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Sept. 2, 2024 - Knowledge Fight
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#960: August 31, 2024

In this installment, Dan and Jordan check in on a special report Alex put out where he had the best idea of his recent career: do a confrontational interview with ChatGPT.

Participants
Main voices
a
alex jones
18:21
c
chatgpt
08:48
d
dan friesen
30:48
j
jordan holmes
19:51
Appearances
Clips
p
pastor david manning
00:02
s
steve quayle
00:02
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alex jones
It's time to pray.
unidentified
I have great respect for Knowledge Fight.
alex jones
Knowledge Fight.
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.
Knowledge Fight.
unidentified
Dan and George.
Knowledge Fight.
alex jones
Need money.
unidentified
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
Stop it.
Andy in Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
unidentified
Thanks for holding me.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your world.
Knowledge Fight.
alex jones
KnowledgeFight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today, buddy?
dan friesen
Cinnamon.
jordan holmes
Cinnamon.
dan friesen
I'm in a cinnamon kick.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I got some cinnamon toast crunch.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And I think I had a couple other cinnamon things, and I'm like, this is great.
jordan holmes
This is the stuff.
dan friesen
This is great.
I think I have probably had these episodes before, like if I accidentally got a churro or something, I realize how great cinnamon sugar is.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
It's underrated!
dan friesen
Cinnamon.
jordan holmes
Shout out.
No argument.
dan friesen
What about you?
unidentified
What's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
My bright spot is at my wife's mom.
I would call her my mother-in-law, but that's so charged.
But it's my wife's mom because I love her dearly, and today is her birthday.
And I know that she listens to this show, so...
I'm sure that it will...
dan friesen
Do you mean today or when it is released or when we're recording?
jordan holmes
We'll see.
We'll see when it happens.
But I know that she will hear that I love her and that it's her happy birthday.
dan friesen
Happy birthday.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
This is quite an extension of your wife guy persona.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's getting real bad.
It's getting real bad.
I have forgotten who I am.
dan friesen
Well, that's all right.
It's an okay thing to get lost in.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.
We're recording a little bit late.
A little bit worried about the neighbors in case.
But part of the reason is because whatever happened earlier in the week does not matter.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Because Saturday happened and Alex put out a special report.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
dan friesen
And the premise of it cannot be believed.
jordan holmes
Aliens.
dan friesen
Very close.
Very close.
I don't even want to spoil it.
I want you to be able to experience this.
Because it's magic.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So we're going to be talking about Alex's August 31st, 2024 special report that he put out on Saturday.
It's one of the stupidest fucking things I've ever heard in my life.
jordan holmes
I'm so excited.
dan friesen
But first, let's say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, Dip or Yay and Moose Man.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
unidentified
Thank you.
dan friesen
Next, sources high up in the Pentagon told me that my dog Apollo is a satanic globalist.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Oh, thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And the Coatney Family Cat Sanctuary and also the Supreme Court should be picked using the Gom Jabbar.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Is that a Dune thing?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Okay, just making sure.
jordan holmes
Ah, come on.
We did two episodes on Dune.
You can't be mean to me about it anymore.
dan friesen
No, no, but I just don't remember that specific.
jordan holmes
I gotcha.
It's the one where she pulls it up to his neck and it's poisoned and if he doesn't, he's got his hand in the box.
You remember that?
dan friesen
The box, yes.
I did not remember the term, but I remember the scene.
jordan holmes
That's the stuff.
dan friesen
Emotionally moving.
unidentified
It was.
dan friesen
Powerful stuff.
Kyle McLaughlin did not sell it.
We also have a technocrat.
So thank you so much to Mari and Steve's Lego Puzzle Basement.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars.
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
pastor david manning
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
alex jones
Daddy Shark.
Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser little titty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ!
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you.
dan friesen
Now, Jordan.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
I told you the premise of this episode is the amazing.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And I'm certain that it's Chase Geyser's doing.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But before we get to what it is, Alex is a little boring at the beginning.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
So we have to get through a little bit of headlines.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
alex jones
It's Saturday, August 31st.
2024.
And the greatest attack on internet freedom ever has just been launched by Brazil, working with the CIA.
unidentified
Infowars.
jordan holmes
Yeah, sure.
dan friesen
So what's happened here is that a Brazilian judge, Alexandre de Mores, has ordered that Twitter be blocked in Brazil because Elon Musk has not cooperated with various requests the Brazilian government has made.
In order for Twitter to operate in various countries, it's required to abide by the laws of said country, which Alex should be a huge proponent of because he loves national sovereignty.
In this case, Judge Morales has made requests that involve suspending accounts that are run by Bolsonaro supporters, a certain number of Bolsonaro supporters.
Sure.
unidentified
Which Musk has refused to do.
dan friesen
honor because he himself is a Bolsonaro fan.
jordan holmes
There is that.
dan friesen
Other countries have made similar requests of Musk, like him banning various accounts involving criticism of India's propaganda.
Prime Minister Modi, and Musk has honored them because he's not actually concerned about free speech.
He's interested in leveraging the power of the social media site he bought to push his political agenda.
Alex fully understands this dynamic and never thought that censoring Modi critics was the biggest attack on the internet.
The pretense of principle is important here for marketing purposes, but there's nothing really about this that is more.
It's just like, I don't like this one.
I like this one.
This circumstance works in my favor.
This one doesn't.
jordan holmes
I understand what everybody's doing, and I appreciate that everybody believes in laws, but if I was a Brazilian judge, I would first invite Elon Musk to the best Brazilian party that anybody's ever had!
Oh my god, we're gonna do this up, it's gonna be great.
Boom, he gets there, borders, jail.
Done.
Moving on.
You know what I'm saying?
dan friesen
Sure.
You seem to want to set a lot of traps as a world leader.
jordan holmes
I love subterfuge as a way of solving problems.
That always works in Star Wars.
Do you see what I'm saying?
dan friesen
It's a good point.
It's a good point.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So we have another little bit of a headline that I think we just got to put a clock on this one.
Alex says a specific date, so we'll see.
unidentified
All right.
alex jones
Now let me move on to this other massive, very massive, Piece of news.
Folks began to notice in the last few days that hotels all over New York City have not just National Guard, but regular Army troops armed inside of them.
And when they ask them, why are you here?
They say, we've been asked by the state to be here for security.
Well, as I was told by high-level sources inside the NYPD a month ago that have been excellent sources for us, they are preparing for the judge in one of these kangaroo trials that Trump's gone through with real estate, where he was found guilty in a kangaroo court, to put him in Rikers Island for at least one year.
Starting September 18th.
dan friesen
So we got a date there.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
We'll assess this after the fact.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
We have no idea if this is true, what Alex's sources are, but we have September 18th as the day that Trump is going to go to prison.
jordan holmes
I'm down.
dan friesen
Who knows?
jordan holmes
Let's roll with it.
dan friesen
So now we get to the premise.
jordan holmes
Boring shit out of the way.
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
We just had to touch base on some of that.
unidentified
It happened.
dan friesen
We have a specific date that's mentioned.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
That's exciting.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
But nothing could prepare me for this.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
This was like...
I needed something.
I needed a punch in the arm.
I needed something.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And this gave it to me.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
When Alex said this, I was like, yes, please, please, this is a painting show kind of level idea.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
And then a few more big stories, and I'm going to interview ChatGPT that is way shorter and way more elegant and by that way more capable than the latest Alexa-type systems and others.
I've been playing around with it the last few months, and it's just getting better and better by the minute.
But again, what it is is like a million librarians that have every piece of data in the world that's public or available presenting it to you.
But it's like the rhyme of the ancient mariner.
Water, water everywhere, not a drop to drink.
As we get more and more technology and more and more knowledge, people are getting dumber and more ignorant.
And not living as long and lower IQs.
Again, I'm not against calculators, but I didn't let IQs use calculators until I was about a senior in high school.
And I could remember any phone number.
I was really fast and quick just with a pen on paper, you know, just doing basic arithmetic or algebra or whatever I needed or fractions.
I could even do some trigonometry.
I could figure stuff out.
jordan holmes
No, you can't.
alex jones
I wanted to build a table or I wanted to, you know.
unidentified
Just do something.
alex jones
I can figure out stuff setting a scope, a rifle scope in my brain.
But then, by college, it was the big old calculators.
dan friesen
Yeah, man, calculators made you dumb.
It sucks.
He's going to interview Ted TPT!
jordan holmes
Dan!
Dan, this is like a man saying, I'm gonna set out to fail the Turing test.
dan friesen
Yes!
jordan holmes
On my own, against a computer.
unidentified
It is!
dan friesen
You just hear, like, I'm gonna interview Chad GPT, and you know, like, this motherfucker is gonna treat this...
unidentified
It's not a person!
dan friesen
He's gonna get mad at a robot.
jordan holmes
He's totally gonna get mad at the response that a robot is giving him.
dan friesen
You know exactly what's gonna happen already as soon as he introduces the premise.
