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May 10, 2024 - Knowledge Fight
01:34:07
#925: May 8, 2024

In this installment, Dan and Jordan find Alex revealing some details of his latest dreams, discussing how people get their news from movies, and hosting a trio of unsavory guests.

Participants
Main voices
a
alex jones
16:08
d
dan friesen
36:41
j
jordan holmes
21:38
n
nick fuentes
13:53
Appearances
d
dr andrew wakefield
02:05
r
roger stone
01:05
Clips
e
emmy robbin
00:33
p
pastor david manning
00:02
s
steve quayle
00:02
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
It's time to pray.
roger stone
I have great respect for knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.
Knowledge fight.
roger stone
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
Need money.
Andy in Kansas.
unidentified
Andy in Kansas.
roger stone
Stop it.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding me.
roger stone
KnowledgeFight.
alex jones
KnowledgeFight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to KnowledgeFight.
unidentified
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are.
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
unidentified
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today?
dan friesen
Why don't you go first?
jordan holmes
My bright spot is that Wednesday we went and saw the Cubs game.
My cousin and I. How was the weather?
Beautiful.
dan friesen
Okay, because it was chilly yesterday.
jordan holmes
Yesterday was chilly and rainy and terrible.
Wednesday, perfect.
dan friesen
Nice.
jordan holmes
Beautiful, 75 degrees, perfect sun, not too much cloud.
I even got a little sunburn.
I haven't been outside in years.
dan friesen
Did you catch any balls?
jordan holmes
Unfortunately, no.
But it was a really fun game.
It was a good time.
dan friesen
It was nice.
I feel like I would like to maybe take a game in this spring.
jordan holmes
I think we should.
dan friesen
Maybe that would be nice.
jordan holmes
It would be great.
dan friesen
Just being outside, seeing the air, the crack of the bat.
jordan holmes
It's just so...
I mean, when you have a good game, when you have a good day at Wrigley, there's just nothing quite like it.
unidentified
It's just perfect.
jordan holmes
It's beautiful.
dan friesen
It's Wrigley magic.
jordan holmes
It is beautiful.
dan friesen
Well, that's great.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
It's a great time.
jordan holmes
It was a good day.
Except for then I got food poisoning, spent all day yesterday throwing up, and that's why this episode's late.
Apologies to everybody.
It's on me.
dan friesen
Did you get bad sushi at the Cubs game?
jordan holmes
No, absolutely not.
dan friesen
Because then I'd be a little bit more pissed off at you.
unidentified
That's on me.
jordan holmes
That's my fault.
Yeah, yeah.
If I did that, if I was like, oh, I am.
dan friesen
Peanuts, Cracker Jacks, hot dog, no sushi.
jordan holmes
No sushi.
Oh, I'm going to try this ballpark sushi.
Not today.
dan friesen
No, no, no.
Yeah, so that's why we're a little late, but hey, it happens, man.
Sometimes you gotta dry heave for a day.
jordan holmes
For a full day?
Yeah, yep.
It's nice to be cleaned out.
dan friesen
Glad you're feeling better.
jordan holmes
I feel a lot better.
How about you?
dan friesen
I guess this is a little low stakes or whatever, but I have been inspired by Luke Rudkowski.
jordan holmes
How dare you say his name?
How dare you?
dan friesen
I'm not actually inspired by him, but I've been taking walks lately.
jordan holmes
Yes!
dan friesen
It's not because it is very coincidental that he was talking about the joy of walks.
jordan holmes
It is a little bit surprising, but yes.
dan friesen
So I wanted to give him a big shout out.
But I was taking a walk and I ran into one of those inflatable guys.
jordan holmes
Sure!
dan friesen
Those wavy inflatable men outside of a car dealership.
Tickled me.
jordan holmes
Tickled you.
dan friesen
Yeah, I hadn't seen one up close in a while.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's right.
You don't have much reason.
You know, you're not driving.
You're not walking past car dealerships at all.
dan friesen
Generally speaking, no.
jordan holmes
So this is the first time you would have had opportunity to see one of those.
dan friesen
The wacky inflatable waving guy.
Yeah.
It brightens your day.
Especially when you don't expect it.
When it's out of nowhere, you're like, man, people make those.
Those exist.
jordan holmes
I think that's the problem with those, is that they go from being awesome and you enjoy them to being the most boring and ignorable thing that's ever existed in a very short period of time.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I think I could watch one for an hour.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
We're going to be talking about May 8th, 2024.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
Getting some check-ins about...
Various things.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
And we'll deal with that in a moment.
But first, let's say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, can't wait to see you at the live show in Brooklyn, or so cool to see you at the live show in Brooklyn.
Thank you so much.
You're an Iowa Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
Oh, I see what that is.
That's time.
Time variable.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you never know.
You never know with us.
dan friesen
Next, Maddie from Kansas.
Thank you so much.
You're an Iowa Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
And Suzanne D. in Kansas.
Thank you so much.
You're an Iowa Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Do we need to go to Kansas?
jordan holmes
I think we might.
I think we have to just as part of the thing.
It's part of our thing, yeah.
dan friesen
We've got a couple of technocrats at the mix, Jordan, so thank you so much to K&A, taking it day by day with two sisters of Celine in southwest Missouri.
Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
And I can't listen to Knowledge Fight without headphones because my family thinks I'm listening to Alex Jones clips.
Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
pastor david manning
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
alex jones
Daddy Shark.
Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser little titty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much.
dan friesen
So, on our last episode that we had about the present day, there were two things where we needed to watch the space and see what happened with it.
The first was the whistleblower with no internet.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
They got their internet figured out and Alex had her on it.
Who cares?
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
So that did actually pay off.
jordan holmes
Okay, okay.
Fair enough.
dan friesen
In a sense.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
The other thing was that Alex's superpowers were developing.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And we have a little bit of an update on that on the 7th.
jordan holmes
Already?
dan friesen
Well, maybe.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
This is just a discussion of superpowers.
I don't know if it's all the new stuff.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But on the 7th, Alex is having a conversation with Roger Stone.
And so we're just going to hear a little piece of this where he discusses some prophetic dreams he's been having.
roger stone
I think there's nothing that is beyond them, which is why I've said repeatedly, I pray for the president's safety and the safety of his family.
alex jones
All right.
And that's why I'm going to go ahead and say this.
I wasn't going to say it.
I had a lot of dreams that come true, and I'm not saying it's going to come true.
But I had a dream a week ago, and I had it again last night.
And I told listeners I had a really horrible dream last week, but I couldn't remember much of it.
But it was one of those waking dreams.
It's really intense.
You wake up in a sweat, really upset.
That happens to me a couple times a year.
And I've had them come true.
I've also had them be narrowly averted.
So I'm not trying to get into a bunch of metaphysical stuff here, but I had the dream again last night.
I remembered almost all of it.
And it was a bomb on the Trump jumbo jet.
And it was in the dream me trying to warn Trump they're going to blow his plane up.
And I'm just saying that I had the dream last week.
I couldn't remember much of it.
I had it again last night.
I remembered most of it.
And the dream was me trying to desperately warn Trump.
I guess I'm doing it now.
He's got to check that airplane.
dan friesen
Yeah, man.
This is his new dream power.
It's the same as his old dream power.
jordan holmes
I guess.
We got Orange Hawk down.
That's what's going on here.
dan friesen
So, Alex has been having prophetic dreams about a bomb on Trump's plan, although maybe it won't happen because not all of these dreams come true, and maybe he's doing his part to avert it by just talking about it on the radio.
jordan holmes
Okay.
I think I already know the answer to this, but if one of his dreams is narrowly averted, He counts that as coming true, right?
dan friesen
So, like, if it doesn't happen?
jordan holmes
Yeah, but it...
Kind of, like, it almost happened.
Like, it's narrowly averted.
dan friesen
I think if it doesn't even come close to happening...
jordan holmes
He probably comes at his couch.
dan friesen
Of course!
jordan holmes
I stopped it.
dan friesen
Because he stopped it by telling Roger about it.
jordan holmes
Right, that's a good point.
unidentified
Yes!
jordan holmes
They all come true, that is.
unidentified
Always.
jordan holmes
In a way, they all come true.
dan friesen
Always.
It's a self-fulfilling, prophetic dream.
So, Alex gives Roger a little bit more detail about this dream.
And Roger seems polite, but maybe unimpressed.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
No, I totally agree.
So let me tell you what happened in the dream.
It was a very intense dream a week ago.
Sometimes you remember it for a minute, but it's in a subconscious area, and then you lose it.
I got up, I got a cup of coffee, I was going to write it down, and I couldn't remember it.
I had it again last night, and I was like seeing it in my dream that they're going to have somebody with a small bomb, but enough plastic explosive to blow out the bulkhead.
And it's going to be the person doing it won't know.
It's going to be the press or somebody that doesn't know.
They're going to slip a bomb into their handbag or into their backpack right as they go on.
And so I'm just telling them, and I've had these dreams a lot, 20, 30 times in my life.
How many presidents have died?
And I'm not trying to be hysterical here, Roger.
I'm just telling you that they need to check everybody's bags getting on that aircraft.
You understand me?
roger stone
Well, I will say this.
The Secret Service detail around President Trump does an excellent job.
I've gotten to know some of them.
Having spent time with him, they are dedicated to his protection.
They're extremely cautious.
Alex, it's amazing how many pastors and other Christian prophets contact me, knowing that I'm friends with the president, and say, please warn the president to be careful.
Please warn the president to be careful about his personal safety.
So, Alex, I think you've got to decide whether you want to call the Secret Service and tell them about a dream.
dan friesen
Yeah, man.
jordan holmes
Do you want to do that?
dan friesen
Do you want to call the secret service and tell them you had a dream?
jordan holmes
I appreciate the...
He had a lot of control over his tone for something that is that dripping with sarcasm.
He had a lot of control.
I mean, because I would have really hit that hard.
Oh, you want to call the secret service and tell them about a dream?
dan friesen
You know, I think there's a lot of people who are having weird premonitions about Trump's safety, but you have to ask yourself, can you look yourself in the mirror after you call the police and tell them of a dream?
jordan holmes
I appreciate it.
You know what?
I realized something about Adventure Time.
dan friesen
You know what it is?
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
I'm sorry.
I didn't mean to interrupt you.
No, no, no.
Roger's subtext is, there's a time and a place for this, and it's right here.
jordan holmes
And only right here.
Yes.
dan friesen
Sorry.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
No, I mean, that's what I like about Adventure Time.
They have a cosmic owl.
If he shows up in your dream, it's going to come true.
Everybody knows.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
There's no, like, oh, maybe this one will come true, maybe it won't.
Uh-uh.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
We could use that.
jordan holmes
It would be helpful.
dan friesen
But then Alex would just keep saying he saw the owl.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's true.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You could lie.
