#958: More Like Jimmy Bore, Revisited
In this installment, Dan and Jordan discuss Alex's appearance on Jimmy Dore's live show from the DNC.
Aug. 26, 2024 - Knowledge Fight
01:36:51
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| Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys. | ||
| Knowledge Fight. | ||
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Dan and Jordan. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| Need money. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
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Stop it. | |
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| It's time to break. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. | ||
| Knowledge Fight. | ||
| Knowledge Fight dot com. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Right. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are. | ||
| Dan. | ||
|
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Jordan. | |
| Dan. | ||
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Jordan. | |
| Quick question for you. | ||
| What's up? | ||
| What's your bright spot today, buddy? | ||
| Why don't you go first? | ||
| Oh, well, my bright spot, Dan, is going to, it was going to be, uh... | ||
| Tennis. | ||
| Because the U.S. Open starts tomorrow. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Or today when you're listening to this. | ||
| So much tennis. | ||
| It's so much. | ||
| It's such great. | ||
| It's the last major of the year. | ||
| It's going to be great. | ||
| But I haven't spoken at all this year, I think, about Shohei Otani. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And the man, the man is a god. | ||
| He is not a man. | ||
| He is at baseball. | ||
| He's transcended. | ||
| I mean, there's no words anymore for anything that's ever happened in a sport. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That is like this. | ||
| This has never happened. | ||
| It can't happen. | ||
| It just can't. | ||
| What's going on with that translator? | ||
| I haven't kept up with that story. | ||
| Oh, I believe he's just in jail now. | ||
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Okay. | |
| I believe he's just in regular old prison. | ||
|
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Sweet. | |
| Just doing all the whoops, you had a serious gambling addiction and you ruined your life. | ||
| And it wasn't Otani's fault? | ||
| No, of course not. | ||
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Well, no. | |
| Good, good. | ||
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That is so funny. | |
| He navigated that scandal. | ||
| I mean, it's just, and that's another part of it. | ||
| It's like, he's the only person who is like, Yeah, he's too busy hitting a ball. | ||
| And throwing it. | ||
| And throwing it. | ||
| But now, here's the thing, right? | ||
| Can't throw the ball. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Can't throw the ball this year. | ||
| He's not a pitcher this year. | ||
| He's not a pitcher this year. | ||
| He's just a designated hitter. | ||
| All he does is go up to bat and then hit. | ||
| And he is going to probably win the National League MVP because he's the most valuable player who's only doing one thing. | ||
| And he's also the best at the other thing that he does, but he's just doing this thing this year, and he's still going to win the MVP without doing that other thing! | ||
| I mean, it's pretty remarkable. | ||
| He's doing... | ||
| He's good at the things. | ||
| He's doing so. | ||
| He just reached 40 home runs and 40 stolen bases. | ||
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Woo! | |
| And that is for the best pitcher in the league. | ||
| 40 home runs and 40 stolen bases. | ||
| Quite a few. | ||
| And he's going to probably end the year maybe 50-50. | ||
| The only baseball player in history ever to do that. | ||
| So are we... | ||
| Is he on the juice? | ||
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No! | |
| Are people suspecting this? | ||
| Nope, nope. | ||
| He is, and I mean this, quite possibly... | ||
| The devil. | ||
| Because if I was the devil, I would have gotten sick of all this sin and backroom deals and all that shit. | ||
| I would have been like, hey, I sold that guy's soul and now he's really good at the guitar. | ||
| What if I just played baseball? | ||
| I tried to get into fiddle contests for a bit. | ||
| It didn't work out. | ||
| I did the whole thing, but baseball. | ||
| Trying to find myself. | ||
| Individual sport. | ||
| As long as you're a designated hitter. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Or a pitcher. | ||
| See, that's what I'm saying! | ||
| Yeah, it's a team sport in other contexts. | ||
| In all other contexts, except for the ones that the devil would be interested in. | ||
| And he would play in L.A. He's in L.A., right? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Okay. | ||
| He was in L.A. for the Angels, and then he's in L.A. for the Dodgers. | ||
| Of course the devil lives in L.A. Right. | ||
| It all makes sense. | ||
| I think he is the devil. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| I'll buy it. | ||
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Yep. | |
| What's your bright spot? | ||
| I don't watch a lot of baseball, so I'll accept your premise. | ||
| To sum up, my bright spot is that the devil plays baseball. | ||
| What's your bright spot? | ||
| Andy's your favorite player. | ||
| So my bright spot, as promised, it's time to talk about the challenge. | ||
| Hell yeah. | ||
| Now that you have watched last week's episode, spoiler alerts for it. | ||
| What an episode. | ||
| So great. | ||
| A lot of shit going on. | ||
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Yep. | |
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know if I actually want this to be my bright spot, but I enjoyed it. | ||
| We didn't get to talk about it, and we teased it at the beginning of the last episode. | ||
| Sad to see Leroy go first. | ||
| I saw that coming a mile away. | ||
| Leroy's actually not... | ||
| Good at things. | ||
| I think he's a very attractive man. | ||
| Well built. | ||
| Got all those muscles and stuff. | ||
| Seems like he's got a great personality. | ||
| He's such an awesome dude. | ||
| Good character on the show. | ||
| Great father, I'm sure. | ||
| All of that stuff. | ||
| Not very coordinated. | ||
| Just not a hand-eye coordination guy. | ||
| I believe that some of my preseason picks that I was enjoying and interested in seeing how they played out included Leroy and Norris, and they're both gone. | ||
| They're both gone immediately. | ||
| I have to rethink Everything about how I'm approaching this season. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I miss Ed from Philly. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| I get you. | ||
| Ed is great. | ||
| Ed is great. | ||
| It's good that Norris is gone. | ||
| As much as I love Norris. | ||
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But... | |
| I think... | ||
| Or it would have been good if Horacio was gone. | ||
| The two of them together on the show, not good. | ||
| You weren't interested in seeing a love story blossom. | ||
| Sick of their making out all the goddamn time. | ||
| They're free of each other talking about babies and now one of them can be a challenge monster. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And destroy everybody. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| And the other one can cheat like they're going to do so they don't have to worry about it later on in two years whenever they've, you know... | ||
| They're a challenge relationship! | ||
| Cheat! | ||
| So we got all the classics. | ||
|
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Yep. | |
| We got a pole wrestle. | ||
| We got a hall brawl. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| That was one of the more embarrassing hall brawls in the history of hall brawls. | ||
| What was happening when Olivia just decided to go back? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| That was crazy. | ||
| But I was watching it and I was thinking to myself, so the hall brawl, for those who have not watched the challenge, is a hallway. | ||
| An artificially created hallway. | ||
| We're supposed to run at each other. | ||
| And then one person comes out the other side and hits a bell and you get a point. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Do you think they practice this? | ||
| Because it's a classic game on the challenge. | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
| Do you think like at home or at their gym, they have like a... | ||
| Like a hall where they run down it? | ||
| I want to ask you this question, alright? | ||
| Do you think they practice any of these games? | ||
| You know, like, because American Ninja Warrior people build the whole course in their backyards and stuff. | ||
| Yeah, and now, like, on Survivor, it's becoming more common for people to 3D print the types of puzzles they use. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| Yeah, and so, like, do you have a fake hallway and you get used to running down? | ||
| Because I think that it's... | ||
| I think it's hard to run into somebody in a hallway. | ||
| And I think it's also just hard to run down a hallway. | ||
| You're not used to going that much of a straight line and gathering momentum. | ||
| I think it would be tough. | ||
| I think they must practice. | ||
| Yeah, well, I mean, I remember, because I played football when I was in the being a child years. | ||
| And yeah, that was just like a regular thing that we did as a drill. | ||
| Just run at each other and hit each other. | ||
| And that's why my neck is great. | ||
| But not in a hallway. | ||
| No, no, no, not in a hallway. | ||
| Although it was in some ways a mental hallway. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I mean, you had the sled that you'd run into. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| But this was for another person. | ||
| You don't have a hallway. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Anyway, excited for this season and what it may hold. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, I'm not excited about this episode. | ||
| Great. | ||
| I made a big mistake. | ||
| Oh, no! | ||
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Yeah. | |
| What did we do? | ||
| Do you mean starting the show? | ||
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No. | |
| Because we're years late on that one. | ||
| Yeah, it's too late for that. | ||
| But what I have prepared for us today is a mistake. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Jimmy Dore had Alex on. | ||
| Oh, goddammit. | ||
| Anyway, we'll talk about that, but before we do, let's say hello to some new wonks. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So first, I'm Rusty, I'm Audrey, I'm DZX, Clark W. Griswold. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
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Thank you very much! | |
| Next, Alex B. Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, Dan Levin. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| And Clyde the Wild Ride. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan. | ||
| So thank you so much, too. | ||
| DrewMoney420 says, Happy birthday, Jimbo. | ||
| Hope you stay sick as hell on account of that woke mind virus. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
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Four stars. | |
| Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. | ||
| Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. | ||
| Daddy Shark. | ||
| Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp. | ||
| Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. | ||
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He's a loser little titty baby. | |
| I don't want to hate black people. | ||
| I renounce Jesus Christ! | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| Yes, thank you very much. | ||
| So Jimmy Dore was, we've talked about him a little bit in the past. | ||
| Alex was on his show and it was embarrassing. | ||
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Sure. | |
| And a disaster. | ||
| And he was in town in Chicago for the DNC. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And he did a live show. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Yeah, he did a live show. | ||
| And it was called the, what is it? | ||
| Rumble Time with Jimmy. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Because it's on Rumble. | ||
| And his first guest was Alex. | ||
| He used to be a comic, you know? | ||
| He was. | ||
| He used to just do stand-up comedy. | ||
| We're going to get some good comedy on this. | ||
| I disagree. | ||
| We are. | ||
| This hilarity. | ||
| I was not really prepared for what I saw. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think I might give him and his world a little more credit than they deserve. | ||
| Yeah, that probably sounds right. | ||
| I think it's a bit more overtly just using right-wing talking points than I realized. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's pandery in a way that I thought maybe he, because I don't watch a ton of his show, I thought maybe he was above that a little bit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But nah, I don't think so. | ||
| So the panel is Jimmy. | ||
| He's hosting. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Steph Zamorano, the miserable liberal, as she calls herself. | ||
| Ross Dobular, who I have no idea who he is. | ||
| I've never heard of that. | ||
| Mike McRae, I have no idea who that is. | ||
| But one of them is an impressionist. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I know that. | ||
| But you'll never know which one, because we don't have the video. | ||
| One of them might be doing an impression of the other. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| They could be one guy. | ||