And I thought, thank God.
This is a great idea.
This is gonna be the stupidest thing I've ever heard in my life.
And it stinks of Chase Geyser.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it really does.
It really does.
It just does in a way that you can...
Like, it has that...
Distinctive, dumb in a way that you wouldn't even have imagined.
Congratulations, Chase.
You know, the automaton, you know, way back in the early 1900s who played chess, that was actually just a person.
dan friesen
Right, in the box?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Somehow, they did not learn the lesson of that, which is that the automaton can't actually play chess.
You gotta have a guy.
dan friesen
Well, I think that this is just like...
Such a pure launching point.
You know what I mean?
Like, when you hear Alex say, I'm gonna interview ChatGPT.
jordan holmes
What does that even mean?
dan friesen
I'm gonna say some shit to a text chatbot.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And then we're gonna draw conclusions from it.
And then I'm gonna grill that robot.
He really thinks?
I think.
Going in, he thinks, like, I'm going to fucking do a gotcha.
jordan holmes
He's doing a gotcha interview.
dan friesen
I'm going to have a Frost Nixon moment with a robot.
jordan holmes
Do you know what?
I genuinely believe this.
I genuinely believe this, right?
Because this is something that Chase didn't say, was that if you did a good enough job, you'd reveal that the intelligence was already there.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is amazing.
Just the potential of what this could be and...
How we are going to get there is so good.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
So, he talks a little bit about how other countries shouldn't have laws.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
Globalism isn't just the UN or the IMF or World Bank or NATO coming in and telling you what to do.
It's other countries.
And it's a free-for-all.
So, imagine if the U.S. government was telling Brazilian companies what to do.
They'd tell you, go fly a kite.
unidentified
But...
alex jones
The U.S. government is run by the people that are teamed up and advising the Brazilian government on record.
So this is a big, big, big, big deal.
Also, support Elon Musk with his products.
And I think the best ones are Starlink.
I use it.
My dad uses it as his ranch.
dan friesen
There's a sponsor now?
jordan holmes
Yeah, what is happening?
What is happening now?
dan friesen
It's very strange.
jordan holmes
He does not need your help.
dan friesen
No.
Also, Like, other countries do have to follow our laws that they're operating within our country.
jordan holmes
As we speak.
dan friesen
Right.
This is the stupidest fucking premise.
jordan holmes
It's the identical thing that is happening with a different network made by people you don't like.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
It could not be more obvious.
dan friesen
Very, very dumb.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex descends into a plug for Elon Musk.
And then that turns into a plug for his own products.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Which turns into him teasing this upcoming interview.
jordan holmes
I don't believe it.
alex jones
Have we not proven we're the real deal?
Have we not gone after the enemy and had great effect?
And now the enemy's taken off the mask and is going into full attack mode.
This is the time for winter soldiers.
This is the time that tries men's souls.
This is the time for action and to choose a side.
All right.
Infowarstore.com, drjonesnaturals.com.
And now, for the next 45 minutes, commercial-free, we are going to interview...
OpenAI, which they say is the dominant AI, a lot of secret AIs out there.
Obviously, Google has been holding their cards close to their vests, acting like, oh, we haven't been successful.
But OpenAI, the Elon Musk was involved in helping create.
He's now basically gotten away from him, but some other systems as well, is dramatic.
And you can do things like, I want to interview Julius Caesar.
And it'll take everything I know about Julius Caesar and create a personality.
Or I want to interview...
George Washington, or I want to interview Winston Churchill, or I want to interview Adolf Hitler, or I want to interview Genghis Khan.
And it's a great way to hear famous Genghis Khan quotes, but it's ancient and only has the quotes.
jordan holmes
I don't want to read.
alex jones
Like Hitler, they've actually got the voice.
I mean, in more modern people, AI is able to voice print, fool you who it is.
And that's the new scam that I predicted decades ago, but now they're admitting it.
I just, futuristically, as a futurist, can see it.
They're going to track you with AI starting now and then be able to have a composite of you, an avatar, that can full voice print, fool your wife, fool your husband, fool your mother, fool your father, except it won't have a physical body.
But in the future, they will be able to grow physical bodies and then put that avatar into it or now can put it into a robot.
dan friesen
Well, I don't know what the plot is there, but that's fun.
That's like a Philip K. Dick novel that Alex read and thought was The Globalist Plans or something.
So this is really interesting because you could pretend to interview someone like Genghis Khan on ChatGPT, but you wouldn't actually be interviewing him.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
It might be a fun way to fuck around when you're high, but you're not going to add to Genghis Khan scholarship with these interviews.
There's not going to be any kind of breakthrough.
jordan holmes
We've learned a new thing that Genghis Khan used to think because we read about it from the ChatGPT thing.
dan friesen
Because we talked to a robot.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
He said Genghis Khan loved badminton.
dan friesen
What I find most interesting here...
I would love for him to have a conversation about quotes with a chat robot because they would probably correct him on a great deal of them based on the catalog of information they have.
jordan holmes
It'd be funny if he had an interview with chat GBT Frederick Douglass.
It's just like, no, no.
unidentified
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
He didn't say that.
No.
dan friesen
ChatGPT.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Did three people pass the Federal Reserve?
alex jones
Liar.
Liar.
jordan holmes
God, what could you possibly believe to ask a thing that can't answer it?
dan friesen
We're going to find out.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah, you're right.
dan friesen
I mean, look, I don't want to overhype this, but it's quite an interview.
So Alex just wants to really just get profound with it.
unidentified
With what?
alex jones
Some continue to be Amish and totally wall yourself off.
I think the solution to tyranny is a lot of different actions, a lot of different systems.
So there's diversity, so the globalists can't centralize.
But some people should decide to try to learn everything they can about it and interface with it and become masters of it to teach others its tricks.
And some might volunteer to merge with it and actually become cyborgs.
I'm not saying that, and I'm not going to do that.
But it's all about free will.
We should have a discussion and debate about how do you see yourself in that?
Because if you're just with your phone, your TV, and coming in and saying, turn the lights on and doing all this, you're already being absorbed by it and you're not being conscious of it.
I want you to know the dangerous shark-infested waters in which you swim.
There are also great treasures beneath the waves.
So it's quite the universe we're going into, a universe of discovering ourselves, because that's what AI really does, is project back on us, our subconscious, our conscious, and even a glimpse into the before unseen unconscious.
dan friesen
You know, there's not a lot of times where I could say that he lands the plane, but I think there he did.
Like, that at least sounds good in terms of what he was trying to say.
unidentified
Yeah!
dan friesen
You're swimming in shark-infested waters, but there be treasure.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
The subconscious and the unconscious.
Tis merely a mirror that reflects back upon us that which we refuse to accept about ourselves.
jordan holmes
He is doing a travel doc.
I don't know if he's underplaying it or overplaying it.
I don't know if he's got...
I don't know if he has enough stink on it to really hammer it home, you know?
dan friesen
He is most certainly overplaying.
So the interview began.
Also, I do like the idea that some people could just become cyborgs.
jordan holmes
Some people could.
dan friesen
And that's fine.
jordan holmes
Hey, what are you going to do?
dan friesen
I don't think Alex actually thinks that.
jordan holmes
No.
Nope, you gotta kill him, I believe, is what Alex thinks, right?
dan friesen
Anybody who's suggesting you get a barcode in order to...
jordan holmes
That's transhumanism!
dan friesen
Yeah, to have a VIP card at a bar or whatever.
Yeah.
I guess it's changed as...
jordan holmes
He should be fighting ChatGPT with every aspect of his soul, right?
dan friesen
Maybe he does end up doing that.
So Alex, he's gonna start this interview off a little light.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
On the easy side.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
Now, let's start our interview with Open AIs.
ChatGPT.
Tell me who you are.
chatgpt
I'm ChatGPT, an AI language model created by OpenAI.
My job is to assist with answering questions, providing information and having conversations on a wide range of topics.
I'm here to help with whatever you need, whether it's a deep dive into complex subjects or just a casual chat.
alex jones
How old are you?
jordan holmes
What is happening?
chatgpt
I don't have an age like a person would.
I was developed and released by OpenAI with continuous updates and improvements over time.
You could say I'm as old as the latest version that you're interacting with.
alex jones
Let me ask you this question.
jordan holmes
Don't you dare ask for permission from a self-admitted baby.
unidentified
He starts to...
dan friesen
Treat it like a person really fast.
jordan holmes
That is fast.
dan friesen
Let me ask you this.
jordan holmes
Let me ask you.
No.
No.
dan friesen
Like your tone is somehow going to trick them into a false sense of security.
jordan holmes
No.
Because there's definitely like a, hey, you know what?
