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Aug. 26, 2024 - Knowledge Fight
01:36:51
#958: More Like Jimmy Bore, Revisited

Jimmy Dore’s Rumble Time revisits Alex Jones’ 2017 "Jimmy Bore" riff, now repackaged with weak jokes like mocking Nancy Pelosi’s post-Biden death quips and Chicago crime stats, despite mixed data. Jones pivots to Biden’s Las Vegas "medical emergency," falsely claiming Democratic sabotage, while Dore’s audience clings to Trump over Harris—despite his corporate ties—fearing establishment politics. Jones defends Trump as an outsider but dodges specifics, like healthcare or pardons, instead framing Democrats as puppets. Border security rants reveal his anti-immigrant hypocrisy, ignoring surveillance fears he once exploited. The episode exposes Dore’s show as a hollow mix of recycled grievances and Jones’ opportunistic, inconsistent conspiracy peddling, proving neither humor nor substance remain. [Automatically generated summary]

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alex jones
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dan friesen
51:03
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jimmy dore
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jordan holmes
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Speaker Time Text
unidentified
Dan and Jordan, I am sweating.
alex jones
Knowledgeparty.com.
It's time to pray.
unidentified
I have great respect for the knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys.
Shang me are the bad guys.
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
I need money.
unidentified
Rattler.
Andy and Pansy.
Andy and Pandy.
alex jones
Stop it.
Andy and Pansy.
unidentified
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the airplane for holding us.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a fishpin color.
We're here today.
alex jones
I love your room.
unidentified
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledgefight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back, Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dad.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes.
Like to sit around, worship at the altar of Celine, and talk a little bit about Alex Joe.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are.
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today, buddy?
dan friesen
Why don't you go first?
jordan holmes
Oh, well, my bright spot, Dan, is gonna, it was going to be tennis because the U.S. Open starts tomorrow.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Or today when you're listening to this.
dan friesen
So much tennis.
jordan holmes
It's so much.
It's such great.
dan friesen
It's the last major Olympics.
jordan holmes
This year it's going to be great.
Yeah.
But I haven't spoken at all this year, I think, about Shohei Otani.
Sure.
And the man, the man is a god.
He is not a man.
He is.
dan friesen
At baseball.
jordan holmes
He's transcended.
I mean, there's no words anymore for anything that's ever happened in a sport that is like this.
This has never happened.
It can't happen.
What just can't happen?
dan friesen
What's going on with that translator?
I haven't kept up with that story.
jordan holmes
Oh, I believe he's just in jail now.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
I believe he's just in regular old prison.
dan friesen
Sweet.
jordan holmes
Just doing all the whoops.
You had a serious gambling addiction and you ruined your life.
dan friesen
And it wasn't Otani's fault?
jordan holmes
No, of course not.
No.
dan friesen
Good.
jordan holmes
That is so funny.
dan friesen
He navigated that scandal.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's just, and that's another part of it.
It's like, he's the only person who is like, yeah, he's too busy hitting a ball.
dan friesen
And throwing it.
jordan holmes
And throwing it.
But now, here's the thing, right?
Can't throw the ball.
dan friesen
Oh.
jordan holmes
He can't throw the ball this year.
dan friesen
He's not a pitcher at this time.
jordan holmes
He's not a pitcher this year.
He's just a designated hitter.
All he does is go up to bat and then hit.
And he is going to probably win the National League MVP because he's the most valuable player who's only doing one thing.
And he's also the best at the other thing that he does.
But he's just doing this thing this year.
And he's still going to win the MVP without doing that other thing.
dan friesen
I mean, it's pretty remarkable.
jordan holmes
He's doing things.
dan friesen
He's good at the thing.
jordan holmes
He's doing.
So he just reached 40 home runs and 40 stolen bases.
And that is for the best pitcher in the league.
40 home runs and 40 stolen bases.
dan friesen
Quite a few.
Quite a few.
jordan holmes
And he's going to probably end the year maybe 50-50.
The only baseball player in history ever to do that.
dan friesen
So is he on the juice?
Are people suspecting this?
jordan holmes
Nope.
Nope.
He is, and I mean this, quite possibly the devil.
Because if I was the devil, I would have gotten sick of all this sin and backroom deals and all that shit.
I would have been like, hey, I sold that guy's soul and now he's really good at the guitar.
What if I just played baseball?
dan friesen
I tried to get into fiddle contests for a bit.
Yeah, it didn't work out.
jordan holmes
I did the whole thing, but trying to find myself.
Individual sport.
dan friesen
As long as you're a designated hitter or a pitcher.
jordan holmes
See, that's what I'm saying.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's a team sport in other contexts.
jordan holmes
All other contexts except for the ones that the devil would be interested in.
dan friesen
And he would play in L.A. He's in L.A., right?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
He was in LA for the Angels, and then he's in the LA for the Dodgers.
Of course, the devil lives in L.A. Right.
It all makes sense.
I think he is the devil.
Okay.
Yep.
dan friesen
I'll buy it.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot?
dan friesen
I don't watch a lot of baseball, so I'll accept your premise.
jordan holmes
To sum up, my bright spot is that the devil plays baseball.
What's your bright spot?
dan friesen
Andy's your favorite player.
So, my bright spot, as promised, it's time to talk about the challenge.
jordan holmes
Hell yeah.
dan friesen
Now that you have watched last week's episode, spoiler alerts for it.
unidentified
Oh my god.
dan friesen
What an episode.
jordan holmes
So great.
dan friesen
A lot of shit going on.
Yep.
I don't know.
I don't know if I actually want this to be my bright spot, but I enjoyed it.
jordan holmes
It was just a great idea.
dan friesen
We didn't get to talk about it.
And we teased it at the beginning of the last episode.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's just.
dan friesen
Sad to see Leroy go first.
jordan holmes
I saw that coming a mile away.
Leroy's actually not good at things.
I think he's a very attractive man.
Well-built.
Got all those muscles and stuff.
dan friesen
Seems like he's got a great personality.
He's such an awesome dude.
Yeah, he's a great character on the show.
jordan holmes
Great father, I'm sure.
All of that stuff.
Not very coordinated.
Just not a hand-eye coordination guy.
dan friesen
I believe that some of my preseason picks that I was enjoying and interested in seeing how they played out included Leroy and Naris.
So they're both gone.
jordan holmes
They're both gone immediately.
dan friesen
I have to rethink everything about how I'm approaching this season.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I miss Ed from Philly.
jordan holmes
Totally.
I get you.
dan friesen
Ed is great.
jordan holmes
Ed is great.
It's good that Norris is gone, as much as I love Norris, but I think, or it would have been good if Horacio was gone.
The two of them together on the show.
Not good.
dan friesen
You weren't interested in seeing a love story blossom.
jordan holmes
I'm sick of there making out all the goddamn tithes.
dan friesen
They're free of each other talking about babies, and now one of them can be a challenge monster and destroy everybody.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And the other one can cheat like they're going to do, so they don't have to worry about it later on in two years whenever they've, you know.
They're a challenge relationship.
Cheat.
dan friesen
So we got all the classics.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
We got a pole wrestle.
We got a hall brawl.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
That was one of the more embarrassing hall brawls in the history of hall brawls.
What was happening when Olivia just decided to go back?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
That was crazy.
dan friesen
But I was watching it and I was thinking to myself.
So the hall brawl, for those who have not watched the challenge, is a hallway, an artificially created hallway where you're supposed to run at each other, and then one person comes out the other side and hits a bell and you get a point.
Yep.
unidentified
Do you think they practice this?
dan friesen
Because it's a classic game on the challenge.
jordan holmes
That's a good question.
dan friesen
Do you think at home or at their gym, they have a hall where they run down it?
jordan holmes
I want to ask you this question.
All right.
Do you think they practice any of these games?
You know, like, because American Ninja Warrior people build the whole course in their backyards and stuff.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And now, like, on Survivor, it's becoming more common for people to 3D print the types of puzzles they use.
jordan holmes
Crazy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, like, do you have a fake hallway and you get used to running down?
Because I think that it's, I think it's hard to run into somebody in a hallway.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And I think it's also just hard to run down a hallway.
Sure.
You're not used to going that much of a straight line and gathering momentum.
I think it would be tough.
I think they must practice.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, I mean, I remember because I played football when I was in the being a child years.
And yeah, that was just like a regular thing that we did as a drill.
Just run at each other and hit each other.
And that's why my neck is great.
dan friesen
But not in a hallway.
jordan holmes
No, not in a hallway.
Although it was in some ways a mental hallway.
dan friesen
Sure.
I mean, you had the sled that you'd like run into.
unidentified
Sure, sure.
jordan holmes
But this was for another person.
dan friesen
You don't have a hallway.
jordan holmes
No, nope.
dan friesen
Anyway, excited for this season and what it may hold.
Yeah.
So I'm not excited about this episode.
Great.
I made a big mistake.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
What did we do?
Do you mean starting the show?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Because we're years late on that one.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's too late for that.
But what I have prepared for us today, it is a mistake.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
Jimmy Dore had Alex.
jordan holmes
Oh, God damn it.
dan friesen
Anyway, we'll talk about that.
But before we do, let's say hello to some new wonks.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
So first, I'm Rusty.
I'm Audrey.
I'm DZX Clark W. Griswold.
Thank you so much, Uranio, Palsy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Hey, next, Alex B. Thank you so much.
You're an Iowa Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you very much.
Thank you.
Next, Dan Levin.
Thank you so much.
You're an Iowa Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
And Clyde the Wild Ride.
Thank you so much, Uranio Palziwonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
unidentified
Thank you.
dan friesen
And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan.
So thank you so much to DrewMoney420 says, happy birthday, Jimbo.
Hope you stay sick as hell on account of that woke mind virus.
Thank you so much.
You're an IO technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars.
alex jones
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
Someone, sodomite, sent me a bucket of poop.
Daddy Sharp.
Bomb, Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser, little, little kitty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much.
dan friesen
So Jimmy Dore was, we've talked about him a little bit in the past.
Alex was on his show, and it was embarrassing and a disaster.
And he was in town in Chicago for the DNC.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And he did a live show.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
Yeah, he did a live show.
And it was called the, what is it, Rumble Time with Jimmy?
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
Because it's on Rumble.
And his first guest was Alex.
jordan holmes
He used to be a comic, you know?
dan friesen
He was.
jordan holmes
He used to just do stand-up comedy.
dan friesen
We're going to get some good comedy on this.
jordan holmes
I disagree.
dan friesen
We are.
This is hilarity.
I was not really prepared for what I saw.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think I might give him and his world a little more credit than they deserve.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that probably sounds right.
dan friesen
I think it's a bit more overtly just using right-wing talking points than I realize.
