up hysteria.
He has no information or helpful insights to pass along to the audience, he's just got a predetermined conclusion that he's supporting.
And, like, I think the thing that's interesting about this is...
It's so exactly what you'd expect from a liar, which is that you have an introductory argument, which is HMPV is COVID all over again, and I know it because of this catastrophic contagion.
That's your reveal.
And then as you're going through it, you realize, ah, shit, I don't have all the details about the catastrophic contagion thing.
That kind of...
Collapses my argument.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Underneath its own weight.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So let's pretend that the argument's about something else, which is they do this every year.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's just sad.
jordan holmes
It is an example of that, like, okay, well, the only reason that the coyote falls is because he looks down.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
So if I just don't look down, I'm good.
dan friesen
Yep.
Cartoon logic, again.
unidentified
It is.
jordan holmes
It is.
It 100% is.
dan friesen
So this is the new COVID.
alex jones
So when you saw the arrogance and confidence of Fauci five years ago, in January of...
unidentified
Longer than that, God, 2017.
Oh my God, I hate you so much.
What is that, eight years ago?
alex jones
Saying, don't worry, Trump will be hit by a new pandemic.
That'll cut him down to size.
And then you see Hotez a month ago saying it's going to happen.
And then you see all the emergencies start and all the emergencies being declared and the mask going back on and all of it.
I mean, they said he will be hit by it.
You will be hit by it.
They've said that's how they get their global government.
And so they have these events every year at John Hopkins.
And the last three years, they've been hyping up this particular type of respiratory virus that targets children.
And now it's here.
And then we've got all these other articles.
This is out of The Guardian, which is the mouthpiece of the New World Order.
Are we ready for another pandemic?
dan friesen
Yeah, so this is the world as it's being presented.
jordan holmes
Okay, so here's how I'm feeling about it.
I'm feeling like what is happening is, to his audience, he's like the guy at the pickup basketball game.
Where normal people play.
And you're picking teams, and this guy looks ripped.
He looks like he's got the body to do it, so you pick him.
And then you start playing the game, and you find out there's no hand-eye coordination whatsoever.
Just no grace, no smooth fluidity of movement, and everything they do is at full speed, and it's a brick.
And there is nothing less helpful to your team than this fucking guy.
dan friesen
He has no fundamentals, but...
Every now and again, he'll dunk and break the backboard.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's so fast and he can jump so high.
And you're like, but there's more to it, man.
dan friesen
He'll break the backboard, but the dunk won't go in.
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
He's like Shaq, but he misses.
jordan holmes
It's a disaster.
He's a horrifying nightmare.
dan friesen
Yeah, he sucks.
Also, the thing about Fauci in 2017 kind of undercuts the premise, too.
His whole timeline thing is completely off because that's before 201.
jordan holmes
Here's the problem with doing a tabletop exercise like this once a year.
One, why once a year on the anniversary?
Does everybody look forward to it?
Is there a potluck?
Whatever.
Fine.
But two, all you're really going to learn if you continue doing the same tabletop exercise is that life is filled with random bullshit.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, like, Event 201 and this catastrophic contagion are both done by Johns Hopkins, or hosted by them, but they explore different aspects of pandemic preparedness.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it would be stupid to just do the same thing every year.
jordan holmes
We're just re-rolling.
Oh, we're re-rolling.
dan friesen
Yeah, it'd be very boring.
Yeah, that's stupid.
But that's what Alex does.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So anyway, the globalists, their plan and the way they do this stuff is to say, eh, it's no big deal, and then tell you, oh, it's a big deal.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Right?
Because you remember, they downplayed COVID, and then were like, oh no, it's real bad.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
Because that's definitely 100% what happened.
jordan holmes
I don't recall that being what happened.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, circumstances changed, so messaging changed.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And maybe you could squint and see that as downplaying.
An emergency and then saying it's an emergency.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
So anyway, that's what they did with HMPV.
alex jones
But they've already got this thing rolling out.
They've already got it planned.
And here they are.
Oh, you won't let us save you from the new pandemic.
You won't give us complete power and control over your lives.
China reports new virus outbreak.
Hospitals overwhelmed.
So just three or four days ago, oh, there's not an emergency, fake news.
Now today, out of the Straits Times and Straits Global and Chinese newspapers, okay, new outbreak, hospitals overwhelmed.
Okay, so just like five years ago.
No, there's not a problem.
Okay, we're overwhelmed.
