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Aug. 2, 2024 - Knowledge Fight
01:56:48
#950: August 1, 2024

In this installment, Dan and Jordan tune in to see Alex's response to Trump's recent behavior, and find him having his biggest epiphany, interviewing a "muckraker," and doing a string of horrible impressions.

Participants
Main voices
a
alex jones
26:26
d
dan friesen
43:42
j
jordan holmes
31:07
Appearances
b
brandon biggs
04:02
d
donald j trump
01:20
p
pastor steve cioccolanti
02:13
Clips
a
anthony rubin
00:21
p
pastor david manning
00:02
s
steve quayle
00:02
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Speaker Time Text
unidentified
knowledge fight Dan and Jordan I am sweating knowledgefight.com it's time to pray I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.
alex jones
Knowledge Fight.
donald j trump
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Need money.
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
Stop it.
Andy in Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding us.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your world.
donald j trump
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.com.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody!
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
unidentified
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are.
unidentified
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
I have a quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today, buddy?
dan friesen
My bright spot today, Jordan, is...
Venom 2. Let there be carnage.
jordan holmes
I was wondering when you were going to get there.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Went over to my friend Angela Lampsbury and watched Venom 2 with her and her partner last night.
A lot of fun.
Those movies are good.
jordan holmes
They're great.
dan friesen
They're delightful.
Tom Hardy is killing it.
jordan holmes
Spectacular.
dan friesen
Venom's a great character.
Two of them have a fine...
jordan holmes
Electric, in a way.
dan friesen
The chemistry is there.
jordan holmes
It is really weird, like, in a genuinely, like, sometimes when you're watching a rom-com and the dialogue hits, you're like, you know what, I get why these are here.
And it feels a lot like that between Tom Hardy and Venom.
dan friesen
Yeah, and they're playing a lot of games in terms of the story.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's great.
dan friesen
Wait, come on.
jordan holmes
You guys did great.
Good job, guys.
dan friesen
Good job.
jordan holmes
Yeah, good job.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Maybe, you know, I watch a ton of movies.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And maybe I just, I'm enjoying a lot of them.
I even liked Morbius.
jordan holmes
I do appreciate your trip through the Sony anti-Spiderverse.
dan friesen
It doesn't need Spider-Man.
jordan holmes
No, I love looking at it.
There's no need for Spider-Man!
No, it's beautiful.
It is beautiful.
Because it is just a perspective...
Of no expectations.
That is refreshing.
dan friesen
Well, we watched Madame Web and then Morbius and then Venom and Venom 2. And I've enjoyed all of them for what they are, which makes me worried that if I were to actually watch the Spider-Verse movies, they'd be too good for me.
They would be so good that I wouldn't be able to handle it.
jordan holmes
I will say that if I was going to boil down your reviews up to this point, it would be Morbius and Madame Web.
Good job.
Venoms, great job.
dan friesen
That's it.
Well, Adam, what I've been more because it was like, I was defensive, like, they told a story.
Which is true.
jordan holmes
They completed the brief.
dan friesen
Yeah, whereas the Venom was actually enjoyable.
But anyway, good times.
What's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
I was, well, I had a bright spot this morning and it has now been updated.
So I'll tell you my earlier bright spot.
So my hard drive.
Containing all of my music had died.
dan friesen
Right.
This was a while back.
We remember this.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
And I forgot, or not forgot so much, but I had it backed up on my old computer, which was more than a decade old.
One of those classic bricks.
MacBook Pro brick-ass huge, oh, it's beautiful, right?
So I had to go through a...
Four-hour process of redoing all of that stuff, but at the end of it, I recovered everything.
dan friesen
Wow.
unidentified
It was beautiful.
dan friesen
So you got your old collection back.
jordan holmes
I got my old collection.
It was beautiful.
It was a struggle and required a lot more than I thought I was going to be able to do.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
But it happened!
dan friesen
So now you get to go back through and rediscover some stuff, because once your collection gets taken away...
You reclaim it, and you're like, oh my god, there's all this stuff that I had forgotten I'd lost.
unidentified
Totally.
jordan holmes
Oh, I've had the same, like, you know, 200, 300 albums on my iPhone for the past year, and that's not enough.
It's just not enough.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
So now it's all gone, and I'm going to restart from...
Ah, it's beautiful.
Great.
unidentified
It's beautiful.
dan friesen
Well, enjoy.
jordan holmes
But my updated bright spot is actually, and it is partially because I know you're getting better at this, which is accepting compliments.
By no means should we be able to record this fast after this episode.
It is a legitimately impressive thing that you turned it around so quickly.
I would have been totally fine.
We're recording this before it gets dark out.
I was expecting far later for a show that ends at 3 or whatever.
dan friesen
Yeah, we're recording this at about 5. And we're talking about Alex's show from today.
jordan holmes
It is legitimately an impressive feat for a team of people, and you have done it.
By yourself.
So, accept this compliment, sir!
I challenge thee!
dan friesen
I'll try.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Uh, what would Venom do?
This is the new question.
jordan holmes
Am I the Tom Hardy in this scenario?
dan friesen
I'm not sure.
jordan holmes
I would jump into a tank and fight a lobster.
dan friesen
You are the person who would be more likely to have a weird YouTube show where you break down the truth.
This episode's dumb, so that helps.
jordan holmes
This is pretty stupid.
dan friesen
So I had been watching his show, and I was feeling like...
There's not a whole lot going on.
It feels like we're in a they're going to kill Trump again thing.
I don't know.
It feels like treading water a little bit.
And then yesterday, as we're recording this, Trump went and spoke at the National Association of Black Journalists.
And it was one of the...
More unsettling things you can see.
jordan holmes
It was great.
I loved it.
dan friesen
It was a very mad person who was on stage.
Expressing some pretty racist ideas.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
Pretty...
I don't know.
Unhinged seems like a stupid word.
jordan holmes
I mean, the dude grabbed a water bottle and tightened it.
I don't know what body language you need.
dan friesen
He kept...
Doing his hand stuff?
jordan holmes
Oh, he was very comfortable.
dan friesen
Saying that Kamala Harris had decided that she wanted to turn black or something?
jordan holmes
I'll just tell you what, it's a person who thinks non-whites are equal to whites.
dan friesen
He's pretty, like, he's enlightened.
He's also talking about how J.D. Vance doesn't matter and who cares about the vice president.
jordan holmes
It's great stuff.
dan friesen
It was just all over the place and super fucked up.
jordan holmes
Once again, he has a talent for defeating the media that I think is unparalleled and should be studied because...
First thing that happens is this.
He is saying extremely racist things to people's faces that his audience understands might as well be him saying, she's a lying N-word, right?
They understand that.
But the media goes like, oh, Trump questions birth identity, which is like, what are we doing here?
We've gone down this road before.
But then what it hides is even better.
All of the absolutely, truly insane shit goes by the...
dan friesen
Sure.
Sure.
jordan holmes
Like, J.D. Vance doesn't matter is an insane thing to say about your own VP pick.
dan friesen
Yeah, it would be tough to hear if you're Vance.
You can't feel great.
jordan holmes
I mean, HW was like, listen, I understand that Dan Quayle can't spell potato, but I'm standing by the guy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
All right?
dan friesen
I love him.
unidentified
He's cool as shit.
jordan holmes
Not like, eh, just because he can't read doesn't mean he's a problem.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It was just disorienting in a lot of ways.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Just the whole thing.
It was supposed to go longer, and then they cut it short.
It just...
Everything was wrong about it.
And so I texted you yesterday.
I think we've got to cover Alex's response to this.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
Because whatever it'll be, it'll be something interesting.
jordan holmes
Oh, totally.
dan friesen
I guess.
And so that's why we're getting this one turned around real fast.
jordan holmes
Hell yeah.
dan friesen
But yeah, it's dumb.
This episode's dumb.
And one of the reasons is because as I was watching the stuff unfold with the black journalist conference, I was watching it and I was like, This is bad.
This looks bad.
You know?
Like, this isn't going to play well with audiences.
jordan holmes
Anybody.
dan friesen
Right.
But then, I was taking a step back, and I'm like, he's actually kind of on message.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, if you're a normal person and you're looking at this, you're thinking, whoa, he's way off.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
He is saying stuff that he should never be saying.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But it's not that far off from stuff he normally says.
It's not far off from the rhetoric that is pretty normal in spaces like Alex's show and other right wing media outlets.
Like Alex has been saying that Kamala Harris isn't black for a while now.
Like this is all pretty regular.
Yeah.
unidentified
And so I was like, I think we're going to tune into Alex's show and there's going to be nothing.
dan friesen
He's just going to be like Trump disheartened.
jordan holmes
I mean, that's possible.
What if...
And now, I understand this might be a difficult booking, but what if he got The Ghost of George Wallace?
dan friesen
He kind of does.
Every episode.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
Kind of, spiritually, George Wallace lives within him.
unidentified
There's an angel and a devil on each shoulder, but they're both George Wallace, and they say the same shit.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I don't know.
Anyway, this episode's dumb.
We'll talk about it anyway.
And before we do, let's say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, I don't want to be a baller or an Infowars caller.
20 Tito's bottles couldn't make Alex's tails taller.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
Now that's interesting because as I was reading it, I started to realize that it's supposed to be in a rhythm.
But I don't know if it's Ski-Lo.
Wish it was a little bit taller.
Wish it was a baller.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Or if it's Lil' Troy.
unidentified
Want to be a baller, shot caller, 20-inch blades, only impala.
Sure.
dan friesen
I'm not sure which one it is.
So whichever it is, I wish I would have done it.
jordan holmes
The scansion is a little bit different between the two.
You have a difference of, I would say, iambic.
dan friesen
I think it was a little trite.
jordan holmes
That's my guess.
That's possible.
dan friesen
So next, thank you for all you do, Dan and Jordan.
I hope Alex goes bankrupt, and I get to listen to you guys read from the telephone book.
Do they still have those?
Thank you so much for an hour policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
We'll do that.
Next, I consider myself an ass man, but Dr. Jones' big naturals got me shook.
Thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
I like that I literally, we literally used to be semi-professional comedians, and now somehow we're like, this is below us.
dan friesen
I don't think it's below us.
Next, happy birthday, Ben!
Also, Leonard Skinner does not prog rock.
Thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy guy.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
I have to defend that.
It is not that I was calling Lynyrd Skynyrd prog rock.
It was that I was comparing Alex to a child with his prog rock.
Do you know that there's a specific type of kid in the 70s who was listening to Yes with their record player?
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
I'm comparing him to that kid.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I'm a little defensive about this.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
I'm a little defensive.
All right.
dan friesen
You're right and wrong.
jordan holmes
I am wrong.
dan friesen
So we had a technocrat in the mix, Jordan.
So thank you so much to Juniper Transfem era.
Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars.
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
pastor david manning
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
alex jones
Daddy Shark.
Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp.
Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser little titty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
I was looking back over it, and I definitely think it's a little Troy.
jordan holmes
Hmm.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay, good.
dan friesen
I think the rhythm and the meter cannot be ski low.
jordan holmes
It can't be ski low.
Okay.
dan friesen
So we start off the episode, and I'll say, obviously I'm tuning in because I want to hear the response that Alex has to the journalist convention, and instead, here is where we're at.
alex jones
It's August 1st, 2024, on this Thursday transmission, and I've had a massive epiphany the last 24 hours.
Get ready.
unidentified
Ooh!
InfoWars, the most banned network in the world.
alex jones
In the world.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Big epiphany in the last 24 hours.
jordan holmes
Okay, what could this possibly be?
dan friesen
Who knows?
jordan holmes
He's not going to reveal it, is he?
dan friesen
No, he is.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
He's going to talk quite a bit about it.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
All right.
Big epiphany.
dan friesen
And I'll say it's...
From a mental health perspective, it's unhealthy even for him.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's good.
dan friesen
That's what level of epiphany we're talking about.
jordan holmes
Yeah, maybe...
Man, what a great epiphany it would be if it was like, I'm just going to quit.
Bye.
What a great epiphany.
dan friesen
Can I give you this tease?
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
It has nothing to do with his epiphany, but he does end up quitting at one point during the show.
jordan holmes
That makes sense.
dan friesen
So both of these things do happen.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this all makes sense.
dan friesen
So Alex teases a little bit here about his epiphany.
And it's apparently the biggest ever.
alex jones
I've probably had, I don't know, 20 or so epiphanies in my life.
