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Aug. 30, 2024 - Knowledge Fight
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#959: August 27, 2024

#959: August 27, 2024—Dan Friesen and Jordan Holmes dissect Alex Jones’ chaotic claims, from mispronouncing callers to peddling Tucker Carlson’s edited "psychic" video as proof of his influence, despite unsold tickets. Jones amplifies baseless conspiracy theories like migrant attacks in Sweden (a domestic violence case) and Trump supporters seizing infrastructure, while Jordan mocks Carlson’s self-serving framing of Durov’s arrest as a U.S.-led free speech crackdown. Carlson’s selective guest choices and performative Musk praise reveal exploitation over conviction, exposing his brand’s hollow resistance narrative. Ultimately, the episode underscores how fear-mongering thrives on misdirection, even when evidence crumbles. [Automatically generated summary]

Participants
Main
a
alex jones
infowars 09:03
d
dan friesen
46:16
j
jordan holmes
24:47
t
tucker carlson
dailycaller 10:44
Appearances
d
donald j trump
admin 01:53
i
ivan raiklin
01:47
Clips
g
glenn beck
blaze 00:29
Callers
andy in kansas
callers 00:07
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Speaker Time Text
unidentified
Dan and Jordan, I am sweating.
alex jones
Knowledgeparty.com.
It's time to pray.
donald j trump
And I have great respect for knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys.
Shang me are the bad guys.
Knowledge fight.
donald j trump
Dan and Jordan.
unidentified
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
I need money.
donald j trump
Riddler.
alex jones
Andy and Panzer.
unidentified
Andy and Pandy.
alex jones
Andy and Panzer.
Andy and Kansas.
andy in kansas
Andy.
alex jones
It's time to pray.
Andy and Pans was sure on the airplane for all of us.
andy in kansas
Hello, Alex.
I'm a fish pin color in my cup saying I love your room.
donald j trump
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledgefight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dad.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes.
Like to sit around, worship at the altar of Celine, and talk a little bit about Alex Joe.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are.
Dean.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dean.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today, buddy?
dan friesen
My bright spot today, I wanted to have an episode on Wednesday.
I wanted to do a Wednesday episode.
We had a little bit of HVAC issue in the studio.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And thankfully, it was not a big deal.
It was not like a huge.
Like, I thought maybe we would have to tear down a wall or something for a leak of some sort, but it turned out to be a minor issue.
So that in and of itself is a bright spot.
That is great.
Something looking like a huge pain in the ass that becomes like a minor issue.
Great.
jordan holmes
The moment that I moved into a place that my wife owned that was not landlord repair based, I freak out anytime, anytime.
The toilet's clocked.
dan friesen
Ah!
The stakes are so high for you.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
You might have to figure out how a toilet works.
jordan holmes
You might have to call somebody else.
dan friesen
So that could be a bright spot in and of itself, but a little more fun.
I've been watching a bunch of movies trying to recapture the magic of cinema for myself.
And I saw Knives Out, and I loved it.
jordan holmes
It's great.
dan friesen
I love a mystery.
I love a silly accent.
Yep.
And yeah, I just want to talk like Benoit Blanc all the time.
jordan holmes
So great.
It's a terrible accent.
It's so great.
It is like, you know, every take on Poirot, every take on Poirot's accent is distinct from the others, which is what makes the accent fun.
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's very Belgian.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
But yeah, I like that.
I like a mystery.
I'm enjoying it.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
Who are your top characters in Knives Out?
Their rankings.
dan friesen
I expected to not like Chris Evans much because he's a recognizable face.
jordan holmes
Sure, he's Captain America.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So I expected him to stick out more as Captain America, but I enjoyed him within the texture of the ensemble.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know, just everybody was doing their damn job.
That's what I felt.
jordan holmes
I like that.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know.
Almost no one stuck out, but they were all like, they all felt like they were working together.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it did take me a minute to be like, is that fucking Don Johnson?
What the fuck is going on here?
And then, Lord, yes, it is Don Johnson.
jordan holmes
It is always an interesting Don Johnson appearance.
Yeah.
Who's his daughter is a thing, right?
Is she Madam Webb?
Is that Don Johnson's daughter?
dan friesen
Oh, yes.
Not in the movie, but in real life, yes.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Dakota Johnson.
jordan holmes
Madam Webb.
He's not actually Don Johnson, although that'd be great.
Yeah, that's a plot to me.
dan friesen
Madam Webb is not in Knives Out.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But Don Johnson's real-life daughter played Madam Johnson.
jordan holmes
Madam Webb.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
All right.
That makes sense.
I found that out and I was like blown away because it's so crazy to see like the children of famous people become bovie stars.
That's nuts.
Never happens.
dan friesen
Yeah, there's no nepotism.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
So what's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
My bright spot is Star Wars Outlaws.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
It is awesome.
dan friesen
Newly released.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
I was, I told you on Monday, I went from being like, oh, I should check to see when that, because I've been looking forward to it.
And I was like, yeah, I'll check to see when it comes out.
And it was like, it comes out Friday.
And I was like, hell yeah.
And then it was like, hey, you want to spend an extra 30 bucks and get it tomorrow?
And I was like, of course I do.
dan friesen
That's not a fair question.
jordan holmes
No, that's not fair.
You're just stealing $30 from me.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So you're running around planets.
jordan holmes
You know what's great?
Being Han Solo.
dan friesen
You described it as like Assassin's Creed, but kind of in space.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's a little, I mean, gameplay-wise, it's that.
Story-wise, it really is like, hey, you know, that whole good versus evil morality plays with space wizards.
What if you were just cool and did whatever you want?
And it turns out that's a lot of fun.
dan friesen
There's no space wizards?
jordan holmes
Not that I'm aware of.
Haven't met a space wizard yet.
It's just me walking around with my blaster solving problems.
dan friesen
Does anyone have a lightsaber?
jordan holmes
Nope.
Haven't seen one yet.
Wow.
Here's another thing.
Here's another thing.
It's completely different to the way that I normally play these types of games because I'm usually like a stealth and then I have to like go and get each individual thing and do the whole thing and then I have to be gone with nobody ever seeing me.
dan friesen
That's why you like sort of ninja vibe.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but now that I'm a Han Solo, half the fun is being like, they caught us as you're leaving and getting away while they're chasing you.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
It is awesome.
dan friesen
Yeah, getting a hasty retreat.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I love getting the thing that I want and then starting to go and then causing a problem and then getting on my speeder and going away.
It's the best.
dan friesen
Sure.
It is the best.
So anyway, glad you're enjoying that.
jordan holmes
That's my review.
It's fun to be Han Solo.
dan friesen
Sweet.
Yeah.
So we got an episode to go over today.
We're going to be talking about the 27th.
This is a big day.
Okay.
Tucker Carlson's on.
So we'll talk about that.
jordan holmes
Wait, Tucker Carlson was on InfoWars and nobody even talked about it.
dan friesen
They're mostly promoting his live dates.
Yep.
unidentified
Oh, man.
dan friesen
Yeah, it turns out it wasn't that big of a deal.
This world is if Tucker Carlson was on InfoWars.
jordan holmes
Moved on.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So we'll get down to business on this and see how that all played out.
But first, let's say a little hello to some new walks.
Oh, that's a great idea.
Oh, God.
So first, Wallacey Punk, the jollacy yonk, dollacy yonk, the yalasy dank, pelic rank, the relicy pank, and willasy pank, the pillacy wank.
Thank you so much.
You're an alposy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, now we're the squatch may have no heroes, but you will always be mine from your new wife, Eliza.
Thank you so much.
You're an Al Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Might have been newer.
I apologize.
Could be.
Next, the People's Princess, Louis DuPont Dulac.
Thank you so much.
You're an Al Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
But you get a little stink on that.
dan friesen
DuPont.
I took French.
And thank you, Magic Trash Can.
Thank you so much.
You're an Alpazy Walk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
And we got a technical credit in the mix, Jordan.
So thank you so much to you people are my people, and I love you more than Alex loves Andy.
Thank you so much.
You're an IO technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars.
alex jones
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
Daddy Sharp.
Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser, little, little kitty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
And don't forget, if you want to get your shout out, make sure you email knowledgefight at gmail.com.
dan friesen
Just toss that over there and Jordan will put you on a list.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we got one front page.
So we're just letting people know.
dan friesen
So I wanted to, like I said, I wanted to do an episode on Wednesday.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And I think part of that was because we did Jimmy Doer on Monday.
And it just felt kind of half show, you know?
Yeah.
And so I wanted to get back to Alex.
But then the 27th happened, and Tucker is on.
So you stop the presses.
Sure.
We don't need to recap shit.
We just got to get into this.
He's the most important man in the world.
Of course.
And so, yeah, here we go.
We're going to jump in.
unidentified
All right.
alex jones
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you so much for joining us today.
I am your host, Alex Jones.
We are 69 days to the most important election in world history.
And we have a massive broadcast lined up for you here today.
It is Tuesday, August 27th, 2024.
All right, Tucker Carlson is joining us in the third hour to cover all the incredible developments.
Ivan Ranklin has been involved in congressional hearings that just started yesterday into the attempted assassination, ongoing cover-up.
President Trump, he's got a lot of the latest information in the inside scoop.
There's 100% a standdown and an ongoing cover-up.
Never a press conference, never anything about the murder weapon or the attempted murder weapon, nothing about how the Patsy got his body cremated.
It's insane.
They want us to forget about this.
We're not going to forget about this.
That is coming up at the bottom of the hour with an update from Ivan Rayland.
dan friesen
Oh, so we got a guest appearance from the most important man on earth.
So you got to cover this episode.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then now we got the future Secretary of Retribution, Ivan Rakeland, on top of that.
This episode is going to be played in history classes in the future.
Like generations will look back on this episode as it's a text.
jordan holmes
I worry sometimes that the truth is not.
You don't know how far into the future the future goes.
It could be.
It could be.
dan friesen
I will feel really, really bad if I'm joking around and then Ivan Rakelin becomes the Secretary of Retribution.
jordan holmes
It'll be a rough day.
It'll be a rough day for all of us.
Generally, because we'll probably be retributed upon.
dan friesen
I think there's some retribution.
So incidentally, the FBI and Pennsylvania State Police did hold a press conference on the day of the attempted assassination.
Alex is saying there's no press conference.
jordan holmes
They did.
dan friesen
Biden spoke that day and again the day after, the day after the shooting, the Secret Service, FBI, and Milwaukee law enforcement held a joint press conference to address the shooting as well as security concerns for the RNC.
You can find all these videos really easily.
All of them are on C-SPAN.
Alex is just pretending none of this exists because lying about it is much easier as a way to make this narrative work.
So that's fun.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it feels like if anybody is covering it up or at least not playing it hard enough, it is Trump.
Like, because if it was me doing this, I'm running the campaign and I'm just like, buddy, somebody tried to kill you because you're so dangerous, et cetera.
We're playing everything is also a result of them trying to kill me.
You know what I'm saying?
dan friesen
Look.
jordan holmes
Do you know why they got Harris?
Because they couldn't kill me.
So they had to do that.
Because she's just another option for trying to kill me.
