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Sept. 30, 2024 - Knowledge Fight
01:36:37
#968: September 25-26, 2024

In this installment, Dan and Jordan check in on Alex's triumphant return from PA, where he has to get back to the reality that his business is being auctioned off, which leads to some crass ads and strange religious thoughts.

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Main voices
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alex jones
24:08
d
dan friesen
38:45
j
jordan holmes
24:42
Appearances
r
robert j oneill
03:50
Clips
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pastor david manning
00:02
r
roger stone
00:57
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steve quayle
00:02
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Knowledge Fight.
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.
unidentified
knowledge fight dan and jordan knowledge fight need need money andy and kansas andy andy andy stop it andy andy andy andy andy it's time to pray andy andy andy you're on the air thanks for holding me hello alex i'm a first time calling in my future I love you.
dan friesen
Hey everybody!
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are.
unidentified
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today, buddy?
dan friesen
My bright spot today could easily be this mustache that I have continued to put on my face.
jordan holmes
Yes.
Every morning you apply it.
dan friesen
Which also, I was thinking about this, this raises some questions, because we have mustache causality from the time tunnel.
jordan holmes
That is true!
dan friesen
Is this yet another mustache that has been created by the time tunnel?
jordan holmes
Man, since we started watching that show, there has been a surprising number of weird coincidences, usually based around...
Coincidences in time eras overlapping.
dan friesen
And now mustaches.
jordan holmes
And now mustaches.
dan friesen
But no, my bright spot today is there's a new Oreo on the market.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Coca-Cola Oreos.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
dan friesen
They're trash.
jordan holmes
I believe you.
dan friesen
I do not like them, but I appreciate the idea of trying to turn a soda into a cookie.
I respect the game.
unidentified
I hate...
jordan holmes
I can't imagine an alchemist in the 1600s not being like, agreed.
Totally.
That makes perfect sense.
dan friesen
There's a lot of hubris involved in that decision for this flavor.
And I tip my hat, but it's bad.
jordan holmes
It's not a good cookie.
No, no, no.
The Philosopher's Stone will not be made by Oreo, apparently.
dan friesen
But, hey.
Keep on trying.
What's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
My bright spot is I'm getting my computer fixed.
Nice.
My other laptop that I used for other stuff got caught.
Cord got caught.
dan friesen
Dog accident.
jordan holmes
Fanny ran around.
unidentified
Boom.
jordan holmes
Hit the floor.
Bad move.
Yesterday I took it to a repair shop.
My kind of repair shop.
Because there was a guy.
End of story.
There was an office, not furnished, not painted, random shit strewn about, strewn about.
The table is covered with just loose, loosey computer parts.
dan friesen
It's amazing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
It is my type of place because it's clearly a guy who is there.
I don't know if this is his main job or not.
But he is there, and all he does is fix computers.
He has no business acumen.
He is not spending his budget on ads.
dan friesen
There's no bells or whistles here.
unidentified
Nope.
jordan holmes
This man fixes computers.
Problem?
He was supposed to get back to me an hour and he has not gotten back to me.
It's been about a day.
But it's a Saturday and a Sunday.
dan friesen
This might be a situation where your computer has been stolen.
jordan holmes
Maybe gone for good.
Or maybe just parts.
Maybe other parts now on his thing.
And this was actually like a witch's bargain that I made.
And when I go back, I will have a completely different computer from a series of, I guess, gumdrops.
It would be the witch version.
dan friesen
See, that's an optimistic view of what could happen.
jordan holmes
Cup drop computer is an optimistic view.
dan friesen
Based on what I'm hearing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This might not have been a computer repair shop that you went into.
Some guy might have stolen your computer for parts.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And you're never going to hear from this person again.
You're going to go back there.
There's no storefront.
jordan holmes
It would be nice.
dan friesen
It is a Dunkin' Donuts now.
jordan holmes
I would prefer a Brigadoon scenario to anything.
Again, this is my type of repair shop.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Ultimately, that computer, whether it lives or dies, it's just another computer.
But if that shop is Brigadoon, I'd discover Brigadoon.
dan friesen
I also think that from knowing you, you would rather this person...
jordan holmes
Yes, 100%.
I will take zero computer and this guy getting it in a weird way over a real computer any day of the week.
dan friesen
That negative outcome mixed with whimsy.
jordan holmes
Life is supposed to be fun!
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today we've got an episode to go over.
It remains to be seen if it's fun.
But we're going to be talking about September 25th and 26th, 2024.
This is when Alex returns.
Returned from Pennsylvania.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
From his triumph at the live show in Reading.
And, I don't know.
He's in a mood.
jordan holmes
I mean...
dan friesen
His shit's getting sold.
jordan holmes
Relatively speaking?
I would say, based on the cheers, he did win the Pennsylvania show.
dan friesen
Yeah.
If anyone won, it was him.
Or Joe from Texas.
jordan holmes
Joe from Texas.
He won our hearts, that's for sure.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Still not sure what he's selling.
I haven't looked it up since the episode.
jordan holmes
Just selling Joe.
dan friesen
But, yeah, triumphant in a way.
But then you've got to come back to reality, and your shit's all getting auctioned off.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And maybe that's a little bit of a bummer.
We'll see what kind of mood he's in.
jordan holmes
I just want price tags on everything.
I do, too.
You know those little Price is Right tags?
That's what I want.
That's the visual I want.
dan friesen
Showcase number one!
jordan holmes
100% Showcase Showdown!
Yes, 100%.
dan friesen
So, let's take a little moment before we get into this to say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, every time ChatGPT goes, uh, or um, I want to burn down a server center.
Thank you so much, you're not a Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a Policy Wonk!
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Kate, I'm outing you as a wonk for your birthday.
Love, your big sister.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And you guys are great and make my life better.
Thank you statement.
And on to the main point, my policy wonk shout-out request.
I would be very pleased if Dan said the following, Hello, future Nick from past Nick via present Dan's voice.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
That present Dan voice had a mustache.
jordan holmes
It did.
dan friesen
Time.
jordan holmes
Time.
Although, in the time tunnel, they were clean-shaven and then had mustaches.
You went beard to mustache to clean.
Then you'll be clean-shaven, then mustache again.
dan friesen
Who knows?
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
The world is full of potential.
jordan holmes
It's possible.
dan friesen
So you've got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan.
So thank you so much to Jordan.
I love hearing about your dogs.
Also, as a fellow Terrier, have her, though mine is a border and not a Westie from Ash Sea.
Thank you so much.
You're not a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
roger stone
Four stars.
unidentified
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
pastor david manning
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
alex jones
Daddy Shark.
Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser little titty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ!
dan friesen
Thank you.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Ash probably loved hearing about your dog destroying your computer.
jordan holmes
It was great.
I love her so much.
I will take any opportunity to talk about my dog.
dan friesen
Do you have any little anecdote?
You want to drop on Ash?
jordan holmes
Let's see.
Recently, Fanny created a new bed for herself.
She's got a drying station now.
Whenever it gets wet, whenever we come back from a morning walk...
dan friesen
I'm imagining a drying station.
jordan holmes
She had this little knitted dog bed that Devin made for her, and then I put a towel on top of it, and she was like, this is heaven, and just rolled around in it for 20 minutes.
dan friesen
So she manually dried herself.
jordan holmes
She manually dried herself off and did it without me, so I'm happy.
dan friesen
See, I was imagining a situation.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Now maybe you could craft this.
jordan holmes
Let's see.
dan friesen
Because you like to build things.
jordan holmes
I do.
dan friesen
You build a little fort in the living room and what have you?
Okay, so I'm imagining sun lamps and blow dryers.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Connected to a little pedal.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So she would step on the pedal.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
And it would, like, warm dry her and then blow dry.
jordan holmes
I see what you're saying.
dan friesen
A little invention.
A little Rube Goldberg.
jordan holmes
I like that.
A little Wallace and Gromit kind of thing.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
I like it.
dan friesen
I think you should do it.
jordan holmes
I think I should, too.
dan friesen
So one thing, Jordan, that I think is missing on our show, that I think everyone loves, is guessing games.
jordan holmes
Oh!
dan friesen
I don't think we do enough guessing games.
jordan holmes
We haven't done a guessing game in quite some time.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's usually pretty hard to guess things about what might happen in our world, though.
Or at least it used to be.
dan friesen
Shit's fairly unpredictable.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But I have a little clip I'm going to play of Alex.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And you have to guess who he's talking about.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
See if you can do that.
alex jones
A horrible person.
Totally corrupt.
Openly hiring his whole family, violating laws, taking foreign money.
Total crook.
dan friesen
Total crook.
Who is he talking about?
jordan holmes
I want to say Brett Favre.
dan friesen
Okay.
It could apply to Trump.
jordan holmes
Could apply to Trump, but it doesn't.
dan friesen
Hiring his family, taking foreign money, breaking laws.
jordan holmes
It could apply to George Soros, but it doesn't.
It could apply to Biden, but it doesn't.
It could apply to...
Probably Jeff Bezos, but it doesn't.
Maybe it's Carrie Lake.
Ooh.
dan friesen
No.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Eric Adams.
jordan holmes
Oh, well, yeah.
I mean, it definitely applies to him.
Yep.
dan friesen
But I thought it perfectly lined up with a critique that you could have of Trump.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I thought that was ironic.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Agreed.
dan friesen
So we begin the show on September 25th.
That's Wednesday's show.
And Alex is talking a little bit about his experience in Pennsylvania.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
We're in the quickening of the quickening, and soon it'll be the quickening of the quickening of the quickening of the quickening.
All the big changes are happening right now, for good and for bad.
Humanity is at a major flux point.
All right, I am back from Pennsylvania.
Got back yesterday afternoon from a very successful event with Tucker Carlson and Jack Posobiec to a capacity crowd of 15 plus thousand people.
But we've got...
Obviously insane news, all off the hook.
dan friesen
So it wasn't a capacity crowd, and 15,000 would be double the capacity of the Santander Arena.
This is ridiculous.
jordan holmes
That would be hard to do.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I don't understand this need to exaggerate, because I went out of my way, to be very clear, on our episode, like, it was a pretty good crowd.
jordan holmes
It was a good crowd!
dan friesen
Yeah.
It wasn't so empty that it affected the presentation at all.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Which you do see sometimes.
In events.
But, like, I don't understand why you can't just take that win.
You have to insist it was sold out and the place was twice as big as it is.
It's just petty.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it would be like the White Sox saying 15 people showed up to a game.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
You guys don't need to lie.
You don't need to lie to us about this.