Your head blows off and you have such a massive understanding of things.
But I had the biggest one yet.
Over the last 24 hours, and I was just calmly grasping this this morning, and I already knew it for years, but the fact that out of humbleness, I had never talked about it.
But it isn't really about me.
I was just chosen by the establishment to be targeted, and then now that's blown up in their face.
And I was first told about this.
Five years ago by Mike Cernovich, who's really smart and knows a lot of heavy hitters.
I'll leave it at that.
He advises some of the most powerful people in the world behind the scenes.
He said a little bit about it, so I can say that, but it's private.
But he is very smart.
dan friesen
Oh yeah, he definitely is.
Love that guy.
He's real cool.
Sort of sucks.
So this is some revelation epiphany that Alex has had over the last 24 hours, which is the biggest he's ever had.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Which theoretically is bigger than the chicken fried steak mind blow that he had.
jordan holmes
I don't know if that's an epiphany so much as a revelation.
dan friesen
I feel like we're going to have to split hairs.
jordan holmes
I split hairs, but it comes to words.
dan friesen
Whatever.
Fine.
We'll put that in a different category.
This is still the biggest epiphany that Alex has had.
And it's based on something that Mike Cernovich told him like five years ago.
jordan holmes
Can you just be told an epiphany?
Can you just repeat the thing somebody told you and call it an epiphany?
dan friesen
I think so.
Because I think that you can be told something and then it not really hit you until later.
And I think that that's what Alex is trying to express.
He didn't internalize this or realize it.
He just thought of it as a thought as opposed to something experienced.
jordan holmes
So it's like a delayed release capsule.
dan friesen
Yes.
And Alex can't sit on it.
He can't just sit here.
jordan holmes
Like a delayed release capsule.
dan friesen
He has to let it flow.
alex jones
And he told me this, and I was like, okay.
And then over the years, I was told this by other big tech people and others.
I mean, high-level, well-known names, billionaires, you name it.
But I'm a theoretical guy.
I'm not a technical guy.
So I kind of just put it in my memory banks and never really focused on it.
And then in the last week, we've learned more information about the deep state who's targeting us and why they want me off air.
And it was just like, so massive.
And of course, it's not about Alex Jones.
What I'm going to break here today and start breaking, and there's no way I can wait understanding this.
I mean, I obviously have to make some reports on it and detail it and then show some of the pieces to it.
But 90% of it's hidden in plain view.
I mean, they've said all these things over the years.
The establishment has, and I didn't.
Quite always get what they were saying, or I only got one level of it.
dan friesen
Yeah, so he didn't fully integrate all of this awareness.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
dan friesen
And this isn't about Alex.
It's definitely not.
I think it's about him.
jordan holmes
Alright.
dan friesen
Are you getting any sense of what this epiphany could be?
jordan holmes
No.
Not at all.
unidentified
Sometimes...
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, I guess it must be about the deep state.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Okay, so you know how sometimes Alex says fighting words sometimes that are just like, this is a rubber meets the road kind of moment.
Sometimes Alex doesn't say fighting words so much as words that cause me to involuntarily want to slap him a few times, like weekly, just to wake him up.
dan friesen
Throw a bucket of water on him?
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely!
Not even necessarily a bucket of water, like a Globetrotters bucket of confetti.
Just something of like a, you can't say that, you gotta wake up, man.
I'm a theoretical guy, not a technical guy.
dan friesen
I'm an ideas man.
jordan holmes
I just can't listen.
I'm a big picture guy.
Immediately, like involuntary.
I'm not even thinking about it.
dan friesen
So I'm going to just kind of cut through this a tiny bit.
Alex seems to think that the world is basically all about him.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So maybe the last decade of political stuff.
It's all kind of his fault.
It's all about him.
Maybe everything revolves around him.
That might be the epiphany.
alex jones
But here's the bottom line.
I was chosen more than a decade ago by Google.
And they reported this.
It's like, why did Google serve Jones up this many times and all that?
Billions of times.
And then Google says, we're going to fix that, and then, quote, reverses it and then counters it.
And, of course, they admit they use me as the censorship model, the lawfare model, because I was already in the model of their wargaming computers.
They're just updating with what they call modules.
And so each new attack that rolls out is done to me first because they've already built the module system, the control panel.
To the highest levels against me as an individual.
dan friesen
Okay.
Okay.
So 10 years ago, Google chose Alex to be the model for the enemy.
jordan holmes
Right.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So this is like, so Alex essentially thinks that he is the beta tester for Windows 95. Windows was like, hey, listen, if we can inconvenience this guy, we've got something.
dan friesen
He's the globalist stress test.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
Of whatever they're rolling out.
jordan holmes
Listen, hey, this one didn't go so well.
Maybe we won't put it out for the rest of the world.
He's like a taste tester.
Great.
dan friesen
This is a mess.
jordan holmes
I like it.
I like that.
dan friesen
I think it's a natural extension of a lot of the stuff he generally thinks, but articulating it like this is really pretty...
Troubling.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is really centering himself in terms of all kinds of history.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, you know, when you go back and you're like...
Listen to or read something that Marcus Aurelius might have said, you know, about the concept of solipsism in response to it and man's responsibility to other men.
You know, I think most people were treating solipsism as more of a thought experiment as opposed to a way of life.
Like, to literally believe that everything exists for you and then goes away when you fall asleep.
I don't know if it gets more obvious than that.
dan friesen
Well, I think one of the parts of this that is like, okay, here's where there's sort of a scraping up against reality.
Early on, Alex was one of the most successful persons in terms of gaming algorithms on YouTube.
We've seen that in some of the episodes that we've gone over, like his Google bombs and stuff like that, was incredibly effective in terms of rigging search results.
And so, yeah.
Early on in the days, they were trying to find ways to make it so you couldn't cheat like this in order to abuse their systems.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And so in that sense, I can see where Alex would be like, I'm going to take all these pieces and turn myself into the antagonist of this whole story.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, yeah, instead of it being beta testing Windows 95, it's like an antivirus software only updates because somebody tried to attack a certain spot.
Right?
It can't.
It can't, like, oh, here's an idea I have.
It has to react to the attack.
And Alex is the attack, not the...
dan friesen
And I think that Alex even kind of, that's in his conception.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
He's infected their system.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
alex jones
When they were expunging the photos and videos of Trump getting shot, not just off Google, but off Meta and everywhere else other than X, it wasn't about just not having the public see it happen.
It was about testing war game systems that can expunge And block information off the internet because it's not about the people seeing it as much as it is about the audience of AI that's being trained.
And that's what Cernovich, and I've got to get him on.
He's hard to get on.
He doesn't actually like being that public, I'll tell you that.
He was the first to explain it to me, and it didn't go over my head.
I just kind of have this filter that if it's about me, I kind of dial it back a little and go, really?
Come on.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
And he said, you know, I talked to a lot of the top tech people, and I've since met with him and some very well-known people all asleep at that in the tech realm at the highest levels.
And I was told the same things then.
And he said, no, no, no, no.
They used you as like an avatar in this universe they're building online, and the Pentagon's done it as well, of an Internet of Things where everything in the world has its own life in there beyond the metaverse.
But think more like Tron or the Matrix.
They're building the false world Matrix now.
They plan to overlay across the planet.
And I basically then, it backfired and my avatar infested the whole thing.
unidentified
And...
alex jones
Wait till you hear all this.
I mean, this is wild.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Oh, no.
jordan holmes
Wait till you hear all this.
dan friesen
Wait till you hear all this.
jordan holmes
I wish you didn't have a radio show.
dan friesen
I wish you didn't have to go to break.
jordan holmes
I'd be totally happy.
Like, this would be such a great 1.30 a.m. at a 4 a.m. bar conversation.
dan friesen
I see.
What happened?
They're so afraid of me that what they did is they put me into this system as an AI being, but I was too powerful.
I was so strong that I infested their AI systems, and it's thrown off everything, and that's why they hate me in the real world.
jordan holmes
This is genuinely making me nostalgic.
Like, if I was doing a weekend, I would go down to the hotel bar, this would happen, and then the next night I'd be like, here's what happened at the hotel bar!
dan friesen
You'd order the guy a beam.
jordan holmes
Totally, yes.
dan friesen
You and me, sir, shot in a beer.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
I shall see you in the morrow.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's a little bit troubling.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's no good.
dan friesen
Also, Google and Meta didn't expunge pictures of Trump from that Butler rally.
Google had pre-existing policies involving autocomplete suggestions for searches that it limited suggesting searches that had to do with political violence.
They already had rules in place for that.
This naturally applied to searches involving Trump's assassination attempt, but you could still easily find that photo and tons of stories about it if you just typed in what you were looking for.
Meta and Facebook was a different issue.
Initially, there was a picture circulating on social media that showed the Secret Service agent smiling after Trump was shot.
This was taken from a real original picture, which was then photoshopped to have them smiling.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
That picture was tagged with a warning that it was a doctored image.
Some of the automated moderation systems at Facebook mistook the original picture for the doctored one, the one with the agent smiling, and had attached the same warning to that image, but as soon as it was pointed out, this was addressed internally.
So they weren't suppressing or expunging these pictures.
Right, because when you replace people who can tell the difference between a smile You don't even know.
jordan holmes
The man.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
In general.
dan friesen
They're attacking him because they're trying to train AI.
It's a mess.
This is a mess.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's no good.
dan friesen
We're going to get to eventually he thinks he's Neo.
jordan holmes
That's super no good.
dan friesen
Before we get there, Alex discusses how humans imagine things, and then we build it.
jordan holmes
Good, good.
Teach me that.
alex jones
If I explained all this, it would take about three hours.
dan friesen
You have three hours.
jordan holmes
Literally.
Exactly three hours.
alex jones
...here on the show in the days and weeks to come.
I think this is the best way to describe it on this Thursday, August 1st, live transmission.
Yules Verne's science fiction writer in the...
1890s and then on through.
Wrote a bunch of world best-selling books.
And if you go read the books, much of what he envisioned theoretically has now been done.
Like Elon Musk with his vertical takeoff rockets that then come back and land on Earth.
jordan holmes
Was he the one who invented those?
alex jones
The rockets that were in the illustrations of books written 130, 140 years ago.
jordan holmes
Penises.
alex jones
I say, okay, now we know about that.
And there were theoretical Max Planck equations in the 1890s of atomic weapons that then, by the 1940s, were developed.
So there's just a snapshot, or man dreaming to fly, and then the Wright brothers, you know, just a hundred and something years ago, and now look at where we are today with Mach 15 missiles.
dan friesen
So, like, the Wright brothers didn't envision Mach 15. Missiles or anything.
It kind of waters down any meaning that Alex is trying to put into these points.
jordan holmes
The Wright brothers didn't know that sound had to speed.
dan friesen
Right.
Yeah, there's a lot of developments and there's a lot of paths.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So humans have imaginations and we can come up with a bunch of stuff in them.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
dan friesen
Some of that stuff people end up finding a way to make sometimes.
That doesn't mean that science fiction writers like Jules Verne were mad prophets for telling the future or Jules Verne's.
If Alex wants to play that game, he needs to discuss Journey to the Center of the Earth.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Do dinosaurs live underground?
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
He must be onto it.
jordan holmes
Why wouldn't they?
unidentified
Right!
jordan holmes
Give me one reason for dinosaurs to not live underground.
dan friesen
So also, like, Max Planck had ideas, which were then built upon by other thinkers and scientists that came after him.
He was building on earlier ideas.
He didn't have some kind of prophetic vision of magical equations that turned into nuclear weapons someday.
jordan holmes
This is really dumb.
This is also very important to keep in mind.
These things exist all the time, with or without us.
dan friesen
Dinosaurs under the earth?
jordan holmes
No.
The equations and all that stuff, they weren't invented.
They were discovered.
It's not like...
It's not like Newton was 100% correct, and then we got better.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
It's like, it's always been there.
And there's more to discover.
dan friesen
Well, whenever there's innovations, it's not really a discovery.
It's along the way, a demon comes up and goes like, psst, hey, hey, hey, Max.
unidentified
Sure.
Max Planck.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I got an equation for you.
Hey, I got a constant for you.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I don't know.
I mean, I guess there is like a kernel of like just this romantic idea that's underneath this, which is why this is appealing.
That is like our human, our minds can envision things and then we build them.
But, you know, you go too far with it.
