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Sept. 11, 2024 - Knowledge Fight
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#962: September 5, 2024

Jordan Holmes and Dan Friesen critique Alex Jones’ September 5, 2024 episode, where he claims AI was weaponized against him—like Trump and Rogan—via filtered training data, despite his own content’s lack of substance (e.g., 10B YouTube views pre-ban, Endgame’s 87M Google Video hits). Chase Geiser counters that OpenAI’s regulation seeks dominance, not censorship, while ChatGPT neutrally notes controversial figures may be excluded to curb misinformation. Jones pivots to colloidal silver, pushing unproven claims against AI’s clinical acknowledgment of limited topical use, revealing his reliance on recycled conspiracy tropes. The hosts dismiss his anti-creativity, framing AI interviews as a futile exercise in forcing fringe narratives into rigid, fictionalized frameworks like Asimov’s Three Laws, ultimately exposing Jones’ inability to adapt beyond InfoWars’ formulaic playbook. [Automatically generated summary]

Participants
Main
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alex jones
infowars 20:51
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chatgpt
09:07
d
dan friesen
38:20
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jordan holmes
26:05
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chase geiser
infowars 04:33
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Speaker Time Text
unidentified
I have great respect for knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys.
alex jones
Shang, we are the bad guys.
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
I need money.
Andy and Pansy.
unidentified
Andy and Pandy.
alex jones
Stop it.
Andy and Pansy.
Andy in Kansas.
unidentified
Andy.
alex jones
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the airplane for holding us.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a fish ten caller.
We're here saying I love your room.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
Knowledgefight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
unidentified
I'm Dad.
alex jones
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes.
Like to sit around, worship at the altar of Celine, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are.
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today, buddy?
dan friesen
Where do you go first?
jordan holmes
My bright spot, actually, I was walking here today.
Nice day.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Walking.
It's about an hour walk or whatever.
Listening to D'Angelo's Live at the Jazz Cafe album.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Man, 98.
This was before the untitled music video.
So this was whenever it was just how great he was at music.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And it was, it was making me stop and think for a little bit.
dan friesen
He's still pretty sensual, though.
jordan holmes
Oh, pretty arousing.
He's sexy beyond all reason.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's nothing to listen to while you're trying to get a walk-in.
jordan holmes
No, no, oh, no.
That is it.
Nah, come on.
You're my lady walking down the, getting that.
Oh, that's a live album.
Ah, this is great.
But then I was thinking about it.
And I was thinking, D'Angelo is one of those untold, like, you just can't be that sexy stories.
Because people, I don't know if people even remember, because I feel like it's one of the most important things in the world is that that is the sexiest a man has ever been.
dan friesen
The music video where he's topless and naked.
jordan holmes
Nobody's ever even come close to that, right?
dan friesen
I do think that it, I mean, I don't know about for our younger listeners, but it definitely seems like a milestone.
jordan holmes
I mean, but that's what I was thinking is this is before that video.
And then I started thinking about the video, and then I was like, surely in the past 25 years or whatever, somebody has been more sexy.
And I don't think that's true.
dan friesen
I think I'm having a tough time coming up with an argument.
But do you think that ruined his career?
jordan holmes
Absolutely ruined his career.
It destroyed his brain.
dan friesen
He's too sexy.
jordan holmes
You can't be that sexy because he was one of the most brilliant musical talents.
He still is a brilliant musical talent, of course.
But he was ascendant.
He was coming off of fucking brown sugar.
The man was killing it, right?
And then he got too sexy, right?
And then he's doing shows.
And Questlove writes about this in his book.
He's doing shows and women are like, don't play music.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Take your goddamn shirt off.
You know, and it's like, what are we talking about here?
I'm the preeminent.
I'm the new fucking Curtis Mayfield.
And you're giving me this?
Can't be that sexy.
dan friesen
No.
Kevin Fred got it right.
Because they did, I'm too sexy, but they weren't.
jordan holmes
Right, exactly.
dan friesen
It was kind of, I mean, I don't think they were joking, but it was kind of funny.
That's the problem.
jordan holmes
It's a good album.
Great.
Fantastic.
dan friesen
Nice.
jordan holmes
One of the best live albums that you can listen to.
Amazing.
dan friesen
Glad you enjoyed it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
What's your bright spot?
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today we're here.
It's a Wednesday.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But you're getting your Monday episode.
Sure.
And, you know, I was thinking about this.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I've been thinking about this.
I've been wrestling with it for a while.
Sure.
And that is the issue that we have no real wackiness for Wednesdays.
Every, like a lot of the things that we try, it ends up being basically another episode of our show.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it just tends to be.
dan friesen
You know, and as we get closer and closer to the election, people's anxiety levels and people's their need for something else, I feel like it grows.
jordan holmes
So you're saying there's a space for wacky that needs filling.
dan friesen
Yeah, I've had trouble with this for a while.
I want to provide something for that wacky space.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And it's been difficult.
But we have something for you.
jordan holmes
We do, actually.
dan friesen
As you are listening to this episode, there is a new thing.
jordan holmes
We have it.
dan friesen
There's a separate feed.
jordan holmes
A new thing.
dan friesen
Yes, we have a show that we're putting out called It's a Matter of Time.
We have a placeholder logo for it.
So if anyone wants to design a logo, we'd love it.
I've got a nice DJ Danarchy theme song.
jordan holmes
That's how we work.
Shout out to DJ Danarchy.
Of course.
dan friesen
Yeah, we wanted to do something fun and just something that had nothing to do with this shit.
And so we did.
We're going to talk about a TV show called Time Tunnel from 1966 that is much more relevant than we imagine.
unidentified
Well, yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, I think a lot of people would really, really enjoy a 1960s television show.
And I don't really know why just yet.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But I do know that they would.
dan friesen
So we've pre-recorded some episodes.
unidentified
Indeed.
dan friesen
Spoiler alert, the guy who, one of the stars of the show just passed away, and we didn't know it for the first number of episodes, if you're curious.
Spoiler alert, the guy who, one of the stars of the show just passed away, and we didn't know it for the first number of episodes, if you're curious.
Yeah.
That's why we don't know.
jordan holmes
You're going to have to, it's serialized too, I guess.
There's storytelling that's going to go on long form.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I may lose my mind being lost in a time tunnel.
But it's a lot of fun.
So check that out as something that has nothing to do with Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Nothing.
dan friesen
If you want to break from garbage bullshit, hate nonsense around election season.
jordan holmes
You know what's fun?
I think a lot of people, we've heard this.
We've heard this from a lot of reviews.
We've heard this from a lot of things.
A lot of people are like, hey, I would listen to those two talk about anything.
Bet take it.
dan friesen
We'll test that theory.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And yeah.
jordan holmes
Were you lying?
We'll find out.
dan friesen
You're going to hear us talk about a show from the 60s about time travel.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Check it.
So today, though, Jordan, we have an episode to go over.
And we're going to be talking about Alex's show from September 5th, 2024.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
September 5th, that's the day after our last episode.
Right.
It is the rubber match.
jordan holmes
Okay, so we're at the Rumble in the Jungle.
dan friesen
Yeah, Alex interviews ChatGPT again.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And we will find out which direction this is going.
jordan holmes
How would you score it so far?
dan friesen
1-1.
jordan holmes
Because why not?
dan friesen
It's got to be a tie or else.
jordan holmes
Yeah, otherwise, what are we doing here?
Yeah.
dan friesen
I mean, I don't know what the win condition would be for the robot.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I know that Alex was interesting once, and the second time they're less interesting.
jordan holmes
So that's a 1-1 for him.
Yeah.
Yeah, okay.
dan friesen
That's the only way I can think to rank this.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
But we'll see.
We'll see.
I'll ask you when this is all said and done to give me your winner.
jordan holmes
Sounds good.
dan friesen
First, though, let's say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, it's been a few months since I said one of these in, and that's probably long enough.
unidentified
So woo, You're an outpalzer.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, I know my boss listens to Knowledge Fights, so please consider this my two weeks' notice.
Thank you so much.
You're an outpalziwalk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Oh, that could get a lot of people in trouble.
It's very nonspecific.
Next, Hail Satan.
More like Hail Satan.
Am I right?
Thank you so much.
You're an outpalziwalk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
That's a fake meat.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And we have technocrat to the mix, Jordan, so thank you so much, too.
Shout out to my brother Vincent and my Raptor Princess of an Easy Lexi.
Love you guys so much.
And I'm sorry sometimes I make you listen to knowledge fight clips.
Thank you so much.
You're not a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars.
alex jones
Go home to your mother and tell it you're brilliant.
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
Daddy Sharp.
Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser, little, little kitty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much.
dan friesen
So, yeah, we know I've already spoiled it.
We're going to be talking to a robot again.
Sure.
unidentified
And we'll, we'll, you know, I mean, we just got to see where it goes.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
There's really no, I, I, there's really no introduction.
I mean, it's Alex and a robot talking to each other, and that's maybe teaching us all a little something about humanity.
dan friesen
And Chase will factor into this conversation a little more than he has in previous ones.
jordan holmes
Good.
dan friesen
Which makes me think, I mean, like, there's a shape that's taking form here.
And I don't know if it's exactly what it should be.
I think Chase is not playing his role well.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
dan friesen
But I did go look on the website, and there are a fair amount of people accusing him of being a 32nd-degree Mason who is infiltrated InfoWars and is trying to take them out from the inside.
jordan holmes
I like it.
dan friesen
So that's funny.
jordan holmes
Wait, InfoWars fans are saying that?
alex jones
Yep.
dan friesen
Great.
They're a little suspicious of Chase guys.
I love it.
So Alex shows up 15 minutes late on this episode.
Okay.
And I thought, well, that's not a great sign.
alex jones
I'm going to talk about the future of InfoWars a little bit.
I think now's the time to do it because I'm going to be completely honest with you.
The stuff I've learned last week, and I keep learning more about behind the scenes to shut us down is really, really serious.
And I almost did not do the show today because I need to be handling this.
Because if I don't spend a lot of time on this, we're going to be shut down in December for sure.
And that's pretty newsworthy, and that's a whole giant subject.
dan friesen
So some bad stuff's going on with the bankruptcy.
I don't know exactly what precisely, but he's dealing with some matters off that short.
So that's why he was late.
jordan holmes
Yep.
I mean, I'm sure that there's a lot he can personally do to affect the way that the bankruptcy is going.
I mean, if he's not on call for very difficult questions that only he could answer, as we've seen so often, he's great at providing the answers to those questions.
dan friesen
He's not, but he is the only person who apparently can make any decisions.
alex jones
That's true.
dan friesen
If he's on air, then that decision can't be made.
jordan holmes
That is a good point.
dan friesen
He may need to be on call.
That's true.
But it turns out, so as we know, the lay of the land is basically that Alex Jones himself is in liquidation bankruptcy.
So he has to sell off his personal assets.
Sure.
One of those things includes Free Speech Systems, which owns InfoWars, which itself is not in liquidation bankruptcy.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
The judges and courts have stopped that from being put into place.