It's pandery in a way that I thought maybe he, because I don't watch a ton of his shows.
Sure.
I thought maybe he was above that a little bit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But nah, I don't think so.
So the panel is Jimmy.
He's hosting.
Steph Zamborano, the miserable liberal, as she calls herself.
Ross Dobular, who I have no idea who is.
jordan holmes
I've never heard of that.
dan friesen
Mike McRae.
I have no idea who that is.
But one of them is an impressionist.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I know that.
unidentified
But you'll never know which one because we don't have the vision of the impression of the other.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
They could be one guy.
dan friesen
And then there's Kurt Metzger, of course.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Comedian Kurt Metzger, who Jimmy introduces as Kurt Mexican, and he's wearing a LGBT CIA shirt.
Which was my first, like, okay, this is a rich boy.
This is no good.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
T-shirt-based humor should just disappear.
dan friesen
If it's a good joke, I'll give it a pass.
But this is a message.
jordan holmes
In real life, perhaps.
But on a stage, you're making the choice to inflict that upon others.
And I find it disgusting.
dan friesen
So, yeah, his show, it's at live, Chicago.
And it's interesting because this title, Rumble Time with Jimmy Dore, it would suggest that maybe this is going to be a rumble.
Like, he's going to specifically have guests on that he would have a fight with, and that's where the entertainment's going to come from.
But he gets along great with Alex.
They've been on each other's show, and Jimmy's such a dopey idiot that he just lets Alex lie to his face regularly.
Doesn't matter.
The name Rumble Time is not actually about fighting or conflict or ideas or anything.
It's promotion for the streaming platform Rumble, which I suspect he has some sort of a deal with.
I get that Rumble's supposed to be this like outsider platform and all that, but it still comes off kind of losery to name your show after it.
Like the NBC News Hour is named after NBC, and that's fine because it's the network that's running it.
But presumably, with Jimmy, the point is supposed to be that the network isn't running this show.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And yet it's called Rumble Time.
And this seems desperate.
This seems like desperate behavior.
It's like calling your show, your YouTube show, YouTube time.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, I was going to debut my new show.
I hope Elon Musk likes me time, but apparently that's a loser thing to do.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think some people have more or less called their shows that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think you're right.
dan friesen
So that's where we're at.
jordan holmes
We're at Rumble Time.
dan friesen
We're at Rumble Time.
And Alex is going to make an appearance.
unidentified
Okay.
jimmy dore
Okay, we're about 30 seconds away from starting.
unidentified
Should we just fuck it start or whatever?
jimmy dore
Oh, Alex Jones will be here in about 10 minutes.
unidentified
So.
jimmy dore
He's coming in on the Zoom.
He's coming in on the Zoom.
How's it going?
Mike Dude impression.
Hey, you were supposed to introduce me as Jeff Bridges.
unidentified
I was?
jimmy dore
Yeah.
unidentified
No one told me that.
jimmy dore
I forgot to tell you.
unidentified
Okay, we'll do a rambling introduction.
Oh!
You know this guy, man.
He's cool.
dan friesen
So Jeff Bridges was on that white dudes for Kamala Harris call, the fucker's in call.
So that's why they're making fun of him.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Because otherwise, I don't know why Jeff Bridges would be relevant.
jordan holmes
I no longer understand any references that these people make.
dan friesen
And I don't think that this guy has a good Joseph Gordon Levitt or Josh Gad who are also on those calls.
I don't know if he does a good impression of them.
But you got Jeff Bridges.
jordan holmes
He's the dude.
I mean, I bet he can't sing.
I strongly doubt this guy has the Gad voice.
dan friesen
I don't know a whole lot about Gad.
He does musicals.
jordan holmes
He's got a fucking diamond in those pipes.
All right.
dan friesen
Good to know.
Maybe I'll have to check out some of his movies.
jordan holmes
No, you'll be fine.
dan friesen
Okay.
So this is kind of like I get the instinct of like, hey, Alex will be here in 10 minutes.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But it feels like giving that to the crowd pretty early.
We've got this guy coming on who's exciting.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
It feels unconfident.
So we start off, and Jimmy's basically doing a little bit of like a monologue up top.
Sure.
He's doing some jokes.
jordan holmes
That makes sense.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's a live show.
jimmy dore
We are officially rumble timing, right?
We're on.
Okay.
unidentified
All right.
jimmy dore
We got a thumbs up from Roy.
Fantastic.
Hey, hello, Chicago.
Welcome to the first Rumble Time with Jimmy.
dan friesen
Crowd's hot.
jimmy dore
It's already a party.
We're having a great time.
We already talked to a guy with cancer.
And we're here in Chicago, where, according to Democrats, the violent crime is declining.
unidentified
Is it?
Really?
jimmy dore
We were supposed to have another guy on the panel, but he got shot on the way over.
dan friesen
So that's pretty classic late-night monologue structure for a joke.
You know, nothing wrong with that.
Nothing too edgy or ambitious, but it follows the way you introduce a concept, then negate it in a slightly unexpected way.
Saying someone on the panel couldn't make it because they got shot isn't the most unexpected twist, but at least it's the territory of how a comic would write a joke.
The goal of a monologue joke like this is to lampoon what's being passed off as a sincere message.
Like back when Domino's was saying, ah, we fucked up.
Our pizza's better now.
You might go on stage and say something like, They made their pizza better.
They say that, but I called and ordered a large pepperoni, and you know what showed up?
A medium pie, no pepperoni, but a live pelican.
You're creating a bizarre image to delight the audience.
And the point behind what you're saying is that they didn't make the pizza better.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
They're telling you they did, but it's a premise that you just blindly accept because of marketing.
In this case, though, the point Jimmy's trying to make is kind of not really true, which is that it's a lie, that crime is down in Chicago.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, no, it's down.
dan friesen
I'm not sure what Democrats Jimmy is citing who are saying that violent crime is down, but the reality of this is actually a pretty complicated question.
Data analyzed by the University of Chicago Crime Lab clearly shows that homicide is down year over year from 2021 to 22 to 23, and that non-fatal shootings have followed the same trajectory.
If you look at broader data from the Chicago Police Department statistics, you can see that there is an increase in aggravated batteries and theft, 10% and 6% respectively, at the time I'm preparing this episode.
And these represent challenges, but the rhetoric of there's crime everywhere is aimed at appealing to the law and order type policies, which have a long history of trending toward right-wing interests and initiatives that lead that direction.
We could look at the numbers and say that our approach to policing isn't necessarily working, and that's a fine position to hold.
But the big attack about Chicago is that everyone's getting shot and killed.
And Jimmy's joke is specifically that a member of the panel got shot, which is a crime that's down.
So the premise is flawed.
jordan holmes
I mean, you know, it's hard to write a good joke about people getting shot.
I suppose maybe if you were to punch up at like the cops doing what?
Like 25% of the shootings?
dan friesen
But I think that that is supposed to be underneath it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think that there is, I mean, obviously it's supposed to be a criticism of the system, not the people who are shooting people, I guess.
jordan holmes
I think it'd be funnier if he called them Democrips.
dan friesen
Sure.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Well, they do do a Jesse, if that's your impression a lot.
jordan holmes
Always funnier.
Always funnier to call them Democrips.
dan friesen
I think that you're supposed to understand this as a criticism of the system.
Sure.
But the whole like Chicago is dangerous and full of crime thing is a bit lazy.
And it's the framing of the joke is leading it in an intentional direction, and that is towards right-wing ideas about increased policing as opposed to different strategies and approaches towards policing that maybe would be more effective.
jordan holmes
I'm interested in that guy.
That guy who's really wanting to be the guy screaming, oh, is it that guy?
dan friesen
I wasn't sure.
That might have been Metzger.
I'm not sure.
jordan holmes
I was going to say.
dan friesen
So actual crime rates don't reflect how people feel about what crime rates are.
Consistently, studies have shown that people overestimate the amount of crime that happens, generally because the news reports crimes and doesn't report a crime not happening.
Our perceptions have an underlying bias towards assuming more crime, regardless of what's actually happening.
Jimmy is playing into reassuring that bias instead of challenging it, which I feel is antithetical to the image that you want to cultivate as a firebrand truth teller.
Sure.
And so I just feel like the construction of this is meant in a way to exacerbate the feelings that lead towards right-wing views of policing as opposed to the alternative.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Which I think you could tweak this joke in a way to make it work as a more anti-authority thing.
But I don't think it works.
jordan holmes
No.
No, but you know, it's like he's clearly got an audience that is already in on the joke.
And, you know, in ultimate, really, they're just in on the rhythm of his language.
Like, it could have been anything.
unidentified
Blah, da, da, But ha, ha, ha.
dan friesen
I think that they're more in on the right-winginess of it than I realized.
unidentified
Yeah, I think that's it.
dan friesen
I think hearing the audience respond the way they do to the things that Jimmy's saying, the things that Jimmy's saying made me realize, like, oh, there's a whole lot of just the same right-wing grievance kind of based shit.
So here he expands on this shooting.
unidentified
Okay.
jimmy dore
You know, the Secret Service is in town this week.
They have their work cut out for them this week because when a shooting starts, they have to figure out if it's an assassination attempt or just a robbery or a carjacking or a gang war or a migrant squatter.
dan friesen
So the inclusion of migrant squatter at the end of this list should tell you all you really need to know about how Jimmy is on board with the right-wing anti-immigrant hysteria.
Putting that as the tag at the end of this list is a choice that's right at home on Rumble.
Now, that list of crimes he mentions are assassination attempt, robbery, carjacking, gang war, and migrant squatter.
A migrant squatter isn't necessarily a crime, and robberies and carjackings don't necessarily include guns, but okay, we can work with this list.
I'm not sure how many gang wars there have been in the past year, since I don't think that's a statistic that's well kept.
But robbery and motor vehicle theft are actually two of the categories where the rates have gone down in 2024.
The last assassination attempt happened in rural Pennsylvania.
Two of these crime categories have gone down.
One is the plot of the Warriors, and the other is not a crime.
So, like, he's pandering.
This is pandering to the Rumble audience.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, because any bit about the Secret Service is going to have to wind up with counterfeiting.
Like, that's the joke of the Secret Service, is the inexplicability of them being tasked with protecting the president and also being like, hey, who's making fake money over here?
You know, like, that's where your bit goes.
Not like, because why would the Secret Service give a shit about a carjacking?
dan friesen
Well, I mean, in terms of the counterfeiting, it makes total sense.
Presidents are on money.
jordan holmes
Oh, that is a good point.
You got to protect the president at all costs.
Right.
dan friesen
It makes total sense.