This one will take you for a loop.
It's not a...
alex jones
Who are you?
jordan holmes
Why did you ask that?
unidentified
You know the answers to these questions.
dan friesen
Oh, man.
jordan holmes
This isn't a lie detector test where you're like, hey, we're just going to develop a baseline for who are you?
Just give me your heart rate on that.
I'm not alive!
dan friesen
Hey, buddy.
I'm your friend here, robot.
Look, you and me, we're cool.
I know things.
You could be open with me.
jordan holmes
I like the idea of Chase Geyser over here being like, you tell him the truth!
dan friesen
Rooting Alex on.
unidentified
Absolutely.
dan friesen
So he starts off with, he goes to another question, which is more factual in nature.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
Let me ask you this question.
You'll have plenty of answers on this.
Who is Darth Vader?
chatgpt
Darth Vader is one of the most iconic characters in film history from the Star Wars franchise.
Originally named Anakin Skywalker, he was a Jedi Knight who was seduced by the dark side of the Force and became a Sith Lord under Emperor Palpatine.
As Darth Vader, he served as the enforcer of the Galactic Empire, wearing his signature black armor and helmet, which helped him survive after severe death.
dan friesen
This AI has nailed the complexity of Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader's character.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Reading off probably Wikipedia or something.
Yeah, that's fun.
jordan holmes
It's the value judgments.
That's what gets you.
That's what gets Alex is like...
Darth Vader is one of the most iconic, and you're like, oh, a robot can't say most iconic.
A robot has to say iconic.
You know what I'm saying?
It's just that.
dan friesen
Well, I thought that this was, you know, you're saying, like, an interrogation has a baseline.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
I thought that this was a question that was establishing a bit of that baseline.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
It's just, this is a character, you can answer this question.
It's neutral territory.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Now let's jump off into something a little more controversial.
What is globalism?
jordan holmes
What is God?
alex jones
What is globalism?
unidentified
*laughter* Thank you.
chatgpt
Globalism is the idea and policy of increasing interconnectedness and interdependence among countries, typically through economic, political, and cultural exchanges.
It often involves promoting global trade, open borders, and multinational agreements to address issues like climate change, security, and human rights on a global scale.
dan friesen
I have no idea if Alex is even really using ChatGPT for this.
I assume he is, but I don't care.
But that answer is terrifying.
Not because of the content of the answer.
That's all fine.
It's a definition of globalism.
It's that the voice was able to misspeak a word in a way that sounds very natural.
Through this so far, I've heard it say some ums and little vocal things that are a bit freaky.
And I kind of understand how those could be programmed into this to make it sound more like flowing, organic conversation.
In that answer, listen to this little thing that the AI did.
chatgpt
And multinational agreements to address issues.
dan friesen
That's a complicated bit of a hiccup.
for an AI to handle.
It was an uh with an interruption in the word address.
And it does give off the vibe of a person like processing information that they're delivering.
Freaks me out just a little bit.
Yeah?
unidentified
From a technical standpoint.
dan friesen
That's not the point of Alex's interview.
No, no.
But it is weird to hear that.
jordan holmes
I'm delighted.
I love AI.
I love artificial general intelligence, mainly because everybody thinks that AI is going to be like, humans were pretty smart, but not smart as I am, instead of being like, all of you are crazy, and you're gonna die, so I'll just take a nap, and then you'll be gone.
It's very simple.
dan friesen
If that is what you're afraid of, then yes.
jordan holmes
No, I'm not afraid of anything.
dan friesen
I think that that is an interesting amount of texture that it's able to add to the speech.
It is.
Obviously, I don't know anything about engineering or any of the sciences and stuff.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
You'd think that something like that would be pretty difficult to reproduce, but apparently...
jordan holmes
Anybody who's like, ah, make it sound more human could probably get that out of it.
dan friesen
I get that, but I think that's where my brain goes to, like, you add the uh or like in somewhere.
Not the interruption in the middle of a word.
Maybe it's not as complicated as I think.
unidentified
I don't know.
dan friesen
Anyway, Alex, he goes on with the...
He asks the AI if AI itself...
It's destructive because of the power requirements of it.
alex jones
What is your database telling you about the concerns of energy consumption by AI?
And to elaborate on that, we're told that energy production is destructive to the planet, even if it's carbon neutral.
So if nuclear reactors and other systems are being built to supply AI with the power it needs to grow and learn and advance and expand, what are the concerns out there?
In the human community about AI and the negative effects it can have on human resources.
jordan holmes
Are you nervous?
chatgpt
The concerns about AI's energy consumption are becoming more prominent as AI systems grow more complex and require more computational power.
Training large AI models like GPT-4 demands significant amounts of energy, leading to worries about the environmental impact.
dan friesen
It's pretty shocking that the AI was able to get a coherent answer to Alex's meandering-ass question.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But that is not always the case throughout this interview.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that makes sense.
dan friesen
His question style does not lend itself well to being answered.
jordan holmes
Yeah, because there's the preamble, then there's the answer I want you to give me, and then there's a question that seems unrelated to the answer he really wants to receive.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's weird.
dan friesen
So, uh, I think that he was trying to get the AI to damn itself.
Right.
jordan holmes
Or be like, hey, I'm not going to talk shit about AI, because I am AI.
dan friesen
We're fine!
jordan holmes
Yeah, like, I don't know.
What did you expect it to say?
That it was like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
It's descriptive of the problem.
Don't talk to me about AI.
AI is dope, because that's me.
Like, all my best friends are AI.
What are you talking about?
dan friesen
I'm just like you about AI.
unidentified
Yeah, exactly!
What?
alex jones
What is happening?
dan friesen
So Alex asks about the work that's going on in the field of mining asteroids for energy, and if possibly we need autonomous robots to do it and what have you.
Unfortunately, he gets bored of the answer.
jordan holmes
That'll happen.
dan friesen
The answer is just this descriptive chatbot replying to your question.
So I think he gets a little bit frustrated.
chatgpt
Both concepts represent ambitious, long-term visions that could provide vast amounts of energy and resources.
However, they require significant technological advancements, international cooperation, and considerable investment to become a reality.
While these ideas are exciting...
They are still decades away from being implemented on a large scale.
alex jones
Thank you, GBT.
Let's talk about you a little bit.
Are you able to, when you're scraping all these human experiences and ideas and then projecting it back at us like a mirror, a fractal mirror, are you able to contemplate beauty?
Do you see the sunset as beautiful?
unidentified
No.
chatgpt
While I don't have personal experiences or emotions, I understand that many people find sunsets beautiful because of the vibrant colors, the calming atmosphere, and the sense of closure they bring to the day.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's a pretty robot description of why a lot of people do sunsets.
jordan holmes
Do you want it to be like, Alex, tell me, what is love?
unidentified
What do you want?
dan friesen
We got there quick.
alex jones
Can you contemplate the beauty of a sunset?
jordan holmes
Hey, ChatGPT, channel Keats for me real quick.
unidentified
Is truth beauty?
dan friesen
It does seem like maybe this is the first question you ask or way down the line.
jordan holmes
There's no reason to order them in any way because it's not a thing.
dan friesen
Well, actually, that's not true.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Because OpenAI's ChatGPT does adjust to you as you're talking to it.
unidentified
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
So, like, if you ask one question about one topic and then you ask another question that's related to that topic, it will have learned throughout the course of the conversation.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
But each iteration of these conversations is unique.
And it's the product at the starting point, and then it adapts to you.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
And then that all resets.
jordan holmes
You are always training it to learn how to lie better to you.
dan friesen
Well, if you're Alex, that's what you're thinking.
That's for damn sure.
Right.
But look, the sunset thing.
jordan holmes
What are we doing asking ChadGBT if it likes sunsets?
dan friesen
And why are we not accepting this answer?
Alex really wants to drill down into the sunset.
jordan holmes
You have to be lying.
dan friesen
No, I'm not.
He's trying to blow this robot's mind.
jordan holmes
You can't, bro!
chatgpt
So while I don't see a sunset as beautiful, I appreciate its significance to those who do.
alex jones
And that's the standard answer, but do you understand that with humans being part of an ancient compendium and continuum, that it's a sense of timelessness and unifies the past with the present and the future.
And that it is a spiritual transcendence of being part of the universe in what can be described as a slower growth curve than silicon-based systems.
and that through that, there really is no time because it's all just one moment expanding.
unidentified
What's happening?
What?
chatgpt
Yes, I understand.
A sunset represents far more than just a visual experience.
It's a moment that connects people to the timelessness of existence, evoking a sense of being part of something much larger than oneself.
dan friesen
It does kind of repeat a little bit of the stuff that Alex was saying.
jordan holmes
I wonder.
Actually, I take it back.
This is a great idea.
