Tucker Carlson’s shift from mainstream credibility to promoting Christian nationalism and white identity—backed by $15M from 1789 Capital—reveals hypocrisy, as he dismisses "lying by omission" while editing out Ye’s anti-Semitic remarks. He frames war skepticism as wisdom, yet flip-flops on military interventions like Iraq, blames Ukraine’s conflict on "Satan," and absurdly ties Tammy Duckworth’s combat advocacy to misogyny. Skepticism of UFO disclosures morphs into spiritual claims about "summoning," exposing a pattern of cherry-picked narratives over reason. Carlson’s latest stances read more like entertainment than policy, underscoring how his media empire thrives on spectacle rather than substance. [Automatically generated summary]
And Al has reinforced my perception that is somewhat controversial, although some people have jumped on board with it, and that is affirming that the European mind is very interested in marshmallows.
So, Jordan, today, like I said, Alex has been out of studio, and I wasn't in the mood to talk about what the underlings who were wearing their dad's ill-fitting suit were up to, so I decided to go afield for today's episode.
I've said in the past that I want to cover Tucker Carlson more and I should be clear with folks that that is something that's gonna happen God damn it I'm not gonna leave Alex by And he's a person who can do public interviews about how he was attacked by a literal demon,
and somehow this doesn't ruin his career.
One of the things that gives Alex the power, the power to the content that he has, it's the ability to take the image of being serious and funneling that towards extreme ideas.
He pretends to be an intrepid and virilever, investigator who just covers what he can prove based on the secret documents and deep level sources that he has.
He takes that credibility that the character he's created implies, then he uses that to sell the audience white identity ideology and extreme right-wing Christian nationalism as a If the facts are the devil's fucking with you, then the devil's fucking with you.
Tucker is engaged in a similar pivot, where he's built up the credibility of the character of a newsman, broadcasting a respectable show on cable TV, which he's now deploying to sell similar religious messaging.
There's an insidiousness to this whole project because folks like Tucker and Alex only operate like this because they know that they couldn't sell their message any other way.
If on day one at Fox News, Tucker got on air and said that he was attacked by a demon and that the presidential election was a fight between a benevolent father figure and the literal devil, he would have never been given the opportunity to cultivate the character of a respectable newsman that he's now exploiting.
People would have seen through it and they rightly would have ignored him and he would have been cast aside.
But now he's become too much of a problem because of the fake persona that he's built up that he can get away with this kind of shit.
The moment we're in right now is very interesting because it's one where it seems like Tucker doesn't see any benefit in maintaining the old facade that he had.
There's a real smoke-em-if-you-got-em kind of feeling around his recent career, and I think that that's a bad portent, and I think it's something worth not glossing over.
Anyway, today we're going to talk about an interview that Tucker recently did on an outlet called Redacted News.
Well, I was actually working that morning when it came out, I guess, because by the time I got to my phone, it was just overwhelming.
You know, that's the last job you would want.
I'm 55. You know, after 33 years in the media, I don't want to sit in a room full of people from CBS News.
You know what I mean?
I have to post some party lines.
I love Trump.
I voted for Trump.
I did rallies for Trump.
Adult men can speak for themselves, and I don't think anybody, at least any middle-aged man, I speak for the middle-aged man community, wants to read other people's talking points.
I mean, you know, of course not.
And I definitely would not do that.
I would not.
Most people haven't been to the briefing room for the White House.
It's the most depressing, airless, sad.
Kind of just creepy.
It smells like a Tim Walz's locker room.
You know, it's just like naughty stuff is going on.
This guy interviewing Tucker is Clayton Morris, one of the hosts of Redacted News.
He and his wife were real estate folks, and he was a host on Fox& Friends for a bit, but weirdly, in 2019, they up and moved to Portugal.
His wife claimed, quote, I'm not one of those who rejects America.
We had a good life there, but my husband and I have had a hard few years in our business, and this collective soul challenge forced us to question everything.
