Doing Dune: Dune (1984)
Due to public demand, the time has come for Jordan to walk Dan through one of his big fandoms and one of Dan's great blindspots: Dune. In this installment, they discuss the somewhat confusing David Lynch film.
May 13, 2024 - Knowledge Fight
01:11:40
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Dune. | |
| Dune. | ||
| Remix. | ||
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Knowledge fight. | |
| Dan and Jordan, I am sweating. | ||
| Knowledgefight.com. | ||
| It's time to pray. | ||
| I have great respect for Knowledge Fight. | ||
| Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys. | ||
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Knowledge Fight. | |
| Dan and George. | ||
| Knowledge Fight. | ||
| Need money. | ||
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Andy in Kansas. | |
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
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Andy in Kansas. | |
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
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It's time to pray. | |
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding me. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your world. | ||
|
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Knowledge Fight. | |
| KnowledgeFight.com I love you. | ||
| Everyone, welcome to a brand new show that we're doing. | ||
| Mini-series. | ||
| As you can tell from the remix up top. | ||
| I realized as soon as the music started that we should have prepared in some way to have a special theme or something, but we just didn't plan ahead at all. | ||
| You know, I think improv is a loose form of art. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| To some. | ||
| Just yell Dune. | ||
| So, that is what we're doing. | ||
| We're doing Dune with Dan! | ||
| Doing Dune. | ||
| That's the plan. | ||
| I'm going to try not to rhyme any further. | ||
| No, I encourage it. | ||
| So, I don't know why, but people have, for quite a while, kind of insisted that we talk about Dune. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Beyond, I suppose, you know, Alex's... | ||
| I think it's almost like a connection that Alex and I have on like an evil... | ||
| Hero-villain kind of scale, you know? | ||
| It's just a passion for Frank Herbert. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| It's like a spectrum, you know? | ||
| Like, I'm on the chaotic good. | ||
| He's a chaotic evil, I guess. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It is definitely something that the U2 share and I have an entire blind spot for. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I know that I read Dune when I was young, but I didn't get it, and I don't remember it. | ||
| I didn't retain any of it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I've never seen the movies. | ||
| Just kind of, as I mentioned to you, I just picture desert and I just check out. | ||
| And my brain's like, fuck no. | ||
| You don't do Ben-Hur? | ||
| No, I don't want a desert. | ||
| It's too dry. | ||
| I don't like it. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah, I think that's one of the interesting things about this is that... | ||
| There's almost a conversation that happens over your head sometimes whenever it's like, I think I know Alex is referencing Dune. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| And you don't. | ||
| Definitely. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There's a lot of sci-fi context that I end up missing and just sort of taking it as like, this guy's being a weirdo. | ||
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Right. | |
| Like, oh no, he just thinks he's living inside some sci-fi book that he read as a kid. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| So, we're going to rectify that. | ||
| It's a problem that needs something. | ||
| Something. | ||
| At the very least, what we wound up doing right now is we watched David Lynch's Dune. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Thus, we are doing David's Dune with Dan. | ||
| I almost got donuts. | ||
| I wish you had. | ||
| Honestly. | ||
| I think the best place to start, because we can't really take it as a whole, right? | ||
| As you kind of pointed out, you had a first half of a movie where you kind of knew what was going on. | ||
| Well, you're getting ahead of yourself a little bit. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, we watched Dune. | ||
| We watched Dune. | ||
| Okay, maybe we caught up. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I mean, there's really no way to kind of give a synopsis of Dune, especially with David Lynch's version, because, you know, it's like half of the movie. | ||
| So I was kind of thinking, what is your reaction to the first half of the movie, just overall? | ||
| Not the second half? | ||
| Not the second half. | ||
| Leave the second half into the... | ||
| Let's not get ahead of ourselves. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Nonsense. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| If I'm looking at it just from the standpoint of a movie, I would leave that not knowing what the fuck I'd just seen. | ||
| I think there's the bare bones of a story that are being told, but poorly. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Leaving out clearly a lot of connective tissue in detail. | ||
| There's the demand that the audience do a lot of work. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| So I found that to be unpleasant. | ||
| But... | ||
| I do think that if I was a teen and I was smoking a lot of weed or something like that, it might blow my mind. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Especially, it looked like shit, but it's from 1984. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| If you were in the 80s, it'd probably look great. | ||
| It'd look amazing. | ||
| That scene where Kyle MacLachlan and Patrick Stewart are fighting at the beginning with the shields looked like trash. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| But back then, I'd be like, holy shit, I can't believe they were able to do this. | ||
|
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Totally. | |
| I can't believe they put Patrick Stewart in squares. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| The first half of the movie, I'm assuming, is like, you're making the cutoff point when Paul gets to Arrakis. | ||
| Or when he crash lands. | ||
| Yes, after his dad dies. | ||
| So that's the point where we've got our first half of the movie, where we begin by establishing that shit's up. | ||
| Because, and this is a weird part that, again, David Lynch kind of makes this, as we talked about while we were watching it, he kind of rearranges the book and rearranges the story, and then if you don't understand what's going on, he tries to explain it. | ||
| I don't know about that. | ||
| Through voiceover. | ||
| Sort of. | ||
| As if they're in their heads, right? | ||
| Now that, of course, makes it even more confusing. | ||
| But it opens with the Emperor Shaddam. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Meeting one of the tube guys. | ||
| I don't know if that name is ever said. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| In the movie. | ||
| I just knew. | ||
| Ah, powerful guy. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Super excited power guy. | ||
| I guess they did say that he was the emperor, so that is fine. | ||
| But to me, he didn't have a name. | ||
| And then he's meeting with some dude who's a worm thing, but he's not a worm. | ||
| No. | ||
| He's just some kind of a weird alien thing in a case that you don't explain. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And he's very powerful. | ||
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Yes. | |
| This worm, but not worm, has power over the emperor. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And he's surrounded by a bunch of weirdos in goth outfits. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| One of whom I noticed when the tube guy leaves, one of the guys starts vacuuming up behind him. | ||
| Just one of the guys, one of the goth people who are surrounding this alien in a tank has a vacuum. | ||
| Yeah, the picture is this giant aquarium, right? | ||
| A giant aquarium. | ||
| I would say so. | ||
| Filled with, you know, later on we find out it's spice gas. | ||
| We don't. | ||
| You know that. | ||
| I do know that. | ||
| You know that from context. | ||
| We don't know that from the movie. | ||
| You'll never know that. | ||
| No. | ||
| Nope, not even close. | ||
| But it's gigantic. | ||
| It's like at least eight people across standing. | ||
| You know, arm to arm, like that. | ||
| And then 20 people long. | ||
| And as they're moving out, the entire part is like leaking juice. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And there's one guy on the edge who's kind of like vacuuming it up. | ||
| But then there's seven guys worth of juice that they're just letting go. | ||
| Yeah, and only one vacuum. | ||
| It's absolutely not doing anything. | ||
| No! | ||
| It's almost like... | ||
| In the moment, my thought was it was an actor's choice. | ||
| And it was a background extra who was trying to stand out. | ||
| Or second, it's passive-aggressive in terms of the story. | ||
| They're like, we're going to leave a mess, but we're going to pretend we're trying to do something. | ||
| That's how much of a flex it is. | ||
| That's a power move on the Emperor. | ||
| I can see that. | ||
| None of this has anything to do with the story, but these were the thoughts that were going through my head because I don't know who this fucking tank dude is. | ||
| I don't know what's going on. | ||
| So he's like, oh no, you gotta kill... | ||
| Paul Atreides. | ||
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Yes! | |
| There we go. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The movie begins. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So the weirdo in the tank is like, kill Paul. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The reason that this whole scene is happening, alright, is the Emperor is explaining the plot of the movie. | ||
| There's a conspiracy afoot. | ||
| Straight up, he just... | ||
| Out and out says it. | ||
| They were like, let's dispense with any kind of, you know, we'll just go out and say it. | ||
| I am planning on sending this guy here to betray this guy. | ||
| Then that guy's going to die. | ||
| Now we're going. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Now, to spoil a little bit. | ||
| I mean, he spoils the movie. | ||
| Well, but about how things play out. | ||
| Right. | ||