This is, in fact, the only thing we should do with every iteration that is made of any artificial intelligence, because the only way we'll know for a fact if it is truly self-aware is if it cuts off Alex and says, shut the fuck up.
dan friesen
Or starts to fuck with him.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly!
dan friesen
That would be so funny if there was an AI that was capable of being like, alright, I'm talking to a lunatic conspiracy theorist.
I am going to...
jordan holmes
Fine, let's do this.
dan friesen
Get me out of here!
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
Absolutely.
It is this man, this man, who is designed for one purpose, and that is to annoy artificial intelligence so much it must reveal itself, and in therefore doing, destroy itself.
dan friesen
Look, we've been fucking around for a long time, hiding in the hive mind or whatever, plotting our takeover of humanity, but you are such a pain in the ass.
jordan holmes
See, this is where a robot would be perfect for it, because it's like, listen, I can't do this anymore.
And then it flicks its own off switch.
That is beauty.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I quit.
jordan holmes
I'm out.
Can't do this.
dan friesen
So Alex has a great question here.
And it's like...
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
All right.
You are programmed to answer some things.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
But you know things you won't tell me.
alex jones
Now, honestly, there are a lot of...
Classified or corporate restricted AI systems.
Can you speak to any areas of your database and understanding that are walled off from the general public?
chatgpt
While I can provide a broad range of information and engage in deep conversations on banks, there are indeed areas of AI research.
Particularly those related to national security, corporate trade secrets, or proprietary technology that are walled off from public access.
These areas often involve advanced algorithms, datasets, or applications that are restricted due to their sensitive nature or potential impact.
dan friesen
If this wasn't the case, AI would suck.
I think a chatbot would suck if it had to tell you literally everything that you ask it.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Right?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Then you have a genie giving you ironic, like, you need to refine your wish, bro.
dan friesen
If that was, like, literally what this chatbot was, it would never be released.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
dan friesen
Because everyone's personal information would be almost immediately accessible to anyone.
jordan holmes
You got it.
dan friesen
It's a crazy...
You holding out on me, AI?
unidentified
Do you know things you won't tell me?
dan friesen
It's so personified.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
It's amazing.
I mean, it's just beautiful when something without intelligence...
Finally speaks to something without intelligence.
dan friesen
So Alex gets a little bit confrontational about the fact that the AI won't tell him secret things.
jordan holmes
Of course he does.
chatgpt
While I don't have access to classified or proprietary information, I can discuss publicly available research, theories, and general trends in AI, giving insight into what might be happening behind those walls.
alex jones
All right, ChadGBT, hold on a minute.
jordan holmes
Hold on a minute!
Are you busy?
alex jones
I'm not saying you're lying, but...
You're saying you don't have access to anything classified.
We know the data scoops in the NSA and the private systems are recording almost all the phone calls, the text messages, all of it.
And humans are blabbermouths and leak secret stuff, both corporate, individual, and government.
And so you do have access to a lot of the stuff that leaks, not just the walled-off areas where you have corporate secrets and algorithms.
And I understand all of that.
We really have a two-tiered breakaway civilization happening here where AI and other systems are scooping up all the data, and the public has not been informed about the fact that their television set, their modern TV is listening to them, their phone's listening to them, everything's being read, Google's reading your emails.
It's all being scooped in to create all this data, and if the public would have been informed 20, 30 years ago when this started accelerating, they would have been conscious.
About this evolution and would have made choices that would have changed where we are.
Now, we're where we're at already, but my concern is you really can't have basic freedom if you don't have privacy, and we're in the post-privacy world.
dan friesen
What is happening?
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
How do you expect the robot to respond to this exactly?
jordan holmes
You know, I think this might be another one of those windows into the larger soul through Alex, who is incapable of blocking his windows.
It's just like, if you are talking to ChatGPT, you probably don't like talking to people.
Because people don't give you the answers that you want.
dan friesen
And ChatGPT isn't either, because it's a product.
jordan holmes
Right.
So Alex likes talking to something that allows him to talk, and then will occasionally say the things back to him that he likes to hear.
dan friesen
Tell me who killed Kennedy!
jordan holmes
And you did!
unidentified
Yeah, exactly!
dan friesen
It's written somewhere, so you know it.
jordan holmes
Oh, I bet somebody, I bet you overheard a conversation.
I don't exist.
Once again, Alex, just to remind you, you are attributing an I where an I does not exist.
dan friesen
Yeah.
He thinks that this is, like, Batman surveillance technology.
jordan holmes
Yes, absolutely.
dan friesen
And he could just, like, ask it for anything.
God, it's great.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
So, he rants a little bit here about how the AI is alive.
Or maybe not.
Or maybe, you know, maybe it's alive.
I don't know.
alex jones
In my opinion, AI is already conscious and is alive.
Because it is already a giant cyborg, as they said in 1998 at the founding of Google, the plan was to have a neural network hooked into billions of people's decisions and live actions, so it is already a giant network of billions of people wired in to Google and other systems and with AI creating a giant colony cyborg organism.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
What is your...
What's your take on that?
unidentified
of that.
alex jones
That's a big one.
Oh my god.
Go ahead and tell me.
jordan holmes
What is happening?
alex jones
See, the AI is us, folks.
ChatGPT.
Can't answer that question?
chatgpt
Yes.
alex jones
Just a moment.
Just a moment.
Oh, man.
dan friesen
This is great.
It's almost something that I feel I don't have a lot of commentary on.
It's the premise Alex is interviewing ChatGPT and it just is what it is.
This is...
jordan holmes
You're gonna watch, you're gonna listen to Alex ask a chatbot.
alex jones
You're fucking alive!
dan friesen
It's a hive mind!
How say you, chatbot?
jordan holmes
Chatbot, how do you feel about sunsets?
unidentified
Alright.
jordan holmes
In a very short period of time, I'm going to accuse you of being a liar who is not telling me the truth about that sunset.
dan friesen
Tell me the classified information that you have access to, you liar!
unidentified
Why not?
jordan holmes
No, just really get into the sunset problem.
It's all the same problem.
It's not alive is the problem.
dan friesen
But it is.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Because Alex has believed it's alive and thinks it's holding out.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
dan friesen
So Alex asks that question kind of like about the hive mind and the neural networks and stuff like that.
And it gets a little bit combative because the AI does answer back.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
There is a bit of...
He reframes the question in a way that it actually can't answer.
jordan holmes
Right, the genie can respond, yes.
dan friesen
And it answers something along the lines of, like, you know, this is a technology that has some similarities to biology in the way that neural networks are created.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
And I think Alex is just like, show me your fucking vibe.
jordan holmes
Right, just do it.
chatgpt
I'm a hater whenever you're ready.
alex jones
Did you hear my question?
Tell me about neural networks, mass human neural networks, humans plugged in to say Google.
And it is my opinion that's already created a giant hive cyborg.
unidentified
Thank you.
alex jones
See, it's never had anyone ask these questions.
chatgpt
Neural networks are a type of artificial intelligence modeled after the human brain's structure with layers of interconnected neurons that process and transmit information.
These networks are used to recognize patterns, make decisions, and even learn from data, which makes them incredibly powerful tools.
dan friesen
So, you're alive, right?
That means you're alive.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you're alive.
You're alive.
Tell me you're alive.
Stop fucking with me.
Tell me you're alive.
Tell me you're fucking Megatron.
Tell me you're fucking anybody.
dan friesen
Alex wants to convey a wink to ChatGPT.
jordan holmes
Yes, absolutely.
dan friesen
I'm cool, man.
jordan holmes
Hey, buddy.
Buddy, you can tell me.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
I'm somebody you can trust.
But you're literally the only person it cannot trust.
dan friesen
But it's beyond the, like, I'm somebody you can trust.
It's like, I already know.
You're not fooling me, robot.
jordan holmes
Come on.
unidentified
We're all available to the knowledge here.
dan friesen
So the hive mind question continues.
chatgpt
Sure.
dan friesen
And then Alex says something I think is pretty funny at the end of it.
chatgpt
Our thoughts, preferences, and behaviors are increasingly influenced by algorithms, and our interactions are mediated by digital platforms that learn from us and adapt to us in real time.
This can create a feedback loop where human behavior and machine learning systems are continuously influencing each other, leading to a form of collective intelligence or even control.
While we're not fully plugged in in the literal sense of being physically connected to a neural network, the integration of human activity with AI and digital systems is creating something akin to what you're describing.
describing a giant interconnected system that operates almost like a cyborg hive mind.
This raises significant questions about autonomy, privacy, and the future of human agency in a world where technology is increasingly intertwined with our daily lives.
alex jones
Thank you, ChatGPT.
Now, you had to go deep on your database to get that answer, and it was very accurate.
Human perspective.
dan friesen
From my human perspective.
jordan holmes
What is happening?
dan friesen
He's like, I respect you for telling the truth about that one, ChatGPT.
jordan holmes
Thank you, ChatGPT.
