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#952: August 7, 2024

#952: August 7, 2024 dissects Alex Jones’s baseless attacks on Tim Walz—editing clips to falsely tie him to police stand-downs and child sterilization—while Jordan Holmes mocks his shifting COVID conspiracy theories and UN troop claims. Callers like Hammer Hardy and Corey push violent or spiritualized resistance, which Jones avoids endorsing but weaponizes for fearmongering. Roger Stone’s upcoming appearance sparks derision over past failed predictions (e.g., Michelle Obama) and his sudden Bukele pivot, exposing Jones’s platform as hollow. The episode underscores how conspiracy rhetoric thrives on misdirection, not action, leaving listeners with empty threats and debunked claims. [Automatically generated summary]

Participants
Main
a
alex jones
infowars 13:29
d
dan friesen
30:52
j
jordan holmes
21:00
Appearances
j
jamie raskin
rep/d 00:51
r
roger stone
r 00:46
Callers
corey in missouri
callers 01:27
hammer hardy in florida
callers 00:46
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Speaker Time Text
roger stone
I have great respect for knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys.
Shang me are the bad guys.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
roger stone
Dan and Jordan.
unidentified
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
I need money.
I need money.
unidentified
Riddler.
alex jones
Andy and Pamzer.
unidentified
Andy and Pandy.
Stop it.
alex jones
Andy and Pam.
Andy and Kansas.
unidentified
Andy Andy.
alex jones
It's time to pray.
Andy and Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding us.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a fish tonight.
I'm a huge fan.
alex jones
I love your room.
Knowledge fight.
Knowledgefight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back, Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
roger stone
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Celine, and talk a little bit about Alex Joe.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are.
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
I have a quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today, buddy?
dan friesen
Where you go first?
jordan holmes
My bright spot, Dan, is the U.S. women's national football team.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Playing the soccer out there at the Olympics, just showing everybody exactly how to do it.
dan friesen
Doing the case.
jordan holmes
Doing the thing with the stuff.
They go into different areas and then they'll ball.
unidentified
Oh, man.
jordan holmes
It's great stuff.
But in all series, I love it.
They've been playing great.
It's really enjoyable.
It's good soccer.
dan friesen
Nice.
jordan holmes
Sophia Smith, Trinity Rodman, Crystal Dunn.
Like, these people are absolutely killing it.
It's awesome.
Can I awesome to watch?
dan friesen
I'm really glad to hear that.
Yeah.
But I'm shocked by how little I care about the Olympics this year.
unidentified
That's interesting because I'm shocked by how much I care about it.
jordan holmes
I'm the opposite direction.
dan friesen
I haven't kept up with just about anything except for like hearing right-wing outrage.
Bullshit.
Like, in terms of the actual athleticism and the, you know, the celebration of competition and all this, I don't know.
I don't feel like I've experienced a whole lot of it.
jordan holmes
So this may have something to do with it, but he's like, so recently I've had to quit smoking, all things.
And so I've been waking up way too early and just like doing Olympic recaps.
I have been crying my eyes out at the many amazing stories of there's just no way to describe it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
There's so much beauty going on.
dan friesen
I'm so keenly aware that all of that is there.
jordan holmes
All of it.
dan friesen
And I'm not experiencing about any of it.
jordan holmes
Hugs, cross-border love.
There are no, there are no lines.
There's no nations.
There's only the joy of competition and the human shared life.
It's beautiful.
dan friesen
And I'm happy for them.
And I wish I was engaging at all.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So it's nice to hear about it from you.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Oh, it's great.
It's great.
And the basketball team just won today in a thriller.
Fourth quarter comeback.
They were down to Serbia.
They were down Serbia by like 17 points.
Fourth quarter comeback.
Win it.
Nice.
Boom.
dan friesen
Sweet.
jordan holmes
Hell yeah.
Take that, Jokic.
dan friesen
Right?
The best player alive.
Did Christian Leitner come back?
jordan holmes
Christian Leitner has been dead for 48 years.
dan friesen
What?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
He was a ghost even at the original Dream Team Olympics.
dan friesen
Something so exciting about the dream team.
When that happened.
Am I old?
That was just.
There's nothing like it.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, this is interesting because it is similar to the dream team.
But when the dream team happened, they wiped the floor with everybody, like the Monstars of old.
And this team was doing that, but everybody else is really good at basketball, right?
And so everybody else is like making teams.
So like you're Serbia.
You know, Nikola Jokic is the best NBA player.
He's the MVP three times, et cetera, and all that stuff.
But the Serbian national team has also got some people with NBA talent, and they play together all the time.
They're the Serbian national team, right?
So you've got the U.S. team, which is LeBron, Steph Curry, Kevin Durant.
Like, they are the dream team among dream teams.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Joel MB and all this stuff, but they don't actually play with each other.
And half of them kind of hate each other.
So it's fascinating to watch them just be the otherworldly talent and then sometimes like throw the ball at each other's faces.
It's amazing.
dan friesen
I found it difficult to focus while you were talking.
jordan holmes
Because the sports is boring.
I understand.
No, I respect it.
dan friesen
That's not why.
It's because you compared them to the Monstars.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And I would like to remind you that the Monstars played one game and lost it.
jordan holmes
That is true, but a fucking loony tune.
But the Monstars were the greatest collection of NBA talent at the time.
However, Sean Bradley.
It was stolen from the team.
Sean Bradley.
Listen, it was 92.
dan friesen
Okay.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
I think they could afford bogues.
I think that was about.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Yep.
What's your price point?
Ha ha!
dan friesen
I was recognized at the Aldi.
unidentified
Oh!
dan friesen
I forgot the person's name, and I feel really bad about it.
But now I have been recognized at the Aldi twice.
I've been recognized in public maybe three times total in my life outside of like maybe at a live show or whatever.
jordan holmes
Where it's appropriate.
Yeah.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Always at the Aldi.
jordan holmes
It's a weird life.
It's a weird life.
dan friesen
Yeah, but it's fun.
I enjoy it.
So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.
We're going to be talking about August 7th, 2024.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
That is Wednesday's episode.
And of course, the big news that people were dealing with is the announcement of Tim Walz as Kamala's.
jordan holmes
Okay, so it's Walls, not Waltz?
dan friesen
I believe so.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
I've not actually heard it pronounced out loud because I only read things, and anytime an autoplay video comes on, I like light my computer on fire.
dan friesen
I generally am the same way that I mostly end up seeing things in print.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I think that I've heard it both ways.
So I don't know, actually, but I don't see a T there.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't see a T either.
But you know, like, isn't Christoph Waltz?
Doesn't his, he doesn't have a T, and he's, but he's, like, Austrian?
I don't know.
dan friesen
I can neither confirm nor deny the T in Christoph's name.
jordan holmes
Okay, but let's ask the real question.
All right.
Let me see his birth certificate.
Is he from Germany?
Is he Austrian?
dan friesen
Christoph Waltz or Tim Walz?
unidentified
Both.
dan friesen
Okay.
I'm sure that will become a campaign.
jordan holmes
I'm actually, honestly, I'm infuriated.
And I think it would be a good attack ad for the Republicans to be like, he's fucking German.
Don't trust him.
dan friesen
He's trying to sneak a T into his name invisibly.
Yeah, I'd like that.
So that's the big news.
Yes.
Is that now the Democratic ticket is pretty much established.
Sure.
And so now we've got to deal with that.
jordan holmes
We just got to go.
dan friesen
Let's see how the attacks go.
And so we'll check in on Alex's response.
But first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, congratulations to Master Dave of the Taekwon Bros.
I'm asking Dan to use the title so I don't have to love your hetero life mate.
Thank you so much, Joanna Balzy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
So next, Operation Big Boy was me coming out as a fat, fruity trans man.
Thank you so much, Joanna Policy Walk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, just finished listening to the latest episode where Alex declares he's rebranding to Reset Wars.
Can't wait for my shout out on do-over fight when this is definitely a thing six months from now.
Thank you so much, Uranio Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
unidentified
Thank you.
dan friesen
Oh, Reset Wars.
jordan holmes
Oh, Reset Wars.
Someday.
dan friesen
Most important thing he's ever done.
Ever done.
Next, Daniel and the Bilderberg Biddlebums.
Thank you, Bindlebums.