| And then there's Kurt Metzger, of course. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Comedian Kurt Metzger, who Jimmy introduces as Kurt Mexican, and he's wearing a LGBT CIA shirt. | ||
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Oh, God. | |
| Which was my first, like, okay, this is a red flag. | ||
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Oh, boy. | |
| This is no good. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| T-shirt-based humor should just disappear. | ||
| If it's a good joke, I'll give it a pass. | ||
| But that is a message. | ||
| In real life, perhaps. | ||
| But on a stage, you're making the choice to inflict that upon others. | ||
| And I find it disgusting. | ||
| So, yeah. | ||
| His show? | ||
| Live Chicago. | ||
| And it's interesting, because this title, Rumble Time with Jimmy Dore, it would suggest that maybe this is going to be a rumble. | ||
| Like, he's going to specifically have guests on that he would have a fight with, and that's where the entertainment's going to come from. | ||
| But he gets along great with Alex. | ||
| They've been on each other's show, and Jimmy's such a dopey idiot that he just lets Alex lie to his face regularly. | ||
| Doesn't matter. | ||
| The name Rumble Time is not actually about fighting or conflict or ideas or anything. | ||
| It's promotion for the streaming platform Rumble, which I suspect he has some sort of a deal with. | ||
| I get that Rumble's supposed to be this, like, outsider platform and all that, but it still comes off kind of losery to name your show after it. | ||
| Like the NBC News Hour is named after NBC and that's fine because it's the network that's running it. | ||
| But presumably with Jimmy, the point is supposed to be that the network isn't running this show. | ||
| Right. | ||
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And yet it's called Rumble. | |
| time. | ||
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And this seems desperate. | |
| This seems like desperate behavior. | ||
| It's like calling your show, your YouTube show, YouTube time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think some people have... | ||
| More or less called their shows that. | ||
| Yeah, I think you're right. | ||
| So, that's where we're at. | ||
| We're at rumble time. | ||
| We're at rumble time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And Alex is going to make an appearance. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Okay, we're about 30 seconds away from starting. | ||
| Should we just fucking start it? | ||
| Oh, Alex Jones will be here in about 10 minutes, so... | ||
| He's coming in on the Zoom. | ||
| He's coming in on the Zoom. | ||
| How's it going? | ||
| My dude impression. | ||
| Hey, you were supposed to introduce me as Jeff Bridges. | ||
| I was? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No one told me that. | ||
| I forgot to tell you. | ||
| Okay, we'll do a rambling introduction. | ||
| Oh! | ||
| Yes. | ||
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Boo! | |
| Hey. | ||
| You know this guy, man. | ||
| He's cool. | ||
| So Jeff Bridges was on that White Dudes for Kamala Harris. | ||
| Call, the fundraising call, and that's why they're making fun of him. | ||
| Because otherwise, I don't know why Jeff Bridges would be relevant. | ||
| I no longer understand any references that these people make. | ||
| And I don't think that this guy has a good Joseph Gordon-Levitt or Josh Gad, who are also on those calls. | ||
| I don't know if he does a good impression of them. | ||
| But you got Jeff Bridges, but he's the dude! | ||
| I mean, I bet he can't sing. | ||
| I strongly doubt this guy has the Gad voice. | ||
| I don't know a whole lot about Gad. | ||
| He does musicals? | ||
| He's got... | ||
| A fucking diamond in those pipes. | ||
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All right. | |
| Good to know. | ||
| Maybe I'll have to check out some of his movies. | ||
| No, you'll be fine. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So, this is kind of, like, I get the instinct of, like, hey, Alex will be here in ten minutes. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure. | ||
| But it feels like giving that to the crowd pretty early. | ||
| Of we've got this guy coming on who's exciting. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I don't know. | ||
| It feels unconfident. | ||
| So we start off and Jimmy's basically doing a little bit of like a monologue up top. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| He's doing some jokes. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's a live show. | ||
| We are officially rumble timing, right? | ||
| We're on? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I got a thumbs up from Roy. | ||
| Fantastic. | ||
| Hey, hello Chicago. | ||
| Welcome to the first Rumble Time with Jimmy Young. | ||
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Crowd's hot. | |
| It's already a party. | ||
| We're having a great time. | ||
| We already talked to a guy with cancer. | ||
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And... | |
| We're here in Chicago where, according to Democrats, the violent crime is declining. | ||
| We were supposed to have another guy on the panel, but he got shot on the way over. | ||
| So that's pretty classic late-night monologue structure for a joke. | ||
| You know, nothing wrong with that. | ||
| Nothing too edgy or ambitious, but it follows the way you introduce a concept, then negate it in a slightly unexpected way. | ||
| Saying someone on the panel couldn't make it because they got shot isn't the most unexpected twist, but at least it's the territory of how a comic would write a joke. | ||
| The goal of a monologue joke like this is to lampoon what's being passed off as a sincere message. | ||
| Like back when Domino's was saying, ah, we fucked up, our pizza's better now. | ||
| You might go on stage and say something like, they made their pizza better, they say that, but I called and ordered a large pepperoni, and you know what showed up? | ||
| A medium pie, no pepperoni, but a live pelican. | ||
| You're creating a bizarre image to delight the audience, and the point behind what you're saying is that they didn't make the pizza better. | ||
| They're telling you they did, but it's a premise that you just blindly accept because of marketing. | ||
| In this case, though, the point Jimmy's trying to make is a kind of... | ||
| Not really true, which is that it's a lie that crime is down in Chicago. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, no, it's down. | ||
| I'm not sure what Democrats Jimmy is citing who are saying that violent crime is down, but the reality of this is actually a pretty complicated question. | ||
| Data analyzed by the University of Chicago Crime Lab clearly shows that homicide is down year over year from 2021 to 22 to 23, and that non-fatal shootings have followed the same trajectory. | ||
| If you look at broader data from the Chicago Police Department statistics, you can see that there is an increase in aggravated batteries and theft, 10% and 6% respectively at the time I'm preparing this episode, and these represent challenges. | ||
| But the rhetoric of there's crime everywhere is it's aimed at appealing to the law and order type policies, which have a long history of trending toward right-wing interests and initiatives that lead that direction. | ||
| We can look at the numbers and say that our approach to policing isn't necessarily working and that's a fine position to hold. | ||
| But the big attack about Chicago is that everyone's getting shot and killed. | ||
| And Jimmy's joke is specifically that a member of the panel got shot, which is a crime that's down. | ||
| So the premise is flawed. | ||
| I mean, you know, it's hard to write a good joke about people getting shot. | ||
| I suppose maybe if you were to punch up at, like, the cops doing, what, like, 25% of the shootings? | ||
| But I think that that is supposed to be underneath it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think there is, I mean, obviously it's supposed to be a criticism of the system, not the people who are shooting people, I guess. | ||
| I think it'd be funnier if you called them Democrips. | ||
| Sure. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well... | ||
| They do do a Jesse, if that's your impression later. | ||
| Always funnier. | ||
| Always funnier to call them Democrips and Republicans. | ||
| I think that you're supposed to understand this as a criticism of the system. | ||
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Sure. | |
| But the whole Chicago is dangerous and full of crime thing is a bit lazy, and the framing of the joke is leading it in an intentional direction, and that is towards right-wing ideas about increased policing as opposed to... | ||
| You know, different strategies and approaches towards policing that maybe would be more effective. | ||
| I'm interested in that guy. | ||
| That guy who's really wanting to be the guy screaming, Oh, is it? | ||
| That guy? | ||
| I wasn't sure. | ||
| That might have been Metzger. | ||
| Not sure. | ||
| I was gonna say. | ||
| Actual crime rates don't reflect how, like... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Jimmy is playing into reassuring that bias instead of challenging it, which I feel is antithetical to the image that you want to cultivate as a firebrand truth-teller. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And so I feel like the construction of this is meant in a way to exacerbate the feelings that lead towards right-wing views of policing as opposed to the alternative. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Which I think you could tweak this joke in a way to make it. | ||
| Work as a more anti-authority thing, but I don't think it works. | ||
| No. | ||
| No, but, you know, it's like, he's clearly got an audience that is already in on the joke. | ||
| And, you know, in ultimate, really, they're just in on the rhythm of his language. | ||
| Like, it could have been anything. | ||
| Blah-da-da-da-da-da-da! | ||
| I think that they're more in on the right-winginess of it than I realize. | ||
| Yeah, I think you're right. | ||
| And hearing the audience respond the way they do to the things that Jimmy's saying made me realize, like, oh, there's a whole lot of just the same right-wing grievance kind of based shit. | ||
| So here he expands on this shooting thing. | ||
| You know, the Secret Service is in town this week. | ||
| They have their work cut out for them this week because when a shooting starts, they have to figure out if it's an assassination attempt or just a robbery or a carjacking or a gang war or a migrant squatter. | ||
| So the inclusion of migrant squatter at the end of this list should tell you all you really need to know about how Jimmy is on board with the right-wing anti-immigrant hysteria. | ||
| Putting that as the tag at the end of this list is a choice that's right at home on Rumble. | ||
| Now, that list of crimes he mentions are assassination attempt, robbery, carjacking, gang war, and migrant squatter. | ||
| A migrant squatter isn't necessarily a crime, and robberies and carjackings don't necessarily include guns, but okay, we can work with this list. | ||
| I'm not sure how many gang wars there have been in the past year, since I don't think that's a statistic that's well kept, but robbery and motor vehicle theft are actually two of the categories where the rates have gone down in 2024. | ||
| The last assassination attempt happened in rural Pennsylvania. | ||
| Two of these crime categories have gone down. | ||
| One is the plot of the Warriors, and the other is not a crime. | ||
| So like, he's pandering. | ||
| Yeah, because any bit about the Secret Service is going to have to wind up with counterfeiting. | ||
| Like, that's the joke of the Secret Service, is the inexplicability of them being tasked with protecting the president and also being like, hey, who's making fake money over here? | ||
| You know, like, that's where your bit goes, not like, because why would the Secret Service give a shit about a carjacking? | ||
| Well, I mean, in terms of the counterfeiting, it makes total sense. | ||
| Presidents are on money. | ||
| Oh, that is a good point. | ||
| You've got to protect the president at all costs. | ||
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Right. | |
| It makes total sense. | ||
| I don't know why you're confused. | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
| But Jimmy's construction of the joke is stupid and kind of belies a little bit of... | ||
| It's not funny. | ||
| That's not a good... | ||
| That's not a funny joke construction. | ||
| It breaks the rule of threes. | ||
| The fifth tag is the worst one because it doesn't even make any sense. | ||
| And the audience clearly was trying to laugh after the fourth one. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, they started hot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| At the beginning of the show, the audience is on board and ready for everything. | ||
| So that response is probably a little bit lukewarm. | ||
| On your second bit! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| So Nancy Pelosi, right? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Here's a bit about her. | ||
| Shit on her desk. | ||
| Let's go. | ||
| I don't know if this is true, but I heard if Biden wasn't going to drop out that Nancy Pelosi threatened to 25th Amendment him. | ||
| And she was going to switch out his doctors with Matthew Perry's doctors. | ||
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I don't know if you heard that. | |
| I started lubing up a hammer. | ||
| Matthew Perry had a great life. | ||
| He packed a lot of fun into those whatever. | ||
| 35 years. | ||
| What the fuck is happening? | ||
| 35? | ||
| He looked horrible. | ||
| I just thought he looked bad for his age. | ||
| That seems so mean for no reason. | ||
| What in God's name is going on here? | ||