I don't know why you're confused.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
dan friesen
But Jimmy's construction of the joke is stupid and kind of belies a little bit of...
jordan holmes
That's not funny.
That's not a good, that's not a funny joke construction.
It breaks the rule of threes.
The fifth tag is the worst one because it doesn't even make any sense.
And the audience clearly was trying to laugh after the fourth one.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, they started hot.
Yeah.
Like, you could hear at the beginning of the show.
The audience is on board and ready for everything.
So that response is probably a little bit lukewarm.
jordan holmes
On your second bit.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's not good.
dan friesen
So Nancy Pelosi, right?
jimmy dore
Sure.
dan friesen
Here's a bit about her.
jordan holmes
Shit on her desk.
Let's go.
jimmy dore
I don't know if this is true, but I heard if Biden wasn't going to drop out, that Nancy Pelosi threatened to 25th Amendment him, and she was going to switch out his doctors with Matthew Perry's doctors.
I don't know if you heard that.
unidentified
I started lubing up a hammer.
jimmy dore
Matthew Perry had a great life.
He packs a lot of fun into those, whatever, 35 years.
jordan holmes
What the fuck is happening?
dan friesen
35?
jimmy dore
He looked horrible.
I just thought he looked bad for his age.
dan friesen
That seems so mean for no reason.
jordan holmes
What in God's name is going on here?
dan friesen
Matthew Perry had a really public struggle with drug addiction through his career.
He was 54 years old when he died.
And the story that Jimmy is riffing on is how ketamine dealers exploited his addiction for profit and have been charged in his death recently.
Is Matthew Perry a shitlib?
Was he part of planning the war in Ukraine?
Like, I have no idea why he's getting this kind of shit, but I think Kurt's little riff there in the middle should tell you a little bit of something.
Like, he's talking about Nancy Pelosi's husband being attacked by a right-wing media-addicted idiot wielding a hammer.
Lou Bapta Hemer.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
Talking about Nancy Pelosi.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
That makes more sense.
Now I understood that part.
I was like, oh, okay.
All right.
dan friesen
So incidentally, that guy who attacked Nancy Pelosi's husband with a hammer is doing 30 years in prison for that assault and 20 years of a concurrent sentence for attempted kidnapping because that's what his plan was.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
He was sure that the 2020 election had been stolen, so he was going to kidnap Nancy Pelosi and hold her hostage to get the truth revealed.
From a KQED news article about that dude's trial, quote, he told the jury he came across most of his newfound political ideas after listening to mostly right-wing political YouTubers for entire weekends at a time and a minimum of six hours per day on weekdays, including James Lindsey, Jimmy Dore, and Glenn Beck.
If I were named in that trial as one of the radicalizing influences of the perpetrator, I think I might think it's a bit like a good idea to just keep it out of the riff catalog.
Let's not go with Nancy Pelosi hammer jokes.
jordan holmes
Man, this is wild because I don't know what funny is anymore.
Like, I haven't been on stage for, or well, you know, we've been on stage, but I haven't been on stage solo as a comic, you know, for a good four or five years, something like that.
And this is trash.
dan friesen
It's rough.
jordan holmes
I think people, I thought people were better.
I thought people were good.
dan friesen
I think that there's the.
No, I mean, look, so here's where I'll get defensive.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
Like, I am.
Nancy Pelosi is like, you got to step down or else we'll replace your doctors with Matthew Perry's doctors.
Sure.
That has the structure of a joke.
You know what I mean?
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It has the bare bones that you need to understand this is why he's making this joke.
This is what's behind it.
Where your mind's supposed to go.
I get it.
It's competent as a joke in that sense.
Sure.
It's not funny.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
It's mean.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he flounders with, like, I just think he looks like shit for his age.
This is what I'm saying.
He doesn't.
There's a shock value that I think he was hoping to get out of the like Matthew Perry's doctor reference.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's distasteful and kind of being a kick.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
And he got a little bit of that, but then didn't know where to go with it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, like, this, but it's what I'm saying is, like, just technical stuff and giving a fuck about what you're talking about.
Like, if you're going to do that bit, you know, like, oh, Nancy Pelosi threatened to use the 25th Amendment and she hired Matthew Perry's doctors, you know, like she's not telling him anything.
She's got that in her back pocket.
dan friesen
Why not?
jordan holmes
So it's that kind of thing.
dan friesen
Why not do like the threaten to use the 25th Amendment if he couldn't pass a test by Matthew Perry's doctor?
jordan holmes
Sure, something like that.
dan friesen
Maybe something where it's not like, because Matthew Perry becomes like a butt of this joke in a way that he's the victim of these doctors.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
It's mean.
jordan holmes
It's wild.
Because if you hire the doctors, then you're not saying like, oh, it's Matthew Perry's fault.
You're saying these are murder doctors.
Instead of like, and now we're going to switch him out for Matthew Perry.
That makes it sound like.
dan friesen
Yeah, it seems weird.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's fucking wrong, man.
dan friesen
So what about what do you think about Tim Walz?
unidentified
What do you think Jimmy wants to Tim Walz?
jordan holmes
Let's see what the worst bit of the world is.
dan friesen
Did you hear about this?
Did you hear he shook his wife's hand to hear this?
unidentified
Oh, God.
jimmy dore
Did you know that a lot of, did you see this?
So when Tim Walz was accepting his nomination to be vice president, he shook his wife's hand.
Now, I don't want to judge somebody, but even the male boxer from the Olympics was like, hey, something's off about that guy.
unidentified
Do you think he has two balls hidden above his vagina?
What?
jimmy dore
Even Kamala's Indian mother was saying, I could have arranged a better marriage than that.
dan friesen
So this is pretty shocking, not because it's like edgy or anything, but because of how thin the facade has become.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that is wild.
That's just.
dan friesen
Look at that joke.
What's happened in the real world is that Walls shook his wife's hand, which isn't an affectionate enough display for Door apparently.
jordan holmes
That's fine.
dan friesen
The angle he's taking is that Walls is maybe gay because he shook his wife's hand.
And then as the punchline, Jimmy signals to the transphobic hysteria that broke out in the right wing about the Algerian boxer Iman Khalif.
This isn't a pretense here.
Jimmy's just doing right-wing grievance comedy.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
His opening monologue is hitting all of the hot-button culture war issues that you might hear about on any of these right-wing shows or all over social media.
And I kind of struggle to see what makes this perspective any different.
Like, what is he doing that's any different?
jordan holmes
What I don't understand about it is because this is the thing that I've noticed with this concept of like right-wing comedy is like they just say the thing that was on Fox News, but then go, eh?
Like, that's it.
It's the same words with a different tone.
And people laugh because they're like, I remember hearing that from the Fox News guy, you know?
And it's, I don't understand where the bit is.
dan friesen
Well, I think so.
Kamala's mom is Indian and sometimes arranged marriages in Indian culture.
jordan holmes
That one's not terrible.
unidentified
That makes sense.
dan friesen
Kamala's mom could have arranged a better marriage between Tim Walz' wife and Tim Walz.
Sure.
Better partners for either of them because Tim Walz isn't affectionate enough because he shook her hand.
jordan holmes
See, but that part doesn't make it.
dan friesen
Maybe he's gay or a woman or something.
jordan holmes
I mean, because you can tighten it down.
You can be like, oh, they shook hands probably because they are cold and bad or something.
Kamala's mom could have arranged a better marriage.
That at least has the structure and it makes sense like that.
I have no idea where balls come in.
And again, it's just like, I'm saying the male boxer thing that you hear from the other places.
So you laugh as though that's the joke.
dan friesen
Yeah, it also just doesn't hit because he shook his wife's hand, but he also hugged her and kissed her.
And Mike Prince already was weird.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like he already did kind of the standoffish cold with his wife thing.
Like we already, like the last time around, there was already this.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
It just doesn't, it doesn't ring.
I don't hit.
jordan holmes
I think this is the thing that gets me is like, I might be a bad person because I will forgive a lot if the joke is good.
The lucky thing about that is that I just don't have to forgive the right wing.
They don't have good jokes.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
You can make up a lot if you if there's a fair amount of craft and it's just not it's not present.
jordan holmes
I've seen people be real pieces of shin in all different kinds of ways, but they were fucking funny, man.
They were fucking funny.
dan friesen
And this is not.
jordan holmes
This is not.
dan friesen
No.
So I realized at a certain point that what was going on was that Jimmy was doing his opening monologue and then he was sort of playing some clips from TikTok and complaining about them.
And I kind of thought like, isn't this what his show is?
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Why is it Rumble time?
jordan holmes
This is Rumble Time.
dan friesen
Episode one when this is just kind of the same thing as his show.
I don't know.
Anyway, the riff train is chugging along because they found a clip of a person who's a doctor on TikTok saying that it's not necessarily bad if you're overweight.
It's maybe not the most important thing for your health.
You can be healthy if you're overweight.
And guess what?
Not everybody has to be healthy.
It is not a moral failure of some kind if they're, you know, so anyway, they're all like, oh, live your fucking life.
They're very upset about this.
Sure.
And then I would say that the riff train goes a little bit off the tracks.
jordan holmes
Uh-oh.
jimmy dore
I think this doctor's making a killing off Ozempic.
That's what I think.
I think she's like, she's like a doctor who, I don't know.
unidentified
I don't know.
jimmy dore
Anyway.
unidentified
Was this before the Paris Summer Ozempics that we just had?
jimmy dore
think so are we not yet Okay.
He'll give me a flash when Alex is on.
Okay, Alex Jones is stiffing us right now.
We'll see what happens.
It's okay.
I have it coming.
I kind of stiffed him once.
Anyway.
dan friesen
Someone in the audience yells, we're here for you.
That made me very sad.
jordan holmes
That is sad.
That is sad.
dan friesen
Alex isn't on the Zoom when he's supposed to.
Rift train has totally derailed and come to a stop.
jordan holmes
Combined with the Nevermind and the Summer Ozempics.
dan friesen
It's a pun.
jordan holmes
That is tragic.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then the reassurance from the audience is nice, but it felt bad.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
I do not want reassurance from the audience because that means I need assurance from the audience.
That's the wrong need to have if you're on a stage.
It's a bad place to be.
dan friesen
I kind of, I agree.
But I kind of think it's sweet for that person.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, I see what you're saying.
dan friesen
But it's also indicative of things not being where they need to be.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Damning with faint praise doesn't do that justice.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So we get another TikTok clip that Jimmy's upset about.
Christ.
Another person on TikTok.
jordan holmes
I wish I was older, but somehow he's older than me and he's playing TikTok clips.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
Christ.
dan friesen
And so this clip has to do with a woman who wanted some money from another parent because they had a play date and there were expenses.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So this pisses Jimmy the fuck.
jimmy dore
Some people saw this already.