Thank you so much, Uranio Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
And we got a technical credit in the mix, Jordan.
So thank you so much to Maroon the Cat says hello on behalf of all furry policy wonk with a pause with a policy.
jordan holmes
I enjoyed that.
dan friesen
Oh, what's this?
Thank you so much, you're an Iow Technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars.
alex jones
Go home, Kiaman, and tell her you're brilliant.
Someone, sodomite, sent me a bucket of poop.
Daddy Sharp.
Bomb, Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser, little, little kitty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
So obviously, Tim Walz, not a name that's loud in the right-wing sphere prior to a couple days ago.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Not somebody who Alex could have picked out of a lineup probably before the announcement.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Not a villain.
Not somebody who has built up a whole lot.
jordan holmes
I mean, ironically, considering how special all of these people think white people are, very difficult to know that he's different from any other white one.
So there's that.
dan friesen
And they have nothing.
Like, it's not like Klaus Schwab was announced as VP.
They're like, oh, we got shit for this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we've been working on that.
dan friesen
We built this house already.
But Alex is totally heard of him.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
Trump's weird.
Teddy Vance is weird.
When they are not just weirdos, the Democrats, they are evil.
They are a sick cult.
Now, look, I know who Tim Walz was and followed him back when he had the police stand down and let BLM and the communists and the rest of them burn down half the state.
And I knew he pushed really radical, aggressive sterilization and castration of boys and sterilization of girls.
But since he was the official pick yesterday, I did the deep dive on him.
Ooh, this guy is a creepozoid.
And let me just say this.
If anybody could legally lawfully take a look on his computers, I think you'd find some very interesting stuff.
He just has that whole look to him, and he wants to, he does.
He wants to target and brainwash children.
dan friesen
Oh, wow.
You're implying he's a pedophile.
Man.
Couldn't see this coming.
unidentified
Great.
jordan holmes
It doesn't feel like his heart's in it.
No.
dan friesen
Seems like there's a little bit of.
I find it hard to believe when Alex says, I knew all about this guy.
Sure.
Sure.
Oh, I did a deep dive last night.
unidentified
Did you?
dan friesen
I looked at some memes.
jordan holmes
You could have said the same thing about anyone, anyone.
Any one of them.
You didn't need a name.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
We have, okay, he's the governor of Minnesota.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
I have some memory of four years ago there being some fires there.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
So cool.
He's responsible for that.
He did it.
jordan holmes
Why not?
He's guilty.
He did it.
He burned down the police station and then became governor or was governor and burned down the police station.
dan friesen
He's supportive of trans rights.
jordan holmes
Can't believe it.
dan friesen
So I've got some talking points and bigoted shit I can throw around there.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
But he doesn't.
He looks like just a, he looks like a Midwestern guy.
dan friesen
Or does he?
jordan holmes
Ooh, see, there we go.
dan friesen
You're right.
jordan holmes
We got it.
That's what I'm saying.
They need to prove that they're not racist.
And there's only one way for the far right to do that.
And that is to demand Tim Walz' birth certificate and claim that he is not from the United States and that he should not be allowed to be vice president.
dan friesen
That's what they're already directing that energy towards the other candidates.
jordan holmes
They have to do it.
They have to subvert everyone's expectation and be like, we'd love a black woman president, but Tim Waltz is German.
dan friesen
I think it would be interesting.
It's unlikely.
Yeah.
So Tim Walz has a wife.
alex jones
Sure.
dan friesen
I don't know if you know that.
jordan holmes
Theoretically.
dan friesen
He has a son named Gus.
That's a great name for a kid.
Not like Baron.
His name's Gus.
So anyway, he has a wife.
And she loves the smell of cities burning down.
jordan holmes
Of course she does.
alex jones
Tampon Tim.
Because he's now known for, by law, putting tampons in the boys' bathrooms.
Okay.
The guy is wants to chop body parts off children.
But then we've got his kook wife saying she loved the smell of burning buildings and burning tires and opened the windows up so she could smell it.
I mean, it just goes on and on and on.
dan friesen
Oh, man.
unidentified
She has loved it.
So his wife is a Morton Joe from.
Tell me more of the burning cities, Tim.
dan friesen
So his wife didn't say that she loves the smell of burning tires.
She said in an interview that she didn't close all the windows in her home because, quote, I felt like that was such a touchstone of what was happening back in 2020 when there were fires.
Sure.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
So she was metaphorically not trying to shut it out so much as she was trying to be like, I am accepting that this is a thing that's happening regardless of how I may feel about it.
dan friesen
It's clear from the context of the interview that she was saying that she didn't close the windows because she recognized that what was happening was an important moment and she didn't want to isolate and insulate herself from it.
And Alex has turned this into she likes the smell of cities burn.
jordan holmes
I mean, the problem is the problem is if you're like, I guess that's an attack for somebody to be like, oh, look at this crazy conservative guy.
He's got a gun and he just likes to see cities burn.
But if you're like, oh, Tim Wall, the vice president's wife is like an anarchist who wants to see cities burn.
I'm like, yeah, that sounds pretty fucking cool.
dan friesen
That will appeal to a certain group.
And then I think the reality of she refuses to look away from something, even if it's inconvenient.
jordan holmes
It's an even better story.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
There's no way.
dan friesen
What Alex is doing is just, this is bad.
jordan holmes
Wrong.
dan friesen
This is not going to work.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But good luck.
Something else that's not going to work is Trump put out a post on Truth Social.
And Alex is even like, I don't know about this.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
alex jones
Trump's come out and says Biden will try to take back the nomination at the DNC after it was stolen by Kamala.
I hear there's a big movement to bring back crooked Joe.
Trump has a lot of credibility.
He has a lot of sources.
Roger Stone's popping back in today.
I'll ask him about that.
I wouldn't count that out as crazy as it sounds.
I'm not saying that's going to happen.
In fact, I don't believe it will, but they may certainly try.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's as close as you're going to get to Alex being like, this is shit.
jordan holmes
That's the worst.
You know what?
Of all the things.
Listen, I've been lying.
You've been lying.
Our past decade has been nonstop lies.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And we're just the best at it.
That is a failure, sir.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That is a failure.
dan friesen
So do you want to hear what Trump posts?
corey in missouri
All right.
dan friesen
Quote: What are the chances that crooked Joe Biden, the worst president in the history of the United States, whose presidency was unconstitutionally stolen from him by Kamabla, Barack Hussein Obama, crazy Nancy Pelosi, shifty Adam Schiff, crying Chuck Schumer, and others on the lunatic left, crashes the Democratic National Convention and tries to take back the nomination, beginning with challenging me to another debate.
He feels like he made a historically tragic mistake by handing over the U.S. presidency, a coup to the people in the world he hates the most, and he wants it back now.
Three exclamation points.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Yeah.
That was a lot.
I saw that.
Someone sent me that post, and I thought it was fake.
I thought for sure it was fake.
jordan holmes
It does seem hard to believe that, you know, that's just a former president for you right there.
dan friesen
He's fantasy.
He's writing a fantasy story about how Biden wants the presidency back and he's going to fight at the convention and challenge him to another debate.
jordan holmes
What is going on?
unidentified
I don't know.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
There's a big movement to bring Biden back.
I'm hearing it from all over the place.
I'm hearing tons of people saying, like, oh, my God.
Oh, whatever.
He was the candidate.
And we were forced against our own instincts and love to defend him because fucking god damn it.
We had to.
You forced us to defend him, you motherfuckers.
And now you think we're going to ask for him back?
Hell no.
dan friesen
This newfound enthusiasm and boost in the polls is so intolerable.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Oh, no, no, no.
No, it was actually really fun for us to say that this dead man should be the next president.
Yeah, that was great.
dan friesen
DNC rolls around.
Class breaks.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
dan friesen
Biden's got the chair.
alex jones
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
So fucking dumb.
jordan holmes
Oh, that would be.
dan friesen
Even Alex fucking knows this is dumb.
jordan holmes
No, the whole world would like willingly open a trapdoor and Joe Biden would fall down and be like, we'll just pretend that never happened.
dan friesen
So the UN has a plan, sure, to steal the U.S. election.
And Alex is going to talk about that.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
All right.
It is now official.
The UN says they are set to declare monkeypox and bird flu a global emergency.