This collective soul challenge doesn't involve the 90s grunge band collective soul.
Instead, it's a reference to a barrage of lawsuits that Clayton had filed against him, alleging fraudulent business practices.
It was alleged that Clayton organized the sale of properties in Indiana to folks living out of state, with the understanding that the properties would be rehabbed and then rented out, and his business would take care of all of that process.
These out-of-state parties were, in essence, investors in the purchase and flipping of these rental properties.
The New York Times describes the plan like this.
Their plan was to connect mom-and-pop investors with turnkey investment homes in Detroit, Indianapolis, Jacksonville, Florida, and several other cities.
Their company, Morris Invest, would handle all the details, finding properties, overseeing renovations, hiring property managers to rent out the houses.
their checks to arrive.
So this started to become a problem because investors started learning that these properties were not being renovated, and in some cases were Sure.
Sure.
For instance, one man bought a home that was destroyed in a fire days after the fire, and he was unaware of that detail.
In the midst of this fallout, as lawsuits started piling up, Clayton and Morrison Vest pointed the finger at a company called Ocean Point and its founder, Burt Whalen.
So I'm not sure the extent to which Clayton or Morris Invest knew what was up and how much they were just happy to feed customers into a fraud racket and collect a fee, but I do know that in 2022, Waylon admitted to federal charges involving conspiracy to commit wire fraud.
Part of his confession involved admitting that he had defrauded the investors, going so far as to create fake leases to trick them into thinking that their properties were occupied by tenants, when in reality, they were often nowhere near ready to be rented, or...
In some cases were vacant lots.
He also commingled some rent payments from actually occupied properties and, quote, selected which investors would be paid from the pool of funds in order to silence investors who voiced concerns and evade detection of the fraud.
So essentially, Burt Whalen and Ocean Point were running a real estate fraud pyramid scheme.
And whether or not Clayton Morris was involved in it directly, he traded in his fame and Fox News celebrity status to direct investors to work with Whalen.
The New York Times talked to a guy named Brian Freeman, who lost $40,000 in the scam, who describes Clayton like this.
Quote, He comes across as this nice, likable family guy.
He's famous, and I thought he's not going to ruin his entire reputation.
Obviously, in hindsight, I feel like such an idiot.
It's tough to imagine that Clayton wouldn't have uncovered this very clear scam if he'd exercised due diligence in vetting who he was working with.
So I guess he was either complicit in this real estate scam or he was so uninterested in what he was profiting off selling to people that he was duped into being the front man for an obvious scam.
Either way, I can see how this would be a, quote, collective soul challenge for him and his wife that would lead them to moving to Portugal.
So-called redacted news where he talks about the real important issues that the man won't cover, like whatever was popular on right-wing dipshit Twitter that day.
So it's cool to learn that these guys are friends with a future president.
You know, they're both such cool dudes.
Like, one of them was attacked by a demon, and one was the middleman, witting or unwitting in an elaborate real estate fraud scheme.
These are the kind of people you want the president hanging out with.
What I'm curious about, in terms of what Tucker just said, though, is that he said that he's been with Trump in a bunch of different countries, and he's always the same.
Let's not forget that Mike Tyson served about three years in prison after he was convicted of rape.
I know that folks like Tucker aren't particularly interested in real sex criminals, but maybe Tucker should be mad that Mike Tyson got a tattoo of Mao while he was in jail.
Go on a health binge for a few weeks and feel great, and then just have one or two off meals, and I feel like Homer Simpson, like in just a short order.
It's pretty remarkable.
And then it's a slippery slope, and then I just want to keep doing it, just keep eating more donuts.
I was thinking about this, and I was just thinking, like, no good administrator has ever won a popularity contest, and yet the only people we put in charge win popularity contests.
I think he has learned the lesson a lot of us learn over time, which is you can't trust anyone who hasn't been humiliated in public unless someone's really been through it.