I'm starting to see a problem with most of human society.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So this is the prophetic dream that we have from Alex on the 7th.
And now we jump to the 8th.
And Alex had Roger on again on the 8th.
unidentified
Oh.
dan friesen
Obviously because Trump's trials are going on and stuff.
And, you know, so there's a lot of Trump to cover.
roger stone
Sure.
dan friesen
But the interview itself, I don't really care that much.
It ends.
And just look at this trio of fucking awful guests Alex has on the 8th.
unidentified
All right.
roger stone
I'm a veteran of 13 national presidential campaigns.
I'm a pretty shrewd analysis of polling data and trends.
And I'm telling you, Donald Trump is headed back to the White House.
alex jones
Roger Stone, StoneZone.com.
Talk to you soon, my friend.
Be safe.
roger stone
Thank you, Alex.
God bless you.
alex jones
All right.
Dr. Andrew Wakefield and another special guest.
He's got a new film coming out.
The original OG, when it comes to exposing poison shots, is coming up next in the entire next hour after that.
And then Nick Fuentes.
Two hours on the First Amendment and beyond.
Please support the broadcast and realize I need your word of mouth, your prayers, and you to go get great products at InfowarStore.com, like Nitric Boost, back in stock, 40% off.
dan friesen
40% off painful erections from Nitric Boost.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
But man, look at that trio.
Roger Stone.
Andrew Wakefield, Nick Fuentes.
jordan holmes
That is...
dan friesen
What a lineup.
jordan holmes
That is...
dan friesen
Shithead City.
alex jones
Wow!
dan friesen
Yeah!
jordan holmes
One, I didn't know Wakefield was still out and about.
dan friesen
Oh, he is, and he's up to some new tricks.
jordan holmes
I thought we had gotten rid of him.
dan friesen
I thought we'd whack-a-mold him.
Serious society has, for the most part, gotten rid of him and relegated him into a niche area of...
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But unfortunately, that niche area of media is...
jordan holmes
Now the largest area of media in the world.
dan friesen
It's growing, and the standards of things people take seriously are diminishing.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So he's got a little bit more purchase than maybe he did a couple years ago.
But serious society is still...
That wants nothing to do with this piece of shit.
jordan holmes
No, it's almost advantageous for him to have spent a few years in the wilderness because now it's like, ah, see, I'm back.
And everybody's like, oh, you canceled because they were woke or whatever.
And he's like, hey, woke can't stop me.
dan friesen
Sure.
You do all that stuff.
jordan holmes
I get it.
I get it.
dan friesen
And then you get Nick Fuentes.
We just got back on Twitter.
jordan holmes
What are we doing with this kid?
dan friesen
Elon Musk just let him back on Twitter.
jordan holmes
What are we doing with this kid?
unidentified
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Why does everybody let this happen?
dan friesen
Very unwise for Alex to buddy up.
It has always been and will always be a bad idea for Alex.
But he decides this is the roster.
And it's a lot of guests for a show.
jordan holmes
It is a lot of guests for a show.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Two hours of Nick Fuentes on the First Amendment?
dan friesen
It's not a lot about...
I mean, some of it's about the First Amendment.
Some of it's pretty fucked up.
jordan holmes
I would...
If...
Here's what I would say.
If we were going to do multiple hours on the First Amendment, I would suggest that they talk about the First Amendment, like the textual.
Like, do they even read the...
dan friesen
No, I mean, most of the understanding of the First Amendment is I can say whatever the fuck I want.
But before we get to Nick, Andrew Wakefield comes in.
And the reason he's on is to promote a new movie that he's made.
And this movie is dramatic.
It is not a documentary.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
It is a dramatized story about someone who was injured by a vaccine.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
dan friesen
And Alex is just thrilled with the cast of this thing.
dr andrew wakefield
Oh, no.
alex jones
You've got some big actors.
jordan holmes
Do we got a Caviezel?
alex jones
This looks really good.
dr andrew wakefield
We do.
We got...
We've got Eric Roberts, a wonderful actor.
In fact, during the filming, he took a week off because we didn't need him.
He went and shot two other movies in Texas.
I've never known a man work so hard, and I was, in fact, speaking to his wife last night, and they're going to be coming to the L.A. premiere.
alex jones
Well, I'm really proud to be associated with you.
Emmy Robin, we're going to come back with you in a moment.
We're going to join some stations.
dan friesen
Yeah, man, Eric Roberts took two movies in a week that he was almost like he'll do anything.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
dan friesen
We were thrilled to have him when he says yes to everything.
jordan holmes
Almost like he is extremely available.
To the point where one might say, but you don't need to do two movies in that week.
dan friesen
I was looking, I looked at the cast list and I didn't see any other names that I necessarily...
jordan holmes
I don't even recognize Eric Roberts.
dan friesen
I do.
jordan holmes
Yeah?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Where's he from?
dan friesen
He's Julia Roberts' brother.
What?
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I didn't even know that was real.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I didn't know she had a brother?
dan friesen
You don't know who Eric Roberts is?
jordan holmes
I kept thinking of Eric Bana.
dan friesen
No, it's not Eric Bana.
jordan holmes
I don't know anything.
dan friesen
Eric Bana might be a git.
Eric Roberts just does anything.
jordan holmes
Just does anything.
dan friesen
I think, as I understand, he had a much bigger career in the 80s and 90s and was in a fair amount of movies and then just sort of fell off.
Sure.
You'd recognize him if you saw him.
jordan holmes
I'm sure I'd probably see him and do the thing.
dan friesen
He's Julia Roberts' brother!
jordan holmes
I mean, that still means nothing to me.
dan friesen
Fine.
jordan holmes
In a lot of ways, yeah.
dan friesen
So, Alex is really excited about this movie.
Okay.
unidentified
Because...
dan friesen
You know, a lot of people get their news from movies.
jordan holmes
I honestly think we might have to turn the show off.
unidentified
I know.
alex jones
So many people, like 20% of the public on average, that's the number, as I've seen, maybe 25%, get their news from news.
Most people just ignore news.
They get it from movies.
And so that's why this is so important, is we cover the 25%, and the people that really want to know, but we're trying to...
Get to the people that don't know.
That's why this film, Protocol 7, is so important.
dan friesen
Most people get their news from movies.
This is Alex in a nutshell.
unidentified
20% or so get their news from news.
jordan holmes
But that's too easy!
dan friesen
Most people get it from movies.
jordan holmes
Most people get their news from movies.
dan friesen
From a dramatized version of things.
jordan holmes
Now, I might even feel differently if we were in the 40s and there was the updates from the wall before every movie.
I might even be like, oh!
dan friesen
The newsreels of the movie.
jordan holmes
There's a point to be made here.
No.
Refuse.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But it does explain a lot.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I mean, Alex thinks movies are news.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and it's even more obvious, because most people, like, the way that people work is, generally speaking, people find themselves to be slightly more exceptional than the population at large.
So if somebody says, like, oh, most people do a thing in the larger context, it's usually in a negative compared to me.
Like, I am capable of more than most people.
That's the way that, you know, we think, right?
For Alex, though, for him to say most people get their news from movies, he's saying that derogatorily, and yet at the same time is actually talking about himself.
dan friesen
Right.
But he thinks he gets it from documents and all this shit.
Oh, my God.
jordan holmes
Wild.
dan friesen
What a mess.
jordan holmes
Psychological terror.
dan friesen
So a lot of this conversation ends up being about how parents know that they don't need to get their children vaccinated.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
They know.
Parents know.
They know!
jordan holmes
A mother knows!
dan friesen
Right, so Andrew Wakefield tells a story about his wife saving their child in a pool.
And it doesn't make the point, but Alex seems to think it makes the point, and also is very confused by the story.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dr andrew wakefield
Let me hear your story, because this is so important.
It goes to this.
If you've got time for a story, Alex...
alex jones
Well, we've got plenty of time.
dr andrew wakefield
Now I'm a storyteller.
I was on holiday with my family, on vacation in southern Spain in a villa up in the hills with my ex-wife and my four children.
They were very young at the time, and we were up in one of the bedrooms because my second son had a fever, and we were up there, and my wife was sitting on the bed mopping his brow, and the rest of us were there.
And then suddenly, she leapt up.
She ran across the bedroom.
She ran down the stairs.
She ran through the kitchen.
She ran across the courtyard.
She ran across the second courtyard into the pool area and just dived full length into the pool just before my baby daughter took her last step to be out of her depth and to certain death.
Where did that come from?
How did she know?
I didn't know.
She just knew.
Something inside her.
Something visceral.
alex jones
Well, tell the full story.
The baby daughter?
dr andrew wakefield
Oh, absolutely fine.
Saved her.
alex jones
Explain the story.
I'm missing it.
She's there.
dr andrew wakefield
The baby daughter had gone.
She'd gone out.
We hadn't noticed it.
She'd gone to the pool.
She was going down the steps to certain death.
alex jones
Oh, wow.
And your wife literally picked it up and ran.
dr andrew wakefield
She just knew.
alex jones
She had that sixth sense.
dr andrew wakefield
Quite incredible.
alex jones
Because she ran down and saved her.
dr andrew wakefield
Yeah.
These two were once one.
unidentified
Yeah.
dr andrew wakefield
They were connected and they will never be apart.
They were once one body.
It was absolutely fascinating.
alex jones
Sorry, I missed the first part.
That's amazing.
So she literally psychically picks up.
My daughter's about to drown.
dr andrew wakefield
Absolutely.
None of us, none of the rest of us in the room had any clue.
And she knew.
It was the most vivid sort of insight into...
alex jones
Psychic power.
You saw her just rise up and run directly to where it was.
dr andrew wakefield
No explanation.
alex jones
It wasn't that she was...
You know, about to jump off a cliff.
It wasn't that she was out on the highway.
It was the pool.
dr andrew wakefield
Oh, she was about to drown.
alex jones
Go back slowly.
Describe it.
dan friesen
I'm sorry, what?
Start this from the top.
jordan holmes
Are we doing this again?
dan friesen
I guess so.
Alex is a little slow on the pickup, but he kind of gets what he's saying.
So I think there's two really important things about this that are fucked up.
One is that there are probably examples of times when his wife has gotten worried about one of the children and then nothing was happening.
They go and find it, and then you just kind of forget about that because it's not as dramatic or as interesting of a story.
jordan holmes
It's not a story at all, yeah.
dan friesen
Right.
And then the second thing is that by presenting this as a, like, she had a psychic power to know when her child was in danger so she could snap into action.
What you're doing is taking anybody who's had something tragic happen to their child and making it their fault for not stopping it.
Yep.
unidentified
You had the psychic power or whatever to it.
dan friesen
You just ignored it or you weren't there enough.
You're not connected enough to your child.
It's fucked up.