And from New York City to Los Angeles, California, they're putting up billboards and running TV ads saying time to wear the mask again, time to take all your shots.
The Biden-controlled FDA that's literally run by Big Pharma has gotten emergency authorization for the bird flu mRNA poison that does absolutely nothing to protect you, obviously.
It's total insanity.
So it's official with just 90 days left, the most important election in world history, or technically 89 days.
We'll put it on screen.
They are going to try to roll out a global freakout pandemic yet again.
dan friesen
We've done these stories already.
This is just dull.
There was a global emergency about monkeypox declared by the World Health Organization in 2022, which was handled.
There is a new situation with the illness where strain is spreading mostly in Congo, but has been seen in nine other African countries.
So the World Health Organization is debating whether or not it constitutes a global emergency.
As for the strain of bird flu, it was identified in Europe in 2020 and has been spreading since, completely fucking up animal populations.
According to the UN, it's adapted in ways that allow it to infect 485 different bird species, as well as 48 mammals.
And it's putting some species at risk of extinction.
Even if it never becomes a strain that can transmit easily human to human, this is all a pretty big deal.
Biodiversity and delicate ecological systems are already massively strained by the virus.
And the consequences that we're going to see from this, we have no idea, really.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex can pretend that all of this is just an elaborate plot to make sure Trump doesn't get elected this year, but it's important to understand how fucking stupid this is.
This is just really dumb.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you know, here's the other thing that it's like, the way they do, the way that they talk about stuff is it keeps you from remembering how things actually work.
But it's like, we just had a pandemic.
All of the people who were fucking put through the ringer are still working.
Like, they're still there.
Like, now they're just very experienced at this.
I'm far more confident now than I was four years ago.
In 20 years, if we haven't had a pandemic for 20 years, do you know what I mean?
Then I'm like, a pandemic around a corner.
Nobody's ready for this shit.
Nobody knows what could happen.
These people are practiced.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think.
And not to say that everyone was asleep at the wheel, but definitely in 2020, there was not like a feeling of knowing what could happen.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And I think that we've been disabused of those notions of like, this is impossible, which we might forget over time.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's what I'm saying.
You know, that whole like, oh, they sold us on two-week lockdown.
And you're like, I believe, I believe.
Now we'd be like, we'll see in six months, assholes.
You figure this shit out.
dan friesen
Or three.
Let's make it three weeks.
jordan holmes
Yeah, how about you get your shit together?
dan friesen
So Alex has a take here about Peter Hotez.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
He's a scientist that Alex doesn't like.
I don't know.
I guess he's a big globalist.
alex jones
So I'm going to be getting to that.
And I'm glad it's finally getting some traction.
I covered this Saturday and Sunday.
I thought it was a big deal.
And sure, the videos got a few million views, but they should have gotten 100 million.
Peter Hotez is officially a WHO CDC mouthpiece.
And he came out and said, we need UN troops in NATO in America during the next lockdown.
Now, we've always told you that's coming.
That's what the UN Treaty is about.
It's what all the COVID camps are about all over the world.
And we have other, we have the head of global crises response, Dr. Ryan at the UN saying the same thing years ago, but they're really serious about this.
Not Alex Jones 30 years ago saying they've got plans to put UN troops in America.
And people didn't think that would ever happen.
I was going off for the State Department documents from 1962, Shit Department Memorandum, and several other documents.
dan friesen
Oops.
Alex forgot the names of these.
jordan holmes
All one and others.
dan friesen
Yeah, Peter Otes was saying that the problems that you deal with in terms of epidemiological issues, pandemics and stuff, are far broader than scientific issues, and scientific solutions aren't going to be enough to address them in the future.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
He's making that point, and Alex is saying he's going to bring in UN troops, whatever.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, in a vacuum in a laboratory, I can do all kinds of stuff.
But then out there, Alex Jones is going to say shit.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And I found this to be really interesting because for the last couple months at least, I've been noticing Alex being like, do you really think that UN troops and blue helmets are going to come in?
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
And he's been very against that.
But now he's saying that Peter Hotez is saying that they're going to bring in UN troops.
So I don't know where to feel about this because he's been undermining that idea in the recent past, but now I'm supposed to be afraid of it again.
jordan holmes
I think, and maybe I'm just wrong.
Maybe I'm just wrong.
I think now that we are where we are, I think the idea of like foreign troops made more sense in the JBS lore and then going up into the 90s because you still only saw the world through a very fairly small screen.
There are so many people, and now we're so aware of how many people there are.
Can you imagine how many UN troops would actually be necessary to like do anything to like influence you to like a buy to buy something different?
dan friesen
A billion, right?
Or one.
jordan holmes
One really, but that's what I'm saying.
It would have to be something.
It's a magical question.
There's no number that could achieve anything.
dan friesen
Probably not.
Yeah.
And I don't think that any number of UN troops could make Alex be like vaccines are great.
Yeah.
So I don't know why people would approach.
So Alex has a little bit of a take on COVID and how it caused some weirdness.
jordan holmes
Oh, did it?
alex jones
Yeah.
And here's the deal.
Yes, COVID was man-made.
Yes, it spread quickly.
Yes, it was novel.
Yes, they would block normal treatment for it so you had some death.
But they made it novel so that when virologists looked at it under an electron microscope, they would see a manufactured virus.
And it had five viruses put together.
We knew that back in February of 2020.
And of course, it all came out to be documented and accurate.
That was meant to scare people because it was so obviously man-made.
But then it was the shots that were innumerably worse than the actual so-called pathogen that's supposedly causing the disease.
Now, because of all the injections they gave people while they were sick, any virologist will tell you up until modern last few years, that causes insane mutations in the regular viruses and gives rise to all these new horrible viruses.
And so there is all sorts of weird illness going on, all sorts of weird deaths going on.
You have record levels of really bad colds and flus this summer.
I've known a lot of people have been very, very sick, especially those that aren't taking the right supplements and things.
And so there's a lot of weirdness going on.
jordan holmes
You got COVID.
alex jones
They could very easily at any time release some really bad viruses they've got cooked up on the shelf.
It's been very obvious.
So we're going back, what, six months ago?
Bird flu hasn't jumped into humans yet, but it probably will.
We need to kill all these chickens and kill all these cows all over the world, including the U.S.
And then a few months ago, oh, it jumped into humans.
Well, actually, it didn't.
And then, well, now it is jumping in.
And now we've done emergency authorization for this shot.
Building it up right to the election.
dan friesen
So all of Alex's stuff about COVID is idiotic, and we've talked about it in the past, so I'm not going to re-litigate it here all again.
What's important here is that with the bird flu situation, there have been 14 human cases in the United States since 2022, all thankfully isolated and related to exposure to either poultry or dairy cows.
There have not been cases of localized transmission from person to person, which would be a real problem.
That would be a bad scenario.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
That's the opening scene of outbreak.
dan friesen
In the United States, the CDC puts the public health risk of the virus at low, but it's something that needs to be relatively closely monitored because it could go bad.
And if it does go bad, it could be really bad.
Maybe not outbreak bad, but bad.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
When Alex says they say it can infect humans, but then they say it can't, then it can, he's referring to his own miscoverage of the case back in April.
There was one case that he completely whiffed on all the details, and he's fucked up his own memory of it.
A 59-year-old man in Mexico died in the hospital and was found to have a confirmed case of H5N2 avian flu.
It was initially reported that it was possible that this was the cause of death, but ultimately doctors reviewed the case closer and found that he likely died more as a result of other conditions that he had, and he just incidentally also had this avian flu.
However, what was special about this case wasn't that he had the virus or that he died, it was that there was no direct exposure to poultry or livestock in this man's history.
His story wasn't of a particular media interest because he died.
It was because it was possible that he represented the first case of human-to-human transmission.
Ultimately, they traced his contacts and found that no one around him was sick.
So it remains unclear how he ended up getting infected.
jordan holmes
He is a bird.
dan friesen
He might be a bird, but there's no evidence that it was from a person or that he gave it to another person, which is good news.
But Alex has forgotten that and has decided that the media has told a hundred different stories about this because he fails to understand the details.
So he's stupid.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, when he started listing all of the things that I'm supposed to assume, I feel comfortable because I don't assume any of that is true.
But then there was a part of me that's like, wait a second, if I did believe some of this, am I supposed to be assuming?