| Matthew Perry had a really public struggle with drug addiction through his career. | ||
| He was 54 years old when he died. | ||
| And the story that Jimmy is riffing on is how ketamine dealers exploited his addiction for profit and have been charged. | ||
| In his death recently. | ||
| Is Matthew Perry a shitlib? | ||
| Was he part of planning the war in Ukraine? | ||
| Like, I have no idea why he's getting this kind of shit, but I think Kurt's little riff there in the middle should tell you a little bit of something. | ||
| Like, he's talking about Nancy Pelosi's husband being attacked by a right-wing media-addicted idiot wielding a hammer. | ||
| Lube up the haemur. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Talk about Nancy Pelosi. | ||
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Gotcha. | |
| That makes more sense. | ||
| Now I understood that part. | ||
| I was like, okay, all right. | ||
| So incidentally, that guy who attacked Nancy Pelosi's husband with a hammer is doing 30 years in prison for that assault and 20 years of a concurrent sentence for attempted kidnapping because that's what his plan was. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He was sure that the 2020 election had been stolen, so he was going to kidnap Nancy Pelosi and hold her hostage to get the truth revealed. | ||
| From a KQED news article about that dude's trial, quote, He told the jury he came across most of his newfound political ideas after listening to mostly right-wing political YouTubers for entire weekends at a time and a minimum of six hours per day on weekdays, including James Lindsay, Jimmy Dore, and Glenn Beck. | ||
| If I were named in that trial as one of the radicalizing influences of the perpetrator, I think I might think it's a good idea to just keep it out of the riff catalog. | ||
| Let's not go with Nancy Pelosi hammer jokes. | ||
| Man, this is wild because I don't know what funny is anymore. | ||
| I haven't been on stage for, or we've been on stage, but I haven't been on stage solo as a comic for a good four or five years? | ||
| Something like that? | ||
| And, uh, this is trash! | ||
| It's rough. | ||
| I think people, I thought people were better. | ||
| I thought people were good. | ||
| I think that there's the, um, no, I mean, look, so here's where I'll get defensive. | ||
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Sure. | |
| That... | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| The, like, I am, uh, I'm, Nancy Pelosi is like, you gotta step down or else we'll replace your doctors with Matthew Perry's doctors. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| That has the structure of a joke. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
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Right. | |
| It has the bare bones that you need to understand this is why he's making this joke. | ||
| This is what's behind it, where your mind's supposed to go. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| It's competent as a joke in that sense. | ||
|
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Sure. | |
| It's not funny. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's mean. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he flounders with, like, I just think he looks like shit for his age. | ||
|
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This is what... | |
| I'm saying! | ||
| He doesn't... | ||
| There's a shock value that I think he was hoping to get out of the, like, Matthew Perry's doctor reference. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Because it's distasteful and kind of being a dick. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| And he got a little bit of that, but then didn't know where to go with it. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, like... | ||
| But what I'm saying is just technical stuff and giving a fuck about what you're talking about. | ||
| If you're going to do that bit, like, oh, Nancy Pelosi threatened to use the 25th Amendment and she hired Matthew Perry's doctors. | ||
| She's not telling him anything. | ||
| She's got that in her back pocket. | ||
| So it's that kind of thing. | ||
| Why not threaten to use the 25th Amendment if he couldn't pass a test by Matthew Perry's doctors? | ||
| Something like that. | ||
| Maybe where it's not like... | ||
| Because Matthew Perry becomes like a butt of this joke in a way that he's the victim of these doctors. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It's mean. | ||
| It's wild. | ||
| Because if you hire the doctors, then you're not saying like, oh, it's Matthew Perry's fault. | ||
| You're saying, these are murder doctors. | ||
| Instead of like, and now we're going to switch them out for Matthew Perry. | ||
| That makes it sound like... | ||
| Yeah, it seems weird. | ||
| Yeah, it's fucking wrong, man. | ||
| So what do you think about Tim Walls? | ||
| What do you think... | ||
| Our boy Jimmy thinks about Tim Walz. | ||
| Let's see what the worst bit in the world is. | ||
| Did you hear about this? | ||
| Did you hear he shook his wife's hand? | ||
| Did you hear this? | ||
| Did you see this? | ||
| So when Tim Walz was accepting his nomination to be vice president, he shook his wife's hand. | ||
| Now, I don't want to judge somebody, but even the male boxer from the Olympics was like, hey, something's off about that guy. | ||
| Do you think he has two balls hidden above his vagina? | ||
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What? | |
| Even Kamala's Indian mother was saying, I could have arranged a better marriage than that. | ||
| So this is pretty shocking. | ||
| Not because it's, like, edgy or anything, but because of how thin the facade has become. | ||
| Yeah, that is wild! | ||
| That's just... | ||
| If you look at that joke, what's happened to the real world is that Walls shook his wife's hand, which isn't an affectionate enough display for Dor, apparently. | ||
| Sure, that's fine. | ||
| The angle he's taking is that Walls is maybe gay because he shook his wife's hand, and then, as the punchline, Jimmy signals to the transphobic hysteria that broke out in the right wing about the Algerian boxer, Iman Khalif. | ||
| There's no pretense here. | ||
| Jimmy's just doing right-wing grievance comedy. | ||
|
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Yeah! | |
| His opening monologue is hitting all of the hot-button culture war issues that you might hear about on any of these right-wing shows or all over social media, and I kind of struggle to see what makes this perspective any different. | ||
| Like, what is he doing that's any different? | ||
| What I don't understand about it is because this is the thing that I've noticed with this concept of, like, right-wing comedy, is, like, they just say the thing that was on Fox News, but then go, huh? | ||
| Like, that's it. | ||
| It's the same words with a different tone. | ||
| And people laugh because they're like, I remember hearing that from the Fox News guy! | ||
| You know? | ||
| And it's... | ||
| I don't understand where the bit is. | ||
| Well, I think, um, so Kamala's mom is Indian, and sometimes they're arranged marriages in Indian culture. | ||
| That one's not terrible. | ||
| That makes sense, at least. | ||
| So Kamala's mom could have arranged a better marriage between Tim Walz's wife and Tim Walz. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Better partners for either of them, because Tim Walz isn't affectionate enough because he shook her hand. | ||
| See, but that part doesn't make sense. | ||
| And then maybe he's gay or a woman or something? | ||
| I mean, because you can tighten it down and you can be like, oh, they shook hands, probably because they are cold in bed or something. | ||
| Kamala's mom could have arranged a better marriage. | ||
| That at least has the structure and it makes sense like that. | ||
| I have no idea where balls come in. | ||
| And again, it's just like, I'm saying the male boxer thing that you hear from the other places so you laugh as though that's the joke. | ||
| Yeah, it also just doesn't hit, because he shook his wife's hand, but he also hugged her and kissed her, and Mike Pence already was weird. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| He already did kind of the standoffish cold with his wife. | ||
| The last time around there was already this. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It just doesn't ring. | ||
| It doesn't hit. | ||
| Bad monologue joke. | ||
| This is a thing that gets me. | ||
| I might be a bad person because I will forgive a lot if the joke is good. | ||
| The lucky thing about that is that I just don't have to forgive the right wing. | ||
| They don't have good jokes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You can make up a lot if there's a fair amount of craft, and it's just not present. | ||
| I've seen people be real pieces of shit in all different kinds of ways, but they were fucking funny, man. | ||
| They were fucking funny. | ||
| And this is not. | ||
| This is not. | ||
| No. | ||
| So I realized at a certain point that what was going on was that Jimmy was doing his opening monologue, and then he was sort of playing some clips from TikTok. | ||
| And complaining about them. | ||
| And I kind of thought, like, isn't this what his show is? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Why is it Rumble Time? | ||
| It's Rumble Time. | ||
| Episode 1, when this is just kind of the same thing as his show. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Anyway, the Riff Train is chugging along because they found a clip of a person who's a doctor on TikTok saying that it's not necessarily bad if you're overweight. | ||
| It's maybe not the most important thing for your health. | ||
| You can be healthy if you're overweight. | ||
| And guess what? | ||
| Not everybody has to be healthy. | ||
| It is not a moral failure of some kind. | ||
| So anyway, they're all like, oh. | ||
| Live your fucking life. | ||
| They're very upset about this. | ||
| And then I would say that the rift train goes a little bit off the tracks. | ||
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Uh-oh. | |
| I think this doctor's making a killing off Ozempic. | ||
| That's what I think. | ||
| I think she's like a doctor who... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| Was this before the Paris summer Ozempics that we just had? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| Boo! | ||
| Boo! | ||
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Not yet? | |
| Okay. | ||
| He'll give me a flash when Alex is on? | ||
| Okay, Alex Jones is stiffing us right now. | ||
| We'll see what happens. | ||
| It's okay. | ||
| I have it coming. | ||
| I kind of stiffed him once. | ||
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Anyway. | |
| Someone in the audience yells, we're here for you. | ||
| That made me very sad. | ||
| That is sad. | ||
| That is sad. | ||
| Alex isn't on the Zoom when he's supposed to. | ||
| Rift Train has totally derailed and come to a stop. | ||
| Combined with Nevermind and the Summer Ozempics. | ||
| It's a pun. | ||
| That is tragic. | ||
| Yeah, and the reassurance from the audience is nice, but it felt bad. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| It felt very empty. | ||
| I do not want reassurance from the audience because that means I need assurance from the audience. | ||
| That's the wrong need to have if you're on a stage. | ||
| It's a bad place to be. | ||
| I kind of, I agree, but I kind of think it's sweet. | ||
| For that person. | ||
| Oh yeah, I see what you're saying. | ||
| But it's also indicative of things not being where they need to be. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Damning with faint praise doesn't do that justice. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So we get another TikTok clip that Jimmy is upset about. | ||
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Jesus Christ. | |
| Another person on TikTok. | ||
| I wish I was older, but somehow he's older than me and he's playing TikTok clips. | ||
|
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Yes. | |
| Christ! | ||
| And so this clip has to do with a woman who wanted some money. | ||
| From another parent. | ||
|
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Sure. | |
| Because they had a play date and there were expenses. | ||
|
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Okay. | |
| So this pisses Jimmy the fuck up. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Some people saw this already. | ||
| It sounds like some people saw this. | ||
| So she's going to talk about play dates with her kids and, well, buckle up. | ||
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We normalize sending the other family money for play dates. | |
| So recently my daughter had a friend over and I asked her mom for money and this is how it went. | ||
| So after the play date, I text her mom and I said, thanks for letting Jamie play today. | ||
| Please help out with your share of the expenses for the play date, totaling $15 via them. | ||
| Let's do it again sometime. | ||
| So she wanted her friend to pay $15 because she hosted her kid at a play date. | ||
| And I don't know, can you imagine needing $15 this bad and not being addicted to crack? | ||
| Isn't Jimmy supposed to be really empathetic to the financial concerns of working people? | ||
| Isn't he supposed to understand that economic pressures are serious right now and people are struggling to get through? | ||
| Why is he specifically allotting time on his show to mock someone who's just saying that it would be nice if parents shared the expenses when their children hung out together? | ||
| It's pretty implied that she's also saying that she would happily send this other parent $15 if her kid went over there and there were some kind of expenses. | ||
| This really doesn't make sense as something that needs to be mocked. | ||
| It's just some person on TikTok, so who cares? | ||