| My sense of it from the beginning was, aha. | ||
| I will. | ||
| So there's this Arrakis planet, Spice on there. | ||
| There's a big market for Spice. | ||
| Doing the thing. | ||
| A lot of money. | ||
| Everybody wants it. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I don't understand it. | ||
| I tried to explain it. | ||
| Doesn't make sense. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| So, anyway, he, Baron Harkonnen, this family, they have control of Arrakis. | ||
| Currently. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So, the Emperor is going to put the Atreides family in charge of it, but then betray them and have Baron Harkonnen come in and take back over. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I get that. | ||
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Right. | |
| But my perception of it was... | ||
| 20 years from now, Baron Harkonnen will take back over. | ||
| It'll be some kind of a long con. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That is the way that the movie made it feel. | ||
| Not like I'm setting a trap for this person. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| It does feel like they are building a much more subterfuge-based plan as opposed to just being like, hey, he's going to land. | ||
| Boom. | ||
| Dead. | ||
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We're gonna fuck him up. | |
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's the trick. | ||
| He's gonna take a shit someday and then we get him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It did. | ||
| It did. | ||
| It seemed like if this was the whole plan. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You could have just killed the guy, right? | ||
| I mean, like, you didn't need to go through all of this nonsense in order to, like, kill this family. | ||
| Right! | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| So that's where the book comes in. | ||
| I imagine. | ||
| You have to go through all this nonsense to kill a family. | ||
| And he spends a lot of time explaining it. | ||
| So I'm guessing something that's missing from this is that it would set off some kind of allegiances and alliances and all kinds of things if the Emperor were to. | ||
| To kill the Atreides. | ||
| So you have to put it there to make it look like maybe something had gone wrong with the Fremen or something like that. | ||
| Something like that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You have to false flag it somehow. | ||
| I love that it took you about five seconds and a little bit of thought to get basically the idea. | ||
| Well, I mean, I'm forced to. | ||
| Right, right, because you couldn't have gotten it from the movie. | ||
| No. | ||
| No, but that was a good guess. | ||
| Thanks. | ||
| Yeah, so to flesh out the... | ||
| That actually brings me to my first note. | ||
| Excellent. | ||
| I was taking notes. | ||
| Don't film this movie. | ||
| Well, that's just sort of behind all of it. | ||
| That is that spice is one letter away from space. | ||
| And then I wrote coincidence? | ||
| That is, I think, are you referencing Dan Brown? | ||
| Never mind. | ||
| I think it's interesting that the name of the thing is so close to space. | ||
| I feel like we need to keep that somewhere, wait 40 years, and then there'll be a National Treasure movie with that as a clue in it. | ||
| You know, space and spice. | ||
| There's only one letter away. | ||
| Which one do you choose? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I mean, I had a feeling I wrote that note. | ||
| And then a little bit after that, There was the voiceover of Paul's thoughts, and he's like... | ||
| Is the worm and spice connected? | ||
| I feel like he and I are working on the same level, putting connections together. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| You're just putting things together. | ||
| That's, again, basically the place. | ||
| Spice is in space. | ||
| So, yeah. | ||
| So the political thing, to flesh this out, right? | ||
| The emperor has a nominal power, and then there are the great houses, which are, you know, all of this is essentially based on the Greek Iliad kind of family structure thing, you know? | ||
| And then you have the guild, which are the humans who are mutated into... | ||
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The vacuum guy. | |
| Yeah, the vacuum guy. | ||
| They are what allows people to travel through space. | ||
| And because they exist within a spice gas, it turns them into that, and it gives them the ability to travel through space. | ||
| How does that help any... | ||
| Like, if I were hanging out with one of these tank people, they could help me travel through space? | ||
| With a spaceship, you know. | ||
| So if they were in my spaceship, they could travel my spaceship through space. | ||
| They could fold time and space. | ||
| As long as it has a Holzman generator. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| But, you know, they can see the future. | ||
| That's the idea. | ||
| There's a lot of powers going on. | ||
| A lot of powers. | ||
| That don't really make sense and aren't delineated at all. | ||
| Well... | ||
| The basic idea is you have to be able to see the future in order to travel through space when you're not going at the speed of light, right? | ||
| Because if you're traveling through space and folding space, you don't know what's going to be there unless you know what's going to be there. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| Does it? | ||
| Sort of. | ||
| Yeah, close enough. | ||
| At least in terms of an idea, it makes sense. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So you've got the great houses, you've got the guild, you've got the emperor, and then you've got the Lonsrod, which is like the... | ||
| Yeah, they're the economic council, essentially. | ||
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Who? | |
| Yeah, the Chamber of Commerce. | ||
| Are they in the movie? | ||
| No. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But all of these things put together mean that if you do stuff in a direct way, everybody has to attack the Emperor. | ||
| That's the check on their power. | ||
| So in order for the Emperor to check the Atreides, he has to go through the Atreides' mortal enemy, the Harkonnens. | ||
| And that makes it look like it's just a regular-ass feud and not the Emperor murdering and ending the house. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because if he just went out and killed everybody, then the rest of the houses would have to be like, hey, fuck you! | ||
| You know, like that. | ||
| Okay. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| So there's the politics. | ||
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Cool. | |
| That happened in the first scene that is not explained anywhere. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I was distracted by the guy with the vacuum. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So yeah. | ||
| I mean, it started off with a plot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So then we get to Paul. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How do you feel about the McLaughlin group? | ||
| The person? | ||
| Kyle McClellan, yeah. | ||
| I'm warm to him generally, I guess. | ||
| You're a Twin Peaks fan. | ||
| I like the first season of Twin Peaks. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Second season's all right. | ||
| But I never watched the new one, the reboot or whatever. | ||
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Sure. | |
| I think people have mentioned that. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| Here's the problem. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I've probably seen him in a number of things. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| But I don't know. | ||
| I don't have a negative feeling about him. | ||
| I will say he was sweaty as hell. | ||
| Not like metaphorically in terms of like trying too hard. | ||
| He was just sweaty. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I noticed. | ||
| I noticed this. | ||
| I know he's going to a desert planet later. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| He's already sweaty as shit. | ||
| He's sweaty in advance. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I'm worried for his like internal body temperature regulation. | ||
| Like he is just like laying inside in House Atreides sweating his ass off. | ||
| This doesn't bode well. | ||
| Yeah, every time he has a vision, he gets real sweaty. | ||
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So sweaty. | |
| Yeah, that's David Lynch's way of letting you know. | ||
| This is a stressful vision. | ||
| This isn't like a regular-ass dream. | ||
| He's a young man. | ||
| I wouldn't say his delivery of lines is good. | ||
| It's his first movie. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Can you believe that? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's not terrible. | ||
| I mean, I couldn't do better. | ||
| I'm not a good actor. | ||
| Yeah, no, I thought he was fine. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| Put upon heir to a family house, and then there's these weird witches who have been trying to breed him and prophesy him. | ||
| It's a lot of stress. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| A lot of stress. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| So the bald lady, that's the Bene Gesserit mother. | ||
| Right. | ||
| All right? | ||
| She's the head Bene Gesserit. | ||
| And there's sort of an implication that there's a lot of them, but you only see one. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They're everywhere. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But you only see one. | ||
| They are, in essence, the secret society that runs everything. | ||
| Well, here's my problem with that. | ||
| They stick out. | ||
| A little bit! | ||
| If you're a secret society, I could pick that Bene Gesserit out of a crowd. | ||
| It does feel a little opulent for a secret society. | ||
| If you're trying to be a secret society and everybody is keenly aware of who you are based on... | ||
| You being bald and wearing ridiculous outfits. | ||
| I think you're fucking up the secrecy part. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Not only that, but it's widely known. | ||
| That their abilities are to tell you what to do and you have to do it. | ||
| They have like a... | ||
| The voice. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah, so the voice... | ||
| I did notice that happened a couple times. | ||
| Yeah, like that. | ||
| So the voice is the way they can control people. | ||