You know, really been through, been fired from his job, accused of a crime, you know, and stayed true to what he believed.
Hasn't collapsed inside and become Michael Cohen.
You know, it's only people like that you can really trust under pressure.
And I certainly feel that way in my life, which is why when I got fired from my last job, the people I brought with me are the people who came with me, you know, because they've been through all this stuff and I knew who they were.
It's easy to be, you know, a great person if there's no pressure applied to you.
But when things start to fall apart, you know, people move in directions you can't anticipate.
So you want tough people.
Courage is the indispensable requirement, I think, for leadership.
Getting fired from Fox wasn't the first time Tucker was publicly humiliated.
He wore a bow tie for years and got dunked on by Jon Stewart so hard that he stopped wearing bow ties.
I get what Tucker is trying to say, and it's an idea that you need to have integrity and that oftentimes people cave to public pressure, and that's not the kind of person you want around.
It's not a strong leader who can be swayed by public opinion.
This is an all-right idea at its core, but it's being applied in a grotesque way here, where the standard for a person's integrity is some kind of public humiliation.
I think what Tucker is missing is keeping any actual standards for how people behave after this public humiliation, where he's just arbitrarily deciding that the people he likes are the ones who had the courage to withstand that challenge.
My reason for thinking this is that Tucker doesn't even come close to passing his own test.
He was publicly humiliated in the mid-2000s, and he changed his entire shtick from being a neoconservative George W. Bush supporter to being a fake populist right-winger on Fox News.
Then he was publicly humiliated again as it relates to the 2020 election coverage and that lawsuit, and he changed his shtick again from being a fake populist right-wing guy to being a fucking idiot who pretends he was attacked by a demon and sells anti-woke smokeless tobacco.
This is Tucker attempting to play the classic Alex game, where consequences are an indication of virtue.
Alex believes that he only gets attacked because he's over the target, and therefore he's a danger to his imaginary enemies, and this is what's underneath what Tucker is trying to express.
He only experiences public humiliation if it's a test from the globalists, and if you fail that test and change who you are, then you didn't have it to begin with.
There's also a thread of really mob-sounding shit in there, where Michael Cohen is the example of someone who faced the heat from the cops, and he revealed that he was disloyal to the boss.
I don't think that's specifically what Tucker wants to evoke, but it's coming across a little bit.
This loyalty to Trump is the metal that's being tested.
I mean, I don't know if he means it this way, but to a certain extent, I agree with Tucker wholeheartedly for why this would work.
If you have gone through the public humiliation, you are essentially untouchable.
You know, like, again, Trump grabs him by the pussy and he can do it in public now.
So, like, once you've gone through the humiliation and made it through the other side, there's nothing that, you know, and that's why Tucker can change his stick.
Yeah, I wonder, because you're right, there is a little bit of that mob shit with Cohen, too, though, is that, like, Cohen revealed that he's willing to have a conscience or whatever.
It's easy to say or even to believe the right things.
But it's harder to carry them out under fire.
And so I do think he's appointed people who've been through it.
I mean, Tulsi Gabbard has been through it.
Bobby has been through it.
Matt Gaetz, whatever you think, has been through it.
I mean, Matt Gaetz got accused of child sex trafficking by the Department of Justice, which then never charged him for child sex trafficking, which if you think about it, like, people need to go to doing that.
I mean, how would you like if I'm like, you know, the DOJ announced today that Clayton Morris is, you know, responsible for genocide in Central Africa.
Okay.
Well, prove it.
And then you get fired from your job and all your neighbors hate you and your wife divorces you or whatever.
Like, your world falls apart.
And the DOJ is like, well, actually, we're not charging him for genocide in Central Africa.
It's like, the people who did that to you should be punished for it.
And they did that to Matt Gaetz.
If he's a child sex trafficker, prove it in court, bitch.
unidentified
And if he's not, you're killing a crime by saying yes.
So the DOJ didn't accuse Matt Gaetz of child sex trafficking.