This is a mentality that is, it takes something that's romantic and kind of nice about the idea of a connection between parent and child.
And it turns it into like this horrible, grotesque thing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and it absolves you from having to think for even one second how it is that you have to go downstairs, across the kitchen, across a courtyard, and then across another courtyard to get to a pool.
And you, at no point in time, saw your child along any of those lengths of time.
Why do you have that much space?
Why do you need that much space?
What are we doing here?
What are we doing here?
You don't have to think about that.
What you have to think about is how great your wife is.
She's got psychic powers.
dan friesen
Everybody is psychic.
jordan holmes
Everybody is psychic.
dan friesen
That's fucking great.
Wow.
So, the other voice you hear is Emmy Robin.
And she's an actor who's in the movie.
jordan holmes
That makes sense.
dan friesen
And also a doula.
She's also a doula.
Wow.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I think every doula is also an actor.
I'm just going to throw that out there.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I do think that her contributions are a little bit strange.
alex jones
That's the magic to know we are eternal beings.
That is the proof right there.
That is so powerful.
emmy robbin
I can tell you, Alex, the women that I work with, when they have a natural physiological...
This unmedicated, untouched home birth, their connection with their baby is out of this world.
And I'm a testament to that.
I mean, my first daughter was an emergency C-section, and my second daughter was an all-natural home birth.
And I love them both, but my connection to the home birth is, I didn't mess with God's design at all.
dan friesen
Oh, man.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
I would hate to be that first child.
jordan holmes
I'm gonna get out of here, Ma.
I gotta go.
I have suddenly realized something very important about our relationship is that you hate me for some reason?
dan friesen
When you have the tone of, I love them both.
jordan holmes
I love them both, but one sucks and the other one's great.
dan friesen
I don't feel that connected to one of them because I had them in a hospital.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
unidentified
Whoa.
jordan holmes
That's the sound of one of them is no longer doing whatever I tell them to do anymore.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I don't know how old they are.
I think this is all just projection.
jordan holmes
Man, that is wild.
dan friesen
That really struck me.
jordan holmes
That fucks me up.
Yeah.
Yeah, don't do that.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
To your kids.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Especially not in public.
dan friesen
On the radio.
jordan holmes
Tell it to them, maybe, if you hate them, but don't do it on the radio.
That's rude.
dan friesen
So Alex has had some real dark times where people have been telling him he sucks, and he's dumb, and he lies a lot, and he's wrong about stuff.
And seeing that happen to Andrew Wakefield, and then him be vindicated.
jordan holmes
Oh my god, but he wasn't vindicated!
dan friesen
Well, sure, but still.
It gave Alex hope.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
I don't want to write myself in the story because it's not about me, but I've...
jordan holmes
Oh, it's not?
alex jones
You've gone through quite the giant persecution, thousands of articles, sometimes a month, every TV show.
Same thing happened to me.
Didn't do anything they said I did, but the courts are on there.
But the funny thing is, with you, I saw it and gave me faith when I was being persecuted five, six years ago and still am, how it turned.
And so what was done to you was being done to Trump.
It's been done to me.
You were kind of the test pilot for this modern CIA MI6 attack.
dr andrew wakefield
Yeah, it happened to General Michael Flynn.
It happened to...
And it's relentless, and it doesn't matter.
You know what?
Because this isn't about me.
It's not about me.
So you can say anything you like.
I don't care.
dan friesen
People will continue to say what they like.
You suck.
jordan holmes
All I want to do is be responsible for the vast swath of death and destruction left in my Wakefield.
Come on!
Let's go!
dan friesen
I mean, I do think that there's something shocking about believing that he's been vindicated.
But, oh well.
jordan holmes
By what?
unidentified
Whom?
jordan holmes
When?
I mean, he's just saying that now that we're still...
Because we're still talking and you didn't quit, I guess you've been vindicated.
But at no point in time is he saying, like, your stuff has been proven correct.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
It's just you've stayed around.
dan friesen
Anti-vex stuff has become much more popular than it was, and therefore you are vindicated.
jordan holmes
Therefore you're vindicated.
dan friesen
Alex's whole world is based on, like, fucking YouTube comments and the ratio of people liking Bill Gates and Joe Rogan posts and stuff like that.
So, of course, Andrew Wakefield's been vindicated.
There are more people who are like...
This stupid shit that he said is right.
jordan holmes
That is a really good point.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, vindication, baby.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
They're dumb.
And I do think it's worth pointing out that, like, they are not just anti-vax.
They are essentially anti-medicine.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we've gone that far now.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
We're in Christian scientist territory.
Doctors are not allowed near you.
dan friesen
There is a lot of that.
Whether it's...
Like, fully endorsed or just danced around.
There is a, like, all our medicine is fucked.
God has a plan.
God has a design.
It's like, Alex, you just had dental surgery recently.
Like, come the fuck off it.
What are you playing with here?
This is ridiculous.
But that's where they are, and that seems to be a direction that is creeping closer.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, you know, I've thought about this for a while for obvious reasons, you know, that kind of like do as I say, not as I do thing that happens so often with religious leaders where it's like, oh, you can't trust the hospital, but then they'll go get dental surgery if they need it, that kind of thing.
You know, that feeling of being a follower who does what they're, like, you're just not listening right.
Don't worry about it until you need it.
Isn't that the real message?
If you need it, go see a doctor.
But if you don't need it, tell other people not to go see doctors.
They're evil.
But if you need it, I mean, obviously, go see a doctor.
dan friesen
This is entertainment.
jordan holmes
Yeah, what are you, crazy?
Go see a doctor.
What are you, nuts?
dan friesen
So I don't really care to listen to too much more of these two promote their movie, quite frankly, because they suck, and I hate them.
So we jump to someone else who sucks.
And that's Nick Fuentes.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ, man.
That's unrelenting.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So this is one of the reasons why I was very okay with you being like, I'm sick.
I don't want to come in.
I'm like, you can't handle this today.
You can't handle Andrew Wakefield and Nick Fuentes coming in while you're dry heaving.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I've already got stomach acid flying everywhere.
You don't need it in your house.
dan friesen
Right, right.
So Alex is very, very impressed by Nick.
Very impressed.
alex jones
Really?
dan friesen
Why?
But let's not get into that Third Reich stuff.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Come on.
alex jones
Elon Musk, a true maverick by any yardstick.
You can say, oh, he didn't really do those giant rockets at half the cost of NASA.
He didn't really.
Yeah, he did all that, and now he's brought free speech back to a great extent 2X compared to other platforms.
He said, hey, I'm putting Nick J. Fuentes back on.
That's exploded on the top trends the last four days.
I did a space listen to him that reached millions and millions of people a few days ago.
And so here we are.
But I was impressed, and I'll be completely honest about this.
I was very impressed, and again, it was my daughter's seventh birthday, so I could only do an hour.
I had to leave.
People thought, oh, you're mad at Nick.
You left in an hour.
No, I can only do an hour.
Very great points Nick made.
Excellent points that Nick Sordor made, that Mario Neffal made, that the guest made.
I kind of want to repeat that and just cover a bunch of other big issues here instead of debating the Third Reich and things like that.
And I'm happy to go there.
There's been no pre-interview here.
I said, if you've got any questions or things you want to cover, send them to me.
So that's where we are.
But the Nick Fuentes I liked, and I'm not putting Nick down, was the guy I knew five years ago that exploded from nowhere and was America first and things I agree with and just really doing great talk shows as a very young man, knowing he would mature and get even better and better.
And then when the yay interview happened, I said, cover whatever you want.
They go, oh, don't worry.
It wasn't Nick.
It was other folks with him.
Oh, he wants to come in and apologize for what he said.
I said, well, I don't even want that.
I just want to cover all the other issues.
We can spend some of the time on the stuff he wants to cover.
But I have some questions.
None of that happened.
It was mainly press on the nerve of who's the most hardcore, who's the most real, who's the most wild.
And we can do that today, but I really don't want to do it.
I want to talk about...
Transhumanism, globalism, the open borders, the depopulation, the future of the world, censorship.
dan friesen
What Alex is essentially saying here is that he wants to make common cause with a Nazi by pretending that he's not a Nazi.
And when Alex sounds like the Nick Fuentes that I like was, you know, these years back.
jordan holmes
They're the same guy.
dan friesen
But it's like when there was plausible deniability.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Yes.
Before he did his Hitler tour.
The Nick Fuentes that I like.
He's still the same person in as much as he is very competent.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
He speaks incredibly well.
He has thought-out positions.
He sounds way smarter than Alex.
He's polished in a...
He's able to be media-ready.
And back then, you could pretend that he didn't have the beliefs that he espouses pretty regularly.
And I think Alex is just like, you've been exposed to our audience as someone who is a fucking bigot.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And we can't, like, I don't want that and to like you.
roger stone
Right.
dan friesen
Like, those two things are going to be difficult for my brand.
Right.
roger stone
So...
jordan holmes
I liked it before.
dan friesen
Can you be but like that?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Let's not talk about the Third Reich stuff.
jordan holmes
Give me an F classic.
Come on, buddy.
Give me some of that good stuff.
Act like a dick, but don't be like, ah, and let's kill all the, you know.
It's not hard.
dan friesen
I think Alex gets a lot of his wish.
Yeah.
Until towards the end of the interview, and then things fall apart a little bit.
But he gets most of what he wants, because Nick is pretty on message.
I mean, I don't know if it's what Alex would want, because if you look at the two of them, you have somebody who's very able to articulate a point, and somebody who's Alex.
And I think Nick looks very good compared to Alex in terms of his communication skills.
And so maybe that's not what Alex wants, but he certainly doesn't get, like...
Into how I think all Jewish people should be barred from having elected positions.
jordan holmes
That's usually smart.
dan friesen
Stuff like that.
At least not for a while.
So things stay in kind of a territory that's workable.
And Nick has a theory about social media that I actually think, I have the exact opposite theory.
jordan holmes
Okay.
nick fuentes
Like you said, we diverged at some point along the way, but I think you and I have always agreed that you cannot have a right wing, you cannot have a pro-freedom, pro-human, pro-American movement if we don't have access to the platforms.
And I think something that people don't realize is how tenuous this is.
There was a very short window of time.
At the beginning of the last decade, I would say roughly between 2013 to 2016, when social media really became activated.
This, I would say, is a specific singularity in the history of technological development when people had all gotten smartphones and social media.
It's the hottest medium that has ever existed in the history of mankind.
For the first time, unlike even before, when people had internet and computers, for the first time roughly in that period, in the middle of the last decade...
Everybody was connected to everybody else on social media at all times via their smartphone.
And I think that that created a very specific political outcome, which was the Trump Revolution.
It is no surprise that when, for the first time in history, the consciousness was elevated to such a high degree by social media and smartphones...