It just ends up stupid.
jordan holmes
Let me ask you a question.
All right.
If, okay.
Is this a good idea?
Gigantic steampunk spider.
unidentified
Because...
jordan holmes
If we're talking about making things a reality.
dan friesen
Is that from Ewell's Vernes?
jordan holmes
No, that'd be from Wild Wild West.
dan friesen
Wiki Wiki.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
I don't think it's a bad idea.
dan friesen
Sure.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Big spider.
Let's do it.
jordan holmes
Well, do you know when they invented that?
Uh-huh.
1890s.
dan friesen
You know what the problem with spiders is?
Too small and not metal.
jordan holmes
Too small and not made of metal.
dan friesen
Yep.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So Alex goes, actually, Alex would disagree with you in this next clip because animals are perfect.
alex jones
What we envision.
Over time, we're able to build.
We're made in the image of God, little g, but we are creators.
We are builders.
Wait, what?
Now, I'm a theoretical guy and a novice historian and really a futurist.
jordan holmes
Slap, slap, slap.
alex jones
And we have a very accurate rate of about 98%, but it's well known.
dan friesen
Give or take.
alex jones
And I gobble up just all the data and then come to my own electrochemical computer decisions.
unidentified
Stop.
The knowledge.
alex jones
Stop.
Cool.
Alex Jones, I'm just a receiver, transmitter, transceiver.
Just as every animal on this planet is.
But we're not like the other animals, as you can see.
So, they have total consciousness in that the bees and the killer whales just live their lives.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry?
alex jones
They're interconnected and they are so conscious that there is not a deviation where they can rapidly change their environment or deviate from that pattern.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
Because in God's system, they're basically perfect.
They are perfection.
It is our impurity that takes us to the next level in our quest to order the universe.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
The universe God made is the woman.
And God is the order.
Or the right hand, the male.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
All right, man.
We're getting close to last call.
jordan holmes
This story begins...
The next time this story begins...
Ladies and gentlemen, I shit you not.
The next thing this man said...
dan friesen
Animals are perfect.
They're all interconnected.
jordan holmes
Was the universe is a woman.
dan friesen
Universe is a lady, right?
But order is a man.
Go to bed.
jordan holmes
Oh, you gotta go home.
You gotta go home, dude.
Where are you staying?
dan friesen
Bees are perfect.
jordan holmes
Why are you at the hotel?
Others won't let me hear.
Oh, that makes sense.
That makes sense.
dan friesen
So yeah, he's hitting on a lot of important ideas here.
So I think basically what we have is that animals are perfect.
And so they can never reach the next level of consciousness or reality, whereas our imperfections, much like friction leads to fire, that sort of imperfection allows the tension that's required in order for us to seek God.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
The Japanese concept of perfection in imperfection.
dan friesen
Yep, Alex is really wise.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
What's that type of pottery where they break it and then they put it all back together with gold?
dan friesen
I know what you're talking about.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's great.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's really cool.
dan friesen
So Alex is Neo.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds about right.
alex jones
And the first person, five, maybe it was six years ago, Mike Cernovich, had been here, had been on the show, and he sent me internal Google documents of how they were planning to censor me and had a whole battle plan, and it made the news, and they did do it.
You saw that happen.
He then called me a few times, and the next time I saw him, he was telling me this stuff.
And one time he reached over on my shirt and said, hey, do you hear what I'm telling you?
This is important.
He's like, oh, did you know you're the main AI model that Google and the Pentagon have used as the opposition figure, like as the Neo, or as the guy that fights back in...
Tron, but he used that example.
He said, you're being prepared in these war games, and you're basically going to have your identity taken, and they're going to create a new Alex Jones because you have infested all the AI models.
Now, later I got told this by high-level Google people, and then I got told this by some of the engineers that work for Elon Musk.
And then, of course, I've had other meetings that I'm not going to disclose who with, but are household names, in tech, multiple individuals.
And one of the meetings was in California with Mike Cernovich.
He was there.
unidentified
Cool.
alex jones
And we were talking about a whole range of subjects in a long dinner meeting.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
alex jones
And it was being talked about in all these different places, just as an aside.
Like, why are the street signs everywhere green?
Well, Congress, you know, 70 years ago, whatever passed the law, that's the color they are.
Like, why is Alex Jones in this position?
And so I'm theoretically not really getting it, and I'm like, what?
dan friesen
So he didn't get it back then.
He's having these long dinner conversations with these household names in tech.
And they're all talking about how he is the central hub of all of these globalist plans within Google for censorship and for taking over the world.
They all are going to need to change his identity because he...
Alex Jones, the real person, is too dangerous because he infects all their models.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He destroys everything if he is merely allowed to exist.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And that's why they need to create a fake version of him, which is what the media's trying to do.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Another round!
jordan holmes
I feel like I understand why it would take several years to get this concept if it is being explained to you as, like, you know how signs are green?
That's you!
Yeah, that would be very difficult to understand.
I get that.
dan friesen
Congress has made a law that you are...
jordan holmes
Signs are green, and you are those green signs.
dan friesen
You're Mio.
jordan holmes
I don't know what you are talking about, Cernovich!
dan friesen
You are the anomaly that spawns liberty.
jordan holmes
Why is that?
Because signs are green!
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
dan friesen
So, part of the reason that they decided on him...
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
It was because he had a lot of content.
jordan holmes
I thought it was because he was an asshole.
dan friesen
I mean, that's definitely played a role.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
But it's mostly because he had a lot of content.
jordan holmes
Okay, okay.
alex jones
And so I was chosen because I had so much media already from day one in the mid-90s when video and audio was really proliferating.
I was, just by hard work and adoption and just by trying to get the word out, you know, had hundreds of millions of views on Google Video.
Per video.
Some of them had like 98 million, 50 million, 60 million.
And AI was already going out with these AI models.
Google was founded in 98 to be an AI interface system.
And so it was set up to get everybody's data to build the AI.
That's what Google long-term projects been.
And so they looked at models and said, who do we have a lot of data on?
Who do we have a lot of information on of kind of the populist opposition to this that we need to get ahead of?
And they chose me only because I had so much media to be what they would wargame against in their AI system that's way more advanced than they're telling you and way more ahead than they're telling you and then to build the programs to then, with all the new, faster computing and in storage, they're getting all your data and all of your recordings and all of your photos and all of your writings and those medical forms you fill out before you go to the psychologist or the doctor.
All that data is being scooped in, and then the control panel module system they update was based on me, and they also had some on governments and systems and corporations, and obviously I'm just like one button on a huge control panel of systems.
But because of that, as the AI got more advanced, they could not get...
Myself, and that means all my guests and everything we do, out of the learning modules as they train the AI that they want to prepare to take us over.
So we've infected all of their training systems because the very nature of AI is it tries to go out and grab everything it can.
They've tried to wall it off.
They've tried to only feed it certain information.
But every time they try to then deploy a closed AI into the general public, It immediately gets infected with Alex Jones.
dan friesen
So, you look a little worried.
There's a look of shock and dismay on your face.
You're staring into the middle distance.
jordan holmes
I mean, I don't know.
At a certain point, I am worried that I am living in a movie where a man says things like this, and then nothing happens.
dan friesen
And wait until you see what else happens on this show.
jordan holmes
I mean, I don't...
Can I?
You know, there's another part of it.
There's another component that really, really is difficult to focus on whenever a man is saying that.
His god king just said Kamala is a lying Edward on TV.
Right?
We're supposed to be talking about that.
I've forgotten that that's what we're supposed to be talking about.
dan friesen
That's why we decided to cover his Thursday show.
jordan holmes
Because this man has infected AI.
dan friesen
Right.
He had so much media out early because he had his radio show and he put out the Columbia Grove documentary.
jordan holmes
No, Trump is a racist!
dan friesen
Shut up.
God damn it.
So he put out all this stuff and there's so much content about it.
jordan holmes
National Association for Black...
Should they have platformed him at all?
dan friesen
They needed to create an icon of populism that would take down...
jordan holmes
There's so many things that...
dan friesen
He's Neo.
jordan holmes
He is Neo.
You know what?
I give up.
dan friesen
I think he is Neo.
I think I have to take I'm Neo off my sign-off for the show now.
unidentified
I think so.
dan friesen
I'm no longer Neo.
jordan holmes
You don't have the right.
You don't have the right.
dan friesen
So Alex's ideology is the ghost in the machine that exists.
Sure.
And so they just can't get it out.
Whatever they try.
jordan holmes
They just can't get it out.
alex jones
So because my information and our information totally infested it.
They can't get it out of the machine.
It's the ghost of the machine.
So they made the decision six years ago to write, when I say this, this is conservative, hundreds of thousands of articles.
I mean, some weeks there'd be 500 articles that got syndicated.
And when one AP article comes out, it's in every newspaper and in every TV station.
I mean, more propaganda against me.
Than before the first Gulf War in 1991 and the second Gulf War in 2003.
Seriously.
And I was always saying, this isn't about me.
Something's going on here.
jordan holmes
Wait, did you do those?
alex jones
Where I would have my Google feed and it would say there are 14,000 articles about you today.
And I'd turn on every channel sometime at night or on the treadmill in the garage and I would be on ABC, CBS.
You know, I'd be on the local News 8 owned by Time Warner.
And the same messages, the same stuff.
It wasn't just about demonizing Alex Jones.
It was about testing the old media to flood the internet and program it with the new Alex Jones that was two things, gay frogs and Sandy Hook, two small things I covered.
So that there was so much jamming, basically, so much smoke in the fog of this, that that is all you would see or all that you would hear.
That didn't work either.
dan friesen
That didn't work.
So this elaborate plan...
Is to create all of these stories that are being put out about Alex.
14,000 a day and everything.
Make it all about Sandy Hook and Gay Frogs in order to create a new version of Alex that'll live inside this AI because him and his ideas are too dangerous and they infected all the models, so they're trying to create a less potent version of Alex.
unidentified
That makes sense.
dan friesen
Which is now being overlaid onto the real world.
jordan holmes
That makes sense, too.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Now, I would say that the only reason that the gay frogs thing is big is because Alex turned that into a meme himself.
Right.
unidentified
Second, I think people have been actually generous about what he did about Sandy Hook.
dan friesen
Much like Trump, yeah.
One of the reasons that I started this podcast was because I got really fascinated by Alex in 2016 and there was no resources about him.
I was looking into stuff and there was no information about him except for weird blogs that said he worked for Israel and they were clearly just...
Based in deep anti-Semitism.
And there was very little, like, actual coverage of him.
So this notion that he has of, like, there was so much about me, they were testing all this stuff on me, really rings untrue to me from this time before 2016.
jordan holmes
I think I get, like, I understand, I think, what he's saying.
Because it does make a certain sense if you can only view things through a weird narcissistic lens, right?
So if you are successful, you know, if you are successful despite being delusionally narcissistic, right?
You can't just be like, oh...
This is success.
You have to be like, here is why I specifically am the success.
It can only be because of me.
As opposed to a more honest situation, which is, I started doing this thing, I stumbled upon a place that no one else was, and then people came to me.
And then it became a feedback loop, and as much as it is me, it's also them, and it's also just kind of...
Luck, I guess.
And in a certain way, for us, you stumbled upon something that wasn't there, that wasn't covered, and it wasn't like you were chosen by God, but it was important and it needed to be done, and so that's how it worked.
It's not like you're some sort of super genius, which I'm not saying you're not brilliant, but it's not like you're chosen by...
I'm sorry, Dan.
You were not chosen by God.
dan friesen
Oh, and nor would I think that I'm Neo.
jordan holmes
I think you do think you're Neo.
You say it at the end of every episode.
dan friesen
I'm making fun of Leo Zagami.
jordan holmes
You can only wear a mask so long before it becomes one's true face.
dan friesen
Is Alex making fun of Leo Zagami?
jordan holmes
Is everybody making fun of Leo Zagami?
dan friesen
What's going on here?
jordan holmes
I think we need to make him a household name.
dan friesen
So I was troubled by what I was hearing here because, I mean, this is...
jordan holmes
Oh yeah, what makes that?
What troubles you?
dan friesen
Mostly the themes, the ideas, the way it's being expressed.
I think everything around this is just pretty upsetting.
And so he gets to this idea of the fake him that's being created.
