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#989: December 13, 2024

In this installment, Dan and Jordan take in a very special Friday the 13th episode, where Alex discusses the recent UFO invasion that has befallen New Jersey.

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alex jones
33:22
d
dan friesen
39:53
j
jordan holmes
26:34
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steve quayle
00:02
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Speaker Time Text
unidentified
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and George.
Knowledge fight.
I need, I need money.
Andy and Kansas.
alex jones
Andy and, Andy.
Stop it.
Andy and, Andy and Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy and Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your room.
Knowledge fight.
Knowledgefight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are.
alex jones
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What did you price about today, buddy?
dan friesen
I have a confession to make.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
This might be a confession that I've made in the past, but I'm going to make it again.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
I believe that Reese's peanut butter bars are better than the cups.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Wait, which bars?
dan friesen
This one.
Like this.
They make a Reese's bar.
jordan holmes
They make a Reese's peanut butter bar?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay.
First off, I've never had it.
I have no opinions.
dan friesen
I think that they have a better distribution of chocolate to peanut butter.
jordan holmes
Alright, I'm listening.
dan friesen
Try not to chew in the mic or anything.
I think that it's scandalous for me to have this perspective because Reese's Peanut Butter Cups are such a beloved institution in candy.
But I think that the ratios are a little better in the bar and that troubles me.
jordan holmes
I can see what you're saying.
dan friesen
And I've thought about this quite a bit over the last couple days.
jordan holmes
Have you?
dan friesen
Yeah, I have to own this position.
jordan holmes
I don't think it's bad.
Boy, wow.
Give me a second.
dan friesen
Got some peanut butter in the mouth.
jordan holmes
I do not believe it is bad.
dan friesen
That's all.
jordan holmes
I appreciate it, and maybe, you know what?
You could be right about the cup.
Comparison.
Not egg.
The Reese's egg beats all candies, perhaps, in the history of human...
I think that might be my position.
dan friesen
I disagree only for one reason.
And that is that the egg is too big for one bite.
jordan holmes
See, that's also part of why I love it.
I like a second bite.
I like to go back in there.
Ooh, that's the good stuff.
dan friesen
I think I actually prefer one bite.
jordan holmes
Yeah?
dan friesen
Okay.
And I think that that's what the bar gives you.
jordan holmes
I agree.
I think that's good.
dan friesen
So anyway, what's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
My bright spot, also food-related, it's Chex Mix time.
dan friesen
Yeah, got a couple bags from you.
jordan holmes
I made a couple batches, and listen, I was telling my wife.
Because she agrees with me.
She does not normally like Chex Mix.
And we have an honesty policy.
So if she's lying, this would be an interesting time to choose.
But I just make great Chex Mix, man.
dan friesen
No, I don't disagree.
You've brought over some in the past, and it's been great.
jordan holmes
It's just, I feel like this is a weird thing to take pride in, but I do.
I make great Chex Mix.
dan friesen
I think you curate ingredients well.
jordan holmes
Thank you.
dan friesen
Because, like, I think some of the, you know, you get a bag at the store of the Chex Mix.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And some of that stuff, you don't need it.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Some of it's a little bit superfluous.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
So I think that you do a good job of trimming the fat in that sense.
jordan holmes
What is the rye chip for at the end of the day?
It's for crunch.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
But it doesn't taste good.
dan friesen
It tastes okay.
jordan holmes
It tastes okay.
dan friesen
But a lot of that's because of the seasoning.
jordan holmes
But you know what?
When they go unchopped, they don't go like, oh, do you want to make a burger?
No, you've got to elevate it.
Well, I mean, if that elevates a burger, you've got to write it.
dan friesen
That's your secret ingredient.
jordan holmes
So I'm adding...
I'm adding...
Golden grams?
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Not golden grams.
dan friesen
No, teddy grams.
jordan holmes
Teddy grams.
That's the one.
Honey teddy grams.
And some, well, you'll see.
There's some pita chips and there's some veggie chips.
Two different batches.
You see what happens.
dan friesen
Veggie chips.
jordan holmes
You try them out.
You'll see what happens.
dan friesen
So today we've got an episode to go over, Jordan.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
This is maybe the most important and biggest episode that we've ever done.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
It's a shame this isn't episode 1000.
jordan holmes
Tucker Carlson hosts?
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Look.
This is stupid.
I believe you.
It's very, very stupid.
jordan holmes
I believe you.
dan friesen
But as I was listening to this, I'm like, just sort of the equivalent emotionally of throwing your hands up in the air.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
But it's also very important.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, we'll get down to business on that.
Okay.
Talk about December 13th.
Friday the 13th.
jordan holmes
It was Friday the 13th.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Nice.
dan friesen
That does not factor in at all.
jordan holmes
I can't imagine it would.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
But first, before we get to this episode, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
That's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, Cole, who wants to weird out his brother Chris by having this read out loud.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Ramona in Indiana.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
Thank you!
dan friesen
Stigray Blast!
Winston, listening to Knowledge Fight with you is a bright spot for me.
You've run a trot line across my heart, and together we will rise above our enemies.
By the way, did you guys know that the vaccine shrinks your butthole politically and nonviolently?
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
This is true.
jordan holmes
I wasn't sure if the last part was an aside to us, or if it was also part of the...
dan friesen
Well, it's important that people know.
jordan holmes
I thought I would add it.
That's why I did.
dan friesen
Yep.
And finally, have you or someone you've known been the unfortunate victim of a leopard attack?
Did you wake up to discover that, yes, a leopard really did eat your face?
Call Dwenthi and Renton to find out if you're entitled to financial compensation.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
So we've got the countdown going, of course.
We've got the countdown to the inauguration.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
We were worried that eventually this would turn into the final countdown.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And it actually has.
jordan holmes
Oh, wait, why?
But they won!
dan friesen
Well, because the final countdown's playing.
jordan holmes
Okay, well, that's fair.
alex jones
Ladies and gentlemen, my fellow humans here on this incredible planet hurtling through this spectacular universe full of consciousness.
I am your host, Alex Jones.
It is Friday, December 13th.
2024, we are 37 days, 23 hours, 58 minutes, 16 seconds, until President Donald John Trump, three-time winner of the presidential election, stolen from him and the people in 2020, returns victoriously from exile to the White House of the greatest country on Earth.
As we begin the journey to restore our republic and destroy the globalists.
dan friesen
I was just thinking, while he's doing that, I was so lucky that the first time I heard that song, I was really high.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I was stoned.
It blew my mind.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
It's kind of a bad, eh, song, but man, that first time?
jordan holmes
You know, I actually didn't hear it in its original form for the first time.
When I was in a pep band in the school, that was the school's fight song, is we would play Final Countdown, and I was a drummer, so the only thing I really knew was crushing that drum part, and then I found out that it was a real song.
And see, here's the thing.
We used to play it 130.
130, 140.
So for us, it was like...
Right, right.
You know, it was pep bandy.
And then whenever I heard it at the correct tempo, I was like, too slow.
Too slow!
dan friesen
It's not triumphant enough.
jordan holmes
105 to 110?
Get the fuck out of here, man!
dan friesen
When you're stoned and everything is in slow motion, imagine how slow it was for me.
jordan holmes
That must be 80. That must be molasses.
dan friesen
So anyway, the inauguration's coming up.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Now, I don't know how plugged in you are about this, because you've been getting off social media, you're not around the internet.
jordan holmes
The whole thing.
dan friesen
Do you know that there's...
Is there an alien invasion going on right now?
jordan holmes
I actually did because of our last episode.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Wait, no, no, no, no.
They were going to stage an alien invasion.
Is there an actual one?
dan friesen
Since then, the internet is all of flutter about an alien invasion.
jordan holmes
Do we have a confirmed alien invasion?
dan friesen
New Jersey is, it seems to be, ground zero of a bunch of drones being seen in the sky that people are calling UFOs.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And the internet has sort of been...
Getting a little bit out of hand about it.
jordan holmes
All right, so we're going to let Newark determine the future.
All right.
dan friesen
So a number of these things were, you know, obviously just planes.
Some of them were probably just commercial.
jordan holmes
Actual drones.
dan friesen
Human drones, like civilian drones.
jordan holmes
Not human drones.
dan friesen
Right.
But it's been the hottest topic on dipshit social media.
jordan holmes
It's great.
dan friesen
And so Alex, of course, is running real hard.
alex jones
I was going to bed last night.
At about midnight, and I do this maybe a couple times a month, but I sent a note to myself, and I also wrote on the bedside table, ask the question tomorrow, why has Elon Musk, because I went and looked it up when I was thinking about this.
It's been about 30 minutes looking for statements.
Why has Elon Musk said zero?
He says something about everything else.
I agree with about 99% of what he says.
Why has Elon Musk said zero about the UAV revolution, the UFO invasion, and that's what it is?
Why has he said nothing?
And I laid there in bed for another 30 minutes.
Saying, yeah, I'm going to have the show headline tomorrow be, why has Elon Musk been completely silent and said zero about this phenomenon that has the attention of the world captured?
dan friesen
So Elon Musk's silence has been deafening on the issue of the alien invasion that's ongoing.
jordan holmes
First thing, why have I not done that?
That's a terrible headline.
Rewrite the headline.
First note.
dan friesen
No, that's a great headline to write in your sleep.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
dan friesen
And who knows if it was God telling him to do that headline, because that seems to happen at night, right?
God tells him what time it is.
jordan holmes
I really wish God could edit.
It feels like God's struggling to edit these days.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Elon has not said anything about this.
Now, actually, I will say that later in the episode, Alex interviews a cat named Dark Journalist.
And he points out that a couple months ago, Elon...
Something about drones and stuff.
I've been corrected!
But also, in the course of their conversation, it is kind of discussed that Elon runs a private company that has a bunch of government contracts, and so he probably couldn't say things that are classified anyway.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And so he's kind of in on the cover-up, is the implication, but of course Alex isn't mad at him about that.
It's understandable, because he's got a business.
jordan holmes
Yeah, like, it is impossible.
Or at least, maybe it's possible.
I could be wrong about this.
But I feel like it's impossible for Elon to be who he is with the relationships and the power he has without also having government clearance, right?
Which means that he's been vetted by the government.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
They've looked into him.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
They've done the thing.
They did interviews.
And he said, yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know to what degree, but yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So he's in on it.
dan friesen
He knows something.
unidentified
He's got it.
dan friesen
If there's something to know, especially since he has a fucking rocket company.
jordan holmes
Right, and he's not allowed to tell you.
dan friesen
Yeah.
You have to assume that he knows and isn't telling you if there's this stuff going on.
jordan holmes
A big difference between him and Snowden?
Snowden did not own a rocket company.
unidentified
True.
jordan holmes
That's a big difference right out the gate.
dan friesen
That makes most of its money from the government?
jordan holmes
Yep.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Very different.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So anyway, Alex woke up.
Overnight, he had written down this note.
This is what I'm going to talk about on the show.