| But even if you decide to care, the thing she's suggesting isn't that crazy. | ||
| Maybe you believe that the host should always take on all expenses. | ||
| That's a fine position to take. | ||
| And I would have no problem with Jimmy arguing that. | ||
| If he's like, it's your house, you pay for whatever when the kids come over. | ||
| But it's such a weird angle for him to be like, how bad do you need $15 unless you're on crack? | ||
| Right? | ||
| Like, what are you doing? | ||
| I have needed $15 so bad in so many different reasons and so many different times in my life. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I know this shit that he's doing now is pretty lucrative, and so he's probably very disconnected from what that's like. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| But mocking the idea of it is pretty fucking antithetical to what he's supposed to believe. | ||
| That is fucking... | ||
| I can't imagine not getting the idea that if somebody needs $15, that's a more important person than you. | ||
| I mean, it's just mean, too. | ||
| It's not like this person did anything to him. | ||
| It's just a random person from TikTok. | ||
| It's the same thing with the Matthew Perry thing. | ||
| It's like, this is mean. | ||
| What? | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| I think they go on to play more of this, and there are some things that are kind of mockable about what she's claiming as expenses. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So, like, she says a dollar for wear and tear on the couch, which is kind of bullshit. | ||
| But then there's other things that are, like, things that were consumed and stuff like that. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| And it makes sense why, like, you would want, like, everyone to share expenses. | ||
| It makes sense. | ||
| It's not that weird. | ||
| The thing that's mockable is some of the specifics of the expenses. | ||
| But the premise itself is, like, you would start going down this road and then be like, eh, it's not worth it. | ||
| Whatever fun you can get out of the wear and tear on the couch or whatever, that kind of idea, it's not worth the walk to get there. | ||
| Because in order to get there, you have to mock the premise of people needing $15 and they must be crackheads or else it's not okay to be poor. | ||
| It's just weird. | ||
| Right. | ||
| This is an unusual person with an unusual request. | ||
| That's why you're watching it in the first place. | ||
| You wouldn't be watching this TikTok. | ||
| This TikTok wouldn't have come to your attention if it were a usual person. | ||
| So that's already disqualifying towards you being like, why does this person... | ||
| No, this is a very specific person. | ||
| There's no need for you to generalize whatsoever. | ||
| But even still, if you are going to generalize, what makes... | ||
| This generalization's funny is when you are specific. | ||
| That's how you get to that generalization without being just a dick who's like, hey, have you seen that this group of people does this? | ||
| You go like, ah, this is a person who has $1 worth of wear and tear on her couch. | ||
| What costs what for wear and tear? | ||
| What if I came on her couch? | ||
| How much does that cost me? | ||
| I'll give you about 20 bucks for that. | ||
| They do get to the J.D. Vance of it all. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yeah, you get there eventually. | ||
| Yeah, and that is where there can be some fun, which is like line items on the invoice. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I think, yeah, how much is wear and tear? | ||
| That's kind of fine territory for a joke. | ||
| But in order to get there, you have to mock the premise of this person having a financial hardship. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And it's, I don't know. | ||
| No, it doesn't make sense. | ||
| It doesn't make sense. | ||
| No. | ||
| So anyway, something else that doesn't make a whole lot of sense is Andrew Cuomo. | ||
| They're complaining a lot about Andrew Cuomo. | ||
| Are we dead? | ||
| We're doing it, we get an impression in this clip. | ||
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I do, Jimmy. | |
| I remember that very well. | ||
| I was going to be the next president of the United States, but someone else had other plans. | ||
| So, he gave this speech, and this is one of the most pandering, unbelievable, I'll display it for you, let's enjoy it. | ||
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And that as a New Yorker, I am a Muslim. | |
| And as a New Yorker, I am Jewish. | ||
| And as a New Yorker, I am a refugee. | ||
| And as a New Yorker, I am black. | ||
| Oh no! | ||
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Yeah! | |
| Are you kidding me? | ||
| You can't fucking say you're black. | ||
| What? | ||
| You cannot do that as a rich white guy of privilege your whole life. | ||
| The son of a governor. | ||
| I am black. | ||
| No, you can't say that! | ||
| He's a black refugee, Jimmy. | ||
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It's different. | |
| This is fun and all, but that was a speech that Cuomo gave in 2017. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| And it was at a press conference in response to Trump's attempt to bar people from seven Muslim-majority countries from coming to the United States. | ||
| That impression was fire, though. | ||
| I mean, hey, listen. | ||
| If these guys are ready, I am also ready to dust off that Monica Lewinsky material, buddy. | ||
| We're close. | ||
| It's time. | ||
| We are quite close. | ||
| 30 years, about time to bring it back. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| And the premise of this bit seems to be, oh, aren't... | ||
| The woke scold's gonna be mad about this, but you're imagining people being mad about it to be mad about. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's a fairly innocuous sentiment to express. | ||
| If you're a New Yorker, then it transcends... | ||
| Other stuff. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There's a connection that we have despite differences because we're New Yorkers. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| It's like that scene in Spider-Man. | ||
| Yeah, totally. | ||
| It is so bad. | ||
| He's just doing that. | ||
| Are you mad at Spider-Man? | ||
| No, he's mad at the imaginary people who are mad about this. | ||
| They won't let Cuomo say something like this. | ||
| Fuck Cuomo. | ||
| I'm fine with that. | ||
| What are we doing? | ||
| Or the complaint is that it's pandery. | ||
| And maybe. | ||
| But it's also not. | ||
| It's also from 2017. | ||
| It's a fucking speech from a politician. | ||
| What do you expect? | ||
| Hard-hitting facts? | ||
| Eh, maybe. | ||
| I think it's just basically fodder for the riff train. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| Keep the riff train rolling. | ||
| This is awful. | ||
|
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And as a New Yorker, I am poor. | |
| All right. | ||
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That's fair. | |
| That is fair. | ||
| As a New Yorker, I am a bullshitter. | ||
| Listen, your money doesn't go a long way in New York. | ||
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I can tell you that. | |
| And as a New Yorker, I am homeless. | ||
| That's true also. | ||
| As a New Yorker, I am poor and homeless because my governor cut Medicaid funding right before a pandemic. | ||
| No, I'm homeless because I got kicked out of the governor's mansion. | ||
| And as a New Yorker, I am an elderly person that I killed. | ||
| As a New Yorker, I stand on my yacht, flipping off poor people. | ||
| Fuck you! | ||
| So they really made a meal out of this seven-year-old Cuomo clip, which seems relevant. | ||
| But the larger issue I have is that Jimmy is so indignant there at the end about Cuomo mocking the poor from his yacht. | ||
| But he just spent his own time on stage shitting on a random person on TikTok who suggested parents share the financial burdens of hosting playdates for their kids. | ||
| He's literally mocking the idea of not having $15 to spare as something that only makes sense if you're on crack. | ||
| He has no coherent position here. | ||
| It's all just bluster. | ||
| And sure, shitting on Cuomo's fun, and I have no interest in defending him, but Jimmy lacks a core here. | ||
| There's no point to this. | ||
| There's no point of view. | ||
| They also seem to be mocking Cuomo from 2017 about decisions he made in 2020, which I guess is why it's important to pretend that this video is current and that's why you're upset about it, but I think it just maybe made the rounds on right-wing social media. | ||
| I just... | ||
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What are those riffs, man? | |
| Y 'all supposed to be funny. | ||
| You're all supposed to have been doing this for a long time. | ||
|
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Yep. | |
| I think there's just more anger, maybe. | ||
| I mean, it's... | ||
| I get it. | ||
| It's hard to be funny. | ||
| It's hard. | ||
| I'm not gonna be funny because I'm terrible, but I mean, this is just tragic. | ||
| There's some problems. | ||
| But thankfully, business picks up about an hour in. | ||
| Oh my god, an hour in? | ||
| Alex was supposed to be there in ten minutes! | ||
| I know, but he shows up about an hour in. | ||
| And so Jimmy kisses his ass a little bit in the introduction. | ||
| Well, ladies and gentlemen, we've come to that magical moment where our guest has arrived, and everybody's excited, I'm sure. | ||
| The most censored man in all of social media, the man who is a... | ||
| He is like Kreskin in a soothsayer. | ||
| Everything he says at some point comes true. | ||
| He's about ten and a half million times more accurate than CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, and New York Times. | ||
| Let's hear it for the one and the only, Alex Jones is here, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
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Can you see me? | |
| Can you see me, brother? | ||
| Well, I want to be on with you, but... | ||
| Alex, can you turn on your video? | ||
| Do you know how to do... | ||
| Yeah, you know, I've been trying to connect for a while, but I'm too stupid. | ||
| You know, like you said, I make all the predictions, but I can't... | ||
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I can't seem to do that. | |
| I've been trying to do it here for about ten minutes. | ||
| Sorry I'm late. | ||
| Can you turn Alex on the monitor? | ||
| Because I can't hear him. | ||
| Here he is. | ||
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My bad. | |
| You got me. | ||
| I missed him. | ||
| My bad. | ||
| There he is. | ||
| What a buildup you gave me. | ||
| Yeah, so we got Rex for a second, and then Alex is sort of choppy, cutting it out. | ||
| But he's there. | ||
| They got him. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| They got him. | ||
| The soothsayer. | ||
| I think being on a screen on stage is my nightmare. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like, that combination of being trapped in a weird little room by yourself and the pressure of trying to make a large group of people laugh who you will then not receive the laughs from? | ||
| Yeah, it's awful. | ||
| Yeah, that's awful. | ||
| Yeah, but apparently, Alex spent all his travel budget on going to California to pretend to cover Bohemian Grove, so he couldn't come to Chicago for the DNC. | ||
| Yeah, there is that. | ||
| So, yeah, that's nightmarish. | ||
| I agree with you. | ||
| And also, I don't know how to deal with the way that Jimmy's introducing him. | ||
| Like, is that a joke? | ||
| What is Rumble Time? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| Is the joke supposed to be that Alex is... | ||
| We're saying he's 10 million times more right than all these other places because you're supposed to understand that he's not. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But I don't think that's the case. | ||
| No. | ||
| I mean, hyperbole is generally... | ||
| I like to engage in hyperbole in order to demonstrate the opposite of something being true. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Otherwise, I would just say an accurate thing. | ||
| Otherwise, you know, it's a waste of everybody's time. | ||
| In this case, I think it's hyperbole meant to just be like, you're supposed to believe he's ten times more accurate than the... | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| It's strange. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| So here's where we start with their little interview session. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I wanted to ask, I wanted to get your take. | ||
| You know, I just saw the new release body cam from Trump's assassination attempt. | ||
| And did you see that where the one police officer was saying, aren't we all on the same frequency? | ||
| I warned you, there was a guy up here. | ||
| How come nobody did anything? | ||
| Let me just get your take on all that. | ||
| What do you think actually happened at Trump's assassination? | ||
| Well, it was 100% a total stand-down. | ||
| On record, we know that now. | ||
| You have all these coincidences lining up like this. | ||
| We've had the deep state openly saying they want to kill Trump. | ||
| And, you know, the fact is their patchy failed. | ||
| So they are just in complete and absolute total panic mode right now and just don't know what to do. | ||
| But, yeah, I mean, you add it all together. | ||
| You have the Secret Service deputy head, who's now the head. | ||
| It turns out I was in charge of never sending the actual security team that actually commanded and controls the Secret Service and the police. | ||
| So they didn't send the brains to the operation. | ||
| So I guess since Jimmy introduced Alex the way he did, he must really want his audience to view everything he says as accurate. | ||