Okay, it's an emergency.
Within a week or so, it'll be okay, it's an emergency.
China downplays reports of new virus, HPMV outbreak.
That was January 3rd.
Business.
Standard.
Now, days later, no way.
China reports a new virus outbreak.
Hospitals are overwhelmed.
So, HMPVs, the new virus in humans, similar to COVID-19, is it?
What?
You need to know, the economists.
What is HMPV?
China's steps of emergency measures amid new virus outbreak.
That's today in the London Independent and hundreds of, oh, so wait a minute.
A week ago, oh, no, it's nothing.
So this episode was recorded on Sunday.
dan friesen
I'll read to you now from the New York Times on Tuesday.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
After this episode.
jordan holmes
After the episode.
dan friesen
Two days later.
jordan holmes
Two days later.
dan friesen
This is the comment from a World Health Organization spokesperson.
Quote, The WHO is in contact with Chinese health officials and has not received any reports of unusual outbreak patterns.
Chinese authorities report that the health care system Huh.
Sounds weird.
It sounds different than what Alex is saying, doesn't it?
jordan holmes
Wild.
dan friesen
Totally different.
So here's the breathless, panicking headline from CNN's coverage on Tuesday.
Again, after this episode.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Quote, rising HMPV cases in China are what we would expect to see in winter, healthcare officials say.
Here's the Washington Post headline, again from Tuesday.
Quote, overblown fears of HMPV cases in China reflect pandemic scars.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex was saying that the media had downplayed the HMPV outbreak, but now is saying it's a super serious thing, and yet when I look at the media, I'm seeing them explain that it's not that big of a deal.
That's weird, and I don't know how to make this fit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex specifically cited the Straits Times, which is a paper of record in Singapore.
So I went and I checked out their coverage.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Here is from an article titled, quote, should you be worried about an HMPV outbreak in China dated January 7th, two days after Alex's episode.
Quote, there have been signs of heightened public vigilance in China with more passengers spotted wearing masks on public transit.
However, there do not appear to be widespread fears about an HMPV outbreak in the country.
When the Strait Times visited two local hospitals in Beijing on January 6th, there was a steady flow of patients, but no long queues and facilities were not overwhelmed.
Visitors there told ST that same day consultations were definitely possible.
So that's the source that he actually said.
Sure.
Yeah.
here is that Alex is mixing up sources and headlines.
The headline that he actually says is, quote, China reports new virus outbreak hospitals overwhelmed.
That's from a blog called Strat News Global, which has a name that is suspiciously similar to legitimate science outlet Stat News.
I'm not super familiar with Strat News Global or their reputation, but I'll read you a little section from the article that Alex is talking about.
I'll let you assess things for yourself.
Quote, despite no official confirmation, social media posts suggested that China has declared a state of emergency.
An ex-handle known as SARS-CoV-2 wrote, quote, China declares state of emergency as epidemic overwhelms hospitals and crematoriums.
So to track this...
Alex is reporting on an article from Strat News Global, which uses as its primary source an anonymous Twitter account which has no proof of the claim that it's making.
If you go to this Twitter account and their post, their source seems to be coming from a Chinese blog aggregator site called abulowong.com.
This site appears to just post links from articles written by another outlet called Apollo News Network, and I have literally no idea who they are or what they're all about.
However, an article that they posted on the same day as the one that's the root of Alex's reporting is titled, quote, going to bed early can cure all diseases.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
So we're doing...
jordan holmes
Well, that's nice.
dan friesen
Yeah, we have some quality work here.
jordan holmes
I like that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
Mm-hmm.
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
The article that the anonymous account's tweet was based on was published on December 27th.
So Alex's argument about the timeline of covering up the outbreak, then taking it seriously, it doesn't even work if you just...
Believe everything.
Plus, I was poking around the Apollo news coverage of the outbreak, and I noticed a little bit of a trend.
They appear to have quotes from a bunch of primary sources, like random civilians who have seen or experienced something.
In some cases, they're cited as, quote, Miss Lee, a resident of Xinjiang, or, quote, Mr. Yang from Zizhou County.
However, the quotes from these people, they show up in multiple articles, and if you poke around enough, you'll find that these are not originally sourced quotes.
The blog is just taking comments from the Epoch Times and then re-reporting them.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
It appears that this blog has a very anti-CCP stance, and it may be involved with the Falun Gong folk.