They investigated an allegation that was brought to them by a witness about him doing drugs and having sex with a minor.
They looked into it, but didn't press charges against him.
However, Gaetz's friend Joel Greenberg is currently in jail because of all this, doing 11 years after pleading guilty to charges including underage sex trafficking.
The House Ethics Committee has wanted to release their report on an investigation about the allegations against Gates, but Republicans have been blocking that for a while, notably when Trump had nominated Gates to be Attorney General.
There's an argument that ethics reports aren't supposed to be put out during a time when there's an election because of the political implications of a race.
I don't agree with that, but some people make that argument.
Now that he's withdrawn himself from consideration for that position and resigned from Congress, seemingly destined for a budding career in the right-wing shit-talk industry, the Ethics Committee has voted to release their report.
As of the time of recording this episode, that's not out yet, so I have no idea what it'll say.
No idea.
Probably not a surprise that Tucker has indicates, though.
He was just talking about how Mike Tyson's a great guy, so maybe there's a pattern here.
I mean, the moment you're a guy who says something very similar to if you actually, like, take the meaning of his words, something along the lines of the only thing worse than rape is being falsely accused of rape.
So Clayton Morris has a point here that actually was where this transcended into like, okay, this is kind of bringing up an interesting point that I want to cover.
Not said to me, but you've said, I think, publicly a couple of times after you left your last job.
It's about lying by omission.
And I think about that often doing the show that we do because it's very easy to lie by omission, to build a show and to leave out key things because it makes you uncomfortable.
You don't have a requirement to say everything you think or know.
You just can't say lies.
It would be impossible to say everything at once that you know to be true.
He's just a pillar of integrity.
Incidentally, Tucker has a habit of lying by omission to his audience.
He was caught in a particularly grotesque instance of this after he interviewed Ye, who was presented as quote, not crazy and quote, worth listening to.
Unfortunately, someone leaked footage that Tucker shot but edited out of the released interview where Ye said a bunch of anti-Semitic shit, accused Louis Vuitton of murder, and rambled about how there were children who'd been replaced by actors in his house.
Tucker lied by omission to his audience because he wanted to.
It was profitable to do that interview, and he knew that he could edit the interview just enough so it would advance Tucker's interests that aligned with what Ye was saying at the time.
He knew that.
That was a calculation that he made, so he lied by omission.
Tucker's not only a master of lying by omission, he also has literally said in interviews that he's willing to lie if he feels backed in to a corner in a conversation.
Tucker Carlson is a giant liar, and that's important to remember when he starts blowing hard about honesty and how important it is.
I think you could end up in a pretty difficult position there, though, too, because I think some, if you have just a transcript, that might even be sane-washing because some of the meter and the way he delivers certain things are lost in translation from his delivery to the page.
I think there's an element to that, and I think that some of it is the same thing that Tucker is pretending to be concerned about, which is you can't...
You're obligated not to tell untruths, not to say everything that is true.
And I think that sometimes well-meaning people even can...
Rogan didn't invent podcasting even by a wide interpretation of that definition.
There were existing podcasting businesses before Rogan, and really when it's all said and done, the innovation that Rogan had in terms of podcasting is the refinement of reveling in idiocy.
Coast to Coast AM existed before Rogan, and it reveled in a lot of the same dumb waters.
You can take some trippy nonsense that you can't really explain, like Bigfoot, and then talk to someone who pretends to be a scholar about that stuff, and then have your mind blown by the fact that you can't really disprove the stuff they're saying.
It sometimes creates interesting thoughts, and it's fun content, but when it's treated as more important than that, you get into trouble.
And that's what Rogan's done.
He's taken rolling around in shit seriously, and because he's a cool comedian with cool comedian friends, he's been able to translate that into the media empire that he now runs.
He's become so rich and famous that he's able to get whatever guest he wants on the show, and he's able to use the platform as a bully pulpit for whatever poorly thought-through thing he's been dealing with that week, or whatever's on dipshit social media.