Was I already supposed to have assumed that these things were true?
dan friesen
Like what?
jordan holmes
Because I feel like some of them, I don't like, yes, COVID was originally the, you know, or yes, it was five viruses.
And I was like, yes, it was made to look like it was made to look.
dan friesen
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
It was intentionally done to freak people out.
jordan holmes
No, CC.
Obviously.
No, no, no.
I assumed it.
No, I knew I was supposed to assume it was fake.
I didn't know I was supposed to assume that it was fake, that it was fake.
Yeah, it was, but it's real.
dan friesen
It was that's at lesser magic.
jordan holmes
I don't understand.
dan friesen
It's freaking you out by how fake everything is.
jordan holmes
That's what I'm saying.
Like, am I supposed to have already known to be assuming these things?
unidentified
I assume, yeah.
dan friesen
No, I think probably not.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I think you're supposed to know the beginning parts, and then once you get bored, you're supposed to get your mind blown by the second.
jordan holmes
And then just let it go.
And then you're supposed to just ride along.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Whenever you need a new, like, a boost of adrenaline, you're like, wait, it was actually so fake because they were trying to freak us out by how fake it was.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
We were supposed to see through that.
jordan holmes
Okay.
So he's like pumping up a tire.
dan friesen
Whenever you need the conspiracy to get a little bit harder.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
That's when you up the dose.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
So Alex talks about how you shouldn't be offensively violent.
But also, what if the offense and defense are the same thing?
jordan holmes
Interesting.
alex jones
What do we do about their open plans for worldwide martial law enforcement injections?
Because I don't believe we should ever offensively go after any of these people.
I was listening to Glenn Beck this morning driving into work and he was saying, look, he doesn't think God will be on our side if we offensively ever do something.
And I agree with that.
jordan holmes
End of statement then defense.
alex jones
What is defense when you're being hit with bioweapons?
The borders are wide open.
Your government is at war with you.
And everything they do is to undermine the country and they're targeting our children.
I'm not saying or even hinting, go out and be violent because they would really play off of that.
And that's what they want because we're winning hearts and minds so fast.
They can see that no matter what they do, they're out of power very soon, not just here, but around the world.
So they want to get the confrontation going.
All I'm saying is they do a cyber outage, they release some deadly virus, they got stuff locked down, the food supplies break down, you got riots burning crap in the streets.
You better be ready to protect yourselves.
And then to the people in the government and the bureaucrats that they are intending to send out to people's houses to drag them off to these emergency pandemic centers.
Look, I don't have any bloodlust, and I know my listeners don't either.
We don't want to fight with you, but let me just advise the FBI and the local police and the federal marshals and the military and everybody.
And I don't think you even need me to tell you this.
Do you think total collapse and martial law and war on the streets and trying to take people to emergency centers is a very healthy job for you?
dan friesen
No, probably not.
Give them mixed messages.
Little bit of a mixed vibe.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Here's what I'm thinking.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
Let me ask you a question.
If God is like, hey, if you do this, I'm never going to like you.
And you're like.
I think I'm still going to do it.
Right.
Is there any possibility that the God of the universe, after you do it, is like, that was a test.
You had to disagree with me in order to, do you know what I'm saying?
dan friesen
That's interesting.
I don't know.
That'd be tricky.
jordan holmes
That's unfair.
That's cheating.
dan friesen
That's definitely unfair.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I also don't imagine a scenario where the God of the universe tells you to do this thing.
Sure.
And then you're like, I'm not going to do it, but it's really important to me what you say.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You know, I can't imagine trying to sort of thread that needle.
Yeah, I'm very pious, but I'm also going to directly not do the thing.
jordan holmes
I like what you're saying, buddy, and I love telling people all about you.
Not for me, but you're great.
dan friesen
Here's how we're going to make that work.
I'm going to say that God will be against us if we're offensively violent.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
But if I go shoot like some globalist, they hit us with a bioweapon.
It's defensive.
jordan holmes
That doesn't sound true.
dan friesen
God won't be against me then.
jordan holmes
I really feel like God is actually one of those guys who's so hardcore on like little details.
dan friesen
He's persuadable.
jordan holmes
People think I'm a real black and white kind of kind of guy, but I mean, God is kind of specifically the black and white.
dan friesen
He is the good and evil.
jordan holmes
He's the alpha and Omega.
I mean, he's like the definition of those things.
dan friesen
Nah.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
God's full of nuance.
jordan holmes
Never mind.
dan friesen
So the left, they're the ones who are going to kick off a civil war.
jordan holmes
Obviously.
dan friesen
Alex and his friends are going to be the good folks.
jordan holmes
Sounds right.
alex jones
And their main plan is to get a civil war going in this country.
And they've said that.
So they're the clear and present danger.
They're the bad guys publicly plotting all this crap.
They said before they stole the election four years ago in the New York Times had a big war game with John Podesta.
They said, we're not going to accept him.
We're going to have our own electors.
We're going to go have our own thing in Colorado.
And we're going to put Joe Biden in.
That's everything they accused Trump of they were actually doing.
And so they're going to do that again, except they're going to activate Black Lives Matter and the Antifa and then their Islamic sleeper cells that, you know, are allied with the left.
That's why Biden's been so standovish about Iran.
And they're going to blow this country up.
And at that point, I'm a talk show host that saw way ahead of the curve.
I'm here.
We'll be taken off the air, guaranteed.
And I'm just going to take care of my family.
I'm going to say, hey, folks, it's your ballgame now.
And I say that because I want it to be clear where I stand.
They take me off the air.
They'll take everybody else off the air with the internet kill switch.
Only government stuff will be available in their mouthpieces.
And then what will they do?
They'll blow up a federal building and say that, oh, the guy did it because he's a Trump supporter, an Alex Jones supporter.
That is not true.
And none of my supporters ever do something like that.
But that's the real issue here is once they cut the communications, then they can stage events and blame it on the good guys to try to get public opinion on their side.
That's why I've got to say all this now so people remember this and see this and can underground show this clip so that people know.
Because I'm already having to war game the worst case scenarios here.
Now we've got a very good chance of getting Trump in.
The globalists are badly coordinated.
Everything they're doing is failing.
More and more of their people in government corporations know what's going on or leaking information and not following orders.
Bare minimum, just don't just don't follow orders to attack the American people.
And then the American people, just bare minimum, try to stay out of the way during a civil war, shooting random police, even if they're coming to do bad things.
You know, just try to stay out of their way.
Because it's a disaster.
This whole thing is a damn disaster.
dan friesen
It sounds like a disaster.
I do think that there's some truth to what Alex is saying, and that, like, yeah, if I get taken off the air, it's your ballgame because I can't sell pills in the drop shipping once this is gone.
Dr. Jones Naturals isn't going to help me out.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I'll be gone at that point.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Which is what a winter soldier would do.
jordan holmes
I mean, I would say that if of all the things that we've consistently heard Alex Jones fans say about him, that he is a leader of men is pretty high up there.
Somebody to be followed, somebody who can point the way.
dan friesen
Well, Alex says that his fans say that about him.
jordan holmes
In his belief system, he is the least analogy.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
All of that stuff.
I don't think that I want my leader to be like, hey, man, I guess just try and stay out of the way, maybe.
Shit's going to get wild out there.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's a disaster.
It's a disaster.
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes
That's your advice?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
unidentified
Good luck.
dan friesen
Smoke him if you got it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, right.
I mean, that would be advice that is better than, like, hey, try and stay out of the way.
What does stay out of the way even mean?
dan friesen
I'm not sure.
unidentified
Also, aren't I in a mortal fight to the death with evil?
jordan holmes
Shouldn't I be in the way?
dan friesen
You're an NPC in the good and evil battle.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
Yeah, you're not a factor.
jordan holmes
Why am I listening to you then?
Okay, fair enough.
dan friesen
So Alex is saying that the establishment or the left is going to try and frame some potential terrorist as a fan of his because he has a good reason to worry that someone who does end up carrying out something like blowing up a federal building might end up being one of his fans.
And it's easier to pretend that this stuff is fake news than it is to just deal with reality.
We don't cover this sort of thing much because it's often kind of just in the background, but there was a case this week that I wanted to mention.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
A woman named Julie Sulpizio was arrested on Monday after a cop was murdered in her home.