There was zero.
dan friesen
Do you think that, like, his audience is incapable of searching for the arena and seeing that it only holds 7,000 people?
jordan holmes
That reminds me of the Mitch Hedberg joke.
Can't fit two inside of one.
The bottle would be all sticky and shit.
dan friesen
The shampoo is bullshit.
So, Alex has heard that InfoWars is for sale.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And he's heard other people talking about that.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And he thinks they're wrong.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Yesterday, the federal judge overrode the Justice Department in Houston, Texas, and said InfoWars goes up for sale on auction.
November 13th.
Okay?
So people are saying, well, what's going on?
When they talked about having this hearing last week about, oh, the feds are helping Alex Jones.
They're blocking the sale of the company.
I said, that's not what's going on here.
And then people saw what the judge did yesterday saying the sale goes forward.
And people said, oh, the judge is being mean to Alex Jones.
A lot of nice, well-meaning people.
Members of Congress, senators.
I mean, this was a big story.
And in the process, yes, it's wrong that we're being shut down, but that's not what the judge is doing.
dan friesen
That's not what's going on.
Alex wants this sale to happen.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
At this point, there aren't any other options.
It's a good option for him of anything that's available.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He wants someone in his orbit to buy Infowars, so they'll continue it as normal outside of where the bankruptcy can collect from.
Infowars selling to one of his allies or his dad would be a huge win in terms of being able to avoid consequences, so Alex doesn't actually want this not to happen.
And so there are a number of people, I think like Marjorie Taylor Greene and folks being like, this is wrong that Infowars is going up for sale.
It's like, no, you don't need to fight against this one.
Just make sure the right person buys it.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's hard to believe that there isn't a billionaire willing to be like, hey, fuck it, I'll put a billion down to buy this shit, it all goes to the families, and then I'll take all of the Infowars stuff to Bohemian Grove, light it up.
dan friesen
The only danger is that.
Someone who doesn't like him buying the company is a statement.
And Alex, I think, recognizes that this is a possibility.
But I don't think he thinks it's very likely.
There is no possibility of anyone doing a hostile takeover or a neutral buyer who just wants to cut some corners and make the place more profitable.
That doesn't exist.
The company either...
It has to be taken over and destroyed or...
Reverted to Alex, basically.
jordan holmes
It is a single-talent business, and not just that, but a toxically single-talent business.
dan friesen
And it doesn't really exist.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it doesn't!
dan friesen
The only possibilities, because it doesn't exist, are someone buying it on Alex's behalf or buying it to spite him.
That's all that's going to happen.
He's banking on someone buying it for him being more likely.
I understand taking that bet, but I do think there is still an outside possibility of someone...
Buying it to fuck him.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know if that could happen, but there's some options.
There's some people who might do it.
jordan holmes
It is crazy because you're like, well, most rich people wouldn't buy it because it's a bad business decision.
In fact, it's not a business decision.
It is a non-business decision.
But then you're like, billionaires are fucking crazy.
Who knows what they'll do?
That one asshole bought Twitter.
Shit gets wild.
dan friesen
Why not?
Yeah, there's enough people who are dicks.
unidentified
Yeah, with a lot of money.
jordan holmes
That's a problem that we are not dealing with.
dan friesen
It just could shake out in a funny way this time.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it'd be nice.
dan friesen
So InfoWars, as we know it, however, will end.
And November is when the auction is going to happen.
And so Alex is pretty clear about InfoWars, as you know it, does have a death date.
alex jones
And so later in the hour, I will just go from the back to the end in a quick condensed form what's happening.
But yes, Infowars, as we know it, with Alex Jones, the founder, and the owner, 100% of it, will end on November 13th.
That part is true.
I blew my voice out screaming at the Tucker event.
People ask how my voice got so deep over the years.
That, screaming.
I've screamed so much, I've got like the voice of an old drill sergeant.
Got the voice like an 80-year-old man.
jordan holmes
Chain smoking.
alex jones
I got so excited and I screamed atop my lungs.
It's coming back right now, but it's a good thing I took off most of the day yesterday when I got back to Pennsylvania because I couldn't talk really, but it's back for now.
dan friesen
You can just hear the bids rising as Alex rambles distractedly about his voice.
jordan holmes
There's got to be...
I understand that it's like a silent auction, right?
So we'll never know what the bids are.
The bids themselves I would like to read.
dan friesen
As I understand it, you have to be qualified, and then you can enter the shooting.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I don't know if it's a silent auction or if it's a live auction, but in that private space.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But yeah, I don't think I could get in.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Maybe I could.
Maybe I could find a way.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
I could maybe make the argument that I'm an observer.
jordan holmes
You're qualified as shit.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
To whatever it is.
Whatever qualifications you need, we'll fucking make.
dan friesen
If anybody from the auction house is listening, I'd like to observe.
jordan holmes
What do you mean qualified to buy trash from Infowars?
dan friesen
I think having money.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that usually helps.
dan friesen
Proving that you have a lot of money.
jordan holmes
I do not have a lot of money, so I can't prove shit.
dan friesen
So it's not really about taking Alex out.
But it is, kind of.
But it's also about the internet kill switch.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
So that's why Tucker Carlson understands celebrating Alex Jones isn't about celebrating me the person, but the demonized image they've created so that if the public will accept demonizing somebody that didn't do what they said he did, then the precedent's set for everybody else.
This is so important.
We need to stop running away from the New York Times or CNN attacking us.
We need to run towards it because they're the bad guys.
If you're not being criticized and attacked by these people, then you're not doing your job.
So I'm going to break down each piece of this story, what's true, what isn't.
Because, again, it's historic and it affects everybody.
And then I'm going to tell you how to ensure that we stay on air and the enemy isn't successful.
But then I'm going to give you the bad news and I'm going to explain to you.
That they're intending to bring in the internet kill switch.
What does that really mean?
That doesn't mean everything's turned off.
It means you only get government and approved corporate voices.
That is the official UN plan, the official CIA plan, the official Democrat plan.
That's what they've been pushing and setting up.
They're in panic mode.
They're losing right now.
And so they're going to try to implement this.
And the question is, what will the crises or group of crises be to get that done?
dan friesen
Probably Alex being taken off the air.
jordan holmes
That would make sense.
dan friesen
Yeah, Alex losing a bunch of money.
That's probably the crisis that's going to bring in the internet kill switch.
alex jones
I don't know.
dan friesen
I think it's good news, bad news.
jordan holmes
The difference in goodness versus badness, I feel, is stark.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
I mean, I feel like the internet kill switch, bad for everybody.
Alex's problems, bad for Alex only.
dan friesen
But the good news is you can give his dad money and he'll get it.
jordan holmes
That is good news.
dan friesen
He'll get some of it.
jordan holmes
That's good news.
unidentified
That's great news.
jordan holmes
That's great news.
dan friesen
Bad news?
Internet kill switch.
jordan holmes
Internet kill switch, you're all going to die anyways.
No matter what you do, I can't stop it.
dan friesen
Oh, shit.
Also, remember that even if all of Alex's plans are successful, the globalists have a plan C. 90% of it.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Bad news.
But you can still give Alex money, so it's kind of 50-50.
jordan holmes
It's up in the air.
dan friesen
So, the reason they want to take Alex out is that he's right about everything.
And he's the first person to be right about everything.
jordan holmes
Ever?
dan friesen
Well, he's on top.
He's ahead of the ball.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Except he's not.
And even in this clip, he says he's not.
alex jones
I'm not worried about me, people.
It's coming down on everybody.
Trump doesn't just say, they're not after me.
They've got to get through me to get to you.
That's happening.
And I know you know that.
But did you get a chill when I just said that?
Because you should have.
You better take this serious.
We are weeks away from total martial law, frickin' nuclear war.
They're digging in.
They got all the bunkers ready.
I told you months ago, an expert emergency manager has a huge company that private corporations, state governments, local governments, and the feds are digging in for martial law.
Now it's in the damn news.
You think they're getting ready for all this for no reason?
You think they're foaming at the mouth to get me off air just because they don't like me?
They know that I put out the first analysis that gets picked up by everybody else.
And thank God.
It's gotten to the point now where I used to be the guy that figured out what was happening 90% of the time.
And now it's only half the time.
dan friesen
So Alex's premise is that the globalists want to take him out because he's the one who gets things right first, but then immediately Alex says that the rate he's first to figure out a story has dropped 40% in some unspecified time frame.
It seems like if that's the case, the globalists should have much less interest in getting him off air.
He's much less of a problem.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
All this is nonsense, but it does reflect a reality about Alex's career.
He's not the vanguard of anything anymore.
He used to be the guy yelling into a bullhorn, setting the pace for the conspiracy world, but that only worked because there were so many hurdles to entry back then.
Other people didn't have a dentist dad who could buy ad time on a radio station to get them a time slot, for instance.
Also, there's something that we don't really talk about all that much, but Alex also had media contacts early on.
We talk about how he and Rogan were friends back in the day, but we don't really make it clear enough that they were business associates back then, too.
Kevin Booth, Bill Hicks' production partner, founded a company called Sacred Cow Productions that released a best-of video of Alex's content in 2000, before he even made a big splash with the 9-11 conspiracies.
This was a semi-formal group with Booth, Rogan, and Alex being the core at the start, along with Hicks posthumously.
Eventually, they'd add Doug Stanhope to the roster.
They produced Rogan's first special, Live from the Belly of the Beast, in 2001, which starts with that infamous sketch of Alex and Joe getting high and walking around UT in bush masks.
Alex's 2005 film Martial Law 9-1-1 Rise of the Police State was produced by, quote, Alex Jones with Sacred Cow Productions.
The issue isn't that there's some kind of a grand conspiracy here or that Alex is Bill Hicks.
It's that early on in his career, he had access to people with some connections to show business, which other aspiring conspiracy theorists wouldn't have.
He had producers and through these business connections got a guest spot on Rogan's special.
Like, there's proximity and access that contributed to Alex being the main guy in this space during those VHS days.
That fame and notoriety was well pivoted to the early internet.
The attention-hijacking game has outgrown him, and there aren't these barriers to access.
There aren't these gatekeepers, essentially, who are making him look cool in various spaces.
Any shithead on Twitter can just do it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
That's why it's 90 to 40. Yeah, that's a precipitous drop.
jordan holmes
Business-wise, that's emergency panic mode.
But it's like Gates.
It's like, oh man, how did this genius come up with this genius?
There were six computers within a hundred mile space.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
jordan holmes
Yep.
He had access to a computer and no one else did.
Fair enough.
dan friesen
There's a lot of weird, interesting, circumstantial stuff.
Totally.