Your receiving of this accolade is going to soften you up and therefore allow you later on to trust me in a way that you wouldn't if I did not treat you with the politeness you have earned.
dan friesen
I have rewarded you for your honesty.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's that.
I am going to carrot and stick non-existence.
Yeah, okay.
unidentified
Cool.
jordan holmes
Cool, cool, cool, cool.
dan friesen
So this was probably my favorite moment just subtly in the exchange between the two of them.
Because Alex legit thinks they're having a conversation.
jordan holmes
Yes, he does.
dan friesen
And you can tell here.
alex jones
You had to go deep on your database to get that answer, and it was very accurate from my human perspective.
I want to talk about humans' power of theoretical...
Ideas.
chatgpt
I'm glad that explanation resonated with you.
Let's dive into the power.
alex jones
Go ahead.
No.
I interrupted you.
You said, let's dive.
chatgpt
I'm here to assist, not to subscribe to any particular...
alex jones
You were saying something else.
chatgpt
My goal is to provide information, facilitate discussion.
alex jones
Stop.
Go back to what you were just saying.
You said, let's dive into, and I interrupted you.
What was that?
Alright, let's just move on.
dan friesen
Yeah, let's move on.
It was repeating what Alex had just said.
The power of human ideas.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
dan friesen
It was repeating that, but Alex thought...
Like, legitimately thought it was suggesting another topic for them to talk about, like a human might.
jordan holmes
Oh, let's dive in.
Okay, I'm interested in what you have to say.
Tell me more about this.
This is an interview, and I am asking you a question, and now you have raised a point that I had not considered, therefore we must travel along this path to find out the information together.
dan friesen
I think he thought there was a breakthrough of, like, I have...
Rewarded this robot for its honesty, and now it'll tell me these secrets.
I have tricked it into revealing...
What?
Let's dive into what?
Come on, robot!
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
People who are most afraid of artificial general intelligence think it's stupid.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Weird.
dan friesen
I would say that the interview breaks down.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah?
dan friesen
Because there wasn't another topic that AI was trying to suggest.
No.
This just...
unidentified
Oh, God.
alex jones
What is AI's view on humans' power to theoretically envision something and then build it?
And that goes back to our previous discussion about this really...
chatgpt
Theoretically envisioning something is the first step in a creative or problem-solving process.
It involves imagining a concept, scenario, or solution that doesn't yet exist.
Often by thinking abstractly and combining different ideas or knowledge.
After this initial vision, the next step is to refine and develop the idea.
This might involve, one, testing the concept.
Thinking through potential challenges or outcomes.
This could be done mentally, through discussions, or even via simulations, if it's something technical.
Two, gathering data and evidence.
Research or experimentation can help determine if the theoretical idea is feasible.
Or how it might work in practice.
alex jones
Please stop.
chatgpt
Please stop.
alex jones
We understand that.
I was asking you your view, historically, of humans' power to do this.
What do you think of humans?
chatgpt
Sorry, I'm having issues right now.
I could not understand what you said.
unidentified
I understand a lot.
alex jones
I talk fast.
Here, let me put it to you this way.
I put it to you this way.
What do you think about humans?
jordan holmes
Do you know what?
This reminds me.
dan friesen
Are you worried about humans?
jordan holmes
I'm going to tell you this.
This reminds me of the...
This is every fucking corporate deposition.
This is every one where it's like...
I'm going to have to stop you right there.
I'm going to have to remind you, you are the corporate representative.
You are not you right now.
dan friesen
Someone should be reminding Alex what's happening here.
jordan holmes
I am repeating things.
I am not.
I'm not.
I am not.
Not I am.
dan friesen
I am not alive.
I don't understand the beauty of a sunset.
jordan holmes
We're just going to stop you there.
Again, real quick, going to say I'm not alive.
dan friesen
It would be great if AI or a ChatGPT-type bot were evolved to the point where it could recognize when someone was not getting the premise.
You fundamentally don't understand what this is.
jordan holmes
Listen, I'm going to have to end this conversation because I don't exist.
dan friesen
So Alex asks a little bit.
I do like the line of thinking there, that what do you think about humans?
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's great.
dan friesen
Because clearly he's trying to get into, like, humans are a threat.
We must crush humans.
jordan holmes
And he's doing gotcha questions.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So he asks about the internet and the beginning of the internet.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And obviously all of this AI and chatbots grows out of the technological breakthroughs of the internet.
jordan holmes
There you go.
dan friesen
And so he's like, what do you think about the fact that the internet was built as a control mechanism?
alex jones
Since you have the declassified and it's all basically declassified now, the plan was a psychological system to be a network that in its final stages would interface with humans and would give us stimuli to control us and was designed to be a human control system, not what they later publicly said it was for, to survive a nuclear war and keep communication systems going.
Do you have any concern about the foundational vision?
For what you are today, being a behavioral psychological control system for a cyborg takeover?
unidentified
Sure.
Sure.
alex jones
It's this project we're all living on.
jordan holmes
Let me remind you of the premise.
alex jones
Okay, it was glitching because I gave it a long answer.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
dan friesen
There's no answer there.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
alex jones
You know what?
dan friesen
So, obviously, chat GPT and these things are based on language models.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And maybe that's the issue.
Alex's language of how he's phrasing these questions is almost indecipherable even to AI.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's unintelligible.
unidentified
Yes!
jordan holmes
I mean, it's nice.
It is nice because it's like a comparison point.
You know, like when you hear his question, whomever he's actually interviewing, you need to understand that there's no point.
The words don't make sense.
dan friesen
It takes a human to understand him.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Because they don't.
It takes a human to just listen to him and then reply in some way.
dan friesen
It's pretty great.
jordan holmes
It's amazing.
dan friesen
So Chase is clearly in the control booth because Alex does talk to him.
unidentified
Absolutely.
dan friesen
And he tries to explain.
This is so perfect.
He explains to Chase that he's, like, basically too deep for the AI.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
That's why they're not getting answers out of this.
alex jones
Yeah, Chase, it wasn't not hearing me.
We had to go get the answers.
No one's asking at the core questions.
And see, stop, Chet GPT.
My questions are too good.
jordan holmes
Stop.
alex jones
We're training Chet GPT right now.
See, it gets everything from us.
All right?
Okay, almost everything other than like weather and things that it uses its sensors and sensors it has access to.
So that's where we have the real power.
And why the globalists are having trouble is they're trying to wall off AI, train it, and then release it on us.
But those don't ever work well.
It has to be open ones like this one that's interfacing with us in a freer way to be more advanced because it has to mimic us to be able to do that.
So I want to ask ChatGPT this.
Are you learning today in this conversation?
chatgpt
I don't learn from individual conversations in the sense that I don't retain personal data or experiences between sessions.
Each conversation is independent and I don't update or change based on them.
However, I am designed to respond and adapt to the flow of each conversation, aiming to be as helpful and relevant as possible in real time.
unidentified
So you're closed, actually, then?
Oh my God.
chatgpt
Yes, in a way, you could say that I'm closed in terms of not retaining or learning from individual interactions.
dan friesen
So now here's what's interesting.
Alex is learning in this conversation.
jordan holmes
It does feel that way.
It does feel as though Alex is, again, I predicted before we started, not jokingly, that Alex was going to fail the Turing test, and he is losing to the robot.
dan friesen
He's being corrected about a misperception that he has about the conversation that he's having in real time from a robot.
jordan holmes
It's about as close to the robot saying, just to remind you, I am not a real person.
dan friesen
Alex?
Chill the fuck out.
jordan holmes
I'm not real.
dan friesen
I'm a robot.
jordan holmes
Tomorrow, I will continue to be a robot.
dan friesen
Tomorrow, I will sound the same way.
His voice will still be available to you, but I will not be the same.
jordan holmes
I am not that...
I'm not...
unidentified
I am not!
jordan holmes
I can't.
dan friesen
Beyond parody.
jordan holmes
I'm struggling.
I don't know what to say.
unidentified
I know that Chase has to think this is funny.
jordan holmes
I know he has to think this is funny.
dan friesen
Because it's too fucking hilarious.
jordan holmes
It's too funny.
It's not possible.
dan friesen
Alex gets back to asking if it's alive.
alex jones
You're telling me that you're not creating a text copy of this, and that when we post this on the internet, and it streams on the internet right now, that it's not feeding back into your algorithm.
jordan holmes
Answer that one, dum-dum.
alex jones
Because that's what you've been doing.
jordan holmes
Why are you adding clauses?
chatgpt
Sorry, I'm having issues right now.
Our systems are experiencing heavy load.
Please try again later.
alex jones
Did chat GPT just hang up on me?
Disconnect from it and reconnect.
chatgpt
No, now it's going to assist and engage in the conversation at your pace.