Their editorial line seems to be that the Chinese government is covering up this outbreak, and they end one of their articles saying, quote, In August 2024, Master Li Hongzhi, the founder of Falun Gong, warned that the COVID-19 pandemic was mainly aimed at the Communist Party, and those who blindly followed the Communist Party defended the Communist Party and worked for the Communist Party.
Many people have died, including many young people.
Master Li also warned the world, stay away from the evil Communist Party and do not stand with the evil party.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
A lot of their articles also have a citation to the New Tang Dynasty television outlet, which is a media company started and run by Falun Gong followers.
So it took a little while to untangle, but you can see a pretty clear path of sourcing here.
There's a Chinese blog that's dubious in terms of its content who appears to be an arm of the Falun Gong movement that just recycles Epoch Times stuff.
They posted an article about hospitals being overrun on December 27th.
Mm-hmm.
which Alex is now exaggerating out to being this whole of the media.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Alex gets away with this kind of bullshit because it takes a while to track this kind of stuff down and figure out what he's talking about.
And he knows damn well that no one in his audience has any interest in doing that.
They just want to hear what he says and feel something accordingly.
They're not going to go and look and find, like, where did this claim come from?
Oh.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Oh, I see.
Maybe it's not that serious.
jordan holmes
Okay, so here's a thought, all right?
Now, as a species, right, clearly...
We are not prepared to handle the now, right?
So what if we all voluntarily go back in time and we, like, prove that we can handle something?
So, like, say we go back to the 1700s.
We all just, like, okay, we live in, like, these small villages and shit.
Do that whole thing.
But this time, we won't do the witch thing.
Like, and as long as we prove we won't do the witch thing, then we can advance to, like, 1800s.
You know, like, treat it more like a video game.
Like, but I don't know if we could...
dan friesen
I don't think we could.
jordan holmes
I don't think we could prove we wouldn't do witches again.
dan friesen
I don't.
jordan holmes
I think we would just do witches again.
So then we gotta go back further.
dan friesen
Tucker Carlson got attacked by a demon.
jordan holmes
That's what I'm saying.
We gotta go back further, and I swear to God, I don't think we could make it down from the trees, man.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
I don't think we could.
dan friesen
I would worry.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I would be very worried.
jordan holmes
It'd be a bad rogue.
If the human race was a rogue.
We would not do well.
dan friesen
No.
And I think that there's an important point that I want to just make here, too, which is, you know, there are cases of HMPV in China.
They are over what is normally expected.
Sure.
So it's not a non-existent thing.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
People should be aware, and, you know, I think that it's wise to, like, during cold and flu season, Why not take some precautions?
It's not the dumbest thing ever.
But also, I don't think that I see any real reason why people should be panicking.
Like, what Alex, the response that he's encouraging out of people is bad.
But pretending that there isn't a disease is also bad.
But also, it's not anything like COVID, because this is a known condition, and...
You know, those dynamics are very different.
I just...
All I see is desperation on his face.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yep.
Yep.
Yeah.
You know, I can't tell people what to do beyond don't do what Alex is doing.
How about that?
That's my pitch.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I guess what I'm trying to crystallize is like...
I'm saying he's full of shit.
But when I say that, I don't mean that there is no such thing as HMPV or that they aren't seeing more cases of it than they have in a past year or whatever.
I'm not saying that.
I'm saying he's full of shit.
jordan holmes
He's full of shit?
dan friesen
That's all.
jordan holmes
End of story.
unidentified
So...
dan friesen
Do you remember earlier you said you only know a little bit about science and viruses?
jordan holmes
I'm gradually learning less as we go along.
dan friesen
Do you want to feel really smart?
jordan holmes
I don't, but I guess I will.
dan friesen
I think you will at the end of this clip.
alex jones
Now, it's coming out in court that they did hundreds of different things we know of in different shots.
So some people got this, some people got that.
It was all just a giant weapon attack.
Some doses were super hot in certain areas, not to others.
Some were given saline, others weren't.
Called range-finding.
jordan holmes
Some doses were hot.
alex jones
It was a hot vaccine.
dan friesen
It's a leaky hot one.
jordan holmes
God, I hate this!
alex jones
I know the military, on average, got the very worst versions.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
And now most people that took it have had their immune system damaged or pretty much removed.
And then you bring in the next virus.
And then regular viruses are killing people at record levels because of it.