Everything is because they couldn't kill me.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I think that it's good that he's not doing that.
jordan holmes
No, I agree.
dan friesen
But if I were running for president and someone shot at me, I mean, it would be a situation where who knows what the fuck I'm going to do.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
We're in uncharted territory.
I'm probably going to go crazy and basically start yelling.
Shoot your talk.
unidentified
Why not?
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
What are we doing?
unidentified
Oh, no.
jordan holmes
We're going to run on policy?
That's really what we're doing?
dan friesen
They shot him.
jordan holmes
Yes, exactly.
What are you talking about?
Oh, we're going to increase tax.
Shut up.
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Oh, JD Vance is weird.
jordan holmes
You're goddamn righteous.
Shoot at him.
Like, what do you, yeah?
It would be non-stop for me.
dan friesen
It does seem strange that what he's doing instead is trying to sell digital collectors cards.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it does seem strange.
dan friesen
Almost like it's all scam shit.
jordan holmes
Always has been.
dan friesen
So, Mark Zuckerberg wrote a little bit of a letter.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
I don't know if you heard about this.
unidentified
I did.
dan friesen
I did.
Alex has too.
unidentified
Wow.
alex jones
Zuckerberg comes out yesterday and says, okay, you caught me because members of the administration have been lying.
And Biden's been lying.
And Kamala's been lying.
And Maorkas has been lying.
And the Attorney General's been lying.
This year and last year in those weaponization hearings, weaponization of the censorship hearings.
Weaponization of the media hearings.
And so Zuckerberg, though, I guess, doesn't want to perjure himself.
So he wrote a letter yesterday saying, okay, yes, I was pressured.
I did censor for the election.
I election meddled.
He also spent $450-something million to categorize all the names of dead people or folks that have moved out of district and gave them the illegal aliens and others to vote and stuff the ballot boxes in the drop boxes.
So that's ultra-massive.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
So Zuckerberg didn't say that stuff in the letter.
jordan holmes
It seems it would be wild for him to admit to committing several, if not multiple felons for the government.
Yeah, multiple felonies in a letter to a sitting congressman would be an interesting choice.
dan friesen
So he just said that the Biden administration pressured them to remove content that would be dangerous around COVID and that he would resist those kinds of pressures in the future.
This raises an interesting point because legitimately nothing in the letter that Zuckerberg wrote is news.
But I think it's the first time that we have this big CEO expressing personally that he felt pressured by the requests made by the government.
And this is where things are kind of murky.
Like, is it okay for a government entity to make requests that you can feel pressured to acquiesce to if you're the head of a big company?
I would reframe this question and ask, is it even possible for a government entity to make a request of a big CEO that can never be experienced as applying pressure?
That is to say, is implied or subtle pressure always a part of government communication?
And I think the answer to that question is yes, which is why it's important as an individual to know your rights when you're dealing with law enforcement.
In the same way, by communicating with the government, Zuckerberg has put himself in a position where there's just going to be a feeling of pressure, and it's his responsibility to navigate that.
Once the government is mandating what he must do, then it's far closer to coercion, and that's a totally different conversation.
But if requests are understood to be pressure, I think that might be a natural and unavoidable part of communication between government and business.
And in his letter, Zuckerberg even says, quote, ultimately, it was our decision whether or not to take content down, and we own our decisions, including COVID-19-related changes we made to our enforcement in the wake of this pressure.
He felt pressure, but there's no indication from his letter that the government acted in any coercive way.
If I were Zuckerberg, I think I would feel constantly a little worried about pressure coming from the government, considering all the accusations of antitrust type activity and monopolistic practices that's mind-blowing.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, I would shit in the government's mouth pretty much non-stop.
I would shit in Biden's fucking mouth.
dan friesen
I can understand why you would have an approach of some hubris, but I would also think that the only thing that is like potentially stopping you from being able to exercise your business exactly how you want to is theoretical government oversight.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So I would be a little bit worried about that if I were him.
jordan holmes
I mean, I think what's great about this is there's going to be an awesome test case for why he should continue shitting in the government's mouth.
It's that Google is now illegal and they're not going to do anything about it.
dan friesen
He's written this letter to Jim Jordan, too, which is a little bit of a talent.
So, Alex is really going to have to lie to make this letter fit his narratives because it's a bit of an uncomfortable crossroad.
Before that letter was published, Zuckerberg was the evilest of evil globalists who wanted to fist fight Elon Musk and who spent his own money to make databases to steal the election for Trump.
In order for this letter to actually work the way Alex wants it to, he's got to make so many more confessions than he actually does in the letter.
As it stands, it just kind of is saying that Zuckerberg's like, I'm a weak leader for a media platform.
I'm super concerned about my public image.
That's kind of how it feels.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's more what it feels like.
Which is, again, bitch, it's like, man, what's the point of being so super rich if you have to write a letter like that to Jim Jordan?
What are you doing?
dan friesen
It does ruin the fun a little bit.
jordan holmes
Go somewhere and just be rich as shit and don't do anything that makes you write a letter to Jim Jordan.
Right.
You have all the choices in the world.
dan friesen
And Alex can't do stuff that's like, oh no, Zuckerberg is coming clean.
Like, you pretended to go to Hawaii to find his compound.
unidentified
Exactly.
dan friesen
The locals are going to murder him when the shit goes down.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Calm down, man.
jordan holmes
That's what I'm saying.
If you are Zuckerberg, be the guy with the compound.
dan friesen
Sure.
Yeah.
So Governor Abbott has made some news out of Texas because he has announced that he's kicked a bunch of people off the voter roll.
alex jones
Great.
dan friesen
That's how Alex talks about that here.
alex jones
It's just the level of lying when you think they can't turn up the lies anymore, when the lies backfire on them, when the lies don't work anymore, their answer is just get even crazier.
And they've caught all these millions of illegal aliens signed up and dead people to vote.
Just in Texas alone, a bunch of other states found the same thing and just expunged them off the rolls.
And the Democrats are going into total conniption fits, filing lawsuits to keep the illegal aliens and dead people on the voter rolls.
I mean, you can't make that up.
Just in Texas alone, Governor Greg Abbott removes over 1 million ineligible voters, including nearly 500,000 dead people and illegal aliens.
I mean, wow.
dan friesen
So recently, Texas Governor Greg Abbott announced that they had removed approximately a million ineligible voters from the Texas rolls.
In the real world, this is something that happens kind of regularly.
Every state has a process in place to routinely trim the rolls, but it's obviously not a perfect system.
And generally, folks that care about civil liberties agree that it's best to err on the side of not restricting voting access.
Making sure that everyone's on the roll who is a fully qualified voter, that's a process that would take an almost comical amount of time and organization.
And the funding and infrastructure doesn't really exist to handle that on the state level.
So in the case of Texas, they have processes like sending notices to potentially dead voters or voters who have moved and not updated their registration location.
It takes multiple times not hearing back to justify kicking someone off the rolls, which is good, but it's also kind of inefficient.
The Democrats aren't suing Abbott.
He's being sued by civil liberties groups that argue that his purge of the rolls is illegal because it's unclear what standards his office used to make the cuts and because it's a federal crime to remove voters from the rolls within 90 days of an election.
This is a provision that's important because if it weren't there, it would be super easy for a state to widely disenfranchise particular groups of people by erroneously kicking them off voter rolls close to an election so they wouldn't have the time to sort it out before it was time to vote.
Or more simply, you could just create more administrative hurdles to suppress voter turnout this way.
For instance, in this case, over 6,500 alleged non-citizens were kicked off the voter rolls, but no basis was given for determining these non-citizens.
It's very possible that some of these people are people who like they have a right to vote and they've been misidentified, so they're having their votes deprived by this.
That's very possible.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Texas did this in 2019 when their Secretary of State's office flagged 95,000 registered voters as being ineligible.
As that number was examined closer, it was discovered that these people were almost all mistakenly flagged.
In one county, the elections administrator had been sent a list of 8,035 people who, quote-unquote, shouldn't be on the rolls.
And the Texas Tribune reported that he ended up finding two non-citizens in the bunch, both of whom marked that they were not citizens on their registrations, but who had accidentally been added to the rolls by the office side of the country.
Sure, sure, sure.
It was not their fault.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
They just chose everybody with the last name Garcia for some reason.
No idea.
Crazy.
dan friesen
This was a big scandal, and Secretary of State David Whitley had to resign when it all came to light because of how glaring this was.
This kind of action is generally not motivated by a need to clean up the voter rolls, this kind of push to get people off the voter rolls.
It's a political move to push illegal voting narratives, and it's also a voter intimidation tactic primarily aimed at naturalized citizens who can vote but couldn't at some point when they lived in the country.
So like they may have answered, I'm not a citizen, to a past time they filled out a form.
It's very easy to get a lot of these people sort of swept up when you're not careful.
And that's kind of the point of doing this.
jordan holmes
If I was going to make a bet, I would say that if they made it so everybody could vote, no registration required, and you could vote as many times as you wanted, nobody was going to ask any questions.
95% of the people in this country would do the exact same thing they're doing right now.
We'd have about 45% show up to vote, but there would be a weird 2% that voted like 7,000 times.
Like, that's just who we are as a people.
dan friesen
That's entirely possible.
That would be a weird thought experiment.
unidentified
It'd be a weird experience.
jordan holmes
Honestly, it would lead to more Democratic outcomes.
dan friesen
I think probably.
It'd skew that way.
If you understand what Alex is talking about in the correct context, the story he's covering is about how he supports voter suppression efforts and wants to demonize civil liberty groups who are trying to protect access to voting, which is nuts.
That's not what he's supposed to believe.
That's where he's at.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I mean, at the same time, though, I don't know how to remember the Alamo quite as well as kicking non-white people off of your ballot in Texas.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know what I mean?
dan friesen
I guess so.
So we go to a little Trump interview that Alex plays a clip of.
And it's spoiler alert.
It's him talking about how maybe you put Elon Musk in the cabinet.
alex jones
Oh, great.
dan friesen
And you can hear Alex in the background very obsessively yelling out about how many views Trump and Elon's interview got.
alex jones
So here's Trump.
The election will be the most important day, in my opinion, in the history of our country.
No, I agree.
Because if our country goes the wrong way in this election, I think we're doomed.
And then he goes on here to talk about AI and a bunch of other key subjects.
And I'm going to give you my take on that.
Here's clip one.
unidentified
I read that Elon Musk said that he would accept a position in your cabinet.
dan friesen
Would that have to do with artificial intelligence?
donald j trump
Have a great relationship.
He's great.
He is a totally unusual character.
Do you know Elon?
alex jones
I don't.
donald j trump
He's great.
And he's smart.
And we have to cherish our geniuses.
You know, we don't have too many of them, right?
But he is a brilliant guy.
And what he really would like to do is get involved in cutting some of the fat.
And he does know how to do it.
And he loves the country.
You know, it's just an amazing thing.
We had a conversation the other day.
You would know better than me, but I hear it had hundreds of millions of people.
I heard it had the biggest audience.
alex jones
Over a million, Trump.
donald j trump
I mean, would you say that's a correct symbol?
alex jones
Absolutely.
donald j trump
There's never been anything even close.
I heard 750 million people.
I mean, numbers that are crazy.
jordan holmes
Unbelievable numbers.
alex jones
A billion plus clicked on it.
donald j trump
Yeah, he wants to be involved.
