#967: Tucker, The Man And His Live Show
In this installment, Dan and Jordan discuss Dan's trip to Pennsylvania where he attended Alex's live show with Tucker Carlson.
Sept. 27, 2024 - Knowledge Fight
03:21:23
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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
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Dan and Jordan. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| We need money. | ||
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Andy in Kansas. | |
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| It's time to pray. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
|
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your room. | ||
| Knowledge Fight. | ||
| KnowledgeFight.com I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around and worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are. | ||
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Dan. | |
| Jordan. | ||
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Dan. | |
| Jordan. | ||
| Quick question for you. | ||
| What's up? | ||
| What's your bright spot today, buddy? | ||
| Why don't you go first? | ||
| My bright spot is Jason Pargin's new book, formerly nom de plume under David Wong. | ||
| Perhaps still. | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But his new book is out. | ||
| It's called I'm Starting to Worry About That Black Back... | ||
| This black box of doom. | ||
| Slight unwieldiness of title. | ||
| Sure, as is the fashion. | ||
| Yeah, but it's very, very good. | ||
| It's a really, really good book. | ||
| Unfortunately, we weren't able to work out an interview and stuff, but it's really good and I think everybody would like it. | ||
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Nice! | |
| I think it's like right up the alley of people having the type of conversation that... | ||
| Is surrounding conspiracy theories all the time. | ||
| You know, it's one of those books that's like, it explores a bunch of different avenues that maybe you wouldn't have thought of. | ||
| I wish you would have given me this plug last time because I could have used it during my bright spot. | ||
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Ooh. | |
| Which I'll get to in a second. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Do you have anything else? | ||
| Sorry, I realized that was almost cutting you off. | ||
| No, I'm good. | ||
| All good, yeah. | ||
| So my bright spot is my secret mission. | ||
| Yes, of course. | ||
| I went to Pennsylvania. | ||
| Yes, you did. | ||
| I went to Reading, Pennsylvania, Reading. | ||
| Reading? | ||
| Reading. | ||
| I refuse to. | ||
| I do not acknowledge pronunciations at all anymore. | ||
| Anybody from Britain who tells me that this is how it's supposed to be pronounced is wrong. | ||
| So I accept the same thing for America, too. | ||
| I went there for the Alex Jones-Tucker Carlson live show to take it all in, experience it in person. | ||
| Because I knew we were going to hear about it. | ||
| We were probably going to cover it. | ||
| I wanted to be able to tell you about the vibes. | ||
| I want to do a vibe check on him. | ||
| It's good to have vibes. | ||
| It's good to not see it just through a computer screen sometimes. | ||
| So I could have read this book on the plane. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| If you had told me. | ||
| Yes, you could have. | ||
| That's a connective tissue there. | ||
| I see that now. | ||
| It's a good book. | ||
| I went for a real quick trip, flew into Pennsylvania, and went to this stupid show and came back. | ||
| God, what a waste. | ||
| I mean, I don't know what to say. | ||
| I admire you for the adventure. | ||
| I don't envy you for the adventure. | ||
| I am happy to be a middle-aged man who's staying at home with his dogs and wife. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| It does sound great. | ||
| And it really wasn't that much of an adventure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think that I got it in my head of this idea of, like, it's happening. | ||
| This may never happen again. | ||
| True. | ||
| Shit's falling apart pretty well for Alex in a lot of ways that could be pretty serious in the near future. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the idea of Tucker doing an arena tour and having Alex on as a guest, that's probably, the odds of that happening again are pretty slim. | ||
| So it just came into my head as a joke, and then I couldn't not do it. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it was hard to... | ||
| So I had to have the follow-through. | ||
| So anyway, we're going to be talking about that today. | ||
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Indeed. | |
| Going to Pennsylvania to see this stupid show, and then covering the stupid show. | ||
| Yeah, what we can't... | ||
| What I just... | ||
| I don't want to... | ||
| I don't even know how to say it because we're a radio format, but my man, your mustache is radiant, if you will. | ||
| It is fantastical. | ||
| I should explain that... | ||
| In order to go, I wanted to go in disguise. | ||
| Incognito. | ||
| So what I decided to do was I decided to shave just my chin, right? | ||
| So I'd have the chopstache. | ||
| Yes, the chopstache. | ||
| And I thought, like, well, no one will recognize me like this. | ||
| And no one did recognize me, actually. | ||
| No. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| But... | ||
| I met up with friend of the show Amanda Moore there to go to the show. | ||
| And we were walking down the street outside the venue. | ||
| The first person I saw was somebody with a chopstache. | ||
| Welcome home, brother! | ||
| I picked my outfit perfectly. | ||
| I fit right in. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| But yeah, since I've shaved the sides, now I just have the handlebar mustache. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| No, it looks good. | ||
| You sent me a picture before you went, and I think you meant it as a joke. | ||
| Sort of. | ||
| Like, genuinely. | ||
| Or, you know, 50-50. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| In hindsight, I'm not sure if it was a joke. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it surprisingly looks pretty good. | ||
| It's like, oh, yeah, that fits on you. | ||
| This handlebar mustache, my plan with it is I saw a movie with Sam Elliott in it. | ||
| Might have been Ghost Rider. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Ghost Rider. | ||
| Ghost Rider, not Ghost Ra-ter. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I noticed that he's got this western look of, like, the beard a little bit shorter than the mustache. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Always a good one. | ||
| That looks good. | ||
| That is a good look. | ||
| So I want to try that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That old-timey, like, oh, you have a mustache, but, you know, it's the old west, so it's been five days since you shaved, so you got the beard, mustache, yeah, that's great. | ||
| Look grizzled as fuck. | ||
| That's what I'm shooting for now. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| More grizzle, please! | ||
| Yeah, Sam Elliott, but I'm a podcaster. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I thought that Sam Elliott being the greatest bouncer in the history of the world was badass. | ||
| But now that I know he could do a podcast. | ||
| It's a cooler. | ||
| That's shit. | ||
| So, Jordan, today we're going to talk about this. | ||
| But first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new walks. | ||
| That's a great idea. | ||
| So first, Dunkey the Diaper Warrior who just turned one. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy walk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, Dan and Jordan should go on the Blank Check podcast to discuss the David Lynch version of Dude and how much Alex Jones quotes it and the other works of Frank Herbert. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| Next, I'd love a shout-out to Just Sam. | ||
| Doesn't even have to be me. | ||
| Let's just say it's Sam who runs HR at my company. | ||
| I get all her emails I shouldn't see so she can get my shout-out. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| And we get a technocrat in the mix, Jordan, so thank you so much to Alex. | ||
| You're the best chosen brother I could have ever asked for, and I love you, Zoe. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Four stars. | ||
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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. | |
| Someone, someone, sodomite, sent me a bucket of poop. | ||
| Daddy Shark. | ||
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Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp. | |
| Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. | ||
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He's a loser little, little titty baby. | |
| I don't want to hate black people. | ||
| I renounce Jesus Christ! | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| Yes, thank you very much. | ||
| I'm guessing that wasn't Alex Jones. | ||
| I don't believe so, no. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| We'll never know. | ||
| I mean, it's possible. | ||
| So, I went to this event. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Like I said multiple times already, it was stupid. | ||
| Yep. | ||
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Sure. | |
| And we will cover that show, but there was also a little thing that Alex and Tucker did before the show. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Which was Alex trying to interview him for his show. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Getting a little bit of content from me. | ||
| Double up. | ||
| We're there. | ||
| We're in the same space. | ||
| Might as well shoot an extra half-hour content. | ||
| We're at the hotel in Lancaster. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| And so let's go ahead and shoot a little video. | ||
| Let's do it. | ||
| So here's where that begins. | ||
| With only 43 days, that's 1,000 hours to the most important election in world history. | ||
| I know it's a cliche, but it's really happening now. | ||
| Everybody can feel it and see it. | ||
| We're with... | ||
| America's favorite populist journalist, Tucker Carlson. | ||
| Tucker. | ||
| Alex Jones, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| Thanks for having me. | ||
| In your hotel suite here in whatever city we're in in Pennsylvania. | ||
| At a secret location. | ||
| I saw him in the restaurant, ran over and stalked him and said, you've got to come up before we go to your big event tonight. | ||
| He said, sure, I'll give you a few minutes. | ||
| So, Tucker, wow, a lot of serious stuff going on. | ||
| You want to kind of repeat what you were just saying before we started taping here? | ||
| We're pretty powerful. | ||
| First of all, it's not my event. | ||
| It's your event tonight. | ||
| Boo! | ||
| And I can't wait. | ||
| Reading, Pennsylvania. | ||
| No, I was just saying, we were just discussing the news, and, you know, you can feel that evil is on the march, actually. | ||
| So I left the Tucker event with a few very strong impressions, but none of them were as clear and as vivid as how much this man overuses actually as a catchphrase. | ||
| He uses it like a punctuation mark at the end of sentences, the way that some people used to do with literally. | ||
| It's just a rhetorical technique that he's using to try to emphasize the things he's saying, but taken as a word that it means something, what Tucker is conveying is something along the lines of, I really mean this. | ||
| His use of "actually" is meant to augment sentences that sound extreme, or like metaphors, to assure the viewers that he actually means what he's saying. | ||
| Evil really is on the march. | ||
| This isn't just flowery language that I'm using for shock value. | ||
| Tucker says "actually" so many times, and so condescendingly that I was tempted to make a supercut of every time he did it throughout the show. | ||
| We'd be recording tomorrow. | ||
| Actually. | ||
| I was disgusted by it, actually. | ||
| And actually, I fished here a lot. | ||
| Hurting. | ||
| Like, actually. | ||
| Our leaders did that, actually. | ||
| Damn you, actually. | ||
| There's no love, actually. | ||
| Actually. | ||
| There's a beautiful town, actually. | ||
| And they're not zombies, actually. | ||
| You're evil, actually. | ||
| They're violence worshippers, actually. | ||
| You can't be Dick Cheney, actually. | ||
| Sorry, it's not allowed. | ||
| They don't do anything, actually. | ||
| Animals don't commit genocide, actually. | ||
| So it's a little bit annoying. | ||
| He's a little bit of a... | ||
| While I was sitting there watching the show, I was like, oh my god, again? | ||
| This is a lot. | ||
| You know who everybody loved in junior high? | ||
| The kid who was like, well, actually, it's not what you say, it's what I say. | ||
| It really makes him... | ||
| Come off cool. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And like, I want to hang out with them. | ||
| Everybody was like, oh man, being around you is so enjoyable and fun when we don't get to say or enjoy things. | ||
| Actually. | ||
| So what Tucker is saying there in that clip, though, when he's talking to Alex, is true. | ||
| This show is not really a Tucker event. | ||
| It's meant to launder his guests to the Fox News generation viewers that came along with Tucker after he got fired and went along to this new endeavor. | ||
| Many of the people who are on his show are selected specifically because they're the people who Tucker needs to convince the audience aren't that bad, like Alex or Kid Rock or Russell Brand. | ||
| This is about creating a new media ecosystem, and an important part of that is making sure the viewers don't get a bad view of various figures. | ||
| We're going to play into that ecosystem. | ||
| The show is about selling Alex, so Tucker exists on it in that capacity. | ||
| It's not a Tucker show. | ||
| It's a Tucker Presents kind of situation where you want to be like, this guy is the prophet. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, great. | ||
| Yeah, so he's not actually, I don't think he's buttering up Alex. | ||
| I think that's for real, you know? | ||
| This is your show. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I believe that. | ||
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It's a little bit, boy. | |
| How do you launder... | ||
| What would be the historical comparison for laundering a guy like this? | ||
| Like the Romanovs trying to launder... | ||
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Oh God, now I can't remember the name of him. | |
| Rasputin? | ||
| Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Like Romanovs bringing out Rasputin like, Hey, ladies and gentlemen, we've got Rasputin here! | ||
| He's pretty fun when you hang out with him. | ||
| Yeah, looking like a fucking demon walking out. | ||
| Yeah, that makes sense. | ||
| I could see that. | ||
| I don't... | ||
| No, but I think that Tucker really needs to bank on Alex not being around much longer. | ||
| If he really wants this whole game to work out, it's really inconvenient for Alex to continue to... | ||
| Do his show and continue to be around because he's going to keep making all these bullshit, stupid predictions that don't end up happening. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And you're going to have to be like, oh wait, maybe this guy's not a prophet. | ||
| Maybe he's an asshole. | ||
| So you think Tucker's trying to vampirically suck out the very last drops of juice that Alex has got? | ||
| Yeah, kind of. | ||
| I mean, no, it makes sense. | ||
| If you're a vampire, that's what you do. | ||
| If he's not, this is insane. | ||
| Any other motivation does not make sense. | ||
| That is a great Sherlock quote. | ||
| It's like, well, obviously vampires are real because otherwise this human being is a fucking lunatic. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Occam's razor tells me he must be trying to do something vampire-like. | ||
| So Tucker talks about how he's not worried. | ||
| He has hope. | ||
| He's got to have hope. | ||
| And I was just saying, we're saying, what's going to happen in the election? | ||
| We're talking about it off camera. | ||
| Of course, I don't know. | ||
| I'm always wrong in my predictions, but I have a strong feeling of hope. | ||
| And I'm not afraid at all. | ||
| I don't know why. | ||
| Because I think victory is coming. | ||
| And by victory, I mean specifically the victory of the human spirit over the machine, which is trying to crush it, which is anti-human and non-human, I would say. | ||
| But I'm not afraid for some reason. | ||
| I'm not exactly sure why. | ||
| It's not like I'm so rich or something that I'm not afraid. | ||
| I'm not. | ||
| But I'm not afraid because I feel on some deep animal level that these people just aren't going to win. | ||
| There may be short-term victories. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But there will be no long-term victories for these people. | ||
| Tucker has every reason to have hope. | ||
| He's way richer than he's pretending to be and he's managed to create a new space for himself outside of Fox News that's going to be profitable if Trump wins or loses. | ||
| No matter what, he's going to make a lot of money and that's got to feel pretty good. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| When Obama was in office, he was the opposition party and attacked proposed policies and demanded that everything needed to be going better. | ||
| Tucker was good at playing the game. | ||
| He made it about as far as he could playing that game. | ||
| But signing up with Trump had its consequences. | ||
| He got huge ratings, so Tucker thought he was bulletproof, treating all the people around him like shit and doing patently libelous broadcasts about the 2020 election. | ||
| He got fired by Fox and then he went on the, the whole structure of the game like went away that he was playing for his entire career. | ||
| Tucker feels hope now because he's decided to play his own game free of the rules he's been restrained by before. | ||
| And it's worked. | ||
| He's found the Holy grail, an audience that doesn't have any standards at all. | ||
| as you make them feel good. | ||
| If I were him, I'd feel great and hopeful too. | ||
| He doesn't believe all this shit about literal demons nipping at everybody's feet. | ||
| He's just found people who will give him tons of money to pretend to be worried about that. | ||
| And I don't know how a con man could be in a more hopeful situation. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It really pisses you off that these are the same people who think sex workers should be illegal. | ||
| Because I see very little difference between the two. | ||
| I mean, in terms of you make people feel good for money, I don't see much difference there. | ||
| I think that, in my experience, sex workers don't often have supplement lines. | ||
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Yeah, see? | |
| Again, they're better people! | ||
| Tucker gets into complaining about probably the thing that carries him through the whole day. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is in this interview, and then later on the show he's going to complain about it, and that was that he saw a picture of Zelensky signing a bomb with Josh Shapiro, Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro. | ||
| Okay, wait, wait, wait. | ||
| They're with him at a photo op. | ||
| Okay, he wasn't signing it to Josh Shapiro. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Okay, okay. | ||
| Although... | ||
| That would be interesting. | ||
| That would be a new one. | ||
| So Tucker complains about that here. | ||
| Well, I just saw a photograph of Josh Shapiro, who's the governor of Pennsylvania. | ||
| He was evil. | ||
| I'm not saying that lightly. | ||
| With Zelensky, he was campaigning for Kamala Harris and Democrats. | ||
| Using U.S. military aircraft to get around, using our tax dollars. | ||
| Here in Pennsylvania right now. | ||
| He's campaigning right now in the key swing state today as we speak. | ||
| And I saw Josh Shapiro signing artillery shells with his name that are going to kill Russians in a war that we have not declared against Russia. | ||
| It will kill civilians. | ||
| And I thought, evil is just open. | ||
| Can you imagine signing an artillery shell? | ||
| It's going to be used to kill civilians in a war that you're not even in. | ||
| When it's the biggest nuclear power in the world, what'd you make of Biden going, yeah, we don't want the blame, but go ahead and use the storm shadows. | ||
| So Zelensky visited an ammunition factory in Scranton, Pennsylvania the day before this, and Tucker has decided that this was a Harris campaign event. | ||
| This is something I think is kind of on the line. | ||
| It makes total sense that Zelensky would visit this ammunition factory and it doesn't have to be a partisan event. | ||
| Because the Republican Party is very much in support of Russia and Putin, the only people who would tend to show up for an event like this would end up being Democrats. | ||
| The timing is iffy, though, since the election is so close and Pennsylvania is a swing state, so I can kind of understand having some complaints about that event happening at all. | ||
| I kind of get it, but also Tucker's being a little dramatic and going overboard about this whole thing. | ||
| As a whole. | ||
| He interviewed Putin. | ||
| Get out of here. | ||
| I don't think I would necessarily defend the simple act of autographing a bomb, but I also don't think that's weird in wartime. | ||
| Like, a bunch of people signed the atomic bomb Fat Man that ended up being dropped on Nagasaki. | ||
| The problem isn't the signatures, it's the bombs. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Earlier this year, Nikki Haley wrote, finish them on an artillery shell when she was in Israel. | ||
| And in the sake of fairness, I do have to say that Tucker did complain about this, as well as her saying, finish them in a news interview that she did. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I think it's less a case of intellectual consistency and more a matter of her being Trump's primary opponent at the time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, in the interest of fairness, he did call that out as well. | ||
| I mean, he did jerk off whenever Trump dropped the Moab. | ||
| True. | ||
| Also, Biden has not approved Ukrainian use of storm shadow missiles. | ||
| Alex is just making that up and hiding behind weird qualified language in order to pretend that's what's happening. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But, you know, I guess if you're in Pennsylvania and you see this picture of people signing a bomb. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| That's all you need. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| That's all the fuel you need for the day? | ||
| Getting real angry? | ||
| You know, I guess it makes sense for everybody to do what it is that they are doing. | ||
| From where they began. | ||
| You know, like, all the things that they chose that led them to this point. | ||
| But if I'm just sitting there, like, not knowing all of the details and I just saw this, I'd be like, all of you need to stop whatever it is you're doing and go do anything else. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Because what this is, is stupid. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I do think that I am... | ||
| I'm unfortunately positioned to have seen this show because I understand a lot of the, like, ah, I get what they're talking about, you know, but it's truly dumb. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is truly dumb. | ||
| If you just look at it as, like you're saying, from an external standpoint, it's like, this is stupid. | ||
| Yeah, it's just like, I get how everybody got here. | ||
| That's the problem. | ||
| Everybody stop. | ||
| Everybody just sit down. | ||
| Like, heads up, seven up. | ||
| Can we play heads up, seven up for like an hour? | ||
| And then by the time everybody's done, we'll figure it out. | ||
| We took a hundred wrong turns. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| And each of those wrong turns kind of felt like, eh, maybe we're not that far off course. | ||
| But now we're here. | ||
| And this town is not where we were heading. | ||
| So far away. | ||
| This is bad. | ||
| This is bad. | ||
| So, Tucker talks about how his enemies, the problem with them is that they delight in killing. | ||
| They revel in murder. | ||
| That would be a problem. | ||
| Just the delight they take in killing and in blood. | ||
| I mean, it tells you exactly who they are. | ||
| These people are thrilled by the idea of ending human life. | ||
| They worship abortion. | ||
| They worship war. | ||
| They worship youth and age. | ||
| They worship killing other human beings. | ||
| And maybe it's just my age or something, but I've never seen it with the clarity I see it with now. | ||
| And I see it as just undisguised evil, which is what they are. | ||
| Why do you think the death cult is so undisguised now? | ||
| Probably a combination of factors. | ||
| They are afraid. | ||
| They understand they don't have the consent of the people they govern. | ||
| So the democracy talk is not only ridiculous, it's the opposite of the truth. | ||
| It's not democracy, of course. | ||
| And I think they know that, and it makes them nervous. | ||
| I get that Zelensky signing a bomb is a tough image for Tucker, but he needs to stop pretending that the people he supports aren't just as bloodthirsty and violent as the people he's critiquing. | ||
| His savior Trump took out an ad in the paper calling for the execution of the Central Park Five in 1989 and hasn't been particularly chill since then. | ||
| I know that people remember that Trump paid to publish that open letter, but it's easy to forget what he wrote. | ||
| From that letter, titled, quote, Bring back the death penalty, bring back our police. | ||
| Quote, Mayor Koch has stated that hate and rancor should be removed from our hearts. | ||
| I do not think so. | ||
| I want to hate these muggers and murderers. | ||
| They should be forced to suffer, and when they kill, they should be executed for their crimes. | ||
| They must serve as examples so that others will think long and hard before committing a crime or an act of violence. | ||
| Yes, Mayor Koch, I want to hate these murderers, and I always will. | ||
| I'm not looking to psychoanalyze or understand them. | ||
| I'm looking to punish them. | ||
| If the punishment is strong, the attacks on innocent people will stop. | ||
| He wasn't calling for some preferred policy. | ||
| He was expressing a deep desire for revenge against five dudes who were wrongly convicted of crimes that they'd later be exonerated for. | ||
| We could spend all day going over all the threats Trump has made, reveling in violence and blood. | ||
| He threatened to obliterate Iran, bring fire and fury to North Korea, and he wanted to nuke hurricanes, which doesn't seem like a problem for Tucker. | ||
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He's not thirsty for any violence. | |
| That's because the complaint that he's making isn't sincere. | ||
| Tucker's complaint is not real. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| I mean, the French aristocracy were very much like, ah, there's rabble. | ||
| They're so violent. | ||
| Now stab him! | ||
| Stab him! | ||
| Stab him some more! | ||
| I just think that this would come off a little bit more sincere if the person that he defended and supported wasn't... | ||
| A complete lunatic bent on violence. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, it is so wild sometimes because it's like, if it weren't Trump, you could see them getting away with it so much easier. | ||
| You know, like with Bush. | ||
| It's more believable if it's Ron Paul. | ||
| Totally. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's totally more believable if it's anybody else. | ||
| But when it's Trump, it's like... | ||
| Guys, it is too obvious. | ||
| You can't launder this. | ||
| This is insane. | ||
| I get what you're doing with the demon stuff and it's fun. | ||
| Totally get it. | ||
| Totally get it. | ||
| Everybody's like, no, no, no. | ||
| We would be on board. | ||
| So, also, here's the issue, too. | ||
| No one worships any of the stuff that Tucker is whining about here. | ||
| Ironically, all of those things that he brings up are issues that Tucker's on the side that opposes self-ownership and autonomy about, like euthanasia and reproductive health care. | ||
| The reason he has to pretend that people support those things because they love death is that if he didn't, he'd have to deal with the issues like a rational adult and he couldn't maintain his positions. | ||
| It's impossible for him to justify the state telling you that you don't have the right to end your own life on your own terms and simultaneously pretend that he's so mad about the government controlling your life. | ||
