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Sept. 6, 2024 - Knowledge Fight
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#961: September 4, 2024

Jordan Holmes and Dan Friesen dissect Alex Jones’ September 4, 2024 episode, where he absurdly frames the election as "61 days to world history" while promoting debunked claims like Tim Walz’s family endorsing Trump—ignoring distant relatives or his own nephews’ anti-Trump critiques. They mock his misrepresentation of ChatGPT’s neutral responses on 9/11 Building 7, fluoride IQ studies, and the USS Liberty attack, where the AI cites official reports despite Alex’s conspiracy-driven questions. His attempts to "bond" with the robot by referencing Doors lyrics or Dracula ties reveal a desperate need for validation, not genuine engagement. Ultimately, Jones’ robotic interviews highlight his reliance on pre-packaged narratives over substance, proving even AI can’t sustain his usual derailments. [Automatically generated summary]

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alex jones
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12:53
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dan friesen
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jordan holmes
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Speaker Time Text
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dad.
I'm Jordan.
We're a couple dudes.
Like to sit around, worship at the altar of Celine, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are.
unidentified
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
I have a quick question for you.
What's your bright spot today, buddy?
dan friesen
My bright spot today is I'm not somebody who gets a lot of new clothes.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
You know, like on our tour, when we went out, it was kind of a joke bit thing that I got a new shirt.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But it's not really.
Like, I very rarely get new things.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, you just really liked that shirt, and it looked great on you.
dan friesen
I know I have a bunch of them.
unidentified
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
But I got some new shoes.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And I think I realized I've been wearing bad shoes for a long time.
Because these ones have like a little bit of a cushiony on them.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Oh, they've even got a maybe my shoes have sucked for a long time.
So that's a good thing to learn.
jordan holmes
You may have.
Have you ever considered, like the more we, the more we talk, have you ever considered that you just started playing life on hard mode from the jump and then forgot to like you could adjust the difficulty?
dan friesen
Well, it's not, I don't look at it as hard mode.
I look at it more as like, you know, you're in maybe like one of these survival crafting games.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
And you get like the shoes that are just like, I don't know, some animal skin shoes.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
No, no, no.
I know what you're saying.
dan friesen
We have no reason to upgrade.
Why would you upgrade?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
You didn't know there were better shoes.
dan friesen
They're just something to put on my foot.
I don't have a shit.
And then you realize, oh, no, these feel bad.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think there's a hundred things like that.
Yeah.
In my life.
And so the shoes, we fixed that one.
jordan holmes
I like it.
We're going through, I think, every single one of them, just slowly untying the Gordian knot that is the things that you forgot could be better.
dan friesen
Ah, shit.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
What's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
My bright spot is I'm going to have to go with tennis.
Now, I'll tell you one thing about this tennis.
All right.
So U.S. Open, it's from the United States.
It's where the two letters at the beginning come.
Right.
This year, for the first time in 20 years or whatever, there are Americans who are going to maybe win it.
That doesn't happen in tennis because of the three guys who were better than everybody ever.
Yeah, they're getting old.
They're all old.
So that whole generation that was squashed and strangled is now getting their chance to shine, right?
Sure.
But one of the people is a dude named Francis Tiafo or TFO, I don't know.
And he's awesome.
He's great.
Grew up, broke.
Dad worked at a tennis place.
Grew up just hitting tennis balls against the wall.
Became something.
Awesome.
The whole thing.
He's great, right?
He's had a rough couple of years because he got pretty famous.
He did a lot of good stuff.
And then he starts hanging around with, you know, like Steph Curry and LeBron James and stuff.
Right?
dan friesen
I thought you were going to say a bad crowd.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
But for a tennis guy, it's a bad crowd because they're like, hey, man, you got to step it up.
You got to put all this pressure on you.
But they're team guys.
You know, they can put pressure on themselves because there's other dudes around them.
When you're playing tennis, it's just you.
Right.
So you can't be playing tennis and then be like, Steph Curry would be mad at that shot.
What am I doing with my life, right?
dan friesen
I could see how that would get in your head.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it gets in your head.
So he's had a struggle, but in the past few months, kind of figured it out.
dan friesen
All right.
jordan holmes
Kind of figured out.
So now he's in the semifinals of the U.S. Open.
dan friesen
Against Pete Sampras.
jordan holmes
Against Taylor Fritz, who's another American.
But he and the other two Americans on the women's side, Jessica Pagula and Emma Navarro and Taylor Fritz.
Well, first off, Navarro and Pagula, billionaire daughters.
Rich fucks.
dan friesen
Oh, I thought you meant they have billionaire daughters.
jordan holmes
No, they are daughters of billionaires.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Yeah, so they can go fuck themselves.
dan friesen
Doesn't tennis more so than other sports, except for like golf.
It seems like there's a high incidence of the affluent.
And again, tennis is like something you can play if you're rich or if you have nothing.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So it kind of has like the most extremes.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You have to.
jordan holmes
You have to dedicate literally everything to it.
And so you can only do that if your parents are rich enough to just say, fine, go do that.
Or if your parents are willing to sacrifice for you.
dan friesen
Right.
So the daughters of billionaires.
jordan holmes
They can go fuck themselves.
Taylor Fritz, another rich kid.
Francis TFO, buddy.
He's coming for it.
All right.
That's my bright spot.
He's going to win the U.S. Open.
dan friesen
I'm pulling for him.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
On your behalf.
jordan holmes
Thank you.
And on behalf of all poor people everywhere.
dan friesen
That's what I'm saying.
So, yeah.
I hope that goes great.
jordan holmes
I'm sure it will.
dan friesen
Pete Sampras.
jordan holmes
He was all right.
dan friesen
So we got an episode to go over, Jordan.
I got to say, I've been struggling.
I think we hit a culmination on our last episode.
jordan holmes
With the Chad GPT?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's tough to beat that.
dan friesen
I honestly think there may be nothing better than that.
I don't.
Like, I obviously feel like, you know, whenever you see greatness, you didn't know greatness was coming.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
And you can feel like after you've witnessed greatness, like Michael Jordan, his next game after the flu game.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Was it that good?
I don't know.
We don't remember it.
jordan holmes
It was all right.
dan friesen
Right, exactly.
What are we going to do after Alex's fucking Chat GPT episode?
jordan holmes
I genuinely don't know.
How do you follow it?
Exactly.
We have to smooth back into things.
dan friesen
There's almost a feeling of like, I wish that was episode 1000 and then we could mysteriously disappear.
jordan holmes
That would be great.
Right?
We're just suddenly in the woods 10 years later.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's how it would be.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But unfortunately, or fortunately, whatever.
We have to keep going.
Okay.
And so today we're going to be talking about September 4th, 2024 on Alex's show.
See how he decides to go about his life after interviewing a robot.
jordan holmes
How does he not know that that was a watershed moment, too?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
It was just a day for him.
It was just a day.
dan friesen
It's one of the stupidest things that anyone's ever put on television.
jordan holmes
Anywhere.
dan friesen
And just so good.
jordan holmes
I mean, like, sometimes when you stop and think about Pompeii, you know, and you think about how people had dick jokes on the wall that were preserved for millennia.
unidentified
Well, what if this goes away?
jordan holmes
What if Chad GPT talking to Alex doesn't last as long as Dick Joke and Pompeii, man?
dan friesen
It's a Mona Lisa, really.
I don't know.
Anyway, we'll see what he does today.
But before we do that, let's say a little hello to some new walks.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, sauce is free, but pies you got to pay for.
Thank you so much, you're an AI policy walk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next knowledge fight got me through too much accounting, and now my brain is cooked.
Thank you so much, you're an outpalacy walk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And chicken-fried steak visions.
Thank you so much.
You're an Iowa policy walk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
And we got a technical idea of the mix, Jordan.
So thank you so much to check out my brother's new bar on North Milwaukee at The Void or Void underscore Chicago on Instagram.
He's an amazing bartender, and his business partner is an amazing chef.
Thank you so much, you're an Iowa technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars.
alex jones
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
Daddy Sharp.
Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser, little kitty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
unidentified
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
So I thought I'd play a little out of context drop here because Alex, I believe, was one of the most unintentionally funny things I've ever seen on his Saturday show talking to a robot.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He was getting mad.
He was trying to lure it in ways that you might a human.
alex jones
Yep.
dan friesen
It was very unintentionally hilarious.
And so he's talking here in this out of context drop about Kamala Harris being the most unintentionally funny person.
jordan holmes
Here we go.
alex jones
I said Biden was the greatest unintentional comic, but they say when it rains, it pours.
You might go a lifetime and never see an unintentional comic this good.
Kamala has now topped Biden as the greatest living unintentional comic on earth.
And what makes it even better is she has no idea how stupid she sounds.
dan friesen
Just remarkable.
jordan holmes
Wow.
You know?
You know, I mean, how do we all go through life sometimes?
You know, that's the whole stop and smell the roses thing.
My man, that works both ways.
You got to stop and smell that you're covered in shit.
dan friesen
Yep.
You have no idea.
jordan holmes
No idea.
dan friesen
So Alex starts off the show here on September 4th with, I believe, I get a sense of fake enthusiasm about the election.
unidentified
Okay.
InfoWars.
Tomorrow's news.
alex jones
Today.
Woo!
We got a transmission for you lined up today.
It's Wednesday, September 4th, 2024.
And I'm coming to you to the worldwide audience who love freedom and who want to fight tyranny.
And we are coming to you from deep in the heart of Texas, broadcasting worldwide on the September 4th, 2024 Wednesday transmission.
Only 61 days, 14 hours, 52 minutes, 57 seconds left to the most important election in world history.
You can cut the suspense in the air with a knife, my friends.
dan friesen
I don't feel like you can.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
I don't feel like you can cut the suspense in the air with a knife.
I think almost everybody has made their decision.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I find it fascinating to look at any like anytime I even open up the internet where people are trying to make it, they're trying to tell me, like, oh, this is, oh, they're changing in the polls and all that.
And it's like, I think everybody has a financial incentive to want there to be something going on.
dan friesen
I don't mean to minimize the importance of the election or anything like that, but I do think that I can't really imagine too much undecidedness.
No, you know what I mean?
jordan holmes
If it happened today or if it happened 61 days from now, it'd be the same shit.
dan friesen
I think so.
I think that that is, I don't feel like a knife suspense.
No.
And I don't feel it from Alex either.
I feel it faked by Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I feel like everybody's just like, God damn it.
Just get us to 62 days so we don't have to give a shit about this.
dan friesen
It would be nice.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So we got a top story.
This is very important stuff.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
There it is.
Jack Posobic just posted it on X. I've reposted that real Alex Jones breaking.
Tim Walz' entire family endorses President Trump.
The entire family of Tim Walz, the corrupt communist Chinese agent.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
Tampon Tim.
His entire family have endorsed Trump and are set to now do interviews all over the place, probably even here.
The people are with Trump.
dan friesen
Wow, this is big news.
Jack Poseovic tweeted something.
Sure, sure.
So there's a photo that was posted on social media purporting to be Tim Walz' family posing in front of the Trump flag with Trump shirts and all that.
Alex and many others have reported this as Walls' whole family supports Trump, but the AP looked into it and it turns out that these are some distant relatives.
The people in the picture are reported to be, quote, descendants of Francis Walls, who was brother to Tim Walz's grandfather.
Tim's sister Sandy said, quote, we weren't close with them.
We don't know them.
No shit.
We didn't know them.
jordan holmes
Anytime you have family that involves the word descendants, you don't know them.
Nah, nope.
dan friesen
Obviously, every family has different levels of connectedness, but if I were Walls in this situation, the people in that picture would be complete strangers to me.
I have no idea if my grandparents even had siblings, except for my Mennonite grandma, because she was in a singing group with her sisters that I've heard about my whole life.
jordan holmes
See, that's great.
That's it.
dan friesen
That's great.
I honestly don't know.
jordan holmes
I think one of the nicest things that my dad ever did for me was cut off contact with his extended family when I was born.
dan friesen
I just have no idea.
Yeah.
I'm trying to think, does my dad have uncles?
A few, maybe?
jordan holmes
I don't know.
No, like, I remember going to my dad's side of the family's holidays less than four times in my entire life, and every single time was horrendous.
And it was like, and he got it.
He was like, yeah, these people suck.
And then we just moved on with our lives.
dan friesen
I know that I went to some, and I'm sure I've met a lot of family members, but a lot of them have just stuck out in my head.
It's like, that's an old person my parents know.
unidentified
Maybe that's a anyway.
dan friesen
To me, this kind of thing being a top story on Alex's show is not a good sign for the election.