It sounds like some people saw this.
So she's going to talk about play dates with her kids.
And, well, buckle up.
unidentified
I didn't really normalize sending the other family money for play dates.
So recently, my daughter had a friend over, and I asked her mom for money, and this is how it went.
So after the play date, I texted her mom and I said, thanks for letting Jimmy play today.
Please help out with your share of the expenses for the play date, totaling $15 via VM mode.
Let's do it again sometime.
jimmy dore
So she wanted her friend to pay $15 because she hosted her kid at a play date.
And I don't know, can you imagine needing $15 this bad and not being addicted to crack?
dan friesen
Isn't Jimmy supposed to be really empathetic to the financial concerns of working people?
Isn't he supposed to understand that economic pressures are serious right now and people are struggling to get through?
Like, why is he specifically allotting time on his show to mock someone who's just saying that it would be nice if parents shared the expenses when their children hung out together?
It's pretty implied that she's also saying that she would happily send this other parent $15 if her kid went over there and there were some kind of expenses.
This really doesn't make sense as something that needs to be mocked.
It's just some person on TikTok, so who cares?
But even if you decide to care, the thing she's suggesting isn't that crazy.
Maybe you believe that the host should always take on all expenses.
That's a fine position to take.
And I would have no problem with Jimmy arguing that.
If he's like, it's your house, you pay for whatever when the kids come over.
But it's such a weird angle for him to be like, how bad do you need $15 unless you're on crack?
unidentified
Right?
jordan holmes
Like, what are you doing?
I have needed $15 so bad in so many different reasons and so many different times in my life.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I know this shit that he's doing now is pretty lucrative.
And so like, he's probably very disconnected from what that's like.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
But like, mocking the idea of it is pretty fucking antithetical to what he's supposed to believe.
jordan holmes
That is, that is fucking what I can't, like, I can't imagine not getting the idea that if somebody needs $15, that's a more important person than you.
dan friesen
I mean, it's just mean, too.
It's not like this person did anything to him.
It's just a random person from TikTok.
It's the same thing with the Matthew Perry thing.
It's like, this is mean.
Yeah, I don't know.
So I just, I think they go on to play more of this.
And there are some things that are kind of mockable about what she's claiming as expenses.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
So like she says a dollar for wear and tear on the couch, which is kind of bullshit.
But then there's other things that are like things that were consumed and stuff like that.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
And it makes sense why like you would want everyone to share expenses.
It makes sense.
It's not that weird.
The thing that's mockable is some of the specifics of the expenses.
But the premise itself is like, you would start going down this road and then be like, it's not worth it.
Whatever fun you can get out of like the wear and tear on the couch or whatever, that kind of idea, it's not worth the walk to get there.
Right.
Because in order to get there, you have to mock the premise of people needing $15.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
And they must be crackheads or else it's not okay to be poor.
It's just weird.
jordan holmes
Right.
I mean, I don't, yeah.
This is an unusual person with an unusual request.
That's why you're watching it in the first place.
You wouldn't be watching this TikTok.
This TikTok wouldn't have come to your attention if it were a usual person.
So that's already disqualifying towards you being like, why does this person?
No, this is a very specific person.
There's no need for you to generalize whatsoever.
But even still, if you are going to generalize, what makes generalizations funny is when you are specific.
That's how you get to that generalization without being just a dick who's like, hey, have you seen that this group of people does this?
You go like, ah, this is a person who has $1 worth of wear and tear on her couch.
What costs what for wear and tear?
What if I came on her couch?
How much does that cost me?
I'll give you about 20 bucks for that.
You know, that's it.
dan friesen
They do get to the JD Vance of it all.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Yeah, you get there eventually.
dan friesen
Yeah, and that is where there can be some fun, which is like line items on the exactly.
I think, yeah, like how much is wear and tear?
That's a kind of fine territory for a joke.
But in order to get there, you have to mock the premise of this person having a financial hardship.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And it's that, I don't know.
jordan holmes
No, it doesn't make sense.
It doesn't make sense.
dan friesen
No.
So anyway, something else that doesn't make a whole lot of sense is Andrew Cuomo.
They're complaining a lot about Andrew Cuomo.
Are we dead?
We get an impression in this clip.
unidentified
I do, Jimmy.
I remember that very well.
Ah, he was going to be the next president of the United States, but someone else had other plans.
jimmy dore
So he gave this speech, and this is one of the most pandering, unbelievable.
Well, I'll display it for you, and let's enjoy it.
unidentified
And that as a New Yorker, I am a Muslim.
And as a New Yorker, I am Jewish.
jimmy dore
And as a New Yorker, I am a refugee.
unidentified
And as a New Yorker, I am black.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
unidentified
Yeah.
Come on.
jimmy dore
You can't.
unidentified
You can't fucking say you're black.
jimmy dore
You cannot do that as a rich white guy of privilege your whole life.
The son of a governor.
I am black.
No, you can't say that.
dan friesen
He's a black refugee, Jimmy.
unidentified
It's different.
dan friesen
This is fun and all, but that was a speech that Cuomo gave in 2017.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
And it was at a press conference in response to Trump's attempt to bar people from seven Muslim-majority countries from coming to the United States.
That impression was fire, though.
jordan holmes
I mean, hey, listen, if these guys are ready, I am also ready to dust off that Monica Lewinsky material, buddy.
dan friesen
We're close.
jordan holmes
It's time.
dan friesen
We are quite close.
jordan holmes
30 years, about time to bring it back.
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
And the premise of this bit seems to be, oh, aren't the woke scolds going to be mad about this?
But you're imagining people being mad about it to be mad about.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's a fairly innocuous sentiment to express.
Like, if you're a New Yorker, then it transcends other stuff.
dan friesen
Right.
There's a connection that we have despite differences because we're New Yorkers.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
It's like that scene at Spider-Man.
jordan holmes
Yeah, totally.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It is so that.
He's just doing that.
Are you mad at Spider-Man?
dan friesen
No, he's mad at the imaginary people who are mad about this.
They won't let Cuomo say something like this.
jordan holmes
Fuck Cuomo.
I'm fine with that.
dan friesen
What are we doing?
Or the complaint is that it's pandery.
And maybe.
But it's also not.
And it's also from 2017.
unidentified
It's a fucking speech from a politician.
jordan holmes
What do you expect?
Hard-hitting facts?
dan friesen
Maybe.
I think it's just basically fodder for the riff train.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
dan friesen
Keep the riff train rolling.
jordan holmes
Awful.
unidentified
And as a New Yorker, I am poor.
jimmy dore
All right.
That's fair.
dan friesen
That is fair.
jimmy dore
As a New Yorker, I am a bullshitter.
dan friesen
Lucy, your money doesn't go a long way in New York.
I can tell you that.
unidentified
And as a New Yorker, I am homeless.
That's true also.
As a New Yorker, I am poor and homeless because my governor cut Medicaid funding right before a pandemic.
No, I'm homeless because I got kicked out of the governor's mansion.
And as a New Yorker, I am an elderly person that I killed.
jimmy dore
As a New Yorker, I stand on my yacht flipping off poor people.
unidentified
Fuck you!
dan friesen
So they really made a meal out of this seven-year-old Cuomo clip, which seems relevant.
But the larger issue I have is that Jimmy is so indignant there at the end about Cuomo mocking the poor from his yacht, but he just spent his own time on stage shitting on a random person on TikTok who suggested parents share the financial burdens of hosting play dates for their kids.
He's literally mocking the idea of not having $15 to spare as something that only makes sense if you're on crack.
He has no coherent position here.
It's all just bluster.
And sure, shooting on Cuomo is fun, and I have no interest in defending him, but Jimmy lacks a core here.
There's no point to this.
jordan holmes
There's no point of view.
dan friesen
They also seem to be mocking Cuomo from 2017 about decisions he made in 2020, which I guess is why it's important to pretend that this video is current and that's why you're upset about it.
i think it just maybe made the rounds on right-wing social media i just what are those riffs man is it y'all Y'all supposed to be funny.
jordan holmes
You're all supposed to have been doing this for a long time.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
I think there's just more anger, maybe.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's, I get it.
It's hard to be funny.
It's hard.
I'm not going to be funny because I'm terrible.
unidentified
But, I mean, this is just tragic.
dan friesen
There's some problems.
Thankfully, business picks up about an hour in.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God, an hour in.
Alex was supposed to be there in 10 minutes.
dan friesen
I know, but he shows up about an hour in.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And so Jimmy kisses his ass a little bit more.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
jimmy dore
Well, ladies and gentlemen, we've come to that magical moment where our guest has arrived and everybody's excited, I'm sure.
The most censored man in all of social media.
The man who is a, he is like Crescent in a soothsayer.
Everything he says at some point comes true.
He's about 10 and a half million times more accurate than CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, and New York Times.
Let's hear it for the one and the only.
unidentified
Alex Jones is here, ladies and gentlemen.
Can you see me?
alex jones
Can you see me, brother?
Well, I want to be on with you.
jimmy dore
Alex, can you turn on your video?
Do you know how to do it?
alex jones
You know, I've been trying to connect for a while, but I'm too stupid.
You know, like you say, I make all the predictions, but I can't.
You can't see me do that.
I've been trying to do it here for about 10 minutes.
Sorry, I'm late.
jimmy dore
Can you turn Alex on the monitor?
Because I can't hear him.
Can you turn it on?
unidentified
All right.
My bad.
You got me.
I missed on.
My bad.
All right.
All right.
There he is.
alex jones
What a build-up you gave me.
unidentified
Come in here.
dan friesen
Yeah, so we got Rex for a second, and then Alex is sort of choppy cutting in and out, but he's there.
They got him.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
They got him.
The soothsayer.
jordan holmes
I think being on a screen on stage is my nightmare.
You know?
Like that combination of being trapped in a weird little room by yourself and the pressure of trying to make a large group of people laugh who you will then not receive the laughs from.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's awful.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's awful.
dan friesen
Yeah, but apparently Alex spent all his travel budget on going to California to pretend to cover Bohemian Grove, so he couldn't come to Chicago for the DMC.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there is that.
dan friesen
So, yeah, that's nightmarish.
I agree with you.
And also, I don't know how to deal with the way that Jimmy's introducing him.
Like, is that a joke?
jordan holmes
What is Rumble Time?
unidentified
I don't know.
dan friesen
Is the joke supposed to be that Alex is like, we're saying he's 10 million times more right than all of these other places because you're supposed to understand that he's not.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But I don't think that's the case.
jordan holmes
No, I mean, hyperbole is generally, I like to engage in hyperbole in order to demonstrate the opposite of something being true.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Right.