I'm going to ask some bullshit about why Elon isn't talking about this.
jordan holmes
Too long headline.
dan friesen
And so he got up.
What did he see?
alex jones
And then I got up at 5.30 in the morning.
First thing I did after I brushed my teeth.
As I was sitting there at the coffee maker, was I went to X, and I went right to Elon Musk.
And he just posted three hours before, at 2.30 in the morning.
Unlike me, he doesn't sleep.
dan friesen
Healthy.
alex jones
And he responded.
People said, oh, it's a joke.
No, no, it's not.
I'll give you my opinion, which I know is not my opinion, because I know his views on things.
I will decode this straight ahead and so much more today.
Big broadcast.
Share those links, Paul Revers.
dan friesen
I have some great insight into how Elon Musk thinks because I talked to a guy who sounds like him a couple times on my show.
And I pretend we're friends.
Yeah.
So yeah, Elon posted something about this and that's the news, I guess.
Not the alien invasion.
jordan holmes
Sure.
unidentified
Or...
dan friesen
This is pathetic.
jordan holmes
You know what?
Alex raises an interesting question.
All right.
So Elon Musk does not sleep.
And I think there's an instinct that people have to be like, oh, that's representative of how much he cares or of something.
Right.
But we want people to have sleep.
You can't make good decisions when you're not sleeping well, when you're not fully rested.
So then I thought, what if we have shift changes for president?
You know what I'm saying?
Eight hours every morning, eight hours midday, eight hours.
Everybody's working shifts.
dan friesen
That's what they do with the president and prime minister systems.
One is the nighttime.
jordan holmes
I like that.
I think that's great.
I think everybody's at peak ability.
dan friesen
It's prime minister o 'clock.
jordan holmes
That's what you want.
That's what you want.
Absolutely.
Oh, that's a guy making good decisions right now.
He's well-rested.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Five o 'clock, president gets a beer.
jordan holmes
I don't want...
unidentified
Check out.
jordan holmes
You know what?
They remember those commercials?
Like, oh, who's going to get the call?
I don't want anybody getting that call.
I want somebody who's awake and well-rested to have that call.
dan friesen
Makes perfect sense.
Night shift president.
jordan holmes
Absolute night shift president is a great TV show.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And maybe a direction we should go.
We're just bullshitting here, but it's not a terrible idea.
So, we got these aliens.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
They're invading UFOs.
Yeah.
And Elon posted a meme about it.
And that's news, of course.
jordan holmes
Big news.
dan friesen
But Alex has a strange take.
And I don't fully know how to prepare you for any of this.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Because I don't think it makes sense.
jordan holmes
I'll just allow it.
alex jones
The big question is, what in the hell's going on over every major U.S. city?
On a weekly basis, sometimes a nightly basis, the worst of the phenomenon is over New Jersey.
But it's happening over capitals around the world.
I hear some footage shot in New Jersey just two days ago, and that's one of these crafts that doesn't have its lights on.
Now...
jordan holmes
I'm sorry?
alex jones
I have studied this for 40 years, and I've interviewed...
All of the experts that I have researched that I believe are credible.
Like Greer and many others.
We're coming back on very soon.
jordan holmes
Pam Greer.
alex jones
And one of the best researchers, a dark journalist, will be joining us.
Coming up about an hour and a half from now.
An hour and a half will be with us.
So, that's coming up at 12.30pm today.
unidentified
But...
alex jones
I have a very...
Good idea what's going on.
In fact, I know a lot of what's going on.
And I can conclusively tell you that 99% of this is not other than human.
dan friesen
Okay, now that's interesting.
jordan holmes
Wait.
dan friesen
99% of the phenomena, these drones are, quote, not other than human, which is a weird double negative way to phrase things.
Also, it means that 1% of these are other than human.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Which I guess means there is a real alien invasion going on.
jordan holmes
100%.
dan friesen
It's not as big as the social media wants you to think.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's still pretty scary.
Also, I would say never live your life in such a way that you end up saying one of the best experts, the dark journalist, is going to be joining us.
Once you've gotten there, you fucked up long ago.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is indicative of a slide that's happening.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you know, I was wondering, and then I answered the question for myself.
Buckethead can't be the greatest guitarist, you know?
Like, Buckethead can be a great guitarist, but he can't be the greatest.
If you're one of the greats, You have a face.
That simple.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And Slash, I mean, I think also is evidence of this.
jordan holmes
Sure.
Has a face.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Mainly hat.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He's mainly hat.
dan friesen
But he has a lot of hair, too, in front of the face.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
80% hat and hair.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But he's still got a face.
dan friesen
20% face.
jordan holmes
And also, he's really not one of the greatest guitarists.
dan friesen
What about Wes Borland?
jordan holmes
At that, no arguments here.
dan friesen
He has a face.
He has fake contacts in, though.
jordan holmes
I think we've gone backwards.
Now we're just going by people who have faces and occasionally play guitar.
dan friesen
I associate Wes Borland with Buckethead.
I think Buckethead was in Limp Bizkit for a while.
jordan holmes
That sounds so true.
dan friesen
Probably true.
If it's not, we're starting the rumor.
jordan holmes
It feels true.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So, I don't know what's going on, like, if George Norrie won't answer Alex's calls anymore or something, but why do we have the dark journalist on here?
jordan holmes
I feel like people consider me a very black or white person.
And you know what?
I admit that sometimes things are not black or white, but I feel like sometimes things are, and one of those times is aliens.
It's either 100% not aliens or 100% aliens.
Even if there's a 1% of 90%, you know what I'm saying?
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
It's still all aliens.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I think that if you have a 99% of this is not other than human, and 1% of it is, I don't give a fuck about what you're saying.
jordan holmes
Don't care!
dan friesen
Because that 1% is probably way more important and you don't know shit about it.
jordan holmes
That's the most important part!
The alien part!
dan friesen
So, there are aliens.
Some of this may be aliens.
These drones in New Jersey.
And this is no big deal.
This has been happening forever.
jordan holmes
Since the Bible.
dan friesen
We go way back with aliens.
alex jones
That said, every ancient culture The ancient Chinese, the ancient folks in Mesopotamia, ancient Europeans, ancient Mesoamericans, ancient Africans, all have the same stories.
And all describe the same thing.
And if you look at it, it's right there in the Bible.
It's totally clear, and modern theologians try to do backflips and all sorts of gymnastics.
And acrobatics to not focus on what is all over the Old Testament.
And you read Ezekiel.
I mean, all of it.
It's over and over again.
Big giant ships land.
jordan holmes
In Ezekiel?
alex jones
Humanoid creatures on floating platforms come out and say, get on your knees and put something in their mouth.
And they take it.
Sweet in the mouth.
Bitter in the stomach.
Start.
Being able to communicate with these things after they take it, which is obviously lifting the veil.
And they've got all the big university studies they suppressed until about six years ago.
I was the first to break this on Rogan before they started declassifying it, but they have equivalent to astronauts in Japan, in the U.S., in Europe, all over, but those are the first that came out where they study under DMT drips and other things, mapping the Interdimensional gates when the veil is lifted because your brain blocks it from your visual systems.
There's a filter so you can operate.
If you're looking outside the third dimension, things would get a little bit distracting, wouldn't they?
dan friesen
You might just be hallucinating, Alex.
So, he has one interpretation to Ezekiel.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
So Alex is also leaving out an important detail from the text, which is that the vision of the Lord, it tells Ezekiel to eat specifically a scroll.
It's said multiple times, so the exact translation of eat might be a little bit questionable here.
It may have been a metaphor, seeing as this is in the context of a vision that this guy had, which is then being written in a text by other people later.
But yeah, maybe it's aliens.
Ezekiel's a pretty wild book.
Like, God makes him lie on his left side for 390 days, then on his right for 40 days, during which time he has to just He should think long and hard about this.
Okay.
unidentified
Quote, the word of the Lord came to me.
dan friesen
Quote, son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel who are now prophesying.
Say to those who prophesy out of their own imagination, hear the word of the Lord.
This is what the sovereign Lord says.
Woe to the foolish prophets who follow their own spirit and have nothing.
Your prophets are like jackals among the ruins.
Their visions are false and their divinations alive.
Even though the Lord has not sent them, they say the Lord declares and expect him to fulfill their words.
Have you not seen false visions and uttered lying divinations when you say the Lord declares, though I have not spoken?
Therefore, this is what the sovereign Lord says.
Because of your false words and lying visions, I am against you, declares the sovereign Lord.
My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and utter lying divinations.
So Alex might want to think about that with the amount of times that he says that God is speaking through him and he has magical visions from God.
If I were someone who did the kind of thing Alex did, and I read that in Ezekiel, I'd be worried.
jordan holmes
Right.
I disagree.
See, what I would think is, oh, this dude, the whole thing was he laid on his side for 430 days.
That is pretty much the same as waking up at 2.30 and knowing what time it is.
dan friesen
Well...
jordan holmes
I mean, it takes a long...
Obviously, it takes longer.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
I admit that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But, you know.
dan friesen
What about the shaving the beard and scattering it around?
They also killed a bunch of people, too.
jordan holmes
That's completely different from waking up at 2.30 a.m.
Now, killing a bunch of people, I will admit.
dan friesen
Desecrating the temples with the blood of people who are idol worshippers.
jordan holmes
If you kill people in a temple, your god is real.
I feel like that's true.
dan friesen
Or maybe it's just aliens who are coming down and they're like, ha-ha, I'm going to give you DMT and now you can talk to me.
Ha-ha!
jordan holmes
What is the Hebrew word for floating platform?
That was the thing that I immediately jumped to.
He said that in the Bible, in Ezekiel, there were floating platforms.
Did they have those?
What's the etymology on floating platform?
dan friesen
I don't know.
I don't think this is a conventional interpretation.
Maybe it's something that you'd see on Ancient Aliens, though, which I think might be a theme of what we're going to hear on today's episode.
jordan holmes
It does seem regular.
A lot of stupid shit.
dan friesen
So, this is just good, clean fun.
alex jones
Now, there's no such thing as a group hallucination, obviously, because it's not a hallucination.
And people don't need to be on DMT now to see what's flying around, and it's the exact stuff that people drew.
3,000 years ago in India, and 3,000 years ago in Egypt, and 3,000 years ago in China, and there's cave paintings in Europe of people standing on a hill, and you see flying saucers, and there's all these Aztec temples they dig up, and there's flying saucers, and there's what looks just like 747s with engine wings and windows.
There's rockets with fire shooting out the bottom.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
Look, just like Starship, Elon Musk.
jordan holmes
Just like them.
alex jones
So, obviously, this is the big enchilada.
And you've seen a giant long-term program in Hollywood and culture normalizing aliens and all different sorts of aliens, like the space bar.
Star Wars or Men in Black.
It just goes on and on and on.
It's fascinating.
But if you look at what's in the Bible, in Genesis, the same story.
unidentified
Is it?
alex jones
And the Jews were writing that down 4,000 years ago.
jordan holmes
In the beginning.
alex jones
Or longer.