And he talks about how the Sandy Hook lawsuits were just done because of that.
alex jones
This doesn't tie in, this is central to six plus years ago, the Democratic Party funds lawsuits in Texas and key jurisdictions they control in Austin and in Connecticut.
In courts they control to try to shut us down.
And they have show trials where I'm already found guilty and put all this fake information about me.
And then they say on the courthouse steps, we want, and it's the same law firms going up with Giuliani and Trump.
Very same people.
And Elon Musk.
They've sued him.
Same group.
And they say, and they have PR firms that go out and say these things you didn't say, and then they build up this controversy about you're doing bad things you didn't do.
And then they raise hundreds of millions of dollars off your name, and then they create a new identity for you.
They silence you.
They censor you.
And then they create an artificial you in the old media to now train the new digital universe with the imposter.
This is the nature of evil.
It's a counterfeit.
jordan holmes
That is the nature of evil.
alex jones
So we know the CIA and FBI ran this.
It's come out in court.
They admitted it.
Undercover videos.
All of it.
But I didn't have all the pieces together.
dan friesen
You didn't have all the pieces until now.
And I will say, I think he's expressing himself very clearly.
jordan holmes
Oh no, I understand.
It's a lot like why street signs are green.
dan friesen
He gets it now.
alex jones
I mean, I get it now.
dan friesen
I've been swayed.
jordan holmes
It makes perfect sense.
dan friesen
This was not what I expected when I tuned in.
jordan holmes
I was thinking...
I mean, I was kind of expecting this in all honesty, because it fits.
It fits the pattern.
If I'm not capable of recognizing a pattern like this after this many years, I am at fault.
dan friesen
Well, here's what's kind of interesting about that.
What Trump did...
At that conference, at that interview.
jordan holmes
Again, forgot about that entirely.
dan friesen
But what he said, how he expressed himself, is totally unsurprising based on the person that we know him to be.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Right?
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
But seeing it is still kind of like, wow.
Huh, how about that?
jordan holmes
Still doing it, huh?
dan friesen
Alex talking about how he's Neo and the Matrix is designed against him because he's too dangerous.
He's like, yeah, we knew this to be who you are.
But hearing him say it is still weird.
jordan holmes
It is kind of weird whenever you can know what a person is thinking.
And yet, the idea of them saying it out loud is somehow different.
It is perhaps a great example of how we are social animals.
I am totally fine leaving you alone as long as we're both quiet.
You can believe all kinds of crazy shit.
I don't care.
As long as we're both quiet and reading our own little books, we can get our hair done together.
dan friesen
You know?
But see, what you're expressing is why we're not as good as bees.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I mean, they are perfect.
dan friesen
Perfect.
jordan holmes
Perfect.
dan friesen
So I was listening to this, Alex talking about how they're trying to steal his identity in order to create a fake version of him and overlay it with reality.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
This has been the plan since Google started.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And all this, and I'm like, what is this building towards?
jordan holmes
That is a good question.
unidentified
Right?
jordan holmes
That is a good question.
Because we are meandering, at best.
dan friesen
Quite off track.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And I think he's just mad that they wanted to take his Twitter account.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
alex jones
So, now under law...
jordan holmes
Under law!
alex jones
I'm able to sell this company's assets and put it up for bid to a buyer's.
And I'm able...
To then, if I like who the buyer is, continue this operation on.
All right?
Of the assets.
And then I, myself, Alex Jones, go into the future with their fake debt and all the rest of it, their fake rulings that I'm appealing.
And that's fine.
I don't care about the mission.
You know, a little bit of a hassle, but hey, I asked for it.
There it is.
Deep State's after me.
They have now, and I'm getting ready to release all this, said point blank, yeah, we want him off the air.
We don't want any money.
And they've told the new U.S. trustee, Who was appointed by the judge.
That they want Infowars and they want the archive and they want the website because they want to shut it down and say that they own it or somebody they have by it does so they can go around and claim ownership of all the stuff I've done in perpetuity and have it removed and use AI systems to basically remove everything I've said and done from the internet.
Censorship 3.0.
dan friesen
They want to erase me.
So here is what Alex is really up against here.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
He has to sell Infowars.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because he is personally liquidating his bankruptcy.
For himself.
The process is still ongoing as it relates to Infowars, Free Speech Systems, the business.
Alex has to sell that off.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
As his estate gets liquidated.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And so he will need to find a buyer.
If he finds a buyer who is ideologically aligned with him, then they can keep the show going and maybe eventually realize, hey, we're at a loss here and just dissolve the business or something.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
They can do whatever.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
But if Soros buys it...
In theory, he then owns Infowars.com.
Alex's Twitter handle is debatably Company Property.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
The videos that Alex has put out, they could have a copyright claim on all of those things.
jordan holmes
They're theirs.
dan friesen
Alex, over the course of his career, and on this episode, is very clear that he, um...
Everything is copyright free.
You have the right to disseminate his shit.
What we're doing is totally fine.
He has no claim on any of his own stuff.
You can make copies of his tapes and give them out.
But were someone else to buy the company, they wouldn't have to follow that.
They could copyright strike all kinds of stuff.
They could take us down in theory.
jordan holmes
They would have to then copyright it, though.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, so that's a process.
dan friesen
I don't know how that process works.
jordan holmes
It's fairly easy, but it's an individual process, so everything would have to be...
dan friesen
But I don't know if, like, these things are not copyrighted at all, or if they are, and Alex doesn't exercise any of it.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
jordan holmes
I mean...
If you're saying it's not copyrighted, if you're a lazy organization by trade and you say things aren't copyrighted, I imagine that it's possible that you eventually stop caring.
Maybe your lawyer at the beginning was like, we gotta make sure we copyright anything.
And then you're 20 years in and you're like, eh, fuck it, who cares?
dan friesen
Maybe.
But what Alex is running up against is like, if I have to sell this company to somebody who is not friendly to me, Then I stand to basically lose ownership over pretty much everything that I've ever done.
Because all of that is through Free Speech Systems and Infowars.com.
So, like, the archives of his show, obviously they're owned by Free Speech Systems.
He doesn't personally own those.
jordan holmes
Why would he?
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Because he...
I mean, it is funny.
Like, building the company so you aren't personally liable from so much shit has...
He's only helped rich people up until this point, in which case he is both personally and professionally liable.
So this is fucking wild.
dan friesen
If it were only one, if these lawsuits hadn't been both Free Speech Systems and Alex targeted, there's a way he could have hidden one way or the other.
But because of this, it creates this really strange tension that he has to live in.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I just don't...
I really...
I understand the trustee, right?
I don't understand why Alex should have any input whatsoever.
You know what I mean?
Like, I understand that...
dan friesen
Well, he has to have some input when you're talking about selling the business.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Because he is a single-talent business, if he doesn't consent to work for the person, the company is worthless.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So, like, if you want to get a friendly buyer, he needs to play ball.
Right.
So, there is some aspect of it where he has to be.
Involved in whatever happens.
If you're in good faith trying to sell the business.
unidentified
Right, right.
jordan holmes
No, that's what I'm saying.
You know, like, I understand the U.S. trustee, but the trustee should be listening to the families, not to Alex.
So if the families are saying we just want InfoWars shut down, then the trustee should go like, fuck yeah, we'll sell it for a dollar to Dan and Jordan.
dan friesen
I think it should be a mix of the two.
jordan holmes
Sure, I'm not- Oh, no, no, I'm not- I'm not telling people what to do.
I'm just saying it seems confusing to me that Alex has so much say.
You know what I'm saying?
dan friesen
I understand why he has a voice, but I do agree with you that it should be quieter.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So we get off this topic, because I think it's been fully explored by Alex that he is the most important person in the world.
And he talks to a guy, he has a guest on, named Anthony Muckraker-Rubin.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
Having a nickname like Muckraker is not a good sign.
dan friesen
No, it's a great sign.
jordan holmes
It's a great sign?
alex jones
So this is going on, and the number between 9 and 14 keeps showing up.
Another big polling agency a month ago in Texas did one.
They found 14.3% of the people saying that they voted in the last midterm, and it was 11% in Texas and the one before that.
That was just another poll.
So that's enough to steal the election right there.
And the Democrats have passed laws.
All over the place.
All over the place.
To register illegals.
They go, oh, but it's just for local elections.
How many elections are just local?
Almost none.
Sometimes there's a special election.
That's it.
Now, incredible investigative journalists have broken some of the biggest stories in Mexico and in Central America and on the border, been kidnapped at gunpoint, you name it.
Anthony, Muckraker, Rubin.
He joins us from muckraker.com and RealMuckraker on X on YouTube, RealMuckraker.
dan friesen
So I have no idea if he was actually kidnapped at gunpoint.
I don't know.
I don't care.
Sure.
If so, that must have been tough.
unidentified
It could be.
dan friesen
So they're talking about immigrant voting, obviously.
jordan holmes
Which is illegal.
dan friesen
But I also thought that now we're supposed to believe that the election is hashtag too big to rig.
I thought that was the storyline that we had now.
So now I guess voter fraud is possible.
And I can't keep straight what I'm supposed to be afraid of.
jordan holmes
Well, here's what I understand Alex to be saying.
When we were running against Biden, it looked like we would actually win.
Now that we're running against Kamala, it looks like we're going to have to steal the election.
dan friesen
I think 100% we need to keep this ball in play because our chances might be feeling a little bit less good.
jordan holmes
Things have changed, yes.
dan friesen
So Alex is interviewing this guy, Anthony Rubin, who runs a blog called Muckraker, which is a front for the Heritage Foundation.
In addition to their Project 2025, they also have a media bullshit wing called Oversight Project, which is run by a guy named Mike Howell.
It's not one we go into great detail because, as you know, we're going up against a very powerful and dangerous people, to include the cartels, weaponized Biden administration, etc., and we're not interested in giving an org chart out.
Howell and Rubin himself were interviewed by NPR because the Heritage Foundation had just published a bunch of stories about how there was a flyer alleged to have been found in Mexico in front of an NGO called the Resource Center Matamoros, which said, quote, Reminder to vote for President Biden when you're in the United States.
We need another four years of his term to stay open.
This was written in what is described as, quote, awkward Spanish.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah?
Yeah.
Almost as if it was written by someone who is not a native speaker of the language.
dan friesen
It's awkward.
So the logo for the Resource Center Matamoros and their founder's name were on the flyer.
This person, Gabriela Zavala, denied any involvement or knowledge of the flyer and said, quote, I was almost in a state of shock.
This is completely untrue.
This was after she started to get a bunch of...
The threats.
unidentified
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
Violent threats from people online.
jordan holmes
Let me show you my signature.
You're faking the signature!
Oh, goddammit.
We're fucked, aren't we?
dan friesen
So it's very clear that this flyer was a hoax because it uses outdated information that matched what was on the Resource Center Matamoros' website, like a disconnected phone line that they didn't use anymore but hadn't been updated, as well as text that was copied from that website mixed with this added message about voting for Biden.
It was a setup.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anthony Rubin comes into this story because he's the guy who claims that he found the flyer.
Or he was the one, sort of the beginning point of this.
jordan holmes
How's his Spanish?
dan friesen
Awkward.
So this was then reported on by a site, Muckraker, and disseminated by the Heritage Foundation's Oversight Project, which is their media bullshit.
jordan holmes
Good stuff.
dan friesen
Attempts to follow up on this story were fruitless.
NPR visited the location where the flyers were supposedly found, but this wasn't even a formal migrant center, and it hasn't been serviced by Matamoros in years.
Further, quote, migrants at the encampment denied ever seeing the flyers.
NPR spoke with migrant aid workers who said they never saw the flyers or heard about them from migrants or volunteers.
Great.
So NPR interviewed Howell and Rubin, the two people most at the center of this story, Anthony Muckraker Rubin and the guy from the Heritage Foundation.
Mike Howell was asked if they reached out to the resource center Matamoros or the named founder Gabriela Zavala before they published their claims, to which he replied, Why?
jordan holmes
Why?
Why would I do that?
What are you fucking stupid?
I don't need them!
I don't want them!
Is that what he said?
dan friesen
More or less, but...
Since I said quote, here's what he actually said.
jordan holmes
Okay, sorry.
Apologies, apologies.
dan friesen
No, no.
We published it.
It was in the immediate public interest to know about the invasion in the United States.
We had very little confidence that somebody who says their goal is to fight U.S. policy and is running an invasion camp would be willing to play ball.
There was no attempt to confirm the story because they knew their story would never be confirmed, so who cares?