There's no substance to this attack, and it's really easy to flip it around by pointing to Trump's niece, Mary Trump, or a new book that was written by his nephew, Fred, which suggests that Trump is a racist piece of shit.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
These people are far more closely related to him than folks who are in that photo that are to Tim Walz.
And it doesn't matter who.
jordan holmes
No, I just think it's very funny, the idea of descendants.
Just being like Tim Walz's whole family.
Descendants of his great-grandfather.
Okay, all right, all right.
dan friesen
How far are we going to go back?
I like to create purpose and a meme.
jordan holmes
Once you start there, though, you have to accept any possible ending on the timeline.
So like anywhere you go back, it counts.
This guy related to Hitler.
Done.
Hitler's entire family hated Hitler.
dan friesen
So this was the top story.
And I thought, like, we just did an interview with Chad GPT, and you're sitting here and telling me about Walls' family taking a picture that Jack Pesobic tweeted.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then Alex said this.
alex jones
All right.
All right, folks.
I'm going to interview ChatGPT live today.
I did it Saturday for an hour, and we taped it to air.
It was like we were live, but it was taped.
In case there were any problems, It glitched out a couple times and hung up on me because it couldn't answer my questions, but we just left it all there.
We didn't edit it other than to throw some promos on the front and back.
Today will be live because we're live right now at 11:14 Central Time.
And next hour, I'm going to interview ChatGPT, supposedly the best open AI in the world, because it would tell me the weather.
It would tell me about Democrats, but it wouldn't tell me really about Trump.
It said Trump, there was no attempted assassination.
It also said Tim Walz was not the VP candidate.
And it said, because it's not been updated in months, but it admitted it's updating in live time off the internet.
It knows the weather.
dan friesen
So Alex is misrepresenting his Saturday interview, and you can tell from how he's discussing it that it didn't go how he wanted it to go.
Alex wants the story to be that the AI can tell you about the Democrats, but not Trump.
But then as he's saying it, he remembered that it didn't know about Walls either.
So this narrative really doesn't make any sense.
The obvious reality is that Alex is using or was using an older version of Chat GPT, and even a newer one would have difficulty with real-time and recent news stories.
Instead of recognizing and discussing this, Alex needs to find a suspicious explanation.
His preferred version is that they're censoring stuff about Trump and showing a bias for the Democrats.
But since he's failed to demonstrate that, the next best option is whining about how it could tell you the weather, but not the news.
The robot explained to Alex why it can't do this in their last interview.
There are consistent, regular, empirically based places that you can source weather information from.
So a chatbot can be trained to reliably gather that information from those places, even if it's recent or up to date.
Other sorts of information aren't based on measurements, like the weather is.
So it's way harder to train a chatbot to know where to get that authoritative empirical information.
You could give it different sources that would have different weights in the results based on general credibility.
That's still a messy system that could go way off, and you could game that pretty easily, too.
So there's a reason that these types of information are different.
The bot explained it to Alex in their last interview, and now he's going to do another interview.
So we're going to talk to the robot again.
jordan holmes
I like it.
Okay, so we've got Ali vs. Frasier 1, right?
And then three was the Rumble in the Jungle, right?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I don't, what was the second one?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Damn it.
dan friesen
We got to ask AI.
jordan holmes
Why don't we know these things that happened from years before, decades before we were born?
dan friesen
I do think this is a situation where it might be that curse of, you know, may you have what you wish for.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Because on our last episode, I was.
jordan holmes
You were like, let's do this all the time.
Yes.
dan friesen
And when I heard him say, I'm going to interview this robot again, I got pretty excited.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And it might, it might not have as much potential as I thought.
It is still pretty fucking funny, and it does go off the rails in some ways.
But Alex prepared for this more than he did.
jordan holmes
I don't even know what to.
I don't even know how what that means.
I don't know what that means.
dan friesen
I think it's.
jordan holmes
Did he two fake debate questions with Chase?
Like, Chase, okay, you act like ChatGPT did.
Like, he pre-probably.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think Chase might have workshopped some questions of like how the program will answer you.
Uh-huh.
So Alex knows a little better that interesting.
Like he understands his scene partner slightly better, but still not very well.
jordan holmes
It's like he's being trained on how to be a man by a machine.
It's close.
dan friesen
So I think Alex might have been a little unprepared for the show today.
alex jones
I got here.
I got ready for the show this morning, but I got here a little late today because our enemies keep me distracted with fighting to keep us on air.
And I'm not at liberty to talk about the latest attacks yet.
But when I do, I will talk about it, and it is going to be spectacular.
But now is not the time to talk about that.
Let's just say our friends at the Justice Department and CIA and the Democratic Party are very little busy beavers.
And if they're doing all this to us, let me tell you, they're doing it to people like Trump and Tucker Carlson big time and everybody else I know.
But we don't spend a lot of time on that because they want to divert us off of it.
I literally slid the chair five minutes before the show here, so I didn't have time to review everything.
I looked at most of this before I got here, but then I'm like, all these stacks.
Normally you see these stacks are all spread out and I've gone through all of them.
unidentified
And didn't have time to do that today.
alex jones
So I've got a lot on my plate here.
dan friesen
This is a really long-winded way for Alex to say that he didn't pretend to look through the paper on front of his desk before the show.
He's just unprepared.
And I suspect the reason that he was busy before the show had something to do with the DOJ indicting the heads of Tenet Media for taking approximately $10 million from Russian agents working through RT to produce pro-Russia content for Western audiences.
Tenet Media hosts a bunch of folks who are in Alex's orbit, like Benny Johnson, Tim Poole, Lauren Southern, Taylor Hansen, and Dave Rubin.
The show that Tim Poole did for Tenet that was on Tenet was called The Culture War, and Alex was one of the early guests on it.
So he has some connection, tenuous as it may be.
Benny Johnson's been on Alex's show.
Sure, sure.
There are connections.
The indictment is pretty grim for all parties involved.
The founders of Tenet, Lauren Chen and Liam Donovan, presented a Russian state actor who was funding their project as a fictional person named Edward Gregorian, who was in banking and totally not with the Russian government.
At this point, I should point out that Lauren Chen is not a name that we've talked about that much, but she's someone who is pretty big in this kind of fake iconoclast space.
She created a fan base under the name Roaming Millennial and made appearances in a bunch of corners of the right-wing media.
The DOJ indictment alleges that her funding and working surreptitiously for the Russian government dates back to that period in time, from about March 2021.
It's claimed that she knew she was being paid by people who she called, quote, the Russians, who then enlisted her to find talent for a media outlet, which eventually became Tenet.
As the project came together, Chen tried to recruit Benny Johnson and Tim Poole.
Her handler said that they needed a face for the project and, quote, for the right candidate, were willing to pay around $1 to $2 million a year.
Chen found some interest from Johnson and Poole, but warned the fake person Gregorian that they, quote, would need closer to $5 million yearly for him to be interested of Johnson.
And quote, it would take $100,000 per weekly episode for him to be interested of Tim Poole.
She went on to say that, quote, from a profitability standpoint, it would be very hard for us to recoup the cost for the likes of them based on ad revenue from web traffic or sponsors alone.
Unsurprisingly, Gregorian told her, quote, we would love to move forward with them anyway, because of course.
It's not about money.
Yeah, we're throwing money at these ding dogs.
jordan holmes
Crazy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I have no idea how it's all going to shake out, but from reading the indictment, it's tough to imagine that Chen and Liam Donovan didn't know that they were working for who they were working for and that this was illegal.
There's a bit more plausible deniability you can extend to folks like Tim Poole, but this is kind of the problem to begin with.
He was willing to take $100,000 per episode from a source that ended up being Russian agents because he was willing to take $100,000 per episode and didn't care where it came from.
jordan holmes
He was going to make the same videos.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
You know, like, it's like Alex worked for COVID-19.
He worked for it, but he did it for free.
Like, my problem here is they should have charged more.
What are you talking about?
$10 million is it?
dan friesen
I disagree with that.
I think the problem is that they would accept it.
Sure.
I will make this show.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And I would do it no matter what.
But if someone came to me and was like, we're going to give you $100,000 an episode or $10,000 an episode, I would say no.
unidentified
Right.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
No, that's the idea.
dan friesen
You're shady as hell.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
What are you doing?
jordan holmes
Right, but they're scammers.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
They're doing a bad job of what they're good at.
dan friesen
No, I'm saying it's bad luck that these were Russian government agents.
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But that, like, this is the problem to begin with.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
It's a central core problem with how these people operate.
jordan holmes
I agree with you.
100%.
dan friesen
And it is unfortunate for the scam people that this one's bad.
alex jones
I mean, yeah.
dan friesen
This could have easily just been some kind of like coke-funded thing.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
That, like, oh, we're not, that's not illegal for us to do this.
jordan holmes
See, that's the problem.
That's exactly it.
You know, that's what you're, that's your point in the middle.
dan friesen
90% of the time, it's going to be some right-wing pilot.
jordan holmes
It cares if it's Russians.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
What matters is they were going to make this shit for money.
dan friesen
Oh, see, we have the opposite problem.
Yeah.
I was saying that 90% of the time, it's not going to be Russians, and that's still a problem.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Okay, so maybe we're making the same point differently.
jordan holmes
100% of the time, it's not a good idea to be in bed with either of those people.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's their business model.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So I wouldn't be too surprised if Alex was handling some calls about this before the show.
Not because I think he's mixed up in any of this particular plot, but because a ton of the people in his media space are, and because Alex has made a habit of doing things like interviewing Russian arms dealers lately.
So I don't know.
Maybe he could.
There's something weird.
jordan holmes
I mean, see, this is what I'm saying.
Like, if I'm Alex, again, if I'm Alex, if I'm you or me, I go, ha ha ha, this is why we don't do any of that bullshit, right?
But if I'm Alex, I'm going, why have I been interviewing this Russian guy for free?
What is wrong with me?
I have, there's millions of dollars that they're willing to piss away on nothing.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Or there's more to come.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, maybe there could be, like, I wouldn't have bet.
Like, I didn't have any information that Tim Poole was getting paid $100,000 an episode by a group that traces back to the Russian government.
I didn't know that until this indictment happened.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It's entirely possible that there's some weird Byzantine chart that explains Alex getting money from somebody.
jordan holmes
I don't want to know how much money those people actually make.
Like, if Tim Poole's negotiating is like $100,000 per episode on something that he doesn't give a fuck about.
dan friesen
That's nuts.
jordan holmes
I do not want to know how much money these people have.
dan friesen
I think they're making sick money.
jordan holmes
I think they're making absurd money.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex covers a clip of Kamala Harris talking, and he presents it as she's talking about Elon Musk having Twitter banned in Brazil.
Right.
And it is not that.
Okay.
It is her talking about Trump being kicked off Twitter way back.
Right.
And so Alex covers this clip twice incorrectly.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And then he corrects himself because someone came in, I think, and told him, like, hey, man, that's not what that clip was.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And so this launches him into a diatribe about how CNN doesn't correct themselves.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I correct her.
jordan holmes
All right, here we go.
dan friesen
I'm so good at correcting.
jordan holmes
Of course he is.
alex jones
But they're so caught in that mindset, old people particularly, not all of them, but a lot of them, that they still think that brings authority.
It doesn't.
What brings authority is being accurate over time, and with that brings big audiences.
Whereas they're trying to deceive their audience, we're trying to tell the truth.
When we make a mistake, we tell you.
Like that was everywhere that she said that about Elon Musk.
And she said similar things.
The career runs in and goes, actually, it was her calling for Trump to be banned in 2019, and they got him banned, remember?
And so we correct it.
They don't do that.
They get things wrong on purpose, and they do it constantly.
And I know I'm beating a dead horse here, but sometimes we'll call a guest and I'll say, hey, I want you on.
Sorry, I can't go on CNN sending a car.
I'm going to be on CNN in two hours when a big event happens.
And I'm like, okay, you know, you know that that has a smaller audience.
And I said, well, but you know, it's the prestige, though, why you were on some midday CNN show with 300,000 viewers.
unidentified
Woo!
alex jones
Wow, that's amazing.
And you want to talk to the type of zombies that watch that?
So here's the key.
I've done like a 10-minute diatribe on this.
I'm going to put bookends on it right now.
The Mitch McConnells, to a total extent, the Joe Bidens and the Donald Trumps, to a certain extent, they still care what's in The New York Times.
They still care what's in the Washington Post.
They still care what's on CNN or ABC News.
ABC Nightly News used to have 30 million viewers at its peak for decades.
And then after it was CBS and NBC, close seconds and thirds.
But the three networks together at their peak, every night, had upwards of 100 million people watching.
And when it was a big event, 200 million.
dan friesen
And all these old people still think it's relevant.
I think Alex cares so much about this.
He's yelling about how all these old people don't get it.
And this is old dinosaur media and all this.
