Knowledge Fight dissects Alex Jones’ September 11, 2024 show, where he falsely ties the 23rd anniversary to "Deep State" 9/11 conspiracy theories while criticizing Trump’s debate performance as weak. Jones claims election fraud and boasts inflated viewership (14M on X, 20M for debate coverage), yet his financial appeals—like truck giveaways and t-shirt sales via Nate Hughes’ company—fail to reflect real audience engagement. His desperate pivot mirrors JD Vance’s racist narratives, weaponizing tragedies like Springfield’s May 2023 traffic incident while deflecting blame onto systemic theories. The hosts mock his irrelevance, legal evasion tactics, and moral bankruptcy, concluding that Jones’ stagnant platform now thrives on exploitation rather than credibility. [Automatically generated summary]
It's very interesting when someone says, I'm getting, like, tomorrow I'm getting, or whatever, because that could go, like, you know, your brain's Google autofill.
Yeah, someone, I got that root canal, and then someone very kindly brought up to me, hey, you know, people say root canals, baby, they're not what you're supposed to do anymore.
Yeah, I would very strongly argue that all of the disinformation network space and all of that stuff that's been created out of that was really a result of Bush and Cheney in the Iraq War.
Yeah, I think, especially the effect of the combination of 9-11 and the Iraq War, in as much as deeply traumatic events paired with sort of untrustworthy responses to them, create a...
Just a vast space that something like Alex can thrive in.
I recognize that we still have to go through the motions, but if one of the Uruk-hai is running for president, I don't think man flesh is back on the menu, boys.
It's like, oh, okay, well then we've got this one.
Now, could have Trump totally dominated her and done better?
Yeah, Trump won by, I'd say, 70-30.
If he'd have brought up 325,000 missing kids and said, you oversaw it, you're the greatest human trafficker in history with your cohort.
Your partner in crime, Mayorkas, and when I get elected, we're going to find those children, we're going to prosecute you for stopping the DNA testing and telling the crime gangs to come in and giving them money.
It would have been a 100.
He would have politically gutted her and decapitated her non-violently politically, that's a metaphor, to the world.
I don't know what the hell the Trump campaign is doing on issues like that, but when you've got the nuclear weapon and you can use it and win, what is the problem?
If he had said the magic words and demanded that Kamala Harris show her demonic form that is truly underneath her face, I would have been 100.
Then he definitely would have won.
If he would have forced her to admit that she worships Satan and is trying to kill all humans to usher in the age of Silicon in honor of the planet Saturn, if he would have done that, then it would have been 100.
And then you've got the three-on-one, and I knew what I was seeing, but even Megyn Kelly and Dr. Phil, but even some CNN people were like, well, they would do double follow-up fact checks on him like they were God, and of course they were lying.
And so it was Kamala and the two so-called moderators gang up on Trump.
They would talk over Trump.
They would turn his mic up too high, down too low.
Audio experts, Grammy Award winners, are on with Phil talking about it.
I watched the debate in full, and if anything, the moderators were overly fair to Trump.
He kept butting in and wanting to respond to things Harris had said, even outside of the format of the debate.
The moderators gave him a lot of leeway, and there was at least one glaring instance where Harris wasn't given the same courtesy because they knew that they needed to move the show along and that she wasn't going to throw a tantrum if she didn't get her way.
There were a couple of mic issues, but that wasn't just Trump.
Harris had sound issues, too.
It was a production issue, not a Trump sabotage issue.
I feel like we now live in a time where it's always in your best interest when you're someone like Alex to engage with stuff as if you're supposed to lose.
If Alex says that the moderators are ganging up against Trump and the sound team is in on it, then Trump's actual performance doesn't really matter.
If he loses the debate or it's just fine, then he actually should have won, you know, because the odds were up against him.
You know, they're stacked against him.
Winning should have been impossible.
Like, he just was that good.
On the flip side, if he wins, you just get to say that he defied all these impossible odds because he's just too good.
All of this is just fake storytelling stuff that Alex is doing, but he's doing it in a way that projects weakness.