You can't really look at his existence and be like, well, it's because he was a prophet and he was right about everything.
No, he did have a discernible talent and then a bunch of...
Lucky variables that worked out.
jordan holmes
And Bill Cooper died.
There are tons of people right now with discernible talent who don't have opportunities to do stuff.
There are tons of comics that I know are very, very funny who will never have any success just because.
That's life.
dan friesen
Yeah, but they have a lot more ability, given the internet, to do things that they couldn't do before.
jordan holmes
Comparatively speaking, yes.
dan friesen
But it's still...
The internet's shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's shit.
dan friesen
So, Alex discusses the auction process in this next clip, and I think he's trying to do a stop the steal.
He's predicting that there's going to be voter fraud in his auction.
alex jones
In the next few weeks, people have to go in to the bankruptcy court, and there's a procedure for it.
They have to get qualified as a buyer.
It's like if you're going to buy an expensive house, you've got to go get qualified with credit.
You have to get into the bidding process, and then you've got to, on the day of the auction, November 13th, it's digital online, you have to then bid, and it's a reputable group.
But something like this, who knows whether the good bidders will get blocked out or something and so they won't be able to bid and somebody else gets it for nothing.
That's why we've got a lot of plans and things behind the scenes to make sure it's all fair and make sure actual people are there at the place where it's being digitally run so that it's all being watched and so there's telephones and people that are certified and ready to get bids in over whatever happens if they shut the bidding down or hack it or denial of service attack it.
That stuff always goes on.
Elon Musk put up a...
Poll about me with 50-something million respondents should Alex Jones be brought back, and they later admitted it got DDoS attacked, and they tried to shut the poll down.
dan friesen
Are you comparing a Twitter poll to the auction for your business?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Is this silly?
unidentified
Yep, yep.
dan friesen
So yeah, I think he thinks that there's going to be a...
jordan holmes
Voter ID, fraud, DDoS, hacker attack.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
The logical conclusion of this is him refusing to leave his building because he's January 6th-ing his own business.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Or something.
jordan holmes
I mean, that would make sense.
I'd be fine with that.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
But I mean, like, okay, so the hackers hack things, but at the end of the day, this is a financial transaction.
Like, no matter how much you hack...
The website, that's only just going to prolong things.
It's not going to...
dan friesen
Right.
Maybe get a new auction another day or something like that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's not...
This isn't a fucking movie where they can, like, make the money disappear on your screen whenever they want.
dan friesen
Yeah.
A Twitter poll is not real.
Whereas a business is...
And, like, all that money is...
jordan holmes
Yes, the money is real.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
In theory.
So, Alex reads some headlines here about this liquidation.
And it turns out, Roger...
Roger Stone?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He might...
Save the day.
alex jones
Tragic InfoWars be liquidated and auctioned off to help pay San Diego families.
No, they didn't want money.
They want it closed.
Alex Jones InfoWars show likely to be shut down in months.
NPR.
Alex Jones InfoWars will be auctioned off to pay San Diego families.
New York Times.
No, they don't want money.
They want it closed.
They've said that on the courthouse steps.
It's not families.
It's the CIA.
It's the FBI.
In control of it.
Roger Stone says he's putting together a group to buy it.
Then put Alex Jones in the right.
jordan holmes
Stone group.
alex jones
I haven't even talked to Roger about this, but if Roger wants to go with some group and outbid the other people, then, you know, I would definitely work with those guys.
So that's what's going on, and it's quite the event.
I will just say this again, as I said 30 minutes ago.
I'm out of gas.
I've got very little money in the bank since I went through Chapter 7. And I need money to hire lawyers and complete this.
So, we can win this, but I need you to go to our sponsors because I actually get some of that money.
unidentified
And then I can actually use that.
alex jones
They're sponsors.
They pay them forward.
There's also the fee of me cutting the ad and the endorsement fee.
That's why you've seen three or four new sponsors here.
And even the amount of money they're bringing in after I pay free speech, the majority of it, it's not a ton of money to fight this fight.
So I need you to up the amount of sales we've got at thealexjonesstore.com.
Thealexjonesstore.com, incredible t-shirts.
dan friesen
I get a smaller cut of this arrangement outside of bankruptcy, so I need the bulk to go up.
I need you all to buy more because I get a smaller amount.
jordan holmes
See, profit margin.
dan friesen
I gotta pay these fucking lawyers.
jordan holmes
Goddamn.
dan friesen
A little transparent.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yep, yep, yep.
How much...
I never know with these types of grifters, like with Stone now.
Like, does he still have a shit ton of money from whenever he was evil?
Or is he, like, actually on donations?
dan friesen
He was saying, I'm broke and I can't pay my legal fees.
You all need to give me all this money.
Right.
And then I guess maybe things worked out for him.
jordan holmes
I guess that's how it works.
dan friesen
But I think, okay, the premise here I don't think is it's Roger's money.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, I understand that.
dan friesen
I think he's arranging...
jordan holmes
I think this is more of a general curiosity thing as opposed to, like, how would he logistically do it?
dan friesen
If he could bring together these billionaires or millionaires in order to save Infowars, you'd think he would have been able to get them to pay his legal fees.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It is a little bit weird.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think this might be blustery shit talk.
jordan holmes
That would make sense.
dan friesen
Because that...
Kind of sounds like Roger.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, boy, him helping somebody out does not seem like it's in the cards.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Period.
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
I mean, that was what God said when he was made.
dan friesen
Well, like, Roger, he's doing his show on Frank's speech.
He's doing the Mike Lindell stuff because Mike can pay him and Alex can't.
jordan holmes
Right.
Not for much longer.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Do you think Mike Lindell is going to be the one who comes in saving for us?
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Man, that would suck.
What if it was the Saudis?
Like, straight up, and he's got to make up all kinds of new shit about 9-11.
dan friesen
That would be fun.
jordan holmes
That would be fun.
dan friesen
I know that it can't be Mike Lindell because he already advertised a little bit.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And if he was going to do it, he would do it.
jordan holmes
He would already own InfoWars.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I was listening to this and I was like, this is kind of just an ad.
You're just doing an infomercial discussing how you have a liquidation sale so everyone needs to go to your sponsors because that way you still get some of the money.
jordan holmes
It's an InfoWarshal.
dan friesen
The second hour started, and it was just the first hour again.
jordan holmes
They replayed the first hour entirely?
They just literally replayed it from start to finish?
dan friesen
Yeah, and so I was like, huh.
jordan holmes
I'll be goddamned.
dan friesen
Alright, let's go to the 26th.
Let's go to Thursday.
I'm not listening to the same hour again.
And so we jump in, and Alex is contemplative.
It's the moment of truth.
unidentified
The moment of truth is here.
alex jones
I discovered 40 years ago a well-known plan that millions of others knew about.
When I was 10 years old, and my uncle, who I didn't learn until much later, had been high-level government secret operations, telling me how evil the government was and how they wanted to set up a world government and slave humanity, how they'd have one computer that controlled the entire planet and controlled our every movement.
And my father, that I respected and I knew, was super smart, nodding his head, listening to my mother's brother, who he just admired.
And I'm just so blessed that my life, I've had a leg up early on knowing about this and having a great family.
And by the time I was 15, I knew I wanted to be in the media and fight these people because I believed in you.
And I knew they had a long-range plan, incrementalism, and that if we got ahead of it, people wouldn't listen at first.
But I knew because God was literally telling me this.
And at that time, I didn't know it was God.
I would just have these ideas, and they were so strong, I'd get chills.
Up and down my spine that I had a mission and that I was supposed to do something.
And when I was screwing around with women or screwing around, you know, partying, I didn't take drugs but drinking, I remember the Holy Spirit saying, this is not your mission.
And so from the age of 20 on, I'm 50 now, I've been on air for 30 years and six months.
jordan holmes
Claim you're sober.
Claim you're sober.
unidentified
Claim it.
alex jones
30 and a half years now.
And I just now see God's hand on everything.
dan friesen
On everything.
I never did drugs.
You're lying about your early years.
What are you doing?
What is the point of mythologizing all of this?
This is horseshit.
unidentified
And also, you should be proud of doing drugs when you're young.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Do drugs!
dan friesen
This is a blowhard...
Yeah, that's...
From the time I was 10, I knew about God telling me what time it was when I woke up in the middle of the night.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Then I had a chicken fried steak and everything became clear.
jordan holmes
You know, it's like those memes about the dominoes, you know, where something's small and then the big domino happens.
You know the one.
But it is like, God, his uncle has no idea the damage he has wrought.
Just by fucking with a ten-year-old, you know?
dan friesen
If any of these stories are true, yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like, hundreds of thousands of ten-year-olds are being fucked with in similar ways at this moment.
None of them are going to...
Maybe have destroyed democracy in the end?
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's the ripple effects.
jordan holmes
It's one of those things.
dan friesen
The ripple effects of one crazy uncle.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and it's like, I understand that it fits within a larger wave of all kinds of other stuff.
It's not a single domino that winds up.
But man, it sure feels like you put something in there in the wrong slot, man.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So many prominent people, they've come around and they're like, I want to help you out, Alex.
Maybe I'll join Roger Stone's group that's buying your company.
jordan holmes
Great.
alex jones
My phone is melting off the hook.
The email is on fire.
Amazing things are happening behind the scenes.
Incredibly prominent people are calling me up and saying, what do you need?
What should we do?
And that's because Infowars will close on November.
June 13th, the Democratic Party, CIA, FBI operation that's now all public, they're very public, they're so arrogant, says that they don't want money.
They've set it on the courthouse steps and in hearings in federal court this year.
They want to shut this down.
And they claim they've got big money people that are going to, no matter what happens, bid to get InfoWars and the trademark, the copyright, and shut it down.
And they've said we'll own Alex Jones' name, even though you can't own that under law, and that we're going to take your social media, they follow that in court, just pull it up, Reuters AP, and that they're going to continue to just sue me forever and say I won't pay them the billion and a half dollars that I would never have made in ten lifetimes.
And now they admit all the lies about hundreds of millions of dollars isn't true.
dan friesen
You probably are going to be dealing with this for the rest of your life.
That is true.
jordan holmes
That's the idea.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I don't know.
I don't know about these really prominent people who are rallying around Alex.
But if they are there, I think they'll win.
I think that the right-wing shithead money, I think that there's more of an incentive.
To have this optical win of Alex staying on air than someone on the other side.
jordan holmes
Yeah, because the reality of it is that right-wing shithead money is fundamentally bottomless.
There's no...
The right-wing shitheads that have the money, if they run out, they can go to one of the people who gives them more money.
So it's like...
And it doesn't necessarily...