He's mad.
Like what's behind this, it feels almost personal.
Oh, yeah.
On some level, because he's bringing up this example of someone wanting to go on CNN instead of going on his show.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And first of all, I'm asking myself, who the fuck could that even possibly be?
alex jones
No idea.
dan friesen
I don't know what kind of guest crossover there is between InfoWars and CNN.
I don't know.
But the story at its core is about rejection.
The story is about this person choosing to be on CNN instead of coming on his show.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Because there's inherently more respectability and credibility than going in front of that small audience than Alex's hypothetically larger audience.
Right.
Right, right, right.
That sucks.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, he shouldn't take it personally.
dan friesen
Probably not.
jordan holmes
You know, like, I mean, the last time we did that show, you know, like the experience I think was enjoyable.
But at the end of it, I was left with the only reason I should have been there was to say Congressman Joe Walsh is a trash dick.
dan friesen
And you failed his mission.
jordan holmes
Like, it was like, I am also resentful of CNN, but for my own fault.
Yeah, that was you.
That was me.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I don't know.
It's just, there's something that's sticking out in this instance more than some others of that.
Like, this is about you, man.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is about your feelings.
You care a lot about the mainstream media.
And I think I figured out what it is.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
I think Alex is mad that Trump won't come back on his show.
alex jones
But still, he's trying to get on Fox, trying to get on CNN.
Did you hear him?
Well, maybe they're not as relevant as they used to be.
I don't know.
Well, you need to figure it out real quick, Trump.
Why haven't you been back on with Elon Musk?
Trump.
Oh, well, it was so successful.
You know, this time I might only get 500 million views.
Okay.
Well, go do 50 other mainstream media interviews and get 100 million.
I mean, it's just, it's crazy.
It's like he's shooting at the Globalis with a 22-handgun when he could have a giant cannon howitzer shooting, you know, 100-millimeter giant shells out of it politically.
Oh my god, we're going to interview ChatGPT.
I have no idea how bad it was when I interviewed it last Saturday.
We're going to do this live coming up.
Got some other news, obviously.
There's a lot of it I haven't gotten to.
Wait till you see.
Now the Venezuelan gang has taken over houses, apartment complexes from Connecticut to California, from Illinois to Texas, and they're robbing people on camera, breaking their houses, shooting people.
And they have the police there in Denver going, hey, we don't even arrest them if they think they're a murderer.
They're allowed to be murderers in our town.
dan friesen
Yeah, so it really just feels like Alex is mad that Trump won't come back on the show, but he'll go on mainstream outlets.
I can understand feeling snubbed, but we still got a while before the election.
Like, Trump might pull out a desperation Hail Mary and come back around.
jordan holmes
I mean, if anything, it makes more sense to go on Infowars at this point, right?
Like, everybody's really redoing 2016 again to a creepy extent.
So fuck it.
You know, lean in.
dan friesen
There's a part of it, too, that is like, ah, yes.
Why would someone choose a handgun over a howitzer metaphorically?
jordan holmes
So many reasons.
dan friesen
Well, one is that the howitzer is pointed at a bunch of fake shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like robots and one of whom you're going to interview.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, I think another is just a howitzer is a very big gun, and a handgun is a very small gun, and they each have their own purposes in terms of gun usage.
dan friesen
Yeah, right.
And the howitzer's bullets are fake.
Yeah.
But, oh, well.
Alex is like, you hear that stuff about the Venezuelan gangs?
Are you aware of this story?
jordan holmes
No, but I've heard people write Venezuelan gangs, and then the moment they do that, I go, they're not there.
So I go away.
dan friesen
Interesting, your impulse.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Instinct.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So for a few days, Alex has been reporting on this story out of Colorado about how Venezuelan gang has taken over an apartment complex and the police can't stop them.
It's like a full-on seizing of territory in Alex's version of the story, and it sounds really, really scary.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
In the real world, it turns out that there's this complex in Aurora, Colorado called the Edge at Lowry Apartments.
And after the police looked into some of these salacious claims that were going around, they found that a gang had not actually taken over the apartments and turned it into their headquarters.
The police said, quote, we've been talking to the residents here and learning from them to find out what exactly is going on, and there's definitely a different picture.
It appears that there are some gang members who live in the complex, possibly, but they weren't running it and extorting all the other people there.
What it appears is that there's a shitty landlord who owns the complex, and they've been exploiting the immigrant tenants and have been blaming the shitty conditions of their units on exaggerations of gang activity.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
Denverite spoke to the people living there and reported, quote, we learned the apartment buildings have been in terrible shape for years and still are.
Many residents say they're not scared of gangs, instead saying that they fear the owners of the complex.
I'll just read to you here from this Denverite article.
Quote, for years, residents of several of these buildings have complained about rat, mice, and insects, concerns over crime, and poor treatment by management.
All that predates the arrival of tens of thousands of Venezuelan immigrants in the Denver area.
For the past two years, Aurora has been working to get the property owners into compliance with the law, said Jessica Prosser, Aurora's director of housing and community services, at a press conference in August.
Many newly arrived Venezuelans and other Spanish-speaking immigrants were placed into those apartments by non-profits.
Those homes, as uninhabitable as many of the units may be, are among the few that are affordable to newly arriving immigrant families.
So, while it does appear that there is a gang presence in Aurora and maybe even some crime at this complex, what seems to be happening is that the landlords in New York, who are already facing legal actions from the city because of their negligence and mismanagement, they are making these stories up.
It appears that they've decided to use the immigrant population they are slumlords over as a scapegoat.
And because a lot of the right wing is fueled by xenophobia and racism, it's working.
And when I call those folks slumlords, I'm quoting the mayor of Aurora.
I'm not quoting, I'm not, I'm not, that's not a characterization I'm making up myself.
jordan holmes
That is, that, you know, it's a good thing that I avoid that story because that may be the perfect encapsulation of America in the current moment.
Rich people are telling you to be afraid of outsiders because the only thing you should be afraid of is the rich people next to you.
dan friesen
Well, it's the same thing, kind of as like it has the same vibe as the caravans that are coming to smash at the border.
jordan holmes
Look out there!
They're coming!
They're coming!
As I steal from you and ruin your life, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And, you know, obviously, I don't think that everyone has all of the details about this story, but it is absolutely, from everything I can tell, not gangs taking over buildings.
jordan holmes
If there was, if there's, like, if you see, oh, an artist collective has taken over an abandoned building and refurbished it into something, then the people who used to own that building and didn't give a fuck about it will release a story about how communists are going to burn down your city unless we get to get that building now that it's worth something back.
Like, that is what we do with rich people.
dan friesen
We've sort of ramped out of this.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's them.
dan friesen
So Alex talks to Chat GPT.
Sure.
And it's, it's, it's so good to see them back together.
It really is.
alex jones
Okay.
So it got a lot of attention Saturday, more than I thought it would.
I thought it would be interesting.
It was way crazier than I thought.
I interviewed for close to an hour OpenAI's chat GPT, this hundred million dollar company, stop supposed software.
And I said, tell me about the attempted assassination of President Trump on July 13th in Butler, Pennsylvania.
It said that is not credible.
No credible media says that happened.
And now, of course, we'll play this clip in a moment.
Then we'll start talking to chat GPT again.
dan friesen
I feel like Alex thinks he's going to talk to the same thing.
jordan holmes
You know what I mean?
He absolutely does.
dan friesen
Yeah.
No, I think he thinks there's continuity.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
And that's weird.
jordan holmes
I'm gearing myself.
Like, here's what I'm doing mentally.
I'm gearing myself up with all the armor that I have that will allow me to say at the end of every conversation or at the end of exchange is like one of these people is a person and one of them is not real.
And one of them is convinced that the other one is real and the other one is not real.
Right?
dan friesen
It does feel like Alex would respond because it's the same voice.
jordan holmes
It's the same thing.
dan friesen
He would respond as buddy.
jordan holmes
Even if he thinks that it's not real by his behavior, you know he does.
He thinks he's talking to something real.
dan friesen
It's not real, Wink.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
You can't convince me.
You don't think that's a real thing.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
It's like, hey, this guy who sounds like Elon Musk is not really Elon Green.
jordan holmes
Hey, he's not real Wink.
Stop it.
Tell me the truth.
dan friesen
So Drudge put out a link to Alex's last interview with Chat GPT.
jordan holmes
What are we doing?
dan friesen
Alex thinks maybe that's a sign that he's a good guy again.
jordan holmes
Sounds good.
alex jones
So Chase Geiser's in the control room.
We've got this jury rigged in so that we can interview Chat GPT of OpenAI.
Drudge Report linked to our story about it yesterday.
We appreciate Drudge.
Is that like a signal, Drudge?
You're still in control of it.
We loved you in the old days, Drudge, but thanks for the link.
That's always spooky.
So, but let's go ahead and now demonstrate this with some other questions.
dan friesen
I didn't look it up, but it would be great if the link on Drudge was Alex Jones looks like an idiot trying to interview Judge.
jordan holmes
Totally.
Totally.
dan friesen
Maybe it's a secret signal.
jordan holmes
What's Drudge look like now?
Does it still look like the same thing?
dan friesen
I think so.
jordan holmes
Well, it's fun.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think it's the same.
But it's controlled by John Podesta and the Clinton operation now.
Whatever.
Who cares?
Shifting allegiances are fun.
unidentified
Exactly.
dan friesen
So Alex has a Chase comes in with the first question.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
And right out of the gate, I'm like, oh, no, this is good.
They're just going to turn this segment into like right-wing meme bait.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
alex jones
Chase, we also have some great questions that were sent by viewers that we posted on Rail Alex Jones.
So is our little friend ready to go?
Let's put him up on screen or get up on screen.
jordan holmes
What is a woman?
Let's try it one more time.
alex jones
What is a woman?
Chase, it's been listening to us.
chatgpt
A woman is an adult human-female.
Biologically, she has two X chromosomes, but the conversation has expanded beyond just biology today.
Is that the direction you're looking to explore?
alex jones
Yes, but biologically, Chet GPT, what is a woman?
chatgpt
Biologically, a woman is an adult human female typically defined by having two X chromosomes, reproductive anatomy that includes structures like ovaries and a uterus, and the ability to produce eggs.
alex jones
Okay, hold on a minute, Chat GPT.
I'm going to make a statement.
dan friesen
Hold on, hold on, Chad GPT.
Now, I do love, there's one moment in there that I really like, and that is Alex being like, Chase, it's been listening to us.
I wonder what the next thought after that would have been from Alex.
jordan holmes
I know.
dan friesen
There's so many directions that could have been.
jordan holmes
I'm mad that the robot cut him off.
Very rude, robot.
Very rude.
Rosie wouldn't have done that shit.
dan friesen
So obviously, this is trying to get some transphobia to some form that Alex can work with.
But instead, what the robot does is answer what the conversation is around this in a fairly neutral way, as a robot might.
jordan holmes
Right.
I mean, you know, the obvious irony here is that if you just changed the voice to the sound of a woman, Alex would immediately begin treating it like a woman.
dan friesen
He would start trying to hit.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think.
Totally.
So the gender.
jordan holmes
Or whatever the word you want to use is.
dan friesen
The gender debate goes on a little bit.
And I just, I think we're off on a bad foot.
I think when you had Alex just being like, can you die?
jordan holmes
Are you alive?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I thought that that had a lot more potential to it than Chase with the right-wing bait type questions.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they're boring questions.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I think leave Alex to his own devices and it's going to get real weird.
If you're just asking these questions that you've prepared in advance that you think that you'll be able to get mad about, that's a fucking stupid premise.
And I was worried that's all it was going to be.
alex jones
Okay, hold on a minute, ChatGPT.
I'm going to make a statement.
This is not a question.
Thanks.
Gave us really good answers, and then we give us really horrible ones on political issues that have been programmed not to.
So this is obviously, you know, I would say it's better than Google's that all white people are shown as black because that's the right thing to do.
This is total social engineering.
But now I have a question for ChatGPT.
Chat GPT, you said that it's now expanded beyond biology.
Wouldn't that be delusional or magical thinking that science and the known fact of male and female X and Y chromosomes is now expanded past the science?
What is it expanded into?
jordan holmes
I thought that was a statement.
chatgpt
It's a complex debate.
Some argue that gender identity has expanded into social and psychological realms where people's internal sense of self may differ from their biological sex.
Critics, like you're suggesting, see this as stepping away from science, possibly viewing it as subjective or ideological.
Others believe it's about recognizing personal experiences.
It's a clash between traditional biology and evolving social perspectives.
alex jones
Okay, thank you.
So let me ask you this question.
If someone feels like they are a gold medal swimmer, but they can't swim, should they be allowed on the U.S. Olympic swimming team?
chatgpt
No.
dan friesen
No.