| Yeah, it does feel like once you start calling for a theocracy... | ||
| But then, like, the trick is, even if you don't call for a theocracy, but you purely base everything on theology, then you're never held accountable to either. | ||
| You're never held accountable to what should the law be, or, like, okay, okay, fine, we're doing your theology. | ||
| Are we doing your theology? | ||
| Hold yourself accountable to that. | ||
| They never have to do either. | ||
| Yeah, it makes me think of, a little bit later, Tucker says, like, I'm not a politics guy, I'm an ideologue. | ||
| It's like, go fuck yourself, dipshit. | ||
| Everything you're talking about is politics. | ||
| You hosted Crossfire. | ||
| Actually... | ||
| Shut the fuck up. | ||
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Dweeb. | |
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| So, on the subject of reveling in violence, Alex remembers the story that he always tells about Richard Pearl. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The Merchant of Death. | ||
| The Merchant of Death. | ||
| Something of Death. | ||
| Angel of Death? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Anyway, that guy... | ||
| Fun fact. | ||
| Maybe friends with Tucker. | ||
| Sure! | ||
| I've got a quick story and I've got to go on this. | ||
| A few more questions. | ||
| I remember it was a New York Times article. | ||
| It was a Washington Post back in the middle of the second Gulf War. | ||
| It was like 2006 or so. | ||
| And Richard Pearl, they call him the Prince of Darkness. | ||
| 400 pounds. | ||
| Can't even find his ass both hands. | ||
| Definitely can't get a woman. | ||
| Sidles up, back in the New York Times, I still tell the truth occasionally, to a bunch of gorgeous female reporters, and they ignore him, and he goes, don't you know who I am? | ||
| And he says, I kill a lot of people. | ||
| They went, ugh. | ||
| I mean, imagine, like, ugh. | ||
| The job is, I kill a lot of people. | ||
| And Obama, you know, I'm really good at killing people with Predator drones. | ||
| And the guy probably couldn't win a fistfight. | ||
| There's something inherently sick and twisted and also stunted about that. | ||
| Oh, I remember Paul Wolfowitz very, very well early in the War on Terror, the G-Watt, showing up in some country that had supposedly some Islamist militia who was going to go to the scene, and he was carrying in a shoulder holster, a.45, a 1911-style handgun, and I was like, which I shoot for fun, and I'm like, wow, that's a.45. | ||
| Does Paul Wolfowitz know what the bullet comes out of? | ||
| And I remember thinking, he doesn't need that. | ||
| He just turns him on to dress up like a cowboy or a beach garden by Blackwater. | ||
| No, a hundred percent. | ||
| This is all a lot of fun for them, I'm sure, but this conversation is pretty fucking stupid in context. | ||
| Alex has done multiple shows with a giant gun on his desk and frequently discusses weapons in highly erotic terms. | ||
| If Tucker really has a problem with people sensualizing violence or guns, he's sitting next to... | ||
| Possibly the biggest offender in that realm? | ||
| Plus, I know that Alex only half remembers this story that he loves to tell about Richard Pearl, but does he not remember that Tucker was a huge advocate for the Bush administration? | ||
| Like, on November 11, 2001, Tucker was hosting Crossfire, and Richard Pearl was his guest. | ||
| Pearl was asked where the U.S. should attack after Afghanistan in order to further the war on terror. | ||
| Pearl replied, quote, my candidate is a rock because Saddam Hussein is very dangerous. | ||
| He has weapons of mass destruction that he's used in the past. | ||
| Tucker replied, quote, it seems to me that the case for taking out Saddam Hussein is pretty straightforward. | ||
| He has, as Mr. Pearl said, weapons of mass destruction. | ||
| We know he would like to use them against us. | ||
| Why wait until he does? | ||
| Consider it this way. | ||
| If you had a neighbor who was heavily armed, a gun nut, and he was making threats against you, and you called the police and said, my heavily armed neighbor is making threats against me, they wouldn't say, well, he's popular with the other neighbors. | ||
| We're going to leave him there. | ||
| No, they would arrest him immediately. | ||
| They would take preemptive action. | ||
| Why shouldn't we do the same with Saddam? | ||
| The other guest on the show was suggesting that we take a more cautious approach, to which Pearl said, Tucker's response, Get him before he gets us. | ||
| Well expressed by Mr. Pearl. | ||
| I think it was put another way, even more profoundly, by Donald Rumsfeld earlier today. | ||
| Later in the episode, Tucker and his co-host Bill Press were arguing about preemptively killing terrorists. | ||
| Press felt that even terrorists deserved a day in court, which Tucker was super against. | ||
| Discussing the prospect of trying bin Laden in court, Tucker said, At what cost? | ||
| He goes to trial, the jurors are killed, people are kidnapped, more terrorist acts are committed in the name of freeing him. | ||
| He has a platform for spewing his garbage for months, if not years. | ||
| It's ludicrous. | ||
| He doesn't deserve a protection. | ||
| He doesn't deserve a jury trial or protection of our Constitution. | ||
| Press replied, quote, You know what the cost is? | ||
| The cost is we show the world who we are. | ||
| We show the world that we have a system of justice that depends on evidence. | ||
| Tucker said, Tucker was compatriots with Richard Perle, and he argued for the war on terror with a passion that he would now probably call bloodlust. | ||
| And then, when it didn't go well, he changed his mind. | ||
| By 2004, he told the New York Observer, quote, So smart. | ||
| Even in his backpedaling about his fervent cheerleading for war, he has to insist that secretly, deep down, he was actually right about this whole thing. | ||
| He was only wrong because he listened to this smart friend of his. | ||
| See, it turns out that not only was he right all along, despite... | ||
| Right. | ||
| Right. | ||
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Embarrassingly in public. | |
| And not just that, but the person that he was looking to as somebody who is smarter is actually now dumber than him also. | ||
| So not only is he right all along and morally righteous despite having done all of the terrible things. | ||
| It's so good. | ||
| He's also coming out the smartest man in this whole thing. | ||
| It's so wild how great that is. | ||
| Who would have thought? | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| If you are opposed to a global war and supported aggressively in the media because some smart friend of yours told you to, you're a fucking idiot and you shouldn't be trusted. | ||
| If you're actually for the war and were for the war, but realize that now it's unpopular to have had that position, so you come put the story about how some smart friend... | ||
| convinced you to support it aggressively in the media, you're a fucking coward, and I don't care. | ||
| You're just a dumb shit. | ||
| Yep. | ||
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| creating a private army for Trump. | ||
| These two dudes are so full of shit that they can't even stay connected to the reality that they've created for themselves to play in. | ||
| It's ridiculous. | ||
| Yeah, it's not fair. | ||
| No! | ||
| It's cheating. | ||
| Frankly, it's cheating. | ||
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What? | |
| It is so much like, man, it is... | ||
| Sometimes whenever I listen to this, this is like, oh god, if we had just held... | ||
| No teams. | ||
| Just hold everybody accountable for Iraq. | ||
| Just everybody. | ||
| I don't even care if they were involved. | ||
| Everybody. | ||
| The whole place. | ||
| You name it. | ||
| Where are we? | ||
| The Veterans Hall. | ||
| Hold them accountable for Iraq. | ||
| Where are we? | ||
| The bowling alley. | ||
| Hold them accountable for Iraq! | ||
| I don't even know who! | ||
| You bowled too well on 9-11? | ||
| Exactly! | ||
| They hated us for our... | ||
| Freedoms to knock them down. | ||
| They hated us for our pitcher specials. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| But it is just like, this is what happens when you don't hold anybody accountable for this shit. | ||
| Like, he gets to get away with being on every side and still getting paid for it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And now we're here. | ||
| I think that there is a point to that. | ||
| And I think also there is a problem of accountability. | ||
| And that is that Tucker's not taking accountability for what he engaged in during the war. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He is pretending that, oh. | ||
| I've taken, you know, I was wrong, you know, like that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's nominally, on the surface, it presents as if it's a correction. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But he's still like, when he turned around, he was blaming some smart friend for convincing him. | ||
| This is not accountability. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| It's dodging that in the name of saving the brand. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And that's just awful. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, Tucker talks about how the media wanted to ask him about his tour. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And he made some jokes. | ||
| Oh, did he? | ||
| He's a jokester. | ||
| He's a funny guy. | ||
| He's so funny. | ||
| I actually got a text today from Jeremy Barr at the Washington Post when he was in Politico before. | ||
| I read the Washington Post in high school, you know, every day. | ||
| 1985, I was reading the Washington Post. | ||
| And the Washington Post is just, like, so discredited and totally irrelevant, owned by the richest man in the world, Jeff Bezos. | ||
| And he texted me, and he's like, I've been following your tour. | ||
| I went to a couple stops. | ||
| Do you have comment on your tour? | ||
| And I said, yeah, I mean, my goal is world domination and stripping basic human rights from the trans community. | ||
| Like, that's why I'm here. | ||
| And I just said that to him. | ||
| I was like, please quote me. | ||
| He's like, I just don't care. | ||
| I'm going to write that anyway. | ||
| I might as well tell him. | ||
| Yep, the point is global fascists take over and the elimination of the basic human rights of the trans community because they think that. | ||
| I don't care what they think. | ||
| I'm not trying to win them over. | ||
| And I guess my advice to politicians would be follow suit. | ||
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Mock them. | |
| It doesn't matter what you say. | ||
| They're going to write the same piece. | ||
| No one's going to read it. | ||
| The people who hate you already hate you. | ||
| The people who are open-minded wouldn't read the Washington Post on a dare because they know it's a joke. | ||
| And so don't give them respect. | ||
| Hoist the middle finger at every possible opportunity. | ||
| Or more effective, just laugh at them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because the only relevance they have is the relevance we give them. | ||
| I don't say that from a power trip position. | ||
| That's why they want to censor us and put us in jail. | ||
| So why would you ever feed them what they want, which is respect or deference or fear? | ||
| They want you to fear them? | ||
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Hey, Jeremy Barth, the Washington Post, I don't care what you think. | |
| I stopped responding five or six years ago, because every time I did, they just acted like they talked to me to build some fantasy. | ||
| Well, why not just say, my goal... | ||
| By the way... | ||
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Just for the record, I don't like power. | |
| I don't want power. | ||
| I don't like anyone or trust anyone who wants power. | ||
| So that's my view of power. | ||
| Sure thing, man. | ||
| So I get what Tucker's going for here, but he sounds like a fucking dweeb. | ||
| The point is supposed to be that the media is hysterical that he wants to attack trans rights, so it doesn't matter what he actually says to them. | ||
| That's what they're going to say no matter what. | ||
| The problem is that Tucker actually does want to restrict trans rights, and most of the stuff the media accuses him of supporting is stuff he very loudly and clearly supports. | ||
| When he tells a reporter that his tour is about restricting trans rights, that's not a joke. | ||
| It's not like all that the tour is about, and he definitely wants to hurt other people too, but telling this reporter that, it's not making a joke out of the media's hysterical picture of Tucker. | ||
| What it is, is Tucker encouraging people to just speak freely. | ||
| Stop hiding your bigotry because you're worried that the media will rightly characterize it. | ||
| It doesn't matter anymore because shame is dead. | ||
| Tucker is right, but he's lying about his intentions because he wants to sound cool. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, the joke is how toothless they are. | ||
| The joke is like, yeah, that's exactly what I am going to do. | ||
| Write it. | ||
| You think that when you write it and you tell people, you will be able to have an effect on me, and you have failed in that, and you refuse to acknowledge it, so you're a waste. | ||
| You're useless. | ||
| You're a waste. | ||
| Which is right. | ||
| It's kind of the... | ||
| Warped version of people being like, yeah, we worship the devil. | ||
| Whenever they were into metal. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| But like, they're into worshipping the devil. | ||
| If they were, that would be this. | ||
| But most of them weren't. | ||
| We fucking murder people. | ||
| Well, yeah, but you do murder people. | ||
| Yeah, but we murder people. | ||
| That's not a joke, but we murder people. | ||
| No! | ||
| Aren't you people so extreme with your characterizations of us as murderers? | ||
| Also, we murder people. | ||
| No, but I mean, the thing that's funny is that... | ||
| The joke is, what are you gonna do about it? | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| No, yeah, that is the subtext of Tucker's joke. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Is, what if I just yelled the N-word on stage? | ||
| It gives a shit. | ||
| What are you gonna do about it? | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Loser. | ||
| So, trans people apparently are possessed. | ||
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Sure. | |
| And they feel really bad for them. | ||
| The trans people, it's like some weird thing. | ||
| They just made up. | ||
| Like the amount of time I spend during an average day worrying about the trans community. | ||
| You know, I feel sorry for those people. | ||
| What they're doing is not making it up. | ||
| They're victims of the cult. | ||
| They are. | ||
| They're possessed. | ||
| Let me just say one last thing, if you don't mind. | ||
| Please. | ||
| So we're doing this event in the biggest stadium in this part of Pennsylvania tonight with Alex Jones on the bill. | ||
| And I will say... | ||
| Can't imagine why they had a difficult time finding a venue, these shitheads. | ||
| So the Santander Arena is where this took place, and it's the 32nd largest arena in Pennsylvania. | ||
| It's not the largest in the area. | ||
| Allentown is about 40 minutes away, and they have the PPL Center that seats about 3,000 more people. | ||
| Some of those bigger stadiums that, you know, the 31 bigger ones are sports exclusive venues, so you can't really include those in this tally. | ||
| But Santander Arena in Reading, Pennsylvania, if that's your first choice and you're Tucker, something is wrong. | ||
| The image is that he's much bigger than this. | ||
| If you're having Alex Jones on, why the fuck isn't it somewhere in Texas? | ||
| He has zero connection to Pennsylvania, and it really screams of this is the only place that said yes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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All of that is fine. | |
| They're oppressed and times are hard for people who yell about how trans people are possessed. | ||
| I think Santander Arena is a fine venue, but the problem is that they definitely didn't sell it out. | ||
| If you're going to do a show at a 7,000 seat arena in a B slash C market when you're Tucker Carlson and your guest is Alex Jones, you better sell that thing out. | ||
| We couldn't fill an arena if our lives depended on it, but for Tucker, it's embarrassing. | ||
| Like, it was notable. | ||
| I think... | ||
| If our lives depended on it, we could fill an arena, but only under those circumstances. | ||
| At great expense to ourselves, because we'd have to wrangle people to come in for free or something like that. | ||
| If we are under threat of murder, we have a show, but if it doesn't sell out by the beginning of it, our heads will be cut off. | ||
| That was kind of the premise of a show I did when I first moved to Chicago. | ||
| I got a bar to agree to let me do a show. | ||
| And they said that you can do it if you bring in $1,000. | ||
| In bar sales the first night. | ||
| Whoa! | ||
| And so I called it the $1,000 company show. | ||
| Nice! | ||
| Nice! | ||
| How did it go? | ||
| Did not hit that mark. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| But we did get a couple hundred dollars in bar sales. | ||
| Damn! | ||
| And so when I talked to the bar owner afterwards, or like the next day, I was like, hey, did we make the mark? | ||
| Are we going to be able to do a second one? | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| He pretended he had no idea what I was talking about. | ||
| Never heard of you before in my life. | ||
| Never met you, kid. | ||
| Really just tried to put a fight. | ||
| Get out of here! | ||
| No, he was fine with us doing more. | ||
| He pretended that he never... | ||
| Said the $1,000 thing. | ||
| That's smart. | ||
| He's really just trying to light a fire under me. | ||
| That's smart. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Motivation's motivation. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| That show did not work out. | ||
| So they didn't sell out. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But Tucker says that they did. | ||
| You know, we had a little trouble finding a venue. | ||
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We were like, oh, sure. | |
| It's so scary. | ||
| Sold it out, like, immediately. | ||
| And I don't think that anybody tonight at that event... | ||
| We'll think, wow, Alex Jones is crazy. | ||
| But no, Alex Jones is way ahead of his time. | ||
| There's not anything, I'm just guessing, that you're going to say tonight that is particularly radical or far off the mark or not sort of obvious at this point. | ||
| You were way ahead of your time, decades ahead of your time. | ||
| I think you deserve credit for that, just on fairness grounds, and I am determined that you get it. | ||
| Fairness grounds. | ||
| Yeah, he feels bad that Alex hasn't been given a fair shake. | ||
| Fairness Grounds, no, I get it. | ||
| Fairness Grounds, yeah. | ||
| What a big man. | ||
| Fairness Grounds! | ||
| No, Fairness Grounds! | ||
| So Tucker's absolutely lying about selling out the show, let alone selling it out immediately. | ||
| I checked the site the night before the show, and there's still hundreds of seats available. | ||
| And it's not resale tickets, either. | ||
| These were first-time purchase tickets. | ||
| Yeah, there are probably 700 or so empty seats, which isn't awful, but that's like 10% of the venue. | ||
| As for whether or not anyone walked away from the event thinking Alex said some crazy stuff, that's anyone's guess. | ||
| When I got back to my hotel, I did overhear three people talking next to the elevators, and I didn't eavesdrop on them long, but what I heard was one of them saying they had no idea what Alex was talking about, and that you kind of just have to convince yourself to believe him because he has so much deep information in his head that it's driven him to That's anyone's guess. | ||
| I suspect that there were a fair amount of people rationalizing his performance that way, but that was the only review that I got from a random person. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| Give in! | ||
| Give in! | ||
| Subsume yourself! | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Prophets would sound crazy, totally. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| All right, man. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I suppose abolish all responsibility for everyone. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Said too many things for me to fact check, so I'm just going to be like, hmm. | ||
| I do. | ||
| I mean, it's a good lie, though. | ||
| It's a good lie if you're Tucker, because that is the thing that the WAPO people will do. | ||
| Like, for Tucker, you just say, ah, we sold it out immediately. | ||
| Because it sounds like maybe he could. | ||
| It sounds like maybe it'd be reasonable for him to. | ||
| So that's one of those things where it's like, you can't fact-check 100% of everything. | ||
| So then the writer at the WAPO will be like, ah, I'll cut this corner, and he'll just write, sold it out immediately. | ||
| And that's a good perception to spread. | ||
| And I don't want to be a dick about this. | ||
| Like, there were a lot of people there. | ||
| I'm not trying to shit on that front. | ||
| And I think that it's entirely possible that Tucker would have no idea what the ticket sales were entirely. | ||
| Someone could have told him that they sold out or whatever. | ||
| Some aide might have told him that. | ||
| So I don't know. | ||
| I don't know if he's intentionally lying or if it's just a lie. | ||
| Based on him not having the information. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, that's convenient. | ||
| And it doesn't matter to him. | ||
| What does it matter? | ||
| What matters is the perception that people think he sells it out, right? | ||
| I don't think any of his shows have sold out. | ||
| Yeah, it doesn't matter if he makes that. | ||
| But when we sell a show out, it's like... | ||
| That's... | ||
| We also will choose a venue that's within our range. | ||
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| So anyway, I mentioned earlier that Tucker's not political. | ||
| He's ideological. | ||
| He's ideological. | ||
| And this is where that comes up. | ||
| Completely different. | ||
| What do you think will happen? | ||
| This is a big question, so I'm really out of time. | ||
| If they still elect Trump? | ||
| I mean, I don't know. | ||
| You know, I have a lot of theories about that. | ||
| Usually, again, my political predictions are wrong because my brain is not very political and ideological. | ||
| So I usually get it wrong. | ||
| I just keep going back to what I believe, and that is that I have two duties, that we all have two duties. | ||
| And the first is to fight as hard as we can, nonviolently, for what we think is true. | ||
| Tell the truth. | ||
| Inspire others to tell the truth. | ||
| Be brave. | ||
| Okay, that's our first duty. | ||
| And our second duty is to be hopeful. | ||
| Faith, hope, and love. | ||
| Like, we're required to be hopeful. | ||
| And they want to make us despondent. | ||
| They want to humiliate us and make us feel hopeless. | ||
| That's why they put, like, a retard in as the president's spokeswoman. | ||
| You know, so we can look at her and be like, oh, this country sucks. | ||
| It's not even worth defending. | ||
| Katrina Jean-Pierre! | ||
| Like, if she's the spokesman, clearly none of this is worth it. | ||
| By the way, I've got to say this. | ||
| I know you know this. | ||
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| Because he's well-read. | ||
| And most of you are, too. | ||
| But I'm going to dig it up. | ||
| I'm going to read a Bloomberg article about 15 years ago. | ||
| There's been some others. | ||
| We are discrediting nation states. | ||
| with our agenda and our control, and then it's going to demonize the nation state. | ||
| Without all falls, we'll get full control. | ||
| So they're literally running our countries and knowing we're going to blame our governments and have basically cultural civil wars, and then they come in and pick up the pieces Well, it's so obvious. | ||
| I walked down the street of the city, Oregon, which is a really pretty little city, totally defiled and degraded by its leaders' garbage all over the street. | ||
| This is all blowhard nonsense from Tucker that sounds good but doesn't actually translate to any real duties. | ||
| If he had a duty to tell the truth, he would have a duty to learn more about the people he's promoting as great leaders and truth-tellers, and he would have an obligation to never speak to Alex again. | ||
| If he had a duty to the truth, he would watch a little more of Alex's show to determine whether he's actually a prophet or if his team is just pretty good at selectively editing the thousands of hours he rambles on air. | ||
| I have no idea exactly what article Alex is talking about here in Bloomberg, but I'm guessing it's an opinion piece probably about how technocrat-style leaders were appointed in Italy and Greece in 2011 as the countries tried to deal with the fallout of the financial crisis of 2008-2009. | ||
| I think it's probably this. | ||
| There were articles in Time magazine with headlines like, quote, Who, What, Why? | ||
| What can technocrats achieve that politicians can't? | ||
| These op-eds were exploring the pros and cons of a more technocratic leadership. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I can find reach the conclusion that it's a mixed bag. | ||
| Who would have guessed? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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So Alex says this article from Bloomberg is 15 years ago, so I don't know exactly what he's talking about. | |
| In 2017, they published an article titled, quote, Why Some Nations Are Warming to Technocracy, which covered a new survey from the Pew Research Center and discussed its findings. | ||
| That headline could lead someone to think that they're somewhat warm or neutral about technocrats, so you could get the idea that that reflects the editorial tone at Bloomberg. | ||
| But then, in 2018, they published a piece titled, quote, We Need to Stop Giving Technocrats So Much Power, which is an article about recent comments made by a former Bank of England official named Paul Tucker. | ||
| It was critical of technocratic leadership and argued in favor of more regulation, so maybe these publications are just posting things that if you take the headline out of, you can't characterize correctly. | ||
| Maybe Alex is an idiot. | ||
| That could be. | ||
| So anyway, you've got duties. | ||
| So here's what I was thinking while Tucker was talking. | ||
| I respect duties. | ||
| Everybody has duties to do. | ||
| I walked past the duty-free shop when I was in the airport. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| I understand that. | ||
| I was thinking about how, like, rich sons during the, like, you know, 14 to 1700s would often find themselves captaining a boat. | ||
| You know, if you were rich, then you'd get a boat, and the boat would be how you got richer. | ||
| You know, you shipped places and you did stuff. | ||
| Makes sense, right? | ||
| And then all the stories written about mutinies were always like, ah, the mutineers were so mean to the... | ||
| Captain, who is such a good guy. | ||
| Super cool. | ||
| And I was like, nobody who mutinied could read or write. | ||
| So it's odd that all these stories are from a very anti-mutineer perspective. | ||
| Almost as though they were written by rich sons. | ||
| A lot of them. | ||
| Doesn't relate. | ||
| I just think Tucker would be thrown off of one of those boats, is what I'm trying to say, is that if Tucker was in the 1500s, he would be in the ocean. | ||
| He gives me that shitty laugh one time. | ||
| Oh, you're in the ocean, son. | ||
| You're getting wet, buddy. | ||
| K-mutiny, my man. | ||
| It makes me think, so when I looked at myself in the mirror with this handlebar mustache, the first thing that came to mind was Diedrich Bader in Office Space. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember. | ||
| It was like, yeah. | ||
| Tucker on that boat would be like, I reckon you get your ass kicked. | ||
| You ask somebody if they have a case for the Mondays. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| You bet. | ||
| You're going overboard. | ||
| Wrong spot. | ||
| Wrong spot to do this. | ||
| Do you have a duty to fight as hard as you can and to have some hope? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then I guess also a duty to be cheerful, which is, I guess you whistle while you work or something like that. | ||
| I mean, hey. | ||
| Your duty? | ||
| Is to be hopeful. | ||
| That's your duty. | ||
| It's not just like some side benefit of good news. | ||