| Alex has always proven right about everything and is a psychic, the most trustworthy source for information around. | ||
| In the context of this introduction, unless you take it as a joke, every question could basically be rephrased as, tell my gathered followers the secrets about this topic. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If you're establishing Alex the way that Jimmy did in the intro, aren't you kind of stupid if you then disagree with anything he says? | ||
| It has to be that. | ||
| Like, I get it. | ||
| It's fun to pretend that Alex is some kind of a prophet, but you know if you sign on to this premise, you're signing on to theocratic end times fascism, right? | ||
| I mean, like, you... | ||
| This is what you're endorsing. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| And yeah, the Secret Service wasn't on the same radios as the local police, it turns out. | ||
| It's a fuck-up that's been reported on where the local police offered radios for the Secret Service to pick up, but they failed to do so. | ||
| It's unclear if this is something that's happened before, but has never been an issue until now, or if it's a huge anomaly, but it's not the smoking gun that this whole thing was a setup, the way that Alex and Jimmy are presenting it as. | ||
| Like, I was reading an article about it, and I'm like, oh yeah, that makes total sense. | ||
| It's like, you can't just let there be one... | ||
| Yeah, that's not how it works. | ||
| Radio band that everything is on. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Because then everybody can hear it. | ||
| Yeah, it's like, oh, wait, that makes total sense. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Super special encrypted radio for you. | ||
| And yeah, you can't just let anyone into one. | ||
| It's much more complicated than it appears to be. | ||
| But if you just look at it from a really superficial level, it's like, ah, why weren't they all in the same little hole? | ||
| I have a question. | ||
| Is the comedy portion over, or was it always supposed to be? | ||
| Never this. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| Like, what is this show supposed to be? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, like, I obviously don't think that the beginning comedy portion was not going to happen. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I think maybe most of that was supposed to happen after Alex, because they do get back to that after he leaves. | ||
| But I think, I don't know. | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| This is an interview segment, for sure. | ||
| Yeah, so this is our just totally straight-faced interview segment, but we've been funny and derogatory towards all these people, so we've got that context. | ||
| Now we've got Alex fucking Jones there, which to me is like, there's only one way to combine those two, which is to say that we're going to make fun of Alex Jones. | ||
| It could be. | ||
| I mean, it would be a way to go about it. | ||
| Another way to go about it would be... | ||
| Get Alex's take on how ugly Matthew Perry was. | ||
| Get Alex in on the beating up people unnecessarily. | ||
| Oh, God, no, that's the last thing we need, more riffing. | ||
| No, I think it's, hey, this is an interesting guy. | ||
| It'll excite this live audience. | ||
| Where are we? | ||
| Chicago. | ||
| No, I mean, where are we in Chicago? | ||
| What's the venue? | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| It's on Halstead somewhere. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| But I think it is just a straight-up interview. | ||
| So this guy was totally protected. | ||
| He was trained at a major Homeland Security training facility that trains Homeland Security. | ||
| He was there, you know, 40 plus times. | ||
| So yeah, I mean, when you have all these coincidences all lining up the same way, they're not a coincidence. | ||
| And so what do you make that they already burned his body? | ||
| Yeah, they criminated his body. | ||
| And notice there were no press conferences. | ||
| So, like, the whole thing here is laundering Alex as a prophet, and that he's right about stuff and taking him seriously. | ||
| Like, if you're one of Jimmy's fans and you hear Alex say the shooter was trained at a Homeland Security facility, you've already been told by Jimmy that this dude sees the future and he's always proven right about stuff, so this must be a big deal. | ||
| I bet you'd imagine some kind of documents that Alex has about the program where this guy was trained at a military installation or some kind of base. | ||
| He wouldn't just make this kind of claim about meaningless pieces of trivia. | ||
| But that's exactly what he's doing. | ||
| Being trained at a Homeland Security facility is a claim that Alex can back up by showing that the shooter went to the Clarion Sportsman Club, that 2,000-plus member shooting range, which also has law enforcement agencies use it for shooting training from time to time. | ||
| This is the most inconsequential piece of evidence that's being used to make a very unsupported claim, and Jimmy has more or less insisted that the audience should blindly accept Alex's version of the story. | ||
| Crooks' body, the shooter, was turned over to his family, as is pretty much always the case with these sorts of things. | ||
| The police and FBI collected and processed the evidence they needed, and then ten days later, he was released to the family so they could do what they needed to do for themselves. | ||
| This is all normal, but the whole thing that Alex and Jimmy are responding to is based on Representative Clay Higgins deciding he should go to Butler and poke around the site and play detective for himself. | ||
| When he found that the body was gone, he made a big stink about it, and idiots like Alex and Jimmy are turning it into proof of a cover-up. | ||
| This is nonsense. | ||
| So his body was cremated because the family decided to, because the FBI released the body to the family. | ||
| It's nonsense. | ||
| I mean, so what they would prefer is that he was buried, so then they could exhume him, presumably, and that would be dramatic. | ||
| Right? | ||
| I mean, I guess they'd probably find a way to have a problem with that, too. | ||
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Right. | |
| Because the family probably wouldn't allow them to. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So why is it because it's a cover-up? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, everything that, every little piece of detail that conforms to your conclusion is evidence and it's exaggerated into being smoking guns. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And anything that is inconvenient is just proof of how elaborate the cover-up is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, when you can never, ever prove anything is a false flag, like Alex. | ||
| That's just a testament to how good they are at covering up false flags. | ||
| It's perfect. | ||
| It's a great system. | ||
| They know that bodies decompose. | ||
| I mean, sure, but how long do you keep it in the freezer? | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Like, how long do you get to keep the body in the freezer before you're like, hey, we got the attempted assassin guy. | ||
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Are we going to send him home at a certain point in time? | |
| Well, weeks later, if somebody decides that they want to do their own little investigation. | ||
| That's not how that works. | ||
| You'll Poirot this thing. | ||
| No! | ||
| Then it turns out any time before that is too early. | ||
| That seems crazy to me! | ||
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It does. | |
| Just what do you want? | ||
| I want you to freeze this body so anybody at any point in time in the future can randomly go, ha ha, the fingernail! | ||
| Well, because everyone is entitled to do their own investigation. | ||
| I mean, that is true. | ||
| Of every crime. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Obviously, we all know that. | ||
| I've seen Law& Order. | ||
| It's wild. | ||
| That is crazy. | ||
| So, the topic of Biden comes up, of course. | ||
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| And so Jimmy asks him a little question. | ||
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| So, do you have any inside info on what happened with Biden and his reported medical emergency in Las Vegas? | ||
| Well, I was told, well, Charlie Kirk told people that I know, like, the day it happened there had been a medical emergency, and then weeks later it came out that there was a medical emergency, and then Biden was flown to Delaware for seven, eight days, wasn't seen. | ||
| And then now Pelosi's covered her butt and said, well, I saw the letter from Biden. | ||
| The resignation didn't look like it was from him. | ||
| Well, it didn't even have a presidential seal. | ||
| The signature was saying. | ||
| So it looks to me, I mean, I speculate that they didn't give him the drugs normally on, or they slipped him something, or he had a real medical emergency or he had some medical problems, and then they just basically held him until he agreed. | ||
| When he showed up seven days later, he kind of shuffled on to Air Force One in Delaware, and they said, "Well, why did you stand down? | ||
| Why are you giving up?" And he said he didn't even agree to it. | ||
| And now he's on interviews and said he was basically forced out by the Democratic Party. | ||
| So, I mean, we can talk about the evidence of killing the election all along, but you can still debate that. | ||
| But you can't debate that Kamala Harris got as many votes in the primaries as Toronto and McDonald. | ||
| So Jimmy asking the question, like, hey, what are your inside secret info about this? | ||
| The question presupposes that he's willing to believe that Alex has some of that information, which is already starting off on the wrong foot. | ||
| You shouldn't even trust Alex to accurately convey publicly available information, let alone mysterious behind-the-scenes gossip that he's probably just getting from social media. | ||
| So on July 5th, noted bigot and loser Laura Loomer posted on Twitter that Biden had a medical emergency on board Air Force One. | ||
| There's no evidence that this was the case, but it was exciting. | ||
| So people reposted it, and it went around. | ||
| People denied Loomer's bullshit, but she shot back that it was all true because Biden was canceling events mysteriously. | ||
| The event that he canceled was a July 7th National Education Association staff union meeting, which he decided not to attend after the union announced it was going on strike. | ||
| It was solidarity and not crossing a picket line that canceled that event, not this medical emergency. | ||
| Biden still did other events in the same time frame, but it doesn't matter. | ||
| The narrative stuck with the right-wing dipshit crowd, and they all kind of just ran with it. | ||
| There are some real problems with Alex's timeline that he's presenting here. | ||
| So this was on July 5th when this was supposed to have happened, which is easy to get conflated with July 17th, which is when Biden announced that he tested positive for COVID, which is also easy to get mixed up with July 21st, which is when he announced he was stepping aside in the 2024 race. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| In order for Alex's premise to have any plausibility, they would need to have been drugging up and holding Biden hostage from the 5th to about the 21st, demanding that he step down or else. | ||
| And that didn't happen. | ||
| There was a NATO summit. | ||
| Yeah, there was that whole thing that he was there for. | ||
| Yeah, and Alex covered on his fucking show. | ||
| Also, Alex references that Pelosi said a particular letter didn't sound like Biden. | ||
| He wants you to think that she was talking about the letter where Biden dropped out of the race. | ||
| In the real world, Pelosi was talking about a prior statement that Biden had released, signaling his intention to stay in the race. | ||
| That's the one that she said didn't sound like him. | ||
| Alex is playing a little bit of a... | ||
| Right. | ||
| Slight of hand here. | ||
| He's mixing up these details because what really happened is meaningless to him. | ||
| Jimmy is encouraging his free-thinking-oriented audience to engage with reality the same way Alex does, which is pretty sad and not connected to anything. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's fun. | ||
| I don't understand. | ||
| I suppose I just don't understand. | ||
| Like, I mean, okay, maybe it's just like we got to fill content somehow, you know, but like Biden's... | ||
| What are we doing? | ||
| What are we doing still? | ||
| What are they doing talking about Biden? | ||
| Like, you're wasting all of your time and energy, man. | ||
| Because they're afraid that there's a decent chance that Kamala will win, and they need to invalidate her presidency somehow. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And they're trying everything. | ||
| They're trying the, she wasn't born here, birthed her stuff. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| They're trying, she stole the nomination. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But, I mean, like, who cares? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| For them. | ||
| They're not talking to me. | ||
| They're talking to their crowd. | ||
| No, they're laying track in advance for bullshit, trivial Senate inquiries down the road if Harris wins in order to clog up the system and make sure that nothing gets done. | ||
| That's the kind of thing that these narratives serve. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I think. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I'm not entirely sure what Jimmy's interest in all this is outside of, like, Alex is a lightning rod for attention, so I'll get some of that. | ||