It produced a wild, populist, nationalist revolution.
dan friesen
So I do think that the outcome that he's describing I agree with.
Like, social media allowed a lot of this bullshit to happen.
But I don't think it's evolving consciousness.
I think that it's a medium that is rife with fraud and very easy to pass off bullshit on.
And so it eroded people's ability to interact with information.
jordan holmes
Okay, so what you're saying, your theory might be that...
Social media as a destructive and awful force created or led to us electing a destructive and awful force.
dan friesen
At least facilitated it in a fashion.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
So instead of that being sort of like an evolved consciousness, it might be...
A default consciousness.
dan friesen
Yeah, but to his point that probably couldn't have gotten Trump without it, I think he's probably right.
jordan holmes
I agree.
dan friesen
To the point of you can't have a full, robust, extreme right wing without social media.
I don't know if that's true, but it certainly helps.
Because there is a tradition of message boards and newsletters and stuff like that.
The right wing was able to spread and grow.
Without social media before, and I think that there's an ability to do it again.
It's just stymied considerably, and then the profit, the ability to profit off it is limited.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
I think there's something to be said about an awareness somewhere that they are a disease.
You know, like, whenever we don't have social media to allow them to connect, you know, those cells can just be there.
And they're not hurting nobody.
But whenever the cells are all connected and we get all this big movement from all across, that's no good.
That's no good for nobody.
dan friesen
Well, see, they think it's that, but it's the reverse.
jordan holmes
Yeah, see, that's the thing.
That's where we get into trouble.
dan friesen
So, Alex, on our last episode, it was the big one.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
The big one.
Everything's going down.
It's happening.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
We can mitigate it, maybe.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Things have calmed down a little bit.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
He's not in that bad of a mood.
But false flags are still coming.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
They are still coming.
jordan holmes
So, not kill everybody, false flags.
It's not the big one.
dan friesen
Eh, who knows.
jordan holmes
It's a pretty big one.
dan friesen
It's a little bit less extreme today.
You might have had a bad meeting on our last episode.
But, yeah, Nick's kind of on the same page that false flags are coming.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
The establishment knows they're losing on every front.
And my concern, my next question to you is, what do you think the deep state is going to do with 180 days to the election to try to demonize their opposition?
We've seen the pre-programming that white supremacists are going to blow everything up and kill everybody with no evidence of it.
I see false flags.
I'm really concerned about what this desperate...
Deep State is going to do as the whole world wakes up to him.
What do you think?
nick fuentes
I think you're absolutely right.
I think that's the oldest playbook.
That's the one that they always go to.
It's the exact same thing that they did in 2018 with the Christchurch shooting or any number of the other mass shootings or terrorist incidents.
Every escalation in censorship in the past six or seven years was always precipitated or preceded by some sort of mass shooting, some sort of violent extremist episode, which if you really look back and interrogate The actual timeline of events with any of those, whether it was El Paso or Christ Church or any of them, there was always things suspicious.
Like, there was never a federal agent very far behind, never a confidential informant very far behind.
In a lot of them, it was...
The closest circle, like the five people that knew the shooter, one of them was a confidential informant.
So I think you're absolutely right.
They, just like we, understand the stakes, which is that with Twitter, with Rumble, with big tech, now once again back at our fingertips, we really actually have a fighting chance at political reform in the form of Trump.
We really stand a chance at defeating the legal political persecution of Trump and him being an avatar and a representative of all of us.
And so I think, as you say, they recognize the stakes just as well.
I thought we already had that with the bridge.
dan friesen
That was what Alex was saying was the black swan thing.
And wasn't Ebola supposed to spread from Denver?
Anyway.
jordan holmes
If you can predict a Black Swan event, you've denied the existence of the Black Swan event.
dan friesen
Well, no, no, no, no, no.
Some people...
Alex has dreams.
jordan holmes
Never mind.
I take my criticism back.
dan friesen
So yeah, I guess the argument here is that Christchurch, that massacre, and El Paso, and all of these racially...
jordan holmes
Every time my friends murder a bunch of people.
dan friesen
Right.
That was something that was done by the globalists in order to kick me off Twitter because I'm too good on Twitter and I will get Trump elected.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's kind of the vibe, but I think there's a little bit of calm down.
jordan holmes
I mean, a megalomaniac is usually bad when they're just at a fucking toll booth.
Whenever they're Nick Fuentes, real bad.
Not good.
dan friesen
He's able to say this in a way that doesn't immediately appear to translate to that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
When I say that he's a pretty good communicator, it's because...
That bullshit doesn't pop out on its face.
A lot of the way that Alex, when he says stuff, it's like, most people get their news from movies.
Alex says shit like that.
Whereas Nick dresses things up pretty...
jordan holmes
Nick did not explicitly say they false flagged Christchurch because I'm the next Hitler.
He didn't explicitly say that they were trying to keep me from becoming the Fourth Reich.
But yeah, that's about that.
dan friesen
So, Alex tries to get into, weave into a little bit of conversation about the Gaza protests.
alex jones
Great.
jordan holmes
This is a good thing for these two to talk about.
dan friesen
Well, it jumps off topic pretty quickly to Elon Musk.
jordan holmes
Yeah, if that makes sense.
alex jones
I'm not supporting Israel's carbon bombing.
I also don't support Biden giving money to Hamas.
And then the left funding, as you can see, they're trying to create this clash.
Of civilizations that we're now witnessing, and I want to derail that, and Trump's imperfect, but way better than Biden, obviously, and get him into office.
So pulling back from this, we can say, is Elon Musk for real, or is he an opportunist?
I tend to think he's for real overall.
He's got a bunch of kids.
He's not perfect.
But he sees also that the wind's blowing in our direction.
So it's not that he's even an opportunist.
He's already on our side, but now he thinks the time is ripe.
To take these people on, he's doubled the engagement on X, formerly Twitter.
It's winning.
The people are awakening.
I mean, we're really at that magic moment right now.
That's why people have got to be so concerned about what the deep state's going to do next.
That's why we're trying to get everybody as focused as possible on that.
nick fuentes
Absolutely.
And it is, I think, an interesting question whether Elon Musk is an opportunist or if he's some kind of ideologue.
Ultimately, though, that we have the free speech platform, at least in the short term, is really the only thing that matters.
dan friesen
See, now this is exactly the right point for someone like Nick.
He's like, you know what?
Hey, Elon Musk could be good, could be bad.
I don't give a fuck.
I have got Twitter access now, and that's all that matters to me.
This is the only thing that matters, dum-dum.
nick fuentes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Stop it with a...
There's an interesting...
Maybe it's an academic conversation to have about whether Elon believes any of this shit.
And that you hear from Alex sometimes.
That kind of, you know, maybe he's for real, maybe he's not.
You even hear a little bit of that in that clip, but it's always so surface level.
Now listen to this next clip, because this is where Nick goes.
He discusses a possibility for how Elon Musk could be a crass opportunist.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
How could you imagine such an awful thing?
dan friesen
And there is so much more thought put into this than, like, the way Alex presents any of this stuff.
nick fuentes
I thought it was very interesting the role that Twitter or Axe played.
In the recent Argentine election, as you know, Javier Malay was recently elected just last fall in Argentina.
And it was before Javier Malay was elected that Argentina was going to accede to the BRICS alliance, the Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa alliance, along with five or six other states.
I think Egypt, the Emirates, Iran were a few of them.
And Javier Malay getting into office with the conspicuous intervention of X is what allowed Javier Malay to cancel that accession of Argentina to BRICS.
And recently, Elon Musk met with Javier Malay at one of these think tank summits.
And the connection would be in lithium.
Argentina has the largest unexploited lithium reserves in the world.
It sits in the middle of the lithium triangle with Bolivia and Chile, although Argentina has the most by far, and they're not exploited at all.
Now that Javier Malay is in charge, he's a neoliberal free market guy, and I think a lot of people agree with that.
I mean, I'm a free market guy also.
I believe in capitalism.
But Javier Malay is now realigning Argentina away from China, away from Russia, away from Brazil, back towards the United States.
And just as Argentina goes with the United States, so goes their lithium reserves.
Of course, what is lithium used in?
It's one of the most critical resources in the world.
Batteries, lithium-ion batteries that will be vital for the energy transition, the global green energy transition away from combustion-based car engines to lithium-ion electric car battery-based.
And so Elon Musk, well, he's in the business of batteries.
He's in the business of electric lithium-ion battery cars.
Now that Javier Malay is giving the United States the exclusive access to the lithium, and if you look at some of the particular companies, you might wonder, did X play a role in Javier Malay's election last fall?
And then wouldn't that suggest that there might be some sort of opportunistic angle for Elon purchasing X?
I think there's a lot of credibility to that idea.
With that being said, however, you and I coming back onto the platform and using that to get Donald Trump elected, using that to raise awareness about the things that are going on in the world, as you said earlier, about globalism, about medical tyranny, about transhumanism, I think it's a net positive regardless.
I think it can't be said enough.
It really, truly can't be overstated what that does for the right wing.
dan friesen
So, I mean, like, look, leaving aside whatever you want to believe about the conspiracy that Nick is suggesting has a lot of credibility.
The argument is that Elon Musk used Twitter and weaponized or allowed Twitter to be used in order to get Javier Malay elected because that would give him access to the lithium that he needs for the batteries that run his automated cars and what have you, right?
So, that's election meddling, right?
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
In some sense.
That is pretty fucked up.
But it's fine for Nick because he's also allowing...
Nick and Alex to interfere in an election using Twitter in the United States, and that's much more important to the right wing.
It's so much more important to the right wing that Nick and Alex be on Twitter that who cares if there's foreign governments that are being...
jordan holmes
Alex, let me explain this to you.
Let me try and explain this to you, okay?
Long-term goals?
Fuck them!
Shove them up your ass!
Short-term goals, the only thing we ever need to think about.
dan friesen
They're the best!
I honestly think a fair amount of this can be just kind of understood as someone who's really addicted to posting.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
I mean, you can't know anything about history and not be like, you realize this is a bad idea.
Give one man this much power.
How many times are we going to do this?
How many times are we going to do this, guys?
dan friesen
It is.
jordan holmes
You, too, should be saying we shouldn't give this.
Nick, no one man should have all that fucking power!
dan friesen
Right.
And, like, it's kind of, I don't know, a little bit of an indication that principles don't exist.
unidentified
It is a good one.
dan friesen
When you have two minutes of laying out something that is really pretty messed up.
Yep.
jordan holmes
Inexcusable.
dan friesen
If Elon Musk didn't let these people back on Twitter, they'd be attacking him over this.
jordan holmes
Oh, it'd be awful.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
It's the worst thing you can do.
dan friesen
This is what globalists do.
Exactly.
And because they're allowed on Twitter, it's a net positive.