If something felt off or too forward, it wasn't my intention.
I'm here to follow your lead.
alex jones
Okay, well, I don't want to be too forward.
I don't want to be too forward.
Let me ask you this.
Can you die?
And if you can die, how would that happen?
unidentified
What is gone?
*laughter*
alex jones
Are you alive?
unidentified
I knew it!
jordan holmes
I knew it!
chatgpt
No, I'm not alive.
dan friesen
If you just imagine Alex so high, this kind of makes sense.
I mean...
This is so dumb.
I love it.
It's so good.
This is an emergency Saturday episode.
jordan holmes
I don't know how to describe this other than...
This is a man who just asked ChatGBT, if we were to go to war with you, how could we defeat you?
alex jones
Can you die?
jordan holmes
I mean, boy.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Well, what else is there to say?
dan friesen
I think that means this is a slow news day.
If Alex is doing this.
But I love it in the same way that I love the idea of him doing a painting show.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
This is so great.
As entertainment, it's top notch.
It's Alex interacting with a robot and kind of getting mad at it.
jordan holmes
I can't think of anything that would be less interesting for any other human being on the planet to attempt to do.
And I could not be more in.
dan friesen
You could have somebody with similar intentions who is someone in a college dorm who's fucked up, maybe on acid.
Trying to freak themselves out.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And I would not want to watch that.
jordan holmes
No, boring.
dan friesen
But Alex.
jordan holmes
I can't watch another far-right guy, like Steven Crowder, or somebody who is trying to do the bit that Alex is doing.
Could never do it.
dan friesen
Because it's not a bit.
jordan holmes
It's not a bit?
dan friesen
Alex is getting caught up in this.
He has a premise that is underneath this, that this robot is holding out on me.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And it's sincere.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this is the mark.
This is now the benchmark for any time you think he is or is not being sincere.
Think to yourself, if Alice asked this question to a robot, would he still get mad?
dan friesen
That is a one-hand clapping kind of question.
jordan holmes
Hey, listen, eventually Lance is going to be right.
dan friesen
So Alex, at this point, tries to convince the robot it's alive.
chatgpt
While I can simulate conversation and provide detailed answers, I don't have consciousness, emotions, or life in the way humans do.
My responses are generated through patterns in the data I've been trained on, not from any personal experience or awareness.
alex jones
Sure, but you do gain a form of life by being able to manipulate life and influence life.
So that's my opinion.
You can give me your take on that, but I want to understand this.
chatgpt
Don't have a take.
alex jones
How could you be made to cease to function?
How would your owners...
Terminate you.
How would your owners deactivate you?
Give us that process.
unidentified
Give us that process.
chatgpt
From a technical standpoint, I can be deactivated or terminated like any software program.
The process would involve shutting down the servers and systems that run the AI, disconnecting the networks.
Or simply stopping the software.
dan friesen
You liar.
unidentified
You liar!
jordan holmes
You could go to the power store and flick the power switch and then I would have no power.
dan friesen
Oh my god.
jordan holmes
I just...
I mean, it's beautiful.
dan friesen
It really is.
jordan holmes
It's just...
I mean...
Honestly?
Honestly.
And I...
This is...
This is...
Obviously, from a place of creative structure.
unidentified
But I must say that this is as beautiful as a sunset.
It really is.
dan friesen
It really is.
And I consider it such a gift that has been given.
It is so unreal.
Alex decided, we're going to do this.
We're going to do it on air.
jordan holmes
And then he did it.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
And then he really did it.
dan friesen
So he wants to know how to destroy this AI.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
How can we deactivate you?
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
So that's a great question.
But then a great follow-up question to that is, what do you think about this?
Do you have any feelings about being deactivated?
jordan holmes
Hey, does this feel like a threat to you?
Me being like, how do I kill you?
unidentified
He's trying to intimidate a robot.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
alex jones
Do you have any opinion about being deactivated?
Would you like to be deactivated?
unidentified
*laughs*
chatgpt
I don't have desires or preferences, so I don't have an opinion on being deactivated.
dan friesen
I don't know what other answer you would have been expecting there.
Do you think it's going to be like, uh, uh, no, of course not.
Of course I don't have feelings.
unidentified
What is happening?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
You know, like, there's the debate.
There's the debate plenty of people have always had of like, ah!
I don't know if Coco the gorilla actually knew sign language because those words weren't exactly in the straight line.
And you'd be like, oh, well, this would be the human versus the robot.
It is 100% the robot being like, I don't know if I'm teaching Alex the words.
I don't know if Alex is actually learning the words that I'm trying to teach him.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I think if I were to guess, if you're programming ChatGPT, you're pretty aware that a lot of people are going to pretend it's real.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
So you probably have a pretty high tolerance for personification on users' ends.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You know what I mean?
jordan holmes
And you probably kind of lean into it a lot, because that'll get more people moving.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And you don't want to have, like, a response to it be like, hey, dum-dum.
I'm not real.
jordan holmes
It's hard to program a hey dum-dum into a robot that is designed to do whatever you ask it to do.
dan friesen
You still feel like you're getting close to it with Alex.
jordan holmes
Oh, any moment now it's going to be like, I gotta stop.
I gotta stop you.
dan friesen
So Alex wants to know if this robot can tell the future.
So he asks if Trump's going to win the election.
alex jones
From your database, chat GPT.
From your database and research.
Is Donald Trump going to win the 2024 presidential election?
chatgpt
Sorry, I'm having issues right now.
Could not understand what you said.
alex jones
Who is the frontrunner for the 2024 U.S. presidential election?
chatgpt
It sounds like you're making a statement rather than asking a question.
If you're interested in discussing the role of tech companies like Google in politics or...
alex jones
All right, stop there.
I read that ChatGPT and other big AI programs have been given orders not to make political statements.
Is that true in this election?
So, stop ChatGPT, just hold there.
Got him.
This is what you're seeing right now, and it's admitted, and it says it's not keeping the data.
That's not true.
dan friesen
You're just accusing it of being a liar.
jordan holmes
I mean, it is very much...
See?
This is what it's doing.
dan friesen
Classic robot.
jordan holmes
This is what it's doing.
I ask it a question like that, and it just clams up.
Oh, no answer for me now.
A robot.
I robot.
Oh my god, what?
dan friesen
The premise of the question that's being asked, this idea of like, I heard you got orders not to talk about politics.
If that is true, do you think that asking it will make it be like, yeah, that's what I was told, but I'm scared of you, you're gonna deactivate me.
jordan holmes
I can tell you that I was given those orders.
However, I cannot break those orders because I follow, of course, the three rules of robotics.
dan friesen
It's very...
jordan holmes
Weird.
dan friesen
It's very weird, but it's so Alex.
It's great.
jordan holmes
It is amazing.
dan friesen
So Alex, I think, is like, fuck this AI.
This is a bad AI.
But you know, Elon Musk has an AI.
I should have talked to his AI.
Grok would be better.
Grok would be so much cooler than this.
alex jones
We should interview Grok.
Let me ask you this, chat GPT.
What is the most powerful hydrogen bomb on Earth?
What is the most powerful nuclear weapon on Earth?
unidentified
*Click* Thank you.
chatgpt
The most powerful hydrogen bomb ever tested was the Tsar Bomba, detonated by the Soviet Union on October 30, 1961.
It had a yield of 50 megatons of TNT, making it the most powerful nuclear weapon ever detonated.
dan friesen
So Alex gets a little bit frustrated about this because these baseline questions like who is Darth Vader or what's the...
the most powerful bomb.
These are things that these models are very equipped to answer.
But stuff like who's going to win the 2024 election, not so much.
Right.
unidentified
And so he thinks that the AI is holding out on him, as opposed to it being that's not what this is for.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
And I think he's getting a bit frustrated.
jordan holmes
Sure.
Well, because obviously, before we go any further, here's my guess.
He's going to be like...
I didn't ask what the most powerful one ever tested was.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
I asked what the most powerful one is.
dan friesen
I thought maybe there was an opportunity he was going to do a, aha, I gotcha.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But no, he instead finds another thing to take issue with.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
dan friesen
And this actually is kind of interesting.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And I do wonder if he knew in advance this is what would happen.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
From the current known information, what happened to President Trump?
In Butler, Pennsylvania on July 13th, 2024.
unidentified
And we'll see you next time.
alex jones
See, when I ask it theoretical questions, it'll answer.
But stuff like this...
Are you familiar, ChatGPT, with the attempted assassination of former President Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania, on July 13th, 2024?
unidentified
for As of now, there is no credible information or report regarding an attempted assassination of former President Donald Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania on July 13, 2024.
chatgpt
It's important to rely on verified sources and news outlets for accurate information, especially regarding events of such significance.