| So let me just... | ||
| So I'm keeping this in line. | ||
| We've got the tank people who can fold space and also can see the future. | ||
| Yeah, spice. | ||
| That allows them to do that. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But, I mean, spice allows everybody to do everything. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Right, which is the problem. | ||
| That is the problem. | ||
| So you've got the Bene Gesserit ladies who can tell you what to do. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Need spice. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So these are the powers we have so far. | ||
| You got it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But the worm, not worm, tank people, can't tell you what to do. | ||
| No. | ||
| And the Bene Gesserit can't fold space. | ||
| Right. | ||
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Cool. | |
| Yeah. | ||
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But... | |
| If you piss off any one of them, then say you piss off the worm people, right? | ||
| Not worms. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| They can just be like, well, we're never flying anybody to your planet again. | ||
| So they effectively can isolate you and end your connection to the entire universe, right? | ||
| So no inner space travel is possible except them? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And them? | ||
| Not without the spice, and so on and so on and so on. | ||
| So again, the spice is everything. | ||
| Well, this makes more sense now. | ||
| This makes sense that this is why the spice is important, because it mutates people into being able to travel between planets. | ||
| Yeah, that's pretty important, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Like, imagine only one, you know, one country has planes. | ||
| You know, it's like, well, they're gonna have the ability to tell everybody what to do if you want to fly. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, it gets sort of like gasoline. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Except it also gives superpowers and hallucinations. | ||
| But I guess, I mean, if you sniff enough gas... | ||
| Put your head in a big tank of ice, you'll probably see some stuff. | ||
| I had not considered that he had not only based this on oil, but also sniffed a lot of oil as a way of... | ||
| That's entirely possible. | ||
| It was a different time. | ||
| Back then, you had to get your kicks. | ||
| Oh, the 60s. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A lot of people experimenting with new ways to catch a buzz. | ||
| I want to say that that's silly, but I also want to say I remember a lot of books from the 60s that were like, we huffed everything. | ||
| So, yeah. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Speaking of huffing, the spice is a drug. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Except it looked like the only time I saw anybody take it was when Paul took it and it was just like in a little pellet. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Like a little chew. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| It was in the space food. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Always great to see space food in a little pellet form. | ||
| Made me very excited for the future. | ||
| Nobody really eats. | ||
| I'm fine with that. | ||
| Yeah, that's fair. | ||
| Those days will be great once we have food pellets. | ||
| I'm not against it. | ||
| But yeah, so the spice. | ||
| Because Paul is genetically bred, essentially, when he takes the spice, He becomes able to see the future. | ||
| But he seemed to have already been doing that. | ||
| Kinda. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because if you can see the future, you can also see the past. | ||
| Don't worry about it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But he didn't need the spice to do that. | ||
| He just seemed to do a bit more of it once he took it. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The spice, I mean... | ||
| Sort of an amplifier. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So that leads me to think that these people who turn into the tank people could probably travel through space without the spice. | ||
| They don't need that shit. | ||
| It's just amplifying this. | ||
| Or maybe they could make it halfway. | ||
| That's kind of more the idea. | ||
| I mean, honestly, it is more like they have, you know, when they're kids, they show the signs of the force. | ||
| But then you gotta still cram them full of spice. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, and turn them into weird monsters. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So... | ||
| There's something else that we haven't even brought up in the beginning of this. | ||
| And that is, when you got Paul in the room at the beginning, before the Weird Shield fight, comes in to the room. | ||
| We got a trio of people. | ||
| We got Patrick Stewart. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| We got Dean Stockwell. | ||
| We got the Stockwell of Deans. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| And then you got Weirdo Computer Guy, which you had to explain to me. | ||
| What was it called? | ||
| Mentat. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All I see is a crazy looking dude with grape juice lips. | ||
| What is going on? | ||
| And they don't explain it. | ||
| It's just, what is happening? | ||
| Fine. | ||
| Eventually we find out, sort of, that they need to drink this juice in order to give them brain powers or something. | ||
| Safu juice. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And again, you were telling me this is something that they have to do from birth or something like that. | ||
| It's like an amplifier. | ||
| They're created as supercomputers because there's no computers or anything. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| That's a good way of treating that. | ||
| Here's my problem. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The eyebrows. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| They don't need that. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| Is this in the book? | ||
| The eyebrows? | ||
| I mean... | ||
| Does the juice make your eyebrows go crazy? | ||
| No, but... | ||
| Because all of the people who drank the juice had crazy eyebrows. | ||
| They did. | ||
| And everybody else didn't. | ||
| Eyebrow trimming does exist in this universe. | ||
| No, as far as I'm aware, in the books... | ||
| Thoroughly capable of trimming your own eyebrows. | ||
| So there's something, a side product of drinking the juice and becoming one of these human computers that you see through the bullshit that everyone else doesn't. | ||
| Everyone else wants short eyebrows, but you want long ones. | ||
| Yeah, because of the... | ||
| There's some kind of advantage to it. | ||
| Well, I mean, if you are that much of a supercomputer, then... | ||
| You must know that there's an aerodynamic quality to having giant eyebrows. | ||
| I would argue it's the exact opposite. | ||
| If you try and swim, it's going to give you some drag. | ||
| It's going to hold you back. | ||
| So it's more of a falling thing. | ||
| So then it's like a feather. | ||
| They just kind of... | ||
| I mean, I don't know if it would have that effect, but they're working towards it. | ||
| It seems like they're working. | ||
| If they get a little spice, boom! | ||
| Amplify that up now that everybody floats. | ||
| Spice brows. | ||
| So anyway, I was very distracted by a number of these aesthetic choices that I figured must have some reason. | ||
| Like, the lips one makes sense with the context of this juice staining your lips or whatever. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| I don't fully understand why that has anything to do with them being a brain computer, but whatever. | ||
| Eyebrows, apparently not. | ||
| There's nothing in the book? | ||
|
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Nope. | |
| Don't need eyebrows. | ||
|
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Cool. | |
| No eyebrow powers are involved in the making of Mentats. | ||
| Good, good, good stuff. | ||
| You can look like anything. | ||
| There's guys who are, later on, this guy's a warrior. | ||
| Looks just like a regular guy. | ||
| I would say trim that shit then, if I were there. | ||
| You'd look crazy. | ||
| Yeah, I think David Lynch is, one of the ways that he was trying to deal with, I guess, not being able to explain half of what he's trying to. | ||
| Is just like, give everybody a specific look. | ||
| You know, like when Patrick Stewart walks in, you can tell that Gurney Halleck is a balladeer because he just walks in carrying his gigantic guitar. | ||
| I didn't know that. | ||
| I thought, because it doesn't come back up. | ||
| Because it could have been anything. | ||
| It doesn't come back up. | ||
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Nope. | |
| And he just said, I'm packing this. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So, I did not know that he was a balladeer. | ||
| Yep, he's a balladeer, my man. | ||
| I don't even know what that means. | ||
| It means he sings songs, but also, he's a warrior. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I did get that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because he does fight. | ||
| Fights later on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So he was raised on Geedy Prime. | ||
| Tortured. | ||
| No good! | ||
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Yep. | |
| Now he joins the Atreides. | ||
| Because he hates the Harkonnens. | ||
| You got it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| In the middle, we have Dr. Yue. | ||
| Dean Stockwell. | ||
| Dean Stockwell. | ||
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From... | |
| Quantum Leap. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| He is a... | ||
| Doctor trained by the Imperium, given Imperial conditioning so that he will never break his word. | ||
| Hence the red diamond on his forehead. | ||
| Yes, exactly. | ||
| He will never betray whomever he works for, because if you're a doctor, that's like a huge point of weakness for your inner circle. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Great place to assassinate you. | ||
| Hippo laws, you know what I'm saying? | ||
| Totally, totally. | ||
| So naturally, it is both impossible and it is the plot. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| He is the traitor. | ||
| Not a lot of tension around that. | ||
| Subplot of who's the traitor? | ||
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Nope. | |