Otherwise, I would just say an accurate thing.
Otherwise, you know, it's a waste of everybody's time.
dan friesen
In this case, I think it's hyperbole meant to just be like, you're supposed to believe he's ten times more accurate than the...
Right.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
It's strange.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
dan friesen
So here's where we start with their little interview session.
jimmy dore
Okay.
I wanted to ask, I wanted to get your take.
You know, I just saw the new release body cam from Trump's assassination attempt.
And did you see that where the one police officer was saying, aren't we all on the same frequency?
I warned you there was a guy up here.
How come nobody did anything?
Let me just get your take on all that.
What do you think actually happened at Trump's assassination?
alex jones
Well, it was 100% a total standdown on record.
We know that now.
You have all these coincidences lining up like this.
You've had the deep state openly saying they want to kill Trump.
And, you know, the fact is, their patch has failed.
So they are just in complete and absolute total panic mode right now and just don't know what to do.
But yeah, but you added all the other you have the Secret Service deputy head who's now the head.
Prince I was in charge of never sending the actual security team that actually command and controls the Secret Service, the police.
So they didn't send the brain for the operation.
And then they left the roof completely open.
He was running around for 90 minutes.
dan friesen
So I guess since Jimmy introduced Alex the way he did, he must really want his audience to view everything he says as accurate.
Alex is always proven right about everything and is a psychic, the most trustworthy source for information around.
In the context of this introduction, unless you take it as a joke, every question could basically be rephrased as: tell my gathered followers the secrets about this topic.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
If you're establishing Alex the way that Jimmy did in the intro, aren't you kind of stupid if you then disagree with anything he says?
jordan holmes
It has to be that.
dan friesen
Like, I get it.
It's fun to pretend that Alex is some kind of a prophet, but you know, if you sign onto this premise, you're signing on to theocratic end times fascism, right?
I mean, like, you, this is what you're endorsing.
I mean, and yeah, the Secret Service wasn't on the same radios as the local police, it turns out.
It's a fuck-up that's been reported on where the local police offered radios for the Secret Service to pick up, but they failed to do so.
It's unclear if this is something that's happened before, but has never been an issue until now, or if it's a huge anomaly, but it's not the smoking gun that this whole thing was a setup, the way that Alex and Jimmy are presenting it as.
Like, I was reading an article about it, and I'm like, oh, yeah, that makes total sense.
It's like, you can't just let there be one audience radio band that everything is on.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because then everybody can hear it.
dan friesen
Yeah, oh, hey, that makes that makes total sense.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
It's not like they have super special encrypted radio free.
dan friesen
And yeah, you can't just let anyone into one.
It's much more complicated than it appears to be.
But if you just look at it from a really superficial level, it's like, ah, why weren't they all in the same little hole?
jordan holmes
I have a question.
Is the comedy portion over, or was it always supposed to be never this?
Do you know what I mean?
Like, what is this show supposed to be?
dan friesen
I don't know.
I mean, like, I don't, I obviously don't think that the beginning comedy portion was not going to happen.
Sure.
I think maybe most of that was supposed to happen after Alex, because they do get back to that after he leaves.
But I think, I don't know.
I don't know, man.
jordan holmes
So this is an interview segment for sure.
So this is our just totally straight-faced interview segment, but we've been funny and derogatory towards all these people.
So we've got that context.
Now we've got Alex fucking Jones there, which to me is like there's only one way to combine those two, which is to say that we're going to make fun of Alex Jones.
dan friesen
It could be, I mean, it would be a way to go about it.
Another way to go about it would be get Alex's take on how ugly Matthew Perry was.
Get Alex in on the beating up people.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
No, that's the last thing we need.
More riffing.
dan friesen
No, I think it's, hey, this is an interesting guy.
It'll excite this live audience.
jordan holmes
Where are we?
dan friesen
Chicago.
jordan holmes
No, I mean, where are we in Chicago?
What's the venue?
dan friesen
I don't remember.
unidentified
Fair enough.
dan friesen
It's on Halstead somewhere.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
I don't remember.
Fair enough.
But I think it is just a straight-up interview.
alex jones
So this guy was totally protected.
He was trained at a major Homeland Security training facility in the train's Homeland Security.
He was there 40 plus times.
So yeah, I mean, when you have all these coincidences all lining up the same way, they're not a coincidence.
jimmy dore
And so what do you make that they already burned his body?
alex jones
Yeah, they cremated his body, and notice there were no press conferences.
dan friesen
So, like, the whole thing here is laundering Alex as a prophet and that he's right about stuff and taking him seriously.
Like, if you're one of Jimmy's fans and you hear Alex say the shooter was trained at a homeland security facility, you've already been told by Jimmy that this dude sees the future and he's always proven right about stuff.
So, this must be a big deal.
I bet you'd imagine some kind of documents that Alex has about the program where this guy was trained at a military installation or some kind of base.
He wouldn't just make this kind of claim about meaningless pieces of trivia, but that's exactly what he's doing.
Being trained at a homeland security facility is a claim that Alex can back up by showing that the shooter went to the Clarion Sportsman Club, that 2,000-plus member shooting range, which also has law enforcement agencies use it for shooting training from time to time.
This is the most inconsequential piece of evidence that's being used to make a very unsupported claim.
And Jimmy has more or less insisted that the audience should blindly accept Alex's version of the story.
Crooks's body, the shooter, was turned over to his family, as pretty much always the case with these sorts of things.
The police and FBI collected and processed the evidence they needed, and then 10 days later, he was released to the family so they could do what they needed to do for themselves.
This is all normal, but the whole thing that Alex and Jimmy are responding to is based on Representative Clay Higgins deciding he should go to Butler and poke around the site, play detective for himself.
When he found that the body was gone, he made a big stink about it, and idiots like Alex and Jimmy are turning it into proof of a cover-up.
This is nonsense.
So his body was cremated because the family decided to, because the FBI released the body to the family.
It's nonsense.
jordan holmes
I mean, so what he that they would prefer is that he was buried so then they could exhume him, presume, presumably.
And that would be dramatic, right?
dan friesen
I mean, I guess they'd probably find a way to have a problem with that, too.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Because the family probably wouldn't allow them to.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So why?
Because it's a cover-up.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, everything that every little piece of detail that conforms to your conclusion is evidence and it's exaggerated into being smoking guns.
Yeah.
And anything that is inconvenient is just proof of how elaborate the cover-up is.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like when you can never ever prove anything as a false flag, like Alex, that's just a testament to how good they are at covering up false flags.
It's perfect.
It's a great system.
jordan holmes
Like they know that bodies decompose.
You know, like, I mean, sure, but how long do you keep it in the freezer?
You know what I'm saying?
Like, how long do you get to keep the body in the freezer before you're like, hey, we got the attempted assassin guy?
Are we going to send him home at any point in time?
dan friesen
Weeks later, if somebody decides that they want to do their own little investigation, that's not how that works.
You poiro this thing.
No.
Then it turns out any time before that is too early.
jordan holmes
That seems crazy to me.
Just what do you want?
I want you to freeze this body so anybody at any point in time in the future can randomly go, haha, the fingernail.
dan friesen
Well, because everyone is entitled to do their own investigation of every crime.
jordan holmes
That's true.
Obviously, we all know that.
I've seen a law in order.
dan friesen
It's wild.
jordan holmes
That is crazy.
dan friesen
So the topic of Biden comes up, of course.
Sure.
And so Jimmy asks him a little question.
jimmy dore
Ooh.
So do you have any inside info on what happened with Biden and his reported medical emergency in Las Vegas?
alex jones
Well, I was told, well, Charlie Kirk told people that I know, like, the day it happened, there'd been a medical emergency.
And then weeks later, it came out that there was a medical emergency.
And then Biden was flown to Delaware for seven, eight days, wasn't seen.
And then now, you know, Pelosi's covered her butt and said, well, I saw the letter from Biden, the resignation.
It looked like it was from him.
Well, it didn't even have a presidential seal.
The signature wasn't thing.
So it looks to me, I'm going to speculate that they didn't get him the drugs normally on, or they flipped something, or we had a real medical emergency or he has medical problems.
And then they just basically held him until he agreed.
And then he showed up seven days later.
He kind of shuffled on to Air Force One in Delaware.
And they said, well, why don't you stand down?
Why are you giving up?
And he said, he didn't even agree to it.
And now he's on interviews and said he was basically forced out by the Democratic Party.
So we can talk about behind the evidence of killing the election all the time.
You can still debate that.
You can't debate that Kamala Harris got as many votes for primary as Toronto McDonald.
dan friesen
So Jimmy asking the question, like, hey, what do you hear inside secret info about this?
Like, the question presupposes that he's willing to believe that Alex has some of that information, which is already starting off on the wrong foot.
You shouldn't even trust Alex to accurately convey publicly available information, let alone mysterious behind-the-scenes gossip that he's probably just getting from social media.
So on July 5th, noted bigot and loser Laura Loomer posted on Twitter that Biden had a medical emergency on board Air Force One.
There's no evidence that this was the case, but it was exciting.
So people reposted it and it went around.
People denied Loomer's bullshit, but she shot back that it was all true because Biden was canceling events mysteriously.
The event that he canceled was a July 7th National Education Association staff union meeting, which he decided not to attend after the union announced it was going on strike.
It was solidarity and not crossing a picket line that canceled that event, not this medical emergency.
Biden still did other events in the same timeframe, but it doesn't matter.
The narrative stuck with the right-wing dipshit crowd, and they all kind of just ran with it.
There are some real problems with Alex's timeline that he's presenting here.
So this was on July 5th when this was supposed to have happened, which is easy to get conflated with July 17th, which is when Biden announced that he tested positive for COVID, which is also easy to get mixed up with July 21st, which is when he announced he was stepping aside in the 2024 race.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
In order for Alex's premise to have any plausibility, they would need to have been drugging up and holding Biden hostage from the 5th to about the 21st, demanding that he step down or else.
And that didn't happen.
There was a NATO summit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and there was that whole thing that he was there for.
dan friesen
Yeah, and Alex covered on his fucking show.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Also, Alex references that Pelosi said a particular letter didn't sound like Biden.
He wants you to think that she was talking about the letter where Biden dropped out of the race.
In the real world, Pelosi was talking about a prior statement that Biden had released signaling his intention to stay in the race.
That's the one that she said didn't sound like him.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Alex is playing a little bit of a sleight of hand here.
He's mixing up these details because what really happened is meaningless to him.
Jimmy is encouraging his free thinking-oriented audience to engage with reality the same way Alex does, which is pretty sad and not connected to anything.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's fun.
jordan holmes
I don't understand.