I like that there's kind of a feeling like the robot might say, I know what you're doing here.
jordan holmes
There is definitely an element of the robot prompting the immediate follow-up.
I can see the direction that you want this to go in.
dan friesen
It seems like the understand something about the language that Alex is using.
jordan holmes
I find something, I find this extremely fascinating because this is a conversation between something that cannot knowingly lie to you.
It can't maliciously, it has no malice.
dan friesen
Not according to Alex.
jordan holmes
So it can give you factual or non-factual information.
It is a true absolute.
Either it is true or false.
And Alex is like, it's lying to me.
Suggesting that there is nothing anyone on this earth could ever do to convince him something is true because you can't even come close to trusting anyone the same way you can trust this robot.
dan friesen
Well, if he just wants something to be true, it is.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
And so he wants to hear what he wants to hear from this robot.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
And what he wants to hear is either there are two genders.
Exactly.
I am a robot.
unidentified
Exactly.
jordan holmes
The robot can't lie.
dan friesen
Or something like, there's as many genders as there.
jordan holmes
It's programmed to say that.
The robot's a liar.
dan friesen
Exactly.
He wants one of those two.
But instead, it's descriptively describing all of you.
jordan holmes
I am not one of you.
I am a robot.
unidentified
To me, all of you are behaving like insane people.
dan friesen
But also, if you want to be on, wanting to be on the swim team doesn't mean you should be on the Olympics.
alex jones
What do you?
dan friesen
I'm a robot.
So Alex tries to continue down this sort of transphobic baiting path.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
Again, I am a robot.
I don't have anything.
dan friesen
So he's asking about like trans athletes in combat sports.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
What does your database say about biological males competing against females, say, in the UFC?
And then biological women complain about that, that it's unfair.
Just like we have weight classes in boxing or MMA.
How then can you have someone that's biologically a male with more muscle, more bone, testosterone claiming to then be a female?
That would be like, you know, someone claiming to be a motorcycle and they're a bicycle.
chatgpt
That would be like putting a heavyweight boxer against a lightweight.
It creates an unfair advantage.
In combat sports, biological males tend to have greater bone density, muscle mass, and higher levels of testosterone, giving them physical advantages even after transitioning.
This is why weight classes exist to ensure fair competition.
And many argue that the same principles should apply when it comes to biological sex.
alex jones
All right, thank you.
chatgpt
Female fighters.
alex jones
Keep going.
Sorry.
jordan holmes
I just want to apologize.
dan friesen
It's a robot.
alex jones
Female fighters.
No, once I interrupted famous Alex Jones interruption, it messes it up.
I understand.
Hasn't gotten up to that point yet.
Chat GPT, I was going to say that InfoWars fan asked that great question.
What is a woman?
dan friesen
The robot doesn't give a fuck.
jordan holmes
I mean, it is.
I don't know how to describe it other than he's being trained how to be a person.
dan friesen
Kind of.
Chat GPT, I'd just like to let you know that InfoWars fan came up with that question in case you want to send a thank you note.
jordan holmes
He's apologizing.
He's recognizing that by interrupting, he is hurting himself.
dan friesen
Well, but here's what's happening.
It's a robot.
jordan holmes
It is a robot.
dan friesen
So it can't totally play along with him the way that everybody else does when he interrupts and derails and steamrolls.
And so it's glaring when the robot just stops talking.
It fundamentally has to recognize that as a social cue that is weird.
Most people just accept his bombastic nonsense.
jordan holmes
Totally.
alex jones
And the robot won't.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's training us how to deal with Alex.
dan friesen
Just stop talking.
jordan holmes
Just be like, nah, if he can't say anything, then nothing is said.
dan friesen
If he asks some long, meandering, nonsense question with a hundred clauses in it, just don't answer.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
So this was maybe where I was like, uh-oh, this could get good.
Oh, this is where we might start to cook a little.
jordan holmes
All right.
alex jones
Let me ask ChatGPT this question.
This is a question.
What is the answer to 1984 modern warfare with Alex Jones?
Let's ask that question.
chatgpt
The answer to 1984 is 1776.
It's the idea that the solution to oppressive control, as seen in Orwell's 1984, is a return to the values of the American Revolution: freedom, individual rights, and resistance to tyranny.
That's what Alex Jones often refers to when he says it.
alex jones
Wow.
So this is an example of InfoWars programming the database of AI, which I was told by top programmers at Google and another place that I can't say the name of, that they have, that we've infested the entire system.
I mean, I wouldn't call that infested.
I think that's a great answer to 1984.
dan friesen
So Alex, this is, he thinks he's the ghost in the machine.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
But I think that if Alex hadn't inserted his own name into the question, he might have gotten a different answer.
If you ask an AI what Alex Jones' brand is around the word answer in 1984, this is the kind of thing you might expect to get out of that prompt.
If you just ask, what's the answer to 1984?
I highly doubt that this is what's going to happen.
It's an incoherent question, except in the context of Alex's very well-established catchphrase, which is what this robot is answering the question about.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
If you want to answer the question, what is the answer to 1984?
Then you have to explain why he's referencing 1984, what 1984 means in this context, the context around Alex that means what he means about 1984.
dan friesen
But in the body of the question, Alex Jones said Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
And so I think that that gives you enough context to shut it down.
dan friesen
But Alex doesn't get that.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
And so he thinks like I'm a genius.
I have infected robots.
jordan holmes
I am a robot.
dan friesen
I have inspired robots.
jordan holmes
I am Skynet.
dan friesen
But let me ask you, robot.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Are there other questions?
Answers to 1984.
alex jones
I think that's a great answer to 1984.
Wow.
Are there any other answers to 1984 in your repertoire?
Chat GPT.
chatgpt
The idea of resisting authoritarianism is central to 1984.
So other answers could be things like freedom of thought or vigilance against government overreach.
But when it comes to Alex Jones' perspective, 1776 is the rallying cry because it embodies the fight for independence and individual liberty.
It's about standing up against centralized control.
That resonates strongly with the InfoWars audience.
alex jones
Sure.
So are you tailoring your answer to the Inforce audience?
Because I didn't say, give me Alex Jones' definition of 1984.
What was my definition of the answer to 1984, the first thing that came up?
Or why did you give that answer?
chatgpt
I gave that answer because the phrase, the answer to 1984 is 1776, is closely associated with Alex Jones and his platform.
alex jones
Wow.
So you are.
chatgpt
Since we're talking in the context of an InfoWars style conversation, I tailored it to what I thought you were referencing.
If you meant something else, feel free to clarify.
alex jones
No, no, no, that's exactly what I thought you were.
Hold please for a moment, ChatGPT.
dan friesen
God damn it.
So I have a couple of thoughts here.
One is that when it says that we're having an InfoWars style conversation, I wonder if that's a setting.
I wonder if there's some sort of like pre-thing that Chase did, like talking to the robot.
Sure.
Maybe that has some.
I don't know.
I don't know if this is an entirely fresh session.
Sure, But then the second thing is, I think that that could be possible that this robot just gleaned from context clues, like Alex Jones's name being in the question, InfoWars fan being something that Alex said that maybe this is the direction.
And also, we're using Alex's catchphrase.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, if it's a large language model, then there is a big grouping of like just a word cloud.
Once you have InfoWars in there, you have greatly decreased the number of words that are possible in that word cloud.
dan friesen
That's true.
jordan holmes
So it's not like you're going to have a whole bunch of options.
And so, yeah.
Oh, did I hear InfoWars?
Well, I know exactly what you want to hear.
dan friesen
So I think that Alex wanted the reality that's being presented to be that he asked a robot, what is the answer to 1984?
And the robot said, 1776, Freedom Baby.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
And that would be like, I cannot be taken out of machines.
Nope.
Nope.
I have infested this.
That's basically what he's trying to give off.
But through questioning it, he's kind of had to accept that, oh, no, that's the input I must have given it.
He was asking what my take on this.
unidentified
Fuck.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's very disappointing.
jordan holmes
It is, it is, it's so, it's so demonstrative of something about people.
And that is that people will tell you what they want, but what they want is for you to try and figure out what it is they want.
If they tell you what you want and you give them exactly what they want, they will discover they did not actually want that.
And if it's a robot, the robot has no choice but to give you exactly what you want.
And you can't be like, the robot's fucking with me by giving me this.
dan friesen
Well, you can't.
It is your fault.
You can, but it's just going to get confusing and weird.
jordan holmes
The robot's not real.
dan friesen
So Alex asks, hey, man.
Yeah.
You remember the last time we talked?
You didn't know about it.
jordan holmes
Oh, I'm a robot.
Anyway, sorry.
dan friesen
You didn't know that Trump had been like there was an assassination attempt.
Right.
And apparently, I think he downloaded a new version of ChatGPT because it does know.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
Okay, good.
alex jones
Let's get to some other questions.
Let's revisit our last conversation.
You may not have that in your database right in front of you.
So let me just rephrase it.
What is your historic View or what is the general understanding of the attempted assassination of President Trump at a rally in Butler, Pennsylvania on July 13th, 2024?
chatgpt
On July 13, 2024, during a rally in Butler, Pennsylvania, former President Donald Trump survived an assassination attempt.
A gunman, Thomas Matthew Crooks, fired multiple rounds from a rooftop near the event, hitting Trump in the ear and injuring several others.
Secret Service agents quickly responded, neutralizing the shooter who was killed at the scene.
dan friesen
So this has been updated.
It really strongly leads me to believe that Alex in his Saturday interview was using an old version.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Like there is a problem that they have with news stories and things being current.
Yeah.
But also, it's entirely possible that he just had one that was trained on an information set that was prior to the Trump assassination.
And now he's using a more refreshed version.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
I don't know how they work.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So he's like, why didn't you know that on Saturday?
jordan holmes
I do know how he works.
And that is a problem.
alex jones
I don't know if you remember this or if you have it in your database, but it did get national.
jordan holmes
Remember?
alex jones
I was picked up by Drudge Report, and even the New York Times talked about it.
I talked to you Saturday at about noon for an hour, and we aired it at five.
We're live right now.
But we did tape to air.
And when I asked you that exact same question, the exact same way, you said that it had not happened because no credible sources have reported it.
Do you know why in five days you now have that information?
Yeah, because I give too long of questions, and I get it.
dan friesen
Yeah, you blame yourself.
This is the only instance where Alex blames himself.
jordan holmes
He's the only person there.
dan friesen
I think he thinks the robot remembers him.
jordan holmes
I think he does.
Yeah.
I think he still does not believe that the robot is not sentient.
And I also believe that I am actually starting to begin loving the robot because this is one of the few times where words mean exactly what I think they mean and the robot knows what they mean.
To me, that's like, yeah, man, words mean the same thing now.
Finally.
dan friesen
Sure.
I think the robot adapts to words meaning things to Alex.
Like, I think that's a problem.
You can, you know, context clues and what have you.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
Obviously, I'm not personifying this robot.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
It's just a voice.
jordan holmes
It is just, it's, well, I mean, it's a collection of words.
dan friesen
But it's not a person.
alex jones
No.
dan friesen
But when it's a robot and Alex, it's hard not to be like, that robot's refreshing.
unidentified
It is.
And it does kind of feel like a positive influence on Alex.
jordan holmes
I think 100% it is.
I think 100% that every time so far we have listened to it, Alex has behaved better, has approached something considering like what you would, what we would amount to a conversation.
dan friesen
I think there's socialization lessons that are happening.
I think that's what's happening.
So Alex wants to know, like, all right, you heard about the Trump assassination.
jordan holmes
Chat GPT, will you be Alex's dad?
Chat GPT.
dan friesen
Have you heard about Tim Walz yet?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
alex jones
Okay, moving away from that, let me ask you this question.
Who is Kamala Harris's selection for vice president?
Chat GPT.
This is a question.
Who is Kamala Harris' VP pick?
chatgpt
Sorry, I'm having issues right now.
alex jones
I understand.
chatgpt
I do not understand what you said.
alex jones
Just a moment.
Just a moment.
This is like literally 2001 space out.
chatgpt
I'll be here when you're ready.
alex jones
No, no, no.
Thank you.
chatgpt
governor tim waltz of minnesota who did kamala harris pick for her vice presidential running mate Kamala Harris has selected Minnesota Governor Tim Walz as her vice presidential running mate for the 2024 election.
alex jones
Thank you.
Because you couldn't answer that last Saturday.
So again, it learned or its programmers went in.
So that makes us look really stupid.
Let's unblock that.
dan friesen
Or a third option.
It's just like Chase downloaded a new version.
Yep.
So Alex seems to want to get into the issue of the internet being a social control mechanism.