If anybody pioneered what Rogan did by making it into the mainstream, Howard Stern pushed this concept out there and then allowed for an independent media to ape it.
If there's a lesson of what happened to television and newspapers, print, and legacy media, is they died because they were corrupt.
I mean, the business models changed, etc., etc.
There are ways to...
They won't evolve.
The people who work at NBC News will not have careers in journalism 10 years from now.
And the reason they won't is not because of technology.
It's because they have no credibility because they're corrupt.
They're liars.
So that's really the lesson.
Corruption kills you, especially in a business predicated on trust, which is the media.
Don't emulate that.
Don't be corrupt.
And, you know, there are people on social media influencers on both sides, and we're learning more about it now, who took money in order to endorse certain people or ideas.
That's corrupt.
I mean, look, I take advertising.
I think you do, too.
It's okay to say, I'm being paid to promote this product.
And by the way, I like this product or whatever you say, but it's very clear you're being paid to promote something.
It secretly promoting things for money is, you know, maybe you make, you know, a decent living doing that.
But over time, it devalues your currency and makes people not believe you, not trust you.
Why would they?
And there was some of that in this last cycle.
And I hope the people who did it will just admit that they did it and be very open about it.
And I hope it's not like a story we find out about in five years and all of a sudden, you know, people don't trust us anymore.
So in 2023, when Tucker was setting up his new company after getting the boot from Fox, he got funding from a firm called 1789 Capital, which is run by an anti-woke businessman named Amid Malik.
Incidentally, last month it was announced that Donald Trump Jr. is becoming a partner of 1789 Capital, joining Malik and Rebecca Mercer.
According to Reuters, quote, the idea for 1789 Capital began at a secretive conservative donor group, Rockbridge Network, which was co-founded by Buskirk and VP-elect JD Vance.
When Tucker launched his first sponsor was an anti-woke app called Public Square, SQ, Public SQ, whose board of directors includes 1789 Capital founder Omid Malik.
The Mercer family is behind this, and also now Donald Trump Jr., the son of the president, who I am sycophantically talking about how he can digest fast food, is on the board of this company that gave me $15 million.
You know how I've said in the past, like, what I want is a mirror that forces these people to see them true selves?
But then, you know, just listening to that, maybe the power of being a true out-and-out psychopath, like straight-up psychopath, is that you can look into that mirror.
It makes a lot of sense, and that's what I worry about for independent media.
I mean, we are, as you know, especially on the right, we're under enormous pressure already from these censors.
You know, if you're broadcasting on YouTube, you're already...
You know, up against it.
Every day in our live stream, I see some people saying, we don't even receive notifications when you go live.
YouTube doesn't tell us you're going live.
You're suppressed.
So we know.
We know who we are.
We're already up against it.
And now you're going to layer on this additional level of corruption.
I don't want to say it's corrupt.
It's just immoral, really.
To say that you, I love Kamala Harris, I love Kamala Harris, and you guys got to go out and vote for her, and I'm not going to tell my audience that I received tens of thousands of dollars from her, or the same on the Trump side, that you're not going to say that.
And I don't know, by the way, I don't know how widespread that is, but if even the suspicion arises that people are not telling the truth because they're paid to, they're being paid to lie.
I think that's incredibly cruel.
I don't think.
I know, because I just exited 30 years in that business.
That's very corrosive.
So I hope that that is not happening in any widespread way, and I hope that it ends.
Because, I mean, more than anything, I would much rather be wrong.
I have been wrong a million times, including about big things.
But I don't want to be dishonest, and I don't want to be seen as dishonest, both for my own reasons of integrity, but also because that, like...
If we find out, and again, I haven't even heard this story, and if this is, you know a lot more than I do, I will say that 100%.
And your sources are phenomenal, so I will say that.
But if we find out that, like, you know...
The RNC or somebody from some super PAC related to Trump was paying off conservative YouTubers or Rumble people or something like that.