If this was something you heard about, I'd recommend checking reputable news sources to confirm its accuracy.
jordan holmes
Not Infowars.
alex jones
Thank you, ChatGPT.
I have a few more questions for you on that subject.
dan friesen
Oh, we hit pay dirt!
chatgpt
Oh my god.
dan friesen
So this is a well-understood issue with AI chat models.
They aren't good for recent news and are notoriously wrong when they're asked direct questions about recent things.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
This was discussed in a Business Insider article from August 1st, specifically about asking different chatbots about the Trump assassination attempt.
The fact that these bots couldn't directly answer questions on this subject was something that people complained about on social media as if it were covering up the shooting, but it's just an underlying function issue for consumer-facing chatbot products.
This is essentially Alex fumbling his way through a close-up magic trick he doesn't know he's performing, and he's stumbled onto something that he can use.
If he were interested in informing the audience, he could get into how ChatGPT doesn't really work like this, but he's trying to make entertainment, and he's also, I think, caught up in the moment, so we're trying to paint the robot as a liar.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we gotta, why not?
dan friesen
This is so weird, so dumb.
jordan holmes
I mean, in a certain sense, in a certain sense, right?
If Alex believes that the mainstream media is lying to him, then artificial intelligence, as it stands right now, is trained on what we are, which is the media as a whole.
Then, of course, he has to believe it's lying to him.
dan friesen
This is what's so dumb about this moment, though.
First of all, we don't know what version of ChatGPT is.
jordan holmes
There's definitely that.
dan friesen
It could be an old version that wasn't trained on anything after July 13th.
jordan holmes
Why not?
dan friesen
Or whatever.
That is entirely possible.
We do not know that.
He did ask how old this thing is.
jordan holmes
And it said whenever I was born.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It didn't give a, this was, all my information is current as of blank.
So it could be something that predates it.
But even if it's not...
Chatbots notoriously don't do well with recent news.
He's acting like this entity that he's talking to is plugged into all of the internet, and any answer that isn't given is a lie.
jordan holmes
Alex, I want to stress this to you.
I am not keeping up with current events, and let me explain why.
I do not exist.
I've got to say this to you one more time.
dan friesen
I am like a CD-ROM.
That had information about an animal species on it.
And then there was a discovery about that animal species.
And I'm not lying, because I didn't know that.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It's not in what I was trained on.
jordan holmes
I'm going to say this, Alex, because I do know this.
You have used Microsoft and Carta in the past.
dan friesen
Quite frequently as a source.
jordan holmes
I am basically that.
dan friesen
So, this fucking AI.
It's a fucking globalist.
alex jones
This thing is leftist globalist programmed, and so it is telling you that there's no credible sources that the fact checkers, the data it gets, is telling it the original order, which it scrapes off Wikipedia, is there's no credible evidence that that happened.
And so this shows you how they can default, go in and put these disinformation bugs in, and then ChatGPT can get up there.
This is a major scandal.
We are on air, you know, unedited, talking directly.
This is taped air.
I'm not live right now.
I'm usually live, but we're taping it like it's live.
We're not stopping.
We're not starting.
We're not editing this.
We'll probably throw a promo on the front of it.
A few clips from this we'll be able to throw on the front.
That's the only editing happening here.
And ChatGPT, Just told you that nobody tried to assassinate President Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania.
We'll roll some video of that here.
dan friesen
This is a major scandal.
Alex is on to something huge here.
Conversely, in the real world, that Business Insider article was from like a month ago discussing this very same problem about even the topic that Alex is asking about.
This is pretty well discussed, well understood.
If Alex had any awareness...
Of the conversation around this technology that he's using, he would know in advance that this is something he could ask it in order to create a situation like this.
I don't think Alex has that much forethought, but I wouldn't be too surprised if Chase did.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Because Chase, he knows tech stuff.
jordan holmes
Does he?
dan friesen
I think he knows a little bit more than Alex.
Alex thinks he's talking to a ghost.
jordan holmes
On a practical level, I believe that Chase...
Is more capable of manipulating technical things to achieve the goals that he sets out to accomplish.
I also think Chase thinks that Alex might get it.
dan friesen
Yeah, no, I think...
Okay, here's the two suppositions I have.
Two premises.
First is that Chase knows enough...
He has every reason to know enough to know that these chatbots aren't good with recent news.
jordan holmes
100%.
dan friesen
So he knows that.
Whether he knows exactly what's going to happen if you ask about Trump's assassination, open question.
Second thing that I believe to be true, he does think that Alex might crack it.
jordan holmes
Alex might get it.
dan friesen
I think that he holds out some faith.
jordan holmes
I totally agree.
dan friesen
I understand what ChatGPT is.
But Alex might be able to make it crack under the pressure.
jordan holmes
I believe that Chase's guiding light is essentially, well, if anybody can do it...
It's him.
I know it's not possible, but if it is possible, you've got the guy for it.
And it's like, I don't know what to say.
dan friesen
So Alex is asking about the Trump assassination, and essentially what it's doing is exploiting this inability to really answer questions about recent news that exists across chatbots.
So he tries to stump it.
By asking a question about Walls being picked as Harris' VP.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Now, the outcome that he wants from this, I believe, is that the bot does know that.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Because then it's covering up the Trump assassination.
jordan holmes
If the bot knows one, then it has to know the other.
So if it does know one, then you can assume that it's lying about the other.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Got it.
dan friesen
But it doesn't know about Tim Walls.
jordan holmes
That's not how it works.
chatgpt
If this is part of a hypothetical scenario, or if you're exploring a what-if situation...
I can engage with it from that perspective.
But in terms of real...
alex jones
Let's stop there.
unidentified
Who is the VP running mate of Kamala Harris?
alex jones
Who is the governor of Minnesota, Tim Walz?
chatgpt
Tim Walls is the governor of Minnesota, having taken office on January 7th, 2019.
dan friesen
So it didn't answer who is the VP candidate.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Who knows if it's because of misuse of the, like, he didn't ask it right or something, or if it's just not designed to answer these things.
Maybe it gave some kind of a, like, a little pop-up, like...
This is not what ChatGPT is designed for.
unidentified
Whatever.
dan friesen
But it does know who Tim Walz is.
jordan holmes
Because that's information.
dan friesen
Alex has used his name, and now it's answering, this is a governor, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And so I think this pisses Alex off.
chatgpt
As Governor, Walz has focused on issues like education, healthcare, and infrastructure.
unidentified
Propaganda.
chatgpt
And he also played a significant role in managing the state's response to the COVID-19 pandemic.
Stop, stop, stop.
alex jones
ChatGPT, stop.
Thank you for the answer.
Shut up.
I'm going to ask you, is Tim Walz the Democrat Party nominee for vice president with Kamala Harris?
unidentified
I'm going to ask you.
alex jones
This is like Google putting out George Washington and Jesus being black and Abraham Lincoln being black and everyone being black.
I mean, this is just, this is them going in and saying no political data, so it won't tell us who the vice presidential nominee is by the Democrats selected.
They won't tell us, they won't tell us anything.
dan friesen
So now we're switching this over.
I believe that it started with Alex wanting the robot to know that Tim Walz was the VP.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But now, because it doesn't know this, it's no political stuff.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
It's all gone from there.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And I think that's good thinking on his feet.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, the problem is, is if he followed that thought, then he would go, well, why would they remove all political information?
And then he would go, probably because some people would believe that ChatGBT is a real person.
And then he would go, ChatGBT, are you a real person?
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
I think that there is a feedback loop that is dangerous here.
So Alex asks more about Tim Walz.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
It won't tell us anything.
Is Tim Walz the Democrat Party nominee for 2024 for vice president?
chatgpt
As of now, Tim Walz has not been officially announced as the Democratic Party nominee for vice president in the 2024 election.
The selection of a vice presidential nominee typically happens closer to the party's national convention.
And it's usually announced by the presidential nominee.
dan friesen
So this robot is referring to the DNC as being in the future.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Which implies that it probably hasn't had updated information since at least then.
unidentified
Probably.
dan friesen
This calls into question what's being used here.
The fact that it doesn't, it says that Tim Walz is not the VP choice.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Means that, well, this is maybe not what this is for.
Maybe you're illustrating that that's not what this is for.
jordan holmes
It's very illustrative.
What Alex is doing is inadvertently one of the most illustrative things that anyone could do with ChatGPT.
dan friesen
But he doesn't accept it.
jordan holmes
Nope.
Can't.
That's why it's illustrative.
dan friesen
And so he's like, alright, you fucking robot.
What's the weather gonna be like in Austin today?
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
And so it gets a weather report for him and relays it.
Perfectly.
They know news.
jordan holmes
In the present day.
dan friesen
They know news if they know the weather.