| It's like you're required to wake up every morning and determined to be hopeful and cheerful because you know how it ends, which is in a great way. | ||
| So I'm not going to be deterred from hope no matter what they do, no matter how many retards they put in as the politician spokesman or how much garbage they allow to accumulate on the street. | ||
| That was the slur jar notification. | ||
| The CIA, the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s wasn't classified in the 90s. | ||
| Look this up. | ||
| Look up CIA-funded ugly art, CIA-funded ugly architecture, and it's actually in plans to have garbage and filth and not enforce stuff on low-level criminals to create ugliness, and then that debilitates the mind, and then you accept higher forms of tyranny. | ||
| Same thing in Europe. | ||
| This is a formula. | ||
| Of course it's a formula, but they're not going to break my spirit. | ||
| I don't care what they do to me. | ||
| What a hero. | ||
| So Alex is making all this up, but it's based on a real thing where the CIA promoted abstract expressionist painting in the United States as part of the Cold War. | ||
| They believed that homegrown artistic movements were a powerful propaganda tool, essentially making the argument that the Soviet Union was stagnant, it was uncreative, and the system wasn't artistically alive. | ||
| We've talked about this in greater depth in the past, but essentially there was an office called the International Organizations Division that sponsored American art like some... | ||
| jazz artists and the Boston Symphony Orchestra. | ||
| They also promoted abstract expressionism, which Alex has decided to mean that they wanted to force ugly art on the public to make them spiritually weak. | ||
| It's all very stupid, but it's based on a twisting of a real fairly strange thing that actually happened. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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So like if you just kind of do a surface level Google on this, you'll probably be like, Yeah. | |
| I like the idea. | ||
| Tucker should know better. | ||
| His dad worked for Voice of America. | ||
| I like the idea of the intelligence services having a real clear understanding of the art world and appreciation therein. | ||
| You know, like, aha! | ||
| Well, we can't just tell people what's good-looking art and what's bad-looking art, so we gotta go to Terry over here, the CIA's resident art specialist, who's like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no! | ||
| Get that motherfucker, man! | ||
| Go out of here! | ||
| I don't need any of this shit! | ||
| I was reading an article about this, and it did make the point that at the time, the people who would have been in these offices in the CIA were largely rich people's kids who went to Ivy League schools. | ||
| People who get tossed off of a boat? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, idle rich types who are the people who... | ||
| Care a ton about art. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A lot of it. | ||
| Just insane. | ||
| So maybe they did have an over-representation of people who had strong opinions about paintings. | ||
| It would not surprise me. | ||
| It really would not surprise me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So anyway, Tucker knows better than all this. | ||
| He's just letting Alex run. | ||
| But he does say something that I thought was pretty powerful. | ||
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Okay. | |
| And that is that he's not going to let his emotions be controlled by the media. | ||
| They're just tiny little reptiles. | ||
| Like, I just have no respect whatsoever for the Jeremy Barr, the Washington Post, and all this stuff. | ||
| I don't have any respect for them. | ||
| And so I'm not going to control my emotions. | ||
| I am hopeful. | ||
| I have hope in greater things. | ||
| I don't care how badly you degrade the country, you're not going to turn me in to some hopeless robot, period. | ||
| TuckerCarlson.com, are you going to add more dates? | ||
| I know most of them are selling out. | ||
| People love it. | ||
| We're done. | ||
| We've got 16. We've done 11. You're 12. You finish out the dozen, and we're really grateful that you're doing it. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| But in the future, someday, if we save the country, you're going to have to do a victory turn. | ||
| Oh, yeah, and I'm going around the world after this. | ||
| All right. | ||
| All right, folks, turdgirls.com. | ||
| We'll see you at infowars.com and real Alex Jones. | ||
| There's a certain irony that Alex is directing people to Infowars and his Twitter. | ||
| Well, there's a decent chance he won't own those things in the near future. | ||
| I don't know what's going to happen with the whole liquidation auction that has been going on, but there's a non-zero chance that he loses both of those things that he's plugging. | ||
| It's funny that Tucker says that he's not going to let folks from the Washington Post control his emotions, because I think that he's super emotionally affected by the fact that the mainstream doesn't respect him, and he's had to chase down this new audience of folks like Alex. | ||
| There are a few media figures that I see that seem more emotional, Yeah. | ||
| He is... | ||
| Deeply emotional. | ||
| He's a whiny little baby. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And again, these shows didn't sell out. | ||
| The one with J.D. Vance, the GOP nominee for vice president, didn't even sell out. | ||
| It's easy to get that impression if you go to Tucker's website, because once a show is over, the website replaces the buy ticket button with one that says sold out. | ||
| But I don't know if any of these actually sold out. | ||
| We're recording this on the 26th, and tonight was supposed to be a show in Greenville, South Carolina, and it had to be canceled because Hurricane Helen. | ||
| Marjorie Taylor Greene was supposed to be on tonight. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It got canceled. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The last show of the tour is Saturday in Jacksonville with Donald Trump Jr. and there's still a ton of tickets available for that. | ||
| This whole act that Alex and Tucker are doing doesn't work unless they pretend everything is sold out, which is why it's funny. | ||
| If they would just play slightly, smaller venues, they could easily sell them out, but their egos don't allow that. | ||
| So they swing for the fences and then leave a bunch of seats empty. | ||
| Instead of accepting reality, they march forward, pretending they're at capacity and turning away thousands of people at the door because they're just that popular. | ||
| And it's very funny. | ||
| It's weak. | ||
| You know, the Black Keys had the gumption to just cancel the tour and be like, you know what? | ||
| We really fucking miscalculated on this one. | ||
| Our bad. | ||
| Our bad! | ||
| Our bad. | ||
| Well, you know what? | ||
| We'll redo this. | ||
| We'll kind of regroup. | ||
| There's a quiet dignity in that. | ||
| Then we'll go forward. | ||
| We are not going to play to half-empty arenas because that's somehow sadder than playing to five people in a fucking birthday party. | ||
| And I don't know about the other dates on this tour. | ||
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Sure. | |
| But that was not the case with this. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| It was not so empty that you felt the emptiness. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Or that, like, there was a reverb effect. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| The sound bouncing off walls. | ||
| Those are dark. | ||
| But it was not full. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Definitely. | ||
| So, this is the end of the interview that they did in their hotel. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so this is where we'll sort of dive into the experience of this whole thing. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So I flew into Allentown and then got to the show. | ||
| And, yeah, I don't know, man. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| How long... | ||
| How long did you have to say? | ||
| So you texted me around like five, something like that, saying we were in line. | ||
| You in front of the show, Amanda, I assume. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How long were you in line for to get in? | ||
| Well, it was interesting because the line was pretty long. | ||
| It was like you had to walk quite a ways to get to the end of the line. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But once the doors opened, it was moving pretty smoothly. | ||
| Like it wasn't that terrible. | ||
| It looked awful. | ||
| It looked awful. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It looked... | ||
| Disorganized, and people were just all over the place. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| The line had a chaoticness to it. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But it did end up being managed kind of okay. | ||
| I was overhearing conversations while I was in the line. | ||
| Some of them were pretty scary. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Kind of involved how demons were coming after the children. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| There were people that were trying to register people to vote in the line, but I didn't see anybody take them up on it. | ||
| So, like, it was... | ||
| Scary, kind of the idea that this is a voting drive, but then no one was signing up that I saw. | ||
| But one lady did thank them for doing it. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| That was fun. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It felt insane, but normal, you know? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| You were in Crazy Town, and it turns out Crazy Town is fine. | ||
| It's just that the walls are all pink and the sky is made of jelly beans. | ||
| It's fine. | ||
| There were tons of InfoWars shirts. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That is definitely true. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I mean, if there were ever going to be InfoWars shirts anywhere in Pennsylvania, that would be the place. | ||
| It was shocking. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I sometimes, because I listen to his show, lose sight of the fact that people like him. | ||
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Right. | |
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| I kind of was sitting there with this many fucking InfoWars shirts, and these people probably don't live in Reading. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So if Alex did end up in an airport, I could see three people hugging him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That kind of story that he tells. | ||
| I don't believe there's a person who's insulting him and then starts crying because everyone loves him so much. | ||
| That part of the story is bullshit. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| But I could see Alex getting mobbed. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| By folks? | ||
| Yeah, because nobody's from there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Nobody's going back home. | ||
| They're going to where they were when they got here. | ||
| Yeah, a few people. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I could see him ending up running into a bunch of fans at a hotel or something. | ||
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Right. | |
| Because it's Redding. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But also, I think he stayed in Lancaster, so he probably drove out of town. | ||
| Right, because he doesn't want to see any of those people. | ||
| Secret location! | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, we get in to the venue, and it's fine. | ||
| One of the things I noticed was there was a lot of concessions, which was very exciting for me. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| As soon as I got in there, and I was like, this is boring. | ||
| I was like, I'm gonna eat so much shit. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| So I ended up getting a big pretzel. | ||
| And then I accidentally knocked over my Diet Coke, and I felt really bad, so that stopped me from getting more food. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| This is something that concerns me. | ||
| This is something that concerns me. | ||
| I had not really and genuinely considered the idea of, like, going to a fucking... | ||
| What would it be? | ||
| Lindbergh rally in like 1931. | ||
| And them selling fucking pretzels. | ||
| Well, it's being held at, like, a minor league hockey stadium. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely! | ||
| There's a nacho stand. | ||
| No, halfway through, they're giving away tickets for the next game. | ||
| No, it's all there. | ||
| It all makes sense, but then you've got it wrapped around, like, and then we gotta get rid of the, you know, and you're like, wait, what? | ||
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No! | |
| Back in the day, I would have been so excited by how many bars there were, essentially. | ||
| You could have gotten so many beers all over the place. | ||
| But instead, I was like, fucking pretzel, very exciting. | ||
| I was very sad when Amanda went to go get some funnel cake and came back with the news that there were no funnel cakes. | ||
| No! | ||
| Yeah, that was a real blow. | ||
| Is that specific to this show or the venue entirely? | ||
| They might have run out. | ||
| I didn't probe for details. | ||
| Running out of funnel cake batter. | ||
| That was where the night took a turn. | ||
| This is how it is in reading. | ||
| Terrible. | ||
| So we're in there, and... | ||
| One of the things that I noticed was they talk a lot about how they're independent and you don't have these corporate sponsors. | ||
| But they did. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They were just weird. | ||
| There was like... | ||
| Moms for America is a sponsor of the tour. | ||
| Parler, the social media site. | ||
| There was a NyQuil knockoff that had antihistamine in it. | ||
| Make you drowsy. | ||
| Make you sleep. | ||
| Make America sleep great again. | ||
| I wish that we could just sell straight out purple drink. | ||
| Just fucking let's go. | ||
| I mean, it might as well be Z-Quil or whatever. | ||
| Yeah, let's just do it. | ||
| And there's a guy named Joe from Texas. | ||
| Joe from Texas. | ||
| I assume he's running for office. | ||
| Or is he just Joe from Texas? | ||
| He might be. | ||
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You know what? | |
| I realized that I meant to look into who he was, and I don't care. | ||
| You can't. | ||
| He's just Joe from Texas. | ||
| He could be any number of Joes from Texas. | ||
| What if it is all of the Joes of Texas together saying one thing? | ||
| He had a crazy bushy gray mustache and a cowboy hat. | ||
| Of course he did. | ||
| Of course he did. | ||
| He was a hit. | ||
| Also, Tucker played a commercial promoting his new nicotine pouch brand. | ||
| What? | ||
| Yeah, he has a nicotine pouch. | ||
| Wait, wait, what? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He has a nicotine pouch brand? | ||
| It's called ALP. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| And apparently it's the manly alternative to the cuck brand he used to promote called Zinn. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| They refused to partner with him, so he threw a fit and pretended that they supported the Harris campaign, even though the company that runs Zinn, which is a Swedish match North America, which is a subsidiary of Philip Morris International, gave more to federal GOP candidates at a rate of 70 to 30 percent. | ||
| He's just pretending to be mad. | ||
| It's the cigarette murdering company of our entire lives. | ||
| They're on the side. | ||
| If anybody worshipped death, it is literally Philip Morris. | ||
| They snubbed Tucker, so he decided they were too weak for him. | ||
| He said, quote, I'm embarrassed to say it, but it's made by a huge company, huge donors to Kamala Harris. | ||
| I'm not going to use that brand anymore. | ||
| I mean, I think it's fine for, like, your girlfriend or whatever, but I don't think men should use that brand. | ||
| It's that easy. | ||
| It's that easy. | ||
| It's that easy, baby. | ||
| There's no evidence that the company is a huge Harris donor, but that was something that Tucker smeared them with to his audience in hope of stealing away part of the market for his own brand. | ||
| He's a total loser, and this whole thing is embarrassingly transparent, and he's selling nicotine pouches. | ||
| So, cool. | ||
| And he played a commercial for it, and I get that there's supposed to be some kind of humor in being like... | ||
| This is what men do. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But it wasn't funny. | ||
| The audience didn't laugh at it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It just, it felt like a parody that is also serious. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like he meant it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know? | ||
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Well. | |
| This is sincere marketing. | ||
| It's not like. | ||
| No, but this one makes sense. | ||
| It's not a parody of Budweiser commercials that are like, you know, full of. | ||
| See, but this one makes sense because this is the, this is where this brain exists right now. | ||
| It is aware enough to know that that should be ironically enjoyed, the idea of requiring a product to reinforce your manliness, right? | ||
| It is not however ironic to do so for this brain. | ||
| So the brain is trapped in a space of like, well, obviously it's funny that we're talking about how it's men that do this. | ||
| And you're weak if you get zin, you're a woman. | ||
| But also I will only buy products that are branded for men. | ||
| I will do both. | ||
| I will know that it's stupid and I will still buy it. | ||
| You have and are creating the anxiety around masculinity in order to sell this product. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| You're also trying to make a joke out of that sort of, but I don't think you are. | ||
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Yep. | |
| It's very strange. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| And I just think it's weird that... | ||
| I understand that Tucker is a well-known nicotine user. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| He's talked about that a ton. | ||
| He's promoted Zin a ton in the past. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure, sure. | ||
| Just not for money. | ||
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Right. | |
| And when he tried to get money from them, they said no, and he's like, I'll do my own thing. | ||
| But it is still just weird that he has a sort of tobacco replacement brand. | ||
| I mean, yeah. | ||
| It doesn't feel right for him. | ||
| He should be more... | ||
| No. | ||
| Moral than this, based on the way he pretends to act. | ||
| I mean, or the Marlboro Man. | ||
| Like, one or the other. | ||
| You can't go, like, I'm a good person, and also, no. | ||
| I sell this product that's addictive, and I'm using fears about masculinity in order to sell it to children. | ||
| No. | ||
| Be the thing that gives people those fears about masculinity. | ||
| The Marlboro man was so goddamn masculine and you felt emasculated when you were standing next to him. | ||
| Simple. | ||
| Tucker can't do that shit! | ||
| What about Joe Camel? | ||
| He made me feel emasculated, but more in a turned-on-by-camels kind of way? | ||
| He was pretty smooth. | ||
| Yeah, he was. | ||
| So, like I mentioned before, the crowd was large, but it wasn't full. | ||
| Like, you could look around the arena and see pockets of empty areas, but it still felt like there was a lot of people there. | ||
| And the energy was very weird. | ||
| It was very, very weird. | ||
| Were people... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| What would I say? | ||
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Like... | |
| If I'm going to see a Cubs game, or if I've been to the United Center to see shows, bands, the whole thing. | ||
| I've been to arenas. | ||
| I'm not nine years old. | ||
| I've been to arenas. | ||
| There has always been a sense of palpable excitement and anticipation for when the performance is going to begin. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What was that like for this? | ||
| Because it doesn't feel like it would be something that you're like, oh, I'm looking forward to hearing about these people talk about how demons are going to kill me. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Well, it was confusing. | ||
| And I had to sit down and really write out some thoughts the next morning. | ||
| Because I was very confused at what I had experienced. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And part of the reason is because there's structural problems with the show. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So there was an opening act who's supposed to be a warm-up comic. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then there was like... | ||
| Half an hour of stump speeches from his sponsors. | ||
| So the warm-up act was warming up for the people to do the sponsor speeches. | ||
| And then Tucker came out. | ||
| One of his sponsors introduced him. | ||
| And so structurally, it was very weird. | ||
| And I couldn't figure out how this is supposed to work. | ||
| The energy in the crowd was... | ||
| You know when you do stand-up? | ||
| And no one's a star. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| It really is important that the host bring it up, get everyone on the same page, and then bring people around. | ||
| Turn them into a crowd. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If you have somebody who's a star on the show, it really doesn't matter. | ||
| They're there to see that person. | ||
| They're already a crowd. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You can bomb as the host, the opening act can bomb, and then they'll go nuts for the headliner because they've seen him on TV. | ||
| That's what they're for. | ||
| That's what this was. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And that energy was very strange. | ||
| With anger. | ||
| Right! | ||
| Right! | ||
| Because that's what it is not there to like I can't imagine being there thinking oh well we're here to have a good time tonight. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Well there's some people who are pretty drunk. | ||
| Right! | ||
| But even then like isn't that like I'm drinking to cope with how demons are gonna rape my face I guess. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like what are we doing? | ||
| What are you doing going to this thing? | ||
| I mean, I was there and I don't know. | ||
| Right? | ||
| I was very confused by it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Everyone seemed to be... | ||
| That's what I keep saying. | ||
| It's insane but normal. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Someone is coming out and being like, they want to murder your families. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then they're going, woo! | ||
| Right! | ||
| And I don't get it. | ||
| It doesn't seem like fun entertainment. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then, spoiler alert, in terms of Alex's entire... | ||
| presentation and appearance. | ||
| If you like Alex, he didn't say anything you've never heard before. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's all just playing the hits. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And all this. | ||
| It's a very boring, dumb appearance. | ||
| It could have been a cover band. | ||
| If you like him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And if you don't like him, I think you'd be confused by the things that he's saying. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because he won't take a fucking breath. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And is saying all kinds of nonsense stuff. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| So in terms of entertainment, I don't get... | ||
| How it would have been a pleasant experience, but it clearly was for some people. | ||
| Yeah, because if you're unfamiliar with Alex straight, no chaser, then... | ||
| No chaser, Geiser. | ||
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Nice. | |
| He was there. | ||
| I saw him. | ||
| Oh, yeah? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Did he wave? | ||
| No. | ||
| I bet if anybody would have recognized you, it would have been Chase, and I bet he would have smiled and waved. | ||
| He followed Alex out onto stage to get footage of the giant crowd from behind Alex. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Make a sizzle wheel kind of thing. | ||
| Doing the thing. | ||
| Buddy. | ||
| Cameraman action. | ||
| Chase. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, because you're about 45 minutes... | ||
| Behind any Alex conversation if you're not at all caught up. | ||
| Right? | ||
| So wherever he's talking, if you don't know the first 45 minutes, it's pure chaos. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's just chaos. | ||
| I think so. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And because I'm me... | ||
| There were, like, at least five points where I knew exactly what he was about to say. | ||
| And at one point, I just was kind of bored, and so I whispered to Amanda, like, he's about to talk about Chuck Schumer and the hamburgers and how they were raw meat. | ||
| And then he did. | ||
| Of course he did. | ||
| This is so predictable. | ||
| It's like clockwork. | ||
| It's so boring. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Oh god. | ||
| Guess what? | ||
| This is when Fish is about to play Farmhouse. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Here we go. | ||
| And there it is! | ||
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It's one million percent how that felt. | |
| And it felt dirty. | ||
| Oh, that's weird. | ||
| So let's talk about this lineup. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| At 7.30 the show begins. | ||
| And there's this guy named Jason Hewlett. | ||
| It was the opening warm-up comic. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He was doing musical impressions for 20 minutes. | ||
| It was rough. | ||
| Wow. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Wow. | ||
| So one of the things that he did was he sang Journey. | ||
| He sang Open Arms. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Come to you with open arms. | ||
| But he was doing it looking like a zombie, kind of with his arms out, because he was doing Broken Arms. | ||
| I Come to You with Broken Arms. | ||
| It was a bit. | ||
| It was a good bit. | ||
| He did an impression of the REO Speedwagon. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Because they hold their R's really long. | ||
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I can't fight this feeling anymore. | |
| That kind of thing. | ||
| So is this... | ||
| When does musical comedy begin and being a bad cover band end? | ||
| Here's the problem. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| His impressions were fine. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Like, he'd done some work on them. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So, I mean, they didn't sound terrible. | ||
| Like, I think he was a competent hand at that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There was no bits. | ||
| Nothing was funny. | ||
| All right. | ||
| There was a point where I was worried that I dosed myself. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And that was when, well, there are two moments in his act that I thought I was hallucinating. | ||
| One of them was... | ||
| That's gonna be on the, that's the bumper right there. | ||
| I thought I was hallucinating! | ||
| So he did a bit about how he could never figure out what Axl Rose's voice sounded like. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But then he realized that it was Marge Simpson, and so he starts singing Welcome to the Jungle in a serviceable Axl Rose impression. | ||
| Welcome to... | ||
| Well, that's the problem. | ||
| He's doing an Axl Rose impression and then switches to a Marge Simpson impression. | ||
| They're very different. | ||
| Yes, they are very different. | ||
| And in performing them, he's proven that they don't sound similar. | ||
| Yeah, that is an interesting thing to do. | ||
| And so I was sitting there, I was like, you have just disproven the premise of your bit. | ||
| That's fascinating. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Has anybody told him that, do you think? | ||
| I don't know, but they were fine impressions. | ||
| That's the problem. | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
| It's fine. | ||
| I mean, comedy's hard. | ||
| I can't imagine any gig I would want less. | ||
| But if I was broke enough, would take faster than this terrible gig, right? | ||
| Like, I don't want to do this. | ||