| I mean, did people go to this venue to hear an interview with Alex? | ||
| Well, one person yelled, we came to see you, so I assume they came to see Jimmy Dore. | ||
| Yeah, like, I just don't understand, like, tell me, I understand it. | ||
| If there's a good story, like, Biden's actually been dead for two years, this is a clone, he's plumping, like, any number of different exciting things, you know? | ||
| If there's a health emergency, that's when they switched him out for the real one, or the not real one, or whatever. | ||
| Well, Metzger seems to think that there's a couple of Bidens. | ||
| See, that's great. | ||
| That's fine, because then I guess it's just a fun thing to talk about. | ||
| But if it's like an attack on the political system, like, you're late! | ||
| It is late! | ||
| You're a month late, man! | ||
| I think that you could almost take a really, really cynical approach to Jimmy having Alex on the show. | ||
| I think that, you know, obviously when Alex has been on Rogan or when he's done Tucker Carlson, you know, you do see a huge boost in these kinds of numbers. | ||
| And it's the first episode of Rumble Time. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I think that you probably have an expectation that, like, okay, this will work well in my advantage. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then Alex, like, it's obvious what his agenda is. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So I think that they're using each other, kind of. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I just, man... | ||
| I wish that their agenda was similar to ours insofar as it should be to put on a good show. | ||
| Yeah, they didn't do that. | ||
| It doesn't feel like they're trying. | ||
| No, it's not a good show. | ||
| But there's the appearance of trying to make some agenda overlap. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And I think that that's where I find any kind of interestingness in this. | ||
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| Because Jimmy does have this brand of, like, I'm attacking from the left. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| But he's not. | ||
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No. | |
| He's very much not. | ||
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No. | |
| His co-host is sitting there in an LGBT CIA shirt. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| They're making transphobic jokes. | ||
| Everything is incredibly about exclusion of folks. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| There's beating up on people for their poverty. | ||
| Like, this is not a politics that I associate with the left at all. | ||
| But there is a feeling of that is where he's supposed to be coming from. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so I think that there's an attempt at that, but it's very dissonant. | ||
| It's just wild, because they're just regular-ass 1950s racists. | ||
| I don't understand. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I feel bad for the people who wanted to go see a show. | ||
| I think they got what they wanted. | ||
| You're probably right. | ||
| So there's a couple moments that I think are really interesting that transcend how stupid both of these people are and how dumb this conversation is. | ||
| And this is one of them. | ||
| And it's Jimmy asking Alex, hey, Trump didn't do any of the shit that you wanted him to do. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So you support him. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Do you actually think he's going to do any of the shit that you want him to do? | ||
| Good question. | ||
| Right. | ||
| When Trump actually was president... | ||
| It seems to me he didn't do many of the things he said he was going to do. | ||
| He didn't give everybody health care he said he would. | ||
| He didn't bring back jobs to America like he said he would. | ||
| He didn't drain the swamp. | ||
| In fact, what he did was he put them all in his goddamn cabinet, right? | ||
| So, and he didn't pardon Snowden. | ||
| He didn't pardon Julian Assange and he didn't release the JFK files and he didn't lock up Hillary Clinton or prosecute any of those people. | ||
| He didn't do anything, he said. | ||
| So, what do you think if he becomes president? | ||
| Do you think that he's going to do any of those things in his second term? | ||
| Look, I'm not giving Trump a pass. | ||
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Yes, you are. | |
| He's not from the Washington machine. | ||
| He was open about how, as a major real estate owner, he gave money to both parties. | ||
| And he was very, very ignorant, naive when he came in. | ||
| Then when these politicians and politicos lied to him and said that they were going to be loyal and do what he wanted, that they were actually that. | ||
| So he pulled from the system. | ||
| And, I mean, I think now he's going to be different, but certainly Trump has major blind spots. | ||
| He supported Operation Warp Speed, the Poison Shots, and, you know, all the rest of it. | ||
| So I'm not, I don't think Trump is some panacea here. | ||
| But permanent Washington, the Republican and Democrat establishment, does not like Trump. | ||
| Because he's an outsider. | ||
| You know, Nixon had big problems, but the system got rid of him because he tried to be president. | ||
| And so the permanent bureaucracy doesn't like presidents. | ||
| They're actually presidents. | ||
| They like puppets, you know, like a Biden who doesn't even know what planet he's on. | ||
| So they can do whatever they want and then just use a front man, you know, become an empty suit as a placeholder. | ||
| Now, Kamala Harris is a perfect example of that. | ||
| So I don't think people worship Trump. | ||
| I didn't believe the whole Q thing, that he was invincible, and there's all these good guys in government. | ||
| And I think we're in the latter stage of the decay of an empire right now. | ||
| And I do think Trump is better on cutting back on war than the Democrats and the neocons. | ||
| So because of that, I, you know, So you can see how Alex engages differently with different audiences. | ||
| I think he has enough instincts and not enough apple juice in him to know that if he started rambling about how the literal devil is trying to terraform the world to his demonic minions can breathe in a carbonless atmosphere and how Trump will save the world by burning more fossil fuels and polluting more, the audience is probably going to be a good idea. | ||
| to think he's an insane idiot. | ||
| So he moderates his image to become more acceptable, and in doing so, he has to take on the mantle of a lesser of two evils guy. | ||
| This is the guy Jimmy wants to sell to the audience, too, so he doesn't mind Alex lying to the audience's face, or quite honestly, Jimmy probably has no idea what Alex actually believes. | ||
| More likely, Alex knows that the version of himself Jimmy wants to be there, he knows what that is, and he's being that, because this shit's a game. | ||
| And sure, Trump didn't do a lot of that stuff, but you're a goddamn idiot if you're just sitting there trying to pretend Trump didn't do anything in his term. | ||
| He may not have done all the things that he did to keep the dum-dums chanting and clapping on the campaign trail, but he definitely appointed three unacceptable Supreme Court justices who overturned Roe v. | ||
| Wade along with countless other decisions they've made and will make that roll back all kinds of civil protections Jimmy's supposed to care so much about most that play into the advantage of corporations. | ||
| Jimmy is supposed to be opposed to. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Jimmy is invested in making Trump out to be just another politician because that's an improvement in his image. | ||
| Treating Trump like a threat to all our public safety makes him a... | ||
| Pretty much unsellable candidate, which sucks for him. | ||
| The whole brand is shitting on Democrats and pretending to attack them from the left, but with right-wing positions. | ||
| So the thing that the Democrats are fighting can't possibly be something that you actually need to fight, too. | ||
| It has to just be an illusion, just another politician with big promises that doesn't do anything. | ||
| With Trump, for most of Jimmy's audience... | ||
| With Harris and the Democrats, the audience fears that they would just be another normal politician. | ||
| They would say the right things and inspire hope that things could be better and then just be another establishment hack. | ||
| With Trump, the fear is that he's not. | ||
| The fear is that he means what he's saying and will try to assert dictatorial type powers. | ||
| By lambasting Trump as just another politician, Jimmy's actually doing amazing PR work for Trump among this kind of disaffected, pretending to be left-wing audience. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Because it's like, okay, yeah, on this one side, we have the things that we want to hear and the disappointment of all those things not magically happening. | ||
| On this side, we have a normal politician would be like, ah, he's just talking shit about all the stuff that, you know, strips people of rights and is all scary. | ||
| Yeah, I'm just, I'm blown away. | ||
| I have no idea where everybody is coming from here. | ||
| I don't know who's... | ||
| I want to know what people want out of this. | ||
| If Jimmy Dore is trying to launder Alex, what does he want? | ||
| He wants numbers or whatever, I guess. | ||
| So that's why you have Alex on. | ||
| Alex wants to get some of Jimmy Dore's audience. | ||
| And create theocracy, basically. | ||
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| All political motion towards that while selling pills. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But what is up with these people, man? | ||
| What are they up to? | ||
| I think that a lot of them probably have some positions that aren't well represented by some parties. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And some of them are right-winger than they realize, probably. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I also think that what is going on here, the essential dynamic that I find interesting is that you have the same... | ||
| I think the motivations come from the same place as a lot of the media. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You know, a lot of the media is invested in making a horse race out of the presidency and the election because, you know, you're selling a product. | ||
| Yeah, they're going to work hard to make Trump palatable for us. | ||
| Right. | ||
| As much as some of the race is fairly close... | ||
| It will be closer in the eyes of the media because that is in their best interest for ratings, all kinds of things. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| We've seen this play out over and over again when Trump should be dealt with in a way that is much harsher. | ||
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| The reality of what he does and how he behaves, the things he says, are unacceptable within this realm. | ||
| And the fact that he is even treated as a viable person who people should be rallying behind is the bias. | ||
| Right. | ||
| This is the same thing, I think. | ||
| Making Trump just another politician is a way to make it closer to a horse race between these two options. | ||
| They're both bad in the same way as opposed to they're both viable alternatives to each other in the media because otherwise, what is the content you're going to make? | ||
| You have to make there be some sort of tension and the only way to do that is to make Trump a viable option and Trump's a viable option if everybody's shit. | ||
| Yeah, you know, I think maybe we gave them too much of a pass in 2016. | ||
| Because it was like, for most of us, it was the first time we had experienced this level of Nazi washing? | ||
| I don't know what to tell you. | ||
| But I mean, for them to do it now... | ||
| That's egregious shit. | ||
| That is truly egregious. | ||
| Yeah, and to play this game that Alex is trying to play with like, oh, I just kind of, you know, on a balance, I think he's less likely to make war. | ||
| Yeah, I have. | ||
| It would be insulting if you're Jimmy to accept that, except for he doesn't care. | ||
| Yeah, I think one thing that is amazing about Alex is that it is through having no respect for Alex. | ||
| And hating him that I have learned to have no respect for everybody else in the media, too. | ||
| And hate them as well. | ||
| Yeah, I guess. | ||
| He's got an amazing ability to point out how idiotic everybody else is. | ||
| He does. | ||
| He is a teachable example about a lot of problems that exist in many places. | ||
| It is unfortunate. | ||
| So, obviously, these folks, Jimmy's audience, are quite anti-Israel. | ||
| And some of them are anti-Israel for understandable reasons. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And some of them are not. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But either way, this is a quite anti-Israel audience. | ||
| Yeah, I imagine that would be the intersection. | ||
| I very strongly doubt that there are people there who are like, let's go! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so Alex is disappointed with the way that Trump has behaved on this issue. | ||
| Sure. | ||
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Disappointed in Trump and his carte blanche support of Israel. | |
| I'm never an anti-Israel guy. | ||
| I mean, I think it's just another corrupt government. | ||
| And I certainly don't support Hamas and Hezbollah and Iran. | ||
| I mean, it's all just, you know, terrible. | ||
| It's like, just ask me what port-a-potty I want to eat out of, you know. | ||
| I don't want to eat. | ||
| I'm showing 20 port-a-potties and which one do you want to choose? | ||
| I don't like any of them. | ||
| I didn't use an analogy like that, but Trump's slavish support of Netanyahu is dangerous. | ||