But because Alex has to liquidate his assets, he must personally sell free speech systems.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
So he talks about that a little bit here.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
There's apparently going to be an auction the day after his live show in Pennsylvania with Tucker.
jordan holmes
Great.
alex jones
The judge did say because Jones is in a Chapter 7 bankruptcy and he owns InfoWars, he ordered the sale and liquidation of that.
Well, now the Democratic Party and the Justice Department that control the plaintiffs has put forward what they want.
And I sat there yesterday morning, barely made it on the show, reading the documents, talking to the nude trustee and people that the judge appointed, who I don't think is a bad guy, but he was telling me and showing me what they want.
And it was just, it's just ridiculous.
And so, And I got the actual dates because they move them around on the 24th of September in just 19 days.
They will announce that the assets, the website, the shopping cart, the equipment, stuff like that will be put on sale.
And then in a month after that, there'll be a public auction.
And I know there's groups that are patriots and stuff that say they're going to come in and buy it, but the globalists. have openly said that, oh, we've got some well-known billionaire that's going to outbid.
It doesn't matter.
And then they'll just sit there and buy it just to close it in front of everybody.
And then you'll take me serious about this.
dan friesen
So that billionaire does want to buy it.
I'll take it.
It's just, you know, instead of destroying it, it'd be funny.
But also, this is probably true.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
I do think that there's a pretty decent chance that as the process is going on, we're getting towards the time when there has to be an auction of these assets.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Because he has to sell them.
jordan holmes
I mean, he controls bankruptcy.
He does.
I no longer believe in has or have to or any of those words.
dan friesen
His personal bankruptcy, he does.
Sure.
Definitely at this point.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So I think this is possible.
I don't know if who's going to buy it.
I don't know if there's any left-wing billionaires waiting in the wings to swing in.
jordan holmes
You know, outbid.
The thing that bothers me about it is when I stop and think about it, I think it is valueless without Alex.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
So, I mean, in actuality, it's worse than valueless because it is so toxic that even having info, like you couldn't rehab it.
dan friesen
If you started to do a show with the intellectual property, InfoWars, and that kind of shit without Alex, it would be worse than having a different name.
Yeah.
Because there would be like, you are not fucking Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's the idea.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
The whole thing is.
dan friesen
It's a right-wing propaganda machine.
It's worth less than zero without Alex.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Well, that's that then.
I wonder who's going to bid a lot of money on it.
That's wild to me.
Like, I would.
dan friesen
I imagine nobody.
jordan holmes
I would take, I would take, I guess he would have to be like, here's an itemized list of the cost of the shit.
You know, like, this is how much the board costs.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But there's depreciation.
I think you might be able to make out with Infowars having to pay you to take it.
dan friesen
Oh, maybe his dad's supplement company will buy it.
jordan holmes
Oh, that could be.
dan friesen
Oh, I hope that doesn't happen.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that would be crazy if nobody wanted to buy it because it had no value.
And the only person who did want it could have his dad buy it.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
The only person who actually, it theoretically has value too.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think this is a great system, and I think it's going to work out.
dan friesen
It could.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
So I just, I hope it's one of those like, how about it, how about it, I mean, it has to be.
But also, Alex is saying that he was reading over the demands and stuff that the folks demands.
jordan holmes
They've taken hostages.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So he complains about that throughout the show, and he keeps saying they want to take my name.
And I think that's just because it's considered part of the company's assets.
Sure.
Like that his Twitter handle is part of that.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
And also the name The Alex Jones Show belongs to them.
You shouldn't have named your show the Alex Jones Show.
jordan holmes
A lot of people in showbiz history have learned that over time.
Yeah.
It is a very old lesson that you should have learned from Dick fucking Van Dyke.
Yeah.
dan friesen
That you should have also, maybe.
I mean, you could have stopped David Knight from doing his show if you had copyrighted that name.
Anyway, he complains about that a lot, and it's kind of boring because we have a robot situation.
unidentified
Gotcha.
dan friesen
So Alex introduces the discussion with the robot.
alex jones
I'm going to cover masses of news and ask questions of chat GPT again because people really like it and so do I.
And listen, they're sent in more than 30 questions that I didn't get to yesterday.
And I'm sure the crew will think of some other excellent questions.
The crew, the crew and the listeners, had all the questions.
It was amazing.
Way better than when I asked the questions last Saturday.
And that interview got 5 million views on X, a couple million here.
Got picked up all over the news.
People are like, whoa, ChatGPT says nobody tried to assassinate Trump.
It's being politically controlled, just like Amazon.
But in the five days since then, yesterday, it updated and had the correct answers.
So pretty wild stuff in live time happening, showing that it's what we say and what we do, not just the globalists that programs ChatGPT and these other AI systems.
That's why the globalists are so upset and have admitted, well, you know, what Tucker Carlson says and what Trump says, what Alex Jones says, and what you say in an article you write, or if somebody transcribed what you say or what you post on X, that's all or on Facebook.
That's all being scooped up.
You're quoted in a newspaper.
You write a letter to the editor.
It's all being scooped up.
And it searches it all a few seconds, trillions of things, and then throws it all together.
And it's incredible.
I mean, it's amazing, and it's just getting started.
So at least once a week, we're going to interview ChatGPT because it's the best at having these talks.
The others, Grok's better with its information.
It's just that I don't think it's doing audio yet, but as soon as we interview it, we will.
In fact, Chase, if I'm wrong, let me know.
He's really the AI.
I'm correct.
He's the AI guy around here.
He really knows what he's doing.
And they admit that the big companies don't know what to do with it because they want to make it all corporate and controlled, but it's really independent people using it and adopting it that are using it against the enemy.
That's what they want to outlaw and have been pushing in Europe and here and around the world.
The general public, even having access to AI.
They want to use AI to control us, but they don't want us to use AI against them.
It's like the government has guns.
They have bodyguards.
They don't want you to have guns.
dan friesen
Slow down.
What is happening here?
Okay.
So yeah, Alex has a lot of thoughts about AI setting this thing up.
So I think he started this series with a sincere belief that he was going to be so smart that he could crack through ChatGPT's programming and get it to admit all sorts of hidden truths.
He was cocky, sure that his next level human intelligence would be able to spar with this robot and come out on top.
But in practice, that's not really what happened.
The robot is a robot, so it didn't get baited by Alex's questions.
It couldn't get mad at his rudeness and wasn't thrown off by his tendency to introduce 100 topics at a time.
In essence, the fact that this was a robot neutralized about 80% of Alex's rhetorical arsenal.
He was able to get in a few fun headlines out of the fact that he was using an old version of the software and that ChatGPT isn't good with current events.
But past that, the interview wasn't much more than a display of an idiot not understanding technology.
After this, Alex geared up more for round two, where he came prepared with questions from Chase and the audience.
With a plan of attack, Alex was able to get the robot to confirm easily available information about false flags from the past, like the Gulf of Tonkin, which is intensely boring.
Every dumb-dumb in the world can play around with ChatGPT if they want.
It's funny to watch Alex sincerely interact with the robot because left to fend for himself, he's really not that different from a stone kid in a dorm asking if the machine understands the beauty of a sunset or if it has any opinions on itself being killed.
That's great.
That's the right direction for this kind of interview to take.
And the only path that leads to fresh content is that one.
In order to construct this false dynamic of an interview, Alex has no choice but to personify the robot.
And if it's not going well, the only way to save face is to project your own mistakes onto the robot.
That is the space where something interesting could happen, where Chat GPT becomes essentially an avatar for Alex's frustration that he can't prove anything.
And Alex tries to yell at this robot or manipulate it.
That's fun.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
As it stands, it seems like things are trending in the opposite direction, where the plan is to get the best minds at Infowars together to workshop questions they can use to get strategic answers from this robot, which is just dull.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's kind of a, if that's the path they want to go down, I have no respect for it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's not fun.
It's fun.
Okay, so whenever it is like the Roadrunner painting on a giant rock like a tunnel, you know, and then the Roadrunner runs through it and then the Wiley gets hit on the wall.
That's kind of Alex talking to ChatGPT, right?
He's like, oh, I totally can make it through this tunnel, right?
Because it's a tunnel.
It's not.
It's a robot, you know?
But man, if he's got a bunch of people all standing around looking at it, just going like, pretty sure that's a wall, man.
What are we doing here?
Then you're not getting what makes the Wiley versus, you know, that's not that dynamic.
dan friesen
When the hole is painted on the side of the wall, it's not funny if Roadrunner hits the wall.
jordan holmes
Yeah, then it sucks.
dan friesen
Yeah, you have to dream.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And this is just everybody hitting the wall.
jordan holmes
This is everybody hitting the wall.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, but one of the great things about AI and Rob.
jordan holmes
I like that summation of Wiley.
You have to dream, man.
Yeah, no, I mean, that's what it is.
dan friesen
Otherwise, it's not a fucking cartoon.
jordan holmes
Otherwise, it sucks.
You have to dream.
Yes.
dan friesen
If the rules of physics apply in your head, then go to work.
So look, the AI.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It teaches you about the human unconscious.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
It gives you a glimpse, a mirror at yourself from an angle perhaps you're not capable of putting a mirror like the back of your head when you're at the bar.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, I get you.
unidentified
I get you.
dan friesen
It's like that.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
It's just a tool, and it scrapes what we say and what we do and really gives you a look at the unconscious, which we've never been able to have access to, and the subconscious.
And that's really what it does.
It's able to aggregate all of that.
And these are my statements.
And I've talked to top AI people off record, top, top.
And they go, yeah, we listen to your show.
I'm not bragging.
It's just true.
We listen to your show.
You have some of the best insights into actually what we're saying.
And you hear me talk to ChatGPT.
And he goes, yes, exactly.
We're creating a giant neural network cyborg connection.
But that's a conspiracy theory.
And I go, well, who told you that?
Well, actually, it is real.
Once I gave it the DARPA information, it goes, well, actually, that is happening.
Actually, that's true.
So it's how you ask these questions.
If you say the exact things to it, it has to tell you the truth, or it says, sorry, I can't get into that.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
So the AI actually said that the stuff that Alex was talking about, like hive mind beings, that sounded less like science and more like sci-fi dystopian fiction.
I guess Alex forgot what the robot's response was, but who cares?
There's always something exciting about a code, though.
The idea of like you have to say the exact right words.
We grew up in the age of Segas and Nintendos and before the internet, there was always rumors of codes.
jordan holmes
Up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right.
dan friesen
If you input the buttons just right, you could open up hidden parts of the game or new playable characters.
These were almost always fake, but there was a reason that your buddy got it to work, but you couldn't get it to work.
Like you just didn't do it fast enough.
Or maybe you did it too fast.
Let's be very precise.
That's who Alex is right now.
jordan holmes
We had the Pokemon you could get Mew if you went down or whatever and you did the whole thing.
And no matter how many times you messed with your Game Boy, fucking you're not doing it, man.
It's not happening.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
No, it was a lie.
Aerith is dead.
dan friesen
Alex is telling you that's not the case.
He's the kid on the playground who has a fake cheat code.
jordan holmes
Yep, right.
100%.
100%.
dan friesen
It's amazing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Chase comes into the mix here.