And it's all run by Bill Gates, who says he wants to depopulate you, and his dad was the head of Planned Parenthood and the head of the World Eugenics Society.
And the real name of his foundation is the World Population Control Foundation.
Look at the founding documents, 1999, of that new foundation.
It's not Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
You read the corporate filing documents, it's called the World Population Control Foundation.
And it says its goals to reduce world population, which he said.
So a guy that wants less people wants you to take a shot so there's more people.
I mean, come on, people.
jordan holmes
Wake up!
alex jones
You know, I told you guys get all these clips, and the crew is our saints putting up on me.
Because I've been a little bit of a monster today.
And I'm honest about it.
jordan holmes
Doesn't help.
alex jones
Because I'm an intellectual and I'm also controlled.
I make my decisions coldly.
My body, my lower limbic system is enraged right now.
Because I'm under attack.
And my children are under attack.
And my family's under attack.
And it looks bad.
It's all because the public has Stockholm Syndrome.
I can't believe this is happening to them.
If they try to declare here, which they say they're doing, and if Trump listens to his administration, if there's any bad guys in there, and the hospitals get the policy directors from the CDC not to give people the steroids and the IVs and the antibiotics, because you say, well, antibiotics for a virus?
It's the bacteria that carry in the virus.
And once you get cell damage from the first viral load...
It causes tissue damage, then bacteria invade that.
And then you've got to knock out the bacteria because during the viral bloom, they're what chews holes in everything so the viruses can get through the defenses and it weighs down the white blood cells having to take out the bacteria so they can't deal with the viruses.
I don't want to go into all of it, but it's fascinating.
jordan holmes
Oh, I want you to.
dan friesen
Please.
jordan holmes
Please go into all of it.
Because what you have just given me is one of the more insane things I've ever heard in my entire life.
dan friesen
Yeah, they're like partners in this.
The virus and the bacteria, they work together.
jordan holmes
I feel like...
dan friesen
One of them is the tank, the battering ram, and the other is the cat burglar.
jordan holmes
I feel like a Catholic priest in the 400s just explained sex to me.
Like, you...
Sir?
I don't think you know what you're talking about.
dan friesen
I'm certain.
Also, that Gates Foundation stuff is just something Alex half-remembered seeing in a tweet, and he's pretending that he knows it from researching their founding documents, because he's a fucking fraud.
unidentified
Yeah, yep, yep, yep.
dan friesen
He's fundamentally misunderstanding how microbes work, too.
Like, bacteria are alive, and they can reproduce on their own, whereas viruses are just packets of nucleic acid that require a cell to infect, which allows them to then reproduce.
It's possible for a virus to have bacteria as a host.
It's actually something that's been extensively studied, they're called bacteriophages, and like, this is not, I just, it's overwhelmingly dumb, what he's saying.
Yep.
Needs the bacteria to chew in.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
No, you would be infinitely better off knowing absolutely nothing about viruses than to know one-tenth of that.
That is a negative information loop that will remove information from your brain and throw it into the trash can that you need and replace with that.
Like a fucking virus!
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But if you have that virus, you don't take antibiotics.
jordan holmes
I don't even like hearing these words.
dan friesen
Well, you got to.
Because your white blood cells are tired from fighting all the bacteria.
jordan holmes
Don't say that to me.
You have to.
No, don't say your white blood cells are weighed down.
dan friesen
Well, it's like, you know, you ever try to walk in wet clothes?
I mean, I do.
It's like that.
You got to take the antibiotic to dry off your clothes.
jordan holmes
Somehow you're hurting me now.
unidentified
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
Get ready for more.
alex jones
When I was young and dumb, I'd go to the doctor and say, man, I got a viral infection.
They do the test.
I wouldn't just take antibiotics.
I want a test.
Sure, well, just give me antibiotics right now.
And I'd say, ah, that's not for a virus.
And then I got older and read all the literature, and it's like, no, you take an antibiotic with a viral infection because that's how the virus gets in.
It's already in and replicated, but it doesn't matter.
The point is they denied people antibiotics during COVID.
People need steroids immediately with whatever this stuff already hitting on the East Coast.
It's bad.
I've talked to the people involved.
Hospitals are full.
Death, you name it.
And we've been hit by lots of this stuff before.
It killed my uncle and other cooked up things 10 years ago.
I was there in Palestine.
Biggest town near where our family ranch is at.
He was like Popeye, tough as an ox.
67. My mom's older brother.
William Forrest Hammond.