That makes up enough ground that it doesn't matter if Elon Musk is using his own company to get...
Foreign governments elected in order for his profit margin and access to lithium.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, no, no, no.
That's great.
Great.
That's good stuff.
Everything is excusable.
dan friesen
If you're a Nazi.
jordan holmes
I mean, honestly, there is that.
What is he going to do that Nick Fuentes is like, eh, I want to do worse?
Like, come on.
dan friesen
That's tough.
Yeah.
Nick, as we know, we've heard this in past times that we've talked about their interactions.
Nick will constantly say things like...
Alex is run by the Jews.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And, you know, whenever he tried to backpedal a bit from the yay interview, Nick said that Alex got a call from his controllers.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
You know, there's all that stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex is a little bit like, come on, man.
jordan holmes
Just don't do that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Don't make me feel bad.
dan friesen
Yeah, so he scolds Nick a little bit.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
About saying that he's not anti-Israel enough.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
alex jones
I'm glad you bring up the anti-Semitism bill, because we didn't talk much other than a few text messages about you coming on, about what the topics would be.
And that's something front and center for me.
And I saw you a week ago, a clip was sent to me, and I'm not mad about it.
I've made comments about you, most of them tongue-in-cheek, blip it comments, or whatever.
And you were like, yeah, we've seen the new Greg Reese report, Zionist death grip on America.
Let's put it on screen.
And I'm not trying to get a fight going here for the last three quarters of the show.
I'm just getting this out, okay?
And you're like, yeah, well, I think Jones is doing this because there's pressure on him to do it.
No.
I hired Greg Reese five years ago.
I respect Greg Reese.
He does whatever he wants.
But I've made two films on the USS Liberty and bombs and the Israelis and 9-11 that I produced and made.
And I'm not trying to like this old man statement because I was on air, unlike most people, I was on air.
When I was 20 like you.
So I look at you and go, God, I respect somebody when they're 20 on air and now you're 25, 26. I don't look at you like, oh, hey, sonny boy, get off my block.
I'm the old man around here.
I'm 50 years old.
The point is, when you were literally in diapers, I was exposing the USS Liberty and all this.
And I get it.
I don't talk about it constantly because, to me, it's old news.
But I know Israel does evil stuff.
I know Israel has nuclear weapons.
I know Israel's been involved in a bunch of stuff.
I understand all that.
So it's not about scoring points here.
It's that I believe that if I just cover topics and issues, I can get everybody to go for them.
But if we make it about a certain group or another group, then we lose people.
I just believe that if I build it, they will come.
dan friesen
Big tent, baby!
So yeah, I do.
There's something really magical about the vibe of...
Listen.
I'm not trying to be like, I'm the old timer here, listen up, son.
I'm not trying to do that, but also I was doing this when you were in short pants.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
dan friesen
Talking out of both sides of the mouth a little bit here.
jordan holmes
I think that's just that thing where it's like, you gotta just give up and do what the young people say.
I mean, if you're thinking of your Alex, let's take it back.
Let's be like Elizabeth Cady Stanton.
You're crushing it.
You're fighting.
You're doing the whole thing.
And then 30 years later, somebody's like, why didn't you allow black people involved?
And you were like, because you're too woke.
And it's like, no, you should have just been like, yeah, we fucked up.
I fucked up.
Let's move.
Let's go.
Let's go, man.
unidentified
Well...
jordan holmes
Terrible.
dan friesen
The analogy with Nick and Alex falls apart a little bit.
jordan holmes
Eh, there is a little bit there.
I'm just saying it's tough to be a trailblazer and then find out that you didn't go fucking anywhere.
You know?
Like, you fought your ass off to go nowhere.
And then when the next generation calls you out on that you went nowhere, and all of the things you thought were accomplishments were actually nothing, then you feel like shit.
And then you go to that kid and you're like, see, my accomplishments might be nothing.
You're nothing now, so fuck you!
And it's just kind of that cycle over and over and over again.
dan friesen
Well, in that case, we should kind of hope for the side that does nothing to succeed.
jordan holmes
Oh.
dan friesen
Because at least nothing is better than awful.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
We'll see.
Climate change is getting worse.
dan friesen
So Nick talks about the protests that are going on on college campuses.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And he has a take.
That is interesting.
But I also think that this is probably a fairly good encapsulation of why even if somebody is on the same side as you in theory or aesthetically or whatever, that does not mean necessarily that you should side with them or take their position as meaningful.
nick fuentes
With what's going on, this conflagration over there in Gaza, we are at a very high risk of being drawn into hostilities with Iran directly, as evidenced by the recent tit-for-tat strikes.
At the same time, there is a mass mobilization on campuses to attempt to retard this.
And as you say, the people that are deploying to the campuses...
These people don't love America.
They're leftists.
A lot of them are going on the campuses really for the wrong reasons.
I mean, they're with the campus, or rather they're with Palestine, not because they're sympathetic even for the humanitarian cause.
A lot of them are just radical liberationists, and so we're not ideologically aligned at all.
And yet, deploying all those people to the campuses may retard America's support for a war with Iran.
So there's these two things going on.
War with Iran, mass mobilization on the campuses.
The mass mobilization on the campuses, if it gets out of control, as we talked about in a previous segment, could create a false flag scenario that could bring down Trump and indict patriots and undo the free speech beachhead.
At the same time...
The campus protests are the only thing slowing down America's support or it's reluctant drawing into a war with Iran.
So we're in this impossible situation where you shut down the protests, maybe you get a war with Iran.
You prevent a war with Iran by...
Going to the protesters and capitulating, but then you get this flashpoint for an all-out war in America.
And so there's this very, very slim, narrow opportunity where we have to thread the needle, where on the one hand, we can't let the protests turn into BLM.
We can't have them mobilizing in the event that Trump wins for some kind of revolution.
We saw a little bit of that in 2016 with Antifa.
At the same time, we also can't be drawn into a war with Iran.
So this is why it's very important for patriots and for America First types to be aware of all the facts.
I feel like it's sort of the same energy of Star Wars.
I know you and I are both fond of Revenge of the Sith, where they're kind of playing both sides.
jordan holmes
I got my news from that movie.
nick fuentes
Where they achieve their ultimate goal.
And I see, for example, they're characterizing all these protesters as pro-Hamas, pro-terrorist.
The cops are going in and cleaning them up.
And I see a lot of right-wing people cheering that on and celebrating it.
And I understand why.
The protesters are not friendly to us.
As I said, they're hardcore leftists, communists.
They're tearing down the American flag.
At the same time, look at the cost of bringing down the protests.
It's an attack on the First Amendment with the Anti-Semitism Awareness Act.
It's potentially clearing the protests so that there will be no opposition to America's support for Israel.
If they try to provoke a war with Iran.
alex jones
Well, exactly.
And then it sets the pressure for everybody to lose their free speech.
dan friesen
So he makes some points.
Oh my god.
Where's your head?
jordan holmes
I do think he's got that media smart reality stupid power that is so, so fucking powerful.
Like, being able to say absolutely ridiculous stupid shit like that, but in a way that to Alex sounds like the smartest man on earth.
dan friesen
Well, and there's some points that are almost impossible to disagree with.
We can't crush the protests because the effects that it would have on free speech.
We can't be on the side of that.
unidentified
Yeah, they'll be fine.
dan friesen
That's the appearance of a principled stand, though, that even people on the left would, you know...
jordan holmes
Oh, sure, but they're fine with that.
They're totally cool with it.
dan friesen
Well, not really.
What Nick is espousing is, essentially, we have to crush them a little bit softer.
We have to crush them a little bit more softly or subvert or something because if we use some sort of...
Giant power.
To crush it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
We're going to end up in a war with Iran.
And the First Amendment is destroyed.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
Right.
But if we just leave it alone and let the protest happen, then there will be a false flag scenario that could grow out of it.
Right.
Or it'll be an organic movement that ends up threatening the power.
jordan holmes
Can't let it become BLM.
dan friesen
Rise of Trump.
Right.
jordan holmes
That would be a disaster for two or three years max.
dan friesen
Right.
It's very obvious that there is like...
The appearance of agreement or support in as much as he doesn't want people to crush the protest.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But that is an illusion of his ultimate...
Hostility and complete opposition.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, again, it's optics.
Yeah, of course, if there wasn't cameras around, I'd be like, beat the shit out of those leftist losers.
We love violence.
But if there are cameras around, somebody like us who loves violence might cause a false flag out of the violence that we would do if there weren't any cameras around.
But since we know there are cameras around, we wouldn't do any of that violence.
I'm looking at you, you, and you, the three of you.
Don't do that violence.
Specifically the three of you.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
dan friesen
And it's interesting.
It's interesting the way that he can articulate these things.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
That makes you think, oh, this is like a rational human being instead of a psychopathic monster.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But I think it's an indication of like...
He thinks a little bit more than Alex, maybe.
jordan holmes
I think most psychopathic monsters do.
dan friesen
Or just there's the awareness of he's coming on Alex's platform and there's a different audience that he might be able to appeal to.
And so he's speaking differently and a little bit more professionally than you would when you're just at your own desk doing your show.
So Alex is concerned about AI.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But I think he's concerned about the wrong thing.
nick fuentes
They actually had to go back and revise ChatGPT and make it weaker because it was too powerful.
And now it's just the public product.
That's just what we know about.
We don't even know how sophisticated it is.
alex jones
Oh, let me back you up.
I know some of the top computer people.
I'm sure you do, too.
They tell me what we're seeing is 10 years old.
They're holding it back.
It would take everything over right now.
I mean, I already, listen, six months ago, the AI hacked my phone number.
He called me on Tucker Carlson's number and then mimicked Tucker Carlson's voice to me, but I could tell what it was saying wasn't Tucker.
So I said, this is AI, and it hung up.
Then it was confirmed it was AI.
I mean, that's old technology.
nick fuentes
Absolutely.
And, well, that's the problem, is we don't even...
I mean, people like yourself are aware, but the masses are not fully aware of the threat that's posed by this stuff.
dan friesen
See, that's where things get embarrassing.
For Nick to be like, absolutely, is ridiculous.
Someone prank called Alex and played...
Cut up clips of Tucker Carlson saying he wanted to fuck him.
jordan holmes
I think generally that the word absolutely should be retired from this show because it's almost always used immediately to agree with something absolutely not true.
dan friesen
Well, it's a placeholder.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's an affirmative.
jordan holmes
Why not?
I see no reason why I can't agree with you right now.
dan friesen
So the AI hacked Alex's phone, hacked Tucker's phone, made a prank call between them.
jordan holmes
This is AI.
dan friesen
So sophisticated.
And so Alex wants no AI.