The headline is what matters, not the story.
Basically, you could make up any kind of shitty flyer you want that says anything that you feel, and if it's politically useful for someone like Mike Howell, he's willing to publish it.
The person who you're making claims about is evil, so they would never admit that they're evil, so you should just assume this is all real and true.
Incidentally, it turns out that Anthony Rubin had been making a bit of a target of this resource center.
Prior to the flyer story being published, Rubin had gone to the center and pretended to be interested in volunteering, Oh my god.
He later told NPR, quote, that Rubin persistently asked him if he knew of organizations in the United States that could help migrants vote for Biden or if he would vote for Biden.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
It seems pretty obvious that someone made a fake flyer that was passed along to Anthony Rubin, who reported it in conjunction with the Heritage Foundation, without doing any verification of their story.
Yeah, you know, it's interesting to think about.
jordan holmes
In the context of like a William Randolph Hearst kind of situation where it was essentially the same thing.
But the reach wasn't as big.
You know what I mean?
Because of stuff like this now, it can be disseminated in a million different ways, through a million different, you know?
Instead of it being like William Randolph Hearst's only publications publishing bullshit because, fuck it, I'm rich, what are they going to do?
Now it's disseminated through a million different things.
So this guy publishes it, but something like it is published somewhere else with maybe something, you know what I'm saying?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So it's not just centralized.
It's a decentralized fuckton of bullshit.
dan friesen
No, I see what you mean.
What I'm lost in my head about is, like, would William Randolph Hearst be embarrassed by this flyer?
jordan holmes
No, absolutely not.
Absolutely not.
It seems pretty see-through, you know?
He would, with abandon, masturbate in front of an open window at the thought of this.
dan friesen
I just think the flyer's a little thin.
jordan holmes
Oh, believe me, he's enjoyed a greater career because of less.
dan friesen
So the two of them, their interview is largely, mostly and largely, largely, about just making up shit and complaining about my good story.
alex jones
This is people getting driver's license, and then they get signed up with the Democrats and paid to vote from their addresses.
Sometimes they get called all the time, one person voting five, six, seven, eight times under different names they're given.
They're not just voting under their illegal name, their illegal alien real name.
I'm sorry?
They're also in the data mine Zuckerberg, $450 million he spent to get databases of dead people and folks that have moved out of district.
So you move out of district to another state, but you're still voting, or you're in the ground dead.
Used to be a Republican, now you vote Democrat.
dan friesen
That's right.
Yeah, that's right.
So why do those people have to be migrants?
If you can just go and keep voting over and over again, it could be anybody, right?
jordan holmes
It has to be migrants because that's the contract with the devil.
I wish...
That that didn't immediately sound like something that he would say in response.
dan friesen
I mean, probably.
jordan holmes
In the right mood?
Yeah, it's a minor magic thing.
dan friesen
I can understand within the prism of the conspiracy why they need to vote in their name.
Right.
So we can go ahead with that.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But anybody could be using the Zuckerberg list.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't understand that part.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
It's a...
It's a plot hole.
jordan holmes
Also, I think one thing we really need to do, and I think this is something that we can also do beyond political divide.
We don't need that for this.
We gotta figure out exactly how much money a billion dollars really is.
Because here's what I think of as something that's crazy expensive.
I think at the end of it, at the end of my purchase, I will have almost no money in the bank left.
That will be a crazy big purchase.
The idea of a crazy big purchase being like one one hundredth of your total wealth and that you make it after a year, that doesn't count.
That's nothing.
That's nothing!
dan friesen
Relativeness is...
jordan holmes
You know what I'm saying?
If you were like, this cost Mark Zuckerberg $55 billion, I'd be like, holy shit, he wanted that.
dan friesen
Like Musk in Twitter.
jordan holmes
Totally, yeah.
This is a serious purchase that he's wasting all of his money on.
Good luck, buddy.
dan friesen
This dude needs this.
jordan holmes
This dude needs this shit.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's tough.
dan friesen
So, Anthony Muckraker Rubin and Alex Muckraker Jones, they both are calling for mass deportation.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And you'll never believe the story that Rubin tells to justify this.
unidentified
Oh, yeah?
alex jones
They know Trump's really 20 points ahead nationwide, more than 10 in battlegrounds.
They think with the illegal aliens, the dead people voting, it's still not enough.
That's why they tried to kill Trump.
But it's so close because of the fraud.
They've got at least 10% banked in.
Okay, so we've got to have maximum landslide to override this.
We've got to have deportations of all the military-age men immediately.
The country's entire future is hanging in the balance right now.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
anthony rubin
You know, Donald Trump has talked about mass deportations when he's put in office if he wins.
I didn't like that he dodged that question during the first presidential debate.
That was not encouraging, but that's exactly what we need.
jordan holmes
We need mass deportations.
unidentified
I mean, it has to be scorched earth.
anthony rubin
You cannot allow this to stand at all.
unidentified
You know, I'm walking down Roosevelt Avenue yesterday, okay?
jordan holmes
I believe this story already.
unidentified
There's gangsters in every corner, but I'm walking down the street.
jordan holmes
And I see a guy wearing a CDG hat.
unidentified
That stands for Cartel Del Golfo.
anthony rubin
That's the same cartel organization that kidnapped my brother and I. And listen, this guy would not be wearing that hat unless he was part of that organization.
brandon biggs
Okay, these people aren't playing games wearing these hats for fun.
unidentified
It's not like a Yankees hat.
And so, I mean, this guy wearing this hat, a golf cartel member, I glance at him, right?
brandon biggs
I'm just moving my head, but just looking around.
jordan holmes
I'm just doing a pan of the area.
And this guy starts screaming at me, threatening me.
brandon biggs
And these are the people that are in this country.
That's one of hundreds of thousands.
donald j trump
And so, like you said, we need mass deportations.
dan friesen
I'm convinced that that is a compelling argument for why we need mass deportations.
Because a guy with a hat that made me decide that he was a cartel member yelled at me on the street.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
When I would guess he was probably...
Doing a little more than panning his head around.
I'm just guessing, based on his track record of behavior, trying to fraudulently go volunteer at this resource center in Mexico.
jordan holmes
He doesn't seem trustworthy.
dan friesen
No, it seems like a piece of shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Also, maybe this guy with the hat was a big fan of Charles de Gaulle.
unidentified
I mean, I don't...
Sometimes.
jordan holmes
Sometimes...
They make me angry at them, and then somehow even more angry at the globalists.
But it's in the same way that somehow people get angry at the puppet.
dan friesen
Oh, the ventriloquism.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Where I'm like, Alex, if you're saying we need to get rid of all military-aged men, then if I'm the globalist, I'll just be like...
Hey, these guys don't believe women are people.
We can win in a heartbeat if we just make them have the guns.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Or like, okay, these people think hats are the only way that we can communicate with each other that we are also in the gang.
We cannot wear the hats.
dan friesen
Yeah, that would be a good way to keep a low profile.
jordan holmes
It's frustrating.
dan friesen
That's why I think the guy was a Charles de Gaulle fan.
jordan holmes
Eh, he could have been.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Loves that airport.
I find this guy fucking dumb.
I find what he does abhorrent.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And he can go fuck off.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
So, Alex, fine.
jordan holmes
Fuckraker.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
That doesn't work quite as well, but.
dan friesen
No, but fuck him.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
So Alex does finally get around to talking about the National Association of Black Journalists.
There we go.
He wants to play a clip of Trump being combative and really sticking it to one of the moderators.
jordan holmes
He wants to do that.
dan friesen
But they play the wrong clip.
jordan holmes
Uh-oh.
dan friesen
And then Alex gets really mad, and then he storms off the show.
alex jones
Trump did a great job yesterday at the NABJ, big black journal event.
They came after everything they had.
They're trying to spin it right now.
But Trump did a great job.
And the crowd just loved him.
Lala Harris, literally, her specialty was arresting black people for marijuana charges and throwing them in prison.
And she never said she was black until now.
And Trump is right to call that out.
It's all just lies.
It's all fraud.
Here was the opening.
Salvo.
When they attacked him, this is a really, really, really important clip.
It's clip one.
President Trump spends three minutes putting on a master class and not taking Rachel Scott's bait.
Here it is.
unidentified
This, another had a stroke.
Were the people who assaulted those 140 officers, including those I just mentioned, patriots, who deserve pardons?
donald j trump
Well, let me bring it back to modern day.
alex jones
Let's stop here.
I got confused because...
That's not the clip I want to play.
I want to get to another one in a moment.
I want clip four.
I want clip four.
Here it is.
unidentified
It's not true.
You have told four congressmen women of color who were American citizens.
alex jones
Let's just stop now.
Let's just stop.
I'm going to go to rebroadcast for a while because I'm loaded for bear.
I'm ready to go.
I thought these were other clips.
I want the opening thing.
It says opening clip.
It's not the opening clip.
I'm okay.
But I'm so prepared here.
And I sent the clips.
It's clip four.
And I'm totally confused.
So I gotta go to rebroadcast.
I gotta find the clips and send them to you.
jordan holmes
I'm not.
unidentified
I'm not.
alex jones
I just can't do this anymore.
unidentified
I just can't do it anymore.
alex jones
There's just too much information.
unidentified
God almighty.
jordan holmes
Too much information.
alex jones
I'll send the clip again.
It's how they open the conference up.
I don't know how we play two clips.
It's not the clip I wanted.
Just air something.
We'll see what's going to happen.
I'll give you guys some time to figure out what you're going to air.
Just play something, okay?
We're done.
Thank you.
dan friesen
One of my favorite genres of moment.
jordan holmes
I mean, you know what the problem is?
dan friesen
The long, long pause.
It's the opposite of the problem.
The long pause and then the, I can't do this anymore.
jordan holmes
No, that's the opposite of the problem.
The problem is, I think all of us deep down are jealous of the ability to do that.
At any job you've ever had, the idea of just being able to be like, listen, I'm done.
I'll be back.
dan friesen
This is your fault.
jordan holmes
I'm out.
dan friesen
I'm confused.
jordan holmes
I'll see you tomorrow.
Fuck you.
Like that idea of just being blunt and everybody going like, well, I guess that's how it goes.
dan friesen
It's the American dream.
jordan holmes
We all wish we had been there.
dan friesen
Now, here's an interesting irony.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So if you listen carefully to this, because I had to go back and make sure I wasn't imagining things.
Sure.
Alex says, play clip number one.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And it's not the clip he wants.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Then he says, I got that wrong, play clip number four.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And he plays another clip, and then he says, fuck this, that's not the right clip.
That was the clip he was looking for.
Yeah, it did look like that.
He just didn't realize it.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
That is the opening clip that they played.
The second one was the correct one, but he didn't realize it, so he got mad and then stormed off air.
jordan holmes
I am going to say this, and I understand that this might make a lot of bosses angry over that kind of thing.
There is no possible way that you can think clip number four is the opening clip.
It is simply not possible.
dan friesen
But here's the twist.
In this case, it was.
jordan holmes
Right.
No, no, I understand.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You can't be mad at the crew.
It is not possible for them to have thought that clip number four was the correct clip.
dan friesen
Especially when you literally said, play clip number one.
jordan holmes
Play clip number one.
The one that you would assume is the opening clip.
dan friesen
The crew did literally everything Alex was asking them to do.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
It's not possible for it to be this one.
dan friesen
What an asshole.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So anyway, he storms off.
But then he comes back and he's like, I think it went pretty well.
I think Trump did a great job.
alex jones
This is the desperate power structure going after him.
Now the media is spinning it like, oh, disaster at this black event.
It was the opposite.
It was the real Donald Trump.
It was amazing.
And I'd say 80% of the support, you could hear it in the crowd.
Can't hear any boos.
You hear a bunch of support.
Here it is.
unidentified
Not true.
You have told four Congresswoman women of color who were American citizens to go back to where they came from.
You have used words like animal and rabbit to describe black district attorneys.
You've attacked black journalists, calling them a loser, saying the questions that they ask are, quote, stupid and racist.
You've had dinner with a white supremacist at your Mar-a-Lago resort.
So my question, sir, now that you are asking black supporters to vote for you, why should black voters trust you after you have used language like that?
donald j trump
Well, first of all, I don't think I've ever been asked a question in such a horrible manner, a first question.
You don't even say, hello, how are you?
Are you with ABC?
Because I think they're a fake news network, a terrible network.