A babyface going up against them would look really shitty if they talked about how the game was rigged and that these guys were just going to cheat in their match.
You'd rightly have a difficult time rooting for that person to overcome the odds because they kind of come off whiny.
They're living in this, like, they're constructing this fake reality, but because the other party isn't really participating with them in it, they aren't able to do it well.
Yeah, I mean, when you're all talking shit, you know, then everybody's playing the same game.
But whenever it's revealed that you're just, you're the only people talking shit, and everybody is being patient with you, like, the idea of, like, oh, God.
Can you, like, okay.
In 2016, I get it.
You're getting blitzed.
You're a media person who's supposed to be moderating a debate.
And this is Trump debate?
So you're like...
When we were doing this with fucking Gore and Bush, everybody was just like, lockbox.
So in this case, in this regard, I get you not knowing what to do.
But if you are now in 2024 and you're like, well, I am going to make my decisions based on the fact that I know that this giant baby is going to throw a tantrum and you're going to...
Because when he talked about it in two speeches the last three weeks, it went sensational.
Everybody wants that.
It's the right thing to do.
It is the winning issue that unifies everybody.
And I'm just sitting here watching it, and I mean, of course, oh, he trained with Tulsi to go after being the big police state person and putting his people on death row.
Didn't open up on her about that.
And look, I say this not to sit here and say I would have done it better.
Trump, overall B +, man the arena, works his ass off, 78 years old.
I'm not Monday morning quarterbacking this or Wednesday morning quarterbacking it, literally.
I am just simply saying that he kept the gloves on most of the time.
A little bit at the end, he took them off a little.
And I would like to see that.
So, we've got all that.
It's the 23rd anniversary of 9-11, which if you study it, which nobody's studied it probably more than I have.
He sounds really pathetic there at the end, sadly trying to hold on to some idea that he's a 9-11 scholar.
Alex has literally no idea what any of his theories were about 9-11, and the most successful thing he did around that event was to re-release someone else's already successful movie, Loose Change, and add his name to it and call it Loose Change Final Cut.
Yep.
Stolen Valor conspiracy theory bullshit from Jason Burmus.
But more to the point, you can see how much Alex doesn't really like Trump starting to come through.
Trump's not extreme enough, and he doesn't have the ability to entirely steamroll a presidential debate anymore.
His rudeness and tricks are kind of old now, so they don't have the same impact they did in 2016, so most of the debate ends up him saying insane things, and then the moderator's saying thank you, then they move along.
Harris didn't even feel the need to respond to most of the bullshit Trump was saying, and like I said, I think that's pretty good.
Alex wanted Trump to be his weapon, and he's losing his attractiveness as a weapon.
He won't take these headshots when he has the chance.
It's kind of like he's outlived his usefulness to the crypto Nazis and only really serves any purpose if he just cuts the bullshit and becomes a tyrant.
This is basically the frustration and tension that Alex is describing.
He kind of hates Trump because he embodies all of the things that Alex is supposed to be against.
But he's the only opportunity Alex has had in his lifetime to get the thing that he wants most, which is to wield the power of the state against his enemies.
This whole thing does have big made-a-deal-with-the-devil vibes.
I mean, it is really, we are in a situation where it does seem to be the only thing that makes sense is he's going to have to try and take over and become an actual tyrant, right?
I mean, that is kind of the problem with the stakes that everybody's put onto this election, is that if it is like, this is the direction of our democracy going forward forever, then it's like, well, yeah, it makes sense to try and steal it.
That's the thing you should do if you care, right?
I think that from a narrative standpoint and from making sense of the trajectories that we've been on, it kind of feels like Trump has to win and then become a dictator.
I think it feels like those are the things that are going to happen, or most likely to happen.
And it does feel really strange to imagine, like, nah, there's a scenario wherein Harris wins, and Trump is like, remember after the 2016 election when he was like, ah, lock her up, that was a good one.
The problem is, the problem with all of his trials and stuff is that by postponing them after the election, the thing that you have made very clear is that if you win that election, there are no trials after the election.
So if you lose the election, you're going to go to jail.
A million years ago, Trump should do this again every week, for heaven's sakes.