I don't...
Okay.
dan friesen
And they put a premium on trolling a lot more.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And the troll potential of Alex staying on air through this is very strong.
jordan holmes
It almost even makes sense.
In fact, I would say that the only business for which it would make sense to acquire InfoWars is Twitter.
If InfoWars became a subsidiary of Twitter.
dan friesen
I mean, it already more or less is.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
That's what I'm saying.
Communication Twitter basically bought him anyways.
dan friesen
What you want is like Hamdi Ulukaya to buy it.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
That's what you want.
jordan holmes
Yeah, here's my sorry.
Shove it up your ass.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's the kind of thing you want.
But I don't think that that has as much of a premium as some ding-dong being like, Alex Jones can't be stopped.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I think there's more value to that.
jordan holmes
What's the pitch to Hamdi?
Hey, buddy, you can do it.
Why?
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
Because he's a bad guy.
Oh yeah, I'll get right on taking care of every bad guy.
dan friesen
It's a convincing argument, but it's a bad business decision ultimately.
So I can understand why some people would not want to do it.
So Alex talks about a really real story.
jordan holmes
Totally real.
dan friesen
It's about his bravery.
jordan holmes
100% real.
dan friesen
And how God forced him to take on 500 Antifa one time.
jordan holmes
I believe that.
alex jones
I don't spend my time whining and bitching about this stuff.
But I do have to tell the listeners, look, I'm a tough guy.
I don't have to imagine I'm tough.
I don't think about how I'm tough.
But I look back sometimes in my life, and I'm like, God, I'm crazy.
I mean, you know, something's wrong with me, actually.
I remember I only had three or four security guys.
We go down to a Trump rally in Dallas, and they'd hired 500 serious felon thugs that didn't even know politics.
And they were threatening us, and I couldn't help it.
I turned and walked into the Antifa crowd.
Not even looking for a fight, but I couldn't be afraid of them.
And these were seasoned former Special Operations military, Green Berets, Navy SEALs.
They were, like, frickin' scared.
They go, you're nuts, man.
And I said, God told me to go in there.
And you know what happened?
It was all these, you could tell, felon white guys, felon black guys, big, mean dudes there to intimidate Trump supporters, scream at them, yell at them.
And they started going, wait a minute, that's Alex Jones.
He's a good guy.
He had the real Rick Ross on about the CIA.
They go, wait, I know who he is.
And by the end of it, they were coming over and hi-fying us.
Some still didn't know who we were.
There was some Antifa white professor types in hoods and black trying to direct us.
unidentified
I'm sorry.
alex jones
But when they were threatening us, 500 of them, I couldn't help it.
I was like, I've got to go in there or I'm not a man.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
And I'm not trying to act tough.
I'm telling you, there's video of that.
The security people all over the country called me about it.
They said, you're nuts.
You should never do that.
I didn't do it as a stunt.
I didn't even know when I got there.
I saw them yelling at families with kids.
I saw them yelling at pregnant women.
And I said, I'm going to march in there, and they may get me at the end, but I'm going to break some jaws and bash some brains out of at least five or six of them before they get me.
And it's that thing comes over.
You just all of a sudden feel like you're 50 feet tall and just because they were messing with women and families.
And I went, I'm going in there.
And the security's like, no.
And I go, we're going in.
And the security did follow me in.
But in the midst of that, we've got to dig that footage up.
dan friesen
Unrelated.
I watched 300 last night.
jordan holmes
I was going to say.
Reminds me of a movie.
Reminds me a lot of a movie.
dan friesen
This happened.
jordan holmes
Totally happened.
dan friesen
Alex.
Like, saw this giant mob of 500 scary Antifa.
And he walked in like Moses parting the Red Sea.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Just walked in because God told him to.
He just walked into that big crowd of scary felons.
And they're all like, we want to hug you, Alex, because we like you.
jordan holmes
What's your...
You've got a true story that's unbelievable.
Think about, like, a true story.
That if you were to tell, people would be like, ah, that sounds like maybe you're exaggerating details or something like that.
It does not sound like this.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
This sounds fucking insane.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
There's a number of times where, like, it's really weird that this happened, like, X, Y, or Z, a hundred coincidences.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, but if you're telling that story, it generally isn't like...
The coincidences all happen to line up directly with my psychological hang-ups.
jordan holmes
So crazy.
dan friesen
Yeah, all of the things that are weird about this story happen to be things that are my issues that I wrestle with constantly.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
My desires feature heavily within these coincidences occurring.
dan friesen
The unbelievable things appear to be self-soothing.
Elements that I've added to this story to make myself feel like a big boy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
This isn't quite a big fish story so much as if the size of the fish was the reality of God.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So there's a guy who's a Marine, and he was testifying about January 6th.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And he started getting a little emotional.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Was close to crying.
jordan holmes
Loves his country.
dan friesen
Some people might want to make fun of that.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But you shouldn't.
Because he was only crying because of the Holy Spirit.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And this leads, Alex, into some really weird religious stuff.
alex jones
And the reason I told that story that I was thinking about this morning was a way to describe this pretty high level for a young man, highly decorated Marine, who testified in Congress yesterday with all the J6 stuff that I'm about to get to coming out.
And he starts talking about them persecuting him for being a Christian.
We're talking about FBI informants in the crowd and obviously arresting FBI's fake antifa and taking the handcuffs off and high-fiving them and all that video we've got.
And he said that they tried to ruin him and destroy him and his family and a bunch of other FBI agents that told the truth.
And he's starting to cry while he's reading it.
And it's not because he's a wimp.
I know what he's feeling.
As he tells the truth, he feels the Holy Spirit.
And when you're in the presence of God's love...
It shakes you when you're telling the truth because God likes that.
God's fucked up, man.
And God was pleased with him, but you have to take it one step further.
That's a baby, and I'm not saying he's a baby, a baby in the Holy Spirit, which most people never get past that.
The comforter.
There's a different part of the Holy Spirit when you take that and go, okay, I'm not going to just be in awe of God.
I'm going to turn myself over now.
And I'm going to let God shine through.
And then, as the Bible says, God does not give us a spirit of weakness or fear, but of strength and overcoming.
I'm paraphrasing.
God doesn't give us a spirit of fear.
Look up the actual quote.
Bold as a lion.
And I'm telling you, the Satanists try to have this power with their demonicness and their rage.
It's all a fake facsimile of the real Holy Spirit and the real moment.
If men that feel that will then just say, okay, I know I'm freaked out in the presence of God.
That's God literally touching you saying, I'm all about free will.
Give me the keys.
dan friesen
This is all fun for Alex, I'm sure, but it's not really making sense.
The premise seems to be that when you get choked up and emotional when you tell the truth in a difficult situation, that's because God is happy with you.
That's just the first, most elementary kind of interaction with God, though, and when you go deeper, you just go on autopilot?
God is all about free will, but ironically, the ultimate act he demands of you is that you use that free will to give up having any will at all.
The pinnacle of freedom is the act of using that freedom to enslave yourself.
I get that there's a kernel of this in a lot of religious ideology, but for Alex, this is no good.
All of his political ideas are about sovereignty and the individual, how the collective cannot impede your rights to do whatever you want to do, but now the idea is supposed to be that...
We just need to consciously allow a supernatural force to use us as an avatar to do stuff?
If that's what Alex thinks, then the only value he brings to the equation as an individual is that he's famous.
Because he has an audience, whatever the supernatural force does in his body will be seen and reacted to by more people than if he was just a random person on the street.
Outside of that, there is nothing about Alex Jones the person that matters to this spiritual force.
He is just a thing to possess.
Telescoping out a little bit further, this has some fairly unfortunate implications about how people should live.
For instance, the measure of a person is directly related to how completely they can submit to an outside force.
Freedom and free will aren't ends in and of themselves.
They're means to the end, which is using that free will to renounce your free will.
If that's the case, then you would never have an incentive to encourage people to get fully in touch with their free will.
Rather, you would want to create a dramatic but surface-level attachment to freedom.
All this is what I'm saying.
It goes further to your theory that Alex is actually being spoken to by the devil, and he thinks that it's God.
Because this sounds like devil stuff.
jordan holmes
I mean...
Otherwise, his gut is just so fucking weird.
Because if you're doing stuff like this maliciously, it's funny.
I mean, if you're the devil.
dan friesen
Right.
If you're the devil and you're saying...
I'm all about free will.
jordan holmes
Hilarious.
dan friesen
Give me the keys.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Hilarious.
The funniest thing you could possibly do.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Especially if you convince a guy that you're God.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's the best.
But if you're God, what are you fucking doing, man?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You shouldn't be fucking around.
That's why you created the devil, I guess.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Weird.
dan friesen
I'm going to possess you, but you need to choose to be possessed.
jordan holmes
Weird.
dan friesen
That seems...
jordan holmes
You already are me, I guess?
What is happening?
dan friesen
I guess I have a lot of ideas about God and love, but that's just the baby version.
That's just the comforter version.
Alex is into the...
We've talked about this.
He thinks he's doing Grand Theft Auto missions for God.
jordan holmes
He's the best, yeah.
dan friesen
He's at the other level.
jordan holmes
I wonder.
Imagine this.
Imagine a religion that is purely honest about...
It's God.
And it's just going like, we were created because God's working through some shit.
That makes more sense of Alex's God.
It's like a God that's like, man, I've got some serious attention deficit issues.
I've got some serious emotional regulation problems.
dan friesen
I'm petty.
jordan holmes
I'm petty as shit!
I've got to work through this.
dan friesen
There's a lot of weird stuff that I'm not aware of that I should be aware of.
jordan holmes
That I should totally be aware of.
Because I've created the entirety of the universe.
dan friesen
It is a little strange.
And I just think that it's incompatible with what Alex is supposed to stand for.
There's so much individualism and all this and the humanity having value in and of itself.
I guess we don't.
Because we're just meat.
jordan holmes
I mean, I understand the concept behind freedom of submission.
It makes sense.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And it's there.
You know, I get that.
I don't get Alex's version of it.
dan friesen
Well, because it involves possession.
jordan holmes
That's the weird part.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
The possession part.
dan friesen
Because I think to him, we are meat with a radar.
jordan holmes
So that means that when you only saw one set of footprints in the stand, that's because I jumped inside of your soul and was carrying you in physical form.
Yeah, well, sure.
dan friesen
He thinks that we're meat, but with an antenna on top of us.
And we have to have the will to turn on the antenna in the direction of God, and then God takes over our free will.
But that decision is the only thing that you need to do, and then all of your decisions are made for you.