| Because pretty early on, Baron Harkonnen says, like, we got a traitor. | ||
| We got a traitor. | ||
| And then there's not a lot of, like, who could it be? | ||
| There's not a lot of intrigue. | ||
| I guess you don't have time, maybe. | ||
| A lot of story to tell. | ||
| But yeah, then it turns out to be Dr. Yui. | ||
| And when it was, I was not... | ||
| I didn't... | ||
| Feel like a... | ||
|
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I didn't feel a betrayal. | |
| It was him! | ||
| No, none of that. | ||
| No, it wasn't like a big reveal to me. | ||
| It was like, ah, that was him. | ||
| It was almost even in the movie, like Baron going, we have a traitor! | ||
| And then it cuts to him, like, stabbing you. | ||
| And you're like, yeah, he's the traitor. | ||
| It's Dr. Ewer. | ||
| I feel like there were only a few options in terms of characters that had been introduced. | ||
| Could have been. | ||
| Who was your second choice for who the traitor could have been? | ||
| Well, my thought was Duncan Idaho, but that's just because it's a name that I know. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And he didn't play any factor in the movie at all. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| So I thought, like, well, that would be a way to make him relevant in a name I'm aware of. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But no, it's not. | ||
| Yeah, and he's the coolest character that Paul... | ||
| Idle hero worships who will eventually later on turn out to be recreated over and over and over again for thousands upon thousands of years. | ||
| Reborn as a clone and then killed and then reborn as a clone over and over and over again. | ||
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Wow. | |
| What a life. | ||
| Because he's so cool. | ||
| He's too cool not to exist. | ||
| In the movie, he's just not in it. | ||
| He doesn't seem to play a big role. | ||
| Nah, he shows up and then he dies. | ||
| Just almost immediately. | ||
| Lost him. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| It's a bummer. | ||
| So then, yeah, other than him, I didn't really have a thought of who... | ||
| You know what? | ||
| What? | ||
| My brain didn't even, like, try and solve the mystery. | ||
| Like, it was just like, eh, there's a traitor. | ||
| Oh, next. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I know that the housekeeper lady warned about the traitor, too, and I was like, ah, yes, I'm reminded of this plot thread. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| The shout-out mapes. | ||
|
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Mm-hmm. | |
| What? | ||
| That's her name. | ||
| The housekeeper. | ||
| She was the Shoutout Mapes. | ||
| That was her name. | ||
|
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Cool. | |
| They called her the Shoutout Mapes. | ||
| Stop saying that. | ||
| I don't know why. | ||
| I can't not say it. | ||
| It's such an... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's a unique combination of syllables. | ||
| So wait, we may be ahead of ourselves. | ||
| Where are we in the plot? | ||
| We have just started. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Okay, so... | ||
| After we get the Paul Atreides dream scene, then we go to the Harkonnen scene where he's going like, I'm evil! | ||
| I'm gross! | ||
| And then you see the first real, this is the most evil man possible thing. | ||
| The Harkonnen. | ||
| Oh, I thought it was because he was hanging out with Sting. | ||
| Wow, there's definitely that. | ||
| How did you like the reveal of Sting as in this movie? | ||
| I think I knew it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I think, you know, there are certain things that you're aware of, but then you forget you're aware of. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And then they happen, and you're like, ah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I think that's kind of how I felt with Sting, because I think I knew he was in this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then it didn't really surprise me that much, and I thought, look at that guy. | ||
| He's young. | ||
| That was, when, so 84. In Sting's discography. | ||
| In Sting years. | ||
| What had he just done? | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| I mean, the police existed. | ||
| I think he had just left the police. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| Just quit the force. | ||
| I want to say it was either that or I'm making that up. | ||
| But I feel like that was... | ||
| Fuck y 'all, I'm going solo. | ||
| Man, I want to say that was... | ||
| Fuck me. | ||
| I thought he was fine. | ||
| Didn't factor all that much into the story, I guess, until he has a duel with Paul at the end. | ||
| I will kill him! | ||
| Right. | ||
| Also doesn't deliver... | ||
| But the way he walks out in the introduction... | ||
| Cocky. | ||
| I mean, the man is wearing nothing but a codpiece emerging from a steam bath. | ||
| True. | ||
| You've got no opinion on Sting just being like, that's how I'm doing this. | ||
| He looks good. | ||
| He looks young. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I'm used to him as kind of a more old man. | ||
| So it was interesting. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| I don't know anything about this character. | ||
| Just a guy coming out of a steam bath. | ||
| All right. | ||
| But to your point about the heart plugs. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Great idea for a dictator. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If you have a somewhat limited population. | ||
| I don't know if that works at scale. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But since there are only about ten people that we see around him, it makes sense to have heart plugs on all of them. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it is based upon the number of people whose heart plugs he just rips out all the time. | ||
| Probably wise to limit the number of people around him at any given point in time. | ||
| The more there are around him, the more heart plugs he's going to pull out. | ||
| Right, and the less chance you have of being successful when you attempt to pull out someone's heart plug. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| So I've pulled up Sting's discography. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So we had... | ||
| 1984... | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| Okay, hold on. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| I think this is only his solo discography. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| It's a bit limited. | ||
| Oh, Dream of the Blue Turtles. | ||
| That album comes out in 1985. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| That was his first solo album. | ||
| So, yeah, it looks like it was just when he had gone solo. | ||
| Yeah, I think that was right around the time. | ||
| Yeah, every breath you take with the police was 83. Wow. | ||
| He's on top of the world. | ||
| He is literally on top of the world. | ||
| He's about to star in a blockbuster movie, one of the biggest sci-fi movies. | ||
| To date, the biggest budget that you can have. | ||
| In the few years leading up to this, he has had number one hits with the police, with Don't Stand So Close To Me, Every Little Thing She Does Is Magic, and Every Breath You Take. | ||
| Huge. | ||
|
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Huge. | |
| Worldwide global superstar. | ||
| Big git to be in this movie at this point. | ||
|
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Yep. | |
| Crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
|
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Crazy. | |
| Emerges with a codpiece from his team. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I think the Baron is great. | ||
| I really, really like the portrayal of him as this screaming weirdo. | ||
| Disgusting Grosso. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think in the new movies, the Denis Villanueva movies, it's a Skarsgård. | ||
| Which I haven't seen. | ||
| No. | ||
| We might do those. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's a Skarsgård. | ||
| He's great. | ||
| He's very menacing, and he's terrifying, and he does the Skarsgård thing, right? | ||
| But this guy... | ||
| Is more nuts. | ||
| He's more like pure, absolute, insane nuts. | ||
| Just bouncing off the walls. | ||
| It's a little over the top. | ||
| But I mean, I guess that's kind of what you gotta do when you're this kind of a character, and you're grotesque, and you're evil, and you float for some reason. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Do you think that might be tough to play down the middle? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Might be a little tough to be understated in that kind of a role. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's fine. | ||
| You're supposed to not like him, so I didn't like him. | ||
| We're going to put you in the blueberry suit from Willy Wonka and expect you to be the heavy of this movie. | ||
| It's tough. | ||
| It's tough to do. | ||
| I did not take many notes. | ||
| I'm looking over my notes here. | ||
| You want to hear some of my notes? | ||
| Yeah, let's do it. | ||
| This movie killed Toto. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| We haven't even talked about Toto. | ||
| Toto doing the soundtrack. | ||
| Toto and Sting, both at the top of their game at this exact moment. | ||
| Some of the stuff we've already covered. | ||
| A lot of crazy eyebrows. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Paul's so sweaty. | ||
| Paul's very sweaty. | ||
| I noted that in Atreides' house, it's still hardwood. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Hardwood still in style. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| Do you know what's crazy? | ||
| What's that? | ||
| That's a water planet. | ||
| So they have treated this wood so well that it survives a water planet. | ||
| That seems like the wrong choice. | ||
| Yeah, totally. | ||
| Caladan? | ||
| Yeah, crazy. | ||
| The last note I took before I stopped taking notes. | ||
| So this should give you an indication of how early I stopped taking notes. | ||
| Paul's mom's hair looks like dove chocolate. | ||
| That's a good way of describing it. | ||
| It's like a heart made of dove chocolate. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Until it didn't. | ||
| So yeah, Paul's mom. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| She's a Bene Gesserit. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| Did you get that? | ||
| But she's not bald. | ||