It's...
The same story being told by the Aryans in what is Iran today, by the Babylonians, by all those cultures.
dan friesen
On the fifth day, God made Mos Eisley.
I don't know if that...
I think you could come up with better examples of trying to normalize aliens than the most wretched den of scum and villainy.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
I feel like that's not normalizing aliens much.
It's a pretty hostile environment, Mos Eisley Cantina.
jordan holmes
You know what?
I would ask myself this question.
If you are saying it's normalizing aliens...
Then why does it feel like the only people who are treated as people are people who behave exactly like humans?
dan friesen
And look like people.
jordan holmes
And look vaguely humanoid at least.
Everybody else is very clearly discriminated against.
And robots probably have a consciousness and a will of their own, and they are still slaves.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's...
Normalize is a funny word.
jordan holmes
Normalize is a funny word.
unidentified
I was listening to that and I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about?
jordan holmes
That is a very funny word.
dan friesen
I do like the idea, though, that there's these frescoes and all of this old art with rocket ships and people in a cockpit.
I was laughing at him for a second, and then I remembered First Encounter, or the third kind.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know when that came out?
jordan holmes
84?
dan friesen
I think it was in the 70s.
I think it might have been late 70s.
jordan holmes
It was in the 70s, shit!
dan friesen
But you know when it was filmed?
jordan holmes
No. 800 BC.
That does make sense, though.
dan friesen
It was on the shelf for a long time.
jordan holmes
You know what?
Let me ask you this question.
Do you want your holy book?
To also have other holy books say the same thing?
Or do you want your holy book to be like, nah, nah, nah, those guys are wrong?
dan friesen
I think you could make an argument for either in terms of spinning it.
Sure.
But also, I'm curious what you think Alex's point is here.
He's clearly talking about how we've seen aliens forever and aliens are in the Bible and all this.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So is that trying to build a defense that these crafts in New Jersey are aliens?
Because he said 99% are human, essentially.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So what is the point that he's trying to make?
jordan holmes
I feel like, inexplicably enough, that...
In this case, and not all others, Alex is saying, hey, everybody, calm down.
Relax.
We've been dealing with aliens since the Bible times.
You're still around.
dan friesen
Well, I think he wants some of that.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But then also, he wants you to be freaked out because the 99% that's human is obviously the globalists trying to do something.
So be scared of that.
jordan holmes
Folks, focus!
Don't worry about aliens if they exist and have reached Earth, which are the only important thing in the world.
dan friesen
If you're facing an alien invasion, this iodine ain't helpful.
But for my fake stuff, I can definitely get you into the revenue stream, so be afraid about that stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So he talks about these UFOs that are coming.
And we'll see if we can get a better picture of what he actually thinks, because it's a little bit all over the map at this point.
alex jones
And they're able to do...
Decipher the hieroglyphs and other ancient languages, and it's right there.
It says these entities came from, and they list what stars.
The entities said they came from there.
And that they're here for a reason, that they want to give us knowledge.
Now, that's in...
unidentified
all of the ancient legends.
alex jones
So when you see a bunch of things that look and behave like what people wrote about and told us thousands of years ago, and you look at medieval paintings at the Vatican and medieval paintings that hang in Paris, and you pull these up, just medieval paintings that show UFOs, and these are documented paintings that have been written about for...
Hundreds and hundreds of years that are, you know, hanging.
They weren't recently made in the last hundred years.
And it'll show the star that led the wise men to Jesus, one of the famous ones.
jordan holmes
Aliens?
alex jones
A perfect gray flying saucer.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry?
alex jones
With turtles flying above them in the manger.
And you look at it, and it's the exact thing people have been seeing.
Recorded continually throughout history, but really showing up in big numbers at the end of World War II.
dan friesen
Now, I thought at first, this man is a nut.
But then, I went and I looked at this painting that he's talking about.
And I happened to have a really good zoom function on my computer.
Like, I can enhance.
jordan holmes
You can really enhance.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
And I saw the...
It is a spaceship.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And it has a New Jersey or bust bumper sticker on it.
And I thought that that was a sign.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
The painting that is documented has a New Jersey bumper sticker on it.
jordan holmes
It does make sense.
dan friesen
New Jersey didn't exist when this was painted.
jordan holmes
It does bring me back to earlier when he was like, it's in New Jersey and all the other capitals of the world.
If it's just New Jersey, maybe it doesn't even matter if it's aliens.
dan friesen
I don't even think it's the capital of New Jersey.
I think it's outside Newark.
Anyway, if the consistent pattern in history is to be wary of spaceships that come to Earth saying they're from another planet and that they want to give us knowledge, I think we're in the clear.
So far, I've seen a bunch of idiots posting videos of airplanes on Twitter that they're pretending are UFOs, but I don't think I've seen anyone receive an offer of knowledge or some sort of promise.
I think Alex is a little overeager trying to chase this social media trend and get whatever attention he can out of it, and it's really funny.
So I guess after World War II, there were a ton of aliens hanging around offering knowledge, but I would have figured that the knowledge they would be offering was something like the atomic bomb, which the U.S. famously dropped in World War II.
I was excited to learn more about this, but we don't, really.
I thought we would get more fleshing out of this idea.
jordan holmes
Okay.
I ask you, you'd think the knowledge that we would gain would be some sort of weapon or war device, but perhaps...
Sure.
contacted uninterested in war didn't even believe that they were aliens kind of sarcastically was like oh you want knowledge tell me how to make the perfect omelette boom now we have it but no like healthcare You know what's crazy is that in that painting of the star?
dan friesen
Yeah.
Perfect chocolate?
Well, one of the wise men has a frying pan.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And you can see him flipping something.
jordan holmes
We three kings of omelette are.
dan friesen
Well, it's been a debate in history whether it's an omelette or a pancake.
jordan holmes
I mean, did they separate the whites?
That's the question.
dan friesen
You can't tell.
There's not enough detail to tell.
jordan holmes
Then what's the point of painting?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So anyway, a lot of this is just ancient alien shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Quite frankly.
jordan holmes
Sounds right.
dan friesen
So depressing.
alex jones
But it's the Sumerians, and I've read a lot of books and checked it out for myself and confirmed it's in the Royal Museum in England, and it's in the German museums, and it's in the Vatican.
Ancient idols that are humanoids with spacesuits on.
And we can go over all that to show all that, and we'll do that when our journalist comes on in about an hour and 20 minutes.
jordan holmes
Great.
Don't say that word.
alex jones
So you can look at all this and say, oh, it's all human.
And then when I look at 99% of what you're seeing, I mean, I played this a bunch yesterday.
We'll play it again, but it's a nice clear night a few nights ago in New Jersey.
Thousands of people posted the same video from different angles.
And you can see the craft accelerate from the ground.
You can see them.
You can hear what sounds like jet engines.
And they all go up to about 10,000, 15,000 feet and sit there and just hover.
And then so many of the drones that have popped up that have been caught by the military and others in Iraq and Afghanistan and other places, you look at them and it looks human.
It looks like a platform moving quick with a bunch of antennas and communication stuff hanging off of it.
Probably got a turbine or turbines in it.
It's just a normal big drone with a lot of equipment on it.
So you look at this, and we've got some real leads on things.
There's a big air taxi company with a lot of big funding behind it that's based right there in New Jersey.
And I'm going to get that a little bit later that has the promotional videos that actually behave like what you just saw.
We just showed on screen from New Jersey.
unidentified
Hmm.
dan friesen
That's interesting.
So a huge issue that's coming up now is related to this idea that maybe it's just humans and an air taxi company.
Was Ezekiel's prophecy warning about air taxi companies?
Or is it just a completely normal phenomenon, which Alex is kind of revealing he knows that it probably is?
Then, you know, like, if that's the case, then where do the demons come into this?
Were the alien sightings in biblical times, was it just a bunch of air taxis?
Do demons tell the ancients how to make air taxis, but then they had to keep it a secret until we invented air travel?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
What's going on here?
Are we revealing that air taxis have existed since ancient times?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
What's happening?
unidentified
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah, you know, probably.
dan friesen
Is it time travel?
jordan holmes
Okay, okay.
So you're in the 18 blankies in Britain, right?
Fucking train comes by with all the smoke.
You go, obviously that's a sign of the end times in the Bible.
That's a dragon.
You see, you interpret the words to make it look like a dragon.
You probably don't feel very smart now.
Two reasons.
Probably dead.
Unless aliens are real.
And second, everybody just kind of wasn't end times-y.
You know, I can see why air taxis are...
Well, now I...
Because now in my head I see...
Yellow taxis that can fly.
Sure.
Yeah, that's an issue.
dan friesen
Well, and that's what it is.
jordan holmes
That's already an issue, I could see.
dan friesen
So, I don't know what his point is.
jordan holmes
No, I have no idea.
dan friesen
I was listening to this and I was trying my best to figure out, like, okay, so obviously you're trying to say that this isn't aliens in New Jersey.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But also, you're talking a lot about how there are aliens and there has been, for all of history, all of this art reflects aliens showing up.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But maybe those aren't aliens.
Maybe they're demons.
unidentified
Could be.
dan friesen
But also maybe those were human things, too.
I have no idea, like, where solid ground exists.
Yeah.
But maybe we'll get there eventually.
jordan holmes
I strongly doubt it.
dan friesen
Yeah, you're right.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
So, the critical nuclear weapons bases in the U.S. and Germany.
Hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of admitted events in the last year.
They're happening every couple days right now.
Where sometimes 15, 20, 30, 40 large craft.
I mean, by large, they're not little drones.
10, 15, 20 foot long.
Show up and then hover around the nuclear weapons depots.
Ladies and gentlemen, if you approach a nuclear weapons base and you don't start identifying yourself when you pull up to it, they're going to pull guns out and point them at you.
And if you make any false moves, you're going to get filled full of bullets.
That's a fact.
People get shot.
You see it in the news.
On a routine basis.
dan friesen
So people are getting shot outside these bases a lot.
jordan holmes
That's absolutely not true.
dan friesen
Unfortunately, there's no nuclear base in New Jersey or New York.
jordan holmes
That's a problem.
dan friesen
But I guess now the conspiracy has to do with nuclear weapons being the target?
Is this human stuff or do the demons want the nukes?
I don't know what's going on.
jordan holmes
I will tell you this.
So, in the book that I wrote, right, the past one, I have a little scene that takes place in a nuclear silo, right?
And to write that, I did a lot of research on the missileer core.
If you were an alien and you wanted to steal a nuclear missile, do not worry about it.
They are high all the time.
It is very boring, and their computer software is still on MS-DOS.
dan friesen
Just play them the final countdown for the first time.
jordan holmes
They are totally ready.
Is this performance check going well?
No.
It is not going well.
dan friesen
Well, that's good to know.
Aliens, if you're listening.
jordan holmes
Just walk right in.
You will be fine.
dan friesen
Apparently, Alex thinks you're gonna get shot on sight.
jordan holmes
Nope.