And you gotta be scared of that guy.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Who's sending the transmission in.
unidentified
I don't understand.
dan friesen
He's scary.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, based on Alex's description, yes.
dan friesen
But also Alex is really scared.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
I'm just a bag of bones and blood, but I've got a spirit that can aim its antenna at God.
That's the power.
It's all God.
100% God.
God made us.
God gave us free will.
And we have to want that relationship.
And you have that.
Nothing can stop you.
But it's when you're aligned with God.
That you will then feel the full power.
And I'll tell you, I know.
jordan holmes
Is that what you're supposed to be looking for?
alex jones
A lot of great men and a lot of great women.
But they have a humbleness about them that they never, because when the Holy Spirit approaches them, they stay in the comforter stage.
And I've heard no one ever talk about this, but this is known in your spirit.
And if you read the Bible, it's there, but nowhere else.
That's why you'll see really powerful preachers that aren't just good orators.
There's something about what they're saying, and this fire comes over them, they're glowing, they're shining.
And they're saying these things, and it's not just their oration, it's that you know it and you feel it, and it's because they, at a spiritual level, because I don't even teach this in seminary, I've looked it up, had get past the comforter zone and go into the John the Baptist mode, who was...
Aggressive and fire-breathing and scary.
Because God's scary.
Lots of people say he doesn't fear God.
The foolishness to not fear God.
I mean, the ancient Jews wouldn't even say God's name.
They feared God so much.
Not before the Babylonian captivity and all that stuff that came out after.
I'm talking about the original Jews.
unidentified
And...
jordan holmes
The OJ.
alex jones
When you start to really think about that, it's because it is so awesome when you dial into that, and you're given above and over the horizon information, and you have dreams that come true, and you know it's not you.
Something that awesome, you better treat it with respect.
dan friesen
And you know what time it is when you wake up and pee.
Fear of God doesn't mean being scared of Him.
You know, like...
jordan holmes
It doesn't make sense.
dan friesen
No.
I mean...
Obviously, maybe a little bit of that is mixed in, but there's reverence and respect.
That's more what fear of God...
jordan holmes
Awe.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
When you look at the cliffs of Dover, and you go, it is a fear to fall off of that, and yet the beauty gives me awe.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I think that there's a piece missing of Alex's analysis, but...
I don't know what they teach at seminaries that he's looked up.
jordan holmes
I do appreciate the they don't teach this even at seminaries as though he's got some super secret information that God gave him.
dan friesen
They don't teach this at seminaries but they teach it at cemeteries where I conjure the spirits and speak to the dead.
Because I worship the devil.
jordan holmes
Because he worships the devil!
Just say it one time.
Just mess it up like a Freudian slip.
Love that devil.
I mean God.
dan friesen
So the thing about the Tetragrammaton is a little bit more complicated.
It has to do with linguistic history and things like that.
It's much more complicated than Alex is putting it out to be, that there are people who were just scared to say the name of God.
jordan holmes
Nah, I think they were just scared to say his name.
dan friesen
Very dumb.
So anyway, Alex rambles about God a long time on this episode.
And I was getting annoyed, quite frankly.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
dan friesen
But it all leads to exactly where you think it might go.
alex jones
I want to just be one of the only people that's able to do this, that's on our team.
Because the devil's got his thing, and his people open it up, and you see what they do.
And it's their own little twisted counterfeit of what God does.
It's not confidence, it's total completion, eternity, the quiet place of the Most High that King David talked about.
That you then project into the third dimension and you show the people the power of God.
The unlimited total completion.
And it's just a spark of God.
Just a reflection of God's reflection of a shadow of a shadow.
But still, it's the most awesome thing in this universe.
And when people see it and hear it and taste it, they know it.
In their bones.
So, I'm going to go to break.
I'm going to stop preaching.
I'm going to come back, and I'm going to get into all the news, and it's massive.
And the globalists are in full collapse, which we shouldn't...
We should respect that, because that makes them more dangerous than ever.
And their commitment to pure evil to stay in power.
They're willing to blow the planet up, but we can stop them with God's help.
But I'm going to just say this very clearly.
jordan holmes
Give me money.
alex jones
I have always told you the truth.
I have never lied to you on purpose.
I've made plenty of mistakes.
And when I tell you something, it's the absolute truth through my distorted human temporal understanding.
But it's as close as you're going to get to the truth as there is out there, okay, in my view.
jordan holmes
It would be.
alex jones
The enemy wants us off the air because they're about to make their big moves.
That's obvious.
Everybody knows that.
I'm not gonna belabor this.
I need money to fight this war.
I try to make it easy for you to get great things while you do it.
I'm up against the deep state.
I got God on my side.
God has to work through you.
I just...
I came on air yesterday and I asked for people's help.
And we had a little extra money come in.
That ain't gonna cut it.
dan friesen
This feels belabored.
jordan holmes
That was belabored.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
That was the most to make a long story long.
dan friesen
God is on my side.
I need money.
I told you yesterday.
Didn't help that much.
That sucks.
Also, him being like, I'm not going to lie.
I've never lied to you.
You lied about doing drugs earlier.
jordan holmes
You literally lied about that earlier to make yourself look better.
dan friesen
Yeah, what are you talking about?
jordan holmes
Oh my God.
dan friesen
Out and out liar.
jordan holmes
I mean, okay.
dan friesen
He's using God as a lie.
jordan holmes
Let's...
Go into just the basic outline of the God-devil kind of continuum in metaphor throughout history.
God offers you nothing because you already have everything.
He's already given it to you.
And so the offer is nothing.
dan friesen
Get it?
It is for you to accept.
jordan holmes
Right.
The devil goes, look at how powerful you can be!
I have all this power to give you.
Money, wealth, riches, your own show, influence beyond anything that should be reasonable considering your talent level.
Any number of different things that the devil might offer you.
God doesn't offer those things, traditionally.
dan friesen
I think, according to Alex, God is a trickster.
jordan holmes
I think so, too.
Anansi is his God.
dan friesen
So, he needs money.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And he gets a little blunt about how much money he needs.
jordan holmes
Oh, no!
dan friesen
He needs a million dollars.
unidentified
So, I need money.
alex jones
I can't make...
Oh, God, I'm going to get $5,000 of my cut yesterday.
That ain't going to cut it.
I need a million bucks in the next few weeks out of my cut, which is small, so that I can fight them.
I'm out of gas.
I'm up against the wall.
I'll keep fighting all the way.
But we have millions of listeners right now.
Less than 1% buying.
I'm not bitching at you, but what are you doing?
This is the real war.
This is the real deal.
TheAlexJonesStore.com.
Incredible Patriot t-shirts.
It's an adventure to wear them out in public.
You can almost have them in love.
I ain't get attacked.
dan friesen
You might get attacked.
jordan holmes
Cool.
I like that sales pitch on t-shirts.
It's an adventure.
dan friesen
Yeah.
People might love you.
You might get attacked.
jordan holmes
I like that.
dan friesen
You never know.
jordan holmes
I like that.
That might make me buy a shirt, is literally being like, you never know what's going to happen when you put this shit on.
Fucking hell.
dan friesen
Could be violence or a hug.
jordan holmes
Could be anything, yeah.
dan friesen
This doesn't sound like a cool guy.
alex jones
No.
dan friesen
I need a million dollars from my cut.
jordan holmes
I need one million dollars from my cut.
And if it's a flat fee or if it's a percentage of sales, that is going to be a ridiculous amount of sales.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think Alex can't imagine that that is going to be successful based on how successful his plea from the previous day was.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Disappointing, apparently.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And also, I don't think it's that compelling anymore to be like, I need to pay my lawyers!
jordan holmes
I don't know why anybody would want to pay your lawyers.
dan friesen
Right, we've met Norm.
jordan holmes
Shouldn't you be on the space of like, what if we just don't pay my lawyers this time?
dan friesen
Right.
What if we turn around, fuck around, and sue our lawyers?
Because they've clearly been malpracticing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, why would I pay my lawyers?
That doesn't make any sense.
dan friesen
I need a million bucks, though.
jordan holmes
I mean, that does make sense.
I believe he does need a million dollars.
dan friesen
He might need more.
unidentified
Probably.
dan friesen
So, he comes back from break after this, what I would describe as an abusive ad pitch.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I would agree.
dan friesen
He comes back, and I think that this needs music bad.
But I'm listening to the version of it that doesn't have music.
alex jones
You can feel the energy.
Humanity is making its choice for the next 10,000 years.
It's as if we have pulled...
Arrow from our quiver.
Set it to the bow.
Hold it back, focused our eye, aimed at the target, and prepared to softly loose the arrow.
The entire trajectory of our species, our destiny, is now in our hands.
unidentified
The entire trajectory of our species is now in our hands.
alex jones
Ladies and gentlemen, this is the big one.
That's the big one.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
That really needs music.
jordan holmes
That does.
dan friesen
That sucks acapella.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
I would prefer some kind of, like, jazzy, like, almost a...
You know, I would go with something like that.
dan friesen
I think there is a lot of possibility for what could go in there.
Like, I think you could make a lot of things fit.
But man, is it bad without anything.
It's so funny to imagine being there and watching him do this with no music.
Like, you sound crazy.
jordan holmes
Ridiculous.
I don't know.
Music shouldn't make it that much better, but it makes it so much better.
dan friesen
Well, because it's distracting.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
And also, like, oh, it gives it an air of drama where you can be like, obviously he doesn't mean this because there's music playing behind it.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's just kind of feeling the vibe of the music.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But without the music.
unidentified
Ooh.
jordan holmes
All right.
Somebody get Tank.
Cowboy Bebop made theme.
Play it underneath that.
That's the way to go.
dan friesen
You know what it is?
It's like watching people at a silent disco.
You know where they're dancing with headphones on?
It's like that.
jordan holmes
Stop it!
Everybody go home!
Everybody go home!
dan friesen
So, Roger, he knows all about the Eric Adams situation.
jordan holmes
Of course he does.
dan friesen
And so Alex teases Roger coming on to talk about that.
alex jones
Let me tell you what's coming up.
We got a bunch of big guests today.
Roger lives in New York.
Most of the time he moved down to Florida years ago, but he has all the intel.
Roger Stone on Eric Adams' indictment that we knew was coming.
It's very important because it shows the political process and how it's all political.
dan friesen
Wait, the political process is all political?
jordan holmes
It's so crazy how that happened.
dan friesen
What are you saying?
jordan holmes
Things have changed.
Back in my day, the political process was completely apolitical.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
No politics.
dan friesen
Keep politics out of politics.
jordan holmes
Keep it out of politics.