| This sounds awful. | ||
| I'm gonna bomb. | ||
| You're paying how much? | ||
| This is going to be an experience that I can tell people for the rest of my life. | ||
| I was there and I did weird shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I remember back in the day, like, if you're doing stand-up and you visit New York or something, you'll be kind of lucky if you can get up at a club doing a check set where they drop the check and no one's living. | ||
| They're all filling out their credit card slips and stuff. | ||
| And it's a thankless, awful thing, but you'll get a few bucks. | ||
| And you'll get to perform at this club. | ||
| That's kind of what he's doing. | ||
| He gets to perform in an arena, but people are filtering in, and most of them are confused, or they're like, I grew up on REO Speedwagon. | ||
| And that's the recognition that they enjoy. | ||
| The second time I was hallucinating. | ||
| He does a bit about how... | ||
| I don't exactly remember how this worked. | ||
| But he was something along the lines of how they would do autotune. | ||
| Like, how would Cher do it if there was no electricity? | ||
| Or something like that. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And so he's, like, doing... | ||
| Like, blocking... | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| He makes his voice do the... | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| By putting his hand in front of his face? | ||
| Sure, sure, sure, sure. | ||
| Amanda posted a video of this because it was just like, I don't know what the fuck is going on. | ||
| I felt like I was in another place. | ||
| There's no joke here. | ||
| He's kind of making this sound similar to the effect of auto-tuning. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| A lot of work for very little reward. | ||
| But what if, like, three years from now, it's like it comes out, the documentary, Marina Abramovich documentary comes out, and it's like, oh, he's been doing this kind of shit at weird right-wing rallies for the past three years. | ||
| Stare directly in my eyes. | ||
| That'd be an amazing documentary. | ||
| Sure, I'd watch it. | ||
| Yeah, I'd watch that. | ||
| So then he just straight-up sang Lee Greenwood. | ||
| That's always a smart move. | ||
| That's a smart move. | ||
| There's no parody. | ||
| It was just that. | ||
| That's literally how you would close the set if you were so terrible. | ||
| Hey, everybody, let's give it up for the troops. | ||
| If it was a parody of what he was doing, that's how it would end. | ||
| Yeah, it would have to, yeah. | ||
| And then he did a bunch of funny faces. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Like his lip going up. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I mean, they were good funny faces. | ||
| You know, that must have been wild. | ||
| That must have been wild seeing Jim Carrey on TV for the first time and being like, look at that face! | ||
| And that being the end of it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| It was like that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's just, you know, I think we've talked about this a little bit about magic. | ||
|
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Sure. | |
| How, like, in order to do magic, you have to really put in the time to do it, and there's something... | ||
| Kind of respect about the effort that goes into that. | ||
| This guy had some decent impressions that sounded like a variety of different singers. | ||
| True. | ||
| The face movements that he was making were pretty precise, and they involved different muscles of the face moving. | ||
| That would take practice. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| And so I felt really bad because it's not funny in the least. | ||
| There's no bits. | ||
| The show sucks. | ||
| It's awful. | ||
|
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It's confusing that it's before this Tucker Carlson show, but you've got to respect the craft a little bit. | |
| He's trying. | ||
| I can't think of anything more insulting to me personally than the idea of somebody being like, I have to compliment the mechanics of what you are doing. | ||
| He's put in some hours. | ||
| He's put in some work on this stuff. | ||
| I tip my hat. | ||
| Yeah, no, I mean, there's something to be said about that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I thought for sure he was going to do this warm-up act, and then, you know, you're going to bring on Tucker. | ||
| Straight in there. | ||
| Because that's how most shows generally work. | ||
| But then the Moms for America person came out and gave a speech. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| And everyone was kind of confused, I think. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I think they were pretty confused, but enjoyed her enough. | ||
| And then Joe from Texas came out, and he gave a speech. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And this dude was awesome. | ||
| He was awesome. | ||
| I don't know what he was talking about, but he spoke like Sam Elliott. | ||
| There was a drawl to him, a folksiness. | ||
| He was talking about how... | ||
| I'll paraphrase his story. | ||
| One day when he was a kid, he had a bike. | ||
| And he loved this bike because it represented freedom to him. | ||
| He could ride and feel the wind in his hair. | ||
| I follow along. | ||
| Some kid steals his bike. | ||
| Motherfucker. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Stole his freedom. | ||
| Yes! | ||
|
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Right? | |
| I'm now furious! | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| So he kicks the shit out of that kid. | ||
| He gets into a fight with this kid. | ||
| And I think he was saying he seriously hurt this kid. | ||
| Boy, that's the wrong lesson to teach. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And so his mom finds out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And she's like, you gotta tell your dad. | ||
| Uh, what you did. | ||
|
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Okay. | |
| Because you beat the shit out of this kid. | ||
| Alright, this story has gone a lot. | ||
| Yeah, okay. | ||
| And I think his dad is an alcoholic or something who beat him. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And so he's like, I'm gonna get beat for this. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| He's gonna kick the shit out of me because I beat up this kid and put him in the hospital. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| So he goes and he tells his dad what he did. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And his dad says to him, son, did you like that bike? | ||
| And he's like, yes sir, I did. | ||
| And so his dad's like, you did the right thing. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| You took your freedom and no one could take your freedom. | ||
| You did the right thing. | ||
| So the end of the story was that he didn't get beat up by his dad, and then the place went nuts. | ||
| Like, they really loved the end of this story. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I was listening to it, like, this guy is a charm to him. | ||
| I don't know what the fuck he's doing here. | ||
| I don't know what he's promoting. | ||
|
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Sure. | |
| I'm only three quarters paying attention about this story of violence. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
|
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Huh. | |
| Might have been a high point of the night. | ||
| You know, it's like, because that's like an echo of the more common story of the standing up to bullies, you fight back, and then they're like, oh, you shouldn't fight back, and then your dad is like, you stand up to bullies, even if that, you know, that's a fairly common story. | ||
| This one, it does feel like there should have been some acknowledgement of, like, this was the wrong move. | ||
| And the tension of the story is whether or not his dad's gonna beat him up for beating up this other kid. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| And I honestly, like, I was reflecting on it after the fact. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And I realized that until the end of the story, I didn't know what ending the audience would like. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| They cheered for him not getting beaten up by his dad. | ||
| I think they would have cheered for a beating, too. | ||
| I think so, too. | ||
| I think they would have also cheered for a beating. | ||
| This is what's wrong with being from where we're from. | ||
| We're like, ah, those people would have been happy with a beating or no beating. | ||
| I got a whooping, but I got my freedom back. | ||
|
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Exactly. | |
| Or something like that. | ||
| Yeah, that would have been also, yes, you accepted the consequences, but you got your freedom back. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Something. | ||
|
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Anyway. | |
| Totally. | ||
| He was confusing. | ||
| That's wild. | ||
| And then the antihistamine drink people came out. | ||
|
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Sure. | |
| It was called Sambrosa. | ||
| Sambrosa? | ||
| Sambrosa! | ||
| Sambrosa! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The drink of the gods. | ||
| So they tried to sell their product to help you sleep. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| They had this great line that was like, let Tucker wake you up and let us put you to sleep. | ||
|
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Or something like that. | |
| You guys are assholes. | ||
| That is amazing. | ||
| Yeah, but that's also the most evil thing anybody could ever possibly say. | ||
| That's technocratic nightmare shit. | ||
| It's funny for me sitting there, though, because I can see the crass marketing that's going on and how abusive it is. | ||
| Do they got an MC or is this shotgun style? | ||
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Really? | |
| Out of control. | ||
| You don't have your own traveling house MC? | ||
| Nope. | ||
| The singer guy came out, did his time, then the lady from Moms for America came out, and then Joe, John, Joe from Texas, I can't remember his name, and then the sleep drink people. | ||
| They just don't care about putting on a good show, you know? | ||
| It was all brokered time. | ||
| Basically, the arrangement is obviously that they give Tucker a bunch of money, so he wrangles a crowd for them to pitch their shit to. | ||
| It's a nakedly transparent sales event with a captive audience. | ||
| Like, when people were filtering in and getting to their seats, you have the song comic warming people up, getting them excited, and then the payoff of that once they're seated is all these ads that go on for like half an hour, 40 minutes. | ||
| And then Tucker comes out. | ||
| Man. | ||
| And the place went nuts. | ||
| For Tucker, obviously. | ||
| I mean, we're not... | ||
| Listen, we don't have any corporate sponsors. | ||
| We're not like that. | ||
| We don't have corporate... | ||
| Giant corporations. | ||
| They don't care about you. | ||
| Even if they did sponsor us, it's what? | ||
| One millionth of their budget. | ||
| These people that we bring out here, these people want to predate on you to your face. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They want to look you in the eyes as they steal from you. | ||
| Sambrosa! | ||
| Sambrosa! | ||
| God damn it! | ||
| Joe with a mustache. | ||
| Oh, Sam Brose. | ||
| I don't know what he was selling. | ||
| He's just being Joe. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just Joe from Texas. | ||
| He's an eccentric millionaire who just wants to promote himself and tell stories that are kind of folksy. | ||
| Kind of like it. | ||
| I think that would be great. | ||
| That's Jimmy James style. | ||
| That is Jimmy James style right there. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And because I wasn't paying enough attention while he was on, I might have been going to get a pretzel. | ||
| No, I did that when Jack Posobiec was on stage. | ||
| Smart. | ||
| I wasn't paying enough attention to know what he was selling. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, don't worry about it. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
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All right. | |
| They go crazy for Tucker coming out. | ||
| They do. | ||
| The Ambrose salespeople do their pitch, and then they get to introduce Tucker. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So they brought him on stage. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which probably meant they paid a little more. | ||
| I would assume so. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Otherwise, they would have had to fight it out with the other corporate sponsors. | ||
| Yeah, that'd be no fun. | ||
| So Tucker comes out, and here, you ready to jump into the night's entertainment? | ||
| All right. | ||
| Oh, I'm... | ||
|
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Oh, I love this. | |
| Thank you. | ||
|
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I am legitimately glad to be here. | |
| Thank you. | ||
| Well, it is a great country. | ||
| Oh, sorry. | ||
| And thank you for saying that. | ||
| That has been, this is our 12th city. | ||
| And out of 16, and one of the things that I wanted, I love you too, thank you. | ||
| I wanted, you know, if you spend your life experiencing the United States through your phone, which I think all of us do, you really lose track of what it's actually like. | ||
| And you do. | ||
| And I do think that part of the lie, part of the plan for the rest of us is to convince us that our country sucks. | ||
| And that's not true at all. | ||
| And that's why it's been such a blessing to go coast to... | ||
| 8.30 this morning, I was on the Conestoga River in your state. | ||
| Beautiful. | ||
| You could have been anywhere. | ||
| Montana, New Zealand. | ||
| It was incredible. | ||
| And I ran into people in the park where I was looming, not in a threatening way, but, you know, wandering around one of your parks. | ||
| And they said to me, oh my gosh, we saw Alex Jones wandering in the park. | ||
| Actually, and they weren't afraid. | ||
| They were delighted. | ||
| Oh, they weren't afraid. | ||
| So right-wing figures are apparently the cryptids of that weekend in Pennsylvania, just looming around in the park. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| So yeah, I think that there's a nice USA chant. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I think that if you listen carefully, you can hear my uncommittal clapping. | ||
| Because I decided to be polite. | ||
| And do a little bit of soft clapping. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| Because I wanted to fit in. | ||
| I shaved my chin. | ||
| So I was like, let's just commit to this. | ||
| Yeah, I getcha. | ||
| Not for me. | ||
| I can't stand up at a baseball game. | ||
| I had to. | ||
| I felt like I had to do the standing ovations along with them. | ||
| Because otherwise I was going to be like... | ||
| I was going to stick out. | ||
| I mean, I will say, it does get lonely when you're the only person sitting down in a 30,000 arena of people clapping for somebody who's a murderer or a war criminal or whatever. | ||
| Well, I wasn't pledging allegiance to anybody. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I was just getting a better look at the stage. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's how I told myself it went. | ||
| All right. | ||
| But yeah, I think that there were only two times that I almost audibly laughed. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Maybe there was one that I actually slipped. | ||
| And I might have laughed. | ||
| But it was mostly just kind of nodding. | ||
| I was like, oh, okay. | ||
| And then with... | ||
| I hate to say this. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Because I do an Alex Jones podcast. | ||
| True. | ||
| Alex was so boring, and the only thing that's interesting is Tucker's intro speech. | ||
| I would not have missed out on much if I had just left after Tucker's intro. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which sucks. | ||
| But I mean, that's... | ||
| Like... | ||
| It's almost... | ||
| I'm almost... | ||
| I wouldn't say... | ||
| I'm not glad. | ||
| I'm not glad, and it's... | ||
| But... | ||
| It's like... | ||
| That's the purpose. | ||
| The purpose is not to put on a good show. | ||
| No. | ||
| The purpose is for this to be a thing that happened. | ||
| Yeah, and to launder Alex to a new audience. | ||
| The purpose is for nothing that's going on on the stage. | ||
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Nothing. | |
| It's for... | ||
| Next week, whenever it's like, oh, remember when Alex was in Pennsylvania? | ||
| He was so smart, and he was so brilliant. | ||
| It doesn't matter what he said. | ||
| He just said all the normal stuff that he says in his catchphrases, and then people cheered, and they felt good, and everyone was excited. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| I mean, honestly, maybe if I'd never seen Alex talk before, I'd be like, you gotta hear what this dude was saying. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| There's some nonsense stuff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because it would be things I hadn't heard a hundred times before, and we haven't talked about a hundred times on the podcast. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I think that maybe the newness of Tucker's brand of whatever he was dealing with I think was maybe more interesting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I can see that. | ||
| But yeah, Alex was a big dud. | ||
| And it was really funny because the chair wasn't quite big enough and so his little feet were dangling. | ||
| And it's really funny to hear somebody yelling about shit just sitting down with their little feet dangling. | ||
| With their little feet dangling? | ||
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No! | |
| Oh, goddammit! | ||
| That had to have been on purpose. | ||
| And then Jack Posobiec, too, like, he came out and forgot to unbutton his suit jacket when he sat down, so he looked like an idiot the whole fucking time with his suit, like... | ||
| Pulling apart. | ||
| And it was really... | ||
| Yeah, it was really bad. | ||
| Man, I can't dress myself and I don't do that shit. | ||
| Good God. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's bad. | ||
| So, Tucker has met a lot of cool people on this tour. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| A lot of good people. | ||
| No angry people. | ||
| Not at all. | ||
| Not at all? | ||
| And they're great people. | ||
| And that's kind of the point, is that in 12 cities from East Coast to West Coast to the middle to back to the East Coast... | ||
| I haven't met a single angry person. | ||
| I haven't met a single nasty person. | ||
| I haven't met anybody mistreating anybody else. | ||
| I've met exactly the opposite. | ||
| I have met the warmest, kindest, most loving, hilarious, eccentric people I've ever met. | ||
| And those are the people I grew up with. | ||
| This is the country I remember. | ||
| No, it's true, though. | ||
| It actually is great, and I've just been reminded of that, so thank you, and thank you for having me. | ||
| So gracious. | ||
| So I had a pretty similar experience on my whole trip. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I didn't really run into any particularly angry people, but I did meet a bunch of people who were on the precipice of anger, and I was keenly aware that if I didn't placate their needs to not be offended by wokeness, they would turn angry really fast. | ||
| I nodded along with a cab driver heading to my return trip to the airport as he lamented about how children's movies were pushing a gay agenda by including LGBTQ characters. | ||
| There were a couple of interactions I ended up in with other people around other culture war topics that felt the same. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It was very clear that that dynamic was in action. | ||
| Now, Tucker is insulated from a lot of this type of interaction because his insane wealth and celebrity allows that. | ||
| Plus, he's on the side that's one step away from screaming at you for being an agent of cancel culture. | ||
| Most of the people who hate Tucker are just not going to engage with him or probably will never have an opportunity to. | ||
| I watched a little video of their meet and greet, and it was just Tucker, Alex, and Jack Posobiec standing in front of a backdrop looking at a camera while a line of people came through and took pictures. | ||
| They barely even looked at the people as they were coming through, and then they were whisked away really fast, and you can hear Rob Doom muttering in the background, this is what America is about. | ||
| I'm sure that Tucker's not lying about how nice everyone has been on his tour, because honestly, all of the people that I interacted with who had an insane and dangerous idea to share, they were really nice too. | ||
| They were nice because I let them be nice, and I exercised extreme caution in how I challenge their very fragile ideas. | ||
| Tucker doesn't challenge any of those ideas in the most hostile people he could run into, so I'm sure it's a pretty nice trip that he's had. | ||
| But if I had wanted to, I could have immediately just said, no, that's complete nonsense. | ||
| You have no idea what you're talking about. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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And here's where this idea comes. | |
| And because of that, we had nice interactions. | ||
| Because I was there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because I let them. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Yeah, that's generally how it goes. | ||
| Yeah, and that's a bizarre feeling. | ||
| That doesn't feel great. | ||
| Well, I mean, on one level, everyone you meet... | ||
| If you scratch them long enough and hard enough, we'll reveal believing something that is absolutely insane. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You know, like, and it doesn't even need to be big, you know, that time that I told you that I thought that you couldn't refrigerate, re-refrigerate beer or something. | ||
| Because somebody told me, that was just in my head. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, and if you scratch that, it's gonna come out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The problem isn't that people do believe nonsense. | ||
| It's that some of that nonsense is terrifying and dangerous. | ||
| And it intersects with real-world hurt. | ||
| And then it gets whipped up by people like Tucker, who can stoke it without ever having to feel that same feeling of hostage-taking, you know? | ||
| That aspect of, like, I know, going into this interaction, I am not allowed to be me. | ||
| I simply cannot do that. | ||
| I have to exist in your space, period. | ||
| Yeah, and to the extent that it's acceptable, I'm just going to ignore most of this insane shit you're saying or very softly push back on it in a playful way for the sake of... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| We're just sitting on a bench together, man. | ||
| We're going to leave. | ||
| You're going to go back to your life. | ||
| I'm going to go back to mine. | ||
| What are we doing? | ||
| And so I think there were two things that exist simultaneously that are just weird feelings. | ||
| And that's like, well, those were positive exchanges. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And the parts of those conversations that didn't intersect with culture war bullshit and nonsense ideas that these people have. | ||
| We're very pleasant talking about their families and talking about various things that they're interested in. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Totally fine. | ||
| And I could have exchange with someone who believes the polar opposite of what I believe. | ||
| And that's heartening. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it's disheartening that the only way we were able to achieve that was by me restraining some information that I have that would have been handled poorly. | ||
| I'm sure. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, you know, it's one of those things where their anger is what's going to come out sooner or later. | ||
| And for Tucker, he's trying to get them to spew it at anybody, right? | ||
| Let it fly. | ||
| In these interactions, you're just like, well, don't spew it at me. | ||
| There's no reason to spew your anger at me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right? | ||
| But that makes you feel like, well, I'm just letting the next person... | ||
| Get that anger or something like that. | ||
| But it's like... | ||
| The anger isn't the anger at the thing we're talking about. | ||
| It's there somewhere else. | ||
| And it needs to get out. | ||
| Yeah, and it's kind of like a... | ||
| I'm not playing. | ||
| I don't want to dance. | ||
| I don't want to do this. | ||
| It just feels weird because there is a sense that I got from each of these people that they wanted to dance. | ||
| And I just didn't play along. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I have a lot of thoughts that I'm still kicking around about, like, what does this mean? | ||
| What kind of lessons can you take from that? | ||
| And I'm not sure, but it was weird. | ||
| I mean, you know, the thing that's always struck me about groupings like that, gatherings like that, is, like, all of these people want to fight. | ||
| They are gathered in a place together, almost with the intent to fight. | ||
| And it's like, you guys could just fight each other! | ||
| Well, I think that's actually less... | ||
| My sense of it was less that they were getting all together to fight. | ||
| What they were doing was getting all together to justify themselves. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And to feel like there are many of us and we're good. | ||
| That was more what the vibe was than fighting. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| There's a lot of violent talk and a lot of that kind of shit, but... | ||
| Overwhelmingly, it was more like, you're the good ones. | ||
| Well, I mean, if you're saying the same thing as 6,000 other people, even though, you know, what you're saying might in your otherwise daily life sound absolutely crazy to the 6,000 people that you're surrounded with, makes you feel real normal now. | ||
| Yeah, it helps. | ||
| It makes sense, yeah. | ||
| So Tucker's been in a good mood through most of this tour. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But today he got in a bad mood. | ||
| Uh-oh. | ||
| Because he saw that picture of Josh Shapiro with his olenski. | ||
| No! | ||
| That said, I've been in a good mood, despite being away from my wife and dogs, I've been in a good mood every day for the last 21 days. | ||
| Really until today, when I got back from wandering around one of your parks, and I see this picture of your governor. | ||
| You know, I actually don't really want to show up in somebody else's state and, like, attack their politicians, because that's not my state or Commonwealth. | ||
| But I saw a photograph of your governor, Josh Shapiro, standing with a foreign leader, signing an artillery shell that is going to kill civilians in a country we're not at war with, with a grin on his face. | ||
| And I had a couple of thoughts. | ||
| I was disgusted by it, actually. | ||
| I was enraged by it. | ||
| And here's why. | ||
| Let me be specific about here's why. | ||
| The first reason is, you know, I've been driving around Pennsylvania and actually I've fished here a lot over the course of my life. | ||
| And so I know the state pretty well. | ||
| And there are some, I mean, it is really one of the prettiest out of 50, maybe the prettiest in spots out of 50. It's ridiculous how pretty it is. | ||
| But there are some hurting places in this state, like hurting, like actually. | ||
| Actually. | ||
| The premise here is that I'm very mad hearing or seeing this picture of Josh Shapiro with Zelensky because I fish in Pennsylvania quite a bit and there's a lot of really nice nature stuff but also people are hurting and that money could be used to improve their lives. | ||
| So that's the beginning of the premise. | ||
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| Which I can understand. | ||
| I think you're going to have to do a little work. | ||
| On putting the sort of pieces together. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But it's the beginning of, like, I get your grievance. | ||
| So he goes on. | ||
| And he just develops this theme. | ||
| But there are some hurting places in this state, like hurting, like actually, where people don't have jobs, where, you know, beautiful buildings in utter disrepair, walking back from dinner last night, people sleeping on the sidewalk. | ||