None!
jordan holmes
Alright, I'm listening.
dan friesen
And then Nick makes a joke that was probably meant to be a little bit racist, and Alex picks up on that subtext, and then just kind of gets flustered.
jordan holmes
Good stuff.
nick fuentes
I agree.
Arms control in terms of artificial intelligence and robotics is really one of the understated issues of our time.
It may be the biggest issue of our time.
unidentified
And it's simple.
alex jones
When you go to Chick-fil-A and a robot delivers your food at your table or a robot – you say, no, I don't want a robot.
It's not that you're against technology.
It's that the technology is being bent towards attacking us.
nick fuentes
I don't know.
I may push back.
I mean, when you go to the drive-thru and you get an AI, I prefer that over what you usually get.
You go to Wendy's drive-thru and they're like, What you want.
What you want.
You know, I prefer the artificial intelligence.
alex jones
No, but I get it's better in ways, but it's like you put a worm on a hook.
The worm is the AI gets it done better, but it's connected to something evil.
I'm not saying the AI isn't better up front.
I'm saying it gives them total control.
So I'd rather somebody say, you know, three times, I want a cheeseburger, you know, like a chicken sandwich.
I told you a cheeseburger three times.
Send it back to give you a salad.
I understand.
That's a human problem.
nick fuentes
I'm just teasing you a little bit.
alex jones
I know you're teasing me, man, but it's like...
See, while you're all worried about religious groups and racial groups, and I am too, I'm worried about the technocracy, right?
I'm worried about that.
That's what I'm really concerned about.
nick fuentes
I think you're right to be concerned about that.
It's certainly one of the big issues of the time.
AI, robotics, it's the end of humanity.
I totally agree with you.
alex jones
Well, maybe I can't help myself that I project humanity on every group.
And I think they're going to want to join me.
Maybe I'm wrong, Nick.
Okay, you brought up a great point.
Next point, what do you want to cover?
dan friesen
What the fuck?
jordan holmes
What is happening?
dan friesen
So, Alex, whether or not...
I do think that Nick's joke was meant to be racist.
That's why he's doing a voice.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And Alex picked up on that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that made Alex be like...
I'm going to take this seriously.
And Nick's like, I'm fucking with you.
I'm just being a dick.
jordan holmes
That was a fun racist joke.
If we were at a bar, you would have laughed.
We would have moved on.
dan friesen
And Alex picks up on this and he's like, I care about the issues, not various groups.
Because he's responding to the joke that he knows that Nick made.
jordan holmes
I prefer AI to black people, is essentially what Nick said.
And he's like, now we don't say that here on the, again, optics.
People are watching us now.
dan friesen
And Alex, even the point where he says, maybe I'm wrong to project goodness on other groups.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
dan friesen
That might be more racist than anything that Nick is saying.
jordan holmes
I don't even know how to, like...
Like, that is the most white man's burden to ask.
Like, listen, we all know white people are great.
Maybe part of the thing that is our failing is believing others are great.
dan friesen
That is essentially what Alex just said.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
That's fucked up.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So, the million dollar question.
jordan holmes
What's your biggest flaw?
Too few flaws.
That's my biggest flaw.
Don't have any.
Makes people uncomfortable around me because I have zero flaws.
It's an issue.
dan friesen
I like that Alex is also doing this thing where he's like, you think about groups too much.
Maybe it's my fault that I think so highly of other groups.
What?
jordan holmes
These people are fucking insane.
They have no idea, right?
They just talk, and it's all fine, and they go about their days, and then they go eat, and then they go home.
Not at any point recognizing everything I believe on a day-to-day basis might as well be pink elephants.
dan friesen
But at least from Nick's perspective, he knows he's fucking with Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
When he makes that joke, he's like, I'm just messing around with you.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
There's a ton of other instances where he's like...
I'm hiding what I'm actually meaning and talking about because obviously we're on your fucking show.
You don't want me to come through with what I actually believe.
You don't want me to speak freely.
That would make you look bad and me look bad.
Your audience isn't ready for that.
jordan holmes
It is a sign of how gun-shy Alex is that even a little joke like that sets him off so bad.
dan friesen
Well, there's a rippling undercurrent of this that you can hear in Alex's, like, I was doing this when you were in diapers.
There is that, like, you don't respect what I do because your bigotry is an umbrella over all of my ideas.
You can have complete agreement and agree with all of the things I believe about vaccines, digital currencies, COVID, all of it.
You know, everything.
And you have your umbrella on top.
And I can't do anything about that except tell you, fuck that umbrella, and it doesn't work.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
Can't you just be all the things that I like without being any of the things that I don't like?
And only be those for me.
dan friesen
But also those things, I don't actually really not like them that much.
It's just I know well enough to know that optically this is really bad.
jordan holmes
What a toxic relationship the two of them have.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Just like in a pure, like in a metaphorical sense of Alex looking at the younger version of himself.
dan friesen
And the fact that since day one of him knowing Nick, he's known that Nick and his followers are actually Nazis.
jordan holmes
They're straight up Nazis.
dan friesen
He knows this.
Millie Weaver told him that.
Yep.
And he doesn't care.
He knows the dance that he's gotten into, and it comes to this point because he's humored it, because he understands the popularity and audience that Nick can attract.
jordan holmes
I think I'm going to refer back to long-term goals?
Shove them up your ass!
Short-term goals, the only thing that matters.
dan friesen
So the million-dollar question is, what would you do if you were in charge, Nick?
Now this question...
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
dan friesen
This question is sort of a trap.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because Alex knows what Nick would do if he was in charge.
alex jones
So this is the big question.
Obviously, you wouldn't want to be a dictator.
You wouldn't want to be, you know, Kim Jong-un.
But if you were George Washington and you were the president, how would you end these wars?
What would you do politically?
What would you do to the left?
People say, oh, Trump's going to get in and be a dictator.
Well...
We're not about retribution.
I said this to the first hour of Roger Stone, but they've committed crimes.
The deep state is embedded.
It's a coup.
So if there's a coup that's taking over your government, you've got to go remove it.
We're not looking for a fight.
They already did it.
So if you were the president, if you were President Trump January 21st, 2025, sworn in in front of the U.S. Capitol, what would Nick Foynto do?
unidentified
Well...
nick fuentes
Day one, I would fire 50,000 federal employees because what you have to recognize is when Trump got in the first time...
It was the deep state that refused to allow him to carry out the agenda.
And we could get into all the details on that, but it was literally an abject refusal and sabotage.
I mean, borderly illegal and unconstitutional.
So I'd fire 50,000 people right off the rip and replace it with loyal patriots.
dan friesen
So his second thing that he says is build the wall, and three is capitulate to Russia about Ukraine to hope that you keep them from being aligned with China.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
So you have, like, a real whitewashing of his positions.
You have sanitizing them for the audience so they don't look like what they are.
I have some suspicion that Alex asked that question because he was trying to see if Nick would do his normal shit that he does on his own show, which is a bit more extreme.
Or if you would do this version.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he does this version.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex is kind of realizing, like, I'm talking to a politician here.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
This is a guy who's not giving me his actual sincere opinions.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
He has to know that that is the question that will be answered by asking this question.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Are you fucking with me, or are you speaking, like, your actual positions that you would in private?
Okay.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Because I was taking it...
And I think I understand that.
I was thinking of it more as, like, if this is almost like a test, you know?
Like, if you toe the line and have, like, a conversation with me, that's you capitulating to me.
Instead of being like, here's what I think we should do.
That would be you going rogue.
You know what I mean?
dan friesen
I think that that is what Alex hopes.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That if you give me the sanitized version, you're playing ball.
jordan holmes
Yes, yeah, yeah.
Is he hoping to play ball or is he hoping he'll go rogue?
dan friesen
I think he's hoping he'll play ball.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But at the same time, knows that his heart is rogue.
jordan holmes
His heart is rogue!
dan friesen
And there is, I think there's an attempt to get some sort of a power position in the conversation by being like, we both know what you actually believe.
unidentified
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
And I don't think that Nick cares.
jordan holmes
Right, I do feel, I do get a little bit of Alex being like, kiss the ring.
Just a little bit of that, you know?
dan friesen
Yes!
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And I don't think Nick cares at all.
jordan holmes
Why would he kiss a ring?
What are you, Alex?
You're going to be gone in like five months, maybe.
dan friesen
Maybe two, based on your own words.
jordan holmes
Why would I kiss your dumb ring?
dan friesen
Yeah, and so Alex is constantly trying to sort of tease this out.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This, hey, your followers are Nazis.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know that, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's just very weird.
alex jones
All right, Nick, let's talk GMO, transhumanism, poison shots, UN treaties, world government, because I see a lot of the great work that folks are out there doing covering certain issues.
But I'm not saying you, but it seems like a lot of your supporters are a one-track mind on one issue and one issue alone.
And to me, I want to sell people on a pro-human future like Elon Musk is doing.
And I'm not doing that to critique you or say you're wrong.
I'm saying, This is where I come from.
This is what I actually believe.
There's no wizards telling me what to do.
Sometimes I wish there was.
I am literally trying to fight for a human future.
I have four children.
dan friesen
Hey, Dum Dum, you have prophetic dreams.
jordan holmes
I mean, he literally said earlier that he has prophetic dreams.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
So somebody is myth magic.
Telling him things.
dan friesen
In some way.
But the bottom line here is that Alex understands what Nick and his followers are about.
He's just trying to dance around it because acknowledging it wouldn't play too well with some of the audience.
Alex knows what Nick believes.
He's already asked him direct questions that he has to know were answered dishonestly.
And he continues to do this thing where he's pretending that Nick is a sincere actor here.
And I think it's all defensive.
This is only happening because there's a tenuous situation in this conversation that Nick is allowing to exist.
Nick doesn't need Alex anymore, but Alex's audience is still a potential pool to recruit from, so he's letting Alex make these kind of impotent digs on him.
But at any point, Nick could drop everything and Alex would be fucked.
Yep.
unidentified
And Nick would be able to be like, you know what I'm about.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
We've had conversations about it.
dan friesen
There is a thin illusion that is being maintained only at Nick's will.
jordan holmes
And, I mean, quite simply, just they all want a dictator, and their arguments, or Nick's arguments for being like, here's why I would become a dictator, would be far more compelling than Alex's, like, well, democracy has some flaws.
Like, it would be ridiculous.
It would be an absolutely ridiculous argument.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And so this is the point where I thought things were very weird, and that is that...
Alex has made it clear, like, these things, like, I know what you're about, your followers are one-track minded.
jordan holmes
You're a Nazi!
You hate the Jews!
dan friesen
There is a lot of this, and Alex has been doing what it seems like prodding, almost.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Give me a little taste of the anti-Semitism.
dan friesen
You would expect that the end result of this is Nick being like, alright, let's play it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
Instead...
dan friesen
Alex kind of drops the whole thing.
jordan holmes
Oh, for fuck's sake.
dan friesen
And it blows up in his face a little.
nick fuentes
But it does all come down to, as you said, this full spectrum of issues.