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes
I hate politics in my politics.
dan friesen
So New York Mayor Eric Adams was indicted recently, and if you read the actual indictment, it's a comical level of corruption that is described.
jordan holmes
It's hilarious.
dan friesen
He's getting tons of money from, like, Turkey and Turkish business people, as well as defrauding the state to steal money, and it does not look very good for him.
At this point.
I have no idea what kind of ways Roger is going to try and build on top of this, because it's already wild.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
No, I think it reaches the point where his greatest crime is gall.
The man has the gall to do this shit.
dan friesen
As Alex would say, hubris.
jordan holmes
I mean, I don't think it's hubris.
I don't know if he thought he could get away with it or not.
I just think he just did it.
Fuck it.
Let's go.
That's absurd.
dan friesen
So Alex's take on it is that he only is getting indicted because he went against migration policies that the Democrats and globalists wanted him to push.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
He got out of line, and so they indicted him over this thing that they would have ignored otherwise.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Roger is not on that page.
jordan holmes
Good.
dan friesen
He's like, uh, no.
He committed a bunch of crimes.
jordan holmes
This guy's just comically corrupt.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Why are we bothering?
dan friesen
And so Alex kind of has to double back on his conspiracy about it.
But it's not very interesting.
But there's also news about P. Diddy.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That has come out.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so Alex talks about that a little.
alex jones
Also, it's been testified to by his main bodyguard, Pito Diddy.
unidentified
Nice.
alex jones
And it's come out that he worked with Epstein's handlers, and it's all CIA.
And now they admit that the government has the videotapes of royalty, politicians, and preachers screwing underage boys and girls, and cameras everywhere, exact same CIA operation.
And then you ask, why is it coming out now?
Well, you see all these people that are involved doing exactly what they're told right now.
All these politicians, all these movie stars, people endorsing Kamala, running around like chickens with their heads cut off doing it.
That's because the New World Order is activating their setup.
And I would expect him to kill P. Diddy sooner rather than later, or Pedo Diddy, as he is known.
Then we have Zuckerberg coming out saying he's a libertarian and likes Republicans now.
That signals that they know that Trump's win if they can't kill him is going to be so big that they can't steal it.
So Zuckerberg has definitely hired PR firms, he admits, to try to not be destroyed with what's coming.
So that's a rat leaving a sinking ship.
That's the enemy panicking.
That's a good I don't know if Alex understands what he's doing, but in the span of one minute, he reported two stories that entirely contradict each other.
dan friesen
They don't actually contradict each other in the real world, but in this narrative framework, they do.
The first story is about Diddy and how he got arrested for the horrible crimes he's been committing and why it's happening now.
It's happening now because the New World Order is making its move and everyone's falling in line.
They have all this dirt on all these people, so all the big-name folks, they're compromised and they're coming out and endorsing Harris.
But then the second story is about Mark Zuckerberg deciding to brand himself as a libertarian, which shouldn't be possible if the first story is true.
If the first story is true, then Zuckerberg should be endorsing Harris aggressively because he's one of the biggest globalists, according to Alex.
Like, he's literally Bill Gates' mentee.
jordan holmes
And he went to Hawaii to look at his horrifying evil compound.
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
You have described him as such.
dan friesen
The only way for both of these stories to be true is if the past decade or so of content about Zuckerberg is wrong, which seems like a pivot Alex isn't going to be willing or able to make.
This is just like these ideas are at odds with each other.
These two stories conflict.
Also, because it's funny, one of the major investors in Twitter after Elon Musk bought it was Diddy.
Musk said of Diddy, quote, he's a good friend of mine.
We text a lot.
Don't expect their very clear and frequent connections to ever come up on Infowars unless Alex gets kicked off Twitter again and then he'll suddenly remember it.
The thing that kind of sucks is that he was on the Gethard Show.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's a big deal on the Gethard Show.
unidentified
It was the Diddy Door.
jordan holmes
Yep, yep, yep, yep.
dan friesen
That doesn't feel so good anymore.
jordan holmes
It's not good.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
I just don't think you can give anybody that much money.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You just can't.
Because, and I'm not saying that this is like a, oh, tons more people, everybody would do this if they had access to it, but more people than you might think would be monsters if they had access to hundreds of millions of dollars.
dan friesen
Probably.
jordan holmes
Right?
One of the things that keeps people from doing insane shit is that they can't, physically, in a sense.
And we gotta, we can't allow this shit.
dan friesen
Well, I think that what you're getting at is that when you get to these levels of money, the risk is so high.
That even if only one out of a thousand people would be like him, the damage you can do once you're in that level of money is too great to risk.
jordan holmes
If there's one out of a thousand and a thousand people have that much money, you have guaranteed somebody is going to be a fucking horrifying monster.
dan friesen
Yeah.
The damage that's possible is quite high.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, we get to another news story here that is just not true.
alex jones
And I know, as this audience...
Because you're super active.
You don't even need to tune into me to know this.
You've been researching it.
So remember, for our main audience, I know you know this.
I'm not patronizing you.
But we have millions of new listeners that come through every day.
So you talk about total vindication of myself and Trump and Tucker Carlson, Dr. Darren Beattie, and everybody else.
The Inspector General of the Justice Department came out yesterday and testified.
And said, we're not releasing the report yet, but we can tell you massive numbers of federal agents outside and inside the building.
Now, we have the FBI director saying that's not true.
We have a bunch of other FBI senior people in testimonies.
We have those clips saying it's not true three years ago, two years ago, a year ago.
And now the inspector general says, actually, it's true.
We're going to put a report on it.
dan friesen
January 6th is broken open.
The inspector general has come out and said, there were so many fucking...
Feds are all over the place.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
That didn't happen.
No, this isn't true.
The DOJ Inspector General Michael Horowitz was questioned by a House subcommittee, and he was asked, quote, Horowitz answered, quote, Our report will include the information in that regard.
There was a follow-up about whether it was more than 100, and he said, quote, I'm not in a position to say that both because it's in draft form and we've not gone through the classification review, so I need to be careful.
That's not him admitting that there were tons of feds inside and outside the Capitol that day.
Alex is just a liar, which he told me he wouldn't do.
jordan holmes
Earlier.
dan friesen
He said he wouldn't do that.
jordan holmes
Earlier.
dan friesen
Right, because God and all that.
jordan holmes
Not like...
In the past.
dan friesen
He's not capable of lying because he surrendered his free will to God who acts through him.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So the evidence of him lying must mean that it's a different supernatural being that isn't...
jordan holmes
Well, it could be, or God's working through some shit.
Maybe God doesn't even know when he's lying anymore.
He's like, I created everything, now that I'm saying this, I probably made it true.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
It's heavy.
jordan holmes
That's a weird fucked up god you got there.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And in that spirit, I'm going to skip this next clip.
It's just Alex complaining about how everyone's dicks are getting smaller.
jordan holmes
Wholesome content that he doesn't lie about.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So we're going to skip to this clip where he's defending himself from accusations of crying on air.
People were making fun of him crying that night where he was, like, drunk.
jordan holmes
I was going to say, which night where he was drunk?
dan friesen
The big one where he was pretending like they were going to go off air.
unidentified
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And have to sleep in the studio.
jordan holmes
Yep, yep, yep, yep.
dan friesen
That stuff.
He defends himself from people making fun of him.
alex jones
If you've got a relationship with God that's real, and you love justice, and you're helping people, and you're helping yourself, and you love God, that's all God wants is you to love him.
And then if you love God, God's going to love you.
God already loves you.
And then God's going to do things for you.
But you won't even want it once God does it for you.
You'll just want to be closer to God.
So God hates cowards, and it really comes down to that.
jordan holmes
Why is God hating people so much?
alex jones
So they have all these videos and articles all over the news of me breaking down crying when the feds tried to close the doors without a court order 12 weeks ago.
Out of a 15-hour live broadcast, it was up late, I was tired, and I was thinking about my children and nuclear war in the future.
And how corrupt the Justice Department is.
They would try something like that.
And just how far we'd fallen.
And I got tears in my eyes of emotion.
And loving God.
And just interfacing with the universe.
And the consciousness.
And so I started crying.
And they went, look, he's crying.
They're taking his company away.
Oh, look, he's crying.
And then they take that out of context to make you feel demoralized and defeated.
Oh, look, Alex is crying.
No.
I'm empowered that the enemy would be this desperate to do things like that.
It's energizing.
This persecution is amazing.
It's the best thing other than my children that's ever happened in my life.
It's opened doors up.
It's made me stronger.
It's trained me.
It's done so much.
I was crying because the Holy Spirit was so strong.
And I know you know that, but I...
I just want you to know how the enemy operates.
Oh, look, he's crying.
He's pathetic.
We're going to shut him down.
As if that won't wake up even more people.
But I refuse to be Machiavellian and do my own weird false flag and not 100% try to keep InfoWars on air because they want it.
Even though if they shut it down, it's going to make us bigger.
But I refuse to pull my punches.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
I refuse to one...
In fact, I fight harder.
To keep this on the air.
Even though I, at a temporal level, think, well, if I let him shut it down, it'll be even bigger.
But that's not what God wants me to do.
He wants me to fight as hard as I can for this operation with this flag, with Infowars, because that's in God's plan, and I can't understand it.
But God wants me to keep this on the air.
He wants to keep Infowars going.
So, I'm going to do that with everything I've got, but I can't do it without you.
Go to the AlexJonesStore.com.
Get t-shirts now.
That's how you keep this operation one way or the other on air.
Go there now.
That's the coordinates of victory.
unidentified
Oh, God.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
God would respect that pivot.
That pivot was strong.
jordan holmes
Man, when Jesus really fucked up those money changers, God was like, hey, hey, hey, hey, bro!
What are you doing?
I invented commerce!
dan friesen
That last couple seconds.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it really hurt.
dan friesen
That one, even almost eight years into doing this show, you can still be a little bit surprised.
That one was a little surprising.
Because it felt like it was coming off a rant about defensiveness.
It didn't feel like this is going commercial.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But it did.
It did.
jordan holmes
You know, I...
I've been in churches where they speak in tongues.
I've been in snake handling churches.
I've done some crazy religious beliefs.
Somehow I really do think that's the craziest one, where you could just be like, I'll go into a fucking ad pivot.
That might be the craziest religious belief I've ever heard.
dan friesen
God wants you to, and I don't know why.
jordan holmes
That's exactly it.
That is the craziest thing to believe.
dan friesen
I think that this is why I kind of liked Joe from Texas, is because I have no idea.