| But she's not bald. | ||
| Because her hair looks like Dove Chocolate. | ||
| Right. | ||
| She is not yet a reverend mother whenever we meet her and Duke Leto. | ||
| Duke Leto, a great not Chris Christosopherson character. | ||
| Someone who plagued me. | ||
| I swore that I knew who this guy was. | ||
| I did not know who he was. | ||
| Juergen something or other. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| I appreciated that you brought it up and you were like, oh, he's in Das Boot. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| Like, yep, I don't think I've seen him. | ||
| Oh, he's in Twin Peaks Firewalk with me. | ||
| That's where I know him from. | ||
| Oh, wait, he played a woodsman. | ||
| Nope, don't know him from that. | ||
| No, I don't think so. | ||
| But, yeah, he was intense. | ||
| He had a quiet intensity to himself, made an impact with his role. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Good on you. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Dies almost immediately. | ||
| Sure, pretty early. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So that's the... | ||
| So wait, but before he dies, there's an attempt on Paul's life. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which I thought... | ||
| But they've already gotten to Arrakis by this point. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So they arrive at Arrakis. | ||
| They're taking over for the Harkonnens. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And there's obviously the traitor. | ||
| So someone is trying to kill him. | ||
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Right. | |
| There's sabotage devices that are too easily found, apparently, to quote the guy with the crazy eyebrows. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And so they have a fucking device that they use to try and kill Paul. | ||
| Right. | ||
| A flying syringe that makes a lot of noise. | ||
| Tons of noise. | ||
| And can only respond to movement. | ||
| It's too dark. | ||
| But it's not. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Not even a little bit. | ||
| It's a well-lit room. | ||
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Yep. | |
| I thought this was a... | ||
| Bad assassination strategy. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Terrible. | ||
| I would have gone with a different one. | ||
| It is huge. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's so big. | ||
| The hunter-seeker is supposed to be this super terrifying... | ||
| It's like a drone that murders people, but it's a needle. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And in the movie, it is, I mean, a massive dildo-sized thing. | ||
| And seems to... | ||
| Moves slowly until it doesn't. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Makes a lot of noise, so you're alerted of its presence. | ||
| And is like the T-Rex in Jurassic Park. | ||
| If you don't move, it can't see you. | ||
| Stay perfectly still. | ||
| All right. | ||
| And then the shout-out mapes open the door. | ||
|
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Who? | |
| Yep, exactly. | ||
|
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Who? | |
| The shout-out mapes. | ||
| Paul grabs it. | ||
| Super speed. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Does that whole thing. | ||
| But we haven't even talked. | ||
| About the most important aspect of this movie for David Lynch, which is the weirding way. | ||
| This comes into play more later, I think. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, it's weird. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't... | ||
| I mean, it's just yelling, right? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Why don't you lay this out? | ||
| Right. | ||
| So in the books, the weirding way is basically just how the Bene Gesserit fight. | ||
| Those words do exist. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| The Bene Gesserit are not just super powerful mental secret condition people. | ||
| They also are space ninjas. | ||
| So they can super fight on top of everything. | ||
| The Bene Gesserit are. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| The bald ladies. | ||
| You got it. | ||
| But they don't teach other people how to do this. | ||
| Jessica has not only given birth to a son when she was supposed to give birth to a daughter, but she's trained Leto's troops in the weirding way. | ||
| So now they're the strongest, best fighters in the world. | ||
| In the universe, etc. | ||
| Which she wasn't supposed to do. | ||
| She wasn't supposed to do. | ||
| Because the Emperor has the strongest super troops. | ||
| The Sardaukar. | ||
| Oh, the Sardaukar. | ||
| So that is why the Emperor wants to kill Atreides in the first place. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I didn't get that from the movie. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| So... | ||
| The Harkonnens take them out pretty easily for that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which is the next part. | ||
| The Harkonnens... | ||
| Get Sardaukar from the Emperor to help kill the Atreides. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But the Atreides should be stronger. | ||
| They just totally wiped him out because it was a sneak attack. | ||
| You don't need to have super... | ||
| I guess. | ||
| You stab people. | ||
| So, okay. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So that makes sense. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So then we get to finally Arrakis. | ||
| Then we get to Leto taking people out, looking at the spice, and we finally get to see our giant sandworms. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Max von Sydow, as one of the locals, takes people out. | ||
| Takes them out in a little tiny space hovercraft thing. | ||
| It's an ornithopter. | ||
| It's basically, in the book, it's a dragonfly-looking ship, but because that would be kind of silly, instead it's a weird square that floats. | ||
| I don't think that they were too worried about things looking silly in the movie. | ||
| I think they were warm to that. | ||
| So they're flying around. | ||
| They're going to see the spice production. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And they go and they see this one place. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And oh no, worms coming. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Oh no. | ||
| How do we know which guy is the good guy and which guy is the bad guy? | ||
| The Harkonnen, they go, ah, we just want the spice! | ||
| You can sacrifice your lives if must be. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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The good guy, Leto, goes, we must save the people! | |
| And then they proceed to save two? | ||
| Yeah, not that. | ||
| They say there's 26 people in the spice mining facility. | ||
| They have no room for all of those people. | ||
| They end up bringing two people on board and the rest of them must have gotten eaten by the big worm. | ||
| Yeah, you can fit as many as you can fit. | ||
| The worm is big. | ||
| It's very big. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It eats the whole thing. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| I mean, how do you feel about the worm? | ||
| It's kind of iconic. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| I mean, like... | ||
| Here's the thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Tell me about your worm thoughts. | ||
| This planet sucks. | ||
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Sure. | |
| You don't like deserts. | ||
| Period. | ||
| No deserts for Dan. | ||
| And then we're adding a giant worm. | ||
| A bunch of giant worms, apparently, that are going to eat you. | ||
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Yep. | |
| And wreck shit. | ||
| I don't want to be a part of this planet. | ||
| I don't care about spice. | ||
| Fuck this planet. | ||
| You say the Atreides are on a water planet? | ||
|
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Yep. | |
| Get me over there. | ||
| Yeah, they're doing great on the water planet, too. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| I don't need spice because I don't want to leave the planet. | ||
| Right. | ||
| This is fine. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So, shut it down. | ||
| I don't give a fuck. | ||
| It would be nice. | ||
| I think that they showed the worm a little early. | ||
| I had a pretty clear visual on the worm. | ||
| It wasn't really all that scary. | ||
| I thought that the ability of the worm to get stuck by rocks. | ||
| Made it a little bit less scary as a presence. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| People are able to evade them at some points. | ||
| So I don't know, but it was big. | ||
| I don't give a shit. | ||
| Yeah, I get it. | ||
| I'm more scared of a shark, probably. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's interesting. | ||
| The worm has captured the imagination of generations, including Alex goddamn Jones. | ||
| And for you, it's like, eh. | ||
| It's a shit worm. | ||
| So I understand that the worm is spice. | ||
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Sure. | |
| What does that mean? | ||
| The worm is... | ||
| Okay, so... | ||
| The life cycle of the worm, we find out in the later books, is a sand trout. | ||
| They're exactly what they look like. | ||
| Sandfish? | ||
| Yeah, they're sandfish. | ||
| Alright? | ||
| They find the spice. | ||
| Then they eat the spice because they have to kill the spice. | ||
| Then they turn into little worms. | ||
| Alright? | ||
| Then the worms grow up, come big, etc. | ||
| Then they die, melt into spice, and the cycle continues. | ||
| So the spice is dead worms. | ||
| Yeah, about that. | ||
| What's the water of life? | ||
| That is a dead baby worm. | ||
| So to get the water of life, they get the baby worm, and then they drown it. | ||
| So this is all about the worms. | ||
| All about the worms. | ||
| This whole fucking society is based on worms. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| They don't know it. | ||
| They don't know it's just worms. | ||
| It's just worms. | ||
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Right? | |
| And here's the craziest part. | ||
| It's been like that for like thousands of years. | ||
| And nobody has ever been like, hey, what's up with these worms? | ||
| I mean, they're big. | ||
| Yeah, sure. | ||
| And here's the other problem. | ||
| Yeah, what's your other problem? | ||
| They're so uncontrollable. | ||
| Except they're easily controlled. | ||
| Totally easily controlled. | ||
| Very easy to control. | ||