And I think it's disgraceful that I came here in good spirit.
dan friesen
I came here in good spirit!
So yeah, that's a little bit of the feel that you get.
You can definitely hear at least one or two people clapping.
But that is not a positive reaction that he's getting from the audience.
jordan holmes
I mean, it is a weird question, because it would be better phrased as...
Black people shouldn't trust you.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
jordan holmes
Period.
dan friesen
Right.
Well, I mean, yeah, it's the attacks that you make on black people seem to often have tones of racism built into them.
Right.
Yeah.
Well, you want to ask it in a little bit of a nicer way.
jordan holmes
But see, that's the thing.
And I mean, he does have a certain point there, right?
Because normally, if you're asking somebody an actual question, you do not list at least five to ten reasons why the answer to that question is one you already know.
dan friesen
Right.
Well, but at the same time, setting it up like this gives you the opportunity to, if you are a person who is not, let's say racist, respond in a way that is political.
There's a way that you could answer that question in a way that isn't self-sabotaging.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, but I will put this to you.
dan friesen
Trump probably can.
jordan holmes
I will put this to you.
If you allow some...
Yeah, I mean this honestly.
If you ask somebody that question and then are convinced by their answer, you are stupid.
dan friesen
Unless it's a really, really good answer.
jordan holmes
Nope.
You are stupid because that is how good the answer...
If it's possible for the answer to be that good, then you are going to lose every single time.
dan friesen
Sure.
Yeah.
So, I was surprised.
I guess not really surprised.
Like, I brought up at the beginning of the episode, like...
This is on message for Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this makes perfect sense.
dan friesen
Yeah, so obviously he's going to think this went well.
Trump was standing up to the anti-white racism of this event or whatever.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So it's not that deep.
Now, there is a clip of Kamala Harris.
And apparently Alex believes that she does a little bit of a black voice in it.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
We're going to get a code switch.
dan friesen
Yes.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
In the same way that he talks about how Hillary Clinton does different voices in front of different audiences.
jordan holmes
I wouldn't call that a code switch.
dan friesen
So he believes that Harris does this.
Sure.
And this clip is four and a half minutes long.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
And the reason is because Alex loses himself in doing various ethnic impressions.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
alex jones
Here's Trump on Kamala.
And I've got all the articles right here.
She didn't say she was black.
And now she's doing that thing Hillary Clinton does.
When she gets up in front of a black audience, she like then affects some what she thinks is like ghetto black accent.
I mean, I would be insulted if somebody from New York came down here to speak to, let's say, Texas.
And it's just a crowd of Texans.
And somebody that normally has a New York accent gets up and says, how you doing today?
I want to eat some possum.
unidentified
I tell you what, I rode to work today on a horsey.
alex jones
I'm married to my sister.
I got an outhouse.
But instead, these Democrat politicians who normally speak in whatever their real accent is get in front of black people and they start...
Doing some caricature.
How everybody doing today out there?
jordan holmes
Careful.
alex jones
I mean, like, because they're psychos.
They're not real people.
They're sociopaths, per minimum.
And they think that if somebody talks like...
Imagine if I went and spoke to a group of, say, Chinese-Americans.
dan friesen
Oh, no.
jordan holmes
Oh, God, I can imagine.
alex jones
They asked me to come speak to them.
jordan holmes
And then I do fentanyl.
alex jones
And I showed up, and I went, Hello, how you doing?
I am here for you.
Would you like some rice ball for you?
unidentified
I can imagine that being offensive, yeah.
You don't have to imagine.
jordan holmes
I can imagine that being offensive, yes.
alex jones
Or imagine instead of like a rock song, and let's say an Asian-American group asked Trump to come speak, and instead of him playing a rock song coming out or whatever he wants to do, he plays...
unidentified
I'm turning Japanese?
alex jones
It's just...
jordan holmes
The song that's real?
alex jones
It's so patronizing.
And I'm not hung out with liberals a lot in my life, but in college, some, and places, you're with some white liberals, and you go into a Mexican food restaurant, and the waiter comes over, and they go, hello!
To the waiter.
The waiter doesn't even have a Hispanic accent.
Hi, what would you like?
What do you want to drink?
How are you?
I would like a taco.
I mean, they talk real slow.
Do you get me?
unidentified
Are you calling other people racist?
jordan holmes
I don't understand.
alex jones
I mean, imagine if I, let's say the NAACP asked me to go.
Yes, I know this!
Another example?
Instead, I go up there and say, how's everybody doing today?
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
Hey, hey, hey, hey!
jordan holmes
Yeah, that could be offensive.
alex jones
So...
Let's play just the raw clip of her talking in a weird, she thinks, ghetto accent.
And then let's play the clip of her side-by-side with Hillary in one of her famous stills.
Because if Hillary's talking to rednecks, she literally walks out and goes, How's everybody doing today?
unidentified
Like I said, I just killed me a possum and I'm going to cook it like Granny.
jordan holmes
Where's Death Row?
alex jones
I guess he's in the cement pond.
But if Hillary's talking to blind people, she goes, Hello, everybody.
How you doing today?
jordan holmes
That's a deep voice for Hillary.
alex jones
What the hell is this?
Or imagine, if you go visit Germany, and you walk into a restaurant, they say, What would you like to order?
Well, I would like to order a...
unidentified
a beer.
And I would like to order some beef.
dan friesen
A little Marvin the Martian?
jordan holmes
I was going to say, I kind of like that voice.
unidentified
I would appreciate it if you did your whole show like that.
alex jones
They would think you were insane.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yes, 100%.
alex jones
Or if you're in France, order a bottle of wine.
jordan holmes
Can you give five more examples?
alex jones
What would you like to order?
unidentified
Well, my friend, I would like to order a Pinot Noir.
alex jones
What would you recommend, my friend?
And then you go even further and just kind of affect their voice or something.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
That would be offensive.
dan friesen
I thought I was hallucinating while I was listening to this.
jordan holmes
That is crazy.
dan friesen
Well, because it goes on way too long.
And I think he just likes doing voices, and that's fine.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think I get that.
I mean, I get it.
dan friesen
I would say he doesn't have a lot of range.
I think that some of these are pretty bad offensive.
But here's the path that he went down.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
He believes that Kamala Harris speaks differently to different groups of people.
Right.
And so he is lampooning that, I guess.
But the first thing that he comes with is, like, what if I were speaking to a group of Chinese Americans?
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And then he proceeds to do a character that he does do a lot on his show.
jordan holmes
He does.
dan friesen
So the premise is really off to a rocky start.
jordan holmes
What if I did what I do?
dan friesen
Yeah, exactly.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I can imagine that.
dan friesen
And then he just, I think that he just wants to do...
Offensive impressions.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, here's part of the problem.
As far as understanding what it is anybody is ever talking about.
Going to France and then speaking to a French person...
In English, with a bad French accent.
dan friesen
Acting like you're Pepe Le Pew?
jordan holmes
Is not at all similar to a code switch.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Because a code switch is meant to better communicate with people, as opposed to going up to them and insulting everything that they are to their face.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
That is true.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
There are ways in which it is inappropriate.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, I think...
I don't know what prevailing theory is right now.
You know, I think a lot of people for the longest time would have said that growing up without having to learn a code switch or without having to indulge in one would be a sign of like...
privilege or honor, you know.
But then I think lately a lot of people are changing their minds and saying that it's actually, like, a bad thing because it's separating people from the community.
You know, it's a lot like being adopted by white parents, that kind of thing, and no longer having a connection to, yeah.
So, no, fuck.
dan friesen
I'm not sure how to parse a lot of that, obviously.
But I know that that's not what Alex is talking about.
unidentified
No, absolutely not.
dan friesen
He's talking about...
Absurd caricatures of racist images that he has in his head.
Yeah.
And that's how he would act, or he wouldn't act.
He definitely wouldn't act.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, no, no.
dan friesen
Very strange.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I was like, okay, this was like a five-minute string of impressions that Alex did.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
What did Kamala Harris do?
What did she say?
jordan holmes
That is a good question.
dan friesen
And so he plays the clip.
alex jones
Here's a clip, Trevor.
unidentified
Do you believe that Vice President Kamala Harris is only on the ticket because she is a black woman?
donald j trump
Well, I can say, no, I think it's maybe a little bit different.
So, I've known her a long time indirectly, not directly very much, and she was always of Indian heritage, and she was only promoting Indian heritage.
I didn't know she was black until a number of years ago when she happened to turn black, and now she wants to be known as black.
So, I don't know, is she Indian or is she black?
unidentified
She is always identified as a black when she went to a historically black college.
donald j trump
I respect either one, but she obviously doesn't.
Because she was Indian all the way, and then all of a sudden she made a turn, and she went, she became a black person.
unidentified
Just to be clear, sir, do you believe that she is...
donald j trump
Somebody should look into that too when you ask a continue in a very hostile And you all helped us win in 2020 and we're gonna do it again in 2024 Yes we will Yes we will Thank you.
dan friesen
So that's it?
jordan holmes
That's, well, there you go.
Proves everything.
dan friesen
I don't even see that as, that's not even close to something that is a strange manner of speaking for her.
I don't know what's going on here.
jordan holmes
It's so weird.
It's so weird in America how people get away with that because it is like, it just goes all the way back to the beginning of just like, as it's...
Just the other.
It's skin color.
It doesn't matter a percentage.
At the very beginning, it was like, oh, you look.
It's a look.
It's not a number.
They didn't have blood tests or DNA tests.
You just look, and then we offend you for it.
dan friesen
Yeah, it was a method of exclusion.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's still the same thing.
It's not about the numbers.
dan friesen
No, but he's, yeah, yeah.
I just think that there's something really shocking about hearing somebody Say, she turned black.
jordan holmes
I mean, that's so insane!
I think part of why it's insane is because people are engaging with the euphemism instead of just the very simple and easy-to-understand thing of, she does not look like me.
I only think people who look like me deserve to be in the country.
That's what he said!
dan friesen
That's underneath a lot.
jordan holmes
Don't engage with, I think she's 45%.
No!
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
It's a silly argument to approach on his terms.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
I agree with that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's just, I don't know how you can even handle it.
jordan holmes
It's insane.
dan friesen
But thankfully we don't have to handle it with Alex doing any more impressions of ethnic groups.
jordan holmes
That's good.
alex jones
The voice she's doing is like a cross between white hillbilly...
And I guess Southern Black?
But that is like...
I just couldn't imagine.
Again, I get asked to speak in front of the Japanese American...
jordan holmes
You are imagining right now.
alex jones
Business Association.
And they had me talk about the economy and I walk in and I go...
unidentified
Oh, how do you do that?
alex jones
It is good to be here with you.
I want to thank you for having me here to speak.
Now I pull out Samurai Saw and kill you!
unidentified
Uh-huh.
alex jones
I could even, like, put tape.
I mean...
That is what we're talking about here.
All right, I'm going to stop.
dan friesen
Yeah, you probably should.
unidentified
Wait, to whom, by whom, from what?
jordan holmes
I do feel like he is describing what Trump did.
I think that is a great way of describing what Trump did.
Trump went into the National Association of Black Journalists and then insulted them directly to their face.
I can imagine that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
True.
I just feel like it's gotten sad now.
Alex's impressions...
The fact that he did a long string of them...
Well, it's still sad.
It's self-contained.
The fact that he played the clip and he's like, I gotta do one more.
It's just a bummer.
It's desperate.
He clearly has nothing to talk about.
And he just is...
Longing for the days of...
jordan holmes
It's just so much movies.
It's still movies.
It's like his accents are all things that he thinks people sound like from movies.
It's kung fu movies.
It's not like a Chiang Kai-shek movie.
It's samurai movies.
dan friesen
It's movies based on stereotypes that were built on racist characters.
unidentified
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
Good times.
So the Olympics are going on.
You've been keeping up?
jordan holmes
I have.
I've enjoyed the Olympics.
It's been a lot of fun this year.
dan friesen
All right.
You've been seeing some women's boxing?
jordan holmes
I have not seen any women's boxing.
I just heard about all the things people are saying, and I want to strangle the internet.
All of you need to go.
dan friesen
This isn't going to make you very happy, then.
jordan holmes
Turn it off.
Turn all of it off.
No more electricity.
dan friesen
Alex has some thoughts.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
No more electricity for anyone.
dan friesen
About women's boxing and the Olympics.
unidentified
Nope.
jordan holmes
We all lost.
alex jones
Algerian boxer, Iman Karlev.