| People say, well, wait, Alex is a big Israel supporter, but he also is criticized Israel. | ||
| No, I'm just not anti-Israel. | ||
| I'm just like I'm not anti-America. | ||
| I don't like to corrupt government. | ||
| I think Trump's better on Ukraine, but he has been slavish on this situation with the ongoing bombing of Gaza. | ||
| So, I mean, I've been against that from day one. | ||
| I mean, I said Israel can carbon bomb the whole place and maybe win, but they're going to get some pyrrhic victory because they're going to lose, in public opinion. | ||
| That's weird. | ||
| So, it makes sense why the audience might applaud at Alex expressing disappointment with Trump's support of Israel, but it would be really helpful for Jimmy to ask a follow-up question here about why he's disappointed. | ||
| Alex doesn't care at all about the Palestinian people, which I would assume is a concern that a lot of the people who are applauding have. | ||
| You would assume. | ||
| Alex's problem is that it'll bring immigrants here who scare him. | ||
| Further, Alex realizes that the killing of civilians in Gaza looks really bad, and people don't like it, so the PR of Trump wanting more of it is not good for Trump. | ||
| These are the fundamental realities of Alex's position, which I think Jimmy's audience might be less quick to applaud, but I might have them wrong, because I didn't think that a lot of this other stuff would be what his show is. | ||
| I'm blown away. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm blown away. | ||
| Maybe I'm too idealistic. | ||
| The idea of allowing somebody to be like, ah, you see, the problem is the optics are bad. | ||
| That's beautiful. | ||
| You could carpet bomb the whole place and win, but then people wouldn't like you. | ||
| It just doesn't get better than that. | ||
| Because I think that fundamentally, Alex would be totally fine with an extermination of a people if there wasn't... | ||
| Consequences like immigration. | ||
| Yeah, 100%. | ||
| I mean, why else? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's something that comes through in his comments. | ||
| So, Jimmy wants to know about, we're going to have another COVID? | ||
| We're doing COVID again? | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Well, Alice, I wanted to ask you, do you have any inside info? | ||
| They're ramping up their fear-mongering again about COVID and monkeypox. | ||
| So do you have any other insight on any of the incoming deep state plans that we're in for? | ||
| This is a bit, right? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I do because they always telegraph what they're doing beforehand. | ||
| And so they said we'll have another pandemic. | ||
| So they're trying bird flu and monkeypox. | ||
| Any amount of fear they can for control. | ||
| They want to pass the UN treaty and take control of our bodies. | ||
| And, you know, all the rest of it. | ||
| And as bad as Trump was on COVID, he's been better on, you know, saying he should have a right to not take the shots. | ||
| And he was, you know, against the lockdowns once we got in the middle of it. | ||
| But yeah, I mean, so much of inside info is just watching the establishment corporate media pre-program was coming. | ||
| I mean, if it's not a bit, Jimmy's coming off like a real dork, asking for inside info from Alex. | ||
| He appears to have personally bought in on an embarrassing level to Alex's shtick. | ||
| I think you're not going to be able to stammer your way through this one on a both sides, lesser of two evils kind of thing, because Trump supported and brought us the vaccine. | ||
| These people have seen such a profit motive in demonizing the vaccine and creating hysteria around it, and people took that seriously. | ||
| People died because they believed the right-wing storylines about COVID, and now Alex wants to pretend, well, Trump's pretty good on the issue. | ||
| It's not an issue. | ||
| It's a mass murder biological weapon plot. | ||
| I think that it's pretty likely that one of Trump's biggest liabilities is the anti-vax fervor that his base has rallied around. | ||
| It was so profitable and so easy to organize around that that they couldn't resist it. | ||
| But now it's also disqualifying for the candidate that they want to defend as the lesser of two evils. | ||
| And it just doesn't work. | ||
| Yeah, this is the one that is amazing to me that people get twisted up on. | ||
| You know, the morality of being like, ah, foreign wars are bad. | ||
| You know, that's how it works and people should do that stuff. | ||
| But ostensibly the idea of borders and nations is that sooner or later they'll be our enemy anyway, so who fucking cares? | ||
| What matters for your government that you're choosing is that they don't poison you? | ||
| Like, isn't that the number one? | ||
| Like, hey, first off, government, don't poison me. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, that's a big one. | ||
| Like, don't go murder other people. | ||
| That's bad. | ||
| I understand that. | ||
| But, you know, the government is our government, and there are other people. | ||
| Not responding in an ideal way to foreign tensions and things that happen around the world that sometimes you have an influence in and sometimes you wish you had more of an influence in or whatever. | ||
| Not responding in a perfect way. | ||
| Obviously, you want to be against. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Creating a bioweapon and then attacking the entire world. | ||
| It's a different kind of thing. | ||
| It seems insurmountable to me, and somehow they're surmounting it. | ||
| No, it is for a lot of people, and I think that's why Trump's not going to get all of RFK's followers. | ||
| Yeah, you're right. | ||
| I think that because it was so profitable, and because they were able to use it so well, a lot of people are true believers in a way that Trump cannot reach now. | ||
| And I think that's sort of the way that the knife cuts the other direction a little bit. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| So, Jimmy has another decent question. | ||
| And that is that, hey, Trump wants to make this whole border thing. | ||
| Do you think that's just going to be an excuse to do surveillance shit? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And Alex... | ||
| This should—he should be worried about this. | ||
| This should be disqualified. | ||
| So do you fear that if Trump becomes president and he goes to secure the border, he's going to do it with what Whitney Webb talks about with surveillance and facial recognition? | ||
| It's going to be an electronic wall instead of an actual wall, which is just going to mean mass surveillance for everybody. | ||
| Do you fear that? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, Ron Paul always said, when they build a wall, it's going to be to keep us in. | ||
| And, but you already go to the airport and try to make you face in to get on an airplane. | ||
| So, this stuff's already here, and I'm not saying we should capitulate to it, but we have to cut the incentives off to tell the world they can just come here for free and we're going bankrupt. | ||
| We have, we're brave as one chief labor, and you've got the different things, you know, the different NGOs that are making the lion's share of the money. | ||
| Yeah, so that's the way that Alex answers this question. | ||
| Fuck immigrants. | ||
| Wild. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wild. | ||
| That's a tough question for Alex. | ||
| Because everything about his career should lead him to say, yes, and it is too risky to ever allow someone like Trump to put something like that in place. | ||
| We assume good intentions. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But everybody does right before. | ||
| Everything goes wrong. | ||
| It shouldn't just be that, but like, hey, if you have your guy do a thing, it's also important to remember that four years later, a different guy might then have that same power to do that same thing, and you might not like that guy. | ||
| True. | ||
| That's the idea. | ||
| And Alex's career is largely based on all kinds of absurd, well, if we allow this, then what, you know, kind of thing. | ||
| And for him to be like, they already face scanned you at the airport. | ||
| Yeah, I mean... | ||
| It's the opposite of what his entire world is based on. | ||
| It is so... | ||
| Like, I want to have some sort of shock collar installed in me now that I can program. | ||
| Because, like, this is everything. | ||
| Like, just listening to this. | ||
| This is everything that he is not supposed to be. | ||
| Lesser of two evils guy? | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| I have to have a shot caller now just to make sure that at no point in time in the future will I slide into this trash. | ||
| Trump murdered everyone with the vaccine, but he met well and he was just tricked by everyone around him, so we should give him another shot. | ||
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No! | |
| He's the lesser of two evils in terms of war and stuff like that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But also, he's probably going to do a bunch of wars. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| Yeah, sure. | ||
| There is a high-tech... | ||
| Surveillance tyranny that is going to be implemented by the border. | ||
| You're the Mark of the Beast guy! | ||
| Yeah, but look, they already scan you at the airport. | ||
| You're the Mark of the Beast guy! | ||
| Oh, well. | ||
| You see, this is just crazy to me. | ||
| It reveals the insincerity of a lot of the positions that Alex has built his entire brand around. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| And I don't think that Jimmy is meaning to reveal these things or anything, but it lays it pretty bare. | ||
| So Jimmy talks a little bit about how Trump's, he's not the outsider that he once was. | ||
| Because he was already the goddamn president! | ||
| That's true. | ||
| And I would describe Alex on his backest of back. | ||
| Dave Smith tweeted out today that he thought it was a mistake for, well here he says, the problem with Trump. | ||
| Calling the Democrats communists and Marxists, aside from being inaccurate and making him sound like a grandpa arguing in the 1940s, is the framing. | ||
| He says between his position on Israel, COVID, and even his praising of the Secret Service, when Trump calls his opponents Marxists, he positions himself as a defender of the establishment, guarding against the radicals. | ||
| That was never the appeal of Donald Trump. | ||
| People supported him because he represented a repudiation of the... | ||
| The Bushes, the Clintons, the Obamas, and the corporate media. | ||
| He was a giant middle finger to the establishment. | ||
| So do you think it's... | ||
| I mean, I think it's... | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| I mean, I know where you're going. | ||
| And I think it's very fair to say this is a more establishment Trump than we saw eight years ago or four years ago. | ||
| And I think that's his advisers telling him to be more of an establishment. | ||
| He should be the outsider, the populist, the maverick, which he never, as you said, completely delivered on, but the system sees him as that, and now he is definitely, you know, I mean, he should be going after Kamala Harris and Biden for getting almost all the big corporate donations and, you know, all the big BlackRock money. | ||
| And instead, he is acting like, you know, they're Bernie Sanders, you know, and some leftist at a university. | ||
| And that's not who they are. | ||
| I mean, they are military, industrial complex puppets. | ||
| So the big appeal of Trump was being, you know, anti-war compared to them. | ||
| And going against the establishment, that's still the big appeal that they've tried to put him in jail and take him off the ballot and kill him. | ||
| But that is being outweighed in many ways by what you're saying. | ||
| And I try to be a big Trump supporter, but I'm not, you know, loyal opposition or whatever. | ||
| I just sit there, you know, talk about him, but don't criticize him. | ||
| I mean, I really am concerned, and a lot of my listeners are concerned about Trump and the different turns he's... | ||
| Hey man, you're fighting the devil. | ||
| What is happening? | ||
| Right. | ||
| I feel insane right now. | ||
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I do too. | |
| I feel legit crazy. | ||
| I feel like I've been sent into a different universe where everything's fucked up and all that happened is I just listened to this shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is crazy. | ||
| Well, because I think that Jimmy is making a point that is good about what made Trump's brand really viable in 2016. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And why him winning sucked. | ||
| And why it didn't work, and why it ruined 2020, and why it's kind of falling apart now, is that he is supposed to be the bomb thrower. | ||
| He's supposed to be the guy who is fighting against the system. | ||
| He gets in power, and you have to create this entirely insidious other system that he's supposed to be fighting. | ||
| And now... | ||
| That system is really the system. | ||
| It's too much. | ||
| He's supposed to retake the reins for the sake of civilization? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Listen, Obama did the hope and change, right, in 2008, and then when he didn't do either of those things, he didn't continue doing hope and change in 2012. | ||
| He was like, hey, come on, I'll be better than that guy. | ||
| Come on, bud. | ||
| You know, like Trump, that's all you get on your second term because you never deliver on shit. | ||
| We already tried. | ||
| Because you're a trash human being. | ||
| You became the president. | ||
| You're worthless. | ||
| Your slogan when you're being reelected is, we've done all right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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What? | |