| You know, things that we should not put up with in a country with self-respect, and our leaders did that, actually. | ||
| And so for anybody in charge of anything in this country, particularly in this state, to be spending time, money, or concern on a foreign country's problems enraged me. | ||
| It enraged me. | ||
| So Tucker is really mad that any time, effort, or concern is going to be placed on something foreign when there are people here who could be helped. | ||
| So I get the premise. | ||
| You get the premise? | ||
| I do get the premise. | ||
| My thought when he said that was Odin, okay, right, there must be something satisfying about being able to tell Ravens to go peck a man's eyes out. | ||
| That's a satisfaction that I think we would all be appreciative for. | ||
| In certain circumstances. | ||
| And I think this would be one of them. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Because there's just no way to listen to a man say that like Tucker. | ||
| Like, oh, I was vacationing in Barbados when I realized that I did it with foreign aid. | ||
| Go fuck yourself! | ||
| It's a chill, cool thing and a good point. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So your idea of the Raven. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know if you know this, but that's an Adam Carolla idea. | ||
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| Well, back in the day, he used to talk about attack crows. | ||
| Attack crows, sure. | ||
| And he would have a team of attack crows. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Because they're very smart, and you could train them to... | ||
| They're very smart. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I see a lot of videos now where people are like, if you give them food, whenever they give you like a dollar, they'll just keep bringing you money because they think that's how... | ||
| Like, that's amazing. | ||
| They're smart. | ||
| Adam Carolla, the ace man. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Conspicuous in his absence as a guest on this tour. | ||
| I was going to say, he's lost some celebrity status if he didn't make it as a guest on this tour. | ||
| Yeah, there's a number of people who are sort of like, did Chuck Norris get one? | ||
| No. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| He might be real old now. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| He might be dead. | ||
| I don't know if he's dead. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| He's got a new book out. | ||
| It's called Black Belt Politics or something like that. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| So, Tucker is infuriated by this photo op thing that Josh Shapiro and Zelensky did. | ||
| And he just doesn't want to be lectured. | ||
| I just want to be lectured by these people. | ||
| I swear to God, him lecturing me about him not wanting to be lectured by these people is wanting me to lecture him. | ||
| Shit turns angry. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| How dare you lecture me about problems in some other place, whether it's in Eastern Europe or the Middle East or Central Africa? | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| I don't wish any of those people harm at all. | ||
| I wish everyone well. | ||
| But for you to spend your time worrying about that and paying for that... | ||
| When your own state, people in your own state are literally living on the sidewalk, damn you, actually. | ||
| I thought, I mean that. | ||
| He means it. | ||
| So this is all fun and is getting the crowd worked up, but it's kind of dumb. | ||
| Tucker's show is largely lecturing people about problems in other countries and supporting foreign strongman leaders like Putin, Javier Malay, Nayib Bukele, Yair Bolsonaro, and Viktor Orban. | ||
| The criticism he's making would be fine, but he's criticizing himself just as much as he is Josh Shapiro. | ||
| He just doesn't accept that criticism on himself. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I agree that people being unhoused is a serious problem and the government has a responsibility to confront it. | ||
| Tucker's ideology doesn't have a solution for the problem. | ||
| He's just using it as an excuse to attack supporting Ukraine. | ||
| But I have no qualms with taking housing insecurity as a serious issue that public resources should be directed towards solving. | ||
| The problem is that there's no connection between Tucker's feelings about people being unhoused and about the war in Ukraine. | ||
| Even if literally everyone in the country had access to affordable housing, he would still think we shouldn't give any money or time to Ukraine. | ||
| So pretending that his issue is rooted in some righteous indignation about how we should be using the resources for ourselves, that's a charade. | ||
| The bigger scam is that even if no money or time was being spent on supporting Ukraine, Tucker wouldn't support public assistance to provide people with housing. | ||
| He's just pretending he would support that because he knows that those optics are a weapon that he can use to attack his enemies. | ||
| He's scamming the audience by appealing to something that makes them feel like good people. | ||
| And by extension, he demonizes the people that he's opposed to. | ||
| Cultivating that feeling is really what 90% of the non-advertising part of this show is about. | ||
| That's the vibes that you're getting from him. | ||
| And I found that kind of interesting. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, that's like... | ||
| That's America, man. | ||
| Like, that's the jump. | ||
| That's the, like, hey, you know what your real problem is? | ||
| Giving that extra cent and a half to fucking King George. | ||
| That motherfucker's your real problem. | ||
| Your real problem is paying union dues. | ||
| Give me your food. | ||
| Give me your food. | ||
| Give me your food, because then I will give it to him. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| It's him who's stealing your food. | ||
| I'm going to take it, though. | ||
| I'm going to take all of your food, and then later you'll have some. | ||
| Maybe? | ||
| It's redirecting. | ||
| The intensity of anger is just dumb. | ||
| In this case, because it's just one thing you don't support and another thing you don't support. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And pretending you support one because it allows you to seem more righteous in your attack on the other. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's uncompelling. | ||
| But there's just a lot of feelings. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, like I mentioned this up top. | ||
| He's an emotional guy. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| And this next clip, I almost... | ||
| Like, had my jaw on the floor when I was there. | ||
| Because it's so sad. | ||
| It makes me so sad. | ||
| And I can't believe Tucker is saying this shit. | ||
| A leader's only job is to take care of the people he leads. | ||
| Period. | ||
| It's not to end global climate change. | ||
| It's not to defeat Vladimir Putin or anybody else. | ||
| It's to protect and watch over the people he leads. | ||
| This is true of any organization, starting with the most basic organization in any society, which is the family. | ||
| A father's job is to watch over his family. | ||
| And if his kids are sick and have drug problems and he takes off... | ||
| To another country to deal with other people's children in a faraway land, he has abandoned his family. | ||
| And I don't care what story he tells you about himself and what a great and caring and compassionate person he is, and I don't care how much he attacks you for noticing, he is a bad father and a bad man. | ||
| Because he has violated his sacred duty to his own children. | ||
| That's why he's here, is to watch over his children. | ||
| And the same is true for all organizations. | ||
| Whether it's a military unit, or the office you work in, or the town you live in, or the state you reside in, or the nation you were born in. | ||
| The people who run it have one job, and that's to watch out for you, because they're your leaders. | ||
| This clip is really helpful to understand Tucker's rhetorical framework. | ||
| He spends a lot of time whining about how the left wants a nanny state, and then he rants passionately about how he wants a president who loves him like a parent. | ||
| It's incoherent and stupid because on a fundamental level, no one should want the relationship dynamic between an individual and the government to mirror that of a parent and a child. | ||
| On its face, it's idiotic, and Tucker knows that perfectly well. | ||
| He absolutely does not want this to be his relationship with the government, but he knows that the audience he's cultivated feels good when they talk about a person in power loving them. | ||
| It's emotionally validating to imagine that your president loves The government doesn't love you, and you shouldn't want them to. | ||
| You should want them to govern effectively, and sometimes that works in your best interests, and sometimes, as an individual, it doesn't. | ||
| I remember in this moment, sitting in the arena, just amazed at how petulant and weak it sounded. | ||
| Because the side point of what Tucker is saying is that he wants to be treated like a child. | ||
| That's the role he's assuming in this metaphor, in this allegory. | ||
| And he's encouraging the audience to assume that role as well, which I think sucks. | ||
| No organization should run like a family. | ||
| No business or government or office should have a paternal structure. | ||
| And I think that Tucker understands that. | ||
| It's just that his brand has become so entwined with yelling about families and in Shit. | ||
| Shit. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it's a really good scam, though. | ||
| Like the, hey, listen, give up all of your agency so that a higher power male will do it for you is like the best scam. | ||
| It's the best scam. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's been going on for the whole time. | ||
| Well, and a huge part of this that is kind of a little too clear if you're paying attention is that, like, Tucker isn't really saying this about himself. | ||
| No. | ||
| He's not saying that he wants to be the child of the government. | ||
| He wants you to be. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He wants to be exempted from this parent-child relationship, but he wants you in that. | ||
| I'm going to tell you something. | ||
| I'm going to tell you something crazy. | ||
| I don't think a lot of cardinals view themselves as equal to a lot of the people in their parishes. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| I don't think they, you know, even though their book might, you know... | ||
| I think some have strange power dynamics that are played out. | ||
| Might have paternalistic power dynamics, too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so, like, this whole thing turns into Tucker yelling about how... | ||
| The government should love you. | ||
| Oh my god! | ||
| It was surreal. | ||
| That's creepy! | ||
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| No! | ||
| You take a city like the one I woke up in this morning where my wife went to grade school, and it's a beautiful city built over centuries by hardworking immigrants, by the way. | ||
| German mostly, but probably from lots of other places. | ||
| And they spent hundreds of years making this a great city. | ||
| And I walked through it this morning on the way to the park, and the streets are covered in garbage and broken needles. | ||
| And it's like, you don't notice that, really, Josh Shapiro? | ||
| You don't notice that? | ||
| How can you not notice that? | ||
| There's someone sleeping right there! | ||
| And you're lecturing me about Ukraine? | ||
| Damn you! | ||
| There's no concern at all, and where there's no concern, there's no love, actually. | ||
| Actually. | ||
| There's no love actually. | ||
| The movie Love Actually. | ||
| I was really mad that he said that, and nobody was like... | ||
| Yeah, I did. | ||
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| I did at the moment. | ||
| Yeah, okay, good. | ||
| I almost wanted to break out into, God only knows where I'd be without you. | ||
| He said the words. | ||
| We should all be like, yeah, he said the words, right? | ||
| It's the... | ||
| When your catchphrase is actually and you do that one, it really feels like there should be a buzzer or something. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Or a wink, but he didn't really do any of that. | ||
| Motherfucker. | ||
| Also, that just all seems so whiny and disconnected from the real problem he's pretending to be upset about, which is people not... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think that Tucker sounds like a dork. | ||
| And I don't think that... | ||
| On a critical examination of the things he's saying, he could even justify whining about how much he wants the government to love you. | ||
| I think it's pathetic. | ||
| I mean, like, the answer to 1984 or 1776 is very stupid. | ||
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| But the answer to 1984 is also not 1984. | ||
| More-er-er! | ||
| 1884-er-er! | ||
| Later in 1984. | ||
| That's also not the answer. | ||
| But maybe the answer is being loved like a child by the government parents. | ||
| Absolutely not! | ||
| Maybe it is. | ||
| Concern grows from love. | ||
| It's organic. | ||
| It's easy. | ||
| You didn't have to read a book about how to love your children. | ||
| It came naturally to you. | ||
| They're your children. | ||
| You should have read a book. | ||
| And by the way, that's enough. | ||
| I should have. | ||
| I'm one of them. | ||
| You know, not super well-educated, non-geniuses. | ||
| We have a lot of dumb parents who are pretty good parents. | ||
| Not because they learn some theory about parenting from the Harvard School of Parenting, but because they love their children. | ||
| And if you love your children, you may make a mistake here and there. | ||
| I have. | ||
| Every parent has. | ||
| But over time, if your actions are guided by a sincere love for your child, that child's going to be okay. | ||
| Because that's all that matters. | ||
| And so, if over time, you totally ignore the material and spiritual condition of your people... | ||
| If they wind up sleeping on the street and the storefronts are closed and the windows are broken and they can't walk to CVS without getting mugged and it's physically unclean, that's not an accident. | ||
| They don't love you. | ||
| They hate you. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| Do not listen. | ||
| I talk for a living. | ||
| So I think a lot about this. | ||
| This was just so weird. | ||
| So very bizarre. | ||
| Sitting there and watching this, I was like, I did not expect... | ||
| This would be the kind of breakdown that I'm witnessing. | ||
| Can anybody just do it? | ||
| You know, like, okay, so when Bush was like, I'm a regular guy like you, but he was also like a super billionaire, right, who's well-connected and his dad was the devil. | ||
| You know, like, it was fine because he was... | ||
| Absolutely as dumb as you thought he was. | ||
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| He said funny words like strategery. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Watch me hit this drive. | ||
| Yeah, he's an idiot. | ||
| So when he's like, I'm just like one of you. | ||
| No, you're fucking not. | ||
| But also, in a way, yes, you very much are. | ||
| Maybe more so than a lot of people. | ||
| That's the tension of Tucker, though. | ||
| Tucker is not at all that. | ||
| Yes, that's the tension. | ||
| He is a bullshitter. | ||
| He wants to be treated like that, but also... | ||
| He wants to be the, like, Ivy League guy. | ||
| Can anybody do it? | ||
| There's an incoherence in what he's putting forward. | ||
| And now here's Dr., the most decorated, educated man of the... | ||
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We need to get rid of universities, and everybody should be... | |
| Like, no, you're the guy. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| You can't do that. | ||
| Yeah, it's weird. | ||
| Why aren't they calling him out on that? | ||
| I think people just enjoy whatever he makes them feel. | ||
| So also, important point, people do benefit from taking parenting classes. | ||
| Yeah, of course they do. | ||
| There's a whole lot that you don't know going in. | ||
| You don't know anything! | ||
| It feels a little strange to just sort of insist that everyone knows the right thing to do innately. | ||
| It's kind of unrelated to the convoluted point Tucker is making, but this mentality that people know how to raise their kids automatically is a pretty toxic viewpoint that feeds into Uh, so... | ||
| Fuck that. | ||
| Oh, you'll just know. | ||
| You'll just know. | ||
| Well, I don't! | ||
| I have no answer for that. | ||
| It's alienating. | ||
| So Tucker's views about how much the government needs to be your parent are dumb and incompatible with his professed belief system. | ||
| And the analogy that he's trying to draw is a really unhealthy mindset. | ||
| It's just all bad, all around. | ||
| I don't... | ||
| I can't even describe how shocked I was by this. | ||
| It's so stupid. | ||
| Sometimes I really do think, is it just showboating? | ||
| Are they just doing like the can-can because they can get away with anything? | ||
| Like, why not? | ||
| What couldn't he say at this point other than like, hey, maybe we should respect gay people. | ||
| Like, that's it! | ||
| I think that could be trouble. | ||
| Maybe if he came out against Trump. | ||
| I think actually he could manage coming out against Trump. | ||
| I think it would be, I don't know, he did try and do the RFK pivot. | ||
| Sort of. | ||
| Uncommittally. | ||
| That didn't work out. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
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I think that was more RFK's fault than anybody else's fault. | |
| What? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm going to go with maybe somebody should have looked into that freak. | ||
| Man, there's a hundred stories about him that we have not covered. | ||
| Again, I think this is great. | ||
| He is the most fucked up human being that's ever lived. | ||
| He should be fucked up like this. | ||
| True. | ||
| It makes me feel good. | ||
| I was raised with a bad rap, but I'm way better than RFK Jr. | ||
| Well, I mean, he has a lot of variables. | ||
| So we've talked a number of times about words. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You think they mean something? | ||
| I have been wrong about that for so long. | ||
| This is a constant tension in your life. | ||
| It is. | ||
| And apparently, Tucker shares your concern. | ||
| I'm sure he does. | ||
| I'm sure he's not creating my concern entirely by himself. | ||
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No, no, no, no, no. | |
| But he wouldn't be doing that through words. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| So I think a lot about this, about words and their use. | ||
| And I use words we all do to communicate with other people. | ||
| It's what separates us from the animals. | ||
| It's not the opposable thumb. | ||
| Whoever thought of that is an idiot. | ||
| It's an idiot. | ||
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God thought of the opposable thumb, asshole. | |
| And that's great. | ||
| But words are also, if you think about it, a means of deception. | ||
| They are a vector for lying. | ||
| How do the lies reach you? | ||
| Because they come out of somebody's mouth. | ||
| So if you're in my business and you think a lot about language and you're around people who are lying for a living, after a while, you lose faith in it. | ||
| You do. | ||
| And after a while, at least if you're me, you decide, you know, I'm going to be a lot more like my dog. | ||
| My dog is not a fluent English speaker. | ||
| Genius, but doesn't speak English. | ||
| And yet my dog and your dog and everyone's dog knows exactly what's up. | ||
| They can't hear a word you say. | ||
| They only watch you. | ||
| And when you move over and pick up the bowl, it's dinner time. | ||
| You didn't tell them that. | ||
| They're watching what you do. | ||
| And I've decided that's a much more accurate way to judge intent. | ||
| You can say, well, I have a plan because I'm so compassionate. | ||
| I really care about you and all your communities. | ||
| First of all, anyone who uses the word community is lying to you. | ||
| Because there's no such thing as a community. | ||
| There are only people, actually, with names and fingerprints. | ||
| They're only individuals. | ||
| No woman ever gave birth to a community. | ||
| There's no such thing. | ||
| Talking about communities is a way of ignoring actual people. | ||
| Really, name three people in the community. | ||
| What are their middle names? | ||
| Who are their moms? | ||
| Do you know their moms? | ||
| You don't know anything about the community. | ||
| Community is a way to make your responsibility more diffuse and less specific. | ||
| What the fuck is happening? | ||
| So this is basically a textbook case of a stupid person's idea of a smart person. | ||
| Except I don't think that's what's going on here. | ||
| I think this is a cynical presentation on Tucker's part, and he's doing a smart person's version of what he thinks a stupid person could relate to. | ||
| I suspect he has a great disdain for this audience and clearly thinks that they should look at their leaders as parents. | ||
| So it's not hard for me to imagine that he thinks they're pretty stupid. | ||
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| It certainly lines up with the picture that you get with him from the text messages that came out in the Fox lawsuit. | ||
| Seems like a real piece of shit. | ||
| And maybe not the kind of person who's acting like this. | ||
| Behind closed doors. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So what's this rant even about? | ||
| Words are important to transmit culture but you could also use them to lie so you should act like a dog. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Communities don't exist because people have fingerprints. | ||
| Right. | ||
| This dude seems a little bit jacked up, but maybe he's just doubled up on his nicotine pouches and he's riding that high. | ||
| Whatever the case, this intro speech was all over the fucking place. | ||
| And while he's getting decent responses here and there, you can hear some points where he expected applause and it didn't come. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| There is definitely moments where it's like, uh-oh. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That was supposed to land and it didn't. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I'm listening. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's nice. | ||
| He's not bombing, but he's not killing. | ||
| I feel like... | ||
| Here's how I feel. | ||
| If I'm... | ||
| What would I say? | ||
| If I'm one of those people in the arena, I think of myself as a warrior. | ||
| I think of myself as a person who has recognized that there's something wrong with this world and is doing something to... | ||
| To change it. | ||
| To fix it. | ||
| To whatever. | ||
| And if that means giving Tucker money, then at the very least I'll have fixed it or changed it or whatever, you know? | ||
| But at the heart of it is the warrior. | ||
| I am a person, you know, strong. | ||
| And then I just think of like Conan the Barbarian listening to Tucker. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like Conan the Barbarian being like, I guess... | ||
| The government's my dad. | ||
| I guess I'll do what you say. | ||
| So... | ||
| So no crushing my enemies? | ||
| Just, you'll do it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Like, what a sad... | ||
| To have Tucker be your front man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Especially when it's this Tucker. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, I think... | ||
| Have some self-respect, Conan. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| This is weak. | ||
| This is weak. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you remember in The Princess Bride? | ||
| That line, the line that will always stick with me is, we are men of action, you and I. The lies are beneath us. | ||
| Fuck yeah! | ||
| Tucker Carlson, you are not that! | ||
| That's kind of the thing that I was experiencing while I was there, was kind of like, I don't even respect this. | ||
| I don't even respect this enough to be really afraid of you or treat you with the respect that you want. | ||
| So clearly need. | ||
| But at the same time, all of this is scary and the ideas are dangerous. | ||
| You can't just totally be like, ah, this doesn't exist, no big deal. | ||
| There were 6,000 people in this arena cheering for... | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But at the same time, like, I have no respect for the presentation that Tucker's putting on. | ||
| He's very weak. | ||
| He sounds like an idiot. | ||
| And I can't not laugh at that. | ||
| I mean, I bet... | ||
| God, it makes you want to be at one of those early, those old revivals. | ||
| Before they had TV, before they had any of that shit. | ||
| Like Marjo shit, where it's like all we have are practical effects, some people who dance, and a child that is really charismatic. | ||
| And they made a fucking show out of it. | ||
| And I bet Joe from Texas opened that show too. | ||
| I bet he did! | ||
| I bet he's a fucking vampire! | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So here was one of the places where Tucker, the expectation of what he wanted, But it's not just Josh Shapiro. | ||
| Trust me, it's a whole line. | ||
| It's decades of politicians who didn't love you. | ||
| That enrages me. | ||
| And then to see him direct his love toward a foreign leader in a foreign population that he knows nothing about. | ||
| He doesn't speak Ukrainian. | ||
| What do you know about Ukraine, Josh Shapiro? | ||
| No, it's a way for his friends to get rich and him to puff himself up like some sort of fake world leader and seem like he cares. | ||
| He's got bigger concerns in mind. | ||
| Geopolitical. | ||
| You may not know that word. | ||
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Geopolitical. | |
| Trust me, Josh Shapiro has no freaking idea what that word means. | ||
| But more to the point, Josh Shapiro's only job is to protect And enhance the lives of people in Redding and Pottstown and every other town in this state. | ||
| Including, and I'm just going to say it, and you're going to jeer me, including Philadelphia. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Philadelphia, I get it. | ||
| But Philadelphia, whatever else you can say about it, is filled with American citizens. | ||
| No one was booing for Philadelphia. | ||
| Tucker just kind of thought that he'd take a jab at the big city. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Blue city. | ||
| That's how disconnected from human beings they are. | ||
| They're like, oh, well, the largest city is clearly the big blue city. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| All these rural people will hate Philadelphia. | ||
| A bunch of the people there were clearly from Philadelphia. | ||
| Philadelphia's not a fucking... | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Oh, these East Coast elite... | ||
| What, from Philly? | ||
| Philly is where you're going to be. | ||
| The roots. | ||
| Also, I get, like... | ||
| Josh Shapiro doesn't know what geopolitical means or whatever. | ||
| I get that, but that's a bad version of whatever the dig you're trying to make is. | ||
| It's just... | ||
| It sounds kind of dumb. | ||
| It sounds a little drunk. | ||
| I think this is disrespectful. | ||
| I think this is disrespectful to the craft of being a piece of shit who riles people up like this. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| Especially because it's so pathetically, like... | ||
| I need the government to be my dad. | ||
| There is just this weak softness. | ||
| And this was a point where I was like, oh, fuck yourself. | ||
| And how is that city doing? | ||
| I mean, it's a reliable source of political power for creeps like Josh Shapiro, because it's easy to rig it in Philadelphia. | ||
| And that's what we spend all our time talking about. | ||
| But what we never talk about is the zombies walking under public transportation there. | ||
| And they're not zombies, actually. | ||
| They're Americans with names. | ||
| And they're dying. | ||
| And he doesn't care! | ||
| And giving them a safe place to shoot up is not love, it's hate. | ||
| What? | ||
| That's hate. | ||
| I don't care what they call it. | ||
| Depends on what you're shooting up, honestly. | ||
| And that's what I mean about language. | ||
| They can dress up hate as love. | ||
| Oh, that's love. | ||
| It's compassion. | ||
| It's caring. | ||
| It's harm reduction. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Your kid comes home and is like, I'm a junkie. | ||
| You're like, well, here's some needles. | ||
| I'm going to give you some you time in your room to shoot fentanyl. | ||