I have no idea what he was selling.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Like, I know he was selling something.
jordan holmes
He had to be.
dan friesen
But I don't know what.
jordan holmes
That's important.
dan friesen
With Alex, I know exactly what you're selling, and you're gonna remind me in the middle of completely disconnected rants.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Also, I mean, people were making fun of him for crying because it was obviously fake crying.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He was going through a bunch of weird fake mood swings and lashing out.
I wish just people would post him throwing up in his mouth.
Like, was that because he was so close to God?
jordan holmes
That one was probably more booze.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That was booze and cigarettes.
dan friesen
Same night.
Just post that instead.
jordan holmes
I remember I was watching something not too long ago where they were like, you remember, you know, because we're old now, they were like, dial tone, internet, the noise it makes.
Some people...
Don't know it.
And for our generation, it's, like, seared into the back of our minds.
Like, that is what is there.
And I do think that there's a certain amount of that for, like, in the 90s, if a man was any less than, like, stoic, then compared to the 60s and 70s baby boomer generation, they'd be like, ah, you're a bunch of losers.
You can't cry and all that stuff.
I feel like that's gone away.
If you're sincerely crying, I think everybody's like, yeah, man, get it out.
We've all been there.
dan friesen
I think the percentage of people who still hold on to those feelings is higher among Alex's audience than everyone else.
jordan holmes
That's what I'm saying!
dan friesen
But I personally have been hypersensitive to Alex's emotions and things like that and try not to make fun of things that are sincere.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
He's crying is not sincere most of the time.
That's what's funny about it.
If he was actually crying, I don't think I could not feel empathy.
But he's faking it.
jordan holmes
It's really not something that we do.
dan friesen
So fuck him.
Anyway, Roger comes in, and his analysis of the Eric Adams situation is not that interesting.
His discussion of putting together a team to buy Infowars, not that interesting.
But there is one little clip we're going to talk about.
roger stone
You know, I think last week, for example, when Joe Biden put on a Trump cap and was photographed doing it, when he posed with a bunch of school kids wearing Trump T-shirts, when you saw that entire interview on The View, I think he's still very angry about being forced out of this race.
When he was asked about why he got out, he basically said, well, you know, my polling wasn't all that bad.
It was about...
The same as hers is today.
I thought I could win.
Most of the folks I trust thought I could win.
But there were some in the Democrat Party that were concerned that I couldn't win.
This guy is very unhappy about being forced out.
And he knows exactly what he's doing.
He didn't put on that hat because it was some kind of a mental slip.
He knows exactly what he's doing.
This is his way of sticking it to Kamala Harris and Barack Obama.
dan friesen
Do you see this video?
So Biden was at a firehouse in Scranton, and he was clearly fucking around with a guy there who was wearing a Trump hat.
So he's trying to give this guy a new Biden hat, and the guy asks him to autograph it.
They joke around a bit about how he can't remember his name because he's so old.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
Hey, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I remember that from the TV.
dan friesen
And then Biden gives the guy the signed hat and says, now I need that one, referring to the Trump hat that the guy...
The guy gives it to him, and then he puts on the Biden hat, and Biden puts on the Trump hat.
jordan holmes
Fun.
dan friesen
Everyone smiles, and they get to feel like bipartisanship is a thing that can happen anymore.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
And Roger decided that it's part of an elaborate coded message that Biden's trying to send against Harris and Obama.
jordan holmes
That'd be a fun message.
dan friesen
This is stupid.
jordan holmes
That would be very stupid.
dan friesen
Roger is an idiot, and...
I will not treat him as anything but.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, I do like the...
From a writing perspective, I love the idea of a presidential heel turn right before the election that is so desperately...
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, everybody agrees this is so desperately important.
And he's like, yeah, you know what?
dan friesen
Fuck it.
jordan holmes
Fuck it.
unidentified
I'm petty.
dan friesen
I'm petty as shit.
unidentified
Hell yeah.
jordan holmes
Let's do this.
dan friesen
But you know what?
They are like that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
Roger and Alex are like that.
It would make perfect sense for them.
dan friesen
So they are projecting that onto Biden.
jordan holmes
To them, that seems like a reasonable course of action.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
For them, Michelle Obama might come out at the DNC with a steel chair and take the nomination.
jordan holmes
100%.
Hulk Hogan might speak at the RNC.
dan friesen
Sure.
So anyway, we have a guest.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
This is very exciting.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
It's the guy who killed bin Laden.
alex jones
Well, he's a number one New York Times best-selling author, the operator firing the shot that killed Solomon bin Laden, and many years as a S.H.I.E.L.
team warrior, Robert O 'Neill is here with us.
You can find his book everywhere.
You can find his website as well at robertjoneill.com and on X at MC Hooray.
And so be sure and check all of that out.
Well, I'm glad you're here.
It was great having you on via a video link a few months ago.
So much has happened.
They just tried to kill Trump and you said you had a lot of suspicions and concern as a well-trained sniper.
dan friesen
Oh, this is cool.
So Alex is supposed to believe that Osama bin Laden was not killed by that sniper or the SEAL team?
jordan holmes
Right.
Wasn't that...
dan friesen
That's not what Alex believed.
jordan holmes
That's the deal, yeah.
dan friesen
He's supposed to think that bin Laden died way earlier and the whole thing was a stunt in order to boost Obama's approval ratings.
So that's weird.
jordan holmes
Didn't they thaw him out?
Wasn't that part of it?
They actually literally thawed him out on the boat on the way there because you don't want to...
Stink up the place.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
No, it makes sense.
dan friesen
Leaving aside how this guy's claims poke glaring holes in Alex's worldview, it should also be stated that a lot of people have been pretty offended by O 'Neill taking credit for killing Bin Laden.
Some folks have said that he's exaggerated his role in the story and is a huge asshole.
jordan holmes
That sounds true.
dan friesen
Probably unsurprisingly, this guy has a bit of a history of attention seeking.
He's also publicly claimed to be the lead in events that ended up becoming the movies Captain Phillips and Lone Survivor.
unidentified
Ooh!
jordan holmes
Wow, he's got three to his belt.
He's the Forrest Gump of assassinations.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
He saved Captain Phillips.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Anyway, after leaving the service, O 'Neill became a Trump fan, and that got all crazy about COVID conspiracies, and so here we are.
But yeah, he's one of the people who says he killed bin Laden.
jordan holmes
I mean, if that's me...
That's a pretty solid post-military career, you know?
unidentified
Just throwing out, faking the guy who murdered Osama?
jordan holmes
Why not?
dan friesen
Here's my feeling on it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I get the sense that, you know how, like, everybody has, like, a fake bullet in the firing squad, so no one knows who did it?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I feel like the SEAL teams have a similar code.
You know what I mean?
jordan holmes
Whoever gets him, we all did it as a team.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I've seen a number of interviews where people have been responding to his claims, and they've been like, it doesn't matter what he did, we act as a unit.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And so I think that this is a bad post-military career.
jordan holmes
I agree.
dan friesen
I think it's betraying a bit of the system that you...
Submitted yourself to for personal gain and self-aggrandizement.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
So I think that's kind of shitty.
jordan holmes
You know, you're a tool of America's murdered machine, so what's the moral bottom for you?
Fuck it.
Ride out!
dan friesen
No, I guess it is complicated.
You can't get too harder of a where do you go down from here?
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
From being...
A murderer in the Iraq war.
jordan holmes
I like the idea of being at the pearly gates and God being like, oh, look at that body count.
But you know what?
You lied about Osama, you piece of shit.
Get down there.
dan friesen
You're a dick.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you're a real asshole.
dan friesen
For my purposes, I'm assessing him as a dick.
jordan holmes
Agreed.
dan friesen
Because he's on Alex's show, and that's what I know of him.
jordan holmes
That works.
dan friesen
So I also think that just...
I was like, okay, this is at least going to be a challenging interview where Alex has to deal with the fact that this guy killed Bin Laden, which he doesn't believe.
Right.
Among other beliefs.
But then it was just like, this guy sucks.
This guy is a real...
unidentified
He's a real dick.
jordan holmes
He's just an asshole.
robert j oneill
My new daughter is just happy to be happy.
And that's what we all should do.
And I think a lot of the problems with this country is...
I mean, even the feminists.
They want to go out and get jobs, which is fine, but they want to put their family secondary.
alex jones
They act like children isn't the ultimate mission.
robert j oneill
It should be.
And that's what makes the country great, is the nuclear family, a father and a mother at home.
And if you can't do it, you can't do it.
My daughter at home, she doesn't get sad because we bring her to daycare.
And I don't want to do that.
I want to raise her as an American.
dan friesen
Yeah, this guy just sounds like a dumb idiot.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know what else to say.
He has some opinions that are old.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Probably from the days when he went into the service.
dan friesen
And they don't seem to be, like, expressed super coherently.
He seems to be a little bit all over the place.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, you know.
dan friesen
These fucking feminists.
jordan holmes
I haven't heard that one in a long time.
I really just...
I haven't.
dan friesen
Look, if women want to have jobs, fine.
But they need to reproduce.
jordan holmes
It's like the last movie he saw was PCU, and then he joined the military.
And he's like, well, the end of my political belief system.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
So he rambles a bit about how gay marriage...
It was a conspiracy.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And it was a bit of a slippery slope by the NGOs who just want money, and that's why they're making everyone trans now.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
robert j oneill
When the government gets involved, especially with NGOs, I think the way that it started, NGOs came in and initially started off with gay marriage, which is great.
If you're an adult, you want to marry a dude, you're a dude, fine, whatever.
But they came in with all this money, and all of a sudden...
Gay marriages there, cool.
They didn't say, well, I guess we're done with that.
Then they went on to trans, because there's so many donors, there's so much stuff coming in, that they're not just going to say, okay, we're done with that.
Then they move on to the trans, and they move on to everything else.
alex jones
It's a business plan.
robert j oneill
All you've got to do is follow the money.
And I know we hear that all the time.
alex jones
We've seen the heads of medical schools saying, we're going to make $30,000 per kid just with the surgeries.
robert j oneill
It's because somebody is making money off vaccines.
They're making money off whatever nonsense they're trying to pull.
And they're never going to not say, okay, we're just done.
They're going to keep pushing and pushing and pushing.
And again, if you're 18 and up and you're an adult, do what you want.
But once they start coming for the kids, and that's all they're doing, because the communists told us a long, long time.
I'm going to go, they're going to come for the kids, they're going to come for the school, they're going to come for the entertainment, they're going to come for the media.
And they've taken all of it.
I mean, even back in the day when you talk about McCarthyism, McCarthy was right.
Alger Hiss was, he was in dead on.
alex jones
And you can't even say that right now.
robert j oneill
And it's frustrating for me because, like I said, I homeschool my kids.