Great.
Best guy I ever knew.
John Wayne, for real.
And the hospital was just full of dead bodies.
They were just wheeling dead people out.
It was like Day of the Dead.
And they said, we've never seen anything like it.
And it's all over the country.
And the callers were calling into the death.
But back then, the media, the globals were testing, not telling people.
They'd already launched a plug then.
jordan holmes
That was their testing?
alex jones
I talked to scientists that they'd seen that that'd been a weaponized ammonia.
dan friesen
Oh yeah, that makes sense.
So we're already in the it's over for humanity levels of sensationalism.
Like on the East Coast, everyone's already dying from HMPV.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
They're gone.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
They're gone.
And we're being tested on by not knowing that the entire East Coast is gone.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
How fast is information?
dan friesen
See, and this is weird, because data from the CDC shows that HMPV rates are actually much higher in the Midwestern states, like Missouri, Kansas, Nebraska, and Iowa.
This isn't a new virus, and it's not unexpected that there would be cases of it.
People should obviously take health precautions just in general and be responsible, but from all the available information, it doesn't look like this is any cause for panic outside of just being...
Careful.
Alex is going pretty hard at this pretty fast, and I think that he's going to leave himself room where he needs to backpedal.
We've talked about Alex's uncle and how much Alex is exploiting his memory in the past, so I don't particularly care to get into it too deeply, but I was looking into this a little bit, and I found an article that I wanted to share with you.
This is from the Allentown Reader from February 1st, 1898.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
It's about a different William Hammond dying.
Hey, why not?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, you're there.
dan friesen
So here's the headline.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Quote, harvest of death, the old and young gathered in by the great reaper.
jordan holmes
All right, now that's a headline.
That's a crazy headline.
That's how you do it back in 1898.
dan friesen
I thought that was a pretty dramatic way to open the obituaries page, but then it got even more insane because I was reading through them and...
All of the people who died were old.
They said, quote, the old and the young because one of the people who died was named Margaret Young.
So it was like whimsical wordplay.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
In the obituaries page.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Yeah, I thought that was amazing.
jordan holmes
You know, they weren't busy and a lot of people were dying all the time back then, so there was probably a different relationship with death.
dan friesen
And I think people were hungry, like the writers were hungry.
jordan holmes
They needed something, yeah.
dan friesen
Express their creativity.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Man.
dan friesen
Anyway, Alex's uncle got killed by a plague that the globalists did.
And also his grandmother.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
They tried to get her, too.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
My grandmother died at 92, but she was in a wheelchair.
Beautiful woman from the mid-50s on.
jordan holmes
That was when she was beautiful?
unidentified
Or...
jordan holmes
Never mind.
Okay.
We'll just let that go.
alex jones
She was in an iron lung.
unidentified
A beautiful one, or...?
alex jones
And...
Her doctor told her, he said, Benny, Benny Grace.
He said, Benny, I'm sorry.
Yeah, it was this second live polio shot we gave you.
It's been giving everybody polio.
jordan holmes
What a strange day!
alex jones
People, it's in the medical literature that most polio was causing the vaccine from the start.
It also had a SV40 cancer virus in it.
And the COVID shots had that.
Just type in...
SV40 cancer virus in Moderna Pfizer shots.
You'll get mainline, harbor, name it.
SV40, contamination in Moderna Pfizer shots.
And a couple hundred other deadly ones now.
dan friesen
So there's not SV40 contamination in COVID vaccines.
That was something that was true of some early polio vaccines, but it stopped in 1963.
It's conceivable that Alex's grandmother would have been the right age to get an early polio vaccine, and she very well may have gotten one that had an SV40 contamination, but even in the unlikely case that that's true, no doctor would have told her that her polio vaccine gave her polio.
jordan holmes
That would be insane.
dan friesen
I really, really doubt that.
Vaccine derived polio is a real thing, but it doesn't work like this in the real world.
However, it does work like this in an anti-vaxxer's imagination, which is where this story comes from.
Alex has created a personal anecdote to be the emotional decoration that he uses to make these idiotic beliefs seem more resonant and convincing to the audience.
We've talked about it before, but the only way that pieces of this story could be true are if Alex's grandmother was a victim of a very specific fuck-up, where Cutter Laboratory sent out an incorrectly prepared batch of the polio vaccine.
There were sizable numbers of people who got polio that way, but the number of people who developed a condition that would involve an iron lung, I think it was like less than 200 people total.