| What? | ||
| You're going to chain him to the freaking radiator until he gets better. | ||
| Of course, or do whatever you can to get that child off a drug that can and will kill him. | ||
| So this is the kind of thought that sounds insightful but is actually really fucking stupid. | ||
| The way a parent might respond to their child doing drugs is different than how a government might respond to a resident doing drugs because the relationships and responsibilities are super different. | ||
| If you just take this line of thinking a couple steps further... | ||
| I don't know if I can do that! | ||
| You can pretty easily see how it falls apart immediately. | ||
| Governments shouldn't do clean needle programs and harm reduction programs because what they should do is metaphorically chain you to a radiator so you get off drugs, since that's what a good parent would do. | ||
| A good parent is also required to house and feed their child until they're 18, so if the government should treat us like their beloved children, even though your adults shouldn't housing, and food be free then. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
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Parents also largely dictate the diets of their children because kids would generally generally not eat healthy unless parents push them to. | |
| Does that mean Tucker thinks it's okay for the government to make us eat the bugs? | ||
| Because they should be able to mandate the... | ||
| Yep. | ||
| What we eat, because that's what parents do. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| A parent might say that their kid is grounded unless they clean their room, and that's an expression of love, teaching the kid about responsibility, taking care of chores. | ||
| Does Tucker think that the government should be able to confine you to your house if you don't do the dishes? | ||
| Like, there's a thousand examples of this, to the point where it's hard to believe that Tucker wouldn't put in a little more effort to make his point sound less clearly stupid. | ||
| As it stands, Tucker seems to want the government to exert parental control over him because it loves him and he wants harsh sentences for victimless drug crimes. | ||
| This is super cool stuff. | ||
| I mean, you know, I think what I find fascinating about it is that of all the things that he is talking about with parental bullshit and the comparison, the one thing that he is not talking about is the one that I... | ||
| Believe is the underpinning of all of it, which is the concept of my house, my rules. | ||
| This is my house. | ||
| So long as you live here, I get to tell you what to do. | ||
| If you don't want me to tell you what to do, then go somewhere else. | ||
| I will kick you out of my house. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But that is final. | ||
| You understand? | ||
| So if you are making the comparison here, then you don't get to bitch about what the government's doing at all! | ||
| There is no real... | ||
| Whining about tyranny if this is where you're coming from. | ||
| It seems really stupid to have the complaints, the sort of niche complaints that Tucker and Alex do when you view things through this lens. | ||
| I don't get it. | ||
| It's dumb. | ||
| And I don't think that he doesn't understand that. | ||
| I don't understand how you could have a career like he has without conceptually understanding. | ||
| The problem and the inconsistency here. | ||
| Let's follow it further, okay? | ||
| So this father of this family, he's not caring about his family. | ||
| Motherfucker is out. | ||
| He's out in Ukraine signing bombs. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Even though that was in Philly or Scranton. | ||
| And even though he's sending money back to his family because he's getting paid for doing it. | ||
| That's not important. | ||
| So now this is happening, all right? | ||
| And whatever he's doing doesn't matter. | ||
| He's gone. | ||
| And you don't like what he's doing. | ||
| So then what? | ||
| Do you replace your father? | ||
| Yeah, you get adopted by Putin. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, right? | ||
| Do you vote him out? | ||
| Putin's your stepdad. | ||
| And if that's the case, then can you choose any father? | ||
| And if you can choose your father, then you yourself are your own father. | ||
| By having the choice, you have taken control of your own life. | ||
| Congratulations, we've just worked out why you're an idiot for believing all of this! | ||
| It's the paradox. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, Tucker says something really dumb in this next clip, and I think it's revealing and almost mind-blowingly ironic. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So the only way you judge people is by the effects of what they do. | ||
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You judge the tree by the fruit. | |
| And you can say, well, I'm a lemon tree. | ||
| I'm a lemon tree. | ||
| Bright orange tart, but delicious with Diet Coke. | ||
| I'm a lemon tree. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Because those are pomegranates, honey. | ||
| Those aren't lemons. | ||
| You're lying. | ||
| You are not a lemon tree. | ||
| Those are pomegranates. | ||
| I know because there's the fruit. | ||
| You can tell me you care about the people of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, but they're dying of drug odies and you're doing nothing other than sending more weapons of mass destruction to some creepy guy in a truck. | ||
| So this is really interesting, how Tucker uses the expression, you know a tree by its fruit. | ||
| He seems to think that it means that you can tell a lemon tree is a lemon tree if it produces a lemon, and likewise for a pomegranate bush. | ||
| But that's not what the verse in the Bible means, and anybody who's read Matthew 7 would know that. | ||
| It literally goes on to say, In Jesus' words, this means that the healthiness of a particular tree is assessed by the fruit that it bears. | ||
| Not that you can identify a tree based on what sort of fruit it makes. | ||
| It's very obvious from the verse, and anyone who's taken the Bible seriously at any point in their life would not make that kind of conceptual mistake. | ||
| In order to have the interpretation Tucker has, you would have to have seen this verse in a meme, but never actually read the first books of the New Testament. | ||
| You have to be a real dick. | ||
| I've said this before, but I think the only thing that really would get in the way of Christianity spreading and taking over is the whole Christ thing. | ||
| Once you get rid of him, baby... | ||
| Open season. | ||
| Oh, gangbusters. | ||
| So, making this kind of a mistake that Tucker's making is what they call a tell in the poker business. | ||
| This mistake reveals that he doesn't really know anything about the book that he's professing to center his life around. | ||
| He doesn't know shit about the teachings of the person he claims to serve and he's fighting demons for. | ||
| In an ironic way... | ||
| This is the fruit by which you can pretty clearly know Tucker's tree It's a bad tree He's a tree that's full of shit Yep The next verses in Matthew 7 are ones that Tucker should reflect on a bunch in the coming days. | ||
| Quote, If there's a hell, I'm pretty sure Tucker is destined to end up there. | ||
| And this kind of behavior is exactly why. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is sacrilege. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I mean, it does go back to that earlier, just like they will not be held accountable to either. | ||
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| They won't be held accountable to actual political ideology or religious ideology. | ||
| It is just, I am going to say what I need to say to get rich. | ||
| To get power. | ||
| And frankly, just because I'm bored and I hate you. | ||
| That's the only thing that makes sense now for me listening to this. | ||
| Does he just want to go places where he hates people and then say it to their faces? | ||
| I mean, if so, congrats. | ||
| That's fucking crazy, man! | ||
| But there was a part of me that if I take seriously what he's saying, if I believe that what he's expressing is actually what he believes, I come away with the feeling that what he's motivated by is he wants power to love him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That is, like, really what's driving this. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And he feels that Trump loves him. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And he feels like everyone else doesn't. | ||
| And so he's supporting Trump because he wants the figurehead of power, the manifestation of power, to personally love him. | ||
| Right. | ||
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In the way that he feels that, like, Putin does, or Orban or Bolsonaro. | |
| These people love and respect him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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And he wants power to do that. | |
| And I think that's sad. | ||
| But I also don't think that he's being totally straight up about his beliefs. | ||
| True. | ||
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And what he wants. | |
| I mean, he is fucking nuts. | ||
| I imagine, ironically, we would all be better off. | ||
| If his dad had read some books about raising kids. | ||
| Ah, yeah. | ||
| And wasn't a spy. | ||
| Just throwing that out there. | ||
| So, in this next clip, Tucker says something that I think is kind of okay, which is that if you delight in the deaths of civilians, you suck. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Anybody who takes delight in the death of civilians is a freak. | ||
| That's just a fact. | ||
| And there's something... | ||
| Forbidden about saying that, particularly if you're on the right. | ||
| I've been on the right my whole life. | ||
| I've never been on the left. | ||
| I've never been some freaky liberal. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| Ever. | ||
| And I never will be. | ||
| So I think I have the authority to say, if you take delight in the suffering of other human beings, you're evil. | ||
| And I mean that. | ||
| That's what my religion tells me. | ||
| That's what common sense tells me. | ||
| That's disgusting. | ||
| That's disgusting. | ||
| And yet they do. | ||
| Because the truth is, they're violence worshippers, actually. | ||
| They're violence worshippers. | ||
| They are. | ||
| They are. | ||
| So by this point, Tucker is about 15 minutes into his rant, and he seems a little fucked up. | ||
| Like, he was jumping topic to topic, making insane proclamations, and overall seeming like maybe he was hanging out with Alex before the show. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| He's giving off Alex vibes. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| I do agree that delighting and killing civilians is bad, but it's probably a little meaningless to insist people are evil if they do it. | ||
| Plus, then we need to litigate what counts as delighting and killing civilians, because a lot of Tucker's early 2000s career would definitely be characterized by including that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This all just sounds like an uncentered, pandering, and confused demagogue trying to work a crowd and getting like 75% of the response they're going for, but in that clip, he says that there's something wrong with killing civilians, and there's something forbidden about saying that on the right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What are you talking about, man? | ||
| Man? | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| I have no fucking clue. | ||
| Tucker, why don't you expand on that a little bit? | ||
| Tell me more about that. | ||
| Man, y 'all are fucked up. | ||
| But those left people are weird. | ||
| Those are the people who are crazy left. | ||
| I've never been part of them. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| Freaky liberals, whatever. | ||
| I'll take that. | ||
| I'll be a freaky liberal. | ||
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What the fuck are you talking about, man? | |
| You're crazy. | ||
| See, they worship violence is the thing. | ||
| I don't understand how you can be a freaky liberal who fucks all the time and yet also worship violence. | ||
| It's all in there. | ||
| Too busy fucking, man. | ||
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Nope. | |
| I'm dancing with my nips right now. | ||
| They worship violence. | ||
| And that, that is why Dick Cheney now supports Kamala Harris. | ||
| What? | ||
| Right? | ||
| What? | ||
| Because they all worship violence. | ||
| What? | ||
| They love violence. | ||
| That's why every federal agency with guns, they've taken over. | ||
| No, it's they love it. | ||
| Who's they this time? | ||
| Why do they love it? | ||
| Because it makes them feel like God. | ||
| That's why. | ||
| Because the one power that God possesses that we do not possess is the power to create and end life. | ||
| You can kill in self-defense. | ||
| We can argue about what self-defense is. | ||
| I mean, that's, you know, it's a whole conversation, which is a legitimate conversation. | ||
| Focus. | ||
| You can't be Dick Cheney, actually. | ||
| Sorry, it's not allowed. | ||
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| And so when Dick Cheney and his creepy, freaky little daughter joined the Carmela Harris for president campaign, everyone's like, oh, that's so shocking. | ||
| I can't quite believe that. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| All the people who worship violence are now on the same side. | ||
| This is cute and all, but Tucker needs to drop the bullshit. | ||
| He fully supported Cheney when it mattered whether he supported him or not, and he's not going to get a single point for being anti-Cheney now because he doesn't like Trump. | ||
| This is a coward's version of having principles, and go fuck yourself. | ||
| If you follow the train of thought that he's on here, it goes like this. | ||
| The left worships violence because violence makes them feel like God. | ||
| This is because the only power that God has that we don't is the ability to create and destroy life. | ||
| Already I have to stop and say that this isn't true. | ||
| God created the universe, which we can't do. | ||
| I can get someone pregnant and have a kid, or kill someone. | ||
| I can do those things. | ||
| Those are literally powers that I have. | ||
| Tucker makes no sense here. | ||
| One could argue those are the only final powers anyone has. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| Tucker is on one. | ||
| I do think your responsive focus is right on because there was a sense in the room of like, what? | ||
| Where are you going, buddy? | ||
| Hold on, man. | ||
| Hey, come on, man. | ||
| You're dipping off the wrong end of the knife. | ||
| I think people were a little confused where he was going, but then he got him back with the shitting on Chaney. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure, sure. | ||
| So that's fine. | ||
| See, we can't kill and we can't make life because God can do that. | ||
| Okay, I disagree. | ||
| But because we're not God, we can't kill people because they're in the way or kill people to get rich. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which kind of implies that God can do that. | ||
| It does feel that way. | ||
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| Why would God do that? | ||
| Why would you want a God who could do that? | ||
| God wants to get rich? | ||
| What is going on, man? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| What is happening? | ||
| Yeah, Tucker was really spinning his wheels. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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| I guess it really never occurred to me what it would be like to just be somebody who goes up on a stage in front of thousands of people and talks without chops, without having spent a long time figuring out, oh, I've got this bit, I've got this whole thing. | ||
| I've done this a million times. | ||
| Whenever I go out here, I am prepared for all of this stuff, right? | ||
| And I've got bits, and I've got material, and not just that, I've got the confidence in knowing that if my bits don't work, I'm in. | ||
| I can get in with these people and go. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is awful. | ||
| Yeah, and it's one of the things that actually sticks out about the difference between Tucker and Alex. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Is that Alex is working the crowd. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Tucker, they'll respond well to things when he says things they like. | ||
| But he has no control over the audience. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He is not in any way engaged in set-up punchline or the flow of how his monologue is going. | ||
| He's just famous, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, he's going to get a positive response throughout for most of whatever he says. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I just don't think he cares that much. | ||
| And he sounds really stupid. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's so weird. | ||
| It's so weird because you expect like, oh... | ||
| The people at that spot doing those things have to have worked their way up there. | ||
| And then it's like, man, I can go to a thousand... | ||
| Two-year-in stand-up comics who have put more thought into the three minutes they're going to do to nobody than Tucker has. | ||
| I think Tucker has gotten to the point where he can do an opening monologue for a TV show in his sleep. | ||
| And I think that that's kind of some of the vibe that he's giving off here. | ||
| Which doesn't fully work in a live environment, but he's playing with the crowd enough that it's not like... | ||
| Totally jarring. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But there's enough points where there's a disconnect that it feels like a more capable hand could have done better here. | ||
| So Tucker goes on and sounds like an idiot some more. | ||
| The one thing they're good at, the only thing, their unique talent is not building anything. | ||
| It's not creating anything. | ||
| When was the last time someone built something beautiful and useful in Reading? | ||
| What is the last time one of your leaders is like, you know, we're going to make it better in Redding? | ||
| Well, it's been a long time. | ||
| Josh Shapiro hasn't done it. | ||
| But the one thing they are good at is seizing the moral high ground. | ||
| Immediately. | ||
| No matter what they're doing, whether it's giving drugs to junkies, crack pipes to crackheads. | ||
| Abetting the largest example of human trafficking in the history of the West, which is what they're doing right now as they move 15 million people illegally into our country from around the world. | ||
| The girls get sold off to coyotes. | ||
| They did that. | ||
| They're human traffickers at scale. | ||
| This dude sounds like an angsty teen yelling about his parents, which makes sense considering all the other shit he said in the speech. | ||
| Immigration isn't human trafficking and I don't particularly care about whining about who has a moral high ground. | ||
| That's abstract and kind of subjective, so it's not really a productive conversation. | ||
| However, the Northeast Fire Station in Redding had their grand opening on September 21st, just a few days before Tucker's show. | ||
| This is a very modern fire station that was in the works for almost a decade, and they literally had their ribbon-cutting ceremony a few days before this. | ||
| They used $5 million from the federal government under the American Rescue Plan, and it'll be able to serve the community much better than their previous outdated firehouse, not to mention the amenities it'll provide for the firefighters when they're not responding to calls. | ||
| It's a huge improvement. | ||
| About a month before this, the Reading Skate Park Association finally opened a public outdoor skate park after years of trying to get this done. | ||
| They had a dedication ceremony in late August, and it was made possible by a $200,000 grant from the Department of Conservation and Natural Resources, as well as $200,000 from the America Rescue Plan and $855,000 from the Capital Improvement Program. | ||
| It really feels like Tucker just doesn't care at all to know about any of the stuff he says. | ||
| Because the thing he plans on saying feels good, and the audience doesn't care if he's being accurate or not. | ||
| It comes off as very dumb, but also cynical and malicious towards the crowd. | ||
| When's the last time that they did anything here in Reading? | ||
| A couple days ago they opened this fucking firehouse. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It is so much... | ||
| It's not perfect, but there is a counterexample of what you're fucking talking about. | ||
| No, it's disdain. | ||
| It's disgust. | ||
| Like, the idea isn't... | ||
| Because he's not coming in saying, oh, what is the government? | ||
| The government hasn't built this for you. | ||
| He thinks he's saying that, but what he's actually saying to these people is, you can't do anything for yourselves. | ||
| You know? | ||
| I mean... | ||
| Your children. | ||
| You're not a community. | ||
| You're just a bunch of idiots. | ||
| You have fingerprints. | ||
| You're fucking people. | ||
| If something happens to you, none of you are capable of banding together and helping each other. | ||
| If you need something, none of you are capable of coming together and figuring out a way to get it. | ||
| It does not come off complimentary. | ||
| No. | ||
| Towards... | ||
| What he seems to think. | ||
| No, he's just a giant piece of shit, man. | ||
| But he also seems to be trying to do some bad comedy. | ||
| This next clip, I think, kind of fits that. | ||
| It's really weird. | ||
| There was an analysis done. | ||
| Bobby Kennedy told me this, and I checked it. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| In the last election, Biden voters own 70% of the wealth in the United States. | ||
| And Trump voters own 30%. | ||
| And I thought to myself, on the one hand, it's like, okay, the Republican Party is now the party of working class people. | ||
| Great. | ||
| But then I thought, how did they get 70% of the wealth? | ||
| They don't do anything, actually. | ||
| They have no skills. | ||
| There's nothing they do that we really need. | ||
| In fact, most of it's bad. | ||
| I mean, ask yourself, if your average Biden voter somehow, like, got pulled out of the workforce, would you be okay? | ||
| No, I'm really. | ||
| Like, how long do you think this country could survive without private equity? | ||
| A week? | ||
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Before we all just starve to death. | |
| How long could you and your family make it without a DEI consultant on site? | ||
| No, I'm serious. | ||
| Could you get to Halloween? | ||
| Or would one of your little children stare up at you with doe eyes and say, Mommy, I need a DEI consultant. | ||
| I need it now. | ||
| I need it now. | ||
| Honestly, I need a school counselor or some heavyset nurse to convince me to go trans. | ||
| I need that. | ||
| Honestly, I need Tim Walls talking to me about my sex life in high school. | ||
| So that thing he's citing about Bobby Kennedy that told him it's not true. | ||
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No. | |
| He's misinterpreting data that showed the counties that voted for Biden represented about 70% of the aggregate gross domestic product. | ||
| That's not the same thing as Biden voters holding 70% of the wealth. | ||
| Bobby Kennedy's a fucking mess, so who knows what he actually understands. | ||
| But I don't believe that Tucker doesn't know that he's misrepresenting this stat for malicious purposes. | ||
| Also, he makes an interesting argument that Biden voters are unessential. | ||
| Alex has spent years talking about how calling some workers unessential during the pandemic was the first step in a plan to killing off most of the population. | ||
| So shouldn't that same logic apply to Tucker? | ||
| No, probably not. | ||
| If you listen to that clip, though, you can see a very fascinating glimpse into what this is versus what Tucker probably thinks this is. | ||
| He's doing his little riff about how Biden voters aren't important, and he asks how long can we live without private equity? | ||
| The room is silent. | ||
| No one responds to that, no one thinks it's funny, and no one cares. | ||
| Then, he shits on the idea of a DEI consultant, and the place pops off. | ||
| because that's what this show is about. | ||
| The audience just wants to yell about the things they're supposed to be mad about, like wokeness. | ||
| It's a dumb show, but on some level, I think Tucker wants to be doing something that has a more potent critique of things like private equity. | ||
| But if you listen to this, it couldn't be more clear that these people just want to hear him say shitty stuff about the groups they don't like, so they can register their approval with cheers. | ||
| Yep. | ||
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That's what Tucker's work is. | |
| He tries to make a dig at something that's a real problem in the country Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Play Hotel California, Eagles. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Shut the fuck up and play Hotel California. | ||
| All right? | ||
| Maybe life's been good to me so far. | ||
| I know that's not an Eagles song as a Joe Walsh solo, but still we want to hear it. | ||
| So I'm going to skip this next clip because I don't care. | ||
| It's just Tucker talking about how for a split second before she gathers herself, Kamala Harris looks scared when the cameras are on her. | ||
| Okay, great. | ||
| Don't care. | ||
| Every time? | ||
| All the time. | ||
| Every time. | ||
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Okay. | |
| So Jack Posobiec is the first guest he brings out. | ||
| And I don't care. | ||
| I went and got a pretzel in the middle of it. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I don't give a shit about Jack Posobiec. | ||
| He seems like a kid who's trying too hard. | ||
| And I don't believe him. | ||
| But he's promoting his book. | ||
| He has a book called Bulletproof. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| We talked about this. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| He stopped the printing of it because there was a second shooting. | ||
| Yes. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| I recall. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so... | ||
| This has developed. | ||
| And now he's not just doing a book. | ||
| He's doing a full-on investigation of these assassinations. | ||
| Tucker, I don't trust Josh Shapiro. | ||
| I definitely don't trust Merrick Garland. | ||
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So what we've decided to do with this, it started as a book. | |
| We're launching our own investigation into what went on, and we've hired a private investigative firm, and some of whom are actually in the crowd today, just FYI. | ||
| And we are going to be expanding that investigation from Bethel Park to Butler, down to West Palm Beach, all the way out to Hawaii. | ||
| Tucker, we're going to go to Ukraine if we have to. | ||
| We are going to get to the bottom of what happened. | ||
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We're calling it the Bulletproof Project, because I just don't trust any of these people. | |
| I don't trust any of these people. | ||
| Be careful in Ukraine. | ||
| I may not go personally again over there, but the one thing that we have learned, Tucker, is this bounty, the $150,000, and I promised people that I would drop some news, so I had the information about the bounty on Friday. | ||
| We found that out today. | ||
| I didn't know the Department of Justice would be publicizing the bounty like it's a John Wick movie, right? | ||
| And they put it out there. | ||
| Matt Gaetz comes on my show a couple of days ago and he says there's five assassination teams targeting Trump. | ||
| Five assassination teams, three of which have foreign ties. | ||
| I think we know one of them already. | ||
| And then two of which are domestic. | ||
| What people need to understand is the bounty and the five assassination teams are tied. | ||
| It's like they're actually competing for this bounty. | ||
| Donald Trump's very life is on the line, and every time he goes up to speak now, he has to stand behind what I call leftist glass because they keep trying to kill him. | ||
| He's a brave man. | ||
| So, as the premise for a sincere investigation, this sounds so stupid, but it kind of sounds like a good book launch campaign. | ||
| It does sound pretty good for launching a book. | ||
| Yeah, pretending to be investigating a rash of assassination attempts in an effort to create an over-dramatized story you sell as a book, or maybe a series of books. | ||
| Maybe a documentary. | ||
| That's a good scam, but this dude just sounds like a fucking dork. | ||