It's believed that what happened is that she and her husband, Michael, were convinced that their neighbors were satanic pedophiles, so she was going to lure them into her house where her husband would then kill them.
Police ended up responding to calls about her making a scene, so an officer ended up entering the home instead of one of the neighbors and was murdered in an ambush by the husband.
This resulted in a standoff, and before the police could get them to come out, Michael had shot himself in the head, as well as his two daughters.
They also had shot themselves in the head, aged 22 and 23.
In a search of their home, one of the things that the police noted finding was a bunch of Infowars flyers.
Yeah.
So, you know, I don't think that there's like, it's just a tragedy.
It's not, there's not any kind of like gotcha or anything in this, but this is the kind of thing that happens, and then Alex pretends is fake.
You know, like, they're just trying to smear me by associating me with this tragedy.
And that's just really not fair.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's a real bummer.
unidentified
Yep.
Yeah.
It's just fucking, I don't know.
dan friesen
Yep.
So Alex gets back to trying to demonize Tim Walz, who he definitely knows a lot about totally heard about.
alex jones
Absolutely.
This Tim Walz character.
We know he had the police stand down for four days.
They could burn half a stain.
We know he said, I love socialism.
Socialism's good.
It was really just communism.
We know his wife said she loved him burning down the cities.
He loved the smell of burning tires.
What a demon.
We know he got his mug shots and all the weirdness involved with him.
We'll do the dive.
Not a deep dive.
A deep dive would take five hours.
This guy, I've done the deep dive.
This guy took four hours.
His obsession with cutting children's testicles off, little girl's breast off, is next level.
dan friesen
So Walls has been an open supporter of trans rights.
So naturally, this would be a large part of Alex's attack on him.
It's predictable, but also I don't think that it's going to be super effective.
The right-wing talking points around trans issues are grotesque cartoons that play really well for the online social media shit.
But I don't think that yelling about Walls wanting to chop off genitals, I don't know if that's going to be super effective for roping in undecided voters.
I don't think this is a winning strategy.
As for the other stuff in there, half of Minnesota didn't burn down in 2020.
Walt's wife didn't say that she loved the smell of burning tires, and that mugshot is from a DUI he got 30 years ago.
You remember a little while back, certainly less than 30 years ago, when Alex got arrested for a DUI and then pretended he was going to go on a crusade against DUIs and there's bullshit arrests.
jordan holmes
I do remember that.
dan friesen
Oh, they're just trying to arrest innocent people and they've had one drink.
jordan holmes
Seems like he's not feeling that same kind of spirit right now.
dan friesen
I guess he forgot about that campaign he was going to go on.
unidentified
Odd.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And now he's got a mugshot of Waltz.
He dares drink and drive.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
I mean, you know, it sucks.
It sucks for me personally because I feel a call.
I feel a call.
I've been a very talented bully and mean person for most of my life.
And I feel like the right is floundering.
They have no idea what to do.
dan friesen
They've dominated the game for so long that it's very unexpected that they're floundering.
jordan holmes
The talent level was unnecessary.
The bullying was just simply you walk out.
The left is dodos.
They just walk up and they say, hi, I love you.
And then you hit them in the head.
Terrible.
Now this is happening and they don't know what to do.
And I mean, I feel like I should be getting a lot of calls, and I'm just not.
dan friesen
I mean, obviously, you don't want to give out free advice.
jordan holmes
No, that's why I'm not doing it.
I'm not giving out free advice.
You have to pay if you want to get the good shit.
dan friesen
So you're just offering your services as a bully.
jordan holmes
Blind consultancies are available.
And if you need to be mean, buddy, I got your skills.
dan friesen
See, this is an interesting ploy because I imagine someone trying to employ you in this way.
unidentified
I wouldn't.
dan friesen
And then you giving them really bad advice for the bullying backfires, which is sort of bullying them.
jordan holmes
If you tried to employ me to bully people, I'm going to bully you.
alex jones
I don't understand how you don't understand that.
dan friesen
And that is exactly what you should be paying for anyway.
Lesson learned.
This is an 80s movie.
So get some calls.
Alex, take some calls.
And here's a guy who has some thoughts about violence.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Let's talk to Hammer in Florida on civil war.
Go ahead.
hammer hardy in florida
Hey, Alex.
Thanks for taking my call.
I just want to say, you know, this reminds me of that movie 300.
And there's a couple of lessons in that movie that I think most people don't really recognize at first.
jordan holmes
You need more than 300?
hammer hardy in florida
The lesson that I learned from that movie and that whole story is that when you're faced with an enemy that's determined to either kill or enslave you, being peaceful is really just surrender.
And so, you know, I don't really see how we can avoid this because we're, regardless of whether or not we do anything offensive, they're just going to stage something, blame it on us anyway, and we're in the same predicament.
So, yeah, that's my two cents.
I don't really see that.
alex jones
Well, sure.
I mean, look, look, I'm not calling for anything against Bill Gates or anybody.
I'm just saying the way they pre-programmed it is you fight the government by going out and fighting the military.
No, in a real civil war, if we go to that, that they start, people will go after Fauci, Bill Gates, the Globals, which I'm not saying do.
I'm just saying if they want to start one, we should understand that, you know, it's the people that did this that need to be dealt with.
dan friesen
Yeah, so I guess Alex is just, I mean, he just wants you to be targeted.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Don't fight the military.
Go kill Bill Gates.
I mean, that's all that he seems to be saying.
Because the caller's point is that if your enemy is going to kill or enslave you, which he believes is true, which is what he's been told, then not fighting back offensively is surrender.
Right.
So the only thing you can do, really, in those circumstances is fight back preemptively.
If you wait too long, your ability to fight will be taken away.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Now, I'm going to throw this out at you.
All right.
Now, if you're the ultimate evil or enemy or whatever it is, with a competence level that I would assume is base, there's a base level competency to ruling the world, I would assume is necessary.
Something of the sort.
dan friesen
I would have thought.
jordan holmes
I would have thought that up until now.
But I feel like if you study the history of conflict between people, then you know that like wars and the stuff, the goal isn't to kill or enslave people.
It's usually about stuff.
It's usually about getting stuff.
So it's only in the stories that it's all about killing or enslaving people.
And so in real life, you should think more about like, oh, how do we deal with all the stuff?
dan friesen
Like resources.
jordan holmes
You'd think.
That would make the most sense.
Wow.
Instead of assuming that your enemy who lives next door to you is the ultimate evil who's only interested in killing or enslaving you.
dan friesen
But that's the thing is like this is all about the stories.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
It's just the stories in the moment as opposed to mythologizing the past.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That's what Alex is engaged in.
Ridiculous.
All the stories.
jordan holmes
Ridiculous.
dan friesen
So you get another caller who thinks that it's too late to not be violent.
alex jones
Wow.
Jim in North Carolina on unlawful orders on Americans.
Go ahead.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Hi, Alec.
corey in missouri
I just, you know, a little bone pick with you here.
I want to ask you a question.
Qualify this for us, if you could.
You keep saying legal and lawful all the time.
alex jones
Legal and lawful, legal and lawful.
unidentified
Is the Declaration of Independence legal and lawful?
alex jones
Oh, there is a right to revolt in the Declaration of Independence.
It doesn't give us the right.
It just points it out.
You've got places like New Hampshire that have right to revolt in their Constitution.
And I'm not saying people don't have a right to do whatever they think's right at this point because there's such a criminal government.
I'm saying they want violence because they're going to pre-programmed.
corey in missouri
They're going to have violence either way, Alex.
They're coming either way.
alex jones
See, that's the point.
corey in missouri
They're coming either way.
hammer hardy in florida
And you freaking know that.
corey in missouri
They're coming either way.
alex jones
Let me just stop you.
Hey, hey, hey, you're the big man.
So you're the general.
What do we do?
Who do we go kill today?
Because I'm a wimp.
I'm just up here under total globalist attack, putting my whole family and life on the line, trying to expose the enemy, trying to stop it, having huge effects here.
And then you call in and say, hey, Jones, you're being a wimp.
It's time for violence.
It's in the Declaration of Independence.
So you're going to go out and kill some people today?
Who are you going to kill?
Oh, Cricket's right there.
Yeah, he's gone.
He hung up.
I didn't hang up on him.
dan friesen
I would bet just about anything that they hung up on him.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, 100%.
dan friesen
They had Alex in such a trap.
jordan holmes
1 million.
dan friesen
Not get out of.