He went on with Elon Musk and had over a billion clicks.
They estimate over 700 million people watch more than 15 minutes.
That's one of the biggest broadcasts in history, not the biggest.
Okay?
Hell, for something that big, they should have a video element.
Musk could fly to Mar-a-Lago or meet Trump or Trump should come to Austin, set up cameras, have a video stream as well as an audio stream, and it'll have even more viewers.
Please, do a six-hour symposium or something.
But, oh, we've got to run to ABC.
We've got to run to CNN, whose average show has like a million, two million viewers on ABC, a million on their biggest shows on CNN, 100,000 average show.
I mean, they're just a facade.
And I made the point that I couldn't count them all up just on X alone, but I did look at...
A lot of big channels, and our coverage of Musk, Trump, before, during, and after, for like four hours, it was an hour and 15 minutes with Trump, but about an hour before, you know, the hour and 15 with Trump and Musk, about an hour and a half after, so three and a half, four hours, we had easily 15, 16 million just on X, that we had four streams going out, and it was pushing 15, 16 million.
And if you want to see this today, you can see it.
It's up on Infowars.com.
We have the different streams and links there for you.
You can see what we had yesterday in the pregame, during the debate, and after for the three hours.
I guess it was about...
Real coverage started at about 6 to 1 a.m.
So how many hours is that?
That's seven hours.
And you can see the article on Infowars.com.
Here it is.
Breaking.
Infowars received over 14 million...
Viewers on X alone during our Trump-Harris debate coverage.
It feels like it goes on for what feels like forever.
But, like, honestly, a lot of his show is like that.
I believe you.
So, enjoy.
But Alex is trying to make this point that Trump talking to Elon got a lot of clicks on Twitter and that the debate on ABC got less viewers than that, so Trump should do more interviews with Musk and less mainstream stuff like the debate on ABC.
It's a pretty simple point that Alex has to talk about incessantly because it gives him this pretext to brag about his own inflated numbers.
A lot of that information is entirely inaccurate, but I don't really care to argue about Alex's numbers or Elon's.
Suffice it to say that Twitter is not doing record numbers.
The opposite is actually happening.
More or less destroying a social media company.
But I want to pretend that it's all true, because it's actually kind of worse if it is.
If that is the case, that hundreds of millions of people, maybe a billion people, watched the Trump-Elon interview, possibly a thousand times the viewership of ABC, what does the world actually remember about it, other than it happened?
In theory, based on what Alex is saying, it should have been a moment that'll be recorded by history and taught to classes in the future.
But I would bet a nice chunk of change that Alex doesn't even remember the specifics of what happened, other than maybe the fact that they started late because the text sucked.
If what Alex is saying is true...
Then he's really just illustrating how little of an impact his genre of social media has on the real world.
Your shit can get a billion hits and it doesn't move the needle in a meaningful way.
This isn't the flex that Alex thinks that it is.
All of these numbers are actually making him look worse.
It is interesting to think about it in that context of, like, if there were a billion views, exactly one billion, that would put it on par with, like, when the penguin falls and everybody hears it go, you know, a billion people have seen that, you know.
And if that is the same, then they're of equal substance.
There's about as much you get out of both of them.
And if I'm doing a show for 10,000 people at Madison Square Garden or whatever, I do not want to end that show and be like, man, I can't believe I did a show for 10,000 people who shrugged.
What a shrug show!
If I'm going to get shrugs, I'll do it for 10 people.
If I'm going to do 10,000, I want fucking big goddamn laughs.
The corporate dinosaur media is a shadow of a shadow of a shadow of a shadow.
Compared to the independent media that is the media.
We have won.
There's election fraud in place.
They're trying to convince you this is a close race.
It's not.
If he doesn't win, it is election theft.
And they always, oh, the fact checkers, there's no evidence, she's right, that there was any fraud in 2020.
None of the judges would hear it.
They said there's no standing.
And they punted it.
Trump's won court cases all over the country.
They're kicking millions and millions of illegals and dead people off the rolls over a million in Texas.
And then the Justice Department goes, don't do that.