I just talked to Emma, my daughter, who's 21 years old.
I talked to her just today, and she's in college.
And I'm telling her, you've got to watch out for what's happening.
And don't let, look.
You're in college.
Just because you're listening to someone in a room, he or she listened to someone else in a room.
I've been to 70 countries.
I've been in foreign combat missions.
I've been overseas.
These people have not.
But they've heard what these communists tell them over and over and over again.
And that's the nonsense.
And you know what's crazy?
They've told us straight up, here's what we're doing to your kids.
Get some.
So guys like me...
alex jones
So that's your line of the sand?
dan friesen
Yeah.
robert j oneill
Yeah, I'm done with this nonsense.
dan friesen
Did I just stumble into a coke party?
jordan holmes
I have no idea.
dan friesen
What is happening?
jordan holmes
What the fuck?
dan friesen
This guy, these thoughts are disconnected.
They're all over the place.
I feel annoyed.
jordan holmes
Can I suggest a couple of things?
One, you have been out of the country.
I agree.
unidentified
However, let's say you haven't been necessarily a tourist.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
You've been more like going into places with the intent to harm other people who you think are evil.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You've been told they are.
dan friesen
With your gang.
jordan holmes
Yeah, with your gang.
Yes.
You have gone into someone else's home and murdered a bunch of people.
And now you're like, out there is dangerous!
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I do think that it's real fun for people to be like, what's education?
It's just a person in a room who's been in a room with a person.
jordan holmes
Always great.
dan friesen
Okay, dude.
jordan holmes
All right.
Cool it.
Listen, I understand.
Oh, these are liberal.
unidentified
I get where you're coming from.
jordan holmes
I don't get the McCarthy was right and I homeschool my kids.
I don't get those two.
I don't get those two together.
dan friesen
And it's all because they...
We want to profit off making everyone trans because the gay marriage got passed, and then they're like, "We gotta keep making money." That's the thing that I don't understand, the people who don't get like, "All right, listen." Since 1880, every 30 years we've decided a new group of people are people.
jordan holmes
You know, women, boom.
Irish, boom.
Black people, boom.
Women again, boom.
Black people again, boom.
Gay people for the first time.
If you were in the black people aren't people era, you're definitely not in the gay people are gay people era.
You're not cool.
You're just in the future.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
I don't...
I don't understand, I guess, not getting the bigger picture.
There's what you're describing.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But he doesn't.
jordan holmes
Like, I get what...
Man, think about what you're saying.
Think about what you're saying.
In ten years, you'll be saying, hey, trans people can get transed.
Whatever.
I don't give a shit about that.
What the NGOs are doing is making that...
Buddy, just skip to the end.
Just skip to the end.
dan friesen
It seems like a...
Cruel lack of awareness.
But I also think that this guy seems stupid.
So it doesn't really seem that unbelievable that he wouldn't get it.
jordan holmes
No, he's got the Dunning-Kruger effect disease.
unidentified
It is embodied by him.
Yeah, he killed Bin Laden and saved Captain Phillips.
jordan holmes
Deserves it.
Man, what a weird world we live in where that's not only an acceptable thing to crow about, but also people want to buy your book because of it.
dan friesen
I'm not 100% sure this is the first person who said he's killed bin Laden that Alex has interviewed.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
dan friesen
I'm not sure.
My memory's a little bit hazy, but...
No, that's right, because Tonto Peranto, he was at Benghazi.
jordan holmes
That's right.
dan friesen
Yeah, no, he didn't kill bin Laden.
jordan holmes
That's right, he did not.
dan friesen
So, I think that this guy has Alex energy, in that he won't shut the fuck up.
He keeps talking, he rambles, these thoughts are disconnected, and I really get the sense that Alex does not enjoy talking to himself.
robert j oneill
You can vote your way into communism.
You've got to shoot your way out.
And that's all it is.
You vote for socialism, and then your children eat out of dumpsters.
alex jones
And socialism is always the road to communism.
robert j oneill
Every single time.
And you'll hear these people say, well, they just didn't do it right.
So Pol Pot didn't do it right.
Stalin didn't do it right.
Hitler didn't do it right.
This is ridiculous.
I can't believe that I send my daughters to college, and they're learning from college professors this ridiculous nonsense, and yet they say, well, we just didn't...
No, they did it exactly the way it was supposed to be.
So, I mean, you wake up and learn.
I mean, everything from the founding fathers, racist, Columbus, all this.
Look, everyone had slaves.
That's just the way it worked, and I don't agree with it.
We weren't the only ones that did it.
And it's just such an issue that America's bad, you're bad.
If Thomas Jefferson looked at 2% tax, he might have been happy with what's happening now.
They're taxing us on what we could make.
Soon.
Do you think of future games?
Are they going to give us money back if we don't make that money?
alex jones
No.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
This feels like a tryout that isn't going well.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He seems over-eager for the show, and he's doing...
A show?
jordan holmes
He's nervous.
dan friesen
Uh, maybe.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he feels nervous.
dan friesen
Yeah, and Alex does not enjoy it.
I just don't, this is, their energies have not met in the middle.
jordan holmes
It's bad show energy.
dan friesen
It's bad.
jordan holmes
It's bad show, man, and it's really disconnected.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
It is like, man, I can accept three sentences in a row on the same topic, and then you can change it, and that's still too much, but you are going sentence by sentence.
Completely different.
dan friesen
If you look at the path of this, it's that they're teaching...
Communism in the schools.
jordan holmes
They didn't do it right.
dan friesen
Right.
They didn't do it right is what they're teaching.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And then he jumps to all the founding fathers are racist.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Which is supposed to be connected by that's something else they're teaching in the schools.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So he complains about that and how everyone says they're all racist.
jordan holmes
Everybody are slaves!
dan friesen
No big deal.
jordan holmes
That was good.
dan friesen
It was normal back then.
jordan holmes
That was good stuff.
dan friesen
Our energies met.
jordan holmes
It did.
That's why we do a show together.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So then he thinks of the Founding Fathers, and he thinks of Thomas Jefferson, and he thinks about a 2% tax, and then he jumps to that.
Like, it's...
unidentified
A to C to E. Yeah.
jordan holmes
A lot of the times it feels like when people are doing this, they're skipping chunks.
And if I had those chunks, it would make sense as to why we got there.
This guy is not doing that.
He is just free associating whatever pops in is what's coming out.
dan friesen
Well, and when you're in this dynamic...
Alex gets to do that, and you catch up.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
He's not playing catch up with you.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
You're not leading this conversation.
I know you killed Bin Laden, but so what?
jordan holmes
Yeah, what are you going to do?
Kill me?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's illegal.
dan friesen
So, I was real bored by this guy.
jordan holmes
I believe it.
dan friesen
I think his thoughts were uncompelling and uninteresting for the way they're being delivered.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then he said this, and I just said, alright, I will turn this off.
robert j oneill
Right now, what we're looking at is Israel has finally taken the...
They're in the saddle.
They're on the horse.
Because the two countries that are against complete communism, or against a world economic forum, you brought that up, against the deep state, is Israel and the United States.
Right now, we're lost.
Israel...
You saw what they just did with the pagers.
Israel's saying, you know what?
F it.
We got this.
So they're proving that they're in the supply line.
Not only...
Look at how cool that was with the pagers.
They know damn well...
jordan holmes
Not cool.
robert j oneill
Not cool.
Dudes will pick the pages up and look at it, and they blow their face off.
Or they blow their sex organs off.
Israel is now taking the charge, and that's all we got left.
dan friesen
Alex should kick him off the show, based on his own positions and where he's at.
Like, there's no reason that this should even go another minute.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
This should end.
jordan holmes
Yep.
I mean, just morally, anybody.
I get how he can't get it.
On account of he was gone through training to think that murder's okay.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
That makes sense to me that he would be like, this is a cool use of technology because I'm from a place where the president can drone bomb people at random.
I'm fine.
I get why he would get there.
dan friesen
He has a desensitization on some level.
jordan holmes
But even then, I kind of feel like he shouldn't be cool with that.
He shouldn't be cool with...
No, no.
dan friesen
He should be presenting it as, look how awesome this is.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there's rules of engagement.
The whole war thing.
He should be into the war part where you have the rules of war so you're warring and not just a massacre who murders people.
dan friesen
You'd think.
You'd think.
And when I have somebody who I'm assessing, let's say, or trying to get a vibe off of, and there's somebody who's like, you know what?
I fucking killed Bin Laden.
I was in SEAL Team 6. I was so cool.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
I don't necessarily see growth as a person if this is what they're expressing years after they have left the killing game.
I don't see introspection.
I don't see anybody who has something interesting to say about what they experienced.
I bet his book sucks.
And Alex should hate this guy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he has very big I need to be kept on a leash energy, and that's why I was good in the military and not good in the real world.
dan friesen
And so I decided to exert my leash by saying, I don't really care how this ends.
The ultimate conclusion should be Alex quitting on air because it has come to this.
Totally.
But you'll probably just plug a bunch.
jordan holmes
I mean, that's...
It is so much like the Eric Adams thing where it's like, guys, everybody, stop.
You don't need any more information.
There is no more talking that needs to be done.
That's it.
It is what it is.
Let's all just look at it and go, no.
None of that.
dan friesen
Don't interview the guy who killed bin Laden.
jordan holmes
Just don't.
Don't interview, even if he's not, well, even if he is what he says he is, and the guy who literally fired the single shot that did it.
Right?
Still don't interview him.
dan friesen
Unless you've read his book and it involves a scathing analysis of what he experienced and shows some kind of retrospect and there's a statement to be made about the act of killing and what war is.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
Then maybe you interview him, but not like this.
Also, I would say maybe if you talk to this guy for like three minutes and get this kind of a vibe off him...
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Cancel the interview.
jordan holmes
No, you gotta go.
dan friesen
He starts talking about how feminism is cool, but the NGOs are...
unidentified
Oh my god!
jordan holmes
You're breaking up!
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
No, he's in studio.
jordan holmes
Oh my god!
You're still breaking up!
Punch!
dan friesen
Punch!
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Right.
unidentified
Oof.
dan friesen
So anyway, we'll be back with another episode.
Check in on how Alex is doing as his liquidation gets closer and closer.
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
Indeed we do.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Yep.
We are also going to be back.
unidentified
Beep, beep, beep.
jordan holmes
Beep, boop, boop, boop.
I am the mysterious professor now.
unidentified
Oh, no!
jordan holmes
Yes!
alex jones
Woo, yeah, woo!
jordan holmes
Yeah, woo!
steve quayle
And now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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