There is no way.
Like, Alex tried the best that he could with dancing around.
Like, oh, who are we going to kill?
Who are we going to kill?
jordan holmes
Boom, boom, boom.
You know, you just told me.
dan friesen
Yeah, you said Bill Gates and all the globalists and all them.
jordan holmes
They're coming either way, Alex.
You know that.
Do you know how I know that?
Because you told me.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I have just basically.
jordan holmes
I'm repeating to you.
dan friesen
Right.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
You always say legal and lawful.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Was the American Revolution legal and lawful?
Uh-oh.
jordan holmes
You know, we both know that you have been hiding behind legal and lawful.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because we've all kind of been hiding behind all this stuff.
dan friesen
What this caller essentially did is just say, cut the shit.
jordan holmes
Now it's time to fucking put on your big boy pants, if you will.
And Alex is like, no, this was never real.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
This was none of it.
dan friesen
And I don't think that he could talk his way through that.
No.
And so I think that it is necessary that you hang up on this call.
jordan holmes
You have to.
dan friesen
Think it's almost a responsible move on the part of the producers if they did that.
jordan holmes
Sure, because there's only the there's only the other option.
There's only the yes, finally you have reached the realization point that if all of my words mean all that they do, we are at a yes or no, there's no argument scenario.
We're at a do or die scenario, right?
dan friesen
And we have been literally forever and always will be.
jordan holmes
And now you're just fucking fed up with pretending that it's still on the way, right?
So you either have to say, like, hey, it's actually not that bad.
dan friesen
It's actually, honestly, it would be funny if that was Alex's response.
jordan holmes
Honestly, it's really not that bad.
dan friesen
I've been making all this stuff up about.
jordan holmes
I mean, really, Texas used to be higher.
Can you believe that?
We used to be a lot happier and the taxes were higher.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I don't even understand it.
It's not that bad.
dan friesen
So we get another caller because Alex moves along.
Sure.
And he has a lot of feelings about this caller who got hung up on, and that does keep going throughout the show where he's like, that fucking guy thinks he's so tough.
Yeah.
So there's a little bit of that.
But this caller, I like what he's bringing to the table.
alex jones
Corey in Missouri, you're on the air.
Go ahead.
corey in missouri
Hey, what's going on?
Can you hear me?
dan friesen
Let me be clear.
jordan holmes
I don't actually like what he's before what he's brought to the table is brought.
Let's be very specific about the word light.
dan friesen
He introduces the idea of freaking out the demons.
I kind of like that, but the rest of this is bad.
alex jones
Live show, sir.
Go ahead.
You want to comment?
corey in missouri
Yeah, so I'm glad you actually came in at this time.
So, yeah, we need to identify exactly in our state who is causing these issues.
So there's a scripture that's Proverbs 21:12.
It says the righteous one takes note of the house of the wicked and brings the wicked to ruin.
jordan holmes
Totes.
corey in missouri
We need to take note of the house of the wicked.
See, the wicked lie in wait, it says, to lay ambush to the righteous.
jordan holmes
Solomon, you're crazy.
corey in missouri
How they can attack us and overthrow us.
We need to take note of who exactly wants this civil war, who is provoking it.
Literally, guys, like grab a piece of paper and a pen and take notes.
The Bible says, take notes.
And if we can turn our spiritual attention, our intention towards those in charge of this right now, turn our spiritual eyes to them.
We can all unite and just look at them in the spirit.
It's about to walk in the spirit.
Look at them.
And we have to freak the devil out.
We have to realize these are demons in these people taunting us.
jordan holmes
Hell yeah.
corey in missouri
We have to realize that the Bible says we have authority over all the powers of the devil.
Nothing shall by any means hurt us.
alex jones
Absolutely.
So let me ask you this so that you can elaborate.
What do you make of that caller?
Maybe he's a part of the pump or not.
Calling in trying to get me a call for violence or I'm not a tough guy.
But then when I told him, okay, what do we do?
He didn't want to talk, did he?
unidentified
Yeah, I think he's not realizing this is a spiritual thing first.
You got to stop it spiritually, or else, yeah, the devil loves men to get so mad at men that they fight each other and kill each other and step back and laugh.
dan friesen
Yeah, don't worry, Alex.
You're still a big boy.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
You're still cool.
It's all good.
So I just love the premise of freaking out the devil.
jordan holmes
I love it.
dan friesen
Look at him and he'll freak him out.
Freak out these demons.
jordan holmes
One, the Bible says you got the power.
dan friesen
So just use it.
Turn your spiritual attention on a demon and freak out.
jordan holmes
Freak him out.
Freak him the fuck out.
John Constantine, that shit.
dan friesen
That seems generally harmless.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm down.
dan friesen
It's more harmless than making lists of people who are problems in your area.
That's a bad road to go down.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
This guy does end up also suggesting that you find people who are annoying on Twitter and then send them like, I know you're a demon.
jordan holmes
I know you're a demon.
I know what you're doing.
All right.
I like that.
dan friesen
This is where it goes off track because then you're getting into harassy territory.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, that's no good.
dan friesen
And he wants you to send all these people on Twitter that Bible verse, Proverbs 2112.
And I say, don't do that.
jordan holmes
Don't do that.
dan friesen
Send them a link to Russia's great album, 2112.
Their concept album.
jordan holmes
What was the Mountain Goats album?
Alex does that great thing that really annoying and shitty people do, which is that you've been to a party.
Like, you're in a group of people, and this one person has said their thing, and everybody knows the person's deal.
Everybody knows what's up.
Everybody engaged with it, and everybody's stoked to have moved on.
And now we're engaging in our adult conversation to have fun.
And everything's going wrong fine.
And then that person says something again, and everybody knows, like the moment their voice opens up, you're like, you're starting that first conversation again.
dan friesen
Right.
They say something that connects to what you were talking about.
And then it just weeds.
jordan holmes
No, no, you son of a man.
I knew it.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yep.
dan friesen
I want to talk about if my feelings were hurt by that caller.
jordan holmes
We did that.
dan friesen
He thinks he's more of a man than me.
jordan holmes
You are no longer welcome.
dan friesen
Reassure me, caller who wants to freak out demons.
jordan holmes
Great.
Yikes.
dan friesen
Super cool.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Roger Stone is going to come on.
Sure.
And I find this unpalatable.
So they're talking a bit about Tim Walz.
And I just, I find this to be on it.
You could just, I'm done.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
I mean, this guy is a train wreck.
The articles on Infowars.com with a full interview.
Tim Walz, no right to free speech what government deems misinformation or hate speech.
So if they define it, it's like the EU, you don't have it.
Here's the club.
unidentified
Back on this.
There's no guarantee to free speech on misinformation or hate speech and especially around our democracy.
I think we need to push back on this.
There's no guarantee to free speech on misinformation or hate speech and especially around our democracy.
I think we need to push back on this.
There's no guarantee.
alex jones
So this guy is incredible.
You were the first to predict he would be the guy three weeks ago.
dan friesen
So when I say I've had enough, it's like Roger's been predicting for years that Michelle Obama was going to be the Democratic nominee.
Now he gets some kind of profit points for calling Tim Walz' Harris's VP choice.
Like, what about the part where he's been wrong for years?
Are we supposed to just forget about that because it would hurt my ability to be distracted by shiny keys that we're putting up today?
This is stupid.
I find it unacceptable.
Roger has been doing this for years.
He has a bit, and they're just pretending that that bit is not really invalidated by this being the official Democratic ticket.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I would say this.
I think North Korean ballots is the end.
That was the apotheosis.
dan friesen
That was the high point for Roger.
jordan holmes
That was when it never is going to reach that again.
And it's just, it's just clear.
dan friesen
That was where he had Steve Pieczenik's soul in him for a minute.
jordan holmes
He had the spirit.
He had the spirit in him, and that it's just never coming back.
dan friesen
I think that he's too worldly.
You know, like he has too much of an actual career that is intersected with important things through history, and he's cynical.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I think that doesn't allow him to shoot for the stars in a way that like the ballots on the phone was.
That was a representation of like, you're living the dream.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there is a certain amount of like, he doesn't know that he's free.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because he, because there's that path of thinking that you can get trapped in that you're not trapped in, but because you don't even know you're trapped in it.