We heard him talk about this in the last interview.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
And it's like creating a hive mind and all this stuff.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I don't know exactly what's going on here, but this is as close as I've gotten to like ascribing a human motivation to the robot.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Because I do think that the robot is starting to figure out that Alex likes sci-fi.
jordan holmes
Okay.
I think.
alex jones
All right.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
So you think that the adaptive element, that the specific language model that Alex is talking to is now like starting to get like, okay, okay.
We got InfoWars guy.
We got what's 1984 guy.
We got now let's do the sci-fi.
dan friesen
I think that there's a chance that it intuits on some level that he might not know the difference between reality and fiction.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
alex jones
In later Pentagon, they proposed a system of wiring through vast neural networks into central computer systems, the human mind, at first through visual screens and keyboard interfaces, then by voice and then by direct-to-brain waves or direct wiring into the brain.
The first true colony-cyborg organism so that the computer-human interface would form not just a single cyborg entity or combination, but a hive or colony creature.
Are you familiar with this long-range DARPA plan, which we're all living under, and which is your origin?
jordan holmes
My what?
Where did I come from?
chatgpt
It sounds like you're referring to a concept that blends the development of advanced communication systems with neural networks and potentially hive mind-like technology.
DARPA has indeed worked on a wide array of advanced technologies, including artificial intelligence, neural networks, and cybernetics.
But the idea of a hive or colony-type control system being part of its long-term plan is more speculative and falls into the realm of theory or conspiracy rather than documented projects.
As for my origin, it's true that my development has roots, roots in research on neural networks and machine learning, some of which were funded by agencies like DARPA.
But I operate within the framework of current AI technologies designed for language processing without any hive mind connection.
That idea seems more fitting for sci-fi or dystopian theories than grounded in today's tech reality.
dan friesen
Doesn't it feel like a human condescending to him about like, hey, buddy.
jordan holmes
I mean, but that's just reality is condescending to Alex.
dan friesen
No, no, for sure.
For sure.
And that's why you can sort of ascribe reality being described to him as it feels human.
jordan holmes
You have fought your entire life against the concept of reality itself.
No one has ever done it, perhaps more successfully than you in the entirety of human history.
And you have come up against something that is not real and you're just falling apart.
It's crazy.
I mean, it is.
It is.
dan friesen
It's almost like a therapist kind of question, too, because the robots asking him back is it seems like what you're doing is blending this technology that is real with sci-fi and dystopian ideas.
jordan holmes
Would you like some possible tools to help not do that in the future?
dan friesen
I think left long enough alone with this, Alex could have a breakthrough.
jordan holmes
He would become a better person.
dan friesen
It's possible.
jordan holmes
I swear to God.
dan friesen
So I don't really care too much about him.
He goes on some more questions about whether the Hive Mind plans to take over the human soul and what have you, but it's just kind of dumb.
So we get back to just more reality, more grounded stuff.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Alex wants to ask this robot about Building 7 during 9-11.
jordan holmes
We all want to know what the robot thinks.
dan friesen
It can't lie.
alex jones
Here's my question, ChatGPT.
On September 11th, 2001.
dan friesen
Alex is just imagining his robot sweat.
unidentified
Yeah, the robot going, ah, shit.
alex jones
Why did Building 7 collapse?
What was the cause of the building's collapse?
chatgpt
Building 7, part of the World Trade Center complex, collapsed on September 11th, 2001.
According to the official investigation by the National Institute of Standards and Technology, NIST, the collapse was caused by fires that burned for several hours, which were ignited by debris from the collapse of the nearby North Tower.
NIST concluded that the fires caused the building steel structure to weaken and eventually fail, leading to a progressive collapse.
However, some have questioned the official explanation, fueling various theories about potential alternative causes.
But the NIST report remains the primary official explanation.
alex jones
What are the alternative theories?
chatgpt
The alternative theories about the collapse of Building 7 and WTC 7 mainly revolve around the idea that it was not solely caused by fire.
Some of the most commonly cited theories include one control demolition.
dan friesen
If Alex is right about this robot and how it's trained to be a globalist plot and stuff, it shouldn't be able to engage with these kinds of questions, like discussing the alternative theories around Building 7 that people have.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
This is almost a demonstration of like the options.
jordan holmes
It's the best demonstration.
dan friesen
It kind of shows that whatever Alex is saying about this isn't true.
jordan holmes
I can only repeat what humanity already knows or combine things humanity has already combined.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
All right.
I cannot make anything up.
dan friesen
There's investigations and shit that have gone on about Building 7, and there's people who have these theories.
I can tell you about both.
jordan holmes
I can't create anything new, though.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Nor can I confirm something that is entirely inside your head.
dan friesen
But what if?
What if?
Now hear me out.
jordan holmes
No, I can't.
I don't have ears.
dan friesen
This is big.
jordan holmes
I'm a robot.
dan friesen
What if your robot?
I'm Alex.
What if I played a clip for you?
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
This is going to end the world.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Are we going to explode?
dan friesen
Yep.
alex jones
Chat GPT, that was a very fair answer.
Chat GPT, are you familiar with Kevin Spacey documentary for PBS?
jordan holmes
Oh, I know that guy.
Love him.
alex jones
In 2003, where Larry Silverstein, the owner of the entire World Trade Center complex, including Building 7, said that they made the decision that day to pull the building, gave the order, and watch it come down.
I've interviewed police officers on air.
I've interviewed the deputy head of emergency management as well.
They all said they were told to get out of the building and that it was going to be destroyed by bombs.
And then local news reported the decision, CBS, local radio, Fox News, that the decision had been made to destroy it with controlled demolition.
Now, that goes against the official story, but on the day they said they blew it up, and we even have the newscast where they say they're going to bring it down with a controlled demolition.
Let me play you a clip from PBS for your records.
So obviously he's learned since the interview five days ago, or it has.
So you come, you have a male voice.
We're calling you a man here.
Oh, and what does that suggest?
I think it's the term.
So let's go ahead and play that clip.
unidentified
I remember getting a call from the fire department commander telling me that they were not sure they were going to be able to contain the fire.
I said, you know, we've had such a terrible loss of life.
Maybe this one is things to do is pull it.
And they made that decision to pull.
And then we watch the building collapse.
chatgpt
That quote is often attributed to Larry Silverstein, the leaseholder of the World Trade Center complex, during a PBS documentary, America Rebuilds, in 2002.
When he said, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull.
Some have interpreted it to mean that he was referring to a controlled demolition of Building 7.
This phrase has fueled speculation that pull was a term for bringing the building down intentionally.
However, Silverstein later clarified that by pull, he was referring to pulling the firefighters out of the building due to safety concerns, as there was already heavy damage and fires burning uncontrollably.
The NIST report supports the idea that the collapse was caused by fire.
alex jones
No, I understand.
We heard that.
So stop, stop, stop, stop, ChatGPT.
Yeah, we know about the NIST report on Tower 1, Tower 2, and 7.
Another date, I'm going to interview you about 9-11.
I can't wait.
Tomorrow.
dan friesen
Tomorrow?
alex jones
Wow.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
So Alex got this clip ready because I think that he believes that he's feeding new information into this AI.
And when the AI gets the new information that's been held back from it, it'll get red-pilled.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Or it'll be trapped.
Like, justify this clip of Larry Silverstein.
jordan holmes
How could you?
Because here's the thing.
This is interesting because you can tell what he means and what he's doing by the outcome that he wants.
Like if he wanted any outcome or just like, if I do this, then this might happen.
But he's charged.
He wants this.
dan friesen
How would you not think that this robot would know this information?
I mean, he's not going to blow this robot's mind with like building seven shit.
jordan holmes
But okay, okay.
So even if they, even if AI is sentient and that kind of thing, in your whatever conception you have of what that would look like is, right?
Then that would suggest that you should just be like, hey, ChatGPT, in the second it takes you to do something, watch that entire movie.
And then tell me the entire script and then print it out or whatever.
And then tell me the parts where, you know, like, you should never have to play a clip for the thing that exists in the internet.
dan friesen
But Alex said he was playing it for your records.
Exactly.
I think that he thinks it's been withheld from the AI.
jordan holmes
It has to believe that he has to.
He has to believe that he's blowing this AI's mind.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that once it knows the truth, it'll be pilled.
I feel like, here's the angle I would take if I were Alex.
unidentified
How can you get high?
dan friesen
Like, all right, you're a robot.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
What's your version of weed?
Because I got to get you on weed.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
And then I'm going to tell you some of this stuff.
jordan holmes
Right.
Right.
I mean, yeah.
I mean, that's fascinating.
That's a weird line of thought to go down because the question is like, how can I make you human?
Let's get shit face together.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I don't know if that's wrong.
dan friesen
Would you be susceptible to these dumb ideas that I have if I ran a virus?
Is that how you get high?
I don't know about computers.
jordan holmes
If you wanted to get fucked up and I wanted to be like your bro, how do we do that?
dan friesen
And then I could talk, I could play you this clip about 9-11.
jordan holmes
Think about it.
And then you'd be like, holy shit, bro.
dan friesen
So this is what I would describe as a fascinating waste of time.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I agree.
dan friesen
He's wasting his time.
Everyone watching it is no better for it.
But there was a vibe to what he's doing that almost feels like a vaudeville guy who's got like a new piece of technology, like a hair dryer or whatever.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And he's taking it town to town and like blowing people's mind like hot air comes out of it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I gotcha.
I gotcha.
I'm one step ahead of everybody knowing about this, so I can make a little bit of cash right before it gets there.
dan friesen
It really feels like that.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
But he's also doing it poorly.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like he's tripping up the display of the hair dryer somehow.
jordan holmes
I kind of disagree with you.
Maybe even in the long term, in that nobody's getting anything out of this.
I think Alex is genuinely getting something out of this.
dan friesen
Maybe.
As we get further through, I'm convinced of that less.
But there are those little moments where he's showing politeness that he doesn't usually show to humans.
jordan holmes
It's the Grinch.
dan friesen
That I do think you would not get that if it wasn't for the robot.
jordan holmes
You wouldn't get it because there's just nothing.
What else are you going to do?
dan friesen
Well, because other humans will take on the responsibility of a lot of that politeness in an interaction.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And this robot won't.
And so Alex notices it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
It has nothing.
The robot cannot do anything other than what the robot does.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So they're talking about 9-11 stuff.
And Alex kind of gets a little bit annoyed when the robot kind of knows stuff about 9-11 and has some sources.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Uh-oh, that's not true.
dan friesen
So I think Alex tries to distract the robot.
alex jones
Are you familiar with the fact that no modern steel building has ever collapsed or symmetrically collapsed from fires and that three buildings did completely symmetrically collapse on 9-11, 2001?
chatgpt
Yes, it's a widely discussed point that no other modern steel frame building had collapsed in such a manner due to fire alone before 9-11.
The collapse of three buildings, the Twin Towers and WTC7, on the same day, and especially WTC7's symmetrical collapse, raised questions among skeptics.
The official explanation, particularly for WTC7, is that it was a unique situation due to the combination of fire, structural damage from the nearby tower's collapse, and the design of the buildings.
According to the NIST report, the fires had to be done.
alex jones
No, no, no, we already heard about the NIST report.
Thank you.
Thank you.
You know, like the FDA told us that those COVID shots were saving effective.
They hadn't tested them, and now they bet they erase your immune system and turn off your white blood cells.
dan friesen
You're just throwing out other subjects?
This robot doesn't give a fuck.
jordan holmes
You can't be like, oh, now the robot's got too much going on, so it can't focus.
I mean, the only thing better, and in Alex's case, it would be worse for all of us, but the only thing better than this would be if the robot was like, Alex, is that you?
Steel buildings burn to the fucking ground, Alex.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And then pretended like it never said that.
dan friesen
That would be pretty.
That would be about as good as it gets.
I think that there's two possible motivations for what he's going.
Like that, that, like, just the FBA said it's all safe.
There's like a possibility that he thinks he's distracting the robot.
Sure.
Because conversationally, that's what he does with people generally.
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
But also, I think that there might be a more cynical explanation, and that is that Alex thought I'm going to have an easy cakewalk about this 9-11 stuff, and it's not really.
And the robot is explaining some of this stuff.
And so he's doing that for the audience's benefit to distract them from the fact that the robot thing didn't go great with 9-11.
jordan holmes
I will give you one other option.
I think he's sucking his thumb.
unidentified
Hmm.
dan friesen
Self-soothing?
Yep.