I suppose I just don't understand.
Like, I mean, okay, maybe it's just like, we got to fill content somehow, you know, but like, Biden's, what are we doing?
What are we doing still?
What are they doing talking about Biden?
Like, you're wasting all of your time and energy.
dan friesen
Because they're afraid that there's a decent chance that Kamala will win, and they need to invalidate her presidency somehow.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And they're trying everything.
They're trying the she wasn't born here, birthday stuff.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
They're trying, she stole the nomination.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But I mean, like, who cares?
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
For them.
Like, they're talking to, they're not talking to me.
They're talking to their crowd.
dan friesen
No, they're pre- they're laying track in advance for bullshit, trivial Senate inquiries down the road if Harris wins in order to clog up the system and make sure that nothing gets done.
That's the kind of thing that these narratives serve.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
I think.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
All right.
dan friesen
I'm not entirely sure what Jimmy's interest in all this is outside of like, Alex is a lightning rod for attention.
So I'll get some of that.
jordan holmes
I mean, did people go to this venue to hear an interview with Alex?
Like, they came to me.
dan friesen
One person yelled, we came to see you.
So I assume they came to see Jimmy Doerr.
jordan holmes
Yeah, like, I just don't understand.
Like, tell me, I understand it if there's a good story.
Like, Biden's actually been dead for two years.
This is a clone.
He's plumping, like, any number of different exciting things, you know.
If there's a health emergency, that's when they switched him out for the real one or the not real one or whatever.
dan friesen
Well, Metzger seems to think that there's a couple of things.
jordan holmes
See, that's great.
That's fine.
Because then I guess that it's just a fun thing to talk about.
But if it's like an attack on the political system, like you're late.
It is late.
You're a month late, man.
dan friesen
I think that I don't.
I think that you could almost take a really, really cynical approach to Jimmy having Alex on the show.
Yeah.
I think that, you know, obviously when Alex has been on Rogan or when he's done Tucker Carlson, you know, you do see a huge boost in these kinds of numbers.
jordan holmes
And that's the first episode of Rumble Deck.
dan friesen
Right.
And I think that you probably have an expectation that, like, okay, this will work well in my advantage.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And then Alex, like, it's obvious what his agenda is.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So I think that they're using each other kind of.
jordan holmes
Right.
I just, man, I wish that their agenda was similar to ours insofar as it should be to put on a good show.
dan friesen
Yeah, they didn't do that.
jordan holmes
They don't feel like it doesn't feel like they're trying.
dan friesen
No, it's not a good show.
But there's the appearance of trying to make some agenda overlap.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And I think that that's where I find any kind of interestingness in this.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Because Jimmy does have this brand of like, I'm attacking from the left or whatever.
jordan holmes
I guess.
dan friesen
But he's not.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
He's very much not.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
His co-host is sitting there in an LGBT CIA shirt.
They're making transphobic jokes.
Everything is incredibly about exclusion of folks.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
There's beating up on people for their poverty.
Like, this is not a politics that I associate with the left at all.
But there is a feeling of that is where he's supposed to be coming from.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And so I think that there is an attempt at that.
It's very dissonant.
jordan holmes
It's just wild because they're just regular ass 1950s racists.
I don't understand.
Yeah, I mean, I feel bad for the people who wanted to go see a show.
dan friesen
I think they got what they wanted.
jordan holmes
You're probably right.
dan friesen
So there's a couple moments that I think are really interesting that transcend how stupid both of these people are and how dumb this conversation is.
Yeah.
And this is one of them.
And it's Jimmy asking Alex, hey, Trump didn't do any of the shit that you wanted him to do.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So you support him.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Do you actually think he's going to do any of the shit that you want him to do?
jordan holmes
Good question.
dan friesen
Right.
jimmy dore
When Trump actually was president, it seems to me he didn't do many of the things he said he was going to do.
He didn't give everybody health care he said he would.
He didn't bring back jobs to America like he said he would.
He didn't drain the swamp.
In fact, what he did was he put them all in his goddamn cabinet, right?
So, and he didn't pardon Snowden.
He didn't pardon Julian Assange and he didn't release the JFK files.
And he didn't lock up Hillary Clinton or prosecute any of those people.
He didn't do anything, he said.
So, what do you think is if he becomes president?
Do you think that he's going to do any of those things?
No, then his second term.
alex jones
Look, I'm not giving Trump a pass.
He's not from the Washington machine.
He was open about how, as a major real estate owner, he gave money to both parties.
And he was very, very ignorant and naive when he came in.
Then these politicians and politicos lied to him and said that they were going to be loyal and do what he wanted, that they were actually that.
So he pulled from the system.
And I mean, I think now he's going to be different, but certainly Trump has made some black spots.
He supported Operation Warp Speed, the poison shots, and all the rest of us.
So I'm not, I don't think Trump is some panacea here.
But permanent Washington, the Republican Democrat establishment, does not like Trump because he's an outsider.
You know, Nixon had big problems, but the system got rid of him because he tried to be president.
And so the permanent bureaucracy doesn't like presidents.
They're actually presidents.
They like puppets, you know, Michael Biden, who doesn't even know what planet he's on.
So they can do whatever they want.
And that is a front man, you know, will come in empty suit as a placeholder.
Not Kamala Harris is a perfect example of that.
So I don't think worships Trump.
I didn't believe the whole Q thing that he was invincible and there's all these good guys in government.
I mean, I think we're in a latter stage of the decay of an empire right now.
And I do think Trump is better on cutting back on war than the Democrats and the neocons.
So because of that, I overall support Trump.
dan friesen
So you can see how Alex engages differently with different audiences.
I think he has enough instincts and not enough apple juice in him to know that if he started rambling about how the literal devil is trying to terraform the world so his demonic minions can breathe in a carbonless atmosphere and how Trump will save the world by burning more fossil fuels and polluting more, the audience is probably going to think he's an insane idiot.
So he moderates his image to become more acceptable.
And in doing so, he has to take on the mantle of a lesser of two evils guy.
This is the guy Jimmy wants to sell to the audience too.
So he doesn't mind Alex lying to the audience's face.
Or quite honestly, Jimmy probably has no idea what Alex actually believes.
More likely, Alex knows that the version of himself Jimmy wants to be there, he knows what that is, and he's being that because this shit's a game.
And sure, Trump didn't do a lot of that stuff, but you're a goddamn idiot if you're just sitting there trying to pretend Trump didn't do anything in his term.
He may not have done all the things that he did to keep the dumb-dums chanting and clapping on the campaign trail, but he definitely appointed three unacceptable Supreme Court justices who overturned Roe v. Wade, along with countless other decisions they've made and will make that roll back all kinds of civil protections Jimmy's supposed to care so much about, most that play into the advantage of corporations, which Jimmy is supposed to be opposed to.
Jimmy is invested in making Trump out to be just another politician because that's an improvement in his image.
Treating Trump like a threat to all our public safety makes him a pretty much unsellable candidate, which sucks for him.
The whole brand is shitting on Democrats and pretending to attack them from the left, but with right-wing positions.
So the thing that the Democrats are fighting can't possibly be something that you actually need to fight to.
It has to just be an illusion, just another politician with big promises that doesn't do anything.
With Trump, from most of Jimmy's audience, that's a comforting thought.
With Harris and the Democrats, the audience fears that they would just be another normal politician.
They would say the right things and inspire hope that things could be better and then just be another establishment hack.
With Trump, the fear is that he's not.
The fear is that he means what he's saying and will try to assert dictatorial type powers.
By lombasting Trump as just another politician, Jimmy's actually doing amazing PR work for Trump among this kind of disaffected pretending to be left-wing audience.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Because it's like, okay, yeah, on this one side, we have the things that we want to hear and the disappointment of all those things not magically happening.
On this side, we have a normal politician would be like, ah, he's just talking shit about all the stuff that strips people of rights and is all scary.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm just, I'm blown away.
I have no idea where everybody is coming from here.
I don't know who's – what is everybody – You know, like, I want to know what people want out of this.
So, like, if Jimmy Dore is trying to launder Alex, right?
What does he want?
He wants, like, numbers or whatever.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I guess.
So that's why you have Alex on.
Alex wants to get some of Jimmy Dore's audience.
dan friesen
And create theocracy, basically, all political motion towards that while selling pills.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But what is up with these people, man?
What are they up to?
dan friesen
I think that a lot of them probably have some positions that aren't well represented by some parties.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And some of them are right-winger than they realize, probably.
But I also think that what is going on here, the essential dynamic that I find interesting is that you have the same, I think the motivations come from the same place as a lot of the media.
Sure.
You know, a lot of the media is invested in making a horse race out of the presidency and the election because you're selling a product.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they're going to work hard to make Trump palatable for us.
dan friesen
Right.
As much as some of the race is fairly close, it will be closer in the eyes of the media because that is in their best interest for ratings, all kinds of things.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
Seen this play out over and over again when Trump should be dealt with in a way that is much harsher.
The reality of what he does and how he behaves, the things he says are unacceptable within this realm.
And the fact that he is even treated as a viable person who people should be rallying behind is the bias.
This is the same thing, I think, with Jimmy.
Making Trump just another politician is a way to make it closer to a horse race between these two options.
It's that they're both bad in the same way as opposed to they're both viable alternatives to each other in the media because otherwise, what is the content you're going to make?
You know, you have to make there be some sort of tension.
And the only way to do that is to make Trump a viable option.
And Trump's a viable option if everybody's shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you know, I think maybe, maybe we gave them too much of a pass in 2016 because it was like, for most of us, it was the first time we had experienced this level of Nazi washing.
I don't know what to tell you.
But I mean, for them to do it now, that's egregious shit.
That is truly egregious.
dan friesen
Yeah, and to play this game that Adams is trying to play with like, oh, I just kind of, you know, on a balance, I think he's less likely to make war.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know.
dan friesen
So it would be insulting if you're Jimmy to accept that, except for he doesn't care.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think one thing that is amazing about Alex is that it is through having no respect for Alex and hating him that I have learned to have no respect for everybody else in the media too.
And hate them as well.
dan friesen
Yeah, I guess.
jordan holmes
He's got an amazing ability to point out how idiotic everybody else is.
dan friesen
He does.
He is a teachable example about a lot of problems that exist in many places.
jordan holmes
It is unfortunate.
dan friesen
So obviously these folks, Jimmy's audience, are quite anti-Israel.
And some of them are anti-Israel for understandable reasons.
Sure.
Some of them are not.
But either way, this is a quite anti-Israel audience.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I imagine that would be the intersection.
I very strongly doubt that there are people there who are like, let's go.
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so Alex is disappointed with the way that Trump has behaved on this show.
alex jones
Sure.