Nope.
Everybody's fucked up.
dan friesen
But you're just saying that if you're an alien, not if you're a human.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
It's not a good idea.
Because people are fucked up.
If they're fucked up and they see you as a human, they'll be like, oh, I gotta shoot that guy.
But if they see an alien, they'll be like, well, that's just not real.
dan friesen
But what...
I guess it comes down to how humanoid are you as an alien.
jordan holmes
That's a good question.
dan friesen
Because if you're too humanoid, then they'll probably shoot you anyway.
jordan holmes
That's true.
So the Greys are out.
I think mercantile dogs for sure can get by.
Talking walking dog, you're going to let it go through.
dan friesen
Giant mantis probably not getting in the door.
jordan holmes
I doubt it.
dan friesen
Yeah, it can't fit.
No.
jordan holmes
There are problems.
dan friesen
I still don't know what the point is, but it starts to maybe come into focus here, kind of.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
In almost all cases, when they even fly over low, you can hear the...
You can hear that they're turbines.
Okay?
And some look like Ezekiel's wheel that's in the Bible, and it's got these wheels going.
And the way that's behaving...
I mean, it's Hollywood stuff.
You can just look at it, tell how it's operating, tell it's man-made lights, the way they turn the lights on and turn the lights off.
They're out there.
Most of them are unmanned.
To get a scare going.
So we know there's a Pentagon stand down.
Almost all of them are clearly human.
Made.
jordan holmes
Almost.
Again, an issue.
alex jones
I mean, that looks like an Imperial probe droid right there.
jordan holmes
I knew it!
dan friesen
That is not human made.
I knew we were getting an Imperial probe droid.
I don't know.
Look, here's the thing.
I think we've found the core of what could be his argument, which is this is Hollywood stuff.
They're trying to make you get hysterical about the possibility of an alien invasion in order to keep you in fear or to test public reaction or something.
That's the ground that he should be standing on.
But it's muddied up so much with all this long rambling about...
How aliens really are real and how they're in art and all this.
Cut all that stuff out and just say that it's Hollywood smoke and mirrors bullshit.
They're doing it to manipulate the public consciousness.
unidentified
Boom.
dan friesen
Done.
jordan holmes
It feels like what he is describing.
Is the globalists having an inadequate amount of actual alien technology to scare people with, so they're just kind of augmenting it, you know?
So they've got, like, they've got a couple alien drones.
dan friesen
And they're going to New Jersey.
jordan holmes
Right, but that's just not going to be enough.
So they send regular drones to all the capitals of the world?
dan friesen
I don't know if that's...
It's not fully true either, but it makes sense in a conspiracy prism of his show that this is the angle you would go with it.
jordan holmes
I suppose.
dan friesen
It does not make sense to add in all the ancient aliens bullshit.
It's needless.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
It gets you away from reality, and it's tough to figure out what to do with, because that 1% or whatever that might not be human...
It's a much bigger deal than the globalists trying to trick us into thinking that there's an alien invasion, because there is.
jordan holmes
I mean, I just feel, it makes me feel bad for the aliens.
Yeah.
Because it's very clear, if it's only 1%, then it is like, hey, you know, you guys could have just...
Left a message.
I didn't need to come all the way here to have one little drone while you guys fuck around with your 100% other drones.
dan friesen
Or maybe the 1% of those aliens that are coming are doing so as emissaries and ambassadors to the powers that be.
And the powers that be need to create all of the fake stuff in order to cover for the real ones coming in.
jordan holmes
Alright, alright.
So this is...
Okay.
Interesting.
Interesting theory.
dan friesen
It's not Alex's.
jordan holmes
No, it's not Alex's.
dan friesen
It's also not mine.
jordan holmes
Well.
dan friesen
Because I think it's stupid.
But Alex, he could be going down that road of government intrigue, Hollywood stuff, smoke and mirrors, trying to just fuck with people.
And that would be fine.
But he's not.
jordan holmes
Oh no.
dan friesen
Oh no.
It goes another direction.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Most of this is human.
But there is stuff going on, and I found a bunch of the classic footage that I'd seen before.
You know, people are out fishing on a boat, and here come a whole bunch of white lights that are so bright, in the middle of the day, they're blaring white.
And then people are like, ah!
And then all of a sudden, they go, psst, and they're gone.
From like the 1970s, 80s, and 90s.
People out for a picnic, and they've got an 8mm camera.
You know, in the middle of nowhere in New York, and all of a sudden, you know, here comes a craft right up, and then he goes, it's gone.
Yeah, that stuff's not coming from people.
unidentified
It's not.
alex jones
Unless Atlantis never really went away.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
And the ancients said it did.
And everything Plato said, pretty much, people for thousands of years didn't know he was accurate.
2,200.
Years ago or so, when he was writing his different books, the top philosopher that kind of created the ideas and the genesis of what Western culture is today.
jordan holmes
Top philosopher.
alex jones
But he was also a depopulationist, and that's why the globalists are like that, so that comes from him.
At least he popularized it in the modern Western sphere.
jordan holmes
Take the good with the bad.
alex jones
It was an absolutely real thing.
12,000 years before or so was out in the Atlantic Ocean and had this energy source and it blew up and the island sunk.
And then he would also say, this is where this famous place was or that famous place was that one ever found.
And finally they find these cities and things.
It's exactly where he said.
So just like people said, oh, the Bible's not right about this or that, then they find it.
Oh, there was nothing by the Dead Sea.
Oh, Sodom and Gomorrah didn't get destroyed.
And then they go under it and find...
Sunken City.
Wow, it's...
dan friesen
Wow.
So we've talked about this a bit in the past, but Plato didn't definitively say that Atlantis was real.
Alex is misremembering details from a couple of stray passages in some of the Socratic dialogues, Timaeus and Critias.
In the latter, Critias talks about his grandfather hearing about Atlantis from the mythic Greek leader Solon, who had heard about it from the Egyptians.
People who study the Greek philosophers pretty well understand that Plato wasn't saying that Atlantis was a real place.
Rather, it was a metaphor for how even utopian societies can fail if they're led astray.
Alex is a total idiot who probably just saw someone on Ancient Aliens mention Plato, so now he thinks he's a fucking scholar.
I'm curious what other locations Alex thinks that Plato nailed, but I'm not going to put too much stock in it, because guess what?
we haven't found Sodom and Gomorrah either.
Recently, there's a guy named Stephen Collins who's claimed that he found Sodom at a site called Tal Al-Haman on the Dead Sea.
He's been saying this since at least 2013, but he just put out a book arguing his claim, so it's been getting more media attention lately.
Most folks in the biblical archaeology community are unconvinced of the evidence that he's put forth, but I guess Alex is, it's good enough for I think I can clear up Alex's source on Atlantis.
jordan holmes
That would be one of my favorite Disney movies of all time, Atlantis.
dan friesen
Right, because the details that he's providing are not from Play-Doh.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
But they are very much from a Play-Doh-like book that was found in the movie Atlantis.
I think it's called The Shepherd's Journal, in which case it describes almost exactly what he is describing.
Unlike perhaps the reality of Play-Doh, The Shepherd's Journal.
Adheres closely to what he's describing.
dan friesen
It's suspicious.
jordan holmes
It is very suspicious.
dan friesen
So the Shepard's Journal, or Play-Doh, said that Atlantis was real.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
And so this leads Alex to make a startling possibility.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
He said it was real.
They had flying machines on time.
jordan holmes
Michael J. Fox said it was real.
alex jones
Big, big machines like humans.
Like Megatron.
So it's not so much that we're theorizing.
About all this science fiction.
It's that we've been there before.
I mean, it's in ourselves, our instincts.
Like, this seems like home.
So, is what you're seeing now really the secret advanced human civilization that's been here the whole time?
unidentified
All right.
alex jones
And why would they then keep that secret?
jordan holmes
This is great music.
alex jones
The point is, something big is about to be announced.
dan friesen
Okay.
So, I guess maybe...
The drones that we're seeing over New Jersey are actually the Atlanteans who have been kept secret by the globalists for all human history.
They never went away.
Nope.
That's a possibility.
jordan holmes
I mean, you know, so we've got a class one Wakanda scenario.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
Uh-huh.
Here's my question.
Oh my god.
This raises perhaps the largest question of all.
dan friesen
There's a few that definitely come to mind.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but for Alex, there's only one.
What if they're Hispanic?
dan friesen
I mean...
jordan holmes
It's all over, right?
dan friesen
I don't think he'd love it.
No, I think he conceives of them as white, probably.
Obviously!
jordan holmes
Obviously!
Yeah, I think he conceives of them as white.
dan friesen
I think there's bigger implications.
And that would be that these Atlanteans have existed since before the Bible times.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Right?
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
jordan holmes
Which raises the question of why they didn't write the Bible on account of the Bible being the word of God who is the person who created it.
dan friesen
His entire religion would have to be shaken.
jordan holmes
At least edited.
Yes.
It'd have to be altered at least slightly.
dan friesen
Quite a bit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Or...
Time travel seems like it might be in the mix somehow, but I'm totally confused, like, still.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because what I see is a couple of drones in New Jersey and dumb shits trying to farm engagement on Twitter.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
That's what I see.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
dan friesen
And what Alex sees is...
Probably humans.
There's smoke and mirrors.
There's Hollywood stuff.
But also, ever since biblical times, there have been actual alien UFOs.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And maybe it's the Atlanteans who never went away and the globalists have kept secret all this time.
There's too many possibilities.
jordan holmes
Okay.
All right.
So, historically, Homo sapien, Neanderthal, and I think a couple other genuses all coexisted at the same time.
Some interbreeding happened.
We know this to be true.
Imagine, though, that there was a hyper-evolved homo genus right next to us.
They figured out how to get off the planet almost immediately.
They forgot culture, went straight to star travel.
Sent off.
Relativity happened.
They realized it's too far away.
They turn around right back here.
Aliens.
It makes sense.
And it'll take about that long.
dan friesen
It's a Planet of the Apes kind of thing?
jordan holmes
I think it is, but for apes!
Prehistoric ape man goes into the space, comes back, and do you know what they do?
They come down, they land, and they go, damn you!
You maniacs!
dan friesen
You dirty humans!
unidentified
You blew it up!
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, it's a possibility.
It is.
Hold on to some of those thoughts, because they might be closer than you think.
jordan holmes
I don't think I should hold on to those thoughts, Dan.
Those are thoughts that should not be held on to.
dan friesen
Some of them might be close to something Alex says later.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
dan friesen
But for now, he has to get lost in a different thread of thoughts, and that is about George Orwell.
Okay.
I think that a lot of this does not hold up to reality.
jordan holmes
Did he write about aliens?
alex jones
It's Crime Stop.
It's Double Think.
That's in 1984.
Where you know two men can't have a baby, you know there's X and Y chromosomes.
I mean, these professors of biology know that.
They just get promoted, like Niels de Grasse Tyson, if they just keep saying a woman is as strong as a man, pound for pound.