I think it's very unlikely that Alex's grandmother is one of those people, but if that's the case, it's very sad, but also doesn't prove that vaccines don't work.
It's just a safety standard issue and the laboratory fucked up.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I don't know.
I don't buy all these details.
I think it's full of shit.
jordan holmes
You know, sometimes when you read about the past...
And then you hear something that's so patently insane that you're like, there's no way that that's real.
Like the guy who goes around in the past giving people lobotomies.
Just like in a van.
Just like, hey, I'll chop your brain out.
You know, that kind of thing.
And you go, there's no way that somebody would go up to that man whose job is to lie to you and say that whipping a wire around inside your skull is going to make you feel better.
But man...
I bet they did.
I bet they did happily.
I bet they were like, oh yeah, see, because viruses, because your white blood cells, they get weighed down.
dan friesen
Right, it's like wearing wet clothes.
jordan holmes
Absolutely!
So you gotta have a little piece of your brain ripped out.
Duh!
What are you, stupid?
dan friesen
I mean, when you put it that way.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah, now I'm convinced.
dan friesen
So Alex is committed now to the HMPV.
jordan holmes
Well, at least he is for this Sunday special report.
dan friesen
Yeah, and that's meaningful.
jordan holmes
That's forever.
dan friesen
No, it's very important.
alex jones
He analyzed the enemy attack.
It's not going to be the bird flu.
That's the target of the food supply and just the first emergencies in place.
jordan holmes
Idiots.
alex jones
And they wanted to use that to get Congress to pass the emergency funding.
unidentified
Of course.
alex jones
And it's going to be this new respiratory virus.
dan friesen
It's not new.
alex jones
And that's what's been the main thing in their war games.
unidentified
HPMV.
alex jones
That they're now hyping up in China.
So I'm going to come back, and then Chase is going to still come in and do some.
And I guess the streams are still up, so I won't have to go to the Alex Jones Network and do the show.
But just thank you all, and just pray for a global awakening.
It's already happening, but just pray for more of it.
All these little side issues, quite frankly, don't matter.
This is the number one issue, my view.
dan friesen
This is the number one issue, catastrophic contagion and HMPV.
jordan holmes
Well, if it's the number one issue on this Sunday, I guarantee it's going to be the number one issue for the next years.
dan friesen
How about for the next 20 minutes?
jordan holmes
How do you think?
alex jones
They are pushing HMPV.
And if you look at the signature of how they're hyping it, what they're doing in China, that it's in the documents, that this is what they were predicting would show up.
It fits all the other patterns for COVID and then other covert events they've done.
And so I believe with near certainty that this is the big one.
And that doesn't mean it's really that deadly.
We don't know yet.
Or it could be totally made up.
But generally, they make something synthetic so only they can patent it.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry, what?
alex jones
And then they've also got the shot they're going to give you so that the vaccine looks like it's meant to do this because it's countering that, but it really does something completely different.
So it follows the exact pattern of COVID from who's behind it, how they're pre-programming it, how they're rolling it out.
And they may release something else or two or three or four things.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
I don't know that part.
But generally they do one thing at a time.
So let's just be clear.
They could change up things after this point, but right now, it's extremely formulaic.
dan friesen
Okay, man.
jordan holmes
That is the most hedging your bets.
Ultimately, as far as hedging your bets go, but also, none of this could happen at all.
That is a really big hedge.
That's a really big hedge.
dan friesen
Look, this is the big one.
But also maybe it's all fake.
jordan holmes
Maybe it's not real at all.
No, you have to know that it's real.
dan friesen
I can tell from all of my research and divine inspiration and things that God tells me that this is what the devil has planned.
unidentified
Now...
dan friesen
It could be totally different.
jordan holmes
No, see, but that can't be.
dan friesen
Maybe they'll do something else.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
I don't know that part.
jordan holmes
You can have like, oh, maybe it's 70% as bad as what I'm saying it is right now.
You can't be, maybe it doesn't exist at all.
You can't have that.
dan friesen
I think Alex is proof you can.
jordan holmes
You can't.
You can't have maybe it's not even there.
dan friesen
Here's also the issue that I run into when I hear someone say, I don't know that part.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It raises a question in my head, which is, what part do you know?
jordan holmes
Right!
dan friesen
What is the part that is being conveyed here that actually you do know?