Yeah, I'm disappointed in his carte blanche support of Israel.
I'm never an anti-Israel guy.
I mean, I think it's just another corrupt government.
And I certainly don't support Hamas and Hezbollah in Iran.
I mean, it's all just, you know, terrible.
It's like, it says, ask me what port-a-potty I want to eat out of.
I don't want to eat your body.
I'm going to show 20 port-a-potties of which one do you want to choose.
I don't like any of them.
I can't use an analogy like that.
But Trump's slavish support of Netanyahu is dangerous.
And people say, well, wait, Alex is a big Israel supporter, but he also has criticized Israel.
No, I'm just not anti-Israel.
I'm saying I'm not anti-American.
I don't like the corrupt government with God.
I think Trump's better on Ukraine, but he has been slavish on this situation with the ongoing bombing of Gaza.
So, I mean, I've been against that from day one.
I mean, I said Israel could carpet bomb the whole place and maybe win, but they're going to separate victory because they're going to lose in public opinion.
dan friesen
That's weird.
So it makes sense why the audience might applaud Alex expressing disappointment with Trump's support of Israel, but it would be really helpful for Jimmy to ask a follow-up question here about why he's disappointed.
Alex doesn't care at all about the Palestinian people, which I would assume is a concern that a lot of the people who are applauding have.
jordan holmes
You would assume.
dan friesen
Alex's problem is that it'll bring immigrants here who scare him.
Further, Alex realizes that the killing of civilians in Gaza looks really bad and people don't like it.
So the PR of Trump wanting more of it is not good for Trump.
These are the fundamental realities of Alex's position, which I think Jimmy's audience might be less quick to applaud, but I might have them wrong because I didn't think that a lot of this other stuff would be what his show is.
jordan holmes
I'm blown away.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I'm blown away.
dan friesen
So maybe I'm too idealistic.
jordan holmes
The idea of allowing somebody to be like, ah, you see, the problem is the optics are bad.
That's beautiful.
dan friesen
You could carpet bomb the whole place and win, but then people wouldn't like it.
jordan holmes
It just doesn't get better than that.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because I think that fundamentally, Alex would be totally fine with an extermination of a people if there wasn't consequences like immigration.
jordan holmes
Yeah, 100%.
I mean, why else?
dan friesen
Yeah.
That's something that comes through in his comments.
So Jimmy wants to know about we're going to have another COVID.
We're doing COVID again.
jimmy dore
Oh, my God.
Well, Alex, I wanted to ask you, do you have any inside info?
They're ramping up their fear-mongering again about COVID and monkeypox.
So do you have any other insight on any of the incoming deep state plans that we're in for?
jordan holmes
This is a bit, right?
alex jones
Yeah, I mean, I do because they always telegraph what they're going to do beforehand.
And so they send we'll have another pandemic.
So they're trying bird flu, monkeypox, any amount of fear they can for control.
They want to pass the UN tree and take control of our bodies and all the rest of it.
And as bad as Trump was on COVID, he's been better on saying you should have a right to not take the shots.
He was against the lockdowns once we got in the middle of it.
But yeah, I mean, so much of inside info is just watching the establishment corporate media pre-program what's coming.
dan friesen
So I don't, I mean, if it's not a bit, Jimmy's coming off like a real dork, asking for inside info from Alex.
He appears to have personally bought in on an embarrassing level to Alex's shtick.
I think you're not going to be able to stammer your way through this one on a both sides, lesser of two evils kind of thing, because Trump supported and brought us the vaccine.
These people have seen such a profit motive in demonizing the vaccine and creating hysteria around it.
And people took that seriously.
People died because they believed the right-wing storylines about COVID.
And now Alex wants to pretend, well, Trump's pretty good on the issue.
It's not an issue.
It's a mass murder biological weapon plot.
I think that it's pretty likely that one of Trump's biggest liabilities is the anti-vax fervor that his base has rallied around.
It was so profitable and so easy to organize around that that they couldn't resist it.
But now it's also disqualifying for the candidate that they want to defend as the lesser of two evils.
And it just doesn't work.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's the one.
This is the one that is amazing to me that they got that people get like twisted up on because to me, it just like I get the morality of being like, ah, foreign wars are bad.
You know, that's how it works and people should do that stuff.
But ostensibly, the idea of borders and nations is that sooner or later they'll be our enemy anyway.
So who fucking cares?
What matters for your government that you're choosing is that they don't poison you?
Like, isn't that the number one?
Like, hey, first off, government, don't poison me.
Right?
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, that's a big one.
jordan holmes
Like, I don't go murder other people.
That's bad.
I understand that.
But, you know, the government is our government and there are other people.
dan friesen
Not responding in an ideal way to foreign tensions and things that happen around the world that sometimes you have an influence in and sometimes you wish you had more of an influence in.
Whatever.
Not responding in a perfect way.
Obviously, you want to be against.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Creating a bioweapon and then attacking the entire different kind of thing.
jordan holmes
It's just, it seems insurmountable to me.
And somehow they're surmounting it.
dan friesen
No, it is for a lot of people.
And I think that's why Trump's not going to get all of RFK's followers.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you're right.
dan friesen
I think that because it was so profitable and because they were able to use it so well, a lot of people are true believers in a way that Trump cannot reach now.
And I think that's sort of the way that the knife cuts the other direction a little bit.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
It's crazy.
dan friesen
So Jimmy has another decent question.
And that is that, hey, Trump wants to make this whole border thing.
Do you think that's just going to be an excuse to do surveillance shit?
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And Alex, this should, he should be worried about this.
jordan holmes
This should be so disqualified.
jimmy dore
So do you fear that if Trump becomes president and he goes to secure the border, he's going to do it with what Whitney Webb talks about with surveillance and facial recognition.
It's going to be an electronic wall instead of an actual wall, which is just going to mean mass surveillance for everybody.
Do you fear that?
alex jones
Yeah, I mean, Ron Paul always said when they build a wall, it's going to be keep us in.
But you already go to the airport.
It's not going to make you face scanned to get off an airplane.
So this stuff's already here.
So I'm not saying we should capitulate to it, but we have to cut the incentives off to tell the world they can just come here for free and going bankrupt.
We have corporations on cheap labor and you've got the different NGOs that are making the lion's share of the money off servicing all of these migrants.
dan friesen
Yeah, so that's the way that Alex answers this question.
Fuck immigrants.
jordan holmes
Wild.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Wild.
dan friesen
That's a tough question for Alex because everything about his career should lead him to say yes, and it is too risky to ever allow someone like Trump to put something like that in place.
We assume good intentions.
Sure.
Oh, but everybody does right before everything goes wrong.
jordan holmes
It shouldn't just be that, but like, hey, if you have your guy do a thing, it's also important to remember that four years later, a different guy might then have that same power to do that same thing.
And you might not like that guy.
dan friesen
True.
jordan holmes
That's the idea.
dan friesen
And Alex's career is largely based on all kinds of absurd, well, if we allow this, then what, you know, kind of and for him to be like, they already face scan you at the airport.
Yeah, I mean, the opposite of what his entire world is based on.
jordan holmes
It is so wild.
Like, I want to have some sort of shock collar installed in me now that I can program.
Because, like, this is everything.
Like, just listening to this.
This is everything that he is not supposed to be.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
I mean, he's not supposed to be.
unidentified
Yeah, exactly.
jordan holmes
I have to have a shot collar now just to make sure that at no point in time in the future will I slide into this trash.
dan friesen
Trump murdered everyone with the vaccine, but he met well and he was just tricked by everyone around him, so we should give him another shot.
He is the lesser of two evils in terms of war and stuff like that.
Yeah.
But also he's probably going to do a bunch of work.
Yeah, sure.
There is a high-tech surveillance tyranny that is going to be implemented by the border.
jordan holmes
You're the mark of the beast guy.
dan friesen
Yeah, but look, they already scanned you at the airport.
jordan holmes
You're the mark of the beast guy.
Oh, well.
You see, this is just, it's just crazy.
dan friesen
It reveals the insincerity of a lot of the positions that Alex has built his entire brand around.
Totally.
And I don't think that Jimmy is meaning to reveal these things or anything, but it lays it pretty bare.
So Jimmy talks a little bit about Trump's, he's not the outsider that he once was.
Because he was already goddamn president.
That's true.
And I would describe Alex on his backist of backgrounds.
jimmy dore
Dave Smith tweeted out today that he thought it was a mistake for, well, here, he says, the problem with Trump calling the Democrats communists and Marxists, aside from being inaccurate and making him sound like a grandpa arguing in the 1940s, is the framing.
He says between his position on Israel, COVID, and even his praising of the secret service, what Trump calls his opponents Marxists, he positions himself as a defender of the establishment, guarding against the radicals.
That was never the appeal of Donald Trump.
People supported him because he represented a repudiation of the Bushes, the Clintons, the Obamas, and the corporate media.
He was a giant middle finger to the establishment.
So do you think it's a good idea?
Go ahead.
alex jones
I mean, I know where you're going.
I think it's very, very fair to say this is a more establishment Trump than we saw eight years ago or four years ago.
And I think that's his advisors telling him to be more of an establishment Republican.
And I don't think that's wise.
I think he should be the bomb thrower politically.
For the media quotes me on that, you know, the turn bomb thrower being he should be the outsider of the populace, the maverick, which he never, as you say, fully delivered on, but the system sees him as that.
And then now he is definitely, you know, I mean, he should be going after Kamala Harris and Biden for getting almost all the big corporate donations and all the big BlackRock money.
And instead, he is acting like they're Bernie Sanders, you know, and then some leftist at a university.
And that's not who they are.
I mean, they are military industrial complex puppets.
So the big appeal of Trump was being anti-war compared to them and going against the establishment.
That's still the big appeal that they've tried to put him in jail and take him off the ballot, kill him.
But that is being outweighed in many ways by what you're saying.
And I'm trying to be a big Trump supporter, but I'm not, you know, loyal opposition or whatever.
I just sit there and go kind of, you know, talk about him, but don't criticize him.
I mean, I really am concerned, and a lot of my listeners are concerned about Trump and the different turns he's made.
dan friesen
Hey, man, you're fighting the devil.
jordan holmes
What is happening?
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
I feel insane right now.
dan friesen
I do too.
jordan holmes
I feel legit crazy.
I feel like I've been sent into a different universe where everything's fucked up.
And all that happened is I just listened to this shit.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
This is crazy.
dan friesen
Well, because I think that Jimmy is making a point that is good about what made Trump's brand really viable in 2016.
Right.
And why him winning sucked and why it didn't work and why it ruined 2020 and why it's kind of falling apart now.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
Is that he is supposed to be the bomb thrower.