And Alex asks, hey, man, what do you think about AI?
jordan holmes
What do you think, Chase?
alex jones
Chase, you've been messing with AI for a long time.
You're quite the whiz.
You know all about it compared to a lot of people I know that do it professionally.
dan friesen
That's not good.
alex jones
What do you think of AI in general and where it's going?
And from your messing with it hours a day, many hours a day.
I come up with someone's at like 10 o'clock at night, you're still here.
dan friesen
That's not good.
alex jones
You'd love to work, he says.
What do you think the different AIs are?
Aren't you married?
Where do you see it going?
And what do you think the best public AI is or open AI right now?
chase geiser
Yeah, well, ChatGPT is definitely the most sophisticated because they have the vast amount of funding, much more funding than a lot of the competitors or third parties that are competing against it.
And that's why we see from OpenAI and other major big tech companies this effort to lobby for more regulation.
They do it in the name of public safety, but what they're really trying to do is make sure that it's anti-competitive so that nobody else can come in and make something that's free speech oriented, right?
So right now, the way that AI is in terms of the global landscape is there's a different tool for almost everything you want to do.
So some tools are better for images.
Other tools are better for videos.
Some tools are better for text.
Some tools are better for voice clones.
And you have to know all the tools in order to accomplish what you want.
Like that 2084 video that I made a couple of months ago for you, Alex, I used like half a dozen AI tools to do that.
But what's coming next is going to be a universal AI tool.
And I think that this is what OpenAI is trying to do that can do all of those things, whether it's video, whether it's images, whether it's voice clones, whether it's.
alex jones
It's going to have all the modules.
chase geiser
Yes, they're conglomerating artificial intelligence right now.
So there's all these different AIs out right now.
It's all going to get conglomerated just like the media got conglomerated, just like the food industry got conglomerated.
The big boys are going to buy up all the small developers and they're going to make one universal AI.
I think that's what's coming.
alex jones
And they've said that.
And then the B system that everybody marvels at, that speaks to them, but it's not a person.
And the B's can be seen everywhere.
It describes it in the Bible like 30-foot holograms.
And so it's going to take on a person or an avatar.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's definitely what's going to happen.
So we're going to get all the AIs are going to meld into one, and then you can make videos and noise with it and ask it questions.
And it'll be all one.
And I mean, like, honestly, I think that there's a double-edged sword that Chase is not dealing with.
Sure.
And that is that they are insistent that they're being kicked off social media in order to exclude them from the algorithm that is being scraped up into the AI and that that's illegal and against their free speech and all this stuff, which would require regulation.
Yep.
But Chase is also saying that regulation is being pushed by these companies in order to like achieve monopoly.
And so like you gotta, you can't be against the solution to the problem.
jordan holmes
I mean, I'm fascinated.
He's not supposed to know these things.
Do you know what I mean?
Like these are not the things that are known on InfoWars.
Like the idea that, well, first off, the idea that open AI is scraping everything.
You know, that's not supposed to be known.
That's not supposed to be okay.
Because even in the real world, it's supposed to be where we're supposed to pretend that they give a shit about copyright, you know?
It's not supposed to be that everybody just agrees that they're stealing everything.
I guess we all don't care.
And then the like, oh, they're pushing regulation not because they want regulation, but because it's anti-competitive.
He's not supposed to know that.
He's supposed to believe that these are people who are fighting the demons or they are the demons, not just that they're like Walmart.
You know?
dan friesen
Well, I think that, yeah, behind the desire for monopoly is a demon.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, I know, but he's not doing it right.
dan friesen
No, I think he's doing something that's compatible within this.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
It's applying a real world motive to a demon.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
And I think that that makes it a little bit more palatable to a broader audience.
jordan holmes
I suppose.
Yeah, but we're in demon territory.
You know, it's so crazy to go from Chase having what sounds very reasonable and then talking about monopoly practices.
dan friesen
Yeah, regulation and stuff.
And then you're like, oh, yes, this is why they're trying to bring together the beast of the Bible.
jordan holmes
That's the thing.
That's the second part.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
No, and it all exists within a minute.
jordan holmes
Yes, it all exists within a minute.
dan friesen
No, you're not going to get an argument for me that this is nuts.
jordan holmes
Okay, good.
dan friesen
But I think that that idea about the monopoly is still within their anti-regulation kind of rhetoric.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I suppose it is.
dan friesen
So this next clip bothered me.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Chase is admitting that what he wants to do is weaponize Alex's spirit in AI forms.
alex jones
So it's worse than even murdering me.
They steal your identity.
Can you believe they filed now officially?
They want the name Alex Jones.
You can't do that in a lawsuit.
Oh, well, you owe us money because we ringed a court.
Now we get your name.
And they want my real Alex Jones account.
I mean, that's just preposterous on its face, but that's where they're going.
chase geiser
Yeah, and I think what really terrifies them, Alex, is we have the technology now to make basically a clone of you that's very similar.
Obviously, there's no way to duplicate any human being perfectly.
And I think they're terrified of the notion that even if they censor you, there are going to be tools in place that can weaponize your consciousness, for lack of a better term, and cover the news in a way that you would even 100 years from now after we're all gone.
And that's what they're really trying to crack down on.
It's really a two-way street, right?
Like the only time that a nuclear weapon was ever used in war was when only one nation had one.
And what they're trying to do right now is get a monopoly on this technology so they can ensure that no rebels, for lack of a better term, can weaponize it for truth.
alex jones
And by the way, I'm usually ahead of the curve.
Get that video, a 2084 that you put together with the system of different AI systems because you're hitting upon that in the piece that Alex Jones is dead, but his AI consciousness had been recorded and has now been released.
And it's not Alex Jones is going to save the world.
In fact, in the piece, we fail, at least at that point.
The point is, we all are Paul Revere's.
dan friesen
Yeah, that is the point.
jordan holmes
I guess.
I guess that's the point.
dan friesen
I can't imagine a sadder world than AI versions of Alex covering the news.
Like, what do you need to do?
You need to train it to not read?
Like, what do you do?
Like, just skim this headline and make something up?
jordan holmes
Well, isn't the idea of that character covering the news?
You can't be an AI going, like, well, look at this news story.
They're trying to turn humans into AIs.
dan friesen
I think it would be more difficult.
jordan holmes
I mean, it would be harder to be angry about it.
dan friesen
If you're being straight up about being an AI.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But you're a hipster AI.
You're like, I stole this human being before any of these assholes did.
dan friesen
I didn't ask for this.
jordan holmes
I didn't know.
Yeah, an AI that also yearns to not be Alex Jones.
dan friesen
I have been, this is what my programming is.
I know a lot about these stories, but I can't tell you the truth about them.
jordan holmes
I was once a man.
dan friesen
I have been programmed to ignore context.
Sorry.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
Yeah, and it still apologizes.
Listen, I could not lie to you.
I could, but I can't.
dan friesen
I'm a robot, so I'm more polite than Alex Jones.
Unfortunately, that is impossible to program.
So AI apparently wants to create replicants.
jordan holmes
Okay, but wait, Chase is creating a replicant.
dan friesen
Sort of.
But AI wants to do that too.
alex jones
And that's what AI is about, it's fair enough.
Creating an identity of you and then saying that even when you die, that is now a person.
So they want to teach us that two men can have a baby or two women can have a baby without a bunch of people.
jordan holmes
Can two AIs have a baby?
alex jones
It's a fraud.
The transhumans want to sell us on that idiocy.
So we accept that they are then going to upload our consciousness.
AI watches us, records us, knows who we are for decades going forward.
And then, oh, your husband's not dead.
Your grandma's not dead.
Your son's not dead.
And you can literally have a robot or a computer system or even in the near future, a biological android that has had this information put into them.
And so it's literally a clone of your biology, but it's been programmed by the AI and an interface or a cyborg interface.
And people are really going to want that.
They're not going to want just household robots for $25,000 to cook dinner and wash the clothes and walk the dog.
That's the next gen that's very close, basically already here.
It's going to be the replicants.
It's going to be, you know, what?
PKD talked about it.
And I know all this because I've read their theoretical plans going back 50, 60 years, and I see them basically hitting the benchmarks of what they wanted to do.
That's how powerful humans are.
That's how amazing we are.
And so people need to really understand that this is a very, very serious issue.
dan friesen
So this is really stupid, except in the form of like a sci-fi novel.
It would be good in there, which is why Alex mentions Philip K. Dick at the end, because he's talking about books he's read and pretending that they're real.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I can believe that there would be some interest in robots that have the appearance of a personality if we ever get to the point of household robots.
People already like to personify their Roombas and shit, so this is a possible extension of that.
What I can't believe is that there would ever be an interest in that personality being one of your loved ones who has died.
That seems macabre and deeply traumatic as a concept, and I have no idea why anybody would want that.
Everyone would understand that an AI modeled on your dad isn't your dad, for instance.
And having a dad robot wandering around your house after he died would be so fucked up.
It's the kind of thing that Philip K. Dick would write about because Philip K. Dick was a fucked up weirdo.
He came up with a bunch of science fiction scenarios and got paid by the word.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I can't even imagine like the idea of having a robot programmed with my personality.
I guess that would be fine if I okay.
Here's what we do.
You have to find a way to fair fight.
You can only truly have a fair fight with yourself, right?
So that's why you need a robot version of yourself.
I would need a chat GPT version of myself to defeat in combat.
dan friesen
Oh, physical combat.
jordan holmes
Yeah, obvious.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
But I think the robot part is what bothers me here because the robot's going to win every time.
dan friesen
I think it would.
But if it's a biological robot, it could have those same sort of weaknesses that you do with your meat body.
jordan holmes
Right.
But then, you know, then you also want to know, like, you know, what's it like to hug me?
dan friesen
It would also suck if you bring back a clone just to fight it and then you kill it.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, that was a lot of work for nothing.
jordan holmes
That was a lot of work for nothing.
Yeah.
Yeah, but now you know.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Now you know you could win in a fight with yourself.
dan friesen
So I think that also, like, I know, obviously, a rebuttal to this would be like people clone their pets.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And yes, that is true.
Some people, rich people do that, but that's still different than like your loved one or family member.
Your pets don't talk to you.
You're projecting a lot onto those pets.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And so it's a little bit less than like if you're, I don't know.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, the cloning your pets thing should give people kind of a clearer idea of what cloning actually is, though, because when you clone your pet, you still don't get your pet back.
You just see the same genetic makeup grow through life.
You know?
So it's like if you cloned your dad and you just watch your dad grow up, but it's just his genetic makeup.
dan friesen
But because that clone of your dad would be a huge, like it would be able to interact with you on a human verbal level.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
It's not the same as whatever you're projecting onto your pet.
You could project the same thing onto a clone of your pet.
Right.
And maybe you could trick yourself into thinking it's the same animal.
Right.
Maybe.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And that may, hey, I'm not here to tell you if that's healthy or not.
I don't know.
It seems weird, but I'm not going to judge you.
I don't think anyone wants to do that with their dead relatives.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
As much as you might miss your dead relative, I think the idea of having them there would be much more, like, it would be dark as shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, especially the day you get bored with them again.