Now, look, he's running big businesses and all this.
alex jones
Hundreds of millions watching.
donald j trump
He could be free cabinet.
I put him in the cabinet, absolutely, but I don't know how he could do that with all the things he's got going.
But he can sort of, as the expression goes, consult with the country.
dan friesen
As the expression goes.
Yeah, I like that Alex is just his preoccupation.
He needs to butt in, Billy!
jordan holmes
Yeesh!
dan friesen
Because that's what's important to him, his views and attention.
jordan holmes
Can Trump hear him?
dan friesen
Yeah, probably.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, they're telepathically connected, if you believe, Alex.
That is helpful.
I do think that we are dangerously close to the potential for creating a real team of shitheads.
Like, you got Trump advance.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And then in the cabinet, you got RFK Jr.
unidentified
Hey.
dan friesen
You got Elon Musk.
Maybe Ivan Reichland is the Secretary of Retribution.
jordan holmes
Hey, listen, we earned it.
dan friesen
I don't think that they would make those choices, but it's bleak.
jordan holmes
It's just so funny reading an article now from anybody that's just like, oh, this is Harris's first big test.
And you're like, no, Nope.
Nope.
The test was 2016.
And the test was failed.
And now you're failing it again.
This has nothing to do with her.
Right.
dan friesen
Do you think it's possible that Trump would make Elon Musk the Secretary of State?
jordan holmes
First test.
dan friesen
Failed.
unidentified
Failed.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So Trump has failed a little bit of tests on Alex's part, too, as far as Alex is concerned.
And that is that he likes nuclear power.
And Alex likes coal because we have clean coal.
Sure.
And so Alex complains about that.
And I think that this clip is a really good snapshot of his feelings about Trump.
unidentified
Okay.
donald j trump
But nuclear is very powerful, very good.
unidentified
Nope.
donald j trump
The wind doesn't work.
It's very expensive.
Kills the birds.
Destroys everything around it.
It's very, very, very, very bad.
It's the most expensive energy wind.
And then every nine years you have to replace the turbines.
You know, they're made out of steel and they wear out.
But we will create tremendous electricity for our company, for our country.
And that will allow AI to compete.
And you're right.
Whoever gets that, it's going to be a big advantage.
You know, that's going to be sort of the oil of the future.
And we have to be the main player.
alex jones
And there's not enough in every study currently for all the electric cars.
So you've got to have more electricity for that.
They want to ration it from us and give it to AI.
Not a good idea.
We need coal.
donald j trump
We need it now.
alex jones
We got thousands of years of it just here.
Now let's go to Trump on free speech.
I totally agree with this.
donald j trump
We don't have free speech.
Then we just don't have a free country.
dan friesen
So that clip, I think, really sums up Alex's relationship with Trump.
He doesn't like what he actually says a lot of the time because Trump's positions on a bunch of shit should be deal breakers for him.
When Trump talks, you run the risk of him saying things like, we need to move away from coal and use nuclear power to fuel the AI arms race with China, which Alex should oppose on so many levels.
jordan holmes
On every level.
dan friesen
This shouldn't be an AI arms race, and Alex loves coal.
Climate change is a hoax, and we need to burn more coal.
So, why isn't Trump saying that?
That's all bullshit.
jordan holmes
That's insane.
dan friesen
Yeah.
On the flip side, Alex really loves edited packages of Trump over swelling music where someone with a knack for marketing has spliced together Trump saying exciting things about free speech.
This is the Trump that Alex supports.
Whereas the real person is just kind of a frustration.
Yeah.
unidentified
Like you hear him and you're like, no, yeah.
jordan holmes
It is a little bit like, I genuinely don't care what a candidate is, what their name is, what their policy positions are.
If I hear an interview with them saying, I am going to kill Jordan Holmes' dog, that's the deal breaker for me.
The end.
No more conversation.
You know, you can't kill my dog.
dan friesen
I think that's a little selfish.
jordan holmes
It is selfish, and that's how I'm going to live.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
You can't kill my dog.
dan friesen
You're a single-issue voter.
jordan holmes
I'm a single-issue voter.
dan friesen
Dog.
jordan holmes
Fanny lives forever.
dan friesen
Okay.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Well, Jake Harris has yet to speak out on this issue.
jordan holmes
I mean, if she goes the wrong way, she's lost a vote.
dan friesen
I know that Tim Walz wouldn't kill your dog.
jordan holmes
That's what I'm talking about.
dan friesen
So we got Ivan Reiklin coming in, future Secretary of Retribution and overall weirdo.
And so Alex introduces him.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
This is absolutely huge at Ivan Reiklin on X, Reikland.com.
He's a former Greenberry Lieutenant Colonel, recovering lawyer, ultra-marathoner, operating at the intersection between national security, startups, politics, and law.
And they've got a big conference coming up that's not just a congressional hearing to focus on the folks that are at the hearings.
The J13 Forum, 8-26-24, 12 p.m. Eastern live stream.
We'll be talking about that.
dan friesen
So as Alex has been hyping up Reiklin being on the show, he's been saying that he's involved with congressional hearings.
As it turns out, this actually is about a live stream about Trump's attempted assassination that was held on the 26th by the Heritage Foundation, featuring Eric Prince, Dan Bongino, and Matt Gates.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It was more or less a publicity stunt kind of thing, and Ivan wasn't even a panelist on that.
But he is the Secretary of Retribution, so it makes sense that he'd be here with Alex as a representative.
I mean, in terms of retribution matters, an assassination attempt is pretty high up there.
That is where retribution comes in.
Yeah.
So he's the person to talk to.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, Eric Prince being on that list makes me feel feudal.
And I mean that in like the feudal Lord sense of like, oh, this is the leader of the fucking, this is Game of Thrones shit.
Like, oh, the Second Sun's company is also being led by Eric Prince.
And so he's got a fucking thing with the Game of Thrones.
dan friesen
Like, what are we doing?
I sent a bird, I sent a raven to Peter Thiel.
And he's waiting on a reply.
jordan holmes
100%.
Yes.
What are we doing?
dan friesen
So, you know, they're investigating Trump's assassination attempt in Pennsylvania.
They're doing that.
jordan holmes
Right.
Because, I mean, that's fake.
dan friesen
Do they need to?
I think someone should ask some questions.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, for sure.
Yeah.
dan friesen
But the real investigation is fake.
ivan raiklin
Right.
dan friesen
The fake investigation, which is this Heritage Foundation publicity stunt.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That's the real investigation.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
I like it.
ivan raiklin
It showcased to the American public and to inform the Republican conference that Speaker Johnson had appointed these other rhino individuals to perform the official investigation of July 13th.
Meanwhile, none of those people, practically none of those people on that committee, have any experience in looking into this.
And they were selected by design.
I'm of the opinion, Alex, that they were appointed by Mike Johnson at the direction of Paul Ryan so that they wouldn't identify and implicate Paul Ryan's potential involvement in this op, if you will.
Because the timing of it is so suspect.
dan friesen
It's so suspect.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
dan friesen
Paul Ryan apparently tried to kill Trump.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
The timing of it would be suspect if we were 20 years ago, 10 years ago, something like that.
Whatever that was.
dan friesen
Yeah, I was.
jordan holmes
Now the timing is not suspect for Paul Ryan.
dan friesen
I was pretty shocked to hear Paul Ryan's name.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that one's.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So apparently he is applying undue pressure on Mike Johnson to make a fake investigation into the assassination attempt because they don't want those threads to be pulled that would implicate Paul Ryan.
jordan holmes
Paul Ryan.
dan friesen
Charge.
Paul Ryano.
jordan holmes
That's what I mean.
Like, is that it?
When was the last time you even heard Paul Ryan's name mentioned in a sentence that's important?
dan friesen
It's been quite a while.
jordan holmes
It's been a while.
And now he's killed Trump.
So maybe that's, or he tried.
So maybe that's what he, that's the motive.
dan friesen
It's quite a rebrand.
A really boring vice presidential candidate to Trump assassination organizer.
jordan holmes
A hell of a rebrand.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So I think Ivan might just be a little bit nuts.
Could be.
jordan holmes
Could be.
dan friesen
We laughed quite a bit on the last time he was on because he offered amnesty.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it was very kind of him.
dan friesen
He said, I think an early September date as the cutoff for amnesty.
jordan holmes
Which makes sense.
You know, you can't just let it be forever.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I mean, you have to be fair, but also there's a cutoff date.
Yeah.
So Heath, I think, believes that Mark Zuckerberg wrote his letter in order to get in the window.
jordan holmes
I like it.
I like that.
ivan raiklin
What's his name?
Fake book.
When he came out with that comment yesterday, he's basically begging for mercy.
He's begging for amnesty.
And now I did a call out saying that September 3rd is your last day for amnesty if you're going to come out as a whistleblower.
It doesn't apply to the principles on my deep state target list.
Mark Zuckerbuck is the principal on that list, which means even though he is apologizing for his genocidal participation with the censorship, he's not going to get amnesty.
If I have anything to do it, which I will as long as I'm alive, I am going to guarantee maximum consequences for Zuckerberg's involvement in censoring speech that ended up killing and murdering tens of thousands at a minimum.
dan friesen
So I bet Zuckerberg feels real stupid here on that.
jordan holmes
Yep.
He gave it his best shot.
And now to find out later on, that's bullshit.
That's bullshit.
That's like finding out that you're a Nazi scientist and you're not invited to America.
dan friesen
It's the fine print.
Yeah.
It's the fine print.
Zuckerberg didn't pay attention to the fine print, but the amnesty offer.
jordan holmes
It was the goddamn licensing agreements.
Every time he just clicks, I agree.
dan friesen
There is something about this Ivan that is fun in a like he's just living his dream.
unidentified
He cut him.
dan friesen
And then the second part is he has this like fake book and constantly calls the FBI FB lies.
jordan holmes
Oh, I love it.
I love it.
It's a little bit.
I like a little zinger.
I like to get it in.
dan friesen
He's a showman.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
So RFK endorsed Trump.
alex jones
Sure.
dan friesen
And this is a big deal, according to Alex and the future Secretary of Retro Project.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
In the time we have left, how big?
Because it's bigger than I thought it would be.
I thought it would be huge.
I was giving the inside intel, broke it last Tuesday.
But how big was this RFK and now Tulsi Gabbard's endorsement?
I'm seeing an exodus now because a lot of Democrats know that they're destroying their future supporting Kamala.
This gives them kind of the cover politically to publicly speak out for Trump.
I mean, I'm seeing an explosion of even more interest.
And even mainline analysts, Democrat Republican Party, like Frank Lunch, say this just gives it to Trump.
We shouldn't be overcompetent and confident because obviously they've got a lot of tricks up their sleeves, but this was big.
ivan raiklin
No, I saw that you broke it, and I'm glad that you did because it'll give me a little bit more time to kind of analyze this.
If you look at the timeline from last weekend to Monday or over the weekend, on Friday is when the endorsement took place, and you saw the crowd in Arizona.
They went absolutely nuts.
I've never seen or heard such an ovation of support when RFK came on stage, other than obviously for President Trump.
dan friesen
Good save.
So RFK endorsing Trump is a big deal.
And it's a big deal in exactly and only the way Ivan is expressing it.