That's an absolute lie on its face.
Totally studied in real science.
But they're the science of mind control and have authority figures telling you there's no weather control.
There's no X and Y chromosomes, as Bill Nye and them have been running around saying.
dan friesen
Christ or Bill Nye.
alex jones
Insulting, but it's training the public to accept nonsense and just making everything a joke.
It's jamming real discussion.
It's poisoning pooping in the punch bowl.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
And then you reward the general public in the whole social credit score system that's already here.
With monetary success, if they go against their own interest and believe a lie.
So, Crimestop or Doublethink is, you know, for the last year and a half, Big Brother, the head of the Communist Party of the UK, in that fictional book, before he died, he said, was his projection of what England would be like, and by 1984, if it continued on the path it was on, and he would know he was the number one propagandist for the British government in World War II at the BBC, creating the propaganda.
jordan holmes
I really strongly doubt that.
alex jones
And then he found out about their real plan to not beat Hitler, but just get him out of the way to make something even worse.
jordan holmes
Doesn't sound true.
alex jones
He wrote about this before he died, non-fiction.
Looking up his essays.
Died real quick of that real fast overnight tuberculosis.
jordan holmes
He was murdered by the British government?
alex jones
No, no, this is real.
And started giving interviews and saying, no, no, I was the...
And it's on record he was.
dan friesen
It's on record.
alex jones
I mean, he was the boss of brainwashing in...
For the British government.
I mean, he was in the top board meetings when you'd have literally a few dozen top globals around a big round table, and then they would go to him as the director of the Ministry of Truth.
So Winston Smith is him, but Winston is just mid-level in the book.
Winston Smith is Eric Blair, the real name of George Orwell.
And he's there destroying the truth at the Ministry of Truth.
And then he actually knows Big Brother's bad, but he didn't know Big Brother wants to hurt everybody and actually slowly destroy humanity because it's so enjoyable for the upper party that he thought he was in the inner party, but there was another inner party.
And so Orwell said, no, no, this is basically my composite allegory of what I've experienced and what they're going to do by 1984 if we don't stop them.
It flipped 1948 when the book was published.
That's from him.
That's how I know that.
You can actually go read his essays if you like.
I've read four or five big huge compendiums of his essays and articles that are more important than 1984.
Got them on my bookshelf or in storage somewhere.
dan friesen
I'm going to get them out of storage, dust those off, give them another look.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
I think he's exaggerating a great deal.
And making up a bunch of stuff here.
But that's fun.
Slightly Orwellian, in a way.
jordan holmes
It does feel like if anybody would be proud of being lied about in this manner, it would be him.
dan friesen
No, I think the opposite.
I think it would piss him the fuck off.
jordan holmes
Nah, I think he'd love it.
dan friesen
I think there'd be a tip of the hat, probably.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, have people learned since my time?
No?
Well, then everybody have a great time.
dan friesen
Good, good.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
So, uh, Alex is off on these thoughts, and he's like, they're gonna make mega cities, and they're not gonna let you in.
jordan holmes
Judge Dredd.
dan friesen
Back when I was in high school, librarians thought I was a smart boy.
He's just off in another world.
jordan holmes
I'm genuinely starting to believe I can pick out, like, by name, which sci-fi reference he's actually making.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
To these scenarios.
dan friesen
I think in a lot of cases, you probably can.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And then all of it eventually feeds back to Childhood's End.
Right, yes, yeah, yeah.
Along the way, there's a lot of different children's movies.
jordan holmes
But named by bigger names, but are actually like, oh, this is the plot of Finding Nemo.
dan friesen
Right.
alex jones
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And they say in their main line, CFR, Prilateral Commission, Pixar plans that they're going to...
Get global control, collapse all the nation states, create neo-feudalism, and then pick command bases, generally only one or two per region, that will be the high-tech centers.
And those themselves will be their own prisons.
But where the people they choose are allowed to come into it.
Everybody else has to pay huge amounts of money to get into it, so most people can't even get into it.
That will preclude you.
And the places they're setting up are Kauai, Hawaii.
jordan holmes
They like rhyming.
alex jones
Austin, Texas.
Obviously, London.
Obviously, Tel Aviv.
jordan holmes
Obviously.
unidentified
Rome.
alex jones
Rome.
Berlin.
jordan holmes
You're just naming cities.
You're just naming cities now.
Also, most of these are in Europe.
alex jones
Also off the middle of nowhere.
dan friesen
Huh?
alex jones
You'll be locked down for your entire life to just...
A few hundred square miles if you're lucky.
That's the 15-minute studies.
This is all official.
And I've been reading about it for decades and decades.
And imagine reading globalist books that are published and written by world leaders, but not for general consumption.
And, of course, I started reading this stuff when I was like 10. My parents had the same books.
And I'm like, this is way better than the comic books I'm reading.
And then as I got older, I went to the library and got more books and their statements.
I would see quotes in reports, in books exposing him, and I would say, I want to see if David Rockefeller really said in 1976 in the New York Times, I want communism, Mao Zedong's the best, we need to take over America and collapse everything to rebuild the communist dream.
So I went and read the article on the micro fish, the micro film at the library.
And a bunch of other, I mean, go the whole list, and the librarians at UT, they had the best one.
Well, you go to UT?
unidentified
No.
alex jones
You're a 16-year-old?
Well, what do you...
You want this stuff?
Well, let us help you.
You know, we've got more stuff.
Can you come back next week?
It's called the stacks.
And this is just a small part.
We've got huge, huge warehouses.
You want more?
Yeah, well, sure, we'll bring that to you.
We don't really ever see anybody want anything here.
Everybody just goes against the cheat sheet books to act like that.
I mean, literally.
So, isn't it...
Fascinating to learn about this whole breakaway civilization.
dan friesen
I'm sure that the librarians at the university library were nice to Alex as a 16-year-old boy who wanted to find some books.
But I'm not surprised that he experienced that as them thinking he was the only person they'd ever met with a sincere desire to learn.
That lines up pretty well with his narcissist self-image.
Hearing somebody say this is just like...
My dad is a superhero or whatever.
It just sounds like a baby.
This is such...
He's still that 16-year-old in his head who's like, the librarians think I'm a special smart boy because I came to the library and they gave me a cookie or something like that.
jordan holmes
It's ridiculous.
It makes me want to do an experiment.
And I think maybe it might be unethical.
But I do wonder if we put all children at a certain age underneath a house, And just spray them with chemicals.
Would they all turn into this?
You know, like, is this purely...
Can we inject...
Some sort of chemical at a certain period of time to make the entire human race Alex Jones's.
dan friesen
No, I don't think so, because the media diet, I think, is really critical, too.
You really have to get a lot of this JBS shit in there.
You have to get a lot of sci-fi.
jordan holmes
That's what I'm saying.
That's what I want to do with the control experiment.
If we don't give them the media diet, and we just give them the spray...
dan friesen
Well, I don't think the spray is the whole story.
But whatever the spray is metaphorical for, there is some sort of a detachment from reality, an inability to grasp fiction and interpret media.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Ironic that he ended up becoming a guru and prophet of media.
But if you did that with a hundred kids, let's say, and one of them just had a diet of like...
I don't know, fucking cowboy shows.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Maybe they would think cowboy shows are real.
And that's the only thing that...
Alex's version is sci-fi and weird anti-communist shit.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But yeah, if you gave a different media diet...
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Maybe like fairies were real and like high fantasy.
jordan holmes
So you're saying we combine spray with Clockwork Orange and we can make anybody whatever we want them to be.
dan friesen
I think you would need that other variable.
jordan holmes
I think we've got a plan.
dan friesen
I don't think this is ethical and I agree with you.
I don't think we can do this.
Fair.
You know.
He's not that special.
I definitely agree with whatever findings you would have would be that Alex isn't that unique.
jordan holmes
Spray is important is also one of the findings that we would have.
dan friesen
So I just thought this next clip was funny because I think Alex is kind of accidentally doxing Joe Rogan.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
So why wouldn't you want to know about this?
About the real civilization, the advanced civilization you're living right next door to?
And I use this analogy a lot because it's the best.
I go to a gym almost every day.
That Rogan, for 12 years, got set up and tried to get me to go to.
I knew he was co-owner.
That wasn't publicly known until he sold it.
And I finally go there.
It's great.
And people all the time, hey, you're friends with Joe Rogan.
You know him, man?
Hey, Trump was in town last week, stuff like that.
You know, wonder where Joe's at.
I hear he's around here sometimes.
I'm like, oh, he's around here.
And they don't even, obviously, might give him a secret.
Because they just don't even know they're compartmentalized.
It's not even something really compartmentalized.
He's literally across the street.
But see, that's a microcosm of compartmentalization.
And I know Joe Rogan's 100 yards away and actually there, and I can go over and have coffee with him.
They don't know.
dan friesen
Alex is talking about the on-it gym, which Rogan almost certainly makes a bit of money on, but Rogan doesn't work out there.
Rogan's comically rich, and he has a huge gym in his $14.4 million mansion that he owns in Austin.
From what I understand, Rogan records his podcast at his home studio as well, but I don't know if Alex has been on since he started that.
I'm guessing that Alex was last on or aware of the studio location back when Joe was recording at the temporary studio that they had set up at On It HQ when he moved to Austin, which would have been close to where that gym is.
Makes me wonder if Alex...
Alex even actually knows where Joe lives.
jordan holmes
He's just 100 feet away.
dan friesen
No, he's not.
jordan holmes
It's a microcosm of compartmentalization.
dan friesen
His mansion is on the lake.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's probably there.
jordan holmes
In a compartment 100 feet away.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I have no idea what he- The temporary studio was near the On It gym, and that's what Alex is talking about.
jordan holmes
I don't understand how it could be a microcosm of compartmentalization anyways.
dan friesen
Well, I think Alex just wants to brag about how he's friends with Joe.
jordan holmes
I think so, too.
dan friesen
Yeah.
You've been uncompartmentalized, then.
jordan holmes
Well, I guess, well, now it's a macrocosm of uncompartmentalization.
dan friesen
It's a macrocosm of the microcosm.
jordan holmes
Makes perfect sense.
dan friesen
So, Alex, he would be fine if the globalists would just be honest.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
If they were like, we want to become robots, and it is a choice that you can make.
unidentified
Wait, wait, wait.
Yep.
jordan holmes
Wait, so all the horrible things he's warning us about...
Would be totally fine.
dan friesen
If they were just honest.
jordan holmes
If they would just let us know, like, hey, all of you are dead.
And Alex will be like...
unidentified
No, no, no, no, no.
dan friesen
People don't have to die.
You can just become a robot if you want.
jordan holmes
No, no, no. 90% of you are dead.
We already know this because Alex said it.
dan friesen
But that part isn't necessary.
If there was just choice, you guys want to become robots, go ahead and become a robot.
We'll be over here not becoming robots because we don't really want to.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
That'll be fine.
jordan holmes
So it's the globalists' fault.