We're going to indict you.
That's criminal.
They said that two days ago.
So, they're covering up the windows.
Trucks are driving.
When they say it's closed, the surveillance cameras get sued, the county and districts do, and you've got the footage of them looking over their shoulder.
Whether they can steal this election or not, all over the world, the New World Order, the Globalists, the WEF, the BlackRock Crime Syndicate, power is slipping away from them, and the world is quickly waking up to them.
So for me, that's the big takeaway.
We can obsess over the rigged debate, and why did Trump do it?
Or why did he say this or that?
And Kamala is usually bombed out of her gourd or hopped up on amphetamines.
She looked like she was on some amphetamines and a little mix of maybe something to relax her, but I think they got her meds right last night.
So this is the same dynamic I brought up earlier where all of your narratives rely on the expectation of you losing.
It sounds like what Alex is saying is that Trump is going to win, but in reality what he's doing is saying that Trump actually losing is not even a possibility.
So there aren't two possible futures, one where Harris wins and one where Trump wins.
There's the future where Harris steals the election and wins, and the one where she tries to steal it and Trump wins anyway.
According to Infowars lore, as we understand it, there is no world where Trump actually just wins.
Like in 2016 and 2020, Alex knows there's a pretty decent chance Trump is going to lose.
And he needs to have this built-in reason for why that happened that isn't the ideas that my world is based on that's unpopular with normal people and appeal mostly to severely online dipshits.
All that stuff Alex was saying is bullshit that we've discussed in the past, so I'm not going to get bogged down in it again.
But there's one point that Alex made that really sticks out.
He says that no courts heard Trump's election cases and that they were all punted for lack of standing.
That's something that Trump said in the debate, but it's a complete lie.
I actually just remembered this from watching the debate.
There's a moment where the moderator asks, recently you have accepted that you lost the 2020 election.
Anyway, a 2022 report looked at 64 of Trump's cases that were raised in six states after the 2020 election, which found that 30 of them were not thrown out for lack of standing, and they got hearings.
This report, which was written by conservative legal scholars, said, We conclude that Donald Trump and his supporters had their day in court and failed to prove substantive evidence to make their case.
It's all shit, but this is a critically important piece of the bullshit infrastructure.
This is the lie that allows the other lies to exist, because it creates the explanation for how Alex could be correct about all these things, and yet none of it's proven.
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If only Trump could have had his day in court, then the truth would come out.
96% of Harris supporters thought she had done better than Trump, whereas only 69% of Trump's own supporters thought he won.
Harris's favorability rose from 39 to 45 before and after the debate, whereas Trump's dropped from 41 to 39. ABC reported on a trio of polls that came out after the debate among people who watched the debate.
This included the CNN poll, which had a plus-26 margin for Harris, but also included YouGov, which had a plus-23 for Harris, and a Republican-sponsored poll conducted by SoCal Strategies, On Point Politics, and Red Eagle Politics that found a plus-19 margin for Harris.
I can't find any polling that shows that Trump won, and the overwhelming majority of all the coverage of the debate was that Trump looked bad, Harris looked good, and it's insane that the Yeah.
And then Taylor Swift endorsed Harris, and in retaliation, Elon Musk offered to impregnate her.
You know, I'm going to find out when he's at Mar-a-Lago because this is the kind of thing that will get attention.
And I'm not going to do anything illegal or anything bad, but I'm going to go make a scene.
I'm hoping the message gets to him, and I can call up Don Jr.
You know, I can call Kennedy up.
I do everything on air.
He doesn't have the same ring as he used to.
I give stories to.
That's not true.
I give a lot of stuff to Rogan and other people, but they listen to me.
If I give it to them, they do it, usually.
I can put a bow on it.
I've sent Trump, I've had law firms create reports for him about the deep state and the sorrows people were in his cabinet and he started going after him and that's when I got attacked really hard.
But I just, it's such a no-brainer.
Do I really have to start going after Trump on air?
But, you know, when you're in the shower and you suddenly get hit by a memory of all the horrible things that you've ever done and you have these dark thoughts, everybody's been there.