This endorsement makes RFK very popular among Trump fans, but doesn't do much else.
His favorability among Republicans jumped 17% because they wanted to like him already, but they weren't allowed to because he was Trump's enemy.
I just don't know what kind of demographic exists that was ambivalent about voting for Trump, but then RFK endorsed him and that flipped them.
This is a big win for RFK in that he expands his potential audience, particularly to a crowd addicted to strong men leader worship.
But in terms of the election, this feels like a zero.
jordan holmes
I mean, there's another story of him cutting an animal's head off and putting it on something.
dan friesen
I missed this one.
jordan holmes
I think it was a shark now.
I think there's a story about him cutting a shark's head off and putting it on a boat.
Like, this is, this is, I don't even know what to tell you.
And furthermore, how do you, this is a guy, this is the dog thing.
dan friesen
Was it a bit?
jordan holmes
Probably.
dan friesen
Okay, because if it was a bit, I'm going to allow it.
unidentified
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I don't even know.
I don't even know.
But the thing is, right?
I still just don't get the like, okay, and now I'm going to endorse him.
Your narrative is he murdered millions upon millions of people.
This is, you can't murder my dog.
I will stop.
I won't vote for you.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And I understand the political.
I won't vote.
dan friesen
Operation Warp Speed should be equivalent to your dog.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And they act like it, but, you know, I don't think it's sincere.
jordan holmes
No.
How is that possible?
How can you believe that they murder 20 million people and then also be like, well, we got to give them another go?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
It's baffling.
If you're RFK, this is exactly what you should be doing.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
Like, I understand.
unidentified
You should not be abusing animals.
dan friesen
I don't know the full story of this shark thing, so I don't want to comment.
jordan holmes
I don't want to comment any further on it either.
dan friesen
So Alex says farewell to the future secretary and decides to take some calls before Tucker shows up.
And so he wants to take calls mostly on Zuckerberg and shit.
jordan holmes
Zuckerbuck.
alex jones
We're going to take first-time callers again today.
And let's just put 10 on the board because the call system will take 20-plus calls.
unidentified
Yes.
alex jones
10 calls to the board that way.
Everybody gets on air and interspersed with the news.
10 callers we're going to take on this subject.
We're opening the phones up right now.
Election 2024.
Zuckerberg coming out and saying, yeah, they told me to censor and manipulate the election.
I'm not going to lie.
dan friesen
I'm not going to lie.
You got me.
I decided to meddle with the election.
It's so interesting to phrase it this way.
That's the way you're going.
It's just, it's going to be disappointing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Zuckerberg's not going to live up to your expectations.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
You already have Musk.
You don't need another tech billionaire guy, social media platform.
jordan holmes
Also, by any possible metric you have internally, if he says he's not going to lie, that is meaningless.
You think he's a liar.
dan friesen
Based on the character that you have presented me with up till this point, I should not trust him saying I've been lying.
jordan holmes
You're saying that he's a liar, right?
So why would you trust him now?
dan friesen
Seems foolish.
jordan holmes
It seems insane.
dan friesen
So there's still some, you know, I don't think Alex actually gets that many calls.
I'm starting to think that maybe spaces might be a tactical decision going to those as opposed to going to calls.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because you've got to kill some time.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And why not?
Tucker's going to be coming on.
Let's listen to a clip of Tucker talking to Glenn Beck.
Great.
alex jones
And they're globalist, and they're out to get us.
They dissolved our borders.
So here's Tucker asking the most important question.
glenn beck
Look at what's happening over in Europe with their illegal problem or their refugees and how the governments over there are responding to the people.
And you see it's exactly the same problems.
It's exactly the same laws, the same responses, the same media response.
And then you know that Joe Biden is incapable.
Who the hell has been the president?
Who is running this country?
tucker carlson
Well, and what you're seeing around the world is really not around the world.
It's just in traditionally Christian countries.
glenn beck
Yes.
unidentified
It's in the West.
tucker carlson
It's in Christendom.
It's not happening in Asia.
It's not happening in Singapore.
It's not happening in Lagos, Nigeria.
It's not happening, of course, in China or Japan.
These are still ethnostates.
No one contests their right to be that.
But it's happening in the historic homeland of Christianity from Scandinavia really all the way to Hungary and Central Europe is kind of the border.
They held the line.
But everywhere else, Ireland?
What did Ireland do to deserve this?
But the same thing is happening everywhere.
And you think, well, is this a conspiracy?
Is it a manifestation of spiritual war?
That's my conclusion.
You know, I have no real evidence, but I don't see another explanation that makes sense.
I don't know, but it's all happening at once.
As you said, exactly the same thing.
It's much bigger than just, you know, the refugee agencies pushing people in because they're liberal and the media is supporting them because they're liberal too.
This is the end of a civilization.
dan friesen
It's a spiritual war, and Tucker has no evidence of this, but he believes that he has a holy mandate to have an ethnostate.
tucker carlson
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is pretty fucked up.
That's great.
jordan holmes
That's great.
Good stuff.
Good stuff all around, everybody.
dan friesen
I mean, even take the stuff away about the ethnostate business of this all.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And let's remove that a little bit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And really just microscope in on Tucker being like, I think this is a spiritual war between demons and angels.
Now, I have no evidence of that, but that's kind of what I think.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You should be laughed out of the public conversation.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it shouldn't be allowed.
dan friesen
Right.
If someone was making this argument in favor of something that I was like pro for, I would think like, this is a bad way to make that argument, man.
Looks bad.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Did we ever get full-on, like, I apologize and I've resigned letters from every person who wrote a Glenn Beck has changed thing?
No.
Never?
dan friesen
No, but we've gotten over this.
Not one?
I think Glenn Beck's gone through like three cycles since then.
jordan holmes
See what I'm saying?
I don't think this should be allowed.
dan friesen
No.
unidentified
Now he's the guy who's letting Tucker on his show say he wants an ethnostate.
dan friesen
And it's a holy mandate.
jordan holmes
And it's a holy mandate.
dan friesen
Sure.
And let's not like just gloss over the fact that this is Alex Jones playing a clip of Glenn Beck and Tucker Carlson.
Two people that he presumably.
Glenn Beck is a ripoff of him who the CIA was trying to set up to disempower Alex as an entity.
And Tucker Carlson's a bowtie-wearing rhino thing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, Strange Bedfellows doesn't even begin to cover it.
dan friesen
Nope.
So Alex and a caller, they get to talking about how they're soldiers for God, but really for Trump.
That's not good.
And if Trump doesn't win the election, they will use force to seize the infrastructure.
jordan holmes
That's not good.
alex jones
Look at how God, look at how God put his finger on the scale and turned Trump's head.
Exactly.
And we just pray to God.
unidentified
God is going to use Trump.
Trump's giving us all these comms, man.
Just the other day, what did he say about deputizing hundreds of thousands that gentleman's talking about UN troops?
Look at our army that we have in this country if we needed to activate it.
Meaning all of us.
You know what I mean?
alex jones
And that's right.
And then we'll have governors and attorney generals and the president on our side, and we will just simply go into the power plants and go into the corporate facilities that the globalists have seized, and we will just remove them legally and lawfully.
unidentified
God's going to move his mighty hand here shortly, Alex.
I think we all know that.
All of us believers are going to be able to do it.
alex jones
I can feel it.
I think the hand's already moving.
The dam's already...
Eddie Bravo and I and Rogan were on the phone the other night, and Eddie was like, is the dam breaking?
And I said, Eddie, the dam already broke.
jordan holmes
It burned to the ground.
dan friesen
Yeah, noted stupid person.
We're talking people.
That's pretty blunt.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah.
dan friesen
If we cannot take power through legitimate means, our militias and a bunch of weirdos will take over infrastructure and seize it from the globalists.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I do appreciate a good removing of the veneer of democracy and returning to the truth of extortion.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Well, but like, hey, dumb-dumb, isn't this what you tried to do on January 6th?
jordan holmes
That's exactly what they tried to do on January 6th.
dan friesen
And the people who did it were arrested because they were the militias.
jordan holmes
You didn't have enough guys.
dan friesen
They left their guns over at the other side of the lake.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they chunked it.
dan friesen
So, yeah, I don't know.
It's just very, it's very direct.
I feel like if you're listening to this and you can't really, I'm not saying that they're going to do this.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But they can't pretend this isn't what they're talking about.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But, I mean, that is kind of the interesting thing about January 6th having happened and Trump still being alive.
It's like, that's the subtext under everything.
There's no reason to dispense with that as like, and not even subtext.
That's the text.
Like, if I don't get what I want, January 6th.
And I'll tell you how I know that because January 6th.
You know, it's like it's, yeah.
dan friesen
But it'll probably be a little bit worse at least.
jordan holmes
I mean, or even more disappointing, it will be nothing.
And it'll turn out that nobody actually wanted to do it.
dan friesen
Alex single-handedly takes over a power plant.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, I don't know.
We might be doing a Yu-Ki-O Mishma.
Why not?
Fucking go for it.
dan friesen
I'm just upset with how pretty clear this is in terms of the conversation.
jordan holmes
Strategically, I would just throw this out there.
Don't put it on the air.
dan friesen
Sure.
I mean, it does, you know, Matt Bracken talking about how we're going to storm the White House.
jordan holmes
Not good.
dan friesen
I think that being recorded was tough.
And this is kind of in that same terror.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So, Alex, Tucker, I think he is late or something.
At one point, Alex is taking a call and he just completely ignores the person and is like, oh, sorry, someone came into the studio and was stabbing me.
I think they were saying that Tucker was running a little late or something because he ends up just playing a bunch of clips about how Muslims are stabbing people.
jordan holmes
Ah, play music.
dan friesen
Yeah, it would have been better.
jordan holmes
It would have been better.
alex jones
And they'd be trying to show this thing when they try to arrest you.
Let's roll this video.
For radio listeners, I will narrate it.
Muslim man seen climbing into a woman's apartment.
He ended up stabbing one of her guests.
This is in Sweden.
So the wonderful, it's so wonderful to see cultural enrichment in action, I wrote.
In evil America, the woman might have had a gun to protect herself in loving liberal Europe.
We can think the state people are defenseless and cannot stop such wonderful things.
Play it with audio.
unidentified
Oh, hi, Paul.
alex jones
Muhammad.
dan friesen
So Alex said, I wrote, you know, like he's just recapping his racist tweets.
That's basically what this segment of the show is.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, he's reading racist tweets.
dan friesen
Like, conceivably, he posted himself.
Or someone else posted from the Alex Jones Twitter account.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
So he's Doug Bensoning.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yes.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yes.
All right.
Except he's not high.
jordan holmes
Maybe a better show.
dan friesen
So this video that Alex plays is from last May 2023.
And the attacker in this case has already been charged and sentenced to two years in prison for stabbing one man.
Once he's served his prison time, he'll be deported and barred from ever re-entering Sweden.
Alex is presenting this video as a migrant just randomly climbing in someone's window and attacking them, but there's more context here.
This man was using a ladder to try to climb into his ex-girlfriend's home and attack her.
The guy who got stabbed was a friend of hers who was trying to talk him down.
This attacker was a danger to the people around him, but his status as a migrant has nothing to do with that.
The issue here was one of domestic violence, but Alex is using this to depict some kind of random migrant crime wave, even though it's over a year old as a video and doesn't relate really.