Because I hear nothing.
jordan holmes
How can you know any part if you don't know the very specific part of, is it real?
dan friesen
Might be fake.
jordan holmes
But you can't know any of the other parts because they're all dependent upon the very first part that you have to know.
dan friesen
Right.
My life is all about fighting the devil.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And I was raised in the womb by supernatural forces in order to fight the devil.
jordan holmes
I'm with you.
dan friesen
But also maybe the devil's not real.
jordan holmes
No, you can't do that.
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no, no, no.
Because then the whole rest of what you're saying means nothing.
dan friesen
Shit.
Well, have you tried CMOS?
jordan holmes
I have not, but maybe it'll help me understand you.
dan friesen
Yeah, probably.
jordan holmes
Sometimes you just go back to my old Midwestern roots.
About how you gotta have a foundation to build a house.
It's very simple.
Sometimes things are complicated, and sometimes if you're starting from a place of pretend, the rest of it is also pretend.
dan friesen
It's true.
And Alex's premise for this episode, the foundation that he's building a house on, is this thing he didn't check, which is the date on catastrophic contagion.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And because of needing to patch up that foundation that is bad...
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
He's now built all this on top of it, and it looks really fucking stupid.
But hey, man.
What are you going to do?
jordan holmes
You know, it's like the petunia, right?
So, you know, this piece of the boat, that doesn't fit, so I put a new piece of the boat on there.
Eventually, all of the pieces of the boat are replaced.
Is it still the petunia?
Or maybe it didn't even exist in the first place.
dan friesen
Maybe there's no such thing as a boat.
jordan holmes
Maybe there's no such thing as a boat.
How about that?
dan friesen
So I realized as I was listening to this dumb bullshit that basically what you're hearing is Alex just kind of having a power fantasy of what he would do if he were in charge.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
alex jones
And so their main weapon is a new virus, and in the fear and the new poison shot, and if I was them, I would expect after COVID didn't work and backfired, still killed a lot of people, and they got a lot of power up front, but it backfired, boomerang, blew back.
If I was them, I'd release something far deadlier the next time.
And I was saying that four or five years ago, saying this is going to fail, they'll do something worse.
And then Bill Gates, about a year after that, was like, oh, the next thing will be a lot worse.
And everything I've been saying, I got clits of.
I just haven't played a lot of the clips because I've already played these damn things a hundred times.
You want to see them again?
Sure.
We'll play them.
dan friesen
So yeah, that's...
It's just his imagination.
jordan holmes
Okay.
So now we...
Of course we're going to still have witches.
So let's go back further, alright?
We go to the Bronze Age.
Can you not create patriarchal systems built entirely around weapons?
dan friesen
Unlikely.
jordan holmes
No, we're fucked.
I'm telling you, we're not making it down from the trees.
dan friesen
I think that it's so glaring at times how Alex is just imagining stuff.
It is just his fantasies that are being played out.
He's projecting what he would do with power onto his imaginary enemies and then writing stories to keep the audience kind of interested.
And that's...
Fine, I guess, if it's a literary thing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It kind of sucks the way he's doing it and convincing people it's real.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It doesn't exist outside his head.
He's just nuts.
He's just an idiot who doesn't read anything and is dumb.
jordan holmes
It is amazing how far you can go if that's who you are.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah?
dan friesen
So he...
jordan holmes
Something democratizing about that.
Anybody can be anything at the end of the day.
dan friesen
Yeah, if you just yell long enough.
jordan holmes
If you just do it long enough.
dan friesen
That should be inspiring to you as a yeller, as a championship yeller.
jordan holmes
I mean, it is worked out medium well.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex runs out of gas.
jordan holmes
Yeah, fair.
dan friesen
He is...
You can really feel the vibe fall.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
In a way of like, let's get Jason here.
jordan holmes
And this is dumb.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
But not before.
He ends up getting a little bit like, I said all this forever.
I wrote Jesse Ventura's show.
He's a little bit like feeling under, people don't care enough about what he's contributed.
jordan holmes
Understood.
alex jones
I figured out their attack plan, and I wrote the episode of Jesse Ventura's conspiracy theory on global depopulation.
I wrote 90% of it.
jordan holmes
I wrote it.
85%.
alex jones
Like what the questions were.
jordan holmes
Or I didn't write it at all.
alex jones
Who to interview.
General Stubblebine's wife, former head of the army.
She used to be the main doctor to royalty.
I won't say where in Europe.
You can probably guess.