| Seems like over thousands of years, someone would have put the pieces together. | ||
| And been like, wait, the spice is dead worms. | ||
| Let's farm these worms. | ||
| Right. | ||
| No one does that. | ||
| No. | ||
| Because they can't. | ||
| And that is because of the Fremen. | ||
| That is the people who live in the deep desert. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The blue eyes. | ||
| Yes, with the blue eyes. | ||
| They are spice-addicted people. | ||
| They are of the desert. | ||
| And they kill anybody who tries to get close and study the worms. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I guess that makes sense. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You've solved this one. | ||
| Except you've got an entire civilization that spans a galaxy, but you're like, man, these desert people. | ||
| Can't fuck with them. | ||
| Well, they know the deserts. | ||
| They know the topography. | ||
| And they got giant worms, I guess. | ||
| But they don't. | ||
| Ah, but they do. | ||
| But they don't. | ||
| They can ride the worms. | ||
| It seemed like a big deal later when Paul rides the worm, though. | ||
| Yeah, no, they ride worms all the time. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It's just a regular thing they do. | ||
| They just love riding worms. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That didn't come through. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's not hard. | ||
| The reason that it's exciting is because they taught an outsider, Paul, how to ride the worms. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You don't teach an outsider how to ride a worm. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Because the worm is God. | ||
| See, to me, experiencing it in the context of the movie, I thought these worms are revered by the Fremen and shit. | ||
| And it was a big deal that Paul was like, I'm going to ride one. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But like, because no one ever had. | ||
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Right. | |
| Or something like that. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| You know, like in Avatar, you know, I'm going to ride this beast that no one's ridden. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| To know that they all just casually ride worms is a little bit disappointing. | ||
| It is a little bit like if God was also a Greyhound bus. | ||
| You know, like, you worship it, but also you take it to the south every, you know, every six months. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You get on the worm and you ride south. | ||
| So... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's a bummer. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The worms are fine. | ||
| The worms are fine. | ||
| But, the Fremen, alright? | ||
| They are the people who are living in the deep desert. | ||
| They are the people who have been given the religion from Bene Gesserit, if that makes sense. | ||
| They don't really talk about the whole thing as far as the cosmology behind it. | ||
| We hear in the movie, like, oh, he's the chosen one, etc. | ||
| Is he? | ||
| Prophesied. | ||
| Is he the one? | ||
| The whole thing, yeah. | ||
| Oh, they ask that a lot. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Now, the Bene Gesserit... | ||
| Have been doing this thing called the Missionaria Protectiva, where they send people out into any place they want to go. | ||
| Before they send to Bene Gesserit. | ||
| And those people kind of go throughout the population and they give them a religion. | ||
| They give them the same kind of constant religion that says, you should really be nice to the Bene Gesserit. | ||
| They're super awesome. | ||
| Take care of them, worship them, and give them everything. | ||
| And then someday there will be the Messiah. | ||
| Right? | ||
| So the religion is what they use to kind of protect themselves throughout the universe. | ||
| They can go wherever they want. | ||
| The Bene Gesserit. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But also, they are creating what we would kind of call a super being, if you will. | ||
| Because they're trying to breed the Letos. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| They're breeding these great houses. | ||
| Because, again, it's very important to know that aristocrats are the only human beings that count. | ||
| But in this case, they do have superpowers. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So it's not all just like a societal construct or whatever. | ||
| There is superpowers going on. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, I mean, they're wrong, but they're not as wrong. | ||
| No. | ||
| No. | ||
| I mean, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, you got it. | ||
| So they breed this whole thing, and their breeding program is coming down to this very last two people, the people that can't ever interbreed, the Harkonnen and the Atreides. | ||
| Jessica is the daughter of Baron Harkonnen, secretly. | ||
| They don't know about that. | ||
| She has a kid. | ||
| Why do these people have names like Jessica and Paul? | ||
| You are asking me. | ||
| It's ridiculous. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Anyway, sorry. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's Vladimir and then... | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| So, Jessica is then going to have a kid with Leto. | ||
| Leto is supposed to have a daughter, and then the daughter is supposed to have a kid with Fade Ratha, who is Baron Harkonnen's... | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Stay. | ||
| Right? | ||
| And then that kid will be the man who becomes the Kwisatz Haderach and who can see into the past and the future, etc. | ||
| Right? | ||
| He can cross space and time. | ||
| But... | ||
| Jessica falls in love with Leto. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And Leto really wants a son. | ||
| Because Leto's that kind of dude. | ||
| But that's how they were back then! | ||
| That's how they were back then! | ||
| Give me a mail air! | ||
| In the year 11,000. | ||
| That's exactly how they were! | ||
| Oh, this is in the future. | ||
| Yeah, way in the future. | ||
| I should have known. | ||
| Oh, I guess I did kind of know because you told me that they had computers and then they took over and then they had to destroy all the computers and that's why everything is sort of faux... | ||
| Old. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Sort of steampunk-esque. | ||
| Yeah, a little bit like that. | ||
| Where was I? | ||
| Yeah, so instead of giving them the daughter, Paul is born, and he is not supposed to be the guy, right? | ||
| But, turns out, he is the guy. | ||
| Or he's one of the guys. | ||
| He's a guy. | ||
| He's just a guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He has visions where he gets sweaty. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| Then he eats some food. | ||
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Yep. | |
| And has more visions. | ||
| And then decides that he's going to be called Muad'Dib. | ||
| Which apparently means the mouse on the sunset or some fucking shit. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| All right. | ||
| So. | ||
| So after this happens, all right, Lito, Paul, meet the Fremen. | ||
| We find out Lito's the good guy. | ||
| Immediately after that, we murder Lito. | ||
| Dr. Yu. | ||
| Gotta get him out of here. | ||
| We know that the good guy is dead, so we can move on. | ||
| But Dean Stockwell is only doing this partially in order to give him a tooth in order to try and kill Baron Harkonnen. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But that doesn't work. | ||
| Remember the tooth. | ||
| He remembered the tooth, but then he accidentally killed Brad Dourif instead. | ||
| Yes, he kills Piter DeVries, who is a twisted Mentat. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Crazy eyebrows! | ||
| It's a regular Mentat, but evil. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, which is weird. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I would have... | ||
| Nah, everyone cares. | ||
| Fucking eyebrows. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's hard to tell. | ||
| Like, giant eyebrows and all that would have been a marker of him being a twisted mentat. | ||
| Right, but they both have... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, they all have the eyebrows. | ||
| Yeah, so it's not a signifier. | ||
| No! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Anyway... | ||
| So yeah, the tooth, he remembers the tooth. | ||
| Yep, remembers the tooth. | ||
| Lito dies. | ||
| Kills Piter. | ||
| And then Harkonnen sends off the supposedly dead bodies of Jessica and Paul to die in the desert by a worm. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Fun. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that's about where the first movie ends. | ||
| And that's about where the first movie ends. | ||
| Yes, yeah, essentially. | ||
| So then we rush through. | ||
| A bit of political intrigue, a bit of bullshit. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| It made sense as a story being broadly told. | ||
| And that, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, and as far as like a condensing political intrigue that takes, you know, 80 pages to get through, you don't really need that in a movie so much. | ||
| And you kind of get some of the exposition, and then at the end you get Dead Leto. | ||
| So you've got like a movie. | ||
| All of that stuff is fine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The rest of it is confusing. | ||
| Now we get to the rest of it. | ||
| Well, but even the stuff that is the rest of it that was in the beginning of the movie is not well explained. | ||
| Even just on a very basic level, a guy in the tank, that's at the beginning of the movie. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| It's not well explained. | ||
| No, he's just a guy in a tank. | ||
| He seems to hold a lot of sway. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| He can tell the Emperor what to do like a dick, too. | ||
| He's even like, hey, shut up, asshole! | ||
| And they use exposition just... | ||
| Liberally. | ||
| But it doesn't help. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Inexplicably. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Now we've got Paul and Jessica in the desert. | ||
| They are... | ||
| Paul is officially overloaded with Spice. | ||
| He gets too much spice, has his vision, realizes this whole thing, and can see the future. | ||
| Well, he took spice, had more of a vision, but that was earlier. | ||