This is a dude who's trying to incite hatred on racial and xenophobic lines.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, you know, I mean, if you really want to just let down, let all of our labels go, let all of our stuff go, all of our things that we get, you know, excited about go.
I think a lot of our problems really just are domestic violence.
dan friesen
There's a lot of it.
jordan holmes
There's a, there is just men being too allowed to be.
Yeah.
dan friesen
There's a, there is a, there's a lot of problems that spring from that well.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That is definitely true.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So one of the problems that springs from all sorts of wells is Tucker Carlson.
jordan holmes
Nice transition.
dan friesen
It was lazy.
jordan holmes
I like it.
I like it.
dan friesen
I don't think I landed it.
jordan holmes
You had some swagger to it.
I liked it.
alex jones
I did.
dan friesen
I did lean back.
jordan holmes
You got a little lean back.
I liked it.
You got a little fat back.
dan friesen
So Tucker comes around and Alex gives him the most important man in the world type of introduction.
alex jones
Well, the number one journalist in the world is our guest now, live on this Tuesday, August 22nd, 2024.
Transmission.
Oh, he knows it's true.
He's smiling, blushing.
The mighty Tucker Carlson from his compound in beautiful mountains of Maine.
All right, ladies and gentlemen, he just came out that huge interview with RFK Jr.
You can cut the excitement and suspense with a knife, then the deep state is in total panic mode, but we've only got him for a short time.
Very gracious to pop in with us.
Before we get into all the news, Tucker, you have got a string of super successful live podcast events with special guests across the country.
I'm going to be with you.
What is it?
The 23rd coming up in Pennsylvania.
I was talking off air.
You think that's going to be the biggest event?
Tell us about the tour.
I know it's already very successful.
People go to tuckercarlson.com forward slash events to get tickets.
Also, VIP events for meet and greet.
I can't wait to be part of this.
Thank you so much for including me.
tucker carlson
Well, you're kind of the point of doing this whole tour revolves around you, and that's not flattery.
It's sincere.
alex jones
Oh, God.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
I would genuinely hope nobody were to reach out to the venue and let them know.
dan friesen
I don't know.
Well, actually, I do know.
I went to the venue's webpage, and they're aware that Alex is on that.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
Okay.
But it's the second time they tried to book Alex.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
The other venue fell through.
jordan holmes
I gotcha.
dan friesen
And so now they've rebooked something.
jordan holmes
That makes sense.
dan friesen
And apparently, I guess this place is fine.
jordan holmes
This place is fine with this.
dan friesen
Gotcha.
So, yeah, that was disturbing, though.
This tour, you are the point of this tour.
jordan holmes
If there's ever been a level of flattery that should get you punched in the face, that is it.
dan friesen
Well, here's the.
I go so many directions with Tucker.
I think that he is one of the most cynical fucking insincere shits in the world.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's a true monster.
dan friesen
But then I also think he's pretty dumb, but not that dumb.
I can't tell if he's trying to manipulate Alex with that or if that is couched in some sincere place that he's coming from.
jordan holmes
He's the type of dumb that knows enough to make you to get away with shit.
It's very easy to never actually learn things if people just assume that you know stuff.
And so if you learn the stuff that makes people assume you know stuff, then you don't ever actually have to learn.
So then you just get to say whatever you want.
dan friesen
This is good to learn.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I was really worried.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
When I hear Tucker say something like, you're the point of this tour.
tucker carlson
Right.
dan friesen
I'm like, I got a, what do you mean?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Can you clarify on that?
So he talks a little bit here.
tucker carlson
The point of doing this whole tour revolves around you, and that's not flattery.
It's sincere.
By the way, being called the most powerful journalist in America, it really is like being the best caterer in the Central African Republic.
I mean, it's such a disgusting business.
I'm embarrassed even to be called a journalist.
But no, the point is, and I'm always amazed to be on your show because the FBI has been trying to shut you down for so long and you're still here.
So that just shows the power of one man's determination to defeat the machine.
God bless you for that.
But you can't censor a live event.
And I'll be honest without getting into details.
Obviously, you were like the first person I wanted to have on in one of these stadium shows.
And finding a venue for that for, you know, the disgrace, the dangerous, the terrifying Alex Jones, you know, whose main crime was predicting 9-11 in detail, can have him.
No profits allowed.
It's hard to find a venue.
dan friesen
Yeah, no shit.
Most places don't want to be associated with Alex.
It has nothing to do with how Tucker saw an edited clip of Alex pretending to predict 9-11 in detail, and now he thinks he's a prophet.
If you're a venue, Alex is not worth the risk.
He's a volatile drunk.
His audience is not cool.
And there's an unfortunately high chance that you might have to issue a statement after the show distancing yourself from what happened.
If Tucker's version of freedom includes forcing venues to book shit like that, that seems dumb.
And all I really hear here is like complaining that it's trying to pass off feelings of entitlement as free speech.
And that's garbage.
Also, Tucker's joke about the Central African Republic catering business.
Is that supposed to be a joke about the food being bad or the catering businesses there being corrupt?
Or is it making fun of food insecurity?
Like, I don't know what the point of that joke was.
jordan holmes
So we don't know what the joke is.
dan friesen
It seems shitty.
Whatever it is.
jordan holmes
No, I'm sure it's shitty.
dan friesen
It seems malicious.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's so weird because it's like, oh, man, I could really go for it.
Like, I know four restaurants off the top of my head right now.
I was like, oh, yeah, I can get some of that.
dan friesen
You were jotting a note.
jordan holmes
I just, I am blown away.
So I know how to lie.
I can lie.
That's fine.
Lying, it's not complicated.
We all do it.
But generally, it's like what you do is you have the kernel of the truth and you just kind of wrap it around and oomph, you know, and you get it through, you get it across the line.
I do not know how to bald face say shit to Alex the way Tucker does.
dan friesen
That's the part.
jordan holmes
That's amazing.
dan friesen
That's the part where I almost end up buying into his bullshit a little bit.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like there is a part of me that's like, you must have seen this video and you just accepted that Alex had this like prophetic.
It's the same thing as like, okay, if you're willing to say, I think this is a spiritual battle between demons and angels in the form of migration.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I have no evidence of this, but this is just what I believe to be true.
If you're willing to be that upfront about how little evidence you require of anything, then maybe you did just see this stupid edited video of Alex and you're like, oh my God.
Oh my God, psychics are real.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Are you that dumb?
Is it possible?
alex jones
No.
jordan holmes
No, he's not.
dan friesen
It can't be.
jordan holmes
Nope.
It's just he has a true, like, I think, but I mean, I've known that from so many rich people that I've met throughout my life is their ability to lie is unparalleled.
And that's kind of usually how you get rich.
It's like amazing.
dan friesen
It is.
jordan holmes
It's terrifying.
dan friesen
In this case, it's right where I have the difficulty of finding my credulity.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, I just can't decide how stupid I think Tucker is.
jordan holmes
No, here's what I'm saying.
dan friesen
I know that there's a level of stupidity, and I know that there's a level of malicious manipulation that he's doing.
Right, right.
And I just can't figure out exactly where that line is.
jordan holmes
Here's what you're going.
I think I'm not going to say like, I know 100%.
I don't know, Tucker.
But from my experience with the people who run hearing aid companies and people who do all that stuff, right?
The trick isn't that they're lying.
It's that they don't think you're a person.
So they can say whatever.
It's like when you're talking to your dog, oh, here's EdgyQuil, you know, or like, oh, here's Edgy Matt.
You know, the dog can't understand you.
So you can say whatever you want, right?
It is very much that kind of similar style of like, I can't lie to a person who I believe is a person, but you, buddy, don't worry about it.
You know, like I've seen, oh my God.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I don't even want to tell some of the stories.
dan friesen
That may be.
That may be the way Tucker just operates.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
They're just crazy.
But there's a real, like, it's impossible that he's fully just stupid.
Sure.
Because there are like just little moments where like, that is definitely, you know what you're doing.
This is manipulative.
tucker carlson
It's hard to find a venue, you know, and we found one in Reading, Pennsylvania.
And I just thought, this is the whole point.
This can't be censored.
You know, Google does not have control of a live event yet.
And so people who are wondering, like, oh, I've heard Alex Jones is the most terrifying person since Edi Amin.
Is he really?
They can come and find out for themselves.
And that's kind of the promise of America is that we're citizens, we're not slaves, we're free men, and we get to hear and decide for ourselves.
dan friesen
That's a complete farce of a point.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
Tucker's not allowing his audience to see Alex and decide for themselves.
He's selling them on him and promoting Alex as a prophet.
Tucker wants to pretend that Alex is this entity that's so challenging to the system and it's a revolutionary act for him to have him on the tour stop because that plays into Tucker's own self-image.
He can pretend that the goal is to let the audience decide for themselves about Alex, but Tucker hasn't even looked any deeper than an edited clip to decide that Alex can see the future.
Why doesn't Tucker look a little deeper and see for himself why people might not like Alex?
Probably because to do so would jeopardize their ability to make a shitload of money playing this false iconoclast role.
Also, I went to check out this event.
The website tickets are very still available.
This is not selling out.
So that's fun.
jordan holmes
That's such a good point that he's selling it.
Like, that's why I immediately went to the hearing aids because the hearing aid people, they're the people who are trying to like, oh, you have a hearing loss, so let's try and help you.
And then they're the salesmen who are just like, I met so many people who are like, these hearing aids aren't working.
And then I find out that the guy hadn't even turned them on.
And it's like, how could you be such a psychopath to sit there across from another human being and lie to their face for money?
dan friesen
Wow.
And then commission, baby.
jordan holmes
Not even turn them on, man.
It was insane.
dan friesen
Division's the same whether you turn them on or not.
jordan holmes
That's what I'm saying.
That is exactly it.
That's exactly it.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's crazy.
It's amoral, not immoral.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
That's what they want to believe.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And I just think psychopaths tend to.
dan friesen
I think that when you are presenting things this way, you know what you're doing.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, you're not having Tim Walz on your show.
You're not having him at one of your live dates.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
You're having Kid Rock.
And you're having JD Vance.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
So, like, you know what you're doing, you dumb shit.
Don't fucking pretend that this is, I think everybody is entitled to see everybody in here and make their own decisions.
Is Alex so bad?
No, you're the maestro.
You're the ringmaster telling them that he isn't this bad.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I wonder if there is anything with more potential to out AI conversation than JD Vance and Tucker Carlson talking.
Like, what could they even possibly say to each other?
dan friesen
You know what I'm saying?
jordan holmes
They'll just say non-sequiturs back and forth, and people will be like, oh, what an interesting conversation.
They don't talk like humans.
dan friesen
I just had a terrible idea.
jordan holmes
What do you got?
dan friesen
Tickets are very still available.
jordan holmes
No, we're not going.
dan friesen
I'm not even saying going to Pennsylvania.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I'm saying following this thing around like the Grateful Dead.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
Well, oh, man.
dan friesen
It's hard to say no to give up September.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, fuck it.
dan friesen
There is a really small part of me that actually wants to do this.
jordan holmes
Generally, we're mobile.
I mean, we're.
dan friesen
You have a car.
jordan holmes
We're recording out of your office.
dan friesen
True.
jordan holmes
All of our stuff fits within one suitcase.