I mean, you know the stunts I can pull to get attention with Trump?
The stuff I can do.
I don't even go around doing this stuff.
I just want to cover the news, see other people get involved.
I could go out right now and just go to every event.
Go to the DNC, go to the RNC, go to the Trump events, go to all the things, make a huge spectacle, go to all the TPUSAs, go to the CPACs, and take them over.
I don't want to do that.
But damn it.
I wonder if I should skydive into Mar-a-Lago.
Of course, it's controlled space, and I'm joking, and that'll be a headline.
I think Alex knows damn well how disposable he is now.
How if he goes against the mob that he's helped create, he won't leave the mob.
It will turn on him.
Loyalty to this figurehead is what matters right now.
So sure, go try to take over some of Trump's rallies.
We'll see how well it goes.
Enjoy.
Turning Point is probably something Alex could have more success disrupting.
Their influence has been decreasing, and Charlie Kirk has outgrown it to have a brand of his own, so Alex might be able to mess with some of their events, but who cares?
Nick Fuentes already did that, and we've seen what the most successful outcome of invading them is, but I think that's probably a good option, because they had Alex come speak at their conference, so they let him in the door.
He could abuse that and really fuck with them if he wanted, but it's a dead end.
You know, that was the thing about when we were looking at Becca Lewis's research, you know, and she's showing, like, This whole thing is just separate from the media ecosystem.
It's just, that's him, you know?
And then when he got on the inside, he had to become like a Laura Loomer, and now he's nothing.
If we're a thousand light years away and we're reading about this story, despite the fact that he is clearly the villain, we go, aha, the irony of life and blah, blah, blah, blah.
No, I mean, when I first started doing the hearing aids, way back when, they would do these direct mail campaigns, right?
And the marketing people would show up and they'd show you the little postcard and they'd be like, this is the postcard that's getting our best response.
Half a percent.
And you'd be like, wow.
That's the response.
So you send out 20,000, you know, and you get half a percent.
There's a fine line between everybody put your hand on this truck, and whoever's hand is there at the end gets to keep the truck, and they shoot horses, don't they?
But right now, we'd love to hear from you on last night's debate and September 11th and how it changed our world 23 years later.
That's a big place to go.
The entire campaign, World War III on the table, forced injections, new deadly mRNA shots that they get in, and open borders, and expanded human trafficking, and the criminals getting away with it all.
So the only reason that the question was asked in the debate about this was because Trump said that Harris recently became black in an interview he did with the National Association of Black Journalists at their conference.
If Trump hadn't said what he said, there would be nothing to ask about.
Trump's comments were that Harris became black, not that she became African.
African-American and black are not the same word.
And Alex is asserting that Harris' father is not African to claim that he's not black, which is Alex intentionally playing games with words in order to make a racist point.
Regardless, Harris's father is Jamaican with African descent, so all this is just absurd levels of rationalization meant to slightly obscure these folks' fundamental racism that this world is based on and built upon.
You're creating a facsimile of the, whoa, whoa, or whatever, but that was supposed to be, in the context of music, this expression of somebody feeling something.
I happened to hop in right when you were touching on what's happening here in Springfield, Ohio.
I'm about a county over.
And no matter if the cat that was on the police video was killed by a woman here in Canton, Ohio, or if the The geese were killed by migrants at the park.
But no matter if some of the topics or the ways that stories were conveyed in the moment were off, the main thing is that we now have gotten the message out there that a town of What was 38,000 or maybe 40,000 has now had an increase of 20,000 people who are going to need assistance that the local community does not have to provide.
Now I'm noticing when I've dealt with my, and been in charge of my grandfather's disability and food stamps for the past couple years, that this is one of the first months that he has not been, or that his payment is now five days late.
Okay, well, feel free to ask questions as we go along.
Okay.
So, this caller is essentially openly admitting that it doesn't matter if all that stuff about people's pets getting eaten was a lie, because they accused Haitian immigrants of doing it, which drew spotlight to the fact that there's a bunch of immigrants in this town, which is...