Like he doesn't actually think he's still going to have like a consulting job.
He's not going to be in the White House.
He doesn't think that stuff, but he's also not capable of being the type of free that allows you to be like, actually, Tim Walz is also from North Korea.
You know, like he doesn't have that kind of level of like, I am free.
dan friesen
Right.
Yeah.
I know the first person who had COVID very well because it's me.
Energy there for the taking if Roger wants it.
Yeah, I don't know.
jordan holmes
You got to have it.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So you might notice that Alex uses that very neatly edited, very short clip of Walls.
And if you see something like that, especially when it keeps repeating, you should ask yourself if there's a larger context that's being ignored in order to send a fraudulent message.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
No surprise.
In this case, there is.
Walls was specifically talking about people spreading misinformation about voting as a voter intimidation tactic and how that's not protected free speech.
For instance, he's talking about people spreading the idea that mail-in ballots are illegal or intimidation of people at the physical polling places.
It's already illegal to do stuff like this.
Like Jacob Wall famously got a fine of about $5 million against him for his Robocall scheme in the 2020 election, where he attempted to target non-white voters and scare them out of using mail-in ballots.
All Walls is saying here is that we need to take this stuff more seriously, and it is not protected speech to try and disrupt an election with speech.
Yeah.
So you can get fined for like trying to send the message intentionally of the wrong voting day, trying to mislead people about who is eligible to vote.
That kind of stuff is against the law.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it actually almost kind of confused me that they didn't edit the clip shorter.
Like, I feel like what you do is you just have the, you don't have a guaranteed to free speech, and then just repeat that because I don't feel like that, the rest of it was far off from what Alex might have said.
You're like, no, you don't have a guaranteed to free speech.
The FBI shouldn't be able to lie to your faces.
Misinformation isn't free.
You know, that kind of thing.
dan friesen
I think if you make the clip any shorter, it's too short.
jordan holmes
It's too obvious that your guys are just lying.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But the context that remains in the part that he played is close enough to what Alex is saying.
unidentified
Yeah, it is.
dan friesen
That you can pass it off.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But any further, if you had any more of the context of what he was saying, it would just fall apart.
And Alex tries to pull this trick twice.
jordan holmes
Twice.
alex jones
Roger, before we get your take on this, here's the raw clip.
We played with Mr. Rogers' music earlier.
We want to play it raw.
Here he is saying to be a good neighbor is to be socialist.
Here it is.
unidentified
Don't ever shy away from our progressive values.
One person's socialism is another person's neighborliness.
Just do the damn work.
Don't ever, don't ever shy away from our progressive values.
One person's socialism is another person's neighborliness.
Just do the damn work.
alex jones
Don't ever, don't ever.
That's good.
And we have a new clip of him just a few years ago saying he was in combat in Iraq.
He was never there.
He's resigned his commission.
dan friesen
So he didn't say the clip that Alex plays doesn't say that he was in combat in Iraq.
They're trying to attack his military shot.
They tried to do a swift boat thing, and it's pretty shitty.
But you might notice again that Alex is playing a very short, out-of-context clip to characterize Walls here.
This was something that he said on the white dudes for Kamala Harris fundraising call, and it's actually kind of poking fun at people who just call everything socialism.
They probably are in favor of a particular policy like social security, but they're taught to respond negatively to the word socialism when in reality, it's just being a good neighbor.
jordan holmes
Children should eat, right?
roger stone
Socialize up!
jordan holmes
Wait, no, you actually are lampooning that in what he's saying.
dan friesen
One person's socialism is another person's being neighborly.
The larger context of what he's saying was encouraging people to get out and knock on doors to talk to undecided voters and voters in red areas because they aren't bad people.
They aren't all Trump.
They're people who have real concerns and real needs, many of which are better served by left-leaning policies, and it might be possible to reach them.
That's the message that has been sliced down into this scare quote.
It's just ridiculous.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's a very sad game they're trying to pull.
jordan holmes
Well, the problem they've had, where I guess the problem we've had, really, is like you're not supposed to be able to, you're not supposed to be able to say it like that, right?
If you do actually get elected in our history, if you're a Democrat that gets elected who says stuff like, maybe people should eat, then whenever you don't actually feed people, people get mad at you.
So then over the years, you're like, well, we're not actually going to feed people.
So here's what we're going to do.
We're going to try and come up with plans that will help people maybe get food eventually.
And that way you won't think I'm a liar.
But then whenever you get elected, you don't even do that.
So it's like, fuck it.
So now Tim is just like, hey, fuck it.
Let's feed people.
Oh.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And you hope it doesn't end up being watered down.
But you don't know.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but I mean, as far as messaging goes, the problem wasn't that the messaging was bad that we should feed people.
The problem was that the fall.
dan friesen
The follow-through.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
So they were like, well, we just won't say it.
It's like, no, no, no, you keep saying it and then do it.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I think that, you know, from everything I've seen of the response to him as a candidate in terms of like the real world, not Alex's world.
Sure, sure, sure.
I think that there is a very decent sort of tone that's struck that is that he has a lot of reasons to be excited about the things that he says.
alex jones
Sure.
dan friesen
But we also have been disappointed.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
You know, so there's a sort of cautious enthusiasm that I feel is pretty good.
I think it's a healthy response so far and some decent memes.
jordan holmes
We'll see what happens.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex has another clip that he plays, but not of Walls.
This one's of Jamie Raskin.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
This cannot be underestimated.
We know Raskin is one of the top strategy individuals.
The congressman ran the fake J6 committee, interrogated myself, you and others.
We took the fifth wisely.
Not that we had anything wrong to hide, but he would twist it, you know, saying we're going to have a civil war atmosphere.
We're going to remove Trump when he wins.
Let's go ahead and get that clip out of the way and get Rogers' take on it.
jamie raskin
Because what can be put into the Constitution can slip away from you very quickly.
And the greatest example going on right now before our very eyes is Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, which they're just disappearing with the magic wand as if it doesn't exist, even though it could not be clearer what it's stating.
And so, you know, they want to kick it to Congress.
So it's going to be up to us on January 6th, 2025, to tell the rampaging Trump mobs that he's disqualified.
And then we need bodyguards for everybody in civil war conditions, all because the nine justices, not all of them, but these justices who have not many cases to look at every year, not that much work to do, a huge staff, great protection, simply do not want to do their job and interpret what the great 14th Amendment means.
alex jones
So he needs bodyguards for civil war.
dan friesen
So that video is from February 17th, prior to the Supreme Court's decision on whether or not Trump could be disqualified from state ballots over the 14th Amendment.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Alex is acting like this is a new clip because that pushes the narrative that he wants and because it was just circulating on social media, so he probably thinks it's new.
But this is a position that Raskin expressed at a different time under different circumstances.
He was probably a bit irresponsible to express himself this way, but this is like six months old.
And mostly what he's complaining about is the Supreme Court not deciding this one way or the other and putting him and Congress in a position where they need to do something.
Yep.
And that is not a situation that's going to happen because they made a decision.
So this is all out-of-date shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, it is one of those, it's just another one of those messaging things where it's just like, hey, man, what you really want to say is the Supreme Court doesn't fucking work.
And, well, you know, and then he said all those other stuff, and that can be twisted and all kinds of other stuff.
But what he's really saying is like, do your fucking job.
jamie raskin
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And then I won't be in trouble.
dan friesen
The bottom line of what he's saying is you need to make a decision because it's inappropriate.
These are the sort of conditions that we could end up in if you don't make a decision.
jordan holmes
You've got time.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You're not busy.
dan friesen
And they did make a decision.
jordan holmes
Harlan Crowe spent a billion dollars on your flight here.
unidentified
So you got it.
dan friesen
In terms of what Raskin was wanting, they did get a decision on that.
jordan holmes
Game over.
dan friesen
And so this isn't even relevant anymore.
jordan holmes
All non-existent.
dan friesen
So we've got Alex playing these tiny clips of Tim Walz that are completely out of context.
He's got this old clip of Raskin that is him announcing a civil war.
jordan holmes
Not going to do it.
dan friesen
There's nothing here.
There's no juice.
This sucks.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
You would need some kind of expert in bullying to really get this one going.
dan friesen
And then you got Roger, who for a long time has been super proud of how consistent he's been about Michelle Obama being the candidate and all this shit.