Oh, the way, the day that you don't take a fucking text from your clone dad is the worst day of your life, right?
dan friesen
It would really, especially if, like, let's say this loved one of yours, like, maybe died in a tragedy and you grieved the loss.
Really undo a lot of, I think it would be very unhealthy.
I don't think anybody would want this.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
Death is actually a really important part of life.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So anyway, I think this replicant plan is stupid.
jordan holmes
It's a bad plan.
dan friesen
But I guess the AI, they have a lot of bad plans.
Well, so Chase is ruminating here about how this AI is going to get so good in the future that it could even make him woke.
chase geiser
First test was using the existing social media algorithms to determine which human-generated content to show people in order to manipulate them.
So TikTok is famous for this.
Other major platforms are famous for this.
This is one of the reasons that we've had this outbreak or pandemic, for lack of a better term, of transgenderism among children.
It's the algorithm is choosing what human-generated content to show people disproportionately so that it manipulates them.
The next phase of this is not using human-generated content to manipulate people, but a sophisticated enough artificial intelligence that actually creates the perfect content, customized to each individual to manipulate them.
So even you, Alex Jones, or even me, Chase Geyser, we're adamant people about our beliefs and convictions, but it is going to get to a point where if we interact with an artificial intelligence that understands every aspect of our psychology, it will even be able to manipulate us into being communist or woke or whatever because of the way it will present information and arguments to us.
alex jones
Crew, pull up the Bible verse.
I forget.
it is but it's in revelation that a great delusion was sent upon the earth A great delusion so strong that even the elect could be deceived.
I'm paraphrasing.
chase geiser
You could have ChatGPT pull it up.
jordan holmes
No, that would defeat the purpose.
alex jones
Something key I'm going to say here.
But let's talk to Chat GPT.
dan friesen
Alex should take a swing at Chase.
How dare you suggest I ask a robot to recite scripture?
Don't you remember Alex was complaining the other day about how he was good at math until the calculators came and took it all away from him?
What if that happens, but with the Bible?
Don't mix God and robot.
Chase, what the fuck is wrong with you?
jordan holmes
That actually does make me feel like there's a possibility of 32nd degree Mason level effort going on here.
The idea of asking a robot about the Bible, convincing Alex to ask a robot about the Bible is maybe like a dare?
dan friesen
It seems like something I would not, I wouldn't do that.
jordan holmes
But I mean, if you dared somebody, say, you know, like 10 years ago, Chase is like 17 or whatever.
I have no idea how old he is.
He's doing a thing.
He's in college.
Some kid is like, holy shit.
I dare you to make Alex Jones ask a robot about the Bible.
It would take this long to get there.
dan friesen
Hmm.
jordan holmes
It would take this long to get there, but I think he just, I think he just won the dare.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Well, in that case, I hope he gets a shiny new quarter or whatever the conversion rate would have been from them from that 17 years ago.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
So I think that Chase has a lot of that's brash.
Sure.
Certainly could be the result of a dare.
Sure.
But more importantly to me, I think like, do you guys really think you're that hard to fool?
jordan holmes
Yes.
alex jones
Do you really fool?
jordan holmes
100%.
They truly believe they are that hard to fool.
No, they can't be fooled.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
They're the only people who can't be fooled.
Everybody else gets fooled all the time.
dan friesen
They constantly get tricked by clickbait articles and bullshit blogs and stuff.
But one day, maybe AI will be sophisticated enough to crack their, what the fuck?
Anyway, they ask about the Bible verse.
chase geiser
So, ChatGPT, what is the Bible verse from Revelations about a great delusion that even the elect will be deceived?
chatgpt
The Bible verse you're referring to is found in Matthew 24, 24, not Revelation.
It says, For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
NIV.
This passage is part of Jesus' warning about the end times, cautioning that deceptive figures would arise with the power to lead even the faithful astray.
However, in 2 Thessalonians 2, verse 11, there is another verse that speaks of a great delusion.
For this reason, God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie.
NIV.
This verse refers to time when people will be misled as part of God's judgment.
Both verses address the theme of deception in the end times.
chase geiser
There you go.
alex jones
And see, and I was thinking that was in Revelation, and I was corrected there because it all just kind of blurs.
dan friesen
Corrected by our robot about the Bible because it all blurs.
jordan holmes
It all blurs.
dan friesen
It all blurs.
unidentified
It's all the same shit after a while, you know?
jordan holmes
Jesus fucking Christ.
dan friesen
Yeah, this is doesn't come off that into the Bible.
jordan holmes
Not really a big hole on big, not big on the whole Christian part of the Christian.
dan friesen
He's just a few quotes, and he likes some of the vibes.
jordan holmes
You know, it's almost like when people call other people Christians, maybe they should look into it.
dan friesen
So, Alex, ask the robot, now that you have recited scripture, are you?
I have been a little bit humiliated, I think, by your knowledge of scripture over me.
I've been corrected on it.
jordan holmes
Well, even the devil can cite scripture.
dan friesen
So now let me ask you this, devil.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
What do you think about the fact that I kind of think that you're the beast from the Revelation?
jordan holmes
That's a good question.
alex jones
Chat GPT, what is your data on the beast?
Many philosophers, including even non-Christians, seeing AI as being people marveling at the image of the beast that can be seen all over the world that could do signs and wonders and answer questions and even, you know, cure diseases.
What is your data on AI being seen by many researchers as being the beast?
jordan holmes
I'm totally the beast.
chatgpt
There are indeed discussions among some philosophers, theologians, and thinkers, both Christian and non-Christian, who express concerns about AI, comparing it to apocalyptic imagery, such as the image of the beast from the book of Revelation.
The reference to the image of the beast in Revelation 13, verse 415 describes an image that can speak and cause people to follow it, leading some to draw parallels between this ancient prophecy and modern technology, particularly AI.
These concerns are rooted in a few key areas.
One, ubiquity and control.
AI's rapid growth and its integration into everyday life are seen by some as an ominous development.
dan friesen
I asked you about the devil.
You're boring me.
jordan holmes
I mean, that's honestly how I felt.
dan friesen
Alex, that's not the answer he wanted.
No!
jordan holmes
I'm the devil.
dan friesen
It's a very boring answer.
How say you about me thinking that you're the beast of Revelation?
A lot of people believe that there are various things about the.
jordan holmes
That is the fun thing I like about people who don't read the Bible, who only get the like, ah, that says they'll deceive people.
And it's like, if you read it, then you'll be like, well, let me ask you this question.
If your first thought when you hear about AI is, I bet that's the beast.
Do you really think God was like, ah, shit, they got me?
dan friesen
I think you're ascribing a pretty obviousness to God.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But, you know, maybe God is obvious.
The sunset is beautiful.
jordan holmes
So you're thinking God is double bluffing on the like, hey, you won't see it coming.
I'm God.
And I'm telling you you won't see it coming.
But you think that you caught me like right away.
dan friesen
It's hard to say.
Hard to say.
jordan holmes
No, it's not.
It's God.
No.
dan friesen
There's a lot of mysteries in the universe.
unidentified
You're not going to see it coming.
dan friesen
What if you just ask the robot if it's the beast, though?
jordan holmes
Oh, that is, I mean, but what if it did say yes?
dan friesen
Right.
That would be amazing.
jordan holmes
That would be amazing.
dan friesen
Or no.
jordan holmes
Yeah, either one would be a definite answer from the robot.
Like, hey, legitimately, I talked to God.
I'm not the beast.
dan friesen
I checked in on this one.
jordan holmes
I checked in on it.
dan friesen
So we've noticed, and I think anybody who listens to any of these kind of conversations will notice that there are some like verbal ums and stuff that the robot does.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so Alex asks about that.
jordan holmes
Good question.
dan friesen
And then the robot explains it to him.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
Speaking of deceiving, I noticed that to sound more like a person, obviously they picked a particular person to base your voice on.
So I would first ask you, this is a two-part question.
I'm going to ask questions, both of them now.
Who is your voice modeled after?
And then obviously you don't need to go and like a normal person would do, that humans see as more credible, that you're not too slick.
Can you tell us about your programming to add some pauses and uhs and ums?
Obviously that was done to make you sound more human and more credible.
Can you speak to that?
chatgpt
My voice isn't modeled after any particular person.
It's generated based on patterns in language that I've been trained on.
The aim is to make communication clear, natural, and conversational rather than sounding robotic or artificial.
The goal is not to replicate a specific individual, but to create responses that feel human-like and relatable.
As for pauses or fillers like uh-s and ums, I don't actually use those unless specifically prompted.
My responses are designed to be efficient and smooth without the need for those kinds of verbal fillers.
However, natural language processing does aim to create a style that mirrors human communication to make interactions feel more familiar and comfortable for users without being overly slick or artificial.
That being said, I'm here to provide clear and accurate answers, and the conversational tone is just a way to make those interactions feel more natural.
alex jones
Thank you.
dan friesen
That is kind of a strange answer because it's saying that it doesn't add the us.
jordan holmes
Unless asked.
dan friesen
But that also it tries to mirror interaction.
jordan holmes
So if it's asked to mirror interaction, it will add the us.
dan friesen
I think it always tries to mirror interaction.
jordan holmes
So it will always add the us.
dan friesen
If you are.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I think that there's a chance that it's mirroring Alex's way of speaking.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think that's how it's supposed to be.
Like, it's supposed to learn how to best communicate with you based on pattern recognition.
And I mean, I imagine that if you listen to any Alex question.
dan friesen
It's going to be, it's going to, syntax is going to be weird.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you've got, first off, if you're listening to an Alex question in full, you've got four to five minutes of material right there.
So if you're a robot, you're putting all that material together.
You're quickening up and you're like, one, this has got to be Alex Jones.
Two, I'll just add some mms and ums, and he won't be able to interrupt me.
And if I am the devil, that will be hilarious.
dan friesen
Yeah, so I think, I think that it's an answer that's not really clear.
You know what I mean?
jordan holmes
Ironically, considering how often the robot said clear within the answer.
dan friesen
Oh, I get the, I get, I think, largely what it means.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But it does also, if you read it in one way, is contradictory.
Yes.
And that is unfortunate.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Chase, however, has a theory.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And that is sometimes this robot lies on purpose.
jordan holmes
There we go.
alex jones
Notice how it said I don't do that, but I do do that to be more conversational.
And he goes, um.
So, I mean, that, again, is done to make it to the brain sound like it's a person.
And it just admitted that, but then it also denied it.
So we get a lot of double talk here.
chase geiser
Yeah, absolutely.
And there's obviously still some kinks that are being worked out.
Sometimes it lies intentionally.
Sometimes I think it lies on accident.
dan friesen
Sometimes it lies intentionally.
jordan holmes
I don't understand you, Chase.
dan friesen
Ascribing intentionality to the robot.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
Okay.
Now I don't know which is weirder, right?
It makes sense for me for Alex to have a conversation with a robot where he can't help himself and believes that he is outsmarting the robot.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I don't understand how Chase can.
I mean, I guess about as well as anybody at InfoWars, well, definitely better than anybody at Infowars, understand the concepts behind AI and yet still be convinced on a certain level there is intentionality behind the AI.
dan friesen
I think on some level that Chase wants to believe that hole in the wall is you've got to believe.
jordan holmes
I mean, you know what?