| We'll try and do more. | ||
| Fuck off! | ||
| Great. | ||
| But if you've had four years off in between, it's really hard to have any kind of idea of like, oh, we'll keep the ball rolling. | ||
| What? | ||
| No, you can't. | ||
| It's no good. | ||
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No. | |
| The point that Jimmy is making is fair enough, but it is about optics, and it's about the brand that everyone bought into with Trump. | ||
| The appeal to the supporters was based on wanting to give a middle finger to the man or whatever. | ||
| And now it really isn't the same. | ||
| There's still an anger that Trump embodies for a lot of his followers, but trying to pretend that it works on some kind of a Clinton-Obama insider versus Trump level just feels false. | ||
| It just doesn't, yeah. | ||
| And for Alex to be so... | ||
| Sort of stammery about his support of Trump. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's hilarious. | ||
| It's so wild. | ||
| Like, I appreciate how everybody got into this place, you know? | ||
| Because for the longest time, we were like, what if everybody was just the worst possible candidate and then we'll choose, you know? | ||
| But then Biden stepped away. | ||
| So now you have to... | ||
| The rules are different now. | ||
| Now it's not two dying old men, which one is going to be more of a monster to you. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like, the rules have changed. | ||
| Yeah, and I think that Alex may be representing something that is really important for him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which is, you might need to get rid of Trump. | ||
| You have to. | ||
| He can't even give a strong defense of Trump in front of Jimmy fucking Doerr's audience. | ||
| I mean, that's tragic. | ||
| You don't have to tell the truth. | ||
| This is a weak man. | ||
| This is very weak. | ||
| But he should be weak. | ||
| He shouldn't be defending Trump, but he also should be because it's only two months until the election. | ||
| And he's supposed to be fighting the devil. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| His heart's not in this. | ||
| You just can't do it. | ||
| The only thing maybe that they got is they should go hard on trying to convince everybody that Kamala tried to kill Trump. | ||
| I think you push the picture of him with a bloody fist, you tie it to all of the Democrats, and you say they're going to kill all of you next. | ||
| That's your only hope. | ||
| Well, and the idea of creating all of these ways that you can sort of slow down the process and create... | ||
| Bullshit inquiries in Congress and stuff like that. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure, sure. | ||
| You know, create that kind of havoc in advance. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think those are probably your top priorities. | ||
| Yeah, because you just can't do the other stuff. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's over now. | ||
| There's a chance that Trump will win, and that's not a foregone conclusion. | ||
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Sure. | |
| So there is a chance that he could win, and if he does, great. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But there's also a chance that he could lose. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And you don't want to be holding the bag. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I think that Alex needs to do some work on that in two months. | ||
| And this is one of the first times that I really felt like maybe he's expressing like a... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think it's so funny. | ||
| I think it's so funny. | ||
| Just that like... | ||
| We're in a space where it's like, Trump could still win. | ||
| But the only way he's going to win is with a massive amount of help from the media. | ||
| And that's what we're all waiting for. | ||
| And they're going to deliver. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| I don't know if they can resist. | ||
| They just can't. | ||
| They need money. | ||
| They love money more than they want us to live. | ||
| So, this interview, it lasts only about 12 minutes. | ||
| You're joking! | ||
| No. | ||
| Fuck me! | ||
| It's very short. | ||
| I mean, I support him because the system's trying to kill him. | ||
| But that said, I'm going to be a supporter so that I can put his feet through the fire on issues and, you know, try to get better policies out of him. | ||
| Okay. | ||
|
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All right. | |
| Well, Alex, I just want to say I appreciate you taking time off your evening to share it with me and my audience. | ||
|
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Let's hear it for Alex Jones, ladies and gentlemen. | |
| Why? | ||
| So, afterwards, he's not like, hey, that guy was an idiot, right? | ||
| Like, he doesn't, uh, so there's no reveal of, like, this is a joke. | ||
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Right. | |
| Or anything. | ||
| So, I don't know. | ||
| I think it was sincere. | ||
| I think it's a sincere interview. | ||
| And I think maybe it would have gone longer if Alex would have been at the time that he was supposed to be there. | ||
| Yeah, okay. | ||
| Or whatever. | ||
| I think maybe that that was... | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't know what happened, but it was very short and disappointing. | ||
| And then, afterwards, they go back to watching some clips. | ||
| You're joking! | ||
| What is this fucking show? | ||
| You want to hear another clip? | ||
| We're going to play a game with this clip. | ||
| Yeah, I do. | ||
| Try and figure out when this clip is from. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Here's her platform right here. | ||
| You know, we have to stay woke. | ||
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Like, everybody needs to be woke. | |
| And you can talk about if you're the wokest or woker, but just stay more woke than less woke. | ||
| Is she... | ||
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She want to be president or is captain of the Enterprise? | |
| What does that share? | ||
| Does she mean more meth and less fentanyl? | ||
|
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Because... | |
| Hey, you know what's not woke? | ||
| Wearing three-inch heels and a pantsuit, I think. | ||
| Equality starts with not balancing your entire body on a centimeter of a stiletto. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What? | ||
| That didn't land. | ||
| Did they write this? | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| So I turned it off. | ||
| Because they're taking turns as though they like... | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| We're going to have a little bit of a... | ||
| We're going to play tag. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So what do you think that clip of Harris was from? | ||
| I want to say 2019. | ||
| 2017. | ||
| Both the clip of Cuomo and Harris are both from 2017. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| What is wrong with us? | ||
| But that one was making the rounds on right-wing social media, so I think that Jimmy must have seen it on there and been like, we can riff on this. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Can they? | ||
| In practice, no. | ||
| The confidence, I mean, man, I feel like... | ||
| How about this, alright? | ||
| You have Tommy John surgery. | ||
| You lose your fastball. | ||
| You don't have the same confidence as when you had the fastball. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Jimmy Dore has long since lost that fastball. | ||
| I don't understand the confidence with which he is behaving. | ||
| That's the kind of thing that I'm dealing with. | ||
| I get... | ||
| Everything, except for, like, when he says the, you know what's not woke, wearing a pantsuit with his heels. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| And then the audience doesn't laugh. | ||
| Nothing! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, if the audience laughed, I would get all of this. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I don't get where the, it doesn't even, at times, when Jimmy starts yelling. | ||
| And shit. | ||
| The audience is into it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So there are those moments where he's like, Bernie Sanders is a fucking sellout hack! | ||
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He went on Theo Vaughn's podcast and said that we should still vote and blah, blah, blah. | |
| Sure, sure, sure, sure. | ||
| And people like that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But in terms of the humor, no, I don't think there's... | ||
| Man! | ||
| It doesn't land. | ||
| I can tell you, like, I can tell you, uh... | ||
| What? | ||
| And like at our Toronto show, I can tell you at least three things that I said that did not land the way I wanted to. | ||
| And they didn't go bad, but they didn't land the way that I wanted to. | ||
| And I wanted like I was like, oh, my God, what am I doing with my life? | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| Like the idea of, you know, because I'm a comic, I put it back up there, got the confidence back. | ||
| But the idea of being able to just like get dead silence and then just be like, ah. | ||
| I'm still great. | ||
| No idea. | ||
| Well, I think you have to maybe have a different system of how you judge things. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Then. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You know? | ||
| I guess. | ||
| And I don't know. | ||
| I was looking at his YouTube channel, and I did notice that there were spikes in traffic, or spikes in views for Alex's videos. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| That's cool. | ||
| I mean, you know, you have... | ||
| Here we go. | ||
| What do we got? | ||
| RFK, also very popular. | ||
| Videos about RFK get a whole lot more views than a lot of his other ones. | ||
| Wild. | ||
| You have like, you know, 30,000-ish normal views, and then Alex Video, 60,000. | ||
| But do they do live shows a lot? | ||
| Maybe what's happened is they've retreated to the all we are is in a studio kind of environment with each other. | ||
| So we just talk like that and we don't actually know what makes a crowd laugh anymore. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| I think Jimmy still performs. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| I think this is one of the problems that we have. | ||
| First of all, we don't know Jimmy all that well. | ||
| No, that's true. | ||
| As his show. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Second, this is the first episode of Rumble Time. | ||
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Man! | |
| So, there is no context for what this is. | ||
| Y 'all gotta make that the last episode of Rumble Time. | ||
| I'm excited for episode two. | ||
| I am not. | ||
| We are definitely gonna cover it. | ||
| We are not. | ||
| I told you I made a mistake. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And I think I made a mistake. | ||
| I think so, too. | ||
| But I also think, like, here's the thing, though. | ||
| This is kind of mind-blowing. | ||
| This whole thing... | ||
| Again, I feel like I'm in an alternate universe, and he's just saying the normal stuff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, no, Alex acting like a normal person who thinks about political things and that kind of shit is bizarre. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so him pretending to be that is bizarre. | ||
| And then I really do think that there is something that is fascinating about the way that Jimmy needs to make Trump... | ||
| Just another politician. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In the same pursuit as the media, trying to make him another politician. | ||
| They make Trump a credible politician in order to facilitate the horse race. | ||
| And Jimmy's making him just another politician for the same reason. | ||
| Because it justifies this kind of both sides. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is wild. | ||
|
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I mean, also, like, Alex. | |
| It's more fun to not be the lesser of two evils person. | ||
| Do you know who has no fun? | ||
| Being the person who's like, let's be responsible. | ||
| That's not a fun position! | ||
| No, no, but when your alternative is yelling about the devil in front of a crowd of... | ||
| Presumably hip Jimmy Dore fans. | ||
| But that's what I'm saying! | ||
| That's a show! | ||
| No, but they'd be laughing at him. | ||
| That's what he's supposed to be! | ||
| No, he doesn't like that. | ||
| Oh my god, he doesn't! | ||
| He used to be fine with people laughing. | ||
| He used to have a brashness that could withstand people laughing at him. | ||
| And now I don't know if that's the case. | ||
| But I think he could probably if it wasn't a live show. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If it was just him and Jimmy sitting around, he could talk about the devil. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| But the live show aspect of it, probably. | ||
| It's a nightmare to be trapped in a screen with an audience that can't talk to you. | ||
| Oh, that's true. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| So anyway, we'll be back. | ||
| Another episode. | ||
| But until then, we have a website. | ||
| Indeed we do. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| Yep, we'll be back. | ||
| But until then, I'm Neo. | ||
| I'm Leo. | ||
| I'm DZXClark. | ||
| I am the Mysterious Professor. | ||
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Woo, yeah! | |
| Woo, yeah! | ||
| And now here comes the sex robots. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |
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