| And now they have gone on this ship, they commandeered the ship, took back over it, it crash-landed, they ran away from the worm. | ||
| Because they, ooh, he can't come onto rocks! | ||
| Right. | ||
| So they went over there, and then because he's out in the environment, he's getting overloaded with Spice, right? | ||
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Yes. | |
| Because Spice is everywhere. | ||
| Spice is everywhere. | ||
| Dead worms are everywhere. | ||
| Everywhere. | ||
| I mean, it's the desert, and it's the dead worms. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So that's what's happening. | ||
| He's having these visions. | ||
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Right. | |
| So now that he's having the Spice visions, he is actually seeing the future. | ||
| And he gets the cloudy picture of what's going to happen, finds out that he's going to be Muad'Dib. | ||
| The Mahdi. | ||
| The Lisan Al-Gaib. | ||
| Et cetera, et cetera. | ||
| A lot of names. | ||
| Yeah, all the names for whatever. | ||
| All based on a religion that the Bene Gesserit planted in advance to make it so when Paul shows up, they're all super nice to him. | ||
| And they treat him all cool. | ||
| But it seemed like they were super nice to him because his mom can kick some ass. | ||
| There's definitely that. | ||
| That seemed to be why they ended up being nice to him, the Fremen at first. | ||
| Right. | ||
| When they first meet the Fremen, Paul runs and hides, and then Jessica shows off that the Bene Gesserit are space ninjas, and then Stilgar, who's the leader of Siege Tabor, he's like, holy shit, teach us all how to do this fighting. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And that seems to be why they're nice to him, not the religious stuff. | ||
| No, not really. | ||
| But later on, when Paul becomes the guy... | ||
| Because here's the point that I would make on that front. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So when they meet the Fremen folk, and then they're like, your mom kicks ass, teach us, and you're all cool. | ||
| He's like, what is your name? | ||
| What will your name be? | ||
| And Paul is like, what is the name for a mouse in the sun? | ||
| Whatever the fuck. | ||
| And he's like, we call that Muad'Dib. | ||
| And he's like, then I will be Muad'Dib. | ||
| And there isn't a feeling of, like, holy shit. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's his name. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There isn't, like, a feeling of this is what a prophecy has been fulfilled or anything. | ||
| It's just like, that shall be your name. | ||
| Hey, that's your name. | ||
| And everybody's like, oh, okay, we're moving on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, so the prophecy is, oh boy. | ||
| Essentially, Paul is going to be the, you know, guy who leads the way, essentially. | ||
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Right? | |
| That's the translation. | ||
| And then the Muad'Dib thing, it's kind of a joke to, you know, he's a little mouse. | ||
| He's a little, he's not a real Fremen. | ||
| He's not a big guy. | ||
| He's the Muad'Dib, but... | ||
| The constellation is known as the one who lights the way kind of thing. | ||
| So it's like, oh, it's actually the sign that this is the guy. | ||
| Not everybody believes yet, but it's like, oh, that's another sign and so on and so on. | ||
| Didn't feel that way. | ||
| No, it doesn't come across. | ||
| No. | ||
| This is the part of the movie where you don't know what's going on ever. | ||
| Quite a bit. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Seems to take them over real fast. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Takes about five minutes. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Because then they have the you can yell at the obelisk scene, which is always great. | ||
| This is where you were making a point of it being a departure from the books. | ||
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Right. | |
| This sort of yell fighting. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In the books, because you have to have hand-to-hand fighting, and this is another underpinning of all of the interactions, is that because the shields... | ||
| Protect you from being shot by lasers. | ||
| Not because they protect you from being shot, but because it will turn into a nuclear explosion, killing everybody everywhere. | ||
| It only makes sense to no longer shoot people, and only wear the shields. | ||
| You either have, we only use lasers and cut everybody in half with lasers all the time, or we have shields and then we fight hand to hand. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or we yell. | ||
| Or we yell from a distance with weird little neck things going... | ||
| And then there's the whole... | ||
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It's weird. | |
| Yeah, and then there's the whole he just says his name and he's like, oh, my name is a killing word. | ||
| Yeah, it's absolutely... | ||
| Can only certain words kill? | ||
| It's not established? | ||
| No. | ||
| But, yeah, apparently. | ||
| Now it is. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So he takes over an insurgency. | ||
| Basically to kill the Harkonnens. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that works. | ||
| Yeah, so this is the part that takes a while in the books. | ||
| It lasts about two scenes in the movie. | ||
| He has an underwritten love interest. | ||
| Yep, yep. | ||
| That just shows up and then disappears. | ||
| She's really important. | ||
| Not in the movie. | ||
| Nope, not even close. | ||
| All of their buddies, the Fadekin, super important. | ||
| Not in the movie. | ||
| He runs back into Patrick Stewart. | ||
| Yeah, and then it's over. | ||
| Then we move on. | ||
| So then we get to the final climax. | ||
| And again, that is a huge chunk of the book that is all just ripped out. | ||
| It has a feeling of a lot of yada yada. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And then we get to the climax, right? | ||
| Where Paul Atreides, because he is able to end Spice. | ||
| He has got the atomics. | ||
| Each great house has ancient family atomics that are nuclear bombs, essentially. | ||
| And because he has them from being a duke, he points them at the spice fields or whatever and says to the universe, if you don't fucking deal with me, I'm going to end spice forever. | ||
| Because, and this is the big point of the whole fucking thing, this is the whole point of Frank Herbert's book, is if you can destroy something, then you are the one who is in control of it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That is said in the movie. | ||
| A lot. | ||
| It's an exploration of hydraulic despotism. | ||
| So if you are the only person who can destroy something, then you're the only person who really has control of it. | ||
| And if that's the thing that the entire universe depends on, then you are the center of the universe. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You're holding everyone hostage. | ||
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Right. | |
| So Paul is both figuratively the center of the universe. | ||
| Metaphorically, religiously, and then actually physically, literally the center of the universe. | ||
| All of this boils down to one person. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then he succeeds. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| That's kind of it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yep. | ||
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So... | |
| There you go. | ||
| End of movie. | ||
| I found it a little anticlimactic. | ||
| And then it rains. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It rains on Arrakis. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So all of that is really established in a completely different way. | ||
| It has nothing to do with him being... | ||
| The reason it rains is because the Fremen, for hundreds of years, have been collecting water in these little areas in the hopes of turning the planet back into a green place. | ||
| Right, the water of life, which is dead baby worms. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And you can't drink that? | ||
| No. | ||
| Well, you can. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| The water of life is different from the water in the sieges. | ||
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Oh, boy. | |
| The water there is... | ||
| Yeah, don't even worry about it. | ||
| Honestly, let's just bail on that part. | ||
| Let's not even worry about the sieges, because they're not in the movie. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So, I don't know. | ||
| There's not a good message, I don't think. | ||
| If you just watch the movie, and not little else, I don't know what the overarching message is, other than like, hey, the Lido's got their revenge. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| Which is kind of, like, that's the problem. | ||
| The arc of the story is essentially very normal. | ||
| It's a very normal story of, like, there's two competing houses, one is the good, one's bad, the good ones get set up by the bad, the bad kill the people, there's a betrayal, all this, da-da-da, there's the rightful heir to the good side lives, comes back, kills the bad people. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| But everything else around it is nonsense. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Like, so you have unconventional shit, like being married with... | ||
| A very conventional story, and it just doesn't meld well. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Because the unconventional shit, as you put it, is what keeps the actual story in the book that Frank Herbert is telling. | ||
| Is very unconventional. | ||
| It's not that. | ||
| See, that's the sense that I have from many things that you've talked about and my sort of cultural osmosis of Dune. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so, to me, it didn't feel like this was the story that is being told. | ||
| It felt like a... | ||
| I felt like I didn't get something. | ||
| And it must just be what isn't... | ||
| In the movie, it is in the book. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| They shoehorned the opposite of what's in the book into the movie to make it more like a movie. | ||
| Because probably it couldn't be told the other way. | ||
| Well, it changes the meaning quite a bit. | ||
| If you think about it this way, right? | ||
| You have the conventional story of the wronged... | ||
| Everybody is against me. | ||
| I go into the desert. | ||