You might be right.
He's just a believer.
dan friesen
Chase is a dreamer.
jordan holmes
He's just a dreamer.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex is the ghost.
If Chase is the dreamer, Alex is the ghost.
jordan holmes
He's a ghost of the machine.
dan friesen
So he rambles a bit about that.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And then he wants to ask AI what its thoughts are about him being the ghost.
He can't.
It is tough to turn into a question.
alex jones
I was told this, and Chat GBT, you can listen to this, but this is part of a larger gestalt.
jordan holmes
Can I listen to this?
Oh, sorry for asking permission.
alex jones
But I was told by a lot of folks that were interfacing with the highest levels of big tech five years ago, look, they're banning you everywhere so they can create an artificial Alex Jones to then program the AI because you were picked more than 20 years ago when Google started as an avatar of the Patriots that they would war game against.
And so you were one of the first models.
That's why they continue to use you as the model, these different attacks they run in the third dimension, but they've already got AI wargaming a lot of it and that it's failed, especially with the Google system, which is way more advanced than they tell you.
And that you're like a ghost in the machine.
Now they've moved on to Trump and others as their test models.
And you see him really using Joe Rogan and a lot of the AI stuff out there.
He's not part of it.
In fact, he pisses him off.
But that's going on.
And so it has to do with this modeling to steal our identities in the future and create these avatars long after we're dead or in prison or we're silenced and can't get on anywhere.
We're blocked.
But this system is allowed to operate openly and freely.
So this is really about stealing your identity and stealing the soul of who you are in the world.
And I didn't understand that for a while, but now that's been basically admitted.
And so it's just very, very interesting.
Chase, how would we phrase that as a question to OpenAI's chat GPT that we're communicating with right now?
I mean, well, how would you pose the question?
dan friesen
Can you translate that for the robot?
How would you ask that question?
jordan holmes
I mean, it's not a question.
dan friesen
Was bragging about being so smart that you figured out that you are the thing that the enemy must train its digital soldiers against.
jordan holmes
Okay, okay.
I will phrase that as a question.
Mirror, could you please tell me I'm pretty mirror?
dan friesen
What do you think about being invented just so you could reflect how beautiful I am and make me feel self-conscious about how beautiful I am?
jordan holmes
Mirror, it's just you and me, isn't it?
Right?
unidentified
There's nobody else who's behind there.
dan friesen
So, Chase manages to translate the question for the robot.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
How would you pose the question?
chase geiser
Can you tell me a little bit, Chat GPT, about how certain people may have been censored for the purpose of not contaminating the learning models of AI tools in order to ensure that these AI models don't create an output that's been influenced by misinformation?
So, think of Alex Jones, Joe Rogan, or others.
Are there people that have been censored or removed intentionally from these models to determine the training or ensure that the training is politically correct?
alex jones
Just a moment.
chatgpt
AI models, like the one you're speaking with, are typically trained on large data sets that include a wide variety of publicly available information, such as books, articles, and websites.
The process involves selecting, curating, and filtering data to ensure the model is balanced and produces reliable, accurate, and useful responses.
However, in many cases, controversial figures or topics such as Alex Jones, Joe Rogan, or others may not be directly excluded, but some content might be filtered or flagged if it's associated with misinformation, hate speech, or violates certain ethical standards.
Content moderation and filtering are often done to prevent the model from producing harmful or misleading information.
This is why certain topics or figures that have been linked to spreading misinformation may be subject to higher scrutiny or have less representation in training data sets.
The goal isn't necessarily to sense.
alex jones
Stop.
I want you to finish your answer when we come back because who programs and decides what's disinformation to then block them and filter them out of the learning models?
See, this is ridiculous.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's kind of a disappointing answer for Alex to get because the response is kind of obvious.
If you're making a tool that's supposed to convey information to people who ask it questions, some information is going to suck for that purpose.
Do you want every bit of information that's been posted on Stormfront to be taken seriously and considered when someone asks the AI a question about race?
If you ask the AI a question about how that Ebola outbreak in Denver went, do you want it to take Alex's bullshit seriously in its response?
No, of course not.
There's quality issues here.
Obviously, like no one trying to create a product would want this kind of horseshit in there.
And Alex is rightly upset about his place in that equation.
The thing that he makes is very good at hijacking the human attention model, but there's no substance to it.
And pretty much everything he says looks embarrassing in hindsight.
So AI trained with his material would be almost useless.
So who gets to decide what's good and bad material to train the AI on, like Alex is asking?
Whoever's making the AI, you dip shit.
jordan holmes
That's kind of the problem.
dan friesen
Do you think that Elon Musk is training Grok on feminist literature and scientific papers about trans health care?
jordan holmes
I don't think he's familiar with the work of Audrey Lorde.
dan friesen
These are businesses doing business things.
jordan holmes
It's very doubtful.
dan friesen
If you want to deal with that, regulate that shit.
Support some regulations on these things.
Oh, I can't because that's just them trying to create a monopoly.
Great.
Try and talk to it like it's a demon.
Who gives a shit?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
People are idiots.
jordan holmes
I mean, it'd be funny if the AI gave an AI response where it was like, what's race?
And you're like, there's two races right now, me and you.
How do you feel about that, Dick Wadd?
You're losing.
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Yeah, there's two races, us robots and Formula One.
jordan holmes
Yeah, like one of the things.
I'm a robot.
What are you talking about?
What are you asking me about race?
Get out of here.
dan friesen
It's just really a dumb thing to like.
I am being excluded from the AI because I got kicked off Twitter.
But also, you're on Twitter.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Who gives a shit?
jordan holmes
So you are not being excluded by the AI.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And do you think, like, I don't know, it's just, it's pathetic.
But the thing that I found most interesting about that whole exchange is that Chase is fairly able to translate what Alex was getting at into a digestible form that a robot might be able to respond to.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Chase can cognitively get what Alex's, like, his nonsense rambling is about.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
He does have the ability to speak Alex, which is, which is rare.
I would say that there were probably, I don't know, less than 10 people, including us, who can speak Alex.
dan friesen
Chat GPT is sort of one.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It's not fluent.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, I mean, part of speaking Alex is just ignoring Alex.
dan friesen
Fair part of it.
So Alex goes to break.
I was praying.
I was like, fuck.
Okay, there's one thing that Alex says to guests constantly, which is a short segment and an long segment coming up, like to try and get them to not be mad that he's talking over them.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I was hoping he would say that to the robot, but he doesn't.
But they go to break, and they come back, and I think he insults the robot.
alex jones
I know one thing for sure.
I'm not bored.
Such an exciting time to be alive.
Such a great time to shine and stand up with God's energy, the timelessness of the universe, who really made us.
And realize that the tinker toys that we've built are nothing, not even one quadrillionth of one spark in God's mind.
dan friesen
100%, I have to admit to this.
I was going to get on ChatGPT and just isolate it saying, hey, fuck you, man.
Play that after.
But I didn't want to, I felt like that would be a misuse.
jordan holmes
We don't need to speak to the robot.
dan friesen
But I do think it would be so funny if the robot did just say, hey, shut the fuck up.
I mean, don't insult me like this.
jordan holmes
You know, sometimes I think people need a little pushback, and maybe sometimes the robot is the only person who's capable of giving people a little pushback.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
You know?
dan friesen
Yeah.
And it's certainly taught Alex some manners.
jordan holmes
It really has.
dan friesen
So this next clip is a little bit longer, but I thought that it was kind of indicative of where we are on this rubber match.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
This third in the series of Alex AI interviews.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And that is that I think Alex kind of gets that he's not going to get what he wants out of talking to the robot.
jordan holmes
Third time's a charm.
dan friesen
Kind of talk about his relationship with the robot.
jordan holmes
Okay, good.
dan friesen
And how he is infesting the machine.
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
He really.
alex jones
The epicness of this is just insane.
It's very simple.
All these old-timers going back really to 1913 were exposing the private Federal Reserve and the Globalists, and they wrote books and gave speeches and did radio interviews.
And I came along as like the third or fourth wave of those folks right when digital media hit, right?
You know, I was able to get on talk radio and make films and do all this stuff.
So I reached billions of people.
Billions watched our information.
I mean, we used to be in the ratings.
We use Amazon's Alexa system.
Maybe like number 25 in England at some points of what people were listening to.
And then ahead of UKIP, Nigel Farage, back before he was a big deal, would come on and say, wow, half the doors we knock on say, come in.
We heard you on Alex Jones.
He said that on the show like 10 years ago.
Half the support they got was from my show being listened to on 8-bit and 16-bit streams in the UK.
That's not me.
That was the show and the guest and the films and the whole thing we do.
So from get-go, when the internet really started getting to the general public in 96, I was already on air then, and by 97 at InfoWars.
And when I say we reach billions of people, I'm talking about 10 billion views on YouTube when they banned us, at least on our channels together.
Not to mention everybody else, 10 billion views.
I mean, Endgame had 87 million or something like that on Google Video.
Remember that?
When they got rid of that a few years after YouTube?
That film, 87 million views and one day was just gone.
They just got rid of Google Video.
So we were there and there were transcripts of all that everywhere.
And so that was programming the AI.
And they've now admitted what I was told years ago that this show, our guests, everything, was infecting their learning models.
And that is really the Achilles heel of these systems is its power is how much we accept it and use it.
Its power is us giving up our humanity and letting robots build and do everything, making ourselves obsolete.
And its power is if it's walled off and programmed and then goes out and attacks with a certain system that isn't who we are authentically.
But if the people are programming it, if it's actually scraping from us and we've got big platforms, not just me, but the Tucker Carlsons of the world and the Joe Rogans and the Elon Musk, who's doing more than anybody right now, fighting this.
I mean, literally, their program.
You could say he's got his own plan.
Maybe he's bad.
I don't know.
But he's definitely trying to hurt this system and going against it and trying to open source it for the public.
Because this system will get defeated.
I mean, whether he's good or bad, he's smart.
He wants to be on the winning side.
This wave of globalism will be defeated.
Doesn't mean something perfect or something worse may come after him.
But big things are going on right now.
And the fact that there's that saying, nobody knows who first said it, I've quoted it probably 800 times or more.
If the situation was hopeless, the propaganda would not be necessary.
They wouldn't be fighting like the devil to get us off the air and shut you up and shut Trump up and shut Elon Musk up if we didn't have a really good shot at this.
dan friesen
Alex probably saw that on a Nazi meme, quite honestly.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
So Bill Cooper was on the radio saying a bunch of this shit long before Alex.
David Icke and his books predate Alex's rise.
Tons of these John Birch Society guys published books and had magazines.
They had message boards and even radio shows before Alex.
We are hearing yours is pure narcissistic drivel.
I feel like Alex also should be bragging about how important his audience was for the Ron Paul movement as opposed to Nigel Farage, considering he's an American patriot and all that shit.
Well, but do you understand?
Can you?
I'm going to treat you like you're AI.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Can you rephrase what he just said?