Springfield, Ohio's population has been increased considerably in the past few years due to an influx of migrants.
but its economy has also improved along with it.
As the economy has generally improved without the labor that these migrants provide, the factories and industry in Springfield wouldn't have been able to operate the way that it has.
A lot that's being ignored.
So what's going on here is that on May 18th, 2023, a 35-year-old Haitian man drove a minivan into ongoing traffic, which ended up causing a bus to veer off the road.
The ensuing crash killed an 11-year-old child and injured 23 other kids.
The man driving the bus was charged with involuntary manslaughter and vehicular homicide.
Despite pleas from the deceased child's family, this event was used to stoke hatred towards the largely Haitian immigrant community there in Springfield.
JD Vance has been an utter disappointment as Trump's VP choice and is from Ohio.
In recent weeks, he's been trying to get some of that hometown cred in speeches, and he's hit particularly on the subject of Springfield, Ohio, multiple times, looking to inflame the feelings of resentment towards migrants, exploiting the death of this 11-year-old child.
People are posting bullshit on social media, blaming migrants for stealing and eating pets there, which is sort of working in concert with JD Vance's bringing up of Springfield, and so people are trying to validate it with things like, someone ate a cat!
It turns out it's not a migrant.
It's all just a bunch of bullshit.
Now Alex is pumping this up, and Trump is repeating it aggressively on the debate stage.
That's what Trump was talking about when he's like, they're eating pets.
It's literally all xenophobia and racism, and this caller is a really great representation of how it doesn't matter to a believer whether something is true or not.
He wanted to believe that immigrants were eating pets because he wants to demonize immigrant populations.
He's going to push the story that they're eating pets because it furthers that goal.
Once it's a little too embarrassing to continue pushing the story that they're eating everyone's pets, he retreats to just saying, well, aren't there a lot of immigrants there?
As if that's been his point all along.
He points to his grandfather's supposedly late check, which, if that story is even real, has nothing to do with migrants in a different city, and Alex thinks his dad shouldn't be getting, his granddad shouldn't be getting to begin with.
The eating pets thing might have been bullshit, but my grandpa's check is late, and that's what this is really about.
That's an unacceptable point, and that's an unacceptable way to present your shit, but that's exactly what this caller is embodying.
And they're giving away a truck in order for you to be lured into going and giving your email address and buying product to try and transition customers over to this.
That could not be more of like a, hey, I've got my idiot brother to run this multinational corporation because he's absolutely not related to me in any way.
And we're not going to spend the whole show on this at this hour.
We're going to go to your calls and spaces because Nate Hughes is a patriot.
He's a J6er.
He didn't want to get into it, but just like Owen, right now he's facing prison time.
So the owner of the company, he's trying to stop that.
I know you don't want to get into the case, but you did absolutely nothing, of course, just like Owen.
And it's just all part of the dragnet.
Absolutely criminal in my view.
But your whole company are patriots, and it's full of veterans, and you're just kicking ass, and you've been doing a great job for so long, and it's wonderful to be working with you.
He attempted and failed to steal a cop's shield and was recorded yelling incitement towards his fellow rioters on multiple instances.
Hughes is actually a living embodiment of the fact that Alex's version of the story on January 6th is full of shit.
Hughes was doing things that Alex claims didn't happen.
And on August 6th, just a little over a month ago, he pled guilty to one count of civil disorder, one count of assaulting, resisting, or impeding an officer, and one count of violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds.
He's set to be sentenced on November 15th, so you know he's hoping Trump wins.
Or else he might end up getting some horrible punishment like probation.
I don't know.
So anyway, he's a knife guy who's now a clothes guy who's giving away a truck, also is facing...
Don't talk about giving away your assets in the context of a bankruptcy while you're on air doing something that's meant to shield assets from bankruptcy.
Because they, I imagine, would not want to be associated with this very clear attempt on Alex's part to pivot customers from his business that is subject to bankruptcy over to a new dummy business.
I get the whole idea that we could, like, in their world, they can be like, ah, I'm hiding it from bankruptcy lawyers and all that stuff, but, like, at the end of the day, you're stealing it from families of children.