Wins fight at Olympics after being cleared to compete in women's events despite LGBT fight as Italian opponent abandons bout.
Boxer brings issue of Olympics gender testing to surface.
unidentified
Wow.
Wow.
alex jones
Disgusting.
Women need to boycott all this.
We all need to boycott this.
If you need to know anything else about the Olympics, it's this right here.
They even got him adjusting his junk.
Got to get his pee-pee in order.
That's a dude.
And look, it's a mean dude.
All snarling.
And then after she quits, he comes over and walks by her like he's going to hit her again.
Man, you're a real tough guy, buddy boy.
You know, I'm out of shape, but I guarantee I'd get in the ring and beat.
Knock that son of a bitch out in three seconds.
I'd punch him so hard in the jaw, right underneath the jaw, I'd break his teeth off.
Doesn't even matter, he's wearing that stupid-ass mouth guard.
I'll break his jaw so fast, it'll make his head spin.
I'll break my hand on his ugly head.
Son of a bitch.
Piece of shit.
Absolute disgusting cockroach.
Go ahead and play the 46-second fight.
Here it is.
dan friesen
So that boxer, Iman Khalif, is not trans.
They're just getting mad about nothing.
Because they hate people who don't conform to their ideas, I guess, or precise notions of gender.
So Alex descends into violent fantasies.
I do think it would be really interesting to see him try that boxing match.
You ever see that...
That Jackass episode where Johnny Knoxville boxes Butterbean?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It could be like that, I think.
jordan holmes
I think this is actually such a great example of what we were just talking about.
Of, like, it's not about percentage.
It's not about that.
It's not about...
People being or not being.
It is about the appearance and the ability to exclude the other.
dan friesen
You're the other.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter if you are or not trans.
dan friesen
No, but we're going to use that as a cudgel.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
It is not.
It is all of us.
All of us at any point in time could be chosen to be the other if we're in a small enough group.
And that is why all of us need to stop this shit.
dan friesen
It would be a wise lesson to learn.
And this is just disgusting.
jordan holmes
It's just disgusting.
dan friesen
Alex descends into quite a protracted, hate-filled ramble.
Motherfucker.
jordan holmes
Two voices again!
I'm better with that racism, man!
dan friesen
Just to give you a little sense of how informed he is on this story, here's a little clip of him saying something.
alex jones
The main caliph is the definition of a piece of filth.
Beating up a woman.
On international TV, snarling at her, celebrating, and then proudly getting a gold medal.
I mean, I'm laughing because I don't want to cry here.
The Olympics is a total joke.
Look at this guy's face as he punches a woman in the face.
dan friesen
So he thinks that she won a gold medal.
It was a preliminary round.
Not even, you know, the medals haven't been...
jordan holmes
I mean...
dan friesen
He just doesn't even know what he's talking about.
He just knows that this is what he's supposed to be angry about, and he's getting angry about it, and it's touching into a lot of his feelings, and...
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I mean, we started this episode with him talking about how he's Neo, and Google has planned all their shit based on his resistance.
Yep.
Bunch of nonsense.
And we descended into a slew of racist impressions.
He talked to this weird guy who did some James O 'Keefe-y kind of stunts to stoke hatred of migrants.
And now we're into I hate trans people because I was told to.
And I'm going to yell about this boxer.
jordan holmes
I am Neo.
The internet is built around me, and now to prove that, I'm going to follow whatever is popular today.
dan friesen
Yeah, I'm going to get mad at the thing that the right-wing meme factory told me to be mad about.
jordan holmes
Told me to be mad about.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And so he does go quite deep into his trans hatred.
unidentified
Great.
dan friesen
Calls everyone predators and all that shit.
But here's a little clip of him talking about Elon Musk's child in a way that is...
Not appropriate.
alex jones
And you ask, why do they do this?
Because the sky is the limit.
They want to see what they can get us to put up with.
And the craziest thing the globalists can come up with is this.
And then mainstream media reports on it like, well, there's a little debate about it, you know.
But we love women.
The globalists don't like women.
They want to destroy women.
They want to inject you with poison shots.
They want to sterilize you.
Like Elon Musk said about his son, who's being sterilized as we speak, his son is dead.
He sent his son because his wife wanted to to an elite school.
And the elite school brainwashed his child.
And they took his child away from him and they sterilized him.
And now you've got Elon Musk to deal with.
But think about the cult.
Like, okay, if you're going to go sterilize people's kids and make millions of dollars over their lifetimes, ruin their lives, and your whole CIA cult, do you think messing with one of the most powerful people in the world is a good idea?
No, they don't have any sense.
To them, it was a bigger win.
Oh, we've got Elon Musk, firstborn son.
Instead of cutting his scalp off, the sound of our power will chemically destroy him.
dan friesen
So this is interesting because Elon Musk's daughter has come out and talked about how he's a piece of shit and he can fuck himself with all this nonsense.
And I think that what Alex is expressing is really, really weird.
I think it's a very strange mindset because I guess what he...
Here's what I had to wrestle with.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I think the firstborn son thing is actually pretty important because he believes that race memories are passed down in the firstborn son.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
That's Bible shit.
dan friesen
Right.
But he does believe that.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
He believes that...
jordan holmes
I mean, half of them believe that.
dan friesen
Alex does.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, totally, totally.
dan friesen
Alex believes that your firstborn child is critically important because that's where all the epigenetics go and all that shit.
jordan holmes
Right, that makes sense.
dan friesen
So he is thinking about it on even another level.
This cult has come along.
And stolen away the race memories of Elon Musk.
jordan holmes
It's not just a child.
It is the child.
Yeah, it's a win.
Getting any of his kids would be a win for the cult.
Getting the firstborn son, that's a birthday cake win.
dan friesen
Right, because that's where the magic of his genetics come in or something.
jordan holmes
Now we can use it to...
dan friesen
This is all just disgusting.
jordan holmes
It's just fucking disgusting.
There just aren't words either.
There just aren't.
dan friesen
At a certain point, there aren't.
So let's not dwell too deeply on this, and let's move on to another guest.
Because I thought, like, okay, we've had enough.
This episode has been stupid.
Yeah.
But...
jordan holmes
Truck raker.
dan friesen
Alex has found a way to impress me.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
With how stupid this shit can actually get.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Here's a club of the pastor coming up next hour.
brandon biggs
And I saw Trump rising up, and then I saw an attempt on his life.
This bullet flew by his ear, and it came so close to his head that it busted his eardrum.
And I saw he fell to his knees during this time frame, and he started worshiping the Lord.
He got radically born again during this time frame.
I'm talking, people say he's saved now, but he becomes really on fire for Jesus for what I saw coming.
alex jones
Brandon Biggs joining us next hour.
dan friesen
Very exciting.
Prophet Brandon Biggs is going to be on.
jordan holmes
Did he say it before?
dan friesen
He did.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
He did.
But also he's wrong.
jordan holmes
Sure.
That's not what happened and Trump is not now filled with zeal for the Lord.
dan friesen
No.
His eardrum didn't burst.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
There's factual problems, but he does address that and I appreciate it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Again, horseshoes and hangar gods.
dan friesen
He said that I assumed his eardrum had burst.
Because look what I saw.
You know, like, I saw blood on his face.
jordan holmes
Actually, in a dream, I imagine it would be hard to get an actual diagnosis.
If you're witnessing, you'd be like, ah, perhaps his eardrum.
dan friesen
If I'm talking to a prophet, that is an explanation I'll accept.
jordan holmes
I don't think it's bad.
dan friesen
It comes to interpretation.
jordan holmes
I don't think it's bad.
I don't think it's bad.
I think I've heard far worse explanations, so I'll give him that.
dan friesen
So he comes on, and he has some prophecies.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
This guy.
Well, I don't know.
A lady in a ball gown is going to try and kill Trump.
Some terrorists coming in the border.
Mostly just right-wing fantasies.
brandon biggs
And, you know, I've seen a woman trying to take him out that was at a resort.
And the Lord showed me.
She had, like, a French twist in her hair.
She was blonde-headed.
And I saw her walking down these steps, and she had, like, this ball gown on.
And she actually tries to take him out then.
And I've seen...
Three major terrorists come across the border in Arizona recently.
And the Lord spoke to me and he said, Brandon, I want you to warn my people that there's three major, like...
Generals is what I want to call them.
They came across the border and he said they're planning a massive attack on the Americans on the soil here.
And he warned me about this.
I saw he had a big beard.
He was a heavyset man.
I saw these other two men that were standing beside him.
They were skinnier looking.
And he said they're planning massive attacks.
And I saw these...
Cells of people that were here coming from across the border.
They've been here for a long time, and they're waiting on their orders.
And the Lord showed me these people all in these, like, when they are in some kind of command, they have some way of communicating.
And whenever they are told to do, they're going to strike, strike, strike.
And I saw them like ants coming up out of the ground.
And the Lord said they're underground.
He was telling me it's just like a type and shadow of what he was showing me.
They're coming up, they're going to come up out of the ground, out of their hiding places.
alex jones
Which means suddenly, suddenly.
dan friesen
Good clarification.
I'm like, I'm listening to this and I'm like...
Oh, Massive Attack?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alright, yeah.
Tricky.
So, I'm listening to this and I'm like, oh, here's the key to the puzzle.
He said at the beginning he's a big fan of Alex's show.
jordan holmes
There is that.
dan friesen
So he just listens to right-wing media and then he pretends that he has visions from God that affirm all of those paranoid fantasies.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Woo!
dan friesen
So as it turns out, he was a guy who was a janitor at a church.
For a number of years, cleaned a lot of toilets, and he was alone in these bathrooms cleaning toilets, and God would come and talk to him.
And that's how he started getting visions.
jordan holmes
I don't think there's any difference between a janitor or a preacher getting visions.
I don't think there's any difference between those two.
dan friesen
No, I'm just telling you what he said his story was.
I think it's a better story, honestly.
jordan holmes
Is he a preacher now?
dan friesen
On YouTube.
jordan holmes
Oh, man, it'd be great if he was...
Here's what needs to happen for him as a storyline, right?
It needs to be, I was a janitor, I made these prophecies, then I was elevated, you know?
And now I am the pastor of my church.
dan friesen
Well, he is kind of.
It's just on YouTube.
unidentified
Eh, eh.
jordan holmes
Not good enough.
dan friesen
Well, God told him to do the YouTube thing.
jordan holmes
God needs to get to work.
dan friesen
God told him to do the YouTube thing.
This is what he's supposed to be doing.
jordan holmes
That is nice of God.
dan friesen
So he has another prophecy.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Of another COVID.
There's going to be another plague, but it has to do with, I think, Ozempic.
brandon biggs
But the major thing that the Lord has been talking to me about to warn the people is they're designing a new plague.
And he said, Brandon, I need you to tell my people that there is a massive plague that will make COVID look like a walk in the park.
He said, Brandon, they are using AI technology.
And I saw them taking the DNA code of this virus that they're making in a lab.
I saw these leaders.
I saw these people.
I don't, from my life, I probably shouldn't name their names, but I saw these men in a meeting, and they were designing this virus.
And the Lord warned me, it was going to be spliced with the medication that you take for heart disease and diabetes and things like that.
And they were using it with AI technology, the people who take those viruses— You're talking about a binary weapon.
alex jones
Let me be clear.
You're saying it was designed to hit people that were already on certain medications?
brandon biggs
Yes, sir.
And he said it was genetic code, the way they were doing it with DNA.
And he said they were using that kind of technology somehow and making it into a super virus.
And he said, Brandon, there will be no vaccination that they will be able to come up with this.
This is made to have like a genocide against the people.
And he told me, he said, you must warn them that they're going to do this.
dan friesen
So when Brandon says he said, that's God.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I would assume so.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's interesting.
So this is stupid.
Another just right-wing media sort of fear type of thing.
Here's where my mind went while I was listening to this.
Okay, so God is telling you that there's going to be this plague that is, like, there's no fixing it.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, you're fucked.
dan friesen
So let's imagine someone does develop a vaccine.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
You should take it, right?
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no, because then you'd be going against the will of the Lord.
dan friesen
But these prophecies, they're very explicit about how they're being given them so they can change the future.
That's why God is telling them these things.
jordan holmes
Yeah, God's a weirdo like that.
dan friesen
He's having them be a messenger so we can avert these crises.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
So if there is this plague coming, and it is like, hey, it's real bad.