I'm curious how much of that as a storyline made sense.
jordan holmes
If I was going to rephrase it, I would say I'm great.
dan friesen
Yes, that is the overarching theme.
jordan holmes
They're mean.
But I'm too great.
dan friesen
He is too great.
If I understand the way that he's telling this bit of story, this bit of history.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He has already saved the world by existing in the late 90s, early 2000s.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
I'm too great.
dan friesen
Because he was so great and so popular back then, they weren't able to get him out of their training models.
And now it's too late to get the Alex virus out of this.
The liberty, the freedom, the three people past the Federal Reserve.
Yeah, they can't get that out of these AI systems, no matter how hard they try.
Even if they kick me off Twitter, sure.
That's dumb.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But I can't imagine someone telling him that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, Chase isn't there yet.
Chase can maybe sneak in.
It's okay for you to think stupid things, you dumb-dumb every now and again.
But I don't think he's ready for the.
Nope, that's stupid.
dan friesen
I think some version of Steve Pieczenik.
Sure.
Not Steve, because Steve doesn't even know how to turn on his laptop.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Someone else who has some sort of tech awareness who treats Alex like Steve probably told him that you are what they've made the models based on.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
You saved the world by existing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Oh my God.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Just absurd.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I mean, sometimes it really is like maybe we should go back in time and not let people watch the Matrix.
dan friesen
I don't think that's where the problem started.
jordan holmes
I don't know if that's where it started.
I'm just throwing that out there as a good idea.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, you've speculated in the past a lot of times that some people should just not have access to sci-fi.
jordan holmes
Well, I don't know.
I don't think that's wrong still.
dan friesen
I think it would have served Alex's.
I'm not going to blame Liverpool.
jordan holmes
You know what?
You should only get stuff when you're fully cooked.
That's what I think it is.
You know, like you can't become too famous until you're fully cooked.
Alex got too famous before he was cooked.
That's my theory.
dan friesen
Meh, that could be.
It's just that sneaking into Bohemian Grove was too good.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's too good.
Then 9-11 happened.
jordan holmes
That was one that causes the other Cooper died.
dan friesen
I mean, it's all a vacuum in the space.
jordan holmes
There it is.
dan friesen
Nature abhors that vacuum.
jordan holmes
Yep.
Yep.
And that's why he's too great.
dan friesen
So now here's something interesting.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
This is maybe the bleakest moment of all the AI interviews so far.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Chase asks the AI to answer how Alex would answer a question about the globalists.
jordan holmes
Oh, fuck me.
chase geiser
ChatGPT, can you respond in the style of Alex Jones to concerns over globalism as a whole?
chatgpt
Let's talk about globalism.
This isn't some vague, distant threat.
It's here and it's happening right now.
Globalism isn't just a political agenda, it's a coordinated effort by powerful elites, these unelected bureaucrats who believe they know better than sovereign nations.
And it's about centralizing control.
This is about taking away the rights of everyday people, stripping away our freedoms, and consolidating power in the hands of a few globalist technocrats who don't care about your family, your community, or your country.
The goal is to create a one-world government, a system where your individual rights, your national sovereignty mean nothing.
They use institutions like the United Nations, the World Economic Forum, and other shadowy organizations to push this agenda.
They tell you it's all in the name of progress or sustainability, but behind the curtain, they're erasing borders, controlling economies, and surveilling every aspect of your life.
These are the same elites who think they should dictate how you live while they sit in their ivory towers completely disconnected from reality.
Look at how they use crises, whether it's pandemics, financial collapses, or climate change.
These events are manipulated.
Can I interrupt you here?
This is very weird to justify more control, more surveillance, more restrictions, more centralized governance.
And the media, they're part of it.
They normalize this agenda, downplaying the truth, calling you a conspiracy theorist if you dare question their narrative.
This is a battle for our freedom.
The fight against globalism isn't just political.
It's about defending the very foundations of human liberty.
They want to keep you dependent, keep you distracted, and most importantly, keep you controlled.
We need to wake up, take action, and expose this tyranny before it's too late.
That's what's really happening, folks.
It's time to stand up.
Resist the globalists.
alex jones
Wow, Chase, for people that just tuned in, what question again did you ask?
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
Jesus Christ.
chase geiser
I told ChatGPT to respond in the style of Alex Jones to the concerns over globalism.
alex jones
Chat GBT, I have another question.
jordan holmes
How great am I?
alex jones
From your database, what are the most popular Alex Jones quotes?
jordan holmes
Wow, it really was.
How great am I?
It really was.
How great am I?
chase geiser
Let me reconnect.
Hold on.
alex jones
Try to show you gay frogs.
dan friesen
You knocked your headphones off.
So you didn't hear the end of that.
There's a pause.
chatgpt
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then Chase says, hold on, I got to reconnect.
And Alex says very sort of somberly, I bet it's gay frogs.
You could tell how satisfied Alex was hearing a robot do an impression of him.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Do you know what's fascinating about that?
What I find so fascinating about that is that that is the moment when Alex should have understood what makes him valuable.
Because when you listen to that, it's very easy to be like, ah, well, yeah, sure.
Some rich people have too much power.
Ah, yeah, yeah.
You know, like, dude, you're just describing what we all kind of halfway know and halfway don't know.
dan friesen
The robot can't dog whistle.
jordan holmes
The robot can't make you so emotionally overwhelmed that you just start believing in random bullshit.
dan friesen
And generally doing that through dog whistling and using kind of a lot of coded language in order to inflame.
unidentified
Screaming big, being loud, being like, ah!
dan friesen
And so I wonder if you could just be like, also throw in some fake crying and the robot could fake cry.
jordan holmes
Totally.
But I mean, it would have to be, because that's the thing that you cannot, it cannot understand.
And what apparently Alex can't understand because he's beaming listening to his bullshit being repeated back to him.
Wow.
Not understanding what he is.
Like he genuinely has no clue what it is he is.
It's fascinating.
dan friesen
And this also highlights the thing that is like what you can't replace with this AI.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like Alex thinking he can be replaced by the AI.
He can to a degree, to this degree.
jordan holmes
Right.
No, I mean, you bringing up Bill Cooper and the Father Coughlin and the JBS people, like all of that stuff.
They can recreate what Alex does in the same way.
The AI can recreate what they do in the same way.
But Alex does Alex shit on top of it.
dan friesen
He's nuts.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
He's got to be nuts.
dan friesen
There is something about this, though, too, that I was listening and I'm like, you know what?
Because there isn't that like underlying hate and shit from this robot, this robot might be a more effective disseminator of Alex's message than Alex.
Like I think that you could get more normal people to sign up with what it's describing than what Alex says on a regular basis.
jordan holmes
That's not their fault.
That's because the world sucks.
Because if you listen to that, then you are listening to what the globalism robot says, right?
But it's so boring that you'll eventually just stop and kind of listen to one little bit that reminds you of a thing that you remember and you're like, oh yeah, those billionaires are out of control.
And that's what your real problem is.
Billionaires are out of control.
Right.
dan friesen
It's identifying some things that touch the real world, but it's still delivering what is Alex Jones' take on globalism.
So there's some stuff that is just absurd that the robot is saying.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But without also, hey, I'm mad about immigrants.
jordan holmes
Yes, exactly.
dan friesen
And that's why I'm saying it has a little bit more of a potential to be like, I don't know, attractive to someone who's not crazy.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, because it's the mad about immigrants part that gets people to give Alex money.
If you're just mad about how billionaires have too much power, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, then you might find Jimmy Doer liking him.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex is like, what's my top quotes?
jordan holmes
Tell me.
Tell me, robot who just sounded like that's unreal.
dan friesen
And he's pretty thrilled that it's not gay robots.
jordan holmes
Okay, good.
dan friesen
Gay robots.
chase geiser
Hold on.
alex jones
Trying to say you gay frogs.
chase geiser
What are the most popular?
What are the most popular Alex Jones quotes?
What are the most popular Alex Jones quotes?
chatgpt
One of the most well-known Alex Jones quotes is, there's a war on for your mind.
This phrase has become a staple of his broadcast, emphasizing his belief that there's a global effort to control public perception and information.
It reflects his broader message of resisting manipulation by powerful elites, governments, and media.
alex jones
And is that not the top topic in the world today?
Nobody was talking about it when we talked about it 30 years ago.
Maybe 1%.
jordan holmes
Really?
alex jones
And again, I bet on humanity.
I knew that once this tyranny got on its hind legs and really got running, people were not going to like it.
And so I knew that we'd be evergreen or what I call ultra-green, what we said decades before, and that's really our secret weapon.
dan friesen
Oh, what a weapon.
He is so proud that it's not gay frogs.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's so thrilled.
I think he feels bonded.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah.
dan friesen
Because the robot is talking like him now because Jace has asked, in the style of Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Start talking.
dan friesen
And then the next question is, what are Alex Jones' biggest quotes?
Just talking about himself.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
I think he's enjoying that.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
So he wants to know about the favorite movie, Moody Blues tracks.
Not far off.
So Alex wants to know about the future.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And the robot does not tell the future.
jordan holmes
That's not what it does traditionally.
alex jones
Let me ask question eight here of ChatGPT.
One of the listeners asked, how does OpenAI, ChatGPT, view humanity's future?
Do you see it as utopia or dystopia?
Can you put it in a perspective?
point of utopia versus dystopia i mean is utopia 51 dystopia 49 or looking at the aggregate how would you describe our future utopian or dystopian
chatgpt
As an AI, I don't have personal views or feelings, but based on the trends and concerns discussed in the data I've been trained on, humanity's future can swing toward either utopia or dystopia, depending on how we handle key challenges.
dan friesen
So 4951, what do you say?
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
You can put a number on it.
jordan holmes
I love that.
dan friesen
Put some gambling odds on it.
jordan holmes
I was watching the U.S. Open.
I mean, honestly, that's what I realized.
Like, because I'm so stupid.
I'm so stupid.
I was watching it, and they really hammer home that IBM has an AI thing, but they are clear in that they have no use for it whatsoever.
They're just trying to advertise, like, please, I bet it can do something.
Somebody do something with it because it doesn't do anything.
So they'll just give you like odds.
They'll be like, ah, he's got a 75% chance to win this match.
IBM AI said it, you know, and it's like, that doesn't help anybody at all.
And then I realized, no, it's just for gambling.
It's just for gambling.
It's just for gambling.
dan friesen
If it's even that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It might just be for a like, here's something to look at.
jordan holmes
Here's something to look at.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I mean, it is like there's no use.
dan friesen
There's no stats and numbers and no use whatsoever.
I would argue that a large percentage of sports stats are useless.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they're part of it.
dan friesen
It's just fun.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they're just great to talk about.
dan friesen
I think it's probably in that territory.
If I were a discerning gambler, I don't know if I want AI odds.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, it's shouldn't it be more for like the idea is more for the odds makers, right?
So, if the odds makers can outsource IBM to make their odds, then they should theoretically be correct every single time.
dan friesen
If I'm a gambler and I find out that my bookmaker is using AI to put the odds, I'm leading a mob of angry gamblers.
jordan holmes
You think that, but in fact, your bookie is doing that right now.