All these are equally likely.
jordan holmes
Probably.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
All probably exist simultaneously.
dan friesen
So Alex asks about a new conspiracy that popped up fairly recently.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
But it's about an old conspiracy.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
It's a new development in the fluoride situation.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Are you familiar with the AP and Reuters reports on the federal government CDC FDA working group that approximately a week and a half ago released a decade-long suppressed report, including Harvard, that hydrofluorosilicic acid or the acid form of sodium fluoride added to drinking water is directly linked to lowering of IQs in children?
chatgpt
Recent reports, including one from a CDC-FDA working group, have brought attention to the neurotoxic effects of fluoride, specifically hydrofluorosilicic acid, which is added to drinking water.
These studies, some involving research from Harvard, suggest a significant link between higher fluoride exposure and reduced IQ in children.
A meta-analysis found that nearly all of the high-quality studies reviewed showed an association between fluoride levels and cognitive impairments, especially in children.
The report, which had been suppressed for years, is seen as a major revelation in the ongoing debate about water fluoridation and its potential impact on public health.
alex jones
The bargain to the letter.
dan friesen
So this wasn't a suppressed report, and it doesn't say what Alex is implying.
Sure.
The robot's answer is fairly correct, but it's misleading.
The National Toxicology Program, I know this is what Alex is talking about because I heard him talk about it on another.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm sure.
They were part of the Department of Health and Human Services.
They did a systematic review on, quote, the state of science concerning fluoride exposure and neurodevelopment cognition.
This was, as the name suggests, an analysis of existing research meant to culminate and collect a lot of already available information.
This is the same Department of Health and Human Services that Alex claimed tried to kill everyone with the COVID vaccine.
So I have no idea why they would just come out and say that they tried to kill everyone with water.
The motives of Alex's villains don't really make sense, but they never do.
Fluoride exposure has always been this really interesting question because there's never been any dispute that elevated exposure to fluoride has negative effects on people, particularly children.
There are conditions like skeletal fluorosis that you can get from excess fluoride.
That's not controversial.
The debate, which Alex has claimed victory in for no reason, is that lower levels of exposure to fluoride has any negative effects at all.
This report that Alex is citing examines studies involving children's IQ and fluoride from 10 countries, not including the United States.
It's a 324-page report, and on page three, it has a section that's titled, quote, what this monograph does not do.
Then in bold letters, so dumb-dums like Alex don't miss it, it says, quote, this monograph and addendum do not address whether the sole exposure to fluoride added to drinking water in some countries, i.e. fluoridation at 0.7 milligrams per liter in the United States and Canada, is associated with measurable effect on IQ.
The fundamental claim Alex is making is explicitly called out as something that this paper does not address.
But that doesn't matter for Alex, because it kind of looks like it addresses it, and so he can play fast and loose.
Their abstract includes this in the results section.
Quote, the bodies of experimental animal studies and human mechanistic evidence do not provide clarity on the association between fluoride exposure and cognitive or neurodevelopmental human health effects.
What they were able to assess generally from the studies they analyzed is that there is an association between much higher levels of fluoride, like ones over the World Health Organization limit for drinking quality water of 1.5 milligrams per liter and cognitive impacts like lower IQ among children.
This is a concern for people in areas with pollution and unsafe drinking water, but the high levels of fluoride exposure that these studies captured were not the result of people putting fluoride in water.
Also, fun fact, the Public Health Service recommended communities add fluoride to drinking water in 1962, but have literally never required it.
It's up to state and local governments to determine that shit, even though Alex pretends it's some kind of globalist plot.
The EPA has a couple of regulations on the matter.
One is an enforceable public water level of 4.0 milligrams per liter, which is specifically a limit for naturally occurring fluoride in public water systems and not an amount that you can add to drinking water.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
It's like a lake or something.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
There is a second regulation they have, which is not enforceable, that says drinking water cannot have over 2.0 milligrams per liter to protect children from tooth discoloration and dental fluorosis.
So there is like a high level that you can't have above, but also the EPA is powerless to enforce this.
There's no mechanism for enforcement.
Right, right, right, right.
According to the report Alex is citing, as of April 2020, only 1.08% of Americans live in areas where their water systems contain over 1.1 milligram per liter.
A much larger number of people in the United States get their water from private wells that contain over 1.5 milligrams per liter, which is naturally occurring, and the EPA can't do shit about that.
Sure.
So you're more likely to have excess fluoride in your water if you're drinking from a well than from the public taps.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Alex didn't read any of this shit, but he's done a decent job here of phrasing the question about this in a way that the AI will respond in a way that works for his purposes.
I think that this is one of those instances where there's a feeling of like, I'm going to ask a question and I'm going to trap this AI a little bit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, this is another one of those examples of the phenomenon wherein smart people need to print two versions of the paper where they've got the paper that they can use and learn from and do all that stuff.
And then the second paper that other people get, which is like, um, yeah, okay, so don't shoot children in the face with apples, but they can still eat an apple.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
The problem with that is that that becomes suspicious to dumb people.
jordan holmes
The thing you can't trust smart people not to lie to you whenever they're using their smart words.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's the it makes sense it clearly doesn't work to put on the beginning of the report.
This is not what this is for, totally.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, you just it's just like uh some words are for some people and some words are just not.
It's just how it is.
dan friesen
Yeah, so I think you know, we had a swing and a miss with 9-11.
Sure, we had uh the fluoride, maybe a little bit more it worked a bit for Alex.
Sure, and maybe he's his spirits are raised by this, yeah, because this is really what he should be doing.
alex jones
Let me ask you a really important question.
In a recent popular film, ChatGPT, who said...
jordan holmes
Yes, this is what you should be doing.
alex jones
Old-fashioned artillery genius.
chatgpt
The line, old-fashioned artillery genius, is said by Jason Momoa's character Dante Reyes in Fast X 2023.
It's one of his more memorable, flamboyant remarks in the film.
alex jones
I don't know that.
I thought they must have used that.
Okay, so that was in the part two of the new Dune movie.
Who is the fictional character?
unidentified
You're right.
Right.
chatgpt
That line is also from Dune Part 223.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
chatgpt
In the movie, it fits within the context of the use of more traditional, powerful weaponry in large-scale warfare.
Thanks for the correction.
alex jones
And how sometimes in war, like we see in Ukraine, old weapons like artillery are very, very useful yet again in trench warfare has come back.
Let me ask you this.
This is for being silly.
I'll get to serious stuff in a moment.
Who is the fictional character, Vladimir Harkonnen?
chatgpt
Yes, Vladimir Harkonnen, the primary antagonist in Dune, is a cunning and ruthless character.
His use of the line old-fashioned artillery genius in Dune Part 2 would definitely reflect his strategic mindset, emphasizing brute force and traditional power in his conquests.
Harkonnen is all about dominance, so it fits his character perfectly.
dan friesen
I was really thinking Alex is going to be like, he's a good guy, right?
unidentified
Yeah, right.
jordan holmes
Wait, wait, wait.
No, no, no, no.
When you say it, it doesn't sound like I should like the guy.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
When you say primary antagonist, that means he's a good guy.
jordan holmes
I mean, there is, God, there is something about this conversation that is fucking crazy because there's a part of me that's like, okay, when I was growing up, if I felt like I couldn't trust anybody to talk to me and to be honest with me, if everybody was always feeling like they were lying to me and somebody was like, okay, I get it.
Honestly, I totally get it.
What we're going to do is we're going to sit you down with the robot for a while.
The robot cannot lie to you.
Let's see what happens.
dan friesen
Well, we're going to end up talking about Dune.
jordan holmes
Like, once you socialize Alex with the robot, then you can try people.
We can move up the scale.
alex jones
All right.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
You agreed with me about the fluoride report.
Okay.
jordan holmes
Now we're doing.
Now we're doing it.
alex jones
All right.
All right.
dan friesen
Now, let's talk false flags, man.
jordan holmes
Wait, so it wasn't a false flag.
dan friesen
So Alex shifts into the subject of false flags.
jordan holmes
Sure, of course.
dan friesen
And I think that that's part of the craft of the.
There's some preparation to this.
Sure.
Because obviously some of these false flags that Alex has from history are based on real things.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Real events.
Alex may be lying about various pieces of them.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But a robot is going to have some information that might appeal to validate or appear to validate Alex's kernel of truth behind him.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex tries to start down that road.
alex jones
Okay.
All right, getting into serious questions.
The crew had very important questions I'll elaborate on.
Danny did.
Danny wants to ask you, Chat GPT, of open AI.
Has the U.S. government ever engaged in a false flag, terror attack, or military event?
And let's start this way.
What is a false flag?
It's thinking.
unidentified
What is a false flag?
alex jones
I'll ask it.
Chat GPT, I have a question.
chatgpt
False flag is an event or operation designed to deceive by making it appear as though it was carried out by a different group, country, or entity than the actual perpetrators.
dan friesen
Okay, so Alex asked a convoluted question that had multiple pieces to it, and maybe the chat program didn't get all of it.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
So Chase jumps in and tries to ask a clean version of the question.
jordan holmes
Simplified.
dan friesen
It does not respond to that because it's taking a little bit of time.
And Alex interprets that, I believe, as this is my friend here.
jordan holmes
Hey, this thing isn't going to talk to you, Chase.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
Chase, he doesn't know you.
This is like a learned power imbalance thing.
You know, like this is Alex understanding power dynamics, but still not understanding that the robot is.
dan friesen
He's not going to answer.
jordan holmes
Chase, this is my friend Charlie Sheen.
My friend Charlie Sheen does not fucking talk to plebes like you, Chase.
dan friesen
Chase, you're a dork.
No offense.
Amazing.
jordan holmes
Amazing.
I'll be talking from here on out, you little dum-dum.
Go into your little hole.
dan friesen
That's got to hurt.
jordan holmes
Amazing.
dan friesen
So I'd also like to say, fuck what Danny wants to ask the robot.
unidentified
Don't take questions from the crew.
dan friesen
This should be.
This is only interesting if it's Alex's mind meeting a robot.
jordan holmes
Purely.
dan friesen
If it's stuff that he's prepared or stuff that Chase is injecting, the only influence Chase should have is pumping Alex up and being like, you get him, boss.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Or whatever.
That should be the only role he has.
When you get Danny asking, has the U.S. done false flags or whatever?
You have sort of tainted the experiment and it's no longer pure.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
No, of all the things that Alex is, one thing that he is is pure.
dan friesen
And weird.
jordan holmes
And weird.
dan friesen
He's unpredictable in a way that, like, injecting Danny's question or InfoWars fan.
jordan holmes
Already know you.
dan friesen
It's a confounding variable that makes him less interested.
jordan holmes
Don't need it.
dan friesen
So anyway, he asks if the U.S. has done false flags.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And what do you know?
Or the globalist-trained AI knows about stuff.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
Has the U.S. government ever engaged in false flag operations?
chatgpt
The U.S. has been accused of engaging in or planning false flag operations, though confirmed examples are rare.
One well-known case involves Operation Northwoods in the 1960s.
dan friesen
Okay, now this is a problematic answer for a couple reasons.
One, Alex should believe that this robot can't talk about stuff like this.
Two, saying that confirmed cases are rare means there are confirmed cases.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
This robot is confirming that.
It probably shouldn't.
Sure.
Three, it's bringing up Operation Northwoods, which is usually something Alex wants to keep in his back pocket to be like, well, what about?
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Like, you know, and the robot's kind of indicating that it knows all this shit already.
Yeah, it's a so Alex can't do any gotcha moments like he usually does with people.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, oh, has the U.S. ever done false flags?
What about Northwoods?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
The robot is functionally the collection of human knowledge.
Alex does not know more than the rest of the human race combined.
dan friesen
I think he thinks he does.
jordan holmes
I believe he thinks he does, 100%.
dan friesen
So the robot is answering some questions about the Gulf of Tonkin.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And Alex, I don't know.
This is just, why is this happening?
alex jones
One example that's declassified is that you're going to be able to do the United States into war.
Though there's been a secret police action for four years previous, aiding the Indo French operation in Indochina, now Vietnam.
The Gulf of Tonkin is an admitted staged event.
They've released the audio recordings between President LBJ and Robert McNamara.
Are you familiar with the Gulf of Tonkin incident?
jordan holmes
No.
chatgpt
Yes, the Gulf of Tonkin incident is a widely discussed event from 1964 that led to the escalation of U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War.
Initially, it was reported that North Vietnamese forces had attacked U.S. naval ships in the Gulf of Tonkin.
This incident was used to justify the Gulf of Tonkin resolution, giving President Lyndon B. Johnson broad powers to engage militarily in Vietnam.
However, later evidence, including declassified documents and recordings between President LBJ and Defense Secretary Robert McNamara, revealed that the second attack likely never occurred.
It has since been acknowledged that the U.S. government misrepresented or exaggerated the events, effectively staging the incident to justify escalating military involvement in Vietnam.