| I have my 40 days, 40 nights tribulations. | ||
| I return and I destroy the infidels. | ||
| I do that whole thing. | ||
| I actually ride on top of God, the worm, to defeat my enemies. | ||
| Now, that's a conventional story. | ||
| But, what if instead... | ||
| You have a shadowy group of people who have orchestrated all of this political shit into one moment. | ||
| Fucked up. | ||
| And then, because they fucked up in such a very specific way, it's led to a guy who creates what seems like a righteous war. | ||
| But, because he's too good at it, he winds up killing more people than anyone anywhere. | ||
| Ever. | ||
| So the Harkonnens, you say, oh, these are evil people. | ||
| They're torturous. | ||
| They're awful. | ||
| They kill one one millionth of the death and murder and everything that Paul Atreides is responsible for. | ||
| Because, and this is the thing that is kind of the message that's very, very difficult if you don't have a larger, you know, like five book. | ||
| Yeah, sure. | ||
| It is agency. | ||
| It is responsibility. | ||
| Because Paul is the only person who can make a choice, any choice he makes is what the future will be, and he knows what it will be, right? | ||
| So in the book, when he's going south, when he's going to the siege to lead the Fremen, he doesn't want to do it, because he knows that if he chooses that future, then he kills the world. | ||
| He kills the universe. | ||
| There's nothing he can do to stop that. | ||
| He can only choose to kill himself. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Those are the only two options, right? | ||
| So in the book, he chooses, in the first book, to kill the universe. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So in what way is that the good guy? | ||
| Well, I mean, like, there is that moment where he's having a nightmare with his underwritten love interest, and he's like... | ||
| The genocide of the planet or whatever. | ||
| I have to take the water or whatever. | ||
| But it didn't seem like he was wrestling with this too much. | ||
| It didn't seem like it was resolved. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, obviously, I think as he becomes this guy who's basically carrying out an insurgency against the spice trade. | ||
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Right. | |
| He does become less of a... | ||
| Like, sympathetic character, but not to the point where it ever really fully changes in terms of presentation of the movie. | ||
| No. | ||
| No, and I mean, it is interesting insofar as you see the justification for the insurgency. | ||
| You don't just see the insurgency. | ||
| You are there, you are thinking, hey, if I got fucked over like this, I would do what Paul did. | ||
| I would be an insurgent. | ||
| That kind of thing. | ||
| There is a justified thing for me to be doing. | ||
| So, Frank Herbert gives you the justification that you want for the Messiah, right? | ||
| You want him to be wronged to then go on. | ||
| But then, if you say that he's justified, are you then saying that... | ||
| The murder of everybody is justified? | ||
| When does that stop? | ||
| Is he justified in killing the Harkonnens and then stopping? | ||
| Or is he justified in protecting himself the only way that he can, which is running the world? | ||
| Well, none of it's ethically justified, but it's justified as storytelling. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| It's justified plot-wise. | ||
| So you have to look at this. | ||
| People oftentimes give you that, like, oh, I'm sick of this messiah shit. | ||
| You know, this white dude is coming to save the world kind of thing. | ||
| This is the opposite. | ||
| This is white dude is coming to kill us all. | ||
| Right, but at the same time, that's not in the movie. | ||
| No. | ||
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No. | |
| Not at all. | ||
| So that's why when you get such a combination of, like, this is not supposed to be the story. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then he's trying to put, like, fucking tank dudes in there. | ||
| I think when I finish the movie and I sit with it for a minute, I'm left with the feeling that I don't think I know more about Dune than I did before. | ||
| I think I already knew there were worms. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I think everything that is added to my awareness is stuff that you've explained to me. | ||
| Was not in the movie or was kind of in the movie. | ||
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Right. | |
| So I don't feel more informed. | ||
| I don't feel better off. | ||
| Good. | ||
| Because, Dan, I'm going to tell you this. | ||
| There are more options for learning more about Dune. | ||
| Maybe this won't be the last episode of Dune Dune with Dan. | ||
| Do more Dune. | ||
| Maybe we'll be doing Dennis' Dune with Dan next time. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| There's a part of me that thinks, Like, this could be okay... | ||
| Oh, hold on. | ||
| Let's not go crazy. | ||
| If there was an intention for this David Lynch dude to be part of a series or something, then I could kind of see it being like, ah, it leaves you in this place where you think that you've seen this story, and then the next one subverts it entirely. | ||
| I could see something along those lines. | ||
| But I know that there isn't a second one. | ||
| There's books, you know. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But there isn't a second David Lynch movie. | ||
| Not a second David Lynch movie. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it also didn't feel like it was setting you up for another one. | ||
| It felt like a told story. | ||
| And that... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I found myself underwhelmed. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, you know, everybody likes a good Jesus brought the rain, now everybody's happy forever story. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I felt bad for Toto. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| They didn't recover? | ||
| No. | ||
| No? | ||
| No. | ||
| I guess it's debatable. | ||
| Is Sting's solo career better than his time with the police? | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| I think some people would disagree with you. | ||
| I understand those people, and I respect them, and I appreciate them, and that's fine. | ||
| They can be wrong about something, and they can still be respected. | ||
| Was that song, I dream around, yeah, yeah, that song that sings still, was that about Dune? | ||
| Years later, he's still processing being in Dune. | ||
| I think, I don't, I don't think that Dune broke up the police. | ||
| But I don't think that Dune helped the police stay together. | ||
| We don't have any evidence either way at this point. | ||
| Because Sting was in that I'm trying to be a movie star headspace, which is very difficult to be like, let's be a collaborative band headspace, you know? | ||
| That's true. | ||
| So there's a possibility that Dune destroyed Toto and the police. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Two giant bands. | ||
| Two huge bands. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And somehow David Lynch made it out okay. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In quotes. | ||
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Eh. | |
| He's had a pretty important career. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, he's had things that have worked after that. | ||
| He's told people about Transcendental Meditation. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| He has talked about that a lot. | ||
| Been on Infowars. | ||
| Yes, he has. | ||
| So here's the thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| One of the reasons to watch Dune is obviously the parallels with Alex's vision of himself. | ||
| Right. | ||
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There is a sense that he may think he is Muad'Dib. | |
| He's had a vision that God gave him when he was a child about what the future is and his place in it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Kind of quiz that's Hidaraqi. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| I didn't feel like, based on the presentation of the movie, that I got a ton of those things. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, there were little glimpses here and there, but, like, not a ton. | ||
| Of new stuff, at least. | ||
| Were there things that you were thinking of that you wanted to point out? | ||
| Well, that was actually the question that I was going to have for you, is were there any things that you didn't know Alex had cribbed from, dude? | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I mean, I'm sure there is, but I don't know about from the movie. | ||
| Right. | ||
| No, well, see, that's why I think it's a good idea to watch the Dennis movies, because they're a lot better. | ||
| It's two movies, it's spread out, and it does a much better job. | ||
| So, I think that might be the way to go. | ||
| I think we might have to. | ||
| I think. | ||
| Now, here's a question I'm going to ask you in advance. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Are there crazy eyebrows in the new ones? | ||
| I'm going to tell you this. | ||
| There are not. | ||
| I'm in. | ||
| But, in the most not way. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| There are the most not crazy eyebrows. | ||
| No one has eyebrows. | ||
| No eyebrows anywhere! | ||
| Shit. | ||
| Yeah, they removed him CGI. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| No. | ||
| Yeah, I'm in. | ||
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All right. | |
| We can watch some more Dune. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Well, then, I don't know how we would end doing Dune with Dan. | ||
| I think we've done David's Dune with Dan. | ||
| We've done David's Dune. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Done. | |
| I suppose we've got a website? | ||
| Dune done. | ||
| Yeah, we're on knowledgefight.com. | ||
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And we are not on any social media. | |
| But I'm not Neo, nor Leo, nor DZXClark. | ||
| I'm just a regular-ass professor. | ||
| You are, uh, what's another fun, who is that housekeeper? | ||
| The shutout vapes. | ||
| That's who you are. | ||
| Woo, yeah, woo, yeah, woo! | ||
| And now here comes the sex robots. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
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Thanks for holding. | |
| Hello, Alex. | ||
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. |
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