For not being honest that they need to kill us.
dan friesen
But they don't need to.
The devil just tells them that they need to.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
There's another way.
jordan holmes
Okay, so I guess I feel bad for the globalists because they're being lied to by the devil.
So they're essentially in the same place that Alex is.
dan friesen
The devil is a known liar.
I will say that you shouldn't feel too bad for them because they don't exist.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
But, Alex, I also think he's lying about this fake conception.
jordan holmes
Fair.
dan friesen
Because he absolutely would not be fine with this.
jordan holmes
I don't think you can be on account of the 90% of people dying thing.
dan friesen
Yeah, and Alex keeps talking and he realizes, oh wait, I wouldn't be in favor of this.
alex jones
Our main job is exposing the breakaway civilization, what its aims are, what it's doing, how it's at war with the...
System that it's erasing because it could be a challenging system to it.
That's another thing.
They want only one global government with a small, manageable population because they fear real renaissance and innovation, and so they want a total scientific dictatorship.
So you can say, well, why do they want to kill us all?
Well, they're selfish.
They don't want competition.
I would decentralize all this and be completely honest about it and let people decide what they want to do.
You want to be cyborgs?
You want to do this?
Okay, that's fine, but the Earth-Based Alliance or whatever you want to call it.
jordan holmes
I don't want to call it that.
alex jones
And the people voting, and folks are going to, the majority are going to want stuff away from us.
This is, I mean, you want to play around with any matter?
You want to, you want to all merge the machines?
Fine.
Go sign up.
Go do it over there.
But you're going to be honest about, and then the automated, well, they'll get more advanced.
That's an invade and take over.
I understand all that.
I've already looked at every angle.
But that's why the decision's been made to wipe out most of civilization, have a highly controlled technology, because you can't have these breakaway civilizations when there's more than one.
And a lot of people are going, well, that makes sense then to kill everybody.
Mel, there's the argument right there, and it just doesn't feel right.
jordan holmes
Wait, what just happened?
alex jones
And I am in connection, and all of you are.
You need to face that with...
The advanced intelligence, electromagnetically, we all are, and God tells me don't do this.
So I'm going to go with God's plan.
All right, we're going to go to break.
I'll tell you more about Elon Musk's statement on the UFO invasion and more.
I got some really good news for you and great news for us to have the money we need to fight our legal battles and stay on air and hopefully expand.
And thanks for all your support.
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I'm like, okay, the company we've got as a sponsor has a highly rated, and I looked at it and checked the ratings.
jordan holmes
It's a sleeper.
alex jones
This isn't private label.
They went out to some folks and even souped up a top brand, made it even stronger.
And I'm like, okay, great.
It's a staple product.
It's a super green.
And I took it sometimes and stuff, but, you know, I've already got the greens I take that I was kind of addicted to.
But then I realized that I got more energy and more stuff out of this.
But I was so busy that I didn't come in and say, wow, this is the best thing I ever took, actually.
I can't believe that our sponsor actually did something incredible.
I've taken a lot of green drinks because they're superfoods.
Then Harrison Smith takes it and says it's got the most energy he ever felt.
And I'm like, wait, that's actually what happened with me, too.
Why haven't I said that?
So you will not be disappointed.
Optimal Human has been sold out for three months.
They got a...
Decent-sized shipment in, but it's going to sell fast and so popular, which is great.
You're going to love it?
dan friesen
You're going to love it.
Optimal Human, signed off on by the Earth Human Alliance voting bloc.
Just talking about the stupidest bullshit that transitions into, hey, I got this new superfood.
jordan holmes
I mean, I'm speechless.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
80s.
80s.
dan friesen
I would be fine with the globalists if they would just be honest about what they're doing and do it over there and keep it all separated from us.
But then they're going to get too strong and they're going to invade us.
And I know maybe we should kill everybody anyway.
I don't know.
I've looked at all the angles.
Who knows?
What the fuck?
I'm going to go with God now.
Let me tell you about my green drink.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know how sometimes they'll have like, oh, this is...
Betsy's first flag.
I don't necessarily think that this shouldn't be there.
As like, hey, this was part of American culture at a certain period of time.
This is what we were.
Let's all look at it in the same way that we would the Holocaust Museum.
dan friesen
Well, I think that clip is the sort of thing that could be in a museum because it's like peak insincerity.
unidentified
It is.
dan friesen
It's the level...
You can't really get higher than that in terms of brazen dickishness.
jordan holmes
No, you can't.
dan friesen
And fraud that you're trying to pass off.
jordan holmes
I've never heard anything better.
dan friesen
No.
Until this next clip.
jordan holmes
Sounds right.
dan friesen
It is a rare distinction that I will label a clip.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Red alert.
jordan holmes
Oh boy.
dan friesen
This is a red alert.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Remember when I told you to hold on to some of those thoughts?
jordan holmes
I did.
dan friesen
Some of them might be coming up.
jordan holmes
All right.
Coming in hot.
dan friesen
This person is insane.
alex jones
Look, I'm going to lay some really heavy stuff on you right now.
So, history repeats, right?
dan friesen
Sure.
alex jones
So, where are we right now?
We have a competing global power blocks with the West way out ahead of China and Russia when it comes to building a breakaway civilization that's transferred most of the technology into it.
Forbidden from the general public in the world that has a anti-depopulation agenda that sees the rest of civilization as a competing force that wants to get total control over the planet so that no one else can oppose its dictatorship.
That's why Obama and others call it the end of history.
The end of history for us, the end of competition for us, not for this group.
So, if you look at all the ancient religions and histories all over the planet, in every recorded document, from the first they find to the latest, seeing the same stuff, and now what we see deployed acts and behaves just the same, you say, well, they're just copying it.
Okay, or they were given it.
But what I see, and what I receive, Is that this civilization is attempting to duplicate what has been done before, that there have been previous advanced human civilizations that are breakaway,
and that they did breakaway, and they did go interstellar and beyond, and that it was decided to keep a museum.
Or a national park.
Or a repository.
A depository.
Like a seed bank.
Like they have up in the Arctic.
So there would always be an original operating Eden.
Because obviously if you came from a planet.
jordan holmes
Not obvious.
alex jones
And there's a history to that.
There's a nostalgia, but there's also an importance.
Then you don't want to mess it up.
You go out and you do the testing and the new dangerous stuff away from mommy.
Away from the old homestead.
And then, now there's the ancient astronaut at Peru.
So, that's what's going on.
And the sin is doing what we've done before here.
We'll be right back.
Stay with me.
dan friesen
Okay.
I feel like there's a rare occurrence that happens when I'm listening to Alex's show, and I will actually get, like...
You know when a piece of information is revealed to you and you're like, oh no.
You just get almost a physical feeling of a wave goes over you.
That's how I kind of felt when I was listening to that.
I was like, oh no.
jordan holmes
I mean, you know, if all people ever were Alex...
This still wouldn't make sense.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, even if all people who could do stuff, and there was a breakaway society that could do stuff, and they did think the way Alex thought, it still wouldn't go down like this.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
This is insane!
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's worrying, because all that's going on in the real world is that there's a dumb attention frenzy going on where people, you know, make money by...
Causing shit on Twitter and stuff.
They're, you know, trying to stoke up attention the best they can about these drones in New Jersey.
And Alex's way of covering it is revealing that...
He believes, and he has received, which implies that God has told him.
jordan holmes
Yes, he did make that very clear.
dan friesen
That there were past high-tech civilizations, maybe Atlantis, that went interstellar and went interplanetary, and they decided to leave us behind on Earth as a seed bank repository of humans.
jordan holmes
Also must have been created by God, of course.
Right?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
They couldn't?
dan friesen
Well, they...
I mean, sure.
jordan holmes
I mean, they have to.
Otherwise, God shows up after them.
dan friesen
Right.
But when was Atlantis in terms of, like, Bible times?
jordan holmes
No, but my point is, for Alex, they have to also...
God or Jesus.
They also have to...
For Alex, they also have to have been created by God.
Otherwise, they wouldn't be...
dan friesen
Let's say they were.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Where's Jesus in the mix?
jordan holmes
Right.
Like, did they not leave a book behind?
Like, we had to wait until...
dan friesen
Well, there's that one reference in Plato.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
The Shepherd's Journal.
They left it behind.
What am I thinking?
dan friesen
I got really worried.
This was worrying.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Because, I don't know, this happens from time to time, but if this is really what's behind what he thinks, he is nuts.
This is crazy shit.
jordan holmes
Nah, he's fine.
dan friesen
He has no right to yell at Eddie Bravo.
jordan holmes
I mean, listen, we've had that conversation.
I think Eddie Bravo has every right to be yelled at, but it's not me, you know?
dan friesen
Eddie Bravo has every right to be yelled at about how stone buildings burned to the fucking ground.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
That is fair.
But Alex has no leg to stand on if he believes, like what, that past high-tech civilizations are droning New Jersey or whatever, or that...
That has happened in the past, and these other places have gone inter...
Let's say Atlantis has gone interstellar.
Now, they're not fucking around with us anymore.
They're off in their own world.
They're doing their own shit.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
dan friesen
But they've left behind the seed bank of humans.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Now, the globalists are trying to recreate the success of the Atlanteans and get off planet and go interstellar.
So they are doing what the Atlanteans did, which is the equivalent of prehistoric...
Drones over New Jersey.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
This is sad.
jordan holmes
I would say that if they did get off planet, perhaps the one thing that they solved was the removing the log from one's own eye before trying to take the splinter out of another.
dan friesen
You'd think they'd have to, or else they wouldn't make it far in space.
jordan holmes
They wouldn't make it that far.
They'd be very stuck with an Alex Eddy situation.
Everybody just going back and forth with stone buildings and aliens.
Never ending.
dan friesen
I think this is a depressing way to look at the world.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
That we are just a seed bank for the Atlanteans who have gone off-planet.
And Alex, if you accept this, Alex's argument is essentially we must maintain the seed bank for the Atlanteans.
jordan holmes
I guess.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because all of his fights have to be about maintaining the status quo that is we need to be humans and hear when the Atlanteans come back.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Right?
jordan holmes
Yes!
Agreed!
dan friesen
That's insane.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
We are caretakers.
We are stewards of the land.
And there is no God.
There's only the Atlantean forebears who left behind vague and extremely cryptic clues as to whether or not they do exist.
And you know what?
I guess they were having a good time.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And they would have loved Trump.
jordan holmes
They really would have had a great time.
dan friesen
Yeah.
If anything I get from Plato, I love Trump.
jordan holmes
You know what?
They probably, once they got out into space, you know, then they figured out relativity.
Then they figured out distance.
And then they starved to death because you can't get anywhere within a reasonable amount of time.
dan friesen
Well, they would have figured that out.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I don't know.
unidentified
Alex isn't making shit up.
dan friesen
I can make up shit too.
Fine.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
dan friesen
Unlimited food supply.
unidentified
Boom.
jordan holmes
You win.
Boom.
Counts.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
There's your God.
dan friesen
So there's another possibility with these UFOs that Alex introduces.