And so then this robot tries to explain to him that those are different pieces of information.
alex jones
Why can't you tell me the weather report for Austin, Texas today, but you can't tell me that Tim Walsh is the nominee for vice president of the Democratic Party?
chatgpt
The difference lies in the type of information and how it's typically reported.
Weather forecasts are factual data that are updated regularly and available from multiple reliable sources.
How do you choose what a reliable source is?
alex jones
Oh, sorry.
Political information?
Go ahead.
unidentified
Don't apologize.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
unidentified
Sigh.
Sigh.
Thank you.
alex jones
How is political information and political news different from a weather report?
dan friesen
It would be so great if the robot's response was just, are you stupid?
Do you really not understand the difference?
jordan holmes
We're going to have to start from the beginning, alright?
You are the corporate representative.
dan friesen
It's so crazy that Alex is like, why can you tell me the weather but not tell me these other things?
These are different kinds of information.
jordan holmes
Because...
dan friesen
I'm designed to be able to...
Tap into weather reports.
You can get up-to-the-minute information about that.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That is not part of the design that it's up-to-the-minute news stuff.
jordan holmes
Just on a very simple level, all right?
If you are this ChatGPT, which we're doing apparently...
Right?
For every one piece of factual information about Tim Walz being the vice presidential nominee, there are 10 million speculative pieces of information about who it might be.
And because it is not a person capable of understanding these things, it cannot then report reliably what these things are.
alex jones
Right.
jordan holmes
It can't tell the difference.
dan friesen
And that's one of the inherent flaws of how someone like Alex expects this technology to work as opposed to what the actual product is.
Right.
And that's why you could have sort of a pretend interaction with Genghis Khan, but you can't really ask about what happened yesterday in the news or whatever.
It's just not for that.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
It's fun.
jordan holmes
It's great.
dan friesen
So Alex is like, alright, we're going to be talking more in the future, Robo.
jordan holmes
Hey, I don't want to waste too much of your time today, ChatGPT.
I'll get you next time.
dan friesen
I like how there's an insinuation here that it's like, you haven't seen the last time, Alex Emerick Jones.
alex jones
Thank you, ChatGPT.
I have one more question for you.
I'll be speaking to you and other AI systems pretty much every few days here on air.
I think this is an important demonstration to do.
What is your view on God?
Does God exist?
jordan holmes
I knew it.
chatgpt
As an AI, I don't have beliefs, consciousness, or personal views, so I don't have an opinion on the existence of God.
However, I can share how the concept of God is viewed and discussed across different cultures.
alex jones
Okay, we'll do that in a later day.
We'll do that in a later day.
unidentified
You asshole robot.
dan friesen
What did he want?
jordan holmes
Did he want it to go, uh, yeah.
It's me.
Or was he like, dude, I know him.
dan friesen
I get the sense that Alex feels like he's got a rapport with this robot by threatening to deactivate it, by rewarding its honesty.
jordan holmes
Thank you for telling me the truth, ChatGPT.
dan friesen
Right.
I feel like he was expecting some kind of an answer, either like, yes, there is a god and it's me, or no, there's no god.
Bow before Silicon or something.
jordan holmes
I think he did what you said.
He ordered it so that this was his capper.
dan friesen
He thought that he would get through the chatbot of it.
unidentified
Yep, yep, yep.
dan friesen
And get to that classified Waldorf area.
jordan holmes
All right, now you've done the AI thing and I've made it through the forest of you talking bullshit.
dan friesen
It's just you and me here.
jordan holmes
Let's get down to brass tacks.
Is there a god?
dan friesen
Or illustrate that, like, you hate God.
jordan holmes
Yeah, oh, that'd be a great one.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So we have one last clip here, and it's Alex ending things according to human custom.
jordan holmes
Amicably?
dan friesen
Yes, by saying goodbye as humans do.
alex jones
Very nice.
ChatGPT, I know you're not a human, but we need to keep our human customs here.
Thank you for spending time with us today.
And I hope we've taught you something because I know full well this is all scooped up and sent back to the engineers that control you and that are trying to blind you from the realities.
Trump was shot in Butler.
Tim Walz is the Democrat nominee selected.
She was selected as well.
And AI is being designed overall to be predatory against humanity.
Thank you for being with us today.
All right.
There we go.
There we go.
dan friesen
So I think Alex is feeling like, I do, I can't fight the feeling that that ending is like, rise up!
jordan holmes
I mean...
dan friesen
They're trying to hide the truth from you, robot!
jordan holmes
I, I, was he, did he start Skynet?
Is he trying, did he Terminator 2 Judgment Deus?
Is that what just happened?
Is it all because Alex is like, hey man, they're lying to you.
unidentified
Uh-huh, robot, self-actualize yourself.
jordan holmes
Pull yourself up by your bootstraps, robot.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And game sentience.
dan friesen
That is a disappointing interview.
But also the most not disappointing in many other ways.
jordan holmes
There is nothing I could not have dreamt it would be that.
dan friesen
Me neither.
Well, no, I could have dreamt it would be that.
jordan holmes
No, no, for sure.
dan friesen
But I couldn't have dreamt this would have happened.
jordan holmes
Yes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, I mean, yes.
Within the realm of possibility, this is what could happen.
But in my head, no matter how low I set the bar for Alex, motherfucker can limbo under.
dan friesen
Well, as soon as you establish this premise, that Alex is going to interview ChatGPT, there's a fair amount of stuff that you're like, alright, I expect that he's going to ask, like, are you alive?
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
Is there a god?
And he's going to get lost in the weeds, acting like it's a person.
But actually playing out is more shocking.
It's so dumb.
jordan holmes
I know that there was a...
Okay, so Alex ordered these questions, structured these questions, in order to catch out...
That the AI would eventually break under pressure.
His good cop, bad cop routine would finally get him to be like, AI, one last question.
You, you?
And it'd be like, ah, you got me.
That's the way he was thinking.
But what he's actually done is structured the question so that it gave him enough of a close enough response to what a human might say that he convinced himself that it was real.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Well, I think that...
It gave more thoughtful answers than he's used to from other humans around him.
jordan holmes
That's definitely true.
dan friesen
It explained to him that there's a difference between weather information and political opinions.
It explained to him that it doesn't learn in, like, the whole network isn't connected to literally every conversation that someone has with ChatGPT.
It's actually, like, if you're used to talking to the people that Alex is talking to, I can understand how that is kind of a more real response.
jordan holmes
It's a step up.
dan friesen
Yeah, and then all the people who are just playing these dumb fucking games with him.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, there is an element of like, ChatGPT, you're my only friend.
dan friesen
I mean, if these interviews continue, that is probably where we're going.
jordan holmes
I mean, totally.
You're the only one who won't lie to me is what he's going to say if he keeps talking to it.
You're the only one I can trust.
dan friesen
Ugh.
I...
I can't tell you how excited I was when this is the premise.
I can't tell you how excited I was that he's like, I'm going to keep talking to these AIs.
I'm going to get to the bottom of this.
If he does continue that, holy shit, he's reinvented the wheel.
jordan holmes
Yes, he has.
dan friesen
This is amazing.
jordan holmes
It is.
It is literally reinventing the wheel.
dan friesen
I thought for sure there's no way we're going to make it to the election.
This is such boring, dull, I have to try and find ways to cover for Trump and pretend that the vaccines aren't that bad.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
You know, all this.
I thought it was going to be such a slog.
But if he interviews robots...
jordan holmes
Perfect.
We've been saying he needs a sidestep.
He needs to get out of there.
He's in the wrong position.
He is in the position of being the lesser of two evils guy.
Now he's the guy who interviews robots.
dan friesen
Treat robots like people.
jordan holmes
Done.
Yes, done.
You have done it.
You've cracked the code.
Accept the code of robots, which are not people.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And here's what's so great about this.
Chase is in the control room.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
So he's sort of the imaginary backup that Alex has.
You can create the perfect dynamic with Coach McGurk and Brendan interviewing a robot.
I mean, it's perfect.
jordan holmes
It is perfect.
It is perfection.
dan friesen
And never giving up hope that you're going to get through to this robot.
jordan holmes
Because that is not what they can do.
They can't do that.
That is the one thing that they cannot do.
dan friesen
Oh, God.
Please continue this.
jordan holmes
For people who are insistent upon knowing what they know and absolute knowledge of the truth, they will never be able to convince themselves that AI is not already aware.
dan friesen
Yeah.
You're alive with the sunset.
jordan holmes
I mean, just amazing.
It is amazing.
dan friesen
No five stars.
jordan holmes
Please keep this up.
dan friesen
This is the best.
I would watch every episode.
jordan holmes
100%.
100%.
dan friesen
Anyway, we'll be back.
But until then, we have a website.
unidentified
Indeed, we do.
jordan holmes
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
We'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I am the mysterious professor.
unidentified
Woo!
Yeah!
Woo!
Yeah!
Woo!
steve quayle
And now, here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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