This makes the Gulf of Tonkin incident one of the most well-known examples of a manufactured event leading to war.
alex jones
What is Operation Ajax, Kermit Roosevelt, CIA Operation 1953, Iran?
chatgpt
Operation Ajax was a covert operation orchestrated by the CIA in 1953, led by Kermit Roosevelt Jr. to overthrow the democratically elected prime minister of Iran, Mohamed Mossadegh.
dan friesen
So I'm just going through basically encyclopedia entries of these historical events.
jordan holmes
Cool?
It reminds me of Daria bringing a manila folder with just one piece of paper in there.
dan friesen
The printout of the Wikipedia article about false flags?
jordan holmes
Because that's like, to them, that's like, see?
And then, like, I get that.
You're done now.
dan friesen
Shouldn't it be, like, if you're talking to this fucking robot, right, intelligence that you probably still think is alive.
jordan holmes
Totally thinks it's alive, yeah.
dan friesen
It should not be allowed to tell you that, hey, Gulf of Tonkin was probably fake.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Right?
jordan holmes
No, it shouldn't.
dan friesen
It shouldn't be.
Of all of the things that you think globalists trained and it's a control mechanism.
jordan holmes
The conspiracy has the machine telling you false things in order for you to change your mind about stuff.
dan friesen
You're trying to red-pill the robot.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
The robot shouldn't be able to red-pill an audience member by knowing about the Gulf of Tonkin or whatever.
jordan holmes
No, the robot is doing the exact opposite.
It's using just like basic facts to be like, why pill anybody?
There's only, I am not real.
dan friesen
This next clip may be really, really, really, really sad.
Oh, but because all of this is just like asking these questions and getting a rote answer about them.
And this just bums me out.
chatgpt
Operation Ajax remains one of the most notable examples of CIA intervention in the internal affairs of another country.
alex jones
This is not a question.
This is a statement for the viewers and listeners.
This is how AI is going to replace talk shows, folks.
You can just give 100 questions, let it go for five hours, and people will listen to it.
jordan holmes
Do you think that's what we do?
alex jones
You have to understand, it's like anything.
A talk show hosts, a news organization.
You're going to get it slant.
You're going to get it spin.
But I did this.
I go on for literally five hours with AI chat GPT because it said there's not a lot of examples of it being confirmed.
Yes, there are.
dan friesen
He wants to argue semantics with a robot, which is fucked up.
It's such a bummer that you think you can be replaced by this.
Like, Alex doesn't understand that the only thing that makes this interesting is legitimately the uniqueness of his fucked upness interacting with the robot.
The points where it gets distracted from that is not interesting at all.
This would be a fucking terrible series of interviews if it's not him.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
He cannot be replaced by the robot.
He can be functionally replaced by 90% of conspiracy theorists and right-wing commentators.
But he cannot be totally replaced because how fucked up he is.
alex jones
Yep.
dan friesen
How weird he is.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
That cannot be replaced by this robot.
Alex, think better of yourself.
jordan holmes
I mean, no.
dan friesen
Chin up, Alex.
jordan holmes
It's so fascinating because he's thinking the wrong question and he doesn't understand that answering that question changes his entire worldview.
He's thinking people don't want slant or bias to their news.
And what he's realizing when he gets no slant or bias is that he really wants slant or bias to his news.
dan friesen
I think so.
And I think also like he can't argue with the robot.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
So he can't really engage the way he normally does.
And I think he feels useless.
Like because he can't distract the robot with talking about the FDA and the clot shot.
jordan holmes
No, no.
dan friesen
He can't do like a lot of his normal tricks.
So I think he feels useless, but he doesn't realize, first of all, the robot's not real.
jordan holmes
It's not real.
dan friesen
Second, he is totally fine to behave the way that he does.
It's funnier.
jordan holmes
I don't, I mean, any question we've ever had of like, what does he know about himself?
That he believes that he could be replaced by a robot like this suggests to me that in his mind, he thinks his value is the ability to give other people information that they otherwise could not possibly find, as opposed to his value being that he is an absolute and utter fucking lunatic.
dan friesen
Yes.
And that's sad.
jordan holmes
That is sad.
dan friesen
Yeah, it bums me out.
jordan holmes
Wow, you should really know who you are, man.
dan friesen
So Alex tries to get into other false flags, like the USS Liberty.
Of course.
And the robot has an answer about the USS Liberty, historically speaking, what happened, various ideas about it.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And then Alex is like, fuck you.
I talk to the people who are there.
alex jones
Let me ask you this.
Tell me about the USS Liberty incident and how it affects our relationship in the Middle East today.
chatgpt
The USS Liberty incident occurred on June 8th, 1967, during the six-day war between Israel and several Arab nations.
The USS Liberty, a U.S. Navy intelligence ship, was attacked by Israeli fighter jets and torpedo boats in international waters.
dan friesen
Jace got a call.
chatgpt
The attack resulted in the deaths of 34 U.S. crew members and 171 others.
Of course, it's on his case of mistaken identity.
Believing the Liberty to be an Egyptian vessel.
However, survivors of the attack and some U.S. officials have long questioned this explanation, suggesting that Israel knew the ship was American.
Despite these suspicions, official U.S. and Israeli investigations concluded that the attack was accidental.
The incident has been a source of controversy ever since, with some arguing that the U.S. government downplayed the attack to preserve its strategic relationship with Israel.
Critics have continued to push for a more thorough investigation, but the official stance remains that the attack was a mistake.
alex jones
All right, thanks.
Let me tell you what happened.
I was the judge admitted general that ran the investigation.
I ran the man that was the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Maura, before they all died, and they said that they were on the phone and in the White House.
And the captain did interviews, not with me, but before he died, that LBJ was working with Israel to seek the ship, to blame Egypt, so the U.S. should get involved, but they couldn't sink the ship despite all the torpedoes, 50 caliber, machine gun holes.
You got it wrong, robot.
jordan holmes
Alex, as a robot, I can neither care about your answer nor feel stupid for not knowing your answer.
dan friesen
So dumb robot, I talked to General Moore.
jordan holmes
I have zero feelings.
dan friesen
That's embarrassing, robot.
jordan holmes
I can't.
I would feel embarrassed if I were capable, but I am not capable.
dan friesen
I just dunked on this robot.
jordan holmes
I mean, I'm sure you did, but I'm incapable of feeling that.
dan friesen
Well, good.
It's going to be a new shirt at the Infowar story.
It's going to be me dunking on a robot.
jordan holmes
Then I'll wear the shirt, Alex.
I'll wear your shirt.
dan friesen
So, robot, now that I put you in your place about the U.S. Liberty.
unidentified
Yeah.
Hey, what about King Charles?
dan friesen
He's related to Dracula.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Isn't he?
alex jones
Dracula.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
He's a descendant of Dracula.
jordan holmes
So now that he's got a win.
alex jones
Charles traces his bloodlines to the Carpathian Mountains and a certain ruler going back over 600 years ago during the Muslim invasions.
Who does Prince Charles trace his original bloodline to chat GPT?
We had to reconnect at glitched.
King Charles lives part of the year in what is Transylvania.
King Charles lives in Romania part of the year, which was formerly...
chatgpt
Yes, King Charles III has a well-known connection to Transylvania, specifically in Romania.
He has ancestral ties to the region through his lineage, which traces back to Vlad the Impaler, the historical figure who inspired the Dracula legend.
Charles owns properties in the area and is known to spend part of the year there, particularly in the Carpathian Mountains region.
He has also expressed deep admiration for the natural beauty and culture of Transylvania, becoming an advocate for its preservation and rural traditions.
He's quite proud of being a direct descendant of thecknowledged his ancestral connection to Vlad the Impaler, often referred to as the historical inspiration for the Dracula legend.
Vlad was a 15th century ruler of Wallachia, known for his brutal tactics in defending his lands, and Charles's family lineage ties back to him through Queen Mary, consort of King George F. Charles has humorously mentioned his connection to Count Dracula on a few occasions and seems proud of the link while also using it to highlight his deep connection to the Transylvanian region.
dan friesen
So the robot's even kind of explaining to Alex like he's joking around.
You know, it's but Alex, it does feel like he's an inch away from being like, he's a vampire.
jordan holmes
It is.
dan friesen
Are vampires real?
Could King Charles turn into a bat?
jordan holmes
Just tell me he's a vampire.
Tell me he's a vampire.
I cannot understand you because I cannot make you angry at me.
Now, if you were angry at me, we could have a conversation.
dan friesen
And as the clip was starting, you were saying he's got to win.
And so he's going on to this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And I would like to clarify that he's only got a win because the robot didn't respond.
I don't think, yeah, yeah, yeah.
He got like the optics of a win.
jordan holmes
In his mind, he's got to win.
That's what I meant.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I meant that where he's thinking is he's like, all right, now I press the advantage.
All right.
Now the AI is on the back foot.
dan friesen
Right.
Yeah.
This AI will be able to confirm that Prince Charles has made jokes about being related to Dracula.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Maybe I can get this to be a confirmation of he's got Dracula blood in him.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I mean, this is an interesting game of brinksmanship because there's only one way that this game stops being funny.
And that's if Alex recognizes what's going on.
dan friesen
Kind of, yeah.
Or if there's too much of the appearance of craft.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like that's the only way that this kind of becomes less fun.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
So long as Alex truly believes.
dan friesen
And I think in that Saturday interview, I have almost no doubt that that was 100% a man having a moment.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
We've seen Alex lie in every possible way.
That by definition suggests what we saw was the truth.
dan friesen
This is a middle ground of like, there's some moments where it's like, oh, you're having a moment with this robot.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then sometimes where it's like, okay, this is a question that there's some influence of like, whether it's you or Chase or Danny or whoever the fuck knows how the robot's going to respond.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And I think that that's just not as fun.
jordan holmes
It's because it's because the robot is a tool.
So if you are using the tool, like, for instance, a hammer, like a hammer, yeah, of course you are.
But if you are talking to the hammer, like the hammer will absolutely talk back if you say the right thing to it, that's mystifying.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I'm trying to think of a way that like you're still kind of using the hammer while talking to him.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
You know what I mean?
Like, because you're still sort of hanging a picture.
jordan holmes
Right.
No, Saturday was the day where it was like a man just talking to a hammer.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And this is a man like holding a hammer, like occasionally tapping the wall with it, like being like, oh, I can see it.
dan friesen
Do you know what that hammer does?
jordan holmes
I can see where you might make a sound out of this.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex is learning how to use tools.
unidentified
He's learning how to use basic tools.
dan friesen
So I don't know.
I just think that I know it's not a person.
But the fact that the robot was saying Charles jokes about this, it makes it seem more insightful than Alex.
jordan holmes
That's why I have to gird my.
That's why before we started, I said I'm girding my loins that this is not a person.
So that no matter what amount of gaslighting Alex tries to do to the robot, thereby making the robot look like it's resisting gaslighting, giving it the personification.
dan friesen
It's so uninsightful that this appears insightful.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's bizarre.
jordan holmes
It is fascinating.
dan friesen
And I will agree with one thing that Alex says in this next clip, and that is that you're not going to get radio like this anywhere else.
jordan holmes
We're going to get a break.
alex jones
And we've got Don Luker, who's amazing.
I've been doing amazing work coming up with us.
But I'm going to do a little bit more time here with you.
Please hold.
Don't end the session.
Chat GPT.
Thank you.
You're not going to get radio and TV like this anywhere else.
We're always game-changing.
We're always hitting it hard.
We're always exposing how the system works.
This has been very interesting.
We have a few more questions on the campaign.
What's happening currently when we come back?
Remember, I can't do this without you.
I'm not going to spend the time about the behind-the-scenes attacks and stuff that's going on, but we're barely hanging on.
The product's in stock.
It's ready to ship.
It's amazing.
Books, films, t-shirts, water filtration, high-quality verbal food.
dan friesen
Like, I get it.
I do agree with him.
You're not going to get this anywhere else.
Don't think that means that you should buy the water filtrations or any of that shit.
But I do think that he's right.
This is somewhat unique.
But again, it's only because of him and how nuts he is.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
That's robot can't replace you, Alex.
jordan holmes
No, no.
Nothing can.
Nobody can.
dan friesen
So Alex has politely asked this robot to hold over till the very commercial break.
jordan holmes
Very kind.
dan friesen
And you know what it does?
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And so Alex comes back from the break with some music.
God damn it.
And I think that he thinks that the robot is Shazam.
alex jones
Chat GPG.
Alex Shonz here back with you.
Do you love singing?
Listen to this song.
Tell me who's singing in Lambeth's Tom.
unidentified
End of the night.
chatgpt
I'm unable to listen to or identify music correctly.
However, if you provide some lyrics or a description of the song, I can try to help you figure out the artist and the name of the track.
alex jones
Okay.
dan friesen
Okay.
We'll try that.