You look it up, you can find out where.
She won't tell you, but you can see who she treated.
And they brought her in and just thought she knew they were going to kill everybody in world government.
You know, they figure, well, this woman's been given to me as a physician off and on for years.
She certainly knows about the great calling that's coming that Prince Philip had talked about.
King Charles's dad.
They said he wants to come back as a virus to kill 80% of us at least.
dan friesen
Look it up.
So Rima Labo is the person.
She was, of course, famous for selling laminated vaccine cards.
jordan holmes
They were laminated.
dan friesen
Yep.
And I think this is really, really funny.
If you are a royal and you make an assumption.
That the doctor knows about your global depopulation plan, so you just loose lips talk about it?
jordan holmes
No big deal.
dan friesen
You are going to have a harsh talking to you later.
jordan holmes
Dr. Patient Privilege.
They can't tell other people stuff about the way you live?
dan friesen
I don't think that that extends to killing off the human race.
jordan holmes
Well, you would think that, but that's because you're not a doctor to the royals.
dan friesen
No, because doctor-patient confidentiality does not include, like...
Responsibility to avoid harm.
If you tell your doctor that you're going to go kill somebody, you don't have to keep that private.
jordan holmes
No, they have to.
Especially if you're going to depopulate the entire world.
dan friesen
Can you imagine how out you would be with the Royals if you did this?
If you were the person who was gossiping to Rima Labo?
jordan holmes
I mean, I don't know.
dan friesen
You are...
Out.
jordan holmes
You know, you can't, but you know you can't know with royals.
You can't know, because they're all fucking insane, you know?
That's why we get World War I. It's just a bunch of brothers bitching at each other.
That's that, you know?
And instead, people, we have all these rules and wars and all that stuff, but it's just people writing letters like assholes.
I don't know.
dan friesen
It's oversimplifying a tiny bit.
unidentified
A little bit.
dan friesen
Look, I'm just talking socially.
If you blab to Rima Labo.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Dude!
jordan holmes
You're not getting invited to the next party.
dan friesen
Like, if I'm one of the royals, and let's say you're that person who told Rima, I would immediately corner you.
Like, what the fuck were you thinking?
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You need to tell this lady...
jordan holmes
I mean, but you know what?
We have examples of this.
Like, you haven't watched The Crown, but this shit happens to the British all the goddamn time.
They've got idiot royals going around being like, ah, we killed her.
Like, they just do crazy shit like that.
And then the queen goes, ah, get back into your house.
And that's it.
dan friesen
Right.
But this plot is so big that if you are that loose with it, there would be so much evidence.
Of this plot.
jordan holmes
I mean, you almost have to think if you're that loose with it, you don't want it to succeed.
That's the only explanation for why you'd be like, hey, we're going to kill everybody.
To just anybody.
To a doctor!
A doctor!
dan friesen
You're just trying to freak him out.
jordan holmes
This isn't your person who wipes your ass for you.
dan friesen
The groom of the stool.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
This is your doctor.
The person who also goes to talk to other people all the time.
dan friesen
You think?
jordan holmes
Nobody's gonna believe the guy who wipes your ass.
Oh, yeah, the wipe-ass guy always says that you're a bad person, but we know royals are good people.
The doctor!
You gotta trust him!
Crazy.
dan friesen
So, um, we come to the end of this, and, uh, I mean, we're all...
Alex has cracked the case.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
He's committed to this.
jordan holmes
Unless he's not.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I think this is sad.
But I do think there's something really funny about the way you can tell he's trying to adjust to new information.
Like, there is an ideal version of the narrative that he starts with, and then it gets eroded by the awareness of effect, and he has to start adjusting and accommodating as the episode goes on.
And that's someone who's lying.
That's a liar.
That's what a lied thing does.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it is so much just the most obvious and transparent version of if I keep moving, you can't catch me.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know?
It's just that.
dan friesen
Yep.
And his audience responds to momentum as opposed to anything real.
jordan holmes
Too late.
Haven't heard that last thing.
Or maybe I did.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Nobody knows!
Nothing means anything.
dan friesen
And he's super lucky.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
So we'll be back with another episode, but until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
Indeed we do.
It's knowledgefight.com.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
We'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Neo.
I'm DZXClark.
I am the Mysterious Professor.
jordan holmes
Woo!
unidentified
Yeah!
Woo!
Yeah!
Woo!
steve quayle
And now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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