And I mean that, including all the things we own.
dan friesen
All right.
Let's think about this.
unidentified
Oh, God.
dan friesen
We can't.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
But we can't not.
dan friesen
You know, the thing that attracts me most to the idea of going to see the Stucker Live show is that there's no mediator.
It's just like a live experience.
You're just seeing thoughts.
tucker carlson
And in a live event, there's no mediator.
There's nobody to, there's no gatekeeper.
There's no one to stop you from hearing.
There's no one to twist the words into a storyline that's been pre-approved by NSA and the Department of Homeland Security.
It's just like you and the person.
And I just love that.
I love the idea, the immediacy of it and the unfiltered nature of it.
So, yeah, I mean, I literally can't wait.
And I bet you, and again, this is not flattery, but sincere, not one person will come away from that event in Reading, Pennsylvania at the end of next month thinking, oh, Alex Jones is as insane and dangerous as I was told.
They're going to come away saying, actually, I agree with all of that.
Why is this guy so bad?
And then they're going to realize, oh, he's so bad because he's telling me things I kind of suspected were true.
I mean, I was doing an interview yesterday with Bobby Kennedy.
Really, an amazing interview.
And right in the middle of it, he's like, you know, atrazine, you know, it can change the sex of frogs.
And he was on a roll, so I didn't want to interrupt him.
And I was like, I think Alex Jones made that point like 15 years ago and was mocked.
dan friesen
So when Tucker says that people will probably leave the show thinking that Alex isn't so bad and maybe the man just hates him because he speaks the truth, that's not because there's no mediator.
It's because Tucker's the mediator and that's the message he wants them to leave the show with.
This is all just such a transparent charade and you almost feel embarrassed for him trying to sell this shit.
Also, just because it's fun.
In 2020, Trump's administration cut regulations around atrazine, making monitoring pollution of public waterways much more difficult.
In 2021, when Biden got into office, his EPA put new rules in place to limit the amount of atrazine that can be used, including prohibiting its use aerially.
And when rain is likely to cause runoff, when that's forecast within 48 hours, you weren't allowed.
There was a regulation against that.
If you're a they're turning the frogs gay voter, then Biden is your guy and Trump shouldn't be.
Now, the right-wing Supreme Court that Trump put in place and Alex loves so much ruled overturning Chevron v. Natural Resources Defense Council that regulatory agencies like the EPA have way less authority to make rules and protect public shit like common waterways or the air from people who can make a few extra bucks by polluting.
The net result of that is going to be much more atrazine that is spilled into public waters.
jordan holmes
Well, the good news is no one's even trying to solve that problem.
dan friesen
Especially not the people who are yelling about the frogs.
Alex and Tucker are incoherent in their position here.
If you want to have your fun with the they're turning the frogs gay stuff, fine, do it.
You just have to vote for Harris and you also have to support patting the Supreme Court.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah, you have to support just so many things.
dan friesen
If you don't, you're just talking shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
And that's fun, but we're all just talking shit.
jordan holmes
Kind of.
dan friesen
Someone who's not talking shit anymore, though.
Yeah.
CEO of Telegram.
jordan holmes
Oh, right.
Well, he can't.
dan friesen
Yeah, he got arrested.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's pretty funny.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's complicated.
jordan holmes
No, it's not.
dan friesen
It is fairly complicated.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
But you know, it's not.
We can talk about why you don't think it's complicated.
I get you.
But what is very uncomplicated is Alex and Tucker's version of the story.
Okay.
They have a bullshit version.
Okay.
tucker carlson
When is someone going to call Alex Jones and be like, hey, Alex Jones, you were right about the frogs?
Sorry?
alex jones
Well, you're too kind, but already very successful.
Already very successful events, selling out quickly.
People go to tuckercarlson.com forward slash events.
They can find everything right there.
And it really is an act of resistance to do this and to get out there en masse.
And it's really overall about the campaign, I think, for free speech.
Speaking of Elon Musk, we have, I know you talked about this last few days, the arrest of the head of Telegraph, which is even bigger globally right now than X, though X is growing, already bigger than Facebook and Instagram.
I mean, that really is another sign of major tyranny.
And I think a beta test for trying to arrest Elon Musk.
We know Australia, we know Brazil, we know the EU are all talking about wanting to arrest Elon Musk.
tucker carlson
Well, yeah, and it's also really weird because I think of him as a friend.
I mean, I really like him personally, Pavel, who was arrested in France this weekend.
And basically, you know, Macron just said it out loud.
We arrested him because he refused to censor things we didn't like, criticism of the French government, for example.
dan friesen
So these dudes are not dealing with this case, honestly.
And it's a shame because they have a leg to stand on here without lying.
They want to present the idea that Pavel Durov, the CEO of Telegram, was arrested because he wouldn't censor speech like other social media platforms.
They allowed anti-vax stuff and bigotry, so Macron had to take them down.
In the real world, Telegram refused to cooperate with, quote, multiple criminal cases in France tied to child sexual abuse, drug trafficking, and online hate crimes, according to reporting from the New York Times.
The issue is that these crimes were facilitated by the platform of Telegram, and it appears that Durov has a pattern of being uncooperative with investigations into these crimes.
This wouldn't be a huge issue if the communications on Telegram were all end-to-end encrypted, in which case, Telegram wouldn't have access to the stuff that these investigators want.
People think Telegram is all end-to-end encrypted, but it's not always.
So Durov and his company have access to many things that could be requested by investigators.
The question is whether or not this is something that you should be arrested for.
If you create a social network and profit off its operation and people use it to plan and do crimes, are you beholden to help authorities solve those crimes if you're asked?
At what point do you take on responsibility for enabling or covering up a crime by not providing requested information you have access to?
I think that sane people can argue both sides of that, but I resent someone like Tucker or Alex just creating this fake version of the story to make it fit the grievance narratives that they profit off of.
Like, I don't know.
I think it is a little complex.
jordan holmes
No, I understand.
dan friesen
In terms of should he have been arrested, I can see an argument for yes, and I can see an argument for no.
jordan holmes
In a conversation wherein things make sense, I totally understand why there would be ambiguity here.
In real life, if you start a social network, you should probably be arrested.
unidentified
Oh, if that's the level that you're okay.
jordan holmes
I don't know what to tell you.
dan friesen
If that is your bar, then yes, it is very nice.
jordan holmes
I don't think social networks should exist at all.
So, I mean, also, like, I get what you're saying, but how many people are in the position to be affected by this?
All of them that I can think of probably deserve to go to jail for any number of people.
You know, like Al Capone got a tax evasion thing.
Like, I get it.
I think tax evasion is wrong.
But if you wanted to send people to jail for tax evasion, I would have more of a leg to stand on arguing against that for Alcaf and Pwn than this asshole.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You know what I'm saying?
dan friesen
I see this issue as being something that I understand why law enforcement agencies could feel like you're not turning over stuff to us that is essential and you have access to.
Sure.
And so I'm going to arrest you.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
I can see that.
On the other side, I can see how people would be like, this implicates free speech in a meaningful way on some sort of principle.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I can see that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I wish that was the conversation Alex is having.
unidentified
I get it.
dan friesen
And it's not.
jordan holmes
No, I read a couple of things that I read somebody who very earnestly and stupidly, I was like, oh, this is worrying for you as well.
And it's like, hey, come on, shut the fuck up.
unidentified
No one is worried because this asshole got arrested.
dan friesen
I'm not worried because human beings will ever use Telegram.
Yeah.
unidentified
But I get the free speech point.
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
And I don't think that it's based in insanity.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
I think Alex's version is based on insanity.
jordan holmes
I don't think it's based in insanity.
It's based in the concept of a world that does not exist.
dan friesen
That may be.
Yeah.
So Tucker tells the story of this CEO and how he left Russia.
And this is a little bit complicated because Tucker has to be pro-Putin, you know?
jordan holmes
Yeah, you can't be both, right?
dan friesen
He tries.
tucker carlson
Okay.
So what's the definition of a dictatorship?
The definition of a dictatorship is a government that arrests people for criticizing that government.
So I mean, keep in mind, Durov left Russia in 2014 because the Russian government demanded the IP addresses of people on the other side of the Ukrainian of the false flag, you know, overthrow the Ukrainian government that the State Department, the State Department affected over there, our State Department.
unidentified
What?
tucker carlson
And the Russians said, we want, you know, their IP addresses.
And Durov said, no, I'm not doing that.
I'm not going to give information on my users to the government.
And so he left his own country, Russia.
So he's Russian.
And he left because he thought the Putin government was too restrictive on the question of free speech.
And he moved ultimately to the United Arab Emirates in Dubai, where he lives now.
jordan holmes
Which is not a dictatorship.
tucker carlson
But the irony is 10 years later, he gets arrested by a so-called free country, France, at the behest of the Biden administration.
There's no chance they did that without checking with the U.S. State Department and the National Security Council, the White House.
They did that with the approval of the United States government, the Biden administration, and they arrest the guy for allowing ordinary people to say what they think.
dan friesen
So I'm noticing this little pattern with Tucker, which is just shit talk.
You know, like there's the, this is a spiritual battle.
I have no evidence.
It's just what I want to believe.
There's no way they'd do this without the government, the U.S. government, Biden.
So therefore, it must be the case that that is true.
That's sloppy.
He just does this all the time.
jordan holmes
See, but if that was true, that's fucking worrying.
If I was French and it was like, wait, wait, wait, wait, you're just arresting this guy because Biden and the State Department said that you should, and you're making up this bullshit to do it, that's concerning.
dan friesen
That would be worrying.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think I would be slightly less worried if they had a legitimate reason to arrest him because of the non-cooperation with these investigations.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And they reached out a little.
unidentified
Hey, U.S. You guys gonna fuck with us?
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't think that's as worrying, although it's a little bit weird.
But all of it is Tucker just guessing things.
jordan holmes
Well, but even then, his point should be like, well, I support Russia having arrested him before he was born, you know, or before Telegram was born.
dan friesen
Well, see, this is why it's complicated.
No, that because Putin's the Putin's a good guy, but then he's also the antagonist of the story that leads to Pavlo leaving Russia.
tucker carlson
Okay.
jordan holmes
Here's what happens a lot of the times: people say things are complicated because if they were not complicated, then they would have to just do the thing, right?
So they complicate things that are not complicated.
That way, they can say things are complicated instead of just doing the thing.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
No, I think that Tucker's attempt to live in this space in the middle of ideas is complicated.
jordan holmes
It's complicated.
dan friesen
But I'm using that term in this case kind of sarcastically.
Right, right, right.
jordan holmes
It's very complicated.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Also, that's not the definition of a dictatorship.
I find it fascinating.
Also, Durav wasn't arrested for letting people post what they think.
Your boomer grandpa in France totally can get arrested for posting a sick anti-immigrant meme.
His company theoretically had information that would aid in the investigation into things like selling people, and they refused to cooperate with that investigation.
The only thing I think that explains Tucker's actions and the way that he's misrepresenting things is malice.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I really think I watch him, and in addition to that, like he's dumb, but he's not that dumb.
He's crafty, but this isn't all craft.