Coming in and trying to pretend that he didn't say all that stuff and that he actually has his finger on the pulse.
It's just delusional.
And then, yeah, Roger just sucks.
roger stone
We really are in the stretch now.
Both parties have their candidates.
And if they could get Donald Trump off the campaign trail on this New York charge, if he ends up being incarcerated, even if it's for 60 days or 90 days, that would be the most egregious example.
alex jones
And if they tried to kill him in Butler, they're going to try to kill him at Rikers.
roger stone
That is a legitimate concern, as we have talked about here extensively.
Multiple Christian prophets with an incredible and uncanny accuracy in terms of their prophecies have all predicted a second, or I should say, another assassination attempt against Trump.
dan friesen
That's the wrong kind of swing.
You're swinging in the wrong direction.
You're just another face in the crowd when you're acting like this.
Many Christian prophets have suggested.
jordan holmes
That's not how it works, man.
You can't be a rational person who's also in the political game, who's like, nobody's right 100% of the time.
But also, like, well, Jesus is real.
And these prophets are uncannily accurate.
No, it's God or it's not God.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And you're not going to set yourself apart in the current right wing when you're doing just many Christian prophets have warned boo.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Get off the stage.
dan friesen
It's a little hacky and doesn't fit for like the potential that Roger has.
He's in a unique position where he could really turn himself into some kind of remarkable.
I see him as maybe even being able to do a villainous musical number.
jordan holmes
It does feel.
dan friesen
And he's just doing standard Christian prophet end times nonsense.
He's a wet fart.
jordan holmes
It feels like there's a spot for a Roger Stone rat fucker extraordinaire, been retired, pretended to get Jesus, decides, fuck it, I am on the side of the devil, and we are choosing evil today, and then goes and lays waste to this world.
That's the Roger that you're supposed to be.
That's how you want to go out.
dan friesen
That's why this is disappointing.
jordan holmes
And he's just retiring in Florida.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And just becoming another of this guy.
Yeah.
It's just, it's sad.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Also, you can't do this, the ticket is decided, and not every single time be like, and I was wrong for two years.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, you just can't.
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's embarrassing.
jordan holmes
It would be a surprise for anybody to admit they were wrong in 2024.
dan friesen
Yeah, but Roger really should.
They made a lot of, they talked just constantly about how Michelle was going to be the candidate.
Anyway, we got one more clip here.
And you may recall that a little bit ago, Alex was really mad that Netanyahu said that if they kill Trump, we got to blow up Iran.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Right?
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
He spent a day yelling.
jordan holmes
It's a bad thing for him to say that.
dan friesen
Alex has realized that Trump said it.
Ooh.
So his tone is a little different.
jordan holmes
That was a good idea.
alex jones
Now they arrest this guy, funded by the Iranians as Pakistani, trying to kill Trump.
Trump says, if I get killed, blow up Iran.
It wasn't Iran trying to kill him and Butler.
And I hope Trump stops saying that.
But clearly, I even said before they announced this, they're going to blame Iran for the assassination, and now they're trying.
This is very, very troubling.
dan friesen
Yeah, I hope Trump stops saying that.
He's falling into a globalist trap by saying it.
It's very different than when he was pretending that Niao said it.
jordan holmes
It is a big difference.
A lot less fire.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So this man from Pakistan that Alex is referring to is named Asif Merchant, and he was arrested on July 12th, notably the day prior to the shooting at Trump's Butler rally.
He has literally nothing to do with that assassination attempt that happened, but was allegedly planning a hit on Trump in, quote, late August or early September, according to CNN.
So it's something entirely different that Alex is just merging into one thing because it's easier for him and more convenient.
jordan holmes
Ah, man, I'm just going to go ahead and say it.
I feel like you have to hammer down a date before you can be arrested.
Can't be like, ah, we'll do it in spring.
No.
No, no, no.
You don't get to arrest somebody if they're planning on a vacation in spring.
Doesn't count.
Doesn't count.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I think I'm more of a fall.
Here's what I respond to that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I would say that maybe he did have a date.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And the late August, early September is just what he was telling people.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
All right.
In order to keep some sort of vagueness to it.
Keep some flexibility.
jordan holmes
Like it's like his birthday.
He doesn't want people to be giving him a surprise by rapping.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm 38, 34.
dan friesen
He might have had more specifics in mind than that.
jordan holmes
Sure.
You can't know a man's spirit.
dan friesen
I don't care.
So here is what else happens on the show.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Max Kaiser comes in.
unidentified
Oh, God.
dan friesen
Bitcoin.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
Yeah, and they're talking a bit about Bitcoin and shit.
And I noticed that Max is wearing a Bukele hat, the El Salvadorian president.
He's wearing a Bukele hat.
jordan holmes
The guy who turned the whole country into Bitcoin?
dan friesen
He's a big Bitcoin.
And also not a human rights guy.
jordan holmes
Not a huge rights guy.
More of a Bitcoin guy.
dan friesen
Managed to get the crime rate down considerably by government crime against human rights.
jordan holmes
Turning the crime rate to 100% is in a sort of way turning it all the way down to zero.
dan friesen
Well, when it's other people doing it in the government, it doesn't count.
jordan holmes
I wish that was not a prevailing thought process.
dan friesen
So there's a lot of trouble with Bukeley, but he's a big hero for folks like Alex and Max, especially because he's all about the Bitcoin.
He loves it.
jordan holmes
Weird.
dan friesen
He can't get enough of this stuff.
He's made millions and millions and millions.
Who knows?
Maybe billions of dollars from Bitcoin.
And so I was listening to this.
I was like, I don't care.
Max Kaiser is a pretty transparent force at this point.
He's kind of boring.
But then they started talking about how he was coming to the show live from El Salvador.
Max has moved to El Salvador.
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes
He's moved to El Salvador?
unidentified
Yeah.
What?
dan friesen
He's like, Bukele is the hope for the future of the free world.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
It's just going real deep.
unidentified
Wow.
jordan holmes
Wow.
That's one of those things where you're like, dude, you have taken the wrong step.
You are taking that step that a lot of people in the past have taken before.
And the next step after this one is a big fall.
You are not going to like it.
dan friesen
It's very interesting.
I think it's overcommitting.
Definitely.
And it's silly that he's wearing a Bukele hat.
jordan holmes
That's no good.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I don't.
jordan holmes
That's no good.
dan friesen
Anyway, it didn't do it for me.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Found it a little boring.
But we find what Alex's take on the Walls choice was.
And it feels empty.
jordan holmes
Yep.
Yep.
You know, I would say that I would, you know, there's a part of me that looks at the things happening now and goes, like, historically, immediacy bias.
It's very nice.
Everybody's having a good time.
This is instant.
Things change.
And then, you know, reality will hit and then we'll have some more time.
But there is another part of me that's like, these people just don't have the juice.
They just don't have the juice.
The memes that were when they thought they were good were trash.
And now they know they're trash and they're trying to make good stuff.
And it's even worse.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like they just don't have the juice to do the things that they need to do.
And I think it's essentially because they don't think they never really had to before.
dan friesen
And the whole weird thing has really shook the foundation.
unidentified
Again, again, this is what I'm saying.
jordan holmes
This is not hard to defeat the whole weird thing.
You guys are not geniuses for coming up with a bullying word like weird.
Congratulations.
dan friesen
I'm not saying that anyone's a genius for coming up with it, but I don't think that it's as easy to respond to for these weirdos.
unidentified
No, it's not.
jordan holmes
Because they don't have it.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Again, blind consultancy.
Jordan Holmes.
For all your bullying needs.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
If you want to defeat the word weird with any number of also other words, you should found this business in El Salvador.
It would be essentially my version of Roger Stone and their business, right?
It would be lobbying.
Yeah, it would be that bullshit.
dan friesen
Well, good luck with that.
jordan holmes
No, I don't want to do it.
dan friesen
Okay, then don't.
jordan holmes
It's evil.
dan friesen
Anyway, we'll be back in another episode.
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
Indeed, we do.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Yep.
We'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
Oh, I'm back to being Neo.
unidentified
Because I was on audio before.
dan friesen
I'm DZX Clark.
I am the mysterious professor.
Yeah, woo, yeah, woo.
jordan holmes
And now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your work.
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