And I'm like, I'm getting fucking exhausted.
jordan holmes
Right.
alex jones
This is meant to push war with Iran, which means war with Russia and everybody else.
And that's what I said yesterday.
I said that a lot of this is anti-missile defense systems to show the Russians, oh, you think we can't stop your ballistic missiles?
You know, the one in Ukraine that got through, that Putin demonstrated a few weeks ago.
There's that.
Then it creates this fear, this background fear of what are all these things?
Maybe it's the Russians.
Maybe it's the Iranians.
Elon Musk is.
It's not the Russians.
It's not the Iranians.
It's the deep state wanting to create fear, a subconscious fear, a conscious fear, unknown, the idea you're being assaulted.
So those areas of your mind are turned on.
To make you feel more threatened by a virus that they say is going to stop the Trump agenda, and by he's a racist and a race war is going to stop the agenda, and oh my God, there's all these drones, there's all these UFOs, what is it?
And that's the bare minimum, I'm saying, in the last few days is, this is a message to Russia and others, we got a lot of advanced technology you don't know about, and we're going to tell the public it's you.
Meaning we can attack the public and say it's you.
Which could be the main pretext I've said for full war with Russia or China is to launch an attack and say Russia did it or China did it or whoever did it and then say but we can't prove it.
So there's a major psyop going on here.
dan friesen
Yeah.
What?
So maybe it has nothing to do with Atlanteans or globalists trying to get off world in repetition of what the Atlanteans did.
Maybe it's not demons.
Maybe it's not aliens.
Maybe it's just trying to tell Russia that, hey, we can false flag the public and say it was you.
This is boring, comparatively.
jordan holmes
I'm so confused.
dan friesen
You should be.
jordan holmes
I can't even decide whether or not to use...
I cannot make hide nor hair of what it is he is saying.
Or I can't make heads or tails of what he's saying.
I just simply don't know.
The confusion extends past and into my own response.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
And I don't think that listening to the full episode of his show would help you.
jordan holmes
I strongly doubt it.
dan friesen
It's super unclear to me what he wants the takeaway to be.
jordan holmes
That is a good question.
dan friesen
Other than, don't be scared of stuff that's outside my lane.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That's kind of the...
Like, I need your fear to be something I can work with.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And so we're going to keep it there.
And also, I'm desperate for you to think that I'm interesting, so we're going to talk about demons and Samaria.
jordan holmes
It is like, okay, so his normal operating procedure is to jangle keys over here.
But what he's looking at now is a lot of people jangling keys over there.
And so he's like, hey!
Now I'm going to jangle keys over here.
Don't look at those other jangling keys.
But since you are looking at the jangling keys, I can't move too far away.
Otherwise, you won't see my jangling keys.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I mean, it feels very similar to how things went down during Pizzagate.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's like there's this thing that's happening online and Alex needs to jump into it but also pretend to be to the side of it.
It just feels like another dumb internet social media hysteria that he's trying to prop it off of.
But the stuff that he's talking about does resonate with some of the stuff that he says periodically.
I wouldn't be totally surprised if he does think that...
Atlanteans went off world.
jordan holmes
I mean, you know what?
There's a lot missing in the fossil record.
dan friesen
True.
I guess.
That explains it.
jordan holmes
See?
Explained.
dan friesen
So here's the problem.
You're thinking.
jordan holmes
Boy.
dan friesen
You should use the gut.
jordan holmes
I have thought that so many times.
dan friesen
You gotta use the gut.
jordan holmes
I have not thought that.
dan friesen
Remember when Stephen Colbert would talk about how the gut is never wrong?
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And it was a satire of people like Rush Limbaugh and stuff?
jordan holmes
It's in the...
Brendan, it's in the gut.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But Alex actually believes that.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
But from all the ancient text and research, and also my understanding, there's so much complex info goes into...
jordan holmes
More the latter than the former.
alex jones
But really, that's the trillions of data points we all have.
On even one given subject, the knowledge.
You'll ask somebody that's really wise and has a lot of wisdom about a particular topic they've studied, and they'll say, well, I can't really tell you exactly why I know this, but this is why.
And people know that person's always right, basically.
They can maybe misinterpret what the feeling is and get it wrong occasionally, but they're almost always right.
Their gut's always right.
It's just sometimes the conscious mind misinterprets the gut.
But the gut's always right, and my gut knows what this is.
So the stuff they say is alien is an advanced, ancient, breakaway human civilization that if you look at it, is predatory and sees us as cattle.
jordan holmes
That's a bombshell.
alex jones
And for whatever reason, isn't running a lot of operations outside the planet.
Well, what does the Bible tell us?
The Old Testament, it says that Satan is a creature.
He's got an army.
And he's marooned here.
And that he's been working with humans since he got here.
unidentified
Is that what it says?
alex jones
And that he's been having his crew mate with us and create...
jordan holmes
Is that what it says?
unidentified
Is that what it says?
alex jones
And God doesn't like that.
Now you say, well, okay, that's ancient text everywhere.
Every other ancient culture said the same thing as the Bible.
Same story over and over again.
Exactly the same story.
unidentified
But...
alex jones
We don't know why they all got that and separately thousands of miles away said that, so let's just...
Okay, well, what's Bill Gates and the globalists and the New World Order doing right now?
dan friesen
Good question.
I have no response to this.
He has shut me down.
This rebuttal went nowhere.
jordan holmes
You know, I remember when I was growing up in the church.
I remember, you know, we were like...
We were King James people, you know?
You didn't read the NIV.
And now I'm seeing why.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because the King James has very little of the...
dan friesen
I don't think this is NIV, my man.
jordan holmes
You don't think so?
dan friesen
No.
I don't think that the New International Version of the Bible had Satan is an ancient...
jordan holmes
I feel like he's a pirate who's stuck on...
marooned on Earth.
He's been given the black spot by God.
dan friesen
It's Treasure Island!
And he's trying to mate with human people in order to create...
Something.
jordan holmes
I mean, I'm not saying it doesn't make any sense.
dan friesen
Well, look.
He knows this in his gut.
That's what's important.
jordan holmes
That is what's important.
dan friesen
He knows the gut.
And the gut is just trillions of data points that you know from research and it's never wrong.
jordan holmes
That is.
But you can misinterpret it.
So you can be wrong.
dan friesen
Your brain.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Not the gut.
jordan holmes
Which means that you can say wrong and do wrong.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
But your gut knows that it's...
unidentified
Wrong.
dan friesen
But in this case, Alex is at peace with his gut.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And they are both on the same page.
jordan holmes
They are at one.
dan friesen
Yeah.
The alien stuff is an ancient breakaway civilization, probably Satan, who's trying to...
He's stuck here.
That's why he's not doing operations in space.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He's marooned here.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Not unlike some sort of Xenu character.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Huh.
jordan holmes
Huh.
dan friesen
That's interesting.
jordan holmes
Isn't it?
dan friesen
No.
I do think that there's something that is such a, just a, what do you have to do to make anyone care anymore, Alex?
Like, no one cares.
jordan holmes
I mean, Battleship Earth is one way to make people care, I guess.
Works for Elrond.
dan friesen
He's saying some of the craziest, stupidest shit imaginable.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I don't know if this moves the needle.
jordan holmes
I mean, you know.
The problem is, he doesn't know he's free.
Nothing's moving the needle.
dan friesen
Nah.
jordan holmes
Say whatever you want.
Speak freely, buddy.
dan friesen
But what else are you going to say beyond, I believe, that Atlanteans escaped the explosion of their island and are now working interstellarly, and maybe Satan is another one of these breakaway civilizations that is trapped here.
jordan holmes
I mean, maybe once you defeat Thanos, you just end the Marvel Universe, you know?
Like, where's the escalation?
Because since then, not really that escalated.
You know, the multiverse isn't really escalation.
You're just killing the same amount of people elsewhere.
dan friesen
Right.
But did COVID play a role in this, though?
I think we have to consider that.
jordan holmes
That is a good question.
dan friesen
You know?
jordan holmes
Wait, him having COVID multiple times scrambling his brain?
Or...
dan friesen
No, with the Marvel stuff.
Right?
The writer's strike screwed up a lot of TV shows.
jordan holmes
I mean, I'm talking about...
You know what?
I don't even know what I'm talking about.
My point is whatever.
dan friesen
So my point is that Noah, that guy...
jordan holmes
I can't believe what he might have actually done.
dan friesen
Well, he had a boat.
jordan holmes
Well, sure.
dan friesen
And he was pure.
He had pure genes.
jordan holmes
That wasn't even what...
That's not Noah!
dan friesen
Yes, that's what it's about!
jordan holmes
No!
alex jones
He had pure genes!
What's the globalist goal?
What are they building right now?
What are they doing to us right now?
Well, it's what the Bible describes Satan was doing, and God didn't like it, and that only certain populations were pure in their generations.
Noah wasn't a pure man.
He got drunk and stuff, all of that.
He wasn't pure in his actions.
His genetics were pure.
And God said, Satan's forces, the giants, and you look at the Sumerians and all that, and it's these giants, and there's tablets of them having sex with women.
jordan holmes
Obviously.
alex jones
15 foot, 20 tall, with a woman on their lap.
jordan holmes
Not physically possible.
alex jones
Then it shows the next thing, their babies they made.
Boy, those Siberians really came up with some stuff.
These big ships land with fire coming out the bottom and start screwing the women.
And then out pops these things.
And then God says, I'm going to wipe that out.
And God says again, you do this again, I'm going to wipe you out again.
And then Plato says...
jordan holmes
That was not what he said.
alex jones
2,200 plus years ago, he wrote about it saying it happened between 10,000 and 12,000 years before.
unidentified
Thank you.
alex jones
And what are they doing right now with all these shots?
All these different cocktails they put in it?
dan friesen
Yeah, don't you get it?
You dum-dum?
There was the biblical flood of Noah.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And then there was the Atlantis thing that Plato proved.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And then now, it's the same thing.
They're trying to give us vaccines in order to turn us into giants that God will then have to wipe out with a flood.
jordan holmes
Right.
Wait, what?
So if I understand correctly the timeline of what we're describing here.
Aliens came to Earth.
Or the devil.
Aliens, devil, let's call them the same thing.
dan friesen
It is.
jordan holmes
Pissed off, God.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
By fucking a bunch of ladies.
dan friesen
As giants.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Shapeshifting, not an option.
Had to stick with giants.
Giving birth to half demon, half...
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Right.
And God, being a Nazi, was like, I need pure bloods only.
dan friesen
God's deep into eugenics.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Which I think is representative of the Atlanteans' mission to create and keep Earth as a seed bank of humans.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Or they went off to try and destroy a racist-ass God.
dan friesen
Hmm.
That's interesting.
I don't think Alex would engage with that.
jordan holmes
I don't think he would either.
dan friesen
But...
The part with Satan and the giants has to predate Atlantis, right?