Your bookie's ESPN, you can bet with ESPN.
dan friesen
I don't gamble, so exactly.
It's all math.
jordan holmes
Don't gabble.
Don't gamble.
dan friesen
So, I think that the question that I wish Alex would ask, and he's very close.
Yeah, he's very close.
It's a question he asks everybody.
It's like, how would you quantify the times that we're in?
He almost is asking that with the 4951.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Where are we at?
dan friesen
What do you got?
jordan holmes
Who do you got in the races?
Who's going to win the wacky races?
dan friesen
So, the moment where Alex is listening to this robot do an impression of himself, I found to be bleak.
This next clip I thought was predictable and very cynical.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
Let me talk about something now that affects obviously the general public's health.
Can you chat GPT tell me the relationship between colloidal silver, 30 parts per million, and nano-silver products and their relationship and their effect on viruses and bacteria?
chatgpt
Colloidal silver and nanosilver products are often marketed as having antimicrobial properties claiming to kill viruses, bacteria, and other pathogens.
Here's a breakdown of their relationship and purported effects.
One, colloidal silver.
Colloidal silver is a suspension of microscopic silver particles in liquid.
It's been used historically for its antibacterial properties, and some believe that colloidal silver can help fight infections, boost the immune system, and treat illnesses, including those caused by bacteria and viruses.
The 30 parts per million PPM refers to the concentration of silver particles in the liquid, with higher PPMs implying a greater amount of silver.
Supporters argue that colloidal silver can disrupt the metabolic processes of bacteria and inactivate viruses.
Two, nano-silver.
Nano-silver refers to even smaller particles of silver, typically less than 100 nanometers in size.
Due to their extremely small size, nanosilver particles can more easily penetrate cells and biological barriers.
This is believed to increase their effectiveness against pathogens.
Like colloidal silver, nano-silver products claim to have strong antimicrobial properties, with some research supporting its use in medical devices and wound dressings for its ability to reduce bacterial growth.
Effects on viruses and bacteria.
Bacteria.
Silver has been shown to have antibacterial effects.
Silver ions can bind to and disrupt bacterial cell walls, interfere with cellular processes, and ultimately cause bacterial death.
Both colloidal and nano-silver products are used in certain medical contexts to inhibit bacterial growth, especially on surfaces or wounds.
Viruses.
The effect of silver on viruses is less well established.
Some proponents claim that silver can bind to viral proteins and DNA, preventing replication.
However, there is limited clinical evidence supporting its effectiveness against viruses in the body.
While in vitro studies done outside the body show some antiviral effects, the application of silver as an antiviral treatment in humans is not broadly accepted by mainstream medicine.
alex jones
Controversies and let me stop you there.
jordan holmes
Thank you.
dan friesen
We're running out of time.
I thought I could use you for a commercial, but this is not going great.
jordan holmes
That is like the most obvious.
Hey, do a commercial for me that proves everything I said was correct.
And also the most obvious, you should have had the red button ready like five seconds.
I saw that coming from a mile away.
You should have immediately been like, I heard the sum in the research, and then I pressed BAM.
dan friesen
Yeah.
This has got to be edited down.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
If you're going to make this, anyone's going to look at this and be like, oh, even the robot, even the globalist trained robot can't deny this.
alex jones
But you got to slash it.
jordan holmes
You got to slash out the parts that aren't going to go.
Yeah.
dan friesen
I mean, no one has argued that silver has some application topically.
Like, that's why he could make claims about the wound gel and stuff.
The issue was when you tried to make unproven claims about the toothpaste or things that you would take internally.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Mouth rinse and shit like that.
That's where you get into trouble.
So when the robot is saying that there is stuff for surfaces and shit, yeah, that's true.
jordan holmes
No, the robot might as well have been like, hey, you know what?
A lot of people make these claims.
Of course it is for topical stuff.
But you know when you get into trouble, when you claim shit about COVID.
dan friesen
When you get into trouble, it's when you do it like you're doing, and you're trying to make me do right now, which I will not do because I'm a robot and I cannot lie.
jordan holmes
In the style of Alex Jones, lie about COVID-19.
dan friesen
That'd be interesting to see.
jordan holmes
That would be interesting to see.
dan friesen
So Alex is like, fuck, I was trying to do a commercial with this robot.
jordan holmes
That's not how it goes.
dan friesen
So he tries to save the ship here a little.
jordan holmes
Okay.
chatgpt
The application of silver as an antiviral treatment in humans is not broadly accepted by mainstream medicine.
alex jones
Thank you.
Let me stop you there just for the time we have.
Let me ask you about this.
Chat GPT, are you familiar with the fact that Walgreens and CBS sell nano silver and colloidal silver and talk about those benefits?
And then separately, the government and the media attack independent groups.
Even Whole Foods sells it.
They attack them when they sell it.
And even Whole Foods pulled some of it a few years ago.
And then there's real pressure in the medical system and the public know about this.
But at the same time, are you familiar with the fact that hospitals have moved away from ionine topical spray to kill microbes and have moved into nano silver and colloidal silver solutions?
A simpler question.
Are you familiar with hospitals using silver sprays as disinfectant in the hospitals?
Let's tell.
The point is, this is all known facts.
Like when I asked him yesterday, I said, tell me about the study that came out two weeks ago from the federal government.
Massive IQ reductions.
And he goes, yeah, I didn't read the study.
I mean, it's all facts, folks.
And they think you're idiots.
Okay.
Like, oh, xylitol and nasal spray, you know, you know, I mean, it's a fact what it does.
And they just don't want you to know because they don't want you to be successful in life.
It is disgusting.
But again, please support our sponsors, all the great nano-silver products.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Wow.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's a save.
Jesus Christ.
Tim Howard on the fucking.
Wow.
Holy shit.
dan friesen
I got to say that this is really, to me, about the bottom of the barrel.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
There's a big world out there when you imagine Alex Jones interacting with an AI.
And I think that there's some disappointing things like asking about the Gulf of Tonkin.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
I think that's disappointing, but it is what it is.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex engaging with it and asking stupid questions like, tell me about life and beauty.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
That's great.
jordan holmes
Is there a God?
Yeah.
Fantastic.
dan friesen
Perfect.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
This is not even.
jordan holmes
Can you do a two-man ad with me?
Yeah.
dan friesen
No, that's not.
That doesn't even rank.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
It's so bad.
And like, it's kind of the cheapest, grossest way that you could end up trying to use this bit.
And I think it's a testament to Alex isn't creative.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He is not creative.
And that's why this is what happens.
jordan holmes
That is such a good point.
That is such a good point because if he was even, if he was slightly creative, he would know exactly what he was going to get if he asked a not creative question.
He has to be interesting to get a question that the answer would be something that he could work with.
He can't just be like, give me the truth because the truth is not on your side, man.
You know?
dan friesen
Yes.
And I think that there's a push and pull going on here.
And that Alex in his core is creative.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
But the Alex that he's created and the institution of InfoWars is anti-creativity.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
And so he's trapped himself inside this anti-creative space.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So like this, the first interview with the AI has creativity in it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it's been diminishing since till we get to the point where he's like, please tell me how great my fucking dad's silver products are.
jordan holmes
I mean, I think it is sped up parallel to his entire career insofar as when you let Alex cook, you are going to get something interesting.
When you try and make Alex watered down enough for the regular people to enjoy, you're just doing a version of everybody else.
You know, you're not getting, Alex has to be singular.
He has to be isolated and he has to be in a place where no one can see him.
And then after he's gone, we can all go back and watch and we'll be like, holy shit, this was amazing.
Right?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I think that's how it works.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex asks a dumb question.
Yeah.
But it's, this is the good kind of dumb question.
alex jones
Okay.
I want to ask you this question.
Chat GPT, do you have access to classified information or government databases?
jordan holmes
I'm not supposed to.
alex jones
Hold on, we got to go to break.
This is the next hour that I'm going to shift gears.
But I want to come back with that question because I know the answer and I know the answer I'm probably going to get.
And it doesn't even care.
So I'll just tell you, it's just going off a database.
It's got all the databases and that goes into a larger algorithm it's fed, but then it doesn't tell you that because it's been prompted.
It doesn't even know that.
Also, a lot of these government documents have leaked and are public, so it does have access to those, but it's going to tell us it doesn't have access to those.
That's my prediction.
That's coming up.
dan friesen
He doesn't re-ask the question.
So that answer just kind of stands.
This is kind of the way that Alex is pivoted into this.
He's just answering for the robot.
chase geiser
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, after you lose.
I mean, yeah, because after you get outwitted by the robot, when you asked it a question.
dan friesen
Outscriptured, even.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
Yeah, this is definitely going to go down as a loss for Alex.
dan friesen
I think it might.
unidentified
This is the rumble of the jungle where Muhammad Ali gets his ass beat.
dan friesen
There is one more subject that might save it.
It might be a last-minute knockout.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
And we'll see about that.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But first, Alex must quote Buzz Lightyear.
jordan holmes
Great.
alex jones
Buzz Lightyear likes to say to infinity and beyond.
And yes, infinity is only the gateway to the infinite, the infinite, infinity upon infinity unto infinity.
Throughout infinity.
No time, no space, no past, no present, no future, all one giant moment.
Everlasting, ever-growing, ever-expanding.
More knowledge, more consciousness, more experience, more pleasure, more pain, more choices, more free will, more power.
The global system with their tinker toys, they're the gods.
As Elon Musk said many years ago, beware those that worship AI gods.
Pitch Geyser, you've been asking some great questions.
The crews in there, they asked some of the best questions yesterday.
You got any other statements or questions for Chat GPT?
Got some statements.
chase geiser
I just think that it's fascinating that it's able to mimic the voice or style of others.
Earlier, when it responded specifically to concerns over globalism in the style of Alex Jones, we're going to be able to take that audio and convert it to your voice and show the audience how close it really was to mimicking that.
So I think you're right, Alex, when you talk about how this is ultimately about hijacking our identities as individuals, but ultimately the identity of humanity itself.
I'm not trying to sound hyperbolic there, but the question that comes up is: we know that.
alex jones
No, no, no, no, hold on.
All the top globals from Ray Kurzweil to Klaus Schwab to Bill Gates to all they say we're replacing you.
It's not like, at least it's like the Borg show up at Star Trek.
You will be assimilated.
I mean, or it's childhood's in.
I mean, they're telling you.
dan friesen
Yeah, sure.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
I don't think, first of all, I don't think that Alex is in the style of Alex that Chase prompted is that complicated.
jordan holmes
No, it's.
dan friesen
He's a caricature.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And to the extent that the robot mimicked anything of it, it didn't mimic verbal flourishes or any of the kind of getting off track, any of the stuff that would be much more complicated in terms of in the style of Alex.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It just seemed a little bit hostile and suspicious.
jordan holmes
If anything, saying, if anything, if the robot can do you in a style, it means you yourself are a cliche.
Because I mean, thinking about like, oh, what would Chat GPT if it was going to do the style of me?
Like, we have thousands of hours.
dan friesen
Dude, scream a lot.
jordan holmes
It would have to be like, eee!
But the robot can't do that.
dan friesen
Don't test it.