He does believe some of this shit.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
I also think he might be the angriest person in media.
jordan holmes
I think that's possible.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
When he laughs, it's anger.
jordan holmes
It's cruel.
Yes.
He laughs like the way somebody that you've read about tortures dogs.
Like, he's a cruel monster.
dan friesen
Almost everything in him, even expressions of joy, are dripping in resentment and anger.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I think it's like he feels bad about his own career, and why wouldn't you?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, he tried to do the bow tie thing and got roundly mocked.
He was out, like, just kept on the outside in those days.
unidentified
And he's never really been accepted as normal.
jordan holmes
I think what is fascinating about Tucker, and I think part of what explains it, is that he is somehow incredibly wealthy, incredibly famous, and incredibly respected, or whatever it is, but he's never succeeded at anything.
He's never himself done a thing that succeeded.
Everything that he's done fails.
dan friesen
Well, that's kind of not true, I think.
But everything that he has to do must burn the old thing.
You know, like when he got some sort of a mainstream foothold, it was by almost making a joke and burning his crossfire.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Jon Stewart made fun of him so badly with the bow tie that he had to essentially burn that down in order to have some sort of mainstream credibility.
And then, you know, you got his entire career being this neocon kind of persona.
There's a lot of the Iraq war defense and stuff like that.
In order to create this new persona that he has, he has to burn down the past thing that he created.
So there has been some success, but it's at the expense of himself.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, it's kind of a sense of like, or maybe fail isn't quite the right word that I'm looking for.
Maybe it's that nothing is his.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Nothing feels organic.
jordan holmes
Nothing is, everything is something that he took from somewhere else.
And because, oh, the bow tie didn't work, well, I'll do that.
Oh, that didn't work.
Or it worked for a while.
Well, now I'll do this.
And it's like, he's not a person.
dan friesen
Right.
I'm William F. Buckley.
Oh, wait.
No, I'm not.
unidentified
What do you want to celebrate about himself?
jordan holmes
You know, like, oh, I made this.
dan friesen
He interviewed Cat Turd.
jordan holmes
Right?
Like, he's the guy.
He's the guy who's supposed to be defending the people who make things.
Oh, these tables.
But he's never made anything.
He doesn't make things.
He just talks shit.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And he's rich.
dan friesen
Yeah, there's some truth to that.
But he interviewed Cat Turd.
jordan holmes
Cat Turd makes things.
Cat Turd is a more valuable member of society than Tucker Carlson is.
dan friesen
It's arguable.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Also, I was just flashing back to earlier.
He was like, you know, I like that interview.
It's just you and that person.
Yeah, there's no moderator.
And I'm just thinking about him and Putin.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's just you and Putin.
jordan holmes
Just you and Putin.
dan friesen
And the entire government hanging over you.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Little moderation.
dan friesen
Just in that room, no moderation.
jordan holmes
Just a little moderation.
dan friesen
So look, Tucker has a standard for whether or not you're in a dictatorship.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And he expresses it here.
jordan holmes
Okay.
tucker carlson
We really, I mean, this is a cliche, but it is because it's true.
We are really the only free country left.
We're the only country on the planet that guarantees free speech.
And if we allow them to lecture us like Tim Walz at Creep did the other day, well, you know, free speech is not absolute.
Well, actually, it is, Tim Walz.
And the definition of free speech is being able to call you a creep without being arrested.
And when you take that away from me, this is a dictatorship.
And I don't want my kids to live in a dictatorship, so I'm going to do whatever I can to oppose you.
dan friesen
Does he think that his right to call Tim Walz a creep is at jeopardy?
Does he think that this is a risk that we can't call Tim Walz a creep?
jordan holmes
I'm concerned.
dan friesen
This is stupid.
jordan holmes
I spend a lot of my time calling a large number of people creeps and various other things.
dan friesen
You can call people creeps if you want.
That's fine, man.
Are you okay?
Also, I think that free speech is not absolute.
I think even free speech absolutists would probably argue that it's not.
jordan holmes
Eventually, yeah.
dan friesen
Because you can't use speech.
There are criminal ways to use speech.
Extortion is just speech.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, there's no way that you're going to get to somebody who's like a free speech absolutist because there are three words, right?
And that's your issue.
Sooner or later, you're going to be like, well, now we have to redefine free.
Well, now we have to redefine speech.
Well, now we have to redefine all of that.
And there's just no point.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
This is just stupid.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's a waste of time.
dan friesen
It's stupid, the point that he's making.
And it's stupid to pretend like, oh, you can't call Tim Walz a creep.
Go for it, dude.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's like, it is so weird that they're all so obsessed with not being able to say things.
And it's like, the only things you're not allowed to say are the horrifying shit that is deep within your heart that you're not dealing with.
dan friesen
It does feel a little high school angsty.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that's why this is.
jordan holmes
Now you need a song.
dan friesen
That's why this next clip really felt at home.
tucker carlson
And I think we misunderstand why people become partisan Democrats.
We know why they become conservatives.
I want to think for myself.
I believe in the autonomy of the individual up against the group.
And that's why I knew what I'm talking about.
Dignity created by God.
Can't be taken away.
Inalienable rights.
I mean, those are the core beliefs of people on our side.
The core beliefs of the people on the other side aren't really beliefs.
They're impulses that derive from fear.
And the core fear is I'm alone and powerless in this world.
I need protection from a group I'm going to join.
There is safety and numbers.
That's the reigning impulse on the Democratic side.
Let's all get together and together we are stronger than we are alone.
They fear being alone.
These are people who sleep with the TV on.
These are people who are just terrified.
They're people who are on SSRIs and benzodiazepines.
I mean, this is all shown.
I mean, they're heavily medicated and neurotic because they're afraid.
They don't believe in God, so they're terrified of death.
They have no skills, so they're terrified of change.
I mean, they've created an entire fake economy to elevate and compensate people who can't do anything useful.
We live in a world where people who come to your house don't get paid anything relative to somebody who has no skills at all, who is working in the DEI department of a community college, right?
So the whole enterprise is designed to take fearful people who believe themselves to be powerless, who have no useful skills, and make them feel safe and appreciated.
That's the whole everyone gets a trophy thing that we used to make fun of, but it's actually very deep.
And if I can just recommend to your listeners, probably the only four listening who haven't already read it, but Ted Kaczynski's original manifesto.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
tucker carlson
I'm not endorsing mailboxes of hate, by the way, or violence, which is.
alex jones
But he did nail.
jordan holmes
Oh, for God's sakes, we're doing it.
tucker carlson
He nailed what was going to happen with technology, but he also, more than anything, described the leftist worldview, this helpless, alone, afraid, you know, anxiety-ridden, terrified child in an adult body that is the average leftist.
That's the mindset that drives their behavior.
And no one described it as well as Ted Kaczynski.
alex jones
Okay, man.
dan friesen
Okay, cool.
unidentified
Cool.
dan friesen
We got Tucker Carlson being interviewed on Alex Jones.
He's extolling the virtues of Ted Kaczynski's manifesto.
jordan holmes
Am I nine again?
What is happening?
dan friesen
This is great.
jordan holmes
What is fucking happening?
dan friesen
I believe demons walk among us, and also Ted Kaczynski really nailed my enemies.
jordan holmes
All right.
Fine.
Woo.
That's such a great conversation ender.
You know, like, well, you know, you haven't read all of it.
Nah, nah, we're done.
Get out of here.
dan friesen
Hey, I'm going to do this live show where I'm talking to Kid Rock about Ted Kaczynski's manifesto.
jordan holmes
Ted Kid Rockzinsky.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
This sucks.
Damn.
Jesus Christ.
It's almost like a record scratch kind of moment.
jordan holmes
It's beyond.
It's so unfortunate because it's like if I was writing that, I would be furious that I couldn't use it.
dan friesen
It would be a little hacky.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'd be like, oh, this is trash.
Oh, I'm really going to use a Unabomber reference.
That's really what you're doing in 2024, Jordan.
dan friesen
Good job.
jordan holmes
Good job.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Good job, Tucker.
jordan holmes
And here we are.
dan friesen
So Alex also doesn't want to dwell on this too much because it's the fucking Unabomber.
And so he asks, like, hey, man, what would have happened if Trump had gotten killed?
And so they shift topics.
alex jones
You follow the trajectory and you are actually good at predictions.
You are smart.
So don't, so don't, don't, don't, you know, play yourself down here.
People really want to hear what you have to say.
What would have happened, God forbid, if they'd have blown his head off in Butler?
And then tie it into your statements if you can elaborate on the political realignment that we're clearly seeing globally right now.
tucker carlson
Gosh, I mean, well, that would have been the national crisis.
I mean, keep in mind that took place at a moment where they were still planning on running Biden and the numbers were bad.
And so killing Trump was the national crisis I referred to that they will always resort to out of desperation if they think they're going to lose power.
And that would have been a crisis.
I mean, first of all, it would have resulted in the death of an innocent of a man, okay, which is always a tragedy no matter what happens.
dan friesen
Sorry, but it did.
tucker carlson
But the trauma to the country was watching a man get shot.
I mean, the great thing about the Zapruder film is you really have to watch carefully to see the gore in it to watch the top of the president's head come off.
But Trump was being shot in HD.
Close up.
If he'd been shot in the face, that would have been the single ugliest, goriest, most horrifying thing, you know, 300 million people had ever seen.
And that's just bad.
That's just bad right there.
It's pornography on a moral level, okay?
It'd be a snuff film.
It would be a snuff film.
And watching that stuff is bad for you.
Actually, it damages you, in my opinion.
I know that.
So that.
But then this sort of subsequent effect, the ripples out from that, the chaos, the people realizing, wait a second, they just murdered the only hope of the disenfranchised half of the country.
I mean, in the 2020 election, Biden voters owned 70% of the wealth in the United States.
Trump voters, 30%.
So really, this is an economic divide.
dan friesen
Tucker's using a misleading statistic there at the end.
He's taking this from a Brookings Institute study from 2020 that found the counties that ended up voting for Biden, quote, equal 70% of America's economy.
This is not the same thing as saying that Biden voters control 70% of the wealth in the country.
And Tucker knows damn well what the difference is.
He's been in this media game long enough.
Knowing he's misusing a fucking headline in a statistic.
I say less of this worrying about assassinations being aired on TV and more quoting the Unabomber.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Come on, man.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it is weird to think about like a full quarter of American presidents have been attempted assassinated, at least.
That's a high rate.
unidentified
Maybe we should think about what they do.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I think there's something about the job that maybe makes you more likely.
I'm just throwing that out there.
dan friesen
I think maybe you get a lot of attention.
You're the focus of a lot of people's strong political.
jordan holmes
I'm just saying that most jobs, I would almost argue like all jobs have a way lower than 25% attempted assassination.
dan friesen
But what percentage of jobs are called the leader of the free world?
You get a lot of attention, a lot of focus put on you.
jordan holmes
You know what?
You're not wrong.
dan friesen
A lot of blame for a lot of things.
jordan holmes
You're not wrong.
dan friesen
Now, I'm going to come to Tucker Carlson's aid and say, I agree.
Showing a murder on TV is bad.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that would have been rough.
dan friesen
That would have had a negative effect on public psyche, and I agree with that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't think many people ever got over the Challenger disaster.
dan friesen
People talk about that being a decent.
jordan holmes
I'm talking about it, and I was not alive.
dan friesen
Yeah.