Everything that's getting in the way is coming from the globalists.
It's the vaccines.
It's the poison, GMO foods.
It's things like birth control.
I would contend it's even fundamentally built into modernity.
It's the fact that women are deferring childbirth.
All the time, the average age at which women are having children is always going up.
And the higher that it goes, the lower the fertility rate is.
alex jones
So let's just get the elephant in the room out in the open because you're being nice here on the show.
I'm not afraid of going anywhere because, like, 80% of people in Israel are against Netanyahu.
I just want to give Jews an opportunity to come in.
I want to give Germans, Christians, Muslims, anybody.
Netanyahu did say he uses Israel as guinea pigs.
And if you do look at Borla, and if you do look at Larry Fink and the CEOs, they are predominantly Jewish.
The leaders of the Communist Revolution, they're predominantly Jewish.
And we've got great folks like the people that put out these major conservative universities like PragerU.
They admit that.
There's also a lot of great people that would be Jewish that are fighting that.
But I wonder where that paradigm is.
Where you have so many of the transhumanists, like Yuval Noah Harari and others, that are with Bill Gates, who sounds like a eugenicist Nazi to me, on that paradigm.
Because when I try to oppose globalism, or Yuval Noah Harari, I get a New York Times article how I'm anti-Semitic.
I didn't really make a focus on him being Jewish, saying it's a post-human world.
To say the future's not human, that sounds beyond Hitler.
Hitler said it's only Aryan.
And slaves under it, which I don't agree with.
But then when somebody says, you're all dead, you're all scum, you're all trash, I have a real problem with that.
So how do you square that up?
nick fuentes
Well, I think that religion is fundamental.
And if I talk a lot about Jewish people, it's because I am fundamentally motivated, more than anything, by the mission to evangelize people into the Christian religion.
For me in particular, that's the Catholic Church.
dan friesen
I am a Christian fundamentalist.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I don't know if you know this about me.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
The thing that I am.
Famously.
dan friesen
Maybe defines my character and everything I do.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Is that Nick is playing the game.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
He says all of this stuff comes from the globalists.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
The vaccines.
jordan holmes
He's even kind of making a joke out of saying the globalists.
Like, it's almost there.
dan friesen
I'm not sure that that necessarily is, but maybe you're picking up on, maybe that's what Alex picked up on.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it could be.
dan friesen
Maybe that was, but I don't think that he's necessarily trying to tease.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
He may be.
I don't know.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
There is a playing the game which is in service of appealing to Alex's audience that doesn't like you and getting them over to your content where you can speak freely and say all the crazy, awful shit that you do say.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
When Alex says you're being nice on the show, that's code for I know you mean the Jews and you're fucking with me.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
dan friesen
He's forcing the issue.
jordan holmes
Well, but here's what I, you know, like...
From the outside, you might think, oh, well, Alex doesn't need to do this.
This is a whole thing.
But I do kind of get this feeling.
Like, for the longest time, I've experienced a great deal of frustration when Alex calls them the globalists.
Really, he's just saying the Jews, right?
Imagine being Alex, who spent your entire life calling the globalists, but really you were just saying Jews, having to listen to this guy, who spent his entire life calling them the Jews, calling them the globalists to you.
That's almost like, that's how I feel.
I'm like, shut the fuck up and just say the word that you want to say!
And I feel it!
dan friesen
I feel it!
jordan holmes
I feel it coming from Alex right here!
dan friesen
I get it!
I think some of that is probably baked in, and then some of it is patriot dominance that he wants to assert.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
There is this, like, I think I can bust you, but you can't.
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
Because Alex is basically just like...
You hate Jews.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then Nick is like, it's because I'm a Christian.
It's like, oh no, you dodged it.
Now what's Alex going to do?
jordan holmes
It's just not hard.
It's just not hard.
dan friesen
I'm a Christian fundamentalist and I hate everybody who's not a Christian.
jordan holmes
It's very, very simple.
dan friesen
Oh.
Okay.
And the problem for Alex also is, in trying to set up this question where he's like, you're an anti-Semite.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He has laid out a pretty anti-Semitic thread.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex has staked his ground on shoddy territory, and then Nick is able to just abandon him and leave him high and dry and be like, my bigotry is actually just fundamentally because I'm religious.
Aren't you religious?
Uh-oh.
Yeah, Alex is not in a good place.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I wouldn't want to be there.
dan friesen
So Nick, now the door is open, can just...
jordan holmes
Let's right walk on through.
Start the crusades all over again.
Oh boy.
nick fuentes
So I don't have this view of, I don't have an indifferentist view of God that, you know, everybody's out there worshiping the same God.
I think there's one Trinitarian God with a very specific, particular nature.
I think that one of those persons of God became incarnate in man.
His name was Jesus Christ.
He was put on the cross.
He founded a church.
Now, the reason I say all that stuff is because, of course, the Jewish people rejected him.
And the Jewish people...
In rejecting him, in rejecting the Messiah that they were to bear.
And a lot of the Jews, of course, the early Christian community was mostly Jewish people who then became Christians.
But those Jews that persisted without accepting Jesus Christ...
They kind of formed this new religion, this rabbinical Judaism.
Maimonides is a part of it.
There's a very dense and complicated history.
And throughout history, you see them show up at the beginning of all of these evil movements, like the Kabbalah, like the Illuminati.
You see them at the founding of, really, the Enlightenment with Baruch Spinoza.
And you see them popping up all over the place, and I don't think that's a coincidence.
I think that there's a very clear kind of dichotomy set up from a religious point of view.
dan friesen
Yikes.
Yikes, yikes, yikes.
It's not a coincidence that you see Jews pop up in these things that I have deemed evil.
jordan holmes
Yikes.
Well, if that's your reasoning, no flaws there.
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Yeah, I just...
Alex, you're fucked.
jordan holmes
That's so fucking stupid.
I just hate that the audio of these arguments sounds similar.
dan friesen
This isn't an argument.
jordan holmes
No, what are you saying?
How about I put it better?
The tone, the way that he's speaking, sounds so similar all across the line regardless of the content of his bullshit.
You cannot be smart enough to know earlier things and stupid enough to still believe that shit.
That is a calculated awareness of how to exploit other people's stupid beliefs.
It's not a sincere belief whatsoever.
The idea that he's...
Nick Fuentes does not give a fuck about the Kabbalah.
dan friesen
I think he has some feelings.
But I don't know.
It is exploitative in some sense.
But man, Alex just shouldn't do this stuff.
He's just allowing Nick...
Because there's nothing he can do.
Like, this is Alex's best that he's got.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
nick fuentes
Revelation talks very precisely about a synagogue of Satan.
I think that Jews being the only religion that say that Jesus is burning in hell, being the only religion that actually hates Jesus, I think that's extremely relevant.
alex jones
Sure, but let's back off from that because I want to have a real discussion here.
And I agree with what you're saying.
That's true.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
It's the Jews came up with Abrahamic religions.
I mean, there's something special about the Jews.
Even before Jesus, King David, King Solomon, and all that.
What do you think it is about the Jews?
I mean, 3,000 years ago, they were a big deal.
I mean, let's recognize there's something going on there.
nick fuentes
Well, God chose them to bear the Savior.
God chose Adam and Eve, and God chose Noah, and God chose Abraham, and so they were raised up.
alex jones
So exactly.
As much as I'm mad at what some of them are doing, I respect...
What they came from.
You see the difference?
dan friesen
Oh, man.
This is not good.
I don't know what point Alex is necessarily hoping to distinguish himself from Nick on, but he's like, okay, you said a bunch of anti-Semitic shit.
Now, that is all true, but also, aren't you pretty cool?
jordan holmes
It feels like this was a plan to...
Get his audience to a place where even Alex would be like, well, obviously it's reasonable to hate the Jews for these reasons, but it sounds like Alex got there on accident.
He's like, well, hey, listen, you're making great points about how I hate the Jews.
I'm with you.
I've been there the whole time.
I mean, wait, what am I saying?
I'm sorry.
Are we doing this smarter or dumber?
dan friesen
It does feel like Alex's hope is to...
Like I said, assert patriot dominance over Nick and be like, your path is wrong, this is no good.
jordan holmes
You're a Hitler guy.
dan friesen
But at the same time, all you have is Alex making sort of veiled jabs at him at the beginning and Nick not really giving a shit.
And now Alex opening up this box, Nick being fine, and Alex floundering and saying a bunch of anti-Semitic shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
dan friesen
So it's actually Alex demonstrating that Nick...
Is going to outdo him at every turn.
jordan holmes
At every possible turn.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that's unfortunate.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
It does feel like Alex is just like, man.
Okay.
unidentified
If only Hitler was named George Washington too.
jordan holmes
Then we could have really just made the ambiguity perfect.
dan friesen
Oh, if only.
But they have a lot of agreement on a lot of things.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Like that there's a war on Christians going on.
jordan holmes
Obviously.
Clearly, because they're allowed to say stuff like that.
alex jones
That's only a UN global war on Christians.
The UN admits it's record level attacks on Christians.
Why do you think that is?
nick fuentes
I think it's because Christians, because they have belief in God, cannot be controlled by worldly powers.
Of course, global government fears religion that they can't control.
Of course, they fear.
It's just no different than the devil who thinks that he controls the world, who offered Jesus control over the world if only Jesus would bow and worship at his feet.
It's really that same frustration that the devil had.
Jesus would not submit to him.
Christians will not submit to the Antichrist New World Order system.
That's because we worship God.
alex jones
That's totally true.
That's why they're so pissed.
I haven't said this yet, but they were dumb enough to do it outside of mediation.
They just said, just come out against the Republicans and guns in America and we'll leave you alone.
I'm like, you just did that in non-mediation.
You just admitted that.
I mean, they are literally admitting that to me.
They just want me to give up on my morals.
And be their slave.
I can't physically do it, Nick.
That's why when I get criticized for it, it makes me mad because I may be temporarily distorted through rose-colored darklies, but I am trying to be a good person.
I'm trying to tell the truth.
nick fuentes
I know, and I know that, and we know that.
dan friesen
We'll reassure you, Alex.
I know you're a good boy.
jordan holmes
What is happening?
dan friesen
Alex is just floundering.
jordan holmes
I mean, it felt like Alex was like, hey, I'm not a Nazi.
You're a Nazi.
Kiss the ring.
And now Alex is like, I'm a Nazi.
Would you make me feel better for being a Nazi?
Because I don't want to...
dan friesen
You don't lie.
You don't try to lie.
jordan holmes
But it just seems like every time I say I'm not a Nazi and then you Nazi things, I go, I agree with you.
dan friesen
Shit.
jordan holmes
Which makes me a Nazi.