This one's a real serious one.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Real bad.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Someone comes up with a vaccine, you should probably take it, right?
unidentified
Nah.
dan friesen
You're going to die anyway.
jordan holmes
Nah.
No good.
dan friesen
They'd find a way to be anti-vax.
jordan holmes
I mean, I don't know what to tell you.
I just...
unidentified
Ugh.
jordan holmes
I wish...
I wish...
Man, prophecies are fun, though.
Aren't they?
dan friesen
Not when they're just this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's fair.
dan friesen
Prophecies are kind of fun when they're a little silly.
jordan holmes
I wish I was in the room with the three scientists as they're making the human race-ending virus just like...
Dude, are you shitting me?
Do you know what we are doing right now?
This is fucking crazy!
dan friesen
We're using AI to change genes of heart medicine.
jordan holmes
I'm going to snort it!
dan friesen
So I found this guy to be a little bit of a rambler.
I found his predictions boring.
I found him uncompelling.
But Alex feels the spirit.
brandon biggs
It was a yellow cloud.
It was like a plague coming out of...
It was airborne, is what the Lord was trying to show me.
And there was literally...
FEMA camps of people?
FEMA camps of people?
People that were dying from this virus and they had tents.
The Lord showed me tents of people all throughout the parking lots of places with cots trying to take care of them just to help them just to go on and they were going to die.
Once you got the virus of what this is, you did not make it.
alex jones
I want you to continue on throughout the hour because I can tell you're Yeah, man.
This is powerful stuff.
dan friesen
So now might be a good time to tell you that this guy, one of his websites is lastdays247, which I think is one of the most perfect websites.
24-7 end times.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Forever.
It's the end times forever.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
Perpetual, never-ending, 24 hours a day, seven days a week, from here to eternity, it's the end times.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Such a self-indictment.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there's something of an Ouroboros there.
Maybe.
Maybe just a little bit.
dan friesen
Last days, 24-7.
jordan holmes
As long as I predict it all the time, eventually, things are gonna end.
dan friesen
Yeah.
We're going to get to the end because this is just going to keep going until the end.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
Man, it would be so shitty.
Actually, I'm super stoked that we don't live for thousands of years because it would be super shitty if you had to be around a guy who was like...
Right around the corner.
It's coming right around the corner.
dan friesen
You said that 500 years ago.
jordan holmes
I mean, like, dude, we can't do this anymore.
dan friesen
Calm down.
jordan holmes
Yes, I get it.
Maybe after a few thousand years, it will.
I mean, that's kind of how things work, man.
Just leave us alone.
dan friesen
This time, I'm going to ignore you.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you got to go to bed, man.
dan friesen
So he's one of two YouTube pastors who are on the show.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry?
dan friesen
Yeah.
And so the second pastor, whose name I didn't write down.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He believes that end-time prophecies have been a little bit misinterpreted because of a Western bias.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah?
dan friesen
Yeah, which Alex shouldn't agree with.
jordan holmes
A Western bias?
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Fascinating.
dan friesen
And so he believes that there's going to be an Antichrist that comes out of the Middle East.
jordan holmes
Sure.
pastor steve cioccolanti
And the Antichrist, I think the epicenter, has been wrongly taught because America is a bit American-centric and because of the...
Ancestors of Americans usually have come from Europe.
unidentified
No, we're not.
pastor steve cioccolanti
We have a very Eurocentric gospel, Eurocentric eschatology.
I don't believe...
Sounds woke.
jordan holmes
Sounds crazy.
What are you talking about, say?
pastor steve cioccolanti
But the center of the Bible and the center of the Antichrist beast system is going to eventually be in the Middle East.
unidentified
What?
pastor steve cioccolanti
And this is where Obama is very interesting.
I had a dream just before this show a couple of months ago where I saw Obama and he did...
In the dream, I heard he did the old switcheroo.
dan friesen
Whoa!
jordan holmes
The old switcheroo.
pastor steve cioccolanti
That was before Biden dropped out and all that.
And I also prophesied and I said I have the date for when he will drop out.
And that's on YouTube.
The exact date of it within, you know, about 14 hours.
And he said in my dream...
alex jones
By the way, I'm not trying to...
God's talking to us.
I called the same day, the 20th, 21st as well.
dan friesen
I'm not trying to diminish what you were saying, but I did it too.
I did that too.
jordan holmes
Just can't not.
Just cannot let it go.
dan friesen
I did that too.
jordan holmes
Couldn't allow it to slide one time.
dan friesen
Especially when, you know, really highlighting it kind of does diminish the power of this prediction.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Kind of maybe it seems like everybody might have.
A lot of people might have said it.
Interesting.
So you had a dream that Obama did the old switcheroo.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I think it's so great.
When people make the basic observation that the people in the Bible did not know that America existed.
And therefore, all of the prophecies were probably not about America.
dan friesen
But they are.
jordan holmes
Well, fair enough.
dan friesen
Because Obama did the old switcheroo.
jordan holmes
I did not see Obama doing the old switcheroo.
So that is on me.
dan friesen
The switcheroo is in the Bible.
That is in Revelation.
jordan holmes
Man, I do love a good switcheroo.
dan friesen
So he did not end up getting a chance to finish his thoughts.
But I think that what he was getting at is we're getting back to Obama's going to turn the U.S. into a Muslim caliphate.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
No, no, no.
That's got to be it.
unidentified
That's the switcheroo.
jordan holmes
100%.
dan friesen
We're getting back to 2015.
jordan holmes
Obama did the switcheroo and Kamala's going to do the fumble rooski and then we're going to have a caliphate.
dan friesen
The old whip-whip.
jordan holmes
Yep.
Makes perfect sense.
dan friesen
This is fucking so dumb.
This is so stupid.
jordan holmes
What are any of you talking about?
dan friesen
Nonsense.
So we have one last clip, though.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And this is a discussion of how Brandon doesn't go to a church.
The prophet doesn't go to a church.
jordan holmes
Well, anywhere where two or more of you gather in my name, baby, that is a church.
dan friesen
But he tried to go to a church.
jordan holmes
Well, him by himself is not a church.
dan friesen
On YouTube, he's a church.
But he tried to go to a church church.
jordan holmes
Oh, bad idea.
dan friesen
Yeah.
pastor steve cioccolanti
We have a very soft gospel.
I've come here.
I used to live here.
And I've come back after 25 years.
In my opinion, America's unrecognizable.
It's totally clouded over by fear, fear of lawsuits, fear of everything.
The church is afraid of prophecy and prophets.
They can't stand it.
You know, Brandon was...
Can I say, Brandon, what happened to you when you gave that prophecy?
Do you want to keep it a secret?
I'm not going to name names.
jordan holmes
Name names.
brandon biggs
Yeah, I guess you can.
alex jones
Hey, let's name the names.
Go ahead.
What happened?
pastor steve cioccolanti
No, no, no.
I want to be kind to people, but this is America.
This is a little microcosm of America.
Brandon's come to me because he couldn't find a church for, God knows, like 10 years he hasn't gone to church.
He can correct me on the number.
He came to me, but he said, you know, I want my kids to go to church.
I want them to go to youth group and all that.
So he goes to a physical church in Tulsa, famous minister, and they find out about the video that I did and recorded him and I released on our channel.
It went viral, 2 million views.
And rather than embracing it as God is so merciful and he's warning us, What they did was when he walked in the next weekend, they assigned an usher to him.
Now, I thought at first, that's nice of them.
No, no.
This usher is to walk with him to the bathroom and back, to block him from talking to any of the church members, and to escort him out to the car park as soon as the church service ends.
Now, this is a pretty famous ministry.
alex jones
It's because the churches have become dens of devils.
pastor steve cioccolanti
Well, that's what I'm saying, is how can America be saved if we can't wake up a remnant of people?
alex jones
Yeah, Brandon should be up on the stage, not being harassed.
dan friesen
Yeah.
pastor steve cioccolanti
Exactly.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So I was listening to that, and I thought, like, that's a pretty well-run church.
jordan holmes
That is interesting.
dan friesen
It's nice of them to not ask him to stop coming.
jordan holmes
Sure, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Because he's obviously...
Showing indications that he could be a disruption.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And maybe make church not such a pleasant experience for a lot of people who are there.
Cut into the tithes a little bit.
Cut into the community stability.
jordan holmes
It is tough with religion whenever you start going people are too religious.
You know, that's always tough.
Because you're the religion.
You're not supposed to be like, hey, you're too religious.
dan friesen
I would look at it a different way.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
I would look at it not as you're too religious.
pastor steve cioccolanti
Sure.
dan friesen
But...
You're going through something, and it's manifesting in a religious way.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
We don't want to turn our back on you, but we're going to assign this usher to help you out a little bit, because you're going through something.
jordan holmes
But if you believe in the religion, you can't believe that people are going through something, and there's the religion.
You can't believe in both.
dan friesen
I think you can.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, you can believe in both, but you can't...
Believe honestly in either one if you believe in both.
dan friesen
I think you can.
jordan holmes
That's in the book that you are talking about.
That you can't believe in both if you believe in both.
dan friesen
I think it is an entirely stable thing.
jordan holmes
Sure, but not if you believe in the book.
dan friesen
But the book doesn't say Brandon is a fucking prophet.
jordan holmes
I mean, you know, but you can't say that other people are a prophet if you say that other people aren't a prophet.
That's the problem with religious.
dan friesen
I think that...
If you accept these prophecies that were way back.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
It's a little easier to swallow.
jordan holmes
I mean, it is always easier to swallow, you know, oh, Job talked to God instead of Joseph Smith found some, you know, plates.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I get it.
dan friesen
Or Brandon sees a glow cloud.
jordan holmes
It is tough to believe Brandon's glow cloud is the way God wants to talk to us now.
dan friesen
Klaus Schwab's using AI to meddle with DNA in order to...
Get another plague going with Ozempic.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
unidentified
Whoa.
jordan holmes
I do like a God that keeps things updated, though.
You know, you don't want a God that's stuck in the past.
You want a God that's still familiar with the new trends like Ozempic.
You know, you don't want God being like, what about those old weight loss drugs?
No, no, no, no, no.
dan friesen
You don't want God giving you a prophecy now about Fen-Fen.
It's no good.
I do think that God's very conversational and chatty in the way that Brandon is describing him.
Much in the same way with Alex, with the clocks and stuff.
jordan holmes
It is very similar to somebody's own internal monologue, one might even say.
dan friesen
Very similar.
This show's fucking stupid.
Very dumb.
Everything is bad.
I think the only reason that I jumped to this episode and we turned it around in rapid order is because of Trump's appearance.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And I think that it was satisfying in some way, the response, because it's exactly what you'd kind of think it would be.
No big deal.
He did a great job.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because it's on message.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It appears to be one of the craziest missteps that a politician could make, but if you're on board with Trump at this point, there's a really good reason to think that this doesn't matter.
This is what you would expect him to say.
unidentified
He's...
dan friesen
Doing what he's supposed to do.
And that sucks.
jordan holmes
I mean, I understand why we feel like we have to go through the motions here, but the man was already president.
You can't find out more about somebody after they've been president, except for like, oh, he murdered somebody while he was the president.
What you found out about Nixon wasn't like, oh, Nixon was secretly a worse person or a better person.
You knew Nixon was shit.
You just found out the shittier things he did.
dan friesen
Yeah.
You had some suspicions of the character of the person, and then you learned some details.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I don't know.
I enjoyed hearing a prophecy, I guess.
jordan holmes
What's the second guy's deal?
That's the guy that I don't like.
The guy taking advantage of the janitor.
dan friesen
That guy is a preacher who is, like, I guess he lived in Australia and then he came to the U.S. and he has a YouTube channel.
I don't know.
They're all just YouTube guys.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Yep.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
Anyway.
dan friesen
What a day to add to Alex's voiceover reel.
jordan holmes
That is wild.
dan friesen
So, we'll be back.
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
Indeed we do.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Yeah, we'll be back.
I'm just the mysterious professor now, I guess.
I can't be Neo anymore.
I could be DZX Clark.
jordan holmes
Well, we have a pretty solid Neo candidate.
dan friesen
I'm the mysterious professor man.
jordan holmes
Woo, yeah, woo, yeah, woo!
steve quayle
And now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
jordan holmes
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your work.
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