| Does he actually think that there are multiple professional assassin teams that would accept an open, competitive contract to kill the former president for a hundred years? | ||
| That's nothing! | ||
| It's ridiculous. | ||
| Are you telling me that, like... | ||
| We could crown fund the murder of a president? | ||
| I get that it sounds like a lot of money to you or me in our lives, but in the world of crime, that's jack shit. | ||
| Alex brings in more than that many days just from the InfoWars store on a single day. | ||
| There's no way that's the going rate for presidential-level assassins. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| How does he think this plays out? | ||
| Like, someone kills Trump and then they call the State Department looking for payment? | ||
| Like, do they invoice the globalists? | ||
| Do you need to bring a vial of his blood to prove you did it? | ||
| What do you do? | ||
| I mean, well... | ||
| This is dumb. | ||
| This is stupid. | ||
| This is just too stupid. | ||
| You have to leave a calling card, obviously. | ||
| You have to leave your fucking assassin team's Joker card. | ||
| I should have thought of that. | ||
| And that way everybody will be like, oh, it was them! | ||
| And then it'll turn out that actually that is your calling card, the assassin team, that frames other assassin teams. | ||
| Obviously, if you're doing this and you succeed, you're going to get set up. | ||
| They're not going to pay you that $150,000. | ||
| We've all seen this movie. | ||
| It's a trap. | ||
| What is wrong with you? | ||
| What are you, a bargain assassin? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is dumb. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| But fun. | ||
| So Tucker begins to bring out Alex. | ||
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Sure. | |
| And you can tell, the room, the energy shifted. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| People were real excited. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I want to bring out our next guest, who... | ||
| And let me just say, we had a little trouble finding an arena that would take him because he's so controversial. | ||
| And I'm grateful to where we are right now and to the people of Pennsylvania. | ||
| But let me just say... | ||
| So one thing you could feel in the room was the intensity of the response that Alex got was way higher than for Jack. | ||
| And probably on par with or higher than the response for Tucker. | ||
| This was a crowd that was excited about the idea of seeing Alex. | ||
| I'm a hater. | ||
| I love shit on Alex for his embarrassments. | ||
| But in this case, it would be super unfair to do that. | ||
| The crowd was into him being introduced, and there were a bunch of Infowars shirts in the crowd. | ||
| He had fans in the building. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| There's something about the way Tucker stops himself before thanking the arena that makes me think they told him not to say their name. | ||
| Probably smart. | ||
| I don't know if that was part of the agreement of doing the show, but it feels intentional. | ||
| It's either that or he just, like, forgot the... | ||
| Venue's name. | ||
| Also possible. | ||
| Also possible. | ||
| He's a piece of shit. | ||
| Could go either way. | ||
| It's pretty conspicuous. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Tucker is bringing out Alex, and the only rationale that he ever gives for being like, Alex is cool, is that he predicted 9-11. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And so that's the credit. | ||
| Is that really all we're going to do, huh? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So Alex Jones is one of those people you're supposed to be very shocked by. | ||
| Here's the one fact about Alex Jones that I can't get over. | ||
| Alex Jones predicted 9-11. | ||
| Think about this for a sec. | ||
| And he did so on tape. | ||
| Now, I worked in television my whole life. | ||
| When you're on TV, there's a timestamp. | ||
| We don't need to guess. | ||
| I'm on TV for decades saying super dumb things which live forever on YouTube. | ||
| Alex Jones, in the summer of 2001, said... | ||
| You need to call the White House right now because planes are going to hit the World Trade Center and they're going to blame it on Osama bin Laden. | ||
| He said that. | ||
| I've seen the tape. | ||
| You can look it up. | ||
| So, no, check this out. | ||
| So I lived in D.C. at the time. | ||
| Trust me, I had a daily news show on another channel. | ||
| Not one person was saying anything like that. | ||
| So Alex Jones says that it's on tape. | ||
| We can prove he said that. | ||
| It happens. | ||
| Why didn't the U.S. government call Alex Jones and say, We need you in this global war on terror because clearly you can see things that nobody else can see. | ||
| That's incredible. | ||
| Have you even met anybody who's predicted something like that? | ||
| No, you haven't. | ||
| I've never met anybody who did anything like that. | ||
| But instead of celebrating Alex Jones for making the most Unbelievable call in the history of the news business. | ||
| They set about the FBI sets about trying to destroy him. | ||
| And so begins this incredible saga of lies about Alex Jones, which you probably all heard about. | ||
| I'm not going to relitigate it, but that was the FBI that did that. | ||
| Probably best not to relitigate that. | ||
| So we've been over this a bunch of times, but Tucker is talking about an edited clip of Alex that he's seen and he's never thought to look more into. | ||
| Alex said multiple different things, but not together. | ||
| He said that people should call the White House and tell them not to blame a false flag on bin Laden. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| He also speculated that the World Trade Center was a potential target because bin Laden had already attacked the World Trade Center, and this was not an uncommon prediction, particularly in conspiracy media at the time, like with Bill Cooper. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Alex did not say they were going to fly... | ||
| Planes into the World Trade Center and blame bin Laden. | ||
| He listed using dummy planes to create fake civilian casualties as one of the long list of things that were mentioned in Operation Northwoods. | ||
| These things that Alex said during his broadcast have been spliced together to make it look like a much more coherent prediction than it was, and he's managed to fool Tucker Carlson, which honestly doesn't seem that hard. | ||
| Someone talked him into supporting the Iraq war, so I don't really have a high expectation for his ability to assess information. | ||
| Also, I take some offense at the way that Tucker is derisively saying the words war on terror, as if the very idea is a joke. | ||
| His career is built on defending that idea. | ||
| Shifting your position on something like this requires accountability, which he has not taken. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| And I find that to just be really gross. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Yep, yep, yep. | ||
| Fuck these people. | ||
| Throw them off the ship, bro! | ||
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Yep. | |
| Get them out of here! | ||
| So we, you know, I think... | ||
| It's sensible to think like, eh, Tucker's putting up with Alex. | ||
| But he wants to make it clear in this beginning that, no, I love this man. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| He is the most amazing person I have ever met in my life. | ||
| Great. | ||
| If there's one thing to know about Alex Jones, it's that. | ||
| And on the basis of that, I will always believe and I will always say in public that Alex Jones is the most extraordinary person I've ever met. | ||
| On the basis of that. | ||
| I am proud to have him. | ||
| Not having him here because it's like naughty. | ||
| Ooh, Alex Jones. | ||
| It's like, no, no. | ||
| I'm proud to know Alex Jones. | ||
| I'm proud to know the person who tried to warn the country about the worst terror attack in our history and was persecuted for it. | ||
| And with that, ladies and gentlemen, Alex Jones. | ||
| It's so funny. | ||
| Going back to the point... | ||
| That intro was too good. | ||
| Well, it's true. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| Tucker's the best, not me. | ||
| Tucker! | ||
| Talker! | ||
| Talker! | ||
| Immediately working the crowd. | ||
| Yep, yep. | ||
| They cut out some of the, like, him coming out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it was just like a big pop. | ||
| You know, like, I don't know why they cut it out, but they edited a little bit there. | ||
| But nothing really wild happened. | ||
| Yeah, so they could say it was a 10-minute long-standing ovation. | ||
| It probably was. | ||
| Yeah, so there you go. | ||
| It was a long-standing ovation. | ||
| That's worth cutting it out. | ||
| I don't know if it was 10 minutes. | ||
| Too long. | ||
| It was... | ||
| Too long. | ||
| It felt weird. | ||
| I bet. | ||
| Alex coming out with Chase Geyser behind him with the camera. | ||
| So weird. | ||
| What are these people doing? | ||
| So, Tucker refuses to be ashamed to know Alex. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Cool, man. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Good for you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Proud of you. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And it goes back to what I was saying earlier, that the only thing they're good at is seizing the moral high ground, and they try to make you ashamed of the best things about your life, like being married or having normal kids or not castrating your children or whatever, or knowing Alex Jones. | ||
| Like, oh, how can you know Alex Jones? | ||
| And I'm sick of it. | ||
| And I'm just going to say that Alex Jones is my friend. | ||
| There's nothing to be ashamed of there. | ||
| You're not ashamed, and you shouldn't be either. | ||
| They should be ashamed. | ||
| He called 9 /11, and they tried to put him in jail for it. | ||
| So anyway, thank you. | ||
| Well, thanks for having me. | ||
| I gotta say... | ||
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I love ya. | |
| This is a beautiful state full of beautiful people, and when we get President Trump elected, all of us together are gonna lift the curse off of this country, and we're gonna send the globalists to prison! | ||
| Alex knows not to end anything he's saying without some kind of a giant applause line. | ||
| And so he... | ||
| That's the way you do it. | ||
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Yes. | |
| What else are you there for? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it's a little too much. | ||
| It's a little too much? | ||
| How long does he got? | ||
| I mean, the whole show is about an hour and a half. | ||
| Tucker probably did about 15, 20-ish up top. | ||
| Jack Posobiec does about 20. So maybe Alex is on stage for 45 minutes or so. | ||
| And he can't keep that energy up. | ||
| It's too hot. | ||
| And so that kind of... | ||
| There's diminishing returns. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure, sure. | ||
| It's quite boring as it goes along. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, no, your classic rules. | ||
| First 10's gotta be hot. | ||
| Middle 25, fucking, you know, have some fun. | ||
| That's Posobiec. | ||
| Closer's gotta be fire. | ||
| But the 10 minutes starting out top or whatever, the intro that Tucker did was not hot. | ||
| It was whiny. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it came off very weak. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And then you had Jake Posobiec on, and it was kind of... | ||
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Dull. | |
| And then Alex comes in and business picks up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because he's yelling, Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| And he knows what the audience wants to react to. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so he's giving them that in a much more... | ||
| Condensed. | ||
| And structured way. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Than anyone else is. | ||
| And that's kind of all he's doing. | ||
| That's what he's there for. | ||
| It is amazing to meet all these great people, whether they're black, white, old, young, to see the electricity in people's eyes that are populist and that are Americans and that love God and that love children and love freedom and hate tyranny. | ||
| I can feel the strength in this auditorium and capacity in Redding, Pennsylvania. | ||
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And like I told The Globalist a long time ago. | |
| I don't know how all this is going to end, but if they want to fight, they better believe they've got one! | ||
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Hey, you said it! | |
| You said the thing! | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Fun. | ||
| There it is. | ||
| So there is something that's really strange about this that I wouldn't have really understood if I wasn't there. | ||
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Uh-huh. | |
| And that is that Alex is staring off into the middle distance the whole time. | ||
| Great. | ||
| There is an intensity that he is not looking at Jack. | ||
| Or Tucker. | ||
| Because I think that he would get cues from them to shut up. | ||
| Yeah, that would be a problem. | ||
| Yeah, and so he's just looking off into nowhere, being like, the globalists want to kill everybody. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| And it feels bizarrely antisocial. | ||
| I can get no social cues, and thus I am free. | ||
| Yeah, I will feel bad if I get that look from Tucker that he wants to say something. | ||
| Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so... | ||
| As you're there, I mean, obviously it's an arena, and so you don't see that, they're pretty small on stage. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So you see the, like, video shot of their, like, you know, the big screen. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure. | ||
| And a lot of the time when it's Alex talking, they're very careful not to show Tucker, because I think he might have been... | ||
| Because he's annoyed, yeah. | ||
| Because he won't shut the fuck up. | ||
| Amused and somewhat annoyed at points. | ||
| I like the idea of an aggressive... | ||
| Solipsism competition. | ||
| So you're in the same room. | ||
| How can you possibly not believe that there's another human being there? | ||
| Guess what? | ||
| This is how. | ||
| Good luck pretending I don't exist. | ||
| I'm loud. | ||
| And I won't shut up. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| So Jack brings up that Alex is anti-war. | ||
| And that's something that is a real credit. | ||
| To him. | ||
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Okay. | |
| The one thing I always give Alex props for that no one ever gives him credit for. | ||
| Alex Jones has stood against war for 30 years every single day of his career. | ||
| But I'm for the war peacefully with information against the globalists. | ||
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The real war is here with the News and Soros and Obama and the New World Order and BlackRock. | |
| They have to carry on us and we accept the challenge. | ||
| We're taking the country back. | ||
| Amen. | ||
|
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1776. | |
| 1776! | ||
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This is junk food. | |
| You tell them. | ||
| The answer to 1984 is 1776! | ||
| 1776! | ||
| It began right here! | ||
| 1776! | ||
| 1776! | ||
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You know, Alex, you know, Alex, the real... | |
| We're only about an hour away from where they did the real 1776. | ||
| That's why exactly! | ||
| Bless you for saying that. | ||
| Bless you for saying that. | ||
| This is so weird. | ||
| He's coming out too hot. | ||
| Yeah, this is too much. | ||
| It's too hot. | ||
| I feel like I need to brush my teeth. | ||
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This is saccharine sweet. | |
| But man, they're loving it. | ||
| Oh yeah, hell yeah! | ||
| Oh, everybody loves that first bite. | ||
| The pep rally vibe. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Are they going somewhere after this? | ||
| I mean, Alex is clearly keeping the party going. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Like, they're like, yeah, let's go to the store! | ||
| Like, what are we doing? | ||
| Are we getting drunk? | ||
| What's happening? | ||
| I did overhear a lot of people talking about drinking at the hotel bar. | ||
| Good. | ||
| Next door. | ||
| I would need to do that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Tucker asks Alex a question, which I think is foolish in this environment. | ||
| But it's a question that's about, like, All of these secular people in my life, they've been talking about God a lot lately. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| What do you think about that? | ||
| What do you think about that? | ||
| And then Alex just kind of, I mean, why ask him questions? | ||
| Why would you, what? | ||
| It's just to get going down this road. | ||
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Wind him up! | |
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And in the last year, I know more people in my secular world who are mentioning God in conversation. | ||
| And I don't know if you're having this experience. | ||
| Very striking to me. | ||
| Do you notice this? | ||
| When we followed God, we had nothing but prosperity and success. | ||
| When we got rid of God, everything fell apart. | ||
| I mean, people think Texas is a boom place. | ||
| It's got the crime, the filth, the Satanism, the degeneracy, the pedophiles. | ||
| Pennsylvania, gorgeous state, fell apart in 10 years. | ||
| California, one of the most beautiful places in the world. | ||
| Total deep red. | ||
| Ronald Reagan, total crap hole now. | ||
| So this is about God? | ||
| And people are recognizing that because now they understand we're getting sucked down a vortex into literal hell. | ||
| We've got to reach back up to God and God will take us out of this. | ||
| Man. | ||
| You've been saying that for decades. | ||
| I've always wondered. | ||
| I've asked you this like 20 times in private over dinner. | ||
| I'm proud to say we have dinner. | ||
| But I ask you this, and you never give me a straight answer, but since there are thousands of people watching, maybe you will now. | ||
| What's it like to be vindicated on everything? | ||
| How does this handjob feel? | ||
| Good? | ||
| A little rubbery? | ||
| You know what? | ||
| It turns out I like a firm handjob. | ||
| Your limp shit is not doing me any good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Oh, boy. | |
| So Alex's question at least kind of got, or his answer kind of got back to God. | ||
| We're being sucked into the vortex that hell and God will save us, or whatever. | ||
| It doesn't really directly address the secular people talking about God, but whatever. | ||
| It's close enough. | ||
| But then that question, what does it feel like to be vindicated about everything, is... | ||
| Greenwalled level. | ||
| This is sad. | ||
| Yep. | ||
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Yep. | |
| How does it feel to be the most right? | ||
| But also, if you say something that disagrees with me, I'm more right than you, but also we won't talk about it on the stage. | ||
| So when Alex is being confronted with a question like, how does it feel to be vindicated about everything? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He starts to realize, I think, a bunch of the shit I said hasn't come true. | ||
| There is that. | ||
| We're supposed to be having an Ebola outbreak right now. | ||
| That would be big. | ||
| And that did not happen. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| So hold on. | ||
| I need to explain this somehow. | ||
| No, you don't. | ||
| Yeah, he does. | ||
| No, you don't. | ||
| And here's... | ||
| This is genius. | ||
| I was making predictions with a proviso. | ||
| That if you call the White House and tell them don't fly planes to the World Trade Center and then bring in the police state and then invade the Muslim countries to bring them in here, not even go after radical Islam, if you do all... | ||
| I was saying if you call the White House and tell them don't do it, they may not do it. | ||
| But of course, I'd have a big enough audience, people didn't believe me, so we couldn't stop them. | ||
| So I make these predictions about probable futures because I can see all the evidence pointing towards it so that we can stop it. | ||
| But now the good news with Elon and you and so many others that are fully awake and reaching... | ||
| A lot more people than I ever did. | ||
| Folks are really waking up, and their knowledge curve is going parabolic right now. | ||
| So we're in the driver's seat, but that makes the globalists very dangerous, and the empire is going to strike back. | ||
| How? | ||
| Well, they always love to pre-program it, so Klaus Schwab is, a cyber attack will make COVID look like a minor inconvenience. | ||
| Kind of in a Russian accent instead of a German one. | ||
| Of course, you will eat the bugs and you will love it, but these are real quotes. | ||
| We don't need too many people in the future to polish the robots. | ||
| These are real quotes. | ||
| They're real quotes. | ||
| We got kind of a Boris and Natasha. | ||
| Then we got a Marvin the Martian. | ||
| And then I think we ended with a Schwarzenegger. | ||
| The Marvin the Martian might have actually been Dr. Strangelove. | ||
| Oh, I can see that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I feel like he's done that before. | ||
| I can see that. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So, I think that it's... | ||
| Good form. | ||
| To explain away why you're wrong about everything, because your predictions stopped these horrible things. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, he stopped the Ebola outbreak, because he talked about it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Perfect. | ||
| I like the idea. | ||
| What a hero. | ||
| I like the idea that it is only because you weren't popular enough that 9-11 happened. | ||
| You could have saved the world from 9-11 if people liked you more back then. | ||
| If I understand correctly, if Alex was more popular, we wouldn't have had 9-11. | ||
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Yep. | |
| That's a real tragedy, that people were resistant to his charm. | ||
| I mean, I guess if we're going to do a Donnie Darko-style, where-did-it-all-go-wrong time loop close, we've got to make Alex Jones a lot more popular in July of 2001. | ||
| Yep, that's the key. | ||
| That sounds right. | ||
| So I'm going to give you a choice. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Run away from reading, Pennsylvania. | ||
| Is that how the Choose Your Own Adventure works? | ||
| I did want it to end. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I definitely was like, I'm glad that Alex is getting the adoration of this crowd. | ||
| I'm sure that's really happy for him. | ||
| I'm sure it feels good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it's boring as shit. | ||
| And he's just saying a lot of the same shit I hear him say all the time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And Tucker's thing was really far more interesting from a psychodynamic perspective. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure, sure. | ||
| But here's my choice. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| For you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I have a clip of Alex talking for two straight minutes. | ||
| And it's nonsense. | ||
| Do you want to hear that or not? | ||
| I mean... | ||
| Barely taking a breath. | ||
| In all honesty, I might fall asleep. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But go for it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All you folks just want to be good, decent people and live a good life and experience God's great creation and love God. | ||
| You need to be gotten out of the way for the rise of their new Uber-mentioned Superman. | ||
| So we're right back to all of that. | ||
| And that's why you have the official plan of depopulation by the UN down to 500 million. | ||
| That's an 80-plus percent reduction. | ||
| That's official. | ||
| That was on the Georgia Guidestones in Georgia until somebody blew it up. | ||
| But nobody got hurt, thank God. | ||
| So the agenda is you're garbage. | ||
| You're just a consumer. | ||
| You're like weevils in the pantry eating their flour or something. | ||
| And you just have to be gotten rid of because you don't fit into their beautiful, magic, wonderful plan. | ||
| I was watching the Davos group. | ||
| They have meetings all the time at their World Government Summit about a year ago. | ||
| Through a Palantir? | ||
| How were you watching that? | ||
| He said, listen, people don't want your world government. | ||
| It centralizes things. | ||
| It's tyranny. | ||
| People are rejecting you. | ||
| We need diversity of countries and sovereignty and peoples, like firewalls in a building or bulkheads in a ship. | ||
| But in some of the other meetings, they had these globals that were going, we're just doing something so beautiful, what we're bringing them. | ||
| I don't know why they're opposing us and don't trust us. | ||
| Well, because you just want to depopulate us because you're selfish, demonic pigs who love the raw power of destroying people because America, for all its faults, was the best house in a bad neighborhood, and the whole world... | ||
| The whole world for 100 to 200 plus years, but really the last 100, aspired to come here, aspired to have our freedom. | ||
| And the globalists can't have this country exist and have their horrible global technocracy, slave plantation, AI system in charge if there's a place that's still free and open compared to everywhere else. | ||
| So we've got to be brought down and used to bring tyranny to the world while we're being destroyed and while we're paying for it. | ||
| So the whole world turns against us and we collapse. | ||
| The idea of America is discredited so that other people around the world don't ever try to go the path of our republic, which is diametrically opposed to their globalist, satanic death cult. | ||
| And that's why they're attacking America. | ||
| So that kind of, I think, is representative of... | ||
| His whole thing. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Which is these long, fucking take a breath kind of rants where people are confused. | ||
| They don't really know what he's talking about. | ||
| They want to cheer sometimes. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But he's interrupting them. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He's on a razor's edge of saying stuff that's confusing and kind of boring. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Hitting applause lines, not accepting some applause points. | ||
| Standing on top of him, yeah. | ||
| Because he's worried that he's not going to get the mic back. | ||
| Right. | ||
| If he lets them applaud. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Because then Tucker or Jack can sneak in. | ||
| He kind of has no confidence in his ability to speak slowly and be listened to. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| And it just is... | ||
| Dumb. | ||
| I mean, I think his point that he's making is that if you don't want people to come here, you should turn it into a shithole. | ||
| And that's the globalist plan. | ||
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Ooh. | |
| But he doesn't want people to come here. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| So he should be a globalist. | ||
| I mean, I wish Tucker would ask him that. | ||
| I mean, it feels like a fairly simple, straightforward reading of they're trying to, we were a city on a hill, blah, blah, blah, Reagan. | ||
| Now they want to take that away because we can't be an inspiration to everybody else. | ||
| Everybody has wanted to come here. | ||
| I hate immigration because of Reagan. | ||
| Now it's a shithole, so people need to stop coming. | ||
| Yeah, makes sense. | ||
| Speaking of Reagan, I didn't cut out this clip, but there's a part where Alex is talking about Bohemian Grove. | ||
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Sure. | |
| And he's like, yeah, it used to be how they would compromise the Republicans by making them do gay stuff. | ||
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Yeah! | |
| And he's like, notoriously, Nixon and Reagan were the ones who said no. | ||
| And I'm like... | ||
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You had Bob Chapman on talking about a video of Reagan getting pegged. | |
| Reagan said, yeah, baby. | ||
| You're denying your own mythology. | ||
| Come on, man. | ||
| So, Tucker does not get to ask many questions or butt in all that much. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But he does say some stupid things. | ||