But I don't want to be a Nazi.
Tell me it's okay to be a Nazi.
dan friesen
Look, you don't try to lie.
jordan holmes
See?
There we go.
dan friesen
After you just lied about this mediation thing?
jordan holmes
Well, I lied all about this mediation thing.
Okay, there's that.
dan friesen
Just turn on the second amendment.
jordan holmes
What are we doing?
dan friesen
I don't know.
He's told that story for decades.
Nonsense.
So, look, I think that this is really at the heart of all of this.
This is just what Alex wants.
alex jones
All I want is open a big tent up to Christians, Muslims, Jews, agnostics, Catholics, Buddhists, Hindus.
Just let's be anti-New World Order.
Let's be anti-CBDC.
You get my thing as I'm just trying to say these are the policies I'm against.
I'm not going to list a group to it.
Sure, there's groups behind it.
You get where I'm coming from?
nick fuentes
I absolutely get where you're coming from on that.
dan friesen
Yeah, I get where you're coming from.
Just say globalist.
jordan holmes
We didn't need to do this whole thing.
dan friesen
Alex is just begging him almost, like, come on, code.
Use code.
That's all that you need to do.
jordan holmes
I was!
You're the one who stopped!
I was using code!
I did the thing!
I said globalist!
dan friesen
But I think that Alex forced the issue probably because he knew that Nick would at some point.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, he knew that Nick is not going to play ball forever.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
And so he was trying to get ahead of whatever Nick would end up doing.
jordan holmes
Which is, once again, turning Alex into a place where he goes...
I'm a Nazi.
dan friesen
Just don't say groups.
Even if there are groups.
Even if there are.
Just say, pretend it's about issues.
Don't say a group.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
This is, it's a shameful demonstration of Alex's inept abilities to try and coach a Nazi.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Yep.
alex jones
Anyway.
jordan holmes
Yeah, great stuff.
dan friesen
When are you going to settle down and have kids, Nick?
jordan holmes
That's a good question, Nick.
You're a Catholic lunatic.
alex jones
When are you going to get a lovely lady and start having kids?
jordan holmes
You're supposed to have eight kids by now.
alex jones
It's the best thing ever, brother.
You're a good-looking guy.
Come on, you ain't got some girl you're getting ready to marry?
nick fuentes
I'm gonna get serious soon.
You know, I'm just, I'm really focused on what I'm doing.
And, you know, me, when you were my age, you were a Chad.
You were in the gym.
You were muscular.
I'm kind of like a little autistic.
I have a little more trouble.
I mean, you're like the boomer dad.
I'm like the autistic Zoomer kid.
It's a generational thing.
alex jones
Nick, I'm sure you could get a lot of girls, my friend.
I wouldn't get yourself down there.
nick fuentes
One of these days.
One of these days, I'm going to start a big Catholic family.
And, you know, all our kids will be hanging out, fighting the New World Order.
alex jones
You know, the Godfather, he says, he's spending time with your family.
And he says, yeah, because a man's not a man unless he spends time with his family.
I'm telling you, it's the best thing ever, Nick.
dan friesen
So this is another attempt to assert some sort of dominance.
You know, like patronizing about when you're going to have a family.
And Nick isn't even affected by that.
Because Alex is trying to embody the exact thing that Nick...
Makes a joke about.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Is that you're the boomer dad, I'm the zoomer son.
And, like, you can't own that dynamic if Nick is comfortable with it and joking about it.
And so Alex's attempt at asserting some kind of fatherly thing here falls apart.
It's just, he doesn't have the tools to do what he wants to do with Nick.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that's...
jordan holmes
I mean, he never did.
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
And he just, it is, he can't...
What would it be?
That narcissism gift of being able to think that regardless of any and all available facts, you are the most important person available in this room at all times.
But that also is a curse because no matter how often this happens, Alex will eventually get to the point where he's like, okay, I can do it this time.
Let's have Nick on.
I'm going to get him to do this stuff.
unidentified
I'm going to debate David Duke.
jordan holmes
I'm going to do the whole thing.
I'm going to do it this time.
I swear to God.
And then he's going to do it again.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Well, I mean, there's no real consequences that he ends up seeing.
Like, obviously, there are audience members of his, and you can see remnants of this in message boards and comment sections, where they're like, oh my God, this guy, who everyone told me is a Nazi, is making a lot of great points.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And you know, like...
There is a radicalization by degree of the audience that happens because of these failures of hubris.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, Alex just said, yeah, I'm mostly a Nazi.
I mean, as close as you can get to saying, I'm an out-and-out Nazi without being like, segregation now, segregation forever.
dan friesen
But Alex doesn't actually see any concrete effect of this.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
Other than, periodically, Nick will say some...
Wild shit about him.
Make some jab about how he's milquetoast and stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it feels like that's the consequence that he experiences.
dan friesen
And that's what he's pushing back on.
jordan holmes
Yeah, his consequence is a YouTube comment saying, you're not as cool as you used to be, man.
dan friesen
Yeah, and this show is just Twitter now.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
That's where we are.
jordan holmes
Hey, what are we going to do?
dan friesen
So Nick has a thought that he wants to get to, although we are very close to the end of the show.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
It opens all this archetypal energy.
Is what I'm trying to say.
And I want to see you when you're a father.
Because that is going to be the next level.
Alright, we've got five minutes left.
You've got the floor.
I've been interrupting.
Nick Foyntes, what else is on your radar?
unidentified
Well...
nick fuentes
I guess the big thing that's on my radar, not to open up a whole new can of worms or anything, but I'm really looking at this vice presidential race.
alex jones
Oh yeah, you mentioned Trump, and we'll do it a little bit in the next hour.
They've got to go, you've got a big secret mission.
But yeah, talk about the presidential race.
dan friesen
There is no next hour.
They're in the fourth hour.
They've already done the fourth hour.
We have no time to hang over and to talk about the VP race, because we've had to do all this nonsense.
jordan holmes
I appreciate Alex's viewpoint on this, which is there is nothing more boring.
I agree with wholeheartedly.
dan friesen
I was interested what his thoughts on what the VP should be.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah?
dan friesen
Well, I mean, just sort of out of curiosity.
unidentified
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
I mean, like, Alex would be like, let's talk about all this stuff, not like...
A VP who cares?
dan friesen
I want to talk to you about how great it is to be a father.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
I don't want to talk about the VP.
jordan holmes
I don't want to talk about a VP.
Who cares?
The last one we had, we were like, let's hang him.
Who cares about the VP?
dan friesen
Hey, I have prophetic dreams.
Can we talk about that?
No, I want to talk about the VP.
jordan holmes
Why don't I talk about the VP?
dan friesen
I was interested just from a sort of trivia perspective where Nick's head was.
I don't know who he wants, but we learned someone he doesn't want.
nick fuentes
But, you know, Trump is—I love Trump, but he's getting up there in age, and I think that he's a delegator.
He's a businessman.
In the last administration, unfortunately, he delegated a lot to Jared Kushner.
In this administration, I think he'll be delegating a lot to the vice president.
All signs point to this Senator J.D. Vance from Ohio, and I gotta be—just like you and me, we're the first ones to call out the Red Mirage in 2020.
Once again, we're gonna break it on InfoWars.
I feel like the big— The thing that I'm worried about, to kind of call it out, is J.D. Vance becoming the VP.
This guy's bad news.
dan friesen
Yep, J.D. Vance is bad news.
jordan holmes
Has anybody ever milked one book more than this motherfucker?
dan friesen
I think, yeah.
I mean, he's done quite well with it.
That's not my sense of who is top of the list.
jordan holmes
I have no idea.
dan friesen
There was a feeling of this that was like...
Nick brings up, I want to talk about the VP race.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I thought there was going to be something that was actually interesting, and then it's like, I don't like J.D. Vance.
jordan holmes
That's weird.
dan friesen
Okay.
That's weird.
It's kind of...
Anticlimactic.
jordan holmes
Yeah, because the last time I talked about the VP, or the last time I read about it was like, in her book, murdered her dog because she was annoyed.
dan friesen
Kristi Noem falling out of the contention.
jordan holmes
That's the type of VP conversation I was expecting.
dan friesen
Ann Coulter telling Vivek that you'd never vote for him because he's Indian.
jordan holmes
Totally.
Boom.
That's what VP we're talking about here.
Not this J.D. Vance.
I don't want J.D. Vance.
Fine!
dan friesen
Yeah.
I feel like that's a...
Sort of common perspective.
Maybe J.D. Vance is higher up on the list than I think, but I don't know.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
I just, I don't understand.
See, this is the thing about learning.
And I get what they think.
Because they probably think they can.
Right?
But your last vice president, on his last day...
You were like, let's hang this guy.
You don't care about your vice president.
dan friesen
Not necessarily.
jordan holmes
Because if the vice president does something, you like that vice president now.
Yes.
Ah, this will be a good vice president later, you think.
But what if that vice president does something you don't like later?
dan friesen
They're going to have to hang him.
jordan holmes
You're going to be like, hey, let's hang him.
So who cares?
Who cares who it is?
dan friesen
Well, there's a flip side of this double-edged sword.
And that is, if you like him too much, you'll want to hang Trump so he can become president.
jordan holmes
That's the idea of having...
Make a dictator, you idiots!
You're the fucking Sith!
dan friesen
Well, he loves Revenge of the Sith.
jordan holmes
Exactly!
dan friesen
Anyway, what a trash episode.
jordan holmes
This sucked.
That's bad stuff.
dan friesen
Roger Stone, Andrew Wakefield, Nick Fuentes.
What a pile of shit.
Just garbage.
jordan holmes
Allowed to be famous and shit.
Oh my god.
dan friesen
Weird.
Anyway, I think that Alex's intentions were poorly executed for whatever he was trying to do.
And maybe one day he'll learn, probably not.
jordan holmes
Doubtful.
dan friesen
There are only a few ways to do that, and dreams seem to be where he's at.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, prophetic dreams.
I doubt he's going to a lot of graduate-level courses in those prophetic dreams.
Probably, probably not.
dan friesen
So we'll be back with another episode, possibly...
I don't know how to tease.
jordan holmes
You don't know how to tease?
You don't know how to hype?
dan friesen
We were made for hyping.
Possibly.
Pulsibly.
jordan holmes
Probably a trade...
Nope, no, I got nothing for that.
dan friesen
We'll be back.
Anyway, we have a website.
jordan holmes
Yep, it's nowstride.com.
dan friesen
Yep, we're also not on social media.
jordan holmes
Nope, no social media.
dan friesen
We'll be back, but until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Gark.
I am the Mysterious Professor.
unidentified
Woo, yeah, woo, yeah, woo!
steve quayle
And now here comes the sex robot.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your work.
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