See, I do agree that someone being shot on TV is bad.
But technically, we did kind of see that, even though the guy who got shot and died wasn't close up or anything.
It just kind of ignores that.
jordan holmes
Who knows?
dan friesen
Anyway, this idea that he has where it's like half of the country would have seen their only hope be killed.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's no good.
tucker carlson
No.
dan friesen
It's really, really sad.
tucker carlson
You would have 100 and whatever million people who have no nothing.
They have nothing.
They have no political power.
They have no economic power.
The only thing they have is Trump.
And now Trump's been murdered.
I mean, I don't know.
I don't know what would have happened then, but it would have been.
I do.
It would have been a turning point in the an abrupt turning point in the life of the country.
You would have unleashed chaos.
Who would do something like that?
By the way, who would unleash chaos on a country?
Like, how evil would you have to be to even consider doing something?
alex jones
I was about to say that shows deserts.
You'd almost have me crazy when we started a war with Russia.
It just shows how reckless they are.
tucker carlson
But reckless and callous and evil.
dan friesen
So it's just really like, I have a lot of less than complimentary views, let's say, of Trump fans.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And I think it's insulting to say, like, without him, they don't have anything.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think he has a more negative view of Trump's base than I do.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, absolutely.
dan friesen
It's really, really fucking sad.
jordan holmes
Well, they have to hate them because that's the only way you can get away with lying to people like this.
dan friesen
The only way we can abusively sell them a hearing aid that you don't have to do is to do that.
jordan holmes
I mean, right?
Don't you have to just have a general distaste for humanity if you're willing to lie the way that Tucker does?
I suspect.
There's no expression of love that is like what Tucker does.
There's no way to express a generalized love for your fellow man through any of the things that Tucker has ever done.
dan friesen
No, no.
And that's why his smile is angry.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah, it must be like there is, but maybe he's the most alone human being that's ever been created.
dan friesen
I mean, how could you not be?
jordan holmes
Him and RFK are the only two people who have ever been so alone.
dan friesen
I mean, it's a choice to be a young up-and-comer and wear a bow tie.
I think you're courting your own loneliness.
Yeah, there is to a deep, deep hole, a bow tie-shaped hole in your soul.
jordan holmes
I genuinely, like, the more I encounter it, the more I truly believe that to grow up rich is child abuse.
Like, it is a genuinely awful thing to do to a child.
And then to have them grow up thinking that that's a good thing is even worse.
And that leads to where we are.
dan friesen
I agree with some of the baseline thoughts that you're coming at this from.
But I think the problem is, you know, like growing up in poverty could also be described as child abuse.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
So you got to find that medium.
Where is it ethically right to have a child?
jordan holmes
I think the point that we're making is capitalism is not going to be the good answer in this final tally.
dan friesen
Probably not.
Tucker likes it, though.
So he seems to have really reached the conclusion that they, the globalists, or whoever, Biden, all of them, tried to kill Trump.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And that's fine for Alex.
unidentified
That's silly for Tucker.
Yeah.
tucker carlson
They allowed him to be shot.
That's just a fact.
The Biden administration in charge of his bodyguards allowed him to be shot.
You say, well, they didn't know that that was what is going to happen.
They weren't coordinating with the shooter.
Okay, I'm willing to believe that.
It doesn't change the fact that they allowed it.
And in other words, if I let my toddler play by my swimming pool and go to Walmart for an hour and he drowns, I didn't drown him, but I allowed him to be drowned.
It's the same crime.
alex jones
Exactly.
tucker carlson
So that's what they did.
dan friesen
This sounds to me like a guy who loves individualism and personal responsibility.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Biden is abstractly to blame for some dude shooting at Trump because he didn't stop it.
Do you think that maybe there's a salient difference between the Secret Service and Trump and you and your baby with the pool?
If Tucker doesn't understand the difference here, what he's suggesting about moral culpability is staggering.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is nuts.
jordan holmes
I mean, what's even crazier about it to me is like the more you study these types of events, that kind of thing, honestly, if there are 100 people out there with the intent to assassinate the president and do not care if they live or die, that president is going to die.
It doesn't matter what this the Secret Service can only do so much.
They can only do so much.
It's more of a deterrent for people who don't want to then face the consequences of stuff.
Right.
For people, if you just walk people towards, I mean, it's just chaos.
dan friesen
And we've talked about this too.
A lot of the times, you don't hear about someone maybe getting arrested with a gun at some place they shouldn't be at where the president or former president was because that's not the kind of stuff that's great for the news.
tucker carlson
Yep.
dan friesen
You know, they keep a fair amount of threats to the president's life.
jordan holmes
It's a wise thing to keep it close.
dan friesen
And so you hear about things like this and maybe They stop a bunch of them before there's one to the level of Butler.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
But I mean, the thing about the Butler one is that it's from a distance.
You know, like if you're going to measure that, Reagan was right up close.
Andrew Jackson had two guns jam on him.
Two guns jam face to face.
And that's why you never try and assassinate the president in the South.
Or on a hot day.
dan friesen
Because of the humidity.
jordan holmes
Because of the humidity.
dan friesen
Right.
That makes sense.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I just think.
I think that there's something incredibly dumb about the way that Tucker is approaching things.
And if you extrapolate his logic out from the blame that he's assigning, I don't understand how you could justify anything.
jordan holmes
Or not.
You know, like, what isn't okay?
Well, I mean, none of it's your fault.
dan friesen
Can you make guns?
Are you allowed to manufacture guns?
Like, you know that someone irresponsibly handling that gun could kill somebody.
Sure.
So you got to watch over everybody who has one of those guns if you're a gun manufacturer, right?
To not do that is like leaving a kid by a pool.
jordan holmes
I remember getting high and watching commercials where if you get high and you leave a kid by the pool, you're in trouble.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's like an egg.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So look, I just think this is dumb.
I think that Tucker should, I feel like he wants to be taken more seriously than this, and his actions don't deserve it.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I don't know, though.
Like, because he's not even allowed in the, or not allowed, but he's not in the real world anymore, right?
dan friesen
No, but I think that he believes, and I hope erroneously, that he'll be allowed back if he burns this past in order to create whatever the next future is.
jordan holmes
It'd be hard.
dan friesen
He could try to pull that Glenn Beck move or something by disowning all of this.
But I hope that that's not the case.
I hope he can't do that.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah, the unfortunate part is that the roadmap exists and ADA is almost always successful.
dan friesen
Right.
Yeah.
So bad luck, bad luck, Tucker.
jordan holmes
Bad luck.
dan friesen
So we have one last clip, and I think that this is really, you know, Tucker just is a cynical fuck.
tucker carlson
Yeah.
It's like so many things in politics.
Like, everyone in politics is lying on some level.
They're all creepy.
I got it.
They're all falling short of expectations.
None of them is much of an idealist.
They're all kind of cynical.
But the ones who do what you want them to do, like take the win.
You know what I mean?
Just take the win.
It's good.
And you're always people like, oh, Elon is not as committed to free speech as I am.
Well, that's true.
He's not as committed to free speech as I am, but I don't own anything.
I'm just a yaper on the tube.
He's done more for free speech than anybody in my lifetime.
So let's just take the win.
You know what I mean?
alex jones
Don't look at gift horse in the mouth.
Enclose him and gracious with the time.
Tucker Carlson.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, this is not fine when there's demons.
You know what I mean?
You can't be like, hey, I have a cynical analysis of good enough whenever everything is based on truth, and everything is supposed to be so based on the importance of virtue.
And you can't have that, like, don't look a gift horse in the mouth kind of mentality.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
But I mean, more to the point, if the fight is between good and evil, you can't take the W because there isn't one.
The fight is still going on.
You didn't win.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
That's just another part of the fight.
And if you feel like you won and the fight's still going on, there's a good chance that you actually lost.
Because if you'd won, the fight would not be going on anymore.
dan friesen
You understand?
jordan holmes
Because the evil one is the one that wants to keep fighting forever because that's what they do.
I guess.
I have no idea.
dan friesen
And is Elon Musk really doing much for free speech?
That's a question that I think is worth analyzing for Tucker.
I think that he has definitely allowed a lot of distasteful speech to become more prevalent.
Sure.
Is that a function of increased free speech?
I don't know if that's true.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
On actual free speech issues that are really important.
Elon Musk doesn't seem like he's really that much better and may even be worse than previous incarnations of Twitter.
He is more.
If your sort of barometer for free speech is how well does my bigot nonsense profit, like how easily can I disseminate this shit?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Then he's great for your bottom line.
Right.
But if it's actually about free speech, then you need to recognize that you're using free speech as that proxy for your marketability.
jordan holmes
Didn't he ban cisgender?
dan friesen
No, well.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Okay, never mind.
My bad, my bad.
It's complicated.
dan friesen
It's complicated, man.
But that's the thing.
That's the thing.
Like, that's what you really come down to.
No, you don't believe that Operation Warp Speed killed all these fucking people.
That's your brand.
You don't actually believe that Elon Musk is fighting for free speech.
That's your brand.
You don't believe any of this.
You don't believe you're fighting the fucking devil.
That's your brand.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I don't know.
It's exhausting.
And it's embarrassing because Tucker wants to be more than this.
You can tell.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex maybe is right at home with this.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Profiting off living in the sewer basically is kind of Alex's milieu.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you know, like the more I think about this, the more I think Tucker's description of Democrats is oftentimes him telling on himself.
Oh, that kind of idea of like, these people just want safety and they just want to be part of a group is so much like, yes, that's why you do all of this shit is because you want this group of people to love you.
Right.
That's you, man.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And I think that there's a certain amount of that desire to belong and shit like that that is.
jordan holmes
They all do that.
No, everybody.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
There's no political side.
That's why he's so crazy is because he thinks that that's yeah, right.
Do you know what I mean?
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it's Tucker's failing to grasp that that desire to have the group is good.
Well, but all of that does not have to be based in fear.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It can be based in love.
jordan holmes
It's awesome.
dan friesen
It can be based in concern and desire to see other people and everyone live as happily as possible.
That's not based in fear all the time.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
But it has to be if you read the fucking Unabomber and you're like, this is heavy.
This is deep stuff about my enemies.
jordan holmes
Yeah, to read the Unabomber manifesto as Tucker Carlson, that would fuck with your head.
There's no way to lionize the Unabomber and be Tucker Carlson without losing your mind.
dan friesen
Well, he's trying.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
That's a good point.
dan friesen
And it's not working well, and apparently tickets aren't selling that great.
So I guess this is a plug for Alex's appearance on Tucker's live show.
That's a lady of the show.
She certainly does all of those.
jordan holmes
I don't think our audience is rushing to the game.
dan friesen
Don't go as a bit.
jordan holmes
Do not be funny.
No, it won't be funny, and you'll hate yourself.
unidentified
Anyway, we might go as a bit.
jordan holmes
That's because it would be a bit.
dan friesen
We're not.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
I'm putting the axe down.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Oh, well.
We'll be back, though, for another episode.
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
Indeed, we do.
It's KnowledgeFight.com.
alex jones
Yep.
dan friesen
We'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Scarc.
I am the mysterious professor.
And now here comes the sex robot.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
andy in kansas
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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