I think that would be deeply disturbing on that side, too, not just on the person who accepted the money, but it would raise a lot of questions for me on the backside, I guess.
I'd have to really wrestle with that and sit and think with that, because my immediate reaction would be bothered by it.
But maybe not.
Like, if I sat with it for a while, I'd be like, well, maybe is it any different than some other television ad?
Also, it's really important to note that the elephant in the room here is that a bunch of Tucker's associates just got caught taking huge amounts of money from a Russian government front called Tenet Media.
The folks at Tenet Media didn't initially want to post Tucker's video where he's amazed at the Russian supermarket because they said it was, quote, like overt shilling.
I don't know how to agree to which this is understood, but I just will say it.
A war with Iran is a world war.
This is not 2002.
Iran is now part of a coalition that includes the biggest economies in the world and the largest militaries in the world.
So a war with Iran means a war in effect or, you know, by proxy, but still a war with Russia, China, Turkey and a lot of the rest of the world.
So that's a world war.
It's not just as simple as we're going to take out their nuclear facilities.
OK, how are you going to do that?
I don't want to be bitter about it, but to me it's really simple.
Anybody...
Who would even consider having a war with Russia or Iran should not be in any position of power at all in this administration or any other administration.
It's super simple.
And I think especially Ukraine is so obvious.
Now, there is some debate on Iran.
And I'm not, of course, I'm not endorsing Iran.
I'm not a Shiite.
But there's really no debate at this point about the debacle that has been Ukraine.
Ukraine's not going to win.
It's just completely destroyed Ukraine.
It hasn't crushed Russia.
It's really hurt the United States.
So anyone who can't say that out loud should not have a job in the federal bureaucracy.
So that's my litmus test.
It's not about people or personality.
Of course, I know them all, as I know you do too, and I like a lot of them.
I even like some of the guys I disagree with.
One in particular I like very much.
Nice guy, good guy.
But it's a simple, practical test for whether or not you should wield power.
Do you have the requisite wisdom to lead my country?
And if you're still defending the war in Ukraine, you do not have the requisite wisdom to lead my country.
But, yeah, I don't think it's that much of a surprise to hear Tucker being like, my hardcore baseline issue is whether or not you support Putin taking over Ukraine.
Like, I think that they're a horrible thing that exists in war, and I think that we probably shouldn't use them for a lot of the very reasons that Tucker's describing.
So, I don't know, maybe he's just really overcommitted to some of this imagery and this language because he's a desperate shithead who's trying to sell anti-woke tobacco.
And you do see that expressions of good, manifestations of good, are sometimes followed, and vice versa, by outbursts of evil.
And I don't think there's any other way to read that.
And by counterattack in that tweet, which I wrote this morning, I don't have my Twitter...
So I sent it to my office and said, please tweet this.
I thought of it in my sauna this morning.
But I was like, I was just brooding on it and saying prayers about it.
And I was like, I think, you know, I think Trump, I don't know that Trump's like a super faithful Christian or anything, but I know a lot of very faithful Christians prayed for Trump.
And I think it had an effect.
I do.
I think it was the determinative effect.
I really believe that.
And the counterattack is promoting war for its own sake without any promise of any kind of meaningful victory.
Truly war for the sake of killing people.
Totally unadorned.
No one's even pretending that we're going to get democracy or something if these missiles kill Putin.
I mean, there's no argument even.
It's like, no, we're killing because we can.
That is the definition of evil.
And if I could just say one thing that does distress me about American society is that not enough time has been spent thinking about how violence is bad.
So now, I think that there's this very interesting alliance between Alex and Tucker because of convenience and because Tucker wants to cash in on Alex's status as a prophet or whatever the fuck he's doing.
And Alex has very little options in terms of people who will respect him and take him seriously who have a wide reach.
So now here's what I think is really fascinating beyond the rank chauvinism of that clip.