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
But Atlantis left the earth as a seed bank.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But I guess that's after the biblical flood, which would have wiped out all the giants and all of the hybrids.
So there would have only been Noah's descendants left after the flood, who would have all been human humans.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
Man.
Man, it makes sense.
Yeah.
It makes sense that if you were a Nazi, you would want God to be a Nazi.
That makes sense.
But at the same time, even if you're a Nazi, wouldn't you be like, I hope God's better than a Nazi.
You know?
dan friesen
You'd inspire for...
jordan holmes
Maybe just like a plus.
Maybe just Nazi plus.
You know?
Nazi plus, we could also have giants.
But I guess it's just Nazis all the way down.
dan friesen
I think that there's also a difference between mating with a giant and getting a vaccine.
jordan holmes
Well, one, that baby would split you in half.
There's no way that you can have a 15 foot tall...
Humanoid thing.
dan friesen
Maybe being a giant in that sense is a non-expressed gene.
Maybe the child would come out as just a human size.
jordan holmes
So gigantism is a recessive gene trait?
dan friesen
We don't know that's gigantism.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Alright.
dan friesen
There are demons.
jordan holmes
So alien demonism is a recessive gene trait.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
unidentified
Hmm.
jordan holmes
Which raises the question of why do it at all.
dan friesen
Right.
It also raises the question of the ability for demons to create offspring with humans.
Sure.
jordan holmes
Did God give them that ability?
dan friesen
Or are they sort of like a universal donor?
jordan holmes
Can they fuck anybody in the entire universe?
dan friesen
Or any animal?
jordan holmes
Anything.
dan friesen
Can they create offspring with literally anything?
jordan holmes
Swan.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Done.
dan friesen
Yeah, it could be.
jordan holmes
So is Zeus actually an alien?
dan friesen
And...
Are there swans living today that are descendants of Zeus?
jordan holmes
Because they got off of...
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
And then they came back and they realized that this seed bank is trash, so they just went back to being swans.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
I think we figured it out.
jordan holmes
I think we may have.
dan friesen
Yep.
And the bird flu is really...
jordan holmes
Oh, shit!
dan friesen
Just...
unidentified
God trying to do a plague upon the swans.
jordan holmes
Right!
Right!
Because remember in the most important part of the Noah story was whenever God was like, I make thee a new covenant and we're no longer going to flood anything again?
And in Alex telling, it was actually, I will fuck you up if you have sex with a giant again.
dan friesen
Well, and that's what happened in Atlantis, and it's happening again because of COVID vaccines.
jordan holmes
I mean, that's what I'm saying!
It makes sense for a Nazi to have a Nazi god, but at the same time it doesn't.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex reflects on maybe this UFO demon stuff, right?
Maybe it's not something that's happened, but maybe it's something that is imprinted upon our genetic memories as a warning of something that will happen in the future.
alex jones
There's another theory you could have.
jordan holmes
Could you?
alex jones
Our genetic memory, our epigenetics.
The encoded knowledge of our ancestors that's passed on at the cellular level.
That has to be unlocked, normally through rites of passage, events, things that happen.
jordan holmes
Or puberty.
alex jones
We are imprinted with this information, and it's not yet happened yet, but it's a genetic message and a warning.
Don't do this or this will happen.
you have all the different ancient cultures seeing the flying saucer craft the orbs and the spinning wheels and all the rest of it And then you realize we've never been where we thought we were.
We've obviously never been what we thought we were.
Because the church and the system took those ancient texts and distorted them.
Go to your Catholic priest.
Go to your Baptist preacher.
You read them Genesis and Ezekiel and all that and a seven-year-old that had never heard about any of this, you could read to them this stuff and they'd say, those are aliens or those are us or those are something like us.
But the preacher, oh no, that's an analogy.
That doesn't say that.
Well, the hell it doesn't.
dan friesen
So, seven-year-olds often don't know a lot.
But yeah, I do think that priests are too wishy-washy about aliens in the Bible.
jordan holmes
I've always said that.
dan friesen
This episode is so fucking stupid.
jordan holmes
When I was 15, I was working at the Mashindo God Camp, and the first thing I thought was like, man, these priests are unwilling to take a stand for the right cause, and that is Giants fucking kids in the Bible.
dan friesen
I had the same feeling about Camp Canna Cook counselors.
They definitely were not open to the alien interpretation of the Bible.
jordan holmes
Totally get it.
dan friesen
Yep.
And that's the problem with the world.
jordan holmes
Cowardice!
dan friesen
And honestly, that's why it's not just something that was imprinted on our genetic memory, is because all of these ancient texts, they all have alien invasions in them, and you only just think that there aren't.
jordan holmes
I think my rebuttal to the epigenetic argument being imprinted would be that if this group of people repeats this behavior generationally, regardless of what era they're in, that is probably the imprinted memory, not the one that...
Only Alex Jones has.
dan friesen
Well, here's the great thing about your argument.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
It's fine.
You don't even need a rebuttal.
Alex abandoned his own argument in the middle of it.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
dan friesen
So...
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
dan friesen
Don't even need to fight it.
jordan holmes
I bounce.
I bounce.
I'm out.
dan friesen
So we have one last clip.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And it's...
I just...
This guy's a fucking dumb-dumb.
alex jones
And they believe they've been given a directive by the bad guys that are giving them the technology again.
To set up a tyranny, not to empower.
They believe they're going to have a seat at the table, and they believe, yeah, there's one of the medieval paintings, a bunch of them.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
alex jones
They believe that they're going to be given life extension, but, oh, in all the texts and all the globalists, now externalization of the hierarchy where they admit it.
Oh, the future's not human.
We're about to become a new species, merge with machines that are good for the earth that don't put out carbon.
Carbon's what creates the atmosphere and keeps it going.
But from day one, they're like, we're getting rid of the carbon.
And I've got mainline news today saying we want to tax breathing.
All humans are bad, not just cows.
Well, of course they teach you cows are bad, now you're bad.
I mean, it's ridiculous.
It is an anti-carbon-based life-form attack.
And it gets us to build the system that replaces us and destroys it.
And we have to have a global awakening to this.
Take control of our directed evolution.
dan friesen
Wipe out.
It's just childhood's end.
It's just the aliens come down and they want to get rid of carbon-based life forms because they can't live in a carbon-based environment.
unidentified
There you go.
dan friesen
I'm blown away how stupid this shit is.
jordan holmes
Ridiculous.
dan friesen
It's pathetic.
It's sad as a human because it's not interesting.
It is interesting.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I would like to hear all this stuff.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
I would like to hear Alex talk for an hour about his feelings about ancient civilizations.
Deliver it in a coherent thread or whatever.
I'll listen to that.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
I would listen to his version of Bill Cooper's Mystery Babylon or whatever, some 40-hour series of fucking lectures.
jordan holmes
Why not?
dan friesen
I would do that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
What I don't want is this, because it's incomprehensible.
I have no idea what point he's trying to make.
And it's in response to the popularity of memes about drones over New Jersey.
Like, that's what's going on here.
I don't care about the underlying story.
Yeah.
I find that empty.
And that's the feeling that I get from Alex about this stuff.
It's not even stupid.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I feel like...
I feel like it would be worth...
This would all be worth it if I thought someone was having fun.
And ultimately, I think only you and I had fun with it.
dan friesen
I had a little fun.
jordan holmes
Right?
But I mean, like, Alex isn't having fun with his...
dan friesen
No, it doesn't feel like it.
jordan holmes
It doesn't feel like he's having fun.
He's reciting the plot of Atlantis, The Lost Empire, starring Michael J. Fox.
dan friesen
Pretending that he's a scholar in platonic philosophy.
jordan holmes
I mean, my man, Ernest, was in Atlantis.
Ernest P. Worrell!
dan friesen
Jim Varney?
jordan holmes
Yeah!
And he's not even having a good time?
dan friesen
Slinky dog.
jordan holmes
You can't have Ernest in your life and not have a good time.
I just think that's true.
unidentified
Well, you know, you should ask Vern.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
He's really the only one who can tell you for sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he had some struggles at times.
That's true.
dan friesen
The two of them seem to have some confrontational...
jordan holmes
I will say that when Ernest went to jail, he was not perhaps as racially sensitive as you could have been.
dan friesen
What about when he went to Africa?
jordan holmes
That was about...
dan friesen
Perfect.
jordan holmes
Right on.
Season to perfection.
dan friesen
Much like Alex should revisit some of Orwell's writings, maybe you should revisit that if that's what you think about Ernest Goes to Africa.
jordan holmes
Maybe not.
dan friesen
Maybe not.
Yeah, I want some of this.
And as much as Alex has unlimited time to kill, just fucking tell me actually what you think about aliens and all this stuff.
Just be honest about it.
jordan holmes
Like the globalists.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
You would be fine with the globalists killing everybody if they would just be honest about it.
dan friesen
No.
I would be fine with Alex believing really stupid shit if he packaged it in a way that was coherent.
And interesting.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
But this is the packaging is wrong.
jordan holmes
No, it's not good.
dan friesen
And I don't care about these memes.
jordan holmes
It's unfun.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's unfun!
dan friesen
Also, it does call into question, like, if you believe this shit about other civilizations from Earth getting off Earth and all this, how long have you believed that?
Is that why you wanted Ron Paul to win?
How far back does this interstellar bullshit go?
Does it just go to when you saw X, Y, or Z movie?
Is that when this awareness of ancient scripture?
jordan holmes
I might even go so far as to say he believes that just now, when he said it.
And then stopped believing it the moment it was no longer in his mouth.
dan friesen
Yeah, I suspect that there's a dynamic of that being half the case.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Because you do see a real shift in the tone of the episode after Alex accidentally says, like, a lot of this is human unless Atlantis never went away.
And then it kind of goes down a whole different train.
jordan holmes
Just having a great time.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So that might have been an accident.
He might have just kept talking.
unidentified
You know what?
jordan holmes
I guess now I believe this.
How about that?
unidentified
Yeah.
Whoops.
jordan holmes
That's my day today.
I'll see you tomorrow.
dan friesen
Stupid improv game where he just, oh, I'm committed to that now.
jordan holmes
You know what?
That's what, yes and, Alex.
dan friesen
I'll reset my reality tomorrow.
Yep.
I know yesterday I was really mad about Luigi Mangione being a mind control assassin.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
Connected to the Pelosi's, but now aliens are upon us, so.
jordan holmes
There is a.
There is a power in non-continuity.
dan friesen
There is.
I do worry a tiny bit about the way that people are engaging with this drone stuff.
It does have a feeling of like, this could get out of hand pretty quick.
jordan holmes
I worry about how everyone is engaging with everything.
Yep.
dan friesen
And we'll find out what's next.
See if the aliens arrive before our next episode.
But until we find out...
We have a website.
jordan holmes
Indeed we do.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Yep.
We'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZXBark.
I am the Mysterious Professor.
jordan holmes
Woo!
unidentified
Yeah!
Woo!
Yeah!
Woo!
steve quayle
And now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
jordan holmes
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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