| The thing that I can't get past is to put the destruction of other human beings as a goal. | ||
| That's not a human desire. | ||
| Animals don't commit genocide, actually. | ||
| That's not natural. | ||
| That's not natural at all. | ||
| There may be people in your way, and you're a bad person, and you kill them, but the idea of desiring to kill huge numbers of people, that can only be supernatural, it feels like. | ||
| And that's what the Bible tells us, is there's an outside force. | ||
| Animals absolutely commit acts of genocide. | ||
| There are primate behaviors that fit this definition, and it's basically the whole idea of how lion social organization works. | ||
| Like, I do think that there is a philosophical argument you can make about animals not being capable of understanding an act of genocide. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But things that would descriptively be described, that's redundant, but as genocide are in the animal kingdom. | ||
| It's so stupid to just say, like, it must be a supernatural evil or whatever, but that's... | ||
| That's where they are. | ||
| Okay, so there's a bunch of wasps that, while you're still alive, they lay their eggs inside of you, and then you live, and then the eggs hatch and then eat you alive from the inside out. | ||
| So you're awake and conscious as your insides are being eaten by another animal's offspring. | ||
| That's just also out there in the normal world. | ||
| That's in the natural world? | ||
| Yeah, so I think... | ||
| That's not genocide. | ||
| No. | ||
| But it's weird. | ||
| It's freakier. | ||
| I would be less freaked out by somebody being like, we gotta kill everybody, than somebody being like, oh, I'm gonna lay my eggs inside of your body. | ||
| There's like funguses that can take over bugs' brains and shit. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| To the point where I saw an energy drink that said it had cordyceps in it, and I said, no. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no, no. | ||
| That's... | ||
| How do they get you? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Predictive programming. | ||
| I play Last of Us. | ||
| I'm not drinking this energy drink. | ||
| Yeah, not a chance. | ||
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Fuck you. | |
| Jesus Christ, people. | ||
| There's some strange stuff in the natural world that Tucker's not accounting for. | ||
| This is stupid. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So bring up the gay frogs thing. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Because Tucker's trying to whitewash and launder all of Alex's greatest hits. | ||
| I was talking to someone the other day who's not conservative who said to me off camera, you know, the chemicals... | ||
| And I didn't want to be mean. | ||
| I didn't want to be mean. | ||
| But I did say, are you telling me they're turning the frogs gay? | ||
| And this person didn't get the reference at all and goes, yeah, that's basically right. | ||
| Everything you've said about the chemical poisoning of the human body... | ||
| Is now just kind of accepted? | ||
| Like, is it weird to see science catch up to you? | ||
| Well, I mean, look, what happened, and I knew what they were doing. | ||
| This was like 15 years ago. | ||
| I did like an hour-long analysis from South African University, a University of Japan, a University of, I think, Rice, and the University of Berkeley in California, that just a little bit of atrazine would bend the gender of almost all the frogs, sterilize a lot of them, and turn a large portion of them, where they would try to have sex with males. | ||
| It confused them so much in their development. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You did all that science? | ||
| And then it turned out later that they were being directed by major foundations and the CIA. | ||
| They even later bragged, oh yeah, Chuck E. Schumer, we work with a body with him and a foundation. | ||
| They actually came to them with a script that said, attack Alex Jones. | ||
| Because they went, ignore the hour of serious stuff he talked about. | ||
| Make it a joke. | ||
| So their joke about frogs. | ||
| So there really never was that much controversy on the basis of the claim that Alex was making. | ||
| Those studies about atrazine were real. | ||
| He's just exaggerating them and applying them to things that didn't relate, like saying that because it could make frogs change sex, that the chemical could maybe do that to people. | ||
| Alex screamed about how the water was a gay bomb and all kinds of shit, desperately courting attention, and then some people gave it to him, generally by mocking him. | ||
| He's also fucking up his story here. | ||
| This was long ago. | ||
| And the whole thing about scripts and Chuck Schumer, that's a narrative he has about COVID and Jimmy Kimmel monologues. | ||
| He's just combining it all together because he knows that none of it's real and he has zero respect for the audience that he's speaking. | ||
| Was the CIA behind Conan's puppet thing? | ||
| Was that the reason he does the thing with his hips? | ||
| Was it the CIA who came up with that? | ||
| The same guys who were running the art shows for... | ||
| It's the Harvard lampoon! | ||
| I knew it all along! | ||
| It goes all the way to the top. | ||
| It goes all the way to the middle. | ||
| So Alex, I think, miscalculates a little bit. | ||
| I think he wants to impress people with, like, imagined primary sources, and it really felt, while I was there, like he was losing the audience a little bit here. | ||
| It's been known forever, and that's Bertrand Russell. | ||
| He wrote... | ||
| Boo! | ||
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He said, we ought to have a world government that just drops hydrogen bombs on most of the populations. | |
| Because they're too big a population will have wars. | ||
| We have to have a controlled nuclear war. | ||
| That'll fix it. | ||
| Sounds like him. | ||
| And he also went on to write a bunch of books. | ||
| You can go pull his quotes up. | ||
| And so... | ||
| Don't read the books. | ||
| They used to have all these top globalists, we're very honest about them in the 70s. | ||
| They used to have, like Paul Ehrlich, you can pull this up on Twitter or anywhere, X. Paul Ehrlich goes on a TV show in 79, one of the big... | ||
| Hollywood shows, he goes, listen, we're working with the foundations, and we're going to have every father figure be lazy and stupid and dumb, and that'll break up the family, and then the kids that do live, we'll control them by the state, but everybody else will abort the kids, because there's too many people, and we'll all be dead by 1987 at current rates. | ||
| It's a Malthusian. | ||
| None of it was true. | ||
| Like Al Gore was saying, by 2017, all the ice caps would melt. | ||
| They're bigger than ever. | ||
| It's all lies. | ||
| They know it is. | ||
| But back then, they were very honest about... | ||
| He was all over, you know, 60 Minutes, you name it. | ||
| Oh, yeah, we're going to destroy the family because the family creates people and too many people's bad. | ||
| They're public, so almost everything I say is from these dirtbag scumbags. | ||
| I mean, you go watch, you go read the World Economic Forum. | ||
| They say, no humans by 2045, only cyborgs. | ||
| So I think the audience was just kind of like, come on, man. | ||
| What are we doing here? | ||
| What are we doing here, buddy? | ||
| You won't stop talking. | ||
| There is no point to, like, there's no time when you're, like, given space to react. | ||
| There's nothing. | ||
| And you kind of just are like, wow. | ||
| You just keep saying things and people's names and... | ||
| Shit that's not real. | ||
| This feels more like a zoo than a show. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If you're an adult and you're looking at this, you should be like, this guy has problems. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You shouldn't think like, ah, this guy's interesting. | ||
| He's saying some hip stuff that maybe I should learn about. | ||
| He should give you a vibe that, like, something's wrong here. | ||
| No, I'm getting, like, because I'm trying to figure out what this is, because it's not a show. | ||
| It feels like a big tent. | ||
| Circus. | ||
| It feels like a freak show. | ||
| Like, they're wheeling in people that they keep in cages, and they're like, it's Jack Posobiec, the man who's afraid of pizza! | ||
| And then he's going, argh, like that. | ||
| On our last show, we had Kid Rock. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Like, this is... | ||
| Here's Alex Jones. | ||
| Tomorrow night, we got Roseanne. | ||
| This is wild. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is wild. | ||
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And... | |
| You're not even getting the visual aspect of it where Alex is looking off into the, like, not making eye contact with Tucker and just staring into nowhere while he's talking about all these Bertrand Russell sources. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| I mean, I don't know what other words. | ||
| It's just fucking strange. | ||
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It is trash. | |
| It's trash. | ||
| So I think Alex maybe is feeling a little bit of the, like, Not getting responses because he's not giving a place for responses to happen. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| And so he wants to sound really interesting. | ||
| And so he just talks about how globalists are creating aliens. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He talks about aliens and absolutely stuff going on. | ||
| The globalists are making aliens by mixing humans and other animals and insects and plants. | ||
| And then they put them, they chestate them and use cow uteruses to grow them. | ||
| This is going on everywhere. | ||
| So there's like a breakaway whole civilization that's separate from us, the globalists have, with life extension technologies and cures to cancer and Parkinson's. | ||
| But instead of giving us all the cures, they're keeping that for themselves, and they're just getting ready to wipe all us out so we don't even have access to that, whether you think of it as moral or not. | ||
| Whether you think of it as moral or not? | ||
| What? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| So we got aliens and cows. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah, we've talked about this a bit. | ||
| But are they... | ||
| Can you be an alien? | ||
| Period. | ||
| If you are gestated and born from a terrestrial animal? | ||
| If so, then so many existing animals that have been bred by animal husbandry are aliens. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know where the line is. | ||
| I think that's what I'm interested in right now. | ||
| After listening to all of this, I would like to know where the line between animal-human hybrid, alien, and just regular animal is. | ||
| I think I can give you a general sense. | ||
| Specialized dog breed? | ||
| Totally fine. | ||
| Because dogs and dogs and all this is all like, yeah, whatever. | ||
| Grasshopper and dog? | ||
| Alien. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| The combination doesn't fit. | ||
| I mean, but they can jump higher than pugs. | ||
| True. | ||
| Probably healthier, too. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Maybe? | ||
| Grasshoppers have regenerative properties. | ||
| You tear off one of their legs. | ||
| Too loud! | ||
| That's the problem with dog hoppers. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Too loud. | ||
| Barking and making noise with their feet? | ||
| No, get that shit out of here. | ||
| So I think people were interested by that. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Aliens and cows. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But also, he just keeps talking. | ||
| And it's weird. | ||
| Strange socially. | ||
| So Jack Posobiec is still there. | ||
| I think he was supposed to babysit Alex and keep him on track. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And he is doing none of that. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| He is doing nothing. | ||
| He is just sitting there passively while Alex steamrolls everything. | ||
| They need a shot caller for him. | ||
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| That's what you need. | ||
| You need a buzzer. | ||
| You need a shot caller. | ||
| You need something that will be silent enough but also noticeable enough. | ||
| Or Chase. | ||
| Because Chase actually He thinks Alex is cool. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so, like, if he was out on stage, maybe Alex would be playing to him as opposed to trying to avoid eye contact with Jack and Tucker. | ||
| He should be interviewing Chad GPT is what he should be doing. | ||
| He should. | ||
| He should. | ||
| So the whole Epstein thing comes up. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Right? | ||
| And Jack Posobiec is there, and he's like, hey, you know, Diddy, he's basically Epstein, right? | ||
| Yeah, let's talk about current events. | ||
| Hey, Tucker. | ||
| You should get Diddy on the show. | ||
| No! | ||
| It's very weird. | ||
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And so I used to think that, you know, we've got to protect Trump. | |
| We've got to keep him safe. | ||
| We've got to keep him safe. | ||
| Now I realize there's somebody else we've got to keep safe. | ||
| We've got to keep Diddy safe because that's the next guy they're going to go for. | ||
| This guy could tell us if you want to know how your government actually works, that's the guy we've got to talk to. | ||
| Tucker, I don't know. | ||
| Maybe you have an in. | ||
| Could you get Diddy on the tour, maybe? | ||
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No, I'm serious. | |
| I'm serious. | ||
| This is how they run the government, though. | ||
| He's definitely another Epstein operation. | ||
| There's an Epstein operation, and he's the black Epstein, okay? | ||
| He's just the black Epstein. | ||
| He's the black Epstein. | ||
| I don't think Tucker wants to have Diddy on the show, and Diddy might be busy. | ||
| He might be in jail. | ||
| I think so. | ||
| But yeah, it's such a strange idea for Jack to suggest. | ||
| And if I were a talker, I would not be thrilled about this being suggested. | ||
| Hey, maybe you have an in with this guy. | ||
| Why would I? | ||
| Well, I mean, I'm sure I do. | ||
| Yeah, I know him. | ||
| Yep, yep, yep, yep. | ||
| Probably defended him from cancel culture within the last six months. | ||
| I'm sure. | ||
| Ah, shit. | ||
| So, Alex talks about how, with the Epstein business and all these folks... | ||
| They're killing kids. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And it's a little uncomfortable. | ||
| And I'm going to play this clip, and you'll hear a little bit of silence where the audience is yelling some stuff out. | ||
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Uh-huh. | |
| And I'll tell you what that is on the other side. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And let me tell you, they're not just raping kids. | ||
| At Epstein Island and stuff, and I talked about it 15 years ago, I was first talking about it. | ||
| They're killing kids, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| So they're only talking about 15-year-old girls. | ||
| They kill them. | ||
| So can I just ask you to assess my last question to you, Alex Jones? | ||
| I'm not really sure how Kamala Harris became the Democratic nominee. | ||
| So this is one of the more uncomfortable points of the night. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Because people in the audience are yelling frazzledrip, which is a reference to a fake snuff film that allegedly exists where... | ||
| Hillary Clinton and Huma Abedin are killing a child and, like, drinking its blood and all this shit. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| It's a big QAnon thing. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And I do think it was audible from the stage. | ||
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Right. | |
| Like, I think they could hear that, and that threw off Tucker's ability to ask the next question. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And it was notable in the room. | ||
| Right. | ||
| People yelling, Frazzle drip. | ||
| It kind of was a harsh moment of, like, I think you're serious. | ||
| I think you're yelling that seriously. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| It was a bummer. | ||
| I desire record scratch sound effects when record scratch moments happen. | ||
| It feels like this would break a record. | ||
| It's like a non-stop series of... | ||
| It felt like that in the moment. | ||
| It did feel like there was a potential for Tucker not being able to grab the steering wheel or whatever. | ||
| He manages okay, but there's those moments where you can hear somebody yelling some stuff out, and that's what's going on. | ||
| I think he's shaken by that, because he realizes maybe how far some of these people are. | ||
| That are in the audience who are yelling shit out at him. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| I imagine... | ||
| Okay, so here's the screen. | ||
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Talk about the stuff, Phil! | |
| Here's the way this goes. | ||
| Here's the way this goes. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Somebody's shouting that out. | ||
| And then we... | ||
| We don't jump cut. | ||
| We smash cut. | ||
| To the pearly gates. | ||
| And God goes like, I bet you're all wondering how we got here. | ||
| And then the movie starts probably the same as 2001. | ||
| It starts with Tucker seeing a picture of Josh Shapiro signing a bomb and getting really mad while he's at the park. | ||
| Some shit. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| So I found most of the rest of Alex's stuff just kind of not interesting, honestly. | ||
| I'm shocked you found this interesting! | ||
| I don't think the audience of our podcast necessarily... | ||
| And you've got to change your values. | ||
| To where you don't care what the world says or what the system says. | ||
| You care to do what the conscience that God gave you, that guardian angel that you know is right there looking over your shoulder, tells you to do. | ||
| And you've got to not be a coward and you've got to be strong. | ||
| And the minute you step across that point, you don't even have courage anymore. | ||
| You're on a mission and you're not possessed by the Holy Spirit, but you let it in and it's now driving and in control. | ||
| And now you... | ||
| We've got God behind you, and nobody can stand against us if God's with us. | ||
| Well, that is a hopeful note, and I think that's true. | ||
| And with that, Alex Jones, Jack Posobiec, I'm proud to be friends with both of you. | ||
| Good for you. | ||
| I think that it was notable within the last, like, 10, 15 minutes, there were people just kind of trying to beat traffic and leaving. | ||
| I thought Alex's voice might give out at a certain point, because he was, like I said, he came in too hot. | ||
| Yeah, that's non-stop yelling. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It doesn't feel like he was drinking a lot of water appropriately. | ||
| No. | ||
| No, he was hydrating a little. | ||
| Could have been Tito's. | ||
| You gotta go hard. | ||
| You gotta go hard on the water. | ||
| On the water. | ||
| Because the alcohol is just gonna ruin your voice even more. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, the show wraps up. | ||
| We leave. | ||
| And I'm going to get a lift back to the hotel. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| My hotel that I'm staying at. | ||
| And we're walking down the street. | ||
| Because you've got to get a little ways from the arena before you want to call a ride. | ||
| No, of course. | ||
| And so we're walking. | ||
| And we stop. | ||
| Me and Amanda stop for a little bit. | ||
| And we hear a yell from the crowd that is still around the arena. | ||
| Which is about a block. | ||
| Over to the side. | ||
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| Not very far away. | ||
| And it's like, oh, what's going on? | ||
| It must be the InfoWars mobile or whatever. | ||
| Something. | ||
| The motorcade has come out really fast after the show. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| They leave real fast. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| And there's a big whoop from the crowd. | ||
| Everyone's very excited to wave at Alex as he drives by. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I realize they're coming in our direction. | ||
| And so I stand on the street. | ||
| I am not behind a bunch of people. | ||
| I'm just standing there. | ||
| Right. | ||
| As their motorcade drives by. | ||
| The first car, I don't really see who's in there. | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| Maybe Alex's car. | ||
| Second car drives by. | ||
| Chase Geyser in the passenger seat. | ||
| Drives right by me. | ||
| Might have been five, six feet away from me. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| He was smiling like the happy, like the cat that ate the canary. | ||
| He was having the time of his life. | ||
| I bet he was. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| There was somebody. | ||
| There were not all that many people on the street who were watching the motorcade go by. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But there was one person who was bowing at the cars. | ||
| And I thought that was really, really sad. | ||
| But yeah, I was pretty close to Chase Geyser, and my reaction to it was just kind of like, I don't think I even wanted him to see me, but I was shaking my head. | ||
| I think it was just an involuntary response. | ||
| Just like, this isn't how the world's supposed to work. | ||
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Not even that. | |
| It was just like, come on. | ||
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Nah, get out of here. | |
| Come on. | ||
| Nah. | ||
| So yeah, I got to the hotel, went back, flew back the next day. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Been processing it since. | ||
| It kind of was stupid. | ||
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That's it. | |
| That's all I really come away with. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I didn't need to go. | ||
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Sure. | |
| I guess I'm glad I went. | ||
| And that I got to see those vibes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I got to feel something. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But the show sucked. | ||
| It wasn't a show! | ||
| Tell that to the fucking singing impressionist. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| He was giving his all. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In fact, I take it back. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Out of respect for him. | ||
| For him, that was show business. | ||
| That was show business. | ||
| I take it back. | ||
| I take it back. | ||
| I thought, yeah, you're right. | ||
| I think twice during his set, he referred to his own set as a Las Vegas quality G-rated entertainment. | ||
| God, I love stand-up sometimes. | ||
| Sometimes I just love comedy. | ||
| I just really do. | ||
| He was Jay Harrisian. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Yep. | ||
| He had the diamond of J's. | ||
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But... | |
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| I'm conflicted because I don't regret it. | ||
| But I also don't think I added that much to my life by going. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I can't have been like, I'm so glad I was there. | ||
| I got to see it in person. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| It's not that. | ||
| Well, it's never going to be that. | ||
| I'm not going to tell the grandkids about it. | ||
| No. | ||
| No. | ||
| But I mean, what's, you know. | ||
| What's life? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, it's not, you know, going to the fucking post office is an adventure if you have a better point of view on life than I do. | ||
| I guess the one thing that sticks in the craw a little bit is I do think that Alex's audience, there's more than you might like to imagine. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| There were a ton of Infowars shirts there. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Now, granted, I don't know how many people flew in from where or whatever, but he didn't sell the place out, but he's not a non-existent draw. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So that's something. | ||
| And that kind of is... | ||
| But then the other thing is that I think Tucker is much more interesting than I think. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I feel like I want to talk about him more after this. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| The idea that he wants the government to love him like a parent is really weird. | ||
| It's really fucked up. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And that people would cheer for that is even more fucked up. | ||
| And I ask myself, is that a consistent belief he holds? | ||
| Is that something he was just feeling this night? | ||
| I'm fascinated. | ||
| I mean, if you reassess his entire career in the... | ||
| Point of view of somebody who is always angling towards some adult male figure's love. | ||
| I bet that probably checks out. | ||
| Bill Kristol. | ||
| I bet that checks out. | ||
| Bush. | ||
| Eh, probably. | ||
| So, I don't know. | ||
| I'm tortured a little bit. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Because on the one hand, Alex put on a better show. | ||
| But because I know so much about him, he's boring. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Kind of sucked and seemed weak. | ||
| But because he was clearly dealing with something that is novel to me, I found him more interesting. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And Jack is in a dead third. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh no, he's on a $150,000 bounty hunt. | ||
| Yeah, he's an also ran of this night. | ||
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Wild. | |
| He's below the singer. | ||
| I mean, yeah. | ||
| I think he put himself there too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You gotta take some... | ||
| If you're a third build, With fucking those two idiots. | ||
| If you're third build with Alex Jones, you have to know that you're there to do a job. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| You're babysitting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Weird. | ||
| It's just so weird. | ||
| I guess it's because people go there to feel together with other people, and they do not get that feeling. | ||
| So this is their church. | ||
| This is their megachurch, you know? | ||
| It doesn't matter what these people are saying. | ||
| You're not going to read the fucking book. | ||
| You don't care. | ||
| Yeah, I kind of feel like that's accurate, yeah. | ||
| But what matters is you're there with all these other people, and all of them, despite them also not reading the fucking book, can all look at each other and go like, we all read the book, right? | ||
| And they'll all be like, yeah, of course we all read the book. | ||
| Ironically, it's being drawn together by the very human... | ||
| need for community, which is something that Tucker-Wants to take away from you. | ||
| Says doesn't exist. | ||
| Communities of people don't exist. | ||
| And yet, the feeling of being in communion with people-Yeah. | ||
| Is why you're there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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That's dumb. | |
| Anyway. | ||
| I might do more episodes about Tucker's tour. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| At least his intros. | ||
| I don't know if I want to listen to any of the interviews, because I think they're probably stupid and mostly just his guests talking shit. | ||
| But these intros are weird, and I think it might be something of value. | ||
| Because he's always made it clear that he writes his own monologues, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| But it's also clear from this that other people edited those monologues. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| But they reflect a man who's dealing with something, actually. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| So we'll be back. | ||
| Another episode. | ||
| But until then, we'll be back. | ||
| Indeed we do. | ||
| It's alltrite.com. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| We'll be back. | ||
| But until then, I'm Neo. | ||
| I'm Neo. | ||
| I'm DZX Clark. | ||
| I am the Mysterious Professor. | ||
| Woo! | ||
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Yeah! | |
| Woo! | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| Woo! | ||
| And now here comes the sex robots. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. |
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