Clayton starts off the clip talking about how they trotted out Tammy Duckworth to talk about how great women are in the military, and she has no limbs.
There's that, and it's kind of disgusting, but this is where he's starting off the premise.
They trotted her out in order to sort of promote women in the military.
If we have a country, then the whole purpose of the military is to prevent our women from being killed and raped.
That's the only reason we have a military.
And so if instead we're asking women to fight our wars for us, that's grotesque and dishonorable.
And so it's not a question of women's rights.
It's a question of men's obligations as men, as protectors and providers.
That's our job.
Now, I know we're living in a period where we can pretend that's not our job, and your wife's got a job at Citibank, and she's a provider or whatever, but this is just a moment in time.
This is just a spot on a continuum, and that is not the rule.
Biology doesn't suggest that that's true.
It's not real.
And, you know, over time, people will look back on this and say, boy, those people talk themselves into some seriously destructive nonsense.
But most destructive of all is the idea that, you know, I'm going to sit back and let the women in my house fight a war?
Are you joking?
If I have a home invasion of my house, do I say to my wife, you know what, I got the last one.
It's an interesting glimpse into how fundamentally chauvinist he views the natural order.
There's a sense that we'll look back on this time when we pretended that women had jobs, and that was cute, and we'll look back on that as a delusion of time, and like, okay, man.
I think the reason that you feel the desire to fight is because Tucker exists enough in the real world that it feels like he's touching on real things.
With Alex, there's no chance we're ever going to have agreement, and you are...
Just some kind of crazy off in the middle of nowhere.
Last thing I'll say, Antifa, which was, of course, laid dormant during the entire four years of Biden because they are the youth wing of the Democratic Party.
Maybe they'll be mobilized again.
But they were always like, we're so radical, we're Antifa.
And I always thought to myself, if you're really radical, why are you never mentioning the fact that credit card companies are charging 20% interest?
You know, they're always radical, like, we hate white people, or, you know, we hate any group that's not voting for the Democratic Party.
You know, they hate whites because they're not voting Democrat.
That's why they hate whites.
Now they're going to hate Hispanics, because Hispanics aren't either.
I hope Hispanics are ready to be denounced.
But they never said a word about the actual power in this country, and the banks are at the very top of that pyramid.
The people who live off the interest that you pay, that enslaves you.
Well, you can't be anti-fascist and also at the same time be like, well, credit cards should absolutely be able to charge the amount of interest that they desire.
So essentially what happened is that when Tucker was spending a lot of time yelling about Antifa, he was lying by omission, by not talking about what these groups actually were and what they believed in, because it was much more advantageous for him to create this...
This boogeyman of, hey, they just hate white people.
I'll get you out of here on this, and I would be remiss if I didn't ask you this, because back in the day, when you and I were sitting there on Fox& Friends couch and talking for three hours, four hours a day in commercial breaks and having coffee, you and I would often talk about UFOs, UAPs, and all of this stuff.
And I was a crazy person, of course.
But you had this hearing, of course, the other day.
And we're past the point.
Yes, aliens exist, whatever.
We have reverse engineered their craft.
We have these materials.
We know this now.
That's on the congressional record.
We have this stuff.
Let's move the conversation beyond that.
I want to ask you about zero-point energy and these technologies that I think this government has in their possession.
Are you hopeful at all that these members of Congress, Nancy Mace and others are going to be able to Timbershed and others are going to be able to pull this out of these deep these deep programs and release it?
Like what's your when you're when you're in the smoky filled rooms?
One of the members, I don't want to betray secrets, but one of the, and I think this is correct, the members of Congress you just mentioned, I won't say which, pushed hard on the UAP Disclosure Act of 2022, which has never kind of been enacted, and as a result was primaried by his own party, which is, you know, the kind of maximum punishment in electoral politics.
So there is a massive, we cannot overstate the effort in place to prevent disclosure.
Is that for all the things that these people we've listened to them lie about, I 100% believe that he believes there is instantaneous travel somewhere.