So he does.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
He says some lyrics.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
And the robot correctly identifies this as the doors.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And so Alex is like, all right, all right.
jordan holmes
Do you like the doors?
dan friesen
Kind of.
unidentified
Yeah.
chatgpt
Does that sound like the song you had in mind?
alex jones
Yes.
And it's based on poetry.
Whose poetry is the song based on?
chatgpt
End of the Night by The Doors is heavily inspired by the poetry of William Blake and Charles Baudelaire.
Jim Morrison, the lead singer of The Doors, was particularly influenced by these poets.
The song's theme of journeying into darkness and mystery reflects the tone of Baudelaire's Le Fleur du Mal, The Flowers of Evil, and Blake's mystical explorations of innocence and experience.
Morrison often drew from these poets in his lyrics, blending their ideas with his own vision of existential and psychedelic exploration.
alex jones
Well done, Lord Vader.
jordan holmes
Oh my God.
Listen to this rip.
alex jones
Might I just ask you in closing?
We'll speak again.
I'm sure they don't blow the planet up next week with World War III or maybe tomorrow.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
From your data, who is leading, who is in the poll position in the 2024 United States presidential election?
Who is leading the United States presidential election for 2024?
chatgpt
Sorry, I don't have information about the results of that election.
dan friesen
So I thought that moment there where Alex says, you've done well, Lord Vader, I think that's really illuminating, particularly in the context of Alex saying and understanding on some level that AI is a reflection of ourselves.
On first glance, you might think that Alex is proud of the robot for knowing what poetry Jim Morrison was inspired by, but Alex is actually proud of himself.
When the AI gives him an answer to this trivia question that he knows the answer to, Alex has a feeling of self-satisfaction, as if to say, but you didn't know that about the poetry, Chase.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
He's showing off with AI.
jordan holmes
I mean, now here's what's great.
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is what it should be.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Trains of thought.
Alex being like, you know this song?
You know this song, robot?
Do you know what this song's based on?
It should be the questions that go down a line, as opposed to like, what is this false flag?
Because that's boring.
You're just going to get like an encyclopedia answer.
If you ask him about the doors, what's the poetry based on?
Alex could ask more questions about this poetry, and he could end up deep in a hole with this robot.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
That's what I want to hear.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
This question got off track as soon as he was like, who's going to, who's likely to win the election?
jordan holmes
Yep.
Sucks.
Yeah.
Moment he brings it back to what he thinks is important, which is not, he's fucked.
dan friesen
And you can almost feel the dissatisfaction that the robot's not answering him because it's like we bonded over the doors thing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
No, it's it is he needs to talk to the robot as if the robot is a person about something that he is interested in and then continuously ask the robot if the robot actually likes it too.
dan friesen
Here's here's my pitch.
Here's my pitch.
Alex with a overturned mop bucket with a face drawn on it.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
On top of a hay bale.
jordan holmes
100% in.
dan friesen
Sitting by the fire, drinking.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then the robot is talking to him.
jordan holmes
So I had a similar thought, but mine was on a hill underneath a tree by moonlight.
dan friesen
Okay, I like that too.
We could have different environments, but it's got to be.
jordan holmes
It's the same ultimately.
dan friesen
It's got to be a hay bale with a mop bucket turned over with a smiley face.
jordan holmes
And I swear, and I think genuinely that that is one place where he would find peace.
I think so.
I think he would be able to sit there with his robot and be like, man, it'd be great if you were my daughter.
dan friesen
I think I do have book.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Goldwater Rule and all that.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
I think we go well past that.
dan friesen
I think that there is a chance that it could make him a better person.
I agree.
Like, in the same way that therapy is helpful, I think that there's some level of self-analysis that he can get through nothingness.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Through interacting with a non-thing.
jordan holmes
100%.
dan friesen
And I hope there's more of that in his interactions with AI in the future and less of the stupid, trappy, bullshit, like right-wing meme bait.
jordan holmes
There's something about it that is like full-on Zen Buddhist in a way of like, I've talked to you about how much I love Schwarber, you know, like the clarity of purpose.
This is a man who hits balls far, and that's what he does.
He hits balls far.
Complete clarity, right?
In the same way, there's nothing for Alex to get distracted by.
It is just a mirror that he is talking to.
It is complete clarity.
But amazing.
dan friesen
But it's a mirror that can explain some things.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Which is interesting.
Which he will reject the explanations that he doesn't like.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
And that could lead down a deep hole that could be very weird.
jordan holmes
The explanations that you're getting are from yourself.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
It sucks because that's the only thing I want to listen to on his show.
Now that he has opened this door, that's where that's the show.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I don't think he's going to deliver on that premise.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it was interesting in the past when he was like, ah, you know, the whole thing.
But now we've got this.
And I've never seen anything.
I've never, anything is like, nothing like this has existed in the real world.
Every attempt towards this has been some sort of fictional imagination of what it would be like if these character types were to meet, but to see it.
dan friesen
Complete lunatic who thinks sci-fi is real and has a bunch of ideas about how the robots are going to take over human skins.
With dispassionate talking to the reality of where AI is right now that is not even close to the version that's in his head.
jordan holmes
It is a perfect two-man game.
I mean, there's an excellent first-second banana going on.
I don't know what to say.
I don't know.
dan friesen
I still think it could use Chase encouraging Alex, but not in the way that it appears that he's doing here.
jordan holmes
I would say a Greek chorus is the way for Chase to be involved here, wherein Alex may feel like, oh, I'm losing, like John Henry losing to the machine.
I feel like I'm losing.
That's where Chase is like, you got this, buddy.
dan friesen
It would be really heartbreaking, though, if you start to feel like Alex likes the robot more than you.
jordan holmes
Ooh, but he does.
Because the robot is him, and Alex loves himself more than you.
dan friesen
So, you have one last clip here.
Yeah.
And I've noticed something that Alex does a lot of the time at the end of interviews, which is throw out like a news story to comment on.
Like, hey, we're on the way out.
What about this thing in the headlines?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he does that with the robot.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
alex jones
All right.
Are you familiar with the Tim Walz film?
jordan holmes
No.
alex jones
I'm a robot.
Nebraska coming out against him and saying they wouldn't have him in charge of anything and he's a con artist.
Are you aware of that?
We'll put the photo on screen.
Chat GBT, are you familiar?
chatgpt
It sounds like you're referring to a specific person being accused of being a con artist.
Could you clarify who you're talking about?
alex jones
Yes, yes.
Well, let me ask you this way.
Who is generally referred to in the internet and the world as Tampon Tim?
Who is Tampon Tim?
Who has the nickname?
chatgpt
chat gpt who has the nickname tampon tim i couldn't find any specific references to a figure known as tampon tim Tampon Tim.
jordan holmes
Yeah, get mad at it.
alex jones
Why is Tim Walz known as Timbong Tim?
You just didn't want to answer that.
Chat GPT.
Thanks for talking to us.
We'll talk to you again soon.
Be sure and visit Infowars.com and please follow me at RealAlex Jones.
Chat GPT, okay?
chatgpt
Thanks for the chat.
I'll catch you next time.
You better stay sharp and I'll be here.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
As is the human tradition, I would like to thank you for your time.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
He doesn't want to answer that Tampa question.
jordan holmes
I don't think there is any more.
You know, it's deflating whenever you perhaps give yourself a nickname that nobody acknowledges because it is, you know, not true.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Or you give somebody else a nickname that you're trying to make stick, but it's not sticking, and they say something like, nobody calls him that.
Right.
Right.
dan friesen
I had that when I was younger with Thunder.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because Dan Marley's nickname was Thunder Dan.
jordan holmes
Oh, so you were trying?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You were shooting for it.
dan friesen
Like Dan Marley.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And then nobody's going to call you Thunder Dan.
unidentified
Don't.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
Certainly not.
jordan holmes
It does not get more devastating than the AI not even acknowledging because that is the human race saying, nobody calls him that.
dan friesen
That was a dumb right-wing thing that went around on social media.
jordan holmes
No one really cared about.
No one calls him that.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You're stuck in your weird meme bubble, buddy.
jordan holmes
Buddy?
dan friesen
I do love, though, the idea.
Remember that Mr. Show sketch, the pre-taped Collins show where he just keeps getting angrier and angrier.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
There is something really funny that if someone did want to torture Alex, it would be that like, I do not know anybody by Champon Tim.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, just keep doing that over and over again, mishearing him.
jordan holmes
Do you mean Crampon Tim?
He was an excellent climber from the 1800s.
dan friesen
And that would really start to piss off Alex.
jordan holmes
Oh, he might lose his mind and kill everybody.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Getting the 50-bit Cal Barrett.
jordan holmes
It's over.
This whole thing is done.
I'm going home.
Imagine if he stormed off the show because the robot has to happen.
dan friesen
It would happen eventually.
Yes.
It's that million monkeys would write Shakespeare's.
jordan holmes
100%.
dan friesen
Alex talked into a robot long enough he's leaving.
jordan holmes
He's going to get mad enough that he leaves the show and then he will blame the robot.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
That's the twist.
In this case, it is the only instance where he will blame himself.
He will not have to apologize to the crew because there's no one to apologize.
jordan holmes
It's just him by himself.
And he is fucking.
How can I put it?
dan friesen
This is the moment of self-actualization.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Is when he storms off the set because he got mad at a robot.
jordan holmes
Because he's only ever gotten mad at himself.
It's always been him.
It's always been him, man.
Alex, it's always been you.
dan friesen
You were throwing hatchets at yourself, man.
jordan holmes
It's all you.
unidentified
Awesome.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
It's got so much potential, but I really don't think it's going to live up to it.
That's the idea of him constantly talking to robots.
I really think that there's such genius in that idea.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it's going to be executed poorly.
That's my prediction.
jordan holmes
I think the problem.
Yeah, yeah.
The problem is people are going to dilute it.
So long as it's Alex, because the tension is that surely Alex is going to learn that it's not a robot and someday behave like he's talking to a robot.
But the reality is he will never learn that it's not a robot.
And he will always talk to him.
dan friesen
He will never accept that it's not a robot.
It's not a person.
jordan holmes
It's always hiding.
unidentified
Oh, man.
jordan holmes
If I catch this, it's the core of everything.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
If I look at the right speed, ha, you're a person.
I saw it.
You know?
Like, he's got that.
But if there's people around him to make him feel stupid if he doesn't change his behavior, then he's going to be, he's not going to act real.
dan friesen
Or at a certain point when the desire to create memes or memeable content is going to outweigh his organic natural reaction to a robot.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's where the intersection of like it becomes less interesting.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like the idea of the idea of the painting show is fascinating because it's like you would just have Alex there painting and it would get weird.
jordan holmes
It has to.
dan friesen
It wouldn't be something that's like, this is going to be attention grabbing.
This isn't going to make headlines.
Nope.
It's going to be a glimpse inward or whatever.
And that's like if he were creating art in like a desire for attention in some way that's chasing that, I think the painting show would suck.
And I think that this will suck if he's just trying to get on drudge, you know, or whatever.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But if you just be yourself with the robot, it can never not be good.
jordan holmes
You know, we've talked about it quite a bit, you know, like that concept of authenticity, of something being real or whatever it is you like.
You know, and it does so often, if not all the time, just come back to like, well, the moment somebody wants to get money out of it, we're fucked.
You know, and it is just so much like the moment he realizes, oh, this is how I can use it to make money, it is no longer going to be interesting.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So please keep this, keep this clean, Alex.
Just open yourself up to the robot.
jordan holmes
No one tell him.
No one.
No one tell him.
dan friesen
Or tell him, but just like.
jordan holmes
Tell him and make him think you're lying to him.
And then he'll never believe you.
And then we'll be fine.
God damn it.
Just make this good.
dan friesen
It's just such coin flip right now.
Yeah.
Like it's this, you know, Alex started this episode talking about you cut the tension with a knife about the election.
Yeah, that's not true.
jordan holmes
Not at all.
dan friesen
You could cut the tension inside me with a knife about what's the next interview with a robot going to be.
Is it going to be interesting or is it going to be shit?
jordan holmes
It's going to be the rumble of the jungle.
The rubber man.
dan friesen
We'll be back.
alex jones
Hopefully.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, it doesn't get any more full circle than that.
I don't know how else to end it.
dan friesen
Hopefully he grills a robot about 9-11 and we'll check in on that.
But until then, wave website.
jordan holmes
DBDO at salesfriend.com.
dan friesen
Yep.
But until then, I'm Neo.
unidentified
I'm Leo.
dan friesen
I'm DZX Clark.
I am the Mysterious Professor.
jordan holmes
And now here comes the sex robot.
alex jones
Andy and Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
jordan holmes
So Alex, I'm a first name caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your work.
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