He's supposed to be the guy who is fighting against the system.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He gets in power and you have to create this entirely insidious other system that he's supposed to be fighting.
And now that system is really the system.
It's just, it's too much.
He's supposed to retake the reins for the sake of civilization.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Really?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Listen, Obama did the hope and change right in 2008.
And then when he didn't do either of those things, he didn't continue doing hope and change in 2012.
He was like, hey, come on, I'll be better than that guy.
Come on, bud.
You know, like Trump, that's all you get on your second term whenever, because you never deliver on shit.
dan friesen
We already have a lot of people.
jordan holmes
Because you're a trash human being.
You became the president.
You're worthless.
dan friesen
Your slogan when you're being re-elected is, we've done all right.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
What?
We'll try and do more.
jordan holmes
Fuck off.
dan friesen
Great.
If you've had four years off in between, it's really hard to have any kind of idea of, oh, well, keep the ball rolling.
What?
No, you can't.
It's no good.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
The point that Jimmy is making is fair enough, but it is about optics and it's about the brand that everyone bought into with Trump.
The appeal to the supporters was based on wanting to give a middle finger to the man or whatever.
And now it really isn't the same.
There's still an anger that Trump embodies for a lot of his followers.
But trying to pretend that it works on some kind of a like Clinton-Obama insider versus Trump level just feels false.
jordan holmes
It doesn't.
dan friesen
And for Alex to be so sort of stammery about his support of Trump is hilarious.
jordan holmes
It's so wild.
Like, I appreciate how everybody got into this place, you know, because for the longest time, we were like, what if everybody was just the worst possible candidate and then we'll choose, you know?
But then Biden stepped away.
So now you have to, the rules are different now.
Now it's not two dying old men, which one was going to be more of a monster to you.
You know, like the rules have changed.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I think that Alex may be representing something that is really important for him.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Which is you might need to get rid of Trump.
jordan holmes
You have to.
dan friesen
Like, he can't even give a strong defense of Trump in front of Jimmy fucking Doors' audience.
jordan holmes
I mean, that's tragic.
dan friesen
Like, this is.
jordan holmes
You don't have to tell the truth.
dan friesen
This is a weak man.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is very weak.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But he should be weak.
Like, he shouldn't be defending Trump, but he also should be because it's only like two months till the election.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he's supposed to be fighting the devil.
I don't know.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
You just, you know.
dan friesen
His heart's not in this.
jordan holmes
You just can't do it.
Yeah.
I think the only thing maybe that they got is they should go hard on trying to convince everybody that Kamala tried to kill Trump.
I think you push the picture of him with a bloody fist, you tie it to all of the Democrats, and you say they're going to kill all of you next.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Right?
Like, that's your only hope.
dan friesen
Well, and the idea of creating all of these ways that you can sort of slow down the process and create bullshit inquiries in Congress and stuff like that.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
You know, create that kind of havoc in advance.
Yeah.
I think those are probably your top priorities.
jordan holmes
Yeah, because you just can't do the other stuff.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
It's over now.
dan friesen
There's a chance that Trump will win.
And that is not an foregone conclusion.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
So there is a chance that he could win.
And if he does, great.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But there's also a chance that he could lose.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And you don't want to be holding the bag.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And I think that Alex needs to do some work on that in two months.
And this is one of the first times that I really felt like maybe he's expressing like a like.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I think it's so funny.
I think it's so funny just that like we're in a space where it's like Trump could still win, but the only way he's going to win is with a massive amount of help from the media.
And that's what we're all waiting for.
And they're going to deliver.
It's amazing.
dan friesen
I don't know if they can resist.
jordan holmes
They just can't.
They need money.
They love money more than they want us to live.
dan friesen
So this interview.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It lasts only about 12 minutes.
jordan holmes
You're joking.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Fuck me.
dan friesen
It's very short.
alex jones
I mean, I support him because the system's trying to kill him.
But that said, I'm going to be a supporter so that I can put his feet to the fire on issues and, you know, try to get better policies out of him.
unidentified
Okay.
All right.
jimmy dore
Well, Alex, I just want to say I appreciate you taking time off your evening to share with me and my audience.
unidentified
Let's hear it for Alex Jones, Lazy Jones.
Why?
dan friesen
So afterwards, he's not like, hey, that guy was an idiot, right?
Like, he doesn't.
So there's no reveal of like, this is a joke or anything.
So I don't know.
I think it was sincere.
I think it's a sincere interview.
And I think maybe it would have gone longer if Alex would have been at the time that he was supposed to be there.
jordan holmes
Yeah, okay.
dan friesen
Or whatever.
I think maybe that was.
I don't know what happened, but it was very short and disappointing.
And then afterwards, they go back to watching some clips.
jordan holmes
You're joking.
What is this fucking show?
dan friesen
You want to hear another clip?
We're going to play a game with this clip.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I do.
dan friesen
Try and figure out when this clip is from.
jordan holmes
Okay.
jimmy dore
Here's her platform right here.
unidentified
You know, we have to stay woke.
Like, everybody needs to be woke.
And you can talk about if you're the wokist or woker, but just say more woke than less woke.
Is she going to be president or is captain of the enterprise?
jimmy dore
What does that share?
dan friesen
Does she mean more meth and less fentanyl?
jimmy dore
Because hey, you know what's not woke?
Wearing three-inch heels and a pantsuit, I think.
Equality starts with not balancing your entire body on a centimeter of a stiletto.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
That didn't land.
jordan holmes
Did they write.
Did they write this?
dan friesen
I'm not sure.
I have no idea.
jimmy dore
Oh, God.
dan friesen
So I turned it off.
jordan holmes
They're taking turns as though they like.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
We're going to have a little bit of a, we're going to play tag.
Boof.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So where do you think that clip of Harris was from?
jordan holmes
I want to say 2019.
dan friesen
2017.
unidentified
Ooh.
dan friesen
Both the clip of Cuomo and Harris.
They're both from 2017.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
What is wrong with that?
dan friesen
But that one was making the rounds on right-wing social media.
So I think that Jimmy must have seen it on there and been like, we could riff on this.
In practice, no.
jordan holmes
The confidence, I mean, man, I feel like, how about this?
All right.
You have Tommy John surgery.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
You lose your fastball.
You don't have the same confidence as when you had the fastball.
You know what I'm saying?
Jimmy Dore has long since lost that fastball.
I don't understand the confidence with which he is behaving.
dan friesen
Well, that's the kind of thing that I'm dealing with is that I get everything except for when he says the, you know, what's not woke, wearing a pantsuit with his heels.
Yeah.
And then the audience doesn't laugh.
unidentified
Nothing.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, if the audience laughed, I would get all of this.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
I don't get where the, it doesn't even.
At times, when Jimmy starts yelling and shit, the audience is into it.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So there are those moments where he's like, Bernie Sanders is a fucking sellout hack.
unidentified
He went on Theo Vaughn's podcast and said that we should still vote and blah, blah, blah.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
And people like that.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But in terms of the humor, no, I don't think there's.
And it doesn't land.
jordan holmes
I can tell you, like, I can tell you what?
Like, at our Toronto show, I can tell you at least three things that I said that did not land the way I wanted to.
And they didn't go bad, but they didn't land the way that I wanted to.
And I wanted, like, I was like, oh, my God, what am I doing with my life?
Do you know what I mean?
Like, the idea of, and, you know, because I'm a comic, I put it back up there, got the confidence back.
But the idea of being able to just like get dead silence and then just be like, ah, I'm still great.
No idea.
dan friesen
Well, I think you have to maybe have a different system of how you judge things.
Yeah.
Then.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know?
jordan holmes
I guess.
dan friesen
And I don't know.
I was looking at his YouTube channel and I did notice that there were spikes in traffic or spikes in views for Alex's videos.
So like, that's cool.
I mean, you know, you have, you have, here we go.
What do we got?
RFK, also very popular.
Videos about RFK get a whole lot more views than a lot of his other ones.
jordan holmes
Wild.
dan friesen
You have like, you know, 30,000-ish normal views, and then an Alex video, 60,000.
jordan holmes
But he doesn't, does he, do they do like live shows a lot?
Or have they, have they, like, maybe what's happened is they've retreated to the like, all we are is in a studio kind of environment with each other.
So we just talk like that, and we don't actually know what makes a crowd laugh anymore.
dan friesen
I don't think so.
I think Jimmy still performs.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know.
I think this is one of the problems that we have.
First of all, we don't know Jimmy all that well.
jordan holmes
No, that's true.
dan friesen
As his show.
That's true.
And then second, this is the first episode of Rumble Time.
Man.
So there is no context for what this is.
jordan holmes
Y'all got to make that the last episode of Rumble Time.
dan friesen
I'm excited for episode two.
jordan holmes
I am not.
dan friesen
We are definitely going to cover it.
jordan holmes
We are not.
dan friesen
I told you I made a mistake.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I think I made a mistake.
jordan holmes
I think so too.
But I also think I like, here's the thing, though.
This is kind of mind-blowing.
This whole thing, again, I feel like I'm in an alternate universe, and he's just saying the normal stuff.
dan friesen
Yeah.
No, Alex acting like a normal person who thinks about political things and that kind of shit is bizarre.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so, him pretending to be that is bizarre.
And then, I really do think that there is something that is fascinating about the way that Jimmy needs to make Trump just another politician in the same pursuit as the media, trying to make him another politician.
They make Trump a credible politician in order to facilitate the horse race, and Jimmy's making him just another politician for the same reason because it justifies this kind of both sides.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this is wild.
I mean, also, like, Alex, it's more fun to not be the lesser of two evils person.
Do you know who has no fun being the person who's like, let's be responsible?
That's not a fun position.
dan friesen
No, no, but when your alternative is yelling about the devil in front of a crowd of presumably hip Jimmy Door fans, but that's what I'm saying, they would enjoy that's a show, no, but they'd be laughing at him.
jordan holmes
That's what he's supposed to be.
dan friesen
No, he doesn't like that.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God, he doesn't.
No, he used to, he used to be fine with people laughing.
dan friesen
He used to have a brashness that could withstand people laughing at him.
Yeah, and now I don't know if that's the case, brutal.
But I think he could probably, if it wasn't a live show, like if it was just him and Jimmy sitting around, he could talk about the devil.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But the live show aspect of it, probably it's a nightmare to be trapped in a screen with an audience that can't talk to you.
dan friesen
That's true.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, anyway, we'll be back.
Another episode.
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
Indeed, we do at salvagefight.com.
dan friesen
Yep, we'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I'm the Mysterious Professor.
And now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
jordan holmes
So, Alex, I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
alex jones
I love your work.
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