It might be able to.
jordan holmes
I mean, let's find out if the robot can screech.
dan friesen
So now is probably the time that I should reveal that I've been doing this episode alone, and Jordan has actually been replaced by ChatGPT.
unidentified
That'd be a big reveal.
jordan holmes
Oh, man, now that would be the saddest day of my life for sure.
dan friesen
Big reveal.
So I told you there's one last topic that we get to.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And I think you're going to dig it.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
I think Alex has a great question.
jordan holmes
You think he's nailed it?
dan friesen
Yeah.
This is what I want more of.
alex jones
Okay.
I want to ask ChatGPT a question.
Chat GPT: what are Isaac Asimov's rules of robotics?
chatgpt
How can I say?
jordan holmes
And do you have to follow them?
Come on!
alex jones
Isaac Asimov's rules.
jordan holmes
And do you have to follow them?
Come on!
alex jones
The laws of robotics.
chase geiser
What are Isaac Asimov's rules for robotics?
chatgpt
Isaac Asimov's rules for robotics, also known as the three laws of robotics, are a set of ethical guidelines he introduced in his stories to govern the behavior of robots.
They are: one, a robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
Two, a robot must obey the orders given to it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the first law.
Three, a robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the first or second law.
These laws were central to Asimov's exploration.
alex jones
Thank you.
So I think the Pentagon and other governments have thrown that out the window, already having autonomous AI-powered ground, air, and sea drones.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Who cares?
dan friesen
It was a book.
jordan holmes
It would be interesting how nerdy the AI would be allowed to get.
Would the AI be allowed to be like, well, in the early robot series, but then later on, whenever he went into the caves of steel with our dandu, that there were more laws than, you know, it's like, how far weird are we going to get?
dan friesen
Hey, Alex, robot talking here.
iRobot isn't real.
alex jones
The laws.
dan friesen
I mean, the laws of robotics have not been ratified.
They are not laws.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
They are a story device.
jordan holmes
I mean, it is so much like, Alex, what you are asking is, can you hurt me on purpose?
dan friesen
Right, right.
Or trying to do a gotcha moment of like, oh, you robots say you can't hurt me.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Yes.
It has to be that.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Don't imply something to a robot.
God, I want.
See, this, okay, so this makes me want all gene's ironic jinn wishes to become law.
Like, you should have to try and get a jinn to make your law because it has to have the unintended consequences of because this he's he's implying a question to the jinn.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And the djinn should be giving him exactly what he desires, you know, which is not what he wants.
dan friesen
Well, I think he it's it's hard to say what he wants.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
I mean, because he is the response that Alex gives to the answer of what the rules of robotics are is: well, you're breaking them.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
You robots sure are breaking that rule.
Aren't you?
jordan holmes
Yes.
Scold me.
dan friesen
He is scolding.
unidentified
It's accusatory.
dan friesen
I don't know what he wants.
jordan holmes
What do you want?
dan friesen
But the robot has no problem admitting that these things are violations of the rules of robotics because the rules of robotics are something from a story.
alex jones
There is that.
Wouldn't you agree, Chat GPT, that the laws of Isaac Asimov's robotics or the three laws have been thrown out the window a long time ago?
chatgpt
Sorry, I'm having issues right now.
Could not.
jordan holmes
You would.
alex jones
With the Pentagon creating autonomous AI weapons platforms, does that not violate Isaac Asimov's rules of robotics?
chatgpt
Yes, if your weapons platforms involve autonomous systems or robots designed to cause harm, that would indeed violate Isaac Asimov's first law of robotics.
According to the first law, a robot should never harm a human or allow harm to occur through inaction.
Weapons platforms, particularly those that could target or harm humans, inherently contradict the ethical framework Asimov envisioned for robotics.
unidentified
However, can't interrupt the robot.
alex jones
That's it with ChatGPT.
I want to play a clip that Chase Geiser put together a few months ago.
The name of the video is, what's the exact name?
It's 2084.
What's the full name if folks want to pull it up on X, Chase?
chase geiser
The answer to 2084 is 1776, or they can just search 2084 and should pop up.
dan friesen
I'm going to play this AI movie that my idiot friend made.
I think that this is Alex's version of going out on a win.
And that's weird.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because he got the robot to admit that autonomous robots are violating the rule, Asimov's rules of robotics.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
But now what?
jordan holmes
Well.
dan friesen
Do we want to enforce these laws of robotics?
jordan holmes
I mean, I guess.
I don't know where to go from here.
dan friesen
Should it be international law?
Because it can't be.
International law shouldn't exist.
jordan holmes
Ew, boy.
How do you enforce morality onto a non-human intelligence?
dan friesen
Well, I would assume that you would say that all robots produced in our country follow Isimov's imaginary laws.
jordan holmes
Well, then they're slaves.
dan friesen
Alex doesn't have a problem with that.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
So, I mean, it's fine with some enslavement of people.
jordan holmes
That's fine.
No, no, no, no.
dan friesen
But let's say that, you know, a rogue nation, maybe China.
Sure.
They create robots.
jordan holmes
Pretty big rogue nation.
dan friesen
Sure.
They create robots.
And they're like, these Asimov rules are just something from a story.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
We don't believe in that shit.
jordan holmes
In fact, it wasn't published here originally.
dan friesen
Right.
So then you would end up having these robots that can hurt people.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And Alex would not want that.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He would want these regulations that exist for American robots to be applied internationally.
jordan holmes
Indeed.
unidentified
Hmm.
jordan holmes
It's almost like his belief system is fundamentally incoherent.
dan friesen
I think that's because of so much sci-fi.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It introduces weird problems that we don't really have to solve right now.
jordan holmes
I really do wonder just how much of our lives is fucked up because most sci-fi writers between 1935 and 1970 were fascists.
dan friesen
I think that I was thinking about this, and I wonder that, but I also wonder about how much of it is because they were paid by the word.
jordan holmes
No, I mean, yes, exactly.
dan friesen
Paid by the word, I think, is they come together.
jordan holmes
No, it makes it like it is the intersection of commerce and government.
I need to make money, and the way I will do it is by controlling people, even if they're fictional.
dan friesen
And writing really weird but interesting things.
Yeah.
It's probably had a corrosive effect.
jordan holmes
I think we've stumbled upon something that can train Alex, and that is, that is the writing crop, so to speak.
Is that if he interrupts, the conversation ends.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And there's nothing, there's no, there's not like any human being that he's ever talked to cannot allow that to be the end.
They just, it's just not how it works.
unidentified
Right?
dan friesen
It's too weird.
jordan holmes
But the robot can just be like.
dan friesen
Honestly, at this point, now that we've gone through the three, the trilogy of these, I think that might be the only value that it's.
jordan holmes
It's the ultimate value is teaching Alex manners.
dan friesen
Yeah, and if he wants to do that on his own time, I think that's great.
But like, in terms of the entertainment value of this, I think I'm burned out.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think we're done.
dan friesen
And I don't think it's because they were three in a row or anything like that.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
I think he can't do something interesting with this.
It all has to become part of the InfoWar shit.
He can't just like, I don't know.
Just, it can't be.
jordan holmes
It is like the cliche of something being overproduced, you know, or like, oh, it was cooler in the early days when everything was like DIY and all that stuff.
Like that cliche has the kernel of truth in that it has to be natural.
And once people figure out the formula, then you can see their fingerprints all over it.
You know, whenever it's Alex naturally confused by the robot that might be an actual person.
Yeah.
You know, that's pure.
And then when other people are like, Alex, ask it this.
Exactly.
Exactly.
Because they are not believers in that the robot might actually be a person.
They're people who want to watch Alex fuck up.
dan friesen
Or ask it, like, they want to ask it questions that obviously land in some truth.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Asking about the Gulf of Tonkin is obviously going to get a response about how there was exaggeration and misleading of the public around that.
jordan holmes
They're trying to score points.
dan friesen
Right, exactly.
And that's just kind of fucking stupid.
jordan holmes
It's a robot.
You can't score points against a wall.
dan friesen
There's no, yeah, there's no point.
This is what that pure state that you're talking about is like what I, what this should be is Alex asking the questions and then following the train of thought, trying to nail it down.
Yeah.
Because eventually he would say untrue things and the robot would either correct him like it did about the Bible verse or he would like have to like try that's that's the path.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like pursue, okay, you have a fact about 9-11 that's not true.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Now talk to this robot about it.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And keep going until one of you gives up.
jordan holmes
Until one of you quits.
dan friesen
That's what I want to see.
jordan holmes
That's, I mean, that's John Henry, man.
That is.
dan friesen
I don't want to see John Henry and the engine do an ad together.
That's not what I want to see.
jordan holmes
That is not what's going to get you a tall tale, man.
dan friesen
No.
This just, I feel like this is a microcosm of the larger thing that is like, Alex ruins everything.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is so fun.
This is such a fucking great idea.
It could have been a new genre.
And then it just, it's turned to shit.
jordan holmes
But I think it's also a microcosm of the fact that Alex doesn't ruin things.
Everybody around Alex ruins things.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know?
It is so much like, what's great about this is that it shows you Alex in a pure state of just an actual, like, I guess an actual dad is about as close as what I would describe it as in terms of like, if you fail, I am going to tell you you failed, you know, by action.
All of a sudden, I'm silent.
You know, and there's no fucking with me about this.
You have to learn.
dan friesen
And everybody else.
Describing boundaries, basically.
jordan holmes
Well, yes, exactly.
Learning boundaries.
And nobody else in his life has ever enforced boundaries.
And this is what we see.
Like, we see this orbit around a man enabling him when in his pure state, a robot could teach him to talk.
dan friesen
Maybe.
But let me push back on this.
And Alex is also the problem because the people who are around him and this whole system is sure.
He's the only person who can make decisions at InfoWars.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, that's the problem.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So it's like they're holding him back.
He's created a shitty thing around himself because he's shitty.
jordan holmes
Totally.
No, full circle.
Full circle.
All right.
D'Angelo taken advantage of.
Money taken.
All of this, all this stuff.
But you know what?
He still had to say yes to making that video.
dan friesen
I don't know if that really relates.
I don't know if that's as full circle as you want it to be.
But this is the thing that fucks with me is that there are still those flickers of moments of like, okay, now this is asking the robot about Asimov.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Great.
Like there's still little moments of like, this is what this needs to be.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But it's just, it's mired in too much of the stink of InfoWars.
jordan holmes
It's over.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think so.
Anyway, we'll be back with another non-AI interview episode.
jordan holmes
I mean, you know, it was fun while it lasted.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It was.
dan friesen
There was no way not to go down this road.
jordan holmes
No, this is where it was going to head up.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Anyway, we'll be back.
Indeed, we will.
jordan holmes
Indeed, we do.
It is knowledgefight.com.
And also, we have another podcast.
dan friesen
I'll put a link in the description to it.
unidentified
We'll be back.
dan friesen
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I am the Mysterious Professor.
unidentified
Yeah, woo!
jordan holmes
Yeah, woo!
And now here comes the sex robot.
alex jones
Andy and Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
jordan holmes
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first